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Group: S-Trains	Message: 22713	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: Bubbling tubes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22714	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: More Christmas Layout Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22715	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Mailbags / Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22716	From: Chris Simmonds	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: tender problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22717	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Building Photo Albums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22718	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: S-Mod Graphic images
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22719	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: Re-Railers (Blatant commercial)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22720	From: skendel	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: Best looking locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22721	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22722	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Ho Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22723	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Set Box ID?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22724	From: keith kuzma	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re : rerailer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22725	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: Set Box ID?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22726	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: tender problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22727	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: Set Box ID?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22728	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: MTH coal loader questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22729	From: David	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Set Box ID?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22730	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Passionate About S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22732	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Enjoy these mules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22733	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Fwd: eBay item 1087590477 (Ends Apr-01-02 225751 PST ) - 20 MULE TE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22734	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Fwd: Google Image Result for twopenny-gallery.com-essenay-tdvmulet.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22735	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: MTH coal loader questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22736	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF SteamEngines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22737	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22738	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Great Steam Engine Web Site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22739	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Cookie Monster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22740	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Soldering doors shut (was "interior kits for sale/trade")
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22741	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Bubbling tubes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22742	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1701
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22743	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: AF Set 5625-T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22744	From: David	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22745	From: Richard Alexander	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22746	From: Richard Alexander	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22747	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22748	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22749	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22750	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1701
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22751	From: Dwight Dold	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Re; What did'ya get?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22752	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Repro Rerailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22753	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Building Photo Albums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22754	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Building Photo Albums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22755	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: 321 SIT NYC Hudson estimate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22756	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Parts Wanted...787 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22757	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Repro Rerailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22758	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: 321 SIT NYC Hudson estimate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22759	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Rerailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22760	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22761	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: AF Instruction Book.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22762	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22763	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: #23 Coal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22764	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Re; What did'ya get?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22765	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Soldering doors & Hatches shut
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22767	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22768	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: More layouts Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22769	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: AF Instruction Book.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22770	From: AF336	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: 321 SIT NYC Hudson estimate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22771	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22772	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22773	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22774	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: I've Been Working On the Railroad (washingtonpost.com)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22775	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: 321 SIT NYC Hudson estimate (eBay)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22776	From: Dayna	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: availability of new releases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22777	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: More layouts Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22778	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Lionel in general
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22779	From: AF336	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22780	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Speaking of log loaders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22781	From: G C	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Using Lionel for S-scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22782	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22783	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Using Lionel for S-scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22784	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Using Lionel for S-scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22785	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22786	From: David Engle	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Using Lionel for S-scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22787	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: More SHS blatant commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22788	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: 342 Binding on Pikemaster Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22789	From: John L.	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22790	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22791	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22792	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22793	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: MTH coal loader - again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22794	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: LTI NYC Alco Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22795	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: LTI NYC Alco Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22796	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: LTI NYC Alco Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22797	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel in general
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22798	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Shiny Steamers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22799	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22800	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: 342 Binding on Pikemaster Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22801	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22802	From: waldootten	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Problem with InternetTrains.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22803	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22804	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22805	From: waldootten	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22806	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22807	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: cleaning AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22808	From: James Tanley	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: AF Set Boxes`
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22809	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Fwd: Fw: N5-C Kickoff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22810	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22811	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22812	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Home made Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22813	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: Home made Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22814	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: Home made Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22815	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: MTH figures in AM Budd cars.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22816	From: michael prell	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: Home made Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22817	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22818	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH figures in AM Budd cars.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22819	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: We need to give these guys an award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22820	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22821	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22822	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22823	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH figures in AM Budd cars.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22824	From: aztecmfgco	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: S Track Cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22825	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Pike Planner and AF Model Railroad Handbook
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22826	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Pike Planner and AF Model Railroad Handbook
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22827	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22828	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Buying back Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22829	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22830	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22831	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1706
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22832	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22833	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: AF Service Kit Manual posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22834	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22835	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22836	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Buying back Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22837	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: N5-C Kickoff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22838	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22839	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22840	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22841	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22842	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22843	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22844	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: stealing the S-gauge market?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22845	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Too many train mags---need more space!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22846	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22847	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22848	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22849	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22850	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: K-line "O" gauge Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22851	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Lets Buy The Co.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22852	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22853	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Lets Buy The Co.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22854	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Lets Buy The Co.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22855	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22856	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22857	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Too many train mags---need more space!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22858	From: Euell Johnson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22859	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: stealing the S-gauge market?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22860	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22861	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: stealing the S-gauge market?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22862	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Too many train mags---need more space!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22863	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: stealing the S-gauge market?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22864	From: nasglibrary	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: 1952 AF Instruction Booklet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22865	From: John G	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Replacement Speaker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22866	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Stealing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22867	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Stealing??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22868	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: STEALING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22869	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: repro reproducer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22870	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: Lets Buy The Co.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22871	From: NiteOwlDJ1@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1708
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22872	From: Euell Johnson	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Let's but the Comapny
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22873	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22874	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: silly brass question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22875	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Kitbashing with aluminium
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22876	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Feedback
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22877	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: silly brass question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22878	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: S-Club!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22879	From: David Engle	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1708
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22880	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: silly brass question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22881	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: not silly at all brass question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22882	From: waldootten	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Seeking track-laying advice please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22883	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Seeking track-laying advice please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22884	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Seeking track-laying advice please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22885	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Seeking track-laying advice please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22886	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] Seeking track-laying advice please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22887	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Seeking track-laying advice please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22888	From: TCS	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Fw: new email addy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22889	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22890	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: SHS 2002 Xmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22891	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Xmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22892	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Xmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22893	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: AF Set ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22894	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1708
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22895	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Seeking track-laying advice please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22896	From: keith kuzma	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22897	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Kitbashing with aluminium
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22898	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Xmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22899	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Car Layout...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22900	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Rebuilding a Franklin smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22901	From: David	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: AF Set ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22902	From: theodore weiler	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Dallas Area Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22903	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: Set #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22904	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Train set with 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22905	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22906	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: For Sale SHS #3 remote turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22907	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: My photo album....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22908	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22909	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: Rebuilding a Franklin smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22910	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: My photo album....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22911	From: David Engle	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] Seeking track-laying advice please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22912	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Michael Christensen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22913	From: Richard Alexander	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: remote controller for 720 switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22914	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: remote controller for 720 switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22915	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: Franklin smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22916	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: remote controller for 720 switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22917	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: SWITCHES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22918	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: remote controller for 720 switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22919	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Log loader parts 787
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22920	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22921	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22922	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Scale / S Gauge / 3/16" / 1/64 Contest Dioramas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22923	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22924	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: "S" Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22925	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Track Cleaner Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22926	From: AF336	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Santa FE LTI 8551 for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22927	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Engine Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22928	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: 332AC with slipping drivers fixed!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22929	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Gilbert Catalog Online Project Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22930	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Engine Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22931	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Catalog Online Project Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22932	From: John G	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Engine Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22933	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Engine Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22934	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: 720 Switch Controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22935	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re: 720 Switch Controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22936	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re: Engine Oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22937	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re: Santa FE LTI 8551 for sale (pictures online)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22938	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re: Please get back to trains...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22939	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22940	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22941	From: eric reis	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22942	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re: remote controller for 720 switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22943	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: RUBBER REVITALISER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22944	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22945	From: tom_jarcho	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: phone line down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22946	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: NYC Passenger Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22947	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: new vehicles II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22948	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: NYC Two Car Add-On Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22949	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: To the Calif. list members....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22950	From: eddiee456	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: I'm new to the list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22951	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Re: I'm new to the list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22952	From: plotnick	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Mt. St. Helens Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22953	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Club insurance ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22954	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: first decal plea of the year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22955	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Cow on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22956	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Re: Cow on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22957	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Re: Club insurance ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22958	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Re: I'm new to the list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22959	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Re: I'm new to the list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22960	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22961	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: club insurance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22962	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1714
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22963	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1714
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22964	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: club insurance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22965	From: David	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1714
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22966	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: bolsters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22967	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Converting with SHS trucks....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22968	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22969	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: 612 station w/crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22970	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Mail Post & Track Trip built from Erector parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22971	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Any U.P. Passenger expertise?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22972	From: John Gibson	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: Club Insurance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22973	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: 612 station w/crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22974	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22975	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: Club Insurance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22976	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Chris & Beth Burger - "S" Ambassadors Par Excellence
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22977	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22978	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: RUBBER ROADBED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22979	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22980	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: LTI Diesels on DC.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22981	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: Re: LTI Diesels on DC.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22982	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: Ebay description LOL!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22983	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: Re: LTI Diesels on DC.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22984	From: AF336	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: Re: LTI Diesels on DC.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22985	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: SMOKE UNIT CLEANING FAQ's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22986	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: SMOKE UNIT CLEANING FAQ's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22987	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22988	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Kitbashing with aluminium
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22989	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Green plywood allergies: help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22990	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Green plywood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22991	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Green plywood allergies: help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22992	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Green plywood allergies: help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22993	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22994	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22995	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] RE: Green plywood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22996	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22997	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22998	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Damp plywood allergies: help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 22999	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23000	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: #22030 Transformer on Ebay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23001	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: DC and eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23002	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: All aboard sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23003	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: scale dead leaves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23004	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Interesting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23005	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23006	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23007	From: David	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23008	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23009	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Speaking of Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23010	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23011	From: Chris Simmonds	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: smoke units output
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23012	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23013	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units output
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23014	From: scott ptacek	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: 21130 tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23015	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23016	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: NP reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23017	From: plotnick	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23018	From: colleenandrob	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Metal 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23019	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23020	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: 21130 tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23021	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: NP reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23022	From: Chris Simmonds	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: smoke unit joy!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23023	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] BK Closed Frog Switch - a picture please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23024	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: NP reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23025	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: scale dead leaves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23026	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23027	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: 21130 tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23028	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23029	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23030	From: wintermutedm	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: HELP on SIT armature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23031	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: HELP on SIT armature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23032	From: wintermutedm	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: HELP on SIT armature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23033	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: HELP on SIT armature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23034	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23035	From: wintermutedm	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: HELP on SIT armature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23036	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23037	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: HELP on SIT armature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23038	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Cutting sheets of foam (was Green plywood allergies: help!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23039	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: More New S Layout Plans Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23040	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: What about DOORS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23041	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: What about DOORS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23042	From: Tony in Michigan	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23043	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23044	From: John G	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Box Car without the Rocket car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23045	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23046	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23047	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23048	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: What about this one????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23049	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Fw: Question for seller -- Item #3106068528
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23050	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: What about this one
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23051	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyonel Announcement !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23052	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyonel Announcement !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23053	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting (Filter/Capacitor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23054	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23055	From: Tony in Michigan	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23056	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: U.P.R.R Auction Prime Time Auctions Jan 22
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23057	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23058	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1719
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23059	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: NY Times Letter to the Editor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23060	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Cutting Foam/ Blatant add
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23061	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: NY Times Letter to the Editor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23062	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Resolution of the green plywood problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23063	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: NY Times Letter to the Editor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23064	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Though for ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23065	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: Thought for ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23066	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: Though for ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23067	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: Though for ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23068	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: NY Times Letter to the Editor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23069	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Club Meetings?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23070	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Bidding against s-list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23071	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23072	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Bidding against s-list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23073	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Selling sets vs. individual items?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23074	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: 332ac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23075	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: American Flyer 2 Car NYC Add-on set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23076	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23077	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1721
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23078	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: NP reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23079	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23080	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1721
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23081	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23082	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23083	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23084	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23085	From: Antiques_TheShoppe at Ebay	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23086	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: AOL & Ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23087	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: AOL & Ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23088	From: eric.reis	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Club Meetings?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23089	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: AOL & Ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23090	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Trains in KC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23091	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: AOL & Ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23092	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23093	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: ebay Angst - Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23094	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Club Meetings?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23095	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23096	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: S-Videos and more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23097	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23098	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Ebay - Bidding - Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23099	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Hey Paul!! ( some Humor)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23100	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: eBay, Re: Bidding against s-list members & snipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23101	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23102	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: More Blatant SHS commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23103	From: Roger Walton	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: trains in Charleston, SC area?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23104	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Hey Paul!! ( some Humor)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23105	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: 1/64th 1959 Ford w/cherry picker....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23106	From: Jim C	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: AOL & Ebay???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23107	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re-bending track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23108	From: waldootten	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Nothing wrong with so-called sniping, IMHO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23109	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Nothing wrong with so-called sniping, IMHO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23110	From: eddiee456	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: need traction help for a Santa Fe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23111	From: DoUg	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: 290 steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23112	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: 332ac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23113	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Truck thought, KC for PM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23114	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Truck thought, KC for PM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23115	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Re-bending track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23116	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: What Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23117	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: 1 E-Bay pet peeve
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23118	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: E-Bay pet peeve
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23119	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Truck thought, KC for PM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23120	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: What Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23121	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: I won't make F'lyer Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23122	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: 1 E-Bay pet peeve
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23123	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: What Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23124	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: E-bay Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23125	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: E-bay Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23126	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Sniping just a snip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23127	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Serendipity doo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23128	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: SHS/Showcaseline S-Trax for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23129	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Serendipity doo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23130	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Poultry Car Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23131	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: E-bay Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23132	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Try this for Poultry Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23133	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Serendipity doo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23134	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Another Poultry Car Photos Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23135	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Hooterville and Gabe.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23136	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Poultry address...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23137	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: CLUB MEETINGS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23138	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23139	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Serendipity doo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23140	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: What Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23141	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: whooderfill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23142	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: whooderfill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23143	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Club Organization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23144	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Re-bending track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23145	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Re-bending track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23146	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re-bending track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23147	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re-bending track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23148	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Lionel Aquarium Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23149	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Club Meetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23150	From: knockbill	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Hand car bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23151	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Nothing wrong with so-called sniping, IMHO(E-BAY)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23152	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Club Meetings]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23153	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Nothing wrong with so-called sniping, IMHO(E-BAY)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23154	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Bushing handcar armature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23155	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: 1 1/4" --- O-gauge 2 rail track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23156	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: SHS/Showcaseline S-Trax for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23157	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: New LTI/ American Flyer catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23158	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Bushing handcar armature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23159	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: New LTI/ American Flyer catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23160	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Wake-Up Call ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23161	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: new Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23162	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Transformer Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23163	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Wake-Up Call ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23164	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: L catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23165	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Talking Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23166	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Transformer Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23167	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: JL and Corgi
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23168	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23169	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23170	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23171	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Bending track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23172	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Where
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23173	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23174	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Lionel 2003 Volume I
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23175	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel 2003 Volume I
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23176	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: L catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23177	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Mt. St .Helens Hopper.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23178	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1726
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23179	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1726
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23180	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: new Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23181	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23182	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Baldwin poll.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23183	From: trainman634	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Brand of S-Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23184	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23185	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Brand of S-Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23186	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23187	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23188	From: keith kuzma	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23189	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23190	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Brand of S-Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23191	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23192	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Brand of S-Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23193	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23194	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23195	From: knockbill	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Handcar chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23196	From: trainman634	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: S-Gauge Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23197	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23198	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: New AF Steamer form Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23199	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel 2003 Volume I
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23200	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Brand of S-Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23201	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23202	From: David	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Baldwin poll.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23203	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23204	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: New AF Steamer form Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23205	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23206	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Baldwin poll.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23207	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23208	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23209	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: bending track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23210	From: AL MUNCY	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: TRAIN SHOP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23211	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Lionel Catalog photos online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23212	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23213	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Wake-Up Call ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23214	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23215	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Pairing AM Baldwin Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23216	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23217	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Baldwin switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23218	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Just Wondering!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23219	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Baldwin switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23220	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Baldwin switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23221	From: waldootten	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Brand of S-Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23222	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23223	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Baldwin Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23224	From: Dave	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Catalog photos online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23225	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Bending Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23226	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: You Go, Roy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23227	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Body Double
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23228	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Steam Engine?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23229	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23230	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Roy asked ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23231	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Bending Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23232	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Catalog photos online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23233	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Clarification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23234	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Lionel American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23235	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: New Lionel pix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23236	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: New American Flyer PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23237	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23238	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23239	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New Lionel pix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23240	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New Lionel pix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23241	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Glancy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23242	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23243	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Doomslayers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23244	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1729
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23245	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23246	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: bending track up/down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23247	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23248	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23249	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Bending Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23250	From: Bradley	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: lionel-flyer GP7-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23251	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Glancy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23252	From: trainman634	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: AF/LTI Part #40-8702-025
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23253	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Steam Engine?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23254	From: AF336	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Burning up can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23255	From: AF336	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Link to Electric Motor Guidelines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23256	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Roy asked ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23257	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: bending track up/down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23258	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23259	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Can't we all move on?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23260	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23261	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Can't we all move on?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23262	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: bending track up/down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23263	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Look at whats coming.........????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23264	From: mal_af	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: FLYONEL PURCHASE'S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23265	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23266	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] bending track up/down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23267	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23268	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23269	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23270	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23271	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Track Vote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23272	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23273	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23274	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Flyonel problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23275	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Track Vote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23276	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23277	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: New Flyonel pix--Where online???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23278	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Union Pacific Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23279	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23280	From: waldootten	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Union Pacific Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23281	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Can't we all move on?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23282	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23283	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: up-n-down bending, or, vertical curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23284	From: eric.reis	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Flyer track for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23285	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23286	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: lionel-flyer GP7-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23287	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23288	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Roy asked...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23289	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23290	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23291	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23292	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: New Flyer Catalogued
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23293	From: Chris Simmonds	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Jute carpet pad????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23294	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23295	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Lionel +
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23296	From: Chris Simmonds	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: AF manual switch conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23297	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23298	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: About Buying Lionel/American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23299	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23300	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel +
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23301	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel +
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23302	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23303	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Flyonel quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23304	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23305	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23306	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Estate Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23307	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: WANTED: B&O HEAVY WEIGHT(72") PASSENGER CARs (SET)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23308	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: AF manual switch conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23309	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyer Catalogued
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23310	From: carltonlowry	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: diesel shell (s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23311	From: Pat O'Sullivan	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23312	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: 15B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23313	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23314	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Schreiner Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23315	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23316	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23317	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel quality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23318	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: what about MTH?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23319	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23320	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: PFE reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23321	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: what about MTH?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23322	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: #670 Track Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23323	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23324	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: 15B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23325	From: John G	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23326	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1733
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23327	From: eric.reis	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: New F7 is here.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23328	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23329	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23330	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: SHS Tomato Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23331	From: keith kuzma	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: New lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23332	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Truck Clean-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23333	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: pulmor Atlantic question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23334	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: OFF TOPIC/ ERECTOR QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23335	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: NJ Vegetables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23336	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Sad fact
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23337	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Estate Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23338	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Timonium Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23339	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Blatant Commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23340	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC/ ERECTOR QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23341	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23342	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Converting manual switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23343	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23344	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Schreiner Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23345	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Pairing AM Baldwin Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23346	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Schreiner Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23347	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: jersey tomatoes?????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23348	From: David	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC/ ERECTOR QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23349	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: jersey tomatoes, no train content
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23350	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Moe and Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23351	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23352	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Pairing AM Baldwin Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23353	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: flyonel Baldwin Switcher screw hole crack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23354	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: On3 and On30
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23355	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Shameless self promotion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23356	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Shameless self promotion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23357	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: On3 and On30
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23358	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Getting Back into AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23359	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Misc on30, g
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23360	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Misc on30, g
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23361	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Off topic -- Photo of CNS&M 727 coming home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23362	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23363	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Misc on30, g
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23364	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Shameless self promotion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23365	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23366	From: John L.	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Painting Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23367	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Caig Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23368	From: John L.	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER CAN MOTOR REPLACEMENT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23369	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23370	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel Baldwins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23371	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Caig Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23372	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 AF (commercial!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23373	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel Baldwins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23374	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Baldwin screw hole crack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23375	From: theheadliner	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Shameless self promotion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23376	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER CAN MOTOR REPLACEMENT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23377	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: got Trona?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23378	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel Baldwins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23379	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Paint job.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23380	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1736
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23382	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Paint job.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23383	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23384	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1736
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23385	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Paint job.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23386	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23387	From: carltonlowry	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Intro
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23388	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Paint job.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23389	From: overworkedwsor@webtv.net	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Updated Web Site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23390	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: free track planning software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23391	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23392	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Track Planner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23393	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Paint job.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23394	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: LTI Engine Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23395	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Painting old AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23396	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Link coupler truck blues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23397	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: paint job-repro lettering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23398	From: keith kuzma	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: paint job-repro lettering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23399	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Train spotting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23400	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: BUILT 2003 ACG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23401	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: LTI Engine Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23402	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: paint job
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23403	From: AF336	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: LTI Engine Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23404	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: paint touch-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23405	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: LTI ERIE wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23406	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Erie PA problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23407	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: flyonel Baldwin Switcher screw hole crack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23408	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: BUILT 2003 ACG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23409	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: flyonel Baldwin Switcher screw hole crack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23410	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Box Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23411	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: free track planning software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23412	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: In a Name
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23413	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Box Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23414	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: A.C.Gilbert Birthday Party
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23415	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Clubs/Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23416	From: joe messinger	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Stamp Ink & paint stripping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23417	From: waldootten	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Taking great layout pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23418	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: LTI ERIE wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23419	From: David	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC/ ERECTOR QUESTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23420	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: LTI B&O (was ERIE) wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23421	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Switch Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23422	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Train Spotting Redux & "Modern"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23423	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1739
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23424	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Darkening Blued Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23425	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Switch Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23426	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23427	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1738
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23428	From: AF336	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1739
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23429	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: early Flyonel PAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23430	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Marblized Switch Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23431	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Darkening Blued Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23432	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: darkening blued items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23433	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: off topic note on "go Raiders" comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23434	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: off topic note on "go Raiders" comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23435	From: Jim C	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1739
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23436	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: LTI Alco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23437	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: More painting stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23438	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Putty material for "gaps" in foam?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23439	From: Keith Olmanni	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: AF #588 Semaphore ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23440	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Putty material for "gaps" in foam?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23441	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Plastic Ties for AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23442	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: The Box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23443	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Moe & Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23444	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Putty material for "gaps" in foam?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23445	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Putty material for "gaps" in foam?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23446	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Train Spotting Redux
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23447	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] is your cup half full or half empty? or more broccoli
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23448	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23449	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Putty material for "gaps" in foam?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23450	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: LTI ERIE wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23451	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23452	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] is your cup half full or half empty? or more broccoli
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23453	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: RS-3 for sale and wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23454	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23455	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23456	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Putty material for "gaps" in foam?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23457	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Simpsons Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23458	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Check out S-'n-S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23459	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: RS-3 for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23460	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Better Link for Simpsons Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23461	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Lionel 153IR controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23462	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: 24328 Shell Tanks cars with KC instead of PM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23463	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - AM GG1 Consist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23464	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Electronic reversing unit......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23465	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - GG1 Consist - Sold!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23466	From: IronHorse	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Remote control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23467	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel 153IR controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23468	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1740
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23469	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Re: Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23470	From: gino restivo	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Electronic reversing unit......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23471	From: splitdorf@1bigred.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Electronic reversing unit......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23472	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: 24328 Shell Tanks cars with KC instead of PM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23473	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Laser Horizon current list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23474	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23475	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: 24328 Shell Tanks cars with KC instead of PM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23476	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23477	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23478	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Shazaam!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23479	From: aag_rlg	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23480	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23481	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Laser Horizon current list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23482	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Winross 1/64 Bonton trucks bargain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23483	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Winross 1/64 Bonton trucks bargain corrected
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23484	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23485	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23486	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23487	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: where my AF was bought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23488	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23489	From: David	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23490	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Good Wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23491	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Where I purchased my firstAmerican Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23492	From: rrik2	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23493	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: (Possible) New S Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23494	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Dallee vs. QSI reverse units...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23495	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Dallee vs. QSI reverse units...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23496	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23497	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23498	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23499	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Dallee vs. QSI reverse units...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23500	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Dallee vs. QSI reverse units...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23501	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: where my AF was bought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23502	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23503	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23504	From: theodore weiler	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23505	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: where did you buy....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23506	From: downtowndeco	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Nice built up structure for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23507	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Laser Horizon current list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23508	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Erector/Gilbert layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23509	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23510	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Permascene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23511	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23512	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23513	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: AF stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23514	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: QSI vs Dallee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23515	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23516	From: aglorince	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: post inventory magazine clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23517	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: QSI & AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23518	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Memories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23519	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: TV Test Pattern Blues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23520	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23521	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: First trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23522	From: Bradley	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: AF and TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23523	From: IronHorse	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23524	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23525	From: firex43	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: AFCC "The Collector" Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23526	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Where did I buy American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23527	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23528	From: IronHorse	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Erector/Gilbert layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23529	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1743
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23530	From: IronHorse	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Train websites.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23531	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Blatant want ad...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23532	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: TV Test Pattern Blues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23533	From: knockbill	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equiptment ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23534	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: TV Test Pattern Blues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23535	From: Emily	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: My First Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23536	From: Doug	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23537	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23538	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23539	From: trainman634	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Need the right brake wheel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23540	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: 1st e-mail no subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23541	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: First Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23542	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23543	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23544	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Where I got my A.F.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23545	From: Robert Johnson	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: New Lionel AF Checkerboard Bubbling Water Tower Tube Color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23546	From: wd511	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: New Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23547	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: ERIE UPGRADE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23548	From: Karl Raab	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where I got my AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23549	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Lionel making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23550	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Link Coupler Truck Blues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23551	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23552	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Where did you buy...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23553	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Caig
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23554	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: 6 volt resister
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23555	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Dallee & Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23556	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: 0-6-0 battey engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23557	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Where did you buy. . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23558	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23559	From: jmdecar	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23560	From: Bradley	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: They ended up at Goodwill!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23561	From: AF336	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Black plastic Alco PA horns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23562	From: David	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23563	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Where I got my Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23564	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: layout wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23565	From: pushpinss	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23566	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23567	From: knockbill	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: track wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23568	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: track wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23569	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Photo link from Chris....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23570	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Caig Final
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23571	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: My first American Flyer.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23572	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: layout wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23573	From: firex43	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: AF Game Train Cardboard Pieces
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23574	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: layout wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23575	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Plastic Village Gazette
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23576	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Track wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23577	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Plastic Village Gazette
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23578	From: LeRoy Price	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Knuckle Coupler Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23579	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: More on Caig Final
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23580	From: scott ptacek	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: UNION PACIFIC PASSENGER CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23581	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: INFO& AND PHONE #
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23582	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: FLUID INFO???/ MORE THAN A BLANTANT AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23583	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Knuckle Coupler Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23584	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23585	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23586	From: Steve Roche	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23587	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: West Springfield, MA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23588	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23589	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: UNION PACIFIC PASSENGER CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23590	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Dennis Sautters Laser Horizons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23591	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Black plastic Alco PA horns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23592	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: FW: [On30conspiracy] On30 For Newbies - Part Two
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23593	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Atlas-O Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23594	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas-O Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23595	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Repro American Flyer Track - Blatant Ad!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23596	From: firex43	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Trolleys by Pope Imagineering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23597	From: trainman634	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23598	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Dennis Sautters Laser Horizons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23599	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: power drops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23600	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Caig delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23601	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Auto Size
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23602	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Two-in-One
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23603	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23604	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23605	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: electronics in trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23606	From: David Engle	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Dennis Sautters Laser Horizons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23607	From: aglorince	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23608	From: David	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23609	From: rfgiardina	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23610	From: Fire Wood	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Reading 0-6-0 ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23611	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Two-in-One
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23612	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Knuckle Coupler Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23613	From: dave rowe	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: 695 reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23614	From: ctbigboy	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: American "S" Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23615	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Knuckle Coupler Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23616	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Pykemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23617	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: electronics in trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23618	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Connectors For Pikemaster Track & Kudos to David Avedesian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23619	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Thomas The Tank Engine in "S" - Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23620	From: trzp1800	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: 695 reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23621	From: AF336	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: 21808
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23622	From: firex43	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: AF 5 Digit NP Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23623	From: trainman634	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Best Running Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23624	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Connectors For Pikemaster Track & Kudos to David Avedesian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23625	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: 21808
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23626	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: 695 reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23627	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Best Running Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23628	From: AF336	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Best Running Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23629	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Best Running Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23630	From: trainstuffllc	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: New Pennsy Standard Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23631	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: 21808 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23632	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Fwd: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23633	From: TCS	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23634	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] 21808 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23635	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Reading 0-6-0 ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23636	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Pike's Peak peak price picques probe.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23637	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Help me to understand...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23638	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: hobby shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23639	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Southwind Models EM-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23640	From: pushpinss	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Cloth wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23641	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1751
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23642	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Reading 0-6-0 ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23643	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Pike's Peak peak price picques probe.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23644	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 0-6-0 READING ENGINE & 24733 Pikes Peak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23645	From: theheadliner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 21808 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23646	From: theheadliner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Cloth wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23647	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 0-6-0 READING ENGINE & 24733 Pikes Peak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23648	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Re More cutting up....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23649	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Connectors For Pikemaster Track & Kudos to David Avedesian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23650	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Dave Garber
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23651	From: AF336	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: 20176 set contents.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23652	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Details of AF Engins - Steam Specifically
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23653	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Pike's Peak peak price picques probe.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23654	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: '59 El Camino
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23655	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Diesel horn generator/horn question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23656	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: '59 El Camino
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23657	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23658	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 20176 set contents.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23659	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23660	From: AF336	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 20176 set contents.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23661	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: David Garber
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23662	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Diesel horn generator/horn question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23663	From: pianoman4jesus	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23664	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23665	From: Runtro66	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: 695 reverse loop relay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23666	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Can't get there!! Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23667	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Pike's Peak peak price picques probe.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23668	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Chat is at the old Yahoo site tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23669	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat -Alt location
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23670	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Set contents 5001 T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23671	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: David Garber
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23672	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 0-6-0 READING ENGINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23673	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: data Standards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23674	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: great picyure of an Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23675	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: grades chart
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23676	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: for you guys who want modern Diesels information
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23677	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Fwd: [OSCALEMODELERS] Re: Atlas buying Int/Mt, and R/C GP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23678	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: want to educate this guy. I sent him some observation, but no web
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23679	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: data Standards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23680	From: Lori	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23681	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23682	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23683	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Mt. St. Helen's car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23684	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: LTI Engine Service - followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23685	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: THANK YOU!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23686	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Cheap trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23687	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: How big is a 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23688	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Since when is a 4-8-4 a "Challenger?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23689	From: jackotrains	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Lionel AF Stock Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23690	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: how big is a 336/AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23691	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: wiring diagram for AF HO (engine 155) needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23692	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: ERIE upgrade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23693	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23694	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: L-Flyer Santa Fe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23695	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23696	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: AF Details - Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23697	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: AF steam loco details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23698	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23699	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: F3 B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23700	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Chuck Harrington's ACG catalogs on the web
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23701	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23702	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Beacon Madness - (Kit) Bashing the mythology...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23703	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23704	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Cheap Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23707	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: Beacon Madness - (Kit) Bashing the mythology...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23708	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: The Challenger question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23709	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: ERIE upgrade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23710	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23711	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Since when is a 4-8-4 a "Challenger?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23712	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: turntablle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23713	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: You are always behind!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23714	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: SHS Open house?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23715	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Poll results for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23716	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23717	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Since when is a 4-8-4 a "Challenger?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23718	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Cheap trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23719	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23720	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Challenger question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23721	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Recent trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23722	From: trzp1800	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Beacon Madness - (Kit) Bashing the mythology...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23723	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23724	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Beacon Madness - (Kit) Bashing the mythology...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23725	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Recent trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23726	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] How big is a 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23727	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Recent trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23728	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Poll results for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23729	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Lionel's new steam locomotive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23730	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23731	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23732	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23733	From: waldootten	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Railsounds quiery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23734	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Railsounds quiery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23735	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23736	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: turntables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23737	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Recent trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23738	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Railsounds quiery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23739	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23740	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: S-Turntables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23741	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Lionel AF Stock Cars - Perhaps SHS Had An Effect
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23742	From: trainman634	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: AF Trains Running on AM Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23743	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23744	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: A-B-A set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23745	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: turntables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23746	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: A-B-A set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23747	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: uncoupling AF on AM ( or FM, or SW, or........)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23748	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Stock Cars - Perhaps SHS Had An Effect
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23749	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Cheap Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23750	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23751	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23752	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Cheap Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23753	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Recent trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23754	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23755	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Lionel's new steam locomotive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23756	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23757	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Starter Sets go first class only. Hi brow not hi rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23758	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: BK 148 Turn outs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23759	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23760	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: how big is a 336?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23761	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23762	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - Next Offering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23763	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Chris
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23764	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: how big is a 336?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23765	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: diner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23766	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23767	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: We are all done!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23768	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Railsounds quiery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23769	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23770	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Code 125 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23771	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Equator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23772	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: S-Gaugers in IA & NE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23773	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Here is a list from K-line's web site of the new "S" gauge cars !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23774	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Here is a list from K-line's web site of the new "S" gauge cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23775	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: new K-line S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23776	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Here is a list from K-line's web site of the new "S" gauge cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23777	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: New K-line S cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23778	From: Karl Raab	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: K-Line Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23779	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Their back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23780	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: K-Line price war to begin. Or benefits from China production being
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23781	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: Here is a list from K-line's web site of the n ew "S" gauge car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23782	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: New K-Line S Gauge Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23783	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23784	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line S Gauge Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23785	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: K-line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23786	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: FW: train stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23787	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23788	From: John Foley	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Allentown Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23789	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap/shoddy trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23790	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: K-line Buses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23791	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Lionel 2003 Book 1 AF Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23792	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Chromatists Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23793	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Tanked out ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23794	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: A piece of the "General" for sale ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23795	From: ron190sl	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23796	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23797	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: Tanked out ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23798	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Can motors for Gilbert Diesels.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23799	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Brass Shapes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23800	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Making trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23801	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Personnality types
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23802	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23803	From: trainman634	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: American Flyer wheel gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23804	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23805	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: A piece of the "General" for sale ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23806	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Digest's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23807	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: A piece of the "General" for sale ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23808	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: "General" for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23809	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23810	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23811	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23812	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23813	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23814	From: AF336	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23815	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23816	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1760 re:message 22
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23817	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: More on the General
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23818	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line S Gauge Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23819	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: American Flyer wheel gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23820	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: American Flyer wheel gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23821	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: More on the General
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23822	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: A follow up on the General
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23823	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: inexspensive alternative
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23824	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1761
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23825	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23826	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Civil War and donating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23827	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23828	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23829	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: On the right track - Cleaning AF Track and Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23830	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Insulated rail joiners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23831	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23832	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: American Flyer wheel gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23833	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: cleaning AF track and roadbed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23834	From: Joe Fariello	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: AF Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23835	From: dicklong14052	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: 2 in 1 Whistle button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23836	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: New K-line/Old Marx
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23837	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 Whistle button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23838	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track and roadbed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23839	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: AF Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23840	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23841	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23842	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: communications boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23843	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23844	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23845	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: It's Official
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23846	From: Roger Walton	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: rewiring a 762 (2-in-1 whistle) control box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23847	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: cleaning AF track/roadbed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23848	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track and roadbed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23849	From: firex43	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23850	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: inexspensive alternative
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23851	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] New K-line/Old Marx
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23852	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23853	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] cleaning AF track and roadbed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23854	From: Keith B Thompson	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Code 125 rail - puzzle]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23855	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Curved track radius question.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23856	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track/roadbed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23857	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track/roadbed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23858	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23859	From: jckksi	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Cleaning Flyer rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23860	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23861	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track and roadbed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23862	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23863	From: rtanson	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Hoosier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23864	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: This is where American Flyer S Gauge was launched!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23865	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: CHAT Tonite & track cleaning thoughts (WHY, not how)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23866	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: CHAT Tonite & track cleaning thoughts (WHY, not how)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23867	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23868	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - SHS Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23869	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Estate Sale-SHS Starter Set-SOLD!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23870	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Hoosier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23871	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23872	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23873	From: carltonlowry	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Chat room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23874	From: Marty Rajsich	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23875	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Flyer 952 pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23876	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Chat room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23877	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: CHAT Tonite & track cleaning thoughts (WHY, not how)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23878	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23879	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23880	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23881	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Chat room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23882	From: Hannon	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Postwar Lionel O-Gauge Reference Manual II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23883	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23884	From: AF336	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Satin Silver color match
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23885	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: RS3 fan grilles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23886	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: 19B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23887	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: cleaning AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23888	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23889	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: cleaning AF and scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23890	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Satin Silver color match
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23891	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: 19B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23892	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Painting repro roadbed question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23893	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Rubber Road bed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23894	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: funnin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23895	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: funnin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23896	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: funnin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23897	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Kerosene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23898	From: trainman634	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Stamped metal boxcar frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23899	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23900	From: eric.reis	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Satin Silver color match
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23901	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Stamped metal boxcar frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23902	From: waldootten	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23903	From: waldootten	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF track with sandpaper, Chapter II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23904	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: More on Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23905	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: More Cleaning AF track with sandpaper, Chapter IIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23906	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Old AF track usuage.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23907	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: ACG instructions and abrasives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23908	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: More on Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23909	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: 19B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23910	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: More on Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23911	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: 19B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23912	From: train1010	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Track Cleaning, Use LGB Track Cleaner.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23913	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: 19B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23914	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: 19B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23915	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Satin Silver match found
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23916	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23917	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Strasburg RR Theft
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23918	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: funnin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23919	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: funnin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23920	From: John Foley	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23921	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Merry-go-round
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23922	From: Doug	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: More on Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23923	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Gilbert in Canada
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23924	From: John Foley	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Allentown, PA. Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23925	From: waldootten	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23926	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1765
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23927	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: 54-inch track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23928	From: firex43	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: AF Silver Paint Match and AF and Gargraves Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23929	From: lou342ac	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: 54-inch track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23930	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: cleaning AF and scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23931	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF track with sandpaper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23932	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Cheap trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23933	From: mstowem	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: American S track 27" starter kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23934	From: waldootten	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23935	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Supertrain (Calgary Albeta) Feb 15-16th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23936	From: Doug	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF and scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23937	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: K-Line S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23938	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23939	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: Allentown, PA. Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23940	From: John Huster	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: K-Line's New Ex-Marx S Gauge Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23941	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: use a Bright Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23942	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Thomas for S track - Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23943	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - SHS Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23944	From: busyboy@optonline.net	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Big challange]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23945	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23946	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: use a Bright Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23947	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23948	From: Dave	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Strasburg Railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23949	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: 19B lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23950	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: S track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23951	From: Michael Greene	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: S track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23952	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Tender Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23953	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23954	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: AM trackage (was[S-Trains] (no subject))
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23955	From: David Engle	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: S track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23956	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23957	From: David Engle	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: Tender Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23958	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: AF track....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23959	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: steel wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23960	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: steel wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23961	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: steel wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23962	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: steel wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23963	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: steel wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23964	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Why bother?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23965	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: The Prayer of Dewey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23966	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Grocery Carts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23967	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Plastic in turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23968	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Replating track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23969	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 19B lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23970	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Steel Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23971	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23972	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Grocery Carts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23973	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Fwd: Estate Sale - SHS Cars/UPDATE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23974	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Keep them looking "like new" - shine up product suggestions...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23975	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1769
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23976	From: AF336	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Ebay and 90 deg crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23977	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay and 90 deg crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23978	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Ebay and 90 deg crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23979	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Keep them looking "like new" - shine up product suggestions...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23980	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: keep them looking "like new"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23981	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay and 90 deg crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23982	From: stevemcguire63	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 1:64 Firefighters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23983	From: Al Reibel	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay and 90 deg crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23984	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: 19B lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23985	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay and 90 deg crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23986	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: keep them looking "like new"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23987	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: S track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23988	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1769
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23989	From: keith kuzma	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: shill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23990	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: keep them looking "like new"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23991	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Converting Mass-Produced S Scale Military Figures to Civilian - Any
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23992	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Long messages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23993	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: "New" Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23994	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Keep them looking "like new" - shine up product suggestions...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23995	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: keep them looking "like new"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23996	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 90 degree crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23997	From: AF336	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 48939 Brown stripe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23998	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Vehicle Size
Group: S-Trains	Message: 23999	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 24065
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24000	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 24065 value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24001	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1770
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24002	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Thanks for 19B info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24003	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 24065
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24004	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: 90 degree crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24005	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Cowboys and Indians
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24006	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: 90 Degree Crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24007	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: Cowboys and Indians
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24008	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: 90 degree crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24009	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: 19B lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24010	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Cramolin paste for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24011	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: 90 degree crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24012	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: 90 degree crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24013	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: No Ron?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24014	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: 90 Degree Crossing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24015	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Train Show Next Weekend - St. Pete
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24016	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: Train Show Next Weekend - St. Pete
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24017	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: MMT Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24018	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: trades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24019	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Trades part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24020	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Our S Community loses Josh Seltzer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24021	From: John Foley	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: Our S Community loses Josh Seltzer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24022	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24023	From: trainman634	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Black AF Uncoupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24024	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Black remote uncoupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24025	From: trzp1800	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: Train Show Next Weekend - St. Pete
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24026	From: AF336	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: New alco shell stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24027	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: steel wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24028	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Proto Passenger Car Diaphrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24029	From: trainman634	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Thanks Chuck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24030	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: New Alco shell stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24031	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Frankiln questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24032	From: aglorince	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: train shows pittsburgh, pa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24033	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: Proto Passenger Car Diaphrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24034	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: Frankiln questions - Answer - A great book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24035	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: MMT Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24036	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] Proto Passenger Car Diaphrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24037	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: 718 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24038	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] 718 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24039	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: TMCC Technical explanation and drawings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24040	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: Frankiln questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24041	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Trades part 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24042	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24043	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24044	From: waldootten	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24045	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: speed record on the Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24046	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: speed record on the Milwaukee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24047	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Train Show Next Weekend - St. Pete
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24048	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: 718 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24049	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] 718 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24050	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Recent trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24051	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24052	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Diaphragms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24053	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: 718 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24054	From: John L.	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: AF 312 Jewell Placements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24055	From: John Foley	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Josh Seltzer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24056	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Couple things from Paul
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24057	From: AF336	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Why Yahoo groups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24058	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: AFL 718 at the Photo Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24059	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: why yahoo groups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24060	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Digest 1760 -- missing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24061	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: jewels/diaphragms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24062	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Why Yahoo groups - Some men ask why...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24063	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: AFL 718 at the Photo Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24064	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Pennsy Jewels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24065	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24066	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: AF 312 Jewell Placements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24067	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: S-Scale.org Photo Albums - FAQ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24068	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Controller Button - Pushing my buttons...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24069	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: 718 & 918 tuccan.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24070	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: controller buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24071	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Controller Button - Pushing my buttons...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24072	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: 718 & 918 tuccan.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24073	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24074	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24075	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24076	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: AF 312 Jewell Placements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24077	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24078	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Last Call: Lionel 2003 AF Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24079	From: AF336	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: So what about this Rocket set???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24080	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Merry-go-round
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24081	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Fwd: SMOKE FLUID BLATANT AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24082	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: SMOKE FLUID BLATANT AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24083	From: waldootten	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: AM turnout wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24084	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: AM turnout wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24085	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] So what about this Rocket set???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24086	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Parallel AF track lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24087	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: S-Scale.org Photo Albums -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24088	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Merry Go Round
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24089	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Rocket Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24090	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: marker lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24091	From: David	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: So what about this Rocket set???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24092	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: So what about this Rocket set???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24093	From: theheadliner	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: So what about this Rocket set???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24094	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: B & O RR museum roof collapsed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24095	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: Fest Button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24096	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Reverse E-Bay (?????)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24097	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: trades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24098	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: B & O RR museum roof collapsed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24099	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Store Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24100	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: L & N Nashville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24101	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: food stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24102	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: More trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24103	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [AtlanticCoastSGaugers] Fw: Snow, Snow, Snow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24104	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Memory Test?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24105	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: testing my new email address from site...delete!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24106	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: test delete!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24107	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: You guys out there...??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24108	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: My new email address.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24109	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: test 4 delete
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24110	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24111	From: keith kuzma	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re.WOW WOW WOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24112	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24113	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24114	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Re.WOW WOW WOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24115	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24116	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: k-line S gauge cars all on one page...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24117	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: k-line S gauge cars all on one page...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24118	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Kline rolling stock - Product Review?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24119	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24120	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24121	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24122	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: K-line S-Gauge cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24123	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24124	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24125	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24126	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24127	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24128	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24129	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Train movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24130	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: marker lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24131	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: K-LINE S GAUGE CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24132	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Timken car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24133	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Track Layout Help Request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24134	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Not so WOW, IMHO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24135	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] K-LINE S GAUGE CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24136	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: The WOW thread
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24137	From: david.avedesian@limbachinc.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Parallel AF track lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24138	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: The WOW thread
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24139	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Parallel AF track lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24140	From: wintermutedm	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Track Layout Help Request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24141	From: wintermutedm	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Track Layout Help Request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24142	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Digest # 1776
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24143	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: WOW post-script.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24144	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: New K-Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24145	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: The WOW thread
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24146	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: K-LINE S GAUGE CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24147	From: Tony Gonzalez	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] So what about this Rocket set???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24148	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: So what about this...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24149	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24150	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24151	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: re-painting K-Line's new stuff.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24152	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24153	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Track Layout Help Request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24154	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24155	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: S Gauge disscussion on the OGR forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24156	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: BK turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24157	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24158	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: K-Line - Wow - Where?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24159	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24160	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line - Wow - Where?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24161	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: WOW (post script)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24162	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24163	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24164	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1779
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24165	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24166	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24167	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: MTH/Lionel accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24168	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: MTH/Lionel accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24169	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: MTH/Lionel accessories - GR H20 Tower in action
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24170	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Canadian news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24171	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: New K-Line S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24172	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Just change the trucks, hmmmm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24173	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: S is Number 3 gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24174	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24175	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH/Lionel accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24176	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Gilbert Repro's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24177	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: K-Line S- Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24178	From: pieter_roos	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: S is Number 3 gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24179	From: pieter_roos	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S- Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24180	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S- Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24181	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Rewinding coil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24182	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: MTH Accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24183	From: flyer trains	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S- Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24184	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24185	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24186	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: WOW - Did I start all this? !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24187	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: WOW - Did I start all this? !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24188	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: WOW - Did I start all this? !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24189	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: WOW - Did I start all this? !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24190	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24191	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Lets really think!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24192	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH/Lionel accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24193	From: AF336	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: SF 21927
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24194	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Rewinding coil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24195	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Hydrocal B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24196	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: GLUE info from another list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24197	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: rewinding coil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24198	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24199	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: "Roar Of The Rails" oline!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24200	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24201	From: John Foley	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Allentown Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24202	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: SF 21927
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24203	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: K-Line WOW cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24204	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24205	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24206	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24207	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line WOW cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24208	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24209	From: afjeff_56	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Right On!!!!! Wow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24210	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24211	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24212	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24213	From: John G	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: rewinding accessory coil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24214	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: This guage That guage do any of you know how it really got started
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24215	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Need Chris Zizzo e-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24216	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Chariots and Track Gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24217	From: John Foley	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Allentown Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24218	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24219	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24220	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24221	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: This guage That guage do any of you know how it really got star
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24222	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Hydrocal in bulk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24223	From: David	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24224	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24225	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24226	From: Doug	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24227	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: ROAR OF THE RAILS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24228	From: David	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24229	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1782
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24230	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: K-LINE S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24231	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1782
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24232	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24233	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24234	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24235	From: The Youngs	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1783
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24236	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: BC vs. BCE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24237	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Muncie Indiana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24238	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24239	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24240	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: BC/ BCE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24241	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1782
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24242	From: John G	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Diesel pullmore wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24243	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Muncie Indiana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24244	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: S guage Time Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24245	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Of Vendors and Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24246	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Diesel pullmore wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24247	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Of Vendors and Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24248	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Of Vendors and Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24249	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24250	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Of Vendors and Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24251	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1783
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24252	From: eddiee456	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: who sells original looking roadbed?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24253	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: who sells original looking roadbed?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24254	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Layout progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24255	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Poultry Palace Car Progress Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24256	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: To the Sunday chat crowd....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24257	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: steam loco drivers(scale flanges)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24258	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: WHY...??...Only Sunday Night Chat ..???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24259	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: WHY...??...Only Sunday Night Chat ..???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24260	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Diesel pullmore wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24261	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: WHY...??...Only Sunday Night Chat ..???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24262	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: 24/7 CHAT...Y Not
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24263	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24264	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: wannabe couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24265	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Internet Courtesy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24266	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: K-Line S gauge Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24267	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Internet Courtesy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24268	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: Layout progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24269	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Replies Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1785
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24270	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: Internet Courtesy - Oh Gosh another opinion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24271	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: wannabe couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24272	From: knockbill	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Diesel pullmor wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24273	From: theheadliner	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: Internet Courtesy - Oh Gosh another opinion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24274	From: eric.reis	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24275	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: internet courtesy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24276	From: Audrey M Berger	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: broken tabs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24277	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: storage???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24278	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: storage???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24279	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: internet courtesy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24280	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: storage???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24281	From: John G	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Wheel puller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24282	From: TCS	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: MPHS - MoPac Modelers Showcase Gallery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24283	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Gilbert compatible
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24284	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: storage???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24285	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24286	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Chariots and Ruts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24287	From: Clark Womack	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: 4 "S" scale small trucks on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24288	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24289	From: AF336	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Reproduction horns vs Original
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24290	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: Reproduction horns vs Original
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24291	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Train cars on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24292	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: storage???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24293	From: keith kuzma	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: scottdeeoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24294	From: firex43	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Alco Repro Horns vs. Original AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24295	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: Reproduction horns vs Original
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24296	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: 4 "S" scale small trucks on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24297	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Subject: Re: storage???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24298	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: 4 "S" scale small trucks on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24299	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: 4 "S" scale small trucks on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24300	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: 4 "S" scale small trucks on E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24301	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: I agree!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24302	From: AF336	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: I agree!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24303	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: I agree!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24304	From: Steve Roche	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24305	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Crown Model Products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24306	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] I agree!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24307	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24308	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1786
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24309	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] I agree!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24310	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: MARX CONVERSIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24311	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] I agree!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24312	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: FW: K-Line 2003 FE Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24313	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] I agree!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24314	From: jackotrains	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: 1998 AF Holidat Gondolaw/ Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24315	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] I agree!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24316	From: trzp1800	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Putt Trains Mogul and 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24317	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Latest Poll - and still counting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24318	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: Latest Poll - and still counting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24319	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: I agree!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24320	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: Storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24321	From: rexputt	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Rex Mogul 2-6-0 & 0-6-0 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24322	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: I agree!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24323	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: I agree!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24324	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Vendor Information Request - The Gilbert Guru ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24325	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24326	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: 027 Lionel HI double door box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24327	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: wanted, old tender trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24328	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Putt Trains Mogul and 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24329	From: Steve Roche	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Guru
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24330	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Digest #1781
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24331	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Vendor Information Request - The Gilbert Guru ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24332	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24333	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24334	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24335	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24336	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24337	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24338	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24339	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24340	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24341	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Putt Trains Mogul and 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24342	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24343	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Putt Trains Mogul and 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24344	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24345	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Leaving S gauge - Can You Tell Us More About Why?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24346	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: bad E-Bay seller warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24347	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: bad E-Bay seller warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24348	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: pitbull7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24349	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: pitbull7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24350	From: eddiee456	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Vendor Information Request - The Gilbert Guru ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24351	From: eddiee456	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24352	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: pitbull7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24353	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24354	From: skendel	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge and The Gilbert Guru
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24355	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24356	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24357	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24358	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: use AF groups for NASG correspondence among board members or ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24359	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24360	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24361	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Leaving S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24362	From: gino restivo	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: pitbull7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24363	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: product number
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24364	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Putt Trains Mogul and 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24365	From: Chris Foden	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24366	From: jfrr54	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24367	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Blatant commercial!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24368	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24369	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24370	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24371	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: S Scale (1:64 Scale) Promotion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24372	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1789
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24373	From: waldootten	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: The biggest guage of all...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24374	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: The biggest guage of all...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24375	From: firex43	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: AF 322 Hudson Tender Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24376	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Will S-gauge make it?...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24377	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24378	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24379	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Basket weaving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24380	From: Al	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Diesel shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24381	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: The biggest guage of all...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24382	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Chev PU
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24383	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: The biggest guage of all...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24384	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24385	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Ertle Country Fair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24386	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Osgood-Bradley coaches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24387	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24388	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Ertle Country Fair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24389	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Antidote for Leaving S Gauge - Welcome Package
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24390	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Osgood-Bradley coaches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24391	From: William Lange	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Antidote for Leaving S Gauge - Welcome Package
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24392	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24393	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: - American Flyer Lines CD Rom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24394	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24395	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Now you can have Railscope !!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24396	From: eddiee456	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: - American Flyer Lines CD Rom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24397	From: Steve Roche	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Osgood-Bradley coaches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24398	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Schilling Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24399	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: pitbull7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24400	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1791
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24401	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Kaslo PS-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24402	From: John G	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Car axle lubrication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24403	From: R. Sharkey	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1715
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24404	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: new part for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24405	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Get a bigger hammer...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24406	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24407	From: waldootten	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Fun links for watching trains *live* on the computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24408	From: waldootten	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: OOPS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24409	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Fun links for watching trains *live* on the computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24410	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Car axle lubrication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24411	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: New Member Message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24412	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1715
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24413	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: New Member info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24414	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Get a bigger hammer...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24415	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Mr. Rogers Neighborhood Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24416	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Arbor Presses or Riveters???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24417	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: welcome E-mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24418	From: Leonard D	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Thank you for acceptance!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24419	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Thank you for acceptance!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24420	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Arbor Presses or Riveters???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24421	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Car axle lubrication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24422	From: John Foley	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: NMRA convention in Toronto
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24423	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Get a bigger hammer...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24424	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Painting re-pro roadbed....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24425	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24426	From: John Foley	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Fwd: NMRA convention in Toronto
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24427	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: B&O Railroad Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24428	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: .148 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24429	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24430	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: .148 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24431	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Wireless Color Cam ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24432	From: AF336	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: .148 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24433	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Painting re-pro roadbed....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24434	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: NASG Library web page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24435	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Painting/rejuvenating roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24436	From: fivechime@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: 761 Semaphore Operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24437	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Painting re-pro roadbed....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24438	From: AF336	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Horns again....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24439	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24440	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Blatant attempt to sell/trade s gauge stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24441	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24442	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24443	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24444	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24445	From: firex43	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Removing Nailed Down AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24446	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Sources and more sources for AF parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24447	From: JL_lensman	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: AF 758 Semaphore Man Wiring Request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24448	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Car axle lubrication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24449	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24450	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Fun links for watching trains *live* on the computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24451	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - next Offering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24452	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Thank yous!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24453	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: 761 Semaphore wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24454	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24455	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: test ----DELETE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24456	From: RUSSELL A. RAWLING	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: K-Line Wide Radius Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24457	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: City Bus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24458	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: TEST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24459	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Scotch Brite Pads for Cleaning Rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24460	From: Tom	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Pensy Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24461	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Scotch Brite Pads for Cleaning Rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24462	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: test - delete me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24463	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: 943 Flat Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24464	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24465	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Roadbed Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24466	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: S-trains list members.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24467	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Car axle lubrication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24468	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: 943 Flat Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24469	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: 943 Flat Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24470	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: 943 Flat Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24471	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: 943 Flat Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24472	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Car axle lubrication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24473	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: toy boats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24474	From: IronHorse	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24475	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Fun links for watching trains *live* on the computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24476	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24477	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: test - delete this
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24478	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Pensy Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24479	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: track bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24480	From: John Foley	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24481	From: Steve Roche	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24482	From: John Foley	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24483	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: K-Line Wide Radius Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24484	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Wide Radius Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24485	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: track bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24486	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: K-line wide radius track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24487	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Scotch Brite Pads for Cleaning Rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24488	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: 324AC whistle and 'Gilbert Guru'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24489	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: 324AC whistle and 'Gilbert Guru'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24490	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: K-line wide radius track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24491	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - All gone but the SHS Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24492	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Dead Short on loop of track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24493	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commericailism - Panel side hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24494	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: "S" Fellowship
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24495	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Can this really be a Diesel horn?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24496	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Can this really be a Diesel horn?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24497	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Can this really be a Diesel horn?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24498	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: S-trains list members.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24499	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Merry Go Round -2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24500	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Go Round -2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24501	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1795
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24502	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1795
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24503	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: AF track torpedo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24504	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: What is 'Track Torpedo'?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24505	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - additional Offering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24506	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Diesel Roar does not roar!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24507	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: diesel roar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24508	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24509	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24510	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: K-Line S Gauge Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24511	From: Dwight Dold	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: S List Digest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24512	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Lionel E-mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24513	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1795
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24514	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Scotch Brite Pads for Cleaning Rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24515	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: 943 Flat Car?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24516	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel E-mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24517	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Go Round -2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24518	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24519	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Diesel Roar does not roar! (Oh, yes it does! :-) )
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24520	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: 324AC whistle and 'Gilbert Guru'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24521	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: diesel roar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24522	From: AF336	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: diesel roar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24523	From: John G	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24524	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24525	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24526	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?--more prototype adventures.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24527	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: diesel roar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24529	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: 324AC whistle and 'Gilbert Guru'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24530	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Go Round -2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24531	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Scotch Brite Pads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24532	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Durability of AF Swithces
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24533	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: SHS Sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24534	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: SHS Sound options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24535	From: IronHorse	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Can this really be a Diesel horn?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24536	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Go Round
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24537	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24538	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24539	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24540	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Member Count
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24541	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Superman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24542	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Track Torpedo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24543	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Durability of AF Swithces
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24544	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24545	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Member Count
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24546	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1799
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24547	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Roundee-Go-Mare
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24548	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24549	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24550	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Cleanig tracks - a different thought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24551	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Cleanig tracks - a different thought
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24552	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: cleaning track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24553	From: skip64th	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: New train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24554	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Member Count
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24555	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: NWSL motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24556	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: NWSL motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24557	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: New train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24558	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Track Torpedos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24559	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Gilbert Torpedo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24560	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24561	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Torpedo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24562	From: dicklong14052	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: The truth about Gilbert track torpedos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24563	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: New TTOS Car !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24564	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24565	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Moderator Please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24566	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1801
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24567	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: S scale brick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24568	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24569	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: S scale brick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24570	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24571	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Roundee-Go-Mare
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24572	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: March '03 MRN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24574	From: John Brockmann	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Automatic hand-car reversing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24575	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Sorry !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24576	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: Hand Car Stoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24577	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Way off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24578	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: S scale brick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24579	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: WANTED: A.M. 80' U.P. STREAMLINER COACH FOR BUY OR TRADE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24580	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] March '03 MRN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24581	From: Dayna	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] March '03 MRN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24582	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Torpedoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24583	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Automatic handcar reversing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24584	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Railroad Museum link & email for "RailRoad Prynters"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24585	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Question for DC operators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24586	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Well, Waddayano! (was: Sorry!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24587	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: DC Loco direction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24588	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: S scale brick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24589	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: What gauge wire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24590	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Gilbert Never-Mades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24591	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24592	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24593	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: The Acela was orignially called the American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24594	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24595	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24596	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: What gauge wire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24597	From: gino restivo	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: re , GILBERT GURU IS NOT ......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24598	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: What gauge wire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24599	From: waldootten	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Layout wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24600	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: DC direction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24601	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24602	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Cabeese
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24603	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Layout wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24604	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: What gauge wire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24605	From: William Lange	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: First Permanent Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24606	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Automatic handcar reversing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24607	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Jan/Feb 2003 Roundhouse correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24608	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: 324AC Whistle Control Box ... Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24609	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: More catalogs posted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24610	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Vanderbilt tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24611	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Whistle control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24612	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: wiring interconnected loops (was layout wiring question)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24613	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: David Avedesians S Gaugian Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24614	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24615	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: David Avedesians S Gaugian Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24616	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Vanderbilt tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24617	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: More 'Track Torpedoes' !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24618	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: negitive- & + positive on 110
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24619	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Large spade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24620	From: Emily	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: D&RGW History
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24621	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Layout wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24622	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: 930 caboose Body types
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24623	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: positive and negative on 110
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24624	From: tallcornac@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: LTI American Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24625	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Transformer to track wires.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24626	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: negitive- & + positive on 110 PS: On DC wiring the color code
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24627	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: RAIL CLEANING & SCOTCHBRITE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24628	From: waldootten	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: wiring interconnected loops (was layout wiring question)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24629	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: D&RGW History
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24630	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1804
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24631	From: afsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Walthers and SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24632	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Threaded rods
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24633	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Greenberg Shows Sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24634	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24635	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: negitive- & + positive on 110
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24636	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Cabeese & the Virginian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24637	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: First Permanent Layout - Use Foam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24638	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] David Avedesians S Gaugian Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24639	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Thanks for your help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24640	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: VOLTAGE IS AS VOLTAGE DOES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24641	From: Alex	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Re: Automatic handcar reversing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24642	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Re: 930 caboose Body types
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24643	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: S scale Structure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24644	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Re: negitive- & + positive on 110
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24645	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: TTOS new boxcar w/tank
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24646	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West may 3 & 4, sign up NOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24647	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1805
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24648	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Re: D&RGW History
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24649	From: tallcornac@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Am. Flyer Collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24650	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West Tower pics!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24651	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West may 3 & 4, info online NOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24652	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West Info correction!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24653	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Lionel Arbor Press
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24654	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: AF whistles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24655	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24656	From: stanley	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24657	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: 918 Mail Car = $356??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24658	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24659	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Re: CIRCUS CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24660	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Re: 918 Mail Car = $356??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24661	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: strange catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24662	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Re: strange catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24663	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Re: AF whistles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24664	From: John Huster	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: 1955 Dealer Advance Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24665	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: When you get real frustrated post to this sight and keep our happy.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24666	From: David	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: 918 Mail Car = $356??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24667	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: 918 Mail Car = $356?? No - it's the box!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24668	From: IronHorse	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Transformer to track wires.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24669	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: negitive- & + positive on 110
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24670	From: david.avedesian@limbachinc.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: S-Gaugian Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24671	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: JADA Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24672	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24673	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24674	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24675	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24676	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24677	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24678	From: AF336	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: An etiquitte question about ebay.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24679	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24680	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: O/S/Keystone cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24681	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] O/S/Keystone cars/correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24682	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] O/S/Keystone cars/correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24683	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24684	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1808
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24685	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24686	From: firex43	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Track Torpedo, Modern Version
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24687	From: wintermutedm	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Air Chime Controllers on multiple train layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24688	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: keystone cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24689	From: waldootten	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay. ***This smells funny***
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24690	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24691	From: waldootten	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Running two trains on one loop with a 1202
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24692	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24693	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24694	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: eBay truth or ID pirate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24695	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24696	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24697	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24698	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate? PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24699	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24700	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24701	From: AF336	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24702	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: ebay truth or ID pirate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24703	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24704	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Wow! Quick Replies "eBay" card scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24705	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: S-Gaugian Article - David A's Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24706	From: William Lange	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Wow! Quick Replies "eBay" card scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24707	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: 283 loco on ebay....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24708	From: Karl Raab	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: !#@*?! TRAIN STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24709	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24710	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: Air Chime Controllers on multiple train layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24711	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: WARNING..E-BAY SCAM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24712	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24713	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: someone wanted S Scale figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24714	From: David	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24715	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - Another One
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24716	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24717	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: Air Chime Controllers on multiple train layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24718	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - Another One - PA Switcher SOLD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24719	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] 283 loco on ebay....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24720	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24721	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: SPEAKER+++EBAY ITEM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24722	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - Another One - Superliner Set SOLD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24723	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24724	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, nee d assistance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24725	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, nee d assistanc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24726	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Backdrop painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24727	From: Don Abrams	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: EBAY AF speaker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24728	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: AF 751 "Pipe Loader"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24729	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: "eBay" card scam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24730	From: jack nichol	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Consigning collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24731	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24732	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24733	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24734	From: Dayna	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24735	From: amrflr	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24736	From: V KOSOBIECKI	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24737	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24738	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24739	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24740	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24741	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24742	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Goodies for your Easter layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24743	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: S Gaugian--sample issue?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24744	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Goodies for your Easter layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24745	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian--sample issue?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24746	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian--sample issue?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24747	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24748	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24749	From: Robert Johnson	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24750	From: Joseph Matuella	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian--sample issue?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24751	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24752	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24753	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Roadbed suggestions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24754	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Roadbed suggestions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24755	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24756	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: AF AC Walkaround Throttle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24757	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Flyer fest west 4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24758	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer fest west 4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24759	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24760	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: Vintage Trains in Australia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24761	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Vanderbilt tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24762	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24763	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Mag. Mailing Packaging
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24764	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian--sample issue?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24765	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Fwd: LOST MAGAZINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24766	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: S Gaugian, my 2 cents
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24767	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24768	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian, my 2 cents
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24769	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] even more on S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24770	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24771	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] even more on S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24772	From: IronHorse	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: [Fwd: Strange catalog]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24773	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: 1000th member joins S-Scale/S-Trains lists
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24774	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: 1000th member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24775	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: 1000th member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24776	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24777	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] even more on S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24778	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Welcome - 1000th Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24779	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Large SHS Collection for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24780	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member joins S-Scale/S-Trains lists
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24781	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] even more on S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24782	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24783	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Testing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24784	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Large SHS Collection for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24785	From: John Brockmann	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24786	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Welcome garyandkay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24787	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member joins S-Scale/S-Trains lists
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24788	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24789	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: S Gaugian + internet mag
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24790	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24791	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Got any big empty boxes??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24792	From: trzp1800	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: ACSGers in Hot 'lanta this weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24793	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Another S-Gaugian Pluses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24794	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: AF AC Walkaround Throttle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24795	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] S Gaugian + internet mag
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24796	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Could it be, that Gilbert S gauge trains were at the 1939 Worlds Fa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24797	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Another S-Gaugian Pluses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24798	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: Vanderbilt tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24799	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Sunny CA??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24800	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member joins S-Scale/S-Trains lists
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24801	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Chicago Worlds Fair AF train layout did exist. Remember Chicago Fl
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24802	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24803	From: David	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: Could it be, that Gilbert S gauge trains were at the 1939 World
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24804	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Chicago Worlds Fair AF train layout did exist. Remem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24805	From: Alex	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Gentlemen, start your processors and fire up those DCAMs!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24806	From: skendel	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1815
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24807	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: More Brass for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24808	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] More Brass for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24809	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Large SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list (All New)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24810	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: 1939 World's Fair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24811	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: Could it be, that Gilbert S gauge trains were at the 1939 World
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24812	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Circus Passenger Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24813	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24814	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: 719 C B & Q Dumpcar - Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24815	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: 719 help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24816	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1815
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24817	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: more on the 719
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24818	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: 719
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24819	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Sunday Chat ...& 1000th Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24820	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Subject: 719 C B & Q Dumpcar - Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24821	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Any word on Dave Garber
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24822	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24823	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: I still have the AT&SF Passenger F7 for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24824	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Lionel's factory & sales store for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24825	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24826	From: TCS	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24827	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Flyer innovations (was Lionel factory...)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24828	From: eddiee456	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: message from e-bay ref. to ID fraud
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24829	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Die Cast Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24830	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24831	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Easter photos in my album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24832	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: Easter photos in my album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24833	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Whistle controller question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24834	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: 719 Back In Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24835	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1816
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24836	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's factory store for sale ????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24837	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West 4 form correction!! GALT not GAIT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24838	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1816
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24839	From: waldootten	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: Gentlemen, start your processors and fire up those DCAMs!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24840	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Circus coach
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24841	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Seattle GATS report 3/15
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24842	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: Misc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24843	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: ISSD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24844	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: Whistle controller question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24845	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Photos of Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24846	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: Photos of Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24847	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: Photos of Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24848	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West info link on my homepage now.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24849	From: skendel	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1817
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24850	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24851	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24852	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: the different "units"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24853	From: scott ptacek	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: ebay 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24854	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: the different "units"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24855	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: the different "units"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24856	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: A bit of a correction on West Coast S Shows/Conventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24857	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: Re: Photos of Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24858	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: S-Helper Trains for Sale - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24859	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: lead paint on toy trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24860	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: RRTrack enhanced S support
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24861	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: Q about K-Line 54" Curve
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24862	From: Howard	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24863	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: Re: Q about K-Line 54" Curve
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24864	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24865	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24866	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24867	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: coal pusher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24868	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24869	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24870	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24871	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: old repro coal pushers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24872	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24873	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24874	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24875	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Logging Questions...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24876	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: spell checker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24877	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: spell checker & toy trains on TV....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24878	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: spell checker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24879	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Logging Questions...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24880	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: log loader confusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24881	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: 8B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24882	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Its a 787 (not a Boeing commercial aircraftt!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24883	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: monorail Disneyland set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24884	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: monorail Disneyland set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24885	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: 8B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24886	From: Alex	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: spell checker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24887	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Pilot for 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24888	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Pilot for 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24889	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - Limited Edition Southern Crescent Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24890	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: spell checker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24891	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] More Brass for Sale UPDATE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24892	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24893	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: Pilot for 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24894	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Best Transformer to use ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24895	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24896	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: Best Transformer to use ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24897	From: M.McConnell	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Latest Show News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24898	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: best transformer to use?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24899	From: Robert Johnson	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Mac Version of Traintracker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24900	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: AF AC Walkaround Throttle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24901	From: knockbill	Date: 3/20/2003
Subject: 290 pilot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24902	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2003
Subject: Best Transformer to use ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24903	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/20/2003
Subject: Re: Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24904	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2003
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Warning, Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24905	From: tsbikes	Date: 3/20/2003
Subject: Traintracker on a mac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24906	From: finpaul@mindspring.com	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: best transformers to use
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24907	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24908	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Best transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24909	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: Best transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24910	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: Best transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24911	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24912	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24913	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24914	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24915	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24916	From: David	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24917	From: bente and rance	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: wiring interconnected loops (was layout wiring question)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24918	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Track Gang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24919	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: 290 pilot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24920	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: new stuff?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24921	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: - AF 24409 Northern Pacific on eBay....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24922	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Log Cars/Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24923	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: #751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24924	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: CTT APOLOGIZES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24925	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: CTT BONUS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24926	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: CTT BONUS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24927	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: - AF 24409 Northern Pacific on eBay....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24928	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: "Mint or Rare"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24929	From: jackotrains	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: American Models RS 3 #RS3003
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24930	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: steaks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24931	From: John G	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: wiring interconnected loops (was layout wiring question)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24932	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: steaks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24933	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24934	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Acceptable Grading for E-bay and get rid of the BULL!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24935	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: acceptable grading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24936	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Swell working Diesel Horn!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24937	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Events / Links / Websites / Owls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24938	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Really real smoke fluid?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24939	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: A fine way to start a Sunday morning......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24940	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Ebay Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24941	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: It just gets worse and worse....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24942	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Online railroad videos for free download!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24943	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Re: It just gets worse and worse....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24944	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Wanted: 21107 PM Atlantic(s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24945	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Bessemer & Lake Erie 5 car set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24946	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Rare steaks, trains, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24947	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: spam warnings on list email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24948	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: My email isn't working right
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24949	From: bente and rance	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Re: It just gets worse and worse....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24950	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: #751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24951	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Re: #751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24952	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24953	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Re: #751 Log Loader (Log dia.)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24954	From: roninscho9	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: bounced
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24955	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: AM DRGW GP 35 and SHS Caboose on ebay now
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24956	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Re: #751 Log Loader (Log diameter)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24957	From: bente and rance	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale] backdrops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24958	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: #751 Log Loader (Log diameter)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24959	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Dulling Repro Rubber Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24960	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1823
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24961	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: I'm getting closer to get back on eBay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24962	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: spam warnings on list email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24963	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: I'm getting closer to get back on eBay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24964	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Train show.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24965	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: test dis regard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24966	From: ron m	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Are You being Bounced?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24967	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Loud humming(not in my head)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24968	From: ron m	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: An interesting bit of trivia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24969	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Are You being Bounced?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24970	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Are You being Bounced?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24971	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Are You being Bounced?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24972	From: littletown kid	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: New to the group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24973	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale] backdrops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24974	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Automatic operating cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24975	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Loud humming(not in my head)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24976	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: bounced
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24977	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Speaking of spam from Yahoo,....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24978	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24979	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: bounced
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24980	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: not bounced now
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24981	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: not bounced now
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24982	From: David	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Are You being Bounced?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24983	From: David	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24984	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Derails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24985	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24986	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24987	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24988	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: elevator kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24989	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Any on seen any of these products that are
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24990	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24991	From: riechert@pop.phnx.qwest.net	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Are You being Bounced?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24992	From: Don Abrams	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: ebay -- what say you?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24993	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24994	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24995	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: 290 repaint?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24996	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: ACSG Carolinas Division Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24997	From: michael prell	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ACSG Carolinas Division Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24998	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: 751 Log Loader - log diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 24999	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25000	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25001	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25002	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25003	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Make your own spikes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25004	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: detailing underside of over hangs.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25005	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: My Helix project.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25006	From: David	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25007	From: bente and rance	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: ACSG Carolinas Division Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25008	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25009	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Final Call: Advance Pricing on K-Line S Gauge Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25010	From: david.avedesian@limbachinc.com	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: James' "My Helix project"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25011	From: TCS	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25012	From: TCS	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25013	From: TCS	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: [MOPAC] UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25014	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: neutrals and commons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25015	From: TCS	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: [NEWNScaleProducts] Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25016	From: TCS	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25017	From: Ted Walton	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Receiveing plain text (not MassageSoft HTML) for viewing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25018	From: rkuepper	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25019	From: mdg312003	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: An interesting bit of trivia - NOT QUITE !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25020	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: yakfat or neutral?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25021	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: The Buster Keaton article in CTT....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25022	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: 2) DH83FX 2 AMP decoders for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25023	From: Alex	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: RR for food
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25024	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: RR for food
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25025	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: rr for booze
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25026	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Think what ya want about moderators.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25027	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1827
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25028	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1827
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25029	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: #1237 Tube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25030	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1828
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25031	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: ertl
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25032	From: nasglibrary	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25033	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1828
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25034	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: Open House/ more SHS Blatant commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25035	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: 1237 power tube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25036	From: Al Reibel	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Prewar Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25037	From: starr4274	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: 342-343-346 A.F. switcher parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25038	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: RR for food
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25039	From: waldootten	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Food delivered by trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25040	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: not bounced now
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25041	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25042	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Track Wiring 101
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25043	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Trains Community - Trip Reports - File 217
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25044	From: Alex	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] RR for food
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25045	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: RR for food
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25046	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Train food
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25047	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - More/ALL GONE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25048	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Track Wiring 101
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25049	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: I'm getting upset with eBay...!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25050	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Track Wiring 101
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25051	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: I'm getting upset with eBay...!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25052	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Toy Trains - Food for Thought - Snap, Crackle, Pop...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25053	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: #1237
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25054	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: #1237
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25055	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: #1237
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25056	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: wiring 201
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25057	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Electrical wiring 301
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25058	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Sylvania #1237
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25059	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25060	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1829
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25061	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1829
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25062	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Track Wiring 101
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25063	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: #14 Rectifier tube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25064	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Lighting Interiors of AM Passenger Cars After Installing Seats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25065	From: TCS	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Price increase on April 1, 2003
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25066	From: TCS	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Price increase on April 1, 2003
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25067	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: WHILE WE ARE AT IT/ TUBE # 117P7 GT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25068	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Feeder Wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25069	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: WHILE WE ARE AT IT/ TUBE # 117P7 GT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25070	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25071	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1829
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25072	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1829
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25073	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25074	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25075	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25076	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25077	From: littletownkid1952	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: GarGraves track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25078	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1830
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25079	From: TCS	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: [OddballsDecals] Re: Price increase on April 1, 2003
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25080	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: You say repo,..I say repro......(everyone sing!!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25081	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25082	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: American Flyer RED CIRCUS coach......on eBay....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25083	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Experts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25084	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Experts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25085	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25086	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25087	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: 21130 Pilot Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25088	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25089	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Experts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25090	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: 21130 pilot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25091	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: 21130 Pilot Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25092	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Company names, logos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25093	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: UP Licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25094	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: NO track torpedoes, just a commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25095	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: UP Licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25096	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Stop Clowning Around - The geratest show in the world....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25097	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Price increase on April 1, 2003
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25098	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Track Feeders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25099	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25100	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25101	From: waldootten	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25102	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Sunset S Scale GP7 and GP9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25103	From: AF336	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25104	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: TrainWeb.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25105	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: (Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25106	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: (Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25107	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Test Message - Please ignore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25108	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: S-Trains - Yet another Test Message - Please Ignore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25109	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25110	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: SantaFe - How Much - $, $$, $$$
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25111	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25112	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, $$, $$$
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25113	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25114	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25115	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: S Fest West is coming!! Check it out!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25116	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, $$, $$$
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25117	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25118	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: S-Trains - Yet another test - Please ignore...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25119	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, and newspaper ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25120	From: tsbikes	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Bridge modules???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25121	From: bente and rance	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Bridge modules???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25122	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: 'Follow the wall' layout question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25123	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 'Follow the wall' layout question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25124	From: rkuepper	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 'Follow the wall' layout question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25125	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, and newspaper ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25126	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, and newspaper ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25127	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, and newspaper ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25128	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: 630 Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25129	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Bridge modules???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25130	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose/body removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25131	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25132	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: AF Floodlight Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25133	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose/body removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25134	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, and newspaper ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25135	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 'Follow the wall' layout question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25136	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Baby Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25137	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25138	From: rkuepper	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25139	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1830
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25140	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25141	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25142	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25143	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: AF Floodlight Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25144	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: unknown
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25145	From: Euell Johnson	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25146	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25147	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25148	From: TCS	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Price increase on April 1, 2003
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25149	From: firex43	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: 630 Caboose Shell Removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25150	From: waldootten	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25151	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Choo-Choo Auctions hacked !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25152	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Trolley Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25153	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Repair of Switch Bases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25154	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Repair of Switch Bases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25155	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Track Wiring 101
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25156	From: David Engle	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25157	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Current status of the IATR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25158	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25159	From: splitdorf@1bigred.com	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25160	From: trzp1800	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose/body removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25161	From: trzp1800	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose/body removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25162	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25163	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Repair of Switch Bases
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25164	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Current status of the IATR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25165	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: searchlight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25166	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Testing!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25167	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Trolley Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25168	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Trolley Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25169	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1833
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25170	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: I'm BAAACK!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25171	From: waldootten	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: 293 wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25172	From: softmoods@vcn.com	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Excursion Announcement - List Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25173	From: jack nichol	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Estate Sale of postwar Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25174	From: Ted Larson	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: church
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25175	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: 293 wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25176	From: David	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: 293 wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25177	From: AF336	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: 293 wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25178	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: 293 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25181	From: Al	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: AF track diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25182	From: John Brockmann	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: April CTT-Where is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25183	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: April CTT-Where is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25184	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: SHS Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25185	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: April CTT-Where is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25186	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: 1:64 Horse Drawn Wagon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25187	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: CTT WHERE IS IT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25188	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: AF track diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25189	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Where??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25190	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: 1:64 Horse Drawn Wagon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25191	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Ebay Lisitngs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25192	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: searchlight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25193	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: April CTT-Where is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25194	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: Where??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25195	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: AF track diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25196	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Rex Suburban Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25197	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: A.F. Floodlight Car conductivity /enhancement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25198	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: Switch base repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25199	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Current Detector
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25200	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Cicle of track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25201	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25202	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1835
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25203	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: I'm back on eBay...!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25204	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] SHS Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25205	From: TCS	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Fw: UP Licensing Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25206	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: I'm back on eBay...!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25207	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: A.F. Floodlight Car conductivity /enhancement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25208	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25209	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: Cicle of track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25210	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: Bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25211	From: M.McConnell	Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: 293 wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25212	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Someone wanted info on casting tires. This guy may be helpfull
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25213	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Drill Sizes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25214	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: This is my first try on e-bay, Can use your feed back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25215	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Web Sites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25216	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1837
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25217	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Re: Web Sites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25218	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - American Models Limited Edition Southern Crescent Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25219	From: TCS	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25220	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25221	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: This just in from Flyer Fest West Headquarters!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25222	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/5/2003
Subject: TEST ONLY-----delete
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25223	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/5/2003
Subject: Blatant ad--April Specials
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25224	From: tsbikes	Date: 4/5/2003
Subject: Module construction pics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25225	From: G Nichol	Date: 4/5/2003
Subject: Want Database
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25226	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: new boxcar kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25227	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: AF radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25228	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1840
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25229	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1840
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25230	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: The Circle Game
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25231	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Re: The Circle Game
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25232	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1840
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25233	From: Ted Walton	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Book information
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25234	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Re: The Circle Game, no train!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25235	From: eric.reis	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: books for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25236	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Men on 740 Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25237	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: paint or ink
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25238	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Want to buy a Monorail system from Disney?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25239	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Rail Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25240	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Cross overs conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25241	From: David	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: Want to buy a Monorail system from Disney?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25242	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: Cross overs conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25243	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: Men on 740 Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25244	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Blatant eBay ad....1959 Ford p/u auction....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25245	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: AF 24409 Northern Pacific Reefer on eBay......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25246	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - New Offering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25247	From: Lori	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: semaphore house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25248	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: AF 24409 Northern Pacific Reefer on eBay......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25249	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: going in circles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25250	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: going in circles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25251	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: PAINT OR INK -- RUBBER STAMPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25252	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: semaphore house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25253	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: going in circles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25254	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Going in Even More Circles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25255	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Cross overs conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25256	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Railroad songs.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25257	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25258	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: circle-o -friends
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25259	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Re: going in circles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25260	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: PAINT STAMP INK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25261	From: Al	Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Is everyone dizzy from all these circles.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25262	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: Is everyone dizzy from all these circles.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25263	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Ring 0f Fire (was circle-o -friends)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25264	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: Is everyone dizzy from all these circles.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25265	From: waldootten	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Frozen screws on smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25266	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Ontario, Ca.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25267	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: Railroad songs.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25268	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: TTOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25269	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: Frozen screws on smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25270	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Bigger Wick holes..!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25271	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: Frozen screws on smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25272	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Fwd: TTOS Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25273	From: elinashusband	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Boiler front problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25274	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: Boiler front problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25275	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25276	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains From South Africa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25277	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: Boiler front problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25278	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Boise Depot Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25279	From: Thomas Curley	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: switch terminology??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25280	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: Boiler front problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25281	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: switch terminology??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25282	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Ad Man
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25283	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: mail car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25284	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: mail car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25285	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Boiler front problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25286	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: mail car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25287	From: sjtlrr	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: New Tom Yorke kit in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25288	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1844
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25289	From: louis glumac	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: mail car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25290	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West registration Deadline! Forget the Taxes, come to th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25291	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Boiler Front Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25292	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Boiler Front Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25293	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Re: New Tom Yorke kit in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25294	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Ertl Tractor Pull Sets For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25295	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: New kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25296	From: elinashusband	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Boiler Front Problem Resolution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25297	From: TCS	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Railbox Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25298	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Re: engine bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25299	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: (Smaller Again Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25300	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25301	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25302	From: browndw141@cs.com	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25303	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: I'm looking for a Pentrex SP video....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25304	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: I've been sniped;)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25305	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25306	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Mail trains.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25307	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: S Gauge thread on OGR: Comments Re Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25308	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Ertl Tractor Pull Sets For Sale - LAST CALL!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25309	From: hgetrain	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25310	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25311	From: browndw141@cs.com	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25312	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: switch terminology?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25313	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25314	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: subroadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25315	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25316	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25317	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25318	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25319	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25320	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25321	From: Stan Koci	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25322	From: seg60133	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: 476 Rocket B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25323	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: 476 Rocket B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25324	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25325	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Ertl Tractor Pull Sets For Sale - ALL GONE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25326	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: Mail trains.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25327	From: Mike Vana	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Multiple Scale Modellers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25328	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: Multiple Scale Modellers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25329	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: frozen screws on smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25330	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25331	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25332	From: rep928	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: World's Fair Model Railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25333	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: RPO from Scenery Unlimited...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25334	From: David	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: 476 Rocket B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25335	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: 476 Rocket B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25336	From: rettram	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: OV Digital edition 2003-029
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25337	From: lamontcranston1946	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Scenery Unlimited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25338	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1848
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25339	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: New S-Scale.org Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25340	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: mail trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25341	From: eddiee456	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25342	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: eBay Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25343	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: K-line Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25344	From: TCS	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25345	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25346	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25347	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1848
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25348	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: Scenery Unlimited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25349	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25350	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25351	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: I don't like ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25352	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25353	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25354	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Email Address!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25355	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Layout Visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25356	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25357	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25358	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25359	From: hgetrain	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: K-line Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25360	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: $#@&*% E-bay Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25361	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: $#@&*% E-bay Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25362	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25363	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25364	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: American Models UP and AT&SF GP-35 Engines for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25365	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25366	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: I don't like ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25367	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Song by Rusty Draper about an IRS agent "The Train go's though the
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25368	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Re: K-line Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25369	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Re: I don't like ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25370	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Re: K-line Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25371	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Re: K-line Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25372	From: The Sagers	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: All "crossed-up"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25373	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Gilbert Patents
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25374	From: waldootten	Date: 4/17/2003
Subject: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25375	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/17/2003
Subject: Hey!! One of my 651's has plastic windows!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25376	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/17/2003
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25377	From: waldootten	Date: 4/17/2003
Subject: Got the "new" 336 workin'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25378	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Got the "new" 336 workin'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25379	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Hey!! One of my 651's has plastic windows!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25380	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Train prices & York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25381	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Train prices & York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25382	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Hey!! One of my 651's has plastic windows!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25383	From: beechcricker	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Innards of Operating Water Tank #596
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25384	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Train prices & York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25385	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Train prices & York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25386	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: dry transfers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25387	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Hey!! One of my 651's has plastic windows!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25388	From: beechcricker	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Stock Car not vibrating
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25389	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Calculator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25390	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Opps!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25391	From: J Carnes	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Train prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25392	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Hey!! One of my 651's has plastic windows!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25393	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: train prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25394	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: train prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25395	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: train prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25396	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Got the "new" 336 workin'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25397	From: waldootten	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Got the "new" 336 workin' and I am a stupid!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25398	From: waldootten	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Rollers -- I was a stupid again....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25399	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Last call for the BBQ at Flyer Fest West!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25400	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: About them 651's again.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25401	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1853
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25402	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Patents
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25403	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Bridge Abutments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25404	From: eric.reis	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Train prices & York & inflation calculator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25405	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Brass For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25406	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25407	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Sniping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25408	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25409	From: John Harvey	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Beechworth Model Railway Display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25410	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1853
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25411	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25412	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25413	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] ebay ooops no link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25414	From: mdg312003	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25415	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Got the "new" 336 workin' etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25416	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Failure - Let's Get Real
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25417	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Failure - Let's Get Real
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25418	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] ebay ooops no link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25419	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Bridge Piers/Abutments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25420	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Bridge Piers/Abutments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25421	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: 2003 NASG National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25422	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Failure - Let's Get Real
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25423	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Gilbert would not have survived.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25424	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25425	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25426	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25427	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Ebay high prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25428	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25429	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25430	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25431	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25432	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Hydrocal Structures - Mainline Modeler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25433	From: Robert Wight	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25434	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25435	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25436	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25437	From: mdg312003	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25438	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25439	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25440	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Continuing thread about GHO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25441	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25442	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: gilberthofiasco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25443	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Bashing Tom???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25444	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] gilberthofiasco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25445	From: mdg312003	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: OK I think this will end the Gilbert HO saga
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25446	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilberthofiasco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25447	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: eBay auctions.....ya snooze-ya loose!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25448	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: On the lighter side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25449	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: On the lighter side...HO....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25450	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Whooda-Thunkitt (was: gilberthofiasco)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25451	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: What's in a name?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25452	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: S-Trains - Missing Person - WWF War of The Worlds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25453	From: rettram	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: OV Digital edition 2003-032
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25454	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25455	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: E-Bay Billing Scam - Again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25456	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Reputations are Important
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25457	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25458	From: rfgiardina	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: Reputations are Important
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25459	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: MTH RR Crossing Flashers with Sound.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25460	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: MTH RR Crossing Flashers with Sound.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25461	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: S-Trains - Missing Person - WWF War of The Worlds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25462	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: E-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25463	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Kadee Coupler Height Gauge For S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25464	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: eBay auctions.....soporific problems...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25465	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: repro circus set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25466	From: Lance McCold	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Myrtle Beach SC railroading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25467	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: HOCKEY >HOCKEY..What else ..eh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25468	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: My latest eBay auction.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25469	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: The FAT LADY SINGS>>>>
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25470	From: Karl Raab	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach SC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25471	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: My latest eBay auction.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25472	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Hockey????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25473	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Clarification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25474	From: rfgiardina	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: Clarification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25475	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: Clarification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25476	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Train stores in Myrtle Beach and Charleston, SC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25477	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Brass For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25478	From: jaytewilli	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Question for Gilbert HO Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25479	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: Question for Gilbert HO Collectors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25480	From: afjeff_56	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Scratchbuilding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25481	From: David Engle	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25482	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: railroad memorabilia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25483	From: waldootten	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding & glue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25484	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Homosote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25485	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: looking up existing Steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25486	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: Homosote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25487	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: e-bay...they same?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25488	From: rfgiardina	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: e-bay...they same?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25489	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: e-bay...they the same?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25490	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: Glue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25491	From: David	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: e-bay...they same?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25492	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: e-bay...they same?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25493	From: mdg312003	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Thank You Scott - This Has to END -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25494	From: Ruth Leahy	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Las Vegas Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25495	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Kaslo Shops Distributing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25496	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re NYC Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25497	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: Kaslo Shops Distributing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25498	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: Kaslo Shops Distributing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25499	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: Kaslo Shops Distributing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25500	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25501	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: (Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25503	From: cwhowell2	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: GP-7 Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25504	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: NASG Members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25505	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: S-Train Manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25506	From: David	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: Re: GP-7 Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25507	From: rettram	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: OV Digital edition 2003-033
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25508	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: Fwd: NYC 19000 Series Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25509	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: One reason you don't see me around much now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25510	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: One reason you don't see me around much now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25511	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Yahoo Spam..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25512	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: David's problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25513	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Rail cleaning fluid question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25514	From: David	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: One reason you don't see me around much now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25515	From: lou342ac	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Pilgrimage to York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25516	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25517	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: David's problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25518	From: hgetrain	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25519	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: LOOKING FOR MICHAEL KANE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25520	From: Tim	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25521	From: Tom Cullen	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1861
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25522	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25523	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Yahoo spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25524	From: lou342ac	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25526	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25527	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25528	From: David	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25529	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: New Lionel Steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25530	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25531	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Liquid Nails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25532	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25533	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Liquid Nails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25534	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25535	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Liquid Nails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25536	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25537	From: beechcricker	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: North Carolina Hobby Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25538	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25539	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Bachmann Gnomy cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25540	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: York Report for H1 Gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25541	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Bachmann Gnomy cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25542	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25543	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25544	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: S-train manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25545	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: List Management
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25546	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: The "dropper" or the "Drop-ee"....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25547	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25548	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25549	From: iradiate1967	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Sell or trade hirail stuff for scale stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25550	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Rebels With Disposable Income (washingtonpost.com)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25551	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: York Report for H1 Gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25552	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: River Raisin S Scale J-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25553	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: List Management
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25554	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: River Raisin S Scale J-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25555	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: York Report for H1 Gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25556	From: Richard Snook	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: warning...silly question below!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25557	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: River Raisin S Scale J-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25558	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: S-train manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25559	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: S-train manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25560	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: S-train manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25561	From: iradiate1967	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: 651 baggage car for sale/trade, non lighted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25562	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: S-train manufacturers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25563	From: Emily	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Switch Controls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25564	From: Tim	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: Switch Controls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25565	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: NYC Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25566	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: Switch Controls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25567	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: B&O Wagon Top Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25568	From: eric reis	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: S Gauge herald magazines for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25569	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: York Report for H1 Gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25570	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Our "New" home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25571	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1864
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25572	From: David	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: Our "New" home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25573	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: digest 1864
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25574	From: iradiate1967	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Need a roomate for NASG convention??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25575	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1864
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25576	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: digest 1864
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25577	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Help with an old Rex Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25578	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Re: LIST MANAGEMENT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25579	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25580	From: Alex	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Re: Our "New" home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25581	From: Robert Wight	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Re: LIST MANAGEMENT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25582	From: knockbill	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: 0-8-0 tender, York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25583	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Re: Bachmann Gnomy cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25584	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: April Dispatch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25585	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Die Cast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25586	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 4/30/2003
Subject: Anthracite railroad digest.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25587	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 4/30/2003
Subject: Gilbert Milk Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25588	From: Al	Date: 4/30/2003
Subject: Gnomy Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25589	From: Al	Date: 4/30/2003
Subject: David Dewey's new home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25590	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25591	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: Re: Our "New" home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25592	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: uncoupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25593	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: Re: uncoupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25594	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: Re: 973 milkcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25595	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: Delayed Track plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25596	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: 1/64 R C vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25597	From: Jay	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: No apologies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25598	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: R C Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25599	From: Neil Becker	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Idea for Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25600	From: iradiate1967	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Surplus for sale, last 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25601	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: Idea for Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25602	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: Idea for Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25603	From: knockbill	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: 592 Crossing gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25604	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: ( S ) e-Bay Engine's sold - prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25605	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: Idea for Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25606	From: iradiate1967	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: 2 boxcars are gone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25607	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Virginian Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25608	From: David	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: ( S ) e-Bay Engine's sold - prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25609	From: Chris Foden	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: Virginian Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25610	From: Tim	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Recent projects
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25611	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1868
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25612	From: keith kuzma	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: recent projects
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25613	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: 1/64 R C vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25614	From: knockbill	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: 592 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25615	From: Roger Walton	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: wiring a 592 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25616	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Other gauges lookjing at "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25617	From: waldootten	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Re: Recent projects
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25618	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumoing car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25619	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: At Last - Completed Poultry Car Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25620	From: Chris Foden	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Re: At Last - Completed Poultry Car Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25621	From: knockbill	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Crossing gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25624	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumoing car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25625	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Bull_Gator_1's Poultry car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25626	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Re: SHS 2003 Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25627	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Coal tray
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25628	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumping car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25629	From: Earl Henry	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Trying to get into chat group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25630	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Re: Trying to get into chat group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25631	From: knockbill	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: 919 dumping car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25632	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: First Flyer Fest Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25633	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: RR house boats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25634	From: aglorince	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: american models s scale kits overstock sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25635	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: First Flyer Fest Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25636	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25637	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25638	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: SMOKE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25639	From: knockbill	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: puffers/smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25640	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: puffers/smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25641	From: Bradley	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: puffers/smoke (21168)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25642	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: RS-3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25643	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Trying to get into chat group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25644	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25645	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25646	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West IV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25647	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumoing car - pick-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25648	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: BASIC stamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25649	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25650	From: John G	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25651	From: joe messinger	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Need Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25652	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25653	From: keith kuzma	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25654	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25655	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumping car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25656	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25657	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumoing car - pick-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25658	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25659	From: Tim	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25660	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Puffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25661	From: knockbill	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: puffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25662	From: rogersteel	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Bridges / Trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25663	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: BASIC Stamp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25664	From: joecraig60514	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: I do not get posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25665	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: Bridges / Trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25666	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25667	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: First Flyer Fest Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25668	From: waldootten	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Smokin' Baldwins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25669	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Baldwin Can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25670	From: trainspeak	Date: 5/7/2003
Subject: American Flyer collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25671	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/7/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25672	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/8/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25673	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 5/8/2003
Subject: 9 new S gauge layout plans w/ 3d drawings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25674	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/8/2003
Subject: greatest puffers and chuffers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25675	From: Tim	Date: 5/8/2003
Subject: Cleaning Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25676	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/8/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25677	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: 355 with Tufoil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25678	From: fnmichong	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25679	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumping car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25680	From: IronHorse	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: Bridges / Trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25681	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West IV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25682	From: John Harvey	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: storage boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25683	From: trzp1800	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: storage boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25684	From: jaytewilli	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumping car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25685	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25686	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25687	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/10/2003
Subject: Re: NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25688	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/10/2003
Subject: Re: NASG CONVENTIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25689	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25690	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25691	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/10/2003
Subject: S-list member count....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25692	From: Tim	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Ultra-sonics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25693	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Bidding for Trouble (TechNews.com)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25694	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Back from vacation & Flyer West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25695	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Re: Ultra-sonics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25696	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Re: Back from vacation & Flyer West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25697	From: TCS	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: New photos add at................
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25698	From: stanley	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: e bay item 3130369704
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25699	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Re: e bay item 3130369704
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25700	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: 24636
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25702	From: David	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: Re: e bay item 3130369704
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25703	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25704	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: ebay item 3130369704
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25705	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25706	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer Production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25707	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: I started a new Poll...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25708	From: trainman634	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: Insulating track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25709	From: Bradley	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: ebay item 3130369704
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25710	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: Baldwin can motor kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25711	From: David	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: Re: ebay item 3130369704
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25713	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: Roof vent detail for AM/SHS 72' Passenger Cars?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25714	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: Custom Franklin project number two - Mercer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25715	From: Tim	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: Re: Custom Franklin project number two - Mercer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25716	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: 25046
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25717	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: center bam flats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25718	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: AF Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25719	From: eddiee456	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25720	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25721	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25722	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25723	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25724	From: David Engle	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25725	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25726	From: David Engle	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25727	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Train Shows in OH, WV, PA this weekend??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25728	From: trainman634	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: American Models Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25729	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: American Models Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25730	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1880
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25731	From: Tim	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: American Models Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25732	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: American Models Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25733	From: mdg312003	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar found
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25734	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25735	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: guard rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25736	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: Re: guard rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25737	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: Re: guard rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25738	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] guard rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25739	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: (Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25740	From: Jim Schiele	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: VTC Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25741	From: Al	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: AF Calendars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25742	From: Ted Larson	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: from Sn3 list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25743	From: Jim Schiele	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: VTC Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25744	From: littletownkid1952	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: Re: Calanders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25745	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: New Poll - S-Trains Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25746	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: Re: Seaboard Coal Loader Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25747	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: Calenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25748	From: rkuepper	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Lehmann Gnomy Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25749	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Pick your brain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25750	From: rfgiardina	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Re: Pick your brain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25751	From: Robert Wight	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Re: Pick your brain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25752	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Re: Lehmann Gnomy Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25753	From: rkuepper	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Bobber caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25754	From: Alex	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Re: Pick your brain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25755	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: 25046
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25756	From: Tim	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: 25046
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25757	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: 25045
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25758	From: G Nichol	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: American Flyer Collection Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25759	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: photo from inside back cover M2798 Booklet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25760	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1884
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25761	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Communication devices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25762	From: trzp1800	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: 25045
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25763	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: 25045
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25764	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: A. C. Gilbert #D1637 1951 Catalog Online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25765	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: 25045
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25766	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: repro rockets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25767	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Downsizing&thinning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25768	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: S Spree report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25769	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: S Scale F7 Antennas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25770	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: great website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25771	From: lamontcranston1946	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25772	From: knockbill	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: rockets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25773	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: rockets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25774	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: S Spree report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25775	From: louis glumac	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: rockets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25776	From: Michael Greene	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25777	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: great response
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25778	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: S Spree News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25779	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: K-Line S-Gauge Locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25780	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: S Spree report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25781	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S-Gauge Locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25782	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: S fest west pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25783	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25784	From: Alex	Date: 5/20/2003
Subject: Re: Pick your brain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25785	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/20/2003
Subject: AF 336- Replacing pull-mor tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25786	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2003
Subject: Illinois Central E8s ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25787	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/20/2003
Subject: NASG Membership
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25788	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/20/2003
Subject: AF 336-Replacing pul-mor tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25789	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/21/2003
Subject: Re: AF 336- Replacing pull-mor tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25790	From: Ted Larson	Date: 5/21/2003
Subject: painting horses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25791	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 5/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1887
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25792	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1887
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25793	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: collector items which are fake. Very interesting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25794	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: Re: painting horses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25795	From: V KOSOBIECKI	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: The lord is wise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25796	From: V KOSOBIECKI	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: Sorry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25797	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: Re: Sorry - (You must have the C-Nile Virus on your Computer)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25798	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Art's Magazine Idea -- Is this the Answer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25799	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: Memorial Day weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25800	From: TCS	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: heads up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25801	From: TCS	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: heads up!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25802	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/23/2003
Subject: Dispatch and taxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25803	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2003
Subject: trade for high rail couplers&
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25804	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: Testing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25805	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: I guess not!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25806	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: Re: I guess not!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25807	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: Re: I guess not!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25808	From: hsjobbins	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: S'nS Baldwin Upgrade Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25809	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: Re: Testing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25810	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: RailModel Journal Not In Poll?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25811	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/26/2003
Subject: S Mag.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25812	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/26/2003
Subject: SMOD Series Part 4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25813	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/26/2003
Subject: S Scale PRR F7 Antenna Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25814	From: Don Abrams	Date: 5/26/2003
Subject: ebay -- delete if not interested.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25815	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/26/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- delete if not interested.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25816	From: waldootten	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Continental Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25817	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Spiking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25818	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: My old idea take in all 1/64 products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25819	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: Continental Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25820	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Continental Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25821	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Plastic surgery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25822	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- delete if not interested.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25823	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- delete if not interested.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25824	From: Ruth Leahy	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Semaphore Man
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25825	From: aglorince	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: Continental Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25826	From: John G	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: 584 Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25827	From: John G	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: Semaphore Man
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25828	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: 584 Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25829	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Fire engines .......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25830	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Great article on train wreck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25831	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: Ol' Sam,..the Semaphore Man
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25832	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Boxcar ink Removal!!! Do not try this!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25833	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - More SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25834	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: Boxcar ink Removal!!! Do not try this!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25835	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: ebay auctions knowing end price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25836	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: [ Boxcar ink Removal!!! Do not try this!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25837	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: ebay auctions knowing end price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25838	From: keith kuzma	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: ebay auctions knowing end price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25839	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: ebay auctions knowing end price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25840	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Trying to find Tom Boldt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25841	From: joecraig60514	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: wide radius track question/still no digests
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25842	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: I finally found a site for Fiber Optics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25843	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: CRANE PARTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25844	From: tigge55@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Re: Fire engines .......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25845	From: IronHorse	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Re: Continental Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25846	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: GE 44 tonner wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25847	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Soldering flextrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25848	From: Chris	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: 326 large motor or small?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25849	From: erielackawanna76	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Circuit for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25850	From: Alan Evans	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Soldering flextrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25851	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Soldering flextrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25852	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Re: Flex track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25853	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: question about Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25854	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Re: question about Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25855	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Re: question about Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25856	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Re: 326 large motor or small?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25857	From: waldootten	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Re: question about Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25858	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Site for Fiber Optics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25859	From: The Youngs	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Fw: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25860	From: Howard	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Re: question about Putt Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25861	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Highrail track/wheel gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25862	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25863	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25864	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Maybe a $1,000 for that 584 signal on ebay! Egad!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25865	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25866	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25867	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25868	From: rfgiardina	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25869	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: FOR SALE SHS REFFERS NEW IN THE BOX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25870	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: FOR SALE SHS REFFERS NEW IN THE BOX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25871	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] FOR SALE SHS REFFERS NEW IN THE BOX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25872	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: FOR SALE WHISTLE CONTROL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25873	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Lionel Gilbert AF Seaboard Coal Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25874	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: coal loader/saw mill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25875	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25876	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25877	From: davidreft	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Selling some of my AFL collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25878	From: rettram	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: OV Digital edition 2003-042
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25879	From: RFG	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25880	From: Neil Becker	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Copyright on "American Flyer"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25881	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: Copyright on "American Flyer"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25882	From: rfgiardina	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: Copyright on "American Flyer"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25883	From: rfgiardina	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: Copyright on "American Flyer"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25884	From: rkuepper	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Cable suspension bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25885	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25886	From: stanley	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25887	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: SHS REEFERS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25888	From: gino restivo	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: ref to ,set # 1126 ? , 1956
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25889	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: S Scale F7 set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25890	From: waldootten	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling -- THE SOLUTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25891	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: S Scale F7 set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25892	From: chasesmithus	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: AM SD60 with plow and scale dummy coupler mounted on the front.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25893	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling -- THE SOLUTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25894	From: John A. Conant	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Rail Cleaner (and then some)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25895	From: iradiate1967	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Spare parts, trucks for sale or swap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25896	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: BLATANT AD: AMERICAN MODELS 4BAY HOPPERS 4 SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25897	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: BLATANT AD PS:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25898	From: waldootten	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Scott's right
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25899	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Toronto National Train Show canceled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25900	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Re: GNOMY KABEESEE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25901	From: firex43	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: AF Baldwin Repower Articles and Ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25902	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/3/2003
Subject: Baldwin motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25903	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/3/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] BLATANT AD: AMERICAN MODELS 4BAY HOPPERS 4 SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25904	From: srgriggs	Date: 6/3/2003
Subject: Re: Copyright on "American Flyer"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25905	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: Re: Copyright on "American Flyer"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25906	From: knockbill	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: 0-8-0 tender base
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25907	From: aglorince	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: am overstock still available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25908	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: Copyrights and Trademarks,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25909	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: Re: Copyrights and Trademarks,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25910	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: Have an AM G.N. 80' Empire Builder Sleeper to TRADE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25911	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: ANNOUNCING 28TH ANNUAL FALL S-FEST & S-FEST CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25912	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25913	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: Re: Copyrights and Trademarks,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25914	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25915	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25916	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING 28TH ANNUAL FALL S-FEST & S-FEST CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25917	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING 28TH ANNUAL FALL S-FEST & S-FEST CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25918	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: AM HOPPERS & REEFERS BLANTANT AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25919	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25920	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: The missssing link...........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25921	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: 360 Diesel Santa Fe War-bonnet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25922	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Camphor, Cedar, is this the "Smoke"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25923	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] The missssing link...........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25924	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] 360 Diesel Santa Fe War-bonnet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25925	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25926	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Off topic: Historic rate needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25927	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Pantographs and overhead operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25928	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re: The missssing link...........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25929	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] 360 Diesel Santa Fe War-bonnet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25930	From: firex43	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: AF Wheelset Gauging
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25931	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25932	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] 360 Diesel Santa Fe War-bonnet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25933	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25934	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Off topic: Historic rate needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25935	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Off topic: Historic rate needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25936	From: carltonlowry	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: EBay Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25937	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re: EBay Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25938	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Re: EBay Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25939	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Re: EBay Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25940	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Sourcde of Rivet Heads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25941	From: butchclimax	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Deadman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25942	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Monorail for modern layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25943	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Re: Deadman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25944	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Re: Deadman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25945	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Re: Deadman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25946	From: Neil Becker	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: K-Line S gauge cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25947	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Deadman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25948	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Momentary Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25949	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Momentum Deacceleration Speed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25950	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25951	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: DC transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25952	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Re: Momentum Deacceleration Speed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25953	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Re: Momentary Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25954	From: David Engle	Date: 6/9/2003
Subject: Re: Momentary Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25955	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/9/2003
Subject: Re: MRC PurePower AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25956	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/9/2003
Subject: Clinic at NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25957	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2003
Subject: Re: MRC PurePower AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25958	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/9/2003
Subject: Railway Days train show Calgary Alberta(Heritage Park)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25959	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: Re: Clinic at NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25960	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: Re: Clinic at NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25961	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: Re: Clinic at NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25962	From: rexputt	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: Rex Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25963	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: Yahoo groups problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25964	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: yahoogroups problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25965	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 6/11/2003
Subject: Toronto update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25966	From: downtowndeco	Date: 6/11/2003
Subject: S Scale business for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25967	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 6/11/2003
Subject: (Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25968	From: TCS	Date: 6/11/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25969	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 6/12/2003
Subject: Track Gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25970	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 6/12/2003
Subject: Sights to see around Nashville/Indianapolis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25971	From: David Engle	Date: 6/12/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Track Gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25972	From: aglorince	Date: 6/12/2003
Subject: train show /depot days at orrville, oh.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25973	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 6/13/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1908
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25974	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/13/2003
Subject: Blatant AD - Magazines and manuals for sale on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25975	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/13/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25976	From: rkuepper	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: AF Union Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25977	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: The new AF Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25978	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: The new AF Baldwin -(2)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25979	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin -(2)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25980	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin -(2)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25981	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Union Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25982	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: BLATANT E-BAY AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25983	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25984	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25985	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25986	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Re: BLATANT E-BAY AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25987	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25988	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25989	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25990	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25991	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25992	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: 1999 TCA CHEVRON TANK CAR #4599
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25993	From: trainspeak	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: Need help identifying an AC Gilbert accessory please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25994	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: FW: Steamer options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25995	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Newfangled Baldwins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25996	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: "PA"/"PB"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25997	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: K-Line cars arrived today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25998	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 25999	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA vs FA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26000	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA/PB Query
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26001	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: To A.E. Johnson ABBA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26002	From: David	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: Need help identifying an AC Gilbert accessory please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26003	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26004	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26005	From: Thomas J. Pennington	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26006	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26007	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26008	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26009	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] PA/PB Query
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26010	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26011	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA/PB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26012	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Alphabet Soup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26013	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA/PB Machines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26014	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA/PB discussion.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26015	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Alpabet soup indeed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26016	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: PA/PB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26017	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Many traction motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26018	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26019	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26020	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA/PB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26021	From: aglorince	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26022	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26023	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: PA/PB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26024	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26025	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: A.C. Gilbert For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26026	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26027	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26028	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26029	From: Mike Vana	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Alco corrections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26030	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Alco corrections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26031	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: MD/PA/VA/WV shows 6/21 & 6/22
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26032	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26033	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff - Link to neat photo!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26034	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26035	From: knockbill	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: 342 DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26036	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: C or GP?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26037	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Re: 342 DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26038	From: aglorince	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Re: MD/PA/VA/WV shows 6/21 & 6/22
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26039	From: Al	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Used GarGraves Track For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26040	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Re: MD/PA/VA/WV shows 6/21 & 6/22
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26041	From: Mike Vana	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: CVSR C420 365
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26042	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: K-Line "S" boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26043	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] CVSR C420 365
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26044	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26045	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Oops, wrong list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26046	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26047	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: Oops, wrong list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26048	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: Yahoo groups problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26049	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26050	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26051	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: early construction equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26052	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: Oops, wrong list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26053	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: Yahoo groups problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26054	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: early construction equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26055	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26056	From: Hansen, Bruce x4383	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: PA diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26057	From: starr007	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: 342 AF S.I.T Tender parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26058	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Need detailing parts for ERTL GP-35
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26059	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: PA/PB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26060	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26061	From: Al	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: GarGraves Track for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26062	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Marx cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26063	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: BK switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26064	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Show schedules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26065	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Sorry for the duplicate post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26066	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Virus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26067	From: plotnick	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Little Engine that Could
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26068	From: Mike Vana	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: PA replacement trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26069	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: PA replacement trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26070	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: American Models....Phone number?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26071	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26072	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Ribbon Wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26073	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: American Models....Phone number?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26074	From: bimorph	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: FS AF Track,Switches, Rub Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26075	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: train news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26076	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Re: train news
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26077	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Re: train wrecks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26078	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Re: Ribbon Wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26079	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1917
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26080	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26081	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: AF shows up in the strangest places!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26082	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Pine Canyon Models, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26083	From: rebendever	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide is Coming Back!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26084	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1917
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26085	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Re: American Models Phone number
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26086	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: SHS 2-8-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26087	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Ribbon wire for switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26088	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: More ribbon wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26089	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Ribbon Wire request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26090	From: trzp1800	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Re: Ribbon Wire request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26091	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Ribbon Wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26092	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1918
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26093	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Wiring to switches/diodes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26094	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26095	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Lehigh Valley Mine--Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26096	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring to switches/diodes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26097	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring to switches/diodes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26098	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: 4007 diode and light bulb saver.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26099	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Re: Ribbon Wire request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26100	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: diodes for higher current
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26101	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: high intensity 'aircraft tower/rotary beacon'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26102	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26103	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Sorry, No Subject was actually a big subject!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26104	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: SHS Diesel wheelsets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26105	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: Re: switch lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26106	From: keith kuzma	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: diodes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26107	From: rebendever	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: QUELCH THE RUMORS AND SPREAD THE GREAT NEWS! THE S/Sn3 MODELING G
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26108	From: Gale Hall	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: GP sideframes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26109	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1919
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26110	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: Re: switch lamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26111	From: Gale Hall	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: Sideframes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26112	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: Were does your city rank?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26113	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: Off topic -- need reporting marks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26114	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: Re: Off topic -- need reporting marks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26115	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Where does your city rank?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26116	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] FW: [S-Scale] Where does your city rank?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26117	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] FW: [S-Scale] Where does your city rank?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26118	From: waldootten	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: AF club in Chicago?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26119	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: "Need reporting marks" Was On Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26120	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Where does your city rank?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26121	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26122	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Scale Rumors URL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26123	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: S History
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26124	From: plotnick	Date: 6/25/2003
Subject: Chicagoland S-Gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26125	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/25/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26126	From: afjeff_56	Date: 6/26/2003
Subject: S Clubs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26127	From: Dayna	Date: 6/26/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26128	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/26/2003
Subject: Diodes and Solenoids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26129	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/26/2003
Subject: diodes and solenoids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26130	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/26/2003
Subject: Jet Train presentation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26131	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Email Change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26132	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Winter Set on eBay shows yellowing...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26133	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Re: Winter Set on eBay shows yellowing...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26134	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26135	From: hunbet	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26136	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26137	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Re: Winter Set on eBay shows yellowing...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26138	From: Steve Jones	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: NASG 2003 National Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26139	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: Clinic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26140	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: Capacitors and Transient Suppressors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26141	From: Bradley	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: Snow Panel Yellowing And Reproduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26142	From: Debbie & Ben	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: S/sn3 Modeling Guide *NEW* WEB SITE IS UP .... ALMOST!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26143	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: FA/FB, E-units, and Consolidations.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26144	From: Steve Jones	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: NASG 2003 Convention - Convention Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26145	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: transient suppressors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26146	From: butchclimax	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: 2 step reverser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26147	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: Re: 2 step reverser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26148	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: Re: 2 step reverser
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26149	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: S/sn3 Modeling Guide: Looks Good
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26150	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: E-units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26151	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: An unusal American Flyer Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26152	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26153	From: lou342ac	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: American S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26154	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: Transients and TV reception
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26155	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: transients and TV reception
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26156	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: transients and tv reception and Nephew
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26157	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Commutator segments???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26158	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: extreme transients
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26159	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: transient extremes of AF Commutators revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26160	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: transient extremes of AF Commutators revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26161	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26162	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1926
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26163	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: transient extremes of AF Commutators revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26164	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: Transients and TV reception
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26165	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: Transients and TV reception
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26166	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: Transients and TV reception
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26167	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: Transients and TV reception
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26168	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: transient suppression
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26169	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: diodes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26170	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: Re: diodes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26171	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: transient suppression
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26172	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: WORK STATION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26173	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: Re: transient suppression
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26174	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: Re: transient suppression
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26175	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: 2006 convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26176	From: Alex	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: transient suppression
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26177	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: diode current sharing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26178	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: transient suppression / ELECTRO MAGNETIC RADIATION!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26179	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Gas-Electric
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26180	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26181	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26182	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: 30B parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26183	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Lamps and transient suppression
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26184	From: Tim	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Comutator arcing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26185	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: Commutator arcing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26186	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: transients, etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26187	From: Alex	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: transients, etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26188	From: butchclimax	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: For Sale/Wanted...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26189	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Hi Tom et al> transients & suppression
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26190	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Just in time for your holiday viewing!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26191	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: 307 Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26192	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Re: Just in time for your holiday viewing!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26193	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Gilbert Microscope
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26194	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Car 715
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26195	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Re: Car 715
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26196	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: eBay item 2938366757 (Ends Jul-04-03 224457 PDT ) - INVISIBLE FRENC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26197	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Q's about Baldwin Switchers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26198	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: KC Adjustments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26199	From: gelocoguy	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: 2004 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26200	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Re: KC Adjustments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26201	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Baldwin Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26202	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: K Line S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26203	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: INVISIBLE FRENCH FRY only 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26204	From: rfgiardina	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: KC Adjustments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26205	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: Q's about Baldwin Switchers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26206	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: KC Adjustments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26207	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: K Line S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26208	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: glues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26209	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: Q's about Baldwin Switchers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26210	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: KC Adjustments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26211	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: SHS CNW Stock Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26212	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: Q's about Baldwin Switchers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26213	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Rocket Sled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26214	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: Q's about Baldwin Switchers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26215	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Q's about Baldwin Switchers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26216	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26217	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26218	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26219	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: Q's about Baldwin Switchers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26220	From: dav21248	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: K-line S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26221	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26222	From: lou342ac	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: K-Line S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26223	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: K-Line S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26224	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26225	From: rj4010d	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: K-Line S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26226	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26227	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26228	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26229	From: Karl Raab	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re K-Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26230	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Painting old AF cars, a terrible mistake?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26231	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Re K-Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26232	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26233	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Painting old AF cars, a terrible mistake?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26234	From: trzp1800	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26235	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Check the names -- introduce yourself
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26236	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: K Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26237	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Need help RE: AF - K-Line track spacing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26238	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Painting old AF cars, a terrible mistake?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26239	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1932
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26240	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Couplers link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26241	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Painting old AF cars, a terrible mistake?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26242	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26243	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26244	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: K-Line Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26245	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26246	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26247	From: G Nichol	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: K5423T 283 FREIGHT SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26248	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26249	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: 2 vs 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26250	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] RE: Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26251	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Paint Stripping/Cleaning AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26252	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Paint Stripping/Cleaning AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26253	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Sound board / talking station?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26254	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26255	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: E unit how does it work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26256	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1932
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26257	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Re: E unit how does it work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26258	From: lou342ac	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Re: Sound board / talking station?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26259	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26260	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Re: E unit how does it work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26261	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Re: Paint Stripping/Cleaning AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26262	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Removing paint/Dishwasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26263	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Electronic E unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26264	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Re: Electronic E unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26265	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26266	From: nasglibrary	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Mobley Library vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26267	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers link to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26268	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: 2003 NASG convention video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26269	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Chev
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26270	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: Results on Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26271	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: Live from the NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26272	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: Re: Live from the NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26273	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: Certainly Not Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26274	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: Re: Live from the NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26275	From: Al	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: DON'T USE PINESOL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26276	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Live from the NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26277	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: NASG Convention - surprising debut!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26278	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: Re: Electronic E unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26279	From: dphobbies@earthlink.net	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Convention - surprising debut!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26280	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: [Fwd: S scale cattle]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26281	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: Chionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26282	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: Lets try this again- Convention Debut
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26283	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Chionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26284	From: David	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Sound board / talking station?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26285	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Chionel / Would be great in kit form!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26286	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Lets try this again- Convention Debut
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26287	From: Bradley	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Railroad Wedding - just for fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26288	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Railroad Wedding - just for fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26289	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Convention update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26290	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26291	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Convention update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26292	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: New Lionel Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26293	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: MTH Coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26294	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Railroad Wedding - just for fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26295	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: MTH COAL LOADER BLATANT AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26296	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/12/2003
Subject: Survey - 'Got Steam' in your future?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26297	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/12/2003
Subject: Re: Railroad Wedding - just for fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26298	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/12/2003
Subject: In Need of Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26299	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/12/2003
Subject: 2003 Lionel Catalog 2 Price List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26300	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/12/2003
Subject: MTH COAL LOADER FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26301	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Shell removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26302	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Re: Shell removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26303	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Re: 307 Shell Removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26304	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Re: Shell removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26305	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Shell removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26306	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Re: GOT STEAM IN YOUR FUTURE?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26307	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: A. C. Gilbert #D1782 1955 Catalog Now Online - Unusal!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26308	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26309	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26310	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26311	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26312	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26313	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26314	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26315	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26316	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26317	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Membership renewals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26318	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Membership renewals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26319	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26320	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Lionel Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26321	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: New NASG VP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26322	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: 'S' Gauge Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26323	From: carltonlowry	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26324	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: new Lionel steam loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26325	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Vintage Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26326	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Lionel Mikado Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26327	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26328	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26329	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: K-line cars - height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26330	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26331	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: K-line cars - height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26332	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26333	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: K-line cars - height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26334	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: New Lionel Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26335	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Lionel Disney cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26336	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: K-Line Big Boy: News and Comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26337	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: New Lionel Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26338	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Process of re-chroming plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26339	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Disney cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26340	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Disney cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26341	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy: News and Comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26342	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Can motors for Gilbert ALCO's and GEEPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26343	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Process of re-chroming plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26344	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy: News and Comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26345	From: Neil Becker	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Membership renewals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26346	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Process of re-chroming plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26347	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] New NASG VP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26348	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26349	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy: News and Comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26350	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: New Lionel Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26351	From: David	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Removing Dry Transfers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26352	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26353	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: sound board 4 talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26354	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26355	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26356	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26357	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26358	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26359	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26360	From: TCS	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: New group on yahoo - MoPac Modeling.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26361	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26362	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Removing Dry Transfers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26363	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Fwd: FW: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26364	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26365	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26366	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26367	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26368	From: keith kuzma	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26369	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26370	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Fwd: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26371	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26372	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26373	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, and K-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26374	From: hgetrain	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26375	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Scale] John Foley, Immediate Executive Vice President N
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26376	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26377	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Process of re-chroming plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26378	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Process of re-chroming plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26379	From: TCS	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: url for Mopac Modeling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26380	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26381	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26382	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Lionel Chionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26383	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Process of re-chroming plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26384	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26385	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: 1953 vs 2003 Re: FW: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26386	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: new production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26387	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: A F 2-8-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26388	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: new production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26389	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: new production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26390	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: "S" Options.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26391	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Tehachapi Loop & K-Line rolling stock...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26392	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: K-Line Tanker/AF tanker photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26393	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26394	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26395	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1945
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26396	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Engine Driivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26397	From: David	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Removing Dry Transfers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26398	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Lionel Set - Track? Transformer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26399	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] new production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26400	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] new production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26401	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1945
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26402	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: new production, etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26403	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: IMPORTANT__Dangerous Fraud, was: Re: Removing Dry Transfers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26404	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26405	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: Engine Driivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26406	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26407	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: new production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26408	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: new production
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26409	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Linonel Mike Passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26410	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: Linonel Mike Passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26411	From: slizerian	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Gorgeous new S scale stuff from Paper Creek Model Works!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26412	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Lionel Mikado issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26413	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Recent questions answered by earlier posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26414	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: S gauge cars for Anheiser Bush, McDonalds, State Farm, Morton Salt?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26415	From: Neil Becker	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: AF 2-8-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26416	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: 2003 NASG Convention - View From The Hinterlands, Part Deux
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26417	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: AF 2-8-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26418	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: switching
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26419	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 NASG Convention - View From The Hinterlands, Part Deux
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26420	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Gilbert Diesel can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26421	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: Recent questions answered by earlier posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26422	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: New B&O 2-8-2 and pass cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26423	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: B&O "Wagon top" Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26424	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Painting over chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26425	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Bit of trouble at S-Scale.org and S-Trains photo Albums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26426	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: Recent questions answered by earlier posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26427	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1947
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26428	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: Recent questions answered by earlier posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26429	From: rettram	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26430	From: knockbill	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: painting chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26431	From: starr007	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: 342 S.I.T. engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26432	From: aglorince	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: train show, pittsburgh, pa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26433	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26434	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: HO OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26435	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: Painting over chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26436	From: Al Reibel	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: HO OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26437	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: painting over chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26438	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: HO OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26439	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26440	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: painting over chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26441	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: HO OFF TOPIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26442	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Lionel Mikado catalog page with pictures...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26443	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado catalog page with pictures...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26444	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado catalog page with pictures...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26445	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Tanker car consist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26446	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Tanker car consist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26447	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Wiring the 600 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26448	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: The movie "High Noon"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26449	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Tanker car consist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26450	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado catalog page with pictures...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26451	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring the 600 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26452	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring the 600 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26453	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: painting over chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26454	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring the 600 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26455	From: J Carnes	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Lionel Mikado - voltage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26456	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado - voltage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26457	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Lionel Mikado issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26458	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado - voltage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26459	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: The movie "High Noon"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26460	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Might not make Chat--family crisis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26461	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Sluggish diesel motors, lazy Alco's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26462	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Linda's father Passed Away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26463	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: MTH COAL LOADER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26464	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: TRAINS FOR SALE AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26465	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26466	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1949
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26467	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1949
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26468	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1949
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26469	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1949
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26470	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine - Why Does Lionel WebSite Say O Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26471	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: New B&O 2-8-2 and pass cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26472	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine - Why Does Lionel WebSite Say O Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26473	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: painting over chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26474	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: painting over chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26475	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado catalog page with pictures...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26476	From: Tim	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Find the flaws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26477	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1950
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26478	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Tractors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26479	From: David	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Huge Auction Coming Up.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26480	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26481	From: Hall G	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26482	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: painting over chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26483	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Find the flaws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26484	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1950
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26485	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Link Period....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26486	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26487	From: Edward G.	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26488	From: Dennis Back	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26489	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26490	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26491	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Flaws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26492	From: Tim	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Find the flaws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26493	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26494	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26495	From: G Nichol	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26496	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Find the Flaw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26497	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26498	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26499	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Find the Flaw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26500	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Ebay lisitngs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26501	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: HUGE OVAL OF TRACK FOR SALE K-LINE 54" radii
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26502	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Telephones and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26503	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel pricing-ADV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26504	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs?? Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26505	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26506	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Original Gilbert Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26507	From: Hall G	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Old AF repair help; Thanks!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26508	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26509	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Old AF repair help; Thanks!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26510	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26511	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: SHS photos of 2-8-0 detail parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26512	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26513	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26514	From: trzp1800	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: ACSG Upcoming Shows - Y'all Come
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26515	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1952
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26516	From: waldootten	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Another eBay scam -- FRAUD ALERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26517	From: waldootten	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: MORE on eBay FRAUD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26518	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26519	From: rfgiardina	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1952
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26520	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: S & S - Baldwin Re-Motor Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26521	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Telephones and Hearing aids....Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26522	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26523	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: S-n-S Remotor of a K325 plus rewiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26524	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26525	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Hearing aids....Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26526	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26527	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] RE: [S-Scale] NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26528	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Diesel Bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26529	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Telephones and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26530	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: glue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26531	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: glue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26532	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Glue + for Windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26533	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26534	From: david.avedesian@limbachinc.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1947
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26535	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1954
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26536	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1954
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26537	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26538	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Lionel mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26539	From: starr007	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: cleaning white walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26540	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: cleaning white walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26541	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning white walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26542	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning white walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26543	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: cleaning white walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26544	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: cleaning white walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26545	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: Another eBay scam -- FRAUD ALERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26546	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Hearing aids....Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26547	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26548	From: Tim	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: National Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26549	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: Another eBay scam -- FRAUD ALERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26550	From: knockbill	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: cleaning white walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26551	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning white walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26552	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Off Topic Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26553	From: knockbill	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: re; cleaning white walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26554	From: lou342ac	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning white walls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26555	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/27/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26556	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/27/2003
Subject: Leheigh Models B&O Wagontop Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26557	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: New Central PA club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26558	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: boxcar loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26559	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26560	From: the Reis's	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Missouri Pacific Pass set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26562	From: John Huster	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Blatant Commercial Sale Message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26563	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: New Album - Barb's Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26564	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: S Scale Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26565	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: KINSMART CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26566	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: KINSMART CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26567	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Re: New Album - Barb's Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26568	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] New Album - Barb's Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26569	From: tigge55@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Re: S Scale Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26570	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Re: New Album - Barb's Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26571	From: David	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: sound board 4 talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26572	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: sound board 4 talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26573	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: sound board 4 talking station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26574	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: American Flyer HO Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26575	From: Tim	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Nice going!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26576	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Barb's layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26577	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: New Album - Barb's Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26578	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Barb's Layout?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26579	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Kinsmart
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26580	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Kinsmart again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26581	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: Barb's Layout?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26582	From: waldootten	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Weird thinking by the Big "L", yes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26583	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: Weird thinking by the Big "L", yes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26584	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: Weird thinking by the Big "L", yes?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26585	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Farm Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26586	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: bar codes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26588	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Farmin' n' Truckin'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26589	From: David	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: The Ultimate Steam Loco Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26590	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Foam Scenery Modules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26591	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: Foam Scenery Modules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26592	From: waldootten	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: Foam Scenery Modules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26593	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Re: Foam Scenery Modules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26594	From: Tim	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Re: Foam Scenery Modules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26595	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Railways program
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26596	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Re: Railways program
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26597	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Custom 1/64 Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26598	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Custom 1/64 Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26599	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Custom 1/64 Truck for real this time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26600	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Custom 1/64 Truck Last Time I'm Trying
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26601	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Custom 1/64 Truck Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26602	From: Hall G	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: American Flyer O gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26603	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: LVM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26604	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: More on the Foam scenery.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26605	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Boy Oh Boy Industries
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26606	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Re: Boy Oh Boy Industries
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26607	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26608	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Making custom decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26609	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Re: Making custom decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26610	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: End of Baldwin introductory price
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26611	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: 2003 Lionel Book 2 American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26612	From: Hall G	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: American Flyer O gauge for sale update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26613	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Remember Valley Forge?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26614	From: Arden Goehring	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Remember Valley Forge?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26615	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: Re: REMEMBER VALLEY FORGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26616	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: Fw: Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26617	From: John Huster	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: Older American Flyer By Lionel For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26618	From: John Huster	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: Older SHS For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26619	From: John Huster	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: New Southwind Models EM-1 For Sale-$2,500
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26620	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26621	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: Access to Yahoo Groups Pictures and Files
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26622	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: Boley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26623	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: Blatant Ad--Make Me An Offer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26624	From: TCS	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: heh all!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26626	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: Fw: Blatant Ad--Make Me An Offer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26627	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: Re: Access to Yahoo Groups Pictures and Files
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26628	From: Hall G	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: making your own decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26629	From: Hall G	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: train pattern sheets/material?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26630	From: David	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Set Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26631	From: hudsonman1088	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Boy Oh Boy industries
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26632	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: AF Steam & DCC Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26633	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1960
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26634	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Re: AF Steam & DCC Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26635	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26636	From: John G	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Re: train pattern sheets/material?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26637	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: More items on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26638	From: Hall G	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26639	From: Kenny.C.Palmer@phil.frb.org	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Re: up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26640	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26641	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Jerry Rivet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26642	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Re: up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26643	From: waldootten	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: More on K-Line Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26644	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26645	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1964
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26646	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Should we be wary of this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26647	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Re: Should we be wary of this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26648	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Re: Should we be wary of this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26649	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Re: making your own decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26650	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Re: train pattern sheets/material?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26651	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: K-Line Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26652	From: hudsonman1088	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: smoke units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26653	From: Hall G	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Decal paper/Big Boy/skirting for layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26654	From: hgetrain	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26655	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26656	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26657	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Ebay cancel auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26658	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: MODEL TRAIN RUBBER ROADBED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26660	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay cancel auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26661	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Re: Piedmont & Northern box cab drawings.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26662	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: K-Line Big Boy, Command Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26663	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Chicago/Lake Michigan sites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26664	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Re: Chicago/Lake Michigan sites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26665	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: [S] Groups getting kids involved in the hobby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26666	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Decals, printers etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26667	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Re: [S] Groups getting kids involved in the hobby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26668	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Re: Chicago/Lake Michigan sites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26669	From: Joe Fariello	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Fw: Please read for possible virus -follow up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26670	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: A&W
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26671	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: LAF steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26672	From: TCS	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Fw: modelers showcase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26673	From: TCS	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: modelers showcase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26674	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Johnson Roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26675	From: TCS	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Re: [FC] modelers showcase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26676	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Re: [S] Groups getting kids involved in the hobby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26677	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1967
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26678	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Alco A unit shell and GP-7 sideframes with coupler mounts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26679	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Re: Alco A unit shell and GP-7 sideframes with coupler mounts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26680	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: OLD PRICES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26681	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: 1966 PRICES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26682	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: worm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26683	From: Karl Raab	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Searching for #40 Smoke kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26684	From: Gerald Booker	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Track Trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26685	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: A.F. O scale Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26686	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Re: Track Trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26687	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Re: A.F. O scale Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26688	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Re: Track Trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26689	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Searching
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26690	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Re: Foam Scenery Modules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26691	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Track Trouble and More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26692	From: John Brockmann	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Loco Tips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26693	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: ALCO/GEEP can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26694	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Gene Fletcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26695	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: FOX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26696	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26697	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: fine tuning the MTH reproduction of log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26698	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Bob Bubeck's Flyer layout....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26699	From: butchclimax	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: "Logs"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26700	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: Bob Bubeck's Flyer layout....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26701	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: passenger details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26702	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: "Logs"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26703	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: "Pirates of the Caribbean" & "Spooky Town"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26704	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: NASG presentation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26705	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: "Pirates of the Caribbean" & "Spooky Town"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26706	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: A.F. 26739?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26707	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: Bob Bubeck's Flyer layout....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26708	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26709	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: Bob Bubeck's Flyer layout....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26710	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26711	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: Loco Tips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26712	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: A.F. 26739?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26713	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Choo Choo sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26714	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: worm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26715	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: Choo Choo sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26716	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: "Pirates of the Caribbean" & "Spooky Town"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26717	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Layout fotos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26718	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Choo Choo sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26719	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Third time is the charm? (not really train related)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26720	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Third time is the charm? (not really train related)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26721	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Third time is the charm? (not really train related)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26722	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Choo Choo sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26723	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Choo Choo sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26724	From: Mike Vana	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Choo Choo sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26725	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Choo Choo sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26726	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26727	From: aglorince	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: worm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26728	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: worm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26729	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: NASG presentation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26730	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: worm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26731	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Choo Choo sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26732	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Orlando Great American Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26733	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: VIRUS - moderator message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26734	From: Tim	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26735	From: lou342ac	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: LEMACO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26736	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26737	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26738	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 NASG UP Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26739	From: Tim	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26740	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26741	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Who is it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26742	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Great American Train Show/KC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26743	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: GATS in Ventura-CA.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26744	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: New Haven show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26745	From: Tim	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26746	From: Tim	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: New Haven show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26747	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: 2003 NASG UP Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26748	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: New Haven
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26749	From: rayklesc	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Update to Model Railroad Hobby Web Site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26750	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1972
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26751	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: passenger details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26752	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: New Haven show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26753	From: louis glumac	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: train shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26754	From: Dennis Back	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: To dust or NOT to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26755	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: A few more Ebay listings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26756	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26757	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: N.S. code 125 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26758	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: N.S. code 125 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26759	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26760	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26761	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: To dust or NOT to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26762	From: Howard	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: Great American Train Show/KC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26763	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26764	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26765	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Alco/Geep can motor conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26766	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1973
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26767	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26768	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Last Call: Lionel 2003 Book 2 AF Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26769	From: Howard	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26770	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26771	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26772	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26773	From: rkuepper	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26774	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26775	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26776	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26777	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26778	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26779	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26780	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26781	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26782	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26783	From: John Huster	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: August 24th Clevland Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26784	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: 759 improvement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26785	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26786	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26787	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26788	From: John Brockmann	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: 21156 Docksider Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26789	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 21156 Docksider Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26790	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 21156 Docksider Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26791	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust - Toto, we not in Kansas anymore...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26792	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26793	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26794	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26795	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Some Sale Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26796	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26797	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26798	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26799	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust - Toto, we not in Kansas anymore...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26800	From: Howard	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26801	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1975
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26802	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: [SSTOT] Digest Number 48
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26803	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: blackout report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26804	From: jaytewilli	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Skirt Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26805	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: Skirt Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26806	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: Skirt Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26807	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26808	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Skirt Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26809	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: skirt repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26810	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: skirt repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26811	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: York motels....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26812	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: Computer help....Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26813	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: Computer help....Off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26814	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: skirt repair -- heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26815	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: skirt repair -- heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26816	From: Michael Greene	Date: 8/16/2003
Subject: Re: New Haven show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26817	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1976
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26818	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/16/2003
Subject: Gene Fletcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26819	From: jhwysopal	Date: 8/16/2003
Subject: skirt repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26820	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/16/2003
Subject: Re: skirt repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26821	From: John Brockmann	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Docksider help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26822	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Docksider help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26823	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26824	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Paint Schemes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26825	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: passenger details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26826	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Just curious.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26827	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26828	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26829	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26830	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26831	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26832	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26833	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Farewell, Gene
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26834	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Archives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26835	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26836	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26837	From: XENOZOICMAN@AOL.COM	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Upcoming show in CLEVELAND Ohio
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26838	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: K-Line rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26839	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26840	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26841	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: AF on TV kids program
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26842	From: David	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: AF on TV kids program
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26843	From: SSabino39@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: New Haven Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26844	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Rocket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26845	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: AF on TV kids program
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26846	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: New Haven Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26847	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: Rocket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26848	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26849	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: AF on TV kids program
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26850	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: For those who didn't watch Davey & Goliath....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26851	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26852	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Flyonel...Paint loss??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26853	From: carl tuveson	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel...Paint loss??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26854	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel...Paint loss??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26855	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: AF on TV kids program
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26856	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: Rocket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26857	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26858	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: Re: Chroming, or re-chroming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26859	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: NASG cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26860	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26861	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1979
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26862	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: FLYONEL us K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26863	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: Re: FLYONEL us K-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26864	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: 0N3 Passenter cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26865	From: redhat662001	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: 2004 NASG Flyer annual offer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26866	From: Jim V	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: 775 Baggage Loading Platform
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26867	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: Re: 775 Baggage Loading Platform
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26868	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: baggage loading platform
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26869	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: eBay item 2428407755 (Ends Aug-26-03 193829 PDT) - 1995 American Fl
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26870	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/20/2003
Subject: List Management Change
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26871	From: Karl Raab	Date: 8/20/2003
Subject: RDC's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26872	From: martyl11	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: RS-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26873	From: wd511	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26874	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: Re: RS-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26875	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: Re: RDC's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26876	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: just asking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26877	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: Re: just asking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26878	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: How about better trucks in FLYONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26879	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: How about better trucks in FLYONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26880	From: John Brockmann	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: Chroming, or re-chroming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26881	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Expert Opinions on an early GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26882	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: Expert Opinions on an early GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26883	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Early GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26884	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] didn't Lionel eventually buy American Flyer...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26885	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26886	From: Kielek Family	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: Chroming, or re-chroming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26887	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: Chroming, or re-chroming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26888	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: just asking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26889	From: Tim	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26890	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: Track Repair?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26891	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: Expert Opinions on an early GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26892	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: Track Repair?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26893	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: converting to DC (was cranky 283)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26894	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: 370 w/Link bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26895	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Dear Earthlink User - off topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26896	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26897	From: Tim	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26898	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26899	From: Tim	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26900	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26901	From: hgetrain	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: converting to DC (was cranky 283)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26902	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: ubexpensive AF fun (was just asking)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26903	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: unexpensive AF fun (was just asking)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26904	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Re: RDC's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26905	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Update - Mysterious Message from Chuck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26906	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: 2004 NASG car possibility
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26907	From: Kielek Family	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: CPR Mult-pressure 2-10-4 8000
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26908	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: AM's New 30 and 75 Degree Crossings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26909	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26910	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Franklin headlight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26911	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Mail Check
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26912	From: Howard	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Re: AM's New 30 and 75 Degree Crossings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26913	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Franklin Loco, again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26914	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: layout plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26915	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: 2004 NASG car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26916	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: layout plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26917	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Re: layout plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26918	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: trades
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26919	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26920	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1985
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26921	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26922	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: Re: AM's New 30 and 75 Degree Crossings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26923	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: NASG Promotions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26924	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26925	From: waldootten	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: AM's 30 and 75 degree crossings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26926	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: layout plans II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26927	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: CJSS Fall Get Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26928	From: jaytewilli	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: What's So Special??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26929	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] What's So Special??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26930	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] What's So Special??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26931	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: What's So Special??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26932	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: What's So Special??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26933	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: what's so special?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26934	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: What's So Special??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26935	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: what's so special?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26936	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: 929 Stock car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26937	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: What's So Special??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26938	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: 641 Gray Gon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26939	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: 929 Stock car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26940	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: 641 Gray Gon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26941	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: What's So Special??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26942	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Duplicate posts...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26943	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: 641 Gray Gon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26944	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26945	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26946	From: Edward G.	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: A Totally different subject....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26947	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: KC Star article/Roy Inman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26948	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] barns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26949	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: F-9 repair horror story - own fault?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26950	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1987
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26951	From: nasglibrary	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Carnes collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26952	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: Carnes collection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26953	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1986
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26954	From: William Lange	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Layout plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26955	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Layout software.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26956	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: 54mm question....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26957	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Metric conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26958	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: 54mm question....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26959	From: Karl Raab	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: 54mm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26960	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26961	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: FW: 28 mm (was Cows & other animals)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26962	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Backdrop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26963	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: FW: 28 mm (was Cows & other animals)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26964	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26965	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: FW: 28 mm (was Cows & other animals)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26966	From: John Harvey	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: 54mm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26967	From: aglorince	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: FW: 28 mm (was Cows & other animals)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26968	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] A horny question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26969	From: starr007	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: endfence for 654, 954 heavyweight car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26970	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: American Flyer Motor parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26971	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Leslie horns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26972	From: Bruce Willis	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: Hudson prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26973	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26974	From: trainman634	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: Most Produced Roadname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26975	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: Re: Hudson prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26976	From: David	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: Re: Hudson prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26977	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: [Fwd: results]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26978	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: K-Line Catalog 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26979	From: Edward G.	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: Off Topic..>>> 60% contained But BC still Burning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26980	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Dallee Electrionics constant lighting units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26981	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: Most Produced Roadname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26982	From: David Engle	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: Most Produced Roadname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26983	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: 54mm question....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26984	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Dave Deal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26985	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: #930 Caboose light...HELP!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26986	From: Al Galli	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: help with AF 556
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26987	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: #930 Caboose light...HELP!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26988	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: "S" list member count.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26989	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: help with AF 556
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26990	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Flyer Geep frame
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26991	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: test only for DAVID DEWEY----Delete....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26992	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: 54mm question....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26993	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: most produced roadname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26994	From: carltonlowry	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: 370, 371, 372, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26995	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2003
Subject: Re: help with AF 556
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26996	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2003
Subject: Re: most produced roadname
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26997	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/31/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26998	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: Alco question - Which alco is right?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 26999	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: B&LE hopper/ AF prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27000	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: Re: Alco question - Which alco is right?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27001	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: 755 Talking Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27002	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: 755 Talking Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27003	From: littletownkid1952	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: GarGaves S gauge sectional track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27004	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: Re: GarGaves S gauge sectional track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27005	From: carl tuveson	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: Conifer Trees for cheap.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27006	From: Roger Haag	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27007	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: Re: Alco question - Which alco is right?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27008	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Re: Conifer Trees for cheap.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27009	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Re: Gargraves track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27010	From: jaytewilli	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: 15B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27011	From: hgetrain	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Re: Alco question - Which alco is right?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27012	From: Ted Larson	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Corner Tavern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27013	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27014	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: SHS Locomatic controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27015	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Locomatic cintroller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27016	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27017	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Re: Ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27018	From: John Huster	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Sold Out SHS Cars On EBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27019	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: 15B transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27020	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27021	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] viruses, again....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27022	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27023	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1994
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27024	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Re: Request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27025	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: [S trains] a docksider question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27026	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: [S trains] For your information RFDTV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27027	From: William Lange	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27028	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: AF FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27029	From: John G	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Re: 15B transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27030	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] a docksider question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27031	From: John Huster	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: My ebay /SHS Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27032	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: Blantant SHS commericalism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27033	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: My ebay /SHS Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27034	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: a docksider question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27035	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: a docksider question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27036	From: Wayne Daren	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1995
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27037	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: Request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27038	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: Conifer Trees for cheap.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27039	From: Hall G	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: American Flyer O gauge not for sale!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27040	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Circuit Breaker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27041	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: [S trains] a docksider question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27042	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Wanted: 651 0r 951 shell.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27043	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Mail Check - Again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27044	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Mail Check
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27045	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: circuit breaker placement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27046	From: Bradley	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] For your information RFDTV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27047	From: Al	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: 2 American Flyer TTUX for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27048	From: jaytewilli	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27049	From: Al Galli	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: AF HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27050	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27051	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: folded figure eight layout ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27052	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27053	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27054	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: folded figure eight layout ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27055	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge and Hobby Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27056	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: 20% Off SALE-Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27057	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27058	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1996
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27059	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Orlando S Gauge// Help Identify??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27060	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Orlando S Gauge..Dick Schlott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27061	From: David Engle	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Orlando S Gauge..Dick Schlott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27062	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1996
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27063	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Orlando S Gauge..Dick Schlott
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27064	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27065	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27066	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27067	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Metric conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27068	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1997
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27069	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: AF Track 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27070	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: Hudson prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27071	From: Steve Roche	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: York newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27072	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: York newbie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27073	From: theheadliner@topeka.net	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27074	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: What track does Lionel use?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27075	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27076	From: amerflyr@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Wooden Base on a #15 Rectifier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27077	From: David	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27078	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: What track does Lionel use?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27079	From: Robert Wight	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: 372 new truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27080	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Orlando S Gauge// Help Identify??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27081	From: jayhoo64	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Orlando S Gauge// Help Identify??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27082	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: One More Yahoo Check - Please Ignore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27083	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Wooden Base on a #15 Rectifier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27084	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: wheels spinning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27085	From: Lance McCold	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Storing AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27086	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: wheels spinning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27087	From: Frederick Raab	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Shelburne Museum layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27088	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27089	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: November Model Railroader's Track Article on S Scale Track - Previe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27090	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Talking Station Record
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27091	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Getting NMRA Acceptance For NASG S Scale Track Gauge - Any Word?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27092	From: Michael Greene	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Getting NMRA Acceptance For NASG S Scale Track Gauge - Any Word?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27093	From: srgriggs	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Anybody use the Lionel Rico Station on their layout?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27094	From: Kielek Family	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Anybody use the Lionel Rico Station on their layout?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27095	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: Getting NMRA Acceptance For NASG S Scale Track Gauge - Any Word?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27096	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1999
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27097	From: Neil Becker	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Bangzoom's TrainTracker v.5.0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27098	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1999
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27099	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: ONLY 53 MORE DAYS TIL FALL S-FEST IN ST. LOUIS! RESERVE NOW!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27100	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: Hudson prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27101	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] Hudson prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27102	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: New K line/Marx cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27103	From: TCS	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: ATT hobby dealers only!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27104	From: Hansen, Bruce x4383	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1999
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27105	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: 21160 wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27106	From: carl tuveson	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: 21160 wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27107	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: 21160 wiring diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27108	From: Stroud Tilley, III	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27109	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Re: TRAINTRACKER 5.0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27110	From: michael prell	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] Hudson prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27111	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2000
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27112	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Indy G.A.T.S. October 18 & 19
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27113	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Dick Schlott/Florida S Gauging
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27114	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: folded over figure eight ideas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27115	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Re: Dick Schlott/Florida S Gauging
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27116	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: J-3 Hudsons & why none were saved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27117	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Re: Dick Schlott/Florida S Gauging
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27118	From: AF Gage	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Any S Train Members in So., California?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27119	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Re: Any S Train Members in So., California?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27120	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Re: Any S Train Members in So., California?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27121	From: knockbill	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: york
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27122	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Re: york
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27123	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27124	From: G Nichol	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: 23780 Gabe and 374/5 GPs in shipping carton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27125	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Re: Getting NMRA Acceptance For NASG S Scale Track Gauge - Any Word?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27126	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Re: Getting NMRA Acceptance For NASG S Scale Track Gauge - Any...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27127	From: becks_1950	Date: 9/11/2003
Subject: Bangzoom TT 5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27128	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 9/11/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Bangzoom TT 5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27129	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: Re: Bangzoom TT 5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27130	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: New K-Line S Gauge Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27131	From: salrwy1948	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: TrainTracker 4.0/4.1 my 2 cents worth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27132	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: Traintracker 5.0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27133	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas Loco.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27134	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27135	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: passenger details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27136	From: Ted Larson	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27137	From: Neil Becker	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Re: Bangzoom TT 5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27138	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Loose logs....I hate that!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27139	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Re: Loose logs....I hate that!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27140	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Re: passenger details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27141	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Christmas layout photos....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27142	From: William Lange	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Christmas layout photos..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27143	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Re: TT 4.01
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27144	From: ROGER FORST	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Track Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27145	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Track Layout Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27146	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Re: Track Layout Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27147	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Bangzoom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27148	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Re: Track Layout Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27149	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: loose logs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27150	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: New Catalog Online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27151	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27152	From: William Lange	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Christmas layout photos..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27153	From: TCS	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: new url for oddballs decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27154	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2005
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27155	From: waldootten	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: A positive report on GATS show in Chicago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27156	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/15/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2005
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27157	From: Al Galli	Date: 9/15/2003
Subject: inventory software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27158	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: flat car load tie downs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27159	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Dollar Store items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27160	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: SHS GG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27161	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Re: inventory software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27162	From: waldootten	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Re: SHS GG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27163	From: theheadliner@topeka.net	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Re: Dollar Store items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27164	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: SnS Trains E-mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27165	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Re: SnS Trains E-mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27166	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Re: Dollar Store items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27167	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Looks like a really great Fall S-Fest (10/31-11/2) in St Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27168	From: ironmonstor	Date: 9/17/2003
Subject: Single Point Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27169	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/17/2003
Subject: automatic delay circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27170	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Fwd: Yorkin with Clem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27171	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27172	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27173	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27174	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27175	From: doug_cnw	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: American Models and SHS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27176	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27177	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: New Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27178	From: Hall G	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: cheap auto station stop simple
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27179	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Delay circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27180	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: Delay circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27181	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Yorkin with Clem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27182	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Primer for York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27183	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Hurricane Isable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27184	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: automatic delay circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27185	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27186	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: Hurricane Isable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27187	From: martyl11	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27188	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Cutting AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27189	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27190	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: AF TRACK BLANTANT AD!!!!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27191	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: AF TRACK BLANTANT AD PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27192	From: wintermutedm	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Non-train power for switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27193	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: K-Line S Boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27194	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: Non-train power for switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27195	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Cutting AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27196	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27197	From: William Lange	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: FW: Christmas layout photos..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27198	From: Kielek Family	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27199	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: DECALS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27200	From: William Lange	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: 302 Reverse problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27201	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: CJSS Get together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27202	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: American Models and SHS track - Additional Interest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27203	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Re: SHS 90 and 30 degree crossings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27204	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Gonna ride a train.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27205	From: editor	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Volume 8 Issue 1 Is off to the Printer!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27206	From: Tom	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Derailing K-Line Boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27207	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: cutting AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27208	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Re: cutting AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27209	From: svea1_2000	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27210	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Re: Introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27211	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: track and bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27212	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27213	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: LNE decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27214	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Box Numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27215	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Re: track and bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27216	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Re: Set Boxes for ARROW Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27217	From: William Lange	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Re: 302 Reverse problems - UPDATE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27218	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27219	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: track and bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27220	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: track and bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27221	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2012
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27222	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Joiners for rail of different heights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27223	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: cutting AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27224	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: cutting AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27225	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: cutting AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27226	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: track and bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27227	From: rayklesc	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: New Features at Model Railroad Hobby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27228	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: BACK FROM ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27229	From: Don Abrams	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Rewheelin'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27230	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Unbelieveable!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27231	From: Kielek Family	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Re: Rewheelin'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27232	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [S-Trains] Set Boxes for ARROW Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27233	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [S-Trains] Set Boxes for ARROW Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27234	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Re: BACK FROM ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27235	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Order Deadline: K-Line 2003 Second Edition S Gauge Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27236	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: deals on new stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27237	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27238	From: svea1_2000	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27239	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27240	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: BARB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27241	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Re: BARB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27242	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Ebay and power supplies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27243	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/24/2003
Subject: Re: BACK FROM ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27244	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/24/2003
Subject: BACK FROM ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27245	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/24/2003
Subject: Re: BACK FROM ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27246	From: David Engle	Date: 9/24/2003
Subject: Re: BACK FROM ORLANDO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27247	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Part Needed for AF Baldwin Restoration Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27248	From: waldootten	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: $11 profit on eBay shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27249	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27250	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27251	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27252	From: keith kuzma	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27253	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27254	From: scott ptacek	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: pre-war hudsons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27255	From: Edward G.	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re ;$11 PROFIT.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27256	From: Edward G.	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: P.S..>>>>
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27257	From: Mike Vana	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Excessive shipping Charges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27258	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Excessive shipping Charges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27259	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Hot motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27260	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Vehicle Crossing on S scale tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27261	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Vehicle Crossing on S scale tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27262	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27263	From: Hall G	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Trains in store windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27264	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: JUST FOR FUN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27265	From: firex43	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: PA Shell Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27266	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27267	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Trains in store windows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27268	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27269	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Vehicle Crossing on S scale tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27270	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Replying to emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27271	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Replying to emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27272	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2016
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27273	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: PA Shell Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27274	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Replying to emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27275	From: Kielek Family	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Hot motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27276	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Replying to emails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27277	From: Lindsay Thompson	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: New figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27278	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27279	From: keith kuzma	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27280	From: keith kuzma	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27281	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27282	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27283	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27284	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27285	From: Ted Larson	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Forwarded: web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27286	From: svea1_2000	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27287	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Barb - How are You Doing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27288	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Barb - How are You Doing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27289	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Health Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27290	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27291	From: waldootten	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Drywall mud on layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27292	From: waldootten	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: eBay shipping cost UPDATE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27293	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27294	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27295	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Trains in store windows - Run Time?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27296	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Vehicle Crossing on S scale tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27297	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Trains in store windows - Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27298	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27299	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Trains in store windows - Run Time?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27300	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Hot motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27301	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Hot motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27302	From: Robert Wight	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: Re ;$11 PROFIT.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27303	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Atlas O turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27304	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas O turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27305	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: Re ;$11 PROFIT.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27306	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas O turntable ADVERTISEMENT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27307	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Cheap cars in "O"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27308	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27309	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: loose logs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27310	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: wiring question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27311	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap cars in "O"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27312	From: mcconnell63	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27313	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27314	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27315	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: trestle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27316	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27317	From: keith kuzma	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27318	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27319	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27320	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge! & BLATANT AD!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27321	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge! & BLATANT AD!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27322	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: TEST ONLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27323	From: roy inman	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27324	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27325	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge! & BLATANT AD!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27326	From: Robert Wight	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Tom's track layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27327	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27328	From: Neil Becker	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: MRC Pure Power Dual
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27329	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Tom's track layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27330	From: editor	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Central Jersey S Scale Show is Now History
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27331	From: editor	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2020: Atlas O Scale Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27332	From: editor	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27333	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27334	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27335	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27336	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27337	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27338	From: roy inman	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27339	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27340	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27341	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27342	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27343	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27344	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Flyerville buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27345	From: mcconnell63	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27346	From: waldootten	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas O turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27347	From: Lindsay Thompson	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Postage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27348	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27349	From: Robert Wight	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27350	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: gee a sort of friendly challenge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27351	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27352	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27353	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27354	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Checking E-mail !!!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27355	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27356	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27357	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27358	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27359	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Shipping charges.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27360	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: gee a sort of friendly challenge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27361	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping charges.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27362	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping charges.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27363	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] gee a sort of friendly challenge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27364	From: Tom Young	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas O turntable---shipping charges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27365	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: November MR Article on S Scale Trackage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27366	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Tracks: Wlecome to S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27367	From: Lance McCold	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Chat transcript: another vote in favor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27368	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Does Anyone object to the s-chat transcripts being posted?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27369	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27370	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: Does Anyone object to the s-chat transcripts being posted?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27371	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27372	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: Posting Chat Transcript
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27373	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas O turntable---shipping charges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27374	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Does Anyone object to the s-chat transcripts being posted?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27375	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Does Anyone object to the s-chat transcripts being posted?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27376	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Publishing Chat Transcripts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27377	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Publishing Chat Transcripts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27378	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Publishing Chat Transcripts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27379	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Publishing Chat Transcripts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27380	From: Bruce	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Flyer Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27381	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Publishing Chat Transcripts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27382	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Does Anyone object to the s-chat transcripts being posted?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27383	From: afjeff_56	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: River City Meet !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27384	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Arizona Train Meet?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27385	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27386	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: 2nd Edition of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27387	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27388	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2021
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27389	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2021
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27390	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27391	From: Jim V	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Arizona Train Meet?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27392	From: John Brockmann	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Train shows/Shops in Tampa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27393	From: Bruce	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Arizona Train Meet?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27394	From: theodore weiler	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Train shows/Shops in Tampa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27395	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Indianapolis GATS Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27396	From: pushpinss	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Have a little Humor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27397	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Have a little Humor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27398	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2024
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27399	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Chicago AF Factory Building
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27400	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: AF Chicago Factory View
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27401	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: FLYER PAINT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27402	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: 2nd Edition of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27403	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Arizona Train Meet?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27404	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: 2nd Edition of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27405	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Have a little Humor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27406	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Humor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27407	From: Tim	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Humor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27408	From: pushpinss	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Re: Humor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27409	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Re: Humor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27410	From: riechert@qwest.net	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2025
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27411	From: John Brockmann	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: S-List to the rescue.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27412	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2025
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27413	From: aglorince	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: andy lorince ( earth transfer service) contact info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27414	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: CURVED TRACK FOR SALE BLATANT AD!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27415	From: editor	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: The S/Sn3 Modeling Guide "Pop Valve" Forum - Advertisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27416	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: Train Sale Thank You!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27417	From: TCS	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: N. Edward Smith
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27418	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27419	From: William Lange	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: Help with new toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27420	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: ANYONE GOING?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27421	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: Fw: [kl] Almost bought a Stolen German System Clarinet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27422	From: aglorince	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: train show cleveland, oh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27423	From: trzp1800	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Painting stripes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27424	From: Tim	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Re: Painting stripes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27425	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Repairing Lionel AF Sawmill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27426	From: jaytewilli	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Tower Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27427	From: plotnick	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Repairing O-gauge AF Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27428	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Re: Painting stripes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27429	From: roy inman	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: SHS turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27430	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Idaho Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27431	From: butchclimax	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Buttons and Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27432	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Re: SHS turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27433	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Re: Buttons and Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27434	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Western Rail Products....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27435	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2028
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27436	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27437	From: butchclimax	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Mag Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27438	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27439	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/6/2003
Subject: TRAIN SHOW FEES TO SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27440	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/6/2003
Subject: Re: Cincinnati Museum Center Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27441	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 10/6/2003
Subject: Re: ANYONE GOING?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27442	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Here's How I see it
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27443	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: In response of......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27444	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: 821 members now!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27445	From: waldootten	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: AF O-Gauge Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27446	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: Re: AF O-Gauge Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27447	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: Re: In response of......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27448	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: ..."In response of".....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27449	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: Re: AF O-Gauge Union Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27450	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: Trolley Meet in Scranton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27451	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: AF Track and curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27452	From: rfgiardina	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track and curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27453	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: K line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27454	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AF Track and curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27455	From: curleytf	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: Re: Train shows/Shops in Tampa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27456	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: linkage& tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27457	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: K-Line/Lionel-Flyer trucks....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27458	From: Ronald	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Flyer Crossing Signals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27459	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Steam Glory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27460	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AF Track and curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27461	From: Bill Frazier	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Ace conversion parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27462	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Crossing Signals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27463	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: NASG Review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27464	From: Bruce	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Options for young people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27465	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: AF Track in 2003(4)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27466	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Last Reminder..Fall S Fest in St.Louis,10/31-11/2...still some room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27467	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track in 2003(4)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27468	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track in 2003(4)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27469	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: 760 crossing signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27470	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Trolley Meet in Scranton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27471	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track in 2003(4)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27472	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track in 2003(4)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27474	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Options for young people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27475	From: trainman634	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Book of AF Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27476	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 images uploaded to S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27477	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27478	From: knockbill	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: 760 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27479	From: knockbill	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: 760 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27480	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Trolley Meet in Scranton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27481	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Detail Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27482	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Kaslo Shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27483	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Don's 2-8-0 Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27484	From: Neil Becker	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Options for young people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27485	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27487	From: David	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Options for young people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27488	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Don's 2-8-0 Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27489	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27490	From: Ronald	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: 760 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27491	From: Ronald	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: 706 crossing flasher help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27492	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: KLine track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27493	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Book of AF sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27494	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27495	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Dayton GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27496	From: the Reis's	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: KLine track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27497	From: the Reis's	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27498	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: 706 crossing flasher help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27499	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: BIG mistake on date of train show!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27500	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: SHS blatant promotion - Container arrives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27501	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27502	From: Scott Connery	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: American Flyer for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27503	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27504	From: Tom	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Scenery Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27505	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: Scenery Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27506	From: Ronald	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: 706 crossing flasher help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27507	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27508	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: 1949 Packard 8 Sedan 1/64
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27509	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: E-7s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27510	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Scenery Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27511	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Drool time, now where's the Wayback machine?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27512	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Drool time, now where's the Wayback machine?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27513	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Drool time, now where's the Wayback machine?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27514	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Scenery Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27515	From: rkuepper	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Making progress!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27516	From: Tom	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Scenery Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27517	From: Ronald	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: 706 crossing flasher help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27518	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Flyer switch question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27519	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27520	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer switch question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27521	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer switch question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27522	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27523	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: 706 crossing flasher help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27524	From: knockbill	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: Re: 760
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27525	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: It's GATS Season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27526	From: Neil Becker	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: Flyer & Fans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27527	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: myflyertrains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27528	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: AF Compatible #8 Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27529	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: Re: Options for young people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27530	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: Re: Options for young people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27531	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: "Toy Train Memories".....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27532	From: myflyertrains	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.Org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27533	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories".....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27534	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: TMCC miniaturization ( My Way)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27535	From: editor	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Call for S Standard Gauge Images!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27536	From: editor	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Call for S Standard Gauge Images!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27537	From: waldootten	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories".....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27538	From: Ronald	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: 706 crossing flasher help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27539	From: Ronald	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: 760
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27540	From: Ronald	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27541	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories".....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27542	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27543	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Need AF Baldwin Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27544	From: Kathy Blanchard	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: New to the list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27545	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Building a website?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27546	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: eBay item 3149899162 (Ends Oct-21-03 190356 PDT) - American Flyer 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27547	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Gargrave switches and NJI switch machines wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27548	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: another layout question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27549	From: Howard	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Re: New to the list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27550	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Logging trucks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27551	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay item 3149899162 (Ends Oct-21-03 190356 PDT) - American Fly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27552	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay item 3149899162 (Ends Oct-21-03 190356 PDT) - American Fly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27553	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Re: SHS at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27554	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: cow on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27555	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Re: cow on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27556	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: cow on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27557	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: "Con on the Track"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27558	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Con on the Track"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27559	From: editor	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: S/Sn3 Scale Calendar Photo Contest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27560	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2039
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27561	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: con on the track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27562	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Re: con on the track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27563	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Cow on the track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27564	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Cow on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27565	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: Cow on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27566	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Girl on Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27567	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: GATS in Indianapolis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27568	From: Gale Hall	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Girl on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27569	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: Girl on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27570	From: richard.spritz@uchsc.edu	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2040
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27571	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Help! CD problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27572	From: waldootten	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Help! CD problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27573	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: CD Burner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27574	From: trainman634	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Caboose frame removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27575	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27576	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27577	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: 952 Chassis?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27578	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Gilbert Diesel Can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27579	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2040
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27580	From: David	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27581	From: rkuepper	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: CVSGA layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27582	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Girl on track Acc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27583	From: William Lange	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27584	From: butchclimax	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: "BuzzBox"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27585	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: for Skip Kendel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27586	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Re: POLL RESULTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27587	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Coo-Coo -Coo -Coo >>>Coo- Coo Coo-Cooooooo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27588	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: NASG Webite Award
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27589	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Poll results.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27590	From: rkuepper	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27591	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Re: Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27592	From: Curtis	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27593	From: rkuepper	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27594	From: waltdanylak@citlink.net	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27595	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Re: SHS website update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27596	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27597	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Canadian hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27598	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: RC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27599	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: More on 1/64 scale RC cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27600	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Re: 1950 Tow Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27601	From: knockbill	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: york
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27602	From: wintermutedm	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27603	From: John Brockmann	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Guilford Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27604	From: editor	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: More on 1/64 scale RC cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27605	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27606	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Cow on Track for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27607	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27608	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27609	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27610	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27611	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Any words on York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27612	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: ho to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27613	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ho to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27614	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27615	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: Any words on York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27616	From: David	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: Any words on York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27617	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Canadian hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27618	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: Any words on York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27619	From: roy inman	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27620	From: Kielek Family	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27621	From: Al Galli	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2043
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27622	From: knockbill	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: york
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27623	From: Steve Roche	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27624	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Poll results - recuiting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27625	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Poll results - recuiting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27626	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Any words on York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27627	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Coo-Coo -Coo -Coo >>>Coo- Coo Coo-Cooooooo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27628	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Any words on York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27629	From: frbpman	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Missing Under 40 Response
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27630	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Missing Under 40 Response
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27631	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Spreading the Word
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27632	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27633	From: waldootten	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Poll results - recuiting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27634	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27635	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27636	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27637	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Any words on York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27638	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Spreading the Word
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27639	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: York and A Terrible situation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27640	From: jaytewilli	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: York and A Terrible situation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27641	From: firex43	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27642	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: York and A Terrible situation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27643	From: Kielek Family	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27644	From: Kielek Family	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: Spreading the Word
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27645	From: amerflyr@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Subject: Re: FW: Poll Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27646	From: JOE KIMBER	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: AF 312 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27647	From: JOE KIMBER	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Young S Gauge Fans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27648	From: knockbill	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: York and A Terrible situation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27649	From: wintermutedm	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: Young S Gauge Fans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27650	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: York and A Terrible situation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27651	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: cleaning carbon deposits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27652	From: rkuepper	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: O gauge Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27653	From: rayklesc	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Web site new feature
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27654	From: Robert Wight	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Tie Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27655	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: Poll results - recuiting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27656	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Re: Tie Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27657	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: cleaning carbon deposits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27658	From: editor	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: 1/64th Scale Photo Contest - Time is running Out!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27659	From: Roger Walton	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: tie ejector
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27660	From: waldootten	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Railsounds switcheroo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27661	From: Ted walton	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Not receiving daily digest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27662	From: lou342ac	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning carbon deposits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27663	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: York & a Terrible Situation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27664	From: chasesmithus	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27665	From: trainspeak	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Additional postwar boxed Flyer items available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27666	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Track Plans plus some holiday plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27667	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Kaslo Shops Budd cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27668	From: butchclimax	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: 312
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27669	From: Gregg	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Not receiving daily digest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27670	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: Young S Gauge Fans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27671	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27672	From: Kielek Family	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: 312
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27673	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27674	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: 312
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27675	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Website Owners Only
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27676	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Pennsy S Models X29 Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27677	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Help needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27678	From: butchclimax	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: 312
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27679	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27680	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27681	From: robbyking13	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: Kaslo Shops Budd cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27682	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Carmer Cut levers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27683	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: S- Friendly update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27684	From: amerflyr@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Part for Track Gang Accessory Needed...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27685	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27686	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: S- Friendly update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27687	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Free GIFS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27688	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: Dave Dewey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27689	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: Part for Track Gang Accessory Needed...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27690	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: son
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27691	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Lionel NYC PA Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27692	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: I think I would sell it too....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27693	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: Ertl Route 66 Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27694	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel NYC PA Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27695	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: Ertl Route 66 Vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27696	From: AF336	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: Re: Railsounds switcheroo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27697	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: Re: Railsounds switcheroo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27698	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: S-Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27699	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27700	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: Re: Details on next weekends S-Fest in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27701	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: Re: S-Fest Response to John's question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27702	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27703	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Re: ANOTHER PA S FRIENDLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27704	From: roy inman	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27705	From: roy inman	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27706	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: AmericanFlyerTrains.com - Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27707	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: UPDATE ON MY WIFE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27708	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Re: ANOTHER PA S FRIENDLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27709	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Canadian grain hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27710	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Carolinas Division, ACSG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27711	From: AF336	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: 25052 Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27712	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Fest Response to John's question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27713	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27714	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: The Sonar Sub Hunt Web Page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27715	From: AF336	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27716	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: WANTED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27717	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: 769
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27718	From: Thomas Davis	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: AM loco for sale, scale or hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27719	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: Hartman Estate Sale - More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27720	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: Re: 769
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27721	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: EAGLE BOXED SET ON EBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27722	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: DECALS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27723	From: J Carnes	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: Re: DECALS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27724	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: Re: EAGLE BOXED SET ON EBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27725	From: John G	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: Re: DECALS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27726	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: Eagle Boxed Set on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27727	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27728	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: 2003 Fall Layout Photos...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27729	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: Help with AC 300 and 21160 Atlantics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27730	From: Kielek Family	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: Re: EAGLE BOXED SET ON EBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27731	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: Re: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27732	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Re: Help with AC 300 and 21160 Atlantics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27733	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27734	From: jackotrains	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Lionel AF #48929-Silver Palace
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27735	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27736	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27737	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: more Fall layout photos...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27738	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Fwd:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27739	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: KB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27740	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: 732 BAGGAGE CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27741	From: David	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27742	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27743	From: David	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27744	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Eagle boxed set.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27745	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Shameless ad, New structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27746	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: New S-scale Kits again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27747	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27748	From: knockbill	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: 732
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27749	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27750	From: Robert Wight	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Horse drawn wagon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27751	From: Robert Wight	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Cat stuck in tree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27752	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: The CTT's big give-a-way!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27753	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Photos From Our 'S' Friends....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27754	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27755	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 11/1/2003
Subject: S-Fest St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27756	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/2/2003
Subject: A few new photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27757	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/2/2003
Subject: Atlanta show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27758	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/2/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27759	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/2/2003
Subject: Little Christmas goodies from Michaels.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27760	From: littletownkid1952	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: Test (Please Delete)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27761	From: trainman634	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: Front coupler for AM steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27762	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: Re: Front coupler for AM steam engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27763	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: AF Compatible #8 Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27764	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: custom track work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27765	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: O gauge forumite Praises the merits of SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27766	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: Fiddle Yards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27767	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: what is the game in the game train?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27768	From: jackotrains	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Lionel AF Boom & Crane Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27769	From: scalebusho	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Looking for figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27770	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Boom & Crane Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27771	From: roy inman	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Little Christmas goodies from Michaels.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27772	From: David Engle	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27773	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: York Product Announcements?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27774	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: York Product Announcements?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27775	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27776	From: David Engle	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27777	From: waldootten	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Lionel AF Mikado in St. Louie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27778	From: editor	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: S/Sn3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27779	From: Ronald	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27780	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27781	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27782	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27783	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27784	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: New AF train collection pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27785	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2056
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27786	From: littletownkid1952	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: A.C Gilbet display layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27787	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Fall goodies at 'Rite-Aid'.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27788	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27789	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: CAL STEWART
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27790	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: The rail is too big?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27791	From: waldootten	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: The rail is too big?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27792	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Please help indentify part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27793	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Homosote?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27794	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: The rail is too big?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27795	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Franklin/Washington Dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27796	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: BLATANT AD #15 RECTIFIERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27797	From: John G	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: Homosote?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27798	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: photo to mystery part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27799	From: TCS	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27800	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: mystery part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27801	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: Franklin/Washington Dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27802	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: mystery part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27803	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Fall goodies at 'Rite-Aid'.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27804	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Benchwork height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27805	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27806	From: waldootten	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27807	From: waldootten	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Homosote?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27808	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Fwd: forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27809	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Diesel Power Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27810	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: S-Video Volume VII
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27811	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27812	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: S-Video Volume VII (second attempt)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27813	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Diesel Power Trucks (second attempt)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27814	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Industrial backgrounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27815	From: Dennis Back	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27816	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: BLATANT AD #15 RECTIFIERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27817	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [S-Trains] Benchwork height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27818	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27819	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Weights for AM Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27820	From: mcconnell63	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Benchwork Hight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27821	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Re: Industrial backgrounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27822	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27823	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Links to S web sites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27824	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Ad space
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27825	From: Tim	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Rail height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27826	From: Neil Becker	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27827	From: editor	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2059
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27828	From: Hall G	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: backdrops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27829	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27830	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27831	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27832	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: DCC help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27833	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: NASG Tidings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27834	From: Kielek Family	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: LTI Gabe lamplighter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27835	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/8/2003
Subject: Re: DCC help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27836	From: trainman634	Date: 11/8/2003
Subject: Freight car truck repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27837	From: David	Date: 11/8/2003
Subject: Re: DCC help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27838	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/8/2003
Subject: Re: DCC help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27839	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/8/2003
Subject: new photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27840	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: AF Frontiersman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27841	From: trainman634	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Gargraves S-Gauge Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27842	From: mktslsf	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: SHS Starter Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27843	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Re: AF Frontiersman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27844	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Re: SHS Starter Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27845	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Buy, Sale or Swap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27846	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Re: Gargraves S-Gauge Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27847	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Franklin 4-4-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27848	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: two questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27849	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Search Light Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27850	From: Artidomal@xtra.co.nz	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Authorization request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27851	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Station sound module
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27852	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Flyonel GP7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27853	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Chat tonite, Have fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27854	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Chat tonite, Have fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27855	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27856	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27857	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Fw: Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27858	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Gargraves S-Gauge Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27859	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Mounting Flyer Buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27860	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Mounting Flyer Buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27861	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: S-WebRing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27862	From: TCS	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S an O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27863	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2062
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27864	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2061
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27865	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Searchlight car, and Station sound module
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27866	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2060
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27867	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: SHS next container
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27868	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Paging Robert Jackson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27869	From: mikemelinda2000	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: 30B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27870	From: John G	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: 30B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27871	From: trainman634	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: First talking station.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27872	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: First talking station.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27873	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Brooks Stover - Pls Contact Me Off-Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27874	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: AF # 784 railway hump set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27875	From: David	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: First talking station.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27876	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: First talking station.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27877	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Big Sale at American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27878	From: David Engle	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: Big Sale at American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27879	From: Mason	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: 310 & 312 box sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27880	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Scale Modeling] Paging Robert Jackson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27881	From: roy inman	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27882	From: David	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Re: 310 & 312 box sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27883	From: Bill	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: DC conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27884	From: waldootten	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Railcams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27885	From: waldootten	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: K-Line S-cars become highly collectible?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27886	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27887	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Re: DC conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27888	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27889	From: TCS	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27890	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Re: 30B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27891	From: Marty Rajsich	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: cow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27892	From: elinashusband	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Scotchbrite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27893	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Re: Scotchbrite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27894	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Re: Scotchbrite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27895	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Double Helix Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27896	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: DC conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27897	From: Tim	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] DC conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27898	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: SNS Baldwin conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27899	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Re: MTH Coal Loader pulleys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27900	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: AF Work Caboose cabins needed for a project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27901	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: Scotchbrite - Track Cleaning Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27902	From: Tim	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: Re: Scotchbrite - Track Cleaning Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27903	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: Roadbed Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27904	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27905	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: '60's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27906	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: Flyer Mail Pickup Post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27907	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: Re: Roadbed Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27908	From: fivechime@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: Five Chime Horns For S-Helper Service Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27909	From: mktslsf	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: K-Line S Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27910	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: Re: Five Chime Horns For S-Helper Service Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27911	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: k-line track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27912	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: K-line curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27913	From: David Engle	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Re: Five Chime Horns For S-Helper Service Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27914	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Discontinuing S scale Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27915	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Discontinuing S-scale Product Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27916	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27917	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Sound Systems for Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27918	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Re: Sound Systems for Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27919	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Mail Pickup Post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27920	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: TCA Meet this weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27921	From: TCS	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27922	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: K-Line S-Gauge track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27923	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Blantant ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27924	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Mail Pickup Post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27925	From: rebendever	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Heads Up! -Blatant Reminder Advertisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27926	From: fivechime@aol.com	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: AC vs DC on early AF Steam Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27927	From: wintermutedm	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Free filming!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27928	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Re: AC vs DC on early AF Steam Locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27929	From: David	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Re: Free filming!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27930	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Re: Free filming!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27931	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Diesel power trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27932	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Fwd: More REA Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27933	From: mxstav	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: EMD F-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27934	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Toy's for Tots
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27935	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2070
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27936	From: doug	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27937	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2070
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27938	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: [Fwd: [S-Trains] TCA Meet this weekend]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27939	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: DC vs. AC (was digest 2070
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27940	From: AF336	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27941	From: steamromance	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: EBAY Price Check?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27942	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Part number help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27943	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: S Friendy Campaign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27944	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: SHS Freight Cars for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27945	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Re: S Friendy Campaign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27946	From: stanley	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Re: Part number help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27947	From: doug	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27948	From: AF336	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Really nice set on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27949	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Re: EBAY Price Check?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27950	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Ebay price check?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27951	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27952	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: Re: EBAY Price Check?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27953	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: Re: Really nice set on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27954	From: Tim	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: AC/DC myth buster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27955	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: American Flyer in the movies....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27956	From: AF336	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: Re: EBAY Price Check?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27957	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2071
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27958	From: TCS	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: new group on yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27959	From: Tim	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: Track bending myth-buster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27960	From: doug	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27961	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: RECTIFIER BUYER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27962	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27963	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: Train on Homepage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27964	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: Re: Train on Homepage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27965	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Matchbox Construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27966	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: EBAY Price Check?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27967	From: TCS	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: reminder of new url - Oddballs Decals web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27968	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27969	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Registering with ebay again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27970	From: Tim	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Track laying myth-buster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27971	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: Track laying myth-buster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27972	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Station light project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27973	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: S scale - Like AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27974	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: American Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27975	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Mel Neilsen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27976	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27977	From: theheadliner	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: Registering with ebay again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27978	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: American Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27979	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27980	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27981	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27982	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: CTT OLDER ISSUE. MEDFORD SHOWS NEXT WEEKEND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27983	From: Tim	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27984	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: CTT OLDER ISSUE.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27985	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27986	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Set Box Madness On eBay!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27987	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: ebay practices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27988	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: AF Handcar - surplus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27989	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: Set Box Madness On eBay!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27990	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: Track laying myth-buster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27991	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: American Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27992	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: ebay practices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27993	From: louis glumac	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: ebay practices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27994	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: ebay practices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27995	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: Set Box Madness On eBay!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27996	From: dayna	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: ebay practices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27997	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: How to connect power to my s-helper sectional track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27998	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: How to connect power to my s-helper sectional track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 27999	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: How to connect power to my s-helper sectional track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28000	From: William Lange	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] How to connect power to my s-helper sectional track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28001	From: Tim	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Train shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28002	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: eBay item 3158545876 (Ends Nov-29-03 092105 PST) - Vintage American
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28003	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28004	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: eBay item 3566287930 Not a Train Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28005	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Photos of Bruce Renshaw's High Rail Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28006	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: How to connect power to my s-helper sectional track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28007	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: eBay item 3158545876 (Ends Nov-29-03 092105 PST) - Vintage Amer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28008	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: AF custom Christmas train on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28009	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Got Junk? was Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28010	From: rayklesc	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Modeling Tips Exchange Now Open
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28011	From: knockbill	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Re: CTT/Train shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28012	From: TCS	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28013	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2075
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28014	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Decals....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28015	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Re: CTT mags....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28016	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: MIX-UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28017	From: knockbill	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Decals...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28018	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Re: Train shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28019	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Double trestle bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28020	From: knockbill	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Double trestle bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28021	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: S Friendy Campaign - Burrett Hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28022	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28023	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Way off topic but very, very cool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28024	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: I GOT THE JOB!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28025	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28026	From: wizzy6969	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: amer.flyer stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28027	From: Guckes, Albert	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Burrett Hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28028	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Gabe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28029	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28030	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Farm Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28031	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: S Friendy Campaign - Burrett Hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28032	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: S Friendy Campaign - Burrett Hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28033	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: eBay links without description
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28034	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Follow Up on Gabe Thread
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28035	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Follow Up on Gabe Thread
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28036	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: WARNING >> E-BAY RIPOFF ARTIST>>>WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28037	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: WARNING >> E-BAY RIPOFF ARTIST>>>WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28038	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: WARNING >> E-BAY RIPOFF ARTIST>>>WARNING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28039	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28040	From: waldootten	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28041	From: waldootten	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: One of many reasons eBay sellers amuse me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28042	From: Tim	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: One of many reasons eBay sellers amuse me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28043	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28044	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: One of many reasons eBay sellers amuse me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28045	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28046	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28047	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28048	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28049	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: One of many reasons eBay sellers amuse me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28050	From: waldootten	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Oh, yeah... another one...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28051	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28052	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28053	From: Fred Jester	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Re: Gabe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28054	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Re: Gabe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28055	From: Tim	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: DC post follow-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28056	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28057	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Turkey Day.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28058	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2079 Tim Brown Re: eBay Sellers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28059	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28060	From: jhwysopal	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: static steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28061	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28062	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28063	From: Bill Webster	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Favorite ebay statements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28064	From: Tim	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Favorite ebay statements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28065	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: American Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28066	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28067	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Favorite ebay statements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28068	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28069	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28070	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Farm Equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28071	From: G Nichol	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: 332 wrap and box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28072	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28073	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28074	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28075	From: Tim	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Favorite ebay statements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28076	From: Pat O'Sullivan	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: American Flyer Set For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28077	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Track Planning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28078	From: AF336	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: on the subject of ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28079	From: Pat O'Sullivan	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: American Flyer Set For Sale with list pasted into email text.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28080	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: 1946 VIRGINIAN HOPPER FOR SALE-ALL ORGINAL PARTS-NOTHING BROKEN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28081	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Lemax train shop...& " Pairie Home Companion"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28082	From: waldootten	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Lemax train shop...& " Pairie Home Companion"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28083	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Lemax train shop...& " Pairie Home Companion"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28084	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28085	From: larryasp	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28086	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28087	From: the Reis's	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28088	From: Dan	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28089	From: Tim	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28090	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Some Thoughts about "Original" Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28091	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Linda Dewey in Hospital
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28092	From: beechcricker	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Switch (720A) Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28093	From: AF336	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Pics Posted Re:On the subject of Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28094	From: theheadliner	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28095	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: [S trains] Box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28096	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28097	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28098	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: Pics Posted Re:On the subject of Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28099	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28100	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28101	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: [S trains] Box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28102	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28103	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28104	From: David Avedesian	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28105	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2082
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28106	From: Chris	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Prairie Home Companion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28107	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28108	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28109	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: S.A.F.E.Train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28110	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Switch (720A) Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28111	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2079
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28112	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2082
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28113	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28114	From: Art	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Talking Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28115	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28116	From: knockbill	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Digest 2082
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28117	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Now What Do I do ..????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28118	From: jackotrains	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: A.F Pony Express Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28119	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Now What Do I do ..????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28120	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: A.F Pony Express Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28121	From: TCS	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28122	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: A.F Pony Express Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28123	From: AF336	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2082
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28124	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: A.F Pony Express Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28125	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2082
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28126	From: waldootten	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: A.F Pony Express Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28127	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28128	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Now What Do I do ..????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28129	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Now What Do I do ..????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28130	From: doug	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Talking Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28131	From: larryasp	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Now What Do I do ..????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28132	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Now What Do I do ..????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28133	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Talking Station / Tuner Cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28134	From: Tim	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: OFF TOPIC: Now What Do I do ..????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28135	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Now What Do I do ..????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28136	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: He's Baaaaaaccck - - Yikes!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28137	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: [S trains} Maglev
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28138	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Now What Do I do ..????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28139	From: Bruce	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Portable layout photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28140	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: He's Baaaaaaccck - - Yikes!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28141	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Portable Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28142	From: aglorince	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: pre inventory magazine clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28143	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: UP AND GN PASS SETS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28144	From: Art	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Talking Station / Tuner Cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28145	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Portable layout photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28146	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Enough Already!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28147	From: Tim	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Enough Already!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28148	From: Tim	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: EBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28149	From: Bruce	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Portable Layout Answers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28150	From: waldootten	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: One opinion that eBay is a valid topic here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28151	From: Tim	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: 760 Flasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28152	From: Tim	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: New issue Talking Stations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28153	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: E-bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28154	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: E-bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28155	From: Ken Kinyon - W7TS	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Enough Already!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28156	From: keefer1	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Enough Already!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28157	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: EBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28158	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Ebay on S-trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28159	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Portable Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28160	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: rebushing hadncar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28161	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Enough Already! A note from one of the moderators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28162	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Enough Already!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28163	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: rebushing hadncar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28164	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Linda's Home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28165	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Portable layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28166	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Portable layout photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28167	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: eBay & boring topics.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28168	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: TALKING STATION NUMBER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28169	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Fwd: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Re: B&O 24-8 Budd Slumbercoach Window ar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28170	From: knockbill	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Re: Rebushing handcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28171	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Re: eBay & boring topics.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28172	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Racing Champions on eBay Hint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28173	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION NUMBER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28174	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Re: Portable layout photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28175	From: John G	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: 2003 Flyer accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28176	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: 2 HOMEMADE BRASS RAIL SWITCHES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28177	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: ANOTHER BLATANT AD FOR A RECTIFIER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28178	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: RECTIFIER BLATANT AD: SOLD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28179	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: New Catalog posted / Christmas layout photo...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28180	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: SHS today's container
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28181	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale(no ebay required)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28182	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: rebushing handcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28183	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: delete..test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28184	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Another Blatant Ad-AF 405 Silver Streak
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28185	From: Bruce	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: Portable layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28186	From: Bruce	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyer accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28187	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Portable layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28188	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: HO FRONTIERSMAN SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28189	From: waldootten	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Train show in Chicago?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28190	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: Train show in Chicago?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28191	From: David	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: HO FRONTIERSMAN SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28192	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: MTH Lamplighter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28193	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: slightly off topic HO train question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28194	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: Track Planning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28195	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: MTH Lamplighter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28196	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Working Street Lights in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28197	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Switches - David's Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28198	From: doug	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyer accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28199	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: Working Street Lights in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28200	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Google Search pocher + trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28201	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Can't Beat The Real Deal!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28202	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Catalog posted / Christmas layout photo...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28203	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: Google Search pocher + trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28204	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: POCHER TRY THIS LINK MIKE S.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28205	From: Bradley	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Need Help To Identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28206	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Train show in Chgo:correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28207	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: What would you do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28208	From: waldootten	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Train show in Chicago?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28209	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Need Help To Identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28210	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Need HelpTo Identify
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28211	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Portable Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28212	From: Timboy@att.net	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Train show in Chicago?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28213	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Train show in the Bahamas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28214	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Who makes a good station platform "Goose neck" type lamp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28215	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Working Street Lights in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28216	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Working Street Lights in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28217	From: Timboy@att.net	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Train show in the Bahamas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28218	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28219	From: keefer1	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: New MO and JOE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28220	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: New MO and JOE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28221	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: NASG membership card
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28222	From: tsbikes	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: soldering SS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28223	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: DC with Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28224	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: DC WITH SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28225	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: Re: soldering SS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28226	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: Gargraves Stainless track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28227	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: DC SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28228	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: Re: DC SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28229	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: NASG PULLMAN Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28230	From: Timboy@att.net	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: Re: DC WITH SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28231	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: my Biannual decal plea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28232	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: NASG PULLMAN Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28233	From: trombonelover1	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: A call for new locomitves.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28234	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: 1999 Flyer Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28235	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: NASG PULLMAN Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28236	From: G Nichol	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: 1957 New Haven Clipper Set with orange striped cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28237	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: NASG PULLMAN Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28238	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: NASG PULLMAN Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28239	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: New locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28240	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: NASG PULLMAN Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28241	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28242	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28243	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Pullman Wars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28244	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: NASG PULLMAN: Making Sure All Info Gets Out Into the Hobby Press
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28245	From: firex43	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Gargraves Stainless Steel Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28246	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28247	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: NASG Pullman project -- Answer to reserve question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28248	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman Wars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28249	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28250	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: 100 Watt Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28251	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: NASG Co-Op ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28252	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Flyonel GP7 e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28253	From: John G	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28254	From: lbdrummer3	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Sticky E units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28255	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28256	From: jaytewilli	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28257	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Upcoming shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28258	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28259	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28260	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Possible NASG Regional Convention: Kudzu 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28261	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28262	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28263	From: jaytewilli	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28264	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28265	From: TCS	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28266	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Possible NASG Regional Convention: Kudzu 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28267	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: MR Planning Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28268	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: 100 W transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28269	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Flyer sticky reverse Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2094
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28270	From: doug	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28271	From: AF336	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Manufacturing and trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28272	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Sidebar - "Paypal Suspension Notice"???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28273	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Sidebar - "Paypal Suspension Notice"???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28274	From: editor	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: FW: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: NEEDED: YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS, BOY SCOUTS G
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28275	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Model Railroad Scale Converter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28276	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: You think we pay alot !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28277	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: MR Planning Guide - Two S Articles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28278	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28279	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28280	From: fahrwud	Date: 12/11/2003
Subject: Flyer articulated loco fans.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28281	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/11/2003
Subject: eBay item 3163287901 (Ends Dec-14-03 181151 PST) - SUPER RARE Lione
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28282	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/11/2003
Subject: 370 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28283	From: waldootten	Date: 12/11/2003
Subject: A new Flyer loco? Warning: eBay post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28284	From: knockbill	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: #05 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28285	From: Bruce	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Portable Layout Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28286	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: #05 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28287	From: David	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: #05 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28288	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Portable Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28289	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: wrong pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28290	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: #05 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28291	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Portability and Runability
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28292	From: knockbill	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: 305 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28293	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: #05 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28294	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Virtual railfan trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28295	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: 305 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28296	From: knockbill	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: 305
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28297	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28298	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2097
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28299	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: S-Helper's 2003 (Rudolph) Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28300	From: William Lange	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: FW: 2003 Holiday Layout - take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28301	From: William Lange	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: 2003 Holiday Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28302	From: William Lange	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: 2003 Holiday Layout - take 3!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28303	From: Dan	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Holiday Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28304	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: 305, Carnes' fakes and my K305 Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2098
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28305	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard Instead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28306	From: Neil Becker	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Erector Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28307	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Has this happened to anyone.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28308	From: knockbill	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Re: 305...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28309	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Re: 305...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28310	From: knockbill	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: 305
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28311	From: knockbill	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Has this happened to anyone.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28312	From: eagle_trains@swbell.net	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Pictures posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28313	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: Pictures posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28314	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: 305
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28315	From: jackotrains	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Crown Models-S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28316	From: pushpinss	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Off topic, but maybe not?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28317	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Electronic Railpasses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28318	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: eBay feedback~~~DELETE if not interested!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28319	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: 2 questions for the group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28320	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: #05 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28321	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2099
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28322	From: butchclimax	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Guilford Concept
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28323	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2099
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28324	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: erector train and erector rights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28325	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28326	From: TCS	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: new decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28327	From: AF336	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Proper deflection for reverse fingers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28328	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: 370 problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28329	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: Off topic, but maybe not?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28330	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: Proper deflection for reverse fingers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28331	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Proper deflection for reverse fingers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28332	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: request for construction photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28333	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Is this Company still around?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28334	From: waldootten	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Need advice on resusitated 302
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28335	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Great American Train Show This Weekend in Tampa!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28336	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Off topic (but on season): Cat in tree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28337	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Box-car-boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28338	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Mantle acrylic display case wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28339	From: roy meissner	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Off topic (but on season): Cat in tree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28340	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Guilfod Concept
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28341	From: editor	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: FW: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: NEEDED: YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS, BOY SCOUTS G
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28342	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Off Subject Cat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28343	From: AF336	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Off Subject Cat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28344	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Box-car-boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28345	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: NEW! Classified Ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28346	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Box-car-boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28347	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: NEW! Classified Ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28348	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: S Gauge thread on OGR Forum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28349	From: Alan Evans	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Empire State Express set for Christmas?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28350	From: John G	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Off topic (but on season): Cat in tree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28351	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Need advice on resusitated 302
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28352	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: 2 questions for the group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28353	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: S on O site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28354	From: chasman@har-nett.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: 336 motor problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28355	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Mantle acrylic display case wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28356	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: 2 questions for the group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28357	From: willisbd@yahoo.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: cat comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28358	From: dlehnhoff@hotmail.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: DC accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28359	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Need advice on resusitated 302
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28360	From: race944t@sitestar.net	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Try ceiling tiles instead of foamboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28361	From: race944t@sitestar.net	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Try ceiling tiles instead of foamboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28362	From: hcopter51@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: NEW! Classified Ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28363	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: cat comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28364	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: Try ceiling tiles instead of foamboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28365	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: cat comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28366	From: hcopter51@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28367	From: dlehnhoff@hotmail.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28368	From: rodgers_carl@hotmail.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28369	From: NotColdEnough@hotmail.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: Guilford Concept
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28370	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Foamboard Preferable To Ceiling Tiles - Personal Experience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28371	From: keefer1	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: Try ceiling tiles instead of foamboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28372	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28373	From: rklesc@kartuku.co.id	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Live Chat at Model Railroad Hobby
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28374	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: 336 motor problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28375	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: Portable Layout Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28376	From: waldootten@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: Box-car-boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28377	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Reverse loop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28378	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2102
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28379	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: MTH Sawmill problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28380	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: SMOKE & Small blantant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28381	From: hcopter51@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28382	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: Box-car-boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28383	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: 336 Motor problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28384	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: 709 LOCKOUT ELIMINATOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28385	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Certain Accessories run on DC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28386	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: TRACK TRIPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28387	From: rodgers_carl@hotmail.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: AFP Products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28388	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28389	From: am-flyr@telus.net	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: OUR NEW CLASSIFIED PAGE...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28390	From: robt.john@earthlink.net	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: 709 LOCKOUT ELIMINATOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28391	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: OUR NEW CLASSIFIED PAGE...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28392	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: OUR NEW CLASSIFIED PAGE...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28393	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: How much Smoke Fluid does it take?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28394	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Custom Painting services
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28395	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Classified Ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28396	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: OUR NEW CLASSIFIED PAGE...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28397	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: SIGN - E-BAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28398	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: AF in Orlando??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28399	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: AF in Orlando??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28400	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: 760 Highway Flasher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28401	From: vickiec40403	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: DIESEL COMET 466 BRUSHES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28402	From: vickiec40403	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: diesel engine brushes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28403	From: fpocius@hotmail.com	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Alco 466 diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28404	From: Richard	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Motor runs better in one direction....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28405	From: vickiec40403	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: REPLACING BRUSHES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28406	From: mfjdunn@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: needed items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28407	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28408	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: diesel engine brushes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28409	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: U P licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28410	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28411	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28412	From: AF336	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Tender for 302 w/4 pc cast shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28413	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re.UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28414	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: TRACK TRIP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28415	From: AF336	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: 24626 in the original box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28416	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: Box-car-boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28417	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28418	From: Al	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: UP Licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28419	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28420	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: I found this referance to AF Copyright, Jim Sleeth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28421	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: SHS 2003 Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28422	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28423	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: National News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28424	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: National News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28425	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28426	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28427	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: TRACK TRIP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28428	From: Tim	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: I got mine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28429	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Tender for 302 w/4 pc cast shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28430	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28431	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: TRACK TRIP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28432	From: geep39	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Dissatisfaction in the O Gauge Ranks With CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28433	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: TRACK TRIP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28434	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28435	From: Tim	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28436	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28437	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Road names
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28438	From: waldootten	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Need heralds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28439	From: waldootten	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28440	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Up Blackmail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28441	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Another Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28442	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28443	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28444	From: Robert D Eves III	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28445	From: Mike Vana	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT! (S gauge also!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28446	From: Richard Gehrig	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28447	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: UP blackmail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28448	From: Tim	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT! (S gauge also!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28449	From: Tim	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Opposites attract
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28450	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: UP blackmail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28451	From: larryasp	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: National News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28452	From: editor	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: [ADVERTISEMENT] YOUR S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Subscription IS IN THE M
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28453	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: UP blackmail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28454	From: jay stevens	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28455	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28456	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28457	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28458	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28459	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28460	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2106
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28461	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28462	From: mikemelinda2000	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: You Can't Spell Stupid Without UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28463	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: SHS 2004 catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28464	From: butchclimax	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: I'd be Tankfull-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28465	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Question About Union Pacific Brand Standards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28466	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28467	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28468	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28469	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28470	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: National News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28471	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!--So much for humor!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28472	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: bubble wrap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28473	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Bubble wrap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28474	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: bubble wrap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28475	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Kreft E-unit Fingers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28476	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Bubble Wrap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28477	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28478	From: David	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28479	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28480	From: keefer1	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28481	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28482	From: Tim	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28483	From: Tim	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28484	From: keefer1	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28485	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28486	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Christmas layout photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28487	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: ...and speaking Christmas layout photos...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28488	From: Irving Washington	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28489	From: Neil Becker	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28490	From: Neil Becker	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28491	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28492	From: Tim	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28493	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid--lamp oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28494	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28495	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28496	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28497	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Model Trains to Operate at Union Pacific Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28498	From: pmcelroy	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Another Blatant Ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28499	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28500	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: SMOKE & MIRRORS>>>
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28501	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: UP and a more effective way to protest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28502	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re.UP licensing--apples and oranges, guys, let's get logical here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28503	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Free Classified Ads - a few more details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28504	From: Tim	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing--apples and oranges, guys, let's get logical he
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28505	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28506	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] SMOKE & MIRRORS>>>
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28507	From: Tim	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing--apples and oranges, guys, let's get logical he
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28508	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: I'd be Tankfull-
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28509	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28510	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: My AF 963 has "white acne"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28511	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28512	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Time out!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28513	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Status of the List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28514	From: Tom	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: civility in discourse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28515	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: Status of the List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28516	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Chat tonight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28517	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: the panel set lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28518	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: That Green Scenery stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28519	From: Bradley	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: The Panel Set Lives!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28520	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Maximum rise?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28521	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: NASG Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28522	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] NASG Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28523	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28524	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Maximum rise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28525	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: Note to Sunday Chattters-SHS Turnouts ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28526	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Bubblewrap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28527	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: AF Lionel Wire Wheel Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28528	From: waldootten	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: That Green Scenery stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28529	From: waldootten	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28530	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: : [S-Trains] Kreft E-unit Fingers ( afp products )
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28531	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28532	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: UP and Bedford Falls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28533	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: Bubblewrap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28534	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Poor performance of Workman Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28535	From: Tim	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Trestle trusses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28536	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Here we go again.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28537	From: waldootten	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: Here we go again.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28538	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: Trestle trusses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28539	From: keefer1	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28540	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28541	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28542	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Greenberg's York, Pa.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28543	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: test~~~~delete please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28544	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: S scale vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28545	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: S scale vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28546	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: New S-Helper Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28547	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28548	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28549	From: William Lange	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Christmas layout 2003 - a poem!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28550	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: New SHS Catalog - Great Job
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28551	From: Dan	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: New S-Helper Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28552	From: Dan	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: Trestle trusses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28553	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Yellow wire on AF Panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28554	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28555	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Storage boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28556	From: EagleTrains	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28557	From: martyl11	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Screwing down K-line tack.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28558	From: Tim	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28559	From: AF336	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28560	From: Jim G	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Which is better the MTH or AF re-issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28561	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28562	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28563	From: AF336	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28564	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28565	From: Eagle Trains	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28566	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Fw: (General) UP Logo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28567	From: waldootten	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28568	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: David's "Fixin' Flyer" photo....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28569	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28570	From: keefer1	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28571	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: David's "Fixin' Flyer" photo....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28572	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: SHS catalog....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28573	From: AF336	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Christmas layout now magnetic Reese's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28574	From: J Carnes	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Christmas layout photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28575	From: AF336	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28576	From: roy inman	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Holiday layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28577	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Holiday layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28578	From: William Lange	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Christmas Layout - 2003
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28579	From: Tim	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: SHS catalog....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28580	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: SHS catalog....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28581	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Which is better the MTH or AF re-issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28582	From: keefer1	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: transformers,give away,not blatant for sale ad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28583	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: $$$$$..Isnt it always about the $$$$$$$ "YES" ..UNFORTUNATLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28584	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: $$$$$..Isnt it always about the $$$$$$$ "YES" ..UNFORTUNATLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28585	From: waldootten	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: $$$$$..Isnt it always about the $$$$$$$ "YES" ..UNFORTUNATLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28586	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Gathering at The Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28587	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: HO. HO. HO. (washingtonpost.com)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28588	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Racing Champions Route 66 1/64th scale auto's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28589	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2112
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28590	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28591	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Season Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28592	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28593	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28594	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28595	From: roy inman	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Holiday cheers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28596	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28597	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: best holiday wishes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28598	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28599	From: fkopetz2000	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Happy Holidays...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28600	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28601	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Racing Champions Route 66 1/64th scale auto's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28602	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28603	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas/Seasons Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28604	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Holiday greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28605	From: William Lange	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28606	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Seasons Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28607	From: AF336	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Final drive gear for magnetic crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28608	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas Layout - 2003
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28609	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28610	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: Final drive gear for magnetic crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28611	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Remember when?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28612	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28613	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Happy Holidays Everyone!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28614	From: TCS	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28615	From: TCS	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: url's for new decal sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28616	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: HAY >>>>XMAS CHAT >>WHY NOT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28617	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Christmas Chat....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28618	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: OSH CALENDAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28619	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28620	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28621	From: roy inman	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28622	From: roy inman	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: SHS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28623	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28624	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28625	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28626	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: "Reliable" spelled S-H-S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28627	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Psssssttttt.........................
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28628	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Lanes Trains is open for business!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28629	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Re: Final drive gear for magnetic crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28630	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: More pictures! More Fun!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28631	From: AF336	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Re: Final drive gear for magnetic crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28632	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Long Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28633	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Re: Long Trains-How Long ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28634	From: AF336	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Better pictures of Crane Gear.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28635	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Season Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28636	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas to all!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28637	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28638	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: OSH Calendars offer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28639	From: butchclimax	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28640	From: keefer1	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Re: Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28641	From: Tim	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Mid-train pusher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28642	From: Tim	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Re: Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28643	From: roy inman	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Long Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28644	From: Larry Huff	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Northeast Ohio Engine Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28645	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28646	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: OSH Calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28647	From: Carl	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: Mid-train pusher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28648	From: bullwinkl.geo	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: How do you rewind an armature and field?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28649	From: keefer1	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: EBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28650	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Keeping Kadees Coupled ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28651	From: Richard Purnell	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Wiring Seaboard Coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28652	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Keeping Kadees Coupled ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28653	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Larry Fisher~~artist for the OSH calendar~~link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28654	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: UP's 3985 to attend the Super Bowl
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28655	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: UP's 3985 to attend the Super Bowl
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28656	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Dad's trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28657	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: How do you rewind an armature and field?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28658	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: PPssssttttt...........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28659	From: Tim	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Slow down those loci!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28660	From: Ronald	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: You have me in your grips!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28661	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: Slow down those loci!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28662	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: In your grip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28663	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring Seaboard Coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28664	From: Jim G	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: Dad's trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28665	From: jackotrains	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: American Flyer Pony Express Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28666	From: jackotrains	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: American Flyer NYC - PA units.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28667	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28668	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring Seaboard Coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28669	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Pleasant Surprise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28670	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Keeping Kadees Coupled ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28671	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Marx Revolving Beacon Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28672	From: keefer1	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: Marx Revolving Beacon Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28673	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28674	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Hot Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28675	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: Hot Wheels '47 Chevy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28676	From: vickiec40403	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: american flyer 23796 by lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28677	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: 47 Chevy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28678	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: You have me in your grips!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28679	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: You have me in your grips!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28680	From: knockbill	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Marx tower.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28681	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28682	From: Jim	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: "S" Gauge Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28683	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: 2003 AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28684	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28685	From: larryasp	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: AF322 Help Needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28686	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28687	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28688	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28689	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Fw: Question About Union Pacific Brand Standards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28690	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Davis Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28691	From: TCS	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28692	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: My 290 has kicked the smoking habit...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28693	From: keefer1	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: transformer give away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28694	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Classic Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28695	From: keefer1	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: ebay ebay ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28696	From: Mike Vana	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Lionel/AF Baldwin Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28697	From: bullwinkl.geo	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Oh the smell of burning...something. Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28698	From: jimcahir	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: New member - old AF train set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28699	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Oh the smell of burning...something. Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28700	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: People for Guilford Animated Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28701	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Coal Loader gift
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28702	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Moe & Joe Lumber
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28703	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2119
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28704	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Delivering the Mail.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28706	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Davis Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28707	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Note on OSH calendar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28708	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Delivering the Mail.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28709	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe Lumber
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28710	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28711	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28712	From: keefer1	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28713	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: AF by Lionel, part two, PSU cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28714	From: waldootten	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Let's post more of the answers here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28715	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of the answers here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28716	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of the answers here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28717	From: John G	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe Lumber
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28718	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Let's post more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28719	From: bullwinkl.geo	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Smoke and "flame" ooops! sorry. Follow up retraction.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28720	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Express Mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28721	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Express Mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28722	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Express Mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28723	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Express Mail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28724	From: keefer1	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: SCALE O EXPERTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28725	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2120
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28726	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28727	From: doug	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28728	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Moe & Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28729	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28730	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: #695 Reverse loop reay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28731	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Let's post more of.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28732	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Why we find used action cars with pick-up wheels switched to other
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28733	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Moe and Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28734	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Why we find used action cars with pick-up wheels switched to ot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28735	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Why we find used action cars with pick-up wheels switched to ot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28736	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28737	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of the answers here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28738	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28739	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe - Variable Resistor Spec
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28740	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: NEW ADDRESS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28741	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: The new CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28742	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: The new CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28743	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Baldwin Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28744	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: The new CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28745	From: M.McConnell	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of the answers here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28746	From: waldootten	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Pricing discrepancy in TM's AF 2004 guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28747	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: NEW ADDRESS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28748	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: photo album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28749	From: bullwinkl.geo	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: No Smoke no flame! The 497 saga continues.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28750	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: CAIG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28751	From: pegb88	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Which Direction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28752	From: uvl97222	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Hello all
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28753	From: Tim	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28754	From: macflyer@fuse.net	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2121
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28755	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28756	From: roy inman	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Which Direction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28757	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: U25B paint schemes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28758	From: Carl	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Which Direction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28759	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: TCA Museum Visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28760	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: TCA Museum Visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28761	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: L's Moe and Joe, replying, and searching
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28762	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Photos, Events, and Kindness
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28763	From: Marty	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Train Pic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28764	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28765	From: Marty	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Pic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28766	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28767	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Need home town of S-Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28768	From: knockbill	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: K5 question....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28769	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: May I add my .02 ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28770	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: TCA Museum Visit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28771	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Need home town of S-Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28772	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28773	From: Irving washington	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: new member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28774	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Looking for Answers (Requested URLS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28775	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: WARNING VW CAR AD & E-BAY STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28776	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28777	From: Carl	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28778	From: pegb88	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Introductions in Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28779	From: Tim	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: New Year's Resolutions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28780	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Pricing discrepancy in TM's AF 2004 guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28781	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: New Year's Resolutions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28782	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Happy new year
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28783	From: waldootten	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Pricing discrepancy in TM's AF 2004 guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28784	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: New Year greeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28785	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Need home town of S-Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28786	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Pricing discrepancy in TM's AF 2004 guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28787	From: larryasp	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28788	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Introductions in Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28789	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Introductions in Order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28790	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28791	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: LTI ADDRESS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28792	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: "Midnight Run"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28793	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: LTI ADDRESS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28794	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: ###### HAPPY NEW YEAR 2004 CHAT ###########
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28795	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: LTI ADDRESS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 28796	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 22713	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: Bubbling tubes

Yes, there are three different bubbling tubes. The Checkerboard tube ( with the red tip) is longer, since it protrudes through the top of the tank. The tube for the smaller red water tank towers are shorter. They have no red tip because you can't see the tip anyway....it's inside the tank. The tube for the oil derricks is like #2, except the liquid is amber in color. We stock all three. BTW---Be sure you use these with the correct bulb, #430, for maximum heat. It's also not a bad idea to run them on a small dedicated transformer. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22714	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: More Christmas Layout Photos

I posted photos of my Christmas layouts at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album08 They start at photo 170 on page 19. Happy New Year! Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22715	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Mailbags / Thanks

Regarding the color of prototype mailbags, a friend has one from the last run of a UP train to Kansas City, and it is made of white cloth. The American Flyer mailbags don't look like it, but perhaps there were several types of mailbags. And I want to say thanks to all who replied to my request to fix those wheels that slipped on the axle of a 332AC. The axles are OK; the holes in the wheels are too big in diameter. Loctite did not work. Otherwise, I haven't had time to work on it. I saved all the replies, though, and will look at them all, and get back to fix it soon. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22716	From: Chris Simmonds	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: tender problems

Hello everyone. My 302 runs great when the tender is by-passed but it will not run when hooked up to the tender. I am recieving a small shock when I touch the tender. Should both front and rear trucks be electically isolated from the tender body. There appears to be no fiber insulating washer on the top of the rear truck..should there be? The front truck has both insulating washers top and bottom but is still grounded to the body when tested for continuity. I hope this message makes sense. Maybe if someone could tell me if any points (front and rear trucks and upper and lower contacts) should be grounded. Thanks in advance for any help. chirs simmonds __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22717	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Building Photo Albums

For those of you working on building photo albums. I suggest you organize using sub-albums Like Joe Blows Pictures: sub album Christmas layout sub album conventions & meets sub sub album NASG 2000 sub sub album NASG 2002 sub sub album Altoona 2001 sub album Club layout sub album Scale layout sub album scenery projects sub album loco project sub sub album 0-8-0 sub sub album 2-4-2 etc.... This is only a suggestion. Contact me if you need assistance. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22718	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: S-Mod Graphic images

I have been told that I lack the needed permission to display S-Mod corner diagrams. I have removed that photo album. I think this type of thing is important for S, S-Mod, NASG and Dispatch. I am sorry I am not able to share these with you at this time. I suspect that some of the groups that create modules have drawings and sketches that they are willing to share on the web. Please contact me off list. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22719	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: Re-Railers (Blatant commercial)

WARNING: BLATANT COMMERCIAL ANNOUNCEMENT! For those who need one (or more), we have just received a first shipment of reproduction AF re-railer track sections. These are identical to the original ACG rerailers, made of black plastic, using either brand new rail, or replated original AF rail. We have them in hand and ready to ship, at $17.95 each, for a limited time. Price MAY increase at a future date, but I am still uncertain about that. Visit our website page, "What's New", to see a photo. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22720	From: skendel	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: Best looking locomotives

----- Original Message ----- > From: bellokdaka@... > Subject: Re: Best looking locomotives > > My picks, Diesel: Santa Fe Alco PA ......... > Steam: U.P. 4-8-4.................................... > Obie I STRONGLY agree!! (Except, being an Arkansas resident, I have a special place in my heart for the MoPac diesels.) Skip Kendel

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22721	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Locomotives

Dear Dale, Both locomotives seem to be model #3307 offered in 1932 and maybe 1933. The 4-wheeled tender, #3189, is shown with the 3307 locomotive in the 1932 catalog. The 8-wheel tender is shown in the 1932 catalog with the next more expensive locomotive. It looks like you could use either tender with either locomotive. Regards, Roger Delthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22722	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Ho Help

Hi Gents, I received help from Eric Reis, Tim Brown, Doug Peck and Harwood. It is nice to know the brethren are there to help in even such wayward requests as one for a lesser size train. Happy New Year, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 wpporter@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22723	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Set Box ID?

While going through some AF items this evening, I found a set box marked 21 3306, 20025 - 5625T with the red and white label. I do not have a reference for sets. Does anyone know what engine this set contained? Thanks. John Conn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22724	From: keith kuzma	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re : rerailer

I got one from Doug.It looks and works like an original.Great job on a long overdue item.Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22725	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: Set Box ID?

372,941,924.970,911,904, + t/t....bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <JConn444@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Set Box ID? > While going through some AF items this evening, I found a set box marked 21 > 3306, 20025 - 5625T with the red and white label. I do not have a reference > for sets. Does anyone know what engine this set contained? Thanks. John Conn > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22726	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: tender problems

Chris, Your tender body/frame should be electrically isolated. Both front and rear trucks should have the shouldered insulation bushings on top, and the large fiber insulation washer between the trucks and the chassis. Look for solder bridging over an insulated gap, or possibly the reverse unit coil is grounding to its frame. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22727	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: Re: Set Box ID?

Hi, I have no idea what the "21", "3306" or "20025" numbers mean. But, according to my source (The Almost Complete Guide To American Flyer S Gauge Sets), the 5625T was set number 312, made in 1956. It included a transformer, 372, 941, 924, 970, 911, 904 and was called "The New GM Union Pacific Freight". Hope I'm right, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: JConn444@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Set Box ID? While going through some AF items this evening, I found a set box marked 21 3306, 20025 - 5625T with the red and white label. I do not have a reference for sets. Does anyone know what engine this set contained? Thanks. John Conn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22728	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/1/2003
Subject: MTH coal loader questions

I am trying to correct three issues with operation of the MTH loader. First, the carriage that rolls up and down the track to move the bucket in and out sometimes comes off the track. Based on my observations, the main problem is that the wheels are loose and wobbly. As on real and model train trucks, they should be affixed to the axle so they do not wobble and so they stay in gauge. Have any of you figured out how to fix them? Second and third, I am trying to make my coal loader child proof. Not so it cannot be broken--just so pushing the buttons cannot make it malfunction. When my young nephew was playing with it, he did two things that caused problems. He kept pushing the down-button after the bucket was on the coal, and then when the bucket was all the way up, he kept pushing the up-button. The first caused too much slack so the line got off the rollers. The second tends to pull the carriage off the track and seems likely to damage the drive belt if allowed to go on too long. Have any of you figured out how to install limit switches to make it child proof? Thanks in advance, Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22729	From: David	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Set Box ID?

Cataloged 1956 372 UP GP-7 Loco 941 Frisco Gondola 970 Oper Seaboard Box 924 CRP Hopper 911 C&O Gondola 904 Caboose 1 1/2 Trans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22730	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Passionate About S

First let me say thanks to all of you who care so passionately about 'S'. I don't think any other scale evokes such strong feelings. OK now lets all get back down to earth. I think we have several issues that need to be addressed. 1) (I think) The Module Standards should be made web friendly and published on the web. It will take some work. Maybe we can convert some of that passion into labor? (To do this 'RIGHT' is a much bigger job than most folks realize) 2) The issue that started this is a completely differnt issue (some what related). It involves publishing graphics given to Ted, with the specific permission to use in 'Module Corner' Dispatch articles. He asked me to remove them from the web till we could get permission from the authors. I guess it is my fault for not including all the details in my original note. Ted has done alot for 'S', his wonderful articles and work with the S-Mod standards just to name a few. Ted also has been a great help to me, in managing the S-Scale list and I hope he will forgive me for causing this firestorm. Lets all take a timeout and determine exactly what it is we want and how much of our valuable time we are willing to spend to make it happen. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22732	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Enjoy these mules

http://www.owensvalleyhistory.com/20_mule_team/page9b.html Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22733	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Fwd: eBay item 1087590477 (Ends Apr-01-02 225751 PST ) - 20 MULE TE

More mules, Jim Sleeth Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22734	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Fwd: Google Image Result for twopenny-gallery.com-essenay-tdvmulet.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 22735	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: MTH coal loader questions

Hi, It could probably be worked out using a couple little micro-switches from Radio Shack with a whole lot of tedious trail and error experimentation. My sawmill could easily be broken, as could my crane and even my oil drum loader. May I respectfully suggest, however, that it's about impossible to child-proof an entire Flyer layout. IMHO, close supervision is the most practical approach. By the time we get everything child-proofed, they'll be in college! :) :) I don't recall seeing any of those kinds of accessories set up in an inter-active way on any public layouts I've had the pleasure of pushing buttons on. I believe the reason is because a lot of action accessories, except maybe air chime whistles, beacons, etc. require too frequent help from the "big hand in the sky". Have fun! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance McCold To: S-Trains Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] MTH coal loader questions I am trying to correct three issues with operation of the MTH loader. First, the carriage that rolls up and down the track to move the bucket in and out sometimes comes off the track. Based on my observations, the main problem is that the wheels are loose and wobbly. As on real and model train trucks, they should be affixed to the axle so they do not wobble and so they stay in gauge. Have any of you figured out how to fix them? Second and third, I am trying to make my coal loader child proof. Not so it cannot be broken--just so pushing the buttons cannot make it malfunction. When my young nephew was playing with it, he did two things that caused problems. He kept pushing the down-button after the bucket was on the coal, and then when the bucket was all the way up, he kept pushing the up-button. The first caused too much slack so the line got off the rollers. The second tends to pull the carriage off the track and seems likely to damage the drive belt if allowed to go on too long. Have any of you figured out how to install limit switches to make it child proof? Thanks in advance, Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22736	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF SteamEngines

I noticed that the finish does not hold up on American Flyer Steam Engines compared to Lionel Engines. What do you use to clean the AF Steam Engines? Someone told me PLEDGE was ok or Armourall. Before I use these products, I like to get responses from forum members.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22737	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed

Richard, Here are some images from the AF Instruction book that might help. http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page23.jpg http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page24.jpg http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page25.jpg The complete manual will be on my site soon. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Richard Alexander [mailto:alexander_rick@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:15 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] switch specs needed I am attaching my left-handed switch and would love it if someone has the specs (instruction manual). The markings are ... American Flyer MGG by The A.G. Gilbert Co. New Haven, Conn U.S.A It has a nob that says "2 Train oper" and " Reg oper". It has 4 posts (green, yellow, red and black). And a light unit. Thanks __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22738	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Great Steam Engine Web Site

http://members.aol.com/vlcondon/index.htm Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22739	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Cookie Monster

http://www.railroadpix.com/rrphotos/detail/366.html Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22740	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Soldering doors shut (was "interior kits for sale/trade")

Dear Bill: Please do yourself a favor with your future cars. Rather than solder the doors shut, super glue them instead. This will make your life much happier should you ever change your mind and want one open. Super glue can be cut or dissolved and it melts at far lower temperature than good solder. Thanks for sharing this knowledge. Should any of your cars ever come up for sale I now know I need to ask before I bid. If the doors are soldered shut, I will pass. Thorin Message: 3 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:52:33 -0500 From: Bill Lane <billlane@...> Subject: interior kits for sale/trade Hi All, <clip> I have had a change of opinion on most brass cars. That is why the above are now not needed. I solder hatches and doors shut because it scratches paint and weathering jobs. There are plenty of opening doors on the S Helper Service cars etc. I recently set a record. I soldered SIX doors shut on 1 boxcar! The PRR X33a has 2 opening ends doors. I just finished decaling it. I will post a photo when it is completed. Thanks Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22741	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Bubbling tubes

Thank you Doug for the information. And thanks to many others who replied and have been helping me on this. I appreciate Dougs detailed description of which tube goes in which accessory. I had no idea we were dealing with at least THREE different types of bubble tubes. Thanks again to all, Wayne Golden Spike Club Doug Peck wrote: > > Yes, there are three different bubbling tubes. > The Checkerboard tube ( with the red tip) is longer, since it protrudes > through the top of the tank. > The tube for the smaller red water tank towers are shorter. They have no red > tip because you can't see the tip anyway....it's inside the tank. > The tube for the oil derricks is like #2, except the liquid is amber in > color. > We stock all three. > > BTW---Be sure you use these with the correct bulb, #430, for maximum heat. > It's also not a bad idea to run them on a small dedicated transformer. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. > Saturdays: 2-5 PM. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: www.portlines.com > E-mail: doug@... > VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22742	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1701

Chris: It sounds as if the wiring in your 302 tender has been switched, or pick up wheels have been reversed, creating a short between the tender and loco. The pick up wheels on the front set of trucks on the tender should be on the right side. Also required is an insulation washer in the draw bar between the loco and tender. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22743	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: AF Set 5625-T

Thanks for the replies regarding my set box. Now if I can figure out where my 904 caboose is? I have all of the cars except the caboose and box. Too bad its not one of the rare cars as I expect it will be found new in the box at the house where I grew up and received the set for Christmas. I probably didn't need another caboose on my 5' x 9' layout. John Conn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22744	From: David	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines

You must have been asked to clean some bad trains. In my 30+ years of cleaning and repairing trains, it was the Lionels that I had the paint flake off in sheets, or the lettering wash off for no apparent reason, not American Flyers. Never use any chemicals to clean your trains. Always use warm soap and water, and daub dry with a clean cloth.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22745	From: Richard Alexander	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed

Thanks to all who helped me (or tried to help me), but I guess I am a novice at this, so please bear with me!! I've been happily running 2 seperate loops (see attached) and wanted to switch between them. So I connected my 4 switches before realizing that I needed the switch controllers also (so I'll need to dig these up somewhere). Any design or wiring suggestions would be appreciated? PS: Does it matter if I restrict myself to 1 train, or can I wire it for 2 seperate trains? Also, the "track-trip" switch seems cool. Would I need 4 switches, 2 controllers and 2 track-trip switches? Thanks Rick --- Carl Tuveson <Carl@...> wrote: > Richard, > > Here are some images from the AF Instruction book > that might help. > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page23.jpg > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page24.jpg > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page25.jpg > > The complete manual will be on my site soon. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Alexander > [mailto:alexander_rick@...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:15 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] switch specs needed > > > I am attaching my left-handed switch and would love > it > if someone has the specs (instruction manual). > The markings are ... > American Flyer > MGG by The A.G. Gilbert Co. > New Haven, Conn U.S.A > It has a nob that says "2 Train oper" and " Reg > oper". > It has 4 posts (green, yellow, red and black). > And a light unit. > > Thanks > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22746	From: Richard Alexander	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed

Sorry - forgot the picture!! --- Richard Alexander <alexander_rick@...> wrote: > Thanks to all who helped me (or tried to help me), > but > I guess I am a novice at this, so please bear with > me!! > > I've been happily running 2 seperate loops (see > attached) and wanted to switch between them. > So I connected my 4 switches before realizing that I > needed the switch controllers also (so I'll need to > dig these up somewhere). > > Any design or wiring suggestions would be > appreciated? > > PS: Does it matter if I restrict myself to 1 train, > or > can I wire it for 2 seperate trains? > Also, the "track-trip" switch seems cool. > Would I need 4 switches, 2 controllers and 2 > track-trip switches? > > Thanks > > Rick > > --- Carl Tuveson <Carl@...> wrote: > > Richard, > > > > Here are some images from the AF Instruction book > > that might help. > > > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page23.jpg > > > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page24.jpg > > > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page25.jpg > > > > The complete manual will be on my site soon. > > > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Alexander > > [mailto:alexander_rick@...] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:15 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] switch specs needed > > > > > > I am attaching my left-handed switch and would > love > > it > > if someone has the specs (instruction manual). > > The markings are ... > > American Flyer > > MGG by The A.G. Gilbert Co. > > New Haven, Conn U.S.A > > It has a nob that says "2 Train oper" and " Reg > > oper". > > It has 4 posts (green, yellow, red and black). > > And a light unit. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22747	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed

Richard, Here is another drawing form the AF manual that shows several wiring scenarios used on a layout that may help when planing your layout. http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page8.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: Richard Alexander [mailto:alexander_rick@...] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:15 PM To: Carl Tuveson; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] switch specs needed Thanks to all who helped me (or tried to help me), but I guess I am a novice at this, so please bear with me!! I've been happily running 2 seperate loops (see attached) and wanted to switch between them. So I connected my 4 switches before realizing that I needed the switch controllers also (so I'll need to dig these up somewhere). Any design or wiring suggestions would be appreciated? PS: Does it matter if I restrict myself to 1 train, or can I wire it for 2 seperate trains? Also, the "track-trip" switch seems cool. Would I need 4 switches, 2 controllers and 2 track-trip switches? Thanks Rick --- Carl Tuveson <Carl@...> wrote: > Richard, > > Here are some images from the AF Instruction book > that might help. > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page23.jpg > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page24.jpg > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page25.jpg > > The complete manual will be on my site soon. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Alexander > [mailto:alexander_rick@...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:15 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] switch specs needed > > > I am attaching my left-handed switch and would love > it > if someone has the specs (instruction manual). > The markings are ... > American Flyer > MGG by The A.G. Gilbert Co. > New Haven, Conn U.S.A > It has a nob that says "2 Train oper" and " Reg > oper". > It has 4 posts (green, yellow, red and black). > And a light unit. > > Thanks > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22748	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed

Hi Richard. I just finished doing the same thing. First, using a dual control transformer is the easiest way. Wire one loop to one set of posts and the other loop to the other set of posts. Wherever a switch joins one loop with another, insulate only the inner rail with a fiber pin.Be sure to connect each loop to the transformer with the terminal clip posts on the same rail of each loop. Then you can run a separate train on each loop and with a semaphore run two on the same loop: two loops,two semaphores each loop,two trains each loop or four trains total, although not at the same time.Move all switches to "Two train operation". Hope this helps, and thanks to all those who helped me achieve this. John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Alexander <alexander_rick@y...> wrote: > Sorry - forgot the picture!! > > --- Richard Alexander <alexander_rick@y...> > wrote: > > Thanks to all who helped me (or tried to help me), > > but > > I guess I am a novice at this, so please bear with > > me!! > > > > I've been happily running 2 seperate loops (see > > attached) and wanted to switch between them. > > So I connected my 4 switches before realizing that I > > needed the switch controllers also (so I'll need to > > dig these up somewhere). > > > > Any design or wiring suggestions would be > > appreciated? > > > > PS: Does it matter if I restrict myself to 1 train, > > or > > can I wire it for 2 seperate trains? > > Also, the "track-trip" switch seems cool. > > Would I need 4 switches, 2 controllers and 2 > > track-trip switches? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rick > > > > --- Carl Tuveson <Carl@W...> wrote: > > > Richard, > > > > > > Here are some images from the AF Instruction book > > > that might help. > > > > > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page23.jpg > > > > > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page24.jpg > > > > > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page25.jpg > > > > > > The complete manual will be on my site soon. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Richard Alexander > > > [mailto:alexander_rick@y...] > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:15 PM > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [S-Trains] switch specs needed > > > > > > > > > I am attaching my left-handed switch and would > > love > > > it > > > if someone has the specs (instruction manual). > > > The markings are ... > > > American Flyer > > > MGG by The A.G. Gilbert Co. > > > New Haven, Conn U.S.A > > > It has a nob that says "2 Train oper" and " Reg > > > oper". > > > It has 4 posts (green, yellow, red and black). > > > And a light unit. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > > now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > > too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22749	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: switch specs needed

Right on- Where the two left switches and two right switches join the loops, insulate the inner rail between the switches.Remove a pin and replace with a fiber pin. Good to Go!John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carl Tuveson <carl@w...> wrote: > Richard, > > Here is another drawing form the AF manual that shows several wiring > scenarios used on a layout that may help when planing your layout. > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page8.htm > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Alexander [mailto:alexander_rick@y...] > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:15 PM > To: Carl Tuveson; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] switch specs needed > > > Thanks to all who helped me (or tried to help me), but > I guess I am a novice at this, so please bear with > me!! > > I've been happily running 2 seperate loops (see > attached) and wanted to switch between them. > So I connected my 4 switches before realizing that I > needed the switch controllers also (so I'll need to > dig these up somewhere). > > Any design or wiring suggestions would be appreciated? > > PS: Does it matter if I restrict myself to 1 train, or > can I wire it for 2 seperate trains? > Also, the "track-trip" switch seems cool. > Would I need 4 switches, 2 controllers and 2 > track-trip switches? > > Thanks > > Rick > > --- Carl Tuveson <Carl@W...> wrote: > > Richard, > > > > Here are some images from the AF Instruction book > > that might help. > > > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page23.jpg > > > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page24.jpg > > > > http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page25.jpg > > > > The complete manual will be on my site soon. > > > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Alexander > > [mailto:alexander_rick@y...] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:15 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] switch specs needed > > > > > > I am attaching my left-handed switch and would love > > it > > if someone has the specs (instruction manual). > > The markings are ... > > American Flyer > > MGG by The A.G. Gilbert Co. > > New Haven, Conn U.S.A > > It has a nob that says "2 Train oper" and " Reg > > oper". > > It has 4 posts (green, yellow, red and black). > > And a light unit. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22750	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1701

In a message dated 1/2/2003 1:06:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > s_trains@... > Paul, I have pictures of my Christmas layouts. I have individual pictures > and I have a Powerpoint presentation. I would like to have your help in > knowing how to upload the individual pictures and/or the powerpoint > presentation. Thanks. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22751	From: Dwight Dold	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Re; What did'ya get?

Slot cars and train crossings, check the 1964 Gilbert Toys and Transportation Catalogue, page 26, there is a railway-highway grade crossing no. 19224. This lets you combine Auto-Rama Superhighway with a model train layout. Think S Dwight S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > Hi, > > Concerning incorporating trains with slot cars: One way to handle a grade crossing would be with the "jump" section of roadway. I think there is also a "which lane chicane" section and a "loop the loop section". How cool and dramatic would it be to jump the cars over the trains! Wouldn't THAT get the attention of people at a show!!! And all with AC Gilbert stuff. > > Have fun! > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: eighthmile > To: Tim Brown > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 1:48 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re; What did'ya get? > > > Tim, > > I've been exploring a similar idea with our collection of HO (actually much closer to 1/64) scale slot cars. The most complex issue would be a working grade crossing, of course. I'm hoping the RC cars used with the trains in a public display will get the attention of younger visitors. Couldn't hurt, I guess. > > Take care. > > Chuck F. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22752	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Repro Rerailers

Doug, Do the new rerailers address the problem that the originals had? Namely -- rail sag that caused unwanted uncoupling? Thanks, Don >These are identical to the >original ACG rerailers, made of black plastic, using either brand new rail, >or replated original AF rail. >We have them in hand and ready to ship, at $17.95 each, for a limited time. >Price MAY increase at a future date, but I am still uncertain about that. >Visit our website page, "What's New", to see a photo. >Doug Peck >Port Lines Hobby Supply

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22753	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Building Photo Albums

Paul - I'll take the lead once again to admit that I'm clueless! I have been through all of the links, I checked nesting to set properties the same, but I cannot figure out how to create sub-albums within my album. HELP! Thanks for all your guidance. Dick (AF Kuepper) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> To: <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Building Photo Albums > For those of you working on building photo albums. > I suggest you organize using sub-albums > > Like Joe Blows Pictures: > sub album Christmas layout > sub album conventions & meets > sub sub album NASG 2000 > sub sub album NASG 2002 > sub sub album Altoona 2001 > sub album Club layout > sub album Scale layout > sub album scenery projects > sub album loco project > sub sub album 0-8-0 > sub sub album 2-4-2 > etc.... > > This is only a suggestion. > Contact me if you need assistance. > > > > > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22754	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Building Photo Albums

**(((I'll take the lead once again to admit that I'm clueless! I have been through all of the links, I checked nesting to set properties the same, but I cannot figure out how to create sub-albums within my album.)))*** Dick,... Once you log in,....click on "new nested album"......it made a new album with my album. ....if of course,....this is what you mean!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22755	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: 321 SIT NYC Hudson estimate

I have a 321 Hudson SIT with New York Central on the tender in silver. The engine lettering is pretty clear, but the tender lettering is getting pretty light. The engine runs nice and looks good, but it draws a little more current than a conventional Hudson. I was wondering if anyone knew a little history on this engine. I have not seen one on Ebay. Is it relatively uncommon? What would a VG to VG+ be worth? Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22756	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Parts Wanted...787 Log Loader

Howdy from the Great White North...eh I need the log lifter for a 787..Has anyone got 1 in parts ...??? If so i'd like to hear from you .....THANX.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22757	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Repro Rerailers

Hi Don, When I buy a vintage rerailer that has bent or sagged rails, I pull them and replace them with straight rails from a piece of good, straight track. It fixes that problem with hardly a trace. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Abrams To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Repro Rerailers Doug, Do the new rerailers address the problem that the originals had? Namely -- rail sag that caused unwanted uncoupling? Thanks, Don >These are identical to the >original ACG rerailers, made of black plastic, using either brand new rail, >or replated original AF rail. >We have them in hand and ready to ship, at $17.95 each, for a limited time. >Price MAY increase at a future date, but I am still uncertain about that. >Visit our website page, "What's New", to see a photo. >Doug Peck >Port Lines Hobby Supply S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22758	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: 321 SIT NYC Hudson estimate

Mark, My 2000 TM Price Guide lists a 321 NYC Hudson at $220 in excellent condition. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kiner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 321 SIT NYC Hudson estimate I have a 321 Hudson SIT with New York Central on the tender in silver. The engine lettering is pretty clear, but the tender lettering is getting pretty light. The engine runs nice and looks good, but it draws a little more current than a conventional Hudson. I was wondering if anyone knew a little history on this engine. I have not seen one on Ebay. Is it relatively uncommon? What would a VG to VG+ be worth? Mark S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22759	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Rerailers

From: Don Abrams <donabrams@...> Subject: Repro Rerailers Doug, Do the new rerailers address the problem that the originals had? Namely -- rail sag that caused unwanted uncoupling? Thanks, Don >These are identical to the >original ACG rerailers, made of black plastic, using either brand new rail, >or replated original AF rail. >We have them in hand and ready to ship, at $17.95 each, for a limited time. >Price MAY increase at a future date, but I am still uncertain about that. >Visit our website page, "What's New", to see a photo. <Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted. Don---- Who knows what will happen to these 50 years from now! As stated, they are essentially "identical". No design change. Whether the plastic injection might be a bit stronger than 50 years ago....who knows........... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22760	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines

Speaking from a Museum Curator's point of view, I would not use either product on my trains--I don't even allow Armor-all on my property! Main reason is because they contain Silicone, which causes problems long-term. A dilute solution of detergent (and I mean DILUTE) is what I use. I haven't found the black paint to be a problem, but the lettering sure has to be handled with "kid gloves." S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22761	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/2/2003
Subject: AF Instruction Book.

I have finished scanning the 1952 American Flyer Instruction book and it is now posted on my web site at: http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/ManualThumb.htm I has many of the operating instructions and wiring diagrams for the AF accessories of the period. I hope it will be useful, Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22762	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines

David, Surly there must be SOMETHING one could use on an old Flyer steamer to make it shine. You guys use high-grade paste wax on antique cars. C'mon, David. Give it up. What is the secret formula? :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; joppdp@... Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cleaning AF SteamEngines Speaking from a Museum Curator's point of view, I would not use either product on my trains--I don't even allow Armor-all on my property! Main reason is because they contain Silicone, which causes problems long-term. A dilute solution of detergent (and I mean DILUTE) is what I use. I haven't found the black paint to be a problem, but the lettering sure has to be handled with "kid gloves." S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22763	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: #23 Coal

Joe's Train Repair now has reproduction #23 Coal in a 16 ounce bag for $2.25 plus S&H. Also, my parts listing containing over 1,600 parts for American Flyer trains is available free for a self-addressed, double stamped envelope to the address in my signature file below. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22764	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Re; What did'ya get?

Dwight wrote: >Slot cars and train crossings, check the 1964 Gilbert Toys and >Transportation Catalogue, page 26, there is a railway-highway grade >crossing no. 19224. This lets you combine Auto-Rama Superhighway >with a model train layout. Think S Trouble is, the Autorama cars are WAY out of S scale, being closer to 1/43. Many so-called "HO scale" cars made since the mid '70s are within 10% of 1/64 scale. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22765	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Soldering doors & Hatches shut

Thorin & All, I can appreciate your concern for the doors and hatches on my rolling stock. I have previously Super Glued a few shut. But they seemed to have a way of coming loose over time. That leaves a patch of bare brass that must be repaired to match the paint. I also realized something. that there is NOTHING inside to see! I give you the following car. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/X32a.jpg This is a beautiful PRR boxcar that River Raisin made a number of years ago. I wanted a one of a kind car, so I removed the original opening end doors to make it PRR class X32a. I then added a prototypical draft gear, with an accurate paint and weathering job. Yes, the remaining doors are soldered shut. I would like to think that ANYONE on this list would be able to appreciate that this is a one of a kind superdetailed car and my paintwork to the point that sliding doors are insignificant. As previously mentioned, there are PLENTY of plastic cars that have sliding doors. Thanks Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22767	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines

Tim, Old S gauge AF steamers didn't shine, they were a semi-gloss finish!! If you want shine, you might try some Meguire's #7, it doesn't contain silicones, but I haven't tried it on a train yet! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22768	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: More layouts Posted

A Happy and Successful New Year to all! To launch the new year, I just uploaded 60 new track plans to my site. They range from doorway layouts to 6' by 10, depending o nthe scale. There are 8 new S track plans among them, for American flkyer and S-trax. These include designs with scenery, buildings and operatins accessories, accompanied by 3D drawings. The S layouts are i nthe new Fun Actio nand Animated layouts heading. There are also new O, O27, Atlas o, Real Trax, EZ Track 9HO / ON30), G and Standard gauge plans posted. Some O plans were added to Doorway Layouts. Flyer and S-trax plans include popular AF accessories like the oil drum loader, lof loader, sawmill, etc. Links to them are i nthe O/O27 and S Gauge sections of my site at http://www.thortrains.net Enjoy! Thor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22769	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: AF Instruction Book.

To Carl and all the people who are putting catalogues, etc. on sites. Thank you for taking the time and energy to help all of us in S gauge! I find these very helpful and just plain interesting to read and use. As they say here, Godt nytt år [good (happy) new year]. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Carl Tuveson wrote: >I have finished scanning the 1952 American Flyer Instruction book and it is >now posted on my web site at: > >http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/ManualThumb.htm > >I has many of the operating instructions and wiring diagrams for the AF >accessories of the period. > >I hope it will be useful, >Carl > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22770	From: AF336	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: 321 SIT NYC Hudson estimate

Thanks to everyone who provided details about the 321. BTW, it does have the brass buttons on the bottom of the chassis. I have a question about restoration, since the lettering is readable on the tender, should I restore the lettering or leave it as is? The loco is pretty clean with very few chips. When ACG stamped the loco they didn't exactly have the stamp parallel to the surface on one side, but that is the only thing to be very critical about. So should I leave it alone or restamp the "New York Central"????? I probably already goofed up a little as when I got this several years ago. I replaced the link coupler with a KC. Plus the lettering on the tender lost a lot when I washed it. I used dawn dishwashing liquid that was recommended by someone I talked to at the time as the engine had a lot of dust. The dust cleaned of very well, but I did the tender first and the lettering on the tender was like dried silver dust. I could see some of it bleed when the soapy water hit it. I pretty much avoided the letters on the loco after this experience. When I had the tender shell off I noticed that the bellows was looking a little tread bare, but I haven't replaced it and it does still pump. I had to cut a little of the smoke tube as it was cracked and swelled on the end, but only had to cut off about 3/16" or so. Mar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22771	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars

According to their web site, the New York Central diner/coach combo have shipped. Has anyone seen them? And, do they have die cast metal sprung trucks as advertised (the passenger cars in the set have plastic sided trucks with no springs). Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22772	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines

In a message dated 1/3/2003 2:13:11 AM Mountain Standard Time, Timboy@... writes: i have used a clean shoe brush with out the wax on it and it works pretty good also there is a cloth that is a trasan network miracle cloth just type in trasan cloth and it will take you to there site now i haven't tryed this cloth yet but it came highly recomended by a very reliable s gauger that is all i can give you on cleaning marv d [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22773	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars

I bought one of these poor excuses for a train also, & while the paint & lettering are good , the trucks are as you pointed out not what they said they would be. also did you or anyone else noticed how loose & xtra high the trucks on the engs.are? Mine are so loose that the engine rocks & the trucks will derail easily. All I can say is good bye to Lionel as they have done it to Me for the last time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan C Udy" <nsupbnsf@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars According to their web site, the New York Central diner/coach combo have shipped. Has anyone seen them? And, do they have die cast metal sprung trucks as advertised (the passenger cars in the set have plastic sided trucks with no springs). Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22774	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: I've Been Working On the Railroad (washingtonpost.com)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1451-2003Jan2.html An article from the Washington Post Weekend section, cover story, about Model Railroading, in general. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22775	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: 321 SIT NYC Hudson estimate (eBay)

Hi, You will probably get a wide range of answers. Here's mine to add to the mix. Don't do any modifications. Restore the link couplers. Don't restamp the lettering or do any other kind of repainting, including "touchups". Clean the piece, fix it mechanically so it runs as well as it ever did and enjoy it until you pass it along to someone else. I believe that permanent modifications and repaintings decrease the collector value considerably. Look on eBay. The cherry pieces command tip top dollar. Everything else is down from there. The only exception IMHO is if you come across a piece of JUNK - do whatever you want to with that. Chop it; paint it; whatever, 'cuz it's worthless anyway, except for parts. That's my opinion. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: AF336 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 321 SIT NYC Hudson estimate Thanks to everyone who provided details about the 321. BTW, it does have the brass buttons on the bottom of the chassis. I have a question about restoration, since the lettering is readable on the tender, should I restore the lettering or leave it as is? The loco is pretty clean with very few chips. When ACG stamped the loco they didn't exactly have the stamp parallel to the surface on one side, but that is the only thing to be very critical about. So should I leave it alone or restamp the "New York Central"????? I probably already goofed up a little as when I got this several years ago. I replaced the link coupler with a KC. Plus the lettering on the tender lost a lot when I washed it. I used dawn dishwashing liquid that was recommended by someone I talked to at the time as the engine had a lot of dust. The dust cleaned of very well, but I did the tender first and the lettering on the tender was like dried silver dust. I could see some of it bleed when the soapy water hit it. I pretty much avoided the letters on the loco after this experience. When I had the tender shell off I noticed that the bellows was looking a little tread bare, but I haven't replaced it and it does still pump. I had to cut a little of the smoke tube as it was cracked and swelled on the end, but only had to cut off about 3/16" or so. Mar S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22776	From: Dayna	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: availability of new releases

I have been on the road since mid December and will not be back to the shop until mid January. Some of you have sent in orders. They will be filled as soon as I get back. This trip is a combination of business and personal. Part of it has been spent setting up my new headquarters in Wisconsin where the business will be moving sometime this spring. I have also been doing a small amount of casting and assembly of display models. I added a few photos to the website. If you have any questions about your orders I have been checking my emails. I'll be at the Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach, Florida from the 10th through the 12th of January. For Joshua and all the others who have been awaiting the Downtown Hotel I just put a photo on the site. They will be shipping when I get home. I'll also be at the Amherst/Springfield, MA. show the first weekend in February. Any of you who go to that show please stop by and say hi. We are usually in the Stroh Building. Gotta run...business calls. Dayna Warner CEO Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22777	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: More layouts Posted

Many thanks to Thor and others for the help- with wiring two separate loops. My layout is one I took from the various s gauge layouts on Thor's site. Will check the others out to. Keep up the fine work and thanks Thor,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Uncle Thor <allgauge@b...>" <allgauge@b...> wrote: > A Happy and Successful New Year to all! > > To launch the new year, I just uploaded 60 new track plans to my > site. They range from doorway layouts to 6' by 10, depending o nthe > scale. There are 8 new S track plans among them, for American flkyer > and S-trax. These include designs with scenery, buildings and > operatins accessories, accompanied by 3D drawings. The S layouts are > i nthe new Fun Actio nand Animated layouts heading. There are also > new O, O27, Atlas o, Real Trax, EZ Track 9HO / ON30), G and Standard > gauge plans posted. Some O plans were added to Doorway Layouts. > > Flyer and S-trax plans include popular AF accessories like the oil > drum loader, lof loader, sawmill, etc. Links to them are i nthe > O/O27 and S Gauge sections of my site at http://www.thortrains.net > > > Enjoy! > > Thor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22778	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Lionel in general

This Christmas, I received a Lionel/American Flyer TTUX. As taken from the box, the two cars are coupled together but it comes with a separate truck that you can make the cars into units instead of being connected. I had not even run the the thing and it is broken. I had it sitting on a siding and being top heavy, it fell over due to where it was sitting was not quite level. There is a CHEAP little paper thin plastic bar that held the two together that broke. It is an easy enough fix and that is no problem. However when I called Lionel for a replacement part......one he told me he couldn't guarantee it would be the same color due to it being made "in the orient" and two...he says the cars are the same as Lionel..only the trucks are different. Just thought I would throw that in since someone else was unhappy with them. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22779	From: AF336	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars

I don't have this set, but I have seen some similar things on other LTI/Flyer. Out of curiosity I was wondering what type of track you were running your NYC PA units on...If it is S-helper track you will need to regauge the trucks. At least that has been my experience with all LTI/Flyer stuff on S-helper. The contact shoes need to be tweaked so that they will not run off the top of the rail of the thinner S-helper rail. (the regauging of the wheels wider may be enough to stop this little problem) If you want to get them to negotiate S-helper turnouts you need to do some other things. Also, I have fixed the rocking in this manner. The trucks are retained to the frame by insulating washers and a "c" clip retainer. (simiar to old flyer, but the tolerences were not held) The groove on the shaft is located far enough away that there is a lot of end play and rocking. I have some 20mm O.D. x 1mm thick washers that were about the right I.D. for the truck pivot shafts and I put them between the ring and the fiber washer and that made the mounting much more firm and my rocking was significantly reduced. (this really isn't a permanent mod. as you can remove the washers) It is a shame that these kind of things are necessary. I didn't buy this new passenger set, so I didn't realize the trucks were plastic. That really stinks..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Inscho" <ronnat@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Alan C Udy" <nsupbnsf@...> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars > I bought one of these poor excuses for a train also, & while the paint & > lettering are good , the trucks are as you pointed out not what they said > they would be. also did you or anyone else noticed how loose & xtra high the > trucks on the engs.are? Mine are so loose that the engine rocks & the trucks > will derail easily. All I can say is good bye to Lionel as they have done it > to Me for the last time. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan C Udy" <nsupbnsf@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:51 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars > > > According to their web site, the New York Central diner/coach combo have > shipped. Has anyone seen them? And, do they have die cast metal sprung > trucks as advertised (the passenger cars in the set have plastic sided > trucks with no springs). > > Alan Udy, RMHRS > Idaho Falls > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22780	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Speaking of log loaders

Any tips on how to get the log holder to accept the log when raised from the lifter on my 787? Thanks all,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22781	From: G C	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Using Lionel for S-scale

I have two Lionel gondola bodies which are the following: No. 6462 NYC Measuring: 51 feet long by 11 feet wide in "S" or 39 feet long by 8 1/4 feet wide in "O" Color: Black with eleven verticle braces on each side. No. 9031 NKP Measuring: 42 1/4 feet long by 11 feet wide in "S" or 31 1/2 feet long by 8 1/4 feet wide in "O" Color: Sort of Brown or Box Car Red with nine verticle braces on each side. My question is: Is there an internet or plain old fashioned book reference that someone in our "astute group" can suggest to me that would give some idea as to what prototypes would correspond to either or both of these items? Neither of the car bodies still have trucks. From the little I have found on "The Net", neither of these cars are rare. The 6462 NYC car is almost twenty five years older than the NKP No. 9031.6462 was produced from about 1948 until 1958, while 9031 was seen around the early 1970's. Both cars look as though they would be OK for "S" if given "S" trucks. I do at the very least, like to make my stuff appear as close to the prototype as possible. I would "of course" have to remove the "L" word off of both cars. We couldn't have that now could we? (Toungue In Cheek Here) Anyway, this is a great goup of folks and I am glad to have joined. I am sort of a Newbie to "S", but not to model railroading. Thanks for what help one or some of you can give on this one. Gene Cimino --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22782	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines

<<< From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines David, Surly there must be SOMETHING one could use on an old Flyer steamer to make it shine. You guys use high-grade paste wax on antique cars. C'mon, David. Give it up. What is the secret formula? :) :) Tim Brown>>> After washing a shell with MILD dishwash detergent (I use DAWN most of the time( or "Antique Toy Train Cleaner", I always hand-dry the shell (or use a hair-dryer), and then give it a brief mist of ENDUST....then rub it down. Endust will leave a very nice sheen, without leaving any residue behind, nor will it attract dust afterward. I've been using this for years, even with my own trains, and never experienced any after-effects. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22783	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Using Lionel for S-scale

I modified a gondola as you described by slicing it down the middle to make it skinny enough for s, then added a new wood floor. Made a decent looking S car. Did this in the days before SHS, AM, PRS and others gave us some variety in rolling stock. G C wrote: > > I have two Lionel gondola bodies which are the following: > > No. 6462 NYC Measuring: 51 feet long by 11 feet wide in "S" or 39 feet long by 8 1/4 feet wide in "O" Color: Black with eleven verticle braces on each side. > > No. 9031 NKP Measuring: 42 1/4 feet long by 11 feet wide in "S" or 31 1/2 feet long by 8 1/4 feet wide in "O" Color: Sort of Brown or Box Car Red with nine verticle braces on each side. > > My question is: Is there an internet or plain old fashioned book reference that someone in our "astute group" can suggest to me that would give some idea as to what prototypes would correspond to either or both of these items? Neither of the car bodies still have trucks. From the little I have found on "The Net", neither of these cars are rare. The 6462 NYC car is almost twenty five years older than the NKP No. 9031.6462 was produced from about 1948 until 1958, while 9031 was seen around the early 1970's. Both cars look as though they would be OK for "S" if given "S" trucks. I do at the very least, like to make my stuff appear as close to the prototype as possible. I would "of course" have to remove the "L" word off of both cars. We couldn't have that now could we? (Toungue In Cheek Here) Anyway, this is a great goup of folks and I am glad to have joined. I am sort of a Newbie to "S", but not to model railroading. > > Thanks for what help one or some of you can give on this one. > > Gene Cimino > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22784	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Using Lionel for S-scale

I have a Lionel fishbelly gondola, a B & O and associated roads prototype, that I converted to S. 9 vertical ribs. I cut out the ends with lengthwise cuts, cut a strip out of the middle of the car probably 3/8" wide, to make it the same width as a Flyer gon. Filed down the edges of the ends to fit and cemented them back on. Painted the car black, attached trucks, and lettered it with a John Hall decal set. My favorite Lionel conversion is the 6464 series boxcar body. You just run the razor saw down the two outermost grooves in the roofwalk. continue the cuts straight down through the ends. File to a perfect fit and glue the pieces together. Then file , glue, sand, etc., to hide the seams. Sand down the back side of the roofwalk on sandpaper rubber cemented to a flat board. Make it as thin as a Flyer roofwalk, and glue it back in place. You will have to do some trimming of the bottom edges too, depending on what kinds of trucks you use. CDS makes a lot of dry transfers for lettering S gauge boxcars. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22785	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines

After cleaning, I use a China Bristle paint brush to shine just like you would a pair of shoes. I NEVER use the brush for anything else. They run about $8-$12 Depending on where you get them. It must be a China bristle brush. Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22786	From: David Engle	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Using Lionel for S-scale

> > > > certain MARX cars, such as a 2-bay hopper, and a boxcar with a steeper than usual roof angle, can be converted directly. the box car will take an ACE frame as quickly as an AF one will.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22787	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: More SHS blatant commercialism

Re: More SHS blatant commercialism Today, we received the following roadnames of F-7s AT&SF freight Boston & Maine Denver & Rio Grande Western Great Northern Missouri Pacific Pennsylvania The are available as individual A & B units, A-A, A-B, A-B-A, A-B-B and A-B-B-A. All units are powered. Sound options include Dallee Locomatic sound (AC/DC) or Digitrax DCC (sound decoders are expected soon). Sound units can be placed in either A or B, or all units (stereo?). Also, AC or DC no sound option is also available. We started to ship today and most hobby shops and Walthers should have these next week. We expect the Undec F-7s next week and the AT&SF passenger units in 2 weeks. Don Thompson http://www.showcaseline.com/emdf7s/emdf7s.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22788	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: 342 Binding on Pikemaster Track

On my Christmas, I put down a oval of Pikemaster Track and my 302 Allantic runs fine, when I put the 0-8-0 #342, it binds on the curves. Is this due the the smaller radius of the Pikwmaster Track.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22789	From: John L.	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF SteamEngines

I was at a retired train dealers place the other day - and he started to polish one up with just a little bit of WD40 - Im not sure I approve of that one. Also I have seen one made to look very nice with a light applicaton vaseline - applied after washing in mild soap and water. David Dewey wrote: > Tim, > Old S gauge AF steamers didn't shine, they were a semi-gloss finish!! If > you want shine, you might try some Meguire's #7, it doesn't contain > silicones, but I haven't tried it on a train yet! > S' > David D. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22790	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars

The trucks on the cars are not plastic but are die cast metal as in the past and ARE as advertised in the catalog. They say nothing about sprung trucks? There is more slop in the PA unit's truck yokes than in some of earlier production runs but my LTI SantaFe PAs and many Geeps have the same problem so this is nothing new. It is a minor, correctable problem but should have been corrected at the factory not by the user. My big complaint is the sorry sounding horn and that the PA's trucks are silver instead of black to match the cars. The graphics and packaging are outstanding, and runs adequately but still needs to geared down. It is a very handsome set and will see a lot of run time on my layout. I am adding railsounds and TMCC to it soon with the Black side frames and Electrocouplers :-) IMHO, Carl -----Original Message----- From: AF336 [mailto:AF336@...] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:22 PM To: s-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars I don't have this set, but I have seen some similar things on other LTI/Flyer. Out of curiosity I was wondering what type of track you were running your NYC PA units on...If it is S-helper track you will need to regauge the trucks. At least that has been my experience with all LTI/Flyer stuff on S-helper. The contact shoes need to be tweaked so that they will not run off the top of the rail of the thinner S-helper rail. (the regauging of the wheels wider may be enough to stop this little problem) If you want to get them to negotiate S-helper turnouts you need to do some other things. Also, I have fixed the rocking in this manner. The trucks are retained to the frame by insulating washers and a "c" clip retainer. (simiar to old flyer, but the tolerences were not held) The groove on the shaft is located far enough away that there is a lot of end play and rocking. I have some 20mm O.D. x 1mm thick washers that were about the right I.D. for the truck pivot shafts and I put them between the ring and the fiber washer and that made the mounting much more firm and my rocking was significantly reduced. (this really isn't a permanent mod. as you can remove the washers) It is a shame that these kind of things are necessary. I didn't buy this new passenger set, so I didn't realize the trucks were plastic. That really stinks..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Inscho" <ronnat@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Alan C Udy" <nsupbnsf@...> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars > I bought one of these poor excuses for a train also, & while the paint & > lettering are good , the trucks are as you pointed out not what they said > they would be. also did you or anyone else noticed how loose & xtra high the > trucks on the engs.are? Mine are so loose that the engine rocks & the trucks > will derail easily. All I can say is good bye to Lionel as they have done it > to Me for the last time. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan C Udy" <nsupbnsf@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:51 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars > > > According to their web site, the New York Central diner/coach combo have > shipped. Has anyone seen them? And, do they have die cast metal sprung > trucks as advertised (the passenger cars in the set have plastic sided > trucks with no springs). > > Alan Udy, RMHRS > Idaho Falls > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22791	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF NYC Passenger Cars

In a message dated 1/3/2003 7:20:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, carl@... writes: > My big complaint is the sorry sounding horn and that the PA's trucks are > silver instead of black to match the cars. > Maybe, but silver PA power trucks and black passenger car trucks is what was prototypically correct for this rig on the NYC. The horn is another matter. :-) RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22792	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 5, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22793	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: MTH coal loader - again

I got several good suggestions when I posted this question earlier, but in hopes that the person who has the great idea did not see my previous post, here goes again. For those of you who saw the earlier post, I have added the responses I got to the end. If you are interested in what they say skip over my message to them. Isn't this is a great bunch of to share their ideas! Thanks in advance, Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee My original post: >I am trying to correct three issues with operation of the MTH loader. > >First, the carriage that rolls up and down the track to move the bucket in and out sometimes comes off the track. Based on my observations, the main problem is that the wheels are loose and wobbly. As on real and model train trucks, they should be affixed to the axle so they do not wobble and so they stay in gauge. Have any of you figured out how to fix them? > >Second and third, I am trying to make my coal loader child proof. Not so it cannot be broken--just so pushing the buttons cannot make it malfunction. When my young nephew was playing with it, he did two things that caused problems. He kept pushing the down-button after the bucket was on the coal, and then when the bucket was all the way up, he kept pushing the up-button. The first caused too much slack so the line got off the rollers. The second tends to pull the carriage off the track and seems likely to damage the drive belt if allowed to go on too long. Have any of you figured out how to install limit switches to make it child proof? Tim Brown said: >It could probably be worked out using a couple little micro-switches from Radio Shack with a whole lot of tedious trail and error experimentation. My sawmill could easily be broken, as could my crane and even my oil drum loader. May I respectfully suggest, however, that it's about impossible to child-proof an entire Flyer layout. IMHO, close supervision is the most practical approach. By the time we get everything child-proofed, they'll be in college! :) :) I don't recall seeing any of those kinds of accessories set up in an inter-active way on any public layouts I've had the pleasure of pushing buttons on. I believe the reason is because a lot of action accessories, except maybe air chime whistles, beacons, etc. require too frequent help from the "big hand in the sky". Mark Koeing said: >I had the same problem with my coal loader, the carriage would come off the track. What I did was narrow the gauge of "rails" that the carriage rides on. I did this by gently squeezing them together at about the midpoint. Sorry, but I don't have any suggestions for you other two issues. Chris said: >I have the same problems at the train shows with #2and3. I'm looking forward to the replies you get. I hope you'll share them with me Howard Sheffield said: >I cured my loader's problem by buying an HO 6 wheel truck and fixing it to run on the rails. I didn't use the middle axle, only the end ones. I haven't had any problems since. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22794	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: LTI NYC Alco Set

I stand corrected on the color of the NYC PA truck side frames. Here is a picture I found that shows them in silver. http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nyc4210.jpg Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22795	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: LTI NYC Alco Set

Carl, Hope you discuss more PAs, the photos are great!................................................ Oh Boy! Trains!......................Herky1950 Obie Bell.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22796	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: LTI NYC Alco Set

Ok here is the site with many more great pictures. http://www.northeast.railfan.net/ Carl -----Original Message----- From: bellokdaka@... [mailto:bellokdaka@...] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:34 PM To: carl@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LTI NYC Alco Set Carl, Hope you discuss more PAs, the photos are great!................................................ Oh Boy! Trains!......................Herky1950 Obie Bell. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22797	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel in general

Gene, Most everyone has been unhappy with the L. TTUX cars. Yep, they are just O27 cars with S trucks under them. Too oversized to really work well on most S layouts. Somewhere I read an article where someone was trying to justify the "small amount" that they were over prototype dimensions. However, a "small amount" in our scale becomes a big amount in real size! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22798	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Shiny Steamers?

My steam engines stink, literally. They are dirty, oily, smelling of lubricants and smoke fluid and streaked with stains. I wipe them down with 3-in-1 oil. When I put my head next to the track and hear and smell a passing Hudson, my heart skips a beat. A friend of mine who likes his Lionels all new and minty said I should clean up my act. Not after I went to all the trouble to make them so prototypical, I won't. For a while there I had Velcroed small cotton pads to the undersides of my diesels. I soaked the pads in #2 heating oil (same as diesel). The smell got a little too pungent though and the whole cellar stank, so I removed them. I'm planning to install smoke in my diesels like Norm Maunz in New Orleans did. I liked that. I'm just not doing the museum thing. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22799	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: New Flyonel

I did not buy the NYC passenger set. I bought the individually offered freight set powered by a single GP-7 in Rock Island colors with a matching caboose. I was surprised when I picked it up that 3 additional cars had been added, making the train 13 units. It is a gorgeous set in the best traditions of American Flyer freighters. This would have been a Gilbert premium offering in the back of the catalog, something on the order of the Texas & Pacific "Sunshine Special". Gilbert would have offered a double diesel. I plan to buy an AM RS-3 in the same livery to double head with the Geep. I love it. I got my Checkerboard tower at the same time. The NYC set will probably get a Railsounds B this year. I wouldn't go out of my way to install it in the dummy A. The trucks on the Geep seem fine. The loose fit on the PA's is really inexcusable. You should bark at Lionel for a fix on this rather than modify it yourself. As to the Intermodal cars: this is an old discussion of some length on this list. The cars are indeed 027 bodies with S trucks. The trailers are indeed 1/64th. (proven beyond all doubt by comparison to known 1/64 trucks and trailers.) BTW, most Lionel tractor trailers sold for separate sale are actually 1/64th. The out of scale components are the spine cars themselves, which are too hunky, especially when compared to AM spine cars. The trailers on the AM cars are older, shorter road trailers. The Lionel ones are modern 50 long trucks. At York this year, I bought 2 of these sets, one in Flyer mode and one in Lionel that the owner had converted himself. They all can use a little truck tightening. The topheaviness is inherent in the design. Perhaps a little weight on the down low would help. I will have to experiment with mine. I like them. I have 4 sets! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22800	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/3/2003
Subject: Re: 342 Binding on Pikemaster Track

My 342 works fine on AllAboard panels which are Pikemaster track. My tender is converted to KC, but I can pull or push a link passenger car with the front bar coupler. Any other way, I've found link couplers don't do well on such tight turns, but the 0-8-0 runs great. I was pushing a 655 car through open frog Pikemaster switches with no trouble. jfred "jackotrains <joppdp@...>" <joppdp@...> wrote: On my Christmas, I put down a oval of Pikemaster Track and my 302 Allantic runs fine, when I put the 0-8-0 #342, it binds on the curves. Is this due the the smaller radius of the Pikwmaster Track? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22801	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel

Chris Zizzo wrote: >The trailers are indeed 1/64th. (proven beyond all doubt by >comparison to known 1/64 trucks Uh... um, "proven"? I have a Lionel trailer next to me. It measures 1.75" in width. That translates to 9' 4" in the real world. Real highway semi trailers are not allowed to exceed 8' 6" in width, many are only 8' wide. (Those are external dimensions.) The Lionel trailers are NOT S scale. Neither are they 0 scale. Like most Lionel stuff, they aren't any particular scale. They ARE the only trailers that Lionel's spine cars will carry because: >The out of scale components are the spine cars themselves, >which are too hunky, Very true. The spine beams are too wide for any trailer of true S scale width. However, the wheel ways are too narrow for a trailer of true 0 scale width. Not a good system... >The trailers on the AM cars are older, shorter road trailers. The >Lionel ones are modern 50 long trucks. The same Lionel trailer mentioned above is just a smidge under 8.25" long, or not quite 44 S scale feet. A believable dimension for length, but the excess width sticks out badly, especially when parked next to a properly scaled trailer by any one of several makers of 1/64th scale trucks (ERTL, PEM/Hartoy, SpecCast, Penjoy, Winross, UHQ...) Lionel trailers 1/64th scale? Sorry, no. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22802	From: waldootten	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Problem with InternetTrains.com

Anyone else ever have a problem with an order from InternetTrains.com? I placed an on-line order in excess of $400.00 on 12/09/02. One of the customer service reps sent me an email on 12/10 regarding the non- availability of one of the items (AMI Instant Roadbed & ballast kits. They had none in stock, and I had ordered 15!). I called on 12/10 and somehow reached her on the phone (not their usual policy -- read on). She told me what she did have in stock, so I agreed to the substitutes she suggested. She said she would change my order. I used a credit card, so should have been no problem with payment. I even bumped the amount to a full case of 16 30-foot rolls and about 10 lbs. of ballast. I told her I needed the stuff right away to finish my layout, and she said the order would go out very soon. Great, that's why receiving in-stock substitutes was OK with me. I waited and waited, figuring the holidays were affecting ship times and finally sent an email inquiry on the 3-week anniversary of the order. It was never answered. Customers are instructed at their web site not to call to ask a question about a pending order -- instead, you have to use email and wait "24 to 48 hours (their words)" to get a response. Hah! Now I have to run around to hobby shops in the area at the last minute to see if I can find these items so I can finish laying about 450 feet of track to ready my Flyer for an exhibition (40 kids, scheduled for 01-11-03.) Sheesh! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22803	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel

Neglected to mention: Though the previous discussion centered on Lionel's trailers, I should point out that the highway tractors (cabs) that Lionel sells ARE 1/64th scale, except for a slight widening of the rear wheel base, probably blend better with the (too wide) trailers. The sleeper section of the cab is 8' 3" wide in 1/64 scale, a very realistic figure. With a little work, the rear wheels could be adjusted to conform to the proper 1/64 scale width. The cabs are cast from what seems to be old Shinsei tooling. I have a couple of Shinsei trucks that have cabs identical to Lionel's, except that the Lionel versions do not have separate headlights. The tooling has apparently been re-worked to simplify manufacture. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22804	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel

Chuck points out: >I have a Lionel trailer next to me. It measures >1.75" in width. That translates to 9' 4" in the real world. Real >highway semi trailers are not allowed to exceed 8' 6" in width. . . . >the excess width sticks out badly, especially when parked >next to a properly scaled trailer by any one of several makers of >1/64th scale trucks (ERTL, PEM/Hartoy, SpecCast, Penjoy, Winross. . . Chuck: Are you a scaler? If you are an accurate scale type modeler, then I would agree with your assessment. For me, this attention to detail is a form of rivet counting. I am a hi-railer, which means I incorporate toy trains and related items into a detailed, nicely scaled world, but I don't get that picky about it. That's why I don't mind those unrealistic edge details on WinRoss' otherwise bland and undetailed trailers. It's also why I tolerate truncated passenger cars and American Flyer knuckle couplers that would be as big as a truck engine in real life, and gaps between cars that no diaphragm could ever fill and link couplers and track radii that would be too tight for a trolley and Plasticville and diesel sounds that come out of only the B unit and what else? Make a list and it will exceed your ISP's allowable mail message size. In 0-Gauge, an 8 foot trailer would have to be 2" wide. 1.75 inches is a 7 foot wide trailer. As you pointed out, in S-Gauge, 1.75" is 9.3 feet. An eight footer should be 1.5 inches. A forensic answer would look at Lionel, a toy company, who is attempting to save on tooling by finding a middle ground and bridging it with a single product, 1/4" small for 0, 1/4" big for S. That means they had S-Gauge in mind when they built it. I am seeing a lot of anger expressed here at Lionel for choices they have made in production. Most of this stems from two sources, I think. At the heart of the matter is a feeling that we live in occupied France; that our beloved trademark is in the hands of the enemy. This is a sore that will never heal. Big L can never do anything right in the hearts and minds of those who feel most strongly of this. Secondly, there is a more practical, less emotional matter. There is choice in the S-Gauge world. Even in hi-rail, there are accurately scaled items available now that make ALL Flyer pale in comparison. I have been bitten by this scale bug too. I like it, a lot. But, in reflection, I have not forgotten my toy train roots, and I still have interests there. You cannot be angry at Lionel for making toys. They are a toy company. They are a big company trying to cut costs and make financially smart decisions regarding tooling and production. Because they are not hobbiests on a mission to provide the most accurate models, but rather are business people on a mission to return profits to their investors, there are going to be compromises. If your interests have turned to accurate scale, then Flyonel is not for you. No need to get emotional about it. You have just moved on. If you intend to buy Flyonel, then you MUST accept it for what it is. Flyer has NEVER been accurate scale model trains; not in 1946, not now. They have always been close, but never perfect. 1.75 inches is close enough for me. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22805	From: waldootten	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel

Obviously, there are at least two ways of looking at the issue. Part of my layout is scale (weathered buildings, realistic rock outcrops, yada yada) and one separate section is all original Flyer tinplate buildings and accessories. I favor neither but run all HiRail. I have three or four American Models locomotives and passenger cars, which I feel are in the gray area, but tilting more toward scale than tinplate in their detailed "correctness." Plus I have a majority of Flyer locomotives from the late 1930s through 2002. Everything here runs through both "worlds" and so far it has been a peaceful coexistence, without incident. ;-) __________________________________________________________________ >In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chris Zizzo <busyboy@o...> wrote: > Chuck points out: > >I have a Lionel trailer next to me. It measures > >1.75" in width. That translates to 9' 4" in the real world. Real > >highway semi trailers are not allowed to exceed 8' 6" in width. . . . > >the excess width sticks out badly, especially when parked > >next to a properly scaled trailer by any one of several makers of > >1/64th scale trucks (ERTL, PEM/Hartoy, SpecCast, Penjoy, Winross. . . > > Chuck: > Are you a scaler? If you are an accurate scale type modeler, then I would > agree with your assessment. For me, this attention to detail is a form of > rivet counting. I am a hi-railer, which means I incorporate toy trains and > related items into a detailed, nicely scaled world, but I don't get that > picky about it. That's why I don't mind those unrealistic edge details on > WinRoss' otherwise bland and undetailed trailers. It's also why I tolerate > truncated passenger cars and American Flyer knuckle couplers that would be > as big as a truck engine in real life, and gaps between cars that no > diaphragm could ever fill and link couplers and track radii that would be > too tight for a trolley and Plasticville and diesel sounds that come out of > only the B unit and what else? Make a list and it will exceed your ISP's > allowable mail message size. > > In 0-Gauge, an 8 foot trailer would have to be 2" wide. 1.75 inches is a 7 > foot wide trailer. As you pointed out, in S-Gauge, 1.75" is 9.3 feet. An > eight footer should be 1.5 inches. A forensic answer would look at Lionel, > a toy company, who is attempting to save on tooling by finding a middle > ground and bridging it with a single product, 1/4" small for 0, 1/4" big for > S. That means they had S-Gauge in mind when they built it. > > I am seeing a lot of anger expressed here at Lionel for choices they have > made in production. Most of this stems from two sources, I think. At the > heart of the matter is a feeling that we live in occupied France; that our > beloved trademark is in the hands of the enemy. This is a sore that will > never heal. Big L can never do anything right in the hearts and minds of > those who feel most strongly of this. > Secondly, there is a more practical, less emotional matter. There is choice > in the S-Gauge world. Even in hi-rail, there are accurately scaled items > available now that make ALL Flyer pale in comparison. I have been bitten by > this scale bug too. I like it, a lot. But, in reflection, I have not > forgotten my toy train roots, and I still have interests there. > > You cannot be angry at Lionel for making toys. They are a toy company. > They are a big company trying to cut costs and make financially smart > decisions regarding tooling and production. Because they are not hobbiests > on a mission to provide the most accurate models, but rather are business > people on a mission to return profits to their investors, there are going to > be compromises. > > If your interests have turned to accurate scale, then Flyonel is not for > you. No need to get emotional about it. You have just moved on. If you > intend to buy Flyonel, then you MUST accept it for what it is. Flyer has > NEVER been accurate scale model trains; not in 1946, not now. They have > always been close, but never perfect. > > 1.75 inches is close enough for me. > > Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22806	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel

Big "L" may make a trailer that's a bit big, but what scale are Gilbert's TOFC trailers? jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22807	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: cleaning AF

Train Gang, The late Bill Jackson always recommended a Johnson Wax product called Klean 'n Shine for cleaning Flyer. I find it works wonders on old dirty steam engines and all plastic products. I spray it on then gently brush with a soft paint brush and/or toothbrush until the white foam is gone. The surface dries to a soft luster. Bill also warned against Armor-all as David already stated. I use Goo Gone with a Q-tip to clean the gunk off of wheels. I've not noticed any harmful effects from this, but don't know. Goo Gone does have petroleum distillates in it and I know that can be harmful to plastics. Any thoughts? Tom S, in Dresden, ME [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22808	From: James Tanley	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: AF Set Boxes`

Hi, I'm looking for the following set boxes. Any help/info would be appreciated... 20147, 20551, 4603, 4617, 5004, 5357, 5437, 5520, 5670 Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22809	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Fwd: Fw: N5-C Kickoff

>FYI.... >Gregg Mummert > >Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:00 PM >Subject: N5-C Kickoff > > >Happy New Year! > >What a great way to kick off 2003 with a brand new S Scale Project! I >finally received enough committed orders from S Scalers to produce the >Pennsy N5-C Caboose. > > We hope to start production of the masters in February but this will >all hinge upon timing and scheduling for the master builder. Once I have >received all your downpayments I can give you a better idea of the start >date. I have mailed off your downpayment invoices today. As you may >remember, the downpayment consists of 25% of your order. Invoices are in >US funds and are payable by personal check or money order to Kaslo Shops >Distributing. > > Details about the caboose that you may be interested in: > >1) Caboose will include window glass for the all window openings >2) Underframe brake detail will be included >3) Stainless steel etchings produced by Plano Models will be included >4) Full caboose interior >5) Allowance for weighting will be included >6) Detailed exploded diagram instructions will be included > >If you have further questions about this kit please do not hesitate to ask. > Also if any of you have a good 3/4 view picture of the caboose that I >could use for box art, please send it my way (please be aware of any >copyright laws). > > Thank you all and I appreciate the support that the S Scale community >has shown us. > >All the best in 2003 > >John Whitmore >Kaslo Shops Distributing >vvv.com/~jwhitmore >Fax: 413-383-6720 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22810	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel

Chris & Chuck & All, IMHO, scale is a relative term. When original vintage Flyer was invented, manufactured and sold, it was considered state-of-the-art scale insofar as toy trains were concerned. Not anymore. Now it's "tinplate" (in the derogatory sense) in some people's eyes. Scale is now state-of-the-art S-Helper, American Models, etc for toy trains. Who knows what this gen of scale will be considered in the future and what the next gen of scale will be like in terms of proportions, detail and operating quality. One could think we have arrived at a terminal point already with scale, but that's what they may have thought about Flyer in the 50's. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Zizzo To: slist Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Flyonel Chuck points out: >I have a Lionel trailer next to me. It measures >1.75" in width. That translates to 9' 4" in the real world. Real >highway semi trailers are not allowed to exceed 8' 6" in width. . . . >the excess width sticks out badly, especially when parked >next to a properly scaled trailer by any one of several makers of >1/64th scale trucks (ERTL, PEM/Hartoy, SpecCast, Penjoy, Winross. . . Chuck: Are you a scaler? If you are an accurate scale type modeler, then I would agree with your assessment. For me, this attention to detail is a form of rivet counting. I am a hi-railer, which means I incorporate toy trains and related items into a detailed, nicely scaled world, but I don't get that picky about it. That's why I don't mind those unrealistic edge details on WinRoss' otherwise bland and undetailed trailers. It's also why I tolerate truncated passenger cars and American Flyer knuckle couplers that would be as big as a truck engine in real life, and gaps between cars that no diaphragm could ever fill and link couplers and track radii that would be too tight for a trolley and Plasticville and diesel sounds that come out of only the B unit and what else? Make a list and it will exceed your ISP's allowable mail message size. In 0-Gauge, an 8 foot trailer would have to be 2" wide. 1.75 inches is a 7 foot wide trailer. As you pointed out, in S-Gauge, 1.75" is 9.3 feet. An eight footer should be 1.5 inches. A forensic answer would look at Lionel, a toy company, who is attempting to save on tooling by finding a middle ground and bridging it with a single product, 1/4" small for 0, 1/4" big for S. That means they had S-Gauge in mind when they built it. I am seeing a lot of anger expressed here at Lionel for choices they have made in production. Most of this stems from two sources, I think. At the heart of the matter is a feeling that we live in occupied France; that our beloved trademark is in the hands of the enemy. This is a sore that will never heal. Big L can never do anything right in the hearts and minds of those who feel most strongly of this. Secondly, there is a more practical, less emotional matter. There is choice in the S-Gauge world. Even in hi-rail, there are accurately scaled items available now that make ALL Flyer pale in comparison. I have been bitten by this scale bug too. I like it, a lot. But, in reflection, I have not forgotten my toy train roots, and I still have interests there. You cannot be angry at Lionel for making toys. They are a toy company. They are a big company trying to cut costs and make financially smart decisions regarding tooling and production. Because they are not hobbiests on a mission to provide the most accurate models, but rather are business people on a mission to return profits to their investors, there are going to be compromises. If your interests have turned to accurate scale, then Flyonel is not for you. No need to get emotional about it. You have just moved on. If you intend to buy Flyonel, then you MUST accept it for what it is. Flyer has NEVER been accurate scale model trains; not in 1946, not now. They have always been close, but never perfect. 1.75 inches is close enough for me. Chris Zizzo S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22811	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF

Tom, I wouldn't use Goo Gone on a painted surface, however, as it will soften and dissolve various paints. Otherwise, I agree it's a good product for removing gunk from a chassis, etc. Thanks for you tip on cleaning. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: [S-Trains] cleaning AF Train Gang, The late Bill Jackson always recommended a Johnson Wax product called Klean 'n Shine for cleaning Flyer. I find it works wonders on old dirty steam engines and all plastic products. I spray it on then gently brush with a soft paint brush and/or toothbrush until the white foam is gone. The surface dries to a soft luster. Bill also warned against Armor-all as David already stated. I use Goo Gone with a Q-tip to clean the gunk off of wheels. I've not noticed any harmful effects from this, but don't know. Goo Gone does have petroleum distillates in it and I know that can be harmful to plastics. Any thoughts? Tom S, in Dresden, ME [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22812	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Home made Electromagnetic Crane

Hi, I built an electromagnetic crane for my vintage Flyer layout out of Erector parts. Here is a link from my web page to see it and some details on how it was built: http://home.att.net/~timboy/Crane.html Please let me know what you think - good, bad or indifferent. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22813	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: Home made Electromagnetic Crane

Hi Tim, I REALLY enjoyed seeing your crane and also enjoyed reading about it. <<<< http://home.att.net/~timboy/Crane.html <<<<< One thing though. You mentioned: "The Flyer crane's magnet raises and lowers by hand, while the crane itself is powered to swing from side to side. I use a hand crank to swing my crane cab." My magnetic crane is a one button deal with the Gilbert reversing mechanism (just like in the trains). When you push the button...the crane will turn from one side to the other and the magnet will lower to pick up the scrap. When you push the button some more (taking it through the reverse cycle) the crane's head turns back in the other direction AND rasies the magnet. The trick is you have to keep you finger on the button or else you drop the magnetic load. The magnet is always energized whenever the button is pushed. The crank on the back end of the crane raises and lowers the boom, but I don't use this much, as I have set boom to a height where it workds well. Again, great job on your crane. A.C.G. would be proud of you. Regards, Dennis Miami __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22814	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: Home made Electromagnetic Crane

Nice job Tim, it looks great. Erector & Flyer, a great combination! Steve Blancard Tim Brown wrote: > Hi, > > I built an electromagnetic crane for my vintage Flyer layout out of Erector parts. Here is a link from my web page to see it and some details on how it was built: > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/Crane.html > > Please let me know what you think - good, bad or indifferent. > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22815	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: MTH figures in AM Budd cars.

I bought a set of MTH unpainted figures from Doug Peck and painted them with a $3 set of latex paints I bought at a craft store. I have installed them in 2 Budd cars so far and they look great with the AM 3 bulb illumination system and the interior details that came with the cars. A dozen or so people per car takes away that empty look. The car tops come off with 4 screws and it's easy to glue the figures into their seats. I used a dab of Testor's plastic cement per seat because I know if I ever want to change or remove them it can be done with minimal damage. However, I'm so pleased with the look that they're never coming out. -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22816	From: michael prell	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: Home made Electromagnetic Crane

Way COOL! Thanks! --- Steve Blancard <splitdorf@...> wrote: > Nice job Tim, it looks great. Erector & Flyer, a > great combination! > > Steve Blancard > > Tim Brown wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I built an electromagnetic crane for my vintage > Flyer layout out of Erector parts. Here is a link > from my web page to see it and some details on how > it was built: > > > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/Crane.html > > > > Please let me know what you think - good, bad or > indifferent. > > > > Tim Brown > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22817	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel

Chris, Tim, anybody else... Um, I think the point has been missed. Firstly, anyone who's corresponded with me at all or seen my layouts, rolling stock etc. knows I am a tinplater/hirailer, not a scaler. Unfortunately that's totally beside the point, along with all the interesting views given about toy train philosophy, rivet counting, speculation about Lionel Rage, and everything else. The allegation was made that Lionel's truck trailers are 1/64th scale which is an objective observation subject to objective measurement. I demonstrated that, based on their dimensions (not my modelling preferences), they are not. The may be close to 1/64th scale in some dimensions (not width), yes. But an object is either of a certain scale or it isn't. BTW, we're not dealing with "details" here. The width of highway trailers and railroad rolling stock is basic, the least varied dimension in the real world, and it's the most telling dimension on the kind of models we deal in. It's not a minor issue like rivets or other surface detail. Now, the width error in the Lionel trailer body may not bother you. If not, fine. No problem. But that doesn't make the trailers 1/64th scale. That's an issue of fact, not opinion. Besides, if the width error doesn't really bother you, why call the trailers "1/64th scale?" Why should the designation matter? Why confuse the issue with erroneous claims? And, I might ask, who's angry? (No, really.)I made a simple statement bearing on a simple issue. What's all this about "anger?" Why does any criticism of Lionel stirr up accusations of "getting emotional?" You're not "projecting" there, are ya, Chris? ;^) Maybe somebody should come up with a gauge called "Near S." Chuck F. S Gauge Tinplater/Hi-railer I-don't-care-if'n-it-IS-lithographed- sheet-metal modern guy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22818	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH figures in AM Budd cars.

Chuck, Can you please post some pictures of your Budd Cars with these MTH passengers. I have some cars to fit with interiors that you are giving a motivation to do. Thanks SteveJay NASG On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:59:11 -0500 Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> writes: > I bought a set of MTH unpainted figures from Doug Peck and painted > them > with a $3 set of latex paints I bought at a craft store. I have > installed them in 2 Budd cars so far and they look great with the AM > 3 > bulb illumination system and the interior details that came with the > cars. A dozen or so people per car takes away that empty look. > > The car tops come off with 4 screws and it's easy to glue the > figures > into their seats. I used a dab of Testor's plastic cement per seat > because I know if I ever want to change or remove them it can be > done > with minimal damage. However, I'm so pleased with the look that > they're > never coming out. > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > To see or post Photos visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22819	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: We need to give these guys an award

I have spent a lot of time lately looking at the catalogs posted by Chuck Harrington and now the manual posted by Carl Tuveson. It is great fun and educational to look at the old catalogs. And, now the manual will be reference for all of us who do not have a copy. I never knew what great stuff I was missing. These guys deserve a huge thanks. Carl and Chuck, please accept heartfelt thanks. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22820	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: diagram

Does anyone have a diagram or plan for a movable control panel. I am making an addition to my layout and have read many articles on the internet and books about creating a workable panel. I plan to have at least 4 transformers for up to 6 trains running at one time. One will be dedicated to switching in the yards while the rest will be for the "lines". I have a 18B, an 12B, two 8Bs and several smaller transformers. I plan to operate 20 or more accessories and 20+ switches. I will have separate dedicated power for the accessories and switches. I am looking for something that can be build on wheels with shelves below for the accessory power. Anyone with ideas or plans would be appreciated. Clifford Manning clifma19@... Topeka, Ks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22821	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel

Maybe somebody should come up with a gauge called "Near S." Chuck, they already did! It's called O-27 Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22822	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel

Chuck F. rightly asks: >What's all this about "anger?" Why does >any criticism of Lionel stir up accusations of "getting emotional?" As usual, Chuck, I was not just responding to one post. Your reply about exact size prompted my little diatribe, but the posts of others on this same thread have indeed been angry and emotional. A recent post about some poor quality control on NYC PA's was somewhat heated (with jusification) and I have read other recent and older posts that slam Lionel at every turn. I guess I was collecting all those thoughts under one response umbrella. My focused point is that although you are correct when you say "an object is either of a certain scale or it isn't", the degree to which variances from dead center are allowable, varies depending on who you are and how you model. A very good point was made in today's posts about Gilbert TOFCs, those tiny, two to a 40 foot flat car, trailers with the black wheels on the outside. If you are running trains with those cars coupled in, how can you hold a micrometer to the Lionel intermodal trailers? If you are a scaler interested in accuracy, then yes, you will hold to fairly tight tolerances. Even there, you might let a small degree of inaccuracy slide by in the interests of some expediency or other. But in the toy train world, scale takes on looser parameters. Scaling is not an "either it is or it isn't" proposition unless you are an architect doing a scale drawing that people need to take measurements from. Scaling in toy trains works a great deal on what looks OK. That is a subjective value and it varies from observer to observer. I took several tractors and trailers including the Lionel trailers, the separate sale Lionel tractors/trailers, and a variety of so called 1/64th. tractor trailers including some NASCAR racing team promotionals, a WinRoss, an ERTL, a separate sale AM trailer, and two trucks from the Tonka (1/72?) series. Although there were differences, I found them to be minor and not objectionable. My view was that they would look good together on my highways, delivering in my factory and warehouse truck bays and loaded onto my TOFC and spine car sets. I am reasonably fussy about size. I am not one of the advocates of using 1/48 buses because there aren't too many available in 1/64. I wish some of that gorgeous die cast stuff put out by Corgi was smaller, but it isn't and it doesn't fit. I don't plop various non-scale stuff around because "what the hell, it's all toys anyway." I am not a scaler, but I try to stay close to scale, so I'm not a "toy-boy" either! Maybe that's part of being a hi-railer, being a "near-scaler". Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22823	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH figures in AM Budd cars.

The picture can be seen as photo #29 at: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/lst Howell S Jobbins wrote: > > Chuck, > Can you please post some pictures of your Budd Cars with these MTH > passengers. > I have some cars to fit with interiors that you are giving a motivation > to do. Thanks SteveJay NASG > > On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:59:11 -0500 Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > writes: > > I bought a set of MTH unpainted figures from Doug Peck and painted > > them > > with a $3 set of latex paints I bought at a craft store. I have > > installed them in 2 Budd cars so far and they look great with the AM > > 3 > > bulb illumination system and the interior details that came with the > > cars. A dozen or so people per car takes away that empty look. > > > > The car tops come off with 4 screws and it's easy to glue the > > figures > > into their seats. I used a dab of Testor's plastic cement per seat > > because I know if I ever want to change or remove them it can be > > done > > with minimal damage. However, I'm so pleased with the look that > > they're > > never coming out. > > -- > > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > > > To see or post Photos visit > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22824	From: aztecmfgco	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: S Track Cleaners

List, S Scale track cleaners are now back in stock for more information go to http://www.aztectrains.com John Claudino Aztec Mfg. Co.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22825	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Pike Planner and AF Model Railroad Handbook

I have posted a couple more AF references. The Pike Planner Instruction sheet, which the template can be printed, cut out and glued to a piece of plastic card stock if you don't have one. at: http://www.tuveson.com/Pikeplaner/pikeplannerthumb.htm The AF Model Railroad Handbook that was included with the No.731 Pike Planning Kit. It has some vintage pictures of AF layouts. at: http://www.tuveson.com/AFHandbook/AF_Handbook.htm Enjoy, Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22826	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Pike Planner and AF Model Railroad Handbook

Carl: Just wanted to add my thanks for what you are doing on your website. Interesting information and tinkering. Regards, Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carl Tuveson <carl@w...> wrote: > I have posted a couple more AF references. > Enjoy, > > Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22827	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Let's buy the Company

At the risk of stirring the pot unmercifully Let's buy AF back from Lionel. Seriously! Lots of folks here (and over on the Scale group as well) are complaining about the quality, selection and responsiveness of the Lion to the Flyer community. I don't think Lionel is ever going to risk their market share by building up the only real competitor they ever had for the "toy train" market. The market is smaller than it used to be and why spend money on dulicate tooling? Apologies to all who will/are taking offense to my calling AF a toy train (and also to you loyal MARX lovers out there). But frankly, they're ALL toy trains. (That includes you HO guys too) Some trains are just more faithful to prototypical, proportions, detail, and paint scheme. AND some modelers are more faithful to prototypical operations and modeling than others. More power to you proto guys (and gals), I love to look at your layouts! Some are unbelievable in their realism. And I know secretly you prototypical guys REALLY want to come over to my layout and load a few barrels with Louie. But, back on subject. I've got $10 dollars to spare in buying back AF from Lionel. Who's with me? BTW, does anyone interested in doing this actually KNOW how to make an engine, for mass production? I'm not talking about Don and Doug and the other folks that have their hands full doing the beautiful models that are currently available for all us hungry S-Gaugers. I mean you guys that are ready to start up a business and make it into a viable player in the toy train market. I think our first product should be SIM-Flyer. That would sell and the production costs will be low. Very little tooling. Ten dollars .. "Bubble, Bubble, Toil and Trouble " Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22828	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Buying back Lionel

Ted Writes:" But, back on subject. I've got $10 dollars to spare in buying back AF from Lionel" I'd put a grand in S-Helper Before I put a dime into buying from Lionel. I might put a 100 in AM. Just not Lionel. If it was good and I liked it, maybe 5 bucks. Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22829	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

Hi Ted, I'd kick in a buck, two ninety-eight on your project - but I'll go out on the limb here and say that one of the things I like best about vintage Flyer is that there is only so much of it. It's not like the Lionel line that just keeps going and going and going. I wouldn't know where to begin to start collecting their very fine toy trains. Sorry Chris, but all the toy trains in the world I ever want have already been built. I just need to find them and run them. The only good thing I can personally see about reissues is that they may drive the prices of vintage pieces down - so I can buy more for my money. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: trzp1800 <trzp1800@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Let's buy the Company At the risk of stirring the pot unmercifully.. Let's buy AF back from Lionel. Seriously! Lots of folks here (and over on the Scale group as well) are complaining about the quality, selection and responsiveness of the Lion to the Flyer community. I don't think Lionel is ever going to risk their market share by building up the only real competitor they ever had for the "toy train" market. The market is smaller than it used to be and why spend money on dulicate tooling? Apologies to all who will/are taking offense to my calling AF a toy train (and also to you loyal MARX lovers out there). But frankly, they're ALL toy trains. (That includes you HO guys too) Some trains are just more faithful to prototypical, proportions, detail, and paint scheme. AND some modelers are more faithful to prototypical operations and modeling than others. More power to you proto guys (and gals), I love to look at your layouts! Some are unbelievable in their realism. And I know secretly you prototypical guys REALLY want to come over to my layout and load a few barrels with Louie. But, back on subject. I've got $10 dollars to spare in buying back AF from Lionel. Who's with me? BTW, does anyone interested in doing this actually KNOW how to make an engine, for mass production? I'm not talking about Don and Doug and the other folks that have their hands full doing the beautiful models that are currently available for all us hungry S-Gaugers. I mean you guys that are ready to start up a business and make it into a viable player in the toy train market. I think our first product should be SIM-Flyer. That would sell and the production costs will be low. Very little tooling. Ten dollars... "Bubble, Bubble, Toil and Trouble.." Ted S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22830	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

Lets see, $10 a piece and there are 750 members to the s-list. If I am doing the math right, that is $7,500 to pay big L for what is left of AF. Probably a fair price, but do you really think they will sell? :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22831	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1706

Clifford Manning: I have a control panel that is mounted on large casters with a 4'-0" thither. 4'-0"x 1'-6", 30" high cabinet with sliding doors for storage and to hide some of the wiring. It has a 15" high (4' long, 7" at the base, 1" at top) sloping control panel with track plan, block controls and tracking lamps. Terminal strips are mounted on the back, and numbered to ease trouble shooting, I can move the panel away from the layout or to a different position, I can set on a chair behind the panel and access all of the control wiring with ease. If I had more room I would make the thither longer. It adds a number of feet of wire required to the layout so you would not want to make the thither longer then practical or necessary. Transformers can be recessed into the top of the cabinet if so desired. I power my layout with two 12B's and one ZW , sound controls are mounted beside the transformers. Switch controls are Walthers SPDP momentary contact (telephone type) position of handle indicates position of switch, they are mounted on the track plan (sloping panel). Having built many a control panel in my time, I believe it is worth every bit of extra wire. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22832	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel

Chris.....I agree....but two comments.... 1. As an Architect...You READ dimensions from A drawing...never scale...sure to get you in trouble.... 2. Have you noticed K-Lines new Allegeny...they are now advertizing it as 1/58 th scale...Will this be A new guage coming up?...SO guage? Could all this scale change stuff be because they are on A decimal system and can't read our figures.... I have A model airplane kit from Japan ...When they translated RUDDER into English...it came out ***K...so every where you have A rudder connection...well you get the pic....Engine cowels came out Nassels ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Flyonel > Chuck F. rightly asks: > >What's all this about "anger?" Why does > >any criticism of Lionel stir up accusations of "getting emotional?" > > As usual, Chuck, I was not just responding to one post. Your reply about > exact size prompted my little diatribe, but the posts of others on this same > thread have indeed been angry and emotional. A recent post about some poor > quality control on NYC PA's was somewhat heated (with jusification) and I > have read other recent and older posts that slam Lionel at every turn. I > guess I was collecting all those thoughts under one response umbrella. > > My focused point is that although you are correct when you say "an object is > either of a certain scale or it isn't", the degree to which variances from > dead center are allowable, varies depending on who you are and how you > model. A very good point was made in today's posts about Gilbert TOFCs, > those tiny, two to a 40 foot flat car, trailers with the black wheels on the > outside. If you are running trains with those cars coupled in, how can you > hold a micrometer to the Lionel intermodal trailers? If you are a scaler > interested in accuracy, then yes, you will hold to fairly tight tolerances. > Even there, you might let a small degree of inaccuracy slide by in the > interests of some expediency or other. But in the toy train world, scale > takes on looser parameters. > > Scaling is not an "either it is or it isn't" proposition unless you are an > architect doing a scale drawing that people need to take measurements from. > Scaling in toy trains works a great deal on what looks OK. That is a > subjective value and it varies from observer to observer. I took several > tractors and trailers including the Lionel trailers, the separate sale > Lionel tractors/trailers, and a variety of so called 1/64th. tractor > trailers including some NASCAR racing team promotionals, a WinRoss, an ERTL, > a separate sale AM trailer, and two trucks from the Tonka (1/72?) series. > Although there were differences, I found them to be minor and not > objectionable. My view was that they would look good together on my > highways, delivering in my factory and warehouse truck bays and loaded onto > my TOFC and spine car sets. I am reasonably fussy about size. I am not one > of the advocates of using 1/48 buses because there aren't too many available > in 1/64. I wish some of that gorgeous die cast stuff put out by Corgi was > smaller, but it isn't and it doesn't fit. I don't plop various non-scale > stuff around because "what the hell, it's all toys anyway." > > I am not a scaler, but I try to stay close to scale, so I'm not a "toy-boy" > either! Maybe that's part of being a hi-railer, being a "near-scaler". > Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22833	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: AF Service Kit Manual posted

I have posted the Service Kit Manual that is included in the AF No.23026 service kit. The link is: http://www.tuveson.com/ServiceKit/service_kit_manua.htm Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22834	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

If you have the money to buy AF from Big L, Why would you want to. Take that money and start your own company like Don Thompson, American Models and some of the others. They make very nice models, better than any thing AF made. AF is dead. You guys are living in the past. I wish some one would buy The old Hudson Motor Car Co. back from Chrysler and make the the old 1935 Hudson again. very nice car. BIG GRIN 8>) Thank you Larry Jackman Chuck Harrington wrote: > > Lets see, $10 a piece and there are 750 members to the s-list. If I am > doing the math right, that is $7,500 to pay big L for what is left of > AF. Probably a fair price, but do you really think they will sell? :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22835	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

> Apologies to all who will/are taking offense to my calling AF a toy > train. Sounds like something my wife would say. ;o) Definition from Rogers Dictionary; TOY; 1.Something a kid can roll back and forth on a rug without hurting it. (or other kinds of abuse) 2. Said item (above) is something an adult would not be interested on a daily basis, for entertainment. 3. Toy is something that does not resemble the prototype even a little bit. 4. A play thing anyone would get bored with real quick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22836	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Buying back Lionel

Well, there is only one way you can get AF from Lionel. You have to buy the whole company. (that is, if they wanted to sell out) Tell them your interest is AF trains, and they won't sell to you. You would have to convince them that you are strongly interested in keeping the Lionel going and stifling AF trains. After you buy them out you can Mass produce AF trains and ignore Lionel if you like. About people only interested in Gilbert trains. I agree, to a point. the point is there aren't enough Gilbert trains to keep everyone happy. A lot of us would like Repros. of Gilbert. Better than nothing. I only bought one piece of A gilbert train in 20 years. It is not available in my part of the country, We have no hobby shops nearby. The nearest one charges 20 percent (or more) higher than everyone else for all their products. I don't buy from him unless I'm desperate. If I bought out Lionel, I would get permission to get the Gilbert name back. Then I would make repros. with more detail and can motors. I would make original AF track along with Pikemaster track (larger curve radius) I would also have rubber roadbed for both. I also would come up with materials for a control booth that looks like the controls for a steam or diesel/electric loco. Roger Hinds

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22837	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: N5-C Kickoff

I would bet Ford and GM would like to be able to operate like this. Ford would not have lost their shirt on the Edsal. Thank you Larry Jackman On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Gregg Mummert wrote: >> FYI.... >> Gregg Mummert >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:00 PM >> Subject: N5-C Kickoff >> >> >> Happy New Year! >> >> What a great way to kick off 2003 with a brand new S Scale Project! I >> finally received enough committed orders from S Scalers to produce the >> Pennsy N5-C Caboose. >> >> We hope to start production of the masters in February but this >> will >> all hinge upon timing and scheduling for the master builder. Once I >> have >> received all your downpayments I can give you a better idea of the >> start >> date. I have mailed off your downpayment invoices today. As you may >> remember, the downpayment consists of 25% of your order. Invoices >> are in >> US funds and are payable by personal check or money order to Kaslo >> Shops >> Distributing. >> >> Details about the caboose that you may be interested in: >> >> 1) Caboose will include window glass for the all window openings >> 2) Underframe brake detail will be included >> 3) Stainless steel etchings produced by Plano Models will be included >> 4) Full caboose interior >> 5) Allowance for weighting will be included >> 6) Detailed exploded diagram instructions will be included >> >> If you have further questions about this kit please do not hesitate >> to ask. >> Also if any of you have a good 3/4 view picture of the caboose that I >> could use for box art, please send it my way (please be aware of any >> copyright laws). >> >> Thank you all and I appreciate the support that the S Scale >> community >> has shown us. >> >> All the best in 2003 >> >> John Whitmore >> Kaslo Shops Distributing >> vvv.com/~jwhitmore >> Fax: 413-383-6720 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22838	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

***((((AF is dead. You guys are living in the past.))))*** Uh-Oh,....I'm staying outta this one, this time 'round!!!! Chris Z. and I already had our dance on this one!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22839	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

Soap box = on I have been employed by my current company for 25 years. I am involved in product development at the company which has about 200million a year in sales revenue. Each employee in the company (which is privately held) is a stock holder. Based on this experience I can assure you that if a group like this were to buy the Flyer side of Lionel we would not make decisions much better than they have. (if as good) Investing in tooling and materials to produce a product that may or may not sell is a big gamble. It is not uncommon when dealing with the rather fickle consumer to continuously have over 25% (or more) of your annual sales volume invested in inventory. Not to mention money tied up in capital investments. I can assure that the altruistic views of a group like this would change if it was YOUR money. Profits in a company are delecate. Not every company out there is an Enron or Worldcom. In the end getting to keep 5% of the pie Net after taxes is doing pretty good for most companys. And when a comany goes from 5% profit to 10% this will be loudly announced on the news as 100% increse in profits. We all know the math is correct, but John Q. average gets a vision that much different at the mention of 100% increase. Many were outraged when Lionel moved assembly off shore. The truth is you might not be able to buy anything from them at all if they didn't. Labor costs in this country are just getting too high for companys like this to exist with a global economy. Why do you think Showcase has most of their work done overseas? You can buy aluminum RIM injection molding tooling in Taiwan/China for what aluminum vacuum formed tooling costs in the U.S. I am sure this move seemed to many to be a strictly moral issue. And for some reason people think that decisions made for financial reasons are immoral. I can assure that a company who does not make frugal financial decisions will not have any employees to employ. So in my opinion to not be conservative is to risk the livelyhood of employees. Sorry, Soapbox = off

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22840	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

In a message dated 01/05/2003 10:44:39 AM Mountain Standard Time, myflyertrains@... writes: > Lets see, $10 a piece and there are 750 members to the s-list. If I am > doing the math right, that is $7,500 to pay big L for what is left of > AF.  Probably a fair price, but do you really think they will sell? :-) > A group to remain unnamed tried to buy AF from Lionel a few years ago for over $1,000,000. Lionel turned them down. I'm a close friend of one of the Principals, and this is first hand knowledge. We of this group could each give $1,000 and it would be to no avail.  SHS and AM are stealing the S-gauge market from Lionel and they are letting it happen via indifference. This past yr. is probably a reflection of some awareness that there might be a market out there after all. The accessory items and rolling stock made (albeit of questionable quality) Is the biggest effort they have made yet.  Two days late and $2 short if I may have MHO. Steve......S-'n-S Trains....Boise, Idaho. Home of the Boise State Bronco's. (2002 Humanitarian bowl champions) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22841	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Let's buy the Company

Okay! I'll throw in $20, but I would rather see an established and reputable existing manufacturer of S equipment, such as, but not necessary limited to, SHS buy the brand name. Such an arrangement would allow the brand owner to market and sell trains with the full benefit of brand recognition, lower startup cost, time to market, and would probably yield the type of quality products that we are all asking for. See you! Curtis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22842	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

Dear Mark, A great analysis of a very complicated business scenario. Just for the record, our injection molded tooling is all made in steel and the costs are not that different than the tooling made here. This is mostly due to the demand for quality tooling to be used in the Pacific rim factories. The cost savings is in the labor needed for production. Best regards, Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. Mark Kiner wrote: >Soap box = on > >I have been employed by my current company for 25 years. I am involved in >product development at the company which has about 200million a year in >sales revenue. Each employee in the company (which is privately held) is a >stock holder. > >Based on this experience I can assure you that if a group like this were to >buy the Flyer side of Lionel we would not make decisions much better than >they have. (if as good) Investing in tooling and materials to produce a >product that may or may not sell is a big gamble. It is not uncommon when >dealing with the rather fickle consumer to continuously have over 25% (or >more) of your annual sales volume invested in inventory. Not to mention >money tied up in capital investments. > >I can assure that the altruistic views of a group like this would change if >it was YOUR money. > >Profits in a company are delecate. Not every company out there is an Enron >or Worldcom. In the end getting to keep 5% of the pie Net after taxes is >doing pretty good for most companys. > >And when a comany goes from 5% profit to 10% this will be loudly announced >on the news as 100% increse in profits. We all know the math is correct, but >John Q. average gets a vision that much different at the mention of 100% >increase. > >Many were outraged when Lionel moved assembly off shore. The truth is you >might not be able to buy anything from them at all if they didn't. Labor >costs in this country are just getting too high for companys like this to >exist with a global economy. Why do you think Showcase has most of their >work done overseas? You can buy aluminum RIM injection molding tooling in >Taiwan/China for what aluminum vacuum formed tooling costs in the U.S. > >I am sure this move seemed to many to be a strictly moral issue. And for >some reason people think that decisions made for financial reasons are >immoral. I can assure that a company who does not make frugal financial >decisions will not have any employees to employ. So in my opinion to not be >conservative is to risk the livelyhood of employees. > >Sorry, > >Soapbox = off > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22843	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

Dear Curtis, We looked into this a few years back after Wellspring had owned Lionel for a year or so. We were told by Wellspring that they were indeed in the business of buying and selling companies, but the they felt that Lionel would have more value for resale with the American Flyer line than without and the difference would be more than the American Flyer line is worth by itself. We never talked numbers, but we realized that it was not going to happen at that time. Don Thompson castironv8@... wrote: >Okay! > >I'll throw in $20, but I would rather see an established and reputable >existing manufacturer of S equipment, such as, but not necessary limited to, >SHS buy the brand name. Such an arrangement would allow the brand owner to >market and sell trains with the full benefit of brand recognition, lower >startup cost, time to market, and would probably yield the type of quality >products that we are all asking for. > >See you! > >Curtis > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22844	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: stealing the S-gauge market?

Dear Steve, I think you are confused. I do not consider what we here at SHS or Ron and his family at American Models to be stealing the S-gauge market from Lionel. I know we are all working hard to make the best trains possible for our S gauge customers and I think if you look at our market share, our customers agree (today can you say that about LTI's AF line?).. If anything, they are neglecting the S gauge market and due to that, SHS and AM has been able to make these inroads. The market is evolving in all scales and the top dog in 0-27 has been asleep at the switch (ask MTH). I am sure they are now awake and hopefully will start to add quality products to their S gauge line. Don Thompson boss31@... wrote: >SHS and AM are stealing the S-gauge market from Lionel and they are letting it happen via indifference. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22845	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Too many train mags---need more space!!

I am currently "gutting" my Classic Toy Train magazines,..I have only subscribed since '98, but am running out of room for all of my magazines!! (S-Gaugian-Dispatch-CTT) I started cutting out only the Christmas layout articles, (no matter the gauge-can get ideas from any gauge!), from my CTTs. Then I figured while I'm at it,...save all of the American Flyer articles and "S" layouts. I am using sheet protectors and one large binder for now,..may need another binder before long. This will be easy to store, and easy to pull out and look at the articles, AND make more space for my S-Gaugians that for sure WON'T be cut up!! The sheet protectors are great for saving SHS/AM catalogs also, (if you wish),..all of my AF catalogs are stored in a binder this way. I bought my sheet protectors at K-Mart, 100 ct...under seven bucks. I have in the past, made copys of articles from Model Railroader, that were handy for any scale, and put them in a binder and sold off the magazines. Keep only what ya want!! Get ridda the rest!! Rick "Spring cleaning in Jan." Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22846	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

Dear Roger, I wonder if the TCA knows this? Don Roger Hinds wrote: >>Apologies to all who will/are taking offense to my calling AF a toy >>train. >> >> > >Sounds like something my wife would say. ;o) > >Definition from Rogers Dictionary; >TOY; 1.Something a kid can roll back and forth on a rug without hurting it. (or other >kinds of abuse) > 2. Said item (above) is something an adult would not be interested on a >daily basis, for entertainment. > 3. Toy is something that does not resemble the prototype even a little bit. > > 4. A play thing anyone would get bored with real quick. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22847	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel

Sometimes when we are building from a drawing, we get the dimension by using a scale ruler on the print. It's not for everything, but you get my point about accuracy. K-Lines should call this SO-SO Scale, but 1/56th. would have been a true middle split. As far as a decimal system, ask David Dewey. His family owns one. Every time I build a model airplane, I say ***K! The rudder was probably tough to install. :<) The engine cowls ARE nassels, but spelled nacelles. It's French. Now rudder off! (Yeah, I like that. Sounds ruddy British. Ooops. Am I an accidental etymologist? Ruddy from rutting or vigorous, instinctual intercourse?) I love those Japenglish instructions. I have a few examples in my collection of olio. Chris Zizzo ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Flyonel > Chris.....I agree....but two comments.... > 1. As an Architect...You READ dimensions from A drawing...never scale...sure > to get you in trouble.... > 2. Have you noticed K-Lines new Allegeny...they are now advertizing it as > 1/58 th scale...Will this be A new guage coming up?...SO guage? > Could all this scale change stuff be because they are on A decimal system > and can't read our figures.... > I have A model airplane kit from Japan ...When they translated RUDDER into > English...it came out ***K...so every where you have A rudder > connection...well you get the pic....Engine cowels came out Nassels

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22848	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

Hi All, Please allow me to fan the flames. Want to buy the company(?), they do not want to sell Flyer separately(?), then buy the whole company! All you need is the money. Now you are in control, release a run of Lionel by American Flyer and when the hoards of three-railers storm your corporate offices like the "torch bearing villagers" at Frankenstein's Castle demanding that you sell them their beloved name back "sell" it back separately. End of problem.... Oh Boy!! Trains!.............Herky 1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22849	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

Mark Kiner, from high atop his on again/off again soapbox observed: >So in my opinion to not be >conservative is to risk the livelyhood of employees. What employees? Chinese employees? The US assembly workers for Big L buy the classifieds every day. I agree with you about the business decisions. Many of the anti-Lionel gripes I hear expressed have more to do with "what I want them to make, and they don't!" than with a realization of the realities of the marketplace. Yes the consumer is fickle. But none of this answers the question, "If all manufacturing moves to China, who buys the products and with what money?" Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22850	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: K-line "O" gauge Big Boy

Gentlemen...a couple of weeks ago(?) I recall a lot of discussion of "converting" the K-Line Big Boy to run on "S" gauge track. I had a chance to look at one at a local train shop and here are my thoughts..First, the drivers are all "metal" , one would probably want to use original AF drivers, in order to insulate the chassis. I think one would have to drill out the driver centres to fit the existing shaft diameter. Driver diameter between the AF wheel and the K-Line driver are close. The big problem I see is, how to reduce the chassis width, down to 5/8", where one can install drivers at the proper "gauge". The only way to do this is to either machine the existing chassis down to 5/8" width over all or fabricate a new frame. In the event one is successful in using the existing chassis, it looks to me that the "gear" tower for the motor mount looks like it might "foul" the newly re-gauged drivers. Probably, could be done(however, not by me$$$$). The next best thing we can all do is E-Mail K-Line directly and ask them if they will bring out this 1/64 beauty WITH "S"gauge running gear!!!(that's what I have done) Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22851	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Lets Buy The Co.

I really would like to see this group buy the AF Co... Where would we hold the board meetings Gettysburg or The Little Big Horn. How long would it take to get the first decision made on the size of a wheel &/or road name. Just some fuel for the fire on a cold day in LA 88 deg here :) Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22852	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyonel

Well, boy-HOWDY! This group hasn't been this lively in some time. Chris Zizzo wrote: >As usual, Chuck, I was not just responding to one post. Your reply >about exact size prompted my little diatribe, but the posts of >others on this same thread have indeed been angry and emotional. OK, gotcha. Since only my post was quoted, your comments did not appear general. But it is apparent that the point is still being missed. I'll make one more attempt at clarity: Re one's modelling/toy philosophy... Sure, we're hi-railers, many of us. Yeah, in even the scale world, one must make compromises. I run a Gilbert flat with a couple of original Gilbert trailers on it, and I know that they aren't S scale. I point out to those who ask about them that they are in fact HO scale. I run LOTS of sheet metal stuff that's not S scale (and some that is!) without pangs of conscience. The thing is, I don't CALL something "1/64th scale" if it isn't. Far from being the rivet counter you implied that I might be (you were clearly addressing me at that point), if something on my layout isn't to scale I admit it (my alibi for Bossy the Bovine notwithstanding) and fess up to the discrepancy. I try to avoid clouding terminology. It's hard enough making a point understood with language (apparently) as it is. And the point is this: The statement was made that Lionel truck trailers are "proven beyond all doubt" to be 1/64th scale. In fact, what has been proven is the opposite. Fairly near 1/64th, yes. But this ain't horseshoes. That's about as clear as I can make it. Now, if y'all will excuse me, I'm going to "cut some pie", which is hi-railer talk for playing with trains. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22853	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Lets Buy The Co.

Gee: ya go away for a few hours and Ljack 70177: What I'd REALLY like is a Tucker! But that's not surprising, the only two cars I've owned for my own use in 23 years have been a '68 Corvair and a '69 P1800 (still driving the latter every day, way too much fun to put it out to pasture!) Mark K: Doncha just have to love a country where soapboxes exist at all? Most of my work for the last 12 years has been for industrial firms and I agree a business must make decisions based upon its ability to succeed in its market. Otherwise it won't be around next month. Firms also have to service a broad enough market that they can weather economic downturns in one market sector and survive. The firm I was with the ten years previous to my last twelve didn't learn that and they are gone. You and I should probably find another chat group to exchange our views about moving more and more of our industrial production overseas, and what that might mean for our grandchildren. Mr. Thompson: Thought it interesting you looked into buying the brand name because your brand name is now well known in the S-Gauge community. I try and help with that at shows our modular group attends by letting people get a good look at, i.e. pick it up and hold it, my SW1200 purchased from your firm. Great little engine at a good price. Most folks agree. But, . You and most other manufacturers are making a more refined and less rugged product that AF made "back in the day". By less rugged I mean, "kid ready" and "child proof". Example, a while back my friend and I were in my garage working on my modules and running trains at the same time. My 343AC derailed and dropped off the 40-inch high modules onto the concrete floor. All that was damaged, luckily, was the ladder at the rear of the tender. I don't think my SW would fair as well, and I don't think you intended it to do so. Heck maybe ol' ACG didn't intend for my 343 to survive, but it did. I think that even if we did buy the company; I liked that idea about buying Lionel and then putting out a catalog with one page of Lionel and 50 pages of Flyer (I'll have GOOD dreams tonight!), we wouldn't be a competitor of yours, as much as we'd cover another aspect of the market. Unfortunately, the S market is currently relatively small. But we hope our club, and other clubs around the world, will change that in the near future. If for no other reason than so the product line will diversify and we'll have fewer discussions about ---t like this and more about "How to do...." Roger H.: If something is less than 12"=12" in scale, and it's made to look like "the real thing", idn't it a toy or a model (a special case toy)? Well, idn't it? Com'on Chris Z – I KNOW you can poke a few holes in this Swiss cheese soufflé I'm cookin up here! All meetings will be held in middle earth. I have the ring. Bwah, Ha, HA! " and caldron bubble!" Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22854	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Lets Buy The Co.

Ah Middle Earth A bit warmer than LA but a wise decision as it would be an equal distance for all & no debate on that. :) Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22855	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <AF336@h...> wrote: > Soap box = on > > I have been employed by my current company for 25 years. I am involved in > product development at the company which has about 200million a year in > sales revenue. Each employee in the company (which is privately held) is a > stock holder. > > Based on this experience I can assure you that if a group like this were to > buy the Flyer side of Lionel we would not make decisions much better than > they have. (if as good) Investing in tooling and materials to produce a > product that may or may not sell is a big gamble. It is not uncommon when > dealing with the rather fickle consumer to continuously have over 25% (or > more) of your annual sales volume invested in inventory. Not to mention > money tied up in capital investments. > > I can assure that the altruistic views of a group like this would change if > it was YOUR money. > > Profits in a company are delecate. Not every company out there is an Enron > or Worldcom. In the end getting to keep 5% of the pie Net after taxes is > doing pretty good for most companys. > > And when a comany goes from 5% profit to 10% this will be loudly announced > on the news as 100% increse in profits. We all know the math is correct, but > John Q. average gets a vision that much different at the mention of 100% > increase. > > Many were outraged when Lionel moved assembly off shore. The truth is you > might not be able to buy anything from them at all if they didn't. Labor > costs in this country are just getting too high for companys like this to > exist with a global economy. Why do you think Showcase has most of their > work done overseas? You can buy aluminum RIM injection molding tooling in > Taiwan/China for what aluminum vacuum formed tooling costs in the U.S. > > I am sure this move seemed to many to be a strictly moral issue. And for > some reason people think that decisions made for financial reasons are > immoral. I can assure that a company who does not make frugal financial > decisions will not have any employees to employ. So in my opinion to not be > conservative is to risk the livelyhood of employees. > > Sorry, > > Soapbox = off Well said.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22856	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 5, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22857	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Too many train mags---need more space!!

Hi Rick, I have been doing what you are getting ready to do, with these magazines, especially since CTT has allot of ads anyway!!, for several years. I have a stack of S layouts and then a stack of S article's plus anything that is non S that might apply, like a layout idea from O, articles on wires, things in general, etc. I started notebooks, but I am behind with it. I use a hole puncher for the tear outs, done carefully, of these magazines, as I would think plastic protectors will become heavy and bulky. Just a thought, plus the expense of those things. Now to do the other 12 magazines in other areas of interest!! Cooking, folk music, cats, Maine, Washington Senators, C&O Canal, Blueridge, Frederick, MD....too many magazines and newsletters! And to think I just cut some subscriptions out! LOL! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Too many train mags---need more space!! > I am currently "gutting" my Classic Toy Train magazines,..I have only subscribed since '98, > but am running out of room for all of my magazines!! (S-Gaugian-Dispatch-CTT) I started cutting out > only the Christmas layout articles, (no matter the gauge-can get ideas from any gauge!), from my CTTs. Then > I figured while I'm at it,...save all of the American Flyer articles and "S" layouts. > I am using sheet protectors and one large binder for now,..may need another binder before long. This will be > easy to store, and easy to pull out and look at the articles, AND make more space for my S-Gaugians that > for sure WON'T be cut up!! > The sheet protectors are great for saving SHS/AM catalogs also, (if you wish),..all of my AF catalogs are stored in a binder this way. I bought my sheet protectors at K-Mart, 100 ct...under seven bucks. > I have in the past, made copys of articles from Model Railroader, that were handy for any scale, and put them in a binder and sold off > the magazines. Keep only what ya want!! Get ridda the rest!! > > > Rick "Spring cleaning in Jan." Evans. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22858	From: Euell Johnson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Let's buy the Company

Chris hits this on the head.......Whose going to but the product, with what money? If this weren't so serious and critical to all of us, and our livelyhoods, we could have some real fun with it. But the fact is that labor rates in Mexico, China and most other places in the world are so much less than it is here. Yet we are covered up with illegal aliens from all over the world to compete for what few jobs that there are. Drive around your village, town or city and look at the empty factory buildings. While you are looking, see if you can remember whether the company went out of business or "off shore". I try to buy American/Canadian. But this is becoming more and more difficult. Go down to Wal-Marts and look at their clothing. Go to Foot Locker and look at their shoes. Check what your wives buy at Dillard's. Check to tools you by from Black and Decker. NAFTA and FREE TRADE are putting us our of work! Euell Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22859	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: stealing the S-gauge market?

Don Thompson wrote: > Dear Steve, > I think you are confused. I do not consider what we here at SHS or > Ron and his family at American Models to be stealing the S-gauge market > from Lionel. I know we are all working hard to make the best trains > possible for our S gauge customers and I think if you look at our market > share, our customers agree (today can you say that about LTI's AF > line?).. If anything, they are neglecting the S gauge market and due > to that, SHS and AM has been able to make these inroads. The market is > evolving in all scales and the top dog in 0-27 has been asleep at the > switch (ask MTH). I am sure they are now awake and hopefully will > start to add quality products to their S gauge line. > Don Thompson I certainly agree with the essence of this statement. A number of years ago, I wrote that it was not reasonable to expect that LTI would enhance AF despite the fact that they had purchased it. It seemed clear to me that to continue with serious development of AF would clash with its O-27 development. The latter was better established and was bread and butter for LTI. So what did they do? For years they produced re-runs of old AF equipment and gradually morphed that operation into collector oriented production. The NASG helped them in that connection, though probably unwittingly, by each year sponsoring an AF car or two which could only be obtained by NASG members. That contributed materially to the membership of the NASG, but did little for furthering AF development. The "modern" S gauge market was almost exclusively developed by S Helper and American Models. Perhaps LTI is awakening to the pontential of the S gauge market, but don't bet on it. S gauge is and will always be serious competition for O-27. There is no reason for LTI to compete with itself. Bob Jackson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22860	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

Euell, et al, While what you say about jobs moving from the US overseas, and about NAFTA are in large measure true, that is not the real story, merely a natural consequence of where we are an advanced industrialized nation. Fact of the matter is that our entire economy has evolved from a manufacturing based one to a service based one. This was, in effect, a matter of choice of our society. A similar phenomenon happened in Japan. Remember when your Christmas tree lights and toys were made there? Where are they now made: China, Korea, etc. Same with clothes and other stuff that is manufactured. Japan is now manufacturing cyber stuff, high-tech electronic gismos and providing more and more education for people to develop and produce the stuff. In short, Japan is evolving (has already evolved?) to a similar situation as ourselves. With a work force as educated as ours, and with a group of consumers such as reside in these United Stares, (that is, we all want everything) it is a logical progression to "price ourselves out of the market" when it comes to blue collar manufacturing jobs. In many types of work, the only ones willing to even do the manual labor are from less affluent countries-you all know which ones. So those jobs going south (that great "sucking noise" Ross Perot referred to) are going that direction for only one reason: Collectively, we don't want them. On a more important matter, just recently bought my first batch of SHS track and boy is it terrific! engines and rolling stock run like they are on greased glass. Well done SHS!! Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: Euell Johnson <bigfoot@...> > Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 18:13:12 -0600 > To: slist <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Let's buy the Company > > Chris hits this on the head.......Whose going to but the product, with what > money? > > If this weren't so serious and critical to all of us, and our livelyhoods, we > could have some real fun with it. But the fact is that labor rates in Mexico, > China and most other places in the world are so much less than it is here. Yet > we are covered up with illegal aliens from all over the world to compete for > what few jobs that there are. Drive around your village, town or city and look > at the empty factory buildings. While you are looking, see if you can remember > whether the company went out of business or "off shore". > > I try to buy American/Canadian. But this is becoming more and more difficult. > Go down to Wal-Marts and look at their clothing. Go to Foot Locker and look at > their shoes. Check what your wives buy at Dillard's. Check to tools you by > from Black and Decker. NAFTA and FREE TRADE are putting us our of work! > > Euell Johnson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22861	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: stealing the S-gauge market?

Any sale of AF products would be money in there pocket no matter where it comes from. To compete with one's self is the American way. Look at the divisions of GM, Ford etc. They don't just sell a cars with one wheelbase... There would be some "O" converts would but the new money would be from the HO converts if they went into it whole heartedly. IMHO, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jackson [mailto:rwjaxon@...] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:51 PM To: Don Thompson Cc: boss31@...; S-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Re: stealing the S-gauge market? Don Thompson wrote: > Dear Steve, > I think you are confused. I do not consider what we here at SHS or > Ron and his family at American Models to be stealing the S-gauge market > from Lionel. I know we are all working hard to make the best trains > possible for our S gauge customers and I think if you look at our market > share, our customers agree (today can you say that about LTI's AF > line?).. If anything, they are neglecting the S gauge market and due > to that, SHS and AM has been able to make these inroads. The market is > evolving in all scales and the top dog in 0-27 has been asleep at the > switch (ask MTH). I am sure they are now awake and hopefully will > start to add quality products to their S gauge line. > Don Thompson I certainly agree with the essence of this statement. A number of years ago, I wrote that it was not reasonable to expect that LTI would enhance AF despite the fact that they had purchased it. It seemed clear to me that to continue with serious development of AF would clash with its O-27 development. The latter was better established and was bread and butter for LTI. So what did they do? For years they produced re-runs of old AF equipment and gradually morphed that operation into collector oriented production. The NASG helped them in that connection, though probably unwittingly, by each year sponsoring an AF car or two which could only be obtained by NASG members. That contributed materially to the membership of the NASG, but did little for furthering AF development. The "modern" S gauge market was almost exclusively developed by S Helper and American Models. Perhaps LTI is awakening to the pontential of the S gauge market, but don't bet on it. S gauge is and will always be serious competition for O-27. There is no reason for LTI to compete with itself. Bob Jackson S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22862	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Too many train mags---need more space!!

I have a 2-drawer file cabinet for old articles from MRR, CTT, etc that I MAY want to refer to later. All in hanging folders by category. Works for me! Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <comic@...> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Too many train mags---need more space!! > Hi Rick, > > I have been doing what you are getting ready to do, with these magazines, > especially since CTT has allot of ads anyway!!, for several years. > > I have a stack of S layouts and then a stack of S article's plus anything > that is non S that might apply, like a layout idea from O, articles on > wires, things in general, etc. > > I started notebooks, but I am behind with it. > > I use a hole puncher for the tear outs, done carefully, of these magazines, > as I would think plastic protectors will become heavy and bulky. Just a > thought, plus the expense of those things. > > Now to do the other 12 magazines in other areas of interest!! Cooking, folk > music, cats, Maine, Washington Senators, C&O Canal, Blueridge, Frederick, > MD....too many magazines and newsletters! And to think I just cut some > subscriptions out! LOL! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 3:39 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Too many train mags---need more space!! > > > > I am currently "gutting" my Classic Toy Train magazines,..I have only > subscribed since '98, > > but am running out of room for all of my magazines!! > (S-Gaugian-Dispatch-CTT) I started cutting out > > only the Christmas layout articles, (no matter the gauge-can get ideas > from any gauge!), from my CTTs. Then > > I figured while I'm at it,...save all of the American Flyer articles and > "S" layouts. > > I am using sheet protectors and one large binder for now,..may need > another binder before long. This will be > > easy to store, and easy to pull out and look at the articles, AND make > more space for my S-Gaugians that > > for sure WON'T be cut up!! > > The sheet protectors are great for saving SHS/AM catalogs also, (if > you wish),..all of my AF catalogs are stored in a binder this way. I bought > my sheet protectors at K-Mart, 100 ct...under seven bucks. > > I have in the past, made copys of articles from Model Railroader, that > were handy for any scale, and put them in a binder and sold off > > the magazines. Keep only what ya want!! Get ridda the rest!! > > > > > > Rick "Spring cleaning in Jan." Evans. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22863	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: stealing the S-gauge market?

Carl Tuveson wrote: > Any sale of AF products would be money in there pocket no matter where it > comes from. To compete with one's self is the American way. Look at the > divisions of GM, Ford etc. They don't just sell a cars with one wheelbase... I expected that someone would bring this up. Sorry, Carl, it just won't fly. For most of their lives, each division, was set off not only in terms of style, performance and so-forth, but in particular in price. GM's price tier went from the bottom end of Chevrolet through to the top end of Cadillac. For sure there was some degree of overlap between the adjacent tiers, but they did not go head to head with each other. More recently the distinction between tiers diminished which contributed materially to the decision to drop certain divisions. This trend may have started as far back as the elimination of De Soto from the Chrysler line. But very recently GM announced the elimination of Oldsmobile in a couple of years. Moreover, even within divisions a lot of pruning has occured with the aim of reducing the overlap with models in other divisions. That they don't sell cars with one wheelbase is precisely an attempt both to compete with other manufacturers of cars with similar wheelbase and to avoid internal competition. In the end however, the selling of automobiles bears little resemblence to a comparison of S gauge with O-27. Here the markets are tiny by comparison to autos. They depend very heavily on Christmas sales. There is a very traditional aspect to the product line with certain cars and locos available year after year. Who would expect to buy a brand new 1949 Ford year after year after year for more than 20 years. Lionel O-27 and AF occupy the same niche and have since Hector was a pup. If their sales were totally additive to one another then you might expect that LTI would try to push each very hard, but to a significant degree they are subtractive. (Alex, I promise this is my last missive on the subject.) Bob Jackson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22864	From: nasglibrary	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: 1952 AF Instruction Booklet

All -- The booklet that Carl has graciously put on his website is also available in hardcopy form from the NASG's Mobley Library. Price is $3.80 plus $1 postage, for NASG members only. Dick Karnes, Librarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22865	From: John G	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Replacement Speaker

Need a replacement speaker for your Diesel or want to add one to a engine that didn't come with one? Try the Radio Shack number 273-093 speaker. It's smaller than the original which makes it fit in most units. Size: 1 9/16" Dia and only about 3/16" thick. This compares to the original which is 2" in diameter. Cost - About $3. I bought one to put in my 499 New Haven and used foam tape to mount it. It sounds nice using a 22 microfarad capacitor. I don't think they are carried in the new Radio Shack product line, so you may want to go to the store now & get one while they are still in stock. John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22866	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Stealing??

In a message dated 01/05/2003 1:33:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, robin@... writes: > Dear Steve, > I think you are confused. I do not consider what we here at SHS or > Ron and his family at American Models to be stealing the S-gauge market > from Lionel. I know we are all working hard to make the best trains > possible for our S gauge customers and I think if you look at our market > share, our customers agree (today can you say that about LTI's AF > line?).. If anything, they are neglecting the S gauge market and due > to that, SHS and AM has been able to make these inroads. The market is > evolving in all scales and the top dog in 0-27 has been asleep at the > switch (ask MTH). I am sure they are now awake and hopefully will > start to add quality products to their S gauge line. > Don Thompson > I answerted Don directly on this. He misunderstood my use of the word stealing. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22867	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: Stealing??

They did not steal this market, Lionel unknowingly GAVE IT to them as I said before GOOD BYE to Lionel ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Stealing?? In a message dated 01/05/2003 1:33:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, robin@... writes: > Dear Steve, > I think you are confused. I do not consider what we here at SHS or > Ron and his family at American Models to be stealing the S-gauge market > from Lionel. I know we are all working hard to make the best trains > possible for our S gauge customers and I think if you look at our market > share, our customers agree (today can you say that about LTI's AF > line?).. If anything, they are neglecting the S gauge market and due > to that, SHS and AM has been able to make these inroads. The market is > evolving in all scales and the top dog in 0-27 has been asleep at the > switch (ask MTH). I am sure they are now awake and hopefully will > start to add quality products to their S gauge line. > Don Thompson > I answerted Don directly on this. He misunderstood my use of the word stealing. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22868	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: Re: STEALING

Who has the salvage rights to a ship left adrift at sea? Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22869	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/5/2003
Subject: repro reproducer

Has anyone out there tried Mark Preman's repro talking station reproducer yet? Any comments? Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22870	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: Lets Buy The Co.

<<< From: anormal1@... Subject: Re: Re: Lets Buy The Co. Ah Middle Earth A bit warmer than LA but a wise decision as it would be an equal distance for all & no debate on that. :) Mike S. >>> Ahhhh...the Earth Science teacher in me (DESPITE retirement) WILL take issue with that! Earth may not be flat, but it ain't ROUND either! So we're not all equidistant from Middle Earth! Sorry.....I know there's no S in this, but I COULDN'T resist! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22871	From: NiteOwlDJ1@aol.com	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1708

Kind of makes you wonder about so many USA Consumer Items being made in Japan,... Looks like they are winning WW2 in a round about way!! WATR Radio's, The "NiteOwl".., Chuck Lund.., Retired..., But Still spinning those Great "Oldies" from time to time! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22872	From: Euell Johnson	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Let's but the Comapny

There are less than a half a dozen subjects that get me up on a soap box. The exportation of our economic base and the exploitation of our ecomomy is one of them. With due respect to others on the list that prefer to discuss train subjects, I will try to step down from my box. But as I do, let me point out that TVs, cars, microwave ovens, etc. are hardly part of a buggywhip ecomony. And after the Japanese have taken over these markets, they have come back and are manufacturing these products here in the good ol' U. S. of A. As I am getting down, I will shout names such as Kawazaki, Susuki, Komatsu, Kuboto, Sony, Sharp, Yokohama, Bridgestone, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, etc. P. S. Japan has been in a 10 year long recession. Is that what is ahead for us? Now back to trains. EJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22873	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: Let's buy the Company

I'm with Tim. All the trains I want have already been built-AMEN. AF by ACG Forever,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > Hi Ted, > > I'd kick in a buck, two ninety-eight on your project - but I'll go out on the limb here and say that one of the things I like best about vintage Flyer is that there is only so much of it. It's not like the Lionel line that just keeps going and going and going. I wouldn't know where to begin to start collecting their very fine toy trains. Sorry Chris, but all the toy trains in the world I ever want have already been built. I just need to find them and run them. The only good thing I can personally see about reissues is that they may drive the prices of vintage pieces down - so I can buy more for my money. > > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: trzp1800 <trzp1800@i...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:55 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Let's buy the Company > > > At the risk of stirring the pot unmercifully.. > > Let's buy AF back from Lionel. Seriously! Lots of folks here (and > over on the Scale group as well) are complaining about the quality, > selection and responsiveness of the Lion to the Flyer community. I > don't think Lionel is ever going to risk their market share by > building up the only real competitor they ever had for the "toy > train" market. The market is smaller than it used to be and why spend > money on dulicate tooling? > > Apologies to all who will/are taking offense to my calling AF a toy > train (and also to you loyal MARX lovers out there). But frankly, > they're ALL toy trains. (That includes you HO guys too) Some trains > are just more faithful to prototypical, proportions, detail, and > paint scheme. AND some modelers are more faithful to prototypical > operations and modeling than others. More power to you proto guys > (and gals), I love to look at your layouts! Some are unbelievable in > their realism. And I know secretly you prototypical guys REALLY want > to come over to my layout and load a few barrels with Louie. > > But, back on subject. I've got $10 dollars to spare in buying back AF > from Lionel. Who's with me? BTW, does anyone interested in doing > this actually KNOW how to make an engine, for mass production? I'm > not talking about Don and Doug and the other folks that have their > hands full doing the beautiful models that are currently available > for all us hungry S-Gaugers. I mean you guys that are ready to start > up a business and make it into a viable player in the toy train > market. > > I think our first product should be SIM-Flyer. That would sell and > the production costs will be low. Very little tooling. > > Ten dollars... > > "Bubble, Bubble, Toil and Trouble.." > Ted > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@Y... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22874	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: silly brass question

Uh... Since I have never done it, how do you assemble something out of brass? I've welded and brazed steel with a torch, soldered copper pipe too but if I want to build something out of brass... Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22875	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Kitbashing with aluminium

I discovered an aluminium channel the same dimensions as a gp and alco truck chassis. is there any metalurgic reason that one cannot use aluminium in a train truck. I can use stock flyer wheels and build an 8 wheel truck with this channel. I may figure how to build a power truck too. Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22876	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Feedback

Mr. Chairman, I hereby award a positive feedback to Doug Peck and Portlines Hobbies for another order well-filled and job well-done. It is a delight to deal with him. If you haven't, you should. Happy New Year, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 wpporter@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22877	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: silly brass question

Soldering works fine. Steve Jeffrey Tangeman wrote: > Uh... > > Since I have never done it, how do you assemble something out of brass? > > I've welded and brazed steel with a torch, soldered copper pipe too but if > I want to build something out of brass... > > Jeff > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22878	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: S-Club!

Went to www.allmusic.com to look something up and saw something on the homepage and thought a new S Club was forming!! O:)! Here is what I got when I click the link, as I knew it wasn't a train club, but a music group of some kind, but had a great laugh! See maybe Lionel is really putting all their money for AF into this group instead! LOL!! Mike Don't Stop Movin' Artist S-Club Album Title Don't Stop Movin' Date of Release Dec 17, 2002 Genre Rock Styles Dance-Pop, Teen Pop [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22879	From: David Engle	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1708

NiteOwlDJ1@... wrote: >Kind of makes you wonder about so many USA Consumer Items being made in >Japan,... Looks like they are winning WW2 in a round about way!! > > > WHATTYA MEAN JAPAN?? Try to find something not made in CHINA!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22880	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: Re: silly brass question

Dear Jeff, Resistance soldering is the only way to go. I once soldered a brass SSL&S ladder to a Stewart lead/antimony alloy end sill using a small carbon anode and a 100 watt Flyer transformer and eutectic solder. Maybe others modelers might have some good techniques. Don Thompson (note to Terry, please do not get upset for me using the "AF" word on the S scale e-group....your friend Don) Jeffrey Tangeman wrote: >Uh... > >Since I have never done it, how do you assemble something out of brass? > >I've welded and brazed steel with a torch, soldered copper pipe too but if >I want to build something out of brass... > >Jeff > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22881	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/6/2003
Subject: not silly at all brass question

Jeff's question is a good one, and also says a lot about the current state of S gauge. Thirty years ago, any S gauger would have been able to answer it. There wasn't much RTR stuff available, and everyone had to roll their own. No one was modelling in styrene yet, epoxy was new, and ACC hadn't been dreamed of yet. . Many S gaugers were making things from brass, and the old S Gauge herald was full of articles on scratchbuilding locos and converting Flyer, often using brass. They mostly soldered brass items together with a torch, using wet cotton balls to prevent nearby solder joints from mekting. Resistance soldering is probably even better. SSL&S was producing brass loco kits and lost wax brass castings of parts for superdetailing. Jeff: when you get a chance, check out some of the articles in the old Herald. You will soon learn about building in brass. It's a fascinating subject. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22882	From: waldootten	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Seeking track-laying advice please

As I posted a few days ago, I've had a very bad experience with the service at InternetTrains.com -- my order of a month ago for 450 feet of AMI Instant Roadbed was put on back order -- even though I made it plain to the sales rep I spoke with that I needed it right away. She thought the stuff was in stock, it wasn't -- but they never cared enough to notify me. Heck, knowing that, I could have spent the last four weeks looking elsewhere for the same product. Like a dope, I believed in them and waited and now I have a huge problem. I'm told AMI is out of five of the sizes/colors and is in the middle of a production run. I'm told no retailer has in stock any of the 2-inch black I need at this time. I have about 40 children due this Saturday late afternoon to see original American Flyer. I plan to lay about 275 feet of track on five main lines and run eight trains at once. I am using American Models track. Obviously, now I have to really work fast and am forced to change my original plan. I want to get some track down quick on a plywood base covered (temporarily) with grass rolls. But I don't want to to be too "permanent" so when I can get the AMI roadbed I can pull the track up easily and do the job the way I planned. Any advice on the best way to anchor the AM track to the plywood over the ersatz "grass" rolls? I don't want to damage the track in any way when I pick it up later on. I was thinking small, dark- headed brad nails. But I'm sure someone else has a better idea. Thanks in advance, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22883	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Seeking track-laying advice please

Put a layer of homosote on top of the plywood. The nails will hold good and pull out easily. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: waldootten <waldootten@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Seeking track-laying advice please As I posted a few days ago, I've had a very bad experience with the service at InternetTrains.com -- my order of a month ago for 450 feet of AMI Instant Roadbed was put on back order -- even though I made it plain to the sales rep I spoke with that I needed it right away. She thought the stuff was in stock, it wasn't -- but they never cared enough to notify me. Heck, knowing that, I could have spent the last four weeks looking elsewhere for the same product. Like a dope, I believed in them and waited and now I have a huge problem. I'm told AMI is out of five of the sizes/colors and is in the middle of a production run. I'm told no retailer has in stock any of the 2-inch black I need at this time. I have about 40 children due this Saturday late afternoon to see original American Flyer. I plan to lay about 275 feet of track on five main lines and run eight trains at once. I am using American Models track. Obviously, now I have to really work fast and am forced to change my original plan. I want to get some track down quick on a plywood base covered (temporarily) with grass rolls. But I don't want to to be too "permanent" so when I can get the AMI roadbed I can pull the track up easily and do the job the way I planned. Any advice on the best way to anchor the AM track to the plywood over the ersatz "grass" rolls? I don't want to damage the track in any way when I pick it up later on. I was thinking small, dark- headed brad nails. But I'm sure someone else has a better idea. Thanks in advance, Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22884	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Seeking track-laying advice please

Based on your time crunch, I see 2 options: 1) Use 1/2 piece HO and 1/2 piece cork together. Staple in place if you want to move it later. Ideally paint roadbed gray, assuming you don't want to make it permanent by ballasting. Then drill a hole about every foot in a tie and use the brads to hold the track. Cork roadbed is available at any reasonably well stocked train store. If you can only get HO roadbed then you need to cut an additional strip that fills in the center. 2) Don't use roadbed at all and go with your dark headed brad idea. Again, place one about every food or, if you're using sectional track, one at one side of every joint. Drill the tiny hole the brad needs to avoid damaging the track. "waldootten " wrote: > > As I posted a few days ago, I've had a very bad experience with the > service at InternetTrains.com -- my order of a month ago for 450 > feet of AMI Instant Roadbed was put on back order -- even though I > made it plain to the sales rep I spoke with that I needed it right > away. She thought the stuff was in stock, it wasn't -- but they > never cared enough to notify me. Heck, knowing that, I could have > spent the last four weeks looking elsewhere for the same product. > Like a dope, I believed in them and waited and now I have a huge > problem. I'm told AMI is out of five of the sizes/colors and is in > the middle of a production run. I'm told no retailer has in stock > any of the 2-inch black I need at this time. > > I have about 40 children due this Saturday late afternoon to see > original American Flyer. I plan to lay about 275 feet of track on > five main lines and run eight trains at once. I am using American > Models track. Obviously, now I have to really work fast and am > forced to change my original plan. I want to get some track down > quick on a plywood base covered (temporarily) with grass rolls. But > I don't want to to be too "permanent" so when I can get the AMI > roadbed I can pull the track up easily and do the job the way I > planned. > > Any advice on the best way to anchor the AM track to the plywood > over the ersatz "grass" rolls? I don't want to damage the track in > any way when I pick it up later on. I was thinking small, dark- > headed brad nails. But I'm sure someone else has a better idea. > > Thanks in advance, > > Phil K > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22885	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Seeking track-laying advice please

Has anyone used HO cork as roadbed, leaving a gap in the middle? Have you had any problems? I have some extra HO cork roadbed from my earlier HO days which I could use under, for example, SHS flextrack. tx for info in advance Rance Velapoldi Chuck Smith wrote: >Based on your time crunch, I see 2 options: >1) Use 1/2 piece HO and 1/2 piece cork together. Staple in place if you >want to move it later. Ideally paint roadbed gray, assuming you don't >want to make it permanent by ballasting. Then drill a hole about every >foot in a tie and use the brads to hold the track. Cork roadbed is >available at any reasonably well stocked train store. If you can only >get HO roadbed then you need to cut an additional strip that fills in >the center. > >2) Don't use roadbed at all and go with your dark headed brad idea. >Again, place one about every food or, if you're using sectional track, >one at one side of every joint. Drill the tiny hole the brad needs to >avoid damaging the track. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22886	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] Seeking track-laying advice please

Rance and Bente Velapoldi wrote: > Has anyone used HO cork as roadbed, leaving a gap in the middle? Haveyou > had any problems? I have some extra HO cork roadbed from my earlier HO > days which I could use under, for example, SHS flextrack. Yes, I have. Assuming that the extra HO cork is still flexible and not brittle or friable there should be no problem is using it as you suggest. If you ultimately ballast then you will use a bit more ballast to fill the gap, but it is not a big deal. You should consider the height of the cork in regard to matching it to other roadbed that you might use in the future. Matching is also not much of a problem, but it might be a consideration when deciding whether to use the HO cork or not. If you like cork, I suggest that you consider using N scale cork with four strips laid side by side. The inner two strips are obviously laid with their beveled edges touching each other, which is to say, at the centerline of the roadbed. N scale cork is not as thick as HO. Much of my yard areas are laid with N scale cork. Bob Jackson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22887	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Seeking track-laying advice please

I used some for a section at the back of my layout where it couldn't be seen from above. Worked there with no problems for years. Rance and Bente Velapoldi wrote: > > Has anyone used HO cork as roadbed, leaving a gap in the middle? Have > you had any problems? I have some extra HO cork roadbed from my earlier > HO days which I could use under, for example, SHS flextrack. > tx for info in advance > Rance Velapoldi > > Chuck Smith wrote: > > >Based on your time crunch, I see 2 options: > >1) Use 1/2 piece HO and 1/2 piece cork together. Staple in place if you > >want to move it later. Ideally paint roadbed gray, assuming you don't > >want to make it permanent by ballasting. Then drill a hole about every > >foot in a tie and use the brads to hold the track. Cork roadbed is > >available at any reasonably well stocked train store. If you can only > >get HO roadbed then you need to cut an additional strip that fills in > >the center. > > > >2) Don't use roadbed at all and go with your dark headed brad idea. > >Again, place one about every food or, if you're using sectional track, > >one at one side of every joint. Drill the tiny hole the brad needs to > >avoid damaging the track. > > > > -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22888	From: TCS	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Fw: new email addy

Due to spam I have change my email to mopac@... Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22889	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

So I am a month behind. Sue me. (Or since I am married to Catherine: Catherine me!) Why is the EP-5 listed as a DIESEL? The EP-5s never had a diesel fire within them: internal or external combustion. They did have a number of electrical fires... I can state from experience that the AF 499 EP-5 CAN run from catenary. I did so in 1976. I plan to do it again with my Flyonel 8008 and 8010. My votes are: Steam: Franklin, 343 0-8-0, and 336 4-8-4. Diesel: Silver Flash PA-1 and Seaboard Baldwin. Electric: NH 499 and Flyonel Milw 8010. (Please do not tell me the Milwaukee did not have any EP-5s. I know this. But show me another electric I can purchase painted for the Milwaukee Road.) And the big winner???? I'll go with something from SHS or American Models. I can purchase them new today. Thorin The big losers to me are the AF F-9 and the Casey Jones. My Casey Jones, ugly as it is, became a great runner as soon as I removed the lead truck. So it is a very ugly 0-4-0. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22890	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: SHS 2002 Xmas Car

Dear Robert: Are you still looking for one? I have a spare that I will let go for $40.00 plus S/H. This is a box car with presents, not the 2003 Jack Frost sugar. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22891	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Xmas layout

Train Gang, I have finally posted some pictures of my Xmas layout. This year I added a mountain with tunnel and some retaining walls to hind the base board heaters. Both the tunnel portals and the retaining walls are hand carved joint compound over Styrofoam. The link is http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album60 Hope you enjoy, Tom S, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22892	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Xmas layout

Tom - In looking at the photos again, I don't see any wires so I assume you don't use the 115 vac lights. If not, what do you use for lights and wire? I use 3 miniature xmas tree lights in series in each building, with 24 ga wire, and hook them to an old AF transformer at about 5 volts, but I'm always looking for other ideas. Thanks. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Xmas layout > Train Gang, > > I have finally posted some pictures of my Xmas layout. This year I added a mountain with tunnel and some retaining walls to hind the base board heaters. Both the tunnel portals and the retaining walls are hand carved joint compound over Styrofoam. > > The link is > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album60 > > Hope you enjoy, > > Tom S, in Maine > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22893	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: AF Set ?

Want to thank everybody with the replies concerning the cattle feet, they will be shipped tomorrow. Got another question concerning a set- what year it was produced and a number if possible. It contains a 283, 921, 925, 930, 931, 937 Any ideas? Thanks, Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22894	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1708

Japan is not a factor. They lost big time in a lot of their land aquisition deals in this country and now Hondas are made in Tn.(?). China and other currently developing countries are the new challenge if we still want to MAKE things in the USA. Do we? Should we? Must we? Mayhaps we should start a "global economy and national long term survival" yahoogroup? Ted NiteOwlDJ1@a... wrote: > Kind of makes you wonder about so many USA Consumer Items being made in > Japan,... Looks like they are winning WW2 in a round about way!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22895	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Seeking track-laying advice please

Hi: The S and HO roadbed combo works well. Attaching it with staples is quick. Using screws is more easly undone. Us a 3/8 recessed head self tapping screw. Drill a counter sink in the cork for it so it will fit flush. Then use 3/8 self tapping screws to secure the roadbed to the cork, not to the table. This will keep it quiet. Paint the screw heads dark when you're all done. Although the kids won't know the difference. They will care about the running trains and the operating accessories. The homosote idea may be quicker if you just lay the track directly on the homosote with the 3/8" screws. This method will also require less screws as the track won't be sliding off the road bed. If it moves a little, no haarm done. In either case, don't worry about having the track laid down "rigid". Let it float between the hold down screws. Put just enough screws in to keep it from sliding out from under the trains. Watch out for corners and the start/end of corners. Drop a screw in each turnout. A very wise man taught me that Flyer runs good when the tracks have some give to 'em. Good luck, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22896	From: keith kuzma	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: decals

What is the best way to remove a partial decal off a flyer loco? Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22897	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Kitbashing with aluminium

Does not ware very good. You would need some brass bearings. Thank you Larry Jackman Jeffrey Tangeman wrote: > > I discovered an aluminium channel the same dimensions as a gp and alco > truck chassis. is there any metalurgic reason that one cannot use aluminium > in a train truck. > > I can use stock flyer wheels and build an 8 wheel truck with this channel. > I may figure how to build a power truck too. > > Jeff >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22898	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: Xmas layout

Thomas: What a wonderful layout! I'm inspired! Next year i'll do better. Regards, Ted "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@g...> wrote: > I have finally posted some pictures of my Xmas layout.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22899	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Car Layout...

Look at this layout....only needs TRAINS......Bob http://www.hotworldcustoms.com/Mark%20V.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22900	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Rebuilding a Franklin smoke unit

I've got a Franklin with a dying smoke unit. Can anyone offer advice on rebuilding one of these? It has the crimped on fiber board, so it is not so easy like the regular units. Also, how many turns of nichrome wire should I use? Thanks, Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22901	From: David	Date: 1/7/2003
Subject: Re: AF Set ?

No sets came with that exact consist from the factory. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jhannawald@c... wrote: > Want to thank everybody with the replies concerning the cattle feet, they will be shipped tomorrow. > > Got another question concerning a set- what year it was produced and a number if possible. > > It contains a 283, 921, 925, 930, 931, 937 > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22902	From: theodore weiler	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Dallas Area Train Show

The Trinity Express 'S' Scalers along with the Lone Star Fliers and a Sn3 group (don't know their name, but great mountain scenery) will be setting up at the regional show this January 18th and 19th in Plano, TX. Lots of modular layouts including the 3 'S' gauge ones. Ted Weiler Trinity Express S Scalers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22903	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: Set #

In a message dated 1/8/03 8:42:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:22:06 -0500 > From: jhannawald@... > Subject: AF Set ? > > Want to thank everybody with the replies concerning the cattle feet, they > will be shipped tomorrow. > > Got another question concerning a set- what year it was produced and a > number if possible. > > It contains a 283, 921, 925, 930, 931, 937 > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > Set # 9691, from 1956, per the Robert J. Tufts book. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22904	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Train set with 283

Regarding the question below, it is probably the 1955 set 5510T, "The New Mountaineer Freight" with an extra car, the 937, and probably the 930 caboose was substituted for the original 938. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. --------------------------------------------------- Got another question concerning a set- what year it was produced and a number if possible. It contains a 283, 921, 925, 930, 931, 937

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22905	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

Dear Paul: Because the EP-5 is the ONLY AF electric, I too am forced to lump the EP-5 with the diesels. Greenberg's did it too. Under the skin, the AF EP-5 is the same as an AF Geep or single motor PA-1. Catherine is doing much better. Last night she tried to come to bed with me and stayed for two hours. A good beginning since her third abdominal cancer surgery on December 9th. (This time we think we got it: 3% - 5% reoccurrence.) Tomorrow we go to the doctor and find out when she can drive again. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Paul Yorke [mailto:s_trains@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:32 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New poll for S-Trains It is there because I know lots more about computers than i do trains. And you can Sue me, cuz my wife is sue. --- "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > So I am a month behind. Sue me. (Or since I am > married to Catherine: > Catherine me!) > > Why is the EP-5 listed as a DIESEL? The EP-5s never > had a diesel fire > within them: internal or external combustion. They > did have a number of > electrical fires... > > I can state from experience that the AF 499 EP-5 CAN > run from catenary. I > did so in 1976. I plan to do it again with my > Flyonel 8008 and 8010. > > My votes are: > Steam: > Franklin, 343 0-8-0, and 336 4-8-4. > Diesel: > Silver Flash PA-1 and Seaboard Baldwin. > Electric: > NH 499 and Flyonel Milw 8010. (Please do > not tell me the Milwaukee > did not have any EP-5s. I know this. But > show me another electric > I can purchase painted for the Milwaukee > Road.) > > And the big winner???? > > I'll go with something from SHS or American Models. > I can purchase them new > today. > > Thorin > > The big losers to me are the AF F-9 and the Casey > Jones. > My Casey Jones, ugly as it is, became a great > runner as soon as I > removed the lead truck. So it is a very ugly 0-4-0. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22906	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: For Sale SHS #3 remote turnouts

I have 4 of the #3 remote switches for sale. They are still in the box. 3 of them were used on my Christmas layout last year. This year I stuck with flyer track and switches and have decided to go ahead and sell these. They work fine and have very little time on them. One has no time on it. E-mail me off list if interested. I guess next step is ebay if no interest here. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22907	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: My photo album....

If you haven't seen my photo album,....here is a shortcut,....I hope!! http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album31 I hope I got it right!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22908	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Layouts

I would like to know if the list members change their layouts with the seasons. Anyone keep the same layout all year? What say ye? John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22909	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: Rebuilding a Franklin smoke unit

First of all, try this. If you have some cigarette lighter fluid, fill the unit to max then let it sit overnight or until if evaporates. After this is done, ad some smoke fluid and then run the engine to see if this helps. These engines dont smoke as much as a reg. engine. If this does not help a new wick will be needed. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22910	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: My photo album....

Nice photos Rick, chalk trays didn't look that good when I was in school!............. Oh Boy! Trains!.....................Herky1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22911	From: David Engle	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] Seeking track-laying advice please

Anyone remember WILL ESTES, otherwise known to S Gauge Herald readers as "Ol Pop Valve"? He bought the cheapest HO track he could find, slit it down the middle and laid it to S scale, and ballasted over the gaps on the ties. Old Timers like him had nothing else to work with.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22912	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Michael Christensen

Michael Christensen please email me if you are still subscribed to the list. Thanks, Lance McCold

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22913	From: Richard Alexander	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: remote controller for 720 switch

My layout is now complete and all nailed-down, but now I realize my switches have no controllers "oops". I did ask at several train/hobby store locally and they all laughed at me (last time I do that). Before I buy the switch controllers at one of the favorite s-guage retailers ... ... is there any controller that I can get from Radio Shack or someplace like that. My track & trains are all original American Flyer, but my transformers and control panel are all "Rube Goldberg". Rick __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22914	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: remote controller for 720 switch

If your switches are the later style you can use Atlas switch controllers. They have no lights but are cheap and easy to hook up. Available at any hobby shop that has HO. The later style switches are the ones with one square box under the indicator light. The earlier switches with the elongated boxes use a controller that's always on. However, now that I think about it, should be able to use an Atlas controller for these also by holding down the button until the switch throws (or doesn't). I personally dislike these earlier switches. Most of them that I have are warped now and don't work well. Richard Alexander wrote: > > My layout is now complete and all nailed-down, but now > I realize my switches have no controllers "oops". > > I did ask at several train/hobby store locally and > they all laughed at me (last time I do that). > > Before I buy the switch controllers at one of the > favorite s-guage retailers ... > ... is there any controller that I can get from Radio > Shack or someplace like that. > > My track & trains are all original American Flyer, but > my transformers and control panel are all "Rube > Goldberg". > > Rick > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22915	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: Franklin smoke units

<<<I've got a Franklin with a dying smoke unit. Can anyone offer advice on rebuilding one of these? It has the crimped on fiber board, so it is not so easy like the regular units. Also, how many turns of nichrome wire should I use? >>> Steve--- We have replacement smoke elements,already mounted on a disk-insert, for those small smoke units. You just file the lip of the old disc until it will pull out. Insert the new element, with a little wick material around it, and seal it with epoxy. It's actually an easier and quicker repair than a normal smoke unit. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22916	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: remote controller for 720 switch

While I do not know the part number there is A switch that they have that sits in A neutral position...you can move it one way or the other for momentary contact and it snaps back to neutral...Go in the store and ask...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Alexander" <alexander_rick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] remote controller for 720 switch > My layout is now complete and all nailed-down, but now > I realize my switches have no controllers "oops". > > I did ask at several train/hobby store locally and > they all laughed at me (last time I do that). > > Before I buy the switch controllers at one of the > favorite s-guage retailers ... > ... is there any controller that I can get from Radio > Shack or someplace like that. > > My track & trains are all original American Flyer, but > my transformers and control panel are all "Rube > Goldberg". > > Rick > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22917	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: SWITCHES

<A HREF="https://gear.echoms.com/clients/miniatronics/shop_itemdetail.php?id=995144625">Miniatronics</A> Try this link for their featured item SPDT center off momentary on in both directions. Springs back to center off. Mike S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22918	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Re: remote controller for 720 switch

<A HREF="https://gear.echoms.com/clients/miniatronics/shop_itemdetail.php?id=995144625">Miniatronics</A> This may be a better link. Just click it on for the switches that will work for what you want, Mike S/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22919	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/8/2003
Subject: Log loader parts 787

Howdy gents...from the Great White North ..I'm still looking for anyone who has a 787 Log loader in parts ...I need a log lifter tray...So if you have one and want to sell parts ...Please let me know ....Thanx ....."eh"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22920	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Layouts

Yo: I have 2 layouts, one summer (OK this is O-gauge) and one fall (S-gauge). The fall one includes Halloween ornaments, like buildings with ghost and witches. I do not change it. At Christmas time I have a layout under my tree, this is winter with snow covered building and Santa. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: John Brockmann <hcopter51@...> [mailto:hcopter51@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Layouts I would like to know if the list members change their layouts with the seasons. Anyone keep the same layout all year? What say ye? John B. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22921	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Layouts

Dear John, If you look the the three train set pages in our 2003 catalog, you will see summer, fall and winter layout. Don Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom) wrote: >Yo: > >I have 2 layouts, one summer (OK this is O-gauge) and one fall (S-gauge). >The fall one includes Halloween ornaments, like buildings with ghost and >witches. I do not change it. > >At Christmas time I have a layout under my tree, this is winter with snow >covered building and Santa. > >Tommy > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Brockmann <hcopter51@...> [mailto:hcopter51@...] >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:58 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Layouts > > >I would like to know if the list members change their layouts with >the seasons. Anyone keep the same layout all year? What say ye? John >B. > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22922	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Scale / S Gauge / 3/16" / 1/64 Contest Dioramas

WOW!!! This is a great tip! BTW I also noticed that ConCor has the "Cambria Series" on sale as well. If any of you attended the 1995 NMRA National Convention in Atlanta you may remember my HO contest diorama, "J.W. Wenrich's Manufactory" ( http://drbens.com/dioramas.htm ). The Cambria City Iron Works from ConCor is the very same Pola Galvanizing Works that I used as the basis for this diorama. Now that I have committed to transition my contest models to S Scale / S Gauge / 3/16" / 1/64 (I never had this issue in HO modeling), a very close inspection of my finished diorama resulted in my assessment that I would only need to change the front and side doors, the track, the car (abandoned) & the people to "this scale" and I will have an S Scale / S Gauge / 3/16" / 1/64 (sorry, I do this to be PC ... I don't want any hate mail) diorama. This might be a fun article to write up. Any suggestions as where to consider submitting a "Retrofit" article? Ben One of the Golden Oldies of large-in-HO-usable-in-S structures, the "Weekly Herald", is on sale in the Con-Cors winter catalog, half price, $7.99, 02-9038. I think that every S scale layout is required to have one of these (or the similar Superior Bakery, also on sale). see photos and other sale items at http://www.all-railroads.com/stux/hostrux.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22923	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Blatant Ad

Please take a peek at my new web site at www.bestofshowmodelbuilders.com. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22924	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: "S" Videos

Just a note to both of the gangs out there that there are only 3 copies of "S-gauge Model Railroading" Vol.VI left in stock. We still have a few copies of Vol.'s I through V as well. Regards to all.....Steve & Sam....S-'n-S Trains....Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22925	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Track Cleaner Cars

With SHS, Aztec, etc. selling S track cleaners; how about coming up with a Speno or other maintenance car body to put these in. Self propelled would also be nice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22926	From: AF336	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Santa FE LTI 8551 for sale

Hi, attempting to raise revenue for a purchase. I have an 8551 Santa Fe GP20 for sale. Was supposed to be NIB when I bought it, but it does show slight signs of being run if you look at the wheels. Since it was looked like it was run I sat it on a test track and went 5 min in rev and 5 min in fwd with no load at a slow speed just to check it out and make sure the electronic rev. worked and etc.... It has been in the box ever since..... The unit is real clean, no dust, and has the original box which is about a 9.5. You can tell it has been opened, but nothing is torn or worn on the box. There are two pin head size chips off the paint on the rear edge of the right front step. Not really noticable when it is on track. I can send pictures if you like. Please contact me off list. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22927	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Engine Oil

Probably asked this before.... What kind of oil should be used with steam/diesel locos where it says to oil on the bottom of the engines? Thanks in advance,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22928	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: 332AC with slipping drivers fixed!

The 332AC that I mentioned earlier with the rear drivers slipping on the axle, and hence would not move, is now running again! I gave up on gluing the rear drivers in place, and swapped them with the front drivers. I haven't run it extensively yet, but the new rear drivers fit a lot tighter, and although I lined up the drivers by sight, it does not wobble down the track like some other repaired steam locos I've worked on. Certainly all the advice everyone gave me helped me learn a lot about repairing it. Thanks again to everyone who helped. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22929	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Gilbert Catalog Online Project Update

There are currently a total of 15 Gilbert AF catalogs online in high resolution for browsing and downloading. I still need scans for the years 1946, 1947, 1948 and 1966. If you have any of these catalogs and would like to help out, I am sure that everyone would appreciate it. Again the address for the catlaogs is.... http://www.myflyertrains.org Thanks again, Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22930	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Engine Oil

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Brockmann <hcopter51@a...>" <hcopter51@a...> wrote: > Probably asked this before.... What kind of oil should be used with > steam/diesel locos where it says to oil on the bottom of the engines? > Thanks in advance,John B. I use Mobil 1 synthetic automotive oil (5W30 weight, I think). It has worked well and one $4 quart will last you 300 years.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22931	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Catalog Online Project Update

Hi Chuck: Tx for the memories. It turns out that my first set was from 1948, the 312 with the log loader. The 1949 set had the 312AC; I hope you find the 1948 so I can get even a little more nostalgic! Regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Chuck Harrington wrote: >There are currently a total of 15 Gilbert AF catalogs online in high >resolution for browsing and downloading. > >I still need scans for the years 1946, 1947, 1948 and 1966. If you have >any of these catalogs and >would like to help out, I am sure that everyone would appreciate it. > >Again the address for the catlaogs is.... > >http://www.myflyertrains.org > >Thanks again, Chuck > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22932	From: John G	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Engine Oil

"John Brockmann wrote: What kind of oil should be used with steam/diesel locos where it says to oil on the bottom of the engines? Check out the following web page for several articles on lubrication or getting old engines to run. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22933	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: Re: Engine Oil

Word of caution - be careful when using synthetic lubricants around plastics and varnishes made prior to the 90's. Synthetic's will attack these materials in adverse ways especially the varnishes used in motor windings. The breakdown will not occur right away but will eventually destroy this material. Synthetic's are great on the new products made today. Lou --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs <sgriggs@u...>" <sgriggs@u...> wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Brockmann <hcopter51@a...>" > <hcopter51@a...> wrote: > > Probably asked this before.... What kind of oil should be used with > > steam/diesel locos where it says to oil on the bottom of the > engines? > > Thanks in advance,John B. > > I use Mobil 1 synthetic automotive oil (5W30 weight, I think). It > has worked well and one $4 quart will last you 300 years.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22934	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2003
Subject: 720 Switch Controllers

I think the SHS switch controllers will work on AF 720s. They sure look similar to the AF controllers. Don Thompson will know for sure. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22935	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re: 720 Switch Controllers

Dear Chris, We designed these to work with AF too. They are available direct or from our Hobby Shop network. I know that Doug Peck stocks them Don nyc17819@... wrote: >I think the SHS switch controllers will work on AF 720s. They sure look >similar to the AF controllers. Don Thompson will know for sure. > >Chris Harding > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22936	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re: Engine Oil

When I was in the machine shop. More than 40 years. You NEVER used motor oil on Machinery. The detergent in it would screw things up. Engine oil is for engines that get hot and have carbon build ups and other gunk. Machines including your trains should have a NON Detergent oil used on them. Thank you Larry Jackman "John G " wrote: > > "John Brockmann wrote: > What kind of oil should be used with steam/diesel locos where it > says to oil on the bottom of the engines? > > Check out the following web page for several articles on lubrication > or getting old engines to run. > > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22937	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re: Santa FE LTI 8551 for sale (pictures online)

For everyone who whated to see pictures check this link: http://www.perryisp.net/~mkiner/8551/8551.htm Let me know if there are problems. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22938	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re: Please get back to trains...

Paul York wrote: I don't always have enough time tom read all of the posts from both lists and I am glad that several of you have come forward to help me 'stand behind the curtain'. Dear Paul: You need to learn the term "PNAMBEC". It stands for "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain". (This line was, of course, uttered by the Great and Powerful Wizard of Oz.) Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22939	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: (no subject)

A Mt. St. Helens hopper?!?! Can someone please tell me more? Thorin Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:26:02 EST From: marpack57@... Subject: looking Would like to purchase the Mt. St. Helens hopper put out many years ago. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22940	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re:

I think Dan Olsen put it out...I got mine in 1985 at the TCA convention....He had glued Ash to the coal pile and painted the hopper..( the same type as the UP ) with special lettering, etc...Is A real nice job...Ron Leventon might know where one is, as he bought all of Olsen's stuff...I have one but would like another...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: <marpack57@...>; "'robert allen conner'" <rcon7@...> Cc: "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] > A Mt. St. Helens hopper?!?! > > Can someone please tell me more? > > Thorin > > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:26:02 EST > From: marpack57@... > Subject: looking > > Would like to purchase the Mt. St. Helens hopper put out many years ago. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22941	From: eric reis	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re:

Mt St Helens blew in 1980. Not long after that Dan Olson in Seattle put out a "Mt St Helens hopper" There were grey painted or maybe unpainted 3 bay flyer hoppers he had from the flyer closeout sale days. He had a black and red image of the mountain blowing on the side with the date of eruption and included a medicine type pill bottle full of actual ash with them. I have seen the Flyer S and Lionel O varities he still has. I don't know how many he made. I do know there were a number of "seconds" (10 or so) that had broken steps and such that made their way to a now deceased friend of mine which he assembled and sold. I think Dan sold these for something in the $18-$25 range in the 80's. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:18:25 -0600 "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > A Mt. St. Helens hopper?!?! > > Can someone please tell me more? > > Thorin > > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:26:02 EST > From: marpack57@... > Subject: looking > > Would like to purchase the Mt. St. Helens > hopper put out many years ago. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and > accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22942	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Re: remote controller for 720 switch

Our switch controllers will work with AF 720A switches as they are center off toggle just like AF. I think they are $9.95. Also, we have ribbon wire extensions that plug into the controller. The controller has two plugs so you can use one for a crossover (2 rights or 2 lefts) Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. robert allen conner wrote: >While I do not know the part number there is A switch that they have that >sits in A neutral position...you can move it one way or the other for >momentary contact and it snaps back to neutral...Go in the store and >ask...Bob >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Alexander" <alexander_rick@...> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:58 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] remote controller for 720 switch > > > > >>My layout is now complete and all nailed-down, but now >>I realize my switches have no controllers "oops". >> >>I did ask at several train/hobby store locally and >>they all laughed at me (last time I do that). >> >>Before I buy the switch controllers at one of the >>favorite s-guage retailers ... >>... is there any controller that I can get from Radio >>Shack or someplace like that. >> >>My track & trains are all original American Flyer, but >>my transformers and control panel are all "Rube >>Goldberg". >> >>Rick >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >>http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >> >> >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22943	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: RUBBER REVITALISER

Would there be a need for rubber revitaliser in the 8oz &16oz size? I have not figured the cost as yet. I would like to see if there would be an interest for it. I also need to see how much is needed for coverage. Mike S. PS: I know the shipping would be in the $5.00 range [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22944	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 12, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22945	From: tom_jarcho	Date: 1/10/2003
Subject: phone line down

My modem line is temporarily down. if you need to communicate with me, please use the phone. i can't get to my email for a few days. Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22946	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: NYC Passenger Set

After waiting to long and not able to get this set for Christmas, I started searching for it last week. Tried every body but no luck. I gave Charlie Ro a call and the order taker showed one in stock but could not confirm it was there. Lo and behold I got a email from fedex that a package was coming from Charlie Ro on 1/10/03. Fedex truck arrived at noon with my set. I have to say this is one great looking set with a lot of fine detail. I think this set rates up there with the Northern Pacific PA set. I now have 3 sets of PA's, the Erie ABA, B&O AA and now the NYC AA. Now I have to get the 2 add on cars and I am sure Lionel will come out with a "B" unit soon. I look forward to what Lionel will produce next catalog which should be out in the next 2-3 weeks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22947	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: new vehicles II

Hi All, I made a raid of another Wal-Mart yesterday. I came up with another Suburban and 1953 Bel Air. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/New_Cars.jpg So, into the stripper (auto lacquer thinner) they went. The Suburban was much more cooperative. I had it clean in about 15 minutes. The Bel Air took an overnight soak and a brass wire brush scrub to clean it up. I will post photos when they get repainted and complete. I will probably put MV lenses in for headlights. Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22948	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: NYC Two Car Add-On Set

Does anyone know where I can purchased this add-on set.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22949	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: To the Calif. list members....

Anyone going to the GATS in Santa Barbara this weekend?? I'll be there on Sat. Headin' out shortly,...two hour drive for me. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22950	From: eddiee456	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: I'm new to the list

Hello, I'm new to the list. My name is Ed Vogler, I'm a 37 year old police Lieutenant from a small town in WV (thecityofglendalewv.com). Like so many of you I recall the memories when I was small and playing with my trains at christmas. After wondering what ever happened to that train set I was able to locate it last year right after christmas, my mom had it tucked away in the back of her closet. Well, it took a few days but I was able to get it running.Thanks to RFG, and portlines that original 303 steam engine runs and choo's and blows cotton balls out of the smoke stack. In the last 385 days I've obtained a couple more steam engines some rolling stock and a few other accessories. I have a wish list of some other things I need (want). After 20 years I put up a christmas layout, I live in an apt. so I only had enough room for a small 4x8, One day when I get a basement ( with a house attached of course) I have plans for a 8x12 layout. I'm currently a member of the NASG and I subscribe to S-guagian and CTT. I have looked over most of your postings over the last couple of years, to get up to your speed, and I have got quite a few very good ideas from you guys. That's me and I hope to get to know you. Keepem running. Ed

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22951	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Re: I'm new to the list

Ed, Welcome to the group! Indeed you will find a wealth of information here, both in the archives and by simply asking a question. There are many web sites as well that you may want to explore. A great place to start is Paul Yorke's FAQ page here: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm Steve Blancard "eddiee456 " wrote: > Hello, > I'm new to the list. My name is Ed Vogler, I'm a 37 year old police > Lieutenant from a small town in WV (thecityofglendalewv.com). Like so > many of you I recall the memories when I was small and playing with > my trains at christmas. After wondering what ever happened to that > train set I was able to locate it last year right after christmas, my > mom had it tucked away in the back of her closet. Well, it took a few > days but I was able to get it running.Thanks to RFG, and portlines > that original 303 steam engine runs and choo's and blows cotton balls > out of the smoke stack. > In the last 385 days I've obtained a couple more steam engines > some rolling stock and a few other accessories. I have a wish list of > some other things I need (want). After 20 years I put up a christmas > layout, I live in an apt. so I only had enough room for a small 4x8, > One day when I get a basement ( with a house attached of course) I > have plans for a 8x12 layout. > I'm currently a member of the NASG and I subscribe to S-guagian > and CTT. I have looked over most of your postings over the last > couple of years, to get up to your speed, and I have got quite a few > very good ideas from you guys. > That's me and I hope to get to know you. > Keepem running. > Ed > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22952	From: plotnick	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Mt. St. Helens Car

As a geologist, I've wanted one of these for years. John Heck had one at the Fall S-fest, but it was purchased before I arrived. So- I will get in line for any that show up! -Roy Plotnick Roy E. Plotnick Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, Il .60607 phone: 312-996-2111 630-252-6377(May-August) e-mail: plotnick@... homepage: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/people/faculty/plotnick.html "Those who do not know the literature are condemned to repeat it."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22953	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Club insurance ?

Guys, My club, the Washington & Old Dominion division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers has recently been discussing the need for club liability insurance. This would be to protect us against lawsuits in case someone were to be injured by our modular layout set up at a show. For example, if while demonstrating the rocket launcher car, a kid gets hit in the eye by the rocket. Or if while kids were to be shocked by a shorted operating button, or if a kid were to fall off a step the club built to facilitate viewing. These examples may seem far-fetched, but in this lawsuite crazy society, it is unfortunately a valid concern. Our club has been discussing whether we should incorporate as a non-profit club in order to obtain liability insurance. None of us wants to loose everything because of a minor accident and an aggressive lawyer. I would appreciate hearing how other clubs handle this issue. Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22954	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: first decal plea of the year

Hi All, Please look though your dry transfers. I am in need of up to 3 sets of CDS S-359 for B&O M-53 40' Wagon Top Box - as delivered. I tried to get this set last year, but they weren't available. Does anyone have any extra sets? Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22955	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Cow on track

Hi Folks, I have a cow on the track with a loose wire and I am not sure where it goes. It is a black wire with one end attached to the #3 terminal. Where does the other end attach? Thanks in advance for the help,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22956	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Re: Cow on track

The #3 post has a black wire that goes to the switch contact of the cows travel mechanisem. The #3 post also has one end of the resistor connected to it and the center winding of the coil. The other switch arm contact goes to other end of the resistor and post #1 Post # 2 goes to the end winding of the coil Post # 4 goes to the other end of the coil. Carl -----Original Message----- From: John Brockmann <hcopter51@...> [mailto:hcopter51@...] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Cow on track Hi Folks, I have a cow on the track with a loose wire and I am not sure where it goes. It is a black wire with one end attached to the #3 terminal. Where does the other end attach? Thanks in advance for the help,John B. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22957	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Re: Club insurance ?

Dear Steve, Once this subject is brought up., it is best to disband the club. Now that you are all aware of the legal liabilities to each individual who is associated with your club you will have to purchase liability insurance. When you discover how much this will cost (if you find a company willing to write a policy) to protect each and every member from possible law suits, and then try to collect the premiums from your members you will realize what a huge problem you now have on your hands. We lost a member several years (or was it a decade ago) over this very subject. He had an article about a mid west modular club that was sued by a train show spectator that somehow was injured during the show. Actually, the club did not get sued, but each member did. I am not sure of the outcome, but we ended up losing a member. I hope I may be wrong about the insurance, and let me know if you foresee a different outcome. Don Steve Blancard wrote: >Guys, > >My club, the Washington & Old Dominion division of the Atlantic Coast S >Gaugers has recently been discussing the need for club liability >insurance. This would be to protect us against lawsuits in case someone >were to be injured by our modular layout set up at a show. For example, >if while demonstrating the rocket launcher car, a kid gets hit in the >eye by the rocket. Or if while kids were to be shocked by a shorted >operating button, or if a kid were to fall off a step the club built to >facilitate viewing. These examples may seem far-fetched, but in this >lawsuite crazy society, it is unfortunately a valid concern. > >Our club has been discussing whether we should incorporate as a >non-profit club in order to obtain liability insurance. None of us >wants to loose everything because of a minor accident and an aggressive >lawyer. > >I would appreciate hearing how other clubs handle this issue. > >Steve Blancard > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22958	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Re: I'm new to the list

Welcome to the group...Be sure to check up on the chat line sunday at 8:00 http://S-Scale.org/forum/.Great bunch of guys playing with trains...where is Glendale...I originally came from Charleston...Went to Florida in 62 on vacation....still here...Visit Chs A couple times A year to visit relatives...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <ecv3@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I'm new to the list > Hello, > I'm new to the list. My name is Ed Vogler, I'm a 37 year old police > Lieutenant from a small town in WV (thecityofglendalewv.com). Like so > many of you I recall the memories when I was small and playing with > my trains at christmas. After wondering what ever happened to that > train set I was able to locate it last year right after christmas, my > mom had it tucked away in the back of her closet. Well, it took a few > days but I was able to get it running.Thanks to RFG, and portlines > that original 303 steam engine runs and choo's and blows cotton balls > out of the smoke stack. > In the last 385 days I've obtained a couple more steam engines > some rolling stock and a few other accessories. I have a wish list of > some other things I need (want). After 20 years I put up a christmas > layout, I live in an apt. so I only had enough room for a small 4x8, > One day when I get a basement ( with a house attached of course) I > have plans for a 8x12 layout. > I'm currently a member of the NASG and I subscribe to S-guagian > and CTT. I have looked over most of your postings over the last > couple of years, to get up to your speed, and I have got quite a few > very good ideas from you guys. > That's me and I hope to get to know you. > Keepem running. > Ed > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22959	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: Re: I'm new to the list

Great Ed!! Glad to see you get the ol' trains running!! And welcome aboard!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22960	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/11/2003
Subject: newbie

Gentlemen, finally got around to joining,have been following for quite a while.got my original AF set Christmas '49 the 314AW set.got back into flyer in mid '70s after a brief fling with HO.am building 9'X16' AF/ hirail layout{my 4th or 5th hard to keep track} layout is DC with flyer.AM,and SHS equipment.hope i can contribute something to the group. keep on trainin' Jerry Memmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22961	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: club insurance

STEVE--- I think most clubs come around to this issue, once they start displaying and operating a layout at public shows. Our club----the Bristol S-Gaugers---- operated for years without insurance, but we were forced into it when we began sponsoring our own public show. The school facility that we used required us to carry a $1 million policy. We ended up purcasing a policy which covered us at up to four public locations (shows) per year. We have since changed to a different policy which places no limit on how many times we display and operate. I THINK our cost for this policy is around $1000 per year. I found Don's response very interesting, becauase we have had "discussions" (read that, "squabbles") at club meetings, even within the past year, about the need for us to maintain this policy now that we no longer sponsor our own show. Not to everyone's satisfaction, but we ultimately voted to maintain it, just because of the "far-fetched" examples which Steve notes. Arguments were made at our meetings that because the club is incorporated, members won't get sued....only the club (which has few assets). Others argued (supported by a legal opinion) that incorporation does not prevent lawsuits to members. It may protect the members from ultimately being held financially liable, BUT all can still get sued, and it will cost you $$$$ to defend yourself in court. With a proper liability policy for the club, the insurance company will cover the cost of that defense....not the individuals! That's an important consideration. In my mind, and most of our membership agreed, it is a well-spent $1000 per year. The issue of incorporation is a related one. We hired a lawyer to do all our paperwork related to club incorporation. I don't recall the cost, but it wasn't huge, and it was a one-time cost. Good luck with your own deliberations! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted. ***********ORIGINAL MESSAGES************* <<< Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:22:02 -0500 From: Steve Blancard <splitdorf@...> Subject: Club insurance ? Guys, My club, the Washington & Old Dominion division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers has recently been discussing the need for club liability insurance. This would be to protect us against lawsuits in case someone were to be injured by our modular layout set up at a show. For example, if while demonstrating the rocket launcher car, a kid gets hit in the eye by the rocket. Or if while kids were to be shocked by a shorted operating button, or if a kid were to fall off a step the club built to facilitate viewing. These examples may seem far-fetched, but in this lawsuite crazy society, it is unfortunately a valid concern. Our club has been discussing whether we should incorporate as a non-profit club in order to obtain liability insurance. None of us wants to loose everything because of a minor accident and an aggressive lawyer. I would appreciate hearing how other clubs handle this issue. Steve Blancard ****************************************************************** From: Don Thompson <robin@...> Subject: Re: Club insurance ? Dear Steve, Once this subject is brought up., it is best to disband the club. Now that you are all aware of the legal liabilities to each individual who is associated with your club you will have to purchase liability insurance. When you discover how much this will cost (if you find a company willing to write a policy) to protect each and every member from possible law suits, and then try to collect the premiums from your members you will realize what a huge problem you now have on your hands. We lost a member several years (or was it a decade ago) over this very subject. He had an article about a mid west modular club that was sued by a train show spectator that somehow was injured during the show. Actually, the club did not get sued, but each member did. I am not sure of the outcome, but we ended up losing a member. I hope I may be wrong about the insurance, and let me know if you foresee a different outcome. Don >>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22962	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1714

Don is right. On top of that, having insurance may invite a lawsuit! Having gone around for years on this issue both on the board and as president of a national organization I would suggest limiting liability by lowering the table to child viewing height without the need for risers and keeping high voltages away from the perimeter of the layout. Any member worried about personal liability should get his own policy. Time spent discussing the issues of liability and non-profit incorporation will destroy a club. Nick Colleran At 01:26 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:22:00 -0500 > From: Don Thompson <robin@...> >Subject: Re: Club insurance ? > >Dear Steve, > Once this subject is brought up., it is best to disband the club. > Now that you are all aware of the legal liabilities to each individual >who is associated with your club you will have to purchase liability >insurance. When you discover how much this will cost (if you find a >company willing to write a policy) to protect each and every member from >possible law suits, and then try to collect the premiums from your >members you will realize what a huge problem you now have on your hands. > We lost a member several years (or was it a decade ago) over this very >subject. He had an article about a mid west modular club that was sued >by a train show spectator that somehow was injured during the show. > Actually, the club did not get sued, but each member did. I am not >sure of the outcome, but we ended up losing a member. I hope I may be >wrong about the insurance, and let me know if you foresee a different >outcome. >Don > >Steve Blancard wrote: > > >Guys, > > > >My club, the Washington & Old Dominion division of the Atlantic Coast S > >Gaugers has recently been discussing the need for club liability > >insurance. This would be to protect us against lawsuits in case someone > >were to be injured by our modular layout set up at a show. For example, > >if while demonstrating the rocket launcher car, a kid gets hit in the > >eye by the rocket. Or if while kids were to be shocked by a shorted > >operating button, or if a kid were to fall off a step the club built to > >facilitate viewing. These examples may seem far-fetched, but in this > >lawsuite crazy society, it is unfortunately a valid concern. > > > >Our club has been discussing whether we should incorporate as a > >non-profit club in order to obtain liability insurance. None of us > >wants to loose everything because of a minor accident and an aggressive > >lawyer. > > > >I would appreciate hearing how other clubs handle this issue. > > > >Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22963	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1714

If you are talking about Lionel S Gauge, their 2 car passenger set was at Chesterfield Hobbies in Midlothian, VA as of yesterday 1/11. They have a web site with contact info. At 01:26 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:33:41 -0000 > From: "jackotrains <joppdp@...>" <joppdp@...> >Subject: NYC Two Car Add-On Set > >Does anyone know where I can purchased this add-on set.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22964	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: club insurance

Good points Don, While it MAY be true that individual members won't get sued, the Directors, or officers can be held liable, so it is important to get "directors insurance" which the club insurer can provide, or many homeowners policy can have a rider added. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22965	From: David	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1714

As long as your incorporated, individual members are protected. This leaves only the question of Dues to cover insurance, and other expenses. Isn't it nice how the lawyers and jerks of the world have things so twisted and messed up?? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Nick and Becky Colleran <colleran@r...> wrote: > Don is right. On top of that, having insurance may invite a lawsuit! > Having gone around for years on this issue both on the board and > as president of a national organization I would suggest limiting > liability by lowering the table to child viewing height without the > need for risers and keeping high voltages away from the perimeter > of the layout. Any member worried about personal liability should > get his own policy. Time spent discussing the issues of liability and > non-profit incorporation will destroy a club. > > Nick Colleran > > At 01:26 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >_____________________________________________________________________ ___ > > > >Message: 11 > > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:22:00 -0500 > > From: Don Thompson <robin@s...> > >Subject: Re: Club insurance ? > > > >Dear Steve, > > Once this subject is brought up., it is best to disband the club. > > Now that you are all aware of the legal liabilities to each individual > >who is associated with your club you will have to purchase liability > >insurance. When you discover how much this will cost (if you find a > >company willing to write a policy) to protect each and every member from > >possible law suits, and then try to collect the premiums from your > >members you will realize what a huge problem you now have on your hands. > > We lost a member several years (or was it a decade ago) over this very > >subject. He had an article about a mid west modular club that was sued > >by a train show spectator that somehow was injured during the show. > > Actually, the club did not get sued, but each member did. I am not > >sure of the outcome, but we ended up losing a member. I hope I may be > >wrong about the insurance, and let me know if you foresee a different > >outcome. > >Don > > > >Steve Blancard wrote: > > > > >Guys, > > > > > >My club, the Washington & Old Dominion division of the Atlantic Coast S > > >Gaugers has recently been discussing the need for club liability > > >insurance. This would be to protect us against lawsuits in case someone > > >were to be injured by our modular layout set up at a show. For example, > > >if while demonstrating the rocket launcher car, a kid gets hit in the > > >eye by the rocket. Or if while kids were to be shocked by a shorted > > >operating button, or if a kid were to fall off a step the club built to > > >facilitate viewing. These examples may seem far-fetched, but in this > > >lawsuite crazy society, it is unfortunately a valid concern. > > > > > >Our club has been discussing whether we should incorporate as a > > >non-profit club in order to obtain liability insurance. None of us > > >wants to loose everything because of a minor accident and an aggressive > > >lawyer. > > > > > >I would appreciate hearing how other clubs handle this issue. > > > > > >Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22966	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: bolsters

Train Gang, I would like to convert some Flyer freight cars to SHS trucks. I've been told I'll need some bolsters to do this. I know some use to be available from Downs or Ace, but I can't find them on the S sites. Does anyone know where to find some bolsters? Thanks, Tom S in Dresden ME [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22967	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Converting with SHS trucks....

***(((I would like to convert some Flyer freight cars to SHS trucks. I've been told I'll need some bolsters to do this.)))*** Tom, I put SHS trucks and couplers on a AF 942 Seaboard boxcar,....using just a few small washers as spacers. Also used small machine screws and "aircraft" (that what ya call 'em?) locking nuts. Using the existing hole did make for CLOSE coupling however!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22968	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Website

A couple weeks ago someone posted pictures of their layout and their album also contained several other pictures - a Duluth & Missabe steam engine, an auto carrier w/ '60s vintage Lincolns and T Birds, and more. I inadvertently deleted the post. Could the owner please re-post or send it to me directly. Thanks Gregg Mummert gmummert@... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22969	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: 612 station w/crane

Hi group, I was wondering what vintage this station is with a red painted base? What would the paint scheme be for the crane, walls & trim, ramp and roof? Does anyone know where I might find a photo of this variation of a 612? Thanks in advance, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22970	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Mail Post & Track Trip built from Erector parts

Hi, I recently built a little mail post and track pickup out of Erector parts for my Flyer layout. Here is a link to see it and description: http://home.att.net/~timboy/Mail.html Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22971	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Any U.P. Passenger expertise?

I am modeling U.P. (AM's 80' streamliner/smoothside observation car) and would like to know what color lights were on the rear end of the U.P. closed end observation cars (the round type not the square backs)? 1. The top larger light.....did it have a white or red lens? 2. The side marker lights (blister shape)....where they red or white? 3. Lastly, what was the purpose of these lights especially if some of them were WHITE? P.S. My experience is more with the eastern rrs where the side markers were always red(in place of the normal end of train warning lights) and the top light was white(for lighting up the track for viewing at night?). I already purchased Tomar Industries S scale drumhead light (City of San Francisco) and it looks GREAT lighted with a grain of wheat bulb! Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22972	From: John Gibson	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: Club Insurance

For some reason, my reply did not post to the list - I probably screwed up :-) Here it is . . Greetings: This e-mail may open a can of worms but I think it is an important topic and relates to growing S. You might want to consider these two points: 1. The venues where your club shows its layout may require the club to have insurance -- even though these shows typically have some sort of blanket coverage. So you may have no choice in the matter. 2. The individual comfort level of your members may require the purchase of general liability insurance. Some people maybe very concerned about the risk to the public or other club members. By the way, my Garden Railway Club and Historical Foundation both incorporated and one of the reasons why was to get insurance. Here is where I get on my soapbox. The purchase of this insurance is expensive, too expensive -- the biggest part of the club's operating budget in many cases. What really frosts me is that I think the risk is very low - I have never heard of any lawsuit or claims arising out of injuries sustained by a person at a model railroad show. I have a proposal, not sure how feasible it is, but I would like to see if the NASG can arrange with an insurance carrier for a "group buy" to provide general liability insurance S clubs at reasonable rates. Just one person's thoughts . . . . John Gibson Rocklin, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22973	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: 612 station w/crane

That is the pre-war version. harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22974	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 12, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22975	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Re: Club Insurance

You know the AMA has some kind of insurance that is very low and covers all kind of accidents and flying sites, etc....an RC plane can do A lot of damage if not landed properly!!!!!...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <vito4cal@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Club Insurance > For some reason, my reply did not post to the list - I probably > screwed up :-) > > Here it is . . > > > > Greetings: > > This e-mail may open a can of worms but I think it is an important > topic and relates to growing S. > > You might want to consider these two points: > > 1. The venues where your club shows its layout may require the club > to have insurance -- even though these shows typically have some > sort of blanket coverage. So you may have no choice in the matter. > > 2. The individual comfort level of your members may require the > purchase of general liability insurance. Some people maybe very > concerned about the risk to the public or other club members. > > By the way, my Garden Railway Club and Historical Foundation both > incorporated and one of the reasons why was to get insurance. > > Here is where I get on my soapbox. The purchase of this insurance > is expensive, too expensive -- the biggest part of the club's > operating budget in many cases. What really frosts me is that I > think the risk is very low - I have never heard of any lawsuit or > claims arising out of injuries sustained by a person at a model > railroad show. > > I have a proposal, not sure how feasible it is, but I would like to > see if the NASG can arrange with an insurance carrier for a "group > buy" to provide general liability insurance S clubs at reasonable > rates. > > Just one person's thoughts . . . . > > John Gibson > Rocklin, CA > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22976	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: Chris & Beth Burger - "S" Ambassadors Par Excellence

I just returned home from the second day of the Louisville GATS (Great American Train Show). Flyer and other "S" items available seemed to be somewhat less than in previous years, nonetheless, there were items to be purchased if you really had to have them. There were a number of N, HO, O, and G layouts of various kinds. My favorite was Chris & Beth Burger's Winter/Christmas "S" layout. Show attendees voted the first day on their favorite layout, and the votes were later tallied. Chris and Beth reported their layout came in 2nd of all the layouts present! The "N" modular layout that took up a large portion of the display area which was made up of "N" Track modules from clubs from 6 states took 1st place. Chris & Beth's 2nd finish was very gratifying, however, AND, also helped cover some of their show expenses. Congratulations, Chris and Beth! Chris and Beth both worked very hard during the 2-day show. They talked to admirers, and answered hundreds of questions. Beth demonstrated her expertise at making excellent "S" scale trees from discarded artificial Christmas tree branches. Chris demonstrated how one could "manufacture" realistic rock formations from hydrocal, thinned acrylic paints, and rubber rock molds. In spite of their hard work, one could tell by their cheerful dedication, they were happy to be here spreading the advantages of "S". To Chris and Beth, both, I say - CHEERS, WELL DONE! Next year I'd like to be able to offer some assistance in helping them set up and take down their layout, as well as help them answer "S" questions. MAYBE!!?? Perhaps you might also want to congratulate Chris and Beth at Chris's "cbtrainnut..." eMail address! Take a look at: http://www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut/ It's hard work and dedication like this that helps keep "S" alive and well! Regards, Randy Griggs - Louisville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22977	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Randy, Thanks for the kind words! I'm reading this at 12:30 AM. We rolled in the door at 11:30. Needless to say, Beth helped me unload, and immediately ran upstairs for the bedroom. The U-Haul dealer we use is 2 streets away. When I returned to the house she was sound asleep. You're more than welcome to join us next year at the show or any show for that matter. It has been a wild ride this weekend. 14,000 people came through on Saturday and probably 2/3 to 3/4 of that came through on Sunday according to Moe Gohegan from GATS. I will also say that anyone on the list is welcome to join if we happen to show up in your town. Our next shows are in Columbus Ohio and Dayton. After that, I think we are going to visit Lance down in the Tennessee hills and Nashville. Might take my guitar with me too. Thanks again Randy! Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22978	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: RUBBER ROADBED

Hi, Does anyone have a couple of really old dried up roadbed that they are about to throw out? If so can you mail it to me. I will pay the postage. Mike S. PS: Please contact me off list whole pieces would be great [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22979	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: Thanks

Many thanks to Carl,Al,Dick,Paul,and all those who helped me with my Cow on track project. Once again, the members have solved my problem for me. Thanks to the group I now have the cow on track and working as it should. All the pictures and advise proved invaluable. Hats off to the S-List,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22980	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: LTI Diesels on DC.

So what about running the AC diesels from Flyonel on DC. I tried a full wave bridge rectifier and a filter and it seems to be happy and runs about the same speed if you apply 8v dc or 8v ac and the reverse unit functions. Anyone ever done this? Is it "officially" ok with Lionel? Thanks, Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22981	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: Re: LTI Diesels on DC.

I guess it could get a little goofy as the reverse unit cycles each time you remove the voltage to the track just like AC. So it could get just a little wierd if you don't bypass the reverse unit. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] LTI Diesels on DC. > So what about running the AC diesels from Flyonel on DC. I tried a full wave > bridge rectifier and a filter and it seems to be happy and runs about the > same speed if you apply 8v dc or 8v ac and the reverse unit functions. > > Anyone ever done this? > Is it "officially" ok with Lionel? > > Thanks, > > Mark > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22982	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: Ebay description LOL!

I saw this description on Ebay for this car and I hope the kid appreciates the lost of this car in the family estate! LOL! Car went for about $100. So how AF cars must he sell to pay for the needed new transaction below! 24413 American Flyer ART Co. Refer 57-60 Nice condition. Decals are in really nice shape Doors work well. Standard Couplers. This is a piece from my personal Collection. I am only selling it as I must pay college tuition for my daughter. A nice piece for your collection. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22983	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: Re: LTI Diesels on DC.

Not really "goofy". It merely sequence reverses just like it was on AC. Mark Kiner wrote: > > I guess it could get a little goofy as the reverse unit cycles each time you > remove the voltage to the track just like AC. So it could get just a little > wierd if you don't bypass the reverse unit. > > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:35 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] LTI Diesels on DC. > > > So what about running the AC diesels from Flyonel on DC. I tried a full > wave > > bridge rectifier and a filter and it seems to be happy and runs about the > > same speed if you apply 8v dc or 8v ac and the reverse unit functions. > > > > Anyone ever done this? > > Is it "officially" ok with Lionel? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22984	From: AF336	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: Re: LTI Diesels on DC.

Well maybe I should define "goofy" (kind of has a Clinton flair doesn't it?) Since it is common practice to reverse polarity to go in reverse, and since it is not most likely to go to zero voltage when the polarity reverse occurs. The reverse unit will cycle and now it will sit. Are DC people used to this happening? Now when you reverse polarity again, the engine will in fact reverse because the reverse unit has cycled again, but other trains on the same loop that are "conventional" DC without a reverse will go in the opposite direction, as you are back to your original polarity and the LTI has switched directions and the other DC units would not. Admittedly only a problem with multiple trains. Now this is probably not "goofy" it is perfectly logical, but it is contrary to what I would call "normal" DC operation. Now I didn't try it, but I assume the reverse lock would make it work like a conventional DC system. Guess I will try that when I get home just for curiosity sake. Correct me if I am wrong..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Smith" <cesmith@...> To: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LTI Diesels on DC. > Not really "goofy". It merely sequence reverses just like it was on AC. > > Mark Kiner wrote: > > > > I guess it could get a little goofy as the reverse unit cycles each time you > > remove the voltage to the track just like AC. So it could get just a little > > wierd if you don't bypass the reverse unit. > > > > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:35 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] LTI Diesels on DC. > > > > > So what about running the AC diesels from Flyonel on DC. I tried a full > > wave > > > bridge rectifier and a filter and it seems to be happy and runs about the > > > same speed if you apply 8v dc or 8v ac and the reverse unit functions. > > > > > > Anyone ever done this? > > > Is it "officially" ok with Lionel? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22985	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2003
Subject: SMOKE UNIT CLEANING FAQ's

Can someone send me the FAQ's link to cleaning & maint on a smoke unit. I saw it a few days ago, Mike S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22986	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: SMOKE UNIT CLEANING FAQ's

Here are a couple of Smokin links... http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/smoke.htm http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/more_smoke.html Carl -----Original Message----- From: anormal1@... [mailto:anormal1@...] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:01 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] SMOKE UNIT CLEANING FAQ's Can someone send me the FAQ's link to cleaning & maint on a smoke unit. I saw it a few days ago, Mike S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22987	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Another mis-lead Ebay item

The link to this car is below and I feel that my email to him is a fair statement. I wonder what nasty response I will get. I am just trying to protect someone from buying something not fully represented as that item number of AF. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <mlmarmer@...> To: <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: Question for seller -- Item #3106068528 > Dear gto74, > > You have a very nice looking USM Boxcar, which you state is AF's item number 25056. However, you need to let all know that it is missing the Rocket Launher flat car that goes with it, plus the original rocket, that is hard to find. That is the reason for the metal plug wires from that car, that attaches to the Flat car. Then the rocket launcher will get electricity from the track, for firing the rocket. Plus the cans for the box car, button and track trip is not mentioned if you have those pieces. > > The flat car and rocket has a great effect of the value for the complete item number of 25056 and I would hate to see someone bidding for this car base on the values in Greenberg and TM, and not know about the above. He or she will not be very happy, with all that money they spent on for a partial piece of AF, should he of she win and not know about the flat car with original rocket. > > I hope you will mention this on your bid that the flat car, complete, is missing. > > Thank you, > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > > I > -------------------- > > > Question from: acadia100 > Title of item: American Flyer 25056 USM Boxcar (Exc Plus) > Seller: gto74 > Starts: Jan-07-03 19:00:00 PST > Ends: Jan-17-03 19:00:00 PST > Price: Currently $406.00 > To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3106068528 > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22988	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Kitbashing with aluminium

- Greeting`S' - About a week ago Jeff Tangeman wrote of finding aluminium channel having an AF framewidth. Sounds good. There are so many forms of that metal available today. The observation is made that some forms are so soft as to be gummy and others are fairly hard. I find that if I can file the metal without hopelessly clogging the file then it is fairly hard. If in drilling one gets wobbly chunks and gouges along the wall of the hole, it is soft. The hard stuff is good for moderate usage, heavy usage if kept lubricated. After all, many auto engine bearing have aluminium as a significant part of the composition and there are aluminium cylinder heads with integral camshaft bearings as well as aluminium blocks. But feel free to make brass or bronze bearings. If the stuff is soft, you just about have to use bearings. No option, here. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22989	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Green plywood allergies: help!

To all: Two months ago I purchased a new, green piece of 1/2 inch plywood. As I work with it I am noticing allergy problem in all the humans and even the 18 year old cat. Last night I finished my cutting / sanding / drilling / mounting of this wood. It is ready for AF track. Before I tear down this new section of my layout and evict this evil lumber, is there anything anyone can suggests to seal the wood or otherwise trap its problems? My layout also contains about 15 older sheets of plywood. These are all dry, seasoned lumber. We don't have problems with these. None of the older wood is painted or sealed in any way. If this green plywood were dry I would just paint it. But it is green. Can you paint green lumber? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22990	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Green plywood

Dear Keith: Thanks for your concern. This is not 'green' wood for outdoor use. I steer clear of that stuff. Because of the toxins, THAT type of wood lives outside. Extra pieces are stored in the garage. (It also has a green tint.) The problem board is 'interior / exterior grade' AC plywood. It is 'green' as in 'new' or not 'dried' wood. (If you ever had a 'green' board that was out in the rain and the grain raised? Boards like this will feel 'wet' many weeks after you get them out of the rain. This board has that problem as did the entire stack in the store.) This green board is loaded with water, pine dust, pollens, bird dust, and other stuff. If I had five years, I could put it into the garage and after that long snooze it would be fine, seasoned lumber without problems. But what can I do today? (Short of evicting it and starting over with seasoned plywood.) Thorin -----Original Message----- From: keefer1_us <keefer1_us@...> [mailto:keefer1_us@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:45 AM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: Green plywood If this is Osmose treated lumber (or something similiar, it is meant for outside use only, and can be extremly dangerous. Sanding dust and splinters are very toxic. Keith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22991	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Green plywood allergies: help!

Dear Roy: Foam will be tried for the next module, but the foam will be in a 'box' with the 'walls' made from lumber. This section of layout is plywood boards cut four or eight inches wide supported by legs. There are three levels in this section. The wood is very much out in the open and it will be hit by a varitity of things including active children. (They will probably hang from it.) Foam just would not hold up. Also, the legs are spaced between three and eight feet. Each board has a rib underneath for strength. (It looks like a wide top 'T'.) I like boards as I can lean on them, abuse them, drill them, and drop AF track on them. A module I will be gentle with. (And modules get hand-laid track with Homasote.) The way I lay and relay and Relay and RELAY my AF track, foam would be gouged and damaged in minutes. Foam is also light. In this instance the additional weight of wood is an advantage. I also have bridges with hinges. (Bridges for humans to go through.) Unless I do a complete rebuild with foam sandwiched between wood 'walls', I don't think foam is the right choice. I will keep thinking about foam. If I do a complete rebuild I might go with foam. (Then the question becomes 'how do you convert a 4*8 sheet of foam into 4 and 8 inch strips like a table saw will do with plywood.) Thanks for the comments about paint. That is what I have been told too. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:17 AM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Green plywood allergies: help! Marty, I used to live across the street from a professional painter (when he wasn't playing with trains) and he said no matter what you do to it, you couldn't keep paint on green lumber. It just has to dry out. I have not constructed a layout with ply for five years. The last four layouts I have made or had a hand in making were done with foam. Much easier to work with for lots of reasons. But I understand it is a little late to be making that decision now. Good luck Roy Inman > From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:29:49 -0600 > To: "S-Scale (E-mail)" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S-Trains (E-mail)" > <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Green plywood allergies: help! > > If this green plywood were dry I would just paint it. But it is green. Can > you paint green lumber? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22992	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Green plywood allergies: help!

My wife swears by "Killz" at Home Depot & Lowe's to seal stains & odors and I use it for base coating the white vinyl laminate cabinets for faux finishes. ---Before I tear down this new section of my layout and evict this evil lumber, is there anything anyone can suggests to seal the wood or otherwise trap its problems? Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22993	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

Good for you Mike. Let us know if he responds to you. Imho the flatcar with rocket should be included at that price!! I hope others are scrutinizing the listings too. Let us know,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > The link to this car is below and I feel that my email to him is a fair > statement. > > I wonder what nasty response I will get. I am just trying to protect > someone from buying something not fully represented as that item number of > AF. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mlmarmer@m...> > To: <mlmarmer@m...> > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:09 AM > Subject: Question for seller -- Item #3106068528 > > > > Dear gto74, > > > > You have a very nice looking USM Boxcar, which you state is AF's item > number 25056. However, you need to let all know that it is missing the > Rocket Launher flat car that goes with it, plus the original rocket, that is > hard to find. That is the reason for the metal plug wires from that car, > that attaches to the Flat car. Then the rocket launcher will get > electricity from the track, for firing the rocket. Plus the cans for the > box car, button and track trip is not mentioned if you have those pieces. > > > > The flat car and rocket has a great effect of the value for the complete > item number of 25056 and I would hate to see someone bidding for this car > base on the values in Greenberg and TM, and not know about the above. He or > she will not be very happy, with all that money they spent on for a partial > piece of AF, should he of she win and not know about the flat car with > original rocket. > > > > I hope you will mention this on your bid that the flat car, complete, is > missing. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Mike Marmer > > Germantown, MD > > > > I > > -------------------- > > > > > > Question from: acadia100 > > Title of item: American Flyer 25056 USM Boxcar (Exc Plus) > > Seller: gto74 > > Starts: Jan-07-03 19:00:00 PST > > Ends: Jan-17-03 19:00:00 PST > > Price: Currently $406.00 > > To view the item, go to: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3106068528 > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22994	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was?

American Flyer #553 NORTHERN 5-8-4 Locomotive http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107793501&ssPageName=ADME:B:RECO:US:2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22995	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] RE: Green plywood

"Marty.Thorin" wrote: > Dear Keith: > Thanks for your concern. This is not 'green' wood for outdoor use. I > steer clear of that stuff. Because of the toxins, THAT type of wood lives > outside. Extra pieces are stored in the garage. (It also has a green > tint.) > > The problem board is 'interior / exterior grade' AC plywood. It is 'green' > as in 'new' or not 'dried' wood. (If you ever had a 'green' board that was > out in the rain and the grain raised? Boards like this will feel 'wet' many > weeks after you get them out of the rain. This board has that problem as > did the entire stack in the store.) > This green board is loaded with water, pine dust, pollens, bird dust, > and other stuff. If I had five years, I could put it into the garage and > after that long snooze it would be fine, seasoned lumber without problems. > But what can I do today? (Short of evicting it and starting over with > seasoned plywood.) > > Thorin > > -----Original Message----- > From: keefer1_us <keefer1_us@...> [mailto:keefer1_us@...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:45 AM > To: thorin.marty@... > Subject: Green plywood > > If this is Osmose treated lumber (or something similiar, it is meant > for outside use only, and can be extremly dangerous. Sanding dust and > splinters are very toxic. Keith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > To see or post Photos visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Thorin, Stop in your tracks! I have never heard of green plywood because of the very nature of its manufacture. But clearly you have something that is not the expected product. If it is causing allergies, my first suspicion is molds growing in the wood or in the moisture that the product seems to have trapped. Sealing in molds with paint and such might well lead to future problems, because depending on the nature of the mold, it might well continue to grow anaerobically. I speak as a microbiologist/immunlogist. My advice: get rid of it. Bob Jackson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22996	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was?

Its the old "o" guage engine...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil A Becker" <becks@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was? > American Flyer #553 NORTHERN 5-8-4 Locomotive > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107793501&ssPageName=ADM E:B:RECO:US:2 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22997	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was?

Looks like the typical O-gauge AF steamers which were precursers to the S-gauge AF, but built before 1946. Although I don't know where the 5 came from in 5-8-4 (probably from a typo). Rance Velapoldi Neil A Becker wrote: >American Flyer #553 NORTHERN 5-8-4 Locomotive > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107793501&ssPageName=ADME:B:RECO:US:2 > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22998	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Damp plywood allergies: help!

Dear ??? I have changed the name on this e-mail. This plywood is not green as in pressure treated. None of my indoor wood is. This is green as in not seasoned. This wood is still young enough (or got soaked enough) that it is full of water. At it sits in my basement and slowly dries out, the water is bringing the sap and other things to the surface. This stuff, plus the sawdust I am generating, is making us sick. I purchased this 1/2 AC plywood at Home Depot. I have had this wood for several months. It has a slightly raised grain and still feels 'damp'. The store's entire stock of 1/2 inch AC felt damp that day, and the wood was stored indoors. (How it got to the shelves is another matter.) Bob Jackson is recommending against sealing the wood and instead getting it out of my basement until it dries out because of molds. As he is a microbiologist I am inclined to listen. Ripping this out will allow me to correct the one known design error: the upper bridge should be an inch longer on the free end and between two and four inches longer on the hinge end. (The lower bridge is still dead on.) Thorin -----Original Message----- From: SWEETDAK@... [mailto:SWEETDAK@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:11 PM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Green plywood allergies: help! -- (This had a bright yellow background -- Thorin) --------------------------------------- The green plywood is what is called pressure treated. It is made for mainly outdoor purposes. It contains poison to kill any wood eating bugs. Go to the lumber yard and get 1/2" AC plywood or 1/2" CDX plywood. AC costs a little more but I think is worth it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 22999	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was?

Yes it's pre war & O gauge & with out the tender not much good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil A Becker" <becks@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was? American Flyer #553 NORTHERN 5-8-4 Locomotive http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107793501&ssPageName=ADM E:B:RECO:US:2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23000	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: #22030 Transformer on Ebay...

Just saw a AF #22030 100 watt transformer, w/box & instructions,...up around $127.00. I just bought a 22035 175 watts at a GATS for $50!! Course, the white lettering isn't as nice on mine,..and no original box, but a much better transformer !! My 22035 has the directional switch and breaker switch. But, I know how the prices goes up for "Original" box and all!!! Hmmm.... Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23001	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: DC and eBay

- Greeting`S' - Thanks for a couple of chuckles from the latest digest. Regarding DC polarity reversing, if terminal A is +8 VDC with respect to terminal B and the reverse polarity switch is thrown, terminal A will be -8 VDC with respect to terminal B. It cannot get there by way of Anaheim, it must go thru zero. However, it may go thru zero too quickly for the reverse electronics to notice. This is true on the SHS SW-9. Regarding the length train needed at $100/car to finance a year of college tuition, I saw the Virginia Division of ACSG run a 63 car train behind 3 Diesel units about 2 years ago. If all 63 of those cars were sold for $100 each, he would not be even close to the year's tuition at a private college. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23002	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: All aboard sets

I know that there are members here that have all aboard panels for their layouts. Please contact me off list as I would like to get more info on them please. Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23003	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: scale dead leaves

I saw this on the CRRofNJ modelers group and thought it was pretty interesting. Don Thompson "...Lou Sassi's Tree Group has one of the best methods of creating forest ground cover I've seen; they use finely ground up leaves. You start with a handful or two of leaves and put these into a blender with water. Turn it on and grind this into a fine slurry. Empty the contents into an old T Shirt in the sink. Wrap the stuff and squeeze out as much water as possible. Then spread the ground up leaves on a cookie sheet and put them into the oven 250 degrees or so and let them dry this way. I found I had to open the door to let humidity out and turn them occasionally. It took about an hour or so and smelled pretty good too. Once this stuff is dry, pick out the big stems and then sift/strain the leaves through various size strainers. You will have made almost scale size dead leaves for ground cover. You pre-wet the ground before applying the leaves and then spray glue them in place as you would any fine ground cover. Add small bushes and sapling afterwards, some rocks, dead branches, you know what it looks like. Keller's GReat Model RR's video on Lou Sassi's layout has a fantastic scenery clinic in it, shows the leaves and all of the other methods he and his scenery group uses. MR did a three or four part series by Lou's Tree Group about a decade or so ago. Hope this helps, while I never completly sceniked my old layout, I did a few areas with this method and the results were pretty amazing and very Northeast realistic. Now any fast methods of making 2,759,962,572 realistic deciduous trees that don't look like puff balls!?!?!?!? There's something to be said for desert scenery...."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23004	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Interesting

I saw this item on e-bay and found the buy it now price of $600.00 intersting. What equipment is this filter used on? Does anyone know the the original cost of this item. Curious in Cedar Beach. Lou http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107788338

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23005	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting

It is a filter that could be used it you were using a rectiformer or DC rectifer for track power to keep the hum out of 342ac whistle or 362 diesel horn speaker. Bacically it is a large filter capacitor. What's it worth? What ever somebody will pay? Carl -----Original Message----- From: lou342ac <lou342ac@...> [mailto:lou342ac@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Interesting I saw this item on e-bay and found the buy it now price of $600.00 intersting. What equipment is this filter used on? Does anyone know the the original cost of this item. Curious in Cedar Beach. Lou http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107788338 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23006	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting

That's what it is alright BUT IT AIN"T worth 600 clams!!!!no way !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> To: <lou342ac@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Interesting It is a filter that could be used it you were using a rectiformer or DC rectifer for track power to keep the hum out of 342ac whistle or 362 diesel horn speaker. Bacically it is a large filter capacitor. What's it worth? What ever somebody will pay? Carl -----Original Message----- From: lou342ac <lou342ac@...> [mailto:lou342ac@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Interesting I saw this item on e-bay and found the buy it now price of $600.00 intersting. What equipment is this filter used on? Does anyone know the the original cost of this item. Curious in Cedar Beach. Lou http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107788338 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23007	From: David	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting

All that is, is a big capacitor with an American Flyer sticker attached. It was used to filter DC to help aleviate static to radios and TV sets. Uncataloged in 1950. Worth about $10.00 as a collectors item. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lou342ac <lou342ac@c...>" <lou342ac@c...> wrote: > I saw this item on e-bay and found the buy it now price of $600.00 > intersting. What equipment is this filter used on? Does anyone know > the the original cost of this item. Curious in Cedar Beach. > Lou > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107788338

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23008	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

John, I haven't heard from him on his listing of the AF 25056 and probably wont. I feel for the person who wins this car and pays allot for it, without the knowledge of the missing car and hard to find rocket, if that should happen. Hopefully the winner is fully aware of the missing piece, but I don't know that. I am sure the seller knows what he is doing, meaning I feel he is knowledgeable about this piece. Hopefully the bidders know what they are doing, but you never know, as I was uneducated after AF at one time and I am still learning through magazines and S-List. I feel he knows what he is doing since he has a nice picture of the plug from the boxcar and doesn't question what that is for. He is misleading the use of the AF factory number. Missing that key car would hurt the auction, as it should command a lower price. How much to deduct for the missing car and rocket, that I don't know and the bidders, with that knowledge will determine that price, as I, a collector who would wait for a complete set, if I needed it, as others might also. By the way, I helped a seller when he mention some factory paint marks on the Domino Sugar Hopper, that are also pictured on the car in the Greenberg book and I have same marks are on my car. He was honest to mention these marks as a flaw, and I told him I feel they are legitimate marks from the production line from the factory, as the quality was going to you know where. He was grateful for the knowledge. I told him he should mention this on the description that this is from the factory, most cars have this, if not all and to give reference to the picture in Vol. One Greenberg. I almost didn't buy this car, when I was reassure that others have this and I can accept that. So not all is bad on Ebay. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <hcopter51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > Good for you Mike. Let us know if he responds to you. Imho the > flatcar with rocket should be included at that price!! I hope others > are scrutinizing the listings too. Let us know,John B. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > The link to this car is below and I feel that my email to him is a > fair > > statement. > > > > I wonder what nasty response I will get. I am just trying to > protect > > someone from buying something not fully represented as that item > number of > > AF. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <mlmarmer@m...> > > To: <mlmarmer@m...> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:09 AM > > Subject: Question for seller -- Item #3106068528 > > > > > > > Dear gto74, > > > > > > You have a very nice looking USM Boxcar, which you state is AF's > item > > number 25056. However, you need to let all know that it is missing > the > > Rocket Launher flat car that goes with it, plus the original > rocket, that is > > hard to find. That is the reason for the metal plug wires from > that car, > > that attaches to the Flat car. Then the rocket launcher will get > > electricity from the track, for firing the rocket. Plus the cans > for the > > box car, button and track trip is not mentioned if you have those > pieces. > > > > > > The flat car and rocket has a great effect of the value for the > complete > > item number of 25056 and I would hate to see someone bidding for > this car > > base on the values in Greenberg and TM, and not know about the > above. He or > > she will not be very happy, with all that money they spent on for a > partial > > piece of AF, should he of she win and not know about the flat car > with > > original rocket. > > > > > > I hope you will mention this on your bid that the flat car, > complete, is > > missing. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Mike Marmer > > > Germantown, MD > > > > > > I > > > -------------------- > > > > > > > > > Question from: acadia100 > > > Title of item: American Flyer 25056 USM Boxcar (Exc > Plus) > > > Seller: gto74 > > > Starts: Jan-07-03 19:00:00 PST > > > Ends: Jan-17-03 19:00:00 PST > > > Price: Currently $406.00 > > > To view the item, go to: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3106068528 > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at > http://www.ebay.com > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23009	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Speaking of Ebay item

I forgot to mention that the Santa Fe GP-20 is listed on Ebay as item 3107456409 or link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3107456409 Just in case someone missed it when I offered it hear earlier.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23010	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

It's no different than a car sitting on a train show table. Caveat emptor. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > John, > > I haven't heard from him on his listing of the AF 25056 and probably wont. > I feel for the person who wins > this car and pays allot for it, without the knowledge of the missing car and > hard to find rocket, if that should happen. Hopefully the winner is fully > aware of the missing piece, but I don't know that.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23011	From: Chris Simmonds	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: smoke units output

Hello, is it normal for a American Flyer 302 smoke unit to smoke only after power on the transformer is increased to about 1/3 to 1/2. At lower voltages it doesnt want to smoke. Is this normal? Thanks in advance. Chris --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23012	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

Absolutely true, as an uneducated person , new to the hobby overall, will not know that the other car and rocket is missing. And the seller may not say a word to that person, as he is laughing to himself, should that price be reflective of a complete car set. Sort of like the Monon unloading car, in a way, without the platform. ----- Original Message ----- From: <sgriggs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > It's no different than a car sitting on a train show table. Caveat > emptor. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > John, > > > > I haven't heard from him on his listing of the AF 25056 and > probably wont. > > I feel for the person who wins > > this car and pays allot for it, without the knowledge of the > missing car and > > hard to find rocket, if that should happen. Hopefully the winner > is fully > > aware of the missing piece, but I don't know that. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23013	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units output

Sounds normal. Chris Simmonds wrote: > > Hello, is it normal for a American Flyer 302 smoke unit to smoke only after power on the transformer is increased to about 1/3 to 1/2. At lower voltages it doesnt want to smoke. Is this normal? Thanks in advance. Chris > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23014	From: scott ptacek	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: 21130 tender

Does anybody know were i can find a tender shell for a hudson 21130 thats has all 4 steps?????????????????? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23015	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay - Anybody know what this one is/was?

It is an AF 3/16th's scale, 0 gauge Northern 4-8-4 without a tender. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23016	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: NP reefer

Has anyone ever marketed a Northern Pacific reefer in S? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23017	From: plotnick	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

Dumping on the seller aside, I also have one of the boxcars for this pair without the rocket car. I have been looking for the rocket car so far without success. How does one fairly value items like this? - Roy Plotnick Roy E. Plotnick Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, Il .60607 phone: 312-996-2111 630-252-6377(May-August) e-mail: plotnick@... homepage: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/people/faculty/plotnick.html "Those who do not know the literature are condemned to repeat it."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23018	From: colleenandrob	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Metal 283

Hello and thank you to the many members who responded to my question about a 283 ever being made in cast metal. Right before the engine shipped to my home the seller said it was indeed plastic which ended the mystery. Unfortunately, I'm in the process of returning the engine to the ebay seller. It turns out the engine was held together in the front by just the smoke stack (smoke fuild) tube. The engine was missing both front screws and the holes for the missing screws where stripped out and half chipped off. I've seen this problem before with 283s (stripped front screw holes) but this was really bad. As I told the seller it looked like this engine had been around the block a few times. The coupler was also broken. I ate the cost of shipping both ways but at least I'll get back my purchase price. However I wish to express my thanks to all you good folks who took the time to answer my original question. It shows to the character of the members here. First rate!!! Thank you again and happy railroading! Rob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23019	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting

In a message dated 01/14/2003 5:44:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, lou342ac@... writes: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107788338 It looks like a filter condenser as used in sound units. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23020	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: 21130 tender

In a message dated 01/14/2003 8:36:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, s6g2p@... writes: > Does anybody know were i can find a tender shell for a hudson 21130 thats > has all 4 steps?????????????????? > Shoot, I'm looking for one for a 21129. I'll take it with NO steps... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23021	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: Re: NP reefer

In a message dated 01/14/2003 9:39:18 PM Mountain Standard Time, sigma@... writes: > Has anyone ever marketed a Northern Pacific reefer in S? > Joe Pereira > Sure, the American Flyer 947 and 24409 are reefers. There are others. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23022	From: Chris Simmonds	Date: 1/14/2003
Subject: smoke unit joy!

Thanks eveyone for your quick response on my smoke output questions. It is now safe to say that my Flyer 302 is smoking fine. In fact at high voltages you darn near have to leave the room. Works great! The trick really seemed to be a 24 hour soak with alcohol and Anormal1's AF Smoke Fluid. That stuff ROCKS! Thanks Mike. Chris Simmonds --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23023	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] BK Closed Frog Switch - a picture please

Hi John: I am in the process of trying to figure out how to lay some BK code 125 closed frog switches. I have no experience, and have never laid a switch by myself. I've scanned a picture of one, and what I think it should look like (attached), just sort of dragging my feet on doing it - mainly because I am not sure or waiting for divine inspiration. I have made some wood roadbed to lay (glue) the ties on, and then I will spike the switch on the ties. As you can see from the attached picture, cutting the frog point at those two locations will isolate the frog so one doesn't get an electrical short later on. The pivot unit will then rotate about the pivot plate, making contact with the straight stock rail or the curved stock rail. In the former case (where the train goes on the curved section), the pivot unit will pick up the electrical power from the straight stock rail, and make the isolated frog unit the same polarity (again through contact). The polarity will then be the same as the rail through the left hand side of the curve. Conversely, when the pivot unit contacts the curved stock rail (train goes straight), then it will pick up the polarity of the curved stock rail and the polarity will go through the frog points and have the same polarity as the bottom rail in the picture as the train goes straight. I think a weak point will be that the electricity is handled only through contact points. I think I have seen some wiring of the frog points recently, and I will have to look for it. That is probably what I am waiting for at this time. Maybe we will get some answers and pictures from people who have done this before (I hope). I hope what I have said is right and understandable, but we will find out! Regards, Rance Velapoldi, Norway John & Alison Gibson wrote: >Hello List: > > > >My thanks to all who responded to my earlier post about closed frog >switches. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. So can someone >please post in the photo section a picture of a completed BK closed frog >switch so I know what this thing is supposed to look like when I am done. >Even though I have hand laid many HO switches and several No. 1 gauge >switches, I don't have clue how this thing goes together. > > > >Many thanks for your help. > > > >John Gibson > >Rocklin, CA > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23024	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: NP reefer

Dear Joe, We have two numbers of the 38000 series NP reefer we released last year. Our product number is #00686 & #00687. I think you can find it at: http://www.showcaseline.com/images/00686.jpg Don PS Let me know if the images come throught OK It can be found on page: http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html sigma@... wrote: >Has anyone ever marketed a Northern Pacific reefer in S? >Joe Pereira > > email: sigma@... > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23025	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: scale dead leaves

I used to screen sawdust from my woodworking shop. It can be dyed any color you want first, then dried and screened. You don't have to use the oven if you're not in any hurry. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: Showcaseline e-group ; S Scale e-group ; S Train e-group Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: scale dead leaves I saw this on the CRRofNJ modelers group and thought it was pretty interesting. Don Thompson "...Lou Sassi's Tree Group has one of the best methods of creating forest ground cover I've seen; they use finely ground up leaves. You start with a handful or two of leaves and put these into a blender with water. Turn it on and grind this into a fine slurry. Empty the contents into an old T Shirt in the sink. Wrap the stuff and squeeze out as much water as possible. Then spread the ground up leaves on a cookie sheet and put them into the oven 250 degrees or so and let them dry this way. I found I had to open the door to let humidity out and turn them occasionally. It took about an hour or so and smelled pretty good too. Once this stuff is dry, pick out the big stems and then sift/strain the leaves through various size strainers. You will have made almost scale size dead leaves for ground cover. You pre-wet the ground before applying the leaves and then spray glue them in place as you would any fine ground cover. Add small bushes and sapling afterwards, some rocks, dead branches, you know what it looks like. Keller's GReat Model RR's video on Lou Sassi's layout has a fantastic scenery clinic in it, shows the leaves and all of the other methods he and his scenery group uses. MR did a three or four part series by Lou's Tree Group about a decade or so ago. Hope this helps, while I never completly sceniked my old layout, I did a few areas with this method and the results were pretty amazing and very Northeast realistic. Now any fast methods of making 2,759,962,572 realistic deciduous trees that don't look like puff balls!?!?!?!? There's something to be said for desert scenery...." S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23026	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting

600 clams would be worth between $150 -$300, depending on their size. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Inscho To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Interesting That's what it is alright BUT IT AIN"T worth 600 clams!!!!no way !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Tuveson" <carl@...> To: <lou342ac@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Interesting It is a filter that could be used it you were using a rectiformer or DC rectifer for track power to keep the hum out of 342ac whistle or 362 diesel horn speaker. Bacically it is a large filter capacitor. What's it worth? What ever somebody will pay? Carl -----Original Message----- From: lou342ac <lou342ac@...> [mailto:lou342ac@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Interesting I saw this item on e-bay and found the buy it now price of $600.00 intersting. What equipment is this filter used on? Does anyone know the the original cost of this item. Curious in Cedar Beach. Lou http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107788338 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23027	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: 21130 tender

Hi Steve or Sorry Steve, This is a tease, as my 21129 has two steps missing and you can't have it!! O:)!!! No money in the world will make me part with it! It has more meaning to me than that. O:)! I too, am looking for a four step tender, as that will be a tuff fine! This 21129 is from my childhood and it was in a repair shop in 1974, at the biggest train shop in D.C., Model Railroad Center of Rockville and they promptly went out of business a month later, after I took it in, and they took everything with them, including my 21129, that I didn't know was a rare piece, but that didn't matter as it is from childhood. Thanks to Reds Hobby Shoppe in Wheaton, MD., I got it back, as Reds is now gone too. That set, 20740 with the engine, had a cost of $75 in 1958, which was a ton of money back then, especially since 1958 was a recession year, also. I know that average yearly incomes in 1970 was 11,000, as I can image what it was for 1958! Of course, homes and auto's were almost nothing in comparison to today. I tracked him down through Red's Hobby Shoppe who gave me his home number. Stewart Davidson of the closed Shoppe said it wasn't done yet and I would check back with him from time to time, as finally in 1984 or so, I called him with the intention of just asking for it back and he said it was done! A whopping 8 dollar repair for the pull mor wheels that separated! I got back into flyer in 1992 and was surprise to learn about this set, as the two flat cars were 3 digit. I do have those in 5 now. The set was so new, with the five digit items, that the tender came in a weird looking corrugated box, with the ends, cut to shape and stapled for the protection of the couplers and the box for the 25052 caboose has a handwritten flap. I have a LN 21130 with 3 steps with the attached tender and a crappy 21130 painted up one with the removable tender with no steps. We have to keep searching as you never know where you will find one! Good luck with it Steve, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <s6g2p@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21130 tender > In a message dated 01/14/2003 8:36:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, > s6g2p@... writes: > > > Does anybody know were i can find a tender shell for a hudson 21130 thats > > has all 4 steps?????????????????? > > > Shoot, I'm looking for one for a 21129. I'll take it with NO steps... > > Steve > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23028	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting

It is listed in TM with a star as the price, so it is something that was made, but less than those 21129's!!! LOL! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <lou342ac@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Interesting > In a message dated 01/14/2003 5:44:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, > lou342ac@... writes: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107788338 > > It looks like a filter condenser as used in sound units. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23029	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

Roy, If this item is truly won on the basis of the boxcar only, take the total amount you would pay for this piece complete minus the winning bid of the box car and that would be the price of the flat with the rocket, as this rocket is not the same as those with those other single rocket flat cars. I would say a E plus complete 25056 with the box would be about $650.00 to me. So the box car right now is a little over $400. Is that a fair way of figuring out the flat, I don't know, but that it is a start. Maybe the next Greenberg or TM should do a mention of expected value for the separate pieces, as I have no idea, if one is more valuable than the other or equal. Anyone with thoughts on this? And there is probably no right or wrong answer on this. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "plotnick" <plotnick@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > Dumping on the seller aside, I also have one of the boxcars for this pair > without the rocket car. I have been looking for the rocket car so far without > success. How does one fairly value items like this? - Roy Plotnick > > Roy E. Plotnick > Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences > University of Illinois at Chicago > 845 W. Taylor St. > Chicago, Il .60607 > phone: 312-996-2111 630-252-6377(May-August) > e-mail: plotnick@... > homepage: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/people/faculty/plotnick.html > > "Those who do not know the literature are condemned to repeat it." > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23030	From: wintermutedm	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: HELP on SIT armature

Hi everyone, I have an interesting situation. I discovered that my 2 year old has figured out how to turn on my layout (I now need to put the power stip above 5 feet). At any rate, I had mistakenly left my 312 SIT engine on the layout, and while I was at work he fed track-power to it. It started up in neutral and was left there, full throttle, until I got home maybe 4 or 5 hours later. Being a SIT unit, the SIT had been running full steam until it died. When I opened it up and disected it, I found that the communicator (the copper circle) on the armature had split into 3 parts. Everything else looked ok... but now I am stuck with a dead armature. I have three questions for this: first, does anyone sell replacement armatures for SIT units? I checked Portlines and RFG and couldn't find any (not that they don't have them, I just couldn't find them). If no one sells them, is there a replacement unit for them (I am not worried about keeping the engine original: it is a repaint). And finally, is there a way to repair the communicator? I had a wild idea that supergluing the three pieces back together might work. I haven't tried it yet though. Let me know what you think. It was my only engine that smoked and worked before this, so I really want to get it fixed! Thanks Denny Merritt -Chicago

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23031	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: HELP on SIT armature

Denny, When you say the commutator split into 3 parts, do you mean they seperated from the armature? The commutator is made in 3 sections, it is not one single piece of copper. I went through the same thing 6 months ago. The commutator was destroyed on my armature. I found no way to repair it or anyone who could. There are no repros available either. I was able to buy a good used armature from Doug Peck at Portlines. I'm back in business now. Steve Blancard --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wintermutedm <dmerritt@y...>" <dmerritt@y...> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have an interesting situation. I discovered that my 2 year old has > figured out how to turn on my layout (I now need to put the power > stip above 5 feet). At any rate, I had mistakenly left my 312 SIT > engine on the layout, and while I was at work he fed track-power to > it. It started up in neutral and was left there, full throttle, > until I got home maybe 4 or 5 hours later. Being a SIT unit, the SIT > had been running full steam until it died. When I opened it up and > disected it, I found that the communicator (the copper circle) on the > armature had split into 3 parts. Everything else looked ok... but > now I am stuck with a dead armature. > > I have three questions for this: first, does anyone sell replacement > armatures for SIT units? I checked Portlines and RFG and couldn't > find any (not that they don't have them, I just couldn't find them). > If no one sells them, is there a replacement unit for them (I am not > worried about keeping the engine original: it is a repaint). And > finally, is there a way to repair the communicator? I had a wild > idea that supergluing the three pieces back together might work. I > haven't tried it yet though. > > Let me know what you think. It was my only engine that smoked and > worked before this, so I really want to get it fixed! > Thanks > > Denny Merritt > -Chicago

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23032	From: wintermutedm	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: HELP on SIT armature

Ah, maybe that is why they are in three parts. I guess that means they separated from the armature (I just assumed it froze up and broke somehow). Does Doug Peck sell used armatures for SIT smoke units? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Blancard <splitdorf@1...>" <splitdorf@1...> wrote: > Denny, > > When you say the commutator split into 3 parts, do you mean they > seperated from the armature? The commutator is made in 3 sections, > it is not one single piece of copper. > > I went through the same thing 6 months ago. The commutator was > destroyed on my armature. I found no way to repair it or anyone who > could. There are no repros available either. I was able to buy a > good used armature from Doug Peck at Portlines. I'm back in business > now. > > Steve Blancard > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wintermutedm <dmerritt@y...>" > <dmerritt@y...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have an interesting situation. I discovered that my 2 year old > has > > figured out how to turn on my layout (I now need to put the power > > stip above 5 feet). At any rate, I had mistakenly left my 312 SIT > > engine on the layout, and while I was at work he fed track-power to > > it. It started up in neutral and was left there, full throttle, > > until I got home maybe 4 or 5 hours later. Being a SIT unit, the > SIT > > had been running full steam until it died. When I opened it up and > > disected it, I found that the communicator (the copper circle) on > the > > armature had split into 3 parts. Everything else looked ok... but > > now I am stuck with a dead armature. > > > > I have three questions for this: first, does anyone sell > replacement > > armatures for SIT units? I checked Portlines and RFG and couldn't > > find any (not that they don't have them, I just couldn't find > them). > > If no one sells them, is there a replacement unit for them (I am > not > > worried about keeping the engine original: it is a repaint). And > > finally, is there a way to repair the communicator? I had a wild > > idea that supergluing the three pieces back together might work. I > > haven't tried it yet though. > > > > Let me know what you think. It was my only engine that smoked and > > worked before this, so I really want to get it fixed! > > Thanks > > > > Denny Merritt > > -Chicago

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23033	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: HELP on SIT armature

Be careful. The "communicator", actually commutator, should show 3 separate segments. This makes it a 3 pole motor. Commutator segments= number of poles. If you have a meter check the armature windings pole to pole with rushes off to see if it is open or dead shorted. Ditto for field. Assuming you need an armature, ask Doug Peck at Portlines via email to be sure he has no armatures. "wintermutedm " wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I have an interesting situation. I discovered that my 2 year old has > figured out how to turn on my layout (I now need to put the power > stip above 5 feet). At any rate, I had mistakenly left my 312 SIT > engine on the layout, and while I was at work he fed track-power to > it. It started up in neutral and was left there, full throttle, > until I got home maybe 4 or 5 hours later. Being a SIT unit, the SIT > had been running full steam until it died. When I opened it up and > disected it, I found that the communicator (the copper circle) on the > armature had split into 3 parts. Everything else looked ok... but > now I am stuck with a dead armature. > > I have three questions for this: first, does anyone sell replacement > armatures for SIT units? I checked Portlines and RFG and couldn't > find any (not that they don't have them, I just couldn't find them). > If no one sells them, is there a replacement unit for them (I am not > worried about keeping the engine original: it is a repaint). And > finally, is there a way to repair the communicator? I had a wild > idea that supergluing the three pieces back together might work. I > haven't tried it yet though. > > Let me know what you think. It was my only engine that smoked and > worked before this, so I really want to get it fixed! > Thanks > > Denny Merritt > -Chicago > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23034	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

In a message dated 1/15/2003 9:49:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: > Maybe the next Greenberg or TM should do a mention of expected value for the > separate pieces, as I have no idea, if one is more valuable than the other > or equal In the TM guide, we do not report expected values. We report a statistical average of observed asking prices and realized auction transactions. To do otherwise is to start down the slippery slope of making numbers up. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23035	From: wintermutedm	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: HELP on SIT armature

Learn something new every day... that said, the 3 segments actually separated from the rest of the armature... but the wires did not come off. Is there a way to fix that? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Smith <cesmith@e...> wrote: > Be careful. > The "communicator", actually commutator, should show 3 separate > segments. This makes it a 3 pole motor. Commutator segments= number of > poles. If you have a meter check the armature windings pole to pole > with rushes off to see if it is open or dead shorted. Ditto for field. > Assuming you need an armature, ask Doug Peck at Portlines via email to > be sure he has no armatures. > > "wintermutedm " wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have an interesting situation. I discovered that my 2 year old has > > figured out how to turn on my layout (I now need to put the power > > stip above 5 feet). At any rate, I had mistakenly left my 312 SIT > > engine on the layout, and while I was at work he fed track-power to > > it. It started up in neutral and was left there, full throttle, > > until I got home maybe 4 or 5 hours later. Being a SIT unit, the SIT > > had been running full steam until it died. When I opened it up and > > disected it, I found that the communicator (the copper circle) on the > > armature had split into 3 parts. Everything else looked ok... but > > now I am stuck with a dead armature. > > > > I have three questions for this: first, does anyone sell replacement > > armatures for SIT units? I checked Portlines and RFG and couldn't > > find any (not that they don't have them, I just couldn't find them). > > If no one sells them, is there a replacement unit for them (I am not > > worried about keeping the engine original: it is a repaint). And > > finally, is there a way to repair the communicator? I had a wild > > idea that supergluing the three pieces back together might work. I > > haven't tried it yet though. > > > > Let me know what you think. It was my only engine that smoked and > > worked before this, so I really want to get it fixed! > > Thanks > > > > Denny Merritt > > -Chicago > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23036	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

Speaking of TM, when is the next price guide comming out? John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > In a message dated 1/15/2003 9:49:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, > mlmarmer@m... writes: > > > Maybe the next Greenberg or TM should do a mention of expected value for the > > separate pieces, as I have no idea, if one is more valuable than the other > > or equal > > In the TM guide, we do not report expected values. We report a statistical > average of observed asking prices and realized auction transactions. To do > otherwise is to start down the slippery slope of making numbers up. > > RB > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23037	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: HELP on SIT armature

If the 3 commutator sections came loose from the base, but are still attached to their respective wires, and the copper pieces are not bent, kinked or deformed, it may be possible to epoxy them back in place...maybe. You must get them back in the EXACT same position and they must form a perfect circle (when looking at it from the end). Usually commutators are trued on a lathe to ensure they are smooth and are a perfect circle (not egg shaped, rough or uneven). Don't try to lathe turn this armature, you will destroy it (believe me I know by experience). It is not the same as the loco armatures (I've done many of these). If you successfully epoxy them in place, then you could gently sand them, shoe-shine style while spinning in a lathe or drill press. Start with 400 grit, then finish with 600. Afterwords, be sure to flush it thoroughly with electrical contact cleaner to get all the grit out. Make sure the slots between each segment of copper are clean. All this being said, I would check with several dealers for a servicable replacement armature first. The above should only be considered as a last resort. Steve Blancard --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wintermutedm <dmerritt@y...>" <dmerritt@y...> wrote: > Learn something new every day... that said, the 3 segments actually > separated from the rest of the armature... but the wires did not come > off. Is there a way to fix that? > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Smith <cesmith@e...> wrote: > > Be careful. > > The "communicator", actually commutator, should show 3 separate > > segments. This makes it a 3 pole motor. Commutator segments= number > of > > poles. If you have a meter check the armature windings pole to pole > > with rushes off to see if it is open or dead shorted. Ditto for > field. > > Assuming you need an armature, ask Doug Peck at Portlines via email > to > > be sure he has no armatures. > > > > "wintermutedm " wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I have an interesting situation. I discovered that my 2 year old > has > > > figured out how to turn on my layout (I now need to put the power > > > stip above 5 feet). At any rate, I had mistakenly left my 312 SIT > > > engine on the layout, and while I was at work he fed track- power > to > > > it. It started up in neutral and was left there, full throttle, > > > until I got home maybe 4 or 5 hours later. Being a SIT unit, the > SIT > > > had been running full steam until it died. When I opened it up > and > > > disected it, I found that the communicator (the copper circle) on > the > > > armature had split into 3 parts. Everything else looked ok... but > > > now I am stuck with a dead armature. > > > > > > I have three questions for this: first, does anyone sell > replacement > > > armatures for SIT units? I checked Portlines and RFG and couldn't > > > find any (not that they don't have them, I just couldn't find > them). > > > If no one sells them, is there a replacement unit for them (I am > not > > > worried about keeping the engine original: it is a repaint). And > > > finally, is there a way to repair the communicator? I had a wild > > > idea that supergluing the three pieces back together might work. > I > > > haven't tried it yet though. > > > > > > Let me know what you think. It was my only engine that smoked and > > > worked before this, so I really want to get it fixed! > > > Thanks > > > > > > Denny Merritt > > > -Chicago > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- > unsubscribe@Y... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- > > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23038	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Cutting sheets of foam (was Green plywood allergies: help!)

Dear Paul and others: How do you cut foam? With my carpentry skills I have always looked at foam as a weight reduction technique. Therefore perfect for modules. However, I will start considering foam for the primary layout. I drive a small hatchback that does not hold an intact 4' * 8' sheet of plywood. I can get the lumberyards to reduce my plywood to 2' * 8' strips or less. That I can haul home and even close the the rear. The sick plywood that started this thread was reduced by Home Depot to 4 boards where each are 1' * 8'. One of these is still intact and stored in the garage. The other boards were further reduced so I had 3 boards 4 inches wide and 3 boards 8 inches wide. Normally I cut my plywood by drawing a line on the board and then using a hand circular saw with a plywood blade. (Odd shapes are cut either by hand or by saber saw.) I then cut and fit the boards into the layout. These latter cuts are done with various people-powered hand saws. How would I reduce a 2 or 3 inch thick sheet of 4' * 8' foam to strips 8 feet long? These strips need to be between 3 and 8 inches wide. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Paul4Schil@... [mailto:Paul4Schil@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:16 PM To: thorin.marty@...; rinphoto@...; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Scale] RE: [S-Trains] Green plywood allergies: help! I think you are too hard on foam. I have an S scale layout with extruded "pink" foam and it has worked great. True, I wouldn't walk on it and it does have wood supports but the bulk is foam. It's cheaper, easier to work with, needs less tools, has less fuss, can be easily changed. It's just the material for folks who don't have carpentry skills/tools but want to get something up & running. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23039	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: More New S Layout Plans Posted

Just posted - layout plans for S gauge, for tight spaces. these are 4' by 6' plans that can be used alone, or as extensions and additions to existing pikes. Each has 3D drawings with it, plus an item list. There are plans for American Flyer S and S-Trax. Go to my site - http://www.thortrains.net - and scroll way down to the S Section. Link is marked NEW - Small Layouts. Folks who are short on space might find these appealing. For collectors of American Flyer Wide gauge - there are also new 4' by 6' Standard Gauge plans in the Standard gauge section. For O gaugers, there are new 4' by 6' plan in the O/O27 section. More larger layouts for S ought to be ready my late February. I hope you enjoy seeing the ones I posted today. Happy Railroading! Thor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23040	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: What about DOORS?

What about DOORS?.....why not use doors for table tops...? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23041	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: What about DOORS?

Doors? As in Jim Morrison and the Doors? Light my fire and all that awful stuff! Wait, wrong group here! I need to go to deadrockstars@... ! Sorry, Bob, couldn't resist that come back! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <Paul4Schil@...>; "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> Cc: <rinphoto@...>; <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What about DOORS? > What about DOORS?.....why not use doors for table tops...? Bob > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23042	From: Tony in Michigan	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

I'm sorry but we are supposed to be adults and should be responsible for our own actions. I can't imagine bidding $400 bucks on a beanie baby because I don't know anything about them, no matter what the Ebay seller might say about it. If you are not that familiar with Flyer but like it, gain more experience! As a sometimes seller on Ebay I know there are some very inexperienced buyers looking at Flyer based on some of the questions I get. Ebay should be adults only, emotional adults only. Tony ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23043	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

i have to agree,,is someone is willing to spend $400 on a car,,,,he must want it and can afford it,,, no one else should judge him, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony in Michigan" <flyertony@...> To: <mlmarmer@...> Cc: <hcopter51@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > I'm sorry but we are supposed to be adults and should be responsible for > our own actions. I can't imagine bidding $400 bucks on a beanie baby > because I don't know anything about them, no matter what the Ebay seller > might say about it. If you are not that familiar with Flyer but like it, > gain more experience! As a sometimes seller on Ebay I know there are some > very inexperienced buyers looking at Flyer based on some of the questions > I get. > > Ebay should be adults only, emotional adults only. > > Tony > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23044	From: John G	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Box Car without the Rocket car

Roy Plotnick <plotnick@u...> wrote: > .... I also have one of the boxcars for this pair without the rocket car. I have been looking for the rocket car so far without success. Roy, I've had the matching yellow rocket car since 1960 & I'm looking for a box car!! As a kid, I bought the rocket car at a hobby shop (in Jamestown, ND) & never could figure out why it didn't work. Forty years later I figured out the mystery - An article in Classic Toy Trains, explained that it was a part of a pair of cars meant to work together by the connecting electrical jumper! My guess is the hobby shop owner split up the Defender set & sold it peice meal. I've always wondered where it's mate is. I'm sure that the hobby shop owner had no idea what the complete Defender set would be worth years later. John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23045	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

The guy has posted a subscript...."it states that it is part of a set of two and is missing the other car, bottons, trips, etc".....Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23046	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

I noticed that the seller has now updated the item description, pointing out that the other car is missing. So, at least he was honest, after it was called to his attention. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <sgriggs@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > Absolutely true, as an uneducated person , new to the hobby overall, will > not know that the other car and rocket is missing. And the seller may not > say a word to that person, as he is laughing to himself, should that price > be reflective of a complete car set. > > Sort of like the Monon unloading car, in a way, without the platform. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <sgriggs@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:59 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > > > > It's no different than a car sitting on a train show table. Caveat > > emptor. > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > > John, > > > > > > I haven't heard from him on his listing of the AF 25056 and > > probably wont. > > > I feel for the person who wins > > > this car and pays allot for it, without the knowledge of the > > missing car and > > > hard to find rocket, if that should happen. Hopefully the winner > > is fully > > > aware of the missing piece, but I don't know that. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23047	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

I am happy that he changed his description of the car, to reflect the missing piece, as some of you didn't understand my point. In principle, the item was mis-represented and the man, if he didn't know about it, didn't to bother to write me back, questioning my email, as I wrote him a very polite and respectful email on it. Yes, to someone who knows AF, they will bid according to what the boxcar itself is worth and I can't answer that. To someone who doesn't know it is missing a major piece, the other car and rocket, may bid on it, with a bid based on the entire piece. Maybe a person might call someone and ask what a piece may be on the item number itself, if they had no books and were new into flyer like I was at one time. That's all. That was my whole purpose of this, not that it has a bid of 400 dollars and Tony, emotions has nothing to do with this. Something that reflect an item number whether a train, a auto part, a lamp kit, anything, should be reflective of everything in that box. That is it and I am done with it. I will email the seller and thank him for adding that bit about the car. Thank you and I will now "light my fire" with Jim Morrison playing in the background, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Brindell" <dbrindell@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > I noticed that the seller has now updated the item description, pointing out > that the other car is missing. So, at least he was honest, after it was > called to his attention. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <sgriggs@...> > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > > > > Absolutely true, as an uneducated person , new to the hobby overall, will > > not know that the other car and rocket is missing. And the seller may not > > say a word to that person, as he is laughing to himself, should that price > > be reflective of a complete car set. > > > > Sort of like the Monon unloading car, in a way, without the platform. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <sgriggs@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:59 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > > > > > > > It's no different than a car sitting on a train show table. Caveat > > > emptor. > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > > > John, > > > > > > > > I haven't heard from him on his listing of the AF 25056 and > > > probably wont. > > > > I feel for the person who wins > > > > this car and pays allot for it, without the knowledge of the > > > missing car and > > > > hard to find rocket, if that should happen. Hopefully the winner > > > is fully > > > > aware of the missing piece, but I don't know that. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23048	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: What about this one????

The description can't mislead.....Don't even know what it is.................. 3108106936 Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23049	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Fw: Question for seller -- Item #3106068528

I sent this email to GTO 74 about his auction. I just wanted to share it with you all. I hope you further understand why I wanted that description change. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <mlmarmer@...> To: <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: Question for seller -- Item #3106068528 Dear GTO 74, I want to thank you for adding that additional description to your auction of the item number 25056, as intended by AF, as a two piece car, with the other parts, especially the hard to find rocket, and the flat car and pieces are missing. Although, most of your bidders should know what they are bidding for, how do I know that a bidder will bid a price, based on the complete item number 25056 and use a guess price for the complete item, only to learn later they got something imcomplete. I was new in the hobby at one time and made mistakes in my purchases, due to my trust in the seller. That's all. I hope you understand, as your boxcar by itself looks great. How much should it go for by itself, I have no idea, the bidders will decide that with the knowledge of what you have,repesentative of the item number and I am happy that you did the right thing. If it was a complete set with rocket, I would say it would go for $650 or higher. I will let you know I have emailed sellers of AF, when I think they said something, that may hurt the o bidding for their item and I feel the piece is fine and they should change it. Domino hopper is one piece, that has a factory flaw, that is a normal thing,as many pieces have that and should not lower the price for it. Look at a picture of it from Greenberg, above the star. I have one like that and I accept that. Man was very happy to hear that, as he though that was a bad thing on the car. I feel it is not, due to others I have seen like that and the quality control was not to be found at AC Gilbert in 1966. I wish you the best, Sincerely, Mike > -------------------- > > > Question from: acadia100 > Title of item: American Flyer 25056 USM Boxcar (Exc Plus) > Seller: gto74 > Starts: Jan-07-03 19:00:00 PST > Ends: Jan-17-03 19:00:00 PST > Price: Currently $406.00 > To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3106068528 > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23050	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: What about this one

>The description can't mislead.....Don't even know what it is.................. 3108106936 Bob< Here's a case to prove that a picture is worth a thousand words. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23051	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyonel Announcement !

Lionel's 2003 Catalog 1 will announce the following AF products...... the largest number of Flyonel items ever announced in one year. We do not yet have photos to post, but we will add them to our website as soon as possible, along with ordering information. I CAN tell you that all catalog images appear to be exactly like the original AF items....there don't appear to be any 027 bodies being used here. I partcularly asked this about the crane and the depressed center flatcar. For FALL delivery, there will be a STEAM engine, probably in two differnt roadnames. No additional details at this time. For SPRING delivery, there will be: 1) Seaboard Baldwin switcher 2) ATSF Baldwin switcher 3) Operating Log Loader 4) Mystic Talking Station 5) Operating Baggage Smasher 6) Floodlight Tower 7) UP Operating "Moe & Joe" Lumber car 8) Brownhoist Crane 9) Matching Work Caboose 10) Seaboard Caboose, New Haven style 11) PFEX reefer 12) Burlington 3-bay coal hopper 13) SP flatcar with trailers 14) Chessie depressed-center reel car 15) Diamond Chemical tankcar 16) PRR boxcar Watch for further information from us, as well as additional info, photos, and pricing on our website as soon as we have it available. I DO know that the deadline for all pre-production orders (and the attendant discounts we will offer) will be approximately March 1. After that, there are no guarantees of availability, and no discount pricing. (b) The MTH version of the Checkerboard Bubbling Water Tower has arrived, and we have several in stock. The primary difference between this tower and the Flyonel tower is that MTH used the later plastic shed, while Lionel used the earlier metal shed. See "What's New" on our website, for a photo. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 New Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23052	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyonel Announcement !

--- Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: >>>> Lionel's 2003 Catalog 1 will announce the following AF products...... the largest number of Flyonel items ever announced in one year. For FALL delivery, there will be a STEAM engine,probably in two differnt roadnames......<<<< STEAM ENGINE????? I will believe it when YOU (Doug) actually get it in your hands. They told us about a steam engine a LONG time ago. I CAN'T honestly say that I hope it is true...but it sure sounds interesting. Regards, Dennis Miami __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23053	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Interesting (Filter/Capacitor

I'll agree with MOST of what was said below, but not with the $10 value estimate. I have one in my collection (actually, a better looking one than the one pictured on Ebay), and it is, in fact, a stock capacitor from that era, to which an AF sticker has been attached. To the AF COLLECTOR, it is a VERY unique item. I have shown mine to a couple of big-name AF collectors and dealers in the New England area, and none of them have ever seen one or had one for sale before. I agree that it has no "intrinsic" value, and would be of NO interest to a non-collector, but to the AF collector.....try to find one! (BUT......$600 IS a bit much, I think! It will be interesting to see where this one ends !) Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted. <<<<<< All that is, is a big capacitor with an American Flyer sticker attached. It was used to filter DC to help aleviate static to radios and TV sets. Uncataloged in 1950. Worth about $10.00 as a collectors item. From: "lou342ac <lou342ac@...>" <lou342ac@...> Subject: Interesting I saw this item on e-bay and found the buy it now price of $600.00 intersting. What equipment is this filter used on? Does anyone know the the original cost of this item. Curious in Cedar Beach. Lou http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3107788338 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:03:35 -0500 From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> Subject: RE: Interesting It is a filter that could be used it you were using a rectiformer or DC rectifer for track power to keep the hum out of 342ac whistle or 362 diesel horn speaker. Bacically it is a large filter capacitor. What's it worth? What ever somebody will pay? Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23054	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyonel

>>>> Lionel's 2003 Catalog 1 will announce the following AF products...... the largest number of Flyonel items ever announced in one year. For FALL delivery, there will be a STEAM engine,probably in two differnt roadnames......<<<< <<<<<STEAM ENGINE????? I will believe it when YOU (Doug) actually get it in your hands. They told us about a steam engine a LONG time ago. I CAN'T honestly say that I hope it is true...but it sure sounds interesting. >>>>> Don't shoot the messenger, Dennis! I only reported what I understand (from Lionel rep) is announced in the upcoming catalog.....who knows what might end up being cancelled......for whatever reasons ! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23055	From: Tony in Michigan	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

I do agree that the number should represent something but Ebay is a place where you have to assume the seller either doesn't know or is out to stiff you. Hey, how many fakes have you seen at TCA meets? I have seen plenty some not even marked as reproductions. Now I will go off and listen to the Animals playing It's My Life! Tony On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:39:44 -0500 "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> writes: > I am happy that he changed his description of the car, to reflect > the > missing piece, as some of you didn't understand my point. In > principle, the > item was mis-represented and the man, if he didn't know about it, > didn't to > bother to write me back, questioning my email, as I wrote him a very > polite > and respectful email on it. > > Yes, to someone who knows AF, they will bid according to what the > boxcar > itself is worth and I can't answer that. > > To someone who doesn't know it is missing a major piece, the other > car and > rocket, may bid on it, with a bid based on the entire piece. Maybe > a person > might call someone and ask what a piece may be on the item number > itself, if > they had no books and were new into flyer like I was at one time. > That's > all. > > That was my whole purpose of this, not that it has a bid of 400 > dollars and > Tony, emotions has nothing to do with this. Something that reflect > an item > number whether a train, a auto part, a lamp kit, anything, should > be > reflective of everything in that box. That is it and I am done with > it. > > I will email the seller and thank him for adding that bit about the > car. > > Thank you and I will now "light my fire" with Jim Morrison playing > in the > background, > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Brindell" <dbrindell@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > > > > I noticed that the seller has now updated the item description, > pointing > out > > that the other car is missing. So, at least he was honest, after > it was > > called to his attention. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <sgriggs@...> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > > > > > > > Absolutely true, as an uneducated person , new to the hobby > overall, > will > > > not know that the other car and rocket is missing. And the > seller may > not > > > say a word to that person, as he is laughing to himself, should > that > price > > > be reflective of a complete car set. > > > > > > Sort of like the Monon unloading car, in a way, without the > platform. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <sgriggs@...> > > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:59 PM > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > > > > > > > > > > It's no different than a car sitting on a train show table. > Caveat > > > > emptor. > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> > wrote: > > > > > John, > > > > > > > > > > I haven't heard from him on his listing of the AF 25056 and > > > > probably wont. > > > > > I feel for the person who wins > > > > > this car and pays allot for it, without the knowledge of > the > > > > missing car and > > > > > hard to find rocket, if that should happen. Hopefully the > winner > > > > is fully > > > > > aware of the missing piece, but I don't know that. > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23056	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: U.P.R.R Auction Prime Time Auctions Jan 22

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23057	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item

Hi Tony, It was just the principle of the use of the number basically without clarifying the missing stuff. That's all and I am glad it is done. Yes, fakes are a problem, why I buy from people I know and now trust. I was taken by a well known guy once in PA for the C&O Gondola with the red pipes. Paid allot for pipes with the letter R on the inside! At least the R was inside, but I didn't know to look for that inside of those pipes. I didn't know about reproductions at the time and he didn't tell me. I was the sucker that PT Barnum wrote about and never again. I hope you understand a little more why I wanted that change on the description and why I felt strong about it. Don't forget the "House of the Rising Sun"! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony in Michigan" <flyertony@...> To: <mlmarmer@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <dbrindell@...> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > I do agree that the number should represent something but Ebay is a place > where you have to assume the seller either doesn't know or is out to > stiff you. Hey, how many fakes have you seen at TCA meets? I have seen > plenty some not even marked as reproductions. Now I will go off and > listen to the Animals playing It's My Life! > > Tony > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:39:44 -0500 "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> writes: > > I am happy that he changed his description of the car, to reflect > > the > > missing piece, as some of you didn't understand my point. In > > principle, the > > item was mis-represented and the man, if he didn't know about it, > > didn't to > > bother to write me back, questioning my email, as I wrote him a very > > polite > > and respectful email on it. > > > > Yes, to someone who knows AF, they will bid according to what the > > boxcar > > itself is worth and I can't answer that. > > > > To someone who doesn't know it is missing a major piece, the other > > car and > > rocket, may bid on it, with a bid based on the entire piece. Maybe > > a person > > might call someone and ask what a piece may be on the item number > > itself, if > > they had no books and were new into flyer like I was at one time. > > That's > > all. > > > > That was my whole purpose of this, not that it has a bid of 400 > > dollars and > > Tony, emotions has nothing to do with this. Something that reflect > > an item > > number whether a train, a auto part, a lamp kit, anything, should > > be > > reflective of everything in that box. That is it and I am done with > > it. > > > > I will email the seller and thank him for adding that bit about the > > car. > > > > Thank you and I will now "light my fire" with Jim Morrison playing > > in the > > background, > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Brindell" <dbrindell@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > > > > > > > I noticed that the seller has now updated the item description, > > pointing > > out > > > that the other car is missing. So, at least he was honest, after > > it was > > > called to his attention. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <sgriggs@...> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely true, as an uneducated person , new to the hobby > > overall, > > will > > > > not know that the other car and rocket is missing. And the > > seller may > > not > > > > say a word to that person, as he is laughing to himself, should > > that > > price > > > > be reflective of a complete car set. > > > > > > > > Sort of like the Monon unloading car, in a way, without the > > platform. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <sgriggs@...> > > > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:59 PM > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Another mis-lead Ebay item > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's no different than a car sitting on a train show table. > > Caveat > > > > > emptor. > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> > > wrote: > > > > > > John, > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't heard from him on his listing of the AF 25056 and > > > > > probably wont. > > > > > > I feel for the person who wins > > > > > > this car and pays allot for it, without the knowledge of > > the > > > > > missing car and > > > > > > hard to find rocket, if that should happen. Hopefully the > > winner > > > > > is fully > > > > > > aware of the missing piece, but I don't know that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23058	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1719

The pink or blue foam sheets can be cut with a knife if the sheets are not too thick. It may take several swipes to go all the way through. They can also be cut wit a saw, although this will produce a lot of granular dust that is very tenacious and hard to get rid of. The best way to cut these sheets and the only satisfactory way to cut the white "pebble board" sheets is with a hot wire cutter, which melts its way through the foam and seals the cut edges. Small hand held cutters can be purchased hobby shops. I once made my own for cutting full size sheets up to 24 inches thick by stretching a nichrome wire on a frame attached to a a large work table. I tied the wire to insulating eggs at each end and used springs to hold the eggs to the frame so that the wire was kept in tension. The wire was powered from a 0 - 5 volt 35 amp power supply and I adjusted the power until the wire could be seen to faintly glow. Clamping a board to the bench to act as a fence allowed me to rip uniform pieces of any width needed. The huge pieces of foam be used as set pieces in the pilot episode for an unsold children's health and exercise show. > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:36:40 -0600 > From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> > Subject: Cutting sheets of foam (was Green plywood allergies: help!) > > Dear Paul and others: > > How do you cut foam? > > With my carpentry skills I have always looked at foam as a weight reduction > technique. Therefore perfect for modules. However, I will start > considering foam for the primary layout. > > I drive a small hatchback that does not hold an intact 4' * 8' sheet of > plywood. I can get the lumberyards to reduce my plywood to 2' * 8' strips > or less. That I can haul home and even close the the rear. > The sick plywood that started this thread was reduced by Home Depot to 4 > boards where each are 1' * 8'. One of these is still intact and stored in > the garage. The other boards were further reduced so I had 3 boards 4 > inches wide and 3 boards 8 inches wide. > Normally I cut my plywood by drawing a line on the board and then using > a hand circular saw with a plywood blade. (Odd shapes are cut either by > hand or by saber saw.) > I then cut and fit the boards into the layout. These latter cuts are > done with various people-powered hand saws. > > How would I reduce a 2 or 3 inch thick sheet of 4' * 8' foam to strips 8 > feet long? These strips need to be between 3 and 8 inches wide. > > Thorin > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23059	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: NY Times Letter to the Editor

I just sent this letter to the editor at the NY Times in response to their article, found at: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/15/nyregion/15MODE.html?ex=1043654188&ei=1&en =663a6f117b92b97a In "Graying, and Playing With Trains" (January 15, New York Region), Terry Pristin paints a somber and rather sad picture of the state of model railroading as a hobby fallen from grace in a manner paralleling it's prototype, the American system of railroads. And in a bit of Manhattan parochialism, the author cites the genteel decay of two 45th. Street trainshops as a paradigm for the hobby. In fact, the shops in question were long ago abandoned by serious hobbyists because their offerings are overpriced and their service is non-existent. Employees are gruff and sometimes downright obnoxious. I have experienced this on several occasions and now no longer visit these stores. While Terry Pristin has done research into the demographics of the hobby, the author has missed the mission of the hobbiests. In chat rooms, mail lists and the dozens of publications we read, discussion about young people entering the hobby remains high. Yes, we are getting older, but we are also getting wiser. The torch we will pass to a new generation of train enthusiasts will be backed by more toy and model trains than were ever produced in the earlier golden age of toy trains. Lionel produces simple starter sets for kids and exotic computer controlled locomotives with sound systems, smoke generators and literally, all the bells and whistles, for those kids to grow into. Years ago, Lionel's competitor was American Flyer. Today it's MTH, K-Line, Williams, Weaver, Atlas 0, and more. I invite this author to accompany me on a pilgrimage to York, Pennsylvania this Spring, to join as many as 18,000 aficionados and manufacturers in the greatest bi-annual spectacle in model railroading, the Train Collector's Association Eastern Division Meet. The acres of trains being displayed and sold there might give the writer a different perspective on the health of the hobby than is reflected in the peeling paint of the 45th. Street shops. But then, so would a visit to any of the thriving stores in Queens, Brooklyn, Staten Island, Nassau, Suffolk and much of New Jersey. In Nassau, two well stocked train stores not only do big business within two miles of each other, they both recently expanded their locations. In Mineola and adjacent New Hyde Park, four train stores share the market, and one just moved to larger quarters. In a time when we are promoting model railroading as the World's Greatest Hobby, it seems that this sad little article is a virtual slap in the face of our success so far. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23060	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Cutting Foam/ Blatant add

Hi Thorin, I just bought a foam hot wire cutter called the Tippi, from the Louisville GATS. It comes with 2 long wires about 3 inches long to cut thicker foam or to bend and make your own tip for cutting designs into the foam such as brick or block patterns. It came with a total of 6 tips that are changeable. This was a 56.00 dollar value for 39.95 at the show. The "Tippi" was so impressing we have decided to become a distributor / retailer. The cost is 39.95 plus 5.00 Shipping. You can contact Premium concepts at Premconcepts@.... We should be ordering our first order in 2- 3 weeks. The guy who makes these had 50 of them at the Louisville show and all but 5 were gone the first day. Before the show opened he was demonstrating it to my wife Beth, she ordered me to go get the check book, and the 4 others also sold to people who had just wandered up. Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23061	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: NY Times Letter to the Editor

Bravo Chris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Times tends to exhibit what Spiro Agnew once termed as the media penchant for "the nattering nabobs of negativism". I too have visited the 2 stores which you charitably have not mentioned and experienced the same service level. Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23062	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Resolution of the green plywood problem

To all that responded, Thanks. I have taken your advice: the new plywood is out of my house. I also evicted the normal wood I purchased on that trip in October. (For those of you joining this story in progress, I purchased a sheet of plywood in October which had gotten wet. It has been slowly drying out in my basement ever since. As it dries out it is releasing sap and other 'things' into the air. This has been making my family and I sick. Also, I used the term 'green' to imply 'new' or 'not seasoned'. Many people got excited and thought I meant 'green' as in 'insecticide treated'. THAT stuff is toxic and dangerous. The leftovers from the kid's sandbox project lives in the garage.) I build my layouts from plywood, small blocks of real wood, and screws. No glue. Occasionally I use a longer board of real wood. This board is used with the plywood to form a 'T' and it can span up to 8 feet. This morning I went down, removed all of the screws, and tossed the wood onto the patio behind my house. This section of the layout is just a 'get from here to there' without scenery. It is a connector. I will rebuild this connector only this time I will use either old pine or hardwoods. The new challenge is to find a source for hardwood plywood and other boards in the Milwaukee, WI area. But that is my problem. Thanks again for all of the help. My family is feeling better already. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23063	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: NY Times Letter to the Editor

WTG, Chris. Let's hope they print your letter. (Be sure to post any response! :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23064	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Though for ebay

I got this from a industry website I visit and here is their thought for the day, which I think can apply to ebay or any other seller or buyer of trains or anything in life. Thought for Today: "Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught." -J. C. Watts We are as entertaining and as morally uplifting as a train wreck. "The sum of the Foodservice World from which all lesser luminaries borrow light." (thanks, P.T. Barnum) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23065	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: Thought for ebay

The other two thoughts are not related to J.C. Watts, but I thought the train one was neat for any discussion group or maybe not. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Though for ebay > I got this from a industry website I visit and here is their thought for the day, which I think can apply to ebay or any other seller or buyer of trains or anything in life. > > Thought for Today: > "Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught." > -J. C. Watts > > We are as entertaining and as morally uplifting as a train wreck. > > "The sum of the Foodservice World from which all lesser luminaries borrow light." (thanks, P.T. Barnum) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23066	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: Though for ebay

Hi Mike, As a daily observer of this list and EBay, have noticed your crusade against your perceived wrong doing on EBay. Until EBay appeared, with pictures for me to look at, memories to recapture, and ultimately, an opportunity to build apon and recreate my childhood American Flyer collections, I was unable to find AF at all. EBay, as life, has its share of people that we all find less than honorable, but for the most part I have found most people dealing on EBay to be both honest and friendly. EVERYONE who observes an auction has the opportunity to ask any specific questions pertaining to condition, missing parts, reproduced parts, etc. Most sellers will provide additional pictures if requested, so for the most part, any person before placing a bid has the opportunity to resolve any issues PRIOR placing a bid to purchase the piece. We all on this list from time to time, have a good laugh at a peticular auction placed on EBay, most can remember the "Mint" pieces that are broken beyond recognition, along with many other auctions that make one laugh at the descriptions. We are not the EBAY Police, so lighten up and enjoy the hobby that youve chosen. Learn all you can from EBay, IMHO, values are truely set there, not in the TM or Greenburg books we all have. Most importantly, a certain piece, regardless of its conditon, may have more of a value to an individual, more so than the books say its worth. I certainly wont tell you what you should or shouldnt pay for a piece you wish to add to your collection, or what it may be worth to you. The people on this list, along with myself, are happy to share our thoughts of value, but ultimately, the price paid is what the bidder feels it is worth to them. Good Luck with your American Flyer, Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23067	From: mlmarmer	Date: 1/16/2003
Subject: Re: Though for ebay

Hi Tom, Thanks for the message and I respect your view. I am all for Ebay, and I have purchased some great AF and other things, not related to trains at all, in the past. I have made a great friendship with a great seller of AF on Ebay, one of the best, with high marks and allot of sales. I am happy that we have this way to see trains and things in all part of the country and I even got AF from a great seller in Canada. I also wrote in a S-list email, that I point things out to sellers on Ebay when I feel they wrote something that could hurt the bid to be lower than it should be and hopefully, the seller will get a possible higher sell for them if they correct the descriptions with the reasons why. I.E. The Domino Hopper I wrote about. I wasn't asking for much for the item in question, just add the neccessary information. Had nothing to do with money per say, just that I didn't want to see someone win that on a bid based on the complete item. Sorry, if I cause the entire Ebay system to crash. I have no cursade against Ebay and if you took it that way, then I am sorry. My email to him was very polite, non-threatening and one email only to him, one. And I will tell, money is not the issue with me for AF, anywhere, as I pay allot more, at times for AF, that are for a one of a kind and may never be seen again, in a certain condition, like LN and Mint. I had no problems about the money of the bid for the piece as represented by itself, if represented correctly. Someone wrote me about AF fakes. Wish someone told me about those Brown pipes on a C&O gondola, that I paid more than Greenberg in 1993, when I got that from a well know dealer, and the pipes were repro's and I had no idea about repro parts, at the time and he didn't say a word nor was it written on the tag. Yes, I was too new in this hobby in 1993 and very excited about buying more, as I had very little AF, like you, as a child, too. My wife and I search for AF and did it too fast. Made mistakes. And I didn't want someone to do what I did with that AF 25056. And I am still learning, with books and emails on this list, and writing to people like you to share thoughts about stuff. I email my question to the group and many responded to me, mostly negetive to me and I think it is fair to let me respond to those, like your email. I have no anger with anyone. I did not bother this man again on this issue, while you all responded to my first email and the others, as I responded back to the many who wrote. I did thank GTO 74, the seller, after he changed the description. I collect things for enjoyment, not for investment purposes, by the way. But, I want things to be represented the way they should be. I wish you well with your AF collection also, maybe someday I could say hello to you, as I hope to do some traveling to Florida, in retirement days, to see more of Spring Training. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23068	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: NY Times Letter to the Editor

Way to go, Chris!!!! Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23069	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Club Meetings?

S Friends: I'm curious as to how the various clubs out there handle their meeting locations. Do they have a clubhouse, do they move around to different member's houses, do they pay rent, do they get a donation of space, is their layout permanently mounted, is their layout stored in pieces? Stuff like that. I thought it might generate some discussion and ideas if we share this information. Jeff Madden — do you think it might be worthy of an article in the Dispatch? For the record: the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers in Boise, Idaho have a donation of storage area for our portable layout from a local government, and we can assemble the layout during a meeting to work on it. We try to repay the donation by volunteering our layout for the annual Depot celebration (City sponsored). We also meet occasionally at members' homes to view a personal layout, have a clinic, watch videos, etc. We would like to find an "angel" to donate a meeting area where we can leave the layout assembled between meetings. What do the rest of you do? Thanks, John Eichmann, Coordinator RMHR Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23070	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Bidding against s-list members

I have come across this situation many times and would like to know how the people here feel. When you see an item on ebay that you would like to bid on and you see that another member of this list(or anyone else you know) has the current high bid, what do you do? Do you pass,bid, or wait until they may no longer are the high bidder and THEN bid? Thoughts?,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23071	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members

Good question...depends on how much you want it!!! There have been times I have backed off an item when I saw someone else bidding on it too...But if I really want it...I go for it!!!!...They would...I remember a case years ago...two of the same item up...two of us bidding...we got together and I bid on one...he the other by mutual agreement...we both got our items and at a lower price....Alls fair in Love and War...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <hcopter51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Bidding against s-list members > I have come across this situation many times and would like to know > how the people here feel. When you see an item on ebay that you would > like to bid on and you see that another member of this list(or anyone > else you know) has the current high bid, what do you do? Do you > pass,bid, or wait until they may no longer are the high bidder and > THEN bid? Thoughts?,John B. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23072	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Bidding against s-list members

I never bid against another member. I just don't need anything that bad. (That second part was a lie! LOL!) I would hope if I had the bid, someone on the list would back off or contact me about how bad I did or didn't want the item. Just my 25cents worth. Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23073	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Selling sets vs. individual items?

Is it better (aka more "profitable" or "cost effective") to sell or buy an AF set as a whole than to sell or buy individual items? Where would someone find set numbers? How do would you know that all pieces of a set are intact? What if some pieces of a set are in better shape than other items? What if there are no boxes? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23074	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: 332ac

How hard is it to find and replace the missing rear truck on a 332ac Northern? Can the running gear be repaired easily? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23075	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: American Flyer 2 Car NYC Add-on set

I just want to thank all the wonderful people on the site. The emails that I got, got me this set. It arrived today in the Brown Truck from Joe's Train Repair in North Carolina. Now I have a Dining Car and extra coach for my Century.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23076	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members

Well, guys on the list also sell! A seller is hoping for a fair price, but that could be influenced by this "not bidding against list members" thing. Last I checked, this list has over 500 members, which must represent a sizable portion of the active Flyer guys around. The last time this subject came up, I made a statement that started one heck of a discussion, so I will make it again and be practice target for a while! :-) "I like you guys a lot, but if I notice you are bidding on a item that I really want, you better stay out of my way!" :-) Actually, someone I know took an auction from me last week in the last 30 seconds when I was at work. I wasn't real happy, but ended up getting the same item, in better condition, for a few bucks more a couple days later. Sometimes things just work out the way they are supposed to....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23077	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1721

Just purchased a large A.F. Collection. I have a #766 animated station with no car and a # 736 operating cattle car with no stock yard. Looking for someone that has a stockyard and a #735 operating coach. I believe we could do some trading. contact me off line. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23078	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: NP reefers

Much thanks to all who answered my query regarding NP reefers. I can now buy three different cars in the yellow paint scheme. Next item on the agenda is to find ouy whether anyone know anything about the green cars. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23079	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members

Any S-list members who sell on ebay or other auction sites should take heed of some of the previous comments on this board. You may want to consider using the private auction function so bidders don't know who they're bidding against. Getting together with other buyers to keep auction prices low is not only unethical, it is known as collusion or bid rigging and is illegal in most if not all states. Sooner or later two or more members of this list are going to want the same item. People should bid what they are willing to pay. Think about who you may be cheating the next time you agree not to bid on something. Get a new screen name if you don't want people to know who you are. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23080	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1721

Chris, are you going to be at the Indy GATS this weekend? If so, I would like to see this foam cutter. I will try to get to the show on Sunday. Vic Bereskin > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:26:29 EST > From: Cbtrainnut1@... > Subject: Cutting Foam/ Blatant add > > Hi Thorin, > I just bought a foam hot wire cutter called the Tippi, from the Louisville > GATS. It comes with 2 long wires about 3 inches long to cut thicker foam or > to bend and make your own tip for cutting designs into the foam such as brick > or block patterns. It came with a total of 6 tips that are changeable. This > was a 56.00 dollar value for 39.95 at the show. > The "Tippi" was so impressing we have decided to become a distributor / > retailer. The cost is 39.95 plus 5.00 Shipping. You can contact Premium > concepts at Premconcepts@.... We should be ordering our first order in 2- > 3 weeks. > The guy who makes these had 50 of them at the Louisville show and all but 5 > were gone the first day. Before the show opened he was demonstrating it to my > wife Beth, she ordered me to go get the check book, and the 4 others also > sold to people who had just wandered up. > > Chris The Trainnut >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23081	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 19, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23082	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members

So whats the difference between chosing not to bid on something and SNIPING? Both mess with the final outcome...To me sniping is wrong. I have lost several auctions in the last few seconds...by a few cents...with no time left to bid....I also collect model airplane kits and there are times when I back off because I know the other guy wants it a lot more than I do...I have also e-mailed others to let them know about an auction I found, in case they are interested...Really there is no real answer to this question...there are two sides...The only right way to bid IS TO NOT LIST THE OTHER BIDDERS AND EXTEND AUCTIONS if a bid comes in at the last few seconds.....Bob BTW...To stir the pot more...."I read somewhere about a sniping game...seems its quite a rush to see just how close you can come to the end....and still lose!!!!!" Where did I put my stopwatch???....Down to 2 seconds.... BTW2...If a "Aeronca" Speedee bilt comes up....KATY BAR THE DOOR!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <kenwoodies@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bidding against s-list members > Any S-list members who sell on ebay or other auction sites should > take heed of some of the previous comments on this board. You may > want to consider using the private auction function so bidders don't > know who they're bidding against. Getting together with other buyers > to keep auction prices low is not only unethical, it is known as > collusion or bid rigging and is illegal in most if not all states. > Sooner or later two or more members of this list are going to want > the same item. People should bid what they are willing to pay. Think > about who you may be cheating the next time you agree not to bid on > something. Get a new screen name if you don't want people to know > who you are. Jim Duncan > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23083	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members

Bid what you are willing to pay and don't worry about who else is bidding. Auctions that are artificially low for reasons like this are likely to be sniped by a third party--then neither you nor your S- trains buddy will get the item. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Brockmann <hcopter51@a...>" <hcopter51@a...> wrote: > I have come across this situation many times and would like to know > how the people here feel. When you see an item on ebay that you would > like to bid on and you see that another member of this list(or anyone > else you know) has the current high bid, what do you do? Do you > pass,bid, or wait until they may no longer are the high bidder and > THEN bid? Thoughts?,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23084	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Sniping

When you are sniped, you never know how much the other party bid. You know e-Bay only posts the bid as one incerment above the highest prior bid. He could have bid $50.00 more, but it would not show. All you know is that his bid came in way late to just get under the wire. As they've said, put in a bid of as much as you care to pay, and take your chances. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23085	From: Antiques_TheShoppe at Ebay	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members

As a retired auctioneer and serious AF collector for over 40 years, I have to say Amen to everything Jim said. "Brother-in-lawing" or bid rigging is not only unlawful in every state, but against federal regulation. The only "true value" of any item under federal law is the price it will bring at public auction in an "open and free market". This holds true as to IRS regulations as to how much can be declared as a deduction on taxes for donating an item to a museum or other charitable organization. Therefore, any action that limits the "open and free market" aspect is illegal under federal law. As an auctioneer, I have seen numerous friendships ruined over the hard feelings that develope later as results of refraining from bidding against a friend. I have yet to see a friendship ruined because of bidding against a friend at a live auction. Those who attend auctions on a regular basis bid on items they want no matter who else is bidding. I have seen persons arrive at an auction in one car and sit side-by-side all day long. They may both bid on the same item several times during a day. There was a time back in the 60s when a newspaper ad in a major city offering to buy American Flyer trains would result in several calls. Most asked less for the trains than the plywood that supported them were worth. This day is gone. The only place left to get the old original items at a reasonable price is through eBay. Any dealer who is pricing lower than regular eBay prices is not going to be in business long, because they will eventually run out of stock and not be able to replace it. Prices at eBay are in line with what I was getting for like items at the time of my retirement. If AF prices at auctions in your area are lower than eBay you should grab them all and use those items for "trading stock" with someone who has something you want. If I want something, I am going to bid my absolute top price, no matter who else is bidding. Just wait until you pass up bidding because a friend is bidding and then see that someone out bid him by $1.00 in the last 30 seconds and you missed out at a price half what you were willing to pay. See how long you call him a friend. If you suddenly become bedfast and decide to have your wife sell your AF collection on eBay. How many of those so called friends will still be your friends if you find out they got together and divided up your collection so as not to bid against each other. All is fair in Love, War and Auctions!!!!! While I am on the soapbox -- Everyone must remember that by far the largest percentage of sellers on eBay are persons who are scouring yard sales, auctions and flea markets throughout the countryside looking for something they think they may be able to make a profit on. Very few of them are experts on the items they sell. You can see this bu clicking to see their other auctions. There may be a couple AF pieces, a pressed glass bowl, silver candlestands, etc. Few know exactly what the piece looked like when it was new. They can only go by what it looks like to them today. When I see something that I consider mis-represented, I click "ask the seller a question" and point it out to the seller. If he then takes no action it is time to start yelling about him. However 98% of the time he will fix the listing. Just because someone sells on eBay does not mean he is a crook until proved otherwise, as some seem to think. Jerry Hiett === On Fri 01/17, kenwoodies@... wrote: To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bidding against s-list members Any S-list members who sell on ebay or other auction sites should take heed of some of the previous comments on this board. You may want to consider using the private auction function so bidders don't know who they're bidding against. Getting together with other buyers to keep auction prices low is not only unethical, it is known as collusion or bid rigging and is illegal in most if not all states. Sooner or later two or more members of this list are going to want the same item. People should bid what they are willing to pay. Think about who you may be cheating the next time you agree not to bid on something. Get a new screen name if you don't want people to know who you are. Jim Duncan _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23086	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: AOL & Ebay???

Good lord!! AOL owns Ebay now?? When did THAT happen??? Or are they just a sponsor??? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23087	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: AOL & Ebay???

**((Rick, what are you talking about? Keith))** --- Rick Evans wrote: > Good lord!! AOL owns Ebay now?? When did THAT > happen??? > Or are they just a sponsor??? Sorry Keith and all,...I should have explained it better!! The regular pages of AF goodies, doesn't show it,...but when I hit an auction link from a email outbid notice,...once it took me to the page at ebay,..across the top it mentions AOL's Home and Garden, or close to it,... then it says,.."AOL presents----EBAY"....(the ebay logo). What the heck does that mean?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23088	From: eric.reis	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: Club Meetings?

John and others: I am the manager (for lack of a better word) for the Greater Seattle S Gaugers. We are a group that gets togeather at each others houses about 9 times a year if I can get enough people to volunteer a house. If we can we try to mix in an SN3 layout to visit, or mayby another size layout. You can learn and enjoy from any size. We decided long ago ( I go back to 1980, the group goes back to the early 70's) there were to be No officers, No actual rules, No Dues, etc. I set up meetings and 10 or so of the 35+ on the email list show up at that time. We have a good time , play trains, talk, each pay a token door fee to help pay for the homeowners supplying refreshments, and go back to our own lives for another month. In 1980 iwas the youngest in the group and 22 years later I probably still am except now I am in my 50's. we have a mix of Flyer collectors, Flyer operators, Highrail types, scale types, one 2-rail O gauge guy, one Lionel O guy, and now an S and O narrow gauge guy. We don't really have anyone with the motivation to start a clubhouse type layout or even a group layout for shows. I always think of Battlestar Gallactia with its "Rag-Tag group of space ships". Thats our sort of group with a range from excellent layouts to minimal layouts, scale to flyer and beyond. I know I don't have the time with my work but most seem happy with just the monthly meetings. The other problem is that a couple of or members with layouts have passed away and a couple more have moved to warmer (dryer) climates. Just some thoughts Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: JOHN EICHMANN [mailto:jeichmann@...] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 7:52 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: nasgdispatch@... Subject: [S-Trains] Club Meetings? S Friends: I'm curious as to how the various clubs out there handle their meeting locations. Do they have a clubhouse, do they move around to different member's houses, do they pay rent, do they get a donation of space, is their layout permanently mounted, is their layout stored in pieces? Stuff like that. I thought it might generate some discussion and ideas if we share this information. Jeff Madden — do you think it might be worthy of an article in the Dispatch? For the record: the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers in Boise, Idaho have a donation of storage area for our portable layout from a local government, and we can assemble the layout during a meeting to work on it. We try to repay the donation by volunteering our layout for the annual Depot celebration (City sponsored). We also meet occasionally at members' homes to view a personal layout, have a clinic, watch videos, etc. We would like to find an "angel" to donate a meeting area where we can leave the layout assembled between meetings. What do the rest of you do? Thanks, John Eichmann, Coordinator RMHR Boise S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23089	From: jahoozdumm	Date: 1/17/2003
Subject: Re: AOL & Ebay???

Rick Evans wrote; >then it says,.."AOL presents----EBAY"....(the ebay logo). >What the heck does that mean?? Not sure what it means these days, but in the late '90s, when "Almost On Line" was my isp, Aol made a deal with ebay to the tune of some $12 million. Aol devised what came to be recognized as a scheme for herding their customers to ebay, and a particularly insulting way of informing said customers, especially those who frequented Aol's many "communities" of interests, such as those discussing our beloved hobby. For years, Aol members could post "for sale" messages in the regular discussion groups. There was even a special group devoted to "for sale" posts exclusively. Then, one day ('round about late 1998 as I recall), folks' "for sale" messages were being deleted by the "board monitors" that Aol unleashed on their unsuspecting customers. At first, the reason given was that Aol was receiving "complaints" about so many "for sale" messages. When Aol began receiving humongous piles of real complaints from customers angry about their posts being deleted, Aol explained that they were trying to make the boards "more intuitive". What was so counter- intuitive about "for sale" posts advertising trains in a discussion board about trains? Aol could never give a coherent answer to that question, at least not to me, a contributor to that afore-mentioned pile of complaints. Most of us (Aol customers) on the boards suspected an ulterior motive for the deletions, and as time wore on it became painfully clear what the real motive was. You see, there was ONE type of "for sale" post which would suvive the board monitors' delete key. You guessed it, any post including a link to an ebay auction. Somehow, THAT made everything "intuitive", you see. Aol's real intent was, of course, to "encourage" their customers to use ebay instead of simply offering items for sale on the boards. I'm not so sure which was more aggravating, Aol's manipulation, or their expectation that nobody would see through them. In any case :^), it cost them this customer. As for ebay, yes I've used it, with mixed results. It isn't necessarily the seller's paradise that some think it is. I auctioned a like-new AF Southern Railway set a couple years ago that should've brought me $300 minimum. Got only $225 for it (much less than I paid), minus ebay charges. Oh well, the buyer bought it to replace a set he lost in a fire, so I don't begrudge him the deal. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23090	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Trains in KC

I will be in North Kansas City the next couple of weeks, is there any thing interesting going on next weekend in the area relating to model trains? Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23091	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: AOL & Ebay???

I think your explaination may lie in this article: http://news.com.com/2100-1017-230464.html?legacy=cnet Us non-aol'ers don't see it through the AOL window. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <eighthmile@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:56 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AOL & Ebay??? > > > > Rick Evans wrote; > > > > >then it says,.."AOL presents----EBAY"....(the ebay logo). > > >What the heck does that mean?? > > > > Not sure what it means these days, but in the late '90s, when "Almost > > On Line" was my isp, Aol made a deal with ebay to the tune of some > > $12 million. Aol devised what came to be recognized as a scheme for > > herding their customers to ebay, and a particularly insulting way of > > informing said customers, especially those who frequented Aol's > > many "communities" of interests, such as those discussing our beloved > > hobby. For years, Aol members could post "for sale" messages in the > > regular discussion groups. There was even a special group devoted > > to "for sale" posts exclusively. Then, one day ('round about late > > 1998 as I recall), folks' "for sale" messages were being deleted by > > the "board monitors" that Aol unleashed on their unsuspecting > > customers. At first, the reason given was that Aol was > > receiving "complaints" about so many "for sale" messages. When Aol > > began receiving humongous piles of real complaints from customers > > angry about their posts being deleted, Aol explained that they were > > trying to make the boards "more intuitive". What was so counter- > > intuitive about "for sale" posts advertising trains in a discussion > > board about trains? Aol could never give a coherent answer to that > > question, at least not to me, a contributor to that afore-mentioned > > pile of complaints. Most of us (Aol customers) on the boards > > suspected an ulterior motive for the deletions, and as time wore on > > it became painfully clear what the real motive was. > > > > You see, there was ONE type of "for sale" post which would suvive the > > board monitors' delete key. You guessed it, any post including a link > > to an ebay auction. Somehow, THAT made everything "intuitive", you > > see. Aol's real intent was, of course, to "encourage" their customers > > to use ebay instead of simply offering items for sale on the boards. > > > > I'm not so sure which was more aggravating, Aol's manipulation, or > > their expectation that nobody would see through them. In any > > case :^), it cost them this customer. > > > > As for ebay, yes I've used it, with mixed results. It isn't > > necessarily the seller's paradise that some think it is. I auctioned > > a like-new AF Southern Railway set a couple years ago that should've > > brought me $300 minimum. Got only $225 for it (much less than I > > paid), minus ebay charges. Oh well, the buyer bought it to replace a > > set he lost in a fire, so I don't begrudge him the deal. > > > > > > Chuck F. > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23092	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members

Kudos to Jerry Hiett for the most coherent answer. I would only add that when two buyers decide to each bid on separate items so as to not conflict, that is not bid rigging. If my friend is going for the boxcar and I go for the tanker, it's still an open market between us and the rest of the bidders. However, I don't mind mixing it up in an auction against friends. Later, I may be able to trade him something for the piece he won! Think of it like lawyers in court. Outside, they can be the best of friends, but in court they are adversaries and do their best to outwit each other. (This is only an example, please lets not go down a lawyer thread now.) Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23093	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: ebay Angst - Blatant Ad

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23094	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Club Meetings?

In a message dated 1/18/03 12:21:30 AM, finnhill@... writes: << I am the manager (for lack of a better word) for the Greater Seattle S Gaugers. >> What, a post that has NOTHING to do with ebay? Oh, Heavens! :-) RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23095	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members

Chris..........Thanks...what you said is what I ment... " I would only add that when two buyers decide to each bid on separate items > so as to not conflict, that is not bid rigging. If my friend is going for > the boxcar and I go for the tanker, it's still an open market between us and > the rest of the bidders." Example...I have 3 AT-6 berkeley kits now....if I found another at 25.00 I would grab it...but if I saw you wanted it I would back off...Whats wrong in that?...If I already have one why try to run the price up for a friend... As for another comment....By another... "Therefore, any action that limits the "open and free market" aspect is illegal under federal law." This is what SNIPING DOES...It keeps someone from entering another bid if they wish to spend more than they want.... Yes...look at my bidding...You will find I bid what I feel is best most times on the first day....BUT I still would like to have a couple minutes at the end to raise it again Iif I wish... Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23096	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: S-Videos and more

We are happy (or sad) to announce that all copies of "S-Gauge Model Railroading" Vol. V and Vol. VI are sold out. We still have several copies of Volumes I through IV on hand as leftovers from S-West in Stockton last October. We need to free up the space they occupy, so they are being offered at $11 each ppd., or a four volume set at $40 plus shipping at media mail rate (about $2). A follow up for those that may have missed the earlier announcement. Our can motor swap for American Flyer Diesel locomotives is up and running. You can contact us at this email address (Boss31@...) for details, or phone 208-376-1159. Steve & Sam....S-'n-S Trains....Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23097	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Bidding against s-list members

> "Therefore, any action that limits the "open and free market" aspect is > illegal under federal law." > > This is what SNIPING DOES...It keeps someone from entering another bid if > they wish to spend more than they want.... > > Yes...look at my bidding...You will find I bid what I feel is best most > times on the first day....BUT I still would like to have a couple minutes at > the end to raise it again Iif I wish... > > Bob NO! NO! NO! Ebay tells you to bid your Max when you bid. If I come in when your bid is 60 dollars and I bid 100 dollars with 30 seconds to go then I get it for 62 dollars. But if you had bid 80 dollars as your max then I get it for 82 dollars. On the other hand if the bid is 60 dollars but your max is 120 dollars then my 100 dollars will not touch yours and you will win. So bid the most you want to pay and if a 30 second bid beats you then IT IS YOUR FAULT that you did not win. Sniping does not limit open and free market and is not illegal. I get most of the stuff I buy off ebay this way. Remember all is fair in love, war and ebay. Thank you Larry Jackman Ps. What about sealed bids on government jobs. This is an auction and you get only one chance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23098	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Ebay - Bidding - Sniping

Please include the word ebay in the subject line of all auction related posts. That way my ebay filter puts them in my 'ebay' folder and I can give them the attention they deserve. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23099	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Hey Paul!! ( some Humor)

Somehow I get the idea you don't like eBay!!! ;) Unfortunately for some, fortunately for others, it IS a major player in our toy train hobby. Unless you already have all the trains you want, then it isn't even on your radar screen. (ALL the trains you want???---NOT!) However, it IS getting harder to find another place to put ANOTHER box of trains here in the house. . . So maybe I have ALL the trains my family wants me to have??? Hmm, probably more than what they'd like to see. . . . Seriously though, right now I have to figure out where to put some stuff I bought for the new house while I wait for escrow to close. If anyone wants to see the "new digs" I have posted some pics on my website (This better not Jinx the deal!). The train room will be in the garage, it's already sheet rocked and insulated! (12 x 24 room). www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/Home.htm Gotta to go find some storage for the new medicine cabinet and some paint, later!. S' David D. PS Paul knows I wouldn't razz him if I didn't like him a whole lot.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23100	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: eBay, Re: Bidding against s-list members & snipping

Hi all, Sorry, another post about eBay. I don't know all the list members eBay ID's, so I probably have bid against some. If I should decide to not bid on an item because I DO recognize a list member, I haven't conspired to reduce the marketplace, I have made a decision that I don't really want that item so bad as to perhaps upset someone I consider a friend. He/she may still be out bid, just not by me. I have done this occasionally, and it has gone both ways (they won or lost). That's the marketplace. Sniping. Well, I don't use any software, but I have placed bids within seconds of the end, just as would happen at a live auction. Once I logged one and was chatting, when I remembered I wanted to bid on an item that was ending soon. Whoops, ending in seconds! Quickly typing, I amazed myself at actually getting in my bid--and winning! One reason I do this is that often the item goes way beyond my value for it during the last 15 minutes, so then I just don't bother to bid. You can look at bid history and see if someone keeps rebidding on an item. You can be pretty sure they really want it, and will probably outbid you. Or you can see where they dropped out too. Since I now have regular work, I don't have time to watch eBay much anymore, and my pocket book is much happier too! And I still have lots of trains to play with. (But gee, that item looks cool. . . hmm.). So, rather than debate eBay OR lawyers!, I'd rather look at all the new stuff coming out and ponder where I'm going to find the funds to buy some of it. Golly; log loaders, talking stations, a steam engine, those F units with working marker lights. . . .Gee Hurk, TRAINS!! (and as one ACG catalog said, "Wow, these colors are hot!") S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23101	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: advice

I just got back from a train show. Naturally there wasn't much Flyer available. However there was one dealer who had two of the most sought after sets.....the Union Pacific and the Northern Pacific. Heanted $550 for the UP and $500 for the NP. The engines and cars were in great shape, no broken parts etc. There were a few steps...portholes missing. Here's the thing, they were both repainted. The UP set had a B unit with it in addition to the AA and the NP had an extra vista dome car I think. Now...would any of you buy those? Someone there suggested I would be better off buying the reissues. I would say they are excelllent for the operator with a little detailing. One thing...the name plats on the UP set were chipped so it is possible those weren't repainted. Thanks! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23102	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: More Blatant SHS commercialism

Two Shipments arrived this week and the following items were received. The 2003 catalogs - revised edition http://www.showcaseline.com/Catalogs/catalogs.html #01008/01009 MP Eagle Service 40' rebuilt boxcars 1 & 2 http://www.showcaseline.com/rebuiltboxcars.html #01002/01003 American Refrigerator Transit (ART) 40' wooden reefer with modernized steel roof 3 & 4 http://www.showcaseline.com/woodreefers.html #00468 lighted bumper on 5" track #00671 5" track with outside third rail and control button (for AF accesories) #00926 unlighted bumper on 5" track #01037 Unlighted bumper (yellow 2/ pkg) #01038 Unlighted bumper (red 2/ pkg) http://www.showcaseline.com/track.html Undecorated F-7 A & B's, single units and sets http://www.showcaseline.com/emdf7s/emdf7s.html Special Cars - Boy's Railroad Club #01018/01019 Burlington Route 40' rebuilt steel boxcar 1 & 2 #01020 State of Maine BAR rebuilt steel boxcar #01021 State of Maine NH rebuilt steel boxcar #01022/01023 L&N 40' rebuilt steel boxcar 1 & 2 #01024/01025 Western Pacific 40' rebuilt steel boxcar 1 & 2 #01026/01027 PRR/DF 40' rebuilt steel boxcar 1 & 2 #01028/01029/01030 NYC "Pacemaker" 40' rebuilt steel boxcar 1, 2 & 3 http://www.showcaseline.com/specialcars.html Special Cars - CVSGA #01031 CVSGA 40' rebuilt steel boxcar Special Cars - Scenery Unlimited #01032/01033 Tipo Wine 1 & 2 - Scenery Unlimited

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23103	From: Roger Walton	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: trains in Charleston, SC area?

I have to be in Charleston, SC this coming week on business and was wondering if there are any train shops in that area with American Flyer trains?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23104	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Hey Paul!! ( some Humor)

David.....As an Architect....its a JEWEL!!!!!! the area around Dunsmuir is really pretty...spent a week in shasta once in 89.....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hey Paul!! ( some Humor) > Somehow I get the idea you don't like eBay!!! ;) > Unfortunately for some, fortunately for others, it IS a major player in our > toy train hobby. Unless you already have all the trains you want, then it > isn't even on your radar screen. > (ALL the trains you want???---NOT!) However, it IS getting harder to find > another place to put ANOTHER box of trains here in the house. . . So maybe I > have ALL the trains my family wants me to have??? Hmm, probably more than > what they'd like to see. . . . > Seriously though, right now I have to figure out where to put some stuff > I bought for the new house while I wait for escrow to close. > If anyone wants to see the "new digs" I have posted some pics on my > website (This better not Jinx the deal!). The train room will be in the > garage, it's already sheet rocked and insulated! (12 x 24 room). > www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/Home.htm > Gotta to go find some storage for the new medicine cabinet and some paint, > later!. > S' > David D. > PS Paul knows I wouldn't razz him if I didn't like him a whole lot. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23105	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: 1/64th 1959 Ford w/cherry picker....

This may be old news to some,...but today at K-Mart, I found a 1959 Ford P/U, with utility bed and a working lift (cherry picker),..made by "Route 66" for K-Mart. Even comes with a token metal Texas license plate,..for $2.99. I have seen cars before by Route 66, and thought they looked much like Racing Champions,....looked at the bottom of the Ford truck, and sure enough,...that's what it says. Small logo on the door, and a large one on the lift, say "Johnson Electric",...I may take them off,..on the door it also says,..'EST. 1972'....hmmmm.....started a new business with a '59 truck!! Although,..in '72, a '59 wasn't THAT old!! These would make nice power or telephone trucks on the layout,...maybe new paint and logos. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23106	From: Jim C	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: AOL & Ebay???

Rick, Every now and then the ebay servers will get "confused" and send you the AOL version of an ebay page even if you are not an AOL user. I have had this happen several times in the past couple of years. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Rick Evans [mailto:comic@...] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:56 PM To: S-Trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AOL & Ebay??? **((Rick, what are you talking about? Keith))** --- Rick Evans wrote: > Good lord!! AOL owns Ebay now?? When did THAT > happen??? > Or are they just a sponsor??? Sorry Keith and all,...I should have explained it better!! The regular pages of AF goodies, doesn't show it,...but when I hit an auction link from a email outbid notice,...once it took me to the page at ebay,..across the top it mentions AOL's Home and Garden, or close to it,... then it says,.."AOL presents----EBAY"....(the ebay logo). What the heck does that mean?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23107	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re-bending track

Just out of curiosity, has anyone on the list ever re-bent Flyer curved track to a wider radius? If so, how did you do it without putting a kink in the rails, or letting them get out of gauge? Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23108	From: waldootten	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Nothing wrong with so-called sniping, IMHO

My $0.02: I have bought a lot of original Flyer off eBay in the last 15 months -- over 300 items, and plenty of it was from members of this list. Many times when the competition is hot for a rarer item, I set a timer to be in on the "action" in the last few minutes. My experience is "sometimes ya win, sometimes ya lose." Sometimes I have lost a high-priced item I really wanted at the last second by a few piddling dollars. I don't see that as "getting sniped." I figure I only have myself to blame for not bidding enough for something I really wanted. I have also received several angry emails from people accusing me of "sniping." To me, there is no such thing. Whatever you want to bid as your "high" -- you have until the exact last second of the auction to do so. That's why there's a timer -- in lieu of a "Going once, going twice, sold" followed by a gavel drop in a live auction. For anyone to be angry because someone else topped their bid in the last two minutes is ludicrous. What, we're not supposed to bid in the last two minutes? Auctions are nothing more than an organized free-for-all. On the other hand, I have yet to receive an email from a seller thanking me for putting in a very high bid -- maybe too high -- at the last. I know eBay encourages buyers to enter their "maximum" as their first bid. That's silly, too. Sometimes I enter a low bid during the first day or two just to keep an eye on that item -- because eBay only allows you to watch 30 auctions, and sometimes that number isn't enough. If I like the way the bidding is going, I bid up toward the end. Sometimes, I don't because the price may be more than I think the item is worth. And sometimes I do this "marking" to watch items just to see what they sell for. All this hurts no one. It only moves the bidding forward. If eBay really wanted you to enter your maximum as a first bid, the bidding would go nowhere. I don't think any of this makes me an SOB, just a buyer being wise with his hard-earned dollars. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23109	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Nothing wrong with so-called sniping, IMHO

as a sometimes seller on ebay,,,,i just always place the starting bid at my bottom price that i will let the object go for,,so who ever bids or snips, or what ever members care to do is there choice, if i sell it i am happy,and i hope the buyer is to, ----- Original Message ----- From: <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 9:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Nothing wrong with so-called sniping, IMHO > My $0.02: > > I have bought a lot of original Flyer off eBay in the last 15 > months -- over 300 items, and plenty of it was from members of > this list. > > Many times when the competition is hot for a rarer item, I set a > timer to be in on the "action" in the last few minutes. My > experience is "sometimes ya win, sometimes ya lose." Sometimes I > have lost a high-priced item I really wanted at the last second by a > few piddling dollars. I don't see that as "getting sniped." I figure > I only have myself to blame for not bidding enough for something I > really wanted. > > I have also received several angry emails from people accusing me > of "sniping." To me, there is no such thing. Whatever you want to > bid as your "high" -- you have until the exact last second of the > auction to do so. That's why there's a timer -- in lieu of a "Going > once, going twice, sold" followed by a gavel drop in a live auction. > For anyone to be angry because someone else topped their bid in the > last two minutes is ludicrous. What, we're not supposed to bid in > the last two minutes? Auctions are nothing more than an organized > free-for-all. On the other hand, I have yet to receive an email from > a seller thanking me for putting in a very high bid -- maybe too > high -- at the last. > > I know eBay encourages buyers to enter their "maximum" as their > first bid. That's silly, too. Sometimes I enter a low bid during the > first day or two just to keep an eye on that item -- because eBay > only allows you to watch 30 auctions, and sometimes that number > isn't enough. If I like the way the bidding is going, I bid up > toward the end. Sometimes, I don't because the price may be more > than I think the item is worth. And sometimes I do this "marking" to > watch items just to see what they sell for. All this hurts no one. > It only moves the bidding forward. If eBay really wanted you to > enter your maximum as a first bid, the bidding would go nowhere. > > I don't think any of this makes me an SOB, just a buyer being wise > with his hard-earned dollars. > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23110	From: eddiee456	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: need traction help for a Santa Fe

Just got a Santa Fe A,B and three passenger cars at a train show. The engine runs strong but when I hook up all three passenger cars it just sits and spins it's drive wheels. Does anyone know how to get some traction? Thanks in advance. Ed

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23111	From: DoUg	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: 290 steam engine

Can anyone tell me the value of a 290 steam engine?? I can't seem to find it on anyones list of locos that are available Thanks, Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23112	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: 332ac

Neil--- I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure I can supply that truck. The hardware to mount it is no problem. Repair running gear....probably.....depends what's broken. ??????? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted. ****************ORIGINAL MESSAGE**************** Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:37:26 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Neil A Becker" <becks@...> Subject: 332ac How hard is it to find and replace the missing rear truck on a 332ac Northern? Can the running gear be repaired easily?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23113	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Truck thought, KC for PM

Has anyone changed out their PM trucks for knuckle trucks of Gilbert or L-Flyer manufacture just because they got tired of the "shortcomings" of the PM truck. Just wondering... Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23114	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2003
Subject: Re: Truck thought, KC for PM

Jeff, I have a few Yellow Shell cars that I assembled from parts from a "major supplier." The parts are all ACG made, and the tanks were already printed with their 5 digit number, but I put on late KC trucks using eyelets. I figure someday, after I'm gone, there will be a listing for "RARE!! KC trucked Shell cars" Only three known to exist!! " Meantime, I have some nifty looking cars to run on the layout. Maybe my survivors can make some bucks on them! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23115	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Re-bending track

Tim, I just recently bought a track bending jigg from Van's Trains. He sells several different radius jiggs. If you take your time it works well with no kinks. The gentlemen that makes the jiggs, his name is Frank (Hank) Vander Wiede. His address/phone# follows: Van's Trains P.O. Box 1365 Fair Lawn New Jersey 07410 201-797-3116 If you call Hank, please mention my name. Thanks, Lou --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > Just out of curiosity, has anyone on the list ever re-bent Flyer curved track to a wider radius? If so, how did you do it without putting a kink in the rails, or letting them get out of gauge? > > Thanks, > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23116	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: What Catalog?

David Dewey said: >and as one ACG catalog said, "Wow, these colors are hot!" Funny, I don't remember that from a Gilbert catalog. However, I think I saw it, hmmmmm, oh yes, here it is, Victoria's Secret Christmas Issue, p. 32, Teddies and Panties: "Wow, these colors are hot!" Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23117	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: 1 E-Bay pet peeve

My new pet peeve: Snipe, not snip Sniping, not snipping Sniped not snipped Dining Car not Dinning Car Diner is where you eat, Dinner is what you eat. I have not done a spelling post in years but you guys are driving me CRAZY!!!!!! Thank you, I'm done now. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23118	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: E-Bay pet peeve

Thanks Chris, I was just about to do that miself......... Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23119	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Truck thought, KC for PM

Roger, Hmm, "when you list these" -- Uh, won't be me, will be my survivors, or my caretakers!!! I like them too much!! ;-) Um, but not so much that I want them with me in the box, so don't worry, they'll be out there someday!! Hmm, maybe I'd better up my life insurance and get an unlisted address???? Y'all have fun at chat! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23120	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: What Catalog?

Chris, ROFL!!! I will admit, it was from one of the microscope pages--I put a copy of that page in my current museum display, "A. C. Gilbert's World of Toys." We have a changing display case at the museum, and I was asked to put in my trains, but I thought the other stuff would be fun to, so I have Chemistry sets, microscopes, Erector sets AND trains, and catalog pages, including an ad for home appliances. I'll try to get some pics and post them. Hmm, hey Chris, how come you know what's in the V. S. Catalogs??? ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23121	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: I won't make F'lyer Chat tonite

Hi all, I doubt I'll be at chat tonite, Linda's dad has a problem with his truck (hopefully it has diabled it, as he really shouldn't be driving) and apparently his health, so we have to make a fast trip to Grass Valley this afternoon, probably won't be back until long after chat. I just hope the fog isn't too thick tonite, it was pretty bad last night. Now be nice, but have a great time! And if you've never been to chat, here's your chance, I won't be hogging the keyboard!! ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23122	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: 1 E-Bay pet peeve

I ugree, Chris. Their haf bin utter miss spelk wurds, two - meny dickshun errirs, ass wel. Piples dun't no howl two youse there spelk chickers. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Zizzo To: slist Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 1 E-Bay pet peeve My new pet peeve: Snipe, not snip Sniping, not snipping Sniped not snipped Dining Car not Dinning Car Diner is where you eat, Dinner is what you eat. I have not done a spelling post in years but you guys are driving me CRAZY!!!!!! Thank you, I'm done now. Chris Zizzo S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23123	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: What Catalog?

David Dewey: >hey Chris, how come you know what's in the V. S. Catalogs??? I'm also in the PCA, Perversion Collectors Assn. Gee, I thought only our members referred to Victoria's Secret as V.S. Wanna buy a first generation Superbra in tiger stripe livery, MIB? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23124	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: E-bay Sniping

I like the way the guy at Choochooauctions.com set up his site ..anyone who places a bid in the last mins of an auction will find out that it automaticly EXTENDS the auction by 15 mins ....and will continue to do so until someone wins.....NO SNIPING....When will the NEW BREED at E-bay ever wake up ....LOLOLOL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23125	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: E-bay Sniping

What is LOLOLO....Is it Laughing out loud...with a stutter? BTW...Bidway...If it ever gets off the ground has this feature...Auctions extend and listings are free...If you want to know more contact me......Bob BTW2...Sorry to stir up such a mess with my comment about Bidding!!!...But these topics remind me of a Church Building comittie....( I am an Architect ) yu kan ask them 10 memberies what the kolor of thee sky is at thast momont....YOU WILL GET 10 DIFFERENT ANSWERS......( The spelling is 4 Kris....(really a nice guy...) Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <am-flyr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] E-bay Sniping > I like the way the guy at Choochooauctions.com set up his > site ..anyone who places a bid in the last mins of an auction will > find out that it automaticly EXTENDS the auction by 15 mins ....and > will continue to do so until someone wins.....NO SNIPING....When will > the NEW BREED at E-bay ever wake up ....LOLOLOL > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23126	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Sniping just a snip

>"What is LOLOLOL?" asks Robert Allen Connor, a Arkitekt? Laughing Out Loud, Oh Lordy, Oh Lordy. Never mind the Superbra. Turns out it's a Wonderbra, not nearly as collectible. Also turns out, it was not MIB, but worn (just once around the block), but the clasp is a repro. And I got it on E-Bay. Screwed again. BTW and for real, when I search "S Gauge" on E-Bay I get a lot of Victoria's Secret sweater auctions for the gauge of yarn used. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23127	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Serendipity doo

BTW, over on the TCA list the discussion is hot and heavy about "Petticoat Junction." Started out talking about the junction. Now they're way deep in the petticoats! Go see, it's a riot! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23128	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: SHS/Showcaseline S-Trax for sale.

(Three) boxes 00259 S-19"r 30 deg. curved track, 6/pkg. $29.95 ea. (Two) Boxes 00292 S-24"r 30 deg. Curved track, 6/pkg. $34.95 ea. (One) box 00258 10" straight track, 6/pkg. $29.95 ea. (One) box 00257 15" straight track, 6/pkg. $36.95 ea. Go to: http://www.showcaseline.com/track_in_stock.html To view the above. These would total 226.65 and you would have to pay freight to buy direct from SHS. I will ship them to you for 200.00 even. First come first serve. They have been used very little, some not at all. None of them are broken and the boxes all still look like they did the day I got them. Next stop Ebay..... Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23129	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Serendipity doo

Has anyone ever thought about the fact that the town was called "hooter" ville. Chris Zizzo spake: "Petticoat Junction."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23130	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Poultry Car Update

Work on the LVM poultry car kit continues at a slow pace. It's tough to paint with sub-freezing temperatures. I've posted a few photos of the car and some chicks on the photo gallery at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php? set_albumName=album27 Copy the entire link into your browser window. Let me know what you think - thanks! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23131	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: E-bay Sniping

Who is LOLO? ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward G. <am-flyr@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] E-bay Sniping I like the way the guy at Choochooauctions.com set up his site ..anyone who places a bid in the last mins of an auction will find out that it automaticly EXTENDS the auction by 15 mins ....and will continue to do so until someone wins.....NO SNIPING....When will the NEW BREED at E-bay ever wake up ....LOLOLOL S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23132	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Try this for Poultry Car

Poultry car updateThe album was actually 69 and the wrap was not pasting very clean for me so if you had the same trouble try the link below. Poultry car update Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23133	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Serendipity doo

chris...whats the address...bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Serendipity doo > BTW, over on the TCA list the discussion is hot and heavy about "Petticoat > Junction." Started out talking about the junction. Now they're way deep in > the petticoats! Go see, it's a riot! > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23134	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Another Poultry Car Photos Link

You can view these photos in Paul Yorke's gallery at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums.php Chose the Model Railroading Album, then the Photos From Our S Friends Album, then the BullGator Album and then the poultry car album. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23135	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Hooterville and Gabe.....

**(((Has anyone ever thought about the fact that the town was called "hooter" ville.))** Well of course,...Hooterville was known for the abundunce of owls that hung out there!!! :^) And if you contact me, and I will forward the new Hooters 2003 calendar to ya! Not what ya think!! I hooked back up good ol' Gabe last night,...he's been sitting under my Fall layout,...I blew a little dust of him, and he is back in action! Whew! That's a TALL ladder!! What a workout!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23136	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Poultry address...

This should take ya right there. Rick. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album27 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23137	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: CLUB MEETINGS

The North Penn S Gaugers started in March of 1998. At our first meeting we agreed to meet in members homes on a monthly basis. At the first meeting we agreed to build a modular layout with the club owning the 4 corners and members building 4' straight sections. Today our layout measures 16' x 24' with more modules being built. We show our modular layout in at least 5 train shows per year. Our layout is presently stored in one member's basement between shows. We have 24 members and just agreed to have 10 official in home meetings a year. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:52:05 -0700 > From: "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@...> > Subject: Club Meetings? S Friends: I'm curious as to how the various clubs out there handle their meeting locations. Do they have a clubhouse, do they move around to different member's houses, do they pay rent, do they get a donation of space, is their layout permanently mounted, is their layout stored in pieces? Stuff like that. I thought it might generate some discussion and ideas if we share this information. Jeff Madden  do you think it might be worthy of an article in the Dispatch? For the record: the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers in Boise, Idaho have a donation of storage area for our portable layout from a local government, and we can assemble the layout during a meeting to work on it. We try to repay the donation by volunteering our layout for the annual Depot celebration (City sponsored). We also meet occasionally at members' homes to view a personal layout, have a clinic, watch videos, etc. We would like to find an "angel" to donate a meeting area where we can leave the layout assembled between meetings. What do the rest of you do? Thanks, John Eichmann, Coordinator RMHR Boise _______________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23138	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 19, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23139	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Serendipity doo

Mark asked; >Has anyone ever thought about the fact that the town was >called "hooter" ville. DAH-link, vy shoodn't it be called "Hootersville?" Naw, I think the owl idea is probably right. Or maybe it's a veiled reference to the show being a "hoot." BTW all, I am the S gauger formerly known as "jahoozdumm." I opened a Yahoo mail account yesterday using the same password I formerly used here, and it worked for about an hour. Then it wouldn't recognize my years-old password. When I tried to come here last night, THIS account wouldn't let me in anymore, either. Went through the whole Yahoo "personal info check" rigmarole. No joy. Sheesh. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23140	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: What Catalog?

Chris, ROFL, again. However, it did remind me of an acutal "incident" that occured at the Portola RR Museum. Two of us were working on top of something (I don't remember what, and it's not important to the story) and we needed to do some prying. After messing around with what was at hand, I commented that "We need a wonder bar." (Just in case you don't know, that's a brand name for a pry bar made of flat spring steel). A female visitor was walking by and hautily said to us, " I DO NOT need a Wonder Bra!" Ooops, quick backtracking--I still don't know if she believed our explanation! S' David "foot in mouth" D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23141	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: whooderfill

Yah, could be it was named "Hooterville" in honor of Bobbie Jo and her sisters, but also consider that since their lil' burg wasn't much more than a whistle stop on the railroad, in early days, single-note loco whistles were termed "hooters". Just maybe ?????? Jeeze, the things that get started on this list ! Reguard"S"(especially for CZ) Smitty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23142	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: whooderfill

Well, I just admitted to the chat group that I thought it was called that because the train "hooted" through the "town"--and we used to call such places "whistle stops." But I was just a 'young lad" at the time! S' David D. PS these postings are minor compared to the ones at the TCA list! They're getting into who acted whom & when, etc.! Bone up for your next Trivial Persuits game!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23143	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Club Organization

The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers started out a 8 members in the Richmond, VA area 4-1/2 years ago. At our first show (Richmond GATS) in August 1998, we had 4 corners and about 8 straights. A little over 4 years later we now have five divisions (Virginia Central, Carolinas, Washington and Old Dominion, Tidewater, and Delaware) with a fifth (Atlanta Area) under development (first show scheduled for March 2003). Each Division has its own modular layout. Our Division (Carolinas) now has 50 members, two sets of corners (one kept in the Charlotte area and one in the Research Triangle area) and enough modules to make a 40 by 40 foot layout with 2-T modules and a center run. All Divisions function without officers, dues, constitution, or bylaws. Operation is by consensus. Members contribute time, effort, and many supplies while show fees/awards are used to make Club purchases. For example, the Carolinas Division has had Club skirts (blue with yellow top) made for all modules and is currently contemplating the purchase of a used 6 by 12 foot trailer to store modules of those members who do not wish to take them home after each show. Each Division handles meetings differently. Some meet monthly, some in member's homes, etc. The Carolinas Dvision meets about 4 times a year, in addition to get togethers at shows, and met last at the Spencer Shops (home of the NC Transportation Museum and a national historical site under re-construction since it was Southern's loco shop located halfway between Washington, DC and Atlanta). This location is somewhat centrally located for the Division, has a free meeting room, and allows us to see and ride 1:1 scale trains. We also will be operating our modular layout at their Rail Days in April. Perhaps most significantly our Division is into making our laout interactive with the public, and we currently integrate button boards with a many as 60 buttons for the public to operate accessories at each of our shows. We recently voted to participate in 7-8 shows during the coming year. All in all, it is a great group of guy and gals (some members as young as 12) who love to run trains for the public and demonstrate that S gauge is alive and well. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23144	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Re-bending track

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@a...> wrote: Just out of curiosity, has anyone on the list ever re-bent Flyer curved track to a wider radius? If so, how did you do it without putting a kink in the rails, or letting them get out of gauge? Thanks, Tim Brown Tim, There have been at least two articles published on re-bending AF track. The first appeared in the Summer 1970 issue of the S Gauge Herald and the second appeared in the July 1993 issue of the TTOS Bulletin. I think you can obtain a reprint of the SGH article from the NASG. I'm not sure if or where TTOS reprints are available. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23145	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/19/2003
Subject: Re: Re-bending track

Tim, I started experimenting with this idea a year ago. Like many of my experiments the results an inconclusive. Here is what I did: Let me begin by describing the track so you will understand the words. If you set a curved piece of track so the inner rail is closest to you, the inner rail will have a pin sticking our on the right and the outer rail will have a pin sticking our on the left. If you number the ties from left to right, I loosened the metal tabs that hold the outside rail to ties 2, 3 and 4. The tabs on tie number 1 remain tight. The tabs holding the inner rail remain tight on all four ties. I straightened the track fairly easily, but here is where I am held up. I had decided I wanted to curve the tracks so that they would exactly make the circle that would take 16 curved sections. I figured out the radius, but I have lost my notes. Having loosened the ties and straightened the track some, I need to get the curve right. So I have been waiting to develop the jig. I saw the post about Van's trains. I need to call him and get at least one jig. Thanks for asking the question. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee Message: 17 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:21:35 -0500 From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> Subject: Re-bending track Just out of curiosity, has anyone on the list ever re-bent Flyer curved track to a wider radius? If so, how did you do it without putting a kink in the rails, or letting them get out of gauge? Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23146	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re-bending track

Hi Lance, I was thinking about using a router to gouge out a channel on a rectangle of plywood. The channel would be just large enough to force the ties into (after I loosened them) with the rails up, facing me. After the track was in the channel, I would re-tighten the ties. Alternately, I would use a router to make two channels in the plywood that would be large enough for the rails, then force the track in rail side down after loosening the ties. Hopefully, it would retain the shape after I took it out to re-tighten the ties. I think the first way has a better chance. When I'm ready to go on a bender, I'll give it a try. Someday, I want to make a killer Flyer layout that pretty much takes up a whole basement in a ranch-style home. I'd like to use Flyer track, but I would want to increase the radius so larger locos, like my Challenger would operate smoother. I have a nice Flyer layout now, but of course, it's too small. Thanks for your tip! Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance McCold To: Tim Brown Cc: S-Trains Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: Re: Re-bending track Tim, I started experimenting with this idea a year ago. Like many of my experiments the results an inconclusive. Here is what I did: Let me begin by describing the track so you will understand the words. If you set a curved piece of track so the inner rail is closest to you, the inner rail will have a pin sticking our on the right and the outer rail will have a pin sticking our on the left. If you number the ties from left to right, I loosened the metal tabs that hold the outside rail to ties 2, 3 and 4. The tabs on tie number 1 remain tight. The tabs holding the inner rail remain tight on all four ties. I straightened the track fairly easily, but here is where I am held up. I had decided I wanted to curve the tracks so that they would exactly make the circle that would take 16 curved sections. I figured out the radius, but I have lost my notes. Having loosened the ties and straightened the track some, I need to get the curve right. So I have been waiting to develop the jig. I saw the post about Van's trains. I need to call him and get at least one jig. Thanks for asking the question. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee Message: 17 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:21:35 -0500 From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> Subject: Re-bending track Just out of curiosity, has anyone on the list ever re-bent Flyer curved track to a wider radius? If so, how did you do it without putting a kink in the rails, or letting them get out of gauge? Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23147	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re-bending track

There is a guy who started a business re-bending Gilbert track. His name is Marshall Douglas. Here is his product list: Flyer operators: S gauge tinplate track in new radii options like the scale guys enjoy! 22.0" radius 25.1" radius 28.2" radius 31.3" radius 34.4" radius 37.5" radius 46.7" radius 49.8" radius 59.0" radius 62.1" radius reusing the original rails, pins, ties & insulators ultra-cleaned and rebent to new curvatures call Track Fun toll-free for details 866 233 3840 at prompt 5840 phone inquiry preferable to email The e-mail this came from is dated 11/13/01. I spoke to the guy back then and he seemed in earnest. I don't remember the price. Also, I have no idea if he is still doing it. As you see, he wants phone inquiries, but if you can't get him, try <trackfun@...> as a SECOND choice. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23148	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Lionel Aquarium Car

To all: I just got my brand new Lionel aquarium car, painted and lettered for a combination of the Milwaukee Road, the Zoological Society of Milwaukee (Formerly the County Zoo), and the Lionel Club of Milwaukee. It came, of course, with those Lionel three rail trucks. These need to be replaced with AC Gilbert's finest. For those unfamiliar with this car, the Lionel Aquarium car consists of a belt of clear plastic with fish painted on it. The belt goes over two spools, one at each end of the box-car shaped car. As the car moves, the belt goes around and around. Behind the belt is a sea background and behind the background is a single light bulb. The original Aquarium car, released in the 1950s, had a 'vibrator motor'. So I was expecting this question to be 'How do you get a vibrator motor to run on DC?" (That answer is simple. I just wasn't thinking. Create an inverting 'chopper' circuit with a 555. Not a problem.) This car does not have the 'vibrator motor'. Instead, it has a worm gear on one axle which meshes with a larger gear in the middle of the truck. This gear is attached to the shaft one of the spools is on. Pushing the car causes the spool to spin and the belt to move. The light bulb is powered off the other truck. Has anyone converted a Lionel gear car to AF trucks? Any pointers you can pass along? Doug? Joe? Sam? Interested in a challenge? I can provide the AF trucks if needed. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23149	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Club Meetings

All, This is in response to a query by John Eichmann. Our club organization is similar to that of Eric Reis. We have no officers or dues. I function as the club coordinator (basically, the secretary's job in a more formal setting). We try to get together at least once a month, round robin at different members' homes. General meetings are to disseminate S news, watch a train tape, play with the host's trains, have show 'n tell, shoot the bull, etc. We do not produce a newsletter. We also have work sessions that are usually more focused on a particular goal. I would say that the club's energy has focused more in the last couple of years on construction of modules to incoporate into our display layout that we take to train shows to promote S model railroading. Individual members are responsible for financial underwriting and storing their own modules. We all help with the construction phase (at least, the basic initial stuff). We started out with 4 members going on 12 years ago; today, we have 10 members, with 6-7 core active members. Although most of us started out in AF, our interests range from collecting AF to scale operation. We are currently upgrading our layout to standardize DCC operational capability. The club does basically what the members are interested in; it is their organization. Hope this helps. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon Coordinator, Crescent City S Gaugers New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23150	From: knockbill	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Hand car bushings

Hi Guys Have any of you ever made armature bushings for a hand car chassis?? The cars I've seen have pretty worn chassis & armature shafts,, seems they can be repaired by installing sleeve bushing that would span the worn spots ...... Any other ideas?? Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23151	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Nothing wrong with so-called sniping, IMHO(E-BAY)

In a message dated 1/18/03 9:24:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, waldootten@... writes: > If eBay really wanted you to > enter your maximum as a first bid, the bidding would go nowhere If e-bay wants to stop snipers, all they would have to do is allow a bidder to put 1 bid in per auction. They could also secretly end an auction at anytime within 3 to 5 minutes to discourage snipers. I have been sniper and a snipee. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Hey wasn't that a Carol King song? Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23152	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Club Meetings]

This is in response to the query by John Eichmann. Our club organization is informal and has one officer, a treasurer, and no dues. Our treasury is kept solvent by donations from some of the local train club chapters who sponsor local train meets. Not a lot of money but are needs are small now that we have club corner modules. We decide how to spend the money by group concurrence. Two or three of us function as the club coordinator. We try to get together at least once a month or so, avoiding summer, in round robins at different members' homes. General meetings are to disseminate S news, watch a train tape, play with the host's trains, have show 'n tell, shoot the bull, etc. We produce a newsletter when we have a business meeting, which is at irregular intervals. We also have work sessions, roughly weekly, that are more focused on a particular goal. The club's energy has always focused on construction of modules to incorporate into our display layout that we take to train shows to promote S model railroading. Individual members are responsible for financial underwriting and storing their own modules. We also have four club corner modules so individuals need only bring the 2'x4' modules in their cars. We all help with the construction phase (at least, the basic initial stuff). We started about 12 years ago. We have 7 core members plus 2-3 marginal. Some of us started out in AF, some in scale, about evenly divided. Our interests range from collecting AF to scale operation. We are currently expanding our layout to include yard modules, an engine house module, and a pair of 2' long modules to expand the operating pit width by 2 feet. We are investigating whether we want to buy a MRC 312 sound unit. The club does basically what the members decide they are interested in. We have a website that I manage at: http://www.trainweb.org/rasg/ If you visit it the newsletter may be out of date but otherwise it should be OK. Incidentally, the WNYSSA club was a Buffalo NY area spin off from our club, started by Gregg Mummert and Ray Abbot. Chuck Smith Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) Rochester, NY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23153	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Nothing wrong with so-called sniping, IMHO(E-BAY)

Chris...I really gave sniping a try...got a 287 951 955 955 pass set for 112.50....got it at 3 seconds!!!...using a stop watch....oh well....tried another...got in at 2 seconds...didn't win though...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cbtrainnut1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 5:34 PM Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Nothing wrong with so-called sniping, IMHO(E-BAY) > In a message dated 1/18/03 9:24:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, > waldootten@... writes: > > > If eBay really wanted you to > > enter your maximum as a first bid, the bidding would go nowhere > > If e-bay wants to stop snipers, all they would have to do is allow a bidder > to put 1 bid in per auction. They could also secretly end an auction at > anytime within 3 to 5 minutes to discourage snipers. I have been sniper and a > snipee. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Hey wasn't that a Carol King > song? > Chris The Trainnut > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23154	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Bushing handcar armature

Seems like many years ago I did one by unsoldering the worm from the armature shaft, and used a short section of K&S brass tubing the right diameter that would just slip over the shaft. I used a small needle file to enlarge the area for the tube, filing downward so that the mesh of the worm and the gear was correct. Regard'S' Smitty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23155	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: 1 1/4" --- O-gauge 2 rail track

I have 11 sections of 1-1/4" --- O-gauge 2 rail track curved track. I was hoping to get some suggestions from the group as to what category would be the best for listing on ebay. Is this for the pre-war windup AF? Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23156	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: SHS/Showcaseline S-Trax for sale.

How about $180.00 and I pay freight. ???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kiner" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 3:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SHS/Showcaseline S-Trax for sale. > (Three) boxes 00259 S-19"r 30 deg. curved track, 6/pkg. $29.95 ea. > > (Two) Boxes 00292 S-24"r 30 deg. Curved track, 6/pkg. $34.95 ea. > > (One) box 00258 10" straight track, 6/pkg. $29.95 ea. > > (One) box 00257 15" straight track, 6/pkg. $36.95 ea. > > Go to: http://www.showcaseline.com/track_in_stock.html > > To view the above. > > These would total 226.65 and you would have to pay freight to buy direct > from SHS. > > I will ship them to you for 200.00 even. First come first serve. > > They have been used very little, some not at all. None of them are broken > and the boxes all still look like they did the day I got them. > > Next stop Ebay..... > > Mark > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23157	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: New LTI/ American Flyer catalog

I have the new Lionel catalog volume 1 for 2003 in hand. Here's the rundown. Engines: Look like the originals with "all new drive system & die cast trucks" Baldwin Switcher, Seaboard 6-48034 $249.99 Baldwin Switcher, Santa Fe 6-48035 $249.99 Rolling stock: Seaboard Square Window Caboose 6-48724 $49.99 Santa Fe Boom Car 6-48723 $49.99 Santa Fe Crane Car Die cast with 6 wheel trucks and outriggers 6-49012 $69.99 Pennsylvania Boxcar (Green) 6-48352 $49.99 Diamond Chemicals Single Dome Tank Car 6-48413 $49.99 Southern Pacific Flatcar with Trailers 6-48532 $49.99 Burlington Triple hopper with Coal Load 6-48622 $49.99 PFE Reefer with OPENING DOOR 6-48808 $49.99 Moe & Joe Action Flatcar with operating contactor for AF track 6-48011 $69.99 Chessie Depressed Center Flatcar with 6 wheel trucks and Western Electric cable reel 6-48531 $59.99 Accessories: #744 Floodlight Tower 6-49814 $99.99 #787 Log Loader 6-49810 $129.99 #789 Baggage Smasher Station 6-49813 $129.99 #755 Mystic Talking Station (digital reproducer/recorder) 6-49812 $199.99 Unbelievable... Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23158	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Bushing handcar armature

Thanks for the tip. Does anyone out there re-bush the Hand car chassis??? I don't recall any mention of this repair. Ken -----Original Message----- From: tomsmitty2001 <strider1102@...> [mailto:strider1102@...] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:39 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Bushing handcar armature Seems like many years ago I did one by unsoldering the worm from the armature shaft, and used a short section of K&S brass tubing the right diameter that would just slip over the shaft. I used a small needle file to enlarge the area for the tube, filing downward so that the mesh of the worm and the gear was correct. Regard'S' Smitty S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ + +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23159	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: New LTI/ American Flyer catalog

In a message dated 1/20/03 10:01:54 PM, carl@... writes: << I have the new Lionel catalog volume 1 for 2003 in hand. Here's the rundown. >> For the record, Lionel "LTI" ceased to exist in 1996 when the company was sold by Richard Kughn to Wellsprings Associates. Since then, the company has been known as Lionel, L.L.C. ...Snip... Unbelievable... Carl >> It's very believable. As part of my report on April 2002 York, I posted on this board that there was a new and much more favorable attitude about American Flyer on the part of Dick Maddox, Todd Wagner (the new chief of product development), and others of the new (post Gary Moreau) Lionel team (Those posts could be in the S-Trains archives). On the basis of lengthy discussions with both Maddox and Wagner, one could correctly surmise that an extensive range of new offerings were on the way once they got the 0 gauge side of the business in order. As Walter Winchell used to say, "You heard it here first!" <grin> Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23160	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Wake-Up Call ?

Was the news that K-Line would offer a set in "S" what woke up the Big "L" people? It looks like they are going to offer more than in the past. I've said for ten years that the Baldwin was a loco they should build if for no other reason than that they re-power everything anyhow and the Baldwin was what needed a re-power job the most. The station and such can sell to their 3 rail people as well, but an operating car is only for us in "S", (or those who buy K-Line's set). They'll sure have the add on stuf to help make K-Line's set more attractive, yet line the pockets of Big "L"'s people. But, looking back to 1998, I have to wonder if that stuff will ever show up. If a dealer has 50 orders, will he need to order 100 in order to get enough to fill his 50 customers orders? Will a customer need to place orders at two dealers in order to have a chance one will be able to have one for him? Will they perhaps build only enough to fill advance orders? They have been doing better at building what they say they will, late perhaps, but they do build it, but still sometimes not as many as a dealer had ask for. So, when I place an order, I have to wonder if I'll get one, even if they do come in. To me, this is the most attractive line up they've offered. As I started this, what got them to even catalog this much? (Even if some should turn out to be what compurer people call "vapor ware".) jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23161	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: new Baldwin

Do the new LTI Baldwins show any signs of end railings, wire or stamped? Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23162	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Transformer Questions

Greetings! Picked up two transformers ... a 1 1/2B for lights, and an 8B for accessories. The 1 1/2 B has quite a hum/buzz ... is there any way to "quiet" it down? The 8B, when hitting the reset button, stops current to the fixed voltage post. What do I look for, when opening it up, to correct this? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23163	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Wake-Up Call ?

In a message dated 1/20/03 11:38:29 PM, jfred436@... writes: << Was the news that K-Line would offer a set in "S" what woke up the Big "L" people? >> Nope. This expansion of the AF line has been in the works for about a year. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23164	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: L catalog

Does anyone remember what web site shows the most recent Lionel catalog, as in the 2003-1? Thanks :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23165	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Talking Station

They say Big "L" is planning to make the Talking Station with an electronic talker. I wonder if it will be able to stop the trains as the old one did? jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23166	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/20/2003
Subject: Re: Transformer Questions

Charlie, On the 1-1/2B, try tightening the two screws that hold the bottom on, but be careful to not strip them! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23167	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: JL and Corgi

I went to Wal-Mart on the hunt for the vehicles reported below by Bill. I only found an empty rack. I did however find a '56 Ford panel truck that is just very slightly undersize (a bigger problem is the hot rod blower sticking through the hood), and a Mercury woody wagon that also appears to be just slightly undersize. These are by my old nemesis, Johnny Lightning. At least they are less undersize than the typical JL product. I also found several of the Corgi fire trucks at $3.88. For any of the above, if you want exact S scale, you might not want these. If you can tolerate slightly small and you want these vehicles, they are quite nice. Note regarding "Suburban" vs panel truck; a Suburban has seats for rear passengers and windows all around, a panel truck has only front seats, and has side windows only in the doors. Suburban is Chevy's name for this type of vehicle. International called theirs the Travelall. Perhaps Ford and Dodge had their own names for a window van also. Ted Larson >>>>>>>>>From: Bill Lane <billlan Subject: new vehicles Hi All, I had some time to kill between dinner and the movie tonight, so my wife and I went to Wal-Mart. It proved to be a very successful trip on my usual vehicle hunt. Check this out! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/New_Cars.jpg These are by Jada Toys Road Rats series for a whopping $3.00 each. They are listed as 1/64 and are in a flat primer to represent Hot Rodding of that time. I would call them to be nominally to scale, and you can't beat the price. They are all Chevys as follows: 1960 Impala 1953 Bel Air 1957 Suburban 1953 P U 1947 Fleetline 1959 El Camino I did not buy the Impala. But I was tempted to buy the El Camino. I quit at 1957. NOW here is the good part. They are screwed together! You can disassemble them for repainting in about 2 minutes flat I plan on getting more of them if Ken Davis does not beat me to them! Thanks Bill<<<<<<<<<< ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23168	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin

No. They are just like the AF originals. -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:38 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] new Baldwin Do the new LTI Baldwins show any signs of end railings, wire or stamped? Thanks. Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23169	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin

Are we asking the "Lion" to change it's mane???? In addition to handrails and grab rails, wasn't the cab altered to get the motor in??? Certainly doubt Lionel-Flyonel would attempt to offer a better product just because ALL of their competition does so every day. Regardless of where they make their offerings, they still have no feel for the market. IF there are 10,000 people who order a product and they only make 9,000 pieces, marketing can always claim they sold out, quickly. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23170	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin

Jim this is not aimed at you specifically.... If the feeling by the marketing department is that "nostalgia" is driving most American Flyer purchases then if you were running the company you would probably make the reissue look like the originals. Especially if you already owned the tooling for the shells. I know my feeling is that most American Flyer purchases are done for nostalgic reasons. All you have to do is listen to the frequent anecdotes on this list which provide misty-eyed accounts of first flyer sets and Christmases past. This is the best listing we have seen out of Lionel/LLC and last year was the best before this one. They from what I understand are mostly sold out. So how can anyone say they don't know the market? The only thing members of this list seem to have in common is S-gauge. Everyone wants their individual needs met. I am tempted to do a survey. The question would be how many of you would place a firm order for the either one of the Baldwins as they are planned? How may would place an order only if they included the handrails and cab modification. The sum of the two would be the total firm market on this list. I would venture a guess that adding the changes would not significantly increase the numbers. Bottom line they may know the market better than any individual who is merely expressing his own personal desires. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new Baldwin > > Are we asking the "Lion" to change it's mane???? In addition to > handrails and > grab rails, wasn't the cab altered to get the motor in??? Certainly doubt > Lionel-Flyonel would attempt to offer a better product just because ALL of > their competition does so every day. Regardless of where they make their > offerings, they still have no feel for the market. IF there are 10,000 > people who order a product and they only make 9,000 pieces, marketing can > always claim they sold out, quickly. > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23171	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Bending track

Hi, What a wonderful little article on track bending the three links provide. The way they show it, it's so simple! Thank you for taking the time to scan this in and share it with us! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: dav21248 <dav21248@...> To: Timboy@... Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:10 AM Subject: Bending track http://members.aol.com:/dav21248/track1.jpg http://members.aol.com:/dav21248/track2.jpg http://members.aol.com:/dav21248/track3.jpg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23172	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Where

Hi All: I will be in Vermont for a few days near Waitsfield (about halfway between Sugarbush and Stowe ski resorts). Are there any things of interest for model railroading in that neck of the woods (stores, layouts, etc.)? Does anyone know how far Crossroads of America is from there (It hink it is in New Hampshire) and is it even open for a visitor? Thanks in advance. Rance Velapoldi Norway

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23173	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyonel

----ORIGINAL MESSAGE (snip)----- <<<<<But, looking back to 1998, I have to wonder if that stuff will ever show up. If a dealer has 50 orders, will he need to order 100 in order to get enough to fill his 50 customers orders? Will a customer need to place orders at two dealers in order to have a chance one will be able to have one for him? Will they perhaps build only enough to fill advance orders? They have been doing better at building what they say they will, late perhaps, but they do build it, but still sometimes not as many as a dealer had ask for. So, when I place an order, I have to wonder if I'll get one, even if they do come in.>>>>> This was a valid concern a few years ago. As most of us know, Lionel had a reputation of under-producing the AF line, and both distributors and dealers were short-shipped their orders routinely. In my experience, this has not been the case the past 3-4 years. I believe, especially with the move to China, that they try to produce to meet all dealer advance orders. They don't OVER-produce, since I have never been able to obtain additional stock after-the-fact from Lionel. But at least they seem to meet the initial demand. Also from my own experience, I can say that only ONCE have I ever been short-shipped. With that one exception, I have always received, every year, 100% of the items I advance-ordered for my customers. (Knock on wood !!!!). I can also state, from personal knowledge, that at least in part, it has something to do with distributors and dealers who pay Lionel in full, and on time, vs. those who do not! (INSERT BLATANT AD----- As soon as we have images to post, we will have pricing and pre-ordering information on our website......Hopefully within a week or so.) I have yet to see an actual catalog, and it is not yet on the Lionel website...... Carl, my understanding was that there is mention within the catalog of a steam engine next fall, although no identification of what it is. Did you find that????? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23174	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Lionel 2003 Volume I

Was this just a typo, or does the catalog say: Accessories: #744 Floodlight Tower 6-49814 $99.99 I assume that this is the same as the Gilbert AF #774 Floodlight Tower. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23175	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel 2003 Volume I

Looks like a typo, the other lists show it as a 774. Here's a URL of where the pictures are supposed to be online, but this AM, the pic. links weren't working. This is from the TCA list. S' David D. http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=ebcategory.html/SID=PU T_SID_HERE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23176	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: L catalog

I find catalogs thru 2002 but no 2003 at http://www.lionel.com/ Roy Inman wrote: > > Does anyone remember what web site shows the most recent Lionel catalog, as > in the 2003-1? > Thanks :) > Roy Inman > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23177	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Mt. St .Helens Hopper.

Hi Everyone. Some posts ago there was talk of the Mt. St. Helens Hopper. I am curious what one is worth today with the original box in excellent condition ? Thanks AL ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23178	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1726

Re bending Flyer Track: I use a TRU-FLEX tool to re gage flyer track, works good. I have re gauged several curves to a (center line) radius of 24 3/8" (16 sections to a circle) to parallel the 19 1/4" radius of FLYER. The only cation I have, be careful when re clamping track to the ties, as not to bent the track vertically. I move the inside rail to the outside position, cut approximately 3/8" from the longer rail. Crimping tool is a 3/8" hex nut with a 3/32" slot (with of rail head) cut thru one side & a 3/8 hex nut that fits in tie under the crimp. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23179	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1726

Transformer repair: The reset button will cut the power to all out put terminals when pushed. noisy transformers are a result of a loose plate or mount being loose, all transformers produce a small amount of noise depending on how they were assembled. Caution don't attempt any repair on any 110v equipment with out proper training and knowledge of high voltage. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23180	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: new Baldwin

I personally don't care whether or not the new L LLC Baldwin has handrails. I don't plan to buy any of the new Lionel; have managed to get this far without owning a single piece of theirs. It's just that making brass wire end rails for the Baldwin is easy and they look great. If L LLC is going to flood the market with Baldwins, I'm going to write up how to do this project. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23181	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: If Lionel offered a Baldwin switcher would you buy it? o No o Only if it had handrails o Yes To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1027610 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23182	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Baldwin poll.....

As of a minute ago,....100% of us would NOT buy a Lionel Baldwin,....well, I'm the only vote so far!!! I have a AF Baldwin already,...my next switcher will most likely come from SHS. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23183	From: trainman634	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Brand of S-Gauge Track

Which brand of S-Gauge track do you use on your layout?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23184	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

In a message dated 1/21/2003 12:59:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > S-Trains group: > > If Lionel offered a Baldwin switcher > would you buy it? > ..... a REALLY silly question, given that it is sight unseen. Almost no one here has even seen the catalog. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23185	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Brand of S-Gauge Track

***(((Which brand of S-Gauge track do you use on your layout?)))*** I use good old A. C. Gilbert AF track with A. C. Gilbert rubber road bed. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23186	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains

**(((If Lionel offered a Baldwin switcher would you buy it?)))*** **(((..... a REALLY silly question, given that it is sight unseen. Almost no one here has even seen the catalog.)))*** This may be true,....the question does say "IF" however. :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23187	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: track

I use AF with rubber roadbed and some GarGrave flexible. In the 'old days' I used truscale wooden roadbed with the ties and grooves and brass rail. Someone used t make nickel silver flex track-think I had a couple of sections-which when I ran a PA with brass wheels was extrordinarily quiet. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23188	From: keith kuzma	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains

I don't think it was silly either.Mark's point last night was most people are predetermined if they are going to buy or not buy it regardless of what it looks like. Keith --- Rick Evans <comic@...> wrote: > > **(((If Lionel offered a Baldwin switcher would you > buy it?)))*** > > **(((..... a REALLY silly question, given that it is > sight unseen. Almost no one > here has even seen the catalog.)))*** > > > This may be true,....the question does say "IF" > however. :^) > > > Rick. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23189	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

Well, maybe the question is, if we come out in large numbers and state here that we are not going to purchase Lionel's new offerings, is that going to kill the fruit on the vine? Perhaps some of these new offering will thus become vaperware? Would this be a good thing? Just a thought. And what about the rumored steam engine? keith kuzma wrote: >I don't think it was silly either.Mark's point last >night was most people are predetermined if they are >going to buy or not buy it regardless of what it >looks like. Keith > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23190	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Brand of S-Gauge Track

In a message dated 1/21/03 1:08:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, carl4260@... writes: > Which brand of S-Gauge track do you use on your layout? > > Hi Carl, Beth and I have been using the S-Trax system on our portable Christmas Layout. We have the large and middle radius track on the outside, and the 20 inch radius on the 3rd inside loop. We are constantly being asked where we get our track, and receiving great comments about how it looks so real. I'm also told how well I ballast the track and lay my roadbed. Of course when I show them my sample track, they are amazed it is premolded into 1 piece. Derailments. Not on our layout! Unless a coat or balloon knocks something over. We have run the new Thomas Engine at full throttle with a 18B transformer without any derailments. It is a very smooth and quite running track. If you aren't a true scale modeler, you can't beat the S-Trax. Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23191	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

***(((Well, maybe the question is, if we come out in large numbers and state here that we are not going to purchase Lionel's new offerings, is that going to kill the fruit on the vine? Perhaps some of these new offering will thus become vaperware? Would this be a good thing?)))*** Now I certainly don't want to stir the pot,...I have said in the past, I would love to see a WHOLE catalog of new Flyer goodies, (please, no letters!),...BUT,...I find the so called "New" offerings by the big "L",..to be,...well,...OLD offerings! Some is better then none I guess,...and at least they are putting out somethin'......and what about that steam engine... a re-release of an Atlantic?? OOooo...sign me up!! :^) Are the road names new on the Lionel Baldwins,...I know my AF is a North Western. Ok,.. just looked it up,...Gilbert made a Seaboard,...no Sante Fe though. New road names on rolling stock and such, is a plus, I believe. For the record,...I have bought three newer Lionel AF items,...Gabe, sawmill, and the NP Freedom boxcar. (not counting the Christmas cars off ebay)...and I am sure I will by more. But for me,..like I said,...the next switcher will be from SHS,...and use WITH my AF Baldwin. I certainly don't want to discourage Lionel,....I just hope they keep their thinkin' caps on!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23192	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Brand of S-Gauge Track

The old half of my layout uses a mix of AF on rubber roadbed and ballasted gargraves. The newer half is primarily AM code 148 flex on roadbed with ballast. "trainman634 " wrote: > > Which brand of S-Gauge track do you use on your layout? > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23193	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

From: "Rick Evans" **** "But for me,..like I said,...the next switcher will be from SHS,...and use WITH my AF Baldwin." **** Now this raises a question. Has anyone tried this? Are the SHS engines so slow as to not be "pair-able" with the AF Baldwins?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23194	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: web site

hi, been trying to build a web site to sell off excess trains,not much of a site yet still working on it. home.attbi.com/~lglumac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23195	From: knockbill	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Handcar chassis

Hi Guys Thanks for the replys ..... I ended up boring the chassis out to fit the OD of the brass tube, The ID is just the right size.....I made the tube a little longer than the seat in the chassis, so the new bushing would span the worn spot in the armature.... I also milled the top of the tube, so the brush bracket would sit flat, & the gears would mesh in the same spot...... Worked out well... Does any one know what the wire size & resistance should be for the hand car armature?? I have one that is burned out, and I think its time to redo them all!! Thanks again for the replys, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23196	From: trainman634	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: S-Gauge Roadbed

What brand of roadbed do you use on your S-Gauge layout?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23197	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

It seems like Lionel will make just the powered Seaboard Baldwin switcher. Since American Flyer made the Seaboards in powered and dummy sets, you have to wonder if Lionel will make a dummy Seaboard later on. It will be interesting to see which Santa Fe scheme they will make - blue and yellow or zebra stripes. There is little Lionel AF that I ever owned or want to own, but it might be worth owning a Baldwin that runs well. A few years back, I converted an original AF T&P to DC, and of course it runs much better. You can actually switch with it. Does anybody want to guess what the steam locomotive will be? I would say that it's a 100% chance of being something AF produced, and my top guess would be the CNW 4-6-2, since they mention two road names and it's rather generic looking. Next would be the Hudson, with the Atlantic as third choice, and 0-6-0T Dockside as fourth choice. (It would be nice to see a smooth running 0-6-0T, too.) What if they make a Casey Jones - would anybody buy any of those? Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23198	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: New AF Steamer form Lionel

Here is a quote from the introduction letter of the new 2003 catalog by Bill Bracy CEO of Lionel LLC. "All you AC Gilbert fans, prepare for explosive growth in the American Flyer category with new diesels, operating cars, and even 4 new operating accessories - and later this year, an all new die-cast steam locomotive, equipped with TMCC and Railsounds! " So there you go. TMCC ... Cool Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23199	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel 2003 Volume I

You are correct I made a typo it's a #774. Sorry, Carl -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:19 AM To: S Trains; Joseph Haenn Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel 2003 Volume I Looks like a typo, the other lists show it as a 774. Here's a URL of where the pictures are supposed to be online, but this AM, the pic. links weren't working. This is from the TCA list. S' David D. http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/ebshop.pl/page=ebcategory.html/SID=PU T_SID_HERE S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23200	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Brand of S-Gauge Track

Ditto!!John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <comic@d...> wrote: > ***(((Which brand of S-Gauge track do you use on your layout?)))*** > > > I use good old A. C. Gilbert AF track with A. C. Gilbert rubber road bed. > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23201	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin

Right On Tom. There is nothing Lionel could ever make that I would be interested in!!John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > I personally don't care whether or not the new L LLC Baldwin has handrails. > I don't plan to buy any of the new Lionel; have managed to get this far > without owning a single piece of theirs. > > It's just that making brass wire end rails for the Baldwin is easy and they > look great. If L LLC is going to flood the market with Baldwins, I'm going > to write up how to do this project. > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23202	From: David	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Baldwin poll.....

I voted NO. I am like Chris, I own NONE of L products. I don't like them. I've not been able to find an SHS switcher in PA. Dealers never have any in PA. Now, IF L made a nice one in PA livery, they might convince me to try one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23203	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

As some of you know...I have LOTS of AF...original...I still run my 0-8-0 set and my 302 ac set...Recently I pulled a like new 499 out of the box...it ran fine...but when I put 4 pass cars behind it it just set there spinning its wheels.....So I pulled out a new lionel New Haven...put it on the tracks..added 8 pass cars....900 series streamline...Away it flew....I buy mostly AF...But I am looking forward to this years stuff...Log Loader? I might get a Baldwin and some other stuff... As for track...I have several boxes of switches, crossovers, track accessories, etc. ... So I guess this new layout will use AF track....Got to change the radius on some for the double track main line...Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23204	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: New AF Steamer form Lionel

In a message dated 1/21/03 6:11:49 PM, carl@... writes: << and later this year, an all new die-cast steam locomotive, equipped with TMCC and Railsounds! " So there you go. TMCC ... Cool Carl >> Agreed!!! Looking forward to seeing what they produce. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23205	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

In a message dated 1/21/03 6:54:39 PM, rcon7@... writes: << So I pulled out a new lionel New Haven...put it on the tracks..added 8 pass cars....900 series streamline...Away it flew... >> One can quibble about can-motored Flyonel and how it runs (and I do) , but it does pull wallpaper off of walls. :-) RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23206	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Baldwin poll.....

Dear David, We have PRR SW-1s in stock. Hobby Shops usually only carry local railroads, you did not say where you lived and your referring to PRR as PA, I am assuming you are not from Pennsylvania. We also sell direct and many of our dealers are on this list. Best regards, Don David wrote: >I voted NO. I am like Chris, I own NONE of L products. I don't like >them. I've not been able to find an SHS switcher in PA. Dealers never >have any in PA. Now, IF L made a nice one in PA livery, they might >convince me to try one. > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23207	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin

Hey guys, NEVER say "Never" It'll come back to haunt you!! ;-) S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23208	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

"One can quibble about can-motored Flyonel and how it runs (and I do) , but it does pull wallpaper off of walls. :-) " Oh great, another reason for SWMBO to not want the trains in the house! "I JUST put up that wallpaper!! Lookit what your @#!! train did!!" S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23209	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: bending track

Jerry, What is a TRU-FLEX tool and where do you get them? I like the 3/8" hex nut idea. Thanks for adding your experience to this discussion. Lance Message: 10 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:52:14 -0700 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1726 Re bending Flyer Track: I use a TRU-FLEX tool to re gage flyer track, works good. I have re gauged several curves to a (center line) radius of 24 3/8" (16 sections to a circle) to parallel the 19 1/4" radius of FLYER. The only cation I have, be careful when re clamping track to the ties, as not to bent the track vertically. I move the inside rail to the outside position, cut approximately 3/8" from the longer rail. Crimping tool is a 3/8" hex nut with a 3/32" slot (with of rail head) cut thru one side & a 3/8 hex nut that fits in tie under the crimp. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23210	From: AL MUNCY	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: TRAIN SHOP

There is going to be a Train Show in Lake Wales, FL. on Sat. Feb. 1. 10AM-4PM. Lake Wales is in the center if the state where US 27 & SR60 meet. There will be sign all over town to lead you there. More info cntact me off list

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23211	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Lionel Catalog photos online

I found this link from the O Gauge Railroading Forum website. There are pics of the Baldwins (Seaboard and AT&SF) as well as the Seaboard caboose and Santa Fe crane and work caboose. http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album17?&page=3

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23212	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: What's you favorite S guage track? o Origianal AF Track o S-Trax o S-Trax Flexible o American S o Gargraves o American Models o Other To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1027820 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23213	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Wake-Up Call ?

Competition is great! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23214	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin

Right On Tom. There is nothing Lionel could ever make that I would be > interested in!!John B. John, et al, This is not necessairly directed at you, it was just convenient to use your post for reply, and it represents the thinking, apparently of others on the list. Frankly, I don't get it. Is the Flyonel bashing because (a) Lionel took over Flyer? Well, at least SOMEBODY took it over. A.C. would not have lived forever. Flyer would have had to be taken over by somebody, sometime. Lionel, Marx, Marklin, etc., etc., are all owned not by the founders, and in most cases, not even by any one remotely connected with the original owners. Or is it (b) poor quality? Now personally I have not experienced poor quality in the (only) six Flyonel engines I have purchased. I did find them to be smooth runners with perfect paint schemes, and where sound was involved, superior audio. To look at poor quality, one doesn't haven't to search very far: MTH, older Lionel 0 gauge, Bachman in all scales, Third Rail, etc. Point being that Lionel made Flyer has no corner on what I can only assume to be spotty quality. Maybe it is (c) the fact that Lionel has done, in effect, reissues of the same stuff? For you folks who have been collecting Flyer for 20 years, have easy access to large Eastern or Chicago train shows that have lots of Flyer, I hear your pain. But for myself, the reissue stuff gives me a chance to have some updated equipment of classic color schemes, and road names. And I have read on this list, and heard from my die-hard Flyer friends, when looking at some Gilbert-kit-bashed piece of equipment, "Well, it's nice, but Flyer never made it," their noses upturned, sniffing. So which way do they want it? Never produced, items from the Gilbert factory (which is gone of course) or new road names and new items under the Flyer name? (Just BTW: the few pieces of Gilbert Flyer that I have been able to acquire has required considerable labor, in some cases, to operate as intended. As far as accessories goes, I KNOW the older Gilbert or Lionel stuff worked with great inconsistency. And so does some of the new stuff. So what's different?) MTH produced a UP Veranda Turbine that would not round corners because of truck problems. Entire run was recalled, and fixed. Perhaps the bashing is because (d) "Lionel did us dirty by"....(fill in the blank), among other things, promising to produce items and then not doing so. What manufacturer hasn't? Even our beloved old Gilbert cataloged but did not produce certain items. Lionel, MTH, Bachman, etc., continue the tradition. But it might be because of (e) "Lionel did not produce what I PERSONALLY WANTED THEM TO PRODUCE! Brace yourselves, now, this will come as a revelation: Any company makes only what it believes will sell, and sell very well. Projected runs of everything from cars, to toy trains are based on the best market research, the best information available at the time. Is there anyone on the list who really thinks that Lionel would not make mega quantities of Flyer if demand warrented? The ONLY reason for being in business, the ONLY reason is to make a profit. (Unless, of course a company is set up as a non-profit or not for profit-but that is to avoid taxes) Period, end of story. Any other motivation, and said company is out of business, sooner or later. Hey, how a collector/operator spends his/her money is absolutely none of my business. If someone is dead set against buying any new Flyer, more power to him/her. However, I submit that attitude may be partly (and I mean that just as it sounds: PARTLY) the reason that Lionel has not produced more and more variety in the Flyer line. "You guys" won't buy it. Heck, I wish A. C. Gilbert were still with us, holding court in New Haven. I wish the Big Boys were still out on the high line, attacking Sherman Hill. I wish Elvis were alive. I wish I were younger, better-looking and rich. Not. Not ever. Respectfully, Roy Inman > From: "John Brockmann <hcopter51@...>" <hcopter51@...> > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:20:17 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: new Baldwin > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23215	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Pairing AM Baldwin Switcher

I've paired my AM Baldwin with my SHS switcher with fine results. Both are superb machines. The Baldwin has wonderful slow pulling power. I'm hoping to paint/weather mine & install additional rails. If you want to see a picture of a great B&O Baldwin switcher, go to <A HREF="http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo9278.jpg"> http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo9278.jpg</A> Paul Schilling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23216	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin

Tom, I'm considering buying the Santa Fe baldwin because it can only run better than the 50s vintage baldwin that I have:) I also have a string of PM SF hoppers that could use a good engine. Hey, It's a toy, it's fun. When you put together plans to put railings on the baldwins, I'm interested.. Jeff Tangeman At 12:50 PM 1/21/03 -0500, you wrote: >I personally don't care whether or not the new L LLC Baldwin has handrails. >I don't plan to buy any of the new Lionel; have managed to get this far >without owning a single piece of theirs. > >It's just that making brass wire end rails for the Baldwin is easy and they >look great. If L LLC is going to flood the market with Baldwins, I'm going >to write up how to do this project. > >Tom Jarcho > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23217	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Baldwin switcher

I'm considering buying the Santa Fe version IF it's painted the black and white and not some prefered/imagined pattern. If I recall, AM sells a baldwin switcher with railings that runs well and is 100.00 dollars cheaper. I do have the funny feeling that L will come out with a "new" atlantic. At what they are paying their Chinese workers you would think that L would make a die cast shell and more elaborate running gear for the thing. Maybe I'll save 200.00 and buy an old 300 or a PM 21107 Then again... I am also in the middle of restoring my kitchen back to it's arts & crafts roots and I could use the 250.00 on replacement red oak flooring or 100+ sq. ft of subway tile. Decisions, decisions:) Jeff ps. The baldwin can only run better and perhaps the shell will not break at the screw hole;)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23218	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Just Wondering!!!!

Now that lionel is going to give us something in the old AF style.....Can kline and Mth just stick "s" trucks on their "o" cars and get us to buy the stuff? Or are they going to have to do something MUCH BETTER??????? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23219	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Baldwin switcher

There's no decision. You need more trains. -Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Tangeman To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Baldwin switcher I'm considering buying the Santa Fe version IF it's painted the black and white and not some prefered/imagined pattern. If I recall, AM sells a baldwin switcher with railings that runs well and is 100.00 dollars cheaper. I do have the funny feeling that L will come out with a "new" atlantic. At what they are paying their Chinese workers you would think that L would make a die cast shell and more elaborate running gear for the thing. Maybe I'll save 200.00 and buy an old 300 or a PM 21107 Then again... I am also in the middle of restoring my kitchen back to it's arts & crafts roots and I could use the 250.00 on replacement red oak flooring or 100+ sq. ft of subway tile. Decisions, decisions:) Jeff ps. The baldwin can only run better and perhaps the shell will not break at the screw hole;) S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23220	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Baldwin switcher

Tim's right. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23221	From: waldootten	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Brand of S-Gauge Track

> Which brand of S-Gauge track do you use on your layout? < I use American Models code 148 with AMI Instant Roadbed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23222	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

Saw the catalog at my local train store today. Santa Fe is the silver and black zebra stripes. Mike Vana wrote: > > It seems like Lionel will make just the powered > Seaboard Baldwin switcher. Since American Flyer > made the Seaboards in powered and dummy sets, > you have to wonder if Lionel will make a dummy > Seaboard later on. > > It will be interesting to see which Santa Fe > scheme they will make - blue and yellow or zebra > stripes. > > There is little Lionel AF that I ever owned > or want to own, but it might be worth owning a > Baldwin that runs well. A few years back, I > converted an original AF T&P to DC, and of course > it runs much better. You can actually switch with it. > > Does anybody want to guess what the steam locomotive > will be? I would say that it's a 100% chance of being > something AF produced, and my top guess would be the > CNW 4-6-2, since they mention two road names and it's > rather generic looking. Next would be the Hudson, > with the Atlantic as third choice, and 0-6-0T Dockside > as fourth choice. (It would be nice to see a smooth > running 0-6-0T, too.) What if they make a Casey Jones - > would anybody buy any of those? > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23223	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Baldwin Switcher

I'll buy one. Will be nice to have one that will actually pull something...... Steve......S-'n-S Trains ps....We're working on a Baldwin Can motor conversion. We have a prototype!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23224	From: Dave	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Catalog photos online

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs <sgriggs@u...>" <sgriggs@u...> wrote: > I found this link from the O Gauge Railroading Forum website. > > There are pics of the Baldwins (Seaboard and AT&SF) as well as the > Seaboard caboose and Santa Fe crane and work caboose. > > http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album17?&page=3 Looking at the caboose it apears to have the same oversized trucks the Lionel started useing a few years ago. Too bad. If "L" made a better looking and freer rolling truck I just might get interested again. I think if Gilbert had stayed in bussines his product line would have been updated regularly. Flyer might look very much like AM or SHS. Just my opinion.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23225	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Bending Track

Why in the world would anyone waste their time bending existing track to get a second outer track when K-Line already makes a wide radius tinplate track? Also, there are 3 different radii of SHS Flex Track that mate perfectly with AF track in rubber roadbed. We use both on our modular layouts. Could it be that "I will never use it if AC himself did not create it?" Well, some people love nostalgia. I love S gauge trains!!!! Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23226	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: You Go, Roy

Well said, Roy. AMEN! ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23227	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Body Double

It appears that Lionel is using their "new" S gauge chassis for the crane car as the chassis for their "all new design" O gauge SF Command Control Crane Car. Could this mean that a Command Control Crane Car for S is in the offing? Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23228	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Steam Engine?

Hay, how about a Franklin? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23229	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

RB wrote: >One can quibble about can-motored Flyonel and how it runs (and I >do) , but it does pull wallpaper off of walls. :-) Yes, for a VERY short time. But if you tax that motor in such a way for very long the motor will burn out. That's especially true for the pre-1990 locos. Let's hope any wallpaper you wish to remove by such method is already peeling away of itself. Personally, I'd rather the thing could just pull a few cars safely for more than 15 minutes. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23230	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/21/2003
Subject: Roy asked ...

OK Roy, you asked... >Is the Flyonel bashing because (a) Lionel took over Flyer? Personally, no. It's because Flyonel continues to offer inferior S gauge products, demands too many $ for them, then uses the predictably limited sales as justification for more of the same, blaming "the market" (us.) It's an ongoing ruse that I find insulting. >Well, at least SOMEBODY took it over. A.C. would not have lived >forever. Of course Gilbert didn't live forever, that has no bearing on the issue. It WOULD be nice if AF was under the control of someone who believed in S gauge as a concept, which none of AF's post-Gilbert owners have. Lionel is seeing to it that such sympathetic ownership never occurs. >(b) poor quality? That doesn't help, but Flyonel quality control has improved over the years. Unfortunately, that issue is minor compared to the one stated above. >Now personally I have not experienced poor quality in the ... >Flyonel engines I have purchased. I sure have. >I did find them to be smooth runners After some work, my new SF geep ran pretty smoothly right up until it quit. Ten cars on level track was too much for it. >with perfect paint schemes, Lionel has done better than Gilbert at that, I agree. >(c) the fact that Lionel has done, in effect, reissues of the >same stuff? It's more the fact that that's ALL they do. Reissues are fine, but SHEESH! >I KNOW the older Gilbert or Lionel stuff worked with great >inconsistency. And so does some of the new stuff. So what's >different?) The difference is some 50 years of technological development in the rest of the world, the application of which which Lionel has (so far) limited to kluged retrofits (sound notwithstanding), not truly NEW stuff. >Perhaps the bashing is because (d) "Lionel did us dirty by"....(fill >in the blank) See above. >Even our beloved old Gilbert cataloged but did not produce certain >items. There is no comparison. The amount of promised/cancelled items by Gilbert was miniscule compared to Lionel's cancelled promises. >But it might be because of (e) "Lionel did not produce what I >PERSONALLY WANTED THEM TO PRODUCE! My Flyonel preferences would be very broad, more conceptual than specific items, and they overlap with the desires of many other S gaugers. But Lionel has missed even those theoretical "wants" by light years. Still, with me that's relatively insignificant issue compared to the first item above. >Any company makes only what it believes will sell, and sell very >well. Of course, but you see, that brings us back to the problem with Lionel. Brace yourself: -----LIONEL DOES NOT BELIEVE IN S GAUGE.----- In fact, I think it's a safe bet that Lionel is a little afraid of S, and of what the AF line could do with an overhaul and significant development. That's why they don't do that much with AF, at least not enough to make AF truly successful in any widely accepted sense. Someone noted (rightly) that Lionel's chief concern is the "nostalgia" market. That's correct. That's also another aspect of the problem. Lionel will acknowledge no appeal of AF other than Baby Boomer nostalgia. >Projected runs of everything from cars, to toy trains are based on >the best market research, the best information available at the time. "The best market research" based on their own puny vision of what AF should be, that is. "Hey bub, wanna buy a reissued version of a 50- year old loco for $300 when there are far superior models for $100 less? You DON'T? Shucks, we just can't understand you S guys." >Is there anyone on the list who really thinks that Lionel would not >make mega quantities of Flyer if demand warrented? Yes, me. I doubt that they want "mega quantities of Flyer" to be sold, they're worried about that cutting into Lionel 0 gauge sales. Of course there isn't demand for "mega quantities" of THEIR version of AF. They've seen to that themselves. The idea at Lionel seems to be to make a little on the side with AF as long as it doesn't get outta hand and hamper other Lionel product lines. Conflict of interest is alive and well at the big L, I suspect. >If someone is dead set against buying any new Flyer, more power to >him/her. I haven't ruled out ever buying Flyonel again. What I'm "dead set against" is being deceived/baited/shamed into it. >I wish A. C. Gilbert were still with us, holding court in New Haven. I sincerely hope that Gilbert is unaware of the current state of AF. He would be profoundly saddened. Sorry, Roy, but you asked. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23231	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Bending Track

Hi, I knew somebody was going to howl about this. Re-bending track isn't destroying it. It can be put back. Putting a can motor into a vintage Flyer loco isn't destroying it. It can be put back. The Gilbert technicians re-bent (and for that matter cut) track when building their Hall of Science toy train layouts. They also removed the reverse units so there wouldn't be any unexpected cycling into neutral. They did not, to anyone's knowledge, repaint rolling stock or otherwise make any other permanent mechanical alterations to their products. I believe we can do, with impunity, what they did. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn To: S Trains Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Bending Track Why in the world would anyone waste their time bending existing track to get a second outer track when K-Line already makes a wide radius tinplate track? Also, there are 3 different radii of SHS Flex Track that mate perfectly with AF track in rubber roadbed. We use both on our modular layouts. Could it be that "I will never use it if AC himself did not create it?" Well, some people love nostalgia. I love S gauge trains!!!! Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23232	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Catalog photos online

Hi, Extrapolating the past into the future, I don't think there is any doubt that Gilbert would have pushed the envelope of toy trains in terms of realism, and technological advancements to enhance their operating characteristics. This is given that the toy train market would support a reasonable ROI, which we all know it didn't in the 60s; one of the reasons for the cheapening of the line and the resultant quick demise of the factory. So what we are left with is the fact that the factory did close and there was an end to the Flyer toy train line. And that is why I believe the Flyer trains should be preserved as is and not permanently (key word - permanently) modified. If we want state-of-the-art toy trains, I think we should buy them new, as such from whomever we wish to support as the future of the gauge AND preserve our rich heritage. IMHO, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave <dwargo3@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Catalog photos online --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs <sgriggs@u...>" <sgriggs@u...> wrote: > I found this link from the O Gauge Railroading Forum website. > > There are pics of the Baldwins (Seaboard and AT&SF) as well as the > Seaboard caboose and Santa Fe crane and work caboose. > > http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album17?&page=3 Looking at the caboose it apears to have the same oversized trucks the Lionel started useing a few years ago. Too bad. If "L" made a better looking and freer rolling truck I just might get interested again. I think if Gilbert had stayed in bussines his product line would have been updated regularly. Flyer might look very much like AM or SHS. Just my opinion. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23233	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Clarification

Hi, One thing I failed to clarify is this: at York and also on the largest toy train market in the world that some say we are not allowed to talk about on this list, I've noticed guys who have taken otherwise unusable Flyer pieces and have fixed and repainted them with splendid results. My hat's off to them. I buy old, rusted track that nobody else wants. It's unusable as is - too far gone to be cleaned and used. It's this track I clean, repaint, cut and am thinking about re-bending to suit. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23234	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Lionel American Flyer

I could not agree more with Roy Inman's post. I love the old American Flyer and love even more the new Lionel American Flyer. If it wasen't for Lionel, there would be "NO" American Flyer today. I ran my new flyer at Christmas and no break downs, you just can't beat those can motors. I got my new catalog yesterday and went to the American Flyer section and just looked at the new Baldwins there great. I hope that they will produce a steamer. I also collect and run "O" gauge.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23235	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: New Lionel pix

Take a look at this page from the Lionel 2003 catalog and tell me if you see the Santa Fe, the Comet and the Rocket. Wow, when I saw this page as a thumbnail I was jumping up and down like a third grader who has to pee. http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album17/aaq Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23236	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: New American Flyer PFE Reefer

All you Lionel American Flyer Doom Slayers, have you noticed that the new Pacific Fruit Express Reefer has door rails and doors that open with a latch.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23237	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

In a message dated 1/22/2003 1:07:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, jayhoo64@... writes: > Yes, for a VERY short time. But if you tax that motor in such a way > for very long the motor will burn out. That's especially true for the > pre-1990 locos. > > Let's hope any wallpaper you wish to remove by such method is already > peeling away of itself. Personally, I'd rather the thing could just > pull a few cars safely for more than 15 minutes. > > Chuck F. > Chuck, there is much I do not like about the operation of Flyonel (they could stand having fly wheels among other things) , but I have found them to be very dependable and to pull long trains for extended stretches of time with no problems. The only true "dogs" that I know of are the Erie PAs. In fact, I have had more problems with one sample of a diesel from your favorite brand (to go unmentioned <grin> but now resolved) than with all of my Flyonel combined. A good Flyer buddy here in Midland has run Flyonel engines for extended periods with no failures either. Again, much could be done to improve the Lionel Flyer line, but pulling power and chronic field failures are not among them. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23238	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer

Yes it is another first for Lionel. -----Original Message----- From: jackotrains <joppdp@...> [mailto:joppdp@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:29 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New American Flyer PFE Reefer All you Lionel American Flyer Doom Slayers, have you noticed that the new Pacific Fruit Express Reefer has door rails and doors that open with a latch. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23239	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New Lionel pix

Chris...they look "o" to me...3 rail track....Bob....But if they do a rocket....I will take one...bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] New Lionel pix > Take a look at this page from the Lionel 2003 catalog and tell me if you see > the Santa Fe, the Comet and the Rocket. Wow, when I saw this page as a > thumbnail I was jumping up and down like a third grader who has to pee. > > http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album17/aaq > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23240	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New Lionel pix

They are 0. And they are the actual liveries not the Rocket and Comet. I was just talking about a first impression of a Lionel catalog with 50 year old Flyer imagery. Chris Zizzo ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Lionel pix > Chris...they look "o" to me...3 rail track....Bob....But if they do a > rocket....I will take one...bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> > To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:52 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] New Lionel pix > > > > Take a look at this page from the Lionel 2003 catalog and tell me if you > see > > the Santa Fe, the Comet and the Rocket. Wow, when I saw this page as a > > thumbnail I was jumping up and down like a third grader who has to pee. > > > > http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album17/aaq > > > > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23241	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Glancy Trains

The club that was supporting these catalog pages is called Glancy Trains. They have a lot of nice photography. I got inspired and customized one of their photos and they posted it. Try this: http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album16/aas I went even further later and removed the center rail. He hasn't posted that one yet, but I'll send a copy to anyone who wants one. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23242	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Lionel

I also collect and run "O" gauge. Duh! No woodier you like Lionel. Only the Christmas cars in S for me. I have a lot of the new stuff in the original. My money goes to S-Helper and the new S manufacturers. They have wakened us to S, not Lionel! If you want to buy something just because it has a name attached to it, go for it. I would prefer they call the Lionel AF, Lionel S-Gauge. Leave the American Flyer name to the past. Just like the AMC Gremlin. :] Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23243	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Doomslayers

"All you Lionel American Flyer Doom Slayers, have you noticed that the new Pacific Fruit Express Reefer has door rails and doors that open with a latch." I'll bet without looking they are the same thing as the Christmas cars. Nothing new again! Latches almost always come open and you have to stop the train before any merchandise falls out! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23244	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1729

Adjustable rail bender: I found the tool at a swap meet. It has three wheels 3/4"dia, in a triangular pattern with the bottom wheel adjustable for different radius, mounted on a 3 1/2" x 2 1/2" plate. I drew a curve on a sheet of cardboard and match the curve of the rail to the templet. Manufactured by TRU-SCALE Products Inc. a division of Aurora Plastics Corp. You might check with Doug at Port line. I use A.F track set on jute carpet pad. I add wood ties and ballast (cat litter). On some of the straight sections I use Gar-Graves to reduce the number of track joints. Re gaging existing A.F. track is just part of the hobby. The same reason H.O.'ers hand lay rail and switches. + it uses track that I have on hand. + I can have any radius I want. + At $4.00 =/- per section for new large radius track leaves me more to spend on rolling stock. Also I have used manual A.F. switches, with a scroll saw cut off switch motor housing and using a OEM switch motor mounted under or on the opposite side, this enables me to have latter switches in my yards with out the interference of stock switch motor housing. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23245	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer

Is a "Doom Slayer" one who slays doom? That would make him an upbeat kinda guy. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: jackotrains <joppdp@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] New American Flyer PFE Reefer All you Lionel American Flyer Doom Slayers, have you noticed that the new Pacific Fruit Express Reefer has door rails and doors that open with a latch. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23246	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: bending track up/down

I am not particularly interested in bending Flyer track to new radii. Have always been fascinated by the challenge of using only straights, curves, and cut sections to make any conrfiguration needed. And what do I do to alter the rubber roadbed??? Where I WOULD like to start bending track is at the beginning and end of trestles or elevated segments. I am dissatisfied with having a grade start or end abruptly at a track joint. My locomotives don't like it much either. Has anyone ever done this, and how? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23247	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin

***(((However, I submit that attitude may be partly (and I mean that just as it sounds: PARTLY) the reason that Lionel has not produced more and more variety in the Flyer line. "You guys" won't buy it.)))**** That's the big circle,........they put out an over priced reissue AF boxcar (etc.), same ol' road name....we don't buy it,... so they figure no use wasting time and money putting out more Flyonel!! The offerings seem to be getting better these last two years though! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23248	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: I don't think the Flyonel diesels suffer from axle bushing wear to the extent that Gilbert diesels do. And Lionel has yet to build a stinker like the original Gilbert Baldwin as far as operational performance. Apart from being a little on the noisy side, I'm very pleased with the performance of my MoPac LTI diesels. > Chuck, there is much I do not like about the operation of Flyonel (they could > stand having fly wheels among other things) , but I have found them to be > very dependable and to pull long trains for extended stretches of time with > no problems. The only true "dogs" that I know of are the Erie PAs. In fact, I > have had more problems with one sample of a diesel from your favorite brand > (to go unmentioned <grin> but now resolved) than with all of my Flyonel > combined. A good Flyer buddy here in Midland has run Flyonel engines for > extended periods with no failures either. > > Again, much could be done to improve the Lionel Flyer line, but pulling power > and chronic field failures are not among them. > > RB > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23249	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Bending Track

Hi Joe, I was thinking "cry fowl" when I typed "howl". That'll learn me to type before morning coffee. Sorry. K-Line only makes two radii: 20" and 27". What if I wanted something else? That is why I would bend old, rusted rehabbed track in the first place - also a lot cheaper than K-Line track. I buy the old stuff at about 30 cents a section - that's how bad it is. I don't believe in placing the old stuff up on a pedestal either - it should be run and enjoyed as a toy. However, I'm against dissecting it, unless there is no other way to save it. Maybe see you at the Timonium, MD show this weekend. Regards, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn To: Tim Brown Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bending Track Tim, I think you totally misunderstood my comment. It said, "why bend track for an outer raius curve when K-Line already produces that track." I have no problem painting, bashing, changing, or whatever anything that ACG made. After all, they are only toys. They are not to be revered. Joe --- Tim Brown <Timboy@...> wrote: > Hi, > > I knew somebody was going to howl about this. > Re-bending track isn't destroying it. It can be put > back. Putting a can motor into a vintage Flyer loco > isn't destroying it. It can be put back. The > Gilbert technicians re-bent (and for that matter > cut) track when building their Hall of Science toy > train layouts. They also removed the reverse units > so there wouldn't be any unexpected cycling into > neutral. They did not, to anyone's knowledge, > repaint rolling stock or otherwise make any other > permanent mechanical alterations to their products. > I believe we can do, with impunity, what they did. > > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Haenn > To: S Trains > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:06 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Bending Track > > > Why in the world would anyone waste their time > bending > existing track to get a second outer track when > K-Line > already makes a wide radius tinplate track? Also, > there are 3 different radii of SHS Flex Track that > mate perfectly with AF track in rubber roadbed. > We > use both on our modular layouts. > > Could it be that "I will never use it if AC > himself > did not create it?" Well, some people love > nostalgia. > I love S gauge trains!!!! > > Joe > > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: > 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC > 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer > Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 > part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert > Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains > International > joestrainrepair@... Master > Card/Visa > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23250	From: Bradley	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: lionel-flyer GP7-9

I recently purchased a new Rock Island Lionel-Flyer GP7-9. Half of the lower front steps are cut away to allow the front truck to swivel properly. The engine was brand new in the box so it had to be done at the factory. The front truck still binds on the steps on standard AF curves. The engine speed is somewhat erratic also, even after oiling. It has a really nice paint job but the operational end sure is lacking. Does anyone else have one with the same problems. I'm going to try and return it but would be interested in hearing from others on this. Being perfectly honest I have some pikemaster engines that run better than this thing does. Any comments or advice will be much appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23251	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Glancy Trains

In a message dated 1/22/2003 11:42:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, busyboy@... writes: > The club that was supporting these catalog pages is called Glancy Trains. > That's my gang! It is a real good group of guys and I am happy to "do" 0 gauge with them. Dan Machesky does a great job of taking care of the pictures, videos, and our Glancy site as a whole. The T1 and M1a pictured are mine -- sure hope to see these steamers in Gilbert-compatible S some day with TMCC, RS, electrocouplers, etc! RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23252	From: trainman634	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: AF/LTI Part #40-8702-025

I am looking for AF/LTI Part # 40-8702-025 Window Shell. It is for the Square Window Caboose. Does anyone have any of them for sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23253	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Steam Engine?

Or a Washington??? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@y...> wrote: > Hay, how about a Franklin? > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23254	From: AF336	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Burning up can motors

I have not ever burned out a Flyonel motor, but I may not tax them as much as some. I put quite a few cars behind them but I rarely run one over 10 minutes solid. I have melted the wheel contacts off of an AM Baldwin unit though. One of the things I do with a new Flyonel engine I am planning on running myself on my layout is to break in the motor. I like to make sure that the worm drive is free and lubricated well. I have seen some of these that when they press the nylon worm on the drive shaft that the fit is such that it causes a hairline crack in the nylon worm. This is usually detectable without taking anything a part as it shows up as a pulsing when running just the engine slow. Once I am sure everything is free, not cracked and lubricated I hook up alligator clips and run the motor at a very slow speed with the wheels only in the air I do this both forward and backward for about 30 minutes. This seats the motor in with no load and reduced amperage pull. It would actually be better to do this with the motor disengaged from the drive train, but I don't go to the trouble. The high performance electric R/C car racers and the electric R/C plane jockeys actually will drive their motors with a pair of batteries D cell (3.v) with the motor suspended in a glass of water. This flushes out the residue as the brushes seat and keeps the temperature low as well as preventing pitting of brushes and commutators due to arcing. They actually run the motor until the D cells are dead. This can increase the performance of a cheap can motor by as much as 30%. ----Greater efficiency means less heat..... They then dry the unit and re-lubricate the bearings

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23255	From: AF336	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Link to Electric Motor Guidelines

http://www.mtm-int.com/products/knowhow_e_m_g.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23256	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Roy asked ...

Chuck F. said about a thousand words that started with: >OK Roy, you asked... >>Is the Flyonel bashing because (a) Lionel took over Flyer? >Personally, no. It's because Flyonel . . . yadda, yadda, yadda. ________________________________________________________ OK Chuck, I'm asking too. How do you feel about Sony and Panasonic? What about Dell and Gateway? Do you have any passionate remarks to offer about the state of affairs at: Ford, Honda, Frigidaire, General Mills, Zenith, Matsushita, Hewlett-Packard, Omni-Point, Western Electric? No, I didn't think so. But of course, the fact that your childhood enemy, whom you have borne animas against for 50 years, now owns the dies and the rights to produce your beloved American Flyer trains, is NOT a factor, repeat, NOT A FACTOR in your unabashed Flyonel bashing. Dude, get over it. They're toy trains. If you don't like 'em, don't buy 'em. There are choices out there for you. Lighten up. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23257	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: bending track up/down

Hi Tom, I agree with you in principle about the challenge of making a gentle, smooth pike with only stock pieces. Bending is something I'm considering for the reason you listed and for those certain odd situations. Haven't done it yet. I go back 'n forth on the concept of bending for wider radii curves. I issue you a friendly challenge to make a broad radius (> 20") gracefully sweeping horseshoe curve with stock Flyer track. There are just some things that can't be done with stock issue. I noticed that the guys in the Baltimore Area Flyer Club have bent the rails to ease their grade transitions on a part of their modular layout. Don't know how they did it. Next time I see it, I'll ask and post their procedure. You might also try using a piece of wood or cardboard about 1/2 the height of the #1 trestle to ease the transition into the #1 trestle on the section of track preceding the #1 trestle. Doesn't address the problem on the way over the top of the #12 trestle, tho'. Regards, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: jarcho@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] bending track up/down I am not particularly interested in bending Flyer track to new radii. Have always been fascinated by the challenge of using only straights, curves, and cut sections to make any conrfiguration needed. And what do I do to alter the rubber roadbed??? Where I WOULD like to start bending track is at the beginning and end of trestles or elevated segments. I am dissatisfied with having a grade start or end abruptly at a track joint. My locomotives don't like it much either. Has anyone ever done this, and how? Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23258	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

Hi, That Baldy is a little stinker, isn't it. Are the T&Ps and better? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: srgriggs <sgriggs@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: I don't think the Flyonel diesels suffer from axle bushing wear to the extent that Gilbert diesels do. And Lionel has yet to build a stinker like the original Gilbert Baldwin as far as operational performance. Apart from being a little on the noisy side, I'm very pleased with the performance of my MoPac LTI diesels. > Chuck, there is much I do not like about the operation of Flyonel (they could > stand having fly wheels among other things) , but I have found them to be > very dependable and to pull long trains for extended stretches of time with > no problems. The only true "dogs" that I know of are the Erie PAs. In fact, I > have had more problems with one sample of a diesel from your favorite brand > (to go unmentioned <grin> but now resolved) than with all of my Flyonel > combined. A good Flyer buddy here in Midland has run Flyonel engines for > extended periods with no failures either. > > Again, much could be done to improve the Lionel Flyer line, but pulling power > and chronic field failures are not among them. > > RB > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23259	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Can't we all move on?

Doomslayers???? As in Buffy the Doomslayer? Duh! No woodier you like Lionel?? Woody prefers his name capitalized. Like a good corporation. Doh! Bending Flyer track seems rather labor intensive. Nobody howled about it. But why bend when you can buy? Throw the old rusty crap out if you want. No one cares. It's not collectible. It's track. And we're still arguing about the death of AC Gilbert. Not much changes over the course of the years. All--ALL these topics were the focus of this group last year and the year before that. By the same guys. And the spelling has gotten no better. Funnier, though. Has anybody got anything new to say? Is it possible that people on the S-Trains list can mention new Lionel offerings WITHOUT hearing once again the wounded moans of the afflicted? This is like the bleating of the goats about E-Bay. If you don't like the topic, here's a fresh idea, don't write about it. Everybody else can say what they want and you can talk about what interests you. Simple Netiquette rule, been around since ARPANET and the Bulletin Boards (punk rockers with pushpins in their faces). NO FLAMING. Pass the post by if you don't like the subject matter. The only responsibilities of the poster are to remain on-topic and clean. E-Bay is on topic. Flyonel is on topic. That's all. I feel better now. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23260	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: new Baldwin

And Guys, this story is proved as a flawed AF concept, when one reflects on the wonders of SHS, American Models, BTS specials, and PRS cars, etc, etc. Make a great product at a fair price and our "S" guys will support it,----- make less for more money and you've got a bomb. The brand American Flyer means absolutely nothing it is put on junk !!! Cheers HSJ-NASG On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:11:53 -0800 "Rick Evans" <comic@...> writes: > ***(((However, I submit that attitude may be partly (and I mean that > just as it > sounds: PARTLY) the reason that Lionel has not produced more and > more > variety in the Flyer line. "You guys" won't buy it.)))**** > > > That's the big circle,........they put out an over priced > reissue AF boxcar (etc.), same ol' road name....we don't buy it,... > so they figure no use wasting time and money putting out more > Flyonel!! > The offerings seem to be getting better these last two years > though! > > > Rick. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23261	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Can't we all move on?

You're feeling good is what we all live for. :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Zizzo To: slist Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Can't we all move on? Doomslayers???? As in Buffy the Doomslayer? Duh! No woodier you like Lionel?? Woody prefers his name capitalized. Like a good corporation. Doh! Bending Flyer track seems rather labor intensive. Nobody howled about it. But why bend when you can buy? Throw the old rusty crap out if you want. No one cares. It's not collectible. It's track. And we're still arguing about the death of AC Gilbert. Not much changes over the course of the years. All--ALL these topics were the focus of this group last year and the year before that. By the same guys. And the spelling has gotten no better. Funnier, though. Has anybody got anything new to say? Is it possible that people on the S-Trains list can mention new Lionel offerings WITHOUT hearing once again the wounded moans of the afflicted? This is like the bleating of the goats about E-Bay. If you don't like the topic, here's a fresh idea, don't write about it. Everybody else can say what they want and you can talk about what interests you. Simple Netiquette rule, been around since ARPANET and the Bulletin Boards (punk rockers with pushpins in their faces). NO FLAMING. Pass the post by if you don't like the subject matter. The only responsibilities of the poster are to remain on-topic and clean. E-Bay is on topic. Flyonel is on topic. That's all. I feel better now. Chris Zizzo S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23262	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: bending track up/down

Hi Tim (and Tom and everybody else also): Yes, I know what Tom means by going gracefully into a grade - not so much a problem when starting to go up, but coming down is the difficult thing. On my last "temporary" pike, I had problems with the AM GG-1's front truck which would actually leave the rails on a fairly gentle grade (~1 1/2%) and sometimes derail when it started to descend from the upper level. Any suggestions on starting the descent gracefully without using 4-5 feet of track to "ease" into the descent will be gratefully accepted as I am preparing to begin building the next more substantial pike which will have an upper and a lower level with connecting grades. Thinking about it, I guess one needs easements for grades at the beginning and end, just like easements for curves (although these latter help, they are not as critical as the up and down for smooth operation). Regards, Rance Velapoldi Tim Brown wrote: >Hi Tom, > >I agree with you in principle........ > >....... You might also try using a piece of wood or cardboard about 1/2 the height of the #1 trestle to ease the transition into the #1 trestle on the section of track preceding the #1 trestle. Doesn't address the problem on the way over the top of the #12 trestle, tho'. > >Regards, >Tim Brown > >----- Original Message ----- > From: jarcho@... > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:06 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] bending track up/down > > Where I WOULD like to start bending track is at the beginning and end of > trestles or elevated segments. I am dissatisfied with having a grade start > or end abruptly at a track joint. My locomotives don't like it much > either. > > Has anyone ever done this, and how? > > Tom Jarcho > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23263	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Look at whats coming.........????

Face it guys and gals....We now have SHS, AM, Lionel FLYER, Strong hints from Kline and MTH...They know if they, the latter, put out junk.....It won't sell....So Wonder what they are going to do??? What are your thoughts? Bob ConnEr

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23264	From: mal_af	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: FLYONEL PURCHASE'S

I haven't tried the use of this group for a long time. Two topics of interest, Rebinding old flyer track and Baldwin switcher purchase. I think that rebinding old Flyer track is a keen idea and I know that there some out there that can't afford to buy new or different types of track. curved flyer track is cheap and plentifull. Some people can't even get rid if it on eBay. Bend on is what I say to those that have the time and desire! Next I feel that people have rights to reject the purchase of anything new that Lionel might build. As for me I own some Lionel Flyer stuff and purchased it because I liked it. I don't run it much at all and it might be junk to some , but not to me. I would purchase a new switcher if Lionel were to produce it and steam engine too. I feel that too many people put too much worry into Lionel and not enough Thank You's. Lionel could be run differently, But it is run the way Lionel wants to run it. I appreciate what ever they produce but I don't purchase everything. We can always ask for what we want from Lionel in numbers as a group. Or we can bellyache about what we don't have or what Lionel should build. There is strength in numbers, this S-group has strength. M.A.LAMBERT T.C.A. 94-3390

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23265	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????

Don't forget to mention Des Plaines Hobbies in the same breath. They make nice R-T-R Tank Cars and 3-bay Hoppers in AF compatible. They're at: http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/ It's not a commercial, I just thought they should be included in a list that's getting larger. Roy Hoffman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > Face it guys and gals....We now have SHS, AM, Lionel FLYER, Strong hints > from Kline and MTH...They know if they, the latter, put out junk.....It > won't sell....So Wonder what they are going to do??? What are your thoughts? > Bob ConnEr

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23266	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] bending track up/down

Hi Arden: Yes, I had that (about 8' of level track at top). Then, when the descent began, about 1/2 of the GG-1 would go "out beyond" the beginning of the descent point on about a 1 1/2 - 2% grade, actually lifting the front trucks off the track (not much downward play in the front trucks, which may be one of the problems) and sometimes resulting in a derailment. Other than starting with a 0.1% grade for at least one engine length, to 0.2% for the second engine length, etc. etc., which will eat up a lot of track length that I don't have, how can one start a longish engine like the AM GG-1 going gracefully down the grade?? It is really problematic, and I hope someone has an answer that allows me to have a 2 - 3% grade down, while the grade up will be 1-1/2%. Of course I will only be able to run in one direction, but that is better than nothing. Other than that, I will leave the GG-1 on the lower level. I did note some rubbing of the GG-1 wheels on the body of the engine, so I have to look carefully at the engine a bit to see if there is basically something "wrong" with the connection of the front trucks to the body, or if there is not enough up and down play in the trucks. I didn't appear to have that problem with the AM pacific, or some of the other engines that I tried. Thanks for other suggestions in advance. Rance Velapoldi Arden Goehring wrote: >At least you should have level track at the top as long as your longest >engine. The more gradual you make things, the better they will run. > >Arden > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23267	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????

sorry about that..I am sure I missed other "s" makers too...bob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23268	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer

Dear Carl, Is this the same as the 1988 NASG AF convention car? Don Carl Tuveson wrote: >Yes it is another first for Lionel. > >-----Original Message----- >From: jackotrains <joppdp@...> [mailto:joppdp@...] >Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:29 AM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] New American Flyer PFE Reefer > > >All you Lionel American Flyer Doom Slayers, have you noticed that >the new Pacific Fruit Express Reefer has door rails and doors that >open with a latch. > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23269	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer

Dear Carl, Is this the same as the 1988 NASG AF convention car? Don Carl Tuveson wrote: >Yes it is another first for Lionel. > >-----Original Message----- >From: jackotrains <joppdp@...> [mailto:joppdp@...] >Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:29 AM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] New American Flyer PFE Reefer > > >All you Lionel American Flyer Doom Slayers, have you noticed that >the new Pacific Fruit Express Reefer has door rails and doors that >open with a latch. > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23270	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????

Hi Bob, I wasn't complaining a bit. Your message was very positive and I just wanted to add to it. There's lots of S manufacturers, but your list concentrated on folks making AF compatible trains and you included almost all of them. There's also some folks putting out special runs of SHS and Lionel like John Huster, Doug Peck, R.S.S.V.P and the NASG, too, so there realy is a lot going for us and the promise of more coming. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > sorry about that..I am sure I missed other "s" makers too...bob > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23271	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Track Vote

It would be nice if Lionel would consider making AF steel track along with switches and other track accessories that other gauges enjoy, such as 45 or 60 degree crossings for one. That might just be too much? I enjoy overhauling AF switches. The bakelite bases are easy to clean and perform like cast iron---if you don't drop them or beat them with a hammer, they stay durable. Because ACG only made one type/style switch, it probably suggests a big tooling expense?--and probably still would for anyone else--like Lionel. There is still hope for us with AF Track? It would even be nice if someone could market some kind of socket insert for Flyer switch machines and other screw bulb sockets allowing for a cooler, perhaps brighter (mini?) bulb to be used, thus sparing the hated distruction made obvious by the original size bulbs. Maybe the bulbs would last longer as well? John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23272	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer

In a message dated 1/22/03 7:44:14 PM, robin@... writes: << Dear Carl, Is this the same as the 1988 NASG AF convention car? Don >> My name isn't Carl :-), but..... The NASG insulated box car for 1988 was CNJ, #48470. This car has a latch on its door, as well. The new car is the same physically, but is PFE/UP/SP. There is also a UP reefer #48801 from 1988, but its doors are non-opening. Hope this helps. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23273	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????

To sum it all up....I think we are really going to see "S" GROW..............Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <rhoffman@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Look at whats coming.........???? > Hi Bob, > > I wasn't complaining a bit. Your message was very positive and I just > wanted to add to it. There's lots of S manufacturers, but your list > concentrated on folks making AF compatible trains and you included > almost all of them. > > There's also some folks putting out special runs of SHS and Lionel > like John Huster, Doug Peck, R.S.S.V.P and the NASG, too, so there > realy is a lot going for us and the promise of more coming. > > Roy > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> > wrote: > > sorry about that..I am sure I missed other "s" makers too...bob > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23274	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Flyonel problems

Have a question for those who have (a) purchased Flyonel and (b) who have had problems with the equipment. In trying to resolve the difficulties, how have you handled it? Did you call, fax, email or write Lionel asking for corrections/replacement? Or, did you just disassemble the unit on the kitchen table (thereby voiding the warranty), then whine to the rest of us on the list about how bad this "Lionel junk" is? The one problem I had with a LAF was the paint on my Silver Flash A unit. I contacted Lionel while it was still under warranty. They sent me another unit. Wasn't quite satisfied with it either. So they sent me still another, and it was perfect. I considered that pretty good customer service. Sure, it should have been perfect right out of the box, but the outcome was the same. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23275	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Track Vote

John, I think that SHelperService may have what you want/need. Check pages below. Paul Schilling <A HREF="http://www.showcaseline.com/"> Click here: American Flyer Compatible S gauge model trains from the Showcase Line</A> <A HREF="http://www.showcaseline.com/">Click here: American Flyer Compatible S gauge model trains from the Showcase Line</A> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23276	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: PFE Reefer

RB: Do you mean the CNJ actually had insulated boxcars? I was not aware that NJ was an agricultural state, except for truck farming, poultry, etc. What valuable cash crop were these cars built for, mush melons? As to the PFE car, Microscale has had very nice decals for this car in S for years. I've got one already. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23277	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: New Flyonel pix--Where online???

Hey guys, I know I posted you an URL with the pics, but I have yet to be able to view them. The other site has only the loco, and the crane car pages. Where else are these on the web? Thanks! S' David D. Hundreds of miles from any L dealer!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23278	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Union Pacific Caboose

Greetings to all! With the transformers working, better then my memory and before I forget ... thanks for the help, we are back to cars to pull. Did/does anyone produce a Union Pacific caboose and if so, where might one be found? Thought it might look nice behind the 372. Thanks and best wishes! Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23279	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer

Dear Tom, If you were to check the reporting marks on the NASG car, they are from North American, the company that leased the car to the CRRofNJ for service moving Ballantine Beer from the brewery in Newark, NJ Don jarcho@... wrote: >RB: Do you mean the CNJ actually had insulated boxcars? I was not aware >that NJ was an agricultural state, except for truck farming, poultry, etc. >What valuable cash crop were these cars built for, mush melons? > >As to the PFE car, Microscale has had very nice decals for this car in S >for years. I've got one already. > >Tom Jarcho > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23280	From: waldootten	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Union Pacific Caboose

> Did/does anyone produce a Union Pacific caboose and if so, where might one be found? Thought it might look nice behind the 372. < Charlie, try this link: http://www.hobbysurplus.com/images/store/chd24528.jpg Hobby Surplus makes six "new" old cabooses. I liked them so much, I bought a "six-pack." Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23281	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Can't we all move on?

Well said. I don't like asparagus but I'm sure not going to spend any hours of my life writing and wringing my hands about it. I like the "positive" posts here much better than the negative redundant ones. IMHO....Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23282	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer

Dear Tom, You may not be aware of our third PFE wooden reefer. This version has a modernized steel roof with opening ice hatches, 50 ton underframe, AB brake system an a Ajax brake wheel & housing. All for only $42.95 http://www.showcaseline.com/images/01001.jpg Don jarcho@... wrote: >RB: Do you mean the CNJ actually had insulated boxcars? I was not aware >that NJ was an agricultural state, except for truck farming, poultry, etc. >What valuable cash crop were these cars built for, mush melons? > >As to the PFE car, Microscale has had very nice decals for this car in S >for years. I've got one already. > >Tom Jarcho > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23283	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: up-n-down bending, or, vertical curves

In real life highway and railroad curves are transitioned from a tangent section to a curve using a spiral, that is, a curve that starts out at the end of the straight away with hardly any radius at all that gradually becomes closer and closer to the desired curve of constant radius. This helps avoid a jolt to vehicles and passengers, and as some have found out, a derailment when beginning a change of grade, because the spiral is used in vertical curves as well. The physics of trying to have a gradual change from horizontal trackage to a grade can't, as far as I know, be short-cut. In order to avoid the derailment ( as some have had with the AM GG-1 ) the transition must necessarily be gentle and gradual, and unfortunately it eats up a lot of space. I ran into the same situation with a set of blue and yellow SF ALCO locomotives, ended up doing two things to correct the problem. One was to give the truck more up and down swivel ( by removing some of the washers about the swivel pin) and the other was to make the transition more gradual. I accomplished this in the following manner: My layout was 7/16" OSB supported at 16" spacing. I had a grade separation from upper to lower level of 6". Where I desired to have an up or down-hill grade, I used a long, slender section of the OSB very securely attached at the end of the horizontal track, sort of in a cantilever arrangement. I then weighted the free end of the strip until it was three inches lower and temporarily clamped it into place. I went back and measured from the base of the layout framework to the underside of the strip of OSB that was to be the roadbed for the downgrade and cut the supports to match. I know this is sort of difficult to mentally image so picture how a diving board looks. Firmly anchored at one end ( this is the end where the down grade starts ) and sticking out a fair length unsupported. ( eventually you'll have supports there ) Picture now the curve it assumes as a "large" guy stands at the very end over the pool. The curve startis out gradual, increases, and then decreases into a pretty straight ~ albeit downward slanting ~ section near where the diver stands. I weighted my strip until it was half way between the upper and the lower heights, made my measurements, and cut the permanent supports to affix the strip in same curve as it was when weighted. The horizontal distance was duplicated for the rest of the down grade and the measurements for the supports were made the same way, only this time the lower end being fastened tight, the free end was pried up until it met the free end of the first half. The permanent supports cuts and attached and finally the two strips were joined in the middle. Sounds a lot more complicated than it is, and makes a nice gradual transition from upper level to lower. But even this change of 6" between the two levels over a span of about 8' made for a pretty steep grade....not bad going downhill, but it required either short trains or locomotives having PulMor tires coming up- grade. Regard'S' Smitty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23284	From: eric.reis	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Flyer track for Sale

OK all you track benders, track users, track watchers....whatever. I have about 200 pieces of flyer track, thats 140 curved, 20 straight and 50 smaller pieces, mostly straight half pieces. They are all pretty clean and very little rust. The first offer of $75 plus $25 to ship this 24 pound box can have it. Otherwise tomorrow afternoon it goes on ebay with the last of my switches. My last batch of rubber roadbed sold on ebay in about 2 hours last night. Buy it now didn't even let the snipers in. I like snipers bidding up my stuff at the last minute, or maybe getting me out of something I maybe shouldn't really have bid on. In case you were interested, in 4 large batches of rubber roadbed the selling price was $4 per roadbed with track. It's paid for the changeover to SHS trax. Remember Toy trains and Model Railroading are for FUN... Eric Reis Greater Seattle S Gaugers Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23285	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

RB wrote: >Chuck, there is much I do not like about the operation of Flyonel , >but I have found them to be very dependable and to pull long trains >for extended stretches of time with no problems. As I mentioned, the Flyonel locos I had (still have one) were pre- 1990 single-motored Geeps. An improved motor was introduced in the 1990 line. I installed the newer motor in my sick SF Geep. Its endurance has improved significantly, though still nowhere near any SHS or AM diesel. As somebody else mentioned, they have also avoided the overheating problems I experienced, but only by resorting to short run times. I took the same precautions with the Souther Geep I eventually sold. The SF was inadvertently allowed to run for about 45 minutes (I was involved in a conversation with a show guest) which fried the motor. 45 minutes of continuous run time is no problem for SHS or AM locos. I've run mine for eight hours at a time pulling maximum loads. In that time they get lukewarm to the touch. OTOH, I have talked with others in TTOS who have run the pre 1990 Flyonel diesels without damage. They have admitted limiting runs to 10 minutes "or so," and have noticed "hot enamel" odors coming from the engines right after stopping them. VERY bad signs. >The only true "dogs" that I know of are the Erie PAs. Yes, they are single-motored and pre 1990. Many people demanded that they pull dummy engines in their consists, which was a recipe for disaster. >In fact, I have had more problems with one sample of a diesel from >your favorite brand (to go unmentioned <grin> but now resolved) than >with all of my Flyonel I have taken delivery of nine AM diesels, and a few of them needed "tweaking". (I can always find something to tweak, anyway.) Two others underwent significant work, one due to freight damage, the other because of me being in my fussy "scale mode." Even when there is a quality control issue with AM (never had any probs with SHS) the repairs were doable by myself (no return shipping hassles) and were not design problems. Flyonel locos STILL have significant design shortcomings imo, and they involve much more than flywheels. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23286	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: lionel-flyer GP7-9

"Bradley wrote: >I recently purchased a new Rock Island Lionel-Flyer GP7-9. Half of >the lower front steps are cut away to allow the front truck to >swivel properly. Lionel changed the tooling for the GP7 chassis. It appears that when they tried to install the can-motored truck, the loco shell wouldn't fit over the chassis. The can motor would strike the inside corners of the cab. They "fixed" the problem by moving the power truck foreward about 1/4 inch, which caused another problem with the chassis steps. So the bottom steps were partially cut away. Like I say, a kluge job. >The front truck still binds on the steps on standard AF curves. Both my LAF Geeps had this problem. I fixed it on the Southern engine by making an insertable "bumper' that fits between the gearbox and the frame opening. It prevents the truck moving foreward enough to scape the sideframes on the steps. The bumper is removable, just in case the loco's current owner has any nostalgic feelings for truck binding. :^) The SF Geep underwent more radical surgery. Noticing that the truck is offset (f to r), I reversed the truck, modifying the side frames and shuffling the wheels as needed. Coincidentally, the amount that Lionel moved the truck pivot is the same as the truck offset. So the truck is now sitting in the proper Gilbert-ordained position under the chassis, and no internal bumper is needed. >The engine speed is somewhat erratic also, even after oiling. I've been advised that it's best to assemble these motor trucks without putting a lot of torque on the screws that retain the gearbox cover. They should be snugged, but gently, maybe even a teensy bit loose. >It has a really nice paint job Yes, over several decades Lionel has not managed to be COMPLETELY without improvement. >Any comments or advice will be much appreciated. Hope the tips above are of use to you. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23287	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????

Bob Conner sez: >To sum it all up....I think we are really going to see "S" GROW. Isn't that where David Dewey's house is, in s grow? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23288	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/22/2003
Subject: Re: Roy asked...

CZ wrote: >OK Chuck, I'm asking too. How do you feel about Sony and Panasonic? Worked on many of their products during the 1970s. They made a few "turkeys", but mostly good products. (I worked on high-end audio gear, not the ultra cheap stuff.) >What about Dell and Gateway? No experience with either of them. >Do you have any passionate remarks to offer about the state of >affairs at: Ford, Honda, etc. I LOVE Honda! Best car I've ever owned. And I used to be a Chevy guy. >No, I didn't think so. This is S trains, so I didn't address any of those companies. We must stay on topic, you know. :^D >But of course, the fact that your childhood enemy, whom you have >borne animas against for 50 years, now owns the dies and the rights >to produce your beloved American Flyer trains, is NOT a factor, >repeat, NOT A FACTOR in your unabashed Flyonel bashing. Chris, your attempt at psychoanalysis is not only presumptuous, it's just plain wrong. Let me try to alleviate the informational vacuum you've obviously been laboring within: During my childhood, I was completely unaware of any AF/Lionel rivalry. We lived in a rural area most of the time, all my friends with trains had Lionel, and I enjoyed their trains as well as mine. I had no "brand loyalty" vis-a-vis AF or Lionel. (Chevy vs. Ford, now THERE is an issue!) When I got into this hobby in 1985, I was unaware of the history of Gilbert and Lionel. When I found out that AF was being "revived" (so it was put) I thought, "Goody!" And I bought some AF by Lionel. Over a couple years, I spent a few hundred $ on AF by L. After a few more years, I did notice that the Flyonel line was getting repetitive, but still for a long time I had no feelings about Lionel as a company until... Until I began asking questions. Until I began reading interviews with AF execs, writing friendly letters to same and getting friendly but dismissive replies. Until I began to look at what other companies were doing with their S gauge lines. Until I bought some of those products and experienced their superiority first-hand. IOW, until I began to THINK, to look beneath the surface to find out what was going on. What was going on? I've already stated that in other posts. Basically, I realized that either Lionel is hopelessly, irredeemably clueless about S, or we are being played for fools, probably both. Nothing that has happened at or through Lionel in the last decade has contadicted my conclusion. In fact, events have reinforced it, though Lionel has been working harder at mediocrity than I had anticipated. Still, it's not the product, really. It's the ruse. It's the game, dance, "marketing philosophy," whatever you want to call it. THAT is what I don't like. >They're toy trains. Well, DUH! >If you don't like 'em, don't buy 'em. Thank you. I already practice that option, but it's nice to have your imprature. >There are choices out there I know. I want others to know, as well. >Dude, get over it. Dude, I am SO over Lionel. >Lighten up. "Lighten up"? Man, that is SO 1996. But one thing I try to avoid on this list is telling others what to do, what to post, how to live, "yada-yada." I've found that it helps to avoid the use of certain fashionable imperatives like "lighten up, get over it, knock it off..." Perhaps I'm not the one needing to lighten up, hmm? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23289	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????

Chris, Oww, Oww, Oww. That'SSS bad!! Yep, it's still there too, am beyond holding breath! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23290	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer

Yes is appears to be the same as the NASG reefer, the only other example of this body Lionel ever produced. They never had a cataloged version to my knowledge. Carl -----Original Message----- From: RBubeck327@... [mailto:RBubeck327@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:57 PM To: robin@...; carl@... Cc: joppdp@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer In a message dated 1/22/03 7:44:14 PM, robin@... writes: << Dear Carl, Is this the same as the 1988 NASG AF convention car? Don >> My name isn't Carl :-), but..... The NASG insulated box car for 1988 was CNJ, #48470. This car has a latch on its door, as well. The new car is the same physically, but is PFE/UP/SP. There is also a UP reefer #48801 from 1988, but its doors are non-opening. Hope this helps. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23291	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer

Dear Carl, When I headed up the committee for the NASG 1988 AF convention car, I requested this odd combination to Mike Braga of Lionel. This configuration is closer to the North American prototype car sliding plugdoor. The door was tooled for our project. I did not request the latch, that was a surprise and not really correct as plug doors locking mechanism is very different. Don Carl Tuveson wrote: >Yes, it appears to be the same body style. Why they never made a catloged >version with the opening door is strange if they had the molds. > >Carl > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23292	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: New Flyer Catalogued

New Lionel Catalog, courtesy of "The Train Station" in NJ: http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/shop.pl/page=O_Gauge_Catalog.html/SID =PUT_SID_HERE Flyer is on pages 90-95. Chuck F., skip to the next post. :-} Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23293	From: Chris Simmonds	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Jute carpet pad????

Gerald Dobbs, You wrote "I use A.F track set on jute carpet pad. I add wood ties and ballast (cat litter)." What is jute carpet pad and what does it look like? How do you use it? Is there any way you could send me a picture of the end result? Thanks so much Chris Simmonds ( americanflyer302@... ) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23294	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer

Here is a link to a scan of the catalog page that shows the new reefer. Carl http://www.train-station.com/cgi-local/shop.pl/page=6-20031-0093.html/SID=17 5116900 -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson [mailto:robin@...] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:15 AM To: Carl Tuveson; S Train e-group Subject: Re: New American Flyer PFE Reefer Dear Carl, When I headed up the committee for the NASG 1988 AF convention car, I requested this odd combination to Mike Braga of Lionel. This configuration is closer to the North American prototype car sliding plugdoor. The door was tooled for our project. I did not request the latch, that was a surprise and not really correct as plug doors locking mechanism is very different. Don Carl Tuveson wrote: >Yes, it appears to be the same body style. Why they never made a >catloged version with the opening door is strange if they had the >molds. > >Carl > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23295	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Lionel +

With all this hype and excitement about LTI's American Flyer offerings, I still have a sour taste in my mouth about the SD40 they offered a few years ago and cancelled due to insufficient orders. I think that was there excuse anyway. I must admit they have been doing better in coming through with what they been offering in recent catalogs pertaining to AF. I do own several of there engines and the new Gabe & Checker Board water tower. So far everything still runs and works fine. I still run all my steam engines on AF track more than anything else. There nothing like the smell of cedar scented smoke. I am sure there is a lot of you guys can agee to that fact. But enough of this about LIT and rail bending. I sent a message several posts ago asking about info Dan Olson's MT ST Helens Hopper Car. The one I have is in the original box stamped on the end with St Helens and on the inside flaps with Dan Olson information. This one doesn't have the bottle of ash, but instead has a load insert with the ash glued on it. It is shown in the Greenbergs Book about variations with no load just the open hopper and a bottle of ash. Anyone have any thoughts on it's value today ? Thanks AL ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23296	From: Chris Simmonds	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: AF manual switch conversion

Has anyone ever converted a manual American Flyer switch to work automatic? If so how and what materials did you use? What kind of costs etc.. Chris Simmonds ToyTriansForKids http://www.efn.org/~chris_s __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23297	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer

NJ is the world's largest producer of egg plant! I was not aware that NJ was an agricultural state, except for truck farming, poultry, etc. What valuable cash crop were these cars built for, mush melons?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23298	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: About Buying Lionel/American Flyer

My opinions about the American Flyer products by Lionel: Buy only what interests you. Don't buy it just to support S gauge. If they don't make what people are looking for, then they will either improve the line or quit making it. Of course not everybody is going to want the same thing. Nobody should feel like they have to buy everything, unless they want to. If they say that people better buy it, or they will quit making it, as has been implied in the past, my reply is "Don't let the door hit you on the way out!" While the products have been modified, still everything is based on stuff Gilbert made 40 to 50 years ago, or Lionel modified to S gauge. There is nothing wrong with that really. But I think that they are catering more to collectors, not operators. You don't have to own lots of trains to be satisfied. Maybe buying the trains is as much fun, or even more fun, than owning them. Is there anybody on this list who has all the trains they want, and does not plan to buy any more? As to that new steam locomotive, since it was mentioned that it will be diecast, it could be interesting. If it's an old AF diecast, that means it could be the Northern, Hudson, PRR Pacific, Royal Blue Pacific, New Haven Pacific, 0-8-0 or Atlantic. Out of those, I would say that the Hudson is most likely since it's the last diecast steam loco AF made. God help us if they decide to put an S gauge mechanism under an O gauge shell. If they make something entirely new, that could be exciting. Hopefully it will not be another Pacific though. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23299	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

In a message dated 1/22/2003 11:40:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, jayhoo64@... writes: > >Chuck, there is much I do not like about the operation of Flyonel , > >but I have found them to be very dependable and to pull long trains > >for extended stretches of time with no problems. > > As I mentioned, the Flyonel locos I had (still have one) were pre- > 1990 single-motored Geeps. An improved motor was introduced in the > 1990 line. I installed the newer motor in my sick SF Geep. Its > endurance has improved significantly, though still nowhere near any > SHS or AM diesel. As somebody else mentioned, they have also avoided > the overheating problems I experienced, but only by resorting to > short run times. I took the same precautions with the Southern Geep I > eventually sold. The SF was inadvertently allowed to run for about 45 > minutes (I was involved in a conversation with a show guest) which > fried the motor. 45 minutes of continuous run time is no problem for > SHS or AM locos. >> Let's just say that my experiences with the pulling power and nominal dependability of non-MPC Flyonel engines are different from yours and let it go at that. I agree that the new SHS locos are very good, although it took a year (and working on the engines five times) to resolve all the issues associated with my first generation F-3s. Every manufacturer, no matter how conscientious, is going to have some problems. > > >The only true "dogs" that I know of are the Erie PAs. > > Yes, they are single-motored and pre 1990. Many people demanded that > they pull dummy engines in their consists, which was a recipe for > disaster. Agreed. They have TWO motors, BTW, as pitiful as the drives are. > > >In fact, I have had more problems with one sample of a diesel from > >your favorite brand (to go unmentioned <grin> but now resolved) than > >with all of my Flyonel > I have taken delivery of nine AM diesels, and a few of them > needed "tweaking". (I can always find something to tweak, anyway.) > Two others underwent significant work, one due to freight damage, the > other because of me being in my fussy "scale mode." Even when there > is a quality control issue with AM (never had any probs with SHS) the > repairs were doable by myself (no return shipping hassles) and were > not design problems. Flyonel locos STILL have significant design > shortcomings imo, and they involve much more than flywheels. > > > Chuck F. > I agree with you about the quality SHS trains. When I have had to fix LTI-built or LLC-built Flyonel (or 0 gauge for that matter), I've able to effect repairs on my own bench, as well. The folks in Chesterfield are very responsive. I more or less stated up front that Flyonel has been flawed in various ways over the years, particularly during the MPC era (Remember, we are talking about 3 iterations of a company named "Lionel"). The LTI and LLC production certainly has its flaws, too, but the point of my post is that I haven't had any big issues with its raw pulling power or with chronic field failures. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23300	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel +

In a message dated 1/23/2003 9:29:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, aleisen@... writes: > I still have a sour taste in my mouth about the SD40 they offered a few > years ago and cancelled due to insufficient orders. Agreed. The establishment is under new management, however. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23301	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel +

my st helens has the ash load too...bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan V Eisenhaur" <aleisen@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel + > > With all this hype and excitement about LTI's American Flyer offerings, I > still have a sour taste in my mouth about the SD40 they offered a few > years ago and cancelled due to insufficient orders. I think that was > there excuse anyway. I must admit they have been doing better in coming > through with what they been offering in recent catalogs pertaining to > AF. I do own several of there engines and the new Gabe & Checker Board > water tower. So far everything still runs and works fine. I still run all > my steam engines on AF track more than anything else. There nothing like > the smell of cedar scented smoke. I am sure there is a lot of you guys > can agee to that fact. > > But enough of this about LIT and rail bending. I sent a message several > posts ago asking about info Dan Olson's MT ST Helens Hopper Car. The one > I have is in the original box stamped on the end with St Helens and > on the inside flaps with Dan Olson information. This one doesn't have the > bottle of ash, but instead has a load insert with the ash glued on it. It > is shown in the Greenbergs Book about variations with no load just the > open hopper and a bottle of ash. Anyone have any thoughts on it's value > today ? > > Thanks AL > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23302	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????

Chris.....yeh...and you catch a TAME rabbit?....Tame way....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:09 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Look at whats coming.........???? > Bob Conner sez: > >To sum it all up....I think we are really going to see "S" GROW. > > Isn't that where David Dewey's house is, in s grow? > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23303	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Flyonel quality

Chuck Smith wrote: I purchased a NP passenger set with railsounds in an extra B unit. It took weeks of trial and error adjusting to debug the metal couplers which shorted and reversed the unit when traveling over AF switches at high speed. Also a couple of wheel sets were narrow gauged. Finally got them adjusted, later learned the coupler problem was because the couplers were made of metal. I didn't screw with Lionel service and the unit now runs beautifully. Always did look great. However, my friend's AM PA set runs even smoother with better sound. Chuck, et al, I congratulate you on being able to successfully resolve the issue yourself. I have neither the expertise nor the patience to deal with much of what you are describing. But your comment about "Not screwing with Lionel service" leaves me perplexed: Do you mean that Lionel service was/is incompetent? Or did you mean it would take too long? I do note that you said it "took weeks of trial and error..." doing it yourself. Maybe the Lionel repair shop would have recognized the problem right off, maybe not. Since I have had only the one cosmetic problem, (with the Silver Flash) and that was resolved within two weeks, I don't know how long it might take them to fix the stuff that was wrong with yours. (It does seem odd to me that Lionel couldn't make a coupler that would work with original AF switches...?) But I do know that Dick Maddox and Mike Wolf have both told me and others that when something is wrong, to let customer service know. In this way they have a better idea of how stuff is going out the door. No manager can personally inspect everything that comes from China, or wherever. I suspect Quality Control might have been easier when stuff was produced in a USA plant, and 'ol AC could just wander on down and spot check engines, etc., coming off the line. Quality Control at any company begins at the top, and if the top doesn't know, things can't change. I would sure be the first to agree that AM and SHS equipment is generally superior and more competitively priced than LAF. I guess the issue is that if you/me/anyone wants the name American Flyer on trains, Lionel is our only option for new stuff. So, I have a question for the group: Should Lionel have (a) continued the AF line as strictly the toy train concept it started out to be, and of course adding new roadnames, steam engines and the like, etc., (b) continued to update it wherein equipment would rival SHS and AM in fidelity to scale, electronics and operational perfection, and perhaps having little physical resemblance to our beloved Gilbert equipment, (c) continue on the course they have laid out, or (d) something else. Just curious...??? Respectfully submitted, Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23304	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel quality

We shouldn't worry about judgments based on nostalgia or other factors. Lionel - and all other S scale manufacturers - should continue to do what they think will make them money. The marketplace - which is nothing more than the sum total of all S scalers wants - will decide. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23305	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????

Chris...can u catch a Unique rabbit....YOU NEEK UP on it.....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Look at whats coming.........???? > Chris.....yeh...and you catch a TAME rabbit?....Tame way....Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> > To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:09 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Look at whats coming.........???? > > > > Bob Conner sez: > > >To sum it all up....I think we are really going to see "S" GROW. > > > > Isn't that where David Dewey's house is, in s grow? > > > > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23306	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Estate Sale

Hi Guys, I lost a good friend over the holidays and a member of this group, although not chatty. His name was Paul Hartman from Oviedo Florida. The family has asked me to handle the huge train portion of his estate. He didn't operate very much, his true passion was buying. Over the many months to come(it will take that long), I will be posting tons of vintage Gilbert and NIB Flyonel to the website list at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com As I start through his collection and I am finding odds and ends of S Helper Service, American Models, Downs, etc and I think rather than this stuff getting lost on my website, that I would do better posting this stuff to you guys. Most is new in the box( I will so state) and the terms will be first come-first served. Payment can be through all the means acceptable on the website. My plan is to price at a small discount to retail and include shipping in the contiguous 48, whether one piece or all. This offers the items at a discounted cost and gets the best $$ for the family. Having said all that, here is the first offering; Crown "S": $20 each SR 2001 Swift Reefer Hi Rail NIB SR 4000 WP Ice Car Hi Rail NIB Downs "S": $30 each RUSTI Bakers Tanker #31057 Hi Rail NIB RUSTI Bakers Tanker #31058 Hi Rail NIB RSSVP (2) Revere Sugar Tanker #0031 Hi Rail NIB Let me know what you think. If you don't want to see this stuff, I will go another direction. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23307	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: WANTED: B&O HEAVY WEIGHT(72") PASSENGER CARs (SET)

WANTED: American Models B&O HEAVY WEIGHT PASSENGER CAR SET preferrably hi rail but will accept scale. Thanks, Jack Riely P.S. Please contact me off line [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23308	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: AF manual switch conversion

AF manual and remote control switches mostly use the same parts which can be swapped . The way this works out in practice is, if you get a bunch of junker switches and clean them up, by swapping parts around you should get at least three good switches out of every four junkers. The only hard part is to solder and unsolder quickly and deftly so you don't melt the plastic bases. Machine screws of the right size make good terminal posts. I don't know if it would be worth it to convert one switch though. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23309	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: New Flyer Catalogued

Thanks for the link Chris!! I'm sure I will have to order the SP Flatcar with trailers!! What RR line are Moe & Joe are working for these days?? ;^) And why isn't the new catalog on the Lionel site yet? I just found 2002 and older!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23310	From: carltonlowry	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: diesel shell (s)

I am interested in acquiring 1 or 2 old shells for 370, 371, or 372 A/F chassis that I won on E-Bay recently. If someone on the list can help please contact me at crpntr12449@... . Thank you, Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23311	From: Pat O'Sullivan	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Track cleaning

I have an American Flyer train set that has been in storage for years. As one might expect the plain track sections, track switches and wheels on the locomotives need cleaning. a) Plain track sections. These are simple sections that just plug together. There are no plastic or electrical items such as solenoids, etc. There are a lot of track sections. Is there safe and effective some way to clean these in mass such as dipping them in some solvent? b) Track switches. These include plastic and electrical items. There are only a few track switches. These may likely need to be done individually by hand. Is there a method, a particular solvent, sand paper grit etc., if applicable, that could be recommended? c) Locomotive wheels. It would be nice if these could be cleaned without dis-assembly of the locomotives but maybe dis-assembly is not a big deal and in the end yields materially better results. There are only a few locomotives. Perhaps the answer to this item is similar to item "b" above. Is there a method, a particular solvent, sand paper grit etc., if applicable, that could be recommended? Thanks and best regards, Patrick O'Sullivan (760) 940-8355 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23312	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: 15B

Hi All, does anyone on the list have a spare 15B shell. Yes, the black bakelight piece. My was dropped a while back and got a huge crack in it. Has anyone ever tried to repair a crack in bakelight? I'm willing to pay for it and the shipping if anyone has one to get rid of. Thanks, Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23313	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel quality

Here's my take on Lionel service/quality. A few years ago I bought a NIB set of SP Geep's. It was several years after they would have been 1 yr. old. The power unit wobbled like a duck and I did all I could to fix it. (and I'm good). I called Lionel service and they told me to send it in on warranty even though it was several years old. They couldn't get the wobble out either. What did they do? They sent it back along with a then new NKP Geep and three pieces of rolling stock that must have been left unsold. My cost...? NADA, Zilch, nothing. How can you beat that for service? How do I feel about Lionels service? I think the above speaks for itself. I buy their AF products when I like what they make and I don't buy it if I don't. It's that simple. Steve....S-'n-S Trains.....Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23314	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Schreiner Passenger Cars

Dear Larry: As usual I am a week or two behind. I have the AM 80 foot cars. They are nice smoothsides without side ribs. For Union Pacific this makes a postwar, #1 streamliner. (Not a train with 'hand-me-down' equipment.) I looked at the Schreiner cars because my AM train needed a diner. I discovered the Schreiner cars are magnificent representatives of UP's prewar streamliners. (If you have heard of the unsolved derailment involving the City of Los Angeles this equipment was involved.) The prewar cars had two ribs, one high and one low. Separately they look great but I don't feel the two can be mixed and still get a good looking train. The Schreiners do have one big advantage. Unaltered they will go around American Flyer curves. The AMs will do 27 but they are not happy. I did get my diner. Because I asked, Laser Horizons now has a UP diner. I have an unpainted AM smoothside coach I will cut these into and then I just need to paint it. Thorin Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:50:27 -0600 From: "Larry Langford" <llangford@...> Subject: Schreiner Passenger Cars I have not noticed any mention of the Schreiner passenger cars available from Scenery Unlimited in 65' and 80' versions. Has anyone detailed/built any of these cars? Opinion. Any known prototype? Larry Langford 518 Parker Street Gibson, TN 38338-0099 llangford@... 731-787-6873/731-723-1024(work) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23315	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel quality

So did you put a dial indicator on the wheels of this infamous Geep? I am betting if you did you would have seen individual runnout on the wheels that was probably not in itself remarkable. I suspect that the timing was such that the runnout of the wheels on the common axles was 180deg out of phase. Sometimes the brass wheels are out of round and sometimes it is the insulator and sometimes it is both. I true the wheels on a mandrel on a lathe. I then machine a nylon insulator if the original is not concentric and then press them together and this will generally fix any wobble. The axial wobble is usually the most noticable, but it is the radial wobble that is the reall killer from my perspective and hardest to cure. Especially if the timing is 180Deg out. Just wondering if you think any of the above would have reslolved your situation. Mark P.S. I love my can motor in my 343. ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <rinphoto@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel quality > Here's my take on Lionel service/quality. > A few years ago I bought a NIB set of SP Geep's. It was several years after > they would have been 1 yr. old. The power unit wobbled like a duck and I did > all I could to fix it. (and I'm good). I called Lionel service and they told > me to send it in on warranty even though it was several years old. They > couldn't get the wobble out either. What did they do? They sent it back along > with a then new NKP Geep and three pieces of rolling stock that must have > been left unsold. My cost...? NADA, Zilch, nothing. How can you beat that for > service? How do I feel about Lionels service? I think the above speaks for > itself. I buy their AF products when I like what they make and I don't buy it > if I don't. It's that simple. > > Steve....S-'n-S Trains.....Boise > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23316	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel quality

Dear Paul, If making money was a criteria for SHS, I think I would have done better getting a job and using the time to pump gas. My partner and I wanted to make S scale trains and that is what we do. Trust me, making money was not a consideration. With about 100X of our market share and the exact same amount of work needed to bring a product ot market, to make money I would be making HO. Don Paul4Schil@... wrote: > We shouldn't worry about judgments based on nostalgia or other >factors. > Lionel - and all other S scale manufacturers - should continue to do >what they think will make them money. The marketplace - which is nothing >more than the sum total of all S scalers wants - will decide. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23317	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel quality

Don, thanks. I just think that the best judge of what people want is what they'll buy, i.e., they vote best with the wallets. Frankly, I think your "stuff" and that of AM's is the greatest (and I have enough of it as well as other S manufacturers). Just watching one of your cars roll down the track - so well made that with one push they seem to keep going indefinitely - brings a light to my eyes. As such, if I let my emotions get the best of me, I'd say forget re-made Lionel/Flyer and the past and go with the future and the new S gauge manufacturers. But, keeping those feelings in check I'd say: let all offer what they will and let everyone buy what they want: the good will out (and it will be our new manufacturers, including SHS). Regards. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23318	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: what about MTH?

I don't need a Baldwin. But being a toy boy, I'll be ordering a baggage smasher! Oh yeah! I felt that Lionel reacted to MTH by releasing accessories last time. Does MTH have something in store for us too? Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23319	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer

Just for the record, the add it incorrect, NJ is #3 in the US for egg plant. California is #1. Don richard.bendever@... wrote: >NJ is the world's largest producer of egg plant! > > I was not aware that NJ was an agricultural state, except for truck >farming, poultry, etc. >What valuable cash crop were these cars built for, mush melons? > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23320	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: PFE reefer

That's nice. I''m planning to make eggplant Parmagiana this weekend. If it came from Jersey, the eggplant will probably glow in the dark. I'll check before I cook it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23321	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: what about MTH?

What about kline? bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jollivier4@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] what about MTH? > I don't need a Baldwin. But being a toy boy, I'll be ordering a baggage > smasher! Oh yeah! I felt that Lionel reacted to MTH by releasing > accessories last time. Does MTH have something in store for us too? > > Jacques > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23322	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: #670 Track Trip

Has anyone on the list ever successfully taken apart a 670 electric track trip to rewind the coil? Any tips? Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23323	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Track cleaning

Patrick, There are several good ways to clean track, but dipping them in solvent is not one of them. The paper insulators between the track and rails could be damaged. Check out the FAQ page for several methods as well as a lot of other good info. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm For cleaning wheels, use Q-tips and alcohol. Its tedious, but onces its done its pretty easy to keep up on it. Enjoy your trains, they are the greatest! Steve Blancard Where there's smoke there's Flyer! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Pat O'Sullivan <pat_osullivan_email@y...> wrote: > > I have an American Flyer train set that has been in storage for years. As one might expect the plain track sections, track switches and wheels on the locomotives need cleaning. > > a) Plain track sections. These are simple sections that just plug together. There are no plastic or electrical items such as solenoids, etc. There are a lot of track sections. Is there safe and effective some way to clean these in mass such as dipping them in some solvent? > > b) Track switches. These include plastic and electrical items. There are only a few track switches. These may likely need to be done individually by hand. Is there a method, a particular solvent, sand paper grit etc., if applicable, that could be recommended? > > c) Locomotive wheels. It would be nice if these could be cleaned without dis-assembly of the locomotives but maybe dis-assembly is not a big deal and in the end yields materially better results. There are only a few locomotives. Perhaps the answer to this item is similar to item "b" above. Is there a method, a particular solvent, sand paper grit etc., if applicable, that could be recommended? > > Thanks and best regards, > > Patrick O'Sullivan > > (760) 940-8355 > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23324	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: 15B

Chris, I haven't tried it myself, but JB weld is pretty good for whatever ails ya. Steve Blancard --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Cbtrainnut1@a... wrote: > Hi All, > does anyone on the list have a spare 15B shell. Yes, the black bakelight > piece. My was dropped a while back and got a huge crack in it. > Has anyone ever tried to repair a crack in bakelight? > I'm willing to pay for it and the shipping if anyone has one to get rid of. > Thanks, > > Chris The Trainnut > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23325	From: John G	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer

Lionel has the aquarium action car, maybe S gauge's answer is the "eggplant" action car! John Gasal , Don Thompson <robin@s...> wrote: > Just for the record, the add it incorrect, NJ is #3 in the US for egg plant. California is #1. > Don > > richard.bendever@a... wrote: > > >NJ is the world's largest producer of egg plant! > > > > I was not aware that NJ was an agricultural state, except for truck > >farming, poultry, etc. > >What valuable cash crop were these cars built for, mush melons? > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@Y... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23326	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1733

Chris: Jute carpet pad is the padding used under carpet, I purchased it several years ago, don't know if they still make it. It looks like a course felt 3/8" thick, I cut it in 2 1/2" strips & place it under the track, one #17 x 1" nail per section, place additional (wood) ties in the track and ballast with gray (clay) kitty litter or oil dry STP brand, glue in place with John's Ballast glue. Works real well, keeps the trains quite and $20 worth of material has taken care of 240' +/-of track. Check with a carpet store may be a rubber bad will work the same way. Converting manual switches. Tom Jarcho is correct, I have converted son manual switches in the past using parts from damaged electric switches, the main problem is no wire terminals on the manual switches, so I run the wires up thru the holes for the terminals. Now, I saw the switch motor housing off, along a curve similar to a section of curves track then power the switch with a slow motion switch motor, about $12 each. much easier,cheaper and works better than the original. Switches can be located closer together. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23327	From: eric.reis	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: New F7 is here.

Got my SHS Great Northern F7 from the UPS guy today. Unwrapped it and have it running around the layout. This thing is not only geogous and a great runner (SHS Givens) but everything is there for the scale or high rail guy. People complain on this list about Knuckle couplers or KD assembly. There are both Knuckle and assembled knuckles in the box. Don't like hi-rail, want scale , its in there. Want to add a coupler to the front to double head, thats there too. and it has sound. After having one of these for about $270 and having bougnt a compariable quality AM E-8 (without the scale parts) for about $225. I cant see why anyone would want to buy any engine from Lionel unless they raise their quality standards a lot. (Duck and cover here.) Thanks Don for another incredible piece of rolling stock and even in a northwest line. An open question: How many of you complaining about "no modern equipment have an AM SD60"?? Another great engine ( I have a BNSF and a demo scheme) and admittedly not the latest but as modern as most everything I see around here. Just curious, as sales of them with some encouragement to Ron should translate into more modern type stuff. I'll hide now, but I really am curious as to how people expect the new Lionel Flyer stuff to compare. By the way, I bought a set LTI NP last year, sold the Engines on ebay, and replaced them with a pair of AM F-7's (only NP's) and came out almost even with better running engines. The problems I always have with the LTI stuff is speed control. They only run fast and are pretty jumpy. Now I still need to get the LTI stuff through the SHS switches but Don is working on that. Ok back to playing with the trains now. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23328	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: Look at whats coming.........????

There's another name for the list of AF compatible trains. Pennsylvania Heritage Models http://www.paheritagemodels.com If Lionel could look up, they would see that they were getting surrounded.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23329	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer

I guess this is a bit off-topic, but since you asked: NJ has lots of sandy and boggy terrain in the south-central part of the state. It is not ideal for growing things like wheat and corn, but it is perfect for certain crops. If memory serves correctly, NJ is the #2 producer of cranberries (after Mass.), the #2 producer of blueberries (after Michigan) and the #2 producer of tomatoes (after California). Many of the Jersey tomatoes wind up in Campbell's tomato soup, which is made in Camden, NJ. So there..... Dan B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <richard.bendever@...> To: <jarcho@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PFE Reefer > NJ is the world's largest producer of egg plant! > > I was not aware that NJ was an agricultural state, except for truck > farming, poultry, etc. > What valuable cash crop were these cars built for, mush melons? > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23330	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: SHS Tomato Car

I bought the SHS PRR stock car to model the Pennsylvania Tomato cars which were used to deliver tomatoes to Campbell's Soup in Camden NJ. I don't think they used eggplant. Here is the link to the tomato car. http://www.prrths.com/PRR_Tomato.html By the way, we don't call it the Garden State for nothing. New Jersey ranks #2 in the U.S. in blueberries, #3 in cranberries & bell peppers, #4 in peaches and #5 in asparagus. Jim Duncan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23331	From: keith kuzma	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: New lionel

Doug, www.portlines.com ,has the new stuff listed with pictures on his website.Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23332	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: Truck Clean-up

Greetings to all! With the "tie-tightener" made and cabooses under consideration, am going to try to reclaim a set of rusty link coupler trucks. This cold weather does have its benefits. In removing the rust, I expect to loose the blueing. The gun shop has a number of brands available but was not eager to recommend one that would produce the dark blue of the truck. Question for the group ... is there a particular brand that produced a dark blue or a technique that that I could use to help darken the blue? Thanks for the help and best wishes, Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23333	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: pulmor Atlantic question

Did Gilbert ever make any Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires? i know they made some 283's and 287's that way, but what about Atlantics? Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23334	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2003
Subject: OFF TOPIC/ ERECTOR QUESTION

Hi Guys, This is not a Train question, but a Gilbert one. Anyone know which year Gilbert built all aluminum Erector parts? I slowed down on the buying of AF & have a nasty Erector habit now. Thank you, Mike S. PS: Is there an Erector list also? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23335	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: NJ Vegetables

No Wonder there are so many Lionel AF fans in NJ, They are all a bunch of vegetables! Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23336	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Sad fact

The 0n3 group is twice our size. Why, because Bachmann made 0n3 popular. The sad fact is that 0n3 is the size of S. So people like the size and they like the price, and Bachmann has no competion. They could not do that in O or S. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23337	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Estate Sale

WOW! Thanks for the great response. Everything is spoken for except the RUSTI Bakers Choc tanker #31507. I received so many e-mails that it will be impossible to respond to each of you, so thank you again. I will post a few more pieces next week as I get time. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23338	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Timonium Show

We will be displaying at the Timonium Show this weekend. We will have several tables for merchandise and a small layout. Samples of new products include Panel side hoppers, the new composite hoppers and the modified #3 switch. We will be taking advance orders for the B&O 2-8-0 E-27as at the show. Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23339	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Blatant Commercialism

This weeks shipment include the AT&SF passenger F-7s. We are now shipping out the back orders and should complete the shipping by midnext week. These were the best selling F-7s and will take a bit longer to clear the backlog. Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23340	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC/ ERECTOR QUESTION

Hi, Try this link: http://www.wagnerandsonstoys.com/ Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] OFF TOPIC/ ERECTOR QUESTION Hi Guys, This is not a Train question, but a Gilbert one. Anyone know which year Gilbert built all aluminum Erector parts? I slowed down on the buying of AF & have a nasty Erector habit now. Thank you, Mike S. PS: Is there an Erector list also? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23341	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning track

As far as I'm concerned, nothing beats a dry piece of Scotch-brite pad. I cut a single piece into 4 sections for use. It's almost effortless, leaves the rails nice and shiny without scratching the enamel, and leaves no mess. And there's no metallic fibers hanging around, like you'll get with steel wool. When it's dirty, throw it away and use a new one. <<<< a) Plain track sections. These are simple sections that just plug together. There are no plastic or electrical items such as solenoids, etc. There are a lot of track sections. Is there safe and effective some way to clean these in mass such as dipping them in some solvent? >>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23342	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Converting manual switches

Guess what.....we can supply those terminal posts & nuts too! <<<< Converting manual switches. Tom Jarcho is correct, I have converted some manual switches in the past using parts from damaged electric switches, the main problem is no wire terminals on the manual switches>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23343	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: PFE Reefer

Dan Brindell, in defense of the Great State of New Jersey, said: >NJ is the #2 >producer of cranberries (after Mass.), the #2 producer of blueberries (after >Michigan) and the #2 producer of tomatoes (after California). Many of the >Jersey tomatoes wind up in Campbell's tomato soup, which is made in Camden, >NJ. So there..... And sometimes, if the wind is just right across the Turnpike, you get a really good whiff of all that #2! OK, BIG :-> Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23344	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Schreiner Passenger Cars

Dear Jack: Laser Horizons makes sides. You have to attach them yourself to an AM shell. The sides come in two thicknesses. Thick and you cut away the entire side of the car, keeping the ends, roof, and floor intact. Thin and you just cut away the window area where the window holes and the thin sides conflict. I chose to go with the thin sides for three reasons: 1. More of the original AM car is left intact. 2. The thin sides are about the correct depth to the windows so if you make a sandwich of side, sheet of 'windows', and then the car, it should look really good. (Obviously I need to mask the windows while I paint. I will ask for help when I get this far.) 3. I am a much better talker than do'er. I figure the less cutting I do gives me fewer chances to destroy rather than build.... I have cc'ed Dennis Laser Horizons with this e-mail and I have a special request: Dennis: would you please post what you currently offer to the S Lists? Thanks! So where did I get the unpainted coach I will be putting my thin sides onto? I asked Ron of American Models for one in August of last year. He sent me an unassembled, undecorated coach (for a price) and it is beautiful! It is so nice I have minor guilty pangs about cutting up this perfect shell. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: JNR59@... [mailto:JNR59@...] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:21 AM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Schreiner Passenger Cars Thorin, Who is Laser Horizons re: their "S" diner you spoke about in your post? Is it an 80' car? What is the price and contact information? I too need a diner to go with my U.P. 80' AM cars. The problem I had with Scheiner is that their roofs are not detailed as compared to the AM 80' models. How about the Laser Horizons diner? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23345	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Pairing AM Baldwin Switcher

As a point of reference, I think you will find that seldom did operating railroads pair Baldwin with any other manufactureres units. The fact that Baldwins were pneumatically controlled and everyone elses were electrically controlled, made this economically unrealistic. A seperate crew would have had to run the Baldwin(s) in the lash-up. This also was one more reason for Baldwins demise. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23346	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Schreiner Passenger Cars

Dear Jack: All of American Model's streamliners are 80 foot cars. I see that a short history lesson is in order. (Fortunately I am just doing a cut-and-paste from another e-mail I sent months ago.) Don made these to go with his FP-7. His FP-7 was really what restarted S-Scale. Ron was the first, modern manufacturer that was serious about S Scale and did mass production. The original version would not negotiate a 22 inch curve and had body mounted, scale size, dummy couplers. He then went on to create these passenger cars to go with it. Because of the limitations of even 40 inch radius and 80 foot cars, the couplers are talgo mounted. This was about 1986. The explosion started when S-Helper asked for (and got) donations to defray the cost of cutting the molds (1989). S-Helper and American Models had a number of success stories (1989 - 1993). Ron, who was selling at a small profit, got further money to develop his own line. S-Helper, who was selling at a small profit, ended up developing their own line. (That is another story.) So the AM smooth sides were created for the S _S_C_A_L_E_ crowd. I saw them in the 1980s being pulled by SCALE F-units on SCALE track with WIDE radius curves. When Ron started offering them with highrail wheelsets in 1988 is when I jumped on board -- knowing full well they would not go around my AF curves. (Actually, with a little tweaking they can be coerced to go around AF curves. But they will not clear an AF switch box any way other than straight which is why you keep hearing me ask for wide switches!) Ron has had great success with the Budd cars. In the short time they have been available, he has sold more than the streamliners ever sold! But the Budds are shorties and will do a 22 inch curve. There was an effort to raise funds to kick start sale of full-length Budd sets. Ron's requirement was 100 orders. With 100 orders Ron would have cut full length molds. (He needed about 150 sales to break even.) But it fell short at 77 orders. (I have the streamliners. I don't want Budds -- at any length.) Because it died at 77 orders, every time someone cries for full length cars, I just shake my head. The full length streamliners are beautiful. What I originally wanted were the AF (or new Flyonel) streamliners. I tried to purchase just the passenger cars when Lionel released the UP streamliners (using AF molds). Charles Ro just laughed at me. (They didn't tell me but Lionel sold them with AA PA-1s as a boxed set.) I wanted all four AF cars plus an extra coach. I purchased a six car train of AM UP streamliners in highrail and never looked back. (Charles Ro's laughing at me also had an effect: Ron Leventon now gets my Flyonel business.) Thorin -----Original Message----- From: JNR59@... [mailto:JNR59@...] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:16 AM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Schreiner Passenger Cars Thorin, Thanks for the great info! One last question..............was the coach you bought from Ron of AM an 80' or a 72' item? Thanks, Jack Riely P.S. Thanks for emailing the vendor. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23347	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: jersey tomatoes?????????

Campbells no longer makes any soup products in jersey. The headquarters is still in Camden, but the factory has long since been knocked down. And, although they once used jersey tomatoes exclusively, well before the closing of the plant they switched to products of other states because of quality concerns. So, if anyone is saying "hmmm hmmm good" while having their soup, it was probably made in Texas......................Dennis Donovan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23348	From: David	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC/ ERECTOR QUESTION

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/erector/messages/30

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23349	From: Michael and Linda Marmer	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: jersey tomatoes, no train content

The Campbell's plant is now the site of a minor league baseball park. Although, N.J. is known for tomatoes, and a major maker of Pizza Sauce is the Violet Packing Company, in Vineland, N.J., the best tomatoes for use in cooking are from California. I should know, I sold canned tomatoes for 20 years to the Italian and Pizza restaurant trade in the DC area. CA tomatoes are not as acid as the ones from N.J. and are more solid. Growing conditions in CA are better. They are packed into #10 cans in October of every year. Whole, diced, paste, puree, pizza sauce, crushed, etc. TCA had a great article about Heinz and the development of RR cars to get product to the plant, plus to have them to like billboards advertising Heinz products. Of course, now we are in PA! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Donovan" <riker@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] jersey tomatoes????????? > Campbells no longer makes any soup products in jersey. The > headquarters is still in Camden, but the factory has long since been > knocked down. > And, although they once used jersey tomatoes exclusively, well > before the closing of the plant they switched to products of other states > because of quality concerns. > So, if anyone is saying "hmmm hmmm good" while having their soup, > it was probably made in Texas......................Dennis Donovan > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23350	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Moe and Joe

***(((Mo and Joe work for U.P now.Keith)))*** Thanks Keith,.. Thought the colors may be UP,....I couldn't read what the flatcar said! Hmmmm...that is fitting, since UP took over SP !!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23351	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning track

**(((As far as I'm concerned, nothing beats a dry piece of Scotch-brite pad. I cut a single piece into 4 sections for use. It's almost effortless, leaves the rails nice and shiny without scratching the enamel, and leaves no mess. And there's no metallic fibers hanging around, like you'll get with steel wool. When it's dirty, throw it away and use a new one.)))** I agree with Doug! For my last Christmas layout,...I used a lot of AF track w/roadbed, that I just received from ebay. The track was pretty dirty,...I was in a rush, and wanted to lay out the track,..after I achieved my design,...I tested with a loco,...ran fairly well,...Of course not perfect due to the dirty track,... {Please no letters!! I NORMALLY clean track before running a loco!!}....I didn't want to take the track apart,.. so I used a Scotch-Brite pad,...effortless, really,...and the loco ran great!! I did get a few LITTLE green pieces of pad on my white sheet under the track,...but was easy to suck up with a vac. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23352	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Pairing AM Baldwin Switcher

I wonder what they did about the screw hole crack. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: Paul4Schil@... ; S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pairing AM Baldwin Switcher As a point of reference, I think you will find that seldom did operating railroads pair Baldwin with any other manufactureres units. The fact that Baldwins were pneumatically controlled and everyone elses were electrically controlled, made this economically unrealistic. A seperate crew would have had to run the Baldwin(s) in the lash-up. This also was one more reason for Baldwins demise. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23353	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: flyonel Baldwin Switcher screw hole crack

It no doubt is to be included for nostalgic purpose at no xtra charge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> To: <Paul4Schil@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <WJJIM@...> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pairing AM Baldwin Switcher I wonder what they did about the screw hole crack. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: Paul4Schil@... ; S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pairing AM Baldwin Switcher As a point of reference, I think you will find that seldom did operating railroads pair Baldwin with any other manufactureres units. The fact that Baldwins were pneumatically controlled and everyone elses were electrically controlled, made this economically unrealistic. A seperate crew would have had to run the Baldwin(s) in the lash-up. This also was one more reason for Baldwins demise. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23354	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: On3 and On30

**((The 0n3 group is twice our size. Why, because Bachmann made 0n3 popular. The sad fact is that 0n3 is the size of S. So people like the size and they like the price, and Bachmann has no competion. They could not do that in O or S.)))** Jim Sleeth Is that On3 or On30?? And what is the difference?? I'm familiar with On30. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23355	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Shameless self promotion

"Be Not Proud!" Oh, bugger off. I did another Photoshop job on those cool photos I found on the Glancy Trains site. Here is the address: http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album16?&page=2 Go see it and tell me what you think. Dan Machesky was swell enough to post both my efforts. BTW, anybody who is taking layout and club/show pictures should take notes on what this guy is doing. He takes pictures you actually want to look at. Dig the close-ups. In focus. Lit. Not trying to get the whole world and everybody in it into one picture. A lesson for us all. We need some S-gauge pix of this quality. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23356	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Shameless self promotion

Chris...nice work....Wonder when the 3 rail clowns will get rid of that center rail...its not that hard to do 2 rail..."n,ho'oo's'g" does....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> To: "TCA" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Shameless self promotion > "Be Not Proud!" > > Oh, bugger off. I did another Photoshop job on those cool photos I found on > the Glancy Trains site. > Here is the address: > http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album16?&page=2 > > Go see it and tell me what you think. Dan Machesky was swell enough to post > both my efforts. > > BTW, anybody who is taking layout and club/show pictures should take notes > on what this guy is doing. He takes pictures you actually want to look at. > Dig the close-ups. In focus. Lit. Not trying to get the whole world and > everybody in it into one picture. A lesson for us all. We need some > S-gauge pix of this quality. > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23357	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: On3 and On30

Rick, ON30 represents O gauge, 30" wide narrow gauge tracks. ON3 represents O gauge, 3 foot wide (36") narrow gauge tracks. ON3 has been around for a long time. ON30 was developed to take advantage of the similarity in size to HO track. By using HO track and loco chassis manufactureres have made it is much more cost effective to build a narrow gauge pike. I think the true hardcore ON3 guys scoff at ON30 as a compromise and lazy man's way to do O gauge narrow gauge. I love what Bachmann has done with ON30. They've given me all kinds of kitbash fodder. Steve Blancard --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <comic@d...> wrote: > > Is that On3 or On30?? And what is the difference?? I'm familiar with On30. > > Rick. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23358	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Getting Back into AF

Hello, I thought I would spend a few minutes in order to introduce myself. I signed up for this board a week or two ago and have just been lurking so far. I'm quickly finding this is one active list! I was first introduced to American Flyer in the early 1970s with my Dad's set. We used to set it up every year under the Christmas tree or on the floor in the basement. Between this and my Grandpa's stories of the steam era, this is what got me hooked on railroads, an interest which has only grown over the years. Still in my youth at one point I "wanted a diesel (locomotive)" so my parents bought me an HO Scale set for Christmas about 1974. The HO layout was up year round while the Flyer continued to be set up only at Christmas time, for the most part. When I left home for college, the HO layout came down for good and despite joining the model railroad club at Penn State, I chose to largely focus on the prototype (in terms of operations and history). The prototype is still my prime interest (in fact, I'm working on a book on the New York Central's Beech Creek District, hence my e-mail addy) but I'm getting the Flyer bug again. Maybe it is a wave of nostalgia or some sort of calling to come back to the roots of my railroad interest. Anyhow, I hope to get my Dad's old set up and running again, as a more permanent pike. I know I'm going to have a wealth of work--for example the locomotive (the 290) and handcar haven't run since Christmas 1994 (and there was a several years' long dry spell before that). The accessories, which I did not play with as a youth, probably haven't been used since my Dad operated them in the early 1950s. In general, this equipment is going to need a major cleaning and oiling, for starters. Based on what I've read on this list so far it seems there are a ton of experts here so please bear with me if I ask some very basic questions in the coming days. Best regards, Jeff Feldmeier Allen Park, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23359	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Misc on30, g

I noted where a comment was made about On30...It seems to be growing slowly....Yes its about "S" size...I have some stuff to try to convert...Just one of many projects....But if you think about "G" guage stuff...I wonder how popular it is compared to "S"...I would think about the same....I just got my MTH Hudson "G" in the mail..Boy is it HEAVY....can't wait for the Big Boy...This Hudson is really beautiful and at almost 3 feet long....So..my point...if g and s are about the same in number or model railroaders....Why don't they make more "S"...It is the perfect scale...We just need to promote it....I really think, with all thats going on at lionel, mth, kline, shs, am, etc we are in for an boom in "S"....Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23360	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Misc on30, g

Robert, et al, According to an old (five years or so) copy of MR, HO has about 70% of the market, N about 10%, O about 10%, G about 4%, and S about 1-2%. The remainder of the market is divided up between the narrow gauge (On30, On3, Nn3, Sn3, HOn3) and really narrow-market scales like OO, TT, Z, etc. Of course these percentages are "about" or approximately, and may have varied since 1999. Roy Inman ---------- > From: robert allen conner <rcon7@...> > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:21:35 -0500 > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Misc on30, g > > I noted where a comment was made about On30...It seems to be growing > slowly....Yes its about "S" size...I have some stuff to try to > convert...Just one of many projects....But if you think about "G" guage > stuff...I wonder how popular it is compared to "S"...I would think about the > same....I just got my MTH Hudson "G" in the mail..Boy is it HEAVY....can't > wait for the Big Boy...This Hudson is really beautiful and at almost 3 feet > long....So..my point...if g and s are about the same in number or model > railroaders....Why don't they make more "S"...It is the perfect scale...We > just need to promote it....I really think, with all thats going on at > lionel, mth, kline, shs, am, etc we are in for an boom in "S"....Bob > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23361	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Off topic -- Photo of CNS&M 727 coming home

To all: I have a digital photo of Chicago, North Shore, and Milwaukee car 727 on her way from the Mason City and Clear Lake Historical Society's car barn to the Iowa Traction shops. She is running under her own power from 600 volt DC overhead. This photo was taken by Soph Marty (my father) on December 26, 2002 so is VERY current. The photo is 171 K and I will be glad to forward it to anyone who wants a copy. I am currently using this photo on my desktop. Thorin P.S. Feel free to forward this e-mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23362	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF

Welcome Jeff. They are all experts,just ask them! They have helped me innumerable times. The only dumb question is the one you do not ask.."Flyer Forever",John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beechcricker <BeechCrRR@a...>" <BeechCrRR@a...> wrote: > Hello, > > I thought I would spend a few minutes in order to introduce myself. > I signed up for this board a week or two ago and have just been > lurking so far. I'm quickly finding this is one active list! > > I was first introduced to American Flyer in the early 1970s with my > Dad's set. We used to set it up every year under the Christmas tree > or on the floor in the basement. Between this and my Grandpa's > stories of the steam era, this is what got me hooked on railroads, an > interest which has only grown over the years. > > Still in my youth at one point I "wanted a diesel (locomotive)" so my > parents bought me an HO Scale set for Christmas about 1974. The HO > layout was up year round while the Flyer continued to be set up only > at Christmas time, for the most part. > > When I left home for college, the HO layout came down for good and > despite joining the model railroad club at Penn State, I chose to > largely focus on the prototype (in terms of operations and history). > > The prototype is still my prime interest (in fact, I'm working on a > book on the New York Central's Beech Creek District, hence my e- mail > addy) but I'm getting the Flyer bug again. Maybe it is a wave of > nostalgia or some sort of calling to come back to the roots of my > railroad interest. Anyhow, I hope to get my Dad's old set up and > running again, as a more permanent pike. I know I'm going to have a > wealth of work--for example the locomotive (the 290) and handcar > haven't run since Christmas 1994 (and there was a several years' long > dry spell before that). The accessories, which I did not play with > as a youth, probably haven't been used since my Dad operated them in > the early 1950s. In general, this equipment is going to need a major > cleaning and oiling, for starters. > > Based on what I've read on this list so far it seems there are a ton > of experts here so please bear with me if I ask some very basic > questions in the coming days. > > Best regards, > Jeff Feldmeier > Allen Park, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23363	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Misc on30, g

Does anyone know where I can find a Operating Box car # 974 or 674, thanks, Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23364	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Shameless self promotion

**((( I did another Photoshop job on those cool photos)))*** Very nice Chris,....I would like to try that with photos! **(((BTW, anybody who is taking layout and club/show pictures should take notes on what this guy is doing. He takes pictures you actually want to look at. Dig the close-ups. In focus. Lit. Not trying to get the whole world and everybody in it into one picture. A lesson for us all. We need some S-gauge pix of this quality.)))*** I seem to have problems when taking close-ups with a flash.....my zoom is only a 2.5 digital,..and is only a $199.99 camera,....my cousin just bought the same brand as mine, newer, same price, but has a 3. somethin' OPTICAL zoom,.....and a couple of photos he emailed me of his cat, close-up w/flash,...seem to be MUCH better then I can get!! I haven't used my zoom much,...seems to be real grainy. Hmmm....time to move up to a better digital camera I guess!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23365	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF

Welcome aboard Jeff!! Shouldn't have any problems getting answers here!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23366	From: John L.	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Painting Locomotives

Since getting bit by the AF bug a year or so ago, and having been given back my originial AF 290 train I got for Xmas when I was 6 - I have accumulated a number of AF locomotive die cast pieces. A couple of these are in need of a new paint job. My question is -what is the best way to prepare one of these for a new paint job, and what is the best type of model paint to use. Any comments will be appreciated. Also after repaint - how do you go about properly putting the numbers and AF logos on the engine and tender.?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23367	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Caig Update

Yesterday the postal service delivered the last of three cartons of shipping boxes. Today, UPS brought 3 huge cartons of Caig contact enhancing paste, M-260Cp. I now have to generate 82 Priority Mailing labels using the database I built for this project. Then, I have to put one package's worth of components together and take it to be mailed. I have to keep each one under a pound or it becomes a nightmare, so what goes into the box matters a great deal. I may decide to e-mail you all a scanned copy of the instructions to keep the weight down. Nonetheless, the wait is over--for me at least Chris Zizzo P.S.- There will be two or three extra containers. Anybody who wanted one but couldn't get in before, e-mail me right away. Thanks. CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23368	From: John L.	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER CAN MOTOR REPLACEMENT

Since aquiring some AF locomotive pieces, one of these had an open field coil that needed repair. I have decided instead to install a Can motor in one of my locomotives instead. Two questions - which locoomotvie type do you think would benefit most from putting one of these in - a 4-4-2, a 290 4-6-2, a 312 4-4-2 Pennsylvania type, or a 322 Hudson 4-6-4? It seems that each of these types of locomotives runs slower around the track, and my bias is to try it in a Hudson. Woudl this perk up their speed and pulling power etc. Also - I am also going to try a half speed can motor - what results have any of you had with this type too. Also - my Hudson seems to have a "growling noise" - any idea what this could be? Just a newbie trying things out - thnaks for you help and advice.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23369	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 26, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23370	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel Baldwins

Oh my goodness.....I SURE hope they didn't alter the shell so that it won't crack!!!!! That wouldn't be ORIGINAL ! After all, our rerailers were criticized because we didn't alter them so they aren't sagging 50 years from now. I wonder how you please everybody???? (Now....don't get a long thread started here! I am writing this tongue-in-cheek!) <<<<I wonder what they did about the screw hole crack.>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 New Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23371	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Caig Update

Hey Cris....don't forget to use the USPS labels on the net.....free delivery confirmation!!!! I always use it...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "TCA" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Caig Update > Yesterday the postal service delivered the last of three cartons of shipping > boxes. Today, UPS brought 3 huge cartons of Caig contact enhancing paste, > M-260Cp. > > I now have to generate 82 Priority Mailing labels using the database I built > for this project. Then, I have to put one package's worth of components > together and take it to be mailed. I have to keep each one under a pound or > it becomes a nightmare, so what goes into the box matters a great deal. I > may decide to e-mail you all a scanned copy of the instructions to keep the > weight down. > > Nonetheless, the wait is over--for me at least > > Chris Zizzo > > P.S.- There will be two or three extra containers. Anybody who wanted one > but couldn't get in before, e-mail me right away. Thanks. > CZ > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23372	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 AF (commercial!)

We have now posted to our website individual images of all 16 items in the 2003 Flyonel line, along with ordering information and pricing. We expect to allow a minimum of 15% discount off MSRP for all orders placed before March 1st. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 New Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23373	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel Baldwins

In a message dated 1/24/03 8:15:38 PM, doug@... writes: << Oh my goodness.....I SURE hope they didn't alter the shell so that it won't crack!!!!! That wouldn't be ORIGINAL! After all, our rerailers were criticized because we didn't alter them so they aren't sagging 50 years from now. I wonder how you please everybody???? (Now....don't get a long thread started here! I am writing this tongue-in-cheek!) >> Nonetheless, serious reply: I'm sure they will alter the injection molding conditions to eliminate the "knit line" at the screw hole that is the original of all of the infamous Baldwin screw hole cracks. They will also use a plastic (ABS) which is more resistant to the environmental stress cracking that results from exposure to oil at stress concentrators (such as screw holes). Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23374	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Baldwin screw hole crack

The crack through the screw hole in the 5 digit Flyer Baldwin is partly caused by the fact that the reverse unit is mounted so high that it pushes against the top of the body. There are two sets of screw holes in the 5 digit reverse unit, an upper pair and a lower pair. They were always mounted in the Baldwin using the lower screw holes. If you remount he reverse unit so it is held by the upper screw holes, the reverse unit will ride lower, though still plenty high enough to clear the track. But by now, it's probably too late. Fortunately, that crack is usually easy to repair and conceal. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23375	From: theheadliner	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Shameless self promotion

Rick, When getting a new camera, look at optical zoom and not digital zoom. The first thing I do with a new digital camera is shut off the digital soom so it can't accidentally get used. Digital zoom is the same thing as taking the picture without a zoom and increasing the size then cropping in a graphics program. You loose quality fast. This is probably what you are calling grainy. keep it in optical zoom and you will be amazed at the difference. Jerry Hiett Rick Evans writes: > > > > **((( I did another Photoshop job on those cool photos)))*** > > Very nice Chris,....I would like to try that with photos! > > > **(((BTW, anybody who is taking layout and club/show pictures should take notes > on what this guy is doing. He takes pictures you actually want to look at. > Dig the close-ups. In focus. Lit. Not trying to get the whole world and > everybody in it into one picture. A lesson for us all. We need some > S-gauge pix of this quality.)))*** > > I seem to have problems when taking close-ups with a flash.....my zoom is only a 2.5 digital,..and is only > a $199.99 camera,....my cousin just bought the same brand as mine, newer, same price, but has a 3. somethin' > OPTICAL zoom,.....and a couple of photos he emailed me of his cat, close-up w/flash,...seem to be MUCH better > then I can get!! I haven't used my zoom much,...seems to be real grainy. > Hmmm....time to move up to a better digital camera I guess!! > > > Rick. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email at http://quickmail.quickhosts.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23376	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER CAN MOTOR REPLACEMENT

I can only comment on the slow speed can motor (S'nS type). I have used 3 of them so far and am very pleased. They are smooth, quiet and easy to install, with no permenent changes. I like the slower speed because you get brighter lights and a lot more smoke without flying off the track. They will also crawl along very slowly, which is pretty neat. I put 1 in an Atlantic and 2 in Franklins. Steve Blancard "John L." wrote: > Since aquiring some AF locomotive pieces, one of these had an open field > coil that needed repair. I have decided instead to install a Can motor > in one of my locomotives instead. Two questions - which locoomotvie type > do you think would benefit most from putting one of these in - a 4-4-2, > a 290 4-6-2, a 312 4-4-2 Pennsylvania type, or a 322 Hudson 4-6-4? It > seems that each of these types of locomotives runs slower around the > track, and my bias is to try it in a Hudson. Woudl this perk up their > speed and pulling power etc. Also - I am also going to try a half speed > can motor - what results have any of you had with this type too. > > Also - my Hudson seems to have a "growling noise" - any idea what this > could be? > > Just a newbie trying things out - thnaks for you help and advice. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23377	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: got Trona?

Hi All, An SHS Trona PS-2 just went for a whopping $66.00 plus shipping! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16509&item=3109329180 &rd=1 I was interested until it clipped $45.00. Don, you need to make that car again! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23378	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/24/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel Baldwins

The catalog text mentions a die-cast chassis. What, no flimsy aluminum stamped frame? S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23379	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Paint job.

In a message dated 1/25/03 7:36:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:48:00 -0500 > From: "John L." <larry.asp@...> > Subject: Painting Locomotives > > Since getting bit by the AF bug a year or so ago, and having been given > back my originial AF 290 train I got for Xmas when I was 6 - I have > accumulated a number of AF locomotive die cast pieces. A couple of these > are in need of a new paint job. My question is -what is the best way to > prepare one of these for a new paint job, and what is the best type of > model paint to use. Any comments will be appreciated. Also after repaint > - how do you go about properly putting the numbers and AF logos on the > engine and tender.? > > Remove all detail parts such as headlight lens and bell. Any paint chips or scratches can be smoothed over with fine emery paper before painting. Clean each part with a toothbrush using dishwashing liquid and warm water. Krylon 1613 semi flat black is a good match for the black used on steam locos. You can get either dry transfers or rubber stamps for the lettering from Portlines. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23380	From: John M McAlonan	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1736

Ah, Camden - Great yard with lots of 0-6-0's way back then. Also, some interesting train movements to model from Philly to Jersey by ferry and bridge. Anyway, here's a link to the specialty tomato cars of the PRR. http://www.prrths.com/PRR_Tomato.html Give Peace a Chance. Mac Confidentiality of Information cannot be assured on this public network.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23382	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Paint job.

Bill, No primer required? Just go straight to the finish coat (Krylon 1613)? I assume Krylon 1613 comes in a spray can, yes? I'm in the same boat with my 290--new paint required. As a purist/traditionalist, painting original equipment really goes against my grain but with the condition of my unit I think it really needs to be done. By painting it I don't think it will negatively affect its value because it probably doesn't have much of a monetary value right now. It is in pretty bad shape, e.g. the pilot was broken off years ago. Speaking of which does someone sell a replacement pilot (cowcatcher) for this locomotive? Jeff > Remove all detail parts such as headlight lens and bell. > Any paint chips or scratches can be smoothed over with fine emery paper > before painting. > Clean each part with a toothbrush using dishwashing liquid and warm water. > Krylon 1613 semi flat black is a good match for the black used on steam > locos. > You can get either dry transfers or rubber stamps for the lettering from > Portlines. > > Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23383	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF

Thanks to all of you that welcomed me aboard, both on and off line. I'm really looking forward to getting back into AF! Jeff > Hello, > > I thought I would spend a few minutes in order to introduce myself. > I signed up for this board a week or two ago and have just been > lurking so far. I'm quickly finding this is one active list! > > I was first introduced to American Flyer in the early 1970s with my > Dad's set. We used to set it up every year under the Christmas tree > or on the floor in the basement. Between this and my Grandpa's > stories of the steam era, this is what got me hooked on railroads, an > interest which has only grown over the years. > > Still in my youth at one point I "wanted a diesel (locomotive)" so my > parents bought me an HO Scale set for Christmas about 1974. The HO > layout was up year round while the Flyer continued to be set up only > at Christmas time, for the most part. > > When I left home for college, the HO layout came down for good and > despite joining the model railroad club at Penn State, I chose to > largely focus on the prototype (in terms of operations and history). > > The prototype is still my prime interest (in fact, I'm working on a > book on the New York Central's Beech Creek District, hence my e- mail > addy) but I'm getting the Flyer bug again. Maybe it is a wave of > nostalgia or some sort of calling to come back to the roots of my > railroad interest. Anyhow, I hope to get my Dad's old set up and > running again, as a more permanent pike. I know I'm going to have a > wealth of work--for example the locomotive (the 290) and handcar > haven't run since Christmas 1994 (and there was a several years' long > dry spell before that). The accessories, which I did not play with > as a youth, probably haven't been used since my Dad operated them in > the early 1950s. In general, this equipment is going to need a major > cleaning and oiling, for starters. > > Based on what I've read on this list so far it seems there are a ton > of experts here so please bear with me if I ask some very basic > questions in the coming days. > > Best regards, > Jeff Feldmeier > Allen Park, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23384	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1736

Hi: Interesting piece on the tomato cars! Actually, I have enjoyed reading all the articles that you all have supplied. Tx for a break from the 100 or more somewhat repetitive e-mails on certain topics. :-) Rance Velapoldi (Norway) John M McAlonan wrote: >Ah, Camden - Great yard with lots of 0-6-0's way back then. Also, some >interesting train movements to model from Philly to Jersey by ferry and >bridge. Anyway, here's a link to the specialty tomato cars of the PRR. >http://www.prrths.com/PRR_Tomato.html > > >Give Peace a Chance. >Mac > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23385	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Paint job.

Hi: Bill, i stripped a searchlight car frame using brake fluid. Worked great and then you can build up your paint from the base material and not have to feather the edges of the old paint. Once you've made the decision that you're gonna repaint it, you might as well get rid of the old stuff so it cannot cause you problems in the future. Word of caution, only use the brake fluid on metal bodies. I have not tried this on any plastic materials but I suspect it would not be friendly to them. As stated in an earlier post, there are good sources for stamps or decals to reinstall the lettering. Have fun. Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, bilfrazier@a... wrote: > My question is -what is the best way to > > prepare one of these for a new paint job, and what is the best type of > > model paint to use. Any comments will be appreciated. Also after repaint > > - how do you go about properly putting the numbers and AF logos on the

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23386	From: trzp1800	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF

Hi Jeff: Welcome back to S-Gauge. Be sure to hit the links page on Paul York's website and the NASG site so you can see what all is available in S these days. Ton of stuff, even though a lot of people complain about a "shortage" of available s-gauge things, for you to use in building a layout. Also check out the club sites and, dare i say it, other gauge sites. There's a ton of good info out there on the web that can be applied to any gauge of "realroad" modeling. What kind of railroad are you thinking about setting up? Scale, Hi- rail, straight Flyer? If you like the NYC, have you been to American Models' site and seen their NYC engine? It's gorgeous. It's all toys, have fun. Regards, Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beechcricker <BeechCrRR@a...>" <BeechCrRR@a...> wrote: > Thanks to all of you that welcomed me aboard, both on and off line. > I'm really looking forward to getting back into AF! > > Jeff >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23387	From: carltonlowry	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Intro

Hello, In keeping with Jeff F., I would like to introduce myself, also. I am a self-employed carpenter and I love American Flyer. I have the original trains my Dad bought my brother and I for Christmas, '56 and have recently picked up the "bug" again. I must say, I have been monitoring this digest for about 6 months and I've already gotten a ton of information that I personally had questions about, without even asking. You fellas are a very wise, diverse, and helpful group. Thanks for allowing me to be a small part, if only to learn something new. Now, I would like to locate a source for diesel shells, new or used, that I can put on some recently acquired chassis. If someone could help me, I would appreciate it. Also, if anyone posts something they need, I will be more than happy to help with what little I know or have. I've alredy done this before and I hope I haven't offended anyone in this group coming out of "left field", so to speak. Thanks for your time, Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23388	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Paint job.

In a message dated 1/25/03 9:14:13 AM, BeechCrRR@... writes: << I assume Krylon 1613 comes in a spray can, yes? >> AF "black" is not black black. AF black has some gray in it. AF black is not glossy, but a near matte. If a match doesn't matter to you don't worry about it, but Flyer engines look a bit strange painted as postwar Lionels, if you know what I mean. :-) You may wish trying to find a black that is a closer match or mixing (or having mixed) a paint closer to the original shade. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23389	From: overworkedwsor@webtv.net	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Updated Web Site

The Toy Train Barn in Argyle Wisconsin has updated it's web site with a bunch of new photos of the Toy Train Barn layouts and also the 12" grand scale " Green County Gulch Railroad " that is in the process of being built outside. The main feature layout is a S scale American Flyer layout that is about 80 feet long. A new standard gauge American Flyer / Lionel layout is currently being built as well. All of the layouts are housed in a large former dairy barn which has been remodelled and painted into bright Milwaukee Road orange and grey colors. http://www.whrc-wi.org/trainbarn Robert Eineke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23390	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: free track planning software

I came across some free software for track planning. http://www.abracadata.com/0201Free.shtml It looks like fun, has a Mac & PC version. Worth every penny. -- Any one extremely happy with their commercial software? I am thinking about buying something but not sure which one to buy. I genneraly use IntellaCad (an autocad look-a-like). ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23391	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF

> What kind of railroad are you thinking about setting up? Scale, Hi- > rail, straight Flyer? If you like the NYC, have you been to American > Models' site and seen their NYC engine? It's gorgeous. Ted, I just checked out the American Models site. The Hudson is sure sharp but isn't "my" New York Central (I'm into the "lowly" PA coal branches as opposed to the mainline). Now that NYC FA-2 would sure be at home on the branches! Alas, at least for now, I'm just going to stick with the original AF equipment (assuming I can get it running again). Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23392	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Track Planner

Has anyone got a copy of one of those Track Planner programs on their puter ..??????? I so would ya kindly send me a copy to ............ am-flyr@ telus.net I would like to see if it can help me ...Thanx..Eh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23393	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Paint job.

Hey John, & Jeff, & everyone who is interested, Repainting "mucked up" AF Diecast locos isn't really hard. Touching them up isn't either! So, first decide if the loco is so bad it needs repaint, or is it just nicked here and there at the high spots, or maybe just the pilot, or cylinders. (the 290 and later 30x locos with one-piece shells don't count on this trick). The removable piece can be completely repainted, and if you match close enough, will look just fine. I have also been known to repaint a boiler, except for the area around the cab number, if the original numbers are very legible. OK, HOW?? you ask. Hmm, if I told you, I'd have to dump you from this system! ;-) I use various paints, and as has been noted, ACG black isn't "black"--but few paint blacks are! This has been a long-term discussion over on the Model T Ford forum for some time. I have found that USUALLY the Krylon Semi-Gloss Black works well (and I can't find a can right now to quote the paint number). Paint color varies from batch to batch, even in today's computer color-matched world, so your results may vary! Don't forget to really shake up the can, the "de-glossing" ingredient likes to settle out. This is fine for complete, or partial, re-finishing. For touch-up, I sometimes spray it into a container, and use the liquid and a fine brush, or even a broom straw for touch-up. I also sometimes use Floquil, or similar model paints, if I find a good match. The touch up process takes patience; you are trying to fill a "divot" in the paint. You won't fill it all in one "touch" so you go around an area, a little daub at a time, and go back over when it is dry. The new paint can liquefy the old, so you just touch it in, very carefully. Magnification here is NOT cheating, IMHO--it's a necessity! ;-) I have a 314AW that had the measles on one side, it's a pretty good display piece now, until you get out the magnifiers. That's one loco I didn't want to repaint! Another consideration is your childhood loco. Most of those dings are part of a memory, no doubt. Do you really want to remove them? I doubt there is a right or wrong here, just a personal call. OK, back to refinishing tricks. Yes, stripping is best. If you have access to one, a glass bead cabinet with worn beads and low pressure is wonderful. Most of us don't have such access, so we strip! (alright, who brought in the poles--That's NOT what I'm talking about!) For some reason, brake fluid is still thought of as appropriate. Maybe because it is CHEAP! (and I am definitely CHEAP!), but the other products are so much better. The die-cast metal probably doesn't absorb the fluid like the plastic pieces do, but I don't like the problems it causes. (go ahead, strip a piece with it, clean it, don't paint it, and then smell it a week later, do you still detect brake fluid? Ah HA!). Paint strippers are safe on the metal parts, and there are plastic paint strippers for plastic pieces, expensive, but much safer than our home-made stuff. Cleanliness is absolute when painting, your hands transfer oils to the part, so don't handle them unless you have rubber gloves on. You CAN get used to the feel of the gloves. Paint solvents are absorbed through the skin, and especially the eyes. A wise person protects themselves (nope, I'm not a wise person, that's why my hands bother me, and might be why I forget stuff I shouldn't--20+ years of painting under less-than-ideal conditions--so do as I say, not as I did!). Use your old toothbrushes to get into nooks and crannies where old paint and dirt likes to stay. The question came up on priming. If you are just painting the black on, you may have good results without primer, but you can prime first with a compatible primer. Any goofs you do in the primer will show in the finish, so be careful. You can sand the goofs out, and you can use the primer to fill minor imperfections, if needed. You can also use a filler to fill in corroded areas. Be sure to let it dry completely before sanding, shaping or repainting. Of course, I am assuming you have stripped the boiler shell of all parts, like bells, handrails etc. You might want to make a chart of where the parts go, if you haven't done much of this before, or don't have another loco to compare yours to. Renumbering is done in at least two ways, decals/transfers or rubber stamps. I wish I had a trick for the rubber stamps, I'm still playing around with them. Properly done, they should duplicate the factory jobs (which, sometimes, weren't all that great!). With decals or dry transfers, I put a clear coat over them to protect them. There are any number of products for this. If you don't have an airbrush, you can use a satin acrylic clear spray can. Apply in very light coats so you don't lift the existing paint! I would suggest practicing on a beat up junker shell before attacking one's pride an joy. Lots of these shells at train meets--you can even practice on an old "L" shell!! As for broken pilots on a 290, etc. the unbroken shells are common enough that you usually just replace the entire shell. If it's your childhood one, keep the memory! Off to work, hope to be around for Chat Sunday! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23394	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: LTI Engine Service

Just picked up an unopened LTI 8251 set from 1982 and the engine hardly runs Does LTI still service them? If so, where would it be sent? Cost? Or, do these sets fall under "you're on your own" to get them serviced? (Like we do with vintage ACG AF?) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23395	From: Kielek Family	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Painting old AF

Hi Guys(Gals?)...You can use "Easy OFF" oven cleaner (spray bottle) to strip paint on metal and MOST plastics I've used this on old Lionels and works OK. Like everything, test on a small area inside the shell to test. Always wear rubber gloves and goggles! Spray all over the painted shell and wait a couple of minutes, then use a toothbrush and brush off the old paint.(Repeat if necessary). Then rinse the shell and clean with mild dishsoap and a toothbrush. Dry with a hairdryer on low. Once the complete shell is dry, you are ready to paint. For painting AF steamers, I've used Testors flat black with success(I know it's really FLAT but wait) . Once the paint has dried, you can apply dry transfers,then give a clear coat of Testors flat(boiler,tender boiler front and cylinders chest). Once this has dried(at least 24hrs), you can spray the parts with a small amount of furniture polish(Pledge or whatever) and hand buff. This should give a decent desired"finish". Clean any detail parts(handrails,rods,valve gear,bell) with a good chrome polish and assemble. Remember...take your time and your efforts will bring you great rewards. Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23396	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Link coupler truck blues

Greetings to all! Those link trucks have turned out blue, But they need to be black to be true, We still need your help Please give us a yelp, Then they can be black and not blue! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23397	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: paint job-repro lettering

Dry transfers for steam loco tender lettering are not currently available. The former maker, Mrs Bennet, had some kind of dispute with Lionel (sorry, Duck). Most of the ones out there have been bought up. I have tried to cajole several people into taking over; no luck so far. Someone has got to step up and take over making repro transfers, decals and stickers for Flyer. The decals available up to now have been very poor quality, not close to the originals in size font or color, and the transfers actually not much better, but at least we had SOMETHING. Computer graphics and digital cameras have come a long way, and it ought to be possible to produce a line of extremely high quality reproductions. This would mean that if you had a partially damaged decal or lettering, you could just use a piece of a repro to patch an original. This would be progress. Dry transfers of loco numbers have never been available. You have to use Alphabet/numeral sheets of dry transfers. Best way is to cut out each individual number and align them reverse side up on a piece of Scotch Removeable tape, which is transparent and has the same stickum as Post-its. Do this under magnification with tweezers. Then apply the transfers through the tape onto the loco. The transfers available up to now produce lettering that is much brighter and whiter than the original. There are ways around this, but I won't go into that here. Rubber stamps are expensive and messy, but can give great results. It's best to contrive some sort of mechanical device to lower the stamp straight onto the piece, sort of like a drill press. To ink the stamp, roll out a mixture of paint or ink, thinner, and Cobalt Drier onto a small glass plate with a breyer. Then ink the stamp from the glass plate. Flyer lettering varied somewhat in color, so you may want to tint the ink or paint with blue, brown, yellow or gray to get the right tone. Doug Peck is producing stamps these days. A lot of practice is necessary before you apply lettering this way. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23398	From: keith kuzma	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: paint job-repro lettering

I have recently(last week) bought several sets of PRR tender transfers from Doug Peck.I understand the supply may be dwindling , but it is not gone yet.Keith --- jarcho@... wrote: > > > Dry transfers for steam loco tender lettering are > not currently available. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23399	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Train spotting

Within the past two months, I think someone put up a URL where visitors could identify any engine by type using the road name and engine number------or am I being optimistic? Dang, went to the BNSF site, and they wanted $28 for a book only good through 2001. I did see something rather odd today. They were going pretty fast. I wasn't expecting them. And, I was scribbling stuff about another engine. Anyway, I think I saw two Dash 9 44-CWs (#9643 and #9646) decked out for Norfolk-Southern lashed up to two BNSF Dash 9s and headed for Los Angeles with more of those totally uninteresting inter-modal thingies. Any help with that URL? Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23400	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: BUILT 2003 ACG

Hay Gang, Today the new catalog from the "L" people got here. I was looking at the Flyer cars, and They Did Not put the "built by Lionel" on them, they say "BUILT 2003, ACG". I'm sure on the bottom there will be their name, but it's not on the car side. There's a small victory for those who didn't like to see their name on the car side. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23401	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: LTI Engine Service

In a message dated 1/25/03 2:42:37 PM, becks@... writes: << Just picked up an unopened LTI 8251 set from 1982 and the engine hardly runs >> That's a 20 year old Erie passenger set (which makes it an MPC, not an LTI). If you haven't, I'd check the lubrication first. If it still does not run, I suggest you go to Lionel's web site (http//lionel.com) and select your way into customer service. You can write them a message explaining your situation or you can call them Wednesday through Friday. They do reply to e-mail. They will probably want to swap the existing chassis for the current version -- which will be an excellent move because the original Eries are very pretty, but real dogs operationally. The folks in Chesterfield are usually pretty helpful, so give it a try. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23402	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: paint job

KRYLON 1613 Krylon 1613 black is a good starting point for someone getting into repainting for the first time. It produces a black which is somewhat darker and glossier than Gilbert paint, but is acceptable. (Gloss black is darker than flat black) .It exactly matches the paint on Lionel (sorry, Duck) locos. From there, you can expand into airbrushing as you get experience. An airbrush lets you control the color by mixing your own, and applies a much thinner coat of paint with much more control of the results than a spray can. Unfortunately, Krylon is very soft paint that scratches easily. To get around this, bake the piece after painting. Heat your oven to 180 degrees F and TURN IT OFF ! Place the loco parts on a wooden mandrel or in an alumnum tray and leave them in the oven until itheycool. Repeat several times. This will make the Krylon muich harder. KRYLON FUMES ARE EXTREMELY IRRITATING! Be sure to work outdoors or with very good ventilation. STRIPPING Stripping is only necessary when the paint is decayed, uneven, or flaking off. If you don't strip, a scratch will show the old black paint underneath. If you do strip , a scratch will reveral bare metal and show up more. Oven cleaner will work as a paint stripper, but is not a good idea because it produces a fine powdery layer of oxides or something on the metal surface that should be wire brushed off before painting. On metal locos, I use commercial paint stripper from the hardware store which only takes a few minutes to work. i have even removed the toughest paint there is -- marine anti-fouling paint -- with ease this way. Apply, let sit, brush off with a plastic or natural bristle brush or scotchbrite pad. Wear gloves and safety goggles and use good ventilation. Goggles are very inexpensive, under $2 at my hardware store. After this, scrub and rinse several times with dish detergent and a stiff brush, and rinse for several hours under running water or frequent changes of rinse water. You have to get all the paint stripper off, or it will attack the new paint, and the Flyer zinc alloy is rather porous as metals go. Then dry it in an oven heated to 180 F and turned off. CLEAR FINISH After painting and lettering, spray with Testor's 1659 semigloss clear lacquer to protect the lettering. This closely resembles the Flyer finish. Dullcote or flat clear finishes actually produce a faint whitish cast that shows up especially over black paint. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23403	From: AF336	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: LTI Engine Service

I remember hearing there was a wiring defect on many of the Erie sets. ----- Original Message ----- From: <rbubeck327@...> To: <becks@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LTI Engine Service > > In a message dated 1/25/03 2:42:37 PM, becks@... writes: > > << Just picked up an unopened LTI 8251 set from 1982 and the engine hardly > runs >> > > That's a 20 year old Erie passenger set (which makes it an MPC, not an LTI). > If you haven't, I'd check the lubrication first. If it still does not run, I > suggest you go to Lionel's web site (http//lionel.com) and select your way > into customer service. You can write them a message explaining your situation > or you can call them Wednesday through Friday. They do reply to e-mail. They > will probably want to swap the existing chassis for the current version -- > which will be an excellent move because the original Eries are very pretty, > but real dogs operationally. The folks in Chesterfield are usually pretty > helpful, so give it a try. > > RB > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23404	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: paint touch-up

I've had good results doing small touch-ups on Flyer steam locos with Testor's Model Master semi-gloss black,applied with a microbrush or similar throwaway applicator.These look like a miniature Q tip.This works best on "high rubs" such as running board edges etc.this paint is a little bit more shiny than original AF black,but most locos in need of touch-up are worn shiny from handling,oil,smoke fluid or being dunked in a bucket of water. Ask my younger brother about that last one,he lived to tell about it :>} keep on trainin' Jerry Memmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23405	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: LTI ERIE wiring

<<<<<I remember hearing there was a wiring defect on many of the Erie sets.>>>> Yes, there was. ALL the Erie engines ran poorly as delivered. Soon after, Lnl identified the problem, and supplied, on request, a FREE upgrade kit. I got mine, installed it, and the engines ran fine thereafter. As I recall, all it involved was removing and replacing one or two resistors for a different value..... not much more than that, if anything. Somewhere, I'm sure I kept the original paperwork, but I doubt I could ever find it. MAYBE, the factory will still have records of that upgrade. It's worth inquiring, because it does solve the Erie problem! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23406	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Erie PA problems

When my Erie PA1 broke down, the problem turned out to be the electronic reverse unit, which went bad. If you have a DC power supply, you can check to see if the motors (which are DC) are OK by attaching wires to the contacts on the motors. If they are OK then it's probably the reverse unit. This goes off on a tangent, but I bought Lionel/AF trains to operate rather than collect, and haven't hesitated to modify them. After experiencing lots of frustration when I was young, with locomotives hitting a dead spot and changing directions (even more troublesome when running multiple powered diesels), I prefer DC to AC. I removed the Erie PA's reverse unit, and rewired the engine so it ran on DC. It ran fine, so I converted my MP and UP PA1's the same way, then bought two pairs of can motor power trucks for my earlier B&O and SP PA's, which broke down relatively soon after I bought them and had not run for years, and converted them, too. Finally I repowered a Gilbert PA, for which I had no good parts to repair it. I did these conversions several years ago, and they run fine. Other people have said that they don't like the Lionel can motors, but I haven't had any trouble with them. My original condition AF locomotives are all AC (unless they were made DC), but I have converted most of my kitbashed and repainted locomotives to DC without any regrets. I converted all my S Helper Service and American Models diesels to straight DC, too. I have DPDT switches to switch between AC and DC, and Rix handheld throttles to control the DC. AC is handled by 18B and 30B transformers, which also supply the power to bridge rectifiers for conversion to DC. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23407	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: flyonel Baldwin Switcher screw hole crack

Lionel doesn't know how to design diesel shells any better than Gilbert. Postwar FM Trainmasters had a screw cracking condition very similar to the AF Baldwin. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Inscho" <ronnat@c...> wrote: > It no doubt is to be included for nostalgic purpose at no xtra charge > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@a...> > To: <Paul4Schil@a...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <WJJIM@a...> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pairing AM Baldwin Switcher > > > I wonder what they did about the screw hole crack. > > Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: WJJIM@a... > To: Paul4Schil@a... ; S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pairing AM Baldwin Switcher > > > As a point of reference, I think you will find that seldom did operating > railroads pair Baldwin with any other manufactureres units. The fact that > Baldwins were pneumatically controlled and everyone elses were > electrically > controlled, made this economically unrealistic. A seperate crew would > have > had to run the Baldwin(s) in the lash-up. This also was one more reason > for > Baldwins demise. > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23408	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: BUILT 2003 ACG

It still torques me off every time I see a new blue and yellow Flyonel box with the hijacked "A.C. Gilbert Co." name written on it. Another clever bit of trademark trickery by our friends in Michigan. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@y...> wrote: > > Hay Gang, > > Today the new catalog from the "L" people got here. I was looking at the Flyer cars, and They Did Not put the "built by Lionel" on them, they say "BUILT 2003, ACG". > > I'm sure on the bottom there will be their name, but it's not on the car side. There's a small victory for those who didn't like to see their name on the car side. > > jfred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23409	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: flyonel Baldwin Switcher screw hole crack

The screw hole problems are different in the Lionel FM's. There, it is a question of the chassis being so heavy that if you pick the loco up by the body the screw holes can crack. If it is dropped in shipping, the weight of the chassis can crack the shell too. Remember, plastics were a new magic material back then, and people didn't always have a realistic idea of what plastics could and couldn't do. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23410	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Box Colors

OK, a question, What year did did Gilbert of New Haven drop the yellow and blue box and go to red and white? jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23411	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: free track planning software

This is a neat old legacy program. I used it to help design my layout. You can test run trains on it too. It was a very early simulator of sorts. Here is an image I created with it of my track plan. http://www.tuveson.com/layoutdrawing.htm The price is right. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Yorke [mailto:s_trains@...] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:43 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] free track planning software I came across some free software for track planning. http://www.abracadata.com/0201Free.shtml It looks like fun, has a Mac & PC version. Worth every penny. -- Any one extremely happy with their commercial software? I am thinking about buying something but not sure which one to buy. I genneraly use IntellaCad (an autocad look-a-like). ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23412	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: In a Name

Hay fellows, Just as Tompson Consumer products can use "GE" or "RCA", or several other names on products, those people in Michigan have bought the rights to both the "L" name and "ACG". They own "American Flyer" now just as much as Gilbert did when he got it from Chicago. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23413	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Re: Box Colors

OK, without looking at any research material, I think it was '57. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23414	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: A.C.Gilbert Birthday Party

A.C. Gilbert's Discovery Village in Salem, OR is having a celebration in honor of his 119th birthday February 8-9, 2003. There will be a display of Gilbert memorabilia in the Parrish House from 12-4 both days put on by A.C. Gilbert Heritage Society Collectors. We participated last year with our Flyer layout and were joined by other collectors with lots of Erector sets and other Gilbert games. There are lots of other events going on at the Village--fun for the whole family, including a history chat on AC's Boyhood Antics from 2:30-3 on Saturday. Hope to see you there! More info at <A HREF="www.acgilbert.org">www.acgilbert.org</A> Discovery Village 116 Marion St NE Salem, OR 97301 503-371-3631 John and Cheri Warner Auburn, WA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23415	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Clubs/Transformers

Hi all, our club is looking to switch our current way of electrifying the rails to some good old Transformers or new. We run a mixture of new and old AC and DC, some with sound, most without. We currently have 20- 2X4 modules with a yard and 3 mainlines. Any advice will be very helpful. Thanks in advance. Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23416	From: joe messinger	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Stamp Ink & paint stripping

The best stamp ink I've found ,thus far, comes from Jerry Butler out in California. Doug Peck used to offer Jerry's ink but found that since the shelf life of the ink was, probably, less than a year, Doug doesn't cary it anymore. Jerry still sells the ink. As Jerry advises, I place a dollop of ink about the size of a BB on a clean piece of glass. I spread the ink out as thin I can with a single edge razor blade. I have discovered that if you allow the ink to dry (after it has been spread on the glass) for about 15 minutes the process of applying the ink with a rubber stamp is much more precise. When the ink is first applied to the glass it is very slippery and causes the stamp to slip or skid on the piece being stamped. After the ink dries to the point of being tacky, the stamp is much less likely to slip when pressed to the work and a crisp image is transferred. If a mistake is made the ink can be easily removed with mineral spirits without harming the paint on the work piece. The ink will dry at room temperature overnight and is very durable. I have had good results in stripping paint from -METAL- pieces by using acetone. I place the boiler or tender shell on it's side in a small bread pan and pour in enough acetone to come half way up the work piece. After only a few minutes the old paint becomes soft and can be removed with a toothbrush. Turn the piece over and repeat. From there I follow Tom Jarco's advice in preparing the piece for painting. Acetone isn't especially harmful in regards to skin contact but should be used outdoors to avoid inhaling the fumes and it is very flammable. It's not a bad idea to wear protective gloves for the stripping process. Acetone costs about $8.00 per gallon at most hardware and construction supply stores. Joe Messinger _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23417	From: waldootten	Date: 1/25/2003
Subject: Taking great layout pictures

My $0.02 -- As a part of my job, I take a lot of photos, both indoor and outdoor using both digital and flash. My guess is that some of you are getting poor quality on closeups with your flash due to "blow-out." First, don't use any digital zoom as a previous poster correctly suggested. If your camera has a "macro" setting for sharp focus on close-ups, use it. Using a digital zoom only forces you to blow up the pixels, which destroys sharpness and detail. Then, back off your distance to the subject. Most camera flashes operate off a sensing unit -- some are on the front of the camera (a little red window or circle) or inside the camera through the lens (depends on camera). I won't go into great mechanical detail because it works differently in digital vs. film cameras, but the principle here is the same. In taking a flash picture, when you press the button, the shutter opens. The flash sensor holds the exposure (holds the shutter open) and keeps the flash lit until it senses that enough light has hit the subject to get a proper exposure. This happens in a fraction of a second. (That's why people in the foreground of a two-row group snapshot are often better illuminated than those to the rear. The sensor takes its reading off the front row. Or the subjects are too far from the camera. Most flash units on non-professional cameras have a range from only 4 to 14 feet -- check your owner's manual. Cameras, like computers, are stupid, but very wonderful if told how to do things.) And if someone is very close to the camera or a subject is wearing white, it may shut down the shutter prematurely and result in an underexposed (dark) photograph. The background lightness/darkness and color will also impact your exposures. Since it costs nothing to burn digital film, do some experimenting. Or manually shut off the flash and use properly positioned room or spot lighting. Best results come with the camera locked into a tripod and either set to trip off a timer or with an extension trip. Locking into a tripod keeps the camera from moving and blurring the photo as the exposure will most likely be longer than with a flash and it is very hard to hand-hold a camera still for slow exposures. If you have Photoshop or a similar photo editing program, you can use incandescent or florescent lighting and adjust the colors with Photoshop. Incandescent (light bulb) lighting has a yellowish cast that our brain changes to white. Most florescent bulbs also add a tingle of color, usually blue. The color of the lights will also change the color of your trains -- a teeny bit. Film or digital captures what it sees, including yellow or blue light. But using Photoshop to alter the yellow or blue back to white will also (this is MAGIC) return your trains to their proper color! Or if you have to have perfectly true colors, you can spend a few bucks and buy special photography bulbs that screw into a regular lamp socket. But make sure to diffuse the lighting by bouncing it off a white posterboard to soften the shadows. If you are a scaler and want the photo to look realistic, use only one slightly diffused overhead light source positioned as "The Sun." And by playing with your camera's depth of field (if so equipped), you can really have some fun. Good luck Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23418	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: LTI ERIE wiring

> Hi all: > In line with this discussion, I have one of the early LTI (or whoever > it was) B&O diesel freight sets. The engines don't really run well - > no surprise as I have read a lot of comments about these engines on > this list. Is there a reasonable fix, or should I write to LTI and > ask to buy some replacement drive units for the diesels? (or should I > just junk them???). > Tx for suggestions. > Rance Velapoldi Doug Peck wrote: ><<<<<I remember hearing there was a wiring defect on many of the Erie >sets.>>>> > >Yes, there was. ALL the Erie engines ran poorly as delivered. >Soon after, Lnl identified the problem, and supplied, on request, a FREE >upgrade kit. >I got mine, installed it, and the engines ran fine thereafter. >As I recall, all it involved was removing and replacing one or two resistors >for a different value..... not much more than that, if anything. >Somewhere, I'm sure I kept the original paperwork, but I doubt I could ever >find it. >MAYBE, the factory will still have records of that upgrade. It's worth >inquiring, because it does solve the Erie problem! > >Doug Peck >Port Lines Hobby Supply >6 Storeybrooke Drive >Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 >Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. >Saturdays: 2-5 PM. >978-465-8798 >1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) >Website: www.portlines.com >E-mail: doug@... >VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted. > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23419	From: David	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC/ ERECTOR QUESTION

In 1947 Gilbert was forced to use Aluminum due to steel shortages. All sets were affected until 1950 when steel was more available. There were some steel boxes made with Aluminum lids, the 7 1/2 & 8 1/2 from '48 were this way. The tray in the '48 12 1/2 was Aluminum, paint didn't stick well to any of it because the parts were not primed. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: > Hi Guys, > This is not a Train question, but a Gilbert one. Anyone know > which year Gilbert built all aluminum Erector parts? I slowed down on the > buying of AF & have a nasty Erector habit now. Thank you, Mike S. > PS: Is there an Erector list also? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23420	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: LTI B&O (was ERIE) wiring

My B&O with wound motors began to run poorly several years ago. I remembered reading that armature centering was critical. I adjusted the armatures and restored the loco to good performance. Since then it mostly sits on the shelf because of AMs fine diesels. However, when I ran it within the last couple months and it still runs good. I try to run all my Flyer locos occasionally to redistribute the lubrication. This works- most of them pick up speed after a minute or 2 of operation. They need to be run in both directions, too. No science involved here- just an empirical observation. Rance and Bente Velapoldi wrote: > > > Hi all: > > In line with this discussion, I have one of the early LTI (or whoever > > it was) B&O diesel freight sets. The engines don't really run well - > > no surprise as I have read a lot of comments about these engines on > > this list. Is there a reasonable fix, or should I write to LTI and > > ask to buy some replacement drive units for the diesels? (or should I > > just junk them???). > > Tx for suggestions. > > Rance Velapoldi > > Doug Peck wrote: > > ><<<<<I remember hearing there was a wiring defect on many of the Erie > >sets.>>>> > > > >Yes, there was. ALL the Erie engines ran poorly as delivered. > >Soon after, Lnl identified the problem, and supplied, on request, a FREE > >upgrade kit. > >I got mine, installed it, and the engines ran fine thereafter. > >As I recall, all it involved was removing and replacing one or two resistors > >for a different value..... not much more than that, if anything. > >Somewhere, I'm sure I kept the original paperwork, but I doubt I could ever > >find it. > >MAYBE, the factory will still have records of that upgrade. It's worth > >inquiring, because it does solve the Erie problem! > > > >Doug Peck > >Port Lines Hobby Supply > >6 Storeybrooke Drive > >Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > >Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. > >Saturdays: 2-5 PM. > >978-465-8798 > >1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > >Website: www.portlines.com > >E-mail: doug@... > >VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23421	From: James Hannawald	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Switch Controller

Does any know the story behind the red and black marbalized switch controlle? There is one listed on e-bay. Thanks Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23422	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Train Spotting Redux & "Modern"

I guess I was not as specific as I should have been when I asked for any URL that would use roster numbers to identify engine variety. "Jeff" from the Detroit area wrote me with the URL for the Norfolk Southern roster. Unfortunately, that roster hadn't been updated since 1998, and the two NS steeds I saw yesterday on the BNSF were in the 9600 series. That series doesn't exist on the referenced roster. That URL did lead me to the NS Historical Society site, but that site is closed down and requires a user name and password for access. After all of that blathering, what I would really like to have access to is a roster for the BNSF. NS would be nice since they, for some reason, seem to show up occasionally on the BNSF rails, but BNSF is my main concern. Also, in response to that "Modern" string that has been circulating for the past week or so, I DID see two SD 60Ms lashed up with the BNSF Dash 9s. The SDs were painted up with the old BN green, white, and black. So, while they didn't just roll out of the paint shop, there are S engines available which are still on an active roster. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23423	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1739

Are you sure that those people in Michigan bought the name "A. C. Gilbert"? This is a trademark registration from the late 1990's. Without knowing the details, but knowing the entertainment industry, I would guess that the new owners took inventory of their intellectual property and started to act like they owned it. I remember seeing Gilbert on Erector sets in the early 1970's, more than 5 years after Lionel bought American Flyer. It has been awhile since I read the trademark files on-line, but it was interesting to watch this change. FYI Patent and Trademarks: http://www.uspto.gov/ I think it would really be interesting to see the purchase agreements for American Flyer, Erector and Gilbert Toys. --- Nick Colleran At 12:31 PM 1/26/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:12:35 -0800 (PST) > From: JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> >Subject: In a Name > > >Hay fellows, > >Just as Tompson Consumer products can use "GE" or "RCA", or several other >names on products, those people in Michigan have bought the rights to both >the "L" name and "ACG". They own "American Flyer" now just as much as >Gilbert did when he got it from Chicago. > >jfred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23424	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Darkening Blued Items

It has been a while since I did any blueing, but I seem to recall that repeated applications of blueing to the part will darken the color. I think that it didn't really get it to black, but it was darker than just one application. It's quick to do, so give it a try. I've only used one brand of blueing - Birchwood Casey's Perma Blue that I got at Walmart. Don't know whether there's any significant differences between brands of blueing that might result in darker color or different shades. Roger Delthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23425	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Switch Controller

I'm curious about that too. I have a beautiful red on red marbled controller for my talking Mystic Station. I think they are pretty common, but don't know the story behind them. Does anyone on the list know? Tim Brown. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Hannawald To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Switch Controller Does any know the story behind the red and black marbalized switch controlle? There is one listed on e-bay. Thanks Jim S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23426	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam

I have the "DOG" Erie set and have had no problems with it. ABA with 3 extra cars. Is there a fix for the unit? What has been done up to now. Thanks for the advice. I run spell checker Ken -----Original Message----- From: rbubeck327@... [mailto:rbubeck327@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:42 AM To: jayhoo64@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Baldwin switchers and steam In a message dated 1/22/2003 1:07:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, jayhoo64@... writes: > Yes, for a VERY short time. But if you tax that motor in such a way > for very long the motor will burn out. That's especially true for the > pre-1990 locos. > > Let's hope any wallpaper you wish to remove by such method is already > peeling away of itself. Personally, I'd rather the thing could just > pull a few cars safely for more than 15 minutes. > > Chuck F. > Chuck, there is much I do not like about the operation of Flyonel (they could stand having fly wheels among other things) , but I have found them to be very dependable and to pull long trains for extended stretches of time with no problems. The only true "dogs" that I know of are the Erie PAs. In fact, I have had more problems with one sample of a diesel from your favorite brand (to go unmentioned <grin> but now resolved) than with all of my Flyonel combined. A good Flyer buddy here in Midland has run Flyonel engines for extended periods with no failures either. Again, much could be done to improve the Lionel Flyer line, but pulling power and chronic field failures are not among them. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ + +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23427	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1738

ERIE SET: Luckily I opened my set when it came new from the factory, talk about a dog. it would run slow and no power, packed it up and back to the factory it went. The factory put a tiger in the tank (new electronics)and a metal bar in the top for weight, it has been running full out since "82". Other dealings with the LIONEL factory have been good. Beware in purchasing a used PA, B & O engine it has a double wound armature and a one of a kind reverse unit, mine runs fine. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23428	From: AF336	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1739

Without reading the contract we cannot know if they purchased it or not, but it is possible to sell the rights to any intellectual property or to license it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick and Becky Colleran" <colleran@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "JFrederick Roberts" <jfred436@...> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1739 > Are you sure that those people in Michigan bought the > name "A. C. Gilbert"? This is a trademark registration > from the late 1990's. Without knowing the details, but > knowing the entertainment industry, I would guess that > the new owners took inventory of their intellectual > property and started to act like they owned it. > > I remember seeing Gilbert on Erector sets in the early > 1970's, more than 5 years after Lionel bought American > Flyer. It has been awhile since I read the trademark > files on-line, but it was interesting to watch this change. > > FYI Patent and Trademarks: http://www.uspto.gov/ > > I think it would really be interesting to see the purchase > agreements for American Flyer, Erector and Gilbert Toys. > > --- Nick Colleran > > At 12:31 PM 1/26/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >Message: 9 > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:12:35 -0800 (PST) > > From: JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> > >Subject: In a Name > > > > > >Hay fellows, > > > >Just as Tompson Consumer products can use "GE" or "RCA", or several other > >names on products, those people in Michigan have bought the rights to both > >the "L" name and "ACG". They own "American Flyer" now just as much as > >Gilbert did when he got it from Chicago. > > > >jfred > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23429	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: early Flyonel PAs

Gerald pointed out, "Beware in purchasing a used PA, B & O engine it has a double wound armature and a one of a kind reverse unit, mine runs fine." As does the Daylight engine set too. I believe the reverse units are now unobtainium. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23430	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Marblized Switch Controller

These resulted from changing plastic colors in the molding machine. Usually the parts were discarded when purging colors from the machine, but sometimes they were used anyway--remember, these were just toys! S' David D. PS Rarity, well, somewhat, but it really depended on the machine operator and QC personnel--and probably the materials budget!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23431	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Darkening Blued Items

Blackened is more often known as Parkerizing, and some of the old car supplier have the right ingredients. At least they did some 20 years ago when I was doing a RR that the owner wanted done "exactly right" so I Parkerized all the bolts, even the ones that were going to be painted. BTW, frame bolts were slightly tapered, so as to be an interference fit into their holes, more like a bolt-rivet! Ah, English engineering! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23432	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: darkening blued items

Blueing train parts has always been sort of unpredictable for me, but sometimes heat helps. Try heating the part before or after dipping it. Don't melt the coupler, though! Hey, here's an idea: why not ask your local gun smith? Report back to us, of course. I would do it myself, except gun smiths here in NYC tend to be a little grumpy toward people who just walk in off the street. Wonder why? If you get really desperate, just strip off all the blackening and paint the truck the color you want. A mixture of black, dark blue, and rust ought to do it. Be very careful not to use gun blueing or blackener anywhere near a pregnant woman. Selenium, one of the key ingredients, is a very active teratological agent. In English, that means, it causes birth defects. Wear gloves, too. It is absorbed by the skin. Go Raiders! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23433	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: off topic note on "go Raiders" comment

Hey Tom: Don't you know that if a former AFC team wins the super bowl, the stocks are in for a bad year while if the NFC (expansion in this case) wins, stocks do better? This has been true in 29 of the last 36 years!! So, don't let your emotions rule our pocketbooks!!! Go NFC team (whoever that may be - yes, I know it's the TBB's.) The old stock market and the dollar need all the help they can get. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) jarcho@... wrote: >Blueing train parts has always been sort of unpredictable for me, but >sometimes heat helps. Try heating the part before or after dipping it. >Don't melt the coupler, though! > >Hey, here's an idea: why not ask your local gun smith? Report back to us, >of course. I would do it myself, except gun smiths here in NYC tend to be >a little grumpy toward people who just walk in off the street. Wonder why? > >If you get really desperate, just strip off all the blackening and paint >the truck the color you want. A mixture of black, dark blue, and rust >ought to do it. > >Be very careful not to use gun blueing or blackener anywhere near a >pregnant woman. Selenium, one of the key ingredients, is a very active >teratological agent. In English, that means, it causes birth defects. > >Wear gloves, too. It is absorbed by the skin. > >Go Raiders! > >Tom Jarcho > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23434	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: off topic note on "go Raiders" comment

**((( This has been true in 29 of the last 36 years!!)))*** Soooo...the plus side is,....let's see,....that for SEVEN years,....this wasn't true!! This year might be the eighth!!! I will be at chat,....after a brief visit to a Super Bowl party for snacks!! Neither team sparks my interest to watch!! And of course,..run some trains today!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23435	From: Jim C	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1739

Here is the trademark info from the US Patent and Trademark Office. The dates seem to match with Lionel's switch from the red to the blue & yellow boxes for AF. Word Mark A.C. GILBERT CO. Goods and Services IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: TOY TRAINS AND PARTS ACCESSORIES THEREFOR. FIRST USE: 20000801. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20000801 Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Serial Number 76130680 Filing Date September 19, 2000 Published for Opposition March 5, 2002 Registration Number 2573105 Registration Date May 28, 2002 Owner (REGISTRANT) Lionel L.L.C. CORPORATION NEW YORK 50625 Richard West Boulevard Chesterfield MICHIGAN 48051 Attorney of Record THOMAS E. BEJIN Prior Registrations 2194149;2194150 Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "CO." APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL Live/Dead Indicator LIVE _________________ Word Mark A.C. GILBERT CO. Goods and Services (ABANDONED) IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: toy trains and parts and accessories therefor Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Serial Number 75184255 Filing Date October 21, 1996 Filed ITU FILED AS ITU Published for Opposition June 22, 1999 Owner (APPLICANT) Lionel L.L.C. CORPORATION MICHIGAN 50625 Richard W. Boulevard Chesterfield MICHIGAN 480512493 Attorney of Record MICHAEL D FISHMAN Prior Registrations 2194149 Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "CO." APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL-2(F) Live/Dead Indicator DEAD Abandonment Date September 15, 2000 _____________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Nick and Becky Colleran [mailto:colleran@...] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 11:05 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: JFrederick Roberts Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1739 Are you sure that those people in Michigan bought the name "A. C. Gilbert"? This is a trademark registration from the late 1990's. Without knowing the details, but knowing the entertainment industry, I would guess that the new owners took inventory of their intellectual property and started to act like they owned it. I remember seeing Gilbert on Erector sets in the early 1970's, more than 5 years after Lionel bought American Flyer. It has been awhile since I read the trademark files on-line, but it was interesting to watch this change. FYI Patent and Trademarks: http://www.uspto.gov/ I think it would really be interesting to see the purchase agreements for American Flyer, Erector and Gilbert Toys. --- Nick Colleran At 12:31 PM 1/26/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:12:35 -0800 (PST) > From: JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> >Subject: In a Name > > >Hay fellows, > >Just as Tompson Consumer products can use "GE" or "RCA", or several other >names on products, those people in Michigan have bought the rights to both >the "L" name and "ACG". They own "American Flyer" now just as much as >Gilbert did when he got it from Chicago. > >jfred S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23436	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: LTI Alco's

In a message dated 01/26/2003 10:31:57 AM Mountain Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: > Gerald pointed out, "Beware in purchasing a used  PA,  B &O  engine it has > a double > wound armature and a one of a kind reverse unit, mine runs fine." > As does the Daylight engine set too. I believe the reverse units are now > unobtainium. > S' > David D. > Put a Dallee #400 E-unit in there and you have a gudrunium. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23437	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: More painting stuff

Hello all, For what it is worth, I used PLASTI-KOTE, Semi-Gloss Black, number 1895, on a beat-up Hudson that I purchased a few years ago. The original paint job was in really poor shape, and the engine was pitted. I disassembled and glass beaded the boiler, tender, etc., prior to repainting. I went through a bunch of different spray products trying to find a good match to the original Flyer black. Some of the products that I tried were too flat, some were too glossy, some were just.... I don't know!! I must have spent $30 on spray paint! My hat is off to you guys that know how to mix and apply paint from scratch. Since I do not have this skill, I was hard pressed to find a match, and I settled on the Plasti-Kote product. The stuff is actually a flexible exterior automotive bumper and trim paint. I picked up my can at the local auto parts store. The stuff went on real nice, and I think that it looks pretty good. It is actually more of a satin finish than semi-gloss in my opinion. The finish has held up very well, even with my 6 year old handling the engine constantly and giving it a smoke fluid "bath" on occasion. I did not put a sealer on the finish, but in hind sight I should have done this as the decals that I applied after paint have mostly rubbed off due to handling. Fortunately for me, the paint does not show signs of wear or decay, so the next time the engine comes apart for major service, I think that I'll reapply the decals and seal the whole thing with something. Thanks for the tips on painting folks!! See you! Curtis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23438	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Putty material for "gaps" in foam?

What do you guys suggest as carvable material used for filling "gaps" in foam used for mountains? Thanks and enjoy the game today! Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23439	From: Keith Olmanni	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: AF #588 Semaphore ?

Hi AF Fans, Friday I had the opportunity to visit a fellow AF, S gauge operator. The gentleman had a #588 Semaphore. I need one of these semaphores to complete my collection, I have been advertising for one in its' original box so I can be sure it is original. This gentleman has been collecting for years and could not remember where or when he got his. Can anyone describe the internal working parts so I can authenticate this particular semaphore and make the gentleman an offer? He did not express an interest in selling it so I believe I will have to come up with a high offer in order to convince him to sell it. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Keith Olmanni 623-877-8101

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23440	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Putty material for "gaps" in foam?

jnr59@... wrote: > What do you guys suggest as carvable material used for filling "gaps" in foam > used for mountains? Jack, This is not really an answer to your question, but it is what I do to give final form to foam mountains. I first get the foam shaped as near to the final result as I can, which I assume is where you are at the moment. Then, rather than use a "carvable" filler ( I don't even know what that would be.) I use plaster cloth (known in some art supply stores as Rigid Wrap) draped over the foam to give the final shape. Before wetting the plaster cloth, I will have cut several lengths of approximately that needed to cover an area of modest dimension. Modest because you have to work within the setting time of the plaster cloth. As I drape it over the foam, I nudge it into the shape that looks right to me. If I did not get it right the first time it is easy to just drape some more over the first attempt. When I am finished and the plaster cloth has fully set, I then brush on a slurry of spackle to get the finished coat, which I can then either paint or cover with ground foam or whatever. Bob Jackson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23441	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Plastic Ties for AF track

Anybody had any experience with this product? http://www.3r-plastics.com/index.htm Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23442	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: The Box

Ahhhh, now I see it. The red and white "Gilbert" emblem, may be property of the owners of "Erector", or at least shared with them. By resurecting the old blue and yellow, they were able to take over that as abandoned and open for the taking. And, with it "Developed at the Gilbert Hall of Science". So, yes, very clever. So, now the new cars say "Built 2003, ACG". It should say, "ACG, China" jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23443	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Moe & Joe

The new Moe and Joe, They are showen on a UP car, but it is showen on old Gilbert style trucks and couplers. Likely just a mock-up for the photo, but it will prove interesting to see how it does look when delevered. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23444	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Putty material for "gaps" in foam?

Woodland Scenics (http://www.woodlandscenics.com) makes a product called Foam Putty (item no. ST1447) that is supposed to have the same characteristics as foam. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Jackson <rwjaxon@e...> wrote: > jnr59@a... wrote: > > > What do you guys suggest as carvable material used for filling "gaps" in foam > > used for mountains? > > Jack, > This is not really an answer to your question, but it is what I do to give > final form to foam mountains. I first get the foam shaped as near to the final > result as I can, which I assume is where you are at the moment. Then, rather > than use a "carvable" filler ( I don't even know what that would be.) I use > plaster cloth (known in some art supply stores as Rigid Wrap) draped over the > foam to give the final shape. Before wetting the plaster cloth, I will have cut > several lengths of approximately that needed to cover an area of modest > dimension. Modest because you have to work within the setting time of the > plaster cloth. As I drape it over the foam, I nudge it into the shape that looks > right to me. If I did not get it right the first time it is easy to just drape > some more over the first attempt. When I am finished and the plaster cloth has > fully set, I then brush on a slurry of spackle to get the finished coat, which I > can then either paint or cover with ground foam or whatever. > Bob Jackson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23445	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Putty material for "gaps" in foam?

How about that spray foam stuff they sell for around window openings, etc? Comes in high expand and low expand. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23446	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Train Spotting Redux

Gerry, Sorry that I didn't realize the NS roster I sent you was out of date. Try this site: http://www.ole.net/~rcraig/MPR.html Note NS 9600 series units are C40-9W's. Jeff > I guess I was not as specific as I should have been when I asked for any URL that would use roster numbers to identify engine variety. "Jeff" from the Detroit area wrote me with the URL for the Norfolk Southern roster. Unfortunately, that roster hadn't been updated since 1998, and the two NS steeds I saw yesterday on the BNSF were in the 9600 series. That series doesn't exist on the referenced roster. That URL did lead me to the NS Historical Society site, but that site is closed down and requires a user name and password for access. > > After all of that blathering, what I would really like to have access to is a roster for the BNSF. NS would be nice since they, for some reason, seem to show up occasionally on the BNSF rails, but BNSF is my main concern.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23447	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] is your cup half full or half empty? or more broccoli

> >Bill & list: > >My cup is half full and I am loving it! A big thanks to you, Don & Ron and >our other manufacturers. Hello all John is the good example of a convert who not only is hooked on S, but helps me work on other prospects when he is able to visit the shows. By the way John, don't forget the show Feb 1&2---hint, hint, hint. Howard _______________________________________________________________________ Internet Access, Shared & Dedicated Web Hosting. Colocation and Domain Name Registration at http://www.lanset.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23448	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, January 26, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23449	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Putty material for "gaps" in foam?

h2466@... wrote: > This works great. If you do not have enough "gaps" to fill at once clamp off > the tube with a pair of hemostats. When your ready to fill again cut off the > tube just below the clamp. Should work just fine. Use the low expand type, > the high expand type will try to rearrange your scenery profile. This stuff > (spray foam)also makes great glue for stacking your Styrofoam. Ken Miller. How do you control its shape? I suppose if you don't really care what the end result is then it works well enough, but if you are trying to evoke a particular "natural" scene then how do you get the end result that you want? How expensive is it, for use in scenery, that is? Bob Jackson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23450	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: LTI ERIE wiring

In a message dated 1/25/03 8:20:23 PM, doug@... writes: << Yes, there was. ALL the Erie engines ran poorly as delivered. Soon after, Lnl identified the problem, and supplied, on request, a FREE upgrade kit. I got mine, installed it, and the engines ran fine thereafter. As I recall, all it involved was removing and replacing one or two resistors for a different value..... not much more than that, if anything. >> Doug is correct -- Lionel MPC supplied two new ballast resistors to make the Eries run better. This was a "fix" for much of the decade of the 1980s. You will find later 1980s PAs fitted with an aluminum foil liner inside the body shells to deal with the heat generated by the resistors. One should contact Lionel L.L.C., of course, but I suspect that they will fix the problem with the redesigned board (post repro UP Pony Express set) without the ballast resistors. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23451	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: chat

I copy and paste th URL on yahoo and it comes uo as unable to find. Are there troubles with the site tonight? Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23452	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] is your cup half full or half empty? or more broccoli

Yes John, HInt Hint Hint!!! Howard will need your help, I chickened out, because I have to work both days. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23453	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: RS-3 for sale and wanted

Hi All, I have a superdetailed S Helper Service RS-3 listed on Ebay here. Please give it a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16509&item=3110900557 &rd=1 I hesitate to ask this next question. Does anyone have an Alco Models brass RS-2/3 that could be for sale? It should be complete in running condition, without PRR antennas, and preferably unpainted. Please reply with condition and price. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23454	From: Lance McCold	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires

Tom, There are so many questions posted and finally here is one I know the answer to. I have an Atlantic, 5-digit, no light, no smoke. It came with the pulmor on the front drivers. Did not pull very well. When pulling heavy, the torque lifts the front drivers off the track and the pull disappears. I bought a set of pulmor rear drivers and now it pulls like crazy. I am pretty sure it was not the only version with this design defect. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 19 > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:15:46 -0500 > From: jarcho@... >Subject: pulmor Atlantic question > >Did Gilbert ever make any Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires? i >know they made some 283's and 287's that way, but what about Atlantics? > >Thanks. > >Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23455	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: Getting Back into AF

Try the SHS site as well. Even if you don't like steam, both SHS and AM have NYC diesels that might fit you idea. While the AF equipment has attractions, especially nostalgia, in the end you'll enjoy the possibilities the newer stuff has to ofer. Paul S. <A HREF="http://www.showcaseline.com/"> Click here: American Flyer Compatible S gauge model trains from the Showcase Line</A> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23456	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Putty material for "gaps" in foam?

Lightweight spackle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23457	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Simpsons Train

For those of your who may have some money to burn, look at the Simpsons' Train: http://us.f407.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter?MsgId=7741_29864191_3488_1196_1760_0_31440_5988_1412757013&YY=97906&inc=25&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=f&box=%40B%40Bulk Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23458	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: Check out S-'n-S Trains

<A HREF="http://www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/index.html">Click here: S-'n-S Trains</A> Here's an invitation to those of you that have not checked out our web site lately. Steve & Sam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23459	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/26/2003
Subject: RS-3 for sale

Roger, That is back when S Helper Service was truly "helping" A M, before producing their own products. It has an early SHS box. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16509&item=3110900557 &rd=1 Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23460	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Better Link for Simpsons Train

Sorry, but I understand my previous link to the Sinmpsons Train does not work for some. Try this link: http://www.collectiblestoday.com/ct/product/prdid-44116.jsp If it does not work, go directly to: http://www.collectiblestoday.com and search for the Simpsons Train. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23461	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Lionel 153IR controller

Hi all: I note that someone mentioned using a lionel 153IR controller for flashers, etc. and said that one could buy them from one of the big dealers who advertised in CTT. Do you have any suggestions on which dealers have them? I checked Charles Ro, Island trains, etc. and could not find them in thier online store. Tx for info. Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23462	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: 24328 Shell Tanks cars with KC instead of PM

Dear David: My Shell tank car is even more rare than yours! I had Amato's assemble one for me in February 1990. I provided trucks and they provided the rest. [For the benefit of the others, Amato's, Gordon's Trains, and Ron Leventon purchased the parts department after A.C. Gilbert shut down. These trains were evenly split. However, as they cleaned out the building they kept finding more caches. Vincent Amato always had a truck ready. When they called, he went. Among the things that were split were a large number of unassembled, yellow, 24328 Shell tank cars. They have been selling them assembled (with Pikemaster trucks) or as parts ever since. My source for this story is Vincent Amato himself but his health was very poor in 1989 when I was told this. Thus someone else will have to verify this.] Mine is more rare than yours. I too have knuckle coupler trucks under mine. Only I have LIONEL / American Flyer knuckle couplers under mine. (I would love to see an 'American Flyer archeologist' try and figure this one out! An A.C Gilbert car that shows no signs of ever having any trucks other than the Lionel?) I guess my survivors will get rich too. Thorin Message: 24 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 22:42:03 -0800 From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> Subject: Re: Truck thought, KC for PM Jeff, I have a few Yellow Shell cars that I assembled from parts from a "major supplier." The parts are all ACG made, and the tanks were already printed with their 5 digit number, but I put on late KC trucks using eyelets. I figure someday, after I'm gone, there will be a listing for "RARE!! KC trucked Shell cars" Only three known to exist!! " Meantime, I have some nifty looking cars to run on the layout. Maybe my survivors can make some bucks on them! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23463	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - AM GG1 Consist

New offering: American Models AC/hi-rail GG1 and 6 different matching tuscan heavyweight passenger cars - all new in their individual boxes. $600 including shipping. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23464	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Electronic reversing unit......

Just about done with gutting my CTT's of all Flyer articles,...and last night I came across a write up on a electronic reversing unit, $30.00,..made by QSI Electronics,....are these still being made? Has anyone popped one of these in a Flyer loco?? Thanks! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23465	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - GG1 Consist - Sold!

Item is sold. Thanks. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23466	From: IronHorse	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Remote control

Hi Guy"S" Did any publication ever do an article (recently) reviewing all Of the power supplies using radio signals to control the trains. I will be in the market for a wireless system soon. I need one that is not overly expensive, but reliable. I don't need special sounds so much. I am just interested in running trains on the mainline at different speeds or directions. -- Roger Hinds To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23467	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel 153IR controller

I just ordered one from Island Trains. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rance and Bente Velapoldi" <velapoldi@...> To: "S-trains yahoo" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel 153IR controller > Hi all: > I note that someone mentioned using a lionel 153IR controller for > flashers, etc. and said that one could buy them from one of the big > dealers who advertised in CTT. Do you have any suggestions on which > dealers have them? I checked Charles Ro, Island trains, etc. and could > not find them in thier online store. Tx for info. > Rance Velapoldi > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23468	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1740

Bluing: firearms blueing and parkerizing are two different processes. both requiring time and a very hot bath in chemicals. Super blue from CASEY is an instant type of blue, more on the surface, not as deep into the finish of the steel. Living in Colorado I have built a several firearms and blued some firearms, but I have no idea how GILBERT blued their products. Any one have any idea how they did it? Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23469	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/27/2003
Subject: Re: Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires

Many, if not most 307 Atlantics came with front-mounted Pull-mor tires. So equipped, they do tend to waddle sometimes. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23470	From: gino restivo	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Electronic reversing unit......

hi all , yes rick they are still being made , and i have installed them in many flyer and other trains .... i have used the acru-lps to install their sound system in flyer hudsons the acru- e is about the size of a book of matches and is very depen - able ,it can be used with dual motor diesels .... ck their website and read about their patent sue case against mth its at www.qsindustries.com have fun , gino -----Original Message----- From: Rick Evans <comic@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: S-Scale <S-Scale@egroups.com> Date: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Electronic reversing unit...... > Just about done with gutting my CTT's of all Flyer articles,...and last night I came across a write up >on a electronic reversing unit, $30.00,..made by QSI Electronics,....are these still being made? Has anyone popped one of >these in a Flyer loco?? > >Thanks! > >Rick. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23471	From: splitdorf@1bigred.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Electronic reversing unit......

This brings up a good question; how does the QSI reverse unit compare with the Dallee reverse unit? A comparison between the QSI DCRU-WS and the Dallee #400 would be interesting: http://www.qsindustries.com/products/reverse.htm http://www.dallee.com/E%20Units.htm I have used several Dallee units with S'n S can motors and am very pleased with their performance. But I have not tried a QSI unit. They appear to be about the same price and have the same functions. Not sure the size of the QSI unit, but the Dallee is 1" x 2.1" x 1" tall. Comments ???? Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23472	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: 24328 Shell Tanks cars with KC instead of PM

David & Thorin Don't spend your fortunes from the Yellow Shell Tank Cars , because Hobby Surplus aka Amatos still sells the them with PM trucks for $24.99. http://www.hobbysurplus.com/americanflyertrains.asp#Original, or just the Tank Car Shell for $9.99 http://www.hobbysurplus.com/amercianflyerdb.asp?PageNo=16. I own 4 of them 2 with KC & 2 with PM. I guess I won't be getting rich either. Al ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23473	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Laser Horizon current list

Dear list members; Dennis tried to post and failed. So I am posting for him. Contact Dennis using the address in the 'cc'. Thorin ------------------------ S scale group, Per your request, here is the current list of cars sides that are programmed and ready for production. Let me know what you need that is NOT on the list. Customer demand is how this list developed. Coming soon: L&N inspection car with theater seating. UNION PACIFIC CARS UP4069 1938 Pullman 4069 4 dbr/4 compt./2 dr UP4099 1942 Pullman 4099 6 section/6 roomts/4 br UP5400 1950 Pullman 44 seat Coach series 5400 - 5449 UP5450 1952 A.C.F. 44 seat Coach series 5450 - 5487 UP7385 1937 Pullman 48 seat Coach series 5300 - 5327 UP9004 1949 A.C.F. 12 Roomettes/4 Bedrooms WESTERN UP6009 1965 Pullman 11 Double Bedrooms SUN UP7000 1955 A.C.F Chair Dome series 7000 - 7009 UP8000 1955 A.C.F. Dome Diner series 8000 - 8009 UP-COLA Diner/Kitchen CITY OF LOS ANGELES SOUTHERN PACIFIC CARS Part No Blt Make Plan Configuration SP4069- 1938 Pullman 4069 4 dbr/4 compt./2 dr SP4071- 1938 Pullman 4071 13 double bedrooms SP4072- 1938 Pullman 4072 10 roomts / 5 bedrms SP4082- 1939 Pullman 4082 observation SP4099- 1942 Pullman 4099 6 section/6 roomts/4 br SP4122- 1948 Pullman 4122 22 roomettes SP7420- 1938 Pullman 7420 27 seat Parlor/1 dwg rm SP7421- 1938 Pullman 7421 Tavern / Lounge SP7422- 1939 Pullman 7422 44 seat Coach PENNSYLVANIA RR Part No Blt Make Plan Configuration Series 3P125- 1938 Pullman 4066 12 duplex/5 bedrms BROOK 3P18RT- 1938 Pullman 4068 18 roomettes CITY OF 3P442- 1938 Pullman 4069 4 dbr/4 compt.2 dr IMPERIAL 3P13DB- 1938 Pullman 4071 13 double bedrooms COUNTY 3P105- 1938 Pullman 4072 10 roomts/5 bedrms CASCADE 3P2BL- 1938 Pullman 4077 2 bdrm/buffet/lounge HARBOR 3P31BL- 1938 Pullman 4078 3 bdrm/1dr/bar/lnge COLONIAL 3P4081- 1938 Pullman 4081 Observation NARROWS 3P6BL- 1940 Pullman 4086 6 bdrm /buffet/lounge FALLS P3KD- 1939 Pullman 7414 kitchen / diner 4514 4P4129- 1949 Pullman 4129 10 roomts / 6 bedrms RAPIDS 4P124- 1949 Pullman 4130 12 duplex / 4 bedrms CREEK 4P6BL- 1949 Pullman 4131 6 bdrm /buffet/lounge FALLS 4P31BL- 1949 Pullman 4132 3 bdrm/1dr/bar/lnge COLONIAL 4P106- 1949 Pullman 4140 10 roomts/6 bedrms RAPIDS 4P3BL- 1948 Pullman 4141 3 bdrm/buffet/lounge HARBOR 4A442- 1948 A.C.F. 4 dbr/4 compt.2 dr IMPERIAL A4FLD- 1948 A.C.F. full length Diner 4600 thru 4608 (even) A4KD- 1948 A.C.F. kitchen/dormitory 4601 thru 4609 (odd) P70GSR 1942 PRR 68 seat coach 4194 thru 4243 P70KR 1940 PRR 56 seat coach 4269 (etc.) D70ASR 1940 PRR rebuild Diner/Kitchen 4439 & 4457 D70CR 1943 PRR rebuild Diner 68 seats 4682 - 4698 (even) D70DR 1943 PRR rebuild Kitchen/Dormitory 4685, 4687, 4695, 4697 D70ER 1943 PRR rebuild Kitchen/Lunch counter 4681, 4683, 4689, 4691, 4693 D78D 1951 PRR rebuild Diner/Lounge/Kitchen/Pantry POC70R 1943 PRR rebuild Observation 1121 & 1131 PDB70R 1943 PRR rebuild Lounge/Dorm/Bagg series 6702 NYC PASSENGER CAR SIDES Part No Blt Make Plan Configuration Series NY4068- 1939 Pullman 4068 18 roomettes CITY OF NY4069- 1938 Pullman 4069 4 dbr/4 compt.2 dr IMPERIAL NY4069B-1938 Pullman 4069B 4 dbr/4 compt.2 dr BRIDGE NY4071- 1939 Pullman 4071 13 double bedrooms COUNTY NY4072- 1938 Pullman 4072 10 roomts/5 bedrms CASCADE NY4076- 1938 Pullman 4076 Club/Lounge/Dorm. CENTURY NY4079- 1938 Pullman 4079 Observation ISLAND NY4079A 1946 Pullman 4079 re-build Observation ISLAND NY4082- 1939 Pullman 4082 Observation RIVER NY4086- 1939 Pullman 4086 6 bdrm/buffet/lounge FALLS NY4122- 1948 Pullman 4122 22 roomettes BAY NY4123- 1948 Pullman 4123 10 roomettes/6 bedrms RIVER NY4124- 1948 Pullman 4124 6 bdrm/buffet/lounge LAKE NY4125- 1949 Pullman 4125 12 double bedrooms PORT NY4126- 1948 Pullman 4126 Observation CREEK NY7405- 1938 Pullman 7405 Diner/Kitchen 680 - 685 NY7406- 1938 Pullman 7406 Baggage/Mail 5017 - 5020 NY7464- 1941 Pullman 7464 Coach, 56 seats 2600 - 2644 NY7543- 1948 Pullman 7543 Baggage/Dorm. 8961 - 8969 NY7544- 1948 Pullman 7544 Diner (full length) 400 - 403 NY7545- 1948 Pullman 7545 Kitchen/Lounge 476 & 477 NY7546- 1948 Pullman 7546 Kitchen/Dormitory 474 & 475 NY7547- 1948 Pullman 7547 Diner/Kitchen 440 - 446 NY7548- 1948 Pullman 7548 Club/Lounge SHORE NY2910- 1947 A.C.F. Baggage 9100 - 9199 NY2958- 1947 A.C.F. Baggage/30ft. Mail 5014 & 5015 NY2959- 1947 A.C.F. Baggage/60ft. Mail 4907 - 4910 NY2960- 1947 A.C.F. Baggage/48 seat Coach 344 & 345 PULLMAN PASSENGER CAR SIDES Part No Blt Plan Configuration Railroads 4068- 1938 4068 18 roomettes NKP, IC, CN, NYC, PRR, NdeM 4069- 1938 4069 4 dbr/4 compt.2 dr CNW, IC, CN, SP, UP, CRIP, NYC, PRR 4071- 1938 4071 13 double bedrooms SP, NYC, PRR 4072- 1938 4072 10 roomts / 5 bedrms ATSF, B&O, CP, SP, NYC, PRR 4099- 1942 4099 6 section/6 roomts/4 br ATSF, CNW, CRIP, ERIE, IC, MP, SP, UP 4122- 1948 4122 22 roomettes IC, SP, CN, NYC 4140- 1949 4140 10 roomts/6 bedrms L&N, RF&P, N&W, PRR NORFOLK & WESTERN "POWHATAN ARROW" NW533 1949 58 seat Coach car number 533 NW511 1949 Compartment Coach car number 511 NW502 1949 Crew / Compartment Coach car # 502 NW494 1949 Diner car number 494 NW581 1949 Observation car number 581 ERIE CARS ER622 1951 rebuild Dormitory /30ft Mail 622 - 626 ER627 1950 A.C.F. Baggage /30ft Mail 627 - 629 ER4186 1954 Pullman 10 roomettes / 5 Bedrooms SPIRIT OF YOUNGSTOWN ER4099- 1942 Pullman 6 sections/6 roomettes/4 bedrooms AMERICAN series ER4129A 1949 Pullman 10 roomettes / 6 bedrooms Erie presidents: MARVIN KENT, etc. LACKAWANNA CARS DL&W301 1949 A.C.F. 62 seat Coach series 301 - 315 DL&W9008 1949 A.C.F. 10 Roomettes / 6 Bedrooms TIOUGHNIOGA, etc. DELAWARE & HUDSON cars D&H31 Coach 62 seats series 31 - 34 D&H41 Diner / Lounge series 41 & 42 D&H51 Baggage car series 51 - 53 D&H201 Coach 76 seats series 201 - 206 ACF lot 1874 blt 1939 D&H202 Coach 76 seats series 202, 204 - 206 rebuilt by Hoover Industries BALTIMORE & OHIO cars B&O4167 1950 Pullman 10 roomettes / 6 bedrooms B&O7552 1949 Pullman Diner / Kitchen CANADIAN NATIONAL cars CN-CL-7 1954 Club car, blt 1954 series 581 - 585 CN-M-22 1954 Diner / Kitchen series 1337 - 1350 Thanks for you interest, Dennis Sautters Laser Horizons [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23474	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

For those of you old enough (smile) to have purchased original AF equipment when it was new, at what types of stores did you shop? My Dad is surprisingly foggy on this but it appears that as a youth in Pittsburgh in the early 1950s, he bought most of his at an electrical supply store. Also, I understand the now defunct Hudson's department store in Downtown Detroit would have a huge AF layout set up at the holidays. I guess this made many a youngster drool! Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23475	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: 24328 Shell Tanks cars with KC instead of PM

GAds, I wish y'all would stop doing so much market research, my retirement fund is shrinking--well actually, my wife's "life insurance" on me! I had avoided "letting the cat out of the bag" on this. Although MY cars have the ACG "Shell" decal, which, I believe, is now unobtainium, unless said "major supplier" found some more (which is possible). So there!! ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23476	From: beechcricker	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires

Does the AF 303 also tend to have this "waddle" condition? Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@y...>" <jayhoo64@y...> wrote: > Many, if not most 307 Atlantics came with front-mounted Pull-mor > tires. So equipped, they do tend to waddle sometimes. > > Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23477	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

Yes, back in the 1950's it was a local hardware store that sold Flyer. I remember going there with my dad. I recall the department stores carrying Lionel but not Flyer. Dan B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <BeechCrRR@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment? > For those of you old enough (smile) to have purchased original AF > equipment when it was new, at what types of stores did you shop? > > My Dad is surprisingly foggy on this but it appears that as a youth > in Pittsburgh in the early 1950s, he bought most of his at an > electrical supply store. > > Also, I understand the now defunct Hudson's department store in > Downtown Detroit would have a huge AF layout set up at the holidays. > I guess this made many a youngster drool! > > Jeff > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23478	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Shazaam!

For all you would-be Sgt. Carters or Gomers out there, just yesterday I saw an ad for a Quonset hut in 1:64. Looks as if you'd have to add doors and windows (They did have windows, didn't they?) to make up a credible boot camp. And, they might be a bit pricey at $25 a pop plus $7.50 s&h. Anyway, the site is www.dakotahtoys.com. Item #25-288. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23479	From: aag_rlg	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

Hi: I found out last year at a train display that I do for our local museum at Christmas that my trains were likely purchased from the local hardware store, which had only American Flyer. I knew that the owner of the store and my father had been friends. When the owners son showed up at the layout display and said that his father had sold American Flyer trains at Christmas, I finally realized that the hardware store is likely where my father bought my trains in 1959. I also found out that because his father sold American Flyer, the son still has some American Flyer trains from the 1930's. Thanks, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23480	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

I bought 2 310 Pacific sets in 1946. One at a furniture store and the other at an auto supply store, both at Christmas time. In between Christmas seasons the only way I knew to buy was to order from ACG in New Haven, which I did for a 633 B&O boxcar, extra trucks, and some switches. I don't think there was any store that stocked new electric trains "off season" in my home town of Elmira NY. The next Flyer stuff I had "new" (store-bought) was (probably) a demo 375 & passenger cars from a hardware store in Shawnee Okla. quite a few years later, after I was married and had a family started. Also into the sixties you could find Flyer sets steeply discounted in discount stores, of which I bought a couple. Then the fun was finding it advertised in want ads near Christmas or at garage sales for about the next 20 years. I no longer collect Flyer in general. Prices of anything I don't have by now have outstripped my retirement income. I have "too many" AM and SHS engines and cars now and a modestly large (8'x25') layout. "beechcricker " wrote: > > For those of you old enough (smile) to have purchased original AF > equipment when it was new, at what types of stores did you shop? > > My Dad is surprisingly foggy on this but it appears that as a youth > in Pittsburgh in the early 1950s, he bought most of his at an > electrical supply store. > > Also, I understand the now defunct Hudson's department store in > Downtown Detroit would have a huge AF layout set up at the holidays. > I guess this made many a youngster drool! > > Jeff > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23481	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Laser Horizon current list

Dear Jack: I have forwarded you question to Dennis. I just want to remind you the Laser Horizon products are sides, not bodies. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: JNR59@... [mailto:JNR59@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:09 AM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Laser Horizon current list Thorin, Do all of these bodies fit on the 80' AM cars or do they vary in length? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23482	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Winross 1/64 Bonton trucks bargain

At the Eastview Mall Bon ton store, in the Rochester NY area, I bought a Winross modern semi painted for Bon ton for under $20 on Sunday. They were on sale at the customer service counter. Originally marked at $60(yeah, sure), then marked down to $40, finally $20 with an additional 10% off. At that price, $18 plus tax, I had to have one. There were at least a down left after I bought mine. -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23483	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Winross 1/64 Bonton trucks bargain corrected

Corrected quantity left below: Chuck Smith wrote: > > At the Eastview Mall Bon ton store, in the Rochester NY area, I bought a > Winross modern semi painted for Bon ton for under $20 on Sunday. They > were on sale at the customer service counter. Originally marked at > $60(yeah, sure), then marked down to $40, finally $20 with an additional > 10% off. At that price, $18 plus tax, I had to have one. There were at > least a DOZEN left after I bought mine. > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23484	From: louis glumac	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires

i have a 21085 that waddles,,,,,i could never figure out why, could this be the problem? ----- Original Message ----- From: <BeechCrRR@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires > Does the AF 303 also tend to have this "waddle" condition? > > Jeff > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@y...>" > <jayhoo64@y...> wrote: > > Many, if not most 307 Atlantics came with front-mounted Pull-mor > > tires. So equipped, they do tend to waddle sometimes. > > > > Chuck F. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23485	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

Hi, To my recollection, we bought Flyer trains in Sears, Murphy's and local mom & pop hardware stores. Remember hardware stores? I would imagine that both Kaufmanns and Horns would have carried them. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: beechcricker <BeechCrRR@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment? For those of you old enough (smile) to have purchased original AF equipment when it was new, at what types of stores did you shop? My Dad is surprisingly foggy on this but it appears that as a youth in Pittsburgh in the early 1950s, he bought most of his at an electrical supply store. Also, I understand the now defunct Hudson's department store in Downtown Detroit would have a huge AF layout set up at the holidays. I guess this made many a youngster drool! Jeff S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23486	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

While I do not remember where my first Lionel came from in 45...I do remember my 48 AF set...A 302 with pass cars came from Woodrums furniture store...My 50 342 set came from Western Auto store on summers street...My Coal loader I got at National furniture on sale...some of my cars came from Jacks place auto parts...I used to run from school down to the Diamond department store to see their large layout and display...Woodrums, Diamond, Coyle and Richardson also had layouts...Oh the DREAMS I had about what I wanted...This was all in Charleston, WV......Which reminds me of a story.....I knew A policeman there in Charleston would had a girlfriend that worked at Jacks Place...She was always giving him trains....He had just about everything AF made in 1950 to 53...All the sets, accessories, etc....Back in 1983 or 84...While visiting Charleston I called him up....I asked him if he still had his trains as I was collecting and still had mine....He told me of A sad story...He had been approached by A member of another city service and asked him about trains he had heard he had....The man told him he wanted them for his kids and he couldn't afford very much...leonard feeling sorry for him sold him the whole pile for 300.00...A few weeks later he ran into one of the boys and asked him if they were enjoying the trains....The boy replied "what trains? We don't have any, but my dad did buy some a few weeks ago and quickley resold them for over 6000.00!" Man was he mad....he told me then that if he knew I still had my trains he would have given the whole pile to me.....about a week later I ran into someone I knew in the area who delt in trains...he was with another man...when I related they story and how mad leonard was.....he said...let me introduce you to mr. ?.....hes the fireman....!!!! All of the years collecting I have always tried to follow fair dealings.....This wa outright stealing....Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23487	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: where my AF was bought

Hi All, I grew up in a small town Called Arlington Heights in Ohio. It baordered 2 cities. Well 3 actually. Cincinnati, Lockland and Reading. There was a Firestone Store in Lockland that sold tires, TV's, and Lionel and American Flyer Trains. I vaguely remember going into the store and seeing More blue and yellow boxes on the shelves than the orange and blue. They also had a 2 rail layout with 2 trains running on them. Under the shelves with the trains were the TV's all lined up and turned onto the same channel. I just thought that was so cool. That is where mom and dad bought our first color TV. Oh my, I think I'm geeting old. Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23488	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Train Shows

Hi All, Will be in Columbus, Ohio this weekend for train show and Dayton, Ohio on the the 15 and 16 of Feb. Also will be in Knoxville on March 29 and 30th. Lookout Lance, we are going to turn the town upside down. Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23489	From: David	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

Long before my time, AF was off the shelves for the most part by the time I was at an age to buy. However, the set I grew up with was putchased by mom at Jones Hardware in Shamokin, PA. It was soon after destroyed in a flood, and she went back and got the same set again two years later. This was the same store grandma had purchsed the L 1835E standard guage set for her son, my moms brother, back in 1934. The rest is history.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23490	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Good Wood

> I will also "pick the pile" of any lumber that I buy to > get the quality that I need. If the store doesn't like it I go somewhere else. >>>You have to in order to get the wood you need. Try going to a "real" lumber yard. They frequently have much better wood than the chains. Narrow wood tends to be snaky, it may be cut from poorer raw stock. Buy wide pieces, which frequently appear to be better quality, have the lumber yard rip them lengthwise to your desired width. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23491	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Where I purchased my firstAmerican Flyer

Back in my youth (1960'), there was a Hobby Shop in Sunnyside, Queens, New York call Harry's or Sunnyside Hobbies right next to the Center Theater. He was a American Flyer Dealer and was going out of business (it happened in the 60's to) and was selling out cheap. I purchased the Authorized lighted sign and a couple and cars. I still have the cars but sold the sign years ago (sorry about that) but got a good price on it. This started me in trains, both S & O gauge.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23492	From: rrik2	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: tender

need a tender for a 322 NYC engine with a 4- prong hookup. anyone know where I might go to get one?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23493	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: (Possible) New S Club

Hi, There is a movement on to start or re-start the Central Pennsylvania S gaugers Club. Possibly changing the name to The Central Pennsylvania S Scalers. All Scale, Hi-Rail or American Flyer modelers-collectors in S Gauge will be welcomed. Or just maybe, you would want to join this group and start modeling in S Gauge? If you are interested in this group and/or you know of others who would be interested please contact.... NASG President Roy Hoffman rhoffman@... NASG ExVP John Foley foley164@... Thank You, Bill Fraley Also, if we want to go in that direction, I think we can get space for a modular S layout at the Cumberland Valley Model Railroad Club in Chambersburg, PA. Roy Hoffman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23494	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Dallee vs. QSI reverse units...

***(((I have used several Dallee units with S'n S can motors and am very pleased with their performance. But I have not tried a QSI unit. They appear to be about the same price and have the same functions. Not sure the size of the QSI unit, but the Dallee is 1" x 2.1" x 1" tall.)))*** A very good point that Steve Blackburn brought to my attention is,...the QSI works only with Flyer motors,....the Dallee units will work with can motors. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23495	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Dallee vs. QSI reverse units...

Rick, According to the descriptions on the QSI web site, they make both Flyer and can motor versions of the reverse unit. Check out the descriptions on their web site. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <comic@d...> wrote: > ***(((I have used several Dallee units with S'n S can motors and am very pleased with their performance. But I have not tried a QSI unit. They appear to be about the same price and have the same functions. Not sure the size of the QSI unit, but the Dallee is 1" x 2.1" x 1" tall.)))*** > > > A very good point that Steve Blackburn brought to my attention is,...the QSI works only with > Flyer motors,....the Dallee units will work with can motors. > > > Rick. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23496	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

I got my first set in 1961 from "Al's Camera Shop" on Allerton Avenue in the Bronx. Al's sold very few cameras, I remember it having AF trains, Plasticville, other toys, stationary, and greeting cards! I bought a few other items there. I also went around the corner to "Honig's Parkway" on White Plains Rd. They were a discount appliance store.-Roy Roy E. Plotnick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23497	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: test

just a test. My computer is acting weird. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23498	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

Hi: Got my first AF 312 set with log loader for Christmas, 1948 from Goodrich Auto Store in Portchester, NY, just on the CT border near Byram and Greenwich, CT. It did not have the girder car as listed for the 4619A set, but rather came with a boxcar (B&O) (+ additional gulf oil tank car, mail pickup car, manoil coupe unloading car - although this was supposed to have come out in 1949, etc.) so it was a "store modification" with additions. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) beechcricker wrote: >For those of you old enough (smile) to have purchased original AF >equipment when it was new, at what types of stores did you shop? > >My Dad is surprisingly foggy on this but it appears that as a youth >in Pittsburgh in the early 1950s, he bought most of his at an >electrical supply store. > >Also, I understand the now defunct Hudson's department store in >Downtown Detroit would have a huge AF layout set up at the holidays. >I guess this made many a youngster drool! > >Jeff > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23499	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Dallee vs. QSI reverse units...

***(((According to the descriptions on the QSI web site, they make both Flyer and can motor versions of the reverse unit. Check out the descriptions on their web site.)))*** OOps!! Yer right Steve,...After re-reading the other Steve's post to me,...he does say that QSI makes a AC/DC version... Gads,...and I've been working on my seven year old's reading comprehension!!!!! "This is so easy a seven year old can do it! Quick,...find me a seven year old!!!" Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23500	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Dallee vs. QSI reverse units...

"This is so easy a seven year old can do it! Quick,...find me a seven year old!!!" Rick. You & Michael Jackson. Just kidding. Couldn't pass that one up. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Dallee vs. QSI reverse units... ***(((According to the descriptions on the QSI web site, they make both Flyer and can motor versions of the reverse unit. Check out the descriptions on their web site.)))*** OOps!! Yer right Steve,...After re-reading the other Steve's post to me,...he does say that QSI makes a AC/DC version... Gads,...and I've been working on my seven year old's reading comprehension!!!!! "This is so easy a seven year old can do it! Quick,...find me a seven year old!!!" Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23501	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: where my AF was bought

Hi, I can easily remember when we bought our very first B&W TV. A lot of times, there was nothing on except for a test pattern. There wasn't any "daytime" programming in the afternoon in the EARLY days of TV - who could watch TV in the afternoon? Oops. This is off-topic. Okay. We played with our American Flyer trains in the afternoon - because there wasn't anything on TV except the test pattern. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Cbtrainnut1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] where my AF was bought Hi All, I grew up in a small town Called Arlington Heights in Ohio. It baordered 2 cities. Well 3 actually. Cincinnati, Lockland and Reading. There was a Firestone Store in Lockland that sold tires, TV's, and Lionel and American Flyer Trains. I vaguely remember going into the store and seeing More blue and yellow boxes on the shelves than the orange and blue. They also had a 2 rail layout with 2 trains running on them. Under the shelves with the trains were the TV's all lined up and turned onto the same channel. I just thought that was so cool. That is where mom and dad bought our first color TV. Oh my, I think I'm geeting old. Chris The Trainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23502	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

Got my first set when I was 6 months old in 1950 for Christmas. It was purchased from Orange Blossom Hobbies in Miami, Fl. All of my trains and accessories were subsequently bought there. They all were Christmas surprises, and my parents never took me there (at least I don't remember it). Orange Blossom just closed up last year. I remember my dad buying a Docksider around 1960 from Grand-Way which was a discount store like K-mart. Grand-Way was a part of Grand Union food store chain. When I got the Docksider, I thought it was a piece of junk because it was plastic, it had no light, it didn't go in reverse, and it didn't smoke. I was spoiled by my original 322. But I loved to race that Docksider around the tracks seeing just how fast I could go with it falling over on the curves. Boy it could fly. Still does. Dennis Miami __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23503	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: tender

In a message dated 01/28/2003 11:23:12 AM Mountain Standard Time, rrik2@... writes: > need a tender for a 322 NYC engine with a 4- prong hookup. > anyone know where I might go to get one? > You might try praying or Sticking up a train show somewhere. If you do, I'll take two myself.... "S"teve in Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23504	From: theodore weiler	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

My first sets were purchased at Gertz Department stores in New York City for Christmas. They were usually special uncatalogued sets such as the Chicago Northwestern pacific and aluminum passenger cars with link couplers. When buying extras with my meager allowance, I went to Nassau Hobby Center in Freeport, NY where I got a Northern used for $25.00. Still have both! Ted Weiler Corinth, TX

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23505	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: where did you buy....

As a kid in NYC, my Grandpa bought most everything from the Gilbert Hall of Science or Savoy Merchandise. First set 1951 Silver Streak set. Still have it and runs great. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23506	From: downtowndeco	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Nice built up structure for sale.

I'm selling off the pilot model for our S Scale Ace Auto Parts kit. It's a nice brick structure with signs. $75.00 PP. Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco downtowndeco@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23507	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Laser Horizon current list

Thank you for the information. Could you please explain a bit more about the sides. I recall seeing something in S Gaugian about them. Is there a website/other place where we could obtain more information? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23508	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Erector/Gilbert layout

Hi group, If you haven't already seen it, please check out the wonderful job Tim has done combining old Erector parts with vintage Gilbert. Link herewith: http://home.att.net/~timboy/home.html Roy Inman ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23509	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

Dad bought my 372 set and 484-486 set at a local hardware store in Babylon NY. The 372 was a Christmas present in 1956. Then 2 months later, for my 12th birthday he took me down there and we picked up SF blue and yellow freight set. I was in heaven. Dad was too, I think. Mom, well, she said I was spoiled, but she liked the trains. That's when we started the layout in the basement. Those were my 3rd and 4th sets. The first sets I received were a 312 set in 1950 and a Royal Blue the next year. I think those were the right years, best to my memory, I was only 5 years old. Those sets weren't purchased though, Santa Claus brought them. <G> Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23510	From: rkuepper	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Permascene

In Basic Scenery for MRRs, Lou Sassi talks about "ground goop" made from Celluclay and Permascene. It appears that Celluclay is just paper mache, but I can't find Permascene on the web. Does anyone know its makeup? Thanks. Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23511	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23512	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2003
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23513	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: AF stores

<<<<> For those of you old enough (smile) to have purchased original AF > equipment when it was new, at what types of stores did you shop? >>>> Growing up in CT, I can recall seeing AF layouts and buying AF products at G Fox & Co. in Hartford (NO.....I never did get one of those boxcars or billboard whistles there!!!!!), and also right next door at another equally large dept. store called Brown-Thompson. I also recall walking a few blocks away to a small hole-in-the-wall hobby shop. I assume they also carried AF, since I really had no other hobby interests at the time that would have drawn me there. Hartford was 30-40 miles away from my home, but I don't recall ever shopping for AF elsewhere. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23514	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: QSI vs Dallee

<<<...the QSI works only with Flyer motors,....the Dallee units will work with can motors. >>> I don't believe this is correct. QSI makes both an AC and a DC unit, but you cannot interchange them. So a QSI unit which works with an AF motor will NOT work with a DC can motor, but a different QSI unit will. Dallee, on the other hand, will work with either. Their reverse unit is both AC and DC compatible. The Dallee unit is also considerably smaller. The QSI is a tighter fit in the tender, and I doubt if will fit in a boiler-installation. Dallee will. Finally, I consider the Dallee unit to be an easier hookup. That's why we have switched to stocking Dallee units rather than QSI henceforth. If anyone REALLY wants a QSI unit, I may still have 2-3 of them in stock, and will offer them at a 20% discount, while they last. Inquire. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23515	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

Well, by the time I was buying AF, it was mostly found in back corners and top shelves of various stores. My Sawmill came from Trains, Nothing But Trains in Redwood City, CA--at the same time I bought a $12 used passenger train set, 3 Chestnuts, 1 Green, and an aluminum combo car. Not mint, but respectable enough! Later I bought an "L" mail pickup stand with bag and magnet, and taped the magnet to the window opening on the Aluminum combo car. This was purchased at the "Big Liquors" store in (downtown) Dunsmuir. I remember Fine Day Dicker's Sprouse Ritz store having Marx and three-rail track in their toy section (always disappointing, I was looking for Flyer!). When the L & L Hardware store in Dunsmuir changed hands, I received some brand new AF that had been lost in the storeroom all those years (this was in 1977). My Heavyweight Daylight train is still on display there, it's now the Dunsmuir Hardware store. My friend Larry still has his UP GP set, bought at the Dunsmuir Western Auto. One of my Dunsmuir-childhood-purchased used sets (around 1969) was originally purchased mail-order, as the set box was used as the shipping box. I just wish I'd been more affluent, and in a large population center back when everyone was "dumping" those "old, passe" train sets! I bought as much as I could find, as I knew in 1967, when the AF line was dropped (blank pages only!) from the hardware store wholesale catalog, that *someday* they'd be collectable, and too expensive! (I was in 8th grade then). I think Mike Wright and I pretty well cleaned out any available AF in Dunsmuir, and both still play with them! Mike had an advantage on me, though, he was already in college! As for TVs, I remember my folks trying out different TVs, and finally buying a Zenith. TV came to our house because the "cable" company ran their line through the resort, and gave my folks free hook-up for the privilege. We could get 3, count 'em, 3! channels! And not too snowy either! And lots of test patterns! KHSL would put theirs up around 2PM, and start broadcasting about 4 or 4:30. One of the first shows was a Country-western thing--I can't remember the guy's name, but he was still on just a year or two ago--Followed by "The Genie Posey Show" sort of a Martha Stewart type show. Finally followed by "Don's Cartoon Club!" Alright!! Don would sit at an easel and draw cartoons out of numbers or names that kids would send in, and in-between show cartoons. He had a puppet side-kick, a squirrel who would "sing" once in a while (a 45 RPM record played at 78--real fancy special effects back then). Then the News would come on.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23516	From: aglorince	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: post inventory magazine clearance

i have literlly a ton of back issue over stock to sell. mainline modeler (Hundman)apr 90 thru dec 2001. modeling tips and articles. ctc board (hundman) jun 94 thru dec 2001. protype news and articles. 3/16 "S"cale railroading may 1990 thru july 92 bimonthly. tips and articles for s scale modelers. RailModel Journal dec 1990 thru dec 2001. modeling tips and articles. S Gaugian (Heinburger) may 88 thru sep 2001 bimonthly. geared more toward s gauge collector. sn3 modeler (heinberger) winter 1987 thru winter 2001 twice a year. for s scale narrow gauge modelers. s/sn3 modelers guide (BTS)apr 1994 thru march 1999 bi monthly . modeling tips and articles for s scale modelers. all magazines are in new condition. my asking prices are 80% of cover i cover shipping. contact direct andy lorince alorince@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23517	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: QSI & AF steamers

I was once asked to put a QSI unit in an AF steamer, instead of repairing the reverse unit (the on-motor early one). Well, their unit uses one field connection as the common, or chassis connection, as does Big L. ACG, however, uses a brush, usually the right side one, for the common on the engine that have a "hot" chassis (346, and 5 digit locos mostly). Not being able to contact them, and having a reverse unit that looked brand-new, I fixed the reverse unit instead! So, these postings got me wondering, and I finally was home during "normal working hours," so I called them. AH HA!! the guy on the phone knew the problem, seemed suprised that I could follow the necessary changes, but was willing to tell them to me. So the secret is out, remember, the following is High Security! Connect the Green wire to the isolated brush, The Brown to the chassis-connected brush, and it's common tender truck; the Orange to the other tender truck. The Yellow and Blue go to the field. If the engine goes in reverse instead of forwar first, reverse the field leads. I haven't tried it yet, but he says it works! Hmm, just looked at my unit, no colors! From reading the manual a few times, I've come up with the following: M2= Yellow, ACG=Green, Fld=Brown, M1=Blue, AC=Orange. I hope this works! S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23518	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Memories

The talk of the first train, etc......I can close my eyes and still see the Display window at the Diamond Dept store there in Charleston, WV.......The sun has set...its cold....snow is falling....ice and snow are on the sidewalk....hardly no one is around...But still the Brightly lit window, on the corner of the store, the store closed at 6:00, full of the balls, dolls, models, cotton, erector sets, trucks, cars, games, etc.....and on the window is a spot where, if you touch it, the AF train starts to run around thru the TOYLAND......Ah...to be 12 again......Thanks for the Memories.....And also to roll back a few more years...We were the first family to get A TV on the west side of town in our neighbourhood.....we would pull back the curtains in the Living Room so people could stand outside our window in the front yard to watch....I think there was only one channel and was on for about 4 or 5 hours 5 to 11....rest was the TEST pattern....Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23519	From: Edward G.	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: TV Test Pattern Blues

Whats really Funny is Now you MEMORY Whiners have Sat or Cable and you have over 200 channels and complain theres nothing to watch ....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23520	From: jayhoo64	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: Re: Atlantics with pul-mor on the FRONT tires

Jeff asked: >Does the AF 303 also tend to have this "waddle" condition? Not the ones I own (or have seen) which came with rear mounted Pull- Mor drivers. As far as I can tell, the waddling is caused by Pull-Mor tires on front drivers because the front drivers are driven by the connecting rods, and since neither the rod bearings nor axle bearings are real tight on these engines, the front drivers can wobble with the torque. The short driver base of the Atlantic can make it all worse. All that assumes that the drivers are mounted straight to begin with. Crooked drivers can cause waddling too. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23521	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 1/28/2003
Subject: First trains

I grew up (the early years!) on the Santa Fe mainline in Holbrook AZ (NE corner of the state). In the couple of months leading up to Christmas, two AF train setups appeared in Mr. Howell's electrical supply store. I really, REALLY wanted one, especially the larger set with two switches and a coaling tower. My wife framed a letter to Santa that my Mom saved from that year, asking only for a train with maybe even six switches!! However, it was the smaller of the two sets showed up (with a 312 loco) under the Christmas tree. I was still thrilled, and the smell of the smoke and the image of the train coming at me from under the Grandmother's grand piano is as firmly imprinted in my memory as those big steam hogs roaring through town with as many as 100 cars, rattling our windows as they went!! BTW, I even have a couple of pictures we took of GM's streamlined vista-domed Train of Tomorrow when it made a brief stop in Holbrook. Those were great days!! Jim Armstrong

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23522	From: Bradley	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: AF and TV

I grew up in east Denver and can remember buying American Flyer at the May D&F, Denver Dry Goods, Montgomery Wards on South Broadway, Downtown Hobbies, Caboose Hobbies and a really neat toy store in the Cherry Creek shopping center called Andersons Toyland. As I recall the whole basement was trains and slotcars and on the roof was a small amusement park with several rides. All the kids that grew up on the east side of town went there. For Christmas in 1965 my brother and I got a Flyer All Aboard Train Set and an Aurora Slot Car set and my parents also bought a new Zenith color TV. Now Lawrence Welk was in color on Saturday Night. Life was good.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23523	From: IronHorse	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

I bought Mine (back in the sixties) At the Brockton Hobby shop in Brockton MA. The Shop was on Elm St. Other then that the rest of them I got second hand at other hobby shops and private sales.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23524	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

I am surprised that none of you mentioned Bud Sattler's basement in Westmont, New Jersey. From the late 1940s to 1954, Uncle Bud sold American Flyer trains out of his home basement where I bought my first set in 1952 when I gave up on L for scale trains. In 1954 the Sattler's Trains and Hobbies opened a store in Westmont. All of my American Flyer came from Uncle Bud until I went to college in 1959. Aunt Eleanor Sattler still gave or sold me used American Flyer until she sold the store in 1998. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn NASG secretary (til July).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23525	From: firex43	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: AFCC "The Collector" Magazine

Wanted to buy the following issues of "The Collector", Vol.4 No.1& 2; Vol.5 No.1; Vol.6 No.4; Vol.7 No.1& 4; Vol.9 No.1,2& 4. Thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23526	From: jackotrains	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Where did I buy American Flyer Trains

In New York City on 34th Street across from Macy's in the 60's & 70's, there was a street level tunnel that ran from 34th Street to 33rd Street with stores lining this tunnel with stores. There was a store that sold AF but I don't remember the name and he sold them a a discount. Anyone remember this store.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23527	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

I believe that my first train set, the 302 Atlantic (smoke in boiler w/choochoo) with B&O box, log carrying flat car and illuminated caboose came from Macy's in 1949 or 50. This is the legend anyway. My second set was a Super Chief in 1956 with 470/471/473 and 4 cars (no plain coach, all first class!) My mother bought it in Hoenig's in the Bronx. I still have the catalog that was included. It has a yellow Hoenig's sticker on the cover. Mom hiked up there on the subway and lugged that sizeable box back home to Brooklyn. Why? Price baby! Mom went through my catalogs then compared with the newspaper ads and found the deal! My wife, on the other hand, simply called Ron Bashista and ordered a complete Superliner, with all the extra cars and a second powered diesel and had it delivered UPS to her job. No discount, no hike. Either way, the women in my life have treated me to some exceptional trains. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23528	From: IronHorse	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Erector/Gilbert layout

Checked out This site. Nice job, I relay like the crane Tim built. > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/home.html > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Roger Hinds To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23529	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1743

Montgomery Wards and Firestone stores carried a fill line of trains, Flyer, Lionel, & Marx thru the 40's and 50's. and Woolworth carried Marx. My first (1944)came from a neighbor who's son was in the service,a "1932" A.F. passenger set. my first new set 1946 A #310 loco from the Denver Dry Goods. W.W. Granger, was a wholesale outlet, I acquired additional sets. 1956 I worked as a LIONEL repairman at Anderson's toy land, station #312, I could cherry pick thru the new as well as the old trade-ins. The rest is history, I have some of each, in every gauge and scale, and 5 operating layouts. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23530	From: IronHorse	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Train websites.

I had to replace my hard drive. The old one died on me. As A result my Railroad website bookmarks went along into the cyber graveyard. I would appreciate it if you guys would send me Railroad website addresses. I managed to load a few back in. I need a lot of sites for my train web page as well. TRADE ? mine for yours?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23531	From: John Brockmann	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Blatant want ad...

Hi all, Anyone have any All Aboard cross over panels they would part with? Please contact me off list. Thanks,John.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23532	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: TV Test Pattern Blues

Edward G. (a wise guy, see) comments: >What's really funny is now you MEMORY Whiners have Sat(ellite) or Cable and >you have over 200 channels and complain there's nothing to watch .... And there hardly is, Ed. The amazing thing about television is that over the years there has ALWAYS been a core grouping of 5 or 6 really good shows that everybody talks about and quotes lines from and remembers as a part of our culture. The rest is crap. Back in the beginnings of television, they didn't know you could program crap, so they put up a test pattern. Since we're on the subject, I still have our first two television sets. The first, which we got in 1950, is a 7" Motorola. I have the owners manual as well. It received Channel 1, which was eliminated from the TV broadcast spectrum, but which would handily receive "Lifetime" on Cablevision today. Imagine, a 1950 cable-ready set! I also have the magnifying glass and mounting brackets, made so the whole family wouldn't need glasses to watch Milton Berle. The second TV is a Magnavox 17". How huge it was! My father had the store install an RCA audio jack with a switch to run the sound through the Hi-Fi Amplifier. Home theater in Black and White. We Zizzo's were Television Pioneers, alright. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23533	From: knockbill	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equiptment ?

I never had any "new" AF...... My first set was a Silver Bullet set which my Aunt gave me for Christmas, probably around 1957... She had gotten it for her kids as a previous Christmas present,, & they ran it into things until the boiler finally broke,, She took it to a shop, & they installed a Royal Blue boiler on it,, & thats the way I recieved it.... Still have it today....... In the sixties, we would ride the Paoli Local into town, & look at the AF at Bains Trains & Nicolas Smith..... I bought used freight cars there,,,,, The rest I got at train shows, & still do..... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23534	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: TV Test Pattern Blues

I didn't know what a comedian you are. The line below cracked me up! Chris Zizzo wrote: > > ...there has ALWAYS been a core grouping of 5 or 6 really good shows > that everybody talks about and quotes lines from and remembers as a part of > our culture. The rest is crap. Back in the beginnings of television, they > didn't know you could program crap, so they put up a test pattern. -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23535	From: Emily	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: My First Train

For the past few days I have enjoyed many of the members of our group reminising about their first , and later, purchases of electric trains, especially American Flyer. From all of their accounts I have concluded that I was perhaps the most fortunate of all in that I lived about 35 miles south of Chicago, IL and was introduced to American Flyer at Gilbert's showroom and warehouse in that city just before Christmas of 1949. I had graduated earlier that year from USAF pilot training and had flown an A-26 into Midway Airport for the Christmas holidays. I decided to catch the streetcar downtown to the Loop to do some Xmas shopping for my two younger brothers and somehow found the Gilbert store. Of course I was in uniform and when I walked into the lobby of the store I was greeted warmly and immediately given a royal tour of the showroom and surrounding environs. When I mentioned that I was interested in purchasing one of their electric train sets I think I was told, although I'm not certain of this, that they did not sell to the general public and I was referred to Marshall Field's Department Store some distance away. My memory sort of fades at this point about the specifics but, in any event, I was invited to go upstairs to their shipping department where I was introduced to the cutest little brunette who escorted me to a section of the store where other girls were boxing up the various Flyer train sets for shipment to various retail or distributor outlets as I recall. I won't bore you further with fuzzy details except to say that when I left the Gilbert facility very late that day I had two things in my possession; a beautiful Hudson heavyweight passenger set with all the accessories and the name and telephone number of that cute brunette ! No, I never did get the brunette but that 1949 Hudson heavyweight set resides in my trainroom as I type this, minus its' original Gilbert motor but replete with one of Steve Blackburn's new can motor conversion kits. My younger brothers enjoyed that set for a number of years until cars, girls and other things superceded their earlier interests. When that happened my blessed mother insisted they carefully wrap the set in its' original boxes and put it away in the attic until the first grandson arrived. Well, one of the advantages of being 10 and 12 years older, respectively,than my brothers was that I got the train back when my first son was born. When his brother arrived six years later we already had our first layout and , for a number of years, we continued to add to our Flyer collection. Sadly, those damned slot cars and midget motorcycles captured my sons' interests and the trains went into storage for another , extended period of time. But three years ago they all came back out and , when the layout effort was finished, that gorgeous Hudson heavyweight passenger set was the first to make the run around the big loop ! Hope I haven't bored you too much. Regards, Russ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23536	From: Doug	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

You guys have it all wrong. In 1955, ....SANTA CLAUS...gave me my first AF train. The following Christmas, he brought me switches and additional track. After that, I bought my trains at a (name not remembered )Hobby Shop on 69th street, in Upper Darby, PA. ------------- Original message follows ------------- I believe that my first train set, the 302 Atlantic (smoke in boiler w/choochoo) with B&O box, log carrying flat car and illuminated caboose came from Macy's in 1949 or 50. This is the legend anyway. My second set was a Super Chief in 1956 with 470/471/473 and 4 cars (no plain coach, all first class!) My mother bought it in Hoenig's in the Bronx. I still have the catalog that was included. It has a yellow Hoenig's sticker on the cover. Mom hiked up there on the subway and lugged that sizeable box back home to Brooklyn. Why? Price baby! Mom went through my catalogs then compared with the newspaper ads and found the deal!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23537	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

Well,...I hate to say, I never bought AF, or any other trains for that matter,..as a kid!! My parents did however, although, a small amount. My first train was a used 1953 AF "Mountaineer" passenger set that my folks bought for ten bucks in 1962, a price my Mom remembers it to have been. My Mom remembers taking Saturday or Sunday drives with my Dad,.. WITHOUT me,...to buy train goodies from Dudley Ambrose, that lived in a very small town just a few short miles south of us, in Santa Margarita, Calif.. He also had a hobby store in the city of San Luis Obispo, a little further south yet, over the infamous Cuesta Grade. (full of train tunnels!!) He closed the shop I believe, at one time, and ran it out of his home, I do remember being in his store I think once with my Dad,...not sure when,...maybe I was with Dad when he bought a train goodie,..I just don't remember why we were there, and barely remember the store! New items my folks bought for me were the #977 Action Caboose, #958 Mobilgas tank car, two Rex kits, a flatcar and gondola,...and some Plasticville. These goodies along with the Mountaineer set, are seen, with me, in the 1962 photo on page 33 in the book, "Toy Train Memories",...gee, I have mentioned THAT before?? :^) I do remember having a late 50's AF catalog, and looking through it often, looking at the other AF goodies that were offered,...but never buying any, or going back to the hobby store and looking!! I never bugged my folks to take me! What was wrong with me?? Closer to the mid-60's, the HO racing set took over my interests. I'm not really sure how many times the train was set up,..the only picture I can find, (I'm still looking!)..is the Christmas of 1962 photo of me with the train. I just don't have the memories of playing with the train much,.. or my surprize when I got the train! This all changed of course in 1997 when I got the ol' 282 loco running again, and started setting trains up around the Christmas tree, ..and buying more trains!! And an interesting side note,...(here is where I always make Dave Dewey wince!)...I bought four packed boxes of American Flyer . Rolling stock, track, switches, locos, parts,..and parts!! All for $200.00!! This is where I got my Franklin w/coaches, which I had been looking for, Sam the Semaphore Man, #346 Switcher, #779 Oil Drum Loader , were the highlights. I sold nearly $150.00 worth of parts and HO AF bridges on ebay,...nearly re-claiming my $200!! Bought the AF from a friend named Pete. We went to High School together, and got to know better down the line, as he hung around the first country band I was in. In the early 90's, I went to a local train show to see about gettin' my 282 running again,...then is when I found out that Pete,..was the SON of Dudley, the fella that my folks bought my train goodies from!! Sooo...in about '99 or '00,...Pete saw one of my cards, pinned up somewhere, and called me, said he had four boxes of AF he would sell for $200....I of course made my way to the ATM, and then to Pete's, which was the very house his folks had lived in,...and in an old boxcar, there where the train goodies! Quite of few thingsthat I kept, (sold a few), were new/old stock items, still in the little envelopes, with Pete's Dad's hand written prices in them! Pretty cool I thought,...I still plan on buggin' Pete to see if I could get a photo of his Dad, possibly with AF!! Golly,...sorry for the novel!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23538	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Everyone, I have loaded some pictures here of the latest layout.. I hope this link works OK.Click on view all to laod the thumb nails so you can see what you want to click on to view each picture. http://pak01.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Main/ViewSharedFilm?state=24& tunnelId=1&requestId=1043871066681&filmId=28546.374.1043206406470.2& forceRefresh1043871228380 Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23539	From: trainman634	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Need the right brake wheel

I purchased a AF/LTI #4-9209 N.Y.C. hopper and it did not have a brake wheel. I am not sure it came with a brake wheel. What is the A.F. part number of the brake wheel that I would use on this hopper? Is there a repro. brake wheel that I could use? It does not have a coal load. Did it come that way? Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23540	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: 1st e-mail no subject

Sorry for not putting a subject heading in. It is a link to pictures. Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23541	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: First Trains

I have no I idea where my first American Flyer set came from. I was no more than three years old at the time and can barely remember the Christmas when I got it. It was an uncataloged set with a 290, a hopper, a caboose, a #2 transformer, a pair of remote control switches and track. Threr may have been a gondola with it too. When I got old enough to really look at train displays, the best in Cincinnati were at Shillito's department store, a local auto parts chain called Checker Auto (no relation to the Checker Auto Parts that operates in the southwest today), and Brendamour's Sporting Goods. I bought an uncataloged set with the 21808 Baldwin, an IC reefer, a T&P gondola, a caboose, a 40 watt transformer, track, an uncoupler and a cardboard tresstle at Shillito's. I was very proud of that set because I had saved and purchased it with my own money. I really liked that Baldwin, even if it did have a tendency to derail on curves due to the lack of weight over the front trucks. I purchased several streamlined passenger cars at a discount house on Main Street called Hirschman's. I think that they must have purchased leftover stock from other stores because they rarely had more than one of an item and the stock was not consrtant. Shillito's had a large toy department, but they didn't really display trains except at Christmas. Checker and Brendamour's had large display layouts up all year. I used to got to the downtown YMCA with my brother on Saturday mornings and then in the afternoons walk to Checker and Brenmdamour's to look at the trains and wish. Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23542	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

Good one, Doug! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment? You guys have it all wrong. In 1955, ....SANTA CLAUS...gave me my first AF train. The following Christmas, he brought me switches and additional track. After that, I bought my trains at a (name not remembered )Hobby Shop on 69th street, in Upper Darby, PA. ------------- Original message follows ------------- I believe that my first train set, the 302 Atlantic (smoke in boiler w/choochoo) with B&O box, log carrying flat car and illuminated caboose came from Macy's in 1949 or 50. This is the legend anyway. My second set was a Super Chief in 1956 with 470/471/473 and 4 cars (no plain coach, all first class!) My mother bought it in Hoenig's in the Bronx. I still have the catalog that was included. It has a yellow Hoenig's sticker on the cover. Mom hiked up there on the subway and lugged that sizeable box back home to Brooklyn. Why? Price baby! Mom went through my catalogs then compared with the newspaper ads and found the deal! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23543	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

>You guys have it all wrong. In 1955, ....SANTA CLAUS...gave me my >first AF train. Yea I will go along with that. Although my Santa Claus was a step father who took on 4 kids (2 of them teens) and showed us what a family means. My first AF came from a military base exchange in 1955 and was a Silver Flash set. Then came a 326 set but can't remember what was in it. I remember saving like crazy to buy extra cars from a shop in a basement on Virginia St. in Reno NV. Then to Germany for a while and more military bases where a few more goodies came. Life became good. Now Santa comes every time I open packages from my S suppliers. Howard Howard' S Trains _______________________________________________________________________ Internet Access, Shared & Dedicated Web Hosting. Colocation and Domain Name Registration at http://www.lanset.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23544	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Where I got my A.F.

When I was growing up in S.E. Nebraska (Tecumseh) in the early 1950s, my mother would take my grandparents & I to Lincoln about once a month for shopping. We would always park as close to Gold's Department Store as we could. This was always our focal point when we were done shopping. Of course I would immediately go into Gold's up go up the esculator to around the 3rd floor, I believe, where there was always a fantastic display of American Flyer trains & accessories. It was my dream to own a set some day. In 1953 I took a job delivering newspapers, and as soon as I had enough money it was off to Gold's again. There I purchased my first set which was a #302 link coupler set (Black Diamond). Boy was I proud to finally have an American Flyer realistic set. That same year my parents bought our first B & W Zenith T.V. One of the first things I saw was the Inauguration of Dwight D. Eisenhower. It was an exciting time living through the 1950s, especially since I had that first train. Looking back I am curious if Gold's built those fabulous lay-outs or whether A.F. sent out people to build it each Christmas season. As far as I know, Gold's was the only store which sold Flyer in Lincoln! Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23545	From: Robert Johnson	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: New Lionel AF Checkerboard Bubbling Water Tower Tube Color

Hello All, I just purchased a new Lionel AF Checkerboard Water Tower. The packaging illustrates a clear bubbling water tube as I fully expected as this was an official Lionel AF re-release of a classic, beautiful accessory. After I arrived home and took it out of the box to place it on my layout I was initially shocked and then dismayed that the bubbling tube was not clear but rather amber in color. Is this supposed to be a WATER tower or an OIL tower? Also, the red lens on the top of the tower is not illuminated as the tube does not extend through to the top of the tank. Do any of you have any insight as to why Lionel used an amber tube rather than a clear tube. Or why Lionel choose not to illuminate the top lens? I am not pleased with the effect. Did the MTH reproduction version use a clear tube? Did their tube extend through the top of the tower and painted red on the tip as in the original Gilbert issue? Any insights or comments by our group members regarding this would be greatly appreciated by me. Thank you for your time. ~~Robert Johnson~~ Dismayed in California

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23546	From: wd511	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: New Flyonel

I had always wanted the talking station when I was little, so now I am pleased that a new model is coming out. From what you can tell, so far, how will this new one compare with the old? Yes, I read the description and see that it will be digital instead of a record. Will it have the old recording or, as the description implies, be just like the $20 or so Radio Shack recorder? (Maybe Lionel has finally recognized the value of the American Flyer line? Now, it would be nice if they made some new replacement parts so we no longer have to buy the old rusty ones.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23547	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: ERIE UPGRADE

There has been a recent thread about the poor performance of the Flyonel ERIE PA engine, from 1982, and I previously mentioned a factory upgrade kit that was provided free to owners, in 1983. Thanks to Jim Knight, I have been able to add the instructions and components for this upgrade to our website. Most of the components should be readily available at Radio Shack, and the required heatsinks can be easily fabricated from some thin aluminum. Visit our website, CLICK on AF REPAIR CLINICS, and then select the ERIE UPGRADE clinic. If anyone tries this and has any further tips for us to add to the clinic, please let us know! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23548	From: Karl Raab	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where I got my AF

Mom got a new Norge wash machine in 1953 and Polk Bros. here in Chicago included a 5112T set as a giveaway promotion. It would have been "old stock" then...:) Still have the 370 with the link coupler draw bars...Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23549	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Lionel making parts

It would be great if reborn Lionel would stick to their stated mission and make us some parts. But it won't happen unless we howl for it. Right now, replacement metallic stick-on windows for the 5 digit plastic stations are thin on the ground. If they remake the baggage smasher, it would be great if they made us some extra window stickers. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23550	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Link Coupler Truck Blues

Greetings to all! Here's the scoop on the link coupler blues, Thought I should share it with all of you. Birchwood Casey, Minuteman and Brownells are nice blues, But repeated applications are not true. Give the gunshop a try But the price was to high, Could buy several new trucks So I said, Oh Shucks. Give a marker a try, I did and then cried, This is more red then blue. To warm things up, heat up those trucks, And give it a touch of blue, This might do but not the coupler, too, So I'll leave that one up to you. So that is the gist of the link coupler test, It is hard to get black but not blue! Thanks to all who offered their help! Best wishes, Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23551	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

Mom got my 1961 Christmas present through M Wards. It was a dated AF set which I still have (included the US Navy Jeep Car!). Remember when big department stores used to issue a toys and more Christmas Catalog?---lots of fun to examine for hours, especially if you had a couple different ones! Just recently acquired an AF box that has a Macy's sticker on it---a treat for this Midwesterner. They obviously sold AF stuff. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23552	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Where did you buy...?

Most of my childhood trains were purchased at Savoy Merchandise on W. 23rd st, not far from the Gilbert Hall of Science. Savoy was both a wholesaler and retailer. the boss was named Irving, and he sold Fl;yer at 40% off list price. They had an incredible repair department, with all the parts in wooden pigeonholes. Often wonder what happened tohim and them. By the time I was old enough to shop for myself, most Flyer had disappeared from store shelves, but you could still find a few things if you looked hard enough. I got stuff at Polk's, Model RR Equipment Corp (on 45th st, where the Red Caboose is now) and a little toy store on 59th st that had nothing left but a stack of cow on track accessories. There was a little store on E 23rd st across the street from Madison Hardware, run by a man named Jerry. He went up to New Haven and got stuff from the factory. But he was not nice to kids and wouldn't sell me much. The new Flyer stuff had gone from Savoy, leaving only a few things that had been on the wall for years. One day, Irving said "Oh what the hell" and agreed to sell them to me. i got a 15B, a 947, and a MP vista dome. This was the last Flyer sold by Savoy as far as I know. The parts were long gone by then. In those days almost every kid had a train set, and a lot of them ended up at Goodwill. These places used to have tables full of used toy trains, milk crates full of track, and big barrels full of transformers, from which they salvaged the copper. I went to all the Goodwill stores in southeeastern Connecticut and got lots of stuff, mostly junk. 20+ years later, I restored every bit of it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23553	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/29/2003
Subject: Caig

The first 32 jars of Cramolin Paste went out today. Tomorrow, I'll do another 32 and the last on Friday, so they should all be gone by the weekend. I have included a company flyer and a two-sided sheet I wrote up. Do us both a favor and read it. It will save a lot of "So, what's this for, huh?" questions later. Everybody got two freebies. 1 is a tube of DeoxIT, a deoxidizing cleaner/lubricant. The other is a hypodermic syringe with needle. This last is NOT for applying the Caig product. It is for oiling, smoke fluid, your drug problem, whatever. Try not to stick yourself. If you do hurt yourself with the needle and decide to sue me, I've got a spare one for your lawyer! It's a very sharp object. If you are afraid you might poke your eye out, throw it away. No hard feelings. Just don't try to use it with the paste. It will jam. Of all those people who wrote me to claim the three extra jars, only one sent a check. I guess they want me to keep this thing going for a few more months. Wrong. First two checks I get win the two jars. All others will be returned. Enclose a return addressed envelope and a loose stamp, please. The winners will get their stamps back in the box. It's $25 to Chris Zizzo, 85 Scudder Pl., Northport, NY 11768-3026. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23554	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: 6 volt resister

I am building a frame to a 0-6-0 battey engine. I'll try and add wheels to make it a 4-6-0. So I have to move the wheels back and will need a new frame. I am taking pictures. The wheels can be narrowed, but the frame is to large. So here is the challange. Has anyone run a battery train of 6 volts from AC. I will assume it would require the same resistor. I'll add a larger motor if I can find one, but don't want to burn out the 6 volt motor before I can test the engine. Thanks, Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23555	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Dallee & Flyonel

Does anyone have experience installing Dallee #400 electronic e-units in Flyonel diesels? If so, any problems, or any special tips to offer???? Anything different about putting one in the early B&O that had the original motors rather than cans? Any special wiring directions we should know about for a Flyonel installation???? If I can get some feedback on this, we'll make it the basis for a new website CLINIC. Thanks. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23556	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: 0-6-0 battey engine

- Greeting`S' - Regarding Jim's question about running the 0-6-0, normally battery operated, on AC. Practically all battery-propelled locos have permanent magnet motors which are DC only. Put a 2, 3, or 4 A bridge rectifier between your AC supply (transformer) and the DC load (0-6-0 battey engine). Include a resistor if your trans- former starts off at 7 V or so. Reversing the DC leads from the the rectifier to the loco will reverse the direction if it is indeed a permanent magnet motor. Hope this helps. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23557	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Where did you buy. . .

Christmas 1952 my parents and grandparents went together to buy me an AF Hudson set from Macy's in Cleveland. After the holiday the store, which had a large layout, had a box of engines marked $5 a piece- display engines. My father bought a Santa Fe PA and 2 PBs, a chrome Silver Streak and a 332 (DC) which hadn't been used because the store hadn't sorted out the DC issue. We also used to purchases (370 and freight cars) from Blum's Hobby House. Many years later while living in Southern Calif. we got help and items from a hobby shop in Long Beach and a Train Shop within Knott's Berry Farm. Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23558	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

I am pretty sure that my dad got my first 290 set in 1951, when I was 6, from Baker and Hamilton Hardware, where he got a discount as a San Francisco city employee. I did buy a Silver Bullet passenger set with Chrome loco and satin cars at Merrills' Drug Store in downtown SF. They didn't normally sell AF, but they apparently had a closeout in 1954 of 1953 Silver Bullet sets. They had a display set up of a huge oval using only curved track. It was painful to see the Silver Bullet barreling down a "straightaway" of S curves. What I really remember best though, is riding the old "Iron Monster" street cars from Noe Valley where I lived, to downtown San Francisco and the J.C. Penney Department Store, which regularly sold AF and had a big display layout on the 6th floor. I didn't buy much but I still enjoyed seeing the new stuff and that was the highlight of every trip downtown. Fast forward 45 to 50 years from those days -- J.C. Penney is no longer there and the building has been gutted inside and refurbished as office space. I have been to law school and practicing law for better than 25 years. The 5th and 6th floors of the old J.C. Penney building are now occupied by the regional offices of the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, before whom I regularly argue cases. Every once in a while, after a settlement or status conference, I look over the central atrium of the building to the northeast side of the 6th floor and think back to an earlier time when I had a whole lot more fun in that same airspace. Even if you can go back, it isn't there anymore. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23559	From: jmdecar	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

I guess Santa Claus got me my trains as a Christmas gift in December 1954 when I was just about 1 year old. Later I found out (when I was 20 - I had protective parents) that Santa was really my dad who bought the trains for me (him) so I could play with them as I got older. He was real smart (as I get older he seems to get smarter every year) about keeping them out of my hands until I could really handle them with care (When I was 40). I could remember begging my mother every year to have him set up the trains just as soon as he got the Christmas tree into the house. I still have that wonderful 303 Atlantic set, baggage car with station, cable car, box car, pipe car and the cabbose. Still have the original set box it came in. In those days he worked two jobs... his second job was at the electronics department at Gertz in Flushing, New York where he bought that set for about $35.00. That original set has been added to over the years and still works perfectly like the first day we opened the box. Joe DeCarlo --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beechcricker <BeechCrRR@a...>" <BeechCrRR@a...> wrote: > For those of you old enough (smile) to have purchased original AF > equipment when it was new, at what types of stores did you shop? > > My Dad is surprisingly foggy on this but it appears that as a youth > in Pittsburgh in the early 1950s, he bought most of his at an > electrical supply store. > > Also, I understand the now defunct Hudson's department store in > Downtown Detroit would have a huge AF layout set up at the holidays. > I guess this made many a youngster drool! > > Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23560	From: Bradley	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: They ended up at Goodwill!

I had to kind of chuckle when I read the post by Mr. Jarcho "In those days almost every kid had a train set, and a lot of them ended up at Goodwill" I moved away from home in the early 70's leaving the trains and some other things in the storage room of my parents house. Several years went by until I had a house of my own and a place for the trains. When I went to my parents house to get the trains they were gone! My mom explained that "I didn't think you wanted that stuff anymore so I gave it to Goodwill when I cleaned out the basement" It wasn't just the trains, the slot cars, erector sets, and the baseball cards (from the 60's and 70s)including the cards you cut off the back of cereal boxes, all gone! My mom is 82 now and I still love her...ha ha ha.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23561	From: AF336	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Black plastic Alco PA horns

I was wondering if anyone knew where I could come up with a black plastic horn. I notice that Doug has some repro. parts, but it would really be nice to come up with an original. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23562	From: David	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts

Yes, parts availability in some cases is becoming a problem. I've gotten a short list started of items that used to be readily available via our friendly parts vendors, and now no one has any. Mike certainly isn't selling parts to the items they make, and thats a shame as their new Plastic accessory shack would be a huge hit. ALWAYS looking to buy old orignal Aurora HO Slot Cars in excellent condition!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23563	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Where I got my Flyer

I told this story a couple of years ago on here, but I'll do it again since the interest seems peaked. My cousin got a Flyer set for Christmas 1947 and I fell in love with it because all I had ever seen to that time was three rail stuff. I badgered my parents ceaselessly from that point on for a Flyer train set. It never happened. They were too poor to afford it. A year later I got a Marx Monon diesel set for my birthday. I ran it to death in about a years time, and that was that. One day in 1959 just after being discharged from the Air Force I was walking down a street in my neighborhood and saw a bunch of junk out in a guys front yard. It was the first "yard sale" I had ever come across. In the middle of it all was a huge cardboard box with some two rail track sticking out of it. I peeked, and behold, a whole bunch of Flyer stuff was in there. There was a 293 and 13 cars making up the uncataloged Sears "Near Miss" set from 1956/57. There was also a barrel loader, fueling depot, water tank, some Plasticville, 6 floodlight towers, about a mile of track, a pair of 720A switches and a 40 watt transformer. There were a few other pieces that escape me now but I bought it all......$20. The rest is history. I still have all of the stuff bought that day except the floodlight towers. End of story.....Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23564	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: layout wire

A few weeks ago someone posted what the best wire to use for connecting track power is. I had a problem with two lines so I checked with a voltage meter and found I was losing at least 5 volts at the far end of my layout. Can someone offer a suggestion? Thanks! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23565	From: pushpinss	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts

What parts used to be available that no one has any? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David <Dave0616@c...>" <Dave0616@c...> wrote: > Yes, parts availability in some cases is becoming a problem. I've > gotten a short list started of items that used to be readily > available via our friendly parts vendors, and now no one has any. > Mike certainly isn't selling parts to the items they make, and thats > a shame as their new Plastic accessory shack would be a huge hit. > > > ALWAYS looking to buy old orignal Aurora HO Slot Cars in excellent > condition!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23566	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

I wrote: .**((..in about '99 or '00,...Pete saw one of my cards, pinned up somewhere, and called me, said he had four boxes of AF he would sell for $200....))** I got to thinking about this,...it musta been prior to Dec. '99,...that is when I bought my computer and went online....and after falling into a deal such as this,...it sure made it hard buying AF off of ebay and at train shows!!! Didn't stop me though!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23567	From: knockbill	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: track wire

I use #14 stranded wire for my track power..... Doesn't seem to have much drop,, #16 works for close runs,,, But #14 is building wire & easy (?) to get in many colors,,, I usually get used wire from jobs, so the price is just right!!!!!Ask a friendly electrician to save old THHN for you... John ,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23568	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: track wire

Yo: My layout is in an area that is 22' x 22', main line is 250', I use 12 awg stranded wire as a power buss with wire drops solder from each rail to the power buss. The wire drops are 18 awg, and in some cases like the yard they are 20 awg. I run DCC with a 10 amp Northcoast for most of the mainline and a 8 amp Chief for reversing loops off the mainline and my yards. No power lose anywhere. Tommy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23569	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Photo link from Chris....

Chris,.. That link didn't work for me,....said my time was expired!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23570	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Caig Final

The Caig order is closed. All checks are in. Send no more money. 18 more went out today bringing the total to 50 of 85. I'm out of packing peanuts at the moment. The rest will go tomorrow. Yay!!!! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23571	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: My first American Flyer.

Group, My first American Flyer, a 322 Hudson freight train, was bought by my father, Luther Boussum at Nathan's Furniture in Pottsville, PA for Christmas in 1948. Nathan's is still in business, operated by the original owner's daughter and her family, but one cannot buy trains there now. Most of my later Flyer train sets came from Jim's Sport Shop in Schuylkill Haven, PA. As the name implies, Jim's mostly dealt with hunting and fishing equipment and supplies. However, Jim also sold model airplanes and supplies throughout the year and Gilbert Flyer, Erector, and Science sets for about four months, equally split around Christmas time. After I thought that I "outgrew" American Flyer I bought a Gilbert HO Pennsylvania 0-6-0 switcher. My dad bought himself a Tyco "General" 4-4-0 at the same time. We built an HO layout that we operated together until I got married. Our first Christmas together, in 1966, my wife, Sylvia, asked me to put up "the big trains." She bought me a "Casey Jones" outfit at Drey's Hardware in Reading, PA to make sure the HO gauge trains would stay in the box. In 1971 I acquired my final "new" American Flyer, another copy of my first train. Naftzinger's Furniture store in Centerport, PA went onto the auction block after the proprietor passed away that year. The auction catalog listed an American Flyer train. I went to look at it a couple of days before the auction and got the set for $40. The only difference between the two trains was that my new acquisition had the original side dump coal car. The Flyer O-gauge set that my dad owned had the same car. According to him mom would not have the side dump coal car, since it caused a lot of problems with "coal" because I played with it on the carpet. So my dad traded it for another car when he bought the set. Other area stores that handled American Flyer were Sheets and Daddo Electric in Pottsville, PA who also was a Gilbert authorized service station; Messner and Hess five and dime in Schuylkill Haven, PA; and Haynes Hobby House in Reading, PA. These were some of the places where one could purchase American Flyer trains and accessories in my local area. Don't I wish I could go to one of those stores today ahd acquire some ACG American Flyer? W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23572	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: layout wire

Hi, Well, I believe in using 14 gauge stranded wire for long runs, both feeder lines and power to switches. It's cheap enough when bought by the spool at Home Depot (~$15/500') available in a variety of insulation colors. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Knight, Gene To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] layout wire A few weeks ago someone posted what the best wire to use for connecting track power is. I had a problem with two lines so I checked with a voltage meter and found I was losing at least 5 volts at the far end of my layout. Can someone offer a suggestion? Thanks! Gene S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23573	From: firex43	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: AF Game Train Cardboard Pieces

Wanted: Original Union Pacific and Great Northern curved cardboard game pieces for American Flyer Game Train. Color copies of same if possible, also. Thanks. John Keating 95-40670

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23574	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: layout wire

I'm sure you'll get multiple responses, but here's my 2 cents worth. Your voltage is dropping because of the resistance of multiple track joints and long runs of wire. Run a pair of bus wires under the tracks to carry track power all around the layout. Wire should be heavy, say 14 gauge, 12 is better but hard to handle, and fed from the transformer base and variable posts. Every few feet run a pair of jumper wires from this bus to the track. These jumper wires don't need to be as heavy a gauge, 18 gauge should be OK if they're less than a foot long. Be careful not to run jumpers to any sidings that are powered by Flyer switches or you'll defeat their power switching capability. A large layout emphasizes the power drop for Flyer engines because they're such current suckers. By contrast an SHS, AM or other can motor loco will slow down much less on the same track. "Knight, Gene" wrote: > > A few weeks ago someone posted what the best wire to use for connecting track power is. I had a problem with two lines so I checked with a voltage meter and found I was losing at least 5 volts at the far end of my layout. Can someone offer a suggestion? > > Thanks! > > Gene > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23575	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Plastic Village Gazette

I just learned an article I wrote will not only be featured in the June issue of The Plastic Village Gazette, but a photo of the project will be featured on the Cover. The project was converting a Bachmann On30 coach to a roadside diner. If you are not familiar with the Plastic Village Gazette, it is a quarterly magazine which features articles on Plasticville and the like. I have place a photo of the cover in the photo section. If you are interested in the Plastic Village Gazette, write Mike Cedro at mcedro@... Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR http://www.waynestrains.homestead.com/index.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23576	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Track wire

Many thanks for all the replies. I am sure I will incorporate all of your suggestions. Thanks again! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23577	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Re: Plastic Village Gazette

Way to go Wayne! Looks great. Steve "rapidrail1 " wrote: > I just learned an article I wrote will not only be featured in the > June issue of The Plastic Village Gazette, but a photo of the project > will be featured on the Cover. The project was converting a Bachmann > On30 coach to a roadside diner. If you are not familiar with the > Plastic Village Gazette, it is a quarterly magazine which features > articles on Plasticville and the like. I have place a photo of the > cover in the photo section. If you are interested in the Plastic > Village Gazette, write Mike Cedro at mcedro@... > > Wayne Beachy > Midlothian & Manchester RR > http://www.waynestrains.homestead.com/index.html > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23578	From: LeRoy Price	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: Knuckle Coupler Question

Hello all, I'm new to the forum and I had a question that I think someone here can answer. Having never used any AF products I was wondering how the Knuckle couplers worked with the new High rail rolling stock? LeRoy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23579	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: More on Caig Final

All the packages are done. 50 have been mailed, 35 go to the P.O. tomorrow. Total 85 plus 36 last time I did this, in the summer, gives a grand total of 121 to 120 buyers. One guy got two. I was so clever that I printed exactly 85 instruction sheets so that I would know if I shorted anybody. I have two left. Apparently, two of you did not get the paperwork. Ooops. Please let me know and I will drop it into the mail forthwith. As you receive these, please assure me that they have arrived and in good condition. I want to make sure all my babies find their new homes. Again, I reiterate: read the entire instruction sheet before using anything. And don't poke yourself with the needle. This thing is over. If you still want some, and apparently about 10 of you do, contact Caig directly. www.caig.com and Susan Prenatt at ssp@... . Thanks for participating. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23580	From: scott ptacek	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: UNION PACIFIC PASSENGER CARS

IM LOOKING FOR THE (LIONEL) 8904 COMBINATION CAR 8905 COACH AND THE 8906 VISTA DOME ANY SUGGESTIONS --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23581	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: INFO& AND PHONE #

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23582	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2003
Subject: FLUID INFO???/ MORE THAN A BLANTANT AD

Anyone know the phone # of Charles Dill from Wauchula, FLA, 33873? He is in need of my fluid & I need his # to contact him. ANYONE INTERESTED IN MY FLUID PLEASES CONTACT ME OFF LIST., I have gone to a larger 4oz bottle for $10 + $3.00 shipping. The best price you can find anywhere. It comes with a dropper. Also comes with the money back $$$ if you do not like it for ANY reason. Shipping & cost of the fluid is returned. NO ONE WILL STAND BE HIND THEIR PRODUCT LIKE I WILL. 4oz bottle is $13.00 including shipping. I am going to offer an 8 oz refill bottle. Ask for wholesale & club prices (I will refund on a 4oz bottle, but not on a larger order. Try it before placing a larger order) YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE TO TRY IT. It is the org Gilbert Formula. Ask some on this list that have tried it. I still have a few dealership opening at this time. I have quite a few letters stating as to the quality & org. scent of this fluid. Thank You for your time, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23583	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Knuckle Coupler Question

**(((Hello all, I'm new to the forum and I had a question that I think someone here can answer. Having never used any AF products I was wondering how the Knuckle couplers worked with the new High rail rolling stock?)))** Hi Leroy, If you are refering to SHS, American Models, etc....with Flyer type couplers,...I haven't had a problem,...as far as coupling original AF with the newer products. I have more problems with couplers on older AF made by Lionel!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23584	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts

I contacted Lionel's service dept. yesterday to inquire about "upgrade" part availability for the Erie set. The person I spoke with didn't have a clue but she did think that some upgrades were being worked on. She didn't know for what pieces. I called several "L" dealers and none had the required parts. Doug did a great job with the instructions. Guess I'll have to Radio Shack it. Did any Erie sets come with the Upgrade already installed???? Ken -----Original Message----- From: pushpinss <pushpinss@...> [mailto:pushpinss@...] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel making parts What parts used to be available that no one has any? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David <Dave0616@c...>" <Dave0616@c...> wrote: > Yes, parts availability in some cases is becoming a problem. I've > gotten a short list started of items that used to be readily > available via our friendly parts vendors, and now no one has any. > Mike certainly isn't selling parts to the items they make, and thats > a shame as their new Plastic accessory shack would be a huge hit. > > > ALWAYS looking to buy old orignal Aurora HO Slot Cars in excellent > condition!! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ + +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23585	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts

Hi Ken, I still have a couple of Erie up-grade kits in storage. Will pull them out to let you know what is in them. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23586	From: Steve Roche	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Where did you buy your (then new) AF equipment?

This discussion on where we bought our AF trains is a trip down memory lane. I received my first set (a 302?) on my 1st birthday in 1953 from our upstairs neighbors (surrogate god parents) while living in Rhode Island. By the time I was old enough to appreciate them we had moved to a ranch style house in Wallingford, Conn. just outside of New Haven. I do remember setting them up many times in our basement until one day when I put up a 7 ft long layout on a 6 ft long table. After a rather nasty derailment, the engine ceased to function My Dad was manager of a shipping company that specialized in piggy back rail. His office was down the street from A.C. Gilbert. Every year at Christmas, his co workers from around the country would ask him to go by the Gilbert store at the factory to buy some trains at a discount. He would do so and send them out. However, it would take him 6 months to get paid back. After the 2nd year he quit doing this. He never bought many trains there but I do remember getting the biggest erector set for Christmas one year. When we moved to Northern Calif. in 1960 my trains didn't make the trip. Twenty years later when I was dating my wife to be, we went over to her sisters house at Christmas, where her brother in law had set up a real nice layout around their tree. It brought back many memories as well as a bit of envy. A few years after we got married, my wife bought me a little HO set. It got me started. A year or so later I bought a 303 from my brother in law with some track and rolling stock. Since that time I have acquired 15 other engines as well as a bunch of accessories. Our family teases us about our competing layouts, mine is larger, his looks better. I tell them that both of us have fine layouts. Saying this my most stressful day of the Holiday is the one in which my brother in law comes over for the first time to see the layout, if the trains aren't running well I hear about it all year. Thanks for the opportunity to share this. Steve Roche P.E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23587	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: West Springfield, MA

SHS will be in the Young building hopefully next to the Bristol club layout. If you are in the area, drop by and say hello. Robin and Roger will be there too! Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23588	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts

In a message dated 1/31/03 6:54:53 AM, STOUDTKR@... writes: << I contacted Lionel's service dept. yesterday to inquire about "upgrade" part availability for the Erie set. The person I spoke with didn't have a clue but she did think that some upgrades were being worked on. >> As I have posted before, the Erie "upgrade" is truly ancient history for the folks in Chesterfield -- it is a 20 year old engine. They would go about repairing the engine by doing a board swap by using the newest version introduced in ~1992. Engine performance would be better, BTW, if the modification is done this way. The resistor "fix" works, but it is a kluge. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23589	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: UNION PACIFIC PASSENGER CARS

In a message dated 1/31/03 12:44:45 AM, s6g2p@... writes: << IM LOOKING FOR THE (LIONEL) 8904 COMBINATION CAR 8905 COACH AND THE 8906 VISTA DOME ANY SUGGESTIONS >> Yes, join the Train Collectors Association and place a wanted notice in the "Interchange Point" (both paper-based and e-versions) of the Headquarters News. A membership, by the way, in the TCA is tremendously useful for anybody who has a serious interest in toy trains. They show up once in a while on ebay, too. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23590	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Dennis Sautters Laser Horizons

Thorin, et al: Re: the Dennis Sautters Laser Horizons list, I presume these are plastic sides intended to replace AM smoothsides in a kitbash? If so, the problems with that are: 1.) Shortage of AM streamliners, 2.) High desirability of AM streamliners just as they are, 3.) High cost of said streamliners, 4.) Major kitbashing is major surgery, especially for us RTR and EZ-kit guys, 5.) If it bashes any other RTR cars, all of the above still applies. It seems to me that the sides are the toughest parts to make. Roof and floor sections are nothing, really. If Dennis has made all of these sides to work with the AM roof and floor combo, why not knock out some roofs (rooves?) and floors? They're all the same anyway. Make a jillion of them with some vestibule ends and put them out there, with the sides, as kits. Don't worry about the trucks. AM will sell us all the Budd trucks we want. I love passenger cars and I would go nuts for all those sleeper combinations and club cars and such. This plan will ADD to our rolling stock, not cut it apart. It will also make Dennis Sautters a full time S-Scale manufacturer. Little bits and pieces for the scale crowd is a nice hobby job, but hi-rail is where the volume sales are. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23591	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Black plastic Alco PA horns

Try contacting H.G. Wells. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "AF336" <AF336@h...> wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew where I could come up with a black plastic > horn. I notice that Doug has some repro. parts, but it would really be nice > to come up with an original. > > > Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23592	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: FW: [On30conspiracy] On30 For Newbies - Part Two

The On30 folks have done this ... as a fellow 'newbie' I think this is quite informative & pretty cool! Does S/Sn3 have anything like this??? BTW How long do I have to stay a 'newbie'? Ben Conspirators: This series will be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/On30conspiracy/files/A-03/ Comments, corrections or suggestions should be sent to me privately at bobber@... ============================================================================ On30 For Newbies by Bobber Gibbs Part Two - Track, Turnouts, Ballast, Curves, Wheels and Couplers TRACK Since HO gauge track is close to 30" in 1:48 scale, there are several choices to consider for On30 track. Of course, you could use regular HO track and your equipment would operate perfectly, but in On30, the HO ties are too short, too narrow and to close together for narrow gauge. You could lay your own track on On30 ties or use one of several commercial brands of On30 flex track. Some Conspirators install hand laid or commercial flex track at the front of a layout where it can be seen and regular HO track in tunnels or in hidden sections behind the scenes. Some even use regular HO track in areas where the track looks like it has sunk into the ground, where the ballast covers the ties completely or where the ties are covered by asphalt. A neat touch where HO track is sunk into the ground is to have the ends of a few narrow gauge ties sticking out here and there to give the illusion that all ties are the same. In general, ties for On30 are the same or slightly smaller than those used for On3. In 1:48 scale, Code 100 rail equates to about 75 pound rail. Code 83 equates to about 55 pound rail and Code 70 represents 35 pound rail. 70 pound rail is adequate for 11 tons per axle loading and 35 pound rail will handle nine tons per axle, or an 18 ton 4-wheel critter. For fast or heavy mainline trains like the Colorado narrow gauges, Code 100 would be appropriate and for slower and lighter trains, Code 83 might be used while tiny critters and ore cars will look better on Code 70 or smaller. Lighter equipment could operate on heavier rail but heavier equipment would be unsafe on very light rail. Tie plates might normally be found only under the heaviest rail for heavy trains but there are exceptions to every rule. TURNOUTS At this time, only one manufacturer produces On30 turnouts to match its On30 flex track but you could use any HO turnout and carefully bury the ties, keep only the ties necessary to maintain structural integrity and replace the others with On30 ties, or install HO switch kits over On30 ties. I prefer route-selective tournouts so that when I throw for a stub spur, the spur is powered and when I throw for the main, the spur is dead. That's an easy way to store unused locomotives without fancy wiring. Note that when two route-selective turnouts face each other and create a runaround track, power must be fed from the single sides of the turnouts and insulated gaps must be used on both rails of both tracks between the turnouts. A turnout that incorporates a spring to keep the points tight against the stock rail is a benefit when you are moving turnouts around in your experimental phase. After final placement is determined, I prefer a manual ground throw or switchstand to an electric throw as very few narrow gauge lines would have had powered turnouts and it looks more realistic to stop a train to allow a crewman to throw a turnout than to throw the turnouts ahead of a moving train. BALLAST On standard gauge railroads, crushed stone ballast, with its sharp edges and points, is used to keep the ties and rails level and in position and a raised and properly profiled right of way provides for drainage. On a busy and well-maintained industrial line, the investment in ballast might be justified by the management but for most temporary logging or quarry lines, ballast was seldom used at all. On my quarry line, where we produce and ship ballast, crushed stone is everywhere and only the tops of the rails show in some places. CURVES The tiniest 0-4-0T Porter ever built was a four tonner with 36" wheelbase that could negotiate a 12' radius curve on 12 pound rail. Our tiny eight ton Porters will wrap around a six inch radius curve easily, but may have problems with the couplers on some tiny cars. In my tests, the Bachmann Mogul, with a slight modification, can operate in both directions around a 12" (48') radius curve but it looks better on a wider curve. The Bachmann Shay will negotiate a 12" curve in a counter-clockwise direction, but has problems with tight curves in the clockwise direction due to a restricted right-turning ability of the front truck. Minimum turning radius is supposed to be 15" for the Shay and tight curves would be negotiated only at dead slow speed by any locomotive. Where possible, incorporate a slight easement into and out of any sharp curve. WHEELS On most freight cars on the Colorado narrow gauge roads, the wheels were 26" while on most standard gauge freight cars, freight cars were 33" and, later, 36". Bachmann On30 wheels are right on for 26" while HO 33" wheels equate to about 16" in 1:48 and HO 36" wheels equate to about 18". Many smaller cars used 16" or smaller wheels. An HO shorty flatcar equates to just over 16' long and the HO archbar trucks look perfect with 16" wheels. COUPLERS You sure can use link and pin couplers if you wish to and IMHO, everyone should try it. Once. That will be enough to convince most Conspirators that knuckle couplers are the way to go and besides, they're prototypical on my line and could be on your's. I dont use magnetic coupler ramps and I nip off the "air hoses" and use a tiny screwdriver between the knuckle faces to uncouple where ever I choose. Couplers that are at HO height (use a coupler gauge) will work perfectly but you may choose to change the couplers on your larger equipment to the common standard of 26" from railtop to coupler center. No one is ever going to convince every Conspirator to use the same standard, but it makes a lot of sense to recognize two standards, HO height and/or 26". ================= Next, we'll create a display/test track and get into some operation. Bobber Gibbs On30conpiracy Advisory: 1. Sign messages with first and last name and general location. 2. Be courteous and respect all fellow modelers. 3. No attachments or private messages to full list. 4. No political, religious, racial or ethnic references. 5. Delete all but the relevant part of a message when replying. 6. To unsubscribe, email to: On30conspiracy-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com On30 Home Page at http://pw2.netcom.com/~lrickert/On30/On30.html On30modeler at http://hometown.aol.com/on30modeler/index.html On30guy at http://on30guy.gerenm.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23593	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Atlas-O Turntable

Has anyone seen the new Atlas-O turntable up close? At 24 inches length, that come out to 128 feet in S. The three rail O track is supposed to be replaceable with two rail O track. Could it be as simple as replacing the O track with S track? Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23594	From: robert allen conner	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas-O Turntable

I saw one the other day..From the picture on the box the 3 rails look molded in....But it looks as if it could be modified by recessing the unit into the table top and adding track to the top...Like a real turntable...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan C Udy" <nsupbnsf@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas-O Turntable > Has anyone seen the new Atlas-O turntable up close? > > At 24 inches length, that come out to 128 feet in S. The three rail O > track is supposed to be replaceable with two rail O track. Could it be > as simple as replacing the O track with S track? > > Alan Udy, RMHRS > Idaho Falls, ID > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23595	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Repro American Flyer Track - Blatant Ad!

For those of you that have been waiting patiently, my shipment of K-Line repro track arrived yesterday. I have the 54" dia. curve, small straights, and 36 inch straights. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23596	From: firex43	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Trolleys by Pope Imagineering

Information wanted on S gauge trolleys made by Pope Imagineering, plaese. Curious if these items are still in production. Thank you, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23597	From: trainman634	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: American Models Track

I have a few questions about using American Models track. How do you mount AM track to your train table? How do you uncouple cars using AM track? Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23598	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Dennis Sautters Laser Horizons

Great suggestion Chris. What do you think Dennis? Thorin? Jack P.S. Some of our S-Guage groups could get together and help solicit/sponser etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23599	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: power drops

Here's another thought on soldering power leads to rails. I have soldered to the UNDERside of the rail AFTER laying the rail (and before ballasting!!!!!!). Use a slim file to get in between the ties and clean off the bottom of the rail. Get some flux on the bottom of the rail (use a cotton swab or small paint brush). Then follow the same soldering rules that have already been discussed. I hold the wire against the bottom of the rail using a small soldering tip. I hold the wire with my other hand, so that when I pull the soldering tip away, I hold the wire in location while the solder cools. BEFORE soldering the wire, it is easy to drill a hole at a slight angle so that most of the hole is under the rail. Push the tinned lead wire up through the hole, bend it over so that it is in position to be soldered. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23600	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Caig delivery

Wow! Youse guys is reporting in already. That was fast! Glad to hear two-day mail is working. Please, whoever did not get any paperwork in the box, let me know right away. I'll send it right out. You need to have it. There should be two that I missed. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23601	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Auto Size

Surely even a fringe group such as ourselves has enough > market presence to stimulate the production of at least a few accurately > scaled vehicles--classics like a Model A, '40 or '49 Ford, 55 Chev, etc. > When it comes down to it, the only way to be sure of an item's scale is to compare it with measurements from the real thing. > Check out http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/mhrreast/vehicles.html he does appreciate updates if something appropriate is found. ======== OK, this subject keeps coming up. A general answer to what is correct for S scale is that typical '60's full size cars and pickups were about 6' wide. Luxury cars up to 6" wider. Compacts as much as 6" narrower. Heavy trucks were typically 8' wide, the legal limit I believe. Measure your "1/64th" scale vehicle with an S scale rule, or divide the prototype dimensions by 64 and measure them with your standard rule. If you measure a prototype vehicle AND an "S scale" vehicle to determine how accurate it is, send me the info and I will add a page on the website for the info. If you want to send photos of the prototype to help people detail the models I'll try to post those as time permits. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23602	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Two-in-One

My copy February copy of the "Model Railroad News" arrived today in Flagstaff via conestoga wagon. And, much to my surprise our illustrious NASG pres., Roy Hoffman, has two articles prominent in this edition. On page 14, you can find Roy's article about the PHM conversion chassis for the Bachmann On30 Closed Street Car, and on page 37 is Roy's "S Curves" piece. Way to go, Roy! Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23603	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 2, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23604	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts

I have an Erie that has always run poorly and overheats, so I would be interested in what was in the original kits... Of course that assumes that the EE's at Lionel designed the Upgrade correctly... probably will Radio Shack it too... >From: HOwingsiii@... >To: STOUDTKR@..., pushpinss@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel making parts >Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:06:05 EST > >Hi Ken, I still have a couple of Erie up-grade kits in storage. Will pull >them out to let you know what is in them. >Harwood > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23605	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: electronics in trains

The electronic reverse unit in the Erie represents the first generation of such things. I would think it is not worth salvaging if you plan to operate the train a lot. It is worth salvaging if the antiquity of the electronics somehow appeals to you. Remember the early plastic items that warped? Same thing. This is one problem with electronic devices for trains. They seem to change and develop rapidly. By the time you equip a large railroad with the latest DCC or whatever, a totally new and better system may have been invented! And what's next? I am intrigued by the idea of putting bar codes under trains, and using bar code readers as specific train detection devices. In connection with a computer and DCC, all sorts of sequences could be programmed, from station announcements to a train's route. You could even program your computer to record the operating moves you make, and store and repeat them. But the DCC devices would probably need a few more features than they have now. See what I mean? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23606	From: David Engle	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: Dennis Sautters Laser Horizons

I'll save the details for later. I have 2 pair of Sautters' sides, adjust for the foot-short of the A-M shells. The shells will become pre-War PS sleepers when I can finish them, also, I have an A-M baggage dorm that is now an 80-foot baggage shell. Dennis has a needed product, and there would be even more activity if we could come out with sides in the corrugations that Pullman-Standard and Budd had before and after W.W.II. If Dennis does sides only and the roofs, ends etc., and other parts come from other sources, I have no problem with that. Plenty of parts, including ends, are available from Billy Wade and/or Ladd Houda, and roofs are possible now if you want to use the old NE wood. I'd prefer to see Mrs. Warner come out with a suitable standard roof section in plastic; maybe a smooth-panel one for P-S and a corrugated one for Budd. DJE-KCMO > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23607	From: aglorince	Date: 1/31/2003
Subject: Re: American Models Track

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainman634 <carl4260@e...>" <carl4260@e...> wrote: > I have a few questions about using American Models track. How do you > mount AM track to your train table? How do you uncouple cars using AM > track? Thanks for your help. you either glue it or spike it. if you spike you need to drill holes through ties outside of rail there is a thick spot in the tie castings for this purpose. you only need to drill every tenth tie or so. some prefer to stager holes between the two sides. you can also use spikes between ties holding the rails directly. uncoupling depends on the type couplers you are using. back in the fifties when my dad hand layed track he would piece a of old film (thin plastic would probably work also) between the rails. this was usualy about a half or 3/8 inch by 3 inches. he would bow it, by placing it under ties on either end, so that the film just came in contact with the couplers. this seemed to work with both styles of af couplers. if you use kd couplers or equivalant they make magnets that fit below track or between the rail for this purpose. these are designed for ho but should also work for other gauges. andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23608	From: David	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts

Top 3 on my list: 1.) Plastic accessory shack. (No one had this ever.) 2.) Door overhang for 799 station. 3.) 785 Coal Loader Roof. ALWAYS looking to buy old orignal Aurora HO Slot Cars in excellent condition!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23609	From: rfgiardina	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel making parts

The Door overhang for the 799 and the 785 Coal Loader Roof are still manufactured by RFG and are in stock and available, direct from RFG only. www.rfgco.com/catalog/ We have the plastic shack drawn, but have not yet started the mold. RFG --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David <Dave0616@c...>" <Dave0616@c...> wrote: > Top 3 on my list: > > 1.) Plastic accessory shack. (No one had this ever.) > > 2.) Door overhang for 799 station. > > 3.) 785 Coal Loader Roof. > > > > > ALWAYS looking to buy old orignal Aurora HO Slot Cars in excellent > condition!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23610	From: Fire Wood	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Reading 0-6-0 ???

Someone has messed with the natural order....it ain't right I tell ya..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3111025770&category=487 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23611	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Two-in-One

Ditto [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23612	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Knuckle Coupler Question

They seem to work fine on my layout. I've intermixed American Models, SHelperService & AF cars and all run well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23613	From: dave rowe	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: 695 reverse loop relay

Hello, My name is Dave & I have a 695 relay & I can't find any info as to how it should be wired. Any help would certainly be appreciated. Thanks Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23614	From: ctbigboy	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: American "S" Gauge Track

Now in stock, sectional 10" straight, 19" radius curve, (same radius as original AF) 27" radius curve, and 60" long flex-track sections. http://www.classictrains.com Nick Mescher Classic Trains American "S" Gauge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23615	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Knuckle Coupler Question

I have noticed that some SHS couplers will not always close well with AF couplers. This is more true with LTI and SHS. Seems to be a tolerance issue relative to distance from close knuckle to throat. The throat contacts one knuckle latches it and bottoms out while the other knuckle doesn't get closed to the latch point . I have removed flash in the throat position and this has made it better. Then there is the height issue with uncouplers. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Paul4Schil@...> To: <lep@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Knuckle Coupler Question > They seem to work fine on my layout. I've intermixed American Models, > SHelperService & AF cars and all run well. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23616	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Pykemaster track

May put up a circle for my friends grandson, because it will not take much space. Can't find my track pins. Is there some kind of metal shim that can be picked up at Home Depot that can be used. Thanks Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23617	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: electronics in trains

Tom Jarcho, in a stroke of brilliance, says: >I am intrigued by the idea of putting bar codes under trains, and using bar >code readers as specific train detection devices. In connection with a >computer and DCC, all sorts of sequences could be programmed, from station >announcements to a train's route. You could even program your computer to >record the operating moves you make, and store and repeat them. YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! (My shortest post yet) Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23618	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Connectors For Pikemaster Track & Kudos to David Avedesian

I had a similar problem, trying to use a Pikemaster 90 degree "crossing" unit (hopefully this won't ignite the previous discussion about "crossover v. crossing") with American Models track. Although I ended up reworking the unit with brass stock (see below), in the course of pursuing various options, I focused on the pins SHelperService uses to connect their new Code 155 track to American Flyer. I didn't come up with a solution but it seemed to offer possibilities. BTW, the crossover unit was successfully completed this week thanks to the outstanding work/effort of David Avedesian. His use of brass stock, the next generation CA and outstanding general modeling skills produced a gem I'll be incorporating in my layout soonest. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23619	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Thomas The Tank Engine in "S" - Blatant Ad

A new supply of Thomas the Tank Engine in AC or DC is leaving the factory on Monday. Enen a few Percys, I understand. Should have them by the end of the week. Will run on any S gauge track. They sold out in 3 days at Christmas. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23620	From: trzp1800	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: 695 reverse loop relay

Hi Dave: Check out Carl's S-Gauge Empire, http://www.tuveson.com/ In the Hints & Tips section, near the bottom of the list, you'll find a Flyer instruction manual that shows how to hook up the 698 reverse loop kit. Hope this helps. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "dave rowe" <Runtro66@b...> wrote: I have a 695 relay & I can't find any info as to how it should be wired. Any help would certainly be appreciated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23621	From: AF336	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: 21808

Could someone enlighten me about this auction? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3111392116 Makes me wonder if I committed a cardinal sin I purchased a 21801/21801-1 set and when I got them I don't think either one had been run. The wheels were tarnished and it was hard to tell. The powered one has the typical crack at the screw, but the dummy does not. Additionally the crack in the powered one is not separated or open. When I got this home I promptly lubricated the axles, polished the wheels and lubed the motor, and it runs like a clock. Am I messing up by playing with these? I mean the lists I have looked at show the 21808 as being of less value than the 21801. Maybe I should look at lists and just ply with my trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23622	From: firex43	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: AF 5 Digit NP Passenger Cars

WTB: AF NP Passenger cars as follows: 24843, 24846, 24849 & 24853. Thank you, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23623	From: trainman634	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Best Running Engine

What is the best running American Flyer engine Lionel has made?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23624	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Connectors For Pikemaster Track & Kudos to David Avedesian

Any pics? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul4Schil@... To: aztecfan@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Connectors For Pikemaster Track & Kudos to David Avedesian I had a similar problem, trying to use a Pikemaster 90 degree "crossing" unit (hopefully this won't ignite the previous discussion about "crossover v. crossing") with American Models track. Although I ended up reworking the unit with brass stock (see below), in the course of pursuing various options, I focused on the pins SHelperService uses to connect their new Code 155 track to American Flyer. I didn't come up with a solution but it seemed to offer possibilities. BTW, the crossover unit was successfully completed this week thanks to the outstanding work/effort of David Avedesian. His use of brass stock, the next generation CA and outstanding general modeling skills produced a gem I'll be incorporating in my layout soonest. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23625	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: 21808

Hi, IMHO (so as not to blur opinion with fact): If you buy something in mint condition and run it, it will devalue the piece. If you are a collector and have your fun with it by putting it up on a pedestal and ogling it, or are extremely concerned about it's resale value, then don't run it. If you don't care much about the above and want to have your fun with it by running it, then do so - respectfully. It's pretty much that simple. Either way, I sincerely hope it brings you much joy. If it does, you are in the right hobby. IMHO, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: AF336 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 21808 Could someone enlighten me about this auction? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3111392116 Makes me wonder if I committed a cardinal sin I purchased a 21801/21801-1 set and when I got them I don't think either one had been run. The wheels were tarnished and it was hard to tell. The powered one has the typical crack at the screw, but the dummy does not. Additionally the crack in the powered one is not separated or open. When I got this home I promptly lubricated the axles, polished the wheels and lubed the motor, and it runs like a clock. Am I messing up by playing with these? I mean the lists I have looked at show the 21808 as being of less value than the 21801. Maybe I should look at lists and just ply with my trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23626	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: 695 reverse loop relay

Dave: the next issue of S Gaugian, Mar-Apr, should contain my Roundhouse column about the 695 reverse loop relay. It includes a schematic and wiring diagrams. Original instructions can be found in the later Gilbert instruction booklet. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23627	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Best Running Engine

In a message dated 02/01/2003 4:01:22 PM Mountain Standard Time, carl4260@... writes: > What is the best running American Flyer engine Lionel has made? > My best running ones are the NP Alco and The NP Geep. Both awesome. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23628	From: AF336	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Best Running Engine

Well I haven't operated them all, but... I have: 48350 B&M GP-7 48100/48101 Wabash A-A PA set 48651/48003 SF GP-20 + the non-powered dummy 8458 Southern GP-9 6-48023 Santa Fe Merger GP-9 8552 NYC GP-9 48005 Pennsy GP-9 48013 Conrail GP-7 48014 Nortern Pacific GP-9 48153/8154/8155 B&O A-A PA set with B unit 48114/48115/48116 Northern Pacific ABA 48000/8002 Southern Pacific + the non-powered dummy 48009 GM GP-7 8459/8460 Chessie GP-20 + the non-powered dummy 48126/48127 Silver Flash A-A set 8102/8103 Chesapeake and Ohio A-A PA set. 48017 Nickle Plate Road GP-9 Powered + dummy All the Geeps look to me like they have the same guts, but for some reason my SF unit is the smoothest. (I haven't actually ran all of them and haven't pulled the shells off, but you can see quite a bit without taking them apart) Of the Alco units The B&O set is the smoothest stopping and starting, but this is the old flyer style motor. Of the can motor Alco units The Northern Pacific is the smoothest (they both feel good when I use my variac/transformer combo rather than my 30B) basically a PA is a PA with the exception of the B&O and a geep is a geep. I think making sure nothing is binding in the gear train, that the can motors are run-in properly and that the nylon worm is not split is the biggest difference. Hmmm....after making this list I am thinking I need to sell some things.....No wonder I am broke. ----- Original Message ----- From: <carl4260@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 3:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Best Running Engine > What is the best running American Flyer engine Lionel has made? > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23629	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Best Running Engine

In a message dated 2/1/03 6:01:21 PM, carl4260@... writes: << What is the best running American Flyer engine Lionel has made? >> PAs: 8153/54/55 B&O (smoothest runner, not best puller) GP: #48009 "AF". IME, RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23630	From: trainstuffllc	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: New Pennsy Standard Structures

We released two new Pennsy structures at the Springfield Show today. Standard Pennsy Tool House and a Standard Pennsy Scale House. These were released in N, HO, S O & G. Preliminary photos can be seen on the New Releases Page at www.trainstuffllc.com Dayna Warner CEO Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23631	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: 21808 on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3111392116 The 355, 21801, and the 21801-1 Baldwins,..are painted green, or green plastic. TM/Greenberg don't mention a choice on the 21808. Anyone know? Painted or green plastic?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23632	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Fwd: (no subject)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23633	From: TCS	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

736 Soo Line 3 bay open hopper. 12-66 737 Soo Line 4 bay open hopper. 4-65 738 Soo Line 4 bay open hopper. 12-67 739 Soo Line ballast car. 3-68 740 MP 4740 cuft covered hopper. 3-70. Has the modern screaming eagle buzzsaw logo. 741 MP 4740 cuft covered hopper. 6-70. Has the 2 foot Missouri Pacific Lines logo. 742 MP 4740 cuft covered hopper. 9-70. Has the 2 foot CE&I logo. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.25. S & O scale retail price $6.50. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $6.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/ --- ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23634	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] 21808 on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3111392116 I asked... **((The 355, 21801, and the 21801-1 Baldwins,..are painted green, or green plastic. TM/Greenberg don't mention a choice on the 21808. Anyone know? Painted or green plastic??))** The seller informs me that he is pretty sure it is un-painted green plastic. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23635	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Re: Reading 0-6-0 ???

Ol' Firewood has seen a hybrid on E-Bay and it upset him: > Someone has messed with the natural order....it ain't > right I tell ya..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3111025770&category=487 Well, this here engine was part of a set marketed by a supermarket chain in the '60's. It was uncatalogued and included three extremely rare store imprinted cars, the Ann Page reefer, the Bocar boxcar and the Eight O'Clock Coffee hopper. The company was A&P, also known as The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company of New York. They were once a giant national chain but have since gone out of business. The engine was a specially built hybrid, for this set, by Gilbert. Even in this shape, it's a rarity of the first magnitude. I wrote an article two years ago about this set for the April issue of CTT. Check it out. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23636	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Pike's Peak peak price picques probe.

Please help me to understand this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3111384190 This is a Pike's Peak coach in red, 5 digit, currently bid up to $811.00. No, not Lira. Not Yen. DOLLARS! What am I missing here? The Grand Canyon business car is up to $350. Gee, for only $1161.00 plus shipping, I can own two old plastic S-gauge toy passenger cars. Or, I could by two complete 7 car sets with engine from AM and get change. The guy who buys this will never get his money back for it. That has got to be the peak price any piker ever paid. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23637	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/1/2003
Subject: Help me to understand...

Chris: I certainly don't have all the answers, and the older I get I think maybe I have none of the answers. But in trying to answer YOUR question: sounds to me like a case of a seller and a buyer agreeing on the value of two items. The definition of the value of an item is: What a seller is willing to accept and what a buyer is willing to pay. Period and end of story. And IMHO, what you are missing is the frenzy of the auction place. Happens all the time at live auctions. I remember seeing a guy pay $20 at auction for used metal shelves, when he could have gotten the same thing, only new, for $8 at the local Wal-Mart. And I have to tell you, if I had lots more money, I would advertise in the train magazines for new, in the box items, pay whatever the seller wanted, and go home happy. It's all relative, and only money. If you've got it, spend it. Respectfully, Roy Inman :) Please help me to understand this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3111384190 This is a Pike's Peak coach in red, 5 digit, currently bid up to $811.00. No, not Lira. Not Yen. DOLLARS! What am I missing here? The Grand Canyon business car is up to $350. Gee, for only $1161.00 plus shipping, I can own two old plastic S-gauge toy passenger cars. Or, I could by two complete 7 car sets with engine from AM and get change. The guy who buys this will never get his money back for it. That has got to be the peak price any piker ever paid. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23638	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: hobby shop

I buy ALL my SHS and AM S scale trains via the method listed below. I HOPE that this is beneficial to the manufacturers in the long run, even though in the short run they get less money from me cuz they share the purchase price with hobby shop. I started doing this many years ago. I can't prove cause-effect, however the shop now stocks a small amount of both AM and SHS. Ted Larson Superbowl The Daytona 500 of football >>>>>>>Subject: Planting the S Seed in Hobby Shops. To that I'd add another suggestion. Next time you're going to a hobby shop, take a S scale manufacturer's catalogue with you and ask the hobby shop to order an item for you. You may get a discount, you may not. The shop may hide the item in the back until you pick it up or they may put it out front. But, no matter what, you've linked up an S scale manufacturer with a hobby shop - something they both need to stay in business and something which ultimately will do well for our scale. I've done this with two hobby shopes in my local area and, I hope, have "planted the seed". Paul S.<<<<<<<<< ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23639	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Southwind Models EM-1

Hi All, Please contact me it you have purchased a Southwind Models B&O EM-1. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23640	From: pushpinss	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Cloth wire

Does anyone know were to get the thin cloth covered wire they used in early engines. I need about 100 ft. for a project.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23641	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1751

Pikemaster track pins: I believe there are several places that sell the original package of 12 pins. Check with Doug Peck at Portline hobbies, If he is out of stock I believe I have a few packages in my parts box. My best running (steamer) is a # 310 which I received in "46" and in which I stuck a smoke unit in to the tender in the "50's". Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23642	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Reading 0-6-0 ???

Chris.....You forgot the rare "EXLAX CABOOSE" that went with that set...it really moved....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> To: <fahrwud@...>; "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: Reading 0-6-0 ??? > Ol' Firewood has seen a hybrid on E-Bay and it upset him: > > Someone has messed with the natural order....it ain't > > right I tell ya..... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3111025770&category=487 > > Well, this here engine was part of a set marketed by a supermarket chain in > the '60's. It was uncatalogued and included three extremely rare store > imprinted cars, the Ann Page reefer, the Bocar boxcar and the Eight O'Clock > Coffee hopper. The company was A&P, also known as The Great Atlantic & > Pacific Tea Company of New York. They were once a giant national chain but > have since gone out of business. The engine was a specially built hybrid, > for this set, by Gilbert. Even in this shape, it's a rarity of the first > magnitude. > > I wrote an article two years ago about this set for the April issue of CTT. > Check it out. > > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23643	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Pike's Peak peak price picques probe.

Chris....you are wrong....its up to 931.00...It appears there two bidders determined to outbid each other at any cost....bet it crosses 1000.00....I am tempted to play the snipe game....Try to see how close you can come...BUT STILL LOSE...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Pike's Peak peak price picques probe. > Please help me to understand this: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3111384190 > > This is a Pike's Peak coach in red, 5 digit, currently bid up to $811.00. > No, not Lira. Not Yen. > DOLLARS! What am I missing here? The Grand Canyon business car is up to > $350. Gee, for only $1161.00 plus shipping, I can own two old plastic > S-gauge toy passenger cars. Or, I could by two complete 7 car sets with > engine from AM and get change. > > The guy who buys this will never get his money back for it. That has got to > be the peak price any piker ever paid. > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23644	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 0-6-0 READING ENGINE & 24733 Pikes Peak

Hi Chris, I would like to read your article about the A & P set but CTT is not published in April of any year. I agree with Firewood, Reading never made such an engine and I doubt that the A.C Gilbert Company did either. A.C. was dead when that "thing" was built. At $16.50 you have an Atlantic Shell, a Pacific Chassis and no tender. About the 24733 Pikes Peak. It is currently worth, according to Greenberg, over $400 in excellent condition so $800 isn't much if you have the money. Glenn ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 00:02:55 -0500 From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> Subject: re: Reading 0-6-0 ??? Ol' Firewood has seen a hybrid on E-Bay and it upset him: >Someone has messed with the natural order....it ain't >right I tell ya..... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3111025770&category=487 Well, this here engine was part of a set marketed by a supermarket chain in the '60's. It was uncatalogued and included three extremely rare store imprinted cars, the Ann Page reefer, the Bocar boxcar and the Eight O'Clock Coffee hopper. The company was A&P, also known as The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company of New York. They were once a giant national chain but have since gone out of business. The engine was a specially built hybrid, for this set, by Gilbert. Even in this shape, it's a rarity of the first magnitude. I wrote an article two years ago about this set for the April issue of CTT. Check it out. Chris Zizzo __________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 23:23:53 -0600 From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Help me to understand... Chris: I certainly don't have all the answers, and the older I get I think maybe I have none of the answers. But in trying to answer YOUR question: sounds to me like a case of a seller and a buyer agreeing on the value of two items. The definition of the value of an item is: What a seller is willing to accept and what a buyer is willing to pay. Period and end of story. And IMHO, what you are missing is the frenzy of the auction place. Happens all the time at live auctions. I remember seeing a guy pay $20 at auction for used metal shelves, when he could have gotten the same thing, only new, for $8 at the local Wal-Mart. And I have to tell you, if I had lots more money, I would advertise in the train magazines for new, in the box items, pay whatever the seller wanted, and go home happy. It's all relative, and only money. If you've got it, spend it. Respectfully, Roy Inman :) Please help me to understand this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3111384190 This is a Pike's Peak coach in red, 5 digit, currently bid up to $811.00. No, not Lira. Not Yen. DOLLARS! What am I missing here? The Grand Canyon business car is up to $350. Gee, for only $1161.00 plus shipping, I can own two old plastic S-gauge toy passenger cars. Or, I could by two complete 7 car sets with engine from AM and get change. The guy who buys this will never get his money back for it. That has got to be the peak price any piker ever paid. Chris Zizzo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23645	From: theheadliner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 21808 on ebay

Rick, I have 2 of them, they are green plastic. Jerry Hiett Rick Evans writes: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3111392116 > > I asked... > **((The 355, 21801, and the 21801-1 Baldwins,..are painted green, or green plastic. TM/Greenberg don't mention a choice on the 21808. Anyone know? Painted or green plastic??))** > > > The seller informs me that he is pretty sure it is un-painted green plastic. > > Rick. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email at http://quickmail.quickhosts.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23646	From: theheadliner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Cloth wire

I haven bought any from these guys, I have a large supply from old days, but these guys have it listed http://www.magnetoparts.com/wire.htm http://www.angela.com/catalog/wire-and-solder/Angela_Vintage_Cloth.html http://www.radiodaze.com/wire.htm http://shop.store.yahoo.com/triodeel/wire.html http://www.oldradiodays.com/ Jerry ====================== pushpinss <pushpinss@...> writes: > Does anyone know were to get the thin cloth covered wire they used in > early engines. I need about 100 ft. for a project. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email at http://quickmail.quickhosts.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23647	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 0-6-0 READING ENGINE & 24733 Pikes Peak

Hey...I have A rare April issue...somewhere...First 100,000 Takes it...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 0-6-0 READING ENGINE & 24733 Pikes Peak > Hi Chris, > > I would like to read your article about > the A & P set but CTT is not published in > April of any year. I agree with Firewood, > Reading never made such an engine and I > doubt that the A.C Gilbert Company did either. > A.C. was dead when that "thing" was built. > At $16.50 you have an Atlantic Shell, a Pacific > Chassis and no tender. > > About the 24733 Pikes Peak. It is currently worth, > according to Greenberg, over $400 in excellent > condition so $800 isn't much if you have the money. > > Glenn > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 00:02:55 -0500 > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> > Subject: re: Reading 0-6-0 ??? > > Ol' Firewood has seen a hybrid on E-Bay and it upset him: > > >Someone has messed with the natural order....it ain't > >right I tell ya..... > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3111025770&category=487 > > Well, this here engine was part of a set marketed by a supermarket chain in > the '60's. It was uncatalogued and included three extremely rare store > imprinted cars, the Ann Page reefer, the Bocar boxcar and the Eight O'Clock > Coffee hopper. The company was A&P, also known as The Great Atlantic & > Pacific Tea Company of New York. They were once a giant national chain but > have since gone out of business. The engine was a specially built hybrid, > for this set, by Gilbert. Even in this shape, it's a rarity of the first > magnitude. > > I wrote an article two years ago about this set for the April issue of CTT. > Check it out. > > > Chris Zizzo > __________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 23:23:53 -0600 > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Help me to understand... > > Chris: > I certainly don't have all the answers, and the older I get I think maybe I > have none of the answers. > But in trying to answer YOUR question: sounds to me like a case of a seller > and a buyer agreeing on the value of two items. > The definition of the value of an item is: What a seller is willing to > accept and what a buyer is willing to pay. Period and end of story. > And IMHO, what you are missing is the frenzy of the auction place. Happens > all the time at live auctions. I remember seeing a guy pay $20 at auction > for used metal shelves, when he could have gotten the same thing, only new, > for $8 at the local Wal-Mart. > And I have to tell you, if I had lots more money, I would advertise in the > train magazines for new, in the box items, pay whatever the seller wanted, > and go home happy. > It's all relative, and only money. If you've got it, spend it. > Respectfully, > Roy Inman :) > > Please help me to understand this: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3111384190 > > This is a Pike's Peak coach in red, 5 digit, currently bid up to $811.00. > No, not Lira. Not Yen. > DOLLARS! What am I missing here? The Grand Canyon business car is up to > $350. Gee, for only $1161.00 plus shipping, I can own two old plastic > S-gauge toy passenger cars. Or, I could by two complete 7 car sets with > engine from AM and get change. > > The guy who buys this will never get his money back for it. That has got to > be the peak price any piker ever paid. > > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23648	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Re More cutting up....

BTW...Guys...when I get around to unpacking one of the Garage boxes I will post a picture of My 2 - 6 - 2 Flyer engine ( Made from an Atlantic, Pacific nose, Etc...Looks nice ) I have also seen A 4 - 6 - 0 made from an Atlantic....Its fun to cut up this stuff....At least it was back in the late 80'3 when Atlantics and Pacifics were less than 10.00...I even have A Bakers Choc. tank car somewhere with broken steps and A tender....i was going to cut both up to make A SP Oil tender....Did some cutting....its somewhere yet too...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 0-6-0 READING ENGINE & 24733 Pikes Peak > Hi Chris, > > I would like to read your article about > the A & P set but CTT is not published in > April of any year. I agree with Firewood, > Reading never made such an engine and I > doubt that the A.C Gilbert Company did either. > A.C. was dead when that "thing" was built. > At $16.50 you have an Atlantic Shell, a Pacific > Chassis and no tender. > > About the 24733 Pikes Peak. It is currently worth, > according to Greenberg, over $400 in excellent > condition so $800 isn't much if you have the money. > > Glenn > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 00:02:55 -0500 > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> > Subject: re: Reading 0-6-0 ??? > > Ol' Firewood has seen a hybrid on E-Bay and it upset him: > > >Someone has messed with the natural order....it ain't > >right I tell ya..... > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3111025770&category=487 > > Well, this here engine was part of a set marketed by a supermarket chain in > the '60's. It was uncatalogued and included three extremely rare store > imprinted cars, the Ann Page reefer, the Bocar boxcar and the Eight O'Clock > Coffee hopper. The company was A&P, also known as The Great Atlantic & > Pacific Tea Company of New York. They were once a giant national chain but > have since gone out of business. The engine was a specially built hybrid, > for this set, by Gilbert. Even in this shape, it's a rarity of the first > magnitude. > > I wrote an article two years ago about this set for the April issue of CTT. > Check it out. > > > Chris Zizzo > __________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 23:23:53 -0600 > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Help me to understand... > > Chris: > I certainly don't have all the answers, and the older I get I think maybe I > have none of the answers. > But in trying to answer YOUR question: sounds to me like a case of a seller > and a buyer agreeing on the value of two items. > The definition of the value of an item is: What a seller is willing to > accept and what a buyer is willing to pay. Period and end of story. > And IMHO, what you are missing is the frenzy of the auction place. Happens > all the time at live auctions. I remember seeing a guy pay $20 at auction > for used metal shelves, when he could have gotten the same thing, only new, > for $8 at the local Wal-Mart. > And I have to tell you, if I had lots more money, I would advertise in the > train magazines for new, in the box items, pay whatever the seller wanted, > and go home happy. > It's all relative, and only money. If you've got it, spend it. > Respectfully, > Roy Inman :) > > Please help me to understand this: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3111384190 > > This is a Pike's Peak coach in red, 5 digit, currently bid up to $811.00. > No, not Lira. Not Yen. > DOLLARS! What am I missing here? The Grand Canyon business car is up to > $350. Gee, for only $1161.00 plus shipping, I can own two old plastic > S-gauge toy passenger cars. Or, I could by two complete 7 car sets with > engine from AM and get change. > > The guy who buys this will never get his money back for it. That has got to > be the peak price any piker ever paid. > > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23649	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Connectors For Pikemaster Track & Kudos to David Avedesian

Unfortunately not. I'm terrible at pictures. If I get a chance, I might take it back to David and ask him to take one with his digital camera. He apparently has gotten quite good at it. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23650	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Dave Garber

I have just received this extremely sad news about Dave Garber. Please keep him and his family in your prayers. Joe <Dear Joseph, thank you for the letters to David in <the past. He is dying of cancer and has only a few <weeks left, could you please take his name off your <mailing list. Thank you again, Norma Garber ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23651	From: AF336	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: 20176 set contents.

Could one of you fellers with a book showing set contents let me know what the 20176 consists of.........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23652	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Details of AF Engins - Steam Specifically

I have the TM Books & Video AF Price Guide, but where can I find further details of the construction of various items? Background in less than 1000 words: I've had many scales over the years. I am going to settle on AF for my main layout - 22 x 28 modeling a bit of the city I live in - and then host operating sessions to promote family activities and less TV watching! As for AF, I started out by being given oh maybe 15 year ago an 300AC and the cars that matched it - link couplers - from a dealer friend of ours who was getting out of the antique toy business. They had just thrown all of their track away... so I had to go searching for some. I didn't get much more than that... and due to not seeing it much was headed for building the above layout in O scale, except my wife did a bit of looking around and suggested I stick to my convictions of S / AF as she thought there is enough around yet to build my layout... and so the collecting has started! The 300AC never worked really well, even after having our high quality local train store rebuild it. Reverse unit probs, link couplers, etc... But that was all I had to go on for AF performance. Recently from the same store I acquired a 343 and 332AC converted to knuckle along with a nice set of rolling stock. After cleaning both E units, I am absolutely shocked at how well the perform. The 332 doesn't even have a pull-mor power drive, and it can pull every knuckle coupler car I have! Reverse units work very well - 343 gets a bit magnatized so I need to work on that a bit. Quality wise, I'm thinking these two engins represent some of AF's best engineering... where the 300AC was the low end model. The tenders are cast vs plastic or stamped tin. Everything about them is well done. The 343 with working coupler on both ends - will be great in the switch yard. So where I can find out more about all of the models that exist? How can I tell what steam engins have cast tenders vs plastic or stamped tin? How I can tell which are pull-mor? What about the smoke in tender, which ones have whistles, and if they do what unit makes the whistle work? Lots to learn to put together a shopping list. For example right now I have my eye on a good looking 322, but then I'm thinking I might like to go a model or so newer, get a pull-mor moter like the 326 has, but I don't know if I loose the cast tender. Anyway, at the prices things go for these days 1) it will take me a while to save up for each piece and 2) I best get the pieces I really want. I think gone are the days of finding the circus set for $25 like is mentioned in the second TM video of AF. Lucky to find a pair of 720's for that price! Oh, I'm thinking of modeling the layout with the RRTrack.com software. Looks to be the best one out there for designing stick track layouts. Anyone have a better one to suggest? TIA for help researching! Michael Lueck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23653	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Pike's Peak peak price picques probe.

***(((Please help me to understand this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3111384190 This is a Pike's Peak coach in red, 5 digit, currently bid up to $811.00. DOLLARS! What am I missing here? The Grand Canyon business car is up to $350. Gee, for only $1161.00 plus shipping, I can own two old plastic S-gauge toy passenger cars. Or, I could by two complete 7 car sets with engine from AM and get change. The guy who buys this will never get his money back for it. That has got to be the peak price any piker ever paid.)))*** I wondered the same thing Chris!! Is it because it is a five digit coach?? The silhouettes?? I guess my 652 PIKES PEAK ain't worth a hoot! Only three digits, link couplers, and no silhouettes!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23654	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: '59 El Camino

I hastened down to K-Mart to seek the Ford utility pickup reported recently on the list. I did not find it, BUT I found a Hot Wheels product, '59 El Camino, VERY NICE (if you ignore the toy wheels). The vehicle has good detail, and scales out to 6' wide with my S scale rule, and also matches the size of my RC '61 Chev. This is not a routine $1 toy, but rather a $2.99 special edition; "Petersen's Custom Classic Trucks" series. The back of the packaging states that there is also a '70 El Camino, '59 Chev Apache, and '56 Ford. I did not see any of these, nor did I find any of them in the Hot Wheels website. However, go to Ebay and type Hot Wheels El Camino into the search engine to see photos. Note that my packaging does not look the same as what is on the the Ebay website. There are also photos of the Apache on Ebay. I did NOT find a listing for the K-Mart Ford utility truck. Ted Larson One step closer to Nerd-hood, Now on DSL ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23655	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Diesel horn generator/horn question

I have a few diesel horn units and a air chime whistle,....how does one hook one up to a trannie to test it?? They have the usual black, red, yellow, and green wires. I've seen the instructions showing the FOUR wire hook-up,....I'm not sure I understand WHY the four wires. I'm not quite sure what all these horn/whistles do!! Thanks! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23656	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: '59 El Camino

**(( BUT I found a Hot Wheels product, '59 El Camino, VERY NICE (if you ignore the toy wheels). The vehicle has good detail, and scales out to 6' wide with my S scale rule, and also matches the size of my RC '61 Chev. This is not a routine $1 toy, but rather a $2.99 special edition;))*** Yep Ted,..the HW '59 is very tempting!! I have the HW '59 El Camino W/Crackerbox boat and trailer. Haven't used it with my trains yet,...still in it's display case. I'll keep my eye out for more of the '59 Ford Utility truck!! I do have a photo of the HW Chevy P/U with the Crackerbox boat and trailer,....(had it on last Spring's layout)... ...in my photo album..... http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album31 Hope that works!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23657	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 2, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23658	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 20176 set contents.

20176.........21801, 24103, 24403, 24309, 24603, 16 CURVE, 6 STRAIGHT, 22004, 26690, 748.....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "AF336" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 20176 set contents. > Could one of you fellers with a book showing set contents let me know what > the 20176 consists of......... > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23659	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

In a message dated 02/02/2003 5:03:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > Will someone on AOL 8.0 that is successful at getting on chat please contact me with how they do it. It's been a long dry spell. Thanks....Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23660	From: AF336	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 20176 set contents.

Thx for the response on the set contents. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "AF336" <AF336@...> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 20176 set contents. > 20176.........21801, 24103, 24403, 24309, 24603, 16 CURVE, 6 STRAIGHT, > 22004, 26690, 748.....Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AF336" <AF336@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 6:50 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] 20176 set contents. > > > > Could one of you fellers with a book showing set contents let me know what > > the 20176 consists of......... > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23661	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: David Garber

Norma & David Garber are heading for some uneven rails. They are very generous people, please keep them in your thoughts. if you want to send a card... David & Norma Garber 80 Carpenter Rd. Manchester CT 06040-2217 ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23662	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Diesel horn generator/horn question

Black to base post on transformer Red to 7-15V variable post on transformer Yellow to fixed 15V post on transformer Green to 7-15V variable rail on track Another black wire from base post on transformer to base rail on track Rick Evans wrote: > > I have a few diesel horn units and a air chime whistle,....how does one hook one > up to a trannie to test it?? They have the usual black, red, yellow, and green wires. I've seen the instructions > showing the FOUR wire hook-up,....I'm not sure I understand WHY the four wires. I'm not quite sure > what all these horn/whistles do!! > > Thanks! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23663	From: pianoman4jesus	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@a... wrote: > Will someone on AOL 8.0 that is successful at getting on chat please contact > me with how they do it. It's been a long dry spell. From what I can see it seems to be a bad night for the Net. www.s-scale.org was up a while ago (6:00 EST) but is now unreachable. And through the list owner added me to this list, I still receive no messages... so I'm using the web interface to the list to even see this and respond. Ah well, back to other tasks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23664	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

Sorry, guys - Yohoo decided you don't exist tonight. "Page expired." I'll try later. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, February 2, 2003 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23665	From: Runtro66	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: 695 reverse loop relay

I need a wiring diagram for the 695 loop relay. Thanks Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23666	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Can't get there!! Sunday Chat

www.s-scale.org 5:25 here in Calif......I can't get to chat,.....page won't load!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23667	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Pike's Peak peak price picques probe.

In a message dated 2/2/03 6:26:58 PM, comic@... writes: << This is a Pike's Peak coach in red, 5 digit, currently bid up to $811.00. DOLLARS! What am I missing here? The Grand Canyon business car is up to $350. Gee, for only $1161.00 plus shipping, I can own two old plastic S-gauge toy passenger cars. Or, I could by two complete 7 car sets with engine from AM and get change. >> Five digit Gilbert heavyweights are very tough to come by and command a premium from collectors. Although extreme, I saw a nice 24733 go at York pretty quickly for nearly $900 two Yorks ago. The 900 series heavyweights are fairly desirable, as well, and the 978 operating brakeman Grand Canyon is really quite unique. No one has reproduced them. One can buy all of the AM heavyweights one wishes, but, sadly, they are still decidedly inferior to the vintage Gilberts. I'd take to operate a string of nice 600 series link coupler heavyweights any day over the AMs. So there! :-)) RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23668	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Chat is at the old Yahoo site tonite

the s-trains sirte is down go to the yahoo site go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/chat

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23669	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat -Alt location

Try the Yahoo Page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/chat --- rkuepper <rkuepper@...> wrote: > Sorry, guys - > > Yohoo decided you don't exist tonight. "Page > expired." I'll try later. > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:02 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > > > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming > event. > > > > Sunday Chat > > > > Date: Sunday, February 2, 2003 > > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > > > This is our weekly chat session. > > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as > your browser. > > 8 PM EST > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23670	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Set contents 5001 T

My turn....I know all the components for the farm...(300 etc).... set....But does anyone know how they were packed?....I assumn the engine came in a wrapper...what about the cars....I have some corragated cardboard which looks right...How was the track packed....loose...plain box....yellow and blue box.....Transformer...boxed or loose....does anyone have A copy or can get a color copy of the two loose flat sheets with the farm equipment...(I have one and all the folded sheets which seperated the loco, cars, track.)...but I am still missing one.....I have 3 Farm sets....all seem to have different contents ....Packing!!!....Thanks....Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23671	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: David Garber

David is dieing of cancer > > > Norma & David Garber are heading for some uneven > > rails. > > They are very generous people, please keep them in > > your thoughts. if you want to send a card... > > David & Norma Garber > > 80 Carpenter Rd. > > Manchester CT 06040-2217 > > > > > > > > ===== > > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > > Photography - Computers - Trains > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23672	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/2/2003
Subject: Re: 0-6-0 READING ENGINE

Glenn Ritter observed: >I would like to read your article about the A & P set but CTT is not published in >April of any year. Oh, yes, Glenn. It was the April First Edition, I'm sure. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23673	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: data Standards

http://www.urbaneagle.com/data/RRstddims.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23674	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: great picyure of an Atlantic

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23675	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: grades chart

http://www.urbaneagle.com/data/RRgrades.html Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23676	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: for you guys who want modern Diesels information

http://www.urbaneagle.com/data/RRdieselchrono.html Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23677	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Fwd: [OSCALEMODELERS] Re: Atlas buying Int/Mt, and R/C GP

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23678	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: want to educate this guy. I sent him some observation, but no web

> --- In OSCALEMODELERS@yahoogroups.com, Jim Wolf > <wjimwolf@y...> wrote: > > I sure hope I'm wrong on this one, but S scale is > > looking like it might be worth a look. > > --- "George Losse <glosse1@c...>" > > > > > > Maybe its time to give S Scale another look! > > > > Wait a minutes guys it can't be that bad. If > you think getting > reasonable models at a good price is bad in O scale > wait till you try > S scale, the selection is much worse and the prices > much higher. > I looked into S a couple years ago and bought a > few S cars and > built a little S track to see how they looked and > ran and my > conclusion is there's no substitue for mass when > trying to duplicate > a train and railroad operations, the best detailed N > scale loco > cannot provide as near a feeling to a real loco as > the worst detailed > O scale loco can, in this situation size does > matter,the rolling > qualities, rolling sounds, slack action, etc. are > all scale > dependent. Although S is 3/4 of O size in length the > apparent > comparison in usefull terms if you hold one of each > is that S is > about 3/8 the size of O, the best comparison cars > were the old > athearn O scale metal boxcars compared to the > similiar S version by > permabuilt, put the same details on both and set > them side by side > and you'll see the difference scale really makes. > I have a few of the newer Atlas cars and they > are all better > detailed than all the old standards such as lobaugh, > walthers, > westbrook, etc that everyone holds in such high > regard. Sure the > atlas cars (as well as the other 3 rail cars such as > weaver, k-line, > and even MTH) are not up to brass quality, but they > are readily > available,sturdy,and common enough to be had on ebay > or swap meets > for prices that allow one to put togther enough cars > to run a > railroad without hurting the wallet too much(or > getting the wife too > pissed off) I've gotten about 60 modern era o scale > cars over the > last couple years, there's now way I could have > found or afforded 60 > similiar S scale cars. > Remember the detail of one car is just that..one > car, a railroad > is so much more dependent on track plan, landscape, > buildings, > operations, etc. that the finer details of that one > car don't much > matter. Anything you build with atlas equipment will > be much better > than anything Frank Ellison or John Allen ever > built.....dave > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23679	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: data Standards

Thanks for identifying the site. I looked it up and found that using the URL http://www.urbaneagle.com/data/ one can access all sorts of railroad data like degrees of curvature, scale rail heights, and other things in addition to grades, rab iron wire sizes, etc. A handy resource. JAMES SLEETH wrote: > > http://www.urbaneagle.com/data/RRstddims.html > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23680	From: Lori	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: florida

My hubby and I are taking a trip to FLorida in the end of May. Are there any train museums/layouts around Orlando,Naples or even as far as Key West? I want to surprise him with some trains preferably s- gauge:)while we are down there, if possible. Thanks Lori

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23681	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: Florida

If you do get to Naples they used to have a couple of Train Shops ... However, you have to got over to Captiva to the "Bubble Room" for dinner/lunch on day. You won't regret it! Ben -My hubby and I are taking a trip to FLorida in the end of May. Are there any train museums/layouts around Orlando,Naples or even as far as Key West? I want to surprise him with some trains preferably s- gauge:)while we are down there, if possible. Thanks Lori

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23682	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Boy am I behind. January 22? I have had only one dealing with Lionel's repair department. I received a tank car with a defective coupler. (The weight was missing.) I contacted Lionel asking for a weight. They wanted to know if I wanted to do the repair myself or have them do it. I have been repairing AF since the 1960s. I thought I could do it. (The coupler was gripped, not that new riveting.) I asked for a weight so I could epoxy it on. They sent two, new complete couplers. Pretty good service, in my book. Thorin ----------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:11:41 -0600 From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Flyonel problems Have a question for those who have (a) purchased Flyonel and (b) who have had problems with the equipment. In trying to resolve the difficulties, how have you handled it? Did you call, fax, email or write Lionel asking for corrections/replacement? Or, did you just disassemble the unit on the kitchen table (thereby voiding the warranty), then whine to the rest of us on the list about how bad this "Lionel junk" is? The one problem I had with a LAF was the paint on my Silver Flash A unit. I contacted Lionel while it was still under warranty. They sent me another unit. Wasn't quite satisfied with it either. So they sent me still another, and it was perfect. I considered that pretty good customer service. Sure, it should have been perfect right out of the box, but the outcome was the same. Cheers :) Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23683	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Mt. St. Helen's car

Dear Al: As with everything, price is determined by what someone will pay for it. As I posted a couple of weeks ago to the list in general: "How much do you want for yours?" I hereby bid $75.00. Thorin Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:27:27 -0500 From: Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@...> Subject: Lionel + <snip> I sent a message several posts ago asking about info Dan Olson's MT ST Helens Hopper Car. The one I have is in the original box stamped on the end with St Helens and on the inside flaps with Dan Olson information. This one doesn't have the bottle of ash, but instead has a load insert with the ash glued on it. It is shown in the Greenberg's Book about variations with no load just the open hopper and a bottle of ash. Anyone have any thoughts on it's value today ? Thanks AL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23684	From: Neil A Becker	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: LTI Engine Service - followup

First let me thank all who replied to my original post and to the thread it created. I contacted Lionel customer service through their web site and here is the response I received to my message: >I'm sorry, but Lionel only does warranty work at the factory. Call 800-454-6635 for Hobby stores near you. Thank you E-mail from Website 02-Feb-03 02:52 PM Comments: I have a Lionel manufactured American Flyer Erie 8251 diesel engine. It functions poorly. Is there a way you can repair it to excellent running condition? Component/motor replacement is acceptable. What cost? Where to ship? Thanks. > At least I got a prompt reply. Should I take them to a Hobby Shop or can one of us help me out? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23685	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: THANK YOU!!!

To Don, Ron, John, Doug, Sam, Keith, etc. (You know who you are.) THANK YOU for being in S with me. Thorin _______________________________________________________________________ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:02:25 -0500 From: Don Thompson <robin@...> Subject: Re: Flyonel quality Dear Paul, If making money was a criteria for SHS, I think I would have done better getting a job and using the time to pump gas. My partner and I wanted to make S scale trains and that is what we do. Trust me, making money was not a consideration. With about 100X of our market share and the exact same amount of work needed to bring a product to market, to make money I would be making HO. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23686	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Cheap trains

Dick Karnes wrote; > The cost of living has increased by a factor of 7.38 since 1949. (Reference: ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt) That means this set would cost around $295 today. Now look as SHS's four-car set. It has a price tag of $300, essentially the same. And today's level of technology and detail is miles ahead of 1949 AF. < And someone else pointed out that Marx's sets were $10.00. I haven't said this here before but I think there could be a VERY cheap set. Very easily. Amtrak to boot. For the locomotive, use the Genesis as the basis. It would consist of a thick, plastic shell with painted or molded on detail. No 'glass' in the windows. Headlight is not lit. The frame is a chunk of plastic to hold the two trucks. The front truck is an 'all in one' truck like the old HO F-Unit trucks or AHM's O Scale C-Liner truck. This truck will scoot just fine by itself down AF track. The rear truck is an unpowered dummy. Did I mention AF flanges? Couplers are dummies like on an AF 24110 PRR gondola. (In this case take the Pikemaster and make it solid.) The 'train' consists of three passenger cars. They are identical. Again, the shell is one thick, plastic block with painted or molded on detail. No 'glass' in the windows. The cars are not illuminated but they are nicely painted. Talgo mounted dummy couplers (not body mounted). These would be shorties like the AM Budds. Track consists of an oval of track. SHS makes the right stuff. One circle, one straight, and one rerailing / crossing like an AF 728. Anything else must be purchased separately. Minimal power pack. One amp. Make sure there are some hopelessly out-of-scale people for play value. Last, include a bevy of catalogs and other literature from SHS, AM, Portline, NASG, etc. That's the set. Nothing else. Cheap. Simple. ------------------------- Some quick revisions with the older modeler in mind. (i.e. Us!) Make the shells so all detail is painted on ah-la-Marx so they are easy to strip off. Include dimples where the handrails and other details need to go. (I see after market potential here.) Also aftermarket glass for the windows, headlights, illumination kits, etc. Make the Genesis shell scale length. Make the loco and passenger trucks the correct wheelbase. Make the loco and passenger shells as scale as possible (yet still rugged) to increase potential sales. And most of all, make them so they run on DC AF track. (If you have to have AC, make it go forward only.) Thorin P.S. I'll take six sets right now. As the power truck and the dummy are interchangeable, I'll put two power trucks into each, discarding the double-dummies to some kids. I'll pass most of the passenger cars onto the kids. I'll also dissect the power trucks and pull out the wires so I can DCC them. Other power trucks will go under home-brew electrics. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23687	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: How big is a 336

Dear List members: My 336 is packed away. I am sure someone out there an AF 4-8-4 in front of them. How long is the locomotive (in inches) from coupler to coupler? How long is the locomotive's wheelbase. (Front of front truck to rear of rear tender truck.) Again in inches. The results will be entered into my notes for when I order a turntable. (No hurry here. This could be 20 years out.) Thanks! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23688	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Since when is a 4-8-4 a "Challenger?"

Dear List: I don't remember seeing this thread. Why is the AF Northern called a "Challenger" when we all know a Challenger is a 4-6+6-4? (The prototype 4-8-4s are "Northerns" to honor the Northern Pacific -- the first railroad to own this wheel arrangement.) (The first, prototype 4-6+6-4s were built for the UP to head the new passenger train "The Challenger." The "Union Pacific" type was already taken in the 4-12-2.) Was this done to shelter Southerners who might still be fighting the war of 1860 - 1865? Or was this done to "Challenge" the big kid on the block: Lionel? (Please, this not intended to open politics on an old war -- just history of an American Flyer name.) Thorin Marty Milwaukee, WI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23689	From: jackotrains	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Lionel AF Stock Cars

This may have been posted before,but I am fairly new to this forum. Why has Lionel AF not made any stock cars? Did the molds break?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23690	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: how big is a 336/AC

Thorin: The figure that sticks in my mind is 22 inches, from when I built one as a kid. Of course you could get away with less if you jack up the pilot wheels before spinning the loco, as a few rr's actually did. But then, what if Chris Zizzo has his way with the toy train industry and we start getting big steam rtr in S hirail?. Maybe a few extra inches would be a good idea. Now what's this stuff in your other post about giving AC second shrift to DC? Let 'em run in forward,only, huh? Well the heck with that. Operating 2 rail AC is one of the most unique and interesting aspects of Flyer railroading. Using AC, we are able to get better power distribution throughout the layout with a common rail system, and have almost all of the block section wiring controlled by the track switches rather than toggle switches. And that wiring is much simpler, too, as is that for action cars and train stopping accessories. You practically need a computer to wire am automatic reverse loop with DC. DC is actually more appropriate if you are just going to run your trains around ovals in one direction. That's how Gilbert ran the trains at the Hall of Science display! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23691	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: wiring diagram for AF HO (engine 155) needed

Hi guys, Someone sold my 8 year old a nice little switcher at the last TCA meet. All wiring between the tender and the engine is missing. It needs other work as well, but I'd like to get it running for him. Anyone know where a wiring diagram may be? Jacques P.S. Chris Z., my Caig paste arrived today. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23692	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: ERIE upgrade

<<<I have an Erie that has always run poorly and overheats, so I would be interested in what was in the original kits... Of course that assumes that the EE's at Lionel designed the Upgrade correctly... probably will Radio Shack it too...>>> Did I post on this already for nothing? You will find the original instruction sheets for the ERIE upgrade in one of our website clinics, along with a list (and drawings) of the parts that were supplied. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23693	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336

Thorin, As I remember, if you are really precise, you can get the 336 on two pieces of track. The front truck and the trailing tender truck wheels will be just on the edge of the rail end, so at least 22" is needed for a table bridge. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23694	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: L-Flyer Santa Fe

I had an odd thought while surfing ebay and the net in general for 60s era PM Santa Fe hoppers (24225?) and other Flyer santa Fe items. Did ACG or L-Flyer ever make a SF gondola? I don't think ACG did but L-Flyer... Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23695	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336

My Northern fits with room to spare on my Bowser 24" turntable. I can also turn a pair of Alco PA-PBs on it. Carl -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:31 PM To: S-Trains (E-mail); Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How big is a 336 Thorin, As I remember, if you are really precise, you can get the 336 on two pieces of track. The front truck and the trailing tender truck wheels will be just on the edge of the rail end, so at least 22" is needed for a table bridge. S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23696	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: AF Details - Thanks

Just from posting one question email to this list - lots of new contacts, things to research... thanks to all who responded - mostly directly and not to the list. This looks to be a good group to help sort out my ideas and vision for a great educational operating session AF railroad. As the layout project progresses, I promise to document the research, designs, etc... on a web site as yet another available reference resource for the future. As I think forward to all of the questions yet to be answered to make this project a success - such a reference resource will be a great asset for the future of AF. I could rattle off a hundred things easily that someone interest in collecting and operating antique trains should know... many of which I still don't have a good enough answer to - thus I don't feel quotable yet! Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23697	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: AF steam loco details

One thing I would like to see is simple line drawings of each Flyer steam loco type, with all the cast on details correctly named, from lift rings to feedwater heaters. I know quite a few, but there are some things that escape me. This would be a first step toward getting some detail parts . Anyone interested in doing this? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23698	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336

AF catalogs list the 4-8-4 at 21.5" in length. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> wrote: > Dear List members: > My 336 is packed away. I am sure someone out there an AF 4-8- 4 in > front of them. > > How long is the locomotive (in inches) from coupler to coupler? > > How long is the locomotive's wheelbase. (Front of front truck to rear of > rear tender truck.) Again in inches. > > The results will be entered into my notes for when I order a turntable. (No > hurry here. This could be 20 years out.) > Thanks! > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23699	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: F3 B unit

Hi All, Here is another scary question. Does anyone have a Overland/River Raisin "chicken wire" F3 B unit that could be for sale? I would prefer it to be unpainted, and with the new RRM drive in it. Please reply with condition and price. I have the later version, and prefer the chicken wire. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23700	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Chuck Harrington's ACG catalogs on the web

For those of you who have not seen it and those who have not been there lately, Chuck Harrington continues his project to post all the AF catalogs. Look at http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm He has done a great job, but he is still missing some catalogs. If you have one of the catalogs he is missing pitch in and help him add it to his web site. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23701	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Challenger

Union Pacific had a passenger train called the Challenger,sometimes it was pulled by 4-8-4's.Some southern roads{RF&P for one} called their 4-8-4's Dixies for obvious reasons.In one of the Boy's RR Club episodes the 332 is referred to as a "Dixie.Guess this wouldn't be politically correct anymore. Jerry"no center rail"Memmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23702	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Beacon Madness - (Kit) Bashing the mythology...

S-Gaugers, In the spirit of recent kit bashing conversation: We have a Lionel beacon on an AF display set because the original AF one was sort of lame. The vibror motor was a nifty Lionel invention that spun objects much better than convention air heat principle used by Gilbert. Today�s Lionel and MTH Beacons are cheap and with the copious amounts of reproduction AF beacon�s hitting the market (MTH, Gilbert Reproductions, Lionel(?) ... etc) I have begun to think of kit bashing a modern Lionel beacon with a Reproduction AF beacon. So, I have been toying with the idea of converting an AF flyer beacon to have a Lionel top � that is to use the vibror motor and beacon lens unit from Lionel. It would look aesthetically nicer on the set and provide the better performance of a Lionel model. Has anyone done such a conversion or have any comments on the feasibility of the effort? I wish Mike at MTH would have done it for me! Why replicate a pretty poor design... I think there was an April One edition of S Gaugian a few years ago that claimed that such a unit was manufactured by Gilbert as a special for White Tower Hamburgers (home of the slider). This once popular upscale restaurant chain in the North East provided the beacon as part of the Holiday dinner promotional special set. Of course, the famous ��Buy a Turkey Hamburger, get a train� monikered box car also appeared in this rare collectible set. Or was its Whites Auto?... oh well, a minor detail... Unfortunately for Gilbert, the product and the promotional never really caught on. Keep smiling... If you want to get back at me for the above mythology ask me about the Lionel Gabe The Lamplighter I purchased and that am having trouble with � more on that later. Actually its enough trouble to motivate me to buy an MTH reproduction coal loader just to get a high quality quick performing reproduction accessory. Soon we will all lament about the good old days... When the products were made in South Korea at labor rates of 25 cents/hour versus made in the People's Republic of China at labor rates of 25 cents/week... Thanks, Scott Dee _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23703	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap trains

Why not go clock work wind up to really reduce cost ? Advertise it as harkening back to a simplier time... befor electricty complicated our lives... >From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> >To: "S-Scale (E-mail)" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S-Trains (E-mail)" ><S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [S-Trains] Cheap trains >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:23:11 -0600 > >Dick Karnes wrote; > The cost of living has increased by a >factor of 7.38 since 1949. (Reference: >ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt) That means this >set would >cost around $295 today. Now look as SHS's four-car set. It has a >price tag of >$300, essentially the same. And today's level of technology and detail >is miles >ahead of 1949 AF. < > > >And someone else pointed out that Marx's sets were $10.00. > >I haven't said this here before but I think there could be a VERY cheap >set. >Very easily. Amtrak to boot. > >For the locomotive, use the Genesis as the basis. It would consist of a >thick, plastic shell with painted or molded on detail. No 'glass' in the >windows. Headlight is not lit. > The frame is a chunk of plastic to hold the two trucks. > The front truck is an 'all in one' truck like the old HO F-Unit >trucks or AHM's O Scale C-Liner truck. This truck will scoot just fine by >itself down AF track. > The rear truck is an unpowered dummy. Did I mention AF flanges? > Couplers are dummies like on an AF 24110 PRR gondola. (In this case >take the Pikemaster and make it solid.) > >The 'train' consists of three passenger cars. They are identical. Again, >the shell is one thick, plastic block with painted or molded on detail. No >'glass' in the windows. The cars are not illuminated but they are nicely >painted. Talgo mounted dummy couplers (not body mounted). These would be >shorties like the AM Budds. > >Track consists of an oval of track. SHS makes the right stuff. One >circle, >one straight, and one rerailing / crossing like an AF 728. Anything else >must be purchased separately. > >Minimal power pack. One amp. > >Make sure there are some hopelessly out-of-scale people for play value. > >Last, include a bevy of catalogs and other literature from SHS, AM, >Portline, NASG, etc. > >That's the set. Nothing else. Cheap. Simple. > >------------------------- > >Some quick revisions with the older modeler in mind. (i.e. Us!) Make the >shells so all detail is painted on ah-la-Marx so they are easy to strip >off. >Include dimples where the handrails and other details need to go. (I see >after market potential here.) Also aftermarket glass for the windows, >headlights, illumination kits, etc. > Make the Genesis shell scale length. Make the loco and passenger >trucks the correct wheelbase. Make the loco and passenger shells as scale >as possible (yet still rugged) to increase potential sales. > And most of all, make them so they run on DC AF track. (If you have >to have AC, make it go forward only.) > >Thorin > >P.S. I'll take six sets right now. As the power truck and the dummy are >interchangeable, I'll put two power trucks into each, discarding the >double-dummies to some kids. I'll pass most of the passenger cars onto the >kids. > I'll also dissect the power trucks and pull out the wires so I can >DCC them. Other power trucks will go under home-brew electrics. > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23704	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Cheap Trains

How about: Wind up clock work trains that are environmentally correct - the endrosement branding possibilities are endless... Scott Dee _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23707	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/3/2003
Subject: Re: Beacon Madness - (Kit) Bashing the mythology...

Scott, Actually, there IS an ACG vibrator motor version, but pretty rare. It was made for ACG by Colber, and it DOES look a bit "kit-bashed." I have always been forced to admit that the L revolving 494 beacon was better than ACGs, have had one since before I had trains--it was my brothers'! So even as a kid, I preferred the 494--especially when we set up trains in the house, as it was too drafty for the "heat activated" rotators! We used to kid that you could tell the outside wind direction by licking your finger and raising it over your head in the center of the house--and sometimes you really could! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23708	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: The Challenger question

Thorin Marty asked: >Why is the AF Northern called a "Challenger" when we all know a >Challenger is a 4-6+6-4? A good question. For the record, it should be noted that Gilbert did not (repeat) DID NOT call their UP FEF-1 "Little 800" class 4-8-4 steam loco "Challenger." The name "Challenger" was given to the SETS that the loco came with. This is probably because, as someone else already noted, the UP ran a "Challenger" service, and Gilbert sometimes named their sets after designated services that the prototype railroad offered. Gilbert also made sets called "Pacemaker" after the NYC's Pacemaker service, and of course, these sets came with the NYC Hudson steamer. So how did the myth of Gilbert's misnomer begin? Gilbert may have planted the seed for the confusion by the way they listed the locos for separate sale. If you look in a Gilbert catalogue from, say, 1953, on page 40, you'll see the 4-8-4 listed as "No. 336 THE CHALLENGER 4-8-4 LOCOMOTIVE AND TENDER" (caps theirs). It might appear that Gilbert is indeed calling the 4-8-4 a Challenger, but wait... If you check the listing for the Hudson, it says "No. 326 THE PACEMAKER 4-6-4 LOCOMOTIVE AND TENDER." Wa? Pacemaker? When did Gilbert ever call the 4-6-4 a Pacemaker? Nobody has ever accused Gilbert of that, the Hudson has always been known as "Hudson." Wassis "Pacemaker" stuff? Well, Gilbert DID list the Hudson SETS as "The Pacemaker" because the NYC ran a Pacemaker service. What Gilbert was doing was referring the reader to the SETS that the Hudson came in. So "Pacemaker 4-6-4" doesn't mean that Gilbert is calling the Hudson a Pacemaker. Gilbert was saying, "This is the 4-6-4 loco that comes in the Pacemaker set." In the paragraph describing the loco it is correctly referred to as a Hudson. Likewise with the Northern. When Gilbert listed the Northern as a "Challenger 4-8-4" they were saying, "This is the 4-8-4 loco that comes with the Challenger SETS." The loco is described correctly as "This big Northern type loco..." in the paragraph that followed. There was no confusion with the Hudson because the NYC didn't have a Pacemaker class of loco. But since the UP did have a Challenger class loco, many with sloppy reading comprehension confused the loco with the service, and ASSUMED Gilbert had "done a Lionel", leaving a few axles off of their model. But Gilbert always had it right. Omitting axles from steam locos was Lionel's game, not Gilbert's. The real question is; How did this myth go on for so long? I think it endured because many writers of everything from hard-bound books to club newsletters failed to do primary research, and just regurgitated each-other's "data." Poor scholarship is the problem, as well as presumption. Let's not forget, the designers of these "toys" grew up during the steam era. Smitty and his men knew the difference between a 4-8-4 Northern and a 4-6-6-4 Challenger. Gilbert respected his customers enough to believe that THEY might know the difference as well. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23709	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: ERIE upgrade

Hi Doug, Do you offer an Erie upgrade installation service? Do you offer a Dallee E-unit upgrade service for the B & O set? Maybe the guy missed your posting. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peck [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] ERIE upgrade <<<I have an Erie that has always run poorly and overheats, so I would be interested in what was in the original kits... Of course that assumes that the EE's at Lionel designed the Upgrade correctly... probably will Radio Shack it too...>>> Did I post on this already for nothing? You will find the original instruction sheets for the ERIE upgrade in one of our website clinics, along with a list (and drawings) of the parts that were supplied. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ + +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23710	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336

Ok...What is the largest real world turntable ever built? Did they turn the UP Big Boy? Carl -----Original Message----- From: Tim Brown [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 8:26 AM To: 'David Dewey'; S-Trains (E-mail); Marty.Thorin; Carl Tuveson Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How big is a 336 A pair? In other words, the A & B unit only? Ah, but what about an ABA set? Now we're up to about a 36" turntable. And how about a tandem 336? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Tuveson <mailto:carl@...> To: 'David Dewey' <mailto:djdewey@...> ; S-Trains (E-mail) <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> ; Marty.Thorin <mailto:thorin.marty@...> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] How big is a 336 My Northern fits with room to spare on my Bowser 24" turntable. I can also turn a pair of Alco PA-PBs on it. Carl -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:31 PM To: S-Trains (E-mail); Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How big is a 336 Thorin, As I remember, if you are really precise, you can get the 336 on two pieces of track. The front truck and the trailing tender truck wheels will be just on the edge of the rail end, so at least 22" is needed for a table bridge. S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com <http://www.americanflyertrains.com> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... <mailto:s-trains-unsubscribe@...> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com <http://www.americanflyertrains.com> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... <mailto:s-trains-unsubscribe@...> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23711	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Since when is a 4-8-4 a "Challenger?"

Chuck says it well -- >How did this myth go on for so long? I think it >endured because many writers of everything from hard-bound books to >club newsletters failed to do primary research, and just regurgitated >each-others "data." Poor scholarship is the problem, as well as presumption. This was just an early example of the kind of inbred data regeneration that, today, makes the Internet a sewer of incomprehensible nonsense. It works on the principle that if enough people say it and you see it in print, then it must be true. When this sort of thing goes on, go back to the source; in this case, the Flyer catalogs. A post script to this thread would be that "Challenger" was long a Gilbert word. On the early boxes the slogan "Challengers of the Miniature Rails" is imprinted. Gilbert was the challenger, Lionel was the enthroned champion. The Hudson and the Northern were regular production locomotives that replicated their prototypes with a fair amount of faithfulness and Gilbert put them up against all those foreshortened Lionel steamers for the public's comparison. It's not just a coincidence that they were the "Pacemaker" and "Challenger" engines, named after the NYC and UP services. Those names were meant to convey the idea that these toys challenged the old standard and set a new pace in the world of model railroading. And they did. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23712	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: turntablle

Erie Railroad Turntable - Port Jervis, 12771 - (845)858-4017 - Having a diameter of 115 feet and a rail bed of 19 feet, the Historic Erie Turntable is the largest operating turntable in the United States, strategically located to remain usable. The most recent locomotive that was turned on it weighted 440 tons, fully loaded with water and coal. http://www.hvnet.com/TOUR/or/hist/commbldg.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23713	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: You are always behind!

Thorin: Why are you always returning us to weeks old threads? Read yer mail!!! Just thought I'd break your shoes a little. :>) Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23714	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: SHS Open house?

Dear Angelo, Robin has picked the last Friday and Saturday in March (28th & 29th) for the open house. Don Angelo wrote: >Hi Don and Robin, >Your last newsletter mentioned an open house at your warehouse like last >year, but the web site only has 2002 events listed. Any idea when this >year's open house will be ? Thanks. > >Regards, > Angelo > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23715	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Poll results for S-Trains

The following S-Trains poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: What's you favorite S guage track? CHOICES AND RESULTS - Origianal AF Track , 12 votes, 30.00% - S-Trax, 8 votes, 20.00% - S-Trax Flexible, 3 votes, 7.50% - American S , 5 votes, 12.50% - Gargraves, 1 votes, 2.50% - American Models, 10 votes, 25.00% - Other, 1 votes, 2.50% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23716	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336

A pair? In other words, the A & B unit only? Ah, but what about an ABA set? Now we're up to about a 36" turntable. And how about a tandem 336? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Tuveson To: 'David Dewey' ; S-Trains (E-mail) ; Marty.Thorin Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] How big is a 336 My Northern fits with room to spare on my Bowser 24" turntable. I can also turn a pair of Alco PA-PBs on it. Carl -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:31 PM To: S-Trains (E-mail); Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How big is a 336 Thorin, As I remember, if you are really precise, you can get the 336 on two pieces of track. The front truck and the trailing tender truck wheels will be just on the edge of the rail end, so at least 22" is needed for a table bridge. S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23717	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Since when is a 4-8-4 a "Challenger?"

Hi, The misnomer could have also stuck because it's fun to call the 4-8-4 a Challenger. the Hudson already had a name - Hudson (I call it a poor-man's Challenger). Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Since when is a 4-8-4 a "Challenger?" Thorin Marty asked: >Why is the AF Northern called a "Challenger" when we all know a >Challenger is a 4-6+6-4? A good question. For the record, it should be noted that Gilbert did not (repeat) DID NOT call their UP FEF-1 "Little 800" class 4-8-4 steam loco a "Challenger." The name "Challenger" was given to the SETS that the loco came with. This is probably because, as someone else already noted, the UP ran a "Challenger" service, and Gilbert sometimes named their sets after designated services that the prototype railroad offerred. Gilbert also made sets called "Pacemaker" after the NYC's Pacemaker service, and of course, these sets came with the NYC Hudson steamer. So how did the myth of Gilbert's misnomer begin? Gilbert may have planted the seed for the confusion by the way they listed the locos for separate sale. If you look in a Gilbert catalogue from, say, 1953, on page 40, you'll see the 4-8-4 listed as "No. 336 THE CHALLENGER 4-8-4 LOCOMOTIVE AND TENDER" (caps theirs). It might appear that Gilbert is indeed calling the 4-8-4 a Challenger, but wait... If you check the listing for the Hudson, it says "No. 326 THE PACEMAKER 4-6-4 LOCOMOTIVE AND TENDER." Wa? Pacemaker? When did Gilbert ever call the 4-6-4 a Pacemaker? Nobody has ever accused Gilbert of that, the Hudson has always been known as "Hudson." Wassis "Pacemaker" stuff? Well, Gilbert DID list the Hudson SETS as "The Pacemaker" because the NYC ran a Pacemaker service. What Gibert was doing was referring the reader to the SETS that the Hudson came in. So "Pacemaker 4-6-4" doesn't mean that Gilbert is calling the Hudson a Pacemaker. Gilbert was saying, "This is the 4-6-4 loco that comes in the Pacemaker set." In the paragraph describing the loco it is correctly referred to as a "Hudson." Likewise with the Northern. When Gilbert listed the Northern as a "Challenger 4-8-4" they were saying, "This is the 4-8-4 loco that comes with the Challenger SETS." The loco is described correctly as "This big Northern type loco..." in the paragraph that followed. There was no confusion with the Hudson because the NYC didn't have a Pacemaker class of loco. But since the UP did have a Challenger class loco, many with sloppy reading comprehension confused the loco with the service, and ASSUMED Gilbert had "done a Lionel", leaving a few axles off of their model. But Gilbert always had it right. Omitting axles from steam locos was Lionel's game, not Gilbert's. The real question is; How did this myth go on for so long? I think it endured because many writers of everything from hard-bound books to club newsletters failed to do primary research, and just regurgitated each-others "data." Poor scholarship is the problem, as well as presumption. Let's not forget, the designers of these "toys" grew up in the steam era. Smitty and his boys new the difference between a 4- 8-4 Northern and a 4-6-6-4 Challenger. Gilbert respected his customers enough to believe that THEY knew the difference as well. Chuck F. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23718	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Cheap trains

Dear Scott: Clockwork trains might be environmentally friendly but much of model railroad's appeal is the fact that YOU control it. A train must receive its control from a 'control box' and pickup power from the rails to be able to run forever or stop whenever. The 'control box' can be anything from an old AF transformer (great stuff here) through DC to radio control (with or without DCC). I want a CHEAP train to start them. I want it everywhere. I want them to build on this set, year after year. After purchasing my cheapo Genesis set, next year they will purchase an SHS set. I want my cheap TRACK to be comparable and compatible. (The track might be the most valuable item in the box!) Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Scott Davidson [mailto:scottdee25@...] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:28 PM To: thorin.marty@...; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cheap trains Why not go clock work wind up to really reduce cost ? Advertise it as harkening back to a simplier time... befor electricty complicated our lives... >From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> >To: "S-Scale (E-mail)" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S-Trains (E-mail)" ><S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [S-Trains] Cheap trains >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:23:11 -0600 > >Dick Karnes wrote; > The cost of living has increased by a >factor of 7.38 since 1949. (Reference: >ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt) That means this >set would >cost around $295 today. Now look as SHS's four-car set. It has a >price tag of >$300, essentially the same. And today's level of technology and detail >is miles >ahead of 1949 AF. < > > >And someone else pointed out that Marx's sets were $10.00. > >I haven't said this here before but I think there could be a VERY cheap >set. >Very easily. Amtrak to boot. > >For the locomotive, use the Genesis as the basis. It would consist of a >thick, plastic shell with painted or molded on detail. No 'glass' in the >windows. Headlight is not lit. > The frame is a chunk of plastic to hold the two trucks. > The front truck is an 'all in one' truck like the old HO F-Unit >trucks or AHM's O Scale C-Liner truck. This truck will scoot just fine by >itself down AF track. > The rear truck is an unpowered dummy. Did I mention AF flanges? > Couplers are dummies like on an AF 24110 PRR gondola. (In this case >take the Pikemaster and make it solid.) > >The 'train' consists of three passenger cars. They are identical. Again, >the shell is one thick, plastic block with painted or molded on detail. No >'glass' in the windows. The cars are not illuminated but they are nicely >painted. Talgo mounted dummy couplers (not body mounted). These would be >shorties like the AM Budds. > >Track consists of an oval of track. SHS makes the right stuff. One >circle, >one straight, and one rerailing / crossing like an AF 728. Anything else >must be purchased separately. > >Minimal power pack. One amp. > >Make sure there are some hopelessly out-of-scale people for play value. > >Last, include a bevy of catalogs and other literature from SHS, AM, >Portline, NASG, etc. > >That's the set. Nothing else. Cheap. Simple. > >------------------------- > >Some quick revisions with the older modeler in mind. (i.e. Us!) Make the >shells so all detail is painted on ah-la-Marx so they are easy to strip >off. >Include dimples where the handrails and other details need to go. (I see >after market potential here.) Also aftermarket glass for the windows, >headlights, illumination kits, etc. > Make the Genesis shell scale length. Make the loco and passenger >trucks the correct wheelbase. Make the loco and passenger shells as scale >as possible (yet still rugged) to increase potential sales. > And most of all, make them so they run on DC AF track. (If you have >to have AC, make it go forward only.) > >Thorin > >P.S. I'll take six sets right now. As the power truck and the dummy are >interchangeable, I'll put two power trucks into each, discarding the >double-dummies to some kids. I'll pass most of the passenger cars onto the >kids. > I'll also dissect the power trucks and pull out the wires so I can >DCC them. Other power trucks will go under home-brew electrics. > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23719	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336

Dear Carl: Turntables big enough to turn a Big Boy? Oh, yes. These turntables were at Cheyenne, Green River, North Platte, and I am sure a couple more. Not many, but a few. The turntable that was the real determiner for the Union Pacific was for the Challenger. (4-6+6-4). It was the 'big one'. The 800s came after this. Any 4-8-4 with tender could be up to the length of these turntables. So the UP FEF series ended up longer than they need to be because there wasn't any need to shorten them up. Note the size of the Reading T1. It is a 'pocket' Northern when compared to a UP FEF-3 or an SP GS-4. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Carl Tuveson [mailto:Carl@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:22 AM To: 'Tim Brown'; 'David Dewey'; S-Trains (E-mail); Marty.Thorin; Carl Tuveson Subject: RE: [S-Trains] How big is a 336 Ok...What is the largest real world turntable ever built? Did they turn the UP Big Boy? Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23720	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Challenger question

I think that the term "Challenger" for the 4-8-4 came into common use because Dan Olson and his successor Ron Leventon used that name for it in their parts catalogs. For years, before other publications were made available, many people used these catalogs as their main source of exploded views of Flyer locos. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23721	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Recent trip

Hi, My wife & I made a trip to South America recently and I was surprised to see them run their trains around their Christmas trees counterclockwise. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23722	From: trzp1800	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Beacon Madness - (Kit) Bashing the mythology...

Hi Scott: I wouldn't jump on the vibrotor motor wagon if i were you. We have run several of these on our modular layouts at shows and the little feet on the rubber disk do not hold up well under continuous operation. They either bend over or wear down. Seems to me an airport beacon ought to be able to run continuously. Otherwise you're planes will NEVER find the airport. Why not use the ACG and install a low RPM motor under the base with a rod up to the beacon to make it go round. or modify the top to install a little motor up there if you can find one small enough. These will probably be more reliable. Regards, Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@h...> wrote: > S-Gaugers, > > In the spirit of recent kit bashing conversation:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23723	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: How big is a 336

My 332 Northern fits on my Bowser 22" turntable. The engine measures 21 5/8" from the tip of the pilot to the end of the conversion coupler on the back. The wheelbase is 19". "Marty.Thorin" wrote: > > Dear List members: > My 336 is packed away. I am sure someone out there an AF 4-8-4 in > front of them. > > How long is the locomotive (in inches) from coupler to coupler? > > How long is the locomotive's wheelbase. (Front of front truck to rear of > rear tender truck.) Again in inches. > > The results will be entered into my notes for when I order a turntable. (No > hurry here. This could be 20 years out.) > Thanks! > Thorin > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23724	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Beacon Madness - (Kit) Bashing the mythology...

In a message dated 02/04/2003 11:04:48 AM Mountain Standard Time, trzp1800@... writes: > Hi Scott: > I wouldn't jump on the vibrotor motor wagon if i were you. We have > run several of these on our modular layouts at shows and the little > feet on the rubber disk do not hold up well under continuous > operation. They either bend over or wear down. Seems to me an airport > The "ring of feet" are replaceable through "L" and readily available. It is a superior beacon. Steve....S-'n-S Trains.....Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23725	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Recent trip

Trains are supposed to go around in a 'specific' direction??? ---My wife & I made a trip to South America recently and I was surprised to see them run their trains around their Christmas trees counterclockwise. Tim Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23726	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] How big is a 336

Thanks to all that answered my question. Steve's was the most precise. I was just curious because of Doug Peck's turntable. SOMEDAY I hope to have an engine servicing facility on and eight foot modules, 30 inches deep. (I can do this because they are modules they can be of an earlier era than 2003.) Within this complex I wish a turntable I can turn my 336. This module idea is developed enough that I have started collecting parts. But nothing is fixed until I start building. (Plus where am I going to put it?) Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Boss31@... [mailto:Boss31@...] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:43 PM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How big is a 336 21 3/4 inches front to rear 19 5/8 inches Steve _____________________________________________ In a message dated 02/03/2003 4:05:11 PM Mountain Standard Time, thorin.marty@... writes: Dear List members: My 336 is packed away. I am sure someone out there an AF 4-8-4 in front of them. How long is the locomotive (in inches) from coupler to coupler? How long is the locomotive's wheelbase. (Front of front truck to rear of rear tender truck.) Again in inches. The results will be entered into my notes for when I order a turntable. (No hurry here. This could be 20 years out.) Thanks! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23727	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Recent trip

Really...Trains run both directions.....They usually follow the right hand rule....Some rr's are and exception....With toy trains you should reverse the running direction from time to time....While I haven't noticed any abnormal wear on "S" trains I have noticed that "G" trains Will Wear Out Their Wheels if only run in one direction due to the friction caused when the outer or inner wheel skids when a curve is encountered....I have done several store layouts that run around the ceiling....I always reccommend that they reverse all equipment monthly....Makes them last twice as long between replacing wheel sets...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <richard.bendever@...> To: <Timboy@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Recent trip > Trains are supposed to go around in a 'specific' direction??? > > ---My wife & I made a trip to South America recently and I was surprised to > see them run their trains around their Christmas trees counterclockwise. > > Tim Brown > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23728	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Poll results for S-Trains

POLL QUESTION: What's you favorite S guage track? CHOICES AND RESULTS - Origianal AF Track , 12 votes, 30.00% - S-Trax, 8 votes, 20.00% - S-Trax Flexible, 3 votes, 7.50% - American S , 5 votes, 12.50% - Gargraves, 1 votes, 2.50% - American Models, 10 votes, 25.00% - Other, 1 votes, 2.50% Now I know SOME don't like polls,...but,.. WoW!! .....40 votes outta 700+ members!??! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23729	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Lionel's new steam locomotive?

Yo: While visiting the West Springfield show last week I had the opportunity to talk to the Lionel representative there. One of the questions I asked was is Lionel really going to manufacture a steam locomotive. His response was "Yes". As an add on I asked, OK what loco? He said "I can not say". One thing he did say is that "it should be in the next Lionel catalog". We went on and discussed about options on how it will be powered (i.e. AC, TMCC, DC.....). Being that I am a high rail (but using KD couplers) and run DCC I was concerned that the new loco will be TMCC and/or AC only. I do know that most likely the actual motor will be DC. But building in all the extra electronics would be a waste for me. I'd be more in favor of the option of DC and/or DCC. I also mentioned to him that if they do only a AC/TMCC system they will be cutting into the S-gauge market which is already small, but growing. I was wondering if anyone did a poll to find out what percent of the S-gauge population run (AC, DC and DCC). We had a lengthy discussion around what other manufactures are doing, specifically S-Helper and American Models, supplying locomotives with power options. His comment back was that they are looking into this. And by the way, at one point during the conversation he did say that the new steam locomotive would be based on "All New Tooling". The clock is ticking, time will tell. Tommy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23730	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?

In a message dated 2/4/2003 3:31:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, trobicha@... writes: > One of the questions I asked was > is Lionel really going to manufacture a steam locomotive. His response was > "Yes". As an add on I asked, OK what loco? He said "I can not say". One > thing he did say is that "it should be in the next Lionel catalog". > > We went on and discussed about options on how it will be powered (i.e. AC, > TMCC, DC.....). Being that I am a high rail (but using KD couplers) and > run > DCC I was concerned that the new loco will be TMCC and/or AC only. I do > know that most likely the actual motor will be DC. But building in all the > extra electronics would be a waste for me. I'd be more in favor of the > option of DC and/or DCC. I also mentioned to him that if they do only a > AC/TMCC system they will be cutting into the S-gauge market which is > already > small, but growing. > AC/TMCC with their new "button box" works perfectly for me. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23731	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?

Lionel has a button box? I know S-helper has one. And I don't think is compatable with Lionel TMCC. Or am I missing something? Tommy -----Original Message----- From: RBubeck327@... [mailto:RBubeck327@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:46 PM To: trobicha@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel's new steam locomotive? In a message dated 2/4/2003 3:31:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, trobicha@... writes: One of the questions I asked was is Lionel really going to manufacture a steam locomotive. His response was "Yes". As an add on I asked, OK what loco? He said "I can not say". One thing he did say is that "it should be in the next Lionel catalog". We went on and discussed about options on how it will be powered (i.e. AC, TMCC, DC.....). Being that I am a high rail (but using KD couplers) and run DCC I was concerned that the new loco will be TMCC and/or AC only. I do know that most likely the actual motor will be DC. But building in all the extra electronics would be a waste for me. I'd be more in favor of the option of DC and/or DCC. I also mentioned to him that if they do only a AC/TMCC system they will be cutting into the S-gauge market which is already small, but growing. AC/TMCC with their new "button box" works perfectly for me. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23732	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?

TMCC is the obvious choice because of it's legacy compatibility. I run AF TMCC and Legacy Conventional AC all at the same time. It is too cool... The addition of Railsounds will be even better. IMHO, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom) [mailto:trobicha@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:30 PM To: S-Trains (E-mail) Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel's new steam locomotive? Yo: While visiting the West Springfield show last week I had the opportunity to talk to the Lionel representative there. One of the questions I asked was is Lionel really going to manufacture a steam locomotive. His response was "Yes". As an add on I asked, OK what loco? He said "I can not say". One thing he did say is that "it should be in the next Lionel catalog". We went on and discussed about options on how it will be powered (i.e. AC, TMCC, DC.....). Being that I am a high rail (but using KD couplers) and run DCC I was concerned that the new loco will be TMCC and/or AC only. I do know that most likely the actual motor will be DC. But building in all the extra electronics would be a waste for me. I'd be more in favor of the option of DC and/or DCC. I also mentioned to him that if they do only a AC/TMCC system they will be cutting into the S-gauge market which is already small, but growing. I was wondering if anyone did a poll to find out what percent of the S-gauge population run (AC, DC and DCC). We had a lengthy discussion around what other manufactures are doing, specifically S-Helper and American Models, supplying locomotives with power options. His comment back was that they are looking into this. And by the way, at one point during the conversation he did say that the new steam locomotive would be based on "All New Tooling". The clock is ticking, time will tell. Tommy S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23733	From: waldootten	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Railsounds quiery

What gizmo do I need to trigger the railsounds units in the AF sets made by Lionel from the late 1980s to present? I have both a Flyer 30B and a MRC dual power 027 transformer, plus about three dozen smaller AF transformers. I also have two sound boards made for my American Models steam and diesel locomotives. Thanks Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23734	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Railsounds quiery

In a message dated 2/4/03 4:34:08 PM, waldootten@... writes: << What gizmo do I need to trigger the railsounds units in the AF sets made by Lionel from the late 1980s to present? I have both a Flyer 30B and a MRC dual power 027 transformer, plus about three dozen smaller AF transformers. I also have two sound boards made for my American Models steam and diesel locomotives. Thanks Phil K >> A 6-5906 sound activation button. If your MRC (or other modern L or MTH power supply) has a DC-offset type whistle and bell activation, these will work well, too. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23735	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?

In a message dated 2/4/03 3:55:00 PM, trobicha@... writes: << Lionel has a button box? I know S-helper has one. And I don't think is compatible with Lionel TMCC. Or am I missing something? Tommy >> Tommy, It isn't in the new catalog, but Lionel is definitely bringing out a "box" to interface between a conventional transformer and the track in order to access the TMCC/RS/Odyssey features in their new locos. It is already known informally as the "button box", even though it is not out yet. I am pretty sure that it will also control the new AF steam engine that is coming out later this year. I played with one at the Lionel display in White Hall during last York. Although similar in some ways in intent, the SHS LocoMatic (TM) box is not the same item and will not activate TMCC, etc. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23736	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: turntables

Hi All, I got this from a PRR email list. There is a new company making very nice turntables. http://www.aaaturntables.com/aaa_001.htm Take a deep breath before you click the pricing page. Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23737	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Recent trip

Water goes down the drain one way north of the equator and the other way south of the equator. :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: IronHorse To: Tim Brown Cc: S-List Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Recent trip I have done the same thing. What is your point I wonder? Are we breaking a rule of some kind ??? Tim Brown wrote: > Hi, > > My wife & I made a trip to South America recently and I was surprised to see them run their trains around their Christmas trees counterclockwise. > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Roger Hinds To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23738	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Railsounds quiery

You need rwo Lionel railsounds buttons if you use a Flyer transformer. One for the horn or whistle and one for the bell. Which is which depends on the direction the loco is facing because they're polarity sebsitive. Alternatively, you could use an American Models 2 button sound controller. "waldootten " wrote: > > What gizmo do I need to trigger the railsounds units in the AF sets > made by Lionel from the late 1980s to present? > > I have both a Flyer 30B and a MRC dual power 027 transformer, plus > about three dozen smaller AF transformers. I also have two sound > boards made for my American Models steam and diesel locomotives. > > Thanks > > Phil K > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23739	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

Sorry couldn't make it - will try for the next one. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23740	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: S-Turntables

With all the buzz on the list about turntable measurements, etc., I just thought I'd tell you that S-'n-S Trains is considering manufacturing a turntable like the one shown in our recent video. Anybody interested? Enough interest.....We will do it! (nothing better to do)...{:>) Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23741	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Lionel AF Stock Cars - Perhaps SHS Had An Effect

Perhaps they took a look at the SHelperService ones and decided not to wade into that market. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23742	From: trainman634	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: AF Trains Running on AM Trains

I have a question for anyone running American Flyer trains on American Models track. How do you uncouple the cars? Do you uncouple them by hand or what electric uncouplers do you use?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23743	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Just wanted to let you guys know that I appreciate all the information that I have access to, thanks to this site, although I don't get into the conversations as much as you do. I find it very interesting and informative for people like myself that collect AF. Thanks, Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23744	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: A-B-A set

Just a minute, You may need to turn an A-B set, but part of the idea of an A-B-A set was to be double ended, no need to turn it. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23745	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: turntables

Wow on both counts. If I had the space for a turntable, I would definitely make my own out of Erector Set parts-is-parts. Seems to me it would be child's play. :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Lane To: S Scale List ; S Trains Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] turntables Hi All, I got this from a PRR email list. There is a new company making very nice turntables. http://www.aaaturntables.com/aaa_001.htm Take a deep breath before you click the pricing page. Bill S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23746	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: A-B-A set

You got it! ----- Original Message ----- From: JFrederick Roberts To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A-B-A set Just a minute, You may need to turn an A-B set, but part of the idea of an A-B-A set was to be double ended, no need to turn it. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23747	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: uncoupling AF on AM ( or FM, or SW, or........)

Not wishing to butcher nice AM track in order to have automatic uncoupling ala the old days, I used regular AF remote uncouplers mounted under the table, with only minor modification. Basically a block of wood cut to thickness such that when laid on the top of the fiber or bakelite pad, it was the same height as the metal housing of the uncoupler. Take a section of K&S brass U-channel just wide enough to snugly fit over the two metal ribs that comprise the actual uncoupling bar of the original uncoupler ( this channel fits on them upside down ). Measure the distance from the channel up thru the layout, thru the roadbed and the ties. Cut a length of K&S 3/16" dia. rod whatever that measurement is. Solder the rod to the channel. Drill hole thru layout, roadbed, ties big enough for rod to slip thru without binding. Mount modified uncoupler under table, check length of rod, should "just" clear tops of ties. Remove uncoupler, drill and tap rod for number 4-40 screw. Take another piece of K&S channel, this time with base down, shape to resemble the acutating bars of original uncoupler, height will not be the same since AM rail height not the same as ACG, round ends as were ACG so weights don't catch. Drill hole for number 4 screw. Mount assembly less the last piece of channel under layout, attach new acutating channel to post with screw, add wires, electricity, have fun uncoupling. Can provide sketch ( better than the 1,000 ( +/- ) word description above. Regard'S' Smitty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23748	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Stock Cars - Perhaps SHS Had An Effect

In a message dated 2/4/03 7:36:20 PM, Paul4Schil@... writes: << Perhaps they took a look at the SHelperService ones and decided not to wade into that market. Paul S. >> I don't think so. It would be the first Gilbert-style AF stock car introduced since Gilbert folded -- they'd sell like hot cakes. A stock car would also be great as a basis for some society cars. Most likely the original tooling is gone. Now that Lionel is widening the scope of AF rolling stock, they might find it useful to make new tools. In any case, AF has a somewhat different "mission" than SHS in S gauge. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23749	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Cheap Trains

Cheap trains didn't save Gilbert and they won't save you. The last thing we need is more crap. Lousy trains make newbies crazy. They don't run well, they look and sound like cheap toys and they do not evoke the romance of railroading. They make lousy starter sets and the only reason you want them is because you want someone else to foot the bill for your next experimental platform. Nobody benefits from this hare-brained idea but you. Why should anyone but you support it? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23750	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: turntable

Gene said: >Erie Railroad Turntable - Port Jervis, most recent locomotive that was turned on it weighed 440 >tons. And I shot a videotape of it being turned. It was a Northern, C&O 614. Number 614 had its last bolt tightened to roll out of the Lima shops in January, 1948. In 1979, #614 was sold to railroad enthusiast and entrepreneur Ross E. Rowland, Jr., who oversaw a crew of 15 mechanics and some 100 volunteers to completely rebuild her: a project that took 18 months to complete at a cost of $1.5 million. During the rehabilitation process, her fuel capacity was doubled from 25 to 50 tons - carried in the traditional tender behind the locomotive. An auxiliary tender was added to attend to her thirst, doubling her water-carrying capacity from 25,000 to 50,000 gallons. All modifications made to #614 were aimed at enabling her to pull a 25-car, half-mile-long passenger train all day without having to stop for any type of service. When I rode behind her she was indeed pulling 25 cars. Locomotive #614 is 16 feet tall, 112 feet long and weighs-in at 434 tons. She develops approximately 5,000 horsepower and, at her peak, is capable of running at 120 miles per hour. On the ride from Hoboken to Port Jervis, she hit 80. #614 was accorded the singular honor of being the only steam engine ever leased by Amtrak in its 25-year history. For a portion of its run through West Virginia, she pulled The Cardinal, on schedule and at speeds approaching 80 miles per hour. 614's most recent assignment has been powering a series of excursions from Hoboken, NJ to Port Jervis, NY over NJ Transit's Mainline and Conrail's Southern Tier Mainline. These 180 mile round-trip "Iron Horse Rambles" have carried nearly 17,000 people some of whom have come from as far as New Zealand, Australia and Japan for the chance to ride behind this magnificently restored engine. As Iron Horse CEO, Ross Rowland states "the Port Jervis excursions are the only place in the free world where one can ride behind steam (with no diesels anywhere in the consist) at speeds up to 79 M.P.H. and be afforded open-air space to really soak in the sound and fury of this magnificent example of the steam locomotive builder's art running at speed." Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23751	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?

<<<And by the way, at one point during the conversation he did say that the new steam locomotive would be based on "All New Tooling".>>> In a similar discussion that I had with him, he also stated that it will be an engine "that has never been made in S before, by anyone." In addition, he stated that the TMCC will probably be an option, unless the difference in cost is so small as to not justify two versions. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23752	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Cheap Trains

You know, Chris has a valid point here, IMHO. The reason relatively inexpensive starter sets proliferated in the 40's and 50's was because trains and railroads represented romance and travel to far-away places at blinding speeds. Plus, trains were just as likely to be PASSENGER trains as freight. People-carrying transportation devices are always more glamorous, exciting and dangerous-to the average person. Even the freight trains were more interested-IMHO-with lots of mixed freights, locals, cabooses, open auto carriers and the like. And besides, we already have beaucoup cheap sets in all the discount stores, mostly HO, and yet these cheapies have not brought kids back to model railroading in great numbers, at least as far as I can tell. Why do we think that just because a set is in S gauge, and cheap, that droves of youngins' will then migrate to high rail and maybe on to scale? Toys are always a reflection of the society at large. Even during the unpopular Vietnam war, for example, G.I. Joes and all sorts of armored vehicles were big items at the holidays. And further, like many things in today's world, trains are isolated from the public. Used to be back in the days of my youth (when we had to fight off the Tyrannosaurus) one could walk right up close and personal to a steam engine, talk with the crew. Plus, there were just lots more trains and tracks for kids to see. Here in Kansas, for example, 50 years ago there were 49 regularly-scheduled railroads running through the state. Today there are 4. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> > Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:54:30 -0500 > To: thorin.marty@..., slist <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Cheap Trains > > Cheap trains didn't save Gilbert and they won't save you. The last thing we > need is more crap. Lousy trains make newbies crazy. They don't run well, > they look and sound like cheap toys and they do not evoke the romance of > railroading. They make lousy starter sets and the only reason you want them > is because you want someone else to foot the bill for your next experimental > platform. Nobody benefits from this hare-brained idea but you. Why should > anyone but you support it? > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23753	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Recent trip

A year ago I repaired a Hudson that obviously was run clockwise for many years. The Flange wear was obvious. The owner was amazed that I could tell him how he ran his train! I suggested reversing direction every year. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23754	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: turntable

I don't know how long it is, but the Dunsmuir, CA turntable is still in place, and used almost daily. It is big enough to turn SP 4449, not a small Northern at that! I'll have to look around to see if I can find the specs. UP recently replaced the control house on it, I wish they'd restored the old one instead, but it was wood. S' David D. PS The last part of the roundhouse there caved in during a blizzard back around '65. some small parts of the roundhouse walls are still in place, and some windows are in a nearby restaurant building.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23755	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Lionel's new steam locomotive?

Ok, all you S gurus. What steam engines HAVE been made, in scale or high rail? That would narrow it down to maybe, 100? Roy Inman > > In a similar discussion that I had with him, he also stated that it will be > an engine "that has never been made in S before, by anyone." In addition, > he stated that the TMCC will probably be an option, unless the difference in > cost is so small as to not justify two versions. > > Doug Peck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23756	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?

Well, if it hasn't been made before, it must be a Canadian prototype. Don't think anyone's made a CP Royal Hudson in "S"scale before!:^) Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Lionel's new steam locomotive? > Ok, all you S gurus. > What steam engines HAVE been made, in scale or high rail? > That would narrow it down to maybe, 100? > Roy Inman > > > > > In a similar discussion that I had with him, he also stated that it will be > > an engine "that has never been made in S before, by anyone." In addition, > > he stated that the TMCC will probably be an option, unless the difference in > > cost is so small as to not justify two versions. > > > > Doug Peck > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23757	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Starter Sets go first class only. Hi brow not hi rail

Hobby Lobby sells K-Line 50 year old Marx sets for $250. So much for detail and price. We need to get someone to exclusivly sell S. That way they have a monoploy. If the customer knew what he was buying it would not be these sets, so they could buy S trains, because most of these people have not seen Lionel either, so they do not have an advantage. Head line Chicago, Marshall Fields to sell their first set of trains in 40 years??? Sounds good to me and the Chicago Tribune would carry this story. The Studio 56 train display in the window of Marshall Fields. What a story. Diller's has 4 sets of G guage Christmas trains that they sell with sound. That is all I have scene in 2 years. Buy 4 sets is better then zerro. Ron, Don I will set up your trains in any store in Nashville for free if you can get them into stores. Everyone on this board would do the same. So you have 500 distributors. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23758	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: BK 148 Turn outs

Does anyone have any to sell, and will they match AM track height? Any other maunfactured 148 turn outs? To the fellow that I sold 172 brass turn outs. I found 1 more right turn out. Contact me. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23759	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap Trains

You are mixing "cheap" and "shoddy". A thing can be inexpensive because of economies of scale and still be high quality. If someone gave an SHS train to a kid to play with and the separate grab irons and steps all got broken off would that make it "cheap"? A toy train meant to be a toy should be rugged like the one piece molded bodies on AF and Lionel when we were kids. Flyer's idea of "cheap" was an Atlantic without smoke instead of a Hudson. The basic mechanism wasn't any cheaper. Gilbert lost business because of slot cars and other interests by the kids of the sixties. They were the minority scale when toy trains entered the doldrums and the cheap pikemmaster stuff was just the beginning of the inevitable end. The company best positioned to resurrect S gauge toy trains is still Lionel, if not MTH or K-Line. This is unrelated to the continuing scale vs hirail discussions. Most (not all) people interested in truly toy trains will never be scaler hobbyists. Chris Zizzo wrote: > > Cheap trains didn't save Gilbert and they won't save you. The last thing we > need is more crap. Lousy trains make newbies crazy. They don't run well, > they look and sound like cheap toys and they do not evoke the romance of > railroading. They make lousy starter sets and the only reason you want them > is because you want someone else to foot the bill for your next experimental > platform. Nobody benefits from this hare-brained idea but you. Why should > anyone but you support it? > > Chris Zizzo > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23760	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: how big is a 336?

Greetings, Continuing this thread, Tim Brown teased us with the question of how big a turntable is needed to turn an ABA unit. Why would you need to turn this? Isn't an ABA consist pointy at both ends? ;<) Bill ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23761	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: (no subject)

I think Chris needs to take some sedatives and calm down. I will not respond to his baiting nor profanity. "It takes a carpenter to build a barn but any jackass can knock one down." Thorin Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:54:30 -0500 From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> Subject: Cheap Trains Cheap trains didn't save Gilbert and they won't save you. The last thing we need is more <explicative deleted>. Lousy trains make newbies crazy. They don't run well, they look and sound like cheap toys and they do not evoke the romance of railroading. They make lousy starter sets and the only reason you want them is because you want someone else to foot the bill for your next experimental platform. Nobody benefits from this <explicative deleted> idea but you. Why should anyone but you support it? Chris Zizzo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23762	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - Next Offering

Brand new never out of the box..... S Helper Service Northern Pacific SW-9 starter freight set with track. Retail sticker says $299.95. Price to first customer $250 including shipping in the contiguous 48. It will take me a few days to find a box big enough for shipping. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23763	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Chris

Chris, There are people on this list who are put off from posting because they are afraid of being "shouted down" or belittled. We should not promote that kind of posting. If we dissagree with someone, fine. IMHO, opinions should not be blurred with fact, but rather expressed as such. IMHO, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23764	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: how big is a 336?

You bet. Good one! ----- Original Message ----- From: wmhtreftsv@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: how big is a 336? Greetings, Continuing this thread, Tim Brown teased us with the question of how big a turntable is needed to turn an ABA unit. Why would you need to turn this? Isn't an ABA consist pointy at both ends? ;<) Bill ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23765	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: diner

Dear Ted: I would do what I am doing to get my UP diner. I wanted a diner that met this simple criteria. All in one diner with the kitchen at one end and tables at the other. No multi-car diners like the SP had. (Tables, kitchen, tables in three, articulated cars!) Dennis found one in the City of Los Angeles. I ordered the thin sides from Dennis (LaserHriz@...). Then I got an unpainted smoothside car from Ron of American Models in August of last year. (I asked.) As I am not modeling any specific Union Pacific train, I didn't care if they were accurate or not for the UP. I told Dennis the choice of diner was up to him. Dennis went hunting and found such diner in the COLA. He made me sides. The sides are very nice. They have small dimples where all of the handrails should go eliminating that guess work. On Sunday I put the sides into the box with the shell. (The AM box Ron sent it to me in is marked Heavyweight Scale and contains an unassembled, black plastic, highrail, streamliner coach.) ---------------------------- It has been suggested that Dennis and I manufacture passenger cars to conserve the AM streamliners. Let's put this one to rest. I don't have the time and if I did, I would manufacture electrics. I haven't even made MY diner, much less painted it. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Ted Larson [mailto:mhrreast@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:05 PM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: diner I am not a river counter, so perhaps something already on the list meets my needs. I want a dining car for my GN AM lightweight passenger train. Ted Larson Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:12:43 -0600 From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> Subject: Laser Horizon current list Dear list members; Dennis tried to post and failed. So I am posting for him. Contact Dennis using the address in the 'cc'. Thorin ------------------------ S scale group, Per your request, here is the current list of cars sides that are programmed and ready for production. Let me know what you need that is NOT on the list. Customer demand is how this list developed. Coming soon: L&N inspection car with theater seating. UNION PACIFIC CARS UP4069 1938 Pullman 4069 4 dbr/4 compt./2 dr UP4099 1942 Pullman 4099 6 section/6 roomts/4 br UP5400 1950 Pullman 44 seat Coach series 5400 - 5449 UP5450 1952 A.C.F. 44 seat Coach series 5450 - 5487 UP7385 1937 Pullman 48 seat Coach series 5300 - 5327 UP9004 1949 A.C.F. 12 Roomettes/4 Bedrooms WESTERN UP6009 1965 Pullman 11 Double Bedrooms SUN UP7000 1955 A.C.F Chair Dome series 7000 - 7009 UP8000 1955 A.C.F. Dome Diner series 8000 - 8009 UP-COLA Diner/Kitchen CITY OF LOS ANGELES SOUTHERN PACIFIC CARS Part No Blt Make Plan Configuration SP4069- 1938 Pullman 4069 4 dbr/4 compt./2 dr SP4071- 1938 Pullman 4071 13 double bedrooms SP4072- 1938 Pullman 4072 10 roomts / 5 bedrms SP4082- 1939 Pullman 4082 observation SP4099- 1942 Pullman 4099 6 section/6 roomts/4 br SP4122- 1948 Pullman 4122 22 roomettes SP7420- 1938 Pullman 7420 27 seat Parlor/1 dwg rm SP7421- 1938 Pullman 7421 Tavern / Lounge SP7422- 1939 Pullman 7422 44 seat Coach PENNSYLVANIA RR Part No Blt Make Plan Configuration Series 3P125- 1938 Pullman 4066 12 duplex/5 bedrms BROOK 3P18RT- 1938 Pullman 4068 18 roomettes CITY OF 3P442- 1938 Pullman 4069 4 dbr/4 compt.2 dr IMPERIAL 3P13DB- 1938 Pullman 4071 13 double bedrooms COUNTY 3P105- 1938 Pullman 4072 10 roomts/5 bedrms CASCADE 3P2BL- 1938 Pullman 4077 2 bdrm/buffet/lounge HARBOR 3P31BL- 1938 Pullman 4078 3 bdrm/1dr/bar/lnge COLONIAL 3P4081- 1938 Pullman 4081 Observation NARROWS 3P6BL- 1940 Pullman 4086 6 bdrm /buffet/lounge FALLS P3KD- 1939 Pullman 7414 kitchen / diner 4514 4P4129- 1949 Pullman 4129 10 roomts / 6 bedrms RAPIDS 4P124- 1949 Pullman 4130 12 duplex / 4 bedrms CREEK 4P6BL- 1949 Pullman 4131 6 bdrm /buffet/lounge FALLS 4P31BL- 1949 Pullman 4132 3 bdrm/1dr/bar/lnge COLONIAL 4P106- 1949 Pullman 4140 10 roomts/6 bedrms RAPIDS 4P3BL- 1948 Pullman 4141 3 bdrm/buffet/lounge HARBOR 4A442- 1948 A.C.F. 4 dbr/4 compt.2 dr IMPERIAL A4FLD- 1948 A.C.F. full length Diner 4600 thru 4608 (even) A4KD- 1948 A.C.F. kitchen/dormitory 4601 thru 4609 (odd) P70GSR 1942 PRR 68 seat coach 4194 thru 4243 P70KR 1940 PRR 56 seat coach 4269 (etc.) D70ASR 1940 PRR rebuild Diner/Kitchen 4439 & 4457 D70CR 1943 PRR rebuild Diner 68 seats 4682 - 4698 (even) D70DR 1943 PRR rebuild Kitchen/Dormitory 4685, 4687, 4695, 4697 D70ER 1943 PRR rebuild Kitchen/Lunch counter 4681, 4683, 4689, 4691, 4693 D78D 1951 PRR rebuild Diner/Lounge/Kitchen/Pantry POC70R 1943 PRR rebuild Observation 1121 & 1131 PDB70R 1943 PRR rebuild Lounge/Dorm/Bagg series 6702 NYC PASSENGER CAR SIDES Part No Blt Make Plan Configuration Series NY4068- 1939 Pullman 4068 18 roomettes CITY OF NY4069- 1938 Pullman 4069 4 dbr/4 compt.2 dr IMPERIAL NY4069B-1938 Pullman 4069B 4 dbr/4 compt.2 dr BRIDGE NY4071- 1939 Pullman 4071 13 double bedrooms COUNTY NY4072- 1938 Pullman 4072 10 roomts/5 bedrms CASCADE NY4076- 1938 Pullman 4076 Club/Lounge/Dorm. CENTURY NY4079- 1938 Pullman 4079 Observation ISLAND NY4079A 1946 Pullman 4079 re-build Observation ISLAND NY4082- 1939 Pullman 4082 Observation RIVER NY4086- 1939 Pullman 4086 6 bdrm/buffet/lounge FALLS NY4122- 1948 Pullman 4122 22 roomettes BAY NY4123- 1948 Pullman 4123 10 roomettes/6 bedrms RIVER NY4124- 1948 Pullman 4124 6 bdrm/buffet/lounge LAKE NY4125- 1949 Pullman 4125 12 double bedrooms PORT NY4126- 1948 Pullman 4126 Observation CREEK NY7405- 1938 Pullman 7405 Diner/Kitchen 680 - 685 NY7406- 1938 Pullman 7406 Baggage/Mail 5017 - 5020 NY7464- 1941 Pullman 7464 Coach, 56 seats 2600 - 2644 NY7543- 1948 Pullman 7543 Baggage/Dorm. 8961 - 8969 NY7544- 1948 Pullman 7544 Diner (full length) 400 - 403 NY7545- 1948 Pullman 7545 Kitchen/Lounge 476 & 477 NY7546- 1948 Pullman 7546 Kitchen/Dormitory 474 & 475 NY7547- 1948 Pullman 7547 Diner/Kitchen 440 - 446 NY7548- 1948 Pullman 7548 Club/Lounge SHORE NY2910- 1947 A.C.F. Baggage 9100 - 9199 NY2958- 1947 A.C.F. Baggage/30ft. Mail 5014 & 5015 NY2959- 1947 A.C.F. Baggage/60ft. Mail 4907 - 4910 NY2960- 1947 A.C.F. Baggage/48 seat Coach 344 & 345 PULLMAN PASSENGER CAR SIDES Part No Blt Plan Configuration Railroads 4068- 1938 4068 18 roomettes NKP, IC, CN, NYC, PRR, NdeM 4069- 1938 4069 4 dbr/4 compt.2 dr CNW, IC, CN, SP, UP, CRIP, NYC, PRR 4071- 1938 4071 13 double bedrooms SP, NYC, PRR 4072- 1938 4072 10 roomts / 5 bedrms ATSF, B&O, CP, SP, NYC, PRR 4099- 1942 4099 6 section/6 roomts/4 br ATSF, CNW, CRIP, ERIE, IC, MP, SP, UP 4122- 1948 4122 22 roomettes IC, SP, CN, NYC 4140- 1949 4140 10 roomts/6 bedrms L&N, RF&P, N&W, PRR NORFOLK & WESTERN "POWHATAN ARROW" NW533 1949 58 seat Coach car number 533 NW511 1949 Compartment Coach car number 511 NW502 1949 Crew / Compartment Coach car # 502 NW494 1949 Diner car number 494 NW581 1949 Observation car number 581 ERIE CARS ER622 1951 rebuild Dormitory /30ft Mail 622 - 626 ER627 1950 A.C.F. Baggage /30ft Mail 627 - 629 ER4186 1954 Pullman 10 roomettes / 5 Bedrooms SPIRIT OF YOUNGSTOWN ER4099- 1942 Pullman 6 sections/6 roomettes/4 bedrooms AMERICAN series ER4129A 1949 Pullman 10 roomettes / 6 bedrooms Erie presidents: MARVIN KENT, etc. LACKAWANNA CARS DL&W301 1949 A.C.F. 62 seat Coach series 301 - 315 DL&W9008 1949 A.C.F. 10 Roomettes / 6 Bedrooms TIOUGHNIOGA, etc. DELAWARE & HUDSON cars D&H31 Coach 62 seats series 31 - 34 D&H41 Diner / Lounge series 41 & 42 D&H51 Baggage car series 51 - 53 D&H201 Coach 76 seats series 201 - 206 ACF lot 1874 blt 1939 D&H202 Coach 76 seats series 202, 204 - 206 rebuilt by Hoover Industries BALTIMORE & OHIO cars B&O4167 1950 Pullman 10 roomettes / 6 bedrooms B&O7552 1949 Pullman Diner / Kitchen CANADIAN NATIONAL cars CN-CL-7 1954 Club car, blt 1954 series 581 - 585 CN-M-22 1954 Diner / Kitchen series 1337 - 1350 Thanks for you interest, Dennis Sautters Laser Horizons [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23766	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's new steam locomotive?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)" <trobicha@l...> wrote: > Yo: > > While visiting the West Springfield show last week I had the opportunity to > talk to the Lionel representative there. One of the questions I asked was > is Lionel really going to manufacture a steam locomotive. His response was > "Yes". As an add on I asked, OK what loco? He said "I can not say". One > thing he did say is that "it should be in the next Lionel catalog". ... > And by the way, at one point during the conversation he did say that the new > steam locomotive would be based on "All New Tooling". > > The clock is ticking, time will tell. > > Tommy Maybe they'll have it at the New York Toy Fair later this month (I think Feb 15-17 time frame)? Hopefully... Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23767	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: We are all done!

The Caig deal is all done. Please stop sending checks. I have no more product. If you want some, please contact Caig directly at caig.com . Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23768	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Railsounds quiery

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Smith <cesmith@e...> wrote: > You need rwo Lionel railsounds buttons if you use a Flyer transformer. > One for the horn or whistle and one for the bell. Which is which > depends on the direction the loco is facing because they're polarity > sebsitive. Alternatively, you could use an American Models 2 button > sound controller. I prefer the American Models/OTT Machine Services 2 button controller to the stand-alone Lionel button they supplied with sound-equipped sets. The Lionel button slows the train down when you activate the horn/bell. I think there is about a 1.5-2 volt drop across the diodes inside. The AM controller seems to have a voltage drop all the time, so you don't notice a change in train speed when you press the buttons. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23769	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap Trains

On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:54:30 -0500, Chris Zizzo wrote: >Cheap trains didn't save Gilbert and they won't save you. The last thing we >need is more c___. Lousy trains make newbies crazy. In so many words, yes. One can buy a LARGE set of plastic / battery Tomica trains for about $20, and the trains are Thomas characters no less. How in the world could someone new attack the cheap market, compete with Thomas - the train everyone knows, and gain any market share. We have tooooo much of this stuff already for our children. Next level up, Brio. I had early Brio, now our children do. QUALITY STUFF! Even have a turntable and roundhouse for the children! Some of the "Trains of the World" series for dad! Next level up from that, our AF collection. However, you will never find the AF EMD F-9 on my wish list.... YUCK!!!! Same with the rolling stock with all plastic couplers. <><><><><><><><> The bigger issue, today's culture is totally different that the post WWII ira when families were stronger, more people got married, dad's had time for their children to play with the trains, not to mention more cargo traveling around via train. These days, model semi trucks seem a bit more appropriate. Complete with cracked up highways to run them on! I think the best way to get people interested in trains AND help make families stronger is for those of us with the model RR disease to build a good layout for operating session purposes, and then open the doors to word of mouth and teach the folks that come in showing their interest. That's what our layout is going to be all about. Plus living in a fairly busy train town - migrate into some real train spotting, see about getting in the main tower downtown for a visit, etc... As a result of sharing the disease, families my decide to invest in electric trains of their own... and at that point I really don't care WHAT guage makes them tick - Z through G it's all fine with me if it's what turns them on. Hey, maybe even a bit O live steam like at Hesston, IN. Cheap trains are NOT the answer, spending time mentoring IS! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23770	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Code 125 rail

Does anyone know of a source of Code 125 NS rail (not track)? We are making some turnouts and planning to build a hidden staging in which we will lay the rail directly on Homosote or Homabed to save the cost of ties. I am aware that Micro Engineering sells code 125 rail. No doubt it would be fine, but maybe we should consider another supplier if there is one. Thanks in advance. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23771	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Equator

BTW, while in Peru, we traveled to a town in Ecuador that was right on the equator. Interesting to note that they ran their trains point-to-point with a reverse loop at either end. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23772	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: S-Gaugers in IA & NE

Just wondering... How many out there are in Western Iowa and Eastern Nebraska. I have seen the lists for S gauge groups and...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23773	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Here is a list from K-line's web site of the new "S" gauge cars !

Here is a list from K-line's web site of the new "S" gauge cars they will be offering. Lots of cars at a very attractive price. The pictures aren't posted yet. Their web site is... http://www.k-linetrains.com/ K511-001 Ford S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-002 Timken S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-003 New Haven S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-004 MKT S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-005 Great Northern S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-006 ATSF S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-007 New York Central S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-008 D&RGW S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-009 B&O S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-010 L&N S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-011 Missouri Pacific Eagle S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-012 PRR S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 K511-013 Pennsylvania Salt S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 K511-014 Hooker S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 K511-015 Texaco Fire Chief S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 K511-016 Citgo S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 Can't wait to see them! Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23774	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Here is a list from K-line's web site of the new "S" gauge cars

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carl Tuveson <carl@w...> wrote: > Here is a list from K-line's web site of the new "S" gauge cars they will be > offering. > Lots of cars at a very attractive price. The pictures aren't posted yet. > > Their web site is... > > http://www.k-linetrains.com/ > > K511-001 Ford S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-002 Timken S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-003 New Haven S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-004 MKT S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-005 Great Northern S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-006 ATSF S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-007 New York Central S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-008 D&RGW S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-009 B&O S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-010 L&N S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-011 Missouri Pacific Eagle S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-012 PRR S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-013 Pennsylvania Salt S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 > K511-014 Hooker S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 > K511-015 Texaco Fire Chief S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 > K511-016 Citgo S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 > > Can't wait to see them! > > Carl Wow. $20 a piece. They will definitely be the price leaders. I'm sure they won't be up to the detail level of an SHS or AM piece. Hopefully they'll have similar construction and durability as Gilbert Flyer. It looks like they've chosen the right road names to appeal to the transition era (1940-1960) hobbyist. Looking forward to seeing pictures. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23775	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: new K-line S

I wonder what the trucks under these cars will be like. Hopefully, they will be heavy rigid cast sided and available for separate sale. Hopefully, the length from pivot hole to coupler face will be the same as a Flyer cast sided knuckle coupler truck. We Neanderthals need some trucks like that. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23776	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: Here is a list from K-line's web site of the new "S" gauge cars

Does anyone know if these items are made from new tooling? It could be that K-Line has dusted off some more old Marx molds... Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23777	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: Re: New K-line S cars

Well, if you look at the 2002 catalog, in other gages, there are just a few cars that are 19.95, and they are O27 ! The 19.95 cars are in their "Train 19" line. Could it be that we are looking at 027 cars with s gauge trucks? http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/viewprd_new.cfm?prdID=1DB68683-3997-4D9A-B0A0F3D269328243&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA90060B0576B82

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23778	From: Karl Raab	Date: 2/5/2003
Subject: K-Line Catalog

The bit of information posted on their website regarding the "S" gauge boxcars and tankers is very interesting...now will they offer something to pull them? ...Also is anyone familiar with the scale of their diecast vehicles ..http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/viewprd_new.cfm?prdID=944F758D- C012-4020-89F8B6B215E3B76B&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA90060B0576B82 the buses sure look neat....Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23779	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Their back

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23780	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: K-Line price war to begin. Or benefits from China production being

Hi Well we can now pay $20 for a reissue vs $50. Sounds good if the use S trucks, they will look better then Lionel Flyer. I removed the roof walk from a Marx car and added those old metal walk boards from the company that made stamped cars and a walk way from balsa wood. Cut 2 groves to make a walk way. Will try and find it and take a picture. The box car looked good. The Hooper might work, but has a low center might touch the rails. I added a bar to hold a dumby Ace coupler and Pikemaster trucks and it looks good. The Gondola will work, but the Tank car may be too large. I have been after them to make the old Marx New K-Line Hudson in S. It is 1/64 and I have a Marx engine I want to power with a AF drive unit. Doug Peck says the reproduction AF Hudson valve gear can fit a 283 Plastic Pacific power unit. Anyone done this yet?Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23781	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: Here is a list from K-line's web site of the n ew "S" gauge car

YO: I'm wondering: What the flanges will be like (example like flyer or the SHS & AM)? If the cars will have the capability of being converted to KDs? (being I'm a hi-rail running KDs for operations) My guess is that they won't offer scale wheels. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: srgriggs <sgriggs@...> [mailto:sgriggs@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Here is a list from K-line's web site of the new "S" gauge cars ! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carl Tuveson <carl@w...> wrote: > Here is a list from K-line's web site of the new "S" gauge cars they will be > offering. > Lots of cars at a very attractive price. The pictures aren't posted yet. > > Their web site is... > > http://www.k-linetrains.com/ > > K511-001 Ford S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-002 Timken S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-003 New Haven S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-004 MKT S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-005 Great Northern S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-006 ATSF S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-007 New York Central S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-008 D&RGW S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-009 B&O S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-010 L&N S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-011 Missouri Pacific Eagle S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-012 PRR S Gauge Boxcar NEW 19.95 > K511-013 Pennsylvania Salt S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 > K511-014 Hooker S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 > K511-015 Texaco Fire Chief S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 > K511-016 Citgo S Gauge Tank Car NEW 19.95 > > Can't wait to see them! > > Carl Wow. $20 a piece. They will definitely be the price leaders. I'm sure they won't be up to the detail level of an SHS or AM piece. Hopefully they'll have similar construction and durability as Gilbert Flyer. It looks like they've chosen the right road names to appeal to the transition era (1940-1960) hobbyist. Looking forward to seeing pictures. Scott S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23782	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: New K-Line S Gauge Cars

Guys, I said all of this before, but here it goes again. These "new" cars use old Marx 3/16 inch tooling, with newly manufactured S gauge trucks. They are NOT 027 cars!!! Pick up an old Marx 3/16 inch plastic boxcar or tank car. These were almost dead on S gauge. In fact, an American Flyer S gauge boxcar body fits right into the bottom of a Marx 3/16 inch boxcar. With this pricing, we will be getting Lionel AF quality for the prices that Lionel should be charging for their old re-runs of Gilbert molds. Scalers will have sound basic cars with good graphics just waiting for bashing. Everybody wins with this one. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23783	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap Trains

Good thought Michael. We started our club around promoting model trains and S gauge. The North Penn S Gaugers have a growing modular layout and 26 members. We started our club 5 years ago and many of our members have been encouraged to build a layout and buy "S" trains. It is a slower process than selling 100,000 cheap starter sets. We show our layout at more that 5 train shows per year and receive money for the club for doing it from $75 a show to $150 per show. Thousands have seen our layout. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23784	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line S Gauge Cars

Does anyone know how well the ACE conversion parts work with the Marx cars? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > Guys, > > I said all of this before, but here it goes again. > These "new" cars use old Marx 3/16 inch tooling, with > newly manufactured S gauge trucks. They are NOT 027 > cars!!! Pick up an old Marx 3/16 inch plastic boxcar > or tank car. These were almost dead on S gauge. In > fact, an American Flyer S gauge boxcar body fits right > into the bottom of a Marx 3/16 inch boxcar. > > With this pricing, we will be getting Lionel AF > quality for the prices that Lionel should be charging > for their old re-runs of Gilbert molds. Scalers will > have sound basic cars with good graphics just waiting > for bashing. Everybody wins with this one. > > Joe > > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23785	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: K-line cars

Toy trains ! ! Cars that the kids or grandkids can PLAY with. Kids toys don't get put back into each box, but all get tossed into a large box and put away. As has been pointed out, the tooling for the L-Flyer cars dates to over 60 years ago when Gilbert sold them on the "0" size trucks. (Wide gauge, about 6 foot gauge in 3/16 scale). I expect molded in color, plastic cars with the road names painted on. If they look as good as what ERTL put out, and are built a bit stronger, they should find a market. As has been said, they'll sell at the price many feel the L-Flyer should go at, or about half the price of AM or SHS. Do any of you look for the detail of a $40.00 car on one sold for $20.00 list? For the stated MSRP you get new kids toys. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23786	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: FW: train stuff

To S group: I inquired with a contact at K-Line re the S stuff. Here was his reply: Roy Inman ---------- > > Hi: > > The 2003 catalog will be out in about 2 weeks. > K-Line made a new S gauge track and coupler. I have not seen/run the cars > so I don't know how a do on curves. I hope they work ok. > I don't know about any S gauge engines at this time. > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23787	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Catalog

What era do you think that these buses would be? --- ...Also is anyone familiar with the scale of their diecast vehicles ..http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/viewprd_new.cfm?prdID=944F758D-C012-40 20-89F8B6B215E3B76B&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA90060B0576B82 the buses sure look neat....Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23788	From: John Foley	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Allentown Train Show

Hi Folks I have 4 extra tables for the Allentown Pa train show Feb. 22/23. If anyone is interested they are $50. each for both days. This show is a good one for S Scale. The NASG will be setup their also. So if any manufacturer or individual would like to sell some S this is a good chance. Contact me off line foley164@... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23789	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap/shoddy trains

I believe Chuck made a good point with the following,---- **(((You are mixing "cheap" and "shoddy". A thing can be inexpensive because of economies of scale and still be high quality. If someone gave an SHS train to a kid to play with and the separate grab irons and steps all got broken off would that make it "cheap"? A toy train meant to be a toy should be rugged like the one piece molded bodies on AF and Lionel when we were kids. Flyer's idea of "cheap" was an Atlantic without smoke instead of a Hudson. The basic mechanism wasn't any cheaper.)))*** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23790	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: K-line Buses

>the buses sure look neat....Karl< I have no idea as to the size. If they are close enough to 1:64 to use, I'd want to put another set of doors just ahead of the rear wheelwell to have them look like the city buses I rode as a boy. But they do look as if they would fit into the 50's time frame. (Or could pass for that.) jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23791	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Lionel 2003 Book 1 AF Items

Joe's Train Repair is pleased to be able to offer all of the Lionel 2003 Book 1 American Flyer train items. In the past, we have been able to deliver on 100 percent of the Lionel preorders. Items are listed below as Lionel product #, description, ship date, retail price, and my price. Shipping is extra. 6-48034 Seaboard Baldwin Switcher (Oct) [$249.99] $220 6-48035 Santa Fe Baldwin Switcher (Oct) [$249.99] $220 6-48352 PRR Boxcar (July) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48413 Diamond Chemical Tank Car (July) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48531 Chessie Depressed Center Flatcar with Cable Reel (November) [$59.99] $ 50 6-48532 Southern Pacific Flatcar w/Piggy Back Trailers (July) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48622 Burlington Hopper w/coal (July) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48723 Santa Fe Boom Car (November) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48724 Seaboard Lighted Caboose (Nov) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48808 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer w/operating Doors (July) [$49.99] $ 41 6-49011 Union Pacific operating Moe & Joe Lumber Flatcar (November) [$69.99] $ 57 6-49012 Santa Fe oper. Crane Car (Nov) [$69.99] $ 57 6-49810 787 Log Loader (October) [$129.99] $105 6-49812 755 Talking Station (October) [$199.99] $160 6-49813 789 Baggage Smasher (October) [$129.99] $105 6-49814 774 Floodlight Tower (October) [$99.99] $ 80 Credit card holders (Visa or Master Card) of record can reserve items immediately, with payment made on credit card when item is shipped. Non-credit card holders must place a 30 percent deposit (personal check, cashiers check, or money order) with balance of payment due at the beginning of the month of shipping date to ensure immediate shipping. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23792	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Chromatists Questions

Chromacity Everywhere I have also noticed the flurry of recent chrome over plastic releases by toy train manufactures. Personally, I like the effect of chroming even though it isn't a true scale practice. When I used to talk to others about chrome over plastic a few ago, I was told that it was dificult and a lost art from the 50's. I know it has been done in Dtroit auto manufacturing for years. I see that Port Lines also offers a chroming service over plastic. Has there been a recent technology change that has driven all this recent chrome over plastic effort or is it just market demand that brought it back? Will the chrome hold? I've been told by experts previously that the chroming efforts of the 50's tended to not hold and flakes. Any comments or opinions are welcome! Thanks, Scott Dee _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23793	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Tanked out ?

S-Gaugers, I was pleased to see K-Line prices and tank cars that are offered in the new list provided by Ted. I think Lionel has been ripping off the S-Gauge market for quite some time. Am I the only one who won't buy the Lionel tank cars because of the weird bottoms that form a shell up around the actually tank which looks like its bottom is chopped off? I think that compared to the AF style that was done earlier without the cheap base plastic wrapping up around the tank (there was a metal base and the tanks one piece unit rested on it) was far superior. I also think the stop wheel is also cheap looking compared to the earlier done way. I saw at a recent DFW train show the chrome over plastic Flyoniel tank car and thought it still looked cheap because of the above reasons � although it was a nice idea. For these reason I never have bought the Flyoniel tanks cars. Am I the only one that feels this way about the modern tank cars? Any comments or opinions are welcome! Thanks, Scott Dee _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23794	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: A piece of the "General" for sale ??

If this is authentic, it is a real treasure. It is purported to be the cast number plate from the famous civil war locomotive "General". Not quite "S" gauge, but it would be a great addition to your train room. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2156491403 IMHO, it belongs on the real General that resides in Georgia, not being peddled on Ebay :-( Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23795	From: ron190sl	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Help!

I believe, think, or whatever, vaguely recall seeing a posting with the URL of a AF parts dealer with eith either 'vin' or vinnie in it. My poor memory thinks that he was in the Philadelphia area. (He had repro Flyer boxes.) I couldn't find anything in the archives when I did a search. Can anyone provide it? TIA Ron Morris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23796	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Catalog

They look like '50 -'60s era to me. Hmmm. . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23797	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Re: Tanked out ?

Scott, Well, actually, that's the way ACG made them at the very end of production. It was much cheaper, and easier to assemble with the one-piece tank top (well, two, if you count the dome lid). Some prototype tank car paint jobs do have black on the bottom surfaces of the tank, so this feature can be realistic. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23798	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2003
Subject: Can motors for Gilbert Diesels.

Special offer: The machine shop that made most of the parts we need for the Diesel can motor conversion program was able to save us some money on stock, so we are going to pass it on to you. Any diesel loco except Baldwin's, (that will be in another month or so) that is shipped to us before March 1st will be done for $99.95 single motor, and $139.95 dual motor. That includes those of you that have already sent them to us. Axle bushing, directional lighting, Pullmor wheels, etc., will remain at the original advertised prices. It looks like the Baldwin project may be available as a "kit" for the do it yourself gang. Regards to all (even Mr. Dewey) Steve & Sam...S-'n-S Trains.....Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23799	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Brass Shapes

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23800	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Making trees

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 23801	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Personnality types

Guys we are old enought to know about the 4 types of personality types. If you don't know them then learn about them. I had to learn how to deal with being me, because I can't change anyone else. So igore most of this stuff. Keep your e-mails small. People tend to miss what you say if they are to large. I have been posting one issue e-mails lately. Respond off list. I see conflicts on all boards. It is not the subject, it is the people. The goals are mostly the same. Keep some stuff to your self. I love the help I get from this group and have to ignore the bad so that I don't lose the good. Best, Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23802	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Catalog

I went to the hobby store and saw the K-Line Train 19 cars yesterday. They are very nice but grossly oversize for S in a side by side comparison of a reefer with a SHS car. I have to believe Joe Haenn when he says they're using the old Marx 3/16 scale car bodies. David Dewey wrote: > > They look like '50 -'60s era to me. > Hmmm. . . . > S' > David D. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23803	From: trainman634	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: American Flyer wheel gauge

Can I buy a American Flyer wheel gauge? Which kind of glue do you use to glue the wheels?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23804	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Catalog

In a message dated 02/07/2003 8:51:58 AM Mountain Standard Time, cesmith@... writes: > I went to the hobby store and saw the K-Line Train 19 cars yesterday. > They are very nice but grossly oversize for S in a side by side > comparison of a reefer with a SHS car. I have to believe Joe Haenn when > he says they're using the old Marx 3/16 scale car bodies. > Very sad. How very lucky we are to have SHS and AM in S-Gauge. It would be a desert for hi-railers without them. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23805	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: A piece of the "General" for sale ??

You are so right Steve. Hopefully no one will give a starting bid, but that is probably going to happen. What a sacriledge to offer this on ebay. Whats next? A piece of the Titanic? If the item is what is stated we should ALL email this person to give it back to the museum. Is there anything that would NOT be sold for money? I wonder,John. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Steve Blancard <splitdorf@1...> wrote: > If this is authentic, it is a real treasure. It is purported to be the > cast number plate from the famous civil war locomotive "General". Not > quite "S" gauge, but it would be a great addition to your train room. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2156491403 > > IMHO, it belongs on the real General that resides in Georgia, not being > peddled on Ebay :-( > > Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23806	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Digest's

Hi All Can any one send me the Digests # 1758 ,1759 etc as yahoo shut off my email because Digest 1758 bounced. What a pain. Did anyone else have Yahoo shut off there email service ?? Thanks Al Yahoo writes<<<<<< Hello, You belong to one or more email groups provided by Yahoo! Groups (groups.yahoo.com). Email from these groups can be recognized by looking for a group name in the message Subject line, like [pet-owners] or [music-fans]. Recently, messages sent to you from Yahoo! Groups have been returned to us as undeliverable. To prevent any problems with your email service, we have temporarily turned your Yahoo! Groups account OFF. If you are reading this message now, the delivery problem appears to be fixed. However, we won't know that the problem is fixed until you tell us. To turn your Yahoo! Groups account ON: - Please REPLY to this message. Send that reply back to us without changing anything. OR - While connected to the Internet, click on the following Web link (or copy and paste it into your Web browser and hit the RETURN key): Once we get a response from you, we will turn your Yahoo! Groups account back ON, and you will begin to receive messages from your groups again. After you respond, you can read any messages you might have missed while your account was off by visiting: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Thank you for using Yahoo! Groups! Yahoo! Groups Customer Care ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23807	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: A piece of the "General" for sale ??

Is this piece a "Stolen Item" ? Therefore not an item E-BAY would allow for sale. How did it get separated from the "General" to begin with? Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23808	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: "General" for sale

John, if that's how you feel, you should start a fund raising operation to pay the guy a fair market price for his plate and donate it to the museum. Lots of railfans and civil war frreaks would probably chip in ten bucks apiece, and you can reach them easily through the internet. Perhaps you could get the sale suspended while you work out the details. But for YOU to say that HE should make a huge financial sacrifice is ridiculous. He's not selling body parts here, but an artifact. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23809	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale

Why is it ridiculous? It's called a donation. People do it all the time for worthy causes. What's wrong with that? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: jarcho@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] "General" for sale John, if that's how you feel, you should start a fund raising operation to pay the guy a fair market price for his plate and donate it to the museum. Lots of railfans and civil war frreaks would probably chip in ten bucks apiece, and you can reach them easily through the internet. Perhaps you could get the sale suspended while you work out the details. But for YOU to say that HE should make a huge financial sacrifice is ridiculous. He's not selling body parts here, but an artifact. Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23810	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale

How is the bid a donation and to who? Is he going to "donate" anything to the museum? I think NOT! And as has been stated, why is there a REPRO on the original Engine? If it is original, I would like to know how he got it. I guess then that its ok to auction off a piece of the titanic? Perhaps I am missing something in his description. IMHO I am never amazed at what people will do for a buck! Why dont we all donate ten bucks and then give it back to the museum? How about it Chris Z?,John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > Why is it ridiculous? It's called a donation. People do it all the time for worthy causes. What's wrong with that? > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jarcho@r... > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 4:06 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] "General" for sale > > > John, if that's how you feel, you should start a fund raising operation to > pay the guy a fair market price for his plate and donate it to the museum. > Lots of railfans and civil war frreaks would probably chip in ten bucks > apiece, and you can reach them easily through the internet. Perhaps you > could get the sale suspended while you work out the details. But for YOU > to say that HE should make a huge financial sacrifice is ridiculous. He's > not selling body parts here, but an artifact. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@Y... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23811	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale

In a message dated 02/07/2003 2:41:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, Timboy@... writes: > Why is it ridiculous? It's called a donation. People do it all the time > for worthy causes. What's wrong with that? > Tim Brown > Let me try to explain it to you. It's a donation if that's what he wants to do. He owns it and can do whatever he pleases with it. Souns like he wants to sell it. Tom's idea is a good one, and if you feel that it should be "donated," then lead the way... Regards....Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23812	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 9, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23813	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale

OK, Time for the museum curator to step in! The General has been under "preservaton ownership" for many, many decades. I believe since shortly after the civil war, although much of that time was as a "relic" of the railroad that owned her. So, my question is; How did this guy get this piece? Is it likely to be stolen (even if not by him), or likely to be an early replica? I don't have any of the answers, but you can see that IF it is stolen, then the current owner should return it--IMHO. I doubt the current possessor has much money tied up in it, certainly nothing near the opening bid! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23814	From: AF336	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale

If it is stolen, he is in possession of stolen property and it can be confiscated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> Is it likely to be > stolen (even if not by him), or likely to be an early replica? > I don't have any of the answers, but you can see that IF it is stolen, then > the current owner should return it--IMHO.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23815	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale

Steve, Well, you obviously are passionate about this. I'll stand up next to you. Proceed. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Boss31@... To: Timboy@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "General" for sale In a message dated 02/07/2003 2:41:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, Timboy@... writes: Why is it ridiculous? It's called a donation. People do it all the time for worthy causes. What's wrong with that? Tim Brown Let me try to explain it to you. It's a donation if that's what he wants to do. He owns it and can do whatever he pleases with it. Souns like he wants to sell it. Tom's idea is a good one, and if you feel that it should be "donated," then lead the way... Regards....Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23816	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1760 re:message 22

James, I couldn't have said it better myself. I have gotten so many great tips from this digest, I have to filter through all the personalities to glean the information I need and want. If everybody would remember to keep a sense of humor about the whole scheme of things, we can all enjoy this. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23817	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: More on the General

In a message dated 02/07/2003 8:08:36 PM Mountain Standard Time, Timboy@... writes: > Well, you obviously are passionate about this.  I'll stand up next to you.  > Proceed. >   > Tim Brown > Tim, If this piece is genuine and he has a certificate from the preservation society stating so, why didn't/don't they want it? Surely they could buy it if genuine and important to the museum. If they want it, I'll be the first guy to give $10 or $20  towards purchasing it and getting it home. If that piece were stolen as alluded to by some, don't you think the law would be all over that guy? Who knows, maybe that number plate was removed by the Union Army when they confiscated it during the civil war in order to camouflage it's identity. Even though they didn't get far with it, that could have happened. They would most likely have thrown it into a creek, river, canyon, gully, etc., who knows. In any case it is highly unlikely that this guy or someone he knew stole it. If so, then they are complete idiots for putting it on Ebay.  In any case, if he/she came by it legally, it's theirs, and this isn't a socialist country (yet), so he/she can do as they darn well see fit. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23818	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/7/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line S Gauge Cars

If these are made from the same tooling as some of Marx's "medium quality" cars (as opposed to their "deluxe" line, which was too big for S), then we certainly will have an inexpensive alternative to Flyonel. For myself, I've been converting Marx plastic (and metal) rollingstock to S for years, so K-Line hasn't opened any new vistas for me. That's ok, I have plenty of modern projects to keep me occupied for some time. :^) As for scalers using K-line S for bashing, I'd bet any scaler having such a bent has already done so with old Marx. It'll be interesting to see how K-Line does with these offerings. I wish them well, but to me it all smacks of "too little too late." Still, I may buy 1 or 2 just for jollies, if the roadname is right. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23819	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: American Flyer wheel gauge

The gauge between the rails is 7/8 of an inch. So the gauge between the wheels is about 13/16 of an inch or slightly less. Well ---- Actually you don't use glue. It is supposed to be a press fit. If the wheel is real loose on the axle I would try crazy glue first. Any oils will prevent the glue from sticking. Another way; If you can slide the wheel off the axle then put a dimple or 2 on to the axle with a center punch then press the wheel back on over the dimple might work. I know --- Real tricky. Roger "trainman634 " wrote: > Can I buy a American Flyer wheel gauge? Which kind of glue do you use > to glue the wheels? > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Roger Hinds To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23820	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: American Flyer wheel gauge

Don't know where to get s Flyer wheel gauge. Measure as IronHorse suggests below at the point where the flanges meet the tread. If you have a caliper set it for 13/16 or so. Best way to attach a loose wheel on a car is with some red loctite from an auto supply store. IronHorse wrote: > > The gauge between the rails is 7/8 of an inch. So the gauge between the wheels is > about 13/16 of an inch or slightly less. > Well ---- Actually you don't use glue. It is supposed to be a press fit. > If the wheel is real loose on the axle I would try crazy glue first. Any oils will > prevent the glue from sticking. > Another way; If you can slide the wheel off the axle then put a dimple or 2 on to > the axle with a center punch then press the wheel back on over the dimple might work. > > I know --- Real tricky. > > Roger > > "trainman634 " wrote: > > > Can I buy a American Flyer wheel gauge? Which kind of glue do you use > > to glue the wheels? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > Roger Hinds > To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models > go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23821	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: More on the General

If it is stolen, there is no way anybody could have "come by it" legally. Any purchase of the item, no mater how far you are removed from it being stolen is still "receiving stolen property" or "buying stolen property". I have heard of RRs going to swap meets and confiscate switch locks, keys and other RR items with the RR's name on them because they were stolen sometime or other as the RR never sold them to anybody. Also there was no civil war in the good old US of A. Thank you Larry Jackman wrote: > > In a message dated 02/07/2003 8:08:36 PM Mountain Standard Time, > Timboy@... writes: > > > Well, you obviously are passionate about this.  I'll stand up next to you.  > > Proceed. > >   > > Tim Brown > > > > Tim, > > If this piece is genuine and he has a certificate from the preservation > society stating so, why didn't/don't they want it? Surely they could buy it > if genuine and important to the museum. If they want it, I'll be the first > guy to give $10 or $20  towards purchasing it and getting it home. If that > piece were stolen as alluded to by some, don't you think the law would be all > over that guy? Who knows, maybe that number plate was removed by the Union > Army when they confiscated it during the civil war in order to camouflage > it's identity. Even though they didn't get far with it, that could have > happened. They would most likely have thrown it into a creek, river, canyon, > gully, etc., who knows. In any case it is highly unlikely that this guy or > someone he knew stole it. If so, then they are complete idiots for putting it > on Ebay.  In any case, if he/she came by it legally, it's theirs, and this > isn't a socialist country (yet), so he/she can do as they darn well see fit. > > Steve >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23822	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: A follow up on the General

Guys, I sure didn't mean to start a firestorm when I posted the original message about the General's number plate auction. But this seems to prove that many more of you are interested in early railroad history than it appears. I was initially alerted to the auction on the Yahoo EarlyRails group, where this has been a hot topic. One of the members e-mailed the curator of the museum (George Deeming) where the General is preserved, to let him know about it and see what he knew. Here's what George Deeming at Kennesaw has to say: "We had him come into the museum something like a year ago trying to sell this piece. I didn't see it but my assistant did. If the seller has a letter from Bogle authenticating the plate then I believe it to be the real McCoy. But we didn't see anything like a letter at that time, however he may have had Bogle look at it since then. Our budget was going into the rebuilding of the museum and we had little in the way of acquisition funds back then.The plate currently on the General at the museum is a repro so this very well may be the real deal. I know that the General was involved in an accident with freight cars back in the 1880's and this could account for how he got it or he may have had some connections with the rebuilding back in the 1960's and possibly the number plate was switched out then. I'm checking with Bogle to see if he did authenticate it. The ad sounds like you're getting an autographed copy of 'The General and The Texas' that Bogle co-authored. It doesn't say anything about 'an authentication from Bogle'. Personally, I'd be a little leery about spending $5,000. without looking this one over, first... I don't know if this clears anything up...but its what I know. George Deeming, Curator - The Southern Museum of Civil War and Locomotive History." ------------ Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23823	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: inexspensive alternative

Chuck Wrote :"then we certainly will have an inexpensive alternative to Flyonel" Hey guys, we already have a more inexpensive alternative. Wake up! A S-Helper box car compared to a Flyonel, well, I can't stop laughing because there is no comparison. And that my friends, is nothing but facts. Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23824	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1761

Steve, I tend to agree with you on this one, if he owns it legally. However, if a yankee did steal it, with all of the concessions we Southrons have made, would it not be prudent of this fellow to donate, receive a written document stating it's value to deduct from his taxes, get a real job and history would be preserved. Probably not. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23825	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale

John Brockmann, caught up in the f'ray over the General's number plate on E-Bay, asked: >How about it Chris Z? What???? How did I get sucked into this???? Well OK, John, you opened the door. These remarks are not directed at just you, though. There have been a number of posts. Only a couple have brandished the voice of reason. This is a case of some guys on this list flying into an emotional tizzy over something they know almost nothing about. It helps to have the facts before making decisions. I went to the E-Bay page and I am struck by the open and apparently straightforward nature of this auction, including much offered documentation and provenance. It would be a fairly simple matter to do some research on this. For one, contact the Civil War museum in Kennesaw and the Cyclorama museum in Atlanta. They can provide a great deal of information about the engines in the chase and the travels of their various parts. The curator of the Kennesaw museum might be very interested to hear of this auction. Secondly, contact the seller and ask him (NICELY!) how he comes to be in possession of this artifact. Discuss with him your concerns about it being lost to a private collector when it might best be rejoined with the locomotive. Perhaps there is a story there. Third, do a little research on the engines and find out about the different numbers and plates they have worn over the years. The Internet is an open book. Finally, do the math. At $5000 and each guy chipping in $10, you need 500 contributors. I just spent 4 months getting the money straightened out and product shipped to 85 guys in that Caig project. Who is going to organize a 500 Man March for the General's number plate? Come on, step forward. Get it started and I'll send you my check. Or, alternatively, you can write a quick post on a trainlist and demand that the owner of a valuable antique donate it, for free, to a museum because that's what you think is right. And it doesn't cost you anything because talk is cheap. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23826	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Civil War and donating

Larry wrote,..."Also there was no civil war in the good old US of A". Does that mean there was no "Civil War",.....or, no "civil" war in the US of A?? And to get 500 list members to donate money??? We can't even get more then a hand full to vote during a "S" List poll!!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23827	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed

OK, I warned you that I would have some very basic questions as I got back into AF... I have a question about cleaning original AF track and rubber roadbed. Now I'm not talking about cleaning the top of the rail, top side of the rail and connecting pins for operational purposes. What I want to clean off is the years of general dust and grime plus Christmas tree and decoration residue (what is that sticky, shiny stuff?). I've already hit everyting with the shop vac but it did only so much. Would simply using soap and water be OK? I'm concerned about dunking the track and roadbed in water for fear of ruining those paper-like tie insulators. Any thoughts? Maybe I'm getting carried away with this but I want to start out as "clean" as possible. Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23828	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed

I have, in desperation, "dunked" AF track into soapy water to clean it. Drying almost immediately is important! I used a hair dryer, but if you have a lot to do, I suppose you could put it in a 215 degree (Fahrenheit) oven to dry. The insulators seem to have survived! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23829	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: On the right track - Cleaning AF Track and Roadbed

Jeff, IMHO consider the following: I once had the experience in the late seveties of restoring track on a decent size little set that has two ovals. I used a multiple approach in the following order: * With an extrmely light grade wetted kitchen scour pad rubbed of any rust - make sure to collect up any left over grit - 1 reason for wetting it is that the grit spreads less * If an area was really bad, in a few spots had to use a wetted sand paper * Used track cleaning fluid to generally clean the track * For areas that were still dirty applied copper/brass cleaner to get grime off - there are pastes and liquid forms * Had luck using standard ink and pencil erasers used by school children that can be bought at Wally World or Target's to also remove stubborn grime areas - this is a tedious but great way to clean copper wheels on flyer trains too! I avoided the following: * Dunking the track in any liquid to preserve the paper insulation * Don't using steel wool to clean the track, since the tiny metal bits can wreak havic with electrical motors; there are platic scour pads that are better to use I then touch up painted any black ties that need it... There are rust removers available - maybe someone in the group could comment on the applicability of this stuff to track restoration. Rubber road bed was cake and conducive to mass parallel processing * Dunk all roadbed in soapy water and let soak * General scrubbed and seperate out to dry * Laid out pieces over paper * Picked a shiny Black Krylon paint and spray painted them * They looked great - like absolutely new! * Its about 25 years since and still look great with a little shine But I must tell the truth - the track part was very tedious and boring and I didn't derive much fun from it... ie - never again. My real advice - buy new reproduction track from K-line, its not that much if its just for around the tree. Or look at the Gargraves track (stainless) and mount it to an oval board set for quick set up/split up! When I did my track restoration the K-line track that wasn't avialable we used gargraves for display/storage track on the wall, but wanted the set to have authentic flyer track. Good Luck _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23830	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Insulated rail joiners

In addition to Switch and Track Superdetail Parts: these guys also have these hard to find items, IJ48 Code148 Joiners, slip-on Plastic Insulating 12/$2.75 IJ25 Code125 Joiners, slip-on Plastic Insulating 12/$2.75 >>>>>Right-O-Way make very nicely profiled rail in code 83, 100, 125 and a couple larger sizes. http://www.protojournal.com/2_ad_row.htm The company specializes in O scale, Right-"O"-Way, but you can get away with using some of their P48 track detail parts.<<<<<<< Ted Larson One step closer to geek-hood Now on DSL! and loving it!!!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23831	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed

Gilbert advocated the use of kerosene to clean the rails. Of course, he was talking about a little dab on a piece of cloth. To do a quantity, I would do it outside, even though it's oil, I can't advocate using something flammable inside. Here's an experiment I would try if I had a quantity of track to clean and I didn't want to spray paint it flat black: dunk a section of track in a pan of kerosene to let it soak a while, then use a toothbrush to remove rust and let the track section dry thoroughly outside after wiping the section of track off as best you can with a rag. Test it with a continuity tester. If there are no shorts, try a few more sections, then test when dry with a transformer and loco. If everything is okay, go for it. Others have advocated a glass bead booth to blast the dirt and rust off. Please post what you find has worked best in your efforts. Good luck! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; BeechCrRR@... Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed I have, in desperation, "dunked" AF track into soapy water to clean it. Drying almost immediately is important! I used a hair dryer, but if you have a lot to do, I suppose you could put it in a 215 degree (Fahrenheit) oven to dry. The insulators seem to have survived! S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23832	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: American Flyer wheel gauge

To my knowledge, there is no AF wheel gauge available. The wheels tolerate being under gauge fairly well. I suggest picking a car or engine that runs well and let its wheels be your guide. You need to be clearer about gluing wheels. Most wheels are press fit so glue is not normally necessary. The wheels on steam engine sometimes need to be glued as part of a repair. If your question is about a steam engine drive wheel, check out the repair tips on Paul York's web page: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/repair.htm. Also search the archives of the S-Trains group. You will find a rich literature on different solutions. If none of those answer your question, ask this group again and you will get several answers. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 17:51:15 -0000 > From: "trainman634 <carl4260@...>" <carl4260@...> >Subject: American Flyer wheel gauge > >Can I buy a American Flyer wheel gauge? Which kind of glue do you use >to glue the wheels?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23833	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: cleaning AF track and roadbed.

I don't ever recall seeing so much bad advice posted on any one topic before. The best way to clean Flyer track is with a wire brush about 1 inch wide and 6 inches long with a long handle. Hardware store item. Wear a dust mask or respirator mask. Asbestos was widely used as a scenery base in the 1950's, and other scenery substances and basement crud and mold can also be irritating or toxic Work outdoors or else vacuum up any dust produced immediately. Wear the mask while you are vacuuming, too. The Kline S track I have seen has pins too wide to mate with real Flyer, and the rail metal was too soft to be of practical use as toy train track. Perhaps it has been improved. I have not seen much of it. Rubber roadbed should be washed with a mild solution of dish detergent and water, and a soft plastic bristled brush. The American Flyer S Gauge track system is by far the best American toy train track system ever made. Accept no subsittutes! Glean this. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23834	From: Joe Fariello	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: AF Water Tower

I just received, as a gift, an American Flyer Water Tower. It did not come with instructions or the control button, but I was able to find the wiring diagram in my K-Line Instruction Manual. My Question: Can I use a momentary Radio Shack push-button switch? When I push the button, is the water tower arm supposed to just snap down or does it come down gradually? Is it supposed to stay down? Basically, I am trying to find out how it is supposed to work. Thank you, Joe Fariello Cooper City, FL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23835	From: dicklong14052	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: 2 in 1 Whistle button

Does any one know how to re-wire the control button for the 2 in 1 whistle? I know it should have a black and a yellow wire along with the rainbow wire that goes to the whistle. The wires were removed from the button that I have. Thanks in advance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23836	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: New K-line/Old Marx

Everything old is new again:) I checked out a couple of greenberg publications on Marx trains from the local public library today, just to see what marx boxcars looked like. I hope K-line makes a different truck and coupler 'cause those Marx trucks reminded me of an fwd muddragger... regular body -jumbo wheels. imagine sticking a 4X4 chassis under a vega, you get the idea. If they don't look "dorky" I may buy a couple SF boxcars. Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23837	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: 2 in 1 Whistle button

Sorry, I'm out of my depth with that one. Tom Jarcho, can you help? Richard Longley wrote: > > It's the #761 Billboard 2 in 1 whistle, the one with > the 2 button control. > > --- Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> wrote: > > I can probably help if I can figure out what "2 in > > 1" means. > > > > "dicklong14052 " wrote: > > > > > > Does any one know how to re-wire the control > > button for the 2 in 1 > > > whistle? I know it should have a black and a > > yellow wire along with > > > the rainbow wire that goes to the whistle. The > > wires were removed > > > from the button that I have. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- > > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers > > (RASG) > > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. > > http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a > > fool > > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23838	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track and roadbed.

Well, I must disagree with my friend across the continent! "Best way" depends on the amount of dirt, etc. My advice for washing was for track that is only dirty, not rusty or encrusted with layout paint, etc. And when I'm doing that job, I use an old toothbrush for disturbing the dirt. The job is tedious, no way around that, but develop a "pattern for your cleaning (top of all ties inside the rail, outside on left side, outside on right side, underneath all ties, then side of ties, all four on one side, then all four on other, then right side of both rails, then left side of both rails, and then bottom of rails, then rinse and set on the "to be dried pile") You'll develop a rhythm for it, and it can go faster. Play some train music while working, or whistle! ;-) Any other stuff usually requires a dust mask (great advice, Tom) as you don't know what your going to be disturbing--rodent droppings, etc. etc. Then you can use wire brush, scratchy pads, Dremel with brush, etc. I usually use a glass-bead machine. When you get this deep into stuff, it usually also requires painting. I paint using a pattern too, and start with the track right-side up, and flip it over onto some doweling or small angle iron, so it's just setting on four small contact points. I do the bottom last, as I don't care what the finish looks like on top of the rails, as I will wipe or sand it off there. I have found cleaning the paint off the top and inside edge of the rails afterwards is best done with some wet/dry paper, 400 grit or finer, done wet, and the track cleaned off afterwards. An air compressor with a blow gun is good for this--as is the good old hair dryer. Well, that's just some quick overviews, and not the only ways to handle the problem either! S" David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23839	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: AF Water Tower

Joe, & all, The water tower is just a solenoid, so the button would work just fine. The spout is only down while the button is pressed, and you don't want to keep it down a long time either--can we say "burnt coil?" Rate of decent varies with voltage, but assent is usual pretty quick! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23840	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Track cleaning

Of course, if you go scraping at the track as hard as you can with a stiff wire brush, you won't hurt the paper insulation. No. Stupid! A while ago someone posted a tip about using a scotch brite to shine up the track and clean it off. That sounded good. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23841	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed

Stack the roadbed on edge in the family dishwasher. Put your favorite dishwasher soap in and turn it on. Check occasionally on the first batch to make sure it is not moving in the racks. Let it dry and apply "Armorall". Our buddy Jeff (the MAYTAG man) did several loads in his dishwasher for our Christmas Open House layout this year. Looks great. Linda ran ALL the track we used thru a wire wheel (gently) then buffed with GREEN ScotchBrite pads. All we wanted was the top of the rail clean. Looked good, was easy to keep clean. Layout was successful, we have been invited back this Christmas, and given more layout space. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23842	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: communications boxes

Hi All, Does anyone have or know where I can get the communications boxes that are next to the cab here? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/RS3.jpg I am guessing that a large box for HO may work for the small box for S Scale. I would be interested in buying about 5 of them if you have "extras" in your parts box. Please reply to me with a price and hopefully a scan or photo at billlane@... because I don't get email from most of my lists. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23843	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Track cleaning

**((( A while ago someone posted a tip about using a scotch brite to shine up the track and clean it off. That sounded good.)))*** I'm a big fan of the ol' ScotchBrite pads,.....great for the top o' the rails!! I have never done a intensive cleaning of other parts of the track though. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23844	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Track cleaning

Another track cleaning trick is "GOO GONE" on a cloth or track cleaning car. Have to be sure to get it off the track. Cleans "grime" right off. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23845	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: It's Official

The featured manufacturers this year at the National Toy Train Museum are S HELPER SERVICE and AMERICAN MODELS, both manufacturers of quality S-Gauge/Scale products. Their products will be on display for the 2003 season in the "Manufacturers Showcase". All you "S" folks, make sure to catch Don Thompson's 10:30 AM presentation at NTTM's April 24th YORK THURSDAY event. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23846	From: Roger Walton	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: rewiring a 762 (2-in-1 whistle) control box

Hold the 762 (2-in-1 whistle) control button facing toward you. Turn it over so that the red button is on the left and the green button is on the right of what is now the underside. You should see four connectors along the top and two connectors along the bottom. The red wire of the rainbow gets connected to the far left of the top four connectors. The yellow wire of the rainbow gets connected to the "next to right" of the top four connectors. The green wire of the rainbow gets connected to the far right of the top four connectors. The black wire of the rainbow gets connected to the left one of the bottom two connectors. That takes care of the four wires coming into the control box. The yellow wire that gets connected to the fixed voltage post on the transformer comes off the same post (i.e., "next to right") that the incoming yellow wire was connected to. The black wire that gets connected to the base post of the transformer comes off the same post (i.e., left one of the bottom two connectors) that the incoming black wire was connected to. That takes care of the two wires coming out of the control box. There is one more wire on my button. It is a small black one that connects from the "next to left" of the top four connectors to the same connector (i.e., the far right one) that the incoming green wire was connected to. That's the way mine is wired. Hop ethis works for you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23847	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: cleaning AF track/roadbed.

Roadbed in dishwasher? I wouldn't try that. The temperature would be too high,and the detergent too strong. The roadbed might survive but might be made pretty brittle too. Doubt it would last as long. Armorall contains a substance that attacks rubber. Check the archives; we went all up and down that one. I think I will do a little research on maintaining rubber. We need to know more on this. Cleaning Flyer track is not fun. Now,if you are confronted with a box with say 300 pieces of dirty AF track, and you want to attack it with a tooth brush or a scotch brite pad, be my guest. It's gonna take you a while!!! I would rather use a method that's a little more efficient, thanks. A glass bead cabinet would be good, but most of us don't have access to one. A wire wheel is ok, but many passes must be made to get it at all the proper angles of attack . The brush's wires will get into several different planes simultaneously. Also, the wire wheel takes off too much metal unless great care is used. And should the wire wheel snag a piece of track and hurl it, injury could result. Therefore, I feel that the most efficient way of cleaning AF track is with a long handled wire brush as described. It does not produce museum quality restoration in most cases, but does quickly get the track clean enough to operate well and look good. The wire brush will remove scenery materials and oxidation. After that, wiping the track with a rag wet with isopropyl alcohol will remove oil and grease. If the track hasn't been used for years this may not be necessary. And Tim, while the insulators may get scratched a little, their integrity will not be threatened. They are not ordinary paper or cardboard, but a tough fiber board substance. Further, I resent being called "stupid" by someone whom I was teaching how to wire their layout, only a few months ago, and doing it urgently because the way you had it wired was a fire hazard. We have found that three things are absolutely necessary to make this list work: No politics. No religion. No insults. Let's keep it that way. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23848	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track and roadbed.

just a idea, i have never tried it but,,, maybe some kind of wire wheel on a grinder might be less work and might clean the track better and faster once you get use to using it,,lou.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] cleaning AF track and roadbed. > I don't ever recall seeing so much bad advice posted on any one topic before. > > The best way to clean Flyer track is with a wire brush about 1 inch wide > and 6 inches long with a long handle. Hardware store item. > > Wear a dust mask or respirator mask. Asbestos was widely used as a scenery > base in the 1950's, and other scenery substances and basement crud and mold > can also be irritating or toxic Work outdoors or else vacuum up any dust > produced immediately. Wear the mask while you are vacuuming, too. > > The Kline S track I have seen has pins too wide to mate with real Flyer, > and the rail metal was too soft to be of practical use as toy train track. > Perhaps it has been improved. I have not seen much of it. > > Rubber roadbed should be washed with a mild solution of dish detergent and > water, and a soft plastic bristled brush. > > The American Flyer S Gauge track system is by far the best American toy > train track system ever made. Accept no subsittutes! > > Glean this. > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23849	From: firex43	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF Track

The best method I've found for normal cleaning of the tops of AF standard and PM track is to use a cleaning block made by Roco. This is similar to a Brite Boy cleaning block as sold by Walthers but the one by Roco is 2-3 times the thickness of the Brite Boy and lasts forever. It has silicon in the pad and is smoother than the Brite Boy. By it's thickness, it is ideal to use in a flat orientation and works well. For truly rusty PM track, remove the rails from the tie strip, run 3 sides through a wire wheel and re-install. The Roco pads are sold in HO scale as a spring loaded boxcar for rail maintenace. The block sold separately is a much thicker version of the same pad. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23850	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: inexspensive alternative

Chris The Trainnut wrote: >Hey guys, we already have a more inexpensive alternative. Wake up! A >S-Helper box car compared to a Flyonel, well, I can't stop laughing >because there is no comparison. Exactly< Chris, there is NO comparison between Flyonel and SHS. That's why I didn't mention SHS, which is in a much higher class. :^) But the ex-Marx plastic molds that K-Line apparently is using for their new S gauge line IS comparable to ACG plastic molds, having most details molded in. And K-Line is asking only $20 apiece for the new cars, much less than Lionel's demand for a similar product. (Opening doors aren't worth another $25 per car to me.) Given that Lionel has been using Chinese labor for a few years now, well, that should tell us all something about Lionel's... er, pricing policies. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23851	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] New K-line/Old Marx

As I had posted earlier, my contact at K-Line says the S line will have new trucks and couplers. Roy Inman ---------- > From: Jeffrey Tangeman <jt12313@...> > Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 18:26:03 -0600 > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New K-line/Old Marx > > Everything old is new again:) > > I checked out a couple of greenberg publications on Marx trains from the > local public library today, just to see what marx boxcars looked like. > > I hope K-line makes a different truck and coupler 'cause those Marx trucks > reminded me of an fwd muddragger... regular body -jumbo wheels. imagine > sticking a 4X4 chassis under a vega, you get the idea. > > If they don't look "dorky" I may buy a couple SF boxcars. > > Jeff > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23852	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed

Step 1. TAKE THE TRACK OUT OF THE ROADBED!!! Sorry to shout, but separating the two makes things so much easier. 2. Roadbed I agree with the idea of soaking the roadbed in a mild soap/warm water solution (I used LOC, an Amway product) for at least an hour. I also agree with the remarks about putting the stuff in a dishwasher, kinda dicey, I would think. Wouldn't wanna try that. Then scrub the rb while it's wet with an old toothbrush. Rinse thoroughly. Allow to dry. 3. Track To clean the rail tops only, I usually go over it with a brown or green Scotchbrite pad. (An ink eraser works on light rust too.) To clean rail and ties of dirt or light rust, I use a 1" steel bristle wire wheel in a moto-tool on low rpm. Much more controllable than a full size wire wheel, but much finer cleaning than a handheld wire brush. If a light touch is maintained, you can get considerable rust off of the blackened metal without damaging the black finish. There now, that's one more opinion to consolidate with the rest. 8^D Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23853	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] cleaning AF track and roadbed.

Tom, et al, I picked up some K-line to AF conversions pins at a local hobby store. Made by K-line and on super special, since the store is pretty much getting out of the train business. Roy Inman ---------- > From: jarcho@... > Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 16:38:53 -0500 > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] cleaning AF track and roadbed. > > > > The Kline S track I have seen has pins too wide to mate with real Flyer, > and the rail metal was too soft to be of practical use as toy train track. > Perhaps it has been improved. I have not seen much of it. > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23854	From: Keith B Thompson	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Code 125 rail - puzzle]

Bob, I'm not the one with the problem. :) When laying track i don't think that i've had the track end with the rails even. So it never occurred to me that the bundles had an odd number of pieces! kbt From: Bob Werre <bob@b...> Date: Fri Feb 7, 2003 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: Code 125 rail - puzzle Ken Garber wrote: >"Keith B. Thompson - Sun" wrote: > > > >>Right-O-Way make very nicely profiled rail in >>code 83, 100, 125 and a couple larger sizes. >> >> >> > >A Ponderance.... > >Why is it that rail is sold in 99' bundles? Should it not be 102' bundles? > >99' gets you 16 pairs of running track and one piece leftover. > >Then you have to buy a second 99' bundle in order to use that last piece. > > > >Hey.. it's Friday - the brain's tired. > >Ken > > > > Yes it is Friday Keith--the answer to your problem is to cut the last 3 ft section in half so you would have two pieces--even steven. Bob > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23855	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Curved track radius question.....

I don't know a radius from a hole in the ground,...well, I know ya can't fall into a radius,...but back to the point,...I know that AF curves have 19+" (almost 20") radius. In an older CTT column on "S" modulars,...it mentions AF curves with outside K-Line 27" radius curves,....the curves I ordered from K-Line are 54", I believe, no mention of 27" curves. HEY!! It just dawned on me that two 27's, makes 54!! Soooo...I guess now the question is,...are the 54" radius curves one piece,...and before did K-Line make 27" curves in two pieces to make 54"....or am really confusing myself (along with others!) now?? Help us that are radius challenged!! Thanks!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23856	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track/roadbed.

Tom, If you can dish it out, surely you can take it. I didn't call you stupid. I called the idea of using a wire brush stupid. I had no fire hazard. You weren't there. Now that all this is over, let's start again, shall we? Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: jarcho@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 10:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] cleaning AF track/roadbed. Roadbed in dishwasher? I wouldn't try that. The temperature would be too high,and the detergent too strong. The roadbed might survive but might be made pretty brittle too. Doubt it would last as long. Armorall contains a substance that attacks rubber. Check the archives; we went all up and down that one. I think I will do a little research on maintaining rubber. We need to know more on this. Cleaning Flyer track is not fun. Now,if you are confronted with a box with say 300 pieces of dirty AF track, and you want to attack it with a tooth brush or a scotch brite pad, be my guest. It's gonna take you a while!!! I would rather use a method that's a little more efficient, thanks. A glass bead cabinet would be good, but most of us don't have access to one. A wire wheel is ok, but many passes must be made to get it at all the proper angles of attack . The brush's wires will get into several different planes simultaneously. Also, the wire wheel takes off too much metal unless great care is used. And should the wire wheel snag a piece of track and hurl it, injury could result. Therefore, I feel that the most efficient way of cleaning AF track is with a long handled wire brush as described. It does not produce museum quality restoration in most cases, but does quickly get the track clean enough to operate well and look good. The wire brush will remove scenery materials and oxidation. After that, wiping the track with a rag wet with isopropyl alcohol will remove oil and grease. If the track hasn't been used for years this may not be necessary. And Tim, while the insulators may get scratched a little, their integrity will not be threatened. They are not ordinary paper or cardboard, but a tough fiber board substance. Further, I resent being called "stupid" by someone whom I was teaching how to wire their layout, only a few months ago, and doing it urgently because the way you had it wired was a fire hazard. We have found that three things are absolutely necessary to make this list work: No politics. No religion. No insults. Let's keep it that way. Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23857	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/8/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track/roadbed.

Hi Tom...I've had success with using the dishwasher to clean rubber roadbed. I use only the "short"cycle and take it out before the "drying"cycle starts. I then let it "air" dry on newspapers. I did a whole bunch about 10 months ago and the roadbed appears to be OK. Maybe, try one piece in your dishwasher(that's dirty of course!)and see how it works in your machine... Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] cleaning AF track/roadbed. > Roadbed in dishwasher? I wouldn't try that. The temperature would be too > high,and the detergent too strong. The roadbed might survive but might be > made pretty brittle too. Doubt it would last as long. > > Armorall contains a substance that attacks rubber. Check the archives; we > went all up and down that one. > > I think I will do a little research on maintaining rubber. We need to know > more on this. > > Cleaning Flyer track is not fun. Now,if you are confronted with a box with > say 300 pieces of dirty AF track, and you want to attack it with a tooth > brush or a scotch brite pad, be my guest. It's gonna take you a while!!! > I would rather use a method that's a little more efficient, thanks. A > glass bead cabinet would be good, but most of us don't have access to one. > A wire wheel is ok, but many passes must be made to get it at all the > proper angles of attack . The brush's wires will get into several different > planes simultaneously. Also, the wire wheel takes off too much metal > unless great care is used. And should the wire wheel snag a piece of track > and hurl it, injury could result. > > Therefore, I feel that the most efficient way of cleaning AF track is with > a long handled wire brush as described. It does not produce museum quality > restoration in most cases, but does quickly get the track clean enough to > operate well and look good. > > The wire brush will remove scenery materials and oxidation. After that, > wiping the track with a rag wet with isopropyl alcohol will remove oil and > grease. If the track hasn't been used for years this may not be necessary. > > And Tim, while the insulators may get scratched a little, their integrity > will not be threatened. They are not ordinary paper or cardboard, but a > tough fiber board substance. > > Further, I resent being called "stupid" by someone whom I was teaching how > to wire their layout, only a few months ago, and doing it urgently because > the way you had it wired was a fire hazard. > > We have found that three things are absolutely necessary to make this list > work: > No politics. > No religion. > No insults. > > Let's keep it that way. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23858	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....

On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:05:21 -0800, Rick Evans wrote: > Soooo...I guess now the question is,...are the 54" radius curves one piece Point 1, 54" diameter for K-Line, 40" for AF. No one seems to talk radius about stick track. I am not sure if K-Line needs 3 or 4 pieces to make 90'. But the ARE sticks of tracks much like AF stick track. RubberRoadBed.com makes rubber for their track as well as the real AF track. Someone yesterday mentioned the pins are wider on KLine, so it sounds like a bit of sanding on the pins to plug KLine into AF might be in order...??? I'm thinking about some 54" curves for my main line. Since no one makes replacement AF switches in 54" then I have to use AF track to match up with switches. KLine also makes a 30" straight (3x AF straight) in one piece so I might use some of that for the main line and cut down on the number of joints to deal with. I just have to plan out where I need fiber pins for blocking, then see where I can sneak in some 30"'s. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23859	From: jckksi	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Cleaning Flyer rubber roadbed

While I was building my Flyer collection during the 1980's I did not have an operating layout, but I bought rubber roadbed whenever I could find it to use on my layout someday. I also bought quite a few remote control switches which frequently came with a lot of track, mostly quite dirty. My solution to cleaning the roadbed was very simple - actually it was suggested by a fellow Flyer enthusiast but I forget which one. To clean ordinary dirt and oil (not layout paint) from the roadbed I put it in the washing machine (NOT the dishwasher). I put two or three dozen pieces of road bed in the washer, added a cup of laundry detergent, set the machine for small load (low water volume) and the gentle cycle (to minimize agitation). I even let the washer go through the spin and rinse cycles and never experienced any unbalanced loads or any torn or broken pieces roadbed. After the washer was finished, I would take out the roadbed pieces and place them on towels to let any remaining water drain off. I used this process more than 10 years ago on several hundred pieces of Gilbert Flyer roadbed without any problems, although my wife was a bit sceptical at first. The only problem I've experienced with brittle roadbed was a few pieces that had been cut to fit short sections by someone. Jim Knight TCA, NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23860	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....

Rick, Radius is the distance from the center of a circle to the edge. Diameter is the total distance across the circle, or the radius x 2. Thus 27" radius track sections will build a 54" circle Clear as mud ? Steve Blancard Rick Evans wrote: > I don't know a radius from a hole in the ground,...well, I know ya can't fall into a radius,...but back to > the point,...I know that AF curves have 19+" (almost 20") radius. In an older CTT column on > "S" modulars,...it mentions AF curves with outside K-Line 27" radius curves,....the curves I ordered from > K-Line are 54", I believe, no mention of 27" curves. HEY!! It just dawned on me that two 27's, makes 54!! > Soooo...I guess now the question is,...are the 54" radius curves one piece,...and before did K-Line > make 27" curves in two pieces to make 54"....or am really confusing myself (along with others!) now?? > Help us that are radius challenged!! > > Thanks!! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23861	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track and roadbed.

I sell a General cleaner for removing all kinds of grime. It is better than common household cleaners. That is the name of the product "General (military) cleaner" I sell a product that is great for removing rust and shining up all metals. If there is any interest please write back.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23862	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....

On Sun, 09 Feb 2003 08:07:14 -0500, Michael Lueck wrote: >RubberRoadBed.com makes rubber for their track as well as the real AF track. Oops, going too fast from memory this AM, correct link is: http://www.roadbed.net/ Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23863	From: rtanson	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Hoosier

hey guys, thought ya' all would like to see what just came out of the shops here....i was also told to have 'Roger Nulton' to take a look as he may enjoy seeing this loco. all the artwork and printing of decals were done in house. Bob Anson custom painting, Kingstree, SC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23864	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: This is where American Flyer S Gauge was launched!

Finally, I am happy to announce that the Gilbert / American Flyer 1946 Catalog is now online for viewing. This is of course where Gilbert first cataloged its new S gauge line. The catalog was printed on large sized paper, and was 14 1/2 by 10 1/2 inches in size, when folded shut! (I had wondered why most of the catalogs I saw for sale of eBay had been folded in half at some point!) I had a heck of a time getting a hold of this catalog for scanning. I was snipped on eBay once, but finally got a better catalog that came all the way from Canada by Poney Express, I think... Too big for any scanner I could find, each page had to be scanned twice and then pieced together. It turned out well though, and is complete with its 1946 price list. Enjoy... http://myflyertrains.org PS: If anyone can help, I still need scans of catalogs from 1947, 1948 and 1965. Also looking for 1938 and 1940. Thanks, Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23865	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: CHAT Tonite & track cleaning thoughts (WHY, not how)

We have a Sacramento Valley American Flyer Club meeting today, and since it's a 2-1/2 hour drive one way, I doubt I'll be back in time for Chat tonight, so y'all have fun! RE: track cleaning. While there are many ways to do it, I think we can all agree that it is a tedious project. Why do it? Well, new track ain't exactly cheap, K-Line or Gargraves or SHS, or AM or???. Also straight sections of ACG track are not easy to come by either. It is amazing how rusty track can get, and how much it can be cleaned up (especially with a glass bead machine). I used to do this in "bulk" A can of spray paint will fully cover at least 25 sections of track (I forget the number, it's been too long ago)./ That's two coats, both sides. However, you do need to inspect when you polish the paint off the tops, I found a piece or two that had rusted clear through the rail top. I didn't throw them away, they became "dashboard riders"--a sample to show people when I was at a swap meet or yard sale, "Ya done seen any track like this around?" So many people have no clue when you ask them about "old trains"--they're likely to dig out some old Tyco HO to sell you! Well, time to get ready to go to the meeting. The host puts on a great feed bag! (Hey Rick, this out-classes your BBQ! ) :-) S' David D. PS No, I don't usually talk like I quoted above, but it is sometimes wise to not appear too sophisticated! ;-) Gotta go get me some vittles now!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23866	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: CHAT Tonite & track cleaning thoughts (WHY, not how)

David wrote: **((( I didn't throw them away, they became "dashboard riders"--a sample to show people when I was at a swap meet or yard sale, "Ya done seen any track like this around?" So many people have no clue when you ask them about "old trains"--they're likely to dig out some old Tyco HO to sell you!))*** That's a great idea!! Also,...pass out a few to friends and relatives that hit yard sales quite a bit,...they know you like trains but have NO clue as to what ya collect!! I've told an ex-wife of mine,..(who hits a lot of sales and swap meets) to buy anything (if it's cheap enough!!) with American Flyer on it!! She saw boxes of AF trains once,...but they were gone when she went back! :^( David also wrote: **((Well, time to get ready to go to the meeting. The host puts on a great feed bag! (Hey Rick, this out-classes your BBQ! ) :-)))*** Well,...I WAS going to invite you down,...weather has been nice (during the day!!),..and was going to BBQ today!!! MMmmMmmMmmmm......Q'ed chicken!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23867	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....

**((Thus 27" radius track sections will build a 54" circle))*** Thanks to all that replied!! It all makes sense now! I've got that radius vs. diameter thing down!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23868	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - SHS Starter Set

Brand new in the box! Price Tag says $299. Didn't Sell at $250 in my last post. First $200 gets it. Free shipping in the contiguous 48. Mark New list is up (lots of Flyonel!). Click on this: http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23869	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Estate Sale-SHS Starter Set-SOLD!

The set has been sold. Thank you. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23870	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Hoosier

Not sure what you are talking about. Is there a photo somewhere? Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rtanson <amoore4@s...>" <amoore4@s...> wrote: > hey guys, thought ya' all would like to see what just came out of > the shops here....i was also told to have 'Roger Nulton' to take a > look as he may enjoy seeing this loco. all the artwork and printing > of decals were done in house. > Bob Anson custom painting, Kingstree, SC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23871	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF Track/Roadbed

Hi there, I have found that AF track likes to collect crud inside the "T" body--that is the area from the top foot of the rail up to the bottom of the railhead. You see it especially on Flyer switches. Even the real stuff has that problem if you have ever looked. While apparently real in appearance for track maybe, I sure hate it. Like Norm of "This Old House" might say, you could make a patterned wood jig to fit that space and then use mounted 400 sandpaper to scrub that area out I have used an inverted short piece of Flyer railhead as a jig to accomplish that on disassembled switches that needed heavy cleaning. It works good. As I have suffered from sinus reactions to any of this work, I highly recommend mask use--even those cheap Walmart Masks will help. If you use vacuums--keep the exhaust aimed downwind! A central house vac system solves that problem--or work outdoors if you have that ability. One fault with Flyer switches is the eventual loosening of the crimped metal electrical leads tightened on the foot of the rail---which leads to stalling. If the track has tarnished, or is dirty in those locations, you have more headaches to deal with electrically. I still enjoy the switch design which I am sure involved much expense by the company to produce these somewhat complex "Toys". John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23872	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 9, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23873	From: carltonlowry	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Chat room

I tried to get in tonight on both php and Yahoo! I can see I'm in the room, but I can't chat. I need some assistance on a possible project in the planning stages. I want to make a map of the United States and place a train layout on it. Does anybody out there have a conversion program for miles to feet? in other words, to plan this out right, I need measurements of the United States and then convert them down to a possible 20' X 10' area. If someone out there can get me pointed in the right direction, please contact me off list. I would appreciate any input I can get concerning this project. Thank You, Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23874	From: Marty Rajsich	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track

HI I have cleaned my AF track with a small wire wheel on a dremel type drill motor and it works great, it takes some time to get to all the areas of the track but it looks good when you are done, I would like to know if the insulator between the rails is paper or if it has any asbestos in it, or any thing that might be harmful if it is inhailed Parker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23875	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Flyer 952 pullman

I have a friend, who has no computer, looking for a 952. Any one have one they'd like to part with? -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23876	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: Chat room

Have you tried just converting the measurements? For example, the United States is about 3000 miles wide, so 3000 miles divided by 20 feet equals 150 miles to the foot. So every foot on your layout would represent 150 miles. For example, if Iowa is 300 miles wide (and that's just a guess), then it would be 2 feet wide on your layout. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question....is there more to it than that? No matter how you slice it, it's gonna be pretty tough in S scale.... Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Crpntr12449@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Chat room > I tried to get in tonight on both php and Yahoo! I can see I'm in the > room, but I can't chat. > I need some assistance on a possible project in the planning stages. > I want to make a map of the United States and place a train layout on > it. > Does anybody out there have a conversion program for miles to feet? in > other words, to plan this out right, I need measurements of the > United States and then convert them down to a possible 20' X 10' area. > If someone out there can get me pointed in the right direction, > please contact me off list. I would appreciate any input I can get > concerning this project. Thank You, Carlton > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23877	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/9/2003
Subject: Re: CHAT Tonite & track cleaning thoughts (WHY, not how)

Rick, We had Chicken tonight, but it wuz gourmet chicken, stuffed w/basil and other goodies. Also pasta with dried tomatoes and other neat stuff, and even salad. It wuz great! As I told Judy (Howard S's better half), "Them wuz good vittles!" YUM, I et too much! The train layout was neat-o too. Remote controlled even. Don't know if I can get used to that! (The remotes were made by some company that puts a big "L" on their stuff.) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23878	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: K-Line

Lionel people would never run Marx, but they bought K-Line (Marx)because of price. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23879	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....

By "stick track" I assume you mean sectional track. If not, let me know. K-Line 54 uses 6 pieces to a semi-circle. The rubber roadbed is made by Johnson. They advertise in CTT. I have this track and it plugs directly into Flyer track with no modification. Pin size is identical. The only apparent evidence that the track was not made by Gilbert is the K-Line name stamped unobtrusively into one tie. The track that does not have the same pin size is Gargraves. I have a very early piece of Gargraves that is actually gauged too narrow to plug into Flyer. How it was released into the marketplace I have no idea. In 0 gauge, Gargraves is big medicine. It has been powerfully supported by Ross Custom Switches, an outfit that makes Gargraves style switches, crossovers and incredibly complex interlocking devices that are just beautiful. They keep promising to move into S, but cannot spring for the re-tooling and heavy inventory commitments for a gauge that does not embrace Gargraves as it's gold standard. The development of competing track systems actually works against us. If we all standardized on one system, that manufacturer would be able to expand into a variety of radii, switches and other track devices. Other manufacturers would also be able to tool up to make specialized accessories for that standard without having to commit to building a complete system. This strategy is what made the old IBM PC standard the most widespread computer system in use today, where Apple is a better machine with fewer users because it all had to come from one manufacturer. The same is true for our trains. As S-gauge hi-railers (our majority), we have equipment made as "AF compatible", a gauge and coupler standard, by several manufacturers. We successfully mix them (with some adjustments) on our layouts. We have a high degree of backward compatibiliy and can run 50 year old trains with the new. Our track is not on the same page as our trains. It is bizarre and really unacceptable that SHS and AM are manufacturing two competing and essentially incompatible track systems. While SHS track looks good, it requires a substantial investment to switch over to the system. It reminds me a little of Marklin's old HO system. AM track looks like scaler track, plain and simple. It's just regauged HO, really, with hi-rail flange clearance. The Gargraves is more toylike, but it can be blended with original Flyer more easily. The pins are thinner, true, but that can be overcome. There is a height difference that is also easily surmounted. It comes in regular and stainless. Also, there are 36" flex curves as well as fixed sectional curves. Gargraves switches have a weird long frog that works well but will never be mistaken for a scale model of reality. Other people have made switches for this system. I have a switch with an elegant dual throw point system. I have no idea where I got it, but it's a beauty. Then, there is Ross. I had hoped at one time, before SHS and AM track hit the market, that we would win over Ross. I am afraid that that possibility has faded from view as a result of the competing systems. It's a small and finite market that cannot really support 4 track systems. A.C. Value Lines was the fifth, but he's gone belly-up, and his product was Flyer/Gargraves compatible. SHS is taking a leadership position in the new track market. The big question now is, will Don be able to tool up enough varieties of turnout and add complexity in the form of yard ladders, crossovers, Y's, curve switches, and a selection of radii on the ballast base he offers? If he does, he will dominate the market and spur fence sitters to convert, reducing the value of original Flyer track to ten cents a section. The problem of the limited market remains, however, and his investments in tooling need to pay off. It is no accident that SHS track is offered in sizes and radii identical to Flyer. I laughed heartily when I read Neil Besougloff's editorial in the most recent CTT. He spoke about making layouts flexible and modular so that they can be torn out and redone every couple of years. That might be the way it is in his world, but every big layout I visit is built into the room like it was a permanent part of the house. Mountains are made of plaster and sometimes concrete! People are not big on change. I think his concept is a good one. I plan to incorporate some of those ideas in my work. But guys who have been building Flyer are married to those curves. Broader curves mean bigger layout tables and (horrors!) changing the scenery. Varying switch numbers mean nothing to someone who plans to exactly replace his Flyer switches. Most people want what they know. Too many choices moves us away from toy and toward scale. It's a kind of hobby inertia imbued with an irrational reverance for what has gone before. It is why, after all these years and all this development, we can't get scale length passenger cars. We are still trying to stay compatible with tight curves and huge switch machines manufactured 50 years ago. Some of the defenders of the old even get nasty about it, just ask Ron Bashista what happened to the CZ project. This track thing has got to be solved. We must adopt one unified system and then expand it. It must serve the needs of the most hopelessly reactionary Flyer fan as well as open new vistas for the experimental hi-railer. Track, for us as it was for the Union and Central Pacific railroads 140 years ago, is the path to our future and the obstacle in our way. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23880	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Curved track radius question.....

Correction. I said 6 sections for a semi-circle. This is true for original Flyer. The 54" diameter uses 8 sections, 16 in a circle. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23881	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Chat room

I think its a Grand Idea.....3000 miles converts to ONLY 46.87 Miles in "s" Scale...Plus allow about 4' aisles at each end....Roughs out to a building about 46.89 MILES LONG.....WHAT A BUILDING!!!!!!!....Bob Conner NCARB Architect ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Brindell" <dbrindell@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <Crpntr12449@...> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat room > Have you tried just converting the measurements? For example, the United > States is about 3000 miles wide, so 3000 miles divided by 20 feet equals 150 > miles to the foot. So every foot on your layout would represent 150 miles. > > For example, if Iowa is 300 miles wide (and that's just a guess), then it > would be 2 feet wide on your layout. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your > question....is there more to it than that? > > No matter how you slice it, it's gonna be pretty tough in S scale.... > > Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Crpntr12449@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:17 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Chat room > > > > I tried to get in tonight on both php and Yahoo! I can see I'm in the > > room, but I can't chat. > > I need some assistance on a possible project in the planning stages. > > I want to make a map of the United States and place a train layout on > > it. > > Does anybody out there have a conversion program for miles to feet? in > > other words, to plan this out right, I need measurements of the > > United States and then convert them down to a possible 20' X 10' area. > > If someone out there can get me pointed in the right direction, > > please contact me off list. I would appreciate any input I can get > > concerning this project. Thank You, Carlton > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23882	From: Hannon	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Postwar Lionel O-Gauge Reference Manual II

This is to let you know that Volume II of J.L. Cowen's postwar Lionel trains will be published on or before March 5, 2003. You can find a synopsis of this manual at: http://www.trainrefs.com This manual covers Motorized Units, Rolling Stock (Electrically Operated Cars) and Accessories. It also includes postwar whistles and remote control track switches. Facing a dwindling supply of wound parts, the publication of this manual provides a recourse to "shelving" a unit, or parting it out, when a wound component finally dies, or APPEARS to be going bad. Taking all the publications, and the web updates together, it is hoped that every Postwar American Flyer S-Gauge and every Postwar Lionel O-Gauge wound part not only has a past, but now has a future (every part, that is, with the exception of transformers, tuned coils and bimetallic strips). Bob Hannon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23883	From: John Brockmann	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: "General" for sale

Chris,since you are "the man" at collecting from members on the list, IMHO you were the obvious choice to collect the opening bid on the "General" plate. I am well aware of what it would take and was NOT suggesting you attempt the feat. As it was, no bid was placed. I wonder if it will show up again. Was a great topic for discussion tho and even brought out into the open a letter from the curator, John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chris Zizzo <busyboy@o...> wrote: > John Brockmann, caught up in the f'ray over the General's number plate on > E-Bay, asked: > >How about it Chris Z? > > What???? How did I get sucked into this???? > Well OK, John, you opened the door. These remarks are not directed at just > you, though. There have been a number of posts. Only a couple have > brandished the voice of reason. > > This is a case of some guys on this list flying into an emotional tizzy over > something they know almost nothing about. It helps to have the facts before > making decisions. > > I went to the E-Bay page and I am struck by the open and apparently > straightforward nature of this auction, including much offered documentation > and provenance. It would be a fairly simple matter to do some research on > this. For one, contact the Civil War museum in Kennesaw and the Cyclorama > museum in Atlanta. They can provide a great deal of information about the > engines in the chase and the travels of their various parts. The curator of > the Kennesaw museum might be very interested to hear of this auction. > Secondly, contact the seller and ask him (NICELY!) how he comes to be in > possession of this artifact. Discuss with him your concerns about it being > lost to a private collector when it might best be rejoined with the > locomotive. Perhaps there is a story there. > Third, do a little research on the engines and find out about the different > numbers and plates they have worn over the years. The Internet is an open > book. > > Finally, do the math. At $5000 and each guy chipping in $10, you need 500 > contributors. I just spent 4 months getting the money straightened out and > product shipped to 85 guys in that Caig project. Who is going to organize a > 500 Man March for the General's number plate? Come on, step forward. Get > it started and I'll send you my check. > > Or, alternatively, you can write a quick post on a trainlist and demand that > the owner of a valuable antique donate it, for free, to a museum because > that's what you think is right. And it doesn't cost you anything because > talk is cheap. > > > Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23884	From: AF336	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Satin Silver color match

I was wondering if anyone had ever touched up some of the original Flyer satin silver cars, and was hoping to get zeroed in on a paint brand/type that was a good match. I was also wondering how close the LTI/Flyer satin silver is to a match. MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23885	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: RS3 fan grilles

Hi All, Does anyone have any "extra" Des Plaines Hobbies RS3 fan grills? It is item # DPS 665 Alco RS3 Cooling Fan Grill. Item DPS 662 Alco FA2 Cooling Fan Grill may work as well. You would have to get a good measurement of them. Des Plaines is out of stock. I could use up to 4 of them. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23886	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: 19B Transformer

As I continue to attempt to get everything working I seem to have come across a major roadblock. My 19B transformer is not working, at least I don't think it is. Upon pulling it out of the box, I noticed that the electrical cord was shot--it had become brittle and cracked. So I bought a simple extension cord, cut the non-plug end off and wired it into the transformer. I quickly put together a simple circle of track, attached the track clip and put the Hand Car on the track. I plugged in the transformer and that wonderful green light turned on. There was also a soft humming sound. But upon pushing the lever down there was no action with the Hand Car or the 290, which I tried later. There was no movement of the volts or amps needles on the transformer's gages either. I have never had a problem with this transformer so I hope it isn't dead. Frankly, it is one of my favorite pieces of equipment. I last used it seven years ago. Outside of getting myself a volt meter, does anyone have any ideas as to what to check out? Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23887	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: cleaning AF track

I thought I should mention that; If you use sandpaper (no matter how fine) or a wire wheel you are damaging the surface of your rails. Last I knew AF rails are nickel plated which I don't think you want to remove.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23888	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Magazines

I have the S Gaugain magazines from Nov/dec 1990 to Sept/Oct 2000 you can have for shipping costs of $25.67 UPS I have S/Sn3 buyers/modelers guide Issues 1/3, 2/2, 2/3, 2/4, 3/1, 3/2, 3/3, 3/4, 3/5, 3/6, 4/1, 4/2, 4/3, 5/6, 6/1, 6/2, 6/3, 6/4, 6/5 and 7/1. You can have them for cost of shipping of $ 13.00 UPS I have the dispatch magazines Oct 1989 t0 Dec 1996 plus Feb, April, June, Aug, Oct and Dec 1997. plus Feb, April and June 1998. You can have for shipping cost of $16.90 UPS The shipping costs are apox and if they are less I will refund any over payment. Please contact pe off list at ljack70117@... Thank you Larry Jackman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23889	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: cleaning AF and scale track

A good number are asking me about what I have available for cleaning track. I am posting this to both lists, because people from both are asking. Sorry if this sounds like a commercial. Everyone wants optimum performance for their trains with a minimum of effort. So lets see if I can be of help. I sell a concentrated cleaner that is a lot better than your house hold cleaners. It is in liquid form. It will clean up a lot of crud from your rails and everything else in your train room. I am still amazed at how good this cleaner is. It comes in a 32 oz. bottle. It will make 5 gallons. It can be used full strength for hard to clean items. I use it all around the house and garage. So, it is not just for trains. Another item is for removing rust as well as polishing metals. It works great. I have used it on AF and scale rails, my truck, kids rusty bicycles. etc. This comes in a 16 oz bottle. one drop goes a long way. Note: It really does remove rust. But I admit it won't remove thick rust like a person might get on a car frame. The other item is Wahl Clipper oil. After using the above to clean your rails apply this oil to keep your rail clean FOREVER. I have been using this for 20+ years. I think I have applied it only twice in all these years. Two drops will do your whole layout. One fellow rubbed down all his rail with the oil and wondered why his drivers were slipping. He kinda over did it. Another important side affect; This oil stops your wheels from electrical arcs at rail and switch joints. You will be amazed at how slow you can run your train through switches. The light flashing in your coaches will be eliminated. All products are none toxic. They all come with instructions for your train room use. So prices; The cleaner 32 oz $ 28.98 makes 5 gallons Rust remover, metal polish 16 oz 21.98 The oil 4 oz 6.50 Instructions free For all 3 items 49.95 Send payment to: Roger Hinds 6 Trudeau rd. Bethlehem NH 03574 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23890	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Satin Silver color match

Hi, Out of curiosity one day I dabbed a little Rustoleum metallic silver paint on an Erector Set part and held it up to a diesel loco truck sideframe. It looked like a pretty good match. I'd be afraid to try a touch-up with it, tho' as I don't know if it would hurt the original surface. If you do think maybe you've found a match, try it somewhere that won't show first before you make worse that which you are trying to make look better. Some paints attack bare plastic or other paints. IMHO, unless the piece is very bad, I'd leave it alone. Good luck and be careful, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: AF336 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 3:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Satin Silver color match I was wondering if anyone had ever touched up some of the original Flyer satin silver cars, and was hoping to get zeroed in on a paint brand/type that was a good match. I was also wondering how close the LTI/Flyer satin silver is to a match. MK S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23891	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: 19B

This is funny. I am sitting here writing an article on these transformers for S Gaugian when your question appears. Your problem is probably either that the roller is not contacting the coil, or that the wire to the roller is broken. As the Duck has pointed out, breaks in this wire often do not show. My guess is that your 19b has a 2 piece roller arm. One piece holds the roller and is anchored to a plate on the transformer core. The second piece is attached to the turret and has two tabs that go over the first piece and control its movement. The lower piece has probably popped out from under the upper piece, and the roller is not contacting the coil windings. To check this, with the transformer unplugged, remove the back plate and look inside the unit with a flashlight. If the strip and bearing assembly has popped out from under the contact lever and stud assembly, you can usually pop it back under without any further disassembly. To check and repair the wire, you have to remove the case from the bottom plate. WARNING ! I hope that you have some experience repairing appliances. You are dealing with something here that is much more powerful than toy train current and can produce fire and shock hazards if not done correctly. Frankly, I wonder if it is a good idea for you to be doing this work. If you are not experienced in this type of repair work it is better done by a professional repairman. For instance, splicing an extension cord into the power cord is a poor idea. if the wire outside the case is damaged, then the wire inside the case is suspect andthe entire cord must be replaced. if you didn''t know this already, you should not be doing this repair. For another instance, before plugging any transformer in, you should test for continuity between the primary and secondary. You didn't mention if you did this test. It is a basic preliminary test for ANY appliance. If you didn't know about this, you should not be doing this repair. To test for continuity touch one tester probe to both prongs of the plug simultaneously, and touch the other probe to every metal part and sufrace on the transformer. If there is an on/.off switch, do this with the switch in both positions. If there is any such continuity, don't even think of using the transformer. I hope I am wrong about the above warning. Please don't get angry -- people need to know this stuff. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23892	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Painting repro roadbed question...

Hi all, Soon I'll be buying repro roadbed for the K-Line 27" radius curved track I ordered,....and I have grey/gray (pick a spelling!!) AF roadbed. Any tips on spray painting the roadbed?? Prep work? Type of paint? Thanks!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23893	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Rubber Road bed

Hello To All....... Im looking for some more Gilbert HO rubber roadbed. Anybody have any leads or any for sale??? Its not super rare so I know tons more of it is out there. Thanx to all those who reply!!!!Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23894	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: funnin

HEY........WAS JUST FUNNIN........OK 1. Get a good map of the United States, from AAA or others...you should be able to find one about 24" x 12" in one piece...I have several around here.. 2. Draw a box around it...enclosing the area you want to include.. 3. Go to Kinky Kopies and make A couple of copies in the reduction / enlarge modes until you get 20" x 10".... 4. Divide the box by say 30 for 3000 miles...each box will be 100 miles...you can use an engineering scale for this.... 5. Also, with A good AAA map there should also be a scale somewhere on it ....Just use it with a piece of paper...IE...Make a temporary scale... 6. Don't forget that ALMOST all maps are flattened projections and the shortest distance between two points is usually A curve.... Reminds me..... A man went hunting....He set up his camp...Next morning he went 10 miles due south...no luck....He then went 10 miles due east....Found a Bear...Shot it...and drug it back to camp which was exactly 10 miles.....What color was the Bear???? Bob...Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: Crpntr12449@... To: rcon7@... Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat room Thanks a lot, Bob. I appreciate the information along with the sarcasm. There is something positive in anything, one just has to look. I am trying to scale the size to about 20' X 10.' I know you, being an architect can help with this. My question was to get distances of the contiguous United States, i.e., distance from Maine to Florida, Maine to Washington State, Florida to California, etc. Seriously, if you or anyone you have contact with knows of a location online I might be able to find these distances, I can scale accordingly. I'm a carpenter, we have to build what you guys draw. Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23895	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: funnin

white

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23896	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: funnin

Hi Bob, White!! Man youse almost had me "snowed" on that one!!! ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23897	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Kerosene

Hi, I found it! This has been driving me nuts for a couple days. In an earlier post, I mentioned that Gilbert advocated the use of kerosene to clean the rails of the tracks. I finally found the reference. On page 30 of the Gilbert American Flyer Instruction Book, reprinted by the Bibliographic Press in 1997 it states, "Track can be kept clean by using a regularly prepared track cleaning fluid, put out by American Flyer, or you may use a fine sandpaper to polish off the tops of the rails then wiping with a cloth dampened with a little kerosene." It goes on to warn to have the current turned off first and NEVER use gasoline or other highly flammable mixtures. Now, I don't know if the intent was to clean the track with kerosene, or use it as a rust inhibitor after it has been cleaned with the sandpaper. However, THAT is where I thought out loud about an experiment for cleaning old, rusted track by soaking it (outside) in kerosene, then using a soft toothbrush to clean off the rust and gunk. My late father owned his own garage and for about 30 years, he kept a vat of kerosene into which he soaked engine parts for degunking. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23898	From: trainman634	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Stamped metal boxcar frames

I am new to American Flyer train collecting and have many questions? What year did American Flyer switch from die-cast boxcar frames to metal boxcar frames and what was the first boxcar to have a metal frame? I received a AF set for Christmas between 1946 and 1948. I remember it had a die-cast 4-4-2, die-cast log car and a 630 Reading caboose. I do not remember the set having any other freight cars. It had a square metal transformer. You removed the boiler front to replace the headlight. All the catalogs I see have a 4-4-2 set with two freight cars and a caboose. Did they ever manufactured a set with just a log car and a caboose? Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23899	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF track

Hi, On page 55 of the American Flyer Instruction Book, Gilbert says to "Clean the running surface regularly with a fine sandpaper, then clean rails with a rag dampened with NON-FLAMMABLE No.27 American Flyer Track Cleaning Fluid." On page 3 of the American Flyer Service Kit Manual, there is a reference to using sanding sticks "for cleaning the film from ...any parts of the rolling stock or track". I've also seen a reference to using sandpaper to clean tracks in the "DO" section at the back of the Instruction Book. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: IronHorse Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; cofa@... Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 6:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] cleaning AF track I thought I should mention that; If you use sandpaper (no matter how fine) or a wire wheel you are damaging the surface of your rails. Last I knew AF rails are nickel plated which I don't think you want to remove. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23900	From: eric.reis	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Satin Silver color match

There is a modelers type paint Testors silver 1246 (if memory serves) that was one I used that was a very good match. We went through this on this list about a year ago so a check if the archives may be helpful for other ideas. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Brown [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; AF336 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Satin Silver color match Hi, Out of curiosity one day I dabbed a little Rustoleum metallic silver paint on an Erector Set part and held it up to a diesel loco truck sideframe. It looked like a pretty good match. I'd be afraid to try a touch-up with it, tho' as I don't know if it would hurt the original surface. If you do think maybe you've found a match, try it somewhere that won't show first before you make worse that which you are trying to make look better. Some paints attack bare plastic or other paints. IMHO, unless the piece is very bad, I'd leave it alone. Good luck and be careful, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: AF336 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 3:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Satin Silver color match I was wondering if anyone had ever touched up some of the original Flyer satin silver cars, and was hoping to get zeroed in on a paint brand/type that was a good match. I was also wondering how close the LTI/Flyer satin silver is to a match. MK S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23901	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: Stamped metal boxcar frames

It was asked--- **(((What year did American Flyer switch from die-cast boxcar frames to metal boxcar frames and what was the first boxcar to have a metal frame?)))*** Well,...according to Greenberg,....the 1946 #633 Boxcar, had plastic frames,...die-cast in '48,... and some 633's had sheet metal frames as well in '48,....some 633's got the sheet metal frames in '49. It appears the 633 was the first to have sheet metal frames,....I, or the book, could be wrong! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23902	From: waldootten	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits

DAMHIKT: OKAY: If you insist on using sandpaper, use only a high-grade paper -- the 3- or 4-digit grits used in the very final stages of auto body work. Put a drop of oil to moisten, but don't soak. BETTER: Use 0000 [white] synthetic sandpaper blocks (looks like a synthetic kitchen scrubbing pad) and gently stroke along the rails. These are available in woodworking shops and sometimes in the paint section of the Big Boxes like Home Depot and Lowes. Requires a bit more Elbow Grease [doesn't Chris Zizzo sell that, too? ;-) ] If your "rusty" or beat-up track is so far gone the top of the rails are pitted, forget trying to save it. It'll kill plastic wheels over time. Use circles of it for picture frames on the walls of your train room. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23903	From: waldootten	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF track with sandpaper, Chapter II

Forgot to mention, and DAMHIKT, either. Too large a grit paper will produce near-invisible cuts and scratches in the tops of rails. These scratches are also known as DIRT MAGNETS and you'll have to clean your rails more often than you'd like. PK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23904	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: More on Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits

First, ACG rails had a variety of coatings over the years, Black track was black oxided, Silver track was zinc or cadmium, and MAYBE nickel. I say maybe because it is a more expensive plating. Side rods were often nickeled in the early years, then zinc and cadmium. Operation of the trains does wear away the plating. Yes, sanding does remove plating too. Rust occurs where there is no plating, or other protective coating and moisture is present. Cleaning with sandpaper should be done with the finer grits, 400 grit or higher (you can easily get up to 2000 grit in an automotive paint supply store nowadays--BTW, this fine a grit used to only be available as a "modeling sandpaper" and cost a lot more!). This is usually in a "wet or dry" paper, which does work better, and lasts longer used wet--water or a mild solvent (I use water). The "Scratchy pads" are also useful for the cleaning, and can be used wet too. When refinishing reclaimed track, I do not sand the finish off the rail tops if the track is not going to be used soon. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23905	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: More Cleaning AF track with sandpaper, Chapter IIB

I forgot to mention: small pits can be sanded out, but don't forget, you are making the top of the track thinner! Sanded track shouldn't have any sharp edges at the pits (because of the sanding), but it does encourage electrical arcing, which CAN lead to reverse unit cycling and early wear-through of the rail top. As to damaging plastic wheels, I am more concerned with sharp edges at the ends of the track pieces. After assembling your track, I would recommend checking the joints for sharp "burrs" or edges, and file or sand them down. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23906	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Old AF track usuage.....

**(( Use circles of it for picture frames on the walls of your train room.))** Along with showing a piece of track at yard sales,...and passing track out to friends to help find more... the above is ANOTHER great use of old AF track!!! I just might have to try it!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23907	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: ACG instructions and abrasives

My guess, and it is a guess, is that the big changes since the original Flyer instructions were written, are advances in the way abrasives are bonded, be it to blocks or paper. Did they have good #600 sandpaper back then? Those emery boards that were included in the service kits are brutal. i once fixed a double motor diesel in which 5 of the 6 commutator leads had been broken by too zealous use of an emery board. The abrasives were way too coarse, just as fine sandpaper is too coarse for cleaning rail. Of course, in those days, if you sanded through your rail tops or trashed your armatures, hey, Gilbert would be glad to sell you more! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23908	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: More on Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits

David D. wrote: >First, ACG rails had a variety of coatings over the years, Black >track was black oxided I have a few pieces of "black rail" Gilbert track. Wish they had continued to make it that way. >Silver track was zinc or cadmium, and MAYBE nickel. You sure about that, David? Applying zinc to steel is usually called "galvanizing", and it leaves a mottled finish, as on metal trash cans. Cadmium? You may be correct, but where did that info come from? I'm curious... 8^o!! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23909	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: 19B Transformer

Hi Jeff....it sounds like your overload(circuit breaker) could be "toast". You could try and by-pass this(temporarily of course!) re-assemble and try it on your test track. I must stress that you should feel confident in doing this type of electrial repair and understand the safety issues, to avoid personal injury and possible fire hazard. I would recommend getting an VOM meter. You don't need an expensive one($20) and if you learn all it can do, it can be most useful. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <BeechCrRR@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 19B Transformer > As I continue to attempt to get everything working I seem to have > come across a major roadblock. My 19B transformer is not working, at > least I don't think it is. > > Upon pulling it out of the box, I noticed that the electrical cord > was shot--it had become brittle and cracked. So I bought a simple > extension cord, cut the non-plug end off and wired it into the > transformer. I quickly put together a simple circle of track, > attached the track clip and put the Hand Car on the track. I plugged > in the transformer and that wonderful green light turned on. There > was also a soft humming sound. But upon pushing the lever down there > was no action with the Hand Car or the 290, which I tried later. > There was no movement of the volts or amps needles on the > transformer's gages either. > > I have never had a problem with this transformer so I hope it isn't > dead. Frankly, it is one of my favorite pieces of equipment. I last > used it seven years ago. Outside of getting myself a volt meter, > does anyone have any ideas as to what to check out? > > Jeff > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23910	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: Re: More on Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits

Hi Chuck, Years of experience Chuck! Mostly with old car parts. Ford used Zinc and Cadmium for bolts and switch covers, etc. some Erector set stuff is nickeled, so it is possible some rails were, most most of the ACG track I've seen doesn't have the right sheen to have been nickel, but does match the finished found on early Ford cars. I didn't think about it, but it is also likely that the track was made from sheets of tinned metal. Sheet metal can be purchased pre-finished, and I suspect that is what ACG used, as it would be much cheaper than plating after it is made into rails. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23911	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/10/2003
Subject: 19B Transformer

If the circuit breaker were damaged, that is, if current couldn't pass through it, then the green bulb would not light. The green light is connected to the fixed voltage and the base post. It is connected to the base post through the circuit breaker. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23912	From: train1010	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Track Cleaning, Use LGB Track Cleaner.

Hi, I've cleaned a lot of track; Flyer, American-S-Gauge, Brass and O-2rail. The best thing is the LGB Track cleaner. It fits your hand, doesn't wear or ruin the rail. The Brightboy, just smears the dirt around, scrapes your finger on everything in the way. Reg, Calif.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23913	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: 19B Transformer

That is a good sign. Whew! Jeff > If the circuit breaker were damaged, that is, if current couldn't pass > through it, then the green bulb would not light. The green light is > connected to the fixed voltage and the base post. It is connected to the > base post through the circuit breaker. > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23914	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: 19B

No offense taken, Tom. I appreciate the info. I guess my timing was pretty good with this question! When I installed the extension cord I did not splice it to the old cord. I removed the back and bottom plates of the transformer and removed the original gray cord in its entirety and rewired the new cord inside. Nonetheless I appreciate the safety implications involved with what you describe. I will assign this to my wife, the engineer, and my father-in-law who have much more experience with these kinds of things. Thanks for the guidance. Jeff > This is funny. I am sitting here writing an article on these transformers > for S Gaugian when your question appears. > > Your problem is probably either that the roller is not contacting the coil, > or that the wire to the roller is broken. As the Duck has pointed out, > breaks in this wire often do not show. > > My guess is that your 19b has a 2 piece roller arm. One piece holds the > roller and is anchored to a plate on the transformer core. The second > piece is attached to the turret and has two tabs that go over the first > piece and control its movement. The lower piece has probably popped out > from under the upper piece, and the roller is not contacting the coil > windings. > > To check this, with the transformer unplugged, remove the back plate and > look inside the unit with a flashlight. If the strip and bearing assembly > has popped out from under the contact lever and stud assembly, you can > usually pop it back under without any further disassembly. To check and > repair the wire, you have to remove the case from the bottom plate. > > > WARNING ! I hope that you have some experience repairing appliances. You > are dealing with something here that is much more powerful than toy train > current and can produce fire and shock hazards if not done correctly. > Frankly, I wonder if it is a good idea for you to be doing this work. If > you are not experienced in this type of repair work it is better done by a > professional repairman. > > For instance, splicing an extension cord into the power cord is a poor > idea. if the wire outside the case is damaged, then the wire inside the > case is suspect andthe entire cord must be replaced. if you didn''t know > this already, you should not be doing this repair. > > For another instance, before plugging any transformer in, you should test > for continuity between the primary and secondary. You didn't mention if you > did this test. It is a basic preliminary test for ANY appliance. If you > didn't know about this, you should not be doing this repair. > > To test for continuity touch one tester probe to both prongs of the plug > simultaneously, and touch the other probe to every metal part and sufrace > on the transformer. If there is an on/.off switch, do this with the switch > in both positions. If there is any such continuity, don't even think of > using the transformer. > > I hope I am wrong about the above warning. Please don't get angry - - > people need to know this stuff. > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23915	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Satin Silver match found

Hey gang-I tried something for touching up satin silver that is as close to a perfect match as I've ever had-I cut slightly oversize areas (relative to the nick) from ScaleMaster Decals Silver Stripes set. Use Solvaset to get it to conform. It works and is almost undetectable. I get the stripes from ATP Airlines International-check Fine Scale Modeler for their ad-john marganski __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23916	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits

Hi, I don't know what DAMHIKT: means. However, as far as the use of oil on Flyer track is concerned, I direct our attention to Instructions For Assembling And Operating American Flyer 3/16" Scale Trains And Equipment. On page 42 it talks about lubricating the locos and goes on to state, "After oiling, run train around track a few times and then wipe the rails to remove any oil that might have run down on them. This not only keeps the rails bright and shiny, but provides a good electrical contact and prevents the drive wheels from skidding." On the one hand, it sounds like they are just cautioning us not to have excess oil on the tracks, yet it also sounds like they are advocating a light coating of oil on the tracks, but not so much as to promote wheel slippage. I have found repeatedly in Flyer manuals, they recommend the use of FINE sandpaper, so at least that part is clear. I know we can do whatever we want to do. IMHO, it's always nice to know what was the original intent. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: waldootten <waldootten@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits DAMHIKT: OKAY: If you insist on using sandpaper, use only a high-grade paper -- the 3- or 4-digit grits used in the very final stages of auto body work. Put a drop of oil to moisten, but don't soak. BETTER: Use 0000 [white] synthetic sandpaper blocks (looks like a synthetic kitchen scrubbing pad) and gently stroke along the rails. These are available in woodworking shops and sometimes in the paint section of the Big Boxes like Home Depot and Lowes. Requires a bit more Elbow Grease [doesn't Chris Zizzo sell that, too? ;-) ] If your "rusty" or beat-up track is so far gone the top of the rails are pitted, forget trying to save it. It'll kill plastic wheels over time. Use circles of it for picture frames on the walls of your train room. Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23917	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Strasburg RR Theft

All this talk about the Generals Builders Plate and now this happens. I guess the thieves what to cash in on ebay as well,but who knows. Al From: Edward Kaspriske Subject: Backshop List - Fwd: [PRR-FAX] Thieves hit Strasburg RR This Is a crying shame! If the perps are caught, they should be delt with severely!!! Ed K. Posted By: Kelly <kelly@...> Date: Monday, 10 February 2003, at 1:58 p.m. "Last night, thieves forcibly broke in at the Strasburg Rail Road's engine house, and took the following items: The number plates from engines #31, #90, #475. Classification lights from engines #31, and #89. 1 new classification light. 6 rear end marker lamps, 4 kerosene, and 2 converted to battery operation. 1 photograph of engine #89 on the Green Mountain. Side view with specifications. 1 Strasburg Rail Road rule book. Red loose leaf format. 1 Small (about ½ normal size) locomotive brass bell and yoke. 1 ICC steam locomotive defect chart. They also forced open (and destroyed in the process) a steel door to the back shop, but we haven't spotted anything missing from in there yet. It appears that there were two perpetrators in that they left many footprints and tire tracks in the snow. Pennsylvania State Police are investigating. They seemed to have a specific "shopping list" in that they took only railfan collectibles, and only specific ones at that. We at the Strasburg Rail Road ask for the help of the community to return our property to us, and to bring these criminals to justice. If anyone has any information, please call the Strasburg Rail Road at 717-687-8421. By the way, anyone know of a source for reproduction number plates? Seems like there was someone in Virginia, but I don't know for sure. " Forwarded by Alexander D. Mitchell IV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23918	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: funnin

right 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] funnin > Hi Bob, > White!! Man youse almost had me "snowed" on that one!!! > ;-) > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23919	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: funnin

right 3 Bunch of smart guys!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] funnin > white > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23920	From: John Foley	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: SHS

Hi Folks Its nice to see a couple of SHS's cars on the Walthers opening Page http://www.walthers.com/ John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23921	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Merry-go-round

Greetings to all! We are off to the Ertl Country Fair, The grandkids will have lots of fun there, What is this a frown No it's not the clown, The Merry does not go around. I rummaged a lot Through the old "junk" box Looking for a motor or two, The one I found Did go around But one RPM will not do. So here is the task, (With an 8 tooth, 5/16" gear) Can I make it go fast? If so, what must I do To make it go round, Do away with those frowns And maybe the Ferris Wheel, too? Thanks for help! Best to all, Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23922	From: Doug	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: More on Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits

I have 12,000 grit that I use to polish scratches out of Acrylic aquariums. Kits for this are available through Aquarium supply stores. They have multiple grades of paper and liquids to polish scratches. Doug ------------- Original message follows ------------- First, ACG rails had a variety of coatings over the years, Black track was black oxided, Silver track was zinc or cadmium, and MAYBE nickel. I say maybe because it is a more expensive plating. Side rods were often nickeled in the early years, then zinc and cadmium. Operation of the trains does wear away the plating. Yes, sanding does remove plating too. Rust occurs where there is no plating, or other protective coating and moisture is present. Cleaning with sandpaper should be done with the finer grits, 400 grit or higher (you can easily get up to 2000 grit in an automotive paint supply store nowadays--BTW, this fine a grit used to only be available as a "modeling sandpaper" and cost a lot more!). This is usually in a "wet or dry" paper, which does work better, and lasts longer used wet--water or a mild solvent (I use water). The "Scratchy pads" are also useful for the cleaning, and can be used wet too. When refinishing reclaimed track, I do not sand the finish off the rail tops if the track is not going to be used soon. S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23923	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Gilbert in Canada

Does anyone know anything about a Flyer executive named Jack Downey? He was the last president of A.C. Gilbert of Canada Ltd., which folded in the mid-1960s. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23924	From: John Foley	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Allentown, PA. Train Show

Hi Folks This month on the 22nd & 23rd The Spring Thaw Train Show will be in full swing. Next to the NASG Table will be a couple of dealers selling S scale including Brass & Hirail equipment. Also their will be others at the show selling AM, SHS, and AF. Well worth attending if you can get there. Here is the website for the show. http://www.allentowntrainmeet.com/ John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23925	From: waldootten	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning AF track with sandpaper is the pits

> Hi, > > I don't know what DAMHIKT: means. Tim, it stands for: Don't Ask Me How I Know This ;-) Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23926	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1765

This reply is reference the question on satin silver paint from AAF 336. I can't help directly as to color match, but I needed to match some paint earlier and someone referred me to www.weavermodels.com which has an excellent choice of Scalecoat II paints. They helped me. Hope you can use the lead. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23927	From: Lance McCold	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: 54-inch track

Chris, You were right the first time. The K-line 54-inch diameter track is 6 sections to a semi-circle. Each piece is longer than the Flyer curved track. Also, you said that the pins were the same size as Flyer pins. Hopefully newer K-line track pins are the same size as Flyer track pins, but the K-line curved track I have has wider pins. I agree that the wide radius track is good. I find that the trains run better. You can pull a longer train with wide radius that with tight radius. Has anyone used the Gargraves sectional track with plastic ties? It comes in 42, 54, 63 and 72 inch radii. If I were building a hi-rail layout, I would look at the wider radii they have--at least for places where there is room. Everything looks and works so much better on wide radius track that you kind of get attached to it. That said, the SHS and AM track systems are both excellent. Both work with flyer wheels. SHS track is a little closer to scale to tempt the high railers. It is too bad they have to compete. It is remarkable how many choices we have. Am I the only person who bought some of the AC value track before it disappeared? Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:58:38 -0500 From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> Subject: Re: Curved track radius question..... Correction. I said 6 sections for a semi-circle. This is true for original Flyer. The 54" diameter uses 8 sections, 16 in a circle. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23928	From: firex43	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: AF Silver Paint Match and AF and Gargraves Track

For AF silver matches on touch-ups, I have used Floquil Bright Silver with success. Also they sell Old Silver which may be mixed with Bright Silver for variation. Regarding mixing AF and Gargraves track and their pins, I have been using AF switches and Gargraves flex track using either Flyer pins and Gargraves brass pins without any problems. The comments regarding wider radius curves also take advantage of longer sections of track with fewer joints to nick traction tires. Greater longevity for original AF locomotives is the name of the game. Gargraves also sells stainless track in curved and flex sections which is good for those of us that railroad in the basement. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23929	From: lou342ac	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: 54-inch track

Lance, I built my current layout three years ago using Gargraves sectional track. I used both S-42 & S-54 sectional curves and I'm quite pleased with the track. I also purchased their S-42 switches and had problems with Flyer collector shoes jamming in the open frog. I abandoned the switches and replaced them with American Flyer switches. I used cork roadbed under the track and had to shim the Flyer switches to mate to the track. I recently call Gargraves to inquire into their availability of their new S-72 switch. This switch will have a closed frog similiar to the design American S Gauge (the folks in California) are using. Also, the other news they shared with me, the dies they make their section track with has been damaged beyond use. They will no longer manufacture the sectional and they told me the market wasn't large enoungh for the track to offset the cost of new tooling. They will continue to manufacture the wooden tie flexible track and switches. The S-72 switch should be available for sale in time for the York train meet. By the way, Gargraves is in the Yellow Hall. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lance McCold <lancemccold@c...> wrote: > Chris, > > You were right the first time. The K-line 54-inch diameter track is 6 sections to a semi-circle. Each piece is longer than the Flyer curved track. > > Also, you said that the pins were the same size as Flyer pins. Hopefully newer K-line track pins are the same size as Flyer track pins, but the K-line curved track I have has wider pins. > > I agree that the wide radius track is good. I find that the trains run better. You can pull a longer train with wide radius that with tight radius. > > Has anyone used the Gargraves sectional track with plastic ties? It comes in 42, 54, 63 and 72 inch radii. If I were building a hi-rail layout, I would look at the wider radii they have--at least for places where there is room. Everything looks and works so much better on wide radius track that you kind of get attached to it. > > That said, the SHS and AM track systems are both excellent. Both work with flyer wheels. SHS track is a little closer to scale to tempt the high railers. It is too bad they have to compete. It is remarkable how many choices we have. > > Am I the only person who bought some of the AC value track before it disappeared? > > Lance McCold > Knoxville, Tennessee > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:58:38 -0500 > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@o...> > Subject: Re: Curved track radius question..... > > Correction. > I said 6 sections for a semi-circle. This is true for original Flyer. > The 54" diameter uses 8 sections, 16 in a circle. > Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23930	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: cleaning AF and scale track

Roger Hinds says: >The other item is Wahl Clipper oil. After using the above to clean your rails apply >this oil to keep your rail clean FOREVER. ___________________________________________________________________________ Aieeeeeeeee! It never ends. This list re-invents the wheel every 60 to 90 days. Didn't we cover this in depth? I took 120 of you off this Wahl Clipper oil addiction. I thought forever. D'oh! Track cleaning: Isopropyl alcohol works on track that is just dirty. Track cleaners work as well. The stuff Roger sells is not familiar to me, but if it cleans the track, buy it. BUT DON'T USE OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If the track is rusty, you must scrub the rust off. If the sections are loose, use soapy Brillo/SOS in the kitchen sink. If the sections are nailed down to the layout, use a Bright Boy. DON'T USE SANDPAPER! Fine emery cloth maybe, but not sandpaper. DON'T USE STEELWOOL on a layout! The particles end up in the motors. Finish cleaning with isopropyl alcohol or the cleaning solution. Let it dry. Will you rub off the nickel plating? Not on the rusty track, because it's already gone. That's why it's rusty!!! Finally, with a rag, wipe on Caig M260Cp Cramolin paste in a thin coating and then wipe it off. This product is engineered as a contact improving paste, a preservative and a panacea for a myriad of electrical problems. It works like a miracle. I do not work for the company. I am a consumer, like you. 45 people on this list bought the stuff. 75 on the TCA list did also. If you don't have it, contact Caig Laboratories and buy some. www.Caig.com . I'm out of the shipping business. And save the Wahl's Clipper Oil for your Wahl Clipper. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23931	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Cleaning AF track with sandpaper

Gilbert may have advocated the use of sandpaper for some very good reasons. Here are a couple: 1.) Steel wool is a disaster on a layout. 2.) There were no "Bright Boys" or nearly any of the washday miracles we have today. 3.) They knew that the sandpaper might eventually wear away the track, but they didn't expect you to hang onto it for 50 years either. Times have changed. These items can benefit from that change and the new products that are available. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23932	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Cheap trains

Chuck said: >You are mixing "cheap" and "shoddy". A thing can be inexpensive because >of economies of scale and still be high quality. I don't think so, Chuck. By definition, trains made cheaply will be lower in quality than our current standards. The quality manufacturers don't charge $39 for a boxcar as a get-rich-quick scheme. It costs them plenty to manufacture it. The price is a reflection of quality. K-Line will ask $20 for a boxcar and still deliver a decent product, but I can guarantee it will not measure up to SHS. Where we have been confused all this time is in the Lionel line of S-gauge toys which are the equivalent of K-Line's Marx re-issues, but priced at $50 for a boxcar. They, too, should be $20. And now, they have direct competition. What all the posts on this subject were discussing was a toy made to an even lesser standard then the K-Line and Lionel products. What I got from it was a hearkening back to the bad old days of hollow shelled toy train cars with no floor, engines with an interchangeable screw in motor truck chassis and a second coaster truck, but kit-bashable bodies with a fair amount of detail. Personally, I hope to never see the day when S-gauge revisits that toy train hell. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23933	From: mstowem	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: American S track 27" starter kit

I received my track starter kit from classic trains. I have been operating my AF northern freight set on the 27 radius curve on the floor carpet with no roadbed. I have had no problem with the track coming apart or the trains falling off. The code .172 weathered nickel silver track is fantastic. I have compared other brands, but the detail, color of the ties, and the weathered rail make it look like the real thing. The engine and cars run very smooth on it. I found them in Classic Toy Trains Magazine, and viewed track samples, switches and layouts on there web site http://www.classictrains.com Thank you Classic Trains for a great product. I am looking forward to the closed frog switches to go with the track. Arnie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23934	From: waldootten	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Re: SHS

John -- It's nice to see Walthers is upgrading the presence of S-Gauge in their product line. There sure are plenty of us out here. Or maybe it's that they are strating to see it as "$-Gauge." :-) Phil K _____________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Foley <foley164@p...> wrote: > Hi Folks > > Its nice to see a couple of SHS's cars on the Walthers opening > Page http://www.walthers.com/ > > John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23935	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/11/2003
Subject: Supertrain (Calgary Albeta) Feb 15-16th

In case anybody is travelling to Calgary, this weekend is "SuperTrain" our annual trainshow, reported to be Canda's largest(60,000sq feet). We had over 10,000 people last year attend. This year I will probably be the only AF display there, with my 6"X12" tables. There will be hopefully the "S"scale guys with there great looking stuff too! Hope to see you there....Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23936	From: Doug	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning AF and scale track

Chris, What is the trade mane for the Cramolin paste. All I see on their website is CaiLube Grease M260. Is this it? Doug Finally, with a rag, wipe on Caig M260Cp Cramolin paste in a thin coating and then wipe it off. This product is engineered as a contact improving paste, a preservative and a panacea for a myriad of electrical problems. It works like a miracle. I do not work for the company. I am a consumer, like you. 45 people on this list bought the stuff. 75 on the TCA list did also. If you don't have it, contact Caig Laboratories and buy some. www.Caig.comChris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23937	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: K-Line S Gauge

I have spoken with Nick Ladd, K-Line's Director of Sales, several times over the past few days. K-Line will have 2 samples of their new S-gauge line at the Toy Fair, but only 2 and these will not be on display. If you go to Toy Fair, ask to see the new S gauge car prototypes, which will be under the table. Then, please report what you see back to all of us. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23938	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S Gauge

Why are they hiding them?? Hmm. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23939	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: Allentown, PA. Train Show

FYI Smoky Mountain Model Building & Supply will be there to demonstrate our Realistic Rust, Baby Building Blocs, Fine Scale Nail Hole Tools, maybe some "Hot Glue Casting" as well as exhibiting a couple of our National Award Winning NMRA Contest Models. Best Regards, Ben Bendever SMMB&S 8 Halsey Street Somerville, NJ 08876-2636 908/927-9347 www.drbens.com <http://www.drbens.com> "Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you've imagined." --Henry David Thoreau Hi Folks This month on the 22nd & 23rd The Spring Thaw Train Show will be in full swing. Next to the NASG Table will be a couple of dealers selling S scale including Brass & Hirail equipment. Also their will be others at the show selling AM, SHS, and AF. Well worth attending if you can get there. Here is the website for the show. http://www.allentowntrainmeet.com/ John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23940	From: John Huster	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: K-Line's New Ex-Marx S Gauge Cars

Last week I communicated with Nick Ladd from K-Line regarding the new S Gauge tank cars and box cars. According to him "both are ex-Marx freights on new S-Gauge trucks". If you want to see what they look like, check out K-Line's TRAIN 19 line of 0-27 cars. John Huster

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23941	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: use a Bright Boy

Hi Gang, Like I used to tell my Aquarium Customers when I was in the fish business. There are many ways to get from point a to point b. Some may be longer and tedious, and some may be quick. The same can be said about cleaning track. A bright Boy if I remember correctly, has very fine abrasives in it also. Probably equal to about a 400 grit wet dry paper. I have been using 400 grit wet dry paper as long as I can remember along with denatured alcohol after sanding. I have recently started using a very fine sponge type sandpaper along with the alcohol. I have never ruined a piece of track yet. I have had some of my track and trains now for 41-1/2 yrs. This has worked very well for me and for many others. I have excellent contact with no sparking (arcing to be exact for the nit pickers). I'm not about to change either. I don't have too. My advice is, if you have rusted track, buy the new track on the market. It's solid nickel silver. It will stay clean with just a rub down from the alcohol if you wheels are fairly clean. Much easier than rubbing on Wahl Clipper oil or the Caig product, then rubbing it back off. I run my trains a lot. Currently every, other week since last year with an average of 11 hours per weekend. No problems here. If something works for you go with it. If it doesn't, try one of the ideas from the guys on the list. Remember though, Their is not just one correct way to clean, or keep clean, the track we are using for our trains. Now, clean your track and run your trains. And don't forget to have fun and relax with our hobby. People get so uptight sometimes. Geesh! Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23942	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Thomas for S track - Blatant Ad

A new shipment of Thomas the Tank Engine arrived yesterday. If you missed the frenzy at Christmas, here is your chance. It is the common toy converted with an AC or DC motor and runs on all S gauge track. Price is $71 post-paid in the contiguous 48. Picture on my NEW PRODUCTS page. The website is: http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23943	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - SHS Cars

A new offerring - all new in the box - $30 each including shipping in the contiguous 48. 467434 B&O boxcar 00711 Central of GA (maroon) 00523 GN vermillion #1 00522 GN vermillion #2 00525 IGA reefer 00521 PRR Merchadise boxcar 00705 D&RGW box 60024 00707 D&RGW box 60026 00701 B&M box 73001 00703 ATSF box 14149 00709 Central of GA (black) ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23944	From: busyboy@optonline.net	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Big challange]

Roger, while I disagreed with you about clipper oil, I did promote your other products. If it pleases you to use oil, use oil. I never said to not use oil because of slippage. Cramolin Paste will also cause slippage if applied too heavily. They are both lubricants. I said that Cramolin Paste is a contact improving compound that significantly enhances the performance of your trains while protectively coating your rails and impeding the development of rust and lowering the electrical contact resistance at the surface. Oil does some of this and has other benefits, like attacking the material in traction tires and plastic wheels, promoting the decay of fiber materials in lock-ons, track trips and the like, and developing a gummy residue over the long term which promotes the attraction of dirt. Cramolin Paste does not have these features. As to the challenge, I don't doubt in any way the pulling power of your mighty locos. I am, however, going to stick with something I have been using regularly with outrageous results since 1961; Cramolin Paste. You use the oil. Chris Zizzo Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_dRrQ0huCHas2LHJGgOl2aw)" --Boundary_(ID_dRrQ0huCHas2LHJGgOl2aw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT IronHorse wrote: > This message is in response to Chris Zizzo's comments in regard Wahl > Clipper Oil. > If you aren't interested hit delete. But you might find it amusing > > Note to Moderator; The purpose of my reply is to help those having > track to > wheel pickup problems. Some knock my solution, but these people > haven't tried it. > So the challenge below is in fun, but I am also am serious about the > challenge. > Because if I am proved right, everyone will benefit by knowing they > can get products from > me that will solve most of there track to wheel problems. > I hope you don't delete this, It took a lot of time and thought to > put it together. > I am not trying to create a problem. My point is their are those that > say, Don't use a product, > and they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Because they > haven't tried it. > > Now, back to the subject; > > Now here is a chance for Chris to get thousands of dollars of AC > Gilbert, if he is right. > > I have 40 AC Gilbert locos in great shape and many freight cars and > passenger cars. > I will put up all of this in a bet. We are talking over $ 20,000 > worth of AC Gilbert items. > Chris has to put up his trains as well. > > The bet is. My trains (by AC Gilbert) can climb a steep grade and > crawl through switches after using The Wahl > Clipper oil. My loco will be hauling 5 lit Passenger cars. > Note; I will have to run my loco over the oil many times to set the > oil. > Chris has to come to my place to see it. He can send someone else if > he likes. > If anyone else want's to take the bet, come along. Better bring > your trains. :o) > In all fairness; I won the loco performance contest (In my category) > in the 1974 NASG convention with 2 locos. > > Chris Zizzo wrote: > >> Roger Hinds says: >> >The other item is Wahl Clipper oil. After using the above to >> clean your >> rails apply >> >this oil to keep your rail clean FOREVER. > > Used properly It will. > >> >> Aieeeeeeeee! It never ends. This list re-invents the wheel every >> 60 to 90 >> days. > > Because people there are those that didn't read the previous notices , > and therefore > asked for help on the subject. > >> Didn't we cover this in depth? I took 120 of you off this Wahl >> Clipper oil addiction. I thought forever. D'oh! >> >> Track cleaning: >> Isopropyl alcohol works on track that is just dirty. >> Track cleaners work as well. > >> >> The stuff Roger sells is not familiar to me, but if it cleans the >> track, buy >> it. > > See! he admits he never tried it. So he doesn't know about the > product even a little bit. > > I never said Whal Clipper is a cleaner. It is NOT a cleaner. It > PREVENTS the track > from getting dirty! My other products is for cleaning > >> >> BUT DON'T USE OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Chris never tried Whal Clipper oil. Yet he says He never used it > So He doesn't know if it works or not. He is making an uneducated > guess. > >> >> If the sections are loose, use soapy Brillo/SOS in the kitchen sink. > > > A lot of unnecessary messy work > >> >> DON'T USE STEELWOOL on a layout! > > Brillo/SOS IS Steel wool , with soap. > >> >> Finally, with a rag, wipe on Caig M260Cp Cramolin paste > > And what does this cost and how much effort is needed? > Clipper oil is $6.50 one drop for each side. How much cheaper and > > simple can it get and be extremely effective. > > By the way Chris, If the subject bothers you so much, Why didn't you > hit delete? I do it every day. > > Very important Note: My layout is the feature in my museum. They > MUST be able to run slow, > so my customers will view quality performance. Every day, several > times a day for 4 months in the > summer. They otherwise sit the rest of the year untouched. 8 Months > later I open the museum and > start them again. Without touching the track or wheels. > I am lazy, Very lazy. I don't like cleaning track and wheels. So I > got a product so I don't have to. > I get to work on other projects instead. > > Another item I just remembered; You can read about Wahl Clipper oil > in an April 1981 (I think) > of MRR or MRC magazine. They did an an article on this product in > depth. This is where I found about > Wahl Clipper oil. I could not run my museum without it. > > > -- > Roger Hinds > To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models > go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa > -- Roger Hinds To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa --Boundary_(ID_dRrQ0huCHas2LHJGgOl2aw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>   <p>IronHorse wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>This message is in response to Chris Zizzo's comments in regard  Wahl <br>Clipper Oil. <br>  If you aren't interested hit delete.  But you might find it amusing <p>Note to Moderator;  The purpose of my reply is to help those having track to <br>wheel pickup problems.  Some knock my solution, but these people haven't tried it. <br>  So the challenge below is in fun, but I am also am serious about the challenge. <br>Because if I am proved right, everyone will benefit by knowing they can get products from <br>me that will solve most of there track to wheel problems. <br>  I hope you don't delete this, It took a lot of time and thought to put it together. <br>I am not trying to create a problem.  My point is their are those that say, Don't use a product, <br>and they don't have a clue what they are talking about.  Because they haven't tried it. <p>Now, back to the subject; <p>Now here is a chance for Chris to get thousands of dollars of AC Gilbert, if he is right. <p>I have 40 AC Gilbert locos in great shape and many freight cars and passenger cars. <br>  I will put up all of this in a bet.  We are talking over $ 20,000 worth of AC Gilbert items. <br>Chris has to put up his trains as well. <p>  The bet is. My trains (by AC Gilbert) can climb a steep grade and crawl through switches after using The Wahl <br>Clipper oil.  My loco will be hauling 5 lit Passenger cars. <br>  Note; I will have to run my loco over the oil many times to set the oil. <br>Chris has to come to my place to see it. He can send someone else if he likes. <br>  If anyone else want's to take the bet, come along.  Better bring your trains. :o) <br>In all fairness;  I won the loco performance contest (In my category) in the 1974 NASG convention with 2 locos. <p>Chris Zizzo wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Roger Hinds says: <br>>The other  item is Wahl Clipper oil.  After using the above to clean your <br>rails apply <br>>this oil to keep your rail clean FOREVER.</blockquote> Used properly It will. <blockquote TYPE=CITE>  <br>Aieeeeeeeee!  It never ends.  This list re-invents the wheel every 60 to 90 <br>days.</blockquote> Because people there are those that didn't read the previous notices , and therefore <br>asked for help on the subject. <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Didn't we cover this in depth?  I took 120 of you off this Wahl <br>Clipper oil addiction.  I thought forever.  D'oh! <p>Track cleaning: <br>Isopropyl alcohol works on track that is just dirty. <br>Track cleaners work as well.</blockquote> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>  <br>The stuff Roger sells is not familiar to me, but if it cleans the track, buy <br>it.</blockquote> See!  he admits he never tried it.  So he doesn't know about the product even a little bit. <p>I never said Whal Clipper is a cleaner.   It is NOT a cleaner.  It PREVENTS the track <br>from getting dirty!   My other products is for cleaning <blockquote TYPE=CITE>  <br>BUT DON'T USE OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</blockquote> Chris never tried Whal Clipper oil.  Yet he says He never used it <br>So He doesn't know if it works or not.  He is making an uneducated guess. <blockquote TYPE=CITE>  <br>If the sections are loose, use soapy Brillo/SOS in the kitchen sink.</blockquote> <p><br>A lot of unnecessary messy work <blockquote TYPE=CITE>  <br>DON'T USE STEELWOOL on a layout!</blockquote> Brillo/SOS   <u>IS  Steel wool</u> , with soap. <blockquote TYPE=CITE>  <br>Finally, with a rag, wipe on Caig M260Cp Cramolin paste</blockquote> And what does this cost and how much effort is needed? <br>Clipper oil  is $6.50    one drop for each side.  How much cheaper and <br>simple can it get and be extremely effective. <p> By the way Chris, If the subject bothers you so much,  Why didn't you hit delete?  I do it every day. <p>Very important Note:   My layout is the feature in my museum.   They MUST be able to run slow, <br>so my customers will view quality performance.  Every day, several times a day for 4 months in the <br>summer.  They otherwise sit the rest of the year untouched. 8 Months later I open the museum and <br>start them again.   Without touching the track or wheels. <br>  I am lazy, Very lazy.  I don't like cleaning track and wheels.  So I got a product so I don't have to. <br>I get to work on other projects instead. <p> Another item I just remembered;   You can read about Wahl Clipper oil in an April 1981 (I think) <br>of MRR or MRC magazine. They did an an article on this product in depth.  This is where I found about <br>Wahl Clipper oil.  I could not run my museum without it. <br>  <p>-- <br>Roger Hinds <br> To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models <br>go to;      <a href="HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa">HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa</a> <br> </blockquote> <p>-- <br>Roger Hinds <br> To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models <br>go to;      <A HREF="HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa">HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa</A> <br> </html> --Boundary_(ID_dRrQ0huCHas2LHJGgOl2aw)-- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23945	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Cleaning

Hey Guys! Here's an idea: mix equal parts of Cremolin Paste and Wahl Clipper Oil together. Apply to tracks, run trains for 40 years and report back to this list. I hope we'll all be here to read about it! :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23946	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: use a Bright Boy

Outstanding, Chris! You are a credit to your gauge! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Cbtrainnut1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] use a Bright Boy Hi Gang, Like I used to tell my Aquarium Customers when I was in the fish business. There are many ways to get from point a to point b. Some may be longer and tedious, and some may be quick. The same can be said about cleaning track. A bright Boy if I remember correctly, has very fine abrasives in it also. Probably equal to about a 400 grit wet dry paper. I have been using 400 grit wet dry paper as long as I can remember along with denatured alcohol after sanding. I have recently started using a very fine sponge type sandpaper along with the alcohol. I have never ruined a piece of track yet. I have had some of my track and trains now for 41-1/2 yrs. This has worked very well for me and for many others. I have excellent contact with no sparking (arcing to be exact for the nit pickers). I'm not about to change either. I don't have too. My advice is, if you have rusted track, buy the new track on the market. It's solid nickel silver. It will stay clean with just a rub down from the alcohol if you wheels are fairly clean. Much easier than rubbing on Wahl Clipper oil or the Caig product, then rubbing it back off. I run my trains a lot. Currently every, other week since last year with an average of 11 hours per weekend. No problems here. If something works for you go with it. If it doesn't, try one of the ideas from the guys on the list. Remember though, Their is not just one correct way to clean, or keep clean, the track we are using for our trains. Now, clean your track and run your trains. And don't forget to have fun and relax with our hobby. People get so uptight sometimes. Geesh! Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23947	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning

hi,has anyone ever tried to re-plate the track?? i wonder if this could be done cheap enough to make it worth someones while,,,,,plus you would have a source of like new track,,,,,,,,,just wondering,,,,,,,lou. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Cleaning > Hey Guys! > > Here's an idea: mix equal parts of Cremolin Paste and Wahl Clipper Oil together. Apply to tracks, run trains for 40 years and report back to this list. I hope we'll all be here to read about it! :) :) > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23948	From: Dave	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Strasburg Railroad

This may have already been seen by some of you and I apologize for being redundant. I think it is important to get the word out and perhaps the bad guys won't have much of a market for stolen items. Please forward to anyone you feel might be interested. Dave Wargo Posted By: Kelly <kelly@s...> Date: Monday, 10 February 2003, at 1:58 p.m. "Last night, thieves forcibly broke in at the Strasburg Rail Road's engine house, and took the following items: The number plates from engines #31, #90, #475. Classification lights from engines #31, and #89. 1 new classification light. 6 rear end marker lamps, 4 kerosene, and 2 converted to battery operation. 1 photograph of engine #89 on the Green Mountain. Side view with specifications. 1 Strasburg Rail Road rule book. Red loose leaf format. 1 Small (about ½ normal size) locomotive brass bell and yoke. 1 ICC steam locomotive defect chart. They also forced open (and destroyed in the process) a steel door to the back shop, but we haven't spotted anything missing from in there yet. It appears that there were two perpetrators in that they left many footprints and tire tracks in the snow. Pennsylvania State Police are investigating. They seemed to have a specific "shopping list" in that they took only railfan collectibles, and only specific ones at that. We at the Strasburg Rail Road ask for the help of the community to return our property to us, and to bring these criminals to justice. If anyone has any information, please call the Strasburg Rail Road at 717-687-8421. By the way, anyone know of a source for reproduction number plates? Seems like there was someone in Virginia, but I don't know for sure. " [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23949	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: 19B lamps

Does anyone on the list have a 19B transformer with lamp covers, or did they all use uncovered colored bulbs? Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23950	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: S track

All, I sort of agree with Chris Z, but the American Models track was there long before SHS. Don't get me wrong, I love SHS products and I have more than I can count (well, not quite, but still a lot). And Robin and Don have to be just about the best to deal with. But, when it comes to track they should have made a compatible product. I was really surprised when I first spoke to Robin about it. AM track is code 148 while SHS is 155. Someone said the SHS is more scale like. It is? Love the 5" spacing. And Flyer radius turnouts? There aren't enough ACG's on the market already? And the price........ The AM trackage is just like H0 to work with. The flex is like what other scales have industry wide, and more standardize is what we need, as Chris pointed out. I run Flyer, AM, SHS and this week one of our club members ran a scale, brass 4-8-4, on my .148 AM track system-- including turnouts. Tom Stoltz NASG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23951	From: Michael Greene	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: S track

Just one minor note: S Helper Service track is Code 125 -- representing 155lb. mainline rail (the standard of the PRR)... American Models is Code 148. I must admit to having trouble keeping these straight and making the correct correlation between code and rail weight -- had this problem especially in N scale. Now I just refer to: http://www.urbaneagle.com/data/RRrailsizes.html and it helps keep me straight. I had looked at a number of options to install Code 100 track on my layout under construction -- both flex and hand laying. I eventually decided to hand lay. But after seeing and handling S Helper's Code 125 flex track, I opted to switch to that for the mainline. It has to be the easiest flex track I have ever worked with. And I'll hand lay the turnouts, since that is really where most of the expense is from the perspective of buying ready to use track and turnouts. Of course one thing I've learned is that it my chosen solution is not always (usually?) someone else's solutions....so your mileage may vary. Michael At 06:06 PM 2/12/2003 -0500, Thomas Stoltz wrote: >All, > >I sort of agree with Chris Z, but the American Models track was there long >before SHS. > >Don't get me wrong, I love SHS products and I have more than I can count >(well, not quite, but still a lot). And Robin and Don have to be just >about the best to deal with. But, when it comes to track they should have >made a compatible product. I was really surprised when I first spoke to >Robin about it. > >AM track is code 148 while SHS is 155. Someone said the SHS is more scale >like. It is? Love the 5" spacing. And Flyer radius turnouts? There >aren't enough ACG's on the market already? And the price........ > >The AM trackage is just like H0 to work with. The flex is like what other >scales have industry wide, and more standardize is what we need, as Chris >pointed out. > >I run Flyer, AM, SHS and this week one of our club members ran a scale, >brass 4-8-4, on my .148 AM track system-- including turnouts. > >Tom Stoltz NASG >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23952	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Tender Conversion

I have often heard that much Marx stuff is 1/64th scale. I bought a Marx plastic tender at a train show and converted it to run behind a Gilbert 21085 Pacific. It was very easy to do. I simply drilled holes in the Gilbert tender floor to match the mounting screws to the mounting posts on the Marx shell, and drilled a hole in the front for the connecting wire. To see the results click on http://waynestrains.homestead.com/NWpage.html or go the Norfolk and Western page on my web site. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR http://www.waynestrains.homestead.com/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23953	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: (no subject)

The AM trackage is just like H0 to work with Yeah, and stuff derails on it just like HO if things aren't gauged perfectly. I have had a ton of scale guys come up to me at shows asking me how I ballasted my track so well. I tell them," very carefully", and then show them a sample. They all drool. Just my observations. Also, our club runs on AM track in the yards and two mainlines. problems all the time. And these guys are good. They added a third rail with a combo of AF track,Gargraves track, and even some of that new American something track. Haven't had one problem on that either. Like I said in an earlier post today, I run on SHS track and don't have derailments. Sometimes I hear a derailed wheel when the kids knock them off the track, and the train is running with wheels off the track. The rest off the Industry should all change to SHS track.( Just a small joke there, don't go berserk} Enough from me today. Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23954	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: AM trackage (was[S-Trains] (no subject))

For some balance: Our club uses AM track exclusively except for BK closing frog switchres to accomodate scale. We have NO derailing problems with the AM track. Some of it has been down for quite a few years now. Cbtrainnut1@... wrote: > > The AM trackage is just like H0 to work with > Yeah, and stuff derails on it just like HO if things aren't gauged > perfectly. I have had a ton of scale guys come up to me at shows asking me > how I ballasted my track so well. I tell them," very carefully", and then > show them a sample. They all drool. Just my observations. Also, our club runs > on AM track in the yards and two mainlines. problems all the time. And these > guys are good. They added a third rail with a combo of AF track,Gargraves > track, and even some of that new American something track. Haven't had one > problem on that either. Like I said in an earlier post today, I run on SHS > track and don't have derailments. Sometimes I hear a derailed wheel when the > kids knock them off the track, and the train is running with wheels off the > track. The rest off the Industry should all change to SHS track.( Just a > small joke there, don't go berserk} Enough from me today. > > Chris The Trainnut > MVSG > NASG > SHSPL > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23955	From: David Engle	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: S track

Thomas Stoltz wrote: >All, > >I sort of agree with Chris Z, but the American Models track was there long before SHS. > >Don't get me wrong, I love SHS products and I have more than I can count (well, not quite, but still a lot). And Robin and Don have to be just about the best to deal with. But, when it comes to track they should have made a compatible product. I was really surprised when I first spoke to Robin about it. > >AM track is code 148 while SHS is 155. Someone said the SHS is more scale like. It is? Love the 5" spacing. And Flyer radius turnouts? There aren't enough ACG's on the market already? And the price........ > >The AM trackage is just like H0 to work with. The flex is like what other scales have industry wide, and more standardize is what we need, as Chris pointed out. > >I run Flyer, AM, SHS and this week one of our club members ran a scale, brass 4-8-4, on my .148 AM track system-- including turnouts. > >Tom Stoltz NASG > WHOOOAAAA!!! A-M Code 148 is the height of the rail. SHS 155 is 155-lb rail scaled down, and is NOT the height in .thousandths of an inch. There is a Difference; DON, do I have this right!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23956	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Track

For more balance, Sam and I both run AM track 100%. We don't have derailments either. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23957	From: David Engle	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: Tender Conversion

Wayne and Alice Beachy wrote: >I have often heard that much Marx stuff is 1/64th scale. I bought a Marx plastic tender at a train show and converted it to run behind a Gilbert 21085 Pacific. It was very easy to do. I simply drilled holes in the Gilbert tender floor to match the mounting screws to the mounting posts on the Marx shell, and drilled a hole in the front for the connecting wire. To see the results click on http://waynestrains.homestead.com/NWpage.html or go the Norfolk and Western page on my web site. > >Wayne Beachy >Midlothian & Manchester RR >http://www.waynestrains.homestead.com/index.html > > > Have converted boxcars--the ones with the stepper than normal roof--it takes an old AC E conversion floor as well as an AF one does. The big 2-bay hoppers that have cast plastic tabs that look like truck sides and that take a single flanged axle, will also take ACE conversion bolsters when you snap the truck sideframe tabs off; Admittedly the hoppers look oversize, but back before 1980, we didn't have much else. DE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23958	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: AF track....

I use 100% AF track with no derailments!! Well,....OK,..sure,...there was THAT Christmas that I didn't have roadbed then,....just a white sheet down,....and I had to put junk mail under the sheet and track due to the high/low of the carpet!! No problems this year using roadbed on a sheet. :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23959	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: steel wheels

While we're on the subject of track cleaning,how about finding ways to keep it clean?The plastic wheels on Flyer rolling stock seem to be one of the main culprits.Imagine metal wheels and axles similar to those on AM or SHS equipment.A flyer car with these wheels and Ace 4050 bushings would roll like a dream. How about it Ron or Don? Jerry Memmer P.S. metal wheels sound great too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23960	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: steel wheels

Dear Jerry, On the next container scheduled to leave later this month we will be bringing in 1000 sets of 4 for replacement on AF freight trucks. If these are acceptable., we will bring in the one side insulated wheels for passenger cars and tenders. Don jjmemmer@... wrote: > While we're on the subject of track cleaning,how about finding ways >to keep it clean?The plastic wheels on Flyer rolling stock seem to be one of >the main culprits.Imagine metal wheels and axles similar to those on AM or >SHS equipment.A flyer car with these wheels and Ace 4050 bushings would roll >like a dream. How about it Ron or Don? > Jerry Memmer > P.S. metal wheels sound great too. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23961	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: steel wheels

I just don't get it!!! If you change out the motors for can motors, change the track for HO style track,change the electrical system to TMÇÇ or DCC, and change the wheels, what do you have left? Why bother with Flyer in the first place? Just buy all new stuff and send your old useless Flyer to me and David Dewey! It reminds me of the Bert & I comedy routine about the sausage: "Once you clean it, there ain't nothin'much to it!" And by the way, if you do achieve freer rolling trucks, you will need new couplers too. Flyer couplers rely on a little wheel drag to open and close. So you will have to change those as well. Might as well make 'em scale size while you're at it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23962	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: steel wheels

In a message dated 02/12/2003 8:15:39 PM Mountain Standard Time, jjmemmer@... writes: > While we're on the subject of track cleaning,how about finding ways > to keep it clean?The plastic wheels on Flyer rolling stock seem to be one > of > the main culprits.Imagine metal wheels and axles similar to those on AM or > SHS equipment.A flyer car with these wheels and Ace 4050 bushings would > roll > like a dream. How about it Ron or Don? > Jerry Memmer > P.S. metal wheels sound great too. > This is really quite easy. Why go to all that trouble? Just put S-Helper trucks under the Flyer cars....Works great and looks even better. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23963	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Re: steel wheels

Hmm, Tom said:"Why bother with Flyer in the first place? Just buy all new stuff and send your old useless Flyer to me and David Dewey!" Yeah!! I agree!! David's home for wayward Flyer. The door is open--but don't tell Linda, she'll open the back door too--in--OUT! ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23964	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: Why bother?

I just don't get it!!! If you change out the motors for can motors, change the track for HO style track,change the electrical system to TMÇÇ or DCC, and change the wheels, what do you have left?  Why bother with Flyer in the first place?  Just buy all new stuff and send your old useless Flyer to me and David Dewey! And by the way, if you do achieve freer rolling trucks, you will need new couplers too.  Flyer couplers rely on a little wheel drag to open and close.  So you will have to change those as well.  Might as well make 'em scale size while you're at it. Tom Jarcho GREAT IDEA TOM. WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT? STEVE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23965	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2003
Subject: The Prayer of Dewey

In a message dated 02/13/2003 12:19:57 AM Mountain Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: > Hmm, Tom said:"Why bother with Flyer in the first place? Just buy > all new stuff and send your old useless Flyer to me and David Dewey!" > > Yeah!! I agree!! David's home for wayward Flyer. The door is open--but > don't > tell Linda, she'll open the back door too--in--OUT! > ;-) > S' > David D. > Not a chance Ducky, I'm going to tell her....I'll have my truck parked out back. "S" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23966	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Grocery Carts

Hello all, I am looking for a decent grocery cart & would appreciate assistance and direction. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23967	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Plastic in turnouts

Plastic should not be in the frog of turnouts. I am planning to make a switch that will work with scale and AF trains. For my own use only. I would need a large order to get me to mass produce it. Instead of putting plastic in the frog I will have a gap in the rails. The switch machine will switch the power ( left to right) so there will not be a short circuit. There have been many articles on this subject so I am not going to go over it. What amazes me is. How come the guys making this in volume can't do it? Even it is just for scale? It is real simple once a person gets used to the process. -- Roger Hinds To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23968	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Replating track

<<<has anyone ever tried to re-plate the track?? i wonder if this could be done cheap enough to make it worth someones while,,,,,plus you would have a source of like new track,,,,,,,,,just wondering,>>> As a matter of fact, we're having that done right now, with used straight track that is in only so-so condition. Even rust is OK, as long as the track is not pitted. If you have straight track in this condition, we're interested in it! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23969	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 19B lamps

Unless, I have a transformer number mix-up, in my experience, all these transformers used clear bulbs with a coloured plastic cap for red or green. Unfortunately, these caps tend to overhead and melt if on for extended time periods. V. Neimanis Ottawa, Canada ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:00:26 -0500 From: jarcho@... Subject: 19B lamps Does anyone on the list have a 19B transformer with lamp covers, or did they all use uncovered colored bulbs? Thanks. Tom Jarcho ________________________________________________________________________ _

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23970	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Steel Wheels

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > I just don't get it!!! > > If you change out the motors for can motors, change the track for HO style > track,change the electrical system to TMÇÇ or DCC, and change the wheels, > what do you have left? Why bother with Flyer in the first place? Just buy > all new stuff and send your old useless Flyer to me and David Dewey! > > It reminds me of the Bert & I comedy routine about the sausage: "Once you > clean it, there ain't nothin'much to it!" > > And by the way, if you do achieve freer rolling trucks, you will need new > couplers too. Flyer couplers rely on a little wheel drag to open and > close. So you will have to change those as well. Might as well make 'em > scale size while you're at it. > > Tom Jarcho It's like: Why we climb the mountain, or why a dog licks... Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23971	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Flyer

Hey Guys, Send all your broken Flyer to Tom and David. Send all your "minty" Flyer to me! I'll hose it down with Wall-to-Wall Oil, then slather it up with Kremlin Paste and run it like crazy. :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23972	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Grocery Carts

Silly me ... I meant that I am looking for 1/64th / 3/16" Scale "Grocery Carts". Thank you everyone for all the cute Grocery Cart antidotes ;-) Make Note to Self: Do not ask open ended questions to this group Ben -----O Hello all, I am looking for a decent grocery cart & would appreciate assistance and direction. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23973	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Fwd: Estate Sale - SHS Cars/UPDATE

UPDATE!!!!!!! 3 LEFT > > A new offerring - all new in the box - $30 each > including shipping in the contiguous 48. > > 467434 B&O boxcar SOLD > 00711 Central of GA (maroon) SOLD > 00523 GN vermillion #1 SOLD > 00522 GN vermillion #2 SOLD > 00525 IGA reefer SOLD > 00521 PRR Merchadise boxcar SOLD > 00705 D&RGW box 60024 > 00707 D&RGW box 60026 > 00701 B&M box 73001 > 00703 ATSF box 14149 SOLD > 00709 Central of GA (black) SOLD > THANKS!!! > ===== > Mark B. Preman > AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23974	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Keep them looking "like new" - shine up product suggestions...

S-gaugers, What the heck is Kremlin Paste? Is this a sarcastic remark (back in the the USSSR), or a real product that you use to spit shine ? Does anyone have any suggestions for making the plastic on Flyer look "like new"? Also, the metal parts - maybe some sort of wax or light polish? I was considering using an Amor All type high shine product for the plastic. Would this be safe or are there other better alternatives? I hope like the track cleaning thread there are lots of good suggestions... Scott Dee _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23975	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1769

THANKS: Some one in this group suggested that a paper clip will work as a coupler lock on link couplers. Thanks again. I purchased a box of #1 paper clips, clipped off the longer loop, soldered the remaining loop to gather and, wallah!!! a coupler lock that works with my "O" gage FLYER. This train a K- 5 with 4 red heavy weight passenger cars runs for hours on the RMTCA module with no problems, and shows what GILBERT built 60 years ago and is still running excellent. Jerry 776-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23976	From: AF336	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Ebay and 90 deg crossing

I was wondering if someone knew what the deal was here??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3113524809&category=480

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23977	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay and 90 deg crossing

There is no "DEAL" there. Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23978	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Ebay and 90 deg crossing

>>Ebay and 90 deg crossing >> >>I was wondering if someone knew what the deal was here??? >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>ViewItem&item=3113524809&category=480 Well, it looks like two people who desperately want a 90 degree crossing to me. Either that or they have a severe dislike for one another!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23979	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Keep them looking "like new" - shine up product suggestions...

Hi Scott, I was having a little fun off the track cleaning thread and opposing camps; one that swears by Cramolin Paste as an aid to electrical conductivity when used lightly on rail tops, the other being those who swear by the use of Wahl Clipper Oil lightly applied on the rail tops. My take-off was a spoof. IMHO, the only thing that should be applied to plastic is a little mild soapy water to clean it. Some say that a little Endust will restore the bloom to plastic. That's about it. Anything else will likely knock down the shine from the 50+ year old paint. Metal parts - same treatment as plastic. A lot of people feel that Armour-All will attack the plastic due to it's silicate content and shouldn't be used. That's my take on it all. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Davidson To: s-trains@... Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Keep them looking "like new" - shine up product suggestions... S-gaugers, What the heck is Kremlin Paste? Is this a sarcastic remark (back in the the USSSR), or a real product that you use to spit shine ? Does anyone have any suggestions for making the plastic on Flyer look "like new"? Also, the metal parts - maybe some sort of wax or light polish? I was considering using an Amor All type high shine product for the plastic. Would this be safe or are there other better alternatives? I hope like the track cleaning thread there are lots of good suggestions... Scott Dee _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23980	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: keep them looking "like new"

There is only one way to make your Flyer plastic items look like new. The magic ingredient is...PLASTIC! It's a simple 3 step process. 1. Take your credit card. 2. Buy trains in like new condition. 3. Sell the trains you now have. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23981	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay and 90 deg crossing

In a message dated 02/13/2003 11:59:58 AM Mountain Standard Time, AF336@... writes: > I was wondering if someone knew what the deal was here??? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3113524809&category=480 > Looks like a shill or two at work here. Check the bid record... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23982	From: stevemcguire63	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 1:64 Firefighters

Hi, I'm looking for 1:64 U.S. Firefighters. I checked Walthers, and only saw German Firefighters. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Steve McGuire.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23983	From: Al Reibel	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay and 90 deg crossing

AF336 wrote: >I was wondering if someone knew what the deal was here??? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3113524809&category=480 > > Looks like two newbie Ebayers with more money than brains! Where are these guys when I sell stuff? Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23984	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: 19B lamps

> Does anyone on the list have a 19B transformer with lamp covers, or > did they all use uncovered colored bulbs? Tom, my 19B has clear bulbs and colored (red and green) plastic covers. Are you finishing your article on this transformer? Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23985	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay and 90 deg crossing

--- boss31@... wrote: > Looks like a shill or two at work here. Check the bid record... I don't see any evidence at all that there is shilling going on here; just two new guys bidding each other up. And the only way two shillers could be involved is if there was a third bidder. When one of the bidders has a feedback rating of 0 or 1 and their only feedback is from the seller, that's evidence of shilling. Or if you check their bid record and they only bid on that seller's auctions. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23986	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: keep them looking "like new"

well,,,,,i have found a way to help plastic american switch controllers look like new,if they have white mold on them,,afther the hair dryer treatment i soak them for a day in baking soda and water solution,the plastic only,then dry them off,,they come out looking like new,and i have had no new white mold growing aftherwards,,,,,not sure what else you could use that process on,,only tried it on black plastic switches,,,,,lou ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] keep them looking "like new" > There is only one way to make your Flyer plastic items look like new. The > magic ingredient is...PLASTIC! > > It's a simple 3 step process. > > 1. Take your credit card. > 2. Buy trains in like new condition. > 3. Sell the trains you now have. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23987	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: S track

Wow, I knew I'd hear about this one when Jay wrote me to say that #155 is the track weight SHS trackage represents, not its height, as in code 155. I took a brief look at the SHS online catalog, my 2003 & 2002 catalogs and did not see a reference to the commonly used "code" of the rail system. So I don't really know the code for SHS rail. It's probably there, I just didn't see it. I apologize to all whom I might have offended with my remarks. My intent was not to slam a product by one of our finest manufactures of S gauge equipment, but to comment on Chris Z's remarks about standardization of S gauge trackage. I felt he left out American Models which also markets a fine track system and was there ahead of SHS. If SHS is to be the standard bearer of our S trackage design, I for one, will support it. I just hope they come out with a turnout that is affordable, by comparison, and a bit more gentle in switch number, like a #6 or so. BTW, I just looked at the prices for both companies, that's where SHS mentions the rail is code 125. The flex track is about the same price, but the turnouts..... As far as the 5" spacing, I know that came from ACG and thought it so stay there. Anyone running a pure AF layout would probably not what .125 rail. Just doesn't have that tinplate look. I thought the threads about bending AF track to different radii were quite interesting. That's what I would have done when I was a kid--if I'd thought about and knew how. That's pure Flyer. But if your going for high rail, you're looking at 3" centers or a hair less. But you know, when it comes to compatibly, the difference in height between .172, .148 & .125 is tiny. The difference between .148 and .125 rail is 3/128" (what is the thickness of a piece of paper?), about the same for .172 to .148. So to get a train from one rail system to the other, all you have to do is line up the rail and tack it in place--add power, run trains. I should have done more homework before I made my comments, but I didn't. It was just an opinion. Humbly yours, Tom S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23988	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1769

You go, Tom! Aren't these just toys? Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23989	From: keith kuzma	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: shill

I would like to know how you came up with the conclusion that either one of these were shills.Both have legitimate feedback from sellers,who are they shilling for?As far as I can tell they never bid against each other before.Keith --- boss31@... wrote: > In a message dated 02/13/2003 11:59:58 AM Mountain > Standard Time, > AF336@... writes: > > > I was wondering if someone knew what the deal was > here??? > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3113524809&category=480 > > > Looks like a shill or two at work here. Check the > bid record... > > Steve > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23990	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: keep them looking "like new"

Lou, I'm glad you posted this as I've noticed the mold or oxidation on my soon-to-emerge-from-box switch controllers. This seems to be a quick and easy process but was does the "hair dryer treatment" entail? Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "louis glumac" <lglumac@a...> wrote: > well,,,,,i have found a way to help plastic american switch controllers look > like new,if they have white mold on them,,afther the hair dryer treatment i > soak them for a day in baking soda and water solution,the plastic only,then > dry them off,,they come out looking like new,and i have had no new white > mold growing aftherwards

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23991	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Converting Mass-Produced S Scale Military Figures to Civilian - Any

Further to Steve's request, Many bulk manufacturers offer S scale figures not civilians but WWII military (U.S. and German). Has anyone ever tried to convert the military ones to civilian? I recall there was an article in MR two/three years ago on updating civilian figures. Paul S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23992	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Long messages

Hi, friends. I'm hoping you can help with a little problem I have. I subscribe to the Digest mode of S-Trains, and the server here sometimes cuts off messages after just so many characters. In the past few weeks, there have been times when I've only been able to read up to message 15 or 16 of 25. Then: nothing. Just a little plea for you to keep your messages to a reasonable length, and please don't copy other entire messages when you're simply replying with a word or two. I'll end up reading a regurgitation of yesterday's mail, and miss some of today's. Thanks, John Eichmann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23993	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: "New" Trains

Tom Jarch wrote: <Subject: keep them looking "like new" < <There is only one way to make your Flyer plastic <items look like new. The magic ingredient <is...PLASTIC! < <It's a simple 3 step process. < <1. Take your credit card. <2. Buy trains in like new condition. <3. Sell the trains you now have. < <Tom Jarcho Tom, you forgot one step: 4. Send all of your old trains to me!!! Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23994	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Keep them looking "like new" - shine up product suggestions...

Scott, & everyone, My first suggestion is to take all the armor-all that you have and ship it to Saddim--or to your ex ____ (fill in blank, wife, mother in law, etc.). Yes, I do NOT like the stuff. IMHO, it does bad things to many items, including piano keytops. It contains silicones which act as stress-release agents and encourage cracking of plastics along molding stress lines. Since most AF stuff is plastic, and some of the plastic is already known to crack at stress lines, it's not a good thing to have around. Also, if you ever paint/repaint your stuff, the silicone will give you fits! Um, now what was the original question?? . . . . ;-) Oh yes, "Kremlin" paste, was a joke/pun referring to the Caig Labs "Cremoilin" paste some of us use for contact lubricant. Very good stuff, but if you didn't get in on Chris' very generous order frenzy, it's almost "unobtainium" -- at least at affordable levels for the casual hobbyist. As for 'shining" up AF plastic, most all of it was a satin finish originally, except the link coupler period molded-in-color cars. If you want them to look shiny, I would use something like Mequire's No. 7 glazing polish, but be aware that it WILL wipe off lettering! I usually only give my stuff a careful bathing with warm water and a mild detergent, and careful drying afterwards. Being gentle is important here! I have seen a rag dampened with WD-40 used to polish wheels, switch bases, etc. Seemed to work pretty good. Metal parts, depends on the finish, most of the metal finishes are either black oxide or plated with "a silvery metal" (that should cover a lot of possibilities! Heh Heh). I'll let others describe their "secret formulas" now. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23995	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: keep them looking "like new"

Hi all Tom J., you got #3 wrong!! #3 Send your old, dirty trains to David & Tom! ;-) S' David's home for wayward Flyer. No charge to adopt your old Flyer!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23996	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 90 degree crossing

Hokey-Smoke!! It sold for $46.00 !!!! Wow!! I coulda sold the one I have to his guy,...and bought several more off ebay for that price!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23997	From: AF336	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 48939 Brown stripe

Hi, I am looking for the 6-48939 (961)passenger car for the silver flash set. If anyone can help please reply off list.... Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23998	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Vehicle Size

In answer to a recent query, here's DATA regarding prototype vehicle size, from the owner of a 1948 Chevy 2dr Sedan: Length: 197 in. Width: 74 in. Height: 67 in. I expect that most cars of this vintage would be about this same size. Ted Larson One step closer to geek-hood Now on DSL! and loving it!!!!!!!!!! ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 23999	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 24065

hi,anyone know the value of a nyc 24065? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larson" <mhrreast1@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Vehicle Size > In answer to a recent query, here's DATA regarding prototype vehicle > size, from the owner of a 1948 Chevy 2dr Sedan: > Length: 197 in. > Width: 74 in. > Height: 67 in. > I expect that most cars of this vintage would be about this same size. > > Ted Larson > One step closer to geek-hood > Now on DSL! > and loving it!!!!!!!!!! > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24000	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 24065 value

**(((hi,anyone know the value of a nyc 24065?)))*** According to the TM price guide,...w/knuckle couplers--$110.00,...w/Pikemaster--$80.00. Greenberg says,....$100.00 & $75.00. (Exc. price) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24001	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1770

The white stuff is not mold or oxidation, it is stearic acid mold release agent, essentially soap. The warm air from a hair dryer turns it to a clear liquid that rinses away with water. (Perhaps the baking soda mentioned earlier neutralizes this compound.) Also, if you have problems with link couplers not freely dropping, the pins can be heated with the tip of a soldering iron to liquify the white stuff inside the link pin hole. It may take 2 - 3 treatments and rinses. --- Nick At 11:40 PM 2/13/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 25 > Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:40:49 -0000 > From: "beechcricker <BeechCrRR@...>" <BeechCrRR@...> >Subject: Re: keep them looking "like new" > >Lou, > >I'm glad you posted this as I've noticed the mold or oxidation on my >soon-to-emerge-from-box switch controllers. This seems to be a quick >and easy process but was does the "hair dryer treatment" entail? > >Jeff > > > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "louis glumac" <lglumac@a...> wrote: > > well,,,,,i have found a way to help plastic american switch >controllers look > > like new,if they have white mold on them,,afther the hair dryer >treatment i > > soak them for a day in baking soda and water solution,the plastic >only,then > > dry them off,,they come out looking like new,and i have had no new >white > > mold growing aftherwards >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24002	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Thanks for 19B info

Thanks to all who answered my question about the 19B. The 19B was made in 1952, '53, '54, and '55. In all catalog photos it was shown as having uncovered colored lamps. I am now pretty sure that they added lamp covers after the first year. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24003	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: 24065

hi,anyone know the value of a nyc car,,,pikemaster i believe,,,,#24065 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24004	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/13/2003
Subject: Re: 90 degree crossing

Hey, I have one MIB I'll sell for $75! Wot a deal I give you! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24005	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Cowboys and Indians

$1 a bag. Cut back of hats to make caps or just cut off the hat. Cut of the gun belt and now you have a hunter. I'll look for pictures I took. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24006	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: 90 Degree Crossing

Hi Guys, As you're probably aware, the Flyer 90 degree crossings have evidently taken a quantum leap in scarcity. Therefore, I have decided to sell one in E- condition (some nickel plating worn off) from my personal collection for $20 (I pay shipping in lower 48) to the first one on this list to respond. Just top dress this baby with some of your own Cramolin Paste or Wahl Clipper Oil and you'll be cocked & locked & ready to roll! Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24007	From: Robichaud, Thomas Jr (Tom)	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: Cowboys and Indians

Where do you get bags of people for $1.00. All the ones I have seen are too big. -----Original Message----- From: JAMES SLEETH [mailto:aztecfan@...] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 6:06 AM To: Paul4Schil@...; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Cowboys and Indians $1 a bag. Cut back of hats to make caps or just cut off the hat. Cut of the gun belt and now you have a hunter. I'll look for pictures I took. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24008	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: 90 degree crossing

--- Rick Evans <comic@...> wrote: > Hokey-Smoke!! It sold for $46.00 !!!! Wow!! I coulda sold the one > I have to his guy,...and bought several more off ebay for that price!! You could always sell yours to the loser. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24009	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: 19B lamps

These Transformer Lamp Covers ,Green and Red ,are available from Portlines Hobby Supply,--- Doug Peck, I've gotten and using them. HSJ-NASG On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:27:47 -0000 "beechcricker <BeechCrRR@...>" <BeechCrRR@...> writes: > > Does anyone on the list have a 19B transformer with lamp covers, or > > > did they all use uncovered colored bulbs? > > Tom, my 19B has clear bulbs and colored (red and green) plastic > covers. > > Are you finishing your article on this transformer? > > Jeff > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24010	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Cramolin paste for sale

Hi, I have a half jar of Cramolin Paste I'll sell for $25, I pay shipping (within lower 48). First one to respond wins. Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24011	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: 90 degree crossing

E bay does not allow it anymore but before they changed I used to contact the other bidders and offer them another item....sometimes for the same high bidder price....made several sales...But alas...E bay will bite now....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Holm" <imsscott@...> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 90 degree crossing > --- Rick Evans <comic@...> wrote: > > Hokey-Smoke!! It sold for $46.00 !!!! Wow!! I coulda sold the one > > I have to his guy,...and bought several more off ebay for that > price!! > > You could always sell yours to the loser. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24012	From: Tim Brown	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: 90 degree crossing

Hi, I tried, but he said he already bought another for $28 which sounds suspicious to me 'cuz I didn't see any other ones going off that quickly. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Holm To: s-trains Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 90 degree crossing --- Rick Evans <comic@...> wrote: > Hokey-Smoke!! It sold for $46.00 !!!! Wow!! I coulda sold the one > I have to his guy,...and bought several more off ebay for that price!! You could always sell yours to the loser. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24013	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: No Ron?

In the past, Ron at AM has said that he only occasionally reads the list. >>>>Hey Ron the E-8 would look great with these cars,Wish E- 8 in C&O paint.I know i will be the first to buy a set in both sets Bill...<<<<<<<<< I suggest sending him a cc: at his e-mail address for any message that you want him to be sure to receive. Ted Larson ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24014	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: 90 Degree Crossing

In a message dated 02/14/2003 7:09:22 AM Mountain Standard Time, Timboy@... writes: > Hi Guys, > > As you're probably aware, the Flyer 90 degree crossings have evidently > taken a quantum leap in scarcity. Therefore, I have decided to sell one in > E- condition (some nickel plating worn off) from my personal collection for > $20 (I pay shipping in lower 48) to the first one on this list to respond. > Just top dress this baby with some of your own Cramolin Paste or Wahl > Clipper Oil and you'll be cocked &locked &ready to roll! > > Thanks, > Tim Brown > I'll sell one for $18.....do I hear $17 Double thanks Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24015	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Train Show Next Weekend - St. Pete

For you Florida folks(or visitors): Great American Trains Show!!!!!!! Show Feb 22 and 23 at Pinellas Expo Center on Rt 19N. Hours usually 11am to 5pm. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24016	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: Train Show Next Weekend - St. Pete

There is also going to be A show Sat the 15th from 9 - 4 here in Jacksonville tomorrow.....there is supposed to be a GATS ( Pay toilet ) show March 1 - 2 here also ....I am going to Perry, Ga.....The York of Model Airplane Shows....2 days of Model Airplanes.....Feb28 - march 1...Its nice and if you are into planes....this is it!!!! Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Preman" <amerflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Show Next Weekend - St. Pete > For you Florida folks(or visitors): > Great American Trains Show!!!!!!! > Show Feb 22 and 23 at Pinellas Expo Center on Rt 19N. > Hours usually 11am to 5pm. Mark > > ===== > Mark B. Preman > AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24017	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: MMT Catalog

Bill Fraley asked me to post this: Hi, Yesterday, I received my new 2003 MMT MODEL RAILROAD catalog. WOW! Pages of tank cars, flat cars, flat car loads,Blue Mountain Hobbies coal and ballast loads, all kinds of loads for your freight equipment, PM Hobbies, all kinds of buildings, car loads and scenery accessories, and 12 pages of ACE "S" gauge Products. Many of you have contacted me off line about ACE, now here's your answer..... Remember ACE? Remember Walter Graeff, who started it all when we in S really needed help? Walter C. Greaff was a very prominent Lebanon County attorney, also District attorney, who had a wonderful Hobby Shop in Lebanon, Pa called "HOBBY HOUSE" Specializing In Scale Model Railroad Equipment. The man was pure genius, he designed and set up the entire ACE line on his own and with his money. I'm sure he never broke even, considering his start up costs, but it didn't matter to Walter, he was a man on a mission. I knew the man personally, he was a wonderful down to earth person who loved model railroading. The MTT catalog reminds me of another great innovator, Jack Chappell, of Steam Depot. Marlin Becker should be charging for this great S Gauge resource book, but he isn't at this time. Order yours now! His address: Mmttrains@a... Catalog price is only $4.00 includes S&H "S"incerely, Bill Fraley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24018	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: trades

Afternoon, Got a couple items to run out one more time in case someone might need them. 1) A painted 632 LNE hopper shell, all steps, no trucks, this hopper shell is of the later style using a rivet to hold the truck like a 921..condition of the body and paint is very good. Trade for 3 hopper shells no trucks, steps not a problem 2) Like the world didn't have enough 931 T&P gondolas, this body only, has two missing steps but it is painted over a 941 paint job...the Frisco lettering shows through the paint. If you are into oddities this might be of interest. trade for a gondola shell no trucks. 3)Three 947 NP reefers, one excellent paint and no chips truck repair, has the fiber brakewheel, one good paint, no dings a few chips of paint into a black undercoat, and one roof and some facia repainted boxcar red, truck repair, last two no brakewheels...trade for almost anything in the way of scale cars 4) A Western Maryland twin hopper excellent. Trade for 2 Craft, Des Plaines,or SHS Western Maryland triple hoppers or Milwaukee Road triple hoppers or $80 5) A bunch of Miller Diesel hirail wheelsets, dummy no armature just the wheels and axle. trade for like kind in scale wheels 6) 5 Miller Hirail DC motor/axles...not trucks, no sideframes just the motor units trade for 3 scale motor axles or $125. 7) A #300 boiler dtd 1247 no handrails, no bell or pop valve, just the diecast doiler, paint poor casting is sound $12 plus postage or 2 hopper shells no trucks. Thanks for looking contact me off list gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24019	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Trades part 2

Afternoon again, Forgot to list these items on the first list 1) Two AF DC fields, two armatures one ok one fair, a bakelite rear housing and brush holder ....no shaft bearing......, older style with slots for brushes, 5 new center blind drivers no crank pins, one set of side rods for a Pacific or Hudson and someones smoke repair unit, no nichrome wire just the top and the fiber wick. Trade for most anything scale 2) Lionel Conrail tractor and trailer, well a Lionel Lines tractor and a Conrail trailer new in box never openned #6-12778. $17.00 and postage or trade? 3) American Highway Legends Bekins van and Storage Mack CJ tractor and trailer new in box. $10.00 and postage or trade? 4) From that lumber company that sounds like a railroad , Georgia Pacific Peterbilt 260 covered truck 7.00 and postage or trade? Thanks contact off list gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24020	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Our S Community loses Josh Seltzer

Friends on the List: Just received (4:00 p.m.. February 14th) word from Dave Davis, Cuyahoga Valley S Gaugers, that Josh Seltzer died of a heart attack in his office at 12:30 p.m. EST, today. 911 squad could not resuscitate. Dave said the funeral will be Sunday, February 16, in Cleveland (near Josh's home in Cleveland Heights). Our condolences to wife Barbara and the family. - Alan Evans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24021	From: John Foley	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Re: Our S Community loses Josh Seltzer

Folks This is very sad news. Josh was one of the real spark plugs for S model Railroading. He will surely be missed by many. I will miss Josh's friendship and wisdom. I would like to add condolences from my family to wife Barbara and the family. Goodbye my dear friend. John Foley NASG VP. At 04:14 PM 2/14/03 -0500, Alan Evans wrote: >Friends on the List: > Just received (4:00 p.m.. February 14th) word from Dave Davis, > Cuyahoga Valley S Gaugers, that Josh Seltzer died of a heart attack in > his office at 12:30 p.m. EST, today. 911 squad could not resuscitate. > Dave said the funeral will be Sunday, February 16, in Cleveland (near > Josh's home in Cleveland Heights). > Our condolences to wife Barbara and the family. > > - Alan Evans >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24022	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 16, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24023	From: trainman634	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Black AF Uncoupler

There is a black remote AF uncoupler listed on Ebay (Item # 3115389176). It is mounted on a section of track. Can anyone give me information about it? What was the part number? What year was it made? Was there a manual model made and if so, what was the part number of the manual uncoupler? I remember my first AF train set had a manual uncoupler like that. Thanks for any information you can supply.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24024	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/14/2003
Subject: Black remote uncoupler

>There is a black remote AF uncoupler listed on Ebay (Item # 3115389176). It is mounted on a section of track. Can anyone give me information about it? What was the part number? What year was it made? < I think that was the 705, from 46 - 47. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24025	From: trzp1800	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: Train Show Next Weekend - St. Pete

There's a GATS show in Atlanta 3/15-16. The Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers will be there with their interactive accessory button layout. Have a 35x 35 space reserved for the club's use and they are hoping to start an Atlanta chapter of the club. More news to follow, i'm sure, from Joe Haenn. Regards, Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > There is also going to be A show Sat the 15th from 9 - 4 here in > Jacksonville tomorrow.....there is supposed to be a GATS ( Pay toilet ) show > March 1 - 2 here also

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24026	From: AF336	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: New alco shell stuff

I bought a new Flyonel alco shell and was wondering where to get the headlight lens, windshield, and portholes. I assume they might be available through parts from Lionel, but was hoping someone on the list had done this before and could advise... MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24027	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: steel wheels

Great news Don! Any possibility of replacement trucks for AF tenders as well i.e. with knuckle couplers? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24028	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Proto Passenger Car Diaphrams

Hey guys, Has anyone found (or built) a prototype-looking end of car diaphram which is flexible and fit hi-rail/scale coupler inter car spacing? I noticed that the AM Budd car diaphams are solid plastic...realistic looking but NOT flexible and do not touch with the adjacent cars diaphram like the proto. I know that the following are issues: (1) The longer spacing typically found between AF coupled cars makes diaphrams look duffy (2) Any workable flexible diaphrams which "touch" must work well on curves and switch situations. Feedback welcome. Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24029	From: trainman634	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Thanks Chuck

I want to thank Chuck at MyFlyerTrains for all of the AF catalog pictures he has posted on his website. They are great. I made a screen saver for my computer using his catalog pictures. Thanks again Chuck.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24030	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: New Alco shell stuff

MK, Here is a link to a PDF file of the parts breakdown of the Lionel/AF Alco PA. You will need Adobe reader to open it. It has all the part numbers that you will need. http://lionel.com/Supplements/Supplement22/226-48114Complete.pdf You can order them from Lionel direct or through a Service Station. Carl -----Original Message----- From: AF336 [mailto:AF336@...] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New alco shell stuff I bought a new Flyonel alco shell and was wondering where to get the headlight lens, windshield, and portholes. I assume they might be available through parts from Lionel, but was hoping someone on the list had done this before and could advise... MK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24031	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Frankiln questions

Guys, As some of you know I am interested in the early period of railroading. As such I'm a fan of the Franklin/Washington engines. I was just looking at the online catalogs and saw something that caught my eye. In the 1960 catalog, page 8 and the 1961 catalog, page 7 is shown the "Frontiersman Freight Engine". Instead of the funnel stack used on the Franklin, this engine has a diamond stack (even though the text calls it a Funnel stack). These catalogs are not full color so I can't tell what color the engines is. Is this the Washington engne? Is this diamond stack used on the Washington?. I looked at Portlines and RFG's parts lists and they just show a " Washington smoke stack, blue". Is the Washington stack the same as the Frankin only blue in color or is it a diamond stack, blue in color. Or, is this diamond stack a rarity? Also, on the RFG gallery page they show two different 31088 Franklin engines, one described as having a plastic boiler and tender, the other described as having a metal boiler and tender. Has anyone seen a metal version? Was it really produced? I've never seen one. Steve Blancard The more I learn, the less I know

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24032	From: aglorince	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: train shows pittsburgh, pa

i will be attending the following train shows in pittsburgh, pa area. feb 16 classic trains and exhibitions shearton four points pittsburgh north ( mars/warrendale) us rt 19 just south of pa turnpike exit 3 old no. (28 new no.) hours 10-3. feb 22-23, greenberg train show monroeville ( pittsburgh) expo mart. 2 miles west of pa turnpike 6 old / 60? new on US buisness route 22. hours 10 to 4 each day. i will have some ho, american models S scale and magazine current and back issues ( mm, rmj, ctc board, s-gaugian, sn3) andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24033	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: Proto Passenger Car Diaphrams

Scenery Unlimited offers on in their catalogue. I've not bought it, however, and don't know anyone who has. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24034	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: Frankiln questions - Answer - A great book

Steve, FYI: The enclosed small jpgs contain your answer. The book is great and I would strongly recommend buying it. Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24035	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: MMT Catalog

Here are the correct email and mailing address for MMT. Marlin Becker, prop. MMT MODEL RAILROAD 311 SOUTH BROAD ST. LITITZ, PA. 17543 717-627-3980 Mmttrains@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24036	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] Proto Passenger Car Diaphrams

Guys, These Diaphragms don't last, the rubber which is stretched over metal forms to make the bellows effect breaks down and splits apart. I bought six are seven pairs and they all fell apart. NO GOOD, though they looked good for a few months. HSJ--NASG On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:20:26 EST Paul4Schil@... writes: > Scenery Unlimited offers on in their catalogue. I've not bought it, > > however, and don't know anyone who has. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > To see or post Photos visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24037	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: 718 on ebay

hi, on ebay there is a 718 mail car,,,tuscan color,,,,i have a maroon one,,,,is that the same as the tuscan one selling for $455 on ebay??? i tried to sell it once for $20,,,, ----- Original Message ----- From: <rhoffman@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MMT Catalog > Here are the correct email and mailing address for MMT. > > Marlin Becker, prop. > > MMT MODEL RAILROAD > 311 SOUTH BROAD ST. > LITITZ, PA. 17543 > > 717-627-3980 > > Mmttrains@... > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24038	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] 718 on ebay

**(((hi, on ebay there is a 718 mail car,,,tuscan color,,,,i have a maroon one,,,,is that the same as the tuscan one selling for $455 on ebay??? i tried to sell it once for $20,,,,)))*** I cannot find the car on ebay of which you speak. I think it was brought up before here on the list about Greenberg using "Tuscan" instead of "Maroon". Greenberg states, "No reported sales" of the Maroon car (Tuscan as THEY say),....and the TM guide states the maroon car is highly sought, but no price. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24039	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: TMCC Technical explanation and drawings

I have posted a set of TMCC schematics and technical explanation therof for you curious types, written by Cam Bickel, on my web site at: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCCSchematics/TMCCSchematics.htm My thanks to Cam. Neat stuff.. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24040	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Re: Frankiln questions

In a message dated 2/15/03 1:17:23 PM, splitdorf@... writes: << Is this the Washington engine? Is this diamond stack used on the Washington?. >> The Washington was originally intended to have a diamond stack (also known as a "cabbage stack"), but was not produced as such. The insert for the Washington set box usually has the cut out to clear a diamond stack. The Washington was built with the Franklin stack probably to save costs. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24041	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: Trades part 3

Good Evening Here is a third grouping of items, that I would like to toss out, maybe see if I can get a third reply or such. 1) 25059 rocket launcher blue launcher pod, red and white original rocket, no track trips or buttons, just the launcher and rocket.....An AF T&P GP shell good enough you can at least tell it was black and orange. 2) 977 flat man caboose, better than good shape, light rust on end railing and stack, couple rubs to black paint on body, but very good condition, it won't drag down your collection. Might put one and two together to get a bit better T&P shell 3) Ertl 51 Chevy green and tan interior, two door mint on card, going to have several years use before you have to put the bottle caps in the shifter linkages dated 22609. On Die Cast metal replica blue card $8 and postage 4) Lionel American Flyer Tractor Trailer 6-12810 1994 production, mint in box never open, blue cab and blue and yellow trailer....$40 and $5 postage 5) A 4 wheel tender D.156 and a 4 wheel Shell tank car, missing one wheel set, and maybe the handrails or platform for around the dome which ever it had..S wind up or battery, metal wheels metal axles...Tender is typical European or Japanese styling, made in Japan marked with the Y in what some called the maple leaf looks more like a five point star with the tips removed........? 6) From these same folks in Japan, The Puzzle Rail, battery engine and two 4 wheel open gondolas, engine is a plastic 0-4-0 one battery, has wheels not flanges, same on the gondolas..the "track" not really track, is panels with grooves in them to allow for the train to follow, trees, a building , a signal and platform and 8 panels, listed as Set A item 188, includes instruction set and shows additional items, boxes is rough contents good shape. Like I say same "Y" folks in Japan....I would probably date it in the late to mid sixties...certainly post 62...has a Wal Mart sticker, and for the Wal Mart groupies out there it came from Store #1 Hand written price tag, naw Sam or Helen didn't price it sorry. ............? Uins hollar if the mood strikes. gale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24042	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/15/2003
Subject: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta

Hey Everybody! Just In the door from the show, and I heard there was approx. 10,000 people today! WOW! Lots of people checking out my AF display and most of the kids having to get dragged away to see the "other"displays. I guess I had the best smoking trains in any gauge. Unfortunately, the S scale guys did'nt have a display this year. Couple of dealers had some track for sale and 302 sets for $350, any taker's? Anyways, lots of people looking for track and stuff to get their trains going again. Looks like hope for S gauge still! Can't wait too see how it goes tomorrow, I hope everybody who is doing their local trainshows will be encouraged by the response I've received this day! Al Kielek P.S I ran my LTI NP passenger set 8hrs straight and at the end of the show the motors were "cool" as a cucumber! WOW I'm impressed! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24043	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta

Kielek Family wrote: >I ran my LTI NP passenger set 8hrs straight and at the end of the >show the motors were "cool" as a cucumber! Glad you're not having any problems! :^) BTW, did you feel the MOTOR itself, or just the truck chassis? What was the ambient temp in the room, about? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24044	From: waldootten	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta

> P.S I ran my LTI NP passenger set 8hrs straight and at the end of the show the motors were "cool" as a cucumber! WOW I'm impressed! Al -- At about what speed did you run it for those eight hours? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24045	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: speed record on the Milwaukee

Joseph Francis said: >So, running your Lionel's fast IS prototypical! To emulate 96 miles per hour, a Lionel 0 gauge engine would need to travel at an actual 2 MPH. At the speeds we ran 'em as kids, they were candidates for the Bonneville salt flats land speed record! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24046	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: speed record on the Milwaukee

I mis-posted this to the wrong list. It was for the TCA's TTML. Sorry! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24047	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Train Show Next Weekend - St. Pete

SORRY, snowed in. As soon as I get this 30 inches shoveled away, I'll be right down!! Did I mention I hated snow?? Always looking to buy Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's..... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mark Preman <amerflyer@y...> wrote: > For you Florida folks(or visitors): > Great American Trains Show!!!!!!! > Show Feb 22 and 23 at Pinellas Expo Center on Rt 19N. > Hours usually 11am to 5pm. Mark > > ===== > Mark B. Preman > AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24048	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: 718 on ebay

Whats is the lettering? American Flyer Lines or New Haven? Thats the key. The American Flyer Lines is more valuable. The New Haven is no big deal and is valued the same as the common unpainted versions. Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's..... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "louis glumac" <lglumac@a...> wrote: > hi, on ebay there is a 718 mail car,,,tuscan color,,,,i have a maroon > one,,,,is that the same as the tuscan one selling for $455 on ebay??? i > tried to sell it once for $20,,,, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rhoffman@i...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 4:30 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MMT Catalog > > > > Here are the correct email and mailing address for MMT. > > > > Marlin Becker, prop. > > > > MMT MODEL RAILROAD > > 311 SOUTH BROAD ST. > > LITITZ, PA. 17543 > > > > 717-627-3980 > > > > Mmttrains@a... > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24049	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] 718 on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3113155104&category=480 It was the American Flyer Lines version, and a nice near mint one too. Worth every penny. Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's..... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <comic@d...> wrote: > > > > > **(((hi, on ebay there is a 718 mail car,,,tuscan color,,,,i have a maroon > one,,,,is that the same as the tuscan one selling for $455 on ebay??? i > tried to sell it once for $20,,,,)))*** > > I cannot find the car on ebay of which you speak. > I think it was brought up before here on the list about Greenberg using "Tuscan" instead of "Maroon". > > Greenberg states, "No reported sales" of the Maroon car (Tuscan as THEY say),....and the TM guide > states the maroon car is highly sought, but no price. > > > Rick. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24050	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Recent trip

Sorry for the delay in answering; just got back from 2 1/2 week trip with >1400 e-mails waiting. Where in South America? If it were farther South than the Equator (around Ecuador), maybe it is due to the corealis effect (water runs down a drain clockwise North of the Equator, and runs counterclockwise South of the Equator) :-) . My apologies to any of the same answer that appears in my remaining 650 e-mails that I have yet to read. Rance Velapoldi richard.bendever@... wrote: >Trains are supposed to go around in a 'specific' direction??? > >---My wife & I made a trip to South America recently and I was surprised to >see them run their trains around their Christmas trees counterclockwise. > >Tim Brown > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24051	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Vacation

Robin and I are off to London (to visit John Prior) tomorrow weather permitting. I will be turning off the my e-groups until we return on the 24th. Our SHS offices will be open, but the times may vary for phone service and order taking. Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24052	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Diaphragms

This type of diaphragm was originally made with neoprene by Monroe Hobby Products (MHP) or Wright Enterprises in the 1950's. The ones I have are still in great condition. Scenery Unlimited later reproduced them with inferior rubber which broke down. I returned the bad ones to Don H. and he replaced them with good ones. Just a bad batch of rubber I guess, as the replacements held up fine. Bill Frazier > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:14:48 -0500 > From: Howell S Jobbins <hsjobbins@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: Proto Passenger Car Diaphrams > > Guys, These Diaphragms don't last, the rubber which is stretched over > metal forms to make the bellows effect breaks down and splits apart. I > bought six are seven pairs and they all fell apart. NO GOOD, though they > looked good for a few months. HSJ--NASG > > On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:20:26 EST Paul4Schil@... writes: > >Scenery Unlimited offers on in their catalogue. I've not bought it, > > > >however, and don't know anyone who has. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24053	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: 718 on ebay

***(((Whats is the lettering? American Flyer Lines or New Haven? Thats the key. The American Flyer Lines is more valuable. The New Haven is no big deal and is valued the same as the common unpainted versions.)))*** Oops! David brought up a point that I missed,....the TM guide does say "AFL" for the highly sought Maroon car! (not New Haven) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24054	From: John L.	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: AF 312 Jewell Placements

I am replacing the jewells in the tender and boiler front etc. of my 312 - seems these little puppies get lost real easy. What is the correct color and placement - I have red, green, and clear. Also what type of glue have you found best to use? Thanks for your help and for reading this emal.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24055	From: John Foley	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Josh Seltzer

Folks At the following address http://www.legacy.com/Cleveland/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=798925 there is more information about Josh from Cleveland's Plain Dealer newspaper. It is from the Obituary section. John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24056	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Couple things from Paul

1) If you have not visited the S-Scale.org photo albums lately, I suggest you you do. Many of the folks that have albums have uploaded some pretty incredible photos. Benchwork, locos, layouts, and all kinds of great eye candy. see http://www.s-scale.org/albums/ 2) I would like to add your upcoming events to S-Scale.org calendar, submit your announcements to me, or to http://s-scale.org/sscale/submit.php?menu=7 3) Hope you can join us at chat tonight. http://www.s-scale.org/forum/ (Remember, if you are an AOL user to enter the chat room using Microsoft Internet Explorer, or any non-AOL browser. 4) Also one last thing, thanks to all those who are working to make the S Lists, the best place on the planet to get S related information. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24057	From: AF336	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Why Yahoo groups

I was wondering if anyone had ever thought about petitioning for an S gauge news group to avoid these yahoo yahoos. There is one for N and also HO. You can view the HO group at rec.models.railroad.ho and general model railroading at rec.modles.railroad [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24058	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: AFL 718 at the Photo Gallery

Hello Group, I have posted some photos of my AFL 718 maroon mail pickup car on the Photo Gallery at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums From here: Pick the "MODEL RAILROADING" link Then pick the "Album: Photos from Our S Friends" link Then pick the "Album: Bullgator" link Then pick the "Album: AFL 718 Mail Pickup Car" link Is this the 'rare' version? Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24059	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: why yahoo groups

I just yesterday searched yahoo groups for "railroads". I got 375 hits and looked at them all. There were all kinds, plus a group for nihilist artists and one for redneck skinheads, both of which used the word :"railroads" in their descriptive text. I guess different things mean different things to different people. Anyway, S trains and S scale did not come up in the search. Niether did the toy trains list. Wonder why that was. I joined the New York Central group, incidentally. There used to be a wonderful group called the NYC Railroad Forum, but it got taken down because it was attacked too often. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24060	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Digest 1760 -- missing

To all: Would someone forward S-Trains digest 1760 to me. Somehow I lost it. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24061	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: jewels/diaphragms

JEWELS I have never seen anything except green jewels on the 312 SIT,and no jewels on any other version, but I don't collect variations etc and am not well informed about stuff like this. Zap a gap works well as a glue for them. I put a dot in a bottle cap and apply it where needed with a toothpick. A fine pointed tweezer is very helpful to place the jewels in the glue filled holes. These jewels glitter because there is a coat of reflective gold paint on the back. You don't want to damage this during installation. There are two sizes of jewels out there, because Lionel used them too. The Lionel jewels are larger than the Flyer jewels and do not fit into the holes in the Flyer stanchions. It ought to be possible to make replacement K-5 marker light stanchions that are hollow and actually light up. They could be illuminated with fiber optics. Real marker lights often showed one color to the side and another to the front or back, depending on if the train was an extra movement, had a second section following or was a second section following, etc. I will try to look that up. DIAPHRAGMS I have a few sets of original MPH diaphragms, and the rubber is still soft. There are a lot of instructions printed on the inside of the boxes. One line states that diaphragms should not be used on a radius smaller than 72". Another suggests cutting out 1/16 to 1/8 inch thick spacers in the shape of the diaphragm, to be placed between the d. and the car. Another thing I recall from those days was a suggestion to remove the metal outer plates when used on tinplate curves. Probably read that in the S Gauge Herald. I tried them out when I was a kid and they did not work on Flyer. See no reason why they would work now. The lack of end detail on Flyer passenger cars is disappointing, but rubber diaphragms are not the answer. Stanchions. Diaphragms. Let's have n S gauge spelling bee. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24062	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Why Yahoo groups - Some men ask why...

AF 336, I once had a college professor for philosophy that asked the question "Why" on the last question of the Phil 101 final. Everyone went off and wrote allot. I thought of the famous Shaw quote and just wrote down "Why not?" An interesting question you propose... I joined this yahoo group recently based on a recommendation from a knowledgeable hobbyist when I asked him some questions. I use to use the Use Net news groups allot before the coming of the WWW. Some issues to consider: * Most people don't even know what the news groups are... * The old style use news reader protocol? I have a news reader piece of software (I've heard outlook can read news groups but its not good at it), but I don't know if others would know what 1 is. * The news groups do allow multimedia postings (pictures) directly in the e-mail which I like. * One disadvantage is that the groups don't archive as well as I've seen at the Yahoo groups. My ISP doesn't want to chew up the space. * The newsgroup threads seem easier to identify in the USE net news groups, but maybe as a yahoo newbie I'm missing something. * The only thing I have noticed is that the news groups have fallen out of favor since the WWW and the HTTP browser dominated environment that it standardized. Do you think this is true for n and ho groups compared to the analogous yahoo groups (in terms of active participation)? By the by, he gave me the full 10 points on the last question. Keep questioning... I believe it's definitely a sign of intelligence... I is an educated man! :>) Scott Dee _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24063	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: AFL 718 at the Photo Gallery

Yes Bull, you have the rare one there. Always looking for old Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24064	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Pennsy Jewels

They are green, both pilot and tender. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24065	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta

In a message dated 2/16/03 3:40:31 AM, jayhoo64@... writes: << Kielek Family wrote: >I ran my LTI NP passenger set 8hrs straight and at the end of the >show the motors were "cool" as a cucumber! Glad you're not having any problems! :^) BTW, did you feel the MOTOR itself, or just the truck chassis? What was the ambient temp in the room, about? Chuck F. >> The experience stated above squares with mine. Heaven knows that there are all sorts of things to criticize about 90s production Flyonel (the NP set is Kughn era LTI production), but it usually runs for extended periods and stays cool for hours. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24066	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: AF 312 Jewell Placements

My 1946 Flyer 310 has 4 green ones. My later 312 has no jewels, just 2 green painted dimples in the rear and apparently unpainted dimples in the front. Looks like maybe they used what they had. By contrast, my American Models streamlined K4 has 2 green in front, 2 red on the tender and this may be correct. Anyone know for sure?. "John L." wrote: > > I am replacing the jewells in the tender and boiler front etc. of my 312 > - seems these little puppies get lost real easy. What is the correct > color and placement - I have red, green, and clear. Also what type of > glue have you found best to use? Thanks for your help and for reading > this emal. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24067	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: S-Scale.org Photo Albums - FAQ

Who can have S-Scale.org Albums? ans. Anyone that wants to share their S-related photos with others. How much does it cost? ans. Its FREE! How do I get my own album? ans. Just send a note to Paul, he can set you up with a login and password. (Paul at S-Scale.org) Is this the same as my S-Scale.org login? ans. No it's a different application, requires an different account. Why not just use Yahoo Albums? ans. Well you can do that if you want, but Yahoo has space limits, advertisements, and does not have all the flexibility and features that we enjoy at S-Scale.org/albums/ Where do I go to learn more about the Albums? ans. Check out http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=Photo-Gallery-HELP! http://s-scale.org/albums/ and look for the Photo Gallery - Help What kind of stuff is allowed? ans : Any S-Related images. Diagrams, Pictures, Subjects include Scale, Hirail, Tinplate, Brass, Flyer, model building, kitbashing, scenery, layouts, benchwork, conventions, train shows, product showcase, open house, and on and on... What about Text? ans. Every image has a place to add text, as well as searchable keywords. Is it interactive? ans. It sure is. People can leave comments on your pictures and projects. How do my images get on the Internet? ans. Once you get a login, you will be able to upload your images directly to the website. Hope this helps answer some of the questions you may have relating to the S-Scale.org Photo Albums. If nothing else you owe it to yourself to visit the albums. There are some great shots out there. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24068	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Controller Button - Pushing my buttons...

S-Gaugers, We have a AF Oil Drum loader on a 1957 Train set. The original button is a press button that operates the accessory when the button is held down. Well, over the years, the button has worn out and no longer works correctly. In my efforts to find a reproduction button over the Internet from a couple of vendors (the usual suspects � although - I may have missed 1), I have only seen the type of rotary button (On-Off-On) for the oil drum loader. Obviously, Gilbert made two versions. Does anyone know why? � maybe it was to prevent wear out of the press button design? We would prefer the press button version � does any one know where I could find a vendor that sells a repro press version for the OIL Drum Loader (besides an E-bay used version). Thanks Scott Dee _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24069	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: 718 & 918 tuccan.

hi,i have both a 918 and a 718 tuscan mail car,,,that says american flyer lines across the top,or moroon as they called them in the older price guides,are they both rare? or both common? thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> To: <s-trains@...> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Controller Button - Pushing my buttons... > S-Gaugers, > > We have a AF Oil Drum loader on a 1957 Train set. > The original button is a press button that operates the accessory when the > button is held down. Well, over the years, the button has worn out and no > longer works correctly. > > In my efforts to find a reproduction button over the Internet from a couple > of vendors (the usual suspects - although - I may have missed 1), I have > only seen the type of rotary button (On-Off-On) for the oil drum loader. > > Obviously, Gilbert made two versions. Does anyone know why? - maybe it was > to prevent wear out of the press button design? > > We would prefer the press button version - does any one know where I could > find a vendor that sells a repro press version for the OIL Drum Loader > (besides an E-bay used version). > > Thanks > Scott Dee > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24070	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: controller buttons

AF controller buttons are generally pretty easy to repair. Usually, play use loosens the pins that hold the bottom board up inside the housing. You can just substitute S230B screws, the black self tapping screws found under tenders and 960 series passenger cars, or another short screw of that type, for the pins. If the plastic screw hole is shattered you can build it up. There is a lot on this in the archives. If the contacts or spring are defective, you can just substitute parts from an uncoupler button. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24071	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Controller Button - Pushing my buttons...

The push type buttons for the Oil Drum Loader are for the very late 5 digit version. All earlier versions use the rotary which would still be correct for your loader. I don't know of anyone who might be repro- ing the push button version. Try Gardinia, Port Lines and Leventons. If no one makes it, use a generic push type, or buy a rotary which ever suits your needs. Always looking for old Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24072	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: 718 & 918 tuccan.

Only the 718 is considered rare with AFL. The 918 was produced that way for some time, the last of the 718's got caught up in the transition, and are scarcer. Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24073	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 16, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24074	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

In a message dated 2/16/2003 7:05:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Unfortunately, while I'm here going thru a historic snowstorm, I can't get access. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24075	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta

RB wrote: >The experience stated above squares with mine. Glad to hear it, but that doesn't answer the questions I posed. I'll try again: When it was stated that "the motors were 'cool' as a cucumber" did that refer to the motors THEMSELVES (as felt at the motor casing) or to the truck chassis? The distinction is important because the plastic motor mount is a good thermal insulator. The truck chassis can feel comfortably cool even when the motor is very hot. When I burned out the motor in my SF geep, the truck was only slightly warm. The motor casing was so hot I probably would've gotten a blister if I'd left my finger against it for a few seconds. Also, ambient room temperature is a factor. The mall that was the scene of my geep's burnout was air-conditioned to about 72 degrees F. That's why I dared to run it there for 1/2 hr. periods. (The burnout run was inadvertently long, about 1 hr.) At home I would run it for only 20 minutes at a time, and with lighter loads, before it would begin to slow down from overheating. >Heaven knows that there are all sorts of things to criticize about >90s production Flyonel (the NP set is Kughn era LTI production), but >it usually runs for extended periods and stays cool for hours. With two motors, I would HOPE a Flyonel Alco could pull well. As I've said before, the performance of my SF geep improved significantly after I installed a post-1990 motor into it. Now the loco can run an hour without damage. Still, I wouldn't dare run it all day, non-stop as I have my AM and SHS locos. (I'll leave brass locos out of this! :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24076	From: David	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: AF 312 Jewell Placements

Correct prototype PRR jewel placement would be green on front, red on rear, amber on sides. Gilbert used green on all four corners. Always looking for orignal Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's in excellent condition....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24077	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Supertrain" Feb 15/16th Calgary Alberta

In a message dated 2/16/03 8:36:23 PM, jayhoo64@... writes: << As I've said before, the performance of my SF geep improved significantly after I installed a post-1990 motor into it. Now the loco can run an hour without damage. >> The NP is a post-1990 engine. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24078	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Last Call: Lionel 2003 AF Items

The last date for ordering American Flyer items from the 2003 Lionel Book 1 Catalog from Joe's Train Repair is Thursday, February 27th at noon. My order to Lionel goes in that afternoon. Many of these items, based on presales, will probably be sellouts. This is especially true of the Moe and Joe Unloading Car and the Baggage Smasher. Items are listed below as Lionel product #, description, (ship date), [retail price], and my price. Shipping is extra. 6-48034 Seaboard Baldwin Switcher (Oct) [$249.99] $220 6-48035 Santa Fe Baldwin Switcher (Oct) [$249.99] $220 6-48352 PRR Boxcar (July) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48413 Diamond Chemical Tank Car (July) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48531 Chessie Depressed Center Flatcar with Cable Reel (November) [$59.99] $ 50 6-48532 Southern Pacific Flatcar w/Piggy Back Trailers (July) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48622 Burlington Hopper w/coal (July) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48723 Santa Fe Boom Car (November) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48724 Seaboard Lighted Caboose (Nov) [$49.99] $ 41 6-48808 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer w/operating Doors (July) [$49.99] $ 41 6-49011 Union Pacific operating Moe & Joe Lumber Flatcar (November) [$69.99] $ 57 6-49012 Santa Fe oper. Crane Car (Nov) [$69.99] $ 57 6-49810 787 Log Loader (October) [$129.99] $105 6-49812 755 Talking Station (October) [$199.99] $160 6-49813 789 Baggage Smasher (October) [$129.99] $105 6-49814 774 Floodlight Tower (October) [$99.99] $ 80 Credit card holders (Visa or Master Card) of record can reserve items immediately, with payment made on credit card when item is shipped. Non-credit card holders must place a 30 percent deposit (personal check, cashiers check, or money order) with balance of payment due at the beginning of the month of shipping date to ensure immediate shipping. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24079	From: AF336	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: So what about this Rocket set???

Isn't this a little out of whack too? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3114481038&category=480

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24080	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Merry-go-round

Greetings to all! We are off to the Ertl Country Fair, The grandkids will have lots of fun there, What is this a frown No it's not the clown, The Merry does not go around. I rummaged a lot Through the old "junk" box Looking for a motor or two, The one I found Did go around But one RPM will not do. So here is the task, (With an 8 tooth, 5/16" gear) Can I make it go fast? If so, what must I do To make it go round, Do away with those frowns And maybe the Ferris Wheel, too? Thanks for help! Best to all, Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24081	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: Fwd: SMOKE FLUID BLATANT AD

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 24082	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2003
Subject: SMOKE FLUID BLATANT AD

Hi Guys,                  Just received the new 4oz bottles to make the price a better deal. The 4oz with dropper is $10.00 + $3.00 shipping.  For those of you that would like a refill bottle the 8oz refill size (No Dropper) is $17 + $4.00 shipping. Thank You, Mike S. Contact me off list. Checks, MO's & Paypal OK Michael Strickland   6834 Quinton Ln    Tujunga, Ca   91042  Please E-mail me with your info & I can ship before pmt gets to me from list members [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24083	From: waldootten	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: AM turnout wiring

Just received a few AM turnouts. How are these wired? Is the main and the track coming off the main hot all the time? Is there a way this can be wired so that only the track direction selected by moving the points is hot? Instructions were included but lacked wiring instructions. Thanks gang Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24084	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: AM turnout wiring

Not that I am aware of. The rails of the Normal route and Diverging route are hot all of the time. You have to use gaps in the rails and the aux. contacts from a switch machine or wire it into your control panel's block control to change the power routing. Carl -----Original Message----- From: waldootten <waldootten@...> [mailto:waldootten@...] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:25 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AM turnout wiring Just received a few AM turnouts. How are these wired? Is the main and the track coming off the main hot all the time? Is there a way this can be wired so that only the track direction selected by moving the points is hot? Instructions were included but lacked wiring instructions. Thanks gang Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24085	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] So what about this Rocket set???

What's out of whack? Looks like a buyer and a seller agreed on the price of an item. Has nothing to do with its value, or worth, to someone else. Roy Inman ---------- > From: AF336 <AF336@...> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:29:57 -0800 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] So what about this Rocket set??? > > Isn't this a little out of whack too? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3114481038&category=480 > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24086	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Parallel AF track lines

What is the absolute minimum distance, centerline to centerline, I can lay parallel "straight" lines of AF track? It looks like I could get away with 2.50" but I'm not too sure.........or not too confident to be honest about it. Any help would be appreciated. Bill in Rochester

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24087	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: S-Scale.org Photo Albums -

**(((Who can have S-Scale.org Albums? ans. Anyone that wants to share their S-related photos with others. How do I get my own album? ans. Just send a note to Paul, he can set you up with a login and password. (Paul at S-Scale.org))))**** Hope more of you can start an album or two and share some photos with us all!! A great way to send your photos to friends and relatives to show off your train fun!! Rick. :^) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24088	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Merry Go Round

>But one RPM will not do. So here is the task, (With an 8 tooth, 5/16" gear) Can I make it go fast? If so, what must I do To make it go round,< To go faster you need to go from more teeth to less. Since you are not likely to go smaller than 8 teeth, you need a larger drive gear. Perhaps a larger gear could be a press fit over the small one (small gear becomes the hub). A gear or pully of larger size can drive a smaller one to get more turns per revolution. Or, drive a shaft with a larger pully, and from the large pully a smaller one ot the Merry Go Round jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24089	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Rocket Set

>Isn't this a little out of whack too?< 22 bids, 10 different bidders, just an auction as I see it. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24090	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: marker lights

This is from How To Run a Model Railroad (1944) and Model Railroad Handbook (1951) , both by Kalmbach. locomotive: flags by day, flags and lanterns by night located on sides of smoke box front "fairly high up" some rr's have back up markers on pilot beam back up markers (on tender/pilot beam?) not universal Scheduled train: no marker by day headlight considered a marker at night green: indicates a section following white: indicates an extra rear end markers: lanterns with green on three sides and red on one side. ordinarily red shows to the rear when train is in a siding, red turned in and all sides show green when train running on wrong main track, green displayed on the side toward the right main so a train coming up behind will know which track is occupied (green on the side towards which the train can be safely passed) rules on multiple track lines are more complicated some eastern roads use yellow instead of green on three sides of lantern. "Railroad iron is a magician's rod." Emerson, 1836 Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24091	From: David	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: So what about this Rocket set???

Nope, thats about correct as for value of a nice clean EX Rocket set. Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars in Excellent condition from the 60's.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24092	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: So what about this Rocket set???

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "AF336" <AF336@h...> wrote: > Isn't this a little out of whack too? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3114481038&category=480 Prices for the highest grades of postwar Flyer seem very high when compared to operating condition (GD-VG) stuff. But I think you have to keep in mind that there are probably at least 100 times as many "operator quality" examples out there for every LN/OB piece in existence. And there is a population of buyers that will only consider items in LN to mint condition. They understand the rarity of what they're after and are willing to pay for it. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24093	From: theheadliner	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: So what about this Rocket set???

You are going to have to cough up a lot more than that to get my set. Jerry AF336 writes: > Isn't this a little out of whack too? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3114481038&category=480 > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email at http://quickmail.quickhosts.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24094	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: B & O RR museum roof collapsed

I don't know how many are aware that at least one-half of the roof of the B&O RR museum collapsed last night from the snow load. Apparently many priceless piece are damaged or destroyed, as well as much of the roof structure of this historic building. Apparently no one was in the building at the time, so no injuries. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24095	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: Fest Button

My vote is for number 5. Howard PS, the last day for getting the new Lionel cars or accessories at the low prices is the 27th. Order now or be sorry later. Some of these will be sellouts. > > > >Carole Brewer spent some time working with the Fest button after Jan got >home last Sunday. Jan has some time before he has to give our final >decision to the "button maker". > >Take a look at doc. 4 and 5. I think doc. 5 stresses the Fest yet still >identifies the group. My thanks to Jan for proposing some other concepts. > >Let me know what you think. If you don't vote, that means you can't >complain! > > Attachment: flyer_fest 3.docAttachment: flyer_fest 4.docAttachment: flyer_fest 5.doc> > _______________________________________________________________________ Internet Access, Shared & Dedicated Web Hosting. Colocation and Domain Name Registration at http://www.lanset.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24096	From: X3C12@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Reverse E-Bay (?????)

Wanted: "Cut to Size" and Standard original AF track and accessories; does not have to be in "excellent" shape; being used and usable is just fine: (1) 8.00" straight piece (4) 5.00" straight pieces (1) 3.50" straight piece (1) 6.50" straight piece (9) 10.0" straight pieces (6) 1/2 length curved pieces (2pr) switches (prefer 2 manual and 2 electric) (please specify LH, RH, manual or electric) Include UPS or Parcel Post shipping to Upstate New York; not next day and no insurance required. Don't break down pricing -- just give me a lump sum amount I'll mail a money order by this Friday. (I don't like to mess around with E-Bay and I'm not ready to cut track yet....good bidding!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24097	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: trades

Good evening list From the #3 list, the rocket launcher and the 977 caboose are gone. Thanks to all that showed an interest. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24098	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/17/2003
Subject: Re: B & O RR museum roof collapsed

HI all, Regarding the B & O destruction, here's the RPN board URL: http://www.rypn.org/cgi-bin/interchange.pl And the first thread of a long set of threads w/link to more photos: http://64.226.170.141/cgi-bin/Interchange.pl?read=21293 What is left standing may collapse, may have already done so, as it is still snowing, and the roof sorta requires each member to reinforce the other members. It also appears the William Mason is buried under the mess too. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24099	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Store Pictures

Enjoy Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24100	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: L & N Nashville

http://www.koyote.com/users/whsulliv/louisvillenashville3.htm Enjoy, Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24101	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: food stores

I foregot to paste. Jim Sleeth http://www.groceteria.net/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24102	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: More trains

http://www.herronrail.com/gallery.html Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24103	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [AtlanticCoastSGaugers] Fw: Snow, Snow, Snow

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 24104	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Memory Test?

> Subject: Con-Cor sale > Two weeks ago or so, someone was kind enough to put the URL for a > Con-Cor site listing structures for sale. For "memory tests" such as this, Yahoo gives us something "for our money". Go to the groups.yahoo.com page for your favorite group, such as http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ Scroll down to the "Search Archive" box, type in a few words, such as "con-cor" and voila http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/messagesearch?query=con-cor ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24105	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: testing my new email address from site...delete!!

Test!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24106	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: test delete!!

TEST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24107	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: You guys out there...??

I received an email from the Plasticville group,....however, my message to the group hasn't bounced, nor has it showed up at the site, or my email!! My new address is working. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24108	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: My new email address.....

Hi group,.. For those that have me in their address book,....my new email is-- bassflyer@... I'm on cable modem finally!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24109	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: test 4 delete

test [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24110	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

The photos are up...! http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/browse_new_sub.cfm?prdsubtype=S%20Gauge%20Freight%20Cars&prdtype=2003%201st%20Edition&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA90060B0576B82&fldID=A55D2D2C-89A8-11D4-ADAE0060B0576B82 If this link get chopped by yahoo, just go to ttp://www.k-linetrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24111	From: keith kuzma	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re.WOW WOW WOW

Looks like MARX 027 with flyer numbers,and scale (?) wheelsets.I don't think SHS or American Models has anything to worry about here.I guess we'll need an 027 loc now too. NOT WOWWING HERE! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24112	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

Looks neat. Will be interested to hear what someone thinks when they get one in their hands. Please keep the list posted. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24113	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

In a message dated 02/18/2003 3:28:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, myflyertrains@... writes: > The photos are up...! > This new stuff by K-Line could be a real shot in the arm for low cost "sets" for new S-Gaugers. I'm gonna buy most of them myself.. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24114	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Re.WOW WOW WOW

I don't know. I understand they were made from 3/16 inch Marx molds. They sure look to be the correct size to me. Would love to see one next to a Gilbert car! keith kuzma wrote: >Looks like MARX 027 with flyer numbers,and scale (?) >wheelsets.I don't think SHS or American Models has >anything to worry about here.I guess we'll need an 027 >loc now too. NOT WOWWING HERE! > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24115	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

Hey Guys and Gals....Looked at the photos....Reminds me of another picture of a new car, by one of the other "S" mfrs....not lyingonel....It looked like an HO car with a BIG "s" coupler...out of proportion.....These pics look like a 0-27 or S with an HO set of trucks....I have a feeling that they are going to look much better in person...Note the screw in the end of the Box Car....Ahla...Gilbert!!! I bet these are Artists renderings and not real photos....Anyway at 17.95 each....I can't buy new trucks for my flats for that price....If they are good...I am going to order all of them...Maybe it will give Maury a kick where it feels good in the wallet...Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24116	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: k-line S gauge cars all on one page...

Here they are, all of the cars on one page! Enjoy... http://myflyertrains.org/k-line.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24117	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: k-line S gauge cars all on one page...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > Here they are, all of the cars on one page! > > Enjoy... > > http://myflyertrains.org/k-line.htm I like them and will definitely buy several. However, I'll probably change the plain journal bearing trucks on the Timken car for SHS roller bearing trucks! Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24118	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Kline rolling stock - Product Review?

Perhaps out of this we can get a product review for MR, The Dispatch and S Gaugian, (among others). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24119	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

This is exciting. They look like S Helper trucks. Suppose they will be or they were just used for the photos pending new tooling? At last we have something you could give a grandson that's new and not expensive. My local hobby store sells Train 19 @ list of 19.95 ea. for 17.95 so I assume that'll be his price for these. Chuck Harrington wrote: > > The photos are up...! > > http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/browse_new_sub.cfm?prdsubtype=S%20Gauge%20Freight%20Cars&prdtype=2003%201st%20Edition&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA90060B0576B82&fldID=A55D2D2C-89A8-11D4-ADAE0060B0576B82 > > If this link get chopped by yahoo, just go to ttp://www.k-linetrains.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24120	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

It would seem to me, that k-line nearly has the makings of the inexpensive starter set some of you guys have been wanting. They have the rolling stock and the track, add an engine and a transformer, put it in one box, there you go... Carl Tuveson wrote: >I agree, they look like artists renderings. Anyway they will certainly be >great for the grandkids to play with behind an Atlantic if nothing else at >that price. I have the whole bunch on order. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24121	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:09:08 -0500, Chuck Harrington wrote: >It would seem to me, that k-line nearly has the makings of the >inexpensive starter set some of you guys have been wanting. Next thing someone will want switches... I'll get in line for 54" switches. A 30' crossing would be handy as well while dreaming. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24122	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: K-line S-Gauge cars

I've been waiting for someone to comment on what I noticed immediately. Hasn't happened yet so I'll be the first. (maybe) I assume most of you noticed that MOST of the cars were numbered like Original Gilbert cars of the same ilk. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24123	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

I agree, they look like artists renderings. Anyway they will certainly be great for the grandkids to play with behind an Atlantic if nothing else at that price. I have the whole bunch on order. Carl -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Chuck Harrington Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW! Hey Guys and Gals....Looked at the photos....Reminds me of another picture of a new car, by one of the other "S" mfrs....not lyingonel....It looked like an HO car with a BIG "s" coupler...out of proportion.....These pics look like a 0-27 or S with an HO set of trucks....I have a feeling that they are going to look much better in person...Note the screw in the end of the Box Car....Ahla...Gilbert!!! I bet these are Artists renderings and not real photos....Anyway at 17.95 each....I can't buy new trucks for my flats for that price....If they are good...I am going to order all of them...Maybe it will give Maury a kick where it feels good in the wallet...Bob S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24124	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

<< http://myflyertrains.org/k-line.htm>> The price is right, but they do look strange (steep roof pitch?). The Ford and Timkin schemes are nice ideas, but the redos of classic schemes done by Gilbert with the old Flyer numbers right on their sides are VERY tacky. I think I can manage to resist these with ease. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24125	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

First, the tankcars; From the illustration, these seem to be from marx's "deluxe" (per Greenberg)line. The tank itself is a believable size for S scale. So is the ladder. The chassis is a little wide (unless K-Line has narrowed it) for S by about 1/8th inch as I recall. I already have 3 of these which I converted to S over a decade ago. One is a Penn Salt, even! Boxcars; It's not conclusive which boxcar mold K-Line is using for these. The original 3/16th" scale plastic boxcar was a "medium grade" car with molded on doors, so if they did use the 3/16th" scale tooling, it's been altered. Unfortunately, the proportions of the illustration look like that of Marx's "deluxe" boxcar. They had opening doors alright, but were NOT 3/16th" scale, being a bit too wide. Let's hope the production trucks look as good as the pix. WAY better AND fewer $ than Flyonel. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24126	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

Hmm, veeedry interestink! These are definately artist's concepts, so who knows what they'll really look like. What I don't understand is, why didn't they doo the SF cattle car? I have a few of these converted, and they are definately S scale. I will HAVE to get the Ford and Timken cars! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24127	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/18/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

I have an original Marx B&O Boxcar and 3 dome tanker that I put S trucks under about 20 years ago. These are the exact same bodies. They aren't great models but are definitely s gauge (can't bring myself to say "scale") size. They will be just great for starter sets for kids. Michael Lueck wrote: > > Looks neat. Will be interested to hear what someone thinks when they get one in > their hands. Please keep the list posted. > > Michael > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24128	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: K-Line

The K-Line cars give us something to run and not worry about lossing value from scratches. They could use the Marx Caboose if they finished the end that has no detail. The roof walk is thicker an the door not detailed at one end. For years I have been wanting to spice 2 together. I figure I will run a Industrial Rail Caboose. Someone said the Industrial Rail Box car is usible if narrowed???? K-Line has a 3/16 Hudson and I bet they will bring it out before Lionel does a Stream Engine. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24129	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Train movies

http://www.worldrailfans.org/SiteGeneral/Movies.shtml Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24130	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: marker lights

On the UPRR and ATSF the head light was never a marker light. Head light use. When meeting a train, your head light was dimmed if running on double track. If you are in a passing siding and you as the engineer know your rear end is in the clear you turn your headlight out. If you do not know that you are in the clear you leave it on and that is a signal to the oncoming train that you are not in the clear and they must proceed as if you were not, and be prepared to stop short of your train that is not in the clear. Marker light are NEVER used on the front of a train. The green for a following section or the white for an extra ARE NOT markers. The are signals. The rule for a trains is as follows: An engine with or with out cars, with or with out signals, displaying markers. Thank you Larry Jackman PS Did I tell you the story of the Trainmaster who turned out the markers on a passenger train to test an operator and screwed up the whole RR???? jarcho@... wrote: > > This is from How To Run a Model Railroad (1944) and Model Railroad Handbook > (1951) , both by Kalmbach. > > locomotive: flags by day, flags and lanterns by night > located on sides of smoke box front "fairly high up" > some rr's have back up markers on pilot beam > back up markers (on tender/pilot beam?) not universal > Scheduled train: no marker by day > headlight considered a marker at night IF YOU HAVE NO MARKER BY DAY WHY WOULD YOU HAVE ONE BY NIGHT??? > green: indicates a section following > white: indicates an extra > > rear end markers: > lanterns with green on three sides and red on one side. > ordinarily red shows to the rear > when train is in a siding, red turned in and all sides show green > when train running on wrong main track, green displayed on the side toward > the right main so a train coming up behind will know which track is > occupied > (green on the side towards which the train can be safely passed) > rules on multiple track lines are more complicated > some eastern roads use yellow instead of green on three sides of lantern. > > "Railroad iron is a magician's rod." Emerson, 1836 > > Tom Jarcho > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24131	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: K-LINE S GAUGE CARS

Why do most of the cars pictured have A.C. Gilbert numbers? Check your Gilbert guides. "L" could have a field day with copyright infringement. S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 17 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:09:42 -0500 From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> Subject: k-line S gauge cars all on one page... Here they are, all of the cars on one page! Enjoy... http://myflyertrains.org/k-line.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24132	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Timken car

It is pretty ironic, isn't it, that they wrote "Timken Roller Freight" on the side of the car, but still pictured it with friction bearings. Well, I suppose you can change them if it bothers you, as Scott pointed out. I like these cars. They are aimed at the same market as original Gilbert, that is, toys that the kids can play with, but still with enough detail so they are decent models. At $19.95 or a bit less, you could actually consider giving them to kids (or grandkids). Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: <sgriggs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: k-line S gauge cars all on one page... > I like them and will definitely buy several. However, I'll probably > change the plain journal bearing trucks on the Timken car for SHS > roller bearing trucks! > > Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24133	From: beechcricker	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Track Layout Help Request

I'm having major problems coming up with a workable track plan. I have two 4' x 8' tables arranged in an "L" configuration. I have a track crossing (though I don't have to use it), six RC switches (I don't have to use them all at first) and some half straight track sections but no half curves. I've been laying out track on the tables and using the Pike Planner to no avail as the track will not line up in some areas. I was looking at one of the layouts in the AF Model Railroad Handbook (I think that is the title) but I can't get that to work either. I do not want to cut any rail. Are there any plans out there that I can use? The frustrating part is that I've never had this problem before--I suppose the constraints of trying to put such a layout on these tables is a big part of the problem. Any assistance is appreciated. Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24134	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Not so WOW, IMHO

I went to Toy Fair on Sunday. K-Line had 2 pieces of this rolling stock there; the white B&O box and the Hooker triple dome tank. I got to handle them. The tank car is clearly 3/16ths. The ladder is plated and toy like, but the tank looks good. Paint looked thick and poorly applied. I assumed that it was a pre-production prototype but the sales people said that it was a production model at first. Then they backtracked. I don't think they were too well informed. The box car looks just plain wrong. It is too tall and looks too big for the trucks. The skirting overhangs the wheels and simply does not look like any boxcar I have ever seen. I believe that this is an 027 car on S trucks. The sales people were unsure of the difference between 3/16ths. molds and 027 molds, but they did confirm that these are former Marx cars. The trucks looked OK. They are solid, no springing. When I expressed my disappointment in the boxcars and the finish, the sales people (a man and a woman) replied. "They're only twenty bucks." I guess you have to take that into consideration. Perhaps the kitbashers among us will find plenty of material here. I think that the tankers could look really nice just by replacing the ladder. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24135	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] K-LINE S GAUGE CARS

According to my copy of "Guide to copyright," numbers cannot be copyrighted. Roy Inman ---------- > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:59:36 -0500 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] K-LINE S GAUGE CARS > > Why do most of the cars pictured have A.C. Gilbert numbers? > Check your Gilbert guides. "L" could have a field day > with copyright infringement. > > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Message: 17 > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:09:42 -0500 > From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> > Subject: k-line S gauge cars all on one page... > > Here they are, all of the cars on one page! > > Enjoy... > > http://myflyertrains.org/k-line.htm > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24136	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: The WOW thread

Jim Sleeth said: >K-Line has a 3/16 Hudson and I bet they will bring it >out before Lionel does a Stream Engine. Don't bet. I had a long chat with the Lionel Flyer guy (I taught him the word "Flyonel"!). The steam engine will be out in 2003 if they have to move heaven and earth to do it, according to him. It will be a mid-sized engine, (he would not tell me the exact one), never before produced in diecast S, and it will have a choice of two levels of TMCC. Multiple road names will be available and separately applied piping and other details will be used to make it very scale. We discussed the possibility of optional scale contour drivers. BTW, I handled the new Moe & Joe lumber car. Very nice design, uses 2 solenoids to prevent jamming. They put it on an 0 car as well. In fact, many S paint jobs are appearing on 0 cars. I just saw their new Penn Salt 0 gauge tanker. The crane and work caboose are well detailed. The prototype mockups did not have all the features, but real spoked side wheels are in the works. I didn't see a Baldwin there, but I was told that the new Baldwin is NOT the old Baldwin. No more screw. Scale like details. Windshield, diecast chassis, new trucks and reliable motor. Some cars in the new line will be out in July, the rest in November. The steamer is promised for Christmas. K-Line, on the other hand, is making no promises. If this line of freights sells out, they will most likely paint up another batch. Speaking of sell-outs, the Rick Island Geep and the NYC PA set from last year sold out completely. Lionel is now excited about Flyer. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24137	From: david.avedesian@limbachinc.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Parallel AF track lines

Dear Bill: I have used 2.5 inch in my AF yard with great success. I was able to achieve the 2.5 inch centerline to centerline by making modifications to my AF switches. I maybe repeating info that you know and if so please bear with me. I was shown how to reduce the centerlines from 5" to 2.5 " by reducing the arc of the curve from 30 degrees to 15 degrees. This is done by cutting the curved section of the AF switch just after the plastic point of the curved switch. Once i cut the curved track, I would mate a 15 degree curve (half curve) in the opposite direction. By swinging 15 degrees to the left and then 15 degrees to the right, one will have parallel track at 2.5" centerlines. I also resolded the electrical connections which is required to preserve "two train" operations. Because I had already made some changes to my AF switches, another modification that has work well was to solder all electrical contacts between the rail and mechanical connections. My AF switches work without issues. By making these changes, one has not change the radius of the track. therefore all AF compatible engines and rolling stock that could work on AF track will work after the modifications. the reason they work is we have not change the track geometry. We have only changed the length of the arc of the curve. I am sorry for all the "math". I am an engineer and that is how we communicate. The benefit of 2.5 centerlines for me was in the space of 6 tracks at 5", I was able to have a yard that has 11 tracks. With a yard that is 11 tracks at 8 feet in length, you can place alot of trains in a smaller space. As always, nothing comes free. the AF uncoupler requires a centerline of 5" in order to fit. I modified 20 uncouplers to work in the tighter space by cutting and flipping the coil so that it is below the track. It works but it is involved. If you or anyone else would like some more info please email me and i will send you a write up that I prepared some time ago. A much easier modification for uncoupling operations, is to make a small L-shape tool that you reach down between the cars to lift the uncoupler weight. this is a manual solution but it works very well also. I made mine by using some plaststure(sp) pieces. Good luck you will love the changes to your layout. David Avedesian Boston & Maryland Railroad ************************************************************************ This e-mail is the property of the Limbach Inc. and/or its relevant affiliate and may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient (s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender and delete all copies of the message. This e-mail (and any attachments hereto) are not intended to be an offer (or an acceptance) and do not create or evidence a binding and enforceable contract betweenLimbach Inc. (or any of its affiliates) and the intended recipient or any other party, and may not be relied on by anyone as the basis of a contract by estoppel or otherwise. Thank you. ************************************************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24138	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: The WOW thread

In a message dated 2/19/2003 9:59:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, busyboy@... writes: > Don't bet. > > I had a long chat with the Lionel Flyer guy Chris' comments square almost precisely with the discussions that I had with Dick Maddox and Todd Wagner during the two Yorks last year (and that I reported on this board at those times). Lionel is taking Flyer seriously at last. Todd Wagner (a life long Lionel guy) has told me that he really "likes the stuff" (meaning Flyer). The added choices coming to the S gauge enthusiast are going to be worthwhile and exciting to many. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24139	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Parallel AF track lines

Can you post a photo of your modified switch? More detail are welcome. Steve Blancard --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, david.avedesian@l... wrote: > > Dear Bill: > > I have used 2.5 inch in my AF yard with great success. I was able to > achieve the 2.5 inch centerline to centerline by making modifications to my > AF switches. > > I maybe repeating info that you know and if so please bear with me. I was > shown how to reduce the centerlines from 5" to 2.5 " by reducing the arc of > the curve from 30 degrees to 15 degrees. This is done by cutting the > curved section of the AF switch just after the plastic point of the curved > switch. Once i cut the curved track, I would mate a 15 degree curve (half > curve) in the opposite direction. By swinging 15 degrees to the left and > then 15 degrees to the right, one will have parallel track at 2.5" > centerlines. > > I also resolded the electrical connections which is required to preserve > "two train" operations. Because I had already made some changes to my AF > switches, another modification that has work well was to solder all > electrical contacts between the rail and mechanical connections. My AF > switches work without issues. By making these changes, one has not change > the radius of the track. therefore all AF compatible engines and rolling > stock that could work on AF track will work after the modifications. the > reason they work is we have not change the track geometry. We have only > changed the length of the arc of the curve. > > I am sorry for all the "math". I am an engineer and that is how we > communicate. > > The benefit of 2.5 centerlines for me was in the space of 6 tracks at 5", I > was able to have a yard that has 11 tracks. With a yard that is 11 tracks > at 8 feet in length, you can place alot of trains in a smaller space. > > As always, nothing comes free. the AF uncoupler requires a centerline of > 5" in order to fit. I modified 20 uncouplers to work in the tighter space > by cutting and flipping the coil so that it is below the track. It works > but it is involved. If you or anyone else would like some more info please > email me and i will send you a write up that I prepared some time ago. A > much easier modification for uncoupling operations, is to make a small > L-shape tool that you reach down between the cars to lift the uncoupler > weight. this is a manual solution but it works very well also. I made > mine by using some plaststure(sp) pieces. > > Good luck you will love the changes to your layout. > > David Avedesian > Boston & Maryland Railroad > > > > ********************************************************************** ** > This e-mail is the property of the Limbach Inc. and/or its relevant affiliate and may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient (s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender and delete all copies of the message. This e-mail (and any attachments hereto) are not intended to be an offer (or an acceptance) and do not create or evidence a binding and enforceable contract betweenLimbach Inc. (or any of its affiliates) and the intended recipient or any other party, and may not be relied on by anyone as the basis of a contract by estoppel or otherwise. Thank you. > ********************************************************************** **

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24140	From: wintermutedm	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Track Layout Help Request

I am working on a layout with that exact configuration. It actually has maybe an extra inch or 2 on both length and width. At any rate, I have one loop on the "short" end of the L, one loop on the longer end, then one loop going around the entire L. Switches between the outside loop and the longer L, and between the two loops. The outer loop goes over the short loop.... confused? I sure am! I use 1 crossover and 6 switches (at least, 6 that are needed in the track plan... i have a couple of sidings too, so 10 switches in all). I have some pictures I could scan at lunch to post. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beechcricker <BeechCrRR@a...>" <BeechCrRR@a...> wrote: > I'm having major problems coming up with a workable track plan. I > have two 4' x 8' tables arranged in an "L" configuration. I have a > track crossing (though I don't have to use it), six RC switches (I > don't have to use them all at first) and some half straight track > sections but no half curves. I've been laying out track on the > tables and using the Pike Planner to no avail as the track will not > line up in some areas. I was looking at one of the layouts in the AF > Model Railroad Handbook (I think that is the title) but I can't get > that to work either. I do not want to cut any rail. Are there any > plans out there that I can use? The frustrating part is that I've > never had this problem before--I suppose the constraints of trying to > put such a layout on these tables is a big part of the problem. Any > assistance is appreciated. > > Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24141	From: wintermutedm	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Track Layout Help Request

In the files section, search for trains2.jpg. These are two pictures of my little L shapped layout. Here you can see how the outer loop crosses over both inner loops. The layout lets me run up to three trains at once. Aside from the Flyonell and Flyer accessories, I have a few Lemax items, and a three birdhouses my son selected (and helped to add lights to). Right now, I usually just run 2 trains (partly because that is how many working locomotives I have). I need to put a fence up on the side with teh transformers (gets a bit close to the edge there) and I would really like to replace the white styrofoam with the pink insulation or something equally cheap (kids and cats love to dig it up). I also want to build up the mountain (where the small mountain is now) with the pink insulation, and maybe do some landscape. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "beechcricker <BeechCrRR@a...>" <BeechCrRR@a...> wrote: > I'm having major problems coming up with a workable track plan. I > have two 4' x 8' tables arranged in an "L" configuration. I have a > track crossing (though I don't have to use it), six RC switches (I > don't have to use them all at first) and some half straight track > sections but no half curves. I've been laying out track on the > tables and using the Pike Planner to no avail as the track will not > line up in some areas. I was looking at one of the layouts in the AF > Model Railroad Handbook (I think that is the title) but I can't get > that to work either. I do not want to cut any rail. Are there any > plans out there that I can use? The frustrating part is that I've > never had this problem before--I suppose the constraints of trying to > put such a layout on these tables is a big part of the problem. Any > assistance is appreciated. > > Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24142	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Digest # 1776

Hi Can anyone send me Digest # 1776, Yahoo did it again.. Thanks Al ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24143	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: WOW post-script.

The K-Line boxcars being sold for $19.95 are the exact same cars as the PRR memories cars in the same catalog for $9.95 with 027 trucks. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24144	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: New K-Line Cars

Well, you can certainly tell from the responses which people are the "I won't buy it unless it is American Flyer" guys. I am glad that most individuals are open-minded and see them for what they are: inexpensive S gauge cars for fun, plays, and kids that rival the "quality" of Flyonel for 40 percent of the cost. No wonder the "new" Flyonel cars are not selling. However, the operating car and accessories are going like hotcakes. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24145	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: The WOW thread

Todd Wagner was my contact at Lionel's Toy Fair booth. Chris Zizzo > Chris' comments square almost precisely with the discussions that I had with > Dick Maddox and Todd Wagner during the two Yorks last year (and that I > reported on this board at those times). Lionel is taking Flyer seriously at > last. Todd Wagner (a life long Lionel guy) has told me that he really "likes > the stuff" (meaning Flyer). The added choices coming to the S gauge > enthusiast are going to be worthwhile and exciting to many. > > RB >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24146	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: K-LINE S GAUGE CARS

The fact that the whole side is a replica of a Gilbert Car and number is an infringement. Put the same number on a different car. I went around with "L" over being in an American Flyer Club without their permission. They wanted us to credit LLC on everthing we printed. AF336 wrote: I don't believe you can copyright a number. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] K-LINE S GAUGE CARS Why do most of the cars pictured have A.C. Gilbert numbers? Check your Gilbert guides. "L" could have a field day with copyright infringement. S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 17 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:09:42 -0500 From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> Subject: k-line S gauge cars all on one page... Here they are, all of the cars on one page! Enjoy... http://myflyertrains.org/k-line.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24147	From: Tony Gonzalez	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] So what about this Rocket set???

Ever since Socialism, people just can't get used to this being a free market economy. Roy is right on, nothing wrong as long as not misrepresented in some way. Set appears to be in super condition. If you do not like the price, don't bid. Or perhaps we can have the government guarantee and control all prices. Disgusting! flyertony On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:00:52 -0600 Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> writes: > What's out of whack? > Looks like a buyer and a seller agreed on the price of an item. > Has nothing to do with its value, or worth, to someone else. > Roy Inman > > ---------- > > From: AF336 <AF336@...> > > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:29:57 -0800 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] So what about this Rocket set??? > > > > Isn't this a little out of whack too? > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3114481038&category=48 0 > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24148	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: So what about this...

No politics on the list, please, Mr. Gonzalez. We have been there and done that and it does not work. In fact, it almost destroyed the list once. This group's membership spans the entire political spectrum from Fascists to Anarchists, and we are here to talk about S Gauge trains. There are plenty of places to talk about politics on line, if that is what you want to do. This is not one of them. We have learned this lesson the hard way. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24149	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars

Joseph Haenn said: >Well, you can certainly tell from the responses which >people are the "I won't buy it unless it is American >Flyer" guys. I am glad that most individuals are >open-minded and see them for what they are: >inexpensive S gauge cars for fun, plays, and kids that >rival the "quality" of Flyonel for 40 percent of the cost. Joe: If you mean me, please don't paint with such a wide brush. This is not a case of Flyer chauvinism. I had high hopes for these K-Line cars. I like K-Line's approach to the hobby and I think they make some great stuff. I had these cars in my hands and I was very disappointed in what I saw. Fancy paint jobs aside, these boxcars are not an S product. They are not even a 3/16ths. scale product. They are eight inch 027 cars with S-trucks, like the Lionel horsecar. In fact, the horsecar looks better. I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth, but this isn't a gift, is it? It's a product that you have to spend money to acquire. Perhaps the appeal is that it's less money than other competing products. I found that it's twice as much as it should be. The exact carbodies are selling elsewhere in the same catalog for only ten dollars with 027 wheelsets. The 027 cars selling for $20 are of a greater variety and interest (Train 19) than these. What are we paying the other $10 for, the R&D needed to tool up S wheelsets? Where's the deduction for the 027 wheelsets they replace? We're paying maybe $12 a car for the trucks! This was simply an opportunity for K-Line to open a new market for the products generated with 50 year old, fully amortized tooling while taking advantage of a need in the S-market place for basic and inexpensive rolling stock. Unfortunately, this product does not fill any need. Industrial Rail 4 bay hoppers and cabooses for $21 were much more interesting and novel. How that company managed to tool up and produce at those prices is the mystery that needs solving. Apparently it can be done. Now that they have gone, this would be good tooling for K-Line to pick up. I will buy the 4 tank cars. I will take a pass on the ungainly boxes. It has nothing to do with Flyer. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24150	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars

In a message dated 2/19/2003 2:58:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes: > Well, you can certainly tell from the responses which people are the "I > won't buy it unless it is American Flyer" guys. I am glad that most > individuals are open-minded and see them for what they are: inexpensive S > gauge cars for fun, plays, and kids that rival the "quality" of Flyonel for > 40 percent of the cost. No wonder the "new" Flyonel cars are not selling. > However, the operating car and accessories > are going like hotcakes. > > Joe > A possible misinterpretation here, Joe. I understand your point about inexpensive rolling stock for kids, but the kid I am buying for is me(!). I wish to maintain the Gilbert feel for my traditional postwar style trains and use SHS rolling stock for Modern Era high rail trains. And, by the way, Flyonel is selling -- that's why Lionel is ramping up their offerings and doing a new steam engine, and why K-Line is attracted to the fold. I will reserve final judgment until I see them, but converted 0-27 rolling stock with a Marx feel is not going to do it for me in S gauge (or in 0 gauge for that matter). The next run of AF boxcars/reefers will be about $35 and the new crane car about $49 (example "street" prices) which are not ruinous. The great thing is that the choices at long last are rapidly expanding. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24151	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: re-painting K-Line's new stuff.....

I think the K-Line cars would be good for kit-bashing, repaints, whatever,... without ruining good ol' Flyer stuff. I will wait and see what these cars will look like in MY hand!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24152	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Kline rolling stock - WOW WOW WOW!

Perhaps as part of a product review, K-Line could be asked the background of the cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24153	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Track Layout Help Request

Jeff, you might try some of the Kalmbach publications on layout design. You might also try the 2002 SHS catalogue - as I recall, they had a few layout designs in the back. Below is a link to Yahoo Small Layout Design. You put your question to them. Yahoo also hosts Layout Design Special Interest Group, another group to whom you could put your question. Finally, think about Woodland Scenics foam track components. They can add interest and variety and are very easy to use (assuming, of course, you get a layout design you want). If you don't want to cut rail, you may have to put aside a few pieces. Regards. Paul S. <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-layout-design/"> Click here: Yahoo! Groups : small-layout-design</A> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24154	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chris Zizzo <busyboy@o...> wrote: > I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth, but this isn't a gift, is it? > It's a product that you have to spend money to acquire. Perhaps the appeal > is that it's less money than other competing products. I found that it's > twice as much as it should be. The exact carbodies are selling elsewhere in > the same catalog for only ten dollars with 027 wheelsets. The 027 cars > selling for $20 are of a greater variety and interest (Train 19) than these. > What are we paying the other $10 for, the R&D needed to tool up S wheelsets? > Where's the deduction for the 027 wheelsets they replace? We're paying > maybe $12 a car for the trucks! Just because K-Line sells O27 versions of these cars for $10 doesn't mean that they could price all of their Marx-derived cars (S included) at that price and make a profit. In most industries, it's not uncommon for companies to offer a "loss leader" product to get customers into the fold (even Gilbert did this with entry-level Atlantic sets). With the fierce competition in the O gauge market and K-Line's stated goal of being the industry leader in 5 years, I'm not surprised that they sell some products at a loss. But S is a different story. They don't need to sell the cars for $10 because they are already way below anything else you can buy. They're just running their business rationally. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24155	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: S Gauge disscussion on the OGR forum

Another S Gauge disscussion on the OGR forum. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=57360891 Seeing the light..? Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24156	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: BK turnouts

Hi Guys, I'm in the middle of building my first B & K turnout. It is a #6 open frog type, with .148, rail that I hope to grind into a high rail configuration. I've reset the guard rails. I have a question about the gapping of the closure rails to isolate the frog. I really don't want to. I want to replace the conducting throw rod with non conducting material, say styrene, and use JB Weld to hold it in place. Has anybody done this? Otherwise I'll have to gap the rails. So. what holds them in place? The instructions don't say, I guess spikes. But will spikes really hold the gapped closure rails? And if I put enough spikes in, I'm afraid of loosing too much flex in the rails. What do you think? Does anyone recall the Model Railroader, sometime in the 90's, that had an article on hand laying an H0 turnout? The answer might be there. Also, I have not received a digest since Monday the 17th, #1775. Is it my Yahoo or the snow storm or what? Thanks, Tom in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24157	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars

well,,,,, i would love to buy just flyer old stock,,,, i hate remakes of old stock,but new and different is good,,,,i am sure i will buy a few of them,,,,,just to spice up the layout a little,,,,,,,,,,lou. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New K-Line Cars > Joseph Haenn said: > >Well, you can certainly tell from the responses which > >people are the "I won't buy it unless it is American > >Flyer" guys. I am glad that most individuals are > >open-minded and see them for what they are: > >inexpensive S gauge cars for fun, plays, and kids that > >rival the "quality" of Flyonel for 40 percent of the cost. > > Joe: > If you mean me, please don't paint with such a wide brush. This is not a > case of Flyer chauvinism. I had high hopes for these K-Line cars. I like > K-Line's approach to the hobby and I think they make some great stuff. > > I had these cars in my hands and I was very disappointed in what I saw. > Fancy paint jobs aside, these boxcars are not an S product. They are not > even a 3/16ths. scale product. They are eight inch 027 cars with S-trucks, > like the Lionel horsecar. In fact, the horsecar looks better. > > I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth, but this isn't a gift, is it? > It's a product that you have to spend money to acquire. Perhaps the appeal > is that it's less money than other competing products. I found that it's > twice as much as it should be. The exact carbodies are selling elsewhere in > the same catalog for only ten dollars with 027 wheelsets. The 027 cars > selling for $20 are of a greater variety and interest (Train 19) than these. > What are we paying the other $10 for, the R&D needed to tool up S wheelsets? > Where's the deduction for the 027 wheelsets they replace? We're paying > maybe $12 a car for the trucks! > > This was simply an opportunity for K-Line to open a new market for the > products generated with 50 year old, fully amortized tooling while taking > advantage of a need in the S-market place for basic and inexpensive rolling > stock. Unfortunately, this product does not fill any need. > > Industrial Rail 4 bay hoppers and cabooses for $21 were much more > interesting and novel. How that company managed to tool up and produce at > those prices is the mystery that needs solving. Apparently it can be done. > Now that they have gone, this would be good tooling for K-Line to pick up. > > I will buy the 4 tank cars. I will take a pass on the ungainly boxes. It > has nothing to do with Flyer. > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24158	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: K-Line - Wow - Where?

Greetings, Well, I've got a grandson I'd like to get interested in trains. But the "don't touch that" approach has been detrimental. We were at a local train establishment and he pointed out a cabinet of - dare I say it - HO items. He said he liked those. I'm not sure if was the size or the items in the cabinet. I hope it was just the items. Back on track. I think these $19.95ish cars would be great for the OOPS, I dropped it! -generation. How many of us used our trains for something other than RR operations in our youth? (The S gauge track worked great to roll pool balls on!) (In those days I didn't know much about cleaning, lubing, etc, and didn't have much help from my dad.) Oops, on another siding. Well, I'd like to order some of these cars! But where do I go? And will there be any "special pricing" (hint hint!) Hmmm, I've got to review my Flyonel order and get it in. Thanks for all the observations on the K-line items. Posting all the cars on one paged really helped. Later, Bill PS: Any recent news on Dave Garber? ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24159	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars

Hey! If K-line wants to be a "industry leader" in 5 years, they should be bringing out these box cars within acceptable 1/64 parameters. I'm still leaning more towards postwar ACG trains as my focus,but I do by reproductions of ACG accessories. By the way, how many of us on the list would be scrambling to get a K-Line "Big Boy", if it came with their 1/64th body riding on a "S" chassis, already for our layouts? I know I would! This would put them 5 years ahead of the game NOW! Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <sgriggs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New K-Line Cars > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chris Zizzo <busyboy@o...> wrote: > > I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth, but this isn't a > gift, is it? > > It's a product that you have to spend money to acquire. Perhaps > the appeal > > is that it's less money than other competing products. I found > that it's > > twice as much as it should be. The exact carbodies are selling > elsewhere in > > the same catalog for only ten dollars with 027 wheelsets. The 027 > cars > > selling for $20 are of a greater variety and interest (Train 19) > than these. > > What are we paying the other $10 for, the R&D needed to tool up S > wheelsets? > > Where's the deduction for the 027 wheelsets they replace? We're > paying > > maybe $12 a car for the trucks! > > > Just because K-Line sells O27 versions of these cars for $10 doesn't > mean that they could price all of their Marx-derived cars (S > included) at that price and make a profit. In most industries, it's > not uncommon for companies to offer a "loss leader" product to get > customers into the fold (even Gilbert did this with entry-level > Atlantic sets). With the fierce competition in the O gauge market > and K-Line's stated goal of being the industry leader in 5 years, I'm > not surprised that they sell some products at a loss. But S is a > different story. They don't need to sell the cars for $10 because > they are already way below anything else you can buy. They're just > running their business rationally. > > Scott > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24160	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line - Wow - Where?

Remember K-Line collectors club members get them for 17.95....I am going to order most, if not, all as I am a member...I also noticed a comment in the "O" OGR site....Mth is racing to get into "S" TOOOOOOOOOt......Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24161	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: WOW (post script)

At a Greenberg Train show last December I spoke with a K-Line rep. about the size of the 3/16" articulated engine and asked why they couldn't come up with an S gauge set. He said as soon as they had all the components K-Line would market a set. These cars plus an engine would mesh with the track they already have. I just can't believe they would copy Gilbert right down to the numbers. Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24162	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories

For the accessories which both MTH and Lionel - Gabe for example - which is the better value, built better, etc... Anyone lined both up side by side? Anyone keeping track of current repo products? Finding just the AF stuff at the MTH web site is a pain. Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24163	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /MarxCars.jpg Uploaded by : chasesmithus <cesmith@...> Description : A couple of Marx cars converted to S 20 years ago. Boxcar is NOT the one in the new catalog. Red car is a Lionel O27 car. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/MarxCars.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, chasesmithus <cesmith@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24164	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1779

K-Line Cars Message 20 Chris, I've got to side with Joe on this one. Although I am not as knowledgeable as many of you in this group concerning the history, specs, and details of S Gauge, I would not be hesitant to buy a few of these cars, put 'em behind a 300 AC and let my grandchildren learn some old fashioned fun. Thanks for the time, Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24165	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: New K-Line Cars

Chris, Thanks for the detailed description of your experience with the S K-lines. I agree with your perspective, but to those who think they are great low cost high value performers - that's great too! You know that any CTT review of the S K-Lines will be a joke compared to your observations. I wish some magazine type (S Gaugian or CTT) would interview MTH and Kline about S product plans. Maybe you should volunteer to do the article :>) Keep gun slinging - Don't let 'em shout you down! Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24166	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe

ML, I have a Lionel Gabe and am not happy with it. It goes up to turn on the lights - after I messed with the solenoid settings screw and bent some metal, but won't go back up to turn lights off. Plan to rework on it in a coupler of weeks. Maybe that lights being on are taking up juice from the solenoid. The accessory is also connected to other street lights and towers and a beacon, so maybe I need a separate stronger power source. There are listing in the archives and the OGR group for recommendations to make Gabe work better. Does anyone have problems with the MTH Gabe? Only thing I noticed is the Lionel one is a lower market price in general than the MTH - maybe because the MTH works right out of the box! Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24167	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: MTH/Lionel accessories

I have used both of these makers with a Gabe and with a sawmill. The MTH Gabe seems to be the better of the two, but it too has drawbacks. I think the coils in both of these are too light and fragile. After my Grandson has pounded the MTH ceaselessly for 15 minutes or so it starts slowing down and skipping a step now and then. The Lionel seem to fail even sooner. It's just plain old electrical engineering I think. The coils heat up, the resistance goes up, less current to activate the action and failure on the horizon. As to the Lionel 772 water tower, what perverted troll dreamed up the amber water tube? Looks more like sewage than water. I was duped because the catalog shows it as a clear tube ALA the original Gilbert. I quickly sold mine and bought a "Gilbert Reproductions" model. Almost dead on to the original except the gray color of the base is slightly darker. There's my experience andHO Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24168	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: MTH/Lionel accessories

In Gabe, could I upgrade the wire for the coil winding with a better (thicker) wire coil to prevent overheat and produce more current and therefore stronger plunger action? What type of wire would be recommended - Gauge and such? Again, like the coal loader - final assembly by the customer required! Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: boss31@... [mailto:boss31@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:14 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] MTH/Lionel accessories I have used both of these makers with a Gabe and with a sawmill. The MTH Gabe seems to be the better of the two, but it too has drawbacks. I think the coils in both of these are too light and fragile. After my Grandson has pounded the MTH ceaselessly for 15 minutes or so it starts slowing down and skipping a step now and then. The Lionel seem to fail even sooner. It's just plain old electrical engineering I think. The coils heat up, the resistance goes up, less current to activate the action and failure on the horizon. As to the Lionel 772 water tower, what perverted troll dreamed up the amber water tube? Looks more like sewage than water. I was duped because the catalog shows it as a clear tube ALA the original Gilbert. I quickly sold mine and bought a "Gilbert Reproductions" model. Almost dead on to the original except the gray color of the base is slightly darker. There's my experience andHO Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24169	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Re: MTH/Lionel accessories - GR H20 Tower in action

Bossman, There was an earlier in the month post that expressed disappointment with the beer colored water in the Lionel Water Pump Tower. I sent him a picture of the Gilbert Reproduction one we used (clear water) and we have been very happy with it. I think the Gilbert Reproductions were made in the former Iron Curtain countries under private manufacture contract to Triple SSS. The product line is available at Triple SSS Supplies which has an Internet page. The Gilbert Reproductions cost a little more, but do seem better made. Maybe we can get them to do a Gabe that works without cheap solenoids! For those who wish to see the Gilbert Reproductions in action on the display set view the following: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/08_G.jpg Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: boss31@... [mailto:boss31@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 10:14 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] MTH/Lionel accessories I have used both of these makers with a Gabe and with a sawmill. The MTH Gabe seems to be the better of the two, but it too has drawbacks. I think the coils in both of these are too light and fragile. After my Grandson has pounded the MTH ceaselessly for 15 minutes or so it starts slowing down and skipping a step now and then. The Lionel seem to fail even sooner. It's just plain old electrical engineering I think. The coils heat up, the resistance goes up, less current to activate the action and failure on the horizon. As to the Lionel 772 water tower, what perverted troll dreamed up the amber water tube? Looks more like sewage than water. I was duped because the catalog shows it as a clear tube ALA the original Gilbert. I quickly sold mine and bought a "Gilbert Reproductions" model. Almost dead on to the original except the gray color of the base is slightly darker. There's my experience andHO Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24170	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Canadian news

The new issue of Canadian S Scale Quarterly has been transmitted to subscribers who have Internet access as an e-mail item -- not only the text but the illustrations, two of which are in color. This definitely brings S Canada into the 21st Century. The issue announces that subscription money should now be sent to the follow who keeps the mailing list, which will streamline CSSQ operation. On top of those two developments comes the news that Kaslo Distributing is producing a PS1 box car and Ridgehill Scale Models is preparing to release a Canadian National caboose. These will be the first items of S-scale rolling stock produced in Canada for more than 15 years. Tally ho the little red maple leaf! Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24171	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: New K-Line S Gauge

Chris Zizzo wrote: >I had high hopes for these K-Line cars. I like K-Line's approach to >the hobby and I think they make some great stuff. Me too, on both counts. That's why I resorted to converting a few K- Line (and Marx) plastic items some years ago. >Fancy paint jobs aside, these boxcars are not an S product. They are >not even a 3/16ths. scale product. They are eight inch 027 cars with >S-trucks, like the Lionel horsecar. Those observations are consistent with what I see in the catalogue pix. Durn it, I wonder why K-Line didn't simply use the Marx tooling that IS 3/16th" scale. Could that tooling be beyond repair? Could it be that it was easier to simply bang out a few thousand more 0-27 shells and slap S trucks on them, rather than dusting off more old molds? Were opening doors so important? Is a puzzlement... >This was simply an opportunity for K-Line to open a new market for >the products generated with 50 year old, fully amortized tooling >while taking advantage of a need in the S-market place for basic and >inexpensive rolling stock. Could be, and by doing such, K-Line would be taking a cue from Lionel's past practices with Flyonel S gauge (except for the "inexpensive" part.) It's ironic that K-Line would be doing so just as Lionel seems to be "waking up to S" as some have put it. >Unfortunately, this product does not fill any need. Well, it doesn't fit MY needs, from what I've seen so far. But I already have all the K-Line/Marx plastic I want via conversions of my own. Still, There are some wanting rugged stuff for kids. I only hope the price structure doesn't backfire against S, with folks thinking, "Shoot, I can get the same car in 0-27 for half what it costs in S. Why go with S?" Comparisons like that could taint the very "S feedback" that K-Line is trying to get. >I will take a pass on the ungainly boxes. Heh, apparently Chris is as sensitive about boxcar proportions as I am about highway trailer proportions. ;^) ;^) ;^D But I too will pass on the boxcars for the same reason. Already have 3 triple-dome tanks on good ol'e Gilbert sintered-iron trucks. Don't need any more. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24172	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: Just change the trucks, hmmmm

It seems to me that the Gilbert cars ran on 0 gauge trucks in 1940, same cars got S trucks in 1946, (and are basicly what "L" is selling now). As for the idea that this may be the same car that is on the 0 trucks (the new K-line stuff), there is the cost of the S trucks to look at. Lets have as many offerings as we can get on S trucks, and let the market make the choice. I think they will compete well with the "L" offerings, which are not the lookers that SHS puts out. And, the price looks more honest than what "L" wants for what they put out. Perhaps they can get into more stores, that is sure to help all of S. The store may even think about stocking SHS, or AM, perhaps PRS. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24173	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/19/2003
Subject: S is Number 3 gauge

http://www.worldrailfans.org/Forum/1997/Jun/25150521.shtml Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24174	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: K-Line

I purchased some K-Line box cars and am disapointed they seem to be using what Marx called the Scale Line. Guess they are saving money using cars for 027 as well. the big box cars are about the size of the Kusan Box car. I beleive the 3/16 AF size box car did not have opening doors. Now if they really want to sell some cars they need to find the Marx Cattle car since Lionel must not have the AF cattle car die. I beleive they came in two types for the 3/16 car. One had see though sizes and one did not. I have a large Cattle car and need a door for it. I don't know if it is as large as the box cars with opening doors. There work caboose might work as well. I enjoy running the Lionel hicube box car. I wanted to run a train of all non American Flyer just to show O Gauge people that they will buy 3/16 S scale cars just because they say Lionel. Still looking for a Lionel depressed center car. I guess they made one for S but I will not pay their prices any more. It seems to me that their small diesel, not the SW model might be 3/16 in size. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24175	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH/Lionel accessories

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 23:14:27 EST, boss31@... wrote: >bought a "Gilbert Reproductions" model. So is there another repo accessory maker out there...??? URL / Links? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24176	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Gilbert Repro's

Triple S Supplies can be found at http://www.ssstrains.com/ I have been dealing with Tom for several years and I'm well satisfied with his service and products. Right now he is featuring repro buttons on the web site. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24177	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: K-Line S- Cars

From the link James Sleeth provided, I found this: >Scales were not considered important by the toy makers (in the old days). Appearance >was all important and most makers produced models which did for >several gauges with different wheel spacings. Usually the model in >any gauge became the basis of a cheap range for the next gauge up. >Scale models were still a long way off! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24178	From: pieter_roos	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: S is Number 3 gauge

Is 'S' 2 5/8th inches between rails? The article is talking about very early American Flyer, well before Gilbert. Pieter --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@y...> wrote: > http://www.worldrailfans.org/Forum/1997/Jun/25150521.shtml > > > Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24179	From: pieter_roos	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S- Cars

In context, the article is talking about toy trains ca 1900 A.D. We might hope to have advanced somewhat since then. Pieter --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chris Zizzo <busyboy@o...> wrote: > From the link James Sleeth provided, I found this: > >Scales were not considered important by the toy makers (in the old days). > Appearance > >was all important and most makers produced models which did for > >several gauges with different wheel spacings. Usually the model in > >any gauge became the basis of a cheap range for the next gauge up. > >Scale models were still a long way off! > > Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24180	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S- Cars

CAN WE JUST FLY ALONG IN OUR WORLD OF MAKE BELIEVE THE GIRLS HAVE BARBIE AND THE WIZERED OF OZZ JUST LET ME PRETEND THAT MY FLYER IS WHAT I WANT IT TO BE AND I WILL BUY ANY SIZE THAT WILL FIT MY TRACK K!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24181	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Rewinding coil

- Greeting`S' - Steve asked a good question about rewinding coils. Can the wire size be increased? Let's look at what happens. Suppose there is a coil wound with #28 magnet wire which fills the available space. Further, it draws .5 A when connected to 15 V which means it has 30 ohms resis- tance and dissipates 7.5 W. Next, the winding is removed and replaced with one of #25 magnet wire which has twice the cross sectional area which means half as much resistance per foot. Because each turn now takes twice the area on the coil form, only half as many turns can be wound before the coil fills the available space. The length of wire used in this new coil is right at one/half that used in the original. Okay, half the resistance per foot and half the footage means that the new coil will have one-fourth the resistance of the original. Therefore the current increases four times to 2.0 A on 15 V and the power dissipated increases abut four times to near 30 W (same as a good, small soldering iron). Ignoring inductance, power is computed as P = I * I / R. Therefore the rewound coil will get much hotter. Two of the good members of Atlantic Coast S Gaugers approached the accessory coil overheating problem a different way. Calvin and Ted are trying time-delay relays which inhibit operation of the device more often than once every 20 seconds or so. The result is that Gabe may climb to the top once, slide down, and must stand for 15 seconds before another ascent. Or the barrel loader may load four barrels, then take a 30 second break. Hope this helps. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24182	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: MTH Accessories

Does anyone have problems with the MTH Gabe I have been having problems with my MTH Gabe and coal Loader. When I put a screw through the coal loader button, a piece of something green fell out and it quit working. After opening the button up I found that the green piece was off of the circuit board and had separated the piece bringing current to the button. As far as Gabe goes, He definitely needs his own power source, 16 to 18 volts seems to work best for mine. Recently though, the solenoid will click, but Gabe falls a rung instead of climbing the rung. Probably needs some kind of adjustment. If I had to do it over, I think I would go with the Flyonel Gabe because of the automatic on/off of the lights. Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24183	From: flyer trains	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S- Cars

What is wrong with you people!!! In stead of all this complaining , you should all be writing a thank you letter to the people at K-Line and if you buy anything from them, then, but only then you may have the right to suggest to them what you would like to see next. They are the ones who are putting the money, time, and investment out, not you! ----- Original Message ----- From: <pieter_roos@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: K-Line S- Cars > In context, the article is talking about toy trains ca 1900 A.D. We > might hope to have advanced somewhat since then. > > Pieter > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chris Zizzo <busyboy@o...> wrote: > > From the link James Sleeth provided, I found this: > > >Scales were not considered important by the toy makers (in the > old days). > > Appearance > > >was all important and most makers produced models which > did for > > >several gauges with different wheel spacings. Usually the > model in > > >any gauge became the basis of a cheap range for the next > gauge up. > > >Scale models were still a long way off! > > > > Chris Zizzo > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24184	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe

I haven't had any problems with my Lionel Gabe,......as of yet!! Future will tell!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24185	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe

In a message dated 2/20/2003 12:18:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, bassflyer@... writes: > I haven't had any problems with my Lionel Gabe,......as of yet!! > Future will tell!! > My 44 year old Gilbert Gabe is still kicking superbly. :-) RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24186	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: WOW - Did I start all this? !

This is a very tuff audience! Probably no S offering is going to please everyone. Some guys wanted inexpensive stuff that could be played with by kids. K-line is now offering that. An inexpensive and attractive S starter set could be a reality soon. It will not be a model train set, but maybe a very nice "toy" train set. Some are now unhappy that the new K-line cars are not more like S-helper or American Models. K-line used Marx molds. That kept the price down to $20. Had they made new molds the price would have been much higher. That would not have gone over well, again. But, it is hard to buy even a pair of trucks for less than $10! S-helper and American Models are doing a fine job making scale models. Lionel is offering cars made with original Gilbert molds with the trademarked American Flyer name on them. Do we need K-line to make more pricey scale models, or do we need them to make toys that can be handled by children of all ages without parts breaking off? For the most part our "S Gauge" accessories are O gauge or larger, just like Gilbert made them. The toys that K-line is offering are no more out of scale than a Mystic Station or a 752 coal loader! Most of us are not collecting and operating scale layouts. We are playing with toys. Toys that in many cases that are not the correct size, just as much of the Gilbert stuff was not the correct scale. Gilbert made toys, wonderful toys! Most of us are playing with toy trains. We need to deal with it. The S scale guys are on a different list, for the most part. You won't catch them putting a Mystic station or a cattle pen on their scale layout! The Timken car is attractive to me, though I suspect it may be too big. I would like to see one and compare. My mind is open though, to looking at the actual piece, and giving it a chance, seeing what I can make of it. The duplication of original Gilbert cars is perhaps being overdone, but if you are going to give them to a child to play with, you perhaps do not want to turn them loose with a real Gilbert Penn Salt tanker! The K-line cars may not look right next to a Gilbert one, but my guess is they will be fine toys for a 6 years old to play with, just as our beloved American Flyer cars were decades ago. Some older kids may want a few of them too. :-) I am looking at the Penn Salt and Hooker tankers thinking they might look just fine running on my layout. (Were they to make a car that said "Hershey's Chocolate" on it, you can be sure that I would buy it!) I for one appreciate the new offerings by Lionel, K-line and others. Will I buy all their stuff, No. But I have bought some and will continue to do so. If you want "real American Flyer" there is plenty of it out there. As the Baby Boomers age and attics continue to be cleaned out, there will be more and more of it. There is and will continue to be plenty of real Gilbert American Flyer. But it seems to me, that everytime someone tries to give us some of the S stuff we have been asking for, we kill the fruit on the vine, without giving it a chance to see what it can perhaps become. These manufacturers invest and risk their time and money to test the waters with S offerings, and we slap them down, and then later complain about how few companies support S gauge.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24187	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: WOW - Did I start all this? !

Chuck, I agree with you 100%, you said it good. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] WOW - Did I start all this? ! > This is a very tuff audience! Probably no S offering is going to please > everyone. Some guys wanted inexpensive stuff that could be played with > by kids. K-line is now offering that. An inexpensive and attractive S > starter set could be a reality soon. It will not be a model train set, > but maybe a very nice "toy" train set. > > Some are now unhappy that the new K-line cars are not more like S-helper > or American Models. K-line used Marx molds. That kept the price down to > $20. Had they made new molds the price would have been much higher. That > would not have gone over well, again. But, it is hard to buy even a pair > of trucks for less than $10! > > S-helper and American Models are doing a fine job making scale models. > Lionel is offering cars made with original Gilbert molds with the > trademarked American Flyer name on them. Do we need K-line to make more > pricey scale models, or do we need them to make toys that can be handled > by children of all ages without parts breaking off? > > For the most part our "S Gauge" accessories are O gauge or larger, just > like Gilbert made them. The toys that K-line is offering are no more out > of scale than a Mystic Station or a 752 coal loader! > > Most of us are not collecting and operating scale layouts. We are > playing with toys. Toys that in many cases that are not the correct > size, just as much of the Gilbert stuff was not the correct scale. > Gilbert made toys, wonderful toys! Most of us are playing with toy > trains. We need to deal with it. The S scale guys are on a different > list, for the most part. You won't catch them putting a Mystic station > or a cattle pen on their scale layout! > > The Timken car is attractive to me, though I suspect it may be too big. > I would like to see one and compare. My mind is open though, to looking > at the actual piece, and giving it a chance, seeing what I can make of > it. The duplication of original Gilbert cars is perhaps being overdone, > but if you are going to give them to a child to play with, you perhaps > do not want to turn them loose with a real Gilbert Penn Salt tanker! > > The K-line cars may not look right next to a Gilbert one, but my guess > is they will be fine toys for a 6 years old to play with, just as our > beloved American Flyer cars were decades ago. Some older kids may want a > few of them too. :-) I am looking at the Penn Salt and Hooker tankers > thinking they might look just fine running on my layout. (Were they to > make a car that said "Hershey's Chocolate" on it, you can be sure that I > would buy it!) > > I for one appreciate the new offerings by Lionel, K-line and others. > Will I buy all their stuff, No. But I have bought some and will continue > to do so. If you want "real American Flyer" there is plenty of it out > there. As the Baby Boomers age and attics continue to be cleaned out, > there will be more and more of it. There is and will continue to be > plenty of real Gilbert American Flyer. > > But it seems to me, that everytime someone tries to give us some of the > S stuff we have been asking for, we kill the fruit on the vine, without > giving it a chance to see what it can perhaps become. These > manufacturers invest and risk their time and money to test the waters > with S offerings, and we slap them down, and then later complain about > how few companies support S gauge. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24188	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: WOW - Did I start all this? !

In a message dated 2/20/2003 1:49:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, myflyertrains@... writes: > But it seems to me, that everytime someone tries to give us some of the > S stuff we have been asking for, we kill the fruit on the vine, without > giving it a chance to see what it can perhaps become. These > manufacturers invest and risk their time and money to test the waters > with S offerings, and we slap them down, and then later complain about > how few companies support S gauge. > The same sort of flack flies all of the time in the 0 gauge marketplace. It doesn't stop Lionel, MTH, Weaver, K-Line, etc. from introducing still more new stuff. I wouldn't give it any mind. :-) RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24189	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: WOW - Did I start all this? !

Well said. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Harrington [mailto:myflyertrains@...] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:48 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] WOW - Did I start all this? ! This is a very tuff audience! Probably no S offering is going to please everyone. Some guys wanted inexpensive stuff that could be played with by kids. K-line is now offering that. An inexpensive and attractive S starter set could be a reality soon. It will not be a model train set, but maybe a very nice "toy" train set. Some are now unhappy that the new K-line cars are not more like S-helper or American Models. K-line used Marx molds. That kept the price down to $20. Had they made new molds the price would have been much higher. That would not have gone over well, again. But, it is hard to buy even a pair of trucks for less than $10! S-helper and American Models are doing a fine job making scale models. Lionel is offering cars made with original Gilbert molds with the trademarked American Flyer name on them. Do we need K-line to make more pricey scale models, or do we need them to make toys that can be handled by children of all ages without parts breaking off? For the most part our "S Gauge" accessories are O gauge or larger, just like Gilbert made them. The toys that K-line is offering are no more out of scale than a Mystic Station or a 752 coal loader! Most of us are not collecting and operating scale layouts. We are playing with toys. Toys that in many cases that are not the correct size, just as much of the Gilbert stuff was not the correct scale. Gilbert made toys, wonderful toys! Most of us are playing with toy trains. We need to deal with it. The S scale guys are on a different list, for the most part. You won't catch them putting a Mystic station or a cattle pen on their scale layout! The Timken car is attractive to me, though I suspect it may be too big. I would like to see one and compare. My mind is open though, to looking at the actual piece, and giving it a chance, seeing what I can make of it. The duplication of original Gilbert cars is perhaps being overdone, but if you are going to give them to a child to play with, you perhaps do not want to turn them loose with a real Gilbert Penn Salt tanker! The K-line cars may not look right next to a Gilbert one, but my guess is they will be fine toys for a 6 years old to play with, just as our beloved American Flyer cars were decades ago. Some older kids may want a few of them too. :-) I am looking at the Penn Salt and Hooker tankers thinking they might look just fine running on my layout. (Were they to make a car that said "Hershey's Chocolate" on it, you can be sure that I would buy it!) I for one appreciate the new offerings by Lionel, K-line and others. Will I buy all their stuff, No. But I have bought some and will continue to do so. If you want "real American Flyer" there is plenty of it out there. As the Baby Boomers age and attics continue to be cleaned out, there will be more and more of it. There is and will continue to be plenty of real Gilbert American Flyer. But it seems to me, that everytime someone tries to give us some of the S stuff we have been asking for, we kill the fruit on the vine, without giving it a chance to see what it can perhaps become. These manufacturers invest and risk their time and money to test the waters with S offerings, and we slap them down, and then later complain about how few companies support S gauge. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ + +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24190	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /ModSwitch.jpg Uploaded by : chasesmithus <cesmith@...> Description : Flyer switch cut down for tighter track spacing. 2 train operation preserved. Works for manual (shown) and electric. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ModSwitch.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, chasesmithus <cesmith@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24191	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Lets really think!!!!

First the "o" guagers have there "O" guage......Which is really 1/4" or 1/48 scale..unless you are into 17/64"....Except the locos and cars that are built to run on "o" track but are 0-27, 1/64 on "o" trucks, or "O" scale at 1/4" or 17/64" ETC.....ETC Now don't forget the"g" people....They have "G" guage track......But the scales are 1/29, 1/20, 1/24 ETC....ETC.. If we really remember...AF was "o" originally...then "s"...But we use "o" to "ho" plasticville..."o" size accessories....Some "s" could be used with "g"....Think of the "o" flagman!!!! Are any trains really built to a constant scale? They built what looks right... Bottom line...THEY ARE TOYS....My Airport is only going to have a 12" runway.....but who cares... If I want true scale I will look at Brass...Its probly off somewhere......All I want is nice stuff, and at A reasonable price....If all the companies see the sales go up with the present offerings.....then dropping with all the reruns it will cause them to do other things....I myself will spring for the 280.00 and order them all.... At least "S" IS GROWING!!!!!!!!!! WOW Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24192	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH/Lionel accessories

S-Gaugers Thanks for the all the pointers regarding Gabe and coil winding issues... Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24193	From: AF336	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: SF 21927

Through a twist of fate (not necessarly good from my wife's perspective) I have two AF9127's. They are both pretty nice. One came as a set with the 3 4 digit passenger cars the other I bought separatly. I always thought this engine was a single motor 2 position reverse chassis. The one that came with the cars is a dual motor w/2 position reverse. Did this set really come with a dual motor? Let me state up front that I don't consider it to be a communist plot that they are different. <G> MK

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24194	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Rewinding coil

Rhett, Your post was very interesting analysis to my question regarding the coil. You analysis is correct, the classical tradeoff is heat vs. power (thermodynamics even equates the 2). But my Gabe is lacking power (so besides a separate 18W dedicated source - which some in the group have successfully tried) - so is there a tradeoff point for the wire size that gets more power but will not burn out. Your discussion uses twice the cross sectional area, that produces 4 times current and heat (power). I think this is over kill regarding a rewiring to get a little more power. I am guessing by the behavior of the device (since it partially works to get up and the light the lights) might only need 15 % more power to get over the problem. I could be wrong. I don't have it in front of me (at a remote place) but what power does the 4 bulbs in it take?). I hear in the commercial R & D world, that most EE's are mostly digital folks and finding good analog folks is becoming difficult. You think MTH and Lionel could have designed this better (the coil) using analog theoretical modeling analysis (I know it's a toy) or even done a more empirical approach (like try using it) before shipping. But I guess the good folks at Lionel don't even understand analog wave phasing - see postings on the Lionel Transformer power bricks. Although, I personally prefer the Lionel modular approach to power vs. MTH. The timeout mechanism is a good idea to prevent junior from working Gabe to exhaustion! Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24195	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Hydrocal B

Hi Guys, I have been using woodland scenics lightweight hydrocal for rock molds. I have called around the City of Dayton trying to locate the product in bulk. I found a place that carries hydrocal B. Is anyone familiar with this hydrocal versus the woodland scenics lightweight hydrocal? The sales person said he gets a lot of model railroaders in his store. And price? 20 dollars and some change for 100# bag. Compared to even 5.49 for a 2# box of woodlands. I have paid up to 8.49 a box at the local hobby shop. Thanks for help and suggestions. Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24196	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: GLUE info from another list

Trying to find a source of a compariosn of current adhesives and a guide to which ones work with dissimilar materials (Delrin to styrene as an example). Try this link for a list of magazine articles: http://index.mrmag.com/tm.exe?opt=S&sort=D&output=3&cmdtext=%22ADHESIVE%22 It should run from the most recent (very recent), back to 1966. Note that a couple of the articles are by Mike Rose. If you go here http://www.mrhobby.com/ and click on the first link below his contact information, you can get the story on the Cyanopoxy System. I think it'll attach pretty much anything to pretty much anything else. In an effort to become more "sophisticated" in assembling things, I got some Cyanopoxy, *and* various applicators for applying *small* amounts of adhesive. Haven't stuck myself to anything for awhile now. (Well, okay, maybe that's the nitrile gloves.<G>) Hope this helps. -- Doug C. "Honey, I need to borrow your nail polish remover again!" Message 3 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:32:36 -0500 From: "Andrew S. Miller" <asmiller@...> Subject: Re: Adhesive compariosn chart or guide Try: http://www.thistothat.com/ -- Regards, Andy Miller Message 5 From: Tom Persoon Subject: Re: Adhesive comparison chart or guide Dennis, IIRC, there was a chart or article published in Model Railroader a few years ago. There are basically 3 kinds of adhesives for modelers use: Solvent cements, such as Tenax 7R and Plasticweld. These work by the solvent or solvent mixture dissolving the surface of the materials to be joined. Then the solvent evaporates and the two materials are bonded by an "intermingling" of the molecules at the surface. Tenax is pure solvent and Plasticweld contains a small percentage of a filler. They will work only on materials that will be dissolved by the respective solvents. Generally, they work only on plastics that contain one or more of the "ABS" polymers - Acrylonitrile, Butadiene, Styrene. Delrin is a polyacetal so would not likely be dissolved by the common solvent cements. Solvent-based adhesives, such as Walthers Goo and other hobby cements. These contain an adhesive material dissolved in a solvent. When applied, the solvent evaporates and leaves the adhesive which then binds the materials. These adhesives are generally good for dissimilar materials. They have two advantages: 1)The adhesives act as a filler, so the surfaces to be bonded to not need to be perfectly smooth or matched. 2) The adhesives tend to be flexible so the bonds can withstand a shock without breaking. There are two disadvantages. 1) If one of the substances being joined is attacked by the solvent, it will be damaged by the adhesive. 2) The bonds are not as strong as with polymer adhesives (see below). Polymer adhesives include alpha-cyanoacrylate (ACC) and epoxies. These work because a chemical reaction occurs in the adhesive that causes it to harden and bond to surfaces. In the case of ACC, the reaction is initiated by water vapor in the air or on a surface (that's why they stick to your fingers so fast). With epoxies, the reaction starts when the two components of the epoxy are mixed. In both cases, the adhesive needs some time to "set". Most ACCs set within a matter of seconds, while epoxies can take anywhere from 5 minutes to 24 hours. Polymer adhesives generally work well with dissimilar materials and usually won't damage the material because they contain no solvents. Another advantage to polymer adhesives is that the bonds are stronger than those of solvent-based adhesives. But, they have disadvantages, too. 1) The bonds are brittle and cannot take strong shocks. Some polymer bonds become more brittle with time. 2) ACC requires very flat surfaces to bond well (although the gel-types get around this somewhat). 3) Epoxies require more surface area to form a good bond. Bottom line - there is no universal adhesive, you have to choose the right one for the job based on the materials, required bond strength, and flatness of surfaces to be joined. For Delrin to styrene, I'd probably choose ACC if the parts are small and epoxy if the pieces are large. Delrin was designed to be a metal substitute. It is solvent resistant (hence solvent cements won't work). For more on delrin see: http://heritage.dupont.com/floater/fl_delrin/floater.shtml http://www.interstateplastics.com/meta/fmdel.htm ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24197	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: rewinding coil

The way to go when substituting wire of different sizes is to find a table with the resistance per foot of each AWG size of copper wire. Then you know where you are when you go to substitute with different sizes. I am still learning about this stuff. but that believe the magnetic pull depends on the number of turns in the coil. The resistance depends on the number of feet of wire and the size of the wire. Then you have to consider how to fit a sufficient number of turns into the available space in the coil housing. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24198	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:17:34 EST, rbubeck327@... wrote: >My 44 year old Gilbert Gabe is still kicking superbly. :-) Yea, and how many years have you had it? I'd like to streach $1000 a lot further than one Gabe for our planned 22' x 28' layout. Those of us at age 26 without a disposable income but still have the AF bug have to make some choices. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24199	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: "Roar Of The Rails" oline!

I am happy to be able to offer for your online inspection the 1944 Gilbert publication, "Roar Of The Rails" The world was at war, and unlike the first world war, kids had to do without new trains. This publication focused on prototype railroads, and at the same time incouraged kids to buy war bonds and wait for the day that American Flyer Trains would be available again. I am told this is a very rare Gilbert publication, and I was fortunate to be able to get one in nearly new condition for scanning. A reminder that when you get to the index page with the thumbnails, clicking on a thumbnail gives you a single page view, while clicking on the labels below the thumbnails, gives you the two page view, like the book was laying open on your desk. The 1948 consumer catalog and the 1958 Toy Catalog were also posted today. My thanks to Nick Colleran for these. Enjoy! http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24200	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe

In a message dated 2/20/03 6:53:18 PM, pianoman@... writes: << >My 44 year old Gilbert Gabe is still kicking superbly. :-) Yea, and how many years have you had it? I'd like to stretch $1000 a lot further than one Gabe for our planned 22' x 28' layout. Those of us at age 26 without a disposable income but still have the AF bug have to make some choices. Michael >> Ah, come on Michael. Where's your sense of humor? <vbg> Although I welcome the new repros for their affordability, in all candor it must be admitted that there are those of us who devoutly believe that Gilbert (as in A. C. of New Haven, Conn.) did it first and did it the best (Right, Tom? <g> ). Amen. RB RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24201	From: John Foley	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Allentown Train Show

Hi Folks Someone ask me the other day if any tables were left over from the ones I had available. I told this fellow they were gone.Well one fellow backed out so I have one. So If interested contact me off line at foley164@... or call 570 622 3413. The show is this weekend. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24202	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: SF 21927

In a message dated 2/20/03 3:31:56 PM, AF336@... writes: << I have two AF 21927's. They are both pretty nice. One came as a set with the 3 4 digit passenger cars the other I bought separately. I always thought this engine was a single motor 2 position reverse chassis. The one that came with the cars is a dual motor w/2 position reverse. Did this set really come with a dual motor? >> To the best of my knowledge 21927s came with one motor in the REAR power truck and a 2 position reverse unit. It is a late period PA drive truck with black nylon axle gears. Unless your odd sample is traceable (i.e., one knows its original owner and full history), I would suspect a chassis swap somewhere in the last 40 years. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24203	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: K-Line WOW cars

If you all want to be WOWed, be WOWed. Buy them all. (BTW, it's gonna cost you $320, not $280). I never said to not buy them. I never said that it wasn't great that another company got into S. I simply reviewed them. I saw the cars up close, I handled them, I talked with the sales people and I compared them to other products from the same company as well as those of other companies. That's what a review is. You don't have to agree. You don't have to get mad. You can go to the movie that got panned by all the reviewers and make up your own mind anyway. I said that after inspecting these products up close, I would choose to not buy the boxcars, though I will buy the tank cars. I gave reasons why. That's it. If you don't want future reviews of products that I come across months before their release, tell me now, in adult terms and not in whiny flames, and I won't write them up. I'll just make private notes for my own reference and leave you to your own devices. Will that be OK with all of you? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24204	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions

S-Gaugers, Warning! - This posting is a little long, but I tried to be as informative as possible to get educated feedback. As usual, any input, opinions, experience, or suggestions (even flames and jokes) on the following topics would be welcome. Topic: This posting has to deal with * A Gilbert American Flyer store display set * Questions on how to ship such a set * How Gilbert originally shipped, assembled and stored such store display sets * If its not feasible, then best way to market such a set * URL pictures to the display set to educate responders History: At my parents house in Rochester NY is a1957 AF Christmas store display set that my father bought on Christmas Eve of that year from a downtown department store (Sibley's). I restored it to operable condition in the mid 70's and then headed off to college, graduated and settled out of NYS. Currently, I am in Texas (DFW for last 11 years) for most of my career. "Moving on up...going to a deluxe apartment in the sky...": My parents are seniors that are going to change their lifestyle by moving to easier living in an apartment tower and therefore are planning to sell their house. The train set is in a very nice attic scenario at their long time residence and is used by my father to occasionally entertain his grandchildren. We had it under lock and key, and most grandchildren live outside his hometown, so he would operate it with them on their occasional visits. The problem: He does not plan to take the set with him when he down sizes his dwelling and has offered it to me since I restored it years ago, have kept it running during infrequent holiday visits and have a hobby interest in collecting toy trains that developed out of years of playing with the set as a child. Questions: Have any of you ever shipped or know of anyone who has shipped a train set like this across country? Are there special folks who move such things or is it just major movers such as Allied or Atlas that you would use? I wonder how Gilbert shipped these things to department stores to display for Christmas. Did the stores set up and store these display sets or did the sales reps? What was done with the sets in off-season or if they didn't sell? I do know he told me he offered the store half price at 3:00 PM Christmas eve day - if they would deliver it that day. They delivered it at 6:00 PM and he finished setting it up that Christmas eve. So, I have to believe that the store was not motivated to store the set in the off season or did it go back to Gilbert? The set splits in half (bolted), has removable legs and has the following dimensions: 4.5' X 9' Of course the equipment on the set (including the tunnel) can be taken off, boxed and shipped separately. The track would be left on the top since it is secure to the board plywood board. I am even considering removing the set sides (nailed on) to just ship the plywood set top with track. The original sides or new ones could be put back on when the set is re-set up. I'm not sure if there any unforeseen issues with such an approach.(?) I currently don't have the room to operate it (it would stay stored for awhile). I'm in a situation whereby I wouldn't have room for about a few more years. I think we've all been there at one time or another - no cellars and no finished stand up attics in Texas! If logistically moving it, the cost of moving it is too much or my current lack of space situation to store it or run it is not feasible, we will also contemplating selling it. If that is what it unfortunately comes down too - What would be the most effective way to market such a set? I don't think a moving garage sale is the way to go... but I don't know. I'm going up during spring break in early March to discuss alternatives for the set with my father. Pictures: Our friend Paul Yorke and the S-Scalers let me use their photo galley at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album80 See the album named Gilbert AF Store Display Set Direct Look: Pick the right door to see the Gilbert Flyer Store display Set - One, two or three: :>) http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/02_G.jpg http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/03_G.jpg <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/04_G.jpg <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/05_G.jpg <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/06_G.jpg <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/07_G.jpg <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/08_G.jpg <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/09_G.jpg <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/10_G.jpg As usual, any input, opinions, experience, or suggestions on the above topics would be welcome. Thank You, Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24205	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: MTH vs Lionel Repo Accessories - Gabe

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:55:07 EST, rbubeck327@... wrote: >Ah, come on Michael. Where's your sense of humor? <vbg> Over worked, under railroaded! <g> And a little sick of hearing how much $ AF trains went for 30 years ago... I'm just too late. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24206	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions

1. remove everything you can and ship it in your car as you go home. 2. seperate the layout into 2 pieces...stand on edge...face to face with space in between...small...nail 1/4" plywood to make a box...fill space with peanuts or paper before nailing on the last piece... 3. contact local shippers...try Greyhound...get prices first.. 4. put it on the net.... I think this is the way Gilbert shipped these by Railroad Express.. Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24207	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line WOW cars

Chris...17.95 each....for members...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line WOW cars > If you all want to be WOWed, be WOWed. Buy them all. (BTW, it's gonna cost > you $320, not $280). > > I never said to not buy them. I never said that it wasn't great that > another company got into S. I simply reviewed them. I saw the cars up > close, I handled them, I talked with the sales people and I compared them to > other products from the same company as well as those of other companies. > That's what a review is. You don't have to agree. You don't have to get > mad. You can go to the movie that got panned by all the reviewers and make > up your own mind anyway. I said that after inspecting these products up > close, I would choose to not buy the boxcars, though I will buy the tank > cars. I gave reasons why. That's it. > > If you don't want future reviews of products that I come across months > before their release, tell me now, in adult terms and not in whiny flames, > and I won't write them up. I'll just make private notes for my own > reference and leave you to your own devices. Will that be OK with all of > you? > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24208	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions

Aw, Scott... You don't want that old Flyer stuff. I'll give you $200 for it and come and get it.....{:>) Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24209	From: afjeff_56	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Right On!!!!! Wow

I say right on!!! to K-Line for stepping up to the plate. If more manufactures jump in to S Gauge look where will be sitting. We will run lionel O gauge out of the market. I think they are a nice addition to all in S thats coming out now. I am eager to pick some up. Also what a price!!! Jeff S...... <afjeff56> What is wrong with you people!!! In stead of all this complaining , you should all be writing a thank you letter to the people at K-Line and if you buy anything from them, then, but only then you may have the right to suggest to them what you would like to see next. They are the ones who are putting the money, time, and investment out, not you!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24210	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions

Keith, In my younger salad days - maybe would do... But now my professional and life commitments make such a trip not possible... Those darn Jets that I use for business travel I guess just spoiled me... If you fly some - that should give you a smile... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: keith kuzma [mailto:keefer1_us@...] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:31 PM To: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions You have some nice stuff there.I would fly home and rent the smallest uhaul it would fit in and bring it to texas.Keith --- Scott Davidson <scottdee25@...> wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24211	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions

Steve, The house is an extremely tall English Tudor... the attic was really originally a finished off servant's quarters... If you saw the stairs you had to deal with to get to the top... you'd be tired just walking it... Not there much, but when I am I get tired just looking at all the stairs... Unless your local to Rochester and have kids there... they can sometimes be useful... but then the kids would report you for child abuse if asked them to help move something... But they do have an antique pool table in the billards room in the basement they are looking to get rid off... the 200 and get it would "Fly" there... but the 2 slate pieces are about 450 lbs a piece... Later, Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Boss31@... [mailto:Boss31@...] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:46 PM To: scottdee25@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions Aw, Scott... You don't want that old Flyer stuff. I'll give you $200 for it and come and get it.....{:>) Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24212	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions

Scott, For shipping try Craters and Freighters, http://www.cratersandfreighters.com/factsheet.htm They specialize in shipping large items that are too big to go UPS, etc. As the name indicates, they will come to your location to pack and crate things. They have a good reputation for moving antiques and such. I have no idea how expensive they are, but I think they provide free price quotes so it wouldn't hurt to find out. This is an interesting dilemma you have....please post on the list and let us know how it turns out! Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions > > S-Gaugers, > > Warning! - This posting is a little long, but I tried to be as > informative as possible to get educated feedback. > As usual, any input, opinions, experience, or suggestions (even flames > and jokes) on the following topics would be welcome. > > Topic: This posting has to deal with > * A Gilbert American Flyer store display set > * Questions on how to ship such a set > * How Gilbert originally shipped, assembled and stored such store > display sets > * If its not feasible, then best way to market such a set > * URL pictures to the display set to educate responders > > History: > At my parents house in Rochester NY is a1957 AF Christmas store display > set that my father bought on Christmas Eve of that year from a downtown > department store (Sibley's). I restored it to operable condition in the > mid 70's and then headed off to college, graduated and settled out of > NYS. Currently, I am in Texas (DFW for last 11 years) for most of my > career. > > "Moving on up...going to a deluxe apartment in the sky...": > My parents are seniors that are going to change their lifestyle by > moving to easier living in an apartment tower and therefore are planning > to sell their house. The train set is in a very nice attic scenario at > their long time residence and is used by my father to occasionally > entertain his grandchildren. We had it under lock and key, and most > grandchildren live outside his hometown, so he would operate it with > them on their occasional visits. > > The problem: > He does not plan to take the set with him when he down sizes his > dwelling and has offered it to me since I restored it years ago, have > kept it running during infrequent holiday visits and have a hobby > interest in collecting toy trains that developed out of years of playing > with the set as a child. > > Questions: > Have any of you ever shipped or know of anyone who has shipped a train > set like this across country? > Are there special folks who move such things or is it just major movers > such as Allied or Atlas that you would use? > > I wonder how Gilbert shipped these things to department stores to > display for Christmas. > Did the stores set up and store these display sets or did the sales > reps? > What was done with the sets in off-season or if they didn't sell? > > I do know he told me he offered the store half price at 3:00 PM > Christmas eve day - if they would deliver it that day. They delivered > it at 6:00 PM and he finished setting it up that Christmas eve. So, I > have to believe that the store was not motivated to store the set in the > off season or did it go back to Gilbert? > > The set splits in half (bolted), has removable legs and has the > following dimensions: 4.5' X 9' > Of course the equipment on the set (including the tunnel) can be taken > off, boxed and shipped separately. > The track would be left on the top since it is secure to the board > plywood board. > > I am even considering removing the set sides (nailed on) to just ship > the plywood set top with track. > The original sides or new ones could be put back on when the set is > re-set up. > I'm not sure if there any unforeseen issues with such an approach.(?) > > I currently don't have the room to operate it (it would stay stored for > awhile). I'm in a situation whereby I wouldn't have room for about a > few more years. I think we've all been there at one time or another - > no cellars and no finished stand up attics in Texas! > > If logistically moving it, the cost of moving it is too much or my > current lack of space situation to store it or run it is not feasible, > we will also contemplating selling it. If that is what it unfortunately > comes down too - What would be the most effective way to market such a > set? I don't think a moving garage sale is the way to go... but I don't > know. > > I'm going up during spring break in early March to discuss alternatives > for the set with my father. > > Pictures: > Our friend Paul Yorke and the S-Scalers let me use their photo galley > at: > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album80 > See the album named Gilbert AF Store Display Set > > Direct Look: > Pick the right door to see the Gilbert Flyer Store display Set - One, > two or three: :>) > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/02_G.jpg > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/03_G.jpg > <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/04_G.jpg > <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/05_G.jpg > <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/06_G.jpg > <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/07_G.jpg > <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/08_G.jpg > <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/09_G.jpg > <http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/01_G.jpg> > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums/album80/10_G.jpg > > As usual, any input, opinions, experience, or suggestions on the above > topics would be welcome. > > Thank You, > Scott Dee > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24213	From: John G	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: rewinding accessory coil

Before I would go through the trouble of redesigning and rewinding a coil, I would try to see if some mechanical problem is the trouble. In my Lionel Gabe, the pawls that held the locking gear in place were sticking (probably riveted a little too tight). Higher voltage helped, but only because of the impact of the extra force tended to rattle the pesky pawls loose. In the end, I glued small weights on each pawl & it works fine now even on a small transformer. Regarding coil force - In theory, the force is proportional to the square of the current times the coil turns. Said another way, if you double the current, the force increases by four. Same for the turns. The simplest way to increase force is to just increase the voltage. By going from 15 volts to 18 volts (a 20% increase in both voltage & current), you could increase the force by 44%. This is why going to an 18B or 30B transformer with 18 volt output can really "rock". My guess is that the Gilbert factory designed the coils by trial and error rather than by some formula*. If they got the coils to operate the accessory without burning up during normal use, they were happy. If you try making your own coil, just remember this simple design rule - "Engines smoke, accessories don't!". * see this link for why they might have avoided using a theorical approach! http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/coils/force.html John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24214	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/20/2003
Subject: This guage That guage do any of you know how it really got started

OK All you Know It All Railroaders ...READ On this is how it all got to be GUAGE Related ... Why Was That Gauge Used? The US Standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and the US railroads were built by English expatriates. Why did the English people build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did they use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing. Okay! Why did the wagons use that odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing the wagons would break on some of the old, long distance roads, because that's the spacing of the old wheel ruts. So who built these old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in Europe were built by Imperial Rome for the benefit of their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts? The initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagons, were first made by Roman war chariots. Since the chariots were made by, or for, Imperial Rome they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. Thus we have the answer to the original questions. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial Roman army war chariot. Specs and Bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you may be exactly right - because the Imperial Roman chariots were made to be just wide enough to accommodate the back-ends of two war horses. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on the launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are the solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at a factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs might have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line to the factory runs through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than a railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses' behinds. So a major design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined by the width of a horse's ass. SO Fellow S guagers...I hope that no matter What Guage you decide to argue about this will explain it all....THANX...eh Edward G.(FYRRFYTR)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24215	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Need Chris Zizzo e-mail address

Chris Zizzo email me I found another 172 switch. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24216	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Chariots and Track Gauges

Every culture has its urban legends. While myths, fairy tales, folklore, and traditional legends are generally considered fictional, allegorical, or exaggerations of the truth, urban legends are reported as fact and are widely believed to be factual among the masses. Urban legends are extremely difficult to combat even when evidence exists to disprove them because they seem reasonable, they fit comfortably into an individual's personal beliefs, and most people are not inclined to go in search of "the truth." The world of standards and standardization also has its share of urban legends, which seem to be on the increase because of the Internet and email. One standardization urban legend that has been making the rounds over the last seven years or so deals with the connection between Roman chariots, railroad tracks, and MilSpecs. The story begins with a question asking why the U.S. standard railroad gauge (the distance between rails) is 4 feet 8-1/2 inches, which seems an odd number. The answer given is that English ex-patriots built U.S. railroads, and 4 feet 8-1/2 inches was the standard railroad track gauge in England because the railroad tracks were built on top of road ruts created by the Romans to accommodate their war chariots. Supposedly, the Romans had a MilSpec that set the wheel spacing at 4 feet 8-1/2 inches for their war chariots and all Roman rut roads. Eventually, railroad tracks were laid on top of the road ruts. The final punch line is that the U.S. standard railroad gauge derives from the original MilSpec for an Imperial Roman army war chariot proving that MilSpecs and bureaucracies live forever. The only problem with this story is that none of it is true, except the fact that the standard U.S. railroad track gauge today is indeed 4 feet 8-1/2 inches. For starters, the Roman army did not use chariots for warfare. Chariots were technologically obsolete by 600 BCE, centuries before the rise of Rome. While chariots were a technological leap when they came into use around 1800 BCE, they were far from the ideal weapon portrayed by Hollywood. Chariots were unstable and restricted in use to open and flat terrain. They were also expensive and difficult to make and maintain. The armies of the ancient world used chariots because the horses available to them were too small to carry a mounted soldier in armor and with weapons. Once horses were introduced that were large enough to carry a fully equipped soldier, cavalry quickly replaced charioteers. Cavalry was far more mobile, easier to maintain, and made more effective use of manpower since a chariot required a driver and fighter, whereas a single soldier could ride and fight on horseback. The Roman legions that conquered the ancient western world were made up primarily of armored infantry supported by cavalry, light infantry, archers, and engineers. The Roman legions never used the technologically inferior chariot. Chariots were very popular in the Roman circus games and for ceremonial processions, but they were not used militarily or commercially. The suggestion that the Roman army developed a MilSpec for chariot wheel spacing that necessitated the placement of road ruts at 4 feet 8-1/2 inches is pure fiction. The other aspect of this standardization urban legend that is pure fiction is the suggestion that the standard track gauge in the U.S. has always been 4 feet 8-1/2 inches. At the beginning of the American Civil War in 1861, there were more than 20 different railroad track gauges in the U.S. ranging from 3 feet to 6 feet.5 In fact, 5 feet was by far the most prevalent gauge in the South6, so if the Confederacy had won the war, the standard size in the U.S. might be different today. The table below shows some of the variety of gauges in the U.S. and Canada at the beginning of 1861. Track Gauge Miles of Railroad Track Percentage of Total Mileage 4' 8-1/2" 17,712 53.3 4' 10" 3,294 9.9 5' 0" 7,267 21.8 5' 6" 2,896 8.7 6' 0" 1,777 5.3 Others ------ 1.0 Probably more than any other single event, the American Civil War is why the U.S. has the one standard track gauge today. The Civil War was the first war in which railroads played an important part in transporting troops, equipment, and supplies. The variety of track gauges forced army units to unload and then reload cargo at the junction point between lines with different gauges. Such delays were inconvenient, expensive, and annoying for civilians during peacetime, but for an army to experience such delays sometimes meant the difference between victory and defeat. While the U.S. government did not mandate conversion to a standard track gauge, it did take steps that accelerated standardization towards the 4 foot 8-1/2 inch gauge. In 1862, the United States Military Railroad organization was created to address a number of rail transportation issues, including standardization of track gauges. Since the 4 foot 8-1/2 inch track gauge accounted for more than half the track in the U.S., it made sense from a military and economic viewpoint to promote this as the standard gauge. More than 4,000 miles of new track was laid down in the North during the war, most of which conformed to the 4 foot 8-1/2 inch track gauge. In some cases, the Union forces altered the track gauges of captured Confederate rails. For example, the 5-foot gauge of the Norfolk & Petersburg rail was changed to 4 foot 8-1/2 inch gauge. In other cases, the government succeeded in convincing nonstandard Northern railroads, such as the New York Central, to change their track gauge.10 Finally, the Pacific Railway Act of 1864 mandated the standard 4 foot 8-1/2 inch gauge for the Transcontinental Railroad. The most significant contribution of the government for standardizing track gauges, however, was to serve as a catalyst in bringing together industry to promote railroad cooperation during the Civil War. In February of 1862, Secretary of War Stanton and other government leaders met with the owners of the major railroads to discuss a number of issues, including standardization of track gauges. These meetings continued throughout the Civil War. Following the war, industry continued to meet, and on September 18, 1867, representatives from twenty-nine railroads formed the Master Car Builders Association. At the top of their agenda was the standardization of track gauge in the U.S. It would take another nineteen years, but through the cooperative efforts of industry brought together initially by government, commercial railroad track gauges in the U.S. were at last standardized to 4 feet 8-1/2 inches in 1886. The original question of just how did such an odd track size of 4 feet 8-1/2 inches still remains. The truthful answer is that no one really knows. Some people believe that train tracks were merely laid on top of road ruts left by wagons and that the width of the wagons were determined by the width of two horses side by side hauling the wagon. While it does seem reasonable that train tracks were often laid on top of wagon wheel ruts, the distance between wagon wheel ruts was not universal. Everyone seems to agree that this odd track size did originate in England from a railway pioneer named George Stephenson who used the 4 feet 8-1/2 inch track gauge when building the first public rail line, the Liverpool & Manchester Railway, in 1830. Why he chose this odd size is a matter of conjecture. Some historians maintain that the rails were originally laid 5 feet apart on top of wagon wheel ruts, but because the early edge rails were 1.75 inches across the top and early trains ran on the inside edges, Mr. Stephenson had to subtract 3-1/2 inches for the railroad car wheel spacing making them 4 feet 8-1/2 inches. As railroad track technology improved so that the train wheels ran on top of the tracks, the tracks were moved closer to fit the rail car widths. Still others maintain that Mr. Stephenson originally designed the track gauge to measure 4 feet 8 inches, but during construction, he added in an extra half inch to allow for a little more leeway between rails and wheel flanges. How ever the 4 foot 8-1/2 inch track gauge happened, hopefully, I have provided enough convincing argument to dispel the urban legend connecting it with Roman chariots and MilSpecs. Many believe that once an urban legend makes it to the Internet, it can never be undone. Perhaps. But if everyone in the standards community would send back an email rebuttal to anyone who sends this story to you, I think it could be discredited enough to fade. We in the standards community have a reputation for requiring data to support contentions, and then challenging the data. We do our reputations a disservice if we don't challenge and put right these urban legends. From: the August 2001 issue of the Defense Standardization Program Journal, author: Steve Lowell. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24217	From: John Foley	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Allentown Train Show

UPDATE Two tables are now available at the Allentown Train Show this weekend. John 570 622 3413 foley164@... At 08:01 PM 2/20/03 -0500, John Foley wrote: >Hi Folks > > Someone ask me the other day if any tables were left over from the ones >I had available. I told this fellow they were gone.Well one fellow backed out >so I have one. So If interested contact me off line at foley164@... or >call >570 622 3413. The show is this weekend. >John > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24218	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges

This is in response to Chris Zizzo's excellent and informative post concerning track gauges. The original article was by a Steve Lowell. I understand the points being made, but had not heard of the reference "BCE." "BC" as I always heard it meant before Christ, A.D. anno Domini, for after Christ. But what is the "E" for? Roy Inman ---------- > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > To: slist <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > by 600 BCE, centuries before the rise of Rome.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24219	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges

BCE = before Christian Era....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > This is in response to Chris Zizzo's excellent and informative post > concerning track gauges. The original article was by a Steve Lowell. > I understand the points being made, but had not heard of the reference > "BCE." > "BC" as I always heard it meant before Christ, A.D. anno Domini, for after > Christ. > But what is the "E" for? > Roy Inman > > ---------- > > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > > To: slist <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > by 600 BCE, centuries before the rise of Rome. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24220	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges

Aw, Chris - I expect you also told your kids the truth about Santa Claus! Nice overview, though! Jim Armstrong Subject: Chariots and Track Gauges Every culture has its urban legends. While myths, fairy tales, folklore, and traditional legends are generally considered fictional, allegorical, or exaggerations of the truth, urban legends are reported as fact and are widely believed to be factual among the masses. Urban legends are extremely difficult to combat even when evidence exists to disprove them because they seem reasonable, they fit comfortably into an individual's personal beliefs, and most people are not inclined to go in search of "the truth." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24221	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: This guage That guage do any of you know how it really got star

A great place to check anything that smells like an urban legend is: http://www.snopes.com Here is their page where the railroad gauge story is debunked. http://www.snopes.com/history/american/gauge.htm By the way, gauge is spelled G-A-U-G-E, not guage. Sheesh! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24222	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Hydrocal in bulk

Chris, I had checked in with Woodland Scenics a year ago or so. They sell Hydrocal in a 5 gallon bucket that seemed a reasonable price. (My feeble mind can't remember if it was in the $20 or $40 range.) They have a website that I believe is listed in their ads. Shipping cost is another question. (We live close enough in Missouri that I was considering a drive by pickup.) Bill ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24223	From: David	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk

Hydrocal is nothing more than Plaster Of Paris (Pardon the French Reference). You can buy Plaster Of Paris in 25 pound bags at Lowes for $6.86 DAP #10320 or Home Depot SKU 709352 for $7.97. Don't waste your money spending $5 to $6 for a small bag of plaster at a hobby shop. Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's in excellent condition....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24224	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk

Hydrocal is much harder than Plaster of paris....Kinda like 2000# concrete and 4000# concrete,,,,Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dave0616@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hydrocal in bulk > Hydrocal is nothing more than Plaster Of Paris (Pardon the French > Reference). You can buy Plaster Of Paris in 25 pound bags at Lowes > for $6.86 DAP #10320 or Home Depot SKU 709352 for $7.97. Don't waste > your money spending $5 to $6 for a small bag of plaster at a hobby > shop. > > > > Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's in excellent > condition.... > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24225	From: richard.bendever@aventis.com	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk

Forwarded by request: Check your nearest foundry pattern supply company. EVERY hardness of plasters. Also urethane casting compounds which are not those commonly used in railroad modeling (Junk stuff to me). The plasters were ones I used in modeling for 30 years (while building architectural models). John Armstrong (I still can't send messages to Yehoo)(kick this out there) --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24226	From: Doug	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk

Now there's a listing I can't find in the Yellow pages. "foundry pattern supply" Any other listings it may be under? Doug ------------- Original message follows ------------- Forwarded by request: Check your nearest foundry pattern supply company. EVERY hardness of plasters. Also urethane casting compounds which are not those commonly used in railroad modeling (Junk stuff to me). The plasters were ones I used in modeling for 30 years (while building architectural models). John Armstrong

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24227	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: ROAR OF THE RAILS

I want to thank Chuck for a wonderful labor of love in posting all those pages. We can see the die was cast before 1944 and Gilbert could have made so many more steam locomotive variations as seen on pages 4, 5, 6 & 7. Instead he basically picked 5 and didn't go much further. Glenn Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:37:08 -0500 From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> Subject: "Roar Of The Rails" oline! I am happy to be able to offer for your online inspection the 1944 Gilbert publication, "Roar Of The Rails" The world was at war, and unlike the first world war, kids had to do without new trains. This publication focused on prototype railroads, and at the same time incouraged kids to buy war bonds and wait for the day that American Flyer Trains would be available again. I am told this is a very rare Gilbert publication, and I was fortunate to be able to get one in nearly new condition for scanning. A reminder that when you get to the index page with the thumbnails, clicking on a thumbnail gives you a single page view, while clicking on the labels below the thumbnails, gives you the two page view, like the book was laying open on your desk. The 1948 consumer catalog and the 1958 Toy Catalog were also posted today. My thanks to Nick Colleran for these. Enjoy! http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24228	From: David	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk

True but the difference is negligible. I had huge layouts when I was into HO and saved a bundle using Plaster of Paris instead of Hydrocal, and never had any troubles due to hardness. In some cases you can also use Drywall mud. Just dilute with water until creamy and have fun. Only $9.80 a 5 gallon bucket. :o) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > Hydrocal is much harder than Plaster of paris....Kinda like 2000# concrete > and 4000# concrete,,,,Bob > ----- Original Message -----

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24229	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1782

In a message dated 2/21/03 7:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 06:52:12 -0000 > From: "Edward G. <am-flyr@...>" <am-flyr@...> > Subject: This gauge That gauge do any of you know how it really got started > ..??? I Do > Edward, I must say, after I got up from my floor, after falling out of my chair, laughing, I had to rush this missive to give you credit for what a lot of people feel. Yes, I understand it is a passion, and the items are expensive, to a degree, but, after all, aren't they all just toys that most of us grew up with and learned certain mechanical, electrical, physics tricks that certainly influenced us later in life. This is one man's opinion. Keep up the great research! Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24230	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: K-LINE S Cars

Looks to me like the boxcars are possibly oversize but obviously not full 1/48 scale (where a 40' boxcar = 10" long) and were photographed on SHS trucks. Wish someone with access would measure one for us. I still think K-Line getting S product out at that price may be a boon to the hobby. It certainly offers a less expensive way to get more "bullet proof" starter sets into the market and interest some youngsters, assuming they go that far. Whether these cars are scale or not is irrelevant- scalers will either adapt parts or not as they see fit. That's not the market for these. Look at what sells in O Gauge with all the compressed scale offerings. Remember that ACG were TOY trains to stay in perspective. "pieter_roos " wrote: > > Yes, I did look at those pages. Looks to me like an O car on SHS > trucks, so clearly this is subjective. We hear they tooled their own > S trucks without the springs that seem to show on the catalog pages, > that combined with the fact that the right hand coupler on every > boxcar illustrated has the same droop suggests that these > are "artists concepts" rather than photos of a group of actual cars; > so they are pretty inconclusive. > > Chris Zizzo on the same list reports holding the cars in his hands > and noted: > > "The box car looks just plain wrong. It is too tall and looks too > big for the trucks. The skirting overhangs the wheels and simply > does not look like any boxcar I have ever seen. I believe that this > is an 027 car on S trucks." > > And in a second post: > "I had these cars in my hands and I was very disappointed in what I > saw. Fancy paint jobs aside, these boxcars are not an S product. > They are not even a 3/16ths. scale product. They are eight inch 027 > cars with S-trucks, like the Lionel horsecar. In fact, the horsecar > looks better." > > His opinion, we are all free to form our own. > > He does say the tank car looks to be 3/16ths inch scale. I have a > couple of Marx 3/16ths box car shells which, aside from the too > steep roof slope, aren't bad for size. These have cast on doors, > while the K-Line cars appear to have opening doors (which again > suggests a different car from the Marx 3/16ths body). I also have a > stock car that is right on for S, but that car is not in this lineup. > > I'm not saying people shouldn't buy these. If you like them, that's > fine. But maybe we should communicate to K-Line that their efforts > could be better directed to doing something different for S. It > looks sometimes like when companies do notice S they decide we are > so hungry for product we'll buy anything! > > Pieter > > --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@a...> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <pieter.roos@w...> > > . . . . . According to folks on the S Trains list who saw the > actual models, > > they are not made from the MARX 3/16ths scale tooling, but rather > from the > > 1/4 inch scale tooling. . . . . . . . . > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Greg Elems gave us a web-site URL to get a look at them. > > http://myflyertrains.org/k-line.htm > > I think if anyone took advantage of that, it would be obvious > that these > > are not 1/48 scale bodies on S gauge trucks. The bodies appear to > be > > approximately in scale with the trucks. The bodies of a lot of > what is > > sold as "O-27" or "O-gauge traditional size" are much closer to S > than to > > O, although it's rare when they are exactly right-on for S. But > for > > operators, as distinguished from precise modellers, they can be > useful. > > > > So far in this K-line discussion, no one has noted that that 1989 > Fall S > > Fest car was a K-line car with S gauge trucks. It was a stock > car, and in > > overall profile it fits right in with S scale cars. > > To see or post Photos visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24231	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1782

In a message dated 2/21/03 7:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> > Subject: Chariots and Track Gauges Thanks, Chris I learn something new every day. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24232	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 23, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24233	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges

Hey Roy..I believe BCE stands for Before Common Era Al K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:35 AM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > This is in response to Chris Zizzo's excellent and informative post > concerning track gauges. The original article was by a Steve Lowell. > I understand the points being made, but had not heard of the reference > "BCE." > "BC" as I always heard it meant before Christ, A.D. anno Domini, for after > Christ. > But what is the "E" for? > Roy Inman > > ---------- > > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > > To: slist <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > by 600 BCE, centuries before the rise of Rome. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24234	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/21/2003
Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges

AAAWWWWWwwwwwww Chris ...I dont think ya let the thing about Santa out of the Bag too.....GEEEEeezzzz....But ya did get the Punch Line WRONG...lol..it wasnt about Chariots and Ruts ....It was about the HORSES ASSES....sort of like what goes on in here between the shots and argueing ...lolololol

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24235	From: The Youngs	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1783

Hey try joint compound works great ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1783 > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 18 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: [S-Scale] Allentown Train Show > From: John Foley <foley164@...> > 2. FW: Chariots and Track Gauges > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > 3. Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > 4. Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > From: "Jim Armstrong" <jarmstro@...> > 5. Re: This guage That guage do any of you know how it really got started ..??? I Do > From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> > 6. Hydrocal in bulk > From: wmhtreftsv@... > 7. Re: Hydrocal in bulk > From: "David <Dave0616@...>" <Dave0616@...> > 8. Re: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > 9. RE: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > From: <richard.bendever@...> > 10. RE: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > From: "Doug" <reefman@...> > 11. Re: ROAR OF THE RAILS > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > 12. Re: Hydrocal in bulk > From: "David <Dave0616@...>" <Dave0616@...> > 13. Re: Digest Number 1782 > From: Crpntr12449@... > 14. Re: [S-Scale] Re: K-LINE S Cars > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > 15. Re: Digest Number 1782 > From: Crpntr12449@... > 16. Reminder - Sunday Chat > From: S-Trains > 17. Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > From: Kielek Family <mkielek@...> > 18. Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > From: "Edward G. <am-flyr@...>" <am-flyr@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:27:41 -0500 > From: John Foley <foley164@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Allentown Train Show > > UPDATE > Two tables are now available at the Allentown Train Show this weekend. > > John > 570 622 3413 > foley164@... > > > > > At 08:01 PM 2/20/03 -0500, John Foley wrote: > >Hi Folks > > > > Someone ask me the other day if any tables were left over from the ones > >I had available. I told this fellow they were gone.Well one fellow backed out > >so I have one. So If interested contact me off line at foley164@... or > >call > >570 622 3413. The show is this weekend. > >John > > > > > >To see or post Photos visit > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:35:27 -0600 > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: FW: Chariots and Track Gauges > > This is in response to Chris Zizzo's excellent and informative post > concerning track gauges. The original article was by a Steve Lowell. > I understand the points being made, but had not heard of the reference > "BCE." > "BC" as I always heard it meant before Christ, A.D. anno Domini, for after > Christ. > But what is the "E" for? > Roy Inman > > ---------- > > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > > To: slist <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > by 600 BCE, centuries before the rise of Rome. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:05:43 -0500 > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > > BCE = before Christian Era....Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> > To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:35 AM > Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > This is in response to Chris Zizzo's excellent and informative post > > concerning track gauges. The original article was by a Steve Lowell. > > I understand the points being made, but had not heard of the reference > > "BCE." > > "BC" as I always heard it meant before Christ, A.D. anno Domini, for after > > Christ. > > But what is the "E" for? > > Roy Inman > > > > ---------- > > > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> > > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > > > To: slist <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > > > by 600 BCE, centuries before the rise of Rome. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:36:27 -0700 > From: "Jim Armstrong" <jarmstro@...> > Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > > Aw, Chris - I expect you also told your kids the truth about Santa Claus! > > Nice overview, though! Jim Armstrong > > Subject: Chariots and Track Gauges > > Every culture has its urban legends. While myths, fairy tales, folklore, > and traditional legends are generally considered fictional, allegorical, or > exaggerations of the truth, urban legends are reported as fact and are > widely believed to be factual among the masses. Urban legends are extremely > difficult to combat even when evidence exists to disprove them because they > seem reasonable, they fit comfortably into an individual's personal beliefs, > and most people are not inclined to go in search of "the truth." > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:01:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> > Subject: Re: This guage That guage do any of you know how it really got started ..??? I Do > > A great place to check anything that smells like an urban legend is: > > http://www.snopes.com > > Here is their page where the railroad gauge story is debunked. > > http://www.snopes.com/history/american/gauge.htm > > By the way, gauge is spelled G-A-U-G-E, not guage. Sheesh! > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:50:01 -0600 > From: wmhtreftsv@... > Subject: Hydrocal in bulk > > Chris, > > I had checked in with Woodland Scenics a year ago or so. They sell > Hydrocal in a 5 gallon bucket that seemed a reasonable price. (My feeble > mind can't remember if it was in the $20 or $40 range.) They have a > website that I believe is listed in their ads. Shipping cost is another > question. (We live close enough in Missouri that I was considering a > drive by pickup.) > > Bill > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:25:58 -0000 > From: "David <Dave0616@...>" <Dave0616@...> > Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > Hydrocal is nothing more than Plaster Of Paris (Pardon the French > Reference). You can buy Plaster Of Paris in 25 pound bags at Lowes > for $6.86 DAP #10320 or Home Depot SKU 709352 for $7.97. Don't waste > your money spending $5 to $6 for a small bag of plaster at a hobby > shop. > > > > Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's in excellent > condition.... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:47:31 -0500 > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > Hydrocal is much harder than Plaster of paris....Kinda like 2000# concrete > and 4000# concrete,,,,Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Dave0616@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:25 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > > > Hydrocal is nothing more than Plaster Of Paris (Pardon the French > > Reference). You can buy Plaster Of Paris in 25 pound bags at Lowes > > for $6.86 DAP #10320 or Home Depot SKU 709352 for $7.97. Don't waste > > your money spending $5 to $6 for a small bag of plaster at a hobby > > shop. > > > > > > > > Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's in excellent > > condition.... > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:37:10 -0500 > From: <richard.bendever@...> > Subject: RE: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > Forwarded by request: > > Check your nearest foundry pattern supply company. EVERY hardness of > plasters. Also urethane casting compounds which are not those commonly used > in railroad modeling (Junk stuff to me). > The plasters were ones I used in modeling for 30 years (while building > architectural models). John Armstrong > > (I still can't send messages to Yehoo)(kick this out there) > > -- > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:50:09 -0500 (EST) > From: "Doug" <reefman@...> > Subject: RE: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > Now there's a listing I can't find in the Yellow pages. "foundry pattern > supply" > Any other listings it may be under? > Doug > > ------------- Original message follows ------------- > > Forwarded by request: > > Check your nearest foundry pattern supply company. EVERY hardness > of > plasters. Also urethane casting compounds which are not those > commonly used > in railroad modeling (Junk stuff to me). > The plasters were ones I used in modeling for 30 years (while building > architectural models). John Armstrong > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:12:50 -0500 > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > Subject: Re: ROAR OF THE RAILS > > > I want to thank Chuck for a wonderful labor of love in > posting all those pages. We can see the die was cast > before 1944 and Gilbert could have made so many > more steam locomotive variations as seen on pages > 4, 5, 6 & 7. Instead he basically picked 5 and > didn't go much further. > > Glenn > > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:37:08 -0500 > From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> > Subject: "Roar Of The Rails" oline! > > I am happy to be able to offer for your online inspection the 1944 > Gilbert publication, "Roar Of The Rails" The world was at war, and > unlike the first world war, kids had to do without new trains. This > publication focused on prototype railroads, and at the same time > incouraged kids to buy war bonds and wait for the day that American > Flyer Trains would be available again. I am told this is a very rare > Gilbert publication, and I was fortunate to be able to get one in nearly > new condition for scanning. > > A reminder that when you get to the index page with the thumbnails, > clicking on a thumbnail gives you a single page view, while clicking on > the labels below the thumbnails, gives you the two page view, like the > book was laying open on your desk. > > The 1948 consumer catalog and the 1958 Toy Catalog were also posted > today. My thanks to Nick Colleran for these. > > Enjoy! > > http://www.myflyertrains.org > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:33:23 -0000 > From: "David <Dave0616@...>" <Dave0616@...> > Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > True but the difference is negligible. I had huge layouts when I was > into HO and saved a bundle using Plaster of Paris instead of > Hydrocal, and never had any troubles due to hardness. In some cases > you can also use Drywall mud. Just dilute with water until creamy and > have fun. Only $9.80 a 5 gallon bucket. :o) > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> > wrote: > > Hydrocal is much harder than Plaster of paris....Kinda like 2000# > concrete > > and 4000# concrete,,,,Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:25:11 EST > From: Crpntr12449@... > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1782 > > In a message dated 2/21/03 7:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > > Message: 14 > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 06:52:12 -0000 > > From: "Edward G. <am-flyr@...>" <am-flyr@...> > > Subject: This gauge That gauge do any of you know how it really got started > > ..??? I Do > > > > Edward, I must say, after I got up from my floor, after falling out of my > chair, laughing, I had to rush this missive to give you credit for what a lot > of people feel. Yes, I understand it is a passion, and the items are > expensive, to a degree, but, after all, aren't they all just toys that most > of us grew up with and learned certain mechanical, electrical, physics tricks > that certainly influenced us later in life. This is one man's opinion. Keep > up the great research! Carlton > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:18:52 -0500 > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: K-LINE S Cars > > Looks to me like the boxcars are possibly oversize but obviously not > full 1/48 scale (where a 40' boxcar = 10" long) and were photographed > on SHS trucks. Wish someone with access would measure one for us. > > I still think K-Line getting S product out at that price may be a boon > to the hobby. It certainly offers a less expensive way to get more > "bullet proof" starter sets into the market and interest some > youngsters, assuming they go that far. Whether these cars are scale or > not is irrelevant- scalers will either adapt parts or not as they see > fit. That's not the market for these. Look at what sells in O Gauge > with all the compressed scale offerings. Remember that ACG were TOY > trains to stay in perspective. > > "pieter_roos " wrote: > > > > Yes, I did look at those pages. Looks to me like an O car on SHS > > trucks, so clearly this is subjective. We hear they tooled their own > > S trucks without the springs that seem to show on the catalog pages, > > that combined with the fact that the right hand coupler on every > > boxcar illustrated has the same droop suggests that these > > are "artists concepts" rather than photos of a group of actual cars; > > so they are pretty inconclusive. > > > > Chris Zizzo on the same list reports holding the cars in his hands > > and noted: > > > > "The box car looks just plain wrong. It is too tall and looks too > > big for the trucks. The skirting overhangs the wheels and simply > > does not look like any boxcar I have ever seen. I believe that this > > is an 027 car on S trucks." > > > > And in a second post: > > "I had these cars in my hands and I was very disappointed in what I > > saw. Fancy paint jobs aside, these boxcars are not an S product. > > They are not even a 3/16ths. scale product. They are eight inch 027 > > cars with S-trucks, like the Lionel horsecar. In fact, the horsecar > > looks better." > > > > His opinion, we are all free to form our own. > > > > He does say the tank car looks to be 3/16ths inch scale. I have a > > couple of Marx 3/16ths box car shells which, aside from the too > > steep roof slope, aren't bad for size. These have cast on doors, > > while the K-Line cars appear to have opening doors (which again > > suggests a different car from the Marx 3/16ths body). I also have a > > stock car that is right on for S, but that car is not in this lineup. > > > > I'm not saying people shouldn't buy these. If you like them, that's > > fine. But maybe we should communicate to K-Line that their efforts > > could be better directed to doing something different for S. It > > looks sometimes like when companies do notice S they decide we are > > so hungry for product we'll buy anything! > > > > Pieter > > > > --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@a...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <pieter.roos@w...> > > > . . . . . According to folks on the S Trains list who saw the > > actual models, > > > they are not made from the MARX 3/16ths scale tooling, but rather > > from the > > > 1/4 inch scale tooling. . . . . . . . . > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Greg Elems gave us a web-site URL to get a look at them. > > > http://myflyertrains.org/k-line.htm > > > I think if anyone took advantage of that, it would be obvious > > that these > > > are not 1/48 scale bodies on S gauge trucks. The bodies appear to > > be > > > approximately in scale with the trucks. The bodies of a lot of > > what is > > > sold as "O-27" or "O-gauge traditional size" are much closer to S > > than to > > > O, although it's rare when they are exactly right-on for S. But > > for > > > operators, as distinguished from precise modellers, they can be > > useful. > > > > > > So far in this K-line discussion, no one has noted that that 1989 > > Fall S > > > Fest car was a K-line car with S gauge trucks. It was a stock > > car, and in > > > overall profile it fits right in with S scale cars. > > > > To see or post Photos visit > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:28:30 EST > From: Crpntr12449@... > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1782 > > In a message dated 2/21/03 7:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > > Message: 16 > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> > > Subject: Chariots and Track Gauges > > Thanks, Chris I learn something new every day. Carlton > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: 22 Feb 2003 01:02:24 -0000 > From: S-Trains > Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, February 23, 2003 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:17:09 -0700 > From: Kielek Family <mkielek@...> > Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > > Hey Roy..I believe BCE stands for Before Common Era Al K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> > To: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:35 AM > Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > This is in response to Chris Zizzo's excellent and informative post > > concerning track gauges. The original article was by a Steve Lowell. > > I understand the points being made, but had not heard of the reference > > "BCE." > > "BC" as I always heard it meant before Christ, A.D. anno Domini, for after > > Christ. > > But what is the "E" for? > > Roy Inman > > > > ---------- > > > From: Chris Zizzo <busyboy@...> > > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > > > To: slist <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > > > by 600 BCE, centuries before the rise of Rome. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 01:21:19 -0000 > From: "Edward G. <am-flyr@...>" <am-flyr@...> > Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > > AAAWWWWWwwwwwww Chris ...I dont think ya let the thing about Santa > out of the Bag too.....GEEEEeezzzz....But ya did get the Punch Line > WRONG...lol..it wasnt about Chariots and Ruts ....It was about the > HORSES ASSES....sort of like what goes on in here between the shots > and argueing ...lolololol > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24236	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: BC vs. BCE

CE stands for "Common Era." It is a new term that is eventually expected to replace AD. The latter is an acronym for "Anno Domini" in Latin or "the year of the Lord" in English. The latter refers to the approximate birth year of Yeshua ben Nazareth (a.k.a. Jesus Christ). CE and AD have the same definition and value. 2000 CE = 2000 AD. BCE stands for "Before the common era." It is expected to replace BC, which means "Before Christ." BC and BCE are also identical in value. Most theologians and religious historians believe that the approximate birth date of Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus) was in the fall, sometime between 4 and 7 BCE. The term "common" simply means that this is the most frequently used calendar system: the Gregorian Calendar. There are many religious calendars in existence, but each of these are normally in use in only a small geographic area of the world -- typically by followers of a single religion. Groups in favor of CE/BCE: The Ethic of Reciprocity (the Golden Rule) suggests that one should not intentionally cause pain to other humans. We should treat others as we would wish to be treated. Since only one out of every three humans on earth is a Christian, some theologians felt that non-religious, neutral terms like CE and BCE would be less offensive to the non-Christian majority. Forcing a Hindu, for example, to use AD and BC might be seen by some as coercing them to acknowledge the supremacy of the Christian God and of Jesus Christ. However, there is nothing to prevent a person from defining CE and BCE as "Christian Era" and "Before the Christian Era" if they wish. Groups opposed to CE/BCE: Many Christians, particularly from the conservative wing of that religion, are distressed at the new terms. Some feel that AD and BC have been in use for centuries and that this tradition should be respected. Others see the switch to CE and BCE as just one more example of non-Christian religions being given precedence over Christianity. At its year-2000 convention at Orlando FL, the Southern Baptist Convention approved their Resolution 9: "On retaining the traditional method of calendar dating (B.C./A.D.)" With reference to the popularity of the CE/BCE nomenclature, it stated, in part: "...This practice is the result of the secularization, anti-supernaturalism, religious pluralism, and political correctness pervasive in our society. . . . The traditional method of dating is a reminder of the preeminence of Christ and His gospel in world history." The resolution recommended that Southern Baptist "individuals, churches, entities, and institutions...retain the traditional method of dating and avoid this revisionism. reproduced with minor editing for length from Religious Tolerance.org Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24237	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Muncie Indiana

Hi All, I am going on a last minute trip to a train show in Muncie. If anyone is going, look for me at the Timko Motors booth. I will be there with Frank and his Flywheel motors. 27.95 ea or 4 for 100.00 Dollars. Will also hace rectifiers for a buck and a half. Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24238	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: K-Line

Chuck, they are Eight Inch cars. They are being marketed in the catalog as eight inch cars. We have discussed several times that they are eight inches, including a post that showed them to be 42.6 feet in S and 32 in 0. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24239	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges

Edward G. sez: >it wasnt about Chariots and Ruts >It was about the HORSES ASSES.... Oh, I got it all right! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24240	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: BC/ BCE

I'm sick of Politically Correct Crap. It's Been BC/AD for quite a while. Leave it at that. Now back to trains BTC(before this crap} Leave the religion at home. And the politics. This is a train list as I recently recall Someone saying. Yeah I know, I'll probably burn in Flames now. So what. I Can't stand to listen to double people sometimes. Fomr here on out it's click the delete. Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24241	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1782

If you want to sell this, I would suggest that you contact Greg Stout at info@... or check the web site http://www.stoutauctions.com/. Stout Auctions is located in the Indianapolis area and specializes in the sale of toy train collectables. I have seen some very impressive prices paid for dealor displays at these sales. He could probably also give advise on shipping the display to Indianapolis for a sale and how not to reduce its value. > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:22:35 -0600 > From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> > Subject: Gilbert AF Store Display Sets - Questions > > > S-Gaugers, > > Warning! - This posting is a little long, but I tried to be as > informative as possible to get educated feedback. > As usual, any input, opinions, experience, or suggestions (even flames > and jokes) on the following topics would be welcome. > > Topic: This posting has to deal with > * A Gilbert American Flyer store display set > * Questions on how to ship such a set > * How Gilbert originally shipped, assembled and stored such store > display sets > * If its not feasible, then best way to market such a set

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24242	From: John G	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Diesel pullmore wheel replacement

I just got done installing two replacement diesel pullmore wheels on my New Haven 499. This are the new vulcanized replacement wheels that just came out. The rubber is molded onto the wheel like the original (rather than a grooved wheel with a rubber band). The wheels are made of steel and were manufactured by Neil Trump. I bought mine from Doug Peck and understand Joe Haenn may also sell them). Anyway, the wheels are well made and run nice in operation. It solved my problem in which the original wheels became out of round and caused my locomotive to wobble. It now runs smooth & pulls much better. Installation - I removed the old wheels using a modified battery cable puller as described in Tom Barkers repair manual. The plastic insulating bushings from the old wheels are reused with the new wheels. I did have a problem pressing the wheels back on straight. My first try was to use a C-clamp to press them on. One wheel was was crooked and I had to remove it. For my second try, I used a drill press vise. The alignment is still not perfect, but is acceptable. If someone has a better method for pressing wheels on straight, I'd appreciate a post. John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24243	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Muncie Indiana

Hi Chris: Would you elaborate (either on the list or off line) on some of the known applications, benefits, etc. of the rectifiers mentioned here other than changing the ac to dc (by the way, with tongue in cheek, these refer to alternating current and direct current). tx Rance Velapoldi Cbtrainnut1@... wrote: >Hi All, >I am going on a last minute trip to a train show in Muncie. If anyone is >going, look for me at the Timko Motors booth. I will be there with Frank and >his Flywheel motors. >27.95 ea or 4 for 100.00 Dollars. Will also hace rectifiers for a buck and a >half. > >Chris The Trainnut >MVSG >NASG >SHSPL > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24244	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: S guage Time Line

Gentlemen: I was just wondering what would be an appropriate time line for our infatuation since I do not think that our message board is appropriate for discussions on the traditional and correct BC/AD versus BCE/ACE as proposed by those who lack frontal lobes. Anyway, I submit for discussion, thoughts and comments a potential time line for our hobby. For example: I would state that we have four major time lines for S: * Before 1945, the O Gauge Era (OGE) While S did exist, AF was O and most of us didn't exist yet. * 1946 thru 1966, the AF Era (AFE) The golden years when we were kids and we had our toys. * 1967 thru 1989, The Discounted Era (DE). The Dark Ages. Our mothers stored and then threw out our sets. But good times for AF collectors. * 1989 thru the present, The 'You want what for .? era (YWWFE). New products and new members because the kids now have money and manufacturers recognize it. (Note: this era continues as long as the corvette appreciation algorithm found in certain advanced micro economics treatises is meaningful, and the wife doesn't realize how much you are really spending on your hobby (e.g. exceeds the worth one or two 1967 restored corvettes) ). Another important factor is that we have more free time, like when we where kids, because our kids are gone and some of us are retired. Regads, Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24245	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Of Vendors and Couplers

Of all of the various S vendors out there, AM, S Helper, Kline, etc... do they all work with AF couplers on the 9xx cars? And do they all run on real AF track? I know AM makes scale and high-rail wheels - high-rail for AF track. But do the couplers match up? And what about the others out there? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24246	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Diesel pullmore wheel replacement

i have used a small flat block of wood to press the wheels on,,it works good and gives you a even pressure so the whell goes on straight,,,like a 2x2 half inch plywood,,,, ----- Original Message ----- From: <NotColdEnough@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Diesel pullmore wheel replacement > I just got done installing two replacement diesel pullmore wheels on > my New Haven 499. This are the new vulcanized replacement wheels > that just came out. The rubber is molded onto the wheel like the > original (rather than a grooved wheel with a rubber band). The > wheels are made of steel and were manufactured by Neil Trump. I > bought mine from Doug Peck and understand Joe Haenn may also sell > them). > > Anyway, the wheels are well made and run nice in operation. It > solved my problem in which the original wheels became out of round > and caused my locomotive to wobble. It now runs smooth & pulls much > better. > > Installation - I removed the old wheels using a modified battery > cable puller as described in Tom Barkers repair manual. The plastic > insulating bushings from the old wheels are reused with the new > wheels. I did have a problem pressing the wheels back on straight. > My first try was to use a C-clamp to press them on. One wheel was > was crooked and I had to remove it. For my second try, I used a > drill press vise. The alignment is still not perfect, but is > acceptable. If someone has a better method for pressing wheels on > straight, I'd appreciate a post. > > John Gasal > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24247	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Of Vendors and Couplers

In a message dated 2/22/03 9:57:29 AM, pianoman@... writes: << Of all of the various S vendors out there, AM, S Helper, K-Line, etc... do they all work with AF couplers on the 9xx cars? And do they all run on real AF track? >> Basically, yes. But none of the new coupler wannabes (e.g., "Gilbert compatible") from Lionel, AM, SHS, etc. work near as well as the original Gilberts. Period. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24248	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Of Vendors and Couplers

All Flyer size couplers mate with Flyer- Flyonel, AM, SHS, Ace, etc. Provisos: 1) AM's old dummy couplers mate with AF but are shorter in height and won't auto couple reliably with SHS. 2) I don't think anyone knows about K-Line yet. The couplers and trucks shown in the catalog are sprung SHS. We know from at least one eye witness that the real K-Line trucks are not sprung. However, it's probably safe to assume they mate with AF because of the market they're going for, namely you and me. Michael Lueck wrote: > > Of all of the various S vendors out there, AM, S Helper, Kline, etc... do they > all work with AF couplers on the 9xx cars? And do they all run on real AF > track? I know AM makes scale and high-rail wheels - high-rail for AF track. But > do the couplers match up? And what about the others out there? > > Thanks! > Michael > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24249	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line

OK, so they're 42' 6" long. Not a knock out factor for my toy train side or my grandson. How about height and width? Anyone? Chris Zizzo wrote: > > Chuck, they are Eight Inch cars. They are being marketed in the catalog as > eight inch cars. We have discussed several times that they are eight > inches, including a post that showed them to be 42.6 feet in S and 32 in 0. > > Chris Zizzo > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24250	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Of Vendors and Couplers

"Basically, yes. But none of the new coupler wannabes (e.g., "Gilbert compatible") from Lionel, AM, SHS, etc. work near as well as the original Gilberts. Period" Boy, is that right! Not even the Flyonel copies--especially the metal-bodied versions. ACG's engineers knew that there are some critical dimensions in the couplers (width of the closed knuckle opening, "tongue" to knuckle face, etc.) that allow them to couple and flex without uncoupling, while providing enough play that the trucks don't derail each other in curves. Why this is apparently so hard to reverse engineer is beyond me! I understand that Big L so wants to do things "their way" that they deliberately changed the design! And then there is the foolishness of having metal bodies on illuminated and power pick-up trucks, like the NP set. Once the paint rubs off, you have short circuits! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24251	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1783

HYDROCAL: I purchased a 80# bag for $18 +/- at a building supply co. here in Denver. Only use it for castings, such as rock faces, tunnel portals, house foundations etc, etc,. For softer landscaping I whip up news paper,( free ) with a paint mixer in an electric drill en tell it is pulp, mix it 3 to 1 latex paint (usually purchases at garage sales for less than $1 gal. even if it and been previously frozen it still works good) color is optional, but I prefer green. Paint it over window screen, or paper towels supported with cardboard lath shims or what ever, I use gray landscaping cloth as used under rock landscaping. This mixture goes on like cake frosting, dries in about one hour, color is thru out, it's cheep, it's flexible, it's fast and cleans up with water. The only downfall it is not fire proof as with hydrocal. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24252	From: eddiee456	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: who sells original looking roadbed?

I'm looking to buy rubber roadbed for my original AF track. I was wondering who produces and/or sells roadbed that looks like the original? Ed

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24253	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: who sells original looking roadbed?

**(((I'm looking to buy rubber roadbed for my original AF track. I was wondering who produces and/or sells roadbed that looks like the original?)))*** check out http://www.roadbed.net/ Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24254	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Layout progress

Weathers been so lousy I've had lots of time to work on the layout. I posted a few new pix at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album08 Hope to make chat tomorrow. Have a great weekend. Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24255	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Poultry Palace Car Progress Photos

Hello Group, I have posted some new photos of my Lehigh Valley Models Poultry Palace Car Kit on the Photo Gallery at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums From here: Pick the "MODEL RAILROADING" link Then pick the "Album: Photos from Our S Friends" link Then pick the "Album: Bullgator" link Then pick the "Album: Lehigh Valley Models Poultry Palace Car Kit" link I have completed the painting, decals and other detailing. The next step is to finish detailing the chickens, place them in the car and install the "cages". Hopefully I can get the rest of the work finished soon! The photos are sorted by caption so be sure to check out both pages of photos. And while you're there, you may wish to check out the other American Flyer photos in all the other fine albums! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24256	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: To the Sunday chat crowd....

Sorry guys,......I won't be at chat,.. having a pizza/bandpractice,....a band practice, not pizza eating practice!! Feel free to talk about me,.....and of course,...TRAINS!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24257	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: steam loco drivers(scale flanges)

Hello Gang....I need some info, I'm looking to scrachbuild some steamers in S(scale flanges). I need to know if anyone makes 63"drivers(spoked) and 75" drivers(spoked)with main gearbox(s).....Thanx Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24258	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: WHY...??...Only Sunday Night Chat ..???

OK ..why is there CHAT ..only on sunday night ???..I come on here several times a day ..and in the evenings I also go into the chat room just to see who might be there (got nothing else to do)and to YAK...So come on you train lovers ..Why cant we go into Chat 24/7..and Yak at Whoever is around in there ????

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24259	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: WHY...??...Only Sunday Night Chat ..???

**(((OK ..why is there CHAT ..only on sunday night ???..I come on here several times a day ..and in the evenings I also go into the chat room just to see who might be there (got nothing else to do)and to YAK...So come on you train lovers ..Why cant we go into Chat 24/7..and Yak at Whoever is around in there ????)))**** Well,.....you could send a post to the group and say you are headin' to the chat room,....and ifn' anyone is interested,...they could join you. Address it "chat",...the non chat people can delete. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24260	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Diesel pullmore wheel replacement

John, I use a drill press vise for diesel and steam wheel replacement. Just squeeze the wheels on a little at a time rotating the wheel/axle about 90 degrees between squeezes. This evens out any tendency to go on crooked. As good as factory! Don > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:22:59 -0000 > From: "John G <NotColdEnough@...>" <NotColdEnough@...> >Subject: Diesel pullmore wheel replacement >Installation - I removed the old wheels using a modified battery >cable puller as described in Tom Barkers repair manual. The plastic >insulating bushings from the old wheels are reused with the new >wheels. I did have a problem pressing the wheels back on straight. >My first try was to use a C-clamp to press them on. One wheel was >was crooked and I had to remove it. For my second try, I used a >drill press vise. The alignment is still not perfect, but is >acceptable. If someone has a better method for pressing wheels on >straight, I'd appreciate a post. >John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24261	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: WHY...??...Only Sunday Night Chat ..???

Ed, Just as Rick suggested, post to the group that you are going to be in the chat room at XX time, and see who shows up! Sun night only, because I'd never get anything else done if we had chat 24/7!! ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24262	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: 24/7 CHAT...Y Not

Well thats good enough for me ..from now on I'll be checking into the chat room just to see whos there....theres been 4 of us there already tonight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24263	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line

Chuck Smith asked: >OK, so they're 42' 6" long. How about height and width? Anyone? They're on the order of 1/8th" (or more) too wide. 1/8th" doesn't sound like a lot, but when you put one of them in a consist of proper- width boxcars, the error stands out noticeably. Height differences of course, are prototypical, so errors in height don't show (to me, anyway.) Chuck F. (the other Chuck)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24264	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: wannabe couplers

But none of the new coupler wannabes (e.g., "Gilbert compatible") from Lionel, AM, SHS, etc. work near as well as the original Gilberts. Period. I have to give my 2 cents worth on this. I can pull 28 cars mixed with flyer, S-Helper, and american models. I have only had coupler problems with the Old flyer and american models. Coincidence? I don't know, it just seems like those couplers can't handle the longer heavier loads. I now run those at the end of the train or not at all. Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24265	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Internet Courtesy

After someone copied the entire yesterdays entire S-trains emails back to the group when they sent a reply, it's time for a review of Internet courtesy. In your browser e-mail program there is a way to reply to messages where you copy the original message back with your reply, and there is a way to reply without copying the original message back. When you reply to this group, please choose the 'Don't copy the original message option'. That way the six hundred or so people on this bulletin board don't have to read yesterday's entire e-mails with your new one. If you choose not to use this option, then send a new e-mail to s-trains@yahoogroups.com rather than replying. Make the subject pertinent to your message (such as 'Coupler Problem' or 'New S-Gauge Locomotive' rather than 'Digest 1546'). Following these suggestions will make the S-Trains board a more pleasant place to visit and read. Thanks, Roger Delthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24266	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: K-Line S gauge Cars

I think that we should welcome all manufacturers entering the S gauge market. Several years ago when I thought about getting an S gauge set for my grandkids, I watched them 'play' with my trains and realized that the new S gauge cars were too fragile or expensive for playing with. It was not good for my blood pressure. It was original Gilbert cars or nothing. K-Line is offering to fill that need for probably more robust and attractively priced 'toy' trains. We should be thrilled to have them offering products that may help to interest the youngest generation in trains to fill the ranks as us old codgers start to leave the scene. The only ones who might not welcome the new entries into the market are the current S gauge manufacturers. Immediately this will mean more competition for them. However if this attracts new younger members into the hobby, in the long term this could mean a greater market for their more sophisticated products in the future. Another thought is that with Lionel pumping up their offerings, and K-Line coming into S gauge, can MTH be far behind? Mike is not one to let grass grow under his feet, and I would expect that he will soon be entering the market. That should mean more riches for S gauge owners and operators. Regards, Roger Delthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24267	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/22/2003
Subject: Re: Internet Courtesy

**((( In your browser e-mail program there is a way to reply to messages where you copy the original message back with your reply, and there is a way to reply without copying the original message back. When you reply to this group, please choose the 'Don't copy the original message option'. That way the six hundred or so people on this bulletin board don't have to read yesterday's entire e-mails with your new one.)))**** Also the infamous delete button when returning mail/posts,.....deleting out the garbage before sending it back....and saving what ya want... as I just did with this one. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24268	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: Layout progress

Hi: My "connection was refused" when I tried to hook up to site below. Any way to get there? Tx for info. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) rkuepper wrote: >Weathers been so lousy I've had lots of time to work on the layout. I posted a few new pix at > >http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album08 > >Hope to make chat tomorrow. Have a great weekend. > >Dick > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24269	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Replies Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1785

There is another way, at least in Eudora e-mail: Highlight only the message you are replying to, and only as much as is necessary to the answer. --- Nick At 10:22 AM 2/23/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 00:47:59 EST > From: rpd5@... >Subject: Internet Courtesy > >After someone copied the entire yesterdays entire S-trains emails back to the >group when they sent a reply, it's time for a review of Internet courtesy. In >your browser e-mail program there is a way to reply to messages where you >copy the original message back with your reply, and there is a way to reply >without copying the original message back.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24270	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: Internet Courtesy - Oh Gosh another opinion

Thanks for the note, Roger, it is kindly and thoughtful. Naturally, as a member of this group of stalwarts, I have an idea for an improvement on it. When we reply to a note or when we continue a thread, it is good practice to include some of the previous information. In the last couple of weeks I have seen several replies to previous notes that were unintelligible. For instance, one of us likes what someone's else has said and replies: "I agree!" or something similar, without including the original text. Since I don't memorize everything typed into this forum, I rarely have any idea with what the new man is agreeing. Maybe the respondent is just agreeable (although that is unlikely among this bunch). I recommend that we perform a judicious edit of the original text. Delete the stuff that does not apply or that is a repeat. Pay special attention to the trailing add-on stuff that our message board creates. TRY NOT TO SHOUT unless you are complaining about a response that includes an entire day's digest. It might take an extra 30 seconds, but, that is a way to show our appreciation for our fellow S folk. I have one more suggestion that is a touch ego-centric. I read the daily notes without 'double-clicking' on the posts. That is, I select the notes in one pane of my mail program and read them in another. That is faster than bringing focus to the entire message, but, it shows only the top portion of any message unless I scroll down. When there is a response to a note where the new material is deep down there in the bottom or middle parts of the text, it takes longer and I tend to just delete them. My suggestion is to place our new text at the top of our replies. I can always scroll down to refresh my memory when I need to do so. Later, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 wpporter@... > -----Original Message----- > From: rpd5@... [mailto:rpd5@...] > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 12:48 AM > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Internet Courtesy > > > After someone copied the entire yesterdays entire S-trains emails > back to the . . . > your message (such as 'Coupler Problem' or 'New S-Gauge Locomotive' rather > than 'Digest 1546'). Following these suggestions will make the S-Trains board > a more pleasant place to visit and read. > > Thanks, > > Roger Delthony > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24271	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: wannabe couplers

In a message dated 2/22/03 11:45:49 PM, Cbtrainnut1@... writes: << I have to give my 2 cents worth on this. I can pull 28 cars mixed with flyer, S-Helper, and American models. I have only had coupler problems with the Old flyer and American models. Coincidence? I don't know, it just seems like those couplers can't handle the longer heavier loads. I now run those at the end of the train or not at all. Chris The Trainnut >> Most of the "Gilbert compatible" couplers will stay shut. That's a "lay down". The problems arise when one wishes to spot rolling stock and uncouple and couple in a yard. The original Gilberts are the most dependable, close with the least effort, and dependably respond to the remote uncouplers. The "compatibles" are only compatible in the sense that they are the same size, but their operation leaves much to be desired. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24272	From: knockbill	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Diesel pullmor wheel replacement

Hi John, To press wheels on straight, I use the drill press, with a rod of suitable size in the chuck,,,, for hand car chassis, I have a rod with a hole in it so the axles can protrude... It is easy to see how straight the work is progressing, as you can see the wheel because it is not covered by the jaws of the vise or wooden blocks... Just start both wheels by hand & support the bottom wheel on the drill press table( on a small block,or rod ), & press it on,, It has served me well for all my light press work.... Good luck John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24273	From: theheadliner	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: Internet Courtesy - Oh Gosh another opinion

Bill You hit the nail on the head. I want to add my 2 cents worth to your message about those who don't add enough of the original message to know what is going on. I don't know what is worse, those who send 10 yard-long emails with the entire thread, or the ones who delete everything and write a reply that no one except him understands. Half of the replies on this list will say something like, Attach the red wire to the A post, the blue wire to the B post and the white wire to the C post. Careful, don't attach the bluewire to the C post of the accessory will explode. I have to back through days or weeks of emails trying to figure out what I am going to explode if I attach the green wire wrong. Jerry === Bill Porter writes: > Thanks for the note, Roger, it is kindly and thoughtful. Naturally, as a > member of this group of stalwarts, I have an idea for an improvement on it. > When we reply to a note or when we continue a thread, it is good practice to > include some of the previous information. In the last couple of weeks I have > seen several replies to previous notes that were unintelligible. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email at http://quickmail.quickhosts.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24274	From: eric.reis	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Test

Test message, Yahoo in its wisdom shut off my account again, so here goes a startup test Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24275	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: internet courtesy

As a courtesy, I think that people ought to sign their real names to S-list postings. This is not a sexual site or a political site, and there's no reason whatsoever for anonymity. Personal information is not being exchanged. In a lot of forums, anonymity can aid the flow of 'conversation', but that is not true here. .Most of the long-time members have always used their full names, but many who have joined recently either use a pseudonym or a first name only, and it has changed the atmosphere of the list in a negative way. It makes me uncomfortable not to know who I am communicating with. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24276	From: Audrey M Berger	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: broken tabs

Hi, As I was replacing the fingers on the reverser on my 300 ac,one of the tabs that hold the fingers tight broke off.What is the best way to fix this problem?Any help is greatly appreciated. Mike Berger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24277	From: louis glumac	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: storage???

----- Original Message ----- > Hi,,, any good ideas on how to store cars and engines?? i have to many to put out,,,,,,thanks,,lou. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24278	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: storage???

I found a way I use...I buy the cardboard storage boxes..The file type that uou fold up....After assembly I cut them down to 4" high...This will holsd a lot of different sets....I also use these for cars...etc....If you go to Office depot or Office max they usually have the 6 for about 6.00...Doing this makes all boxes iniform sizes...Of course you can use the boxes uncut....One box will hold the Christmas set minus 1 car...Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > > Hi,,, any good ideas on how to store cars and engines?? i have to many to

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24279	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: internet courtesy

Tom..I agree...I have been sluffing off lately by just not putting my full name...Bob Conner...As I figure most know my e-mail and name relate...When you type with one finger...you have a tendency to shorten thngs....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] internet courtesy > As a courtesy, I think that people ought to sign their real names to S-list > postings. This is not a sexual site or a political site, and there's no > reason whatsoever for anonymity. Personal information is not being > exchanged. In a lot of forums, anonymity can aid the flow of > 'conversation', but that is not true here. > > .Most of the long-time members have always used their full names, but many > who have joined recently either use a pseudonym or a first name only, and > it has changed the atmosphere of the list in a negative way. It makes me > uncomfortable not to know who I am communicating with. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24280	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: storage???

I found that you can go to a box store or order on line boxes that for about 25 cents per box fit each car, then buy a master carton for the set. Or just a box for the set for under $1.00. The advantage to this is you can buy the exact size you need. Try this link for sizes & costs <A HREF="http://www.veripack.com//Product/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=120&DeptPath%5Fid=120&HeaderName=Boxes&mscssid=J06S78UM1JS92MWG00S7N3EJLENC4449">Details</A> . They are a bit higher then some. You can do better if you can go & pick them up from a store that sells nothing but boxes. Mike Strickland (formerly Mike S.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24281	From: John G	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Wheel puller

I have had inquires regarding how I pulled the wheels off my diesel. Here is a photo(slightly enlarged) of the puller I made: http://members.trainorders.com/notcoldenough/jg/whlpuller.jpg Material: battery terminal puller from auto parts store (~$5) file electric drill (drill press preferred) 1 hour of time. Remove the threaded bolt from the puller, remove the handle from the bolt & then chuck it into the drill and file the end down to a narrow shaft as shown in the photo. You will also need to file the jaws so that can fit behind the wheels. You can also buy commercially made pullers from various train supply vendors for about $30. John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24282	From: TCS	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: MPHS - MoPac Modelers Showcase Gallery

My good friend Todd Greuter has now made a page that shows my layout and some of the models that I have built over the years, url below. Now I just got a digital camera and the lighting is not very good in the ole basement, but you'll get the idea of what it looks like. Hopefully this summer I'll expand it. http://mopac.org/models_stolte.html --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/ --- ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24283	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Gilbert compatible

Most of the "Gilbert compatible" couplers will stay shut......The "compatibles" are only compatible in the sense that they are the same size, but their operation leaves much to be desired. RB I se what you mean now, I just run mine in circles. Love those trains! Chris The Trainnut MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24284	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: storage???

I like the 18 gal. Rubbermaid storage bins. They stack nice. A lot of my rolling stock have the original boxes,...I sometimes find small boxes at work that work well, and mark them with a black "Sharpie".Buying some boxes that would be more the right size seems like a good idea, and it is nice to have boxes for the better rolling stock! Most of my locos are on a shelf, inside a cabinet in the garage,...some on display in the house. I have even drug home wine/booze boxes with cardboard dividers,...and place individually wrapped rolling stock in them. I like un-used newsprint for wrapping. I have one 18gal. bin full of track,..and soon will start another as I keep buying track w/roadbed! My Plasticville is pretty much all in one bin, (when not in use)...the items that can be boxed any way,...some glued pieces sit on shelves. I use the 18 gal. bins for a lot of Christmas layout goodies,.. Hot Wheels,..AF parts and junk,...you name it! Lloyd Richard Evans Jr. (it's me....Rick!!) :^) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24285	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Storage

Hi Lou, The best way to store them is to send them to me in Dayton. I will put them on my shelves or on my layout and run them for you so they don't sieze up in rubbermaid tubs. :} Chris The Trainnut Burger MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24286	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Chariots and Ruts

Chris, I was wondering and I knew you would know, was the Lionel three rail track patterned after a very narrow wagon road or was there some civilization in the past that perhaps rode tricycles? gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24287	From: Clark Womack	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: 4 "S" scale small trucks on E-Bay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3117596782 Clark Womack clarkw@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24288	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, February 23, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24289	From: AF336	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Reproduction horns vs Original

What are the telltale signs that distinguish a reproduction horn from an original. Mark Kiner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24290	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: Reproduction horns vs Original

OK....I will bite...How do you tell a repro that was made 20+ years ago!!!!..Or was it a repro....need to know because I have had a couple from about 1983 and I need to put one on an Alco....BOB CONNER ----- Original Message ----- From: "AF336" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reproduction horns vs Original > What are the telltale signs that distinguish a reproduction horn from an original. > > Mark Kiner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24291	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Train cars on ebay

If any of you collect/run 3 rail stuff, I just put four "L" post war flatcars with helicopter loads on Ebay. One of them is a hard to find version. They start at 7 PM tonight (2/23) California time, I believe. Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24292	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: storage???

Louis, Well, I guess I can give out my "secret" for storage. I use Orange boxes, and put soda can flats in them. The flats just fit in the crates, and are deep enough to hold ACG cars on their sides. You can stack about four flats in a crate, and the crates can be stacked easily. Cost?? FREE!!! if you know the grocery stocker! S' David D. PS Apple boxes work better for track storage. PPS, for long term storage, I'd put down some acid-free paper in the flats to protect the train finish.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24293	From: keith kuzma	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: scottdeeoo

scottdee00,CONTACT ME OFF-LIST PLEASE.KEITH __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24294	From: firex43	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Alco Repro Horns vs. Original AF

My experience has been that comparing a repro vs. original AF Alco horn, the distinction is in the size; repros are slightly larger than original horns; both in length and size of trumpets and overall width of the three trumpet arrangement. Place a repro next to a known original and you'll see the difference. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24295	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: Reproduction horns vs Original

In a message dated 2/23/03 7:06:47 PM, AF336@... writes: << What are the telltale signs that distinguish a reproduction horn from an original. Mark Kiner >> Original horns are slightly smaller and made of a more glossy black plastic than the repros, and have subtle injection molding sink marks (usually in the cross members) between the horns. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24296	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: 4 "S" scale small trucks on E-Bay

In a message dated 02/23/2003 3:51:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, clarkw@... writes: > <A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3117596782">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3117596782</A> Are you sure these are 1/64th? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24297	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Subject: Re: storage???

I use some boxes and soda flats, but also use a bunch of the boxes used for storing collectors cards. They are about train height and have internal separators that are spaced about right as well. A little thin foam padding keeps the cardboard from chafing the paint. They are strong enough to hold a bunch of locos, but not the longer loco/tender combinations. Jim Armstrong

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24298	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: 4 "S" scale small trucks on E-Bay

These are part of the Chevron Christmastime Truck series (some of which are quite collectable) and were made by Lleddo (Days gone By series). They were marketed as 1/64, but some are smaller, some are a bit larger. The green pickup w/oil cans in the back is really cool looking, and looks right, and actually the others aren't bad either. I have a bunch of them for my layout! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24299	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: 4 "S" scale small trucks on E-Bay

David Dewey wrote....***(((These are part of the Chevron Christmastime Truck series (some of which are quite collectable) and were made by Lleddo (Days gone By series). They were marketed as 1/64, but some are smaller, some are a bit larger. The green pickup w/oil cans in the back is really cool looking, and looks right, and actually the others aren't bad either. I have a bunch of them for my layout!)))**** I too,...have a bunch for layout purposes,....actually my layout is TOO small to use then all at one time. I have found a few around here and there, and got an almost complete set off of ebay for a REALLY good (cheap) price. I just got three Lleddo Hershey Chocolate trucks off ebay,....I also buy the older Matchbox Model "T" and "A" delivery trucks,... I have way too many, but can't resist when I see them in a different logo from what I have!! I have quite a few of them on display. The Chevron (Lleddo) trucks can be found a antique stores and the like,...and sometimes have a "pricey" tag on them. Great to find them at swap meets and such,....I've even bought a few Lleddo trucks cheap at train shows. As David points out,....the "size" does vary!! Lloyd Richard Evans Jr. PS.....I LOVE my cable modem!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24300	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: Re: 4 "S" scale small trucks on E-Bay

**(((The green pickup w/oil cans {1939 Chevy} in the back is really cool looking, and looks right, and actually the others aren't bad either.)))*** But isn't that truck a little large for 1/64th?? Cool truck,...but looks big compared to my Racing Champions P-Ups,...that are 1/60th to about 1/64th. (I know that Racing Champions sizes vary also,...according to the size that is stated on the box) Rick . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24301	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/23/2003
Subject: I agree!

I agree! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24302	From: AF336	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: I agree!

LOL, ME TOO! MARK KINER > I agree! > Chris Zizzo >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24303	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: I agree!

I strongly disagree! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24304	From: Steve Roche	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Storage

Ror years I would store engines and trains in computer keyboard boxes wrapped in plain paper. Each box could hold several cars or engines. Last year I bought two plastic storage cabinets from Office Max. Each one has 6 plastic drawers and come with casters. The drawers are sized to handle 6 or 7 standard size cars length wise or 4 long cars width wise. I put a spacer between each car. I label the outside of every drawer and put up on a shelf in the closet. Works slick. For track and accessories I go to my local Kinco's and get copy paper boxes. These are perfect for storing track (90 pcs. per box w roadbed, 180 pcs. without) Hope this helps. Steve Roche [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24305	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Crown Model Products

This is a late answer, but we've been away a week. Unsure if anyone else has already answered this. Crown Model Products produced and decorated the Crown S wood-sided, steel roof & ends reefers. Port Lines handled all wholesale distribution of those cars, as well as retailed them ourselves. When I was doing the exclusive distribution of Crown S reefers, they were packaged just as AM does....you either ordered a highrail version (which included SHS trucks and couplers), or a scale version (SHS trucks only). For a brief time, when we had no supply of SHS trucks, we used ACE trucks, but only two or three roadnames had these. We did about 12-13 different roadnames before Crown pulled the plug on everything. I actually don't know what's going on with Crown products anymore. I heard that the business has been sold....or PARTS of the business...., but I'm really not sure. At this time, I'm not aware that anyone new is producing the Crown S reefers. If they are, they no longer go through us! We still have Crown reefers left in three roadnames, as found on our website. All other roadnames are sold out. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 New Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: rancidponcho <ericb@...> [mailto:ericb@...] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:21 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Scale] Crown Model Products Hi, Are the Crown products scale or Flyer? Who makes the items that they decorate? Any info appreciated. Thanks. -Eric To see or post Photos visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24306	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] I agree!

So what is it that everyone is agreeing or disagreing about? I believe in conserving bandwidth, but not at the sacrifice of communication. Roy Inman ---------- > From: "bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...>" <bull_gator_1@...> > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:10:48 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I agree! > > I strongly disagree! > > BG1 > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24307	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: Storage

**((( store engines and trains in computer keyboard boxes wrapped in plain paper. Each box could hold several cars or engines. )))*** That reminds me,....I did bring home from work,...two or three nice cardboard boxes with foam lining, ...I believe keyboards were packed in them,.....will make great boxes for locos!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24308	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1786

----- Original Message ----- > Hi,,, any good ideas on how to store cars and engines?? i have to many to put out,,,,,,thanks,,lou. > I use Cristal Champagne gold boxes...can hold a 12 1/2 engine doesn't everybody? Tom Hillery ( oh yeah I also have a drill press in my Bentley)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24309	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] I agree!

I agree! I second the notion! RK13 --- --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: So what is it that everyone is agreeing or disagreing about? I believe in conserving bandwidth, but not at the sacrifice of communication. Roy Inman ---------- From: "bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@y...>" <bull_gator_1@y...> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:10:48 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I agree! I strongly disagree! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24310	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: MARX CONVERSIONS

MARXS CONVERSIONS: I just recently got some packages with Marx plastic cars. Many of these are, actually, S size. Namely: 40 foot gondola, 40 foot Santa Fe brown stock car, 40 foot boxcar with closed doors, three dome tanker (also offered by K-Line), single dome tanker, and the very popular, (NYC)large Northeastern caboose. The caboose is the same width as AF and is a little taller and longer but not out of scale with S as other cabooses have these dimensions. I won a converted Marx gondola on ebay a few months ago and it sure is a nice model and it is the same width as the AF gondola. I remember seeing the Marx cabooses before at a train dealer about a decade ago. The dealer had told me that many of the Marx cars are convertable to S and that he knew of people that have done it. Now I finally have two of the cabooses and another one is on the way. The Marx cars make nice additions to S in terms of adding much needed variety and they are relatively inexpensive, so it is a good way to bulk up the train layout! K-Line is making a couple of Marx cars that have been in their 0-27 line-up: The three dome tanker and the boxcar with the opening doors. There are definitly other Marx cars that they can come out with and all they need is a suitable locomotive and they can come up with inexpensive S starter sets that are sure to be impressive! I think that those on this list need to let K-Line know specifically what we want and the roadnames. Of the K-Line S offerings: Regarding the boxcar with the opening doors, I do not have this particular model, but I think I will get to see one this week. Regarding the tankers: There is definitly a need for the tankers, and I never had a Hooker tank car, and now I will finally be able to get one! Robby King

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24311	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] I agree!

But no, no wait. The point was to clarify, not obfuscate!! Roy Inman ---------- > From: "robbyking13 <robbyking13@...>" <robbyking13@...> > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:45:16 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] I agree! > > I agree! I second the notion! > RK13 > --- > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > So what is it that everyone is agreeing or disagreing about? > I believe in conserving bandwidth, but not at the sacrifice of > communication. > Roy Inman > ---------- > From: "bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@y...>" <bull_gator_1@y...> > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:10:48 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I agree! > > I strongly disagree! > > BG1 > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24312	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: FW: K-Line 2003 FE Catalog

To S-List, FYI: Here is a link to discounted K-Line S cars: savetherails.com I have dealt with Robert Middour. His prices are competitive and service is excellent See below. Roy Inman ---------- > From: Robert Middour <rmiddour41@...> > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:28:14 -0500 > To: Yarbrough1995@..., willallen3@..., traintraveler27616@..., > NHVRWY@..., thawker@..., tmandler@..., Ted.Meleky@..., > bigboyy2g@..., rinphoto@..., dad41@..., > rob@..., taylorr@... > Cc: cbtraindad@..., jerrysha34@..., mikielyon@..., > fred_gillespie@..., jamsteph@..., jfbennettsc@... > Subject: K-Line 2003 FE Catalog > > Hi: > > You must be wondering why you have not received your 2003 K-Line catalog ... > it is late because of the "big" snow storm. I expect to receive a shipment > next week. This catalog has 164 pages! > > If you would like to see all the new items, please go to the K-Line > web-site: http://www.k-linetrains.com > > To see a list of STR discounted prices, please go to our web-site: > http://savetherails.com We have the "whole" catalog price list on line. > > We are again offering an early buy program of 20% off items that don't have > motors and wheels. Engine discounts vary between 14% to 25% off. Please > call or e-mail the engine you wish to purchase for a price quote. The early > buy will terminate on March 23. > > Thank you for your business in 2002 and we look forward to serving your > model railroad needs in 2003. > > Robert > ******************************************* > Save The Rails, LLC > A K-Line Electric Trains Authorized Retailer > Phone hours (EST): M-Thu 9am to 9pm, Friday: 9am to 5pm > Saturday and Sunday 1pm to 5pm > Phones: 919 929-9040 or 919 942-3509 > Fax: 919 929-9040 > Toll Free: 877 232-2719 > Accept Visa and Master Cards > Web-Site: http://savetherails.com > TCA: 90-31743 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24313	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] I agree!

I agree! I understood! RK13 --- --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: But no, no wait. The point was to clarify, not obfuscate!! Roy Inman ---------- From: "robbyking13 <robbyking13@h...>" <robbyking13@h...> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:45:16 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] I agree! I agree! I second the notion! RK13 --- --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: So what is it that everyone is agreeing or disagreing about? I believe in conserving bandwidth, but not at the sacrifice of communication. Roy Inman ---------- From: "bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@y...>" <bull_gator_1@y...> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:10:48 +0000 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I agree! I strongly disagree! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24314	From: jackotrains	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: 1998 AF Holidat Gondolaw/ Trees

If anybody wants one of these cars, M & G Hobbies in Delran, New Jersey has two NOS @ $39.95 each.They had three but I got one this afternoon. This is a hard car to find new, so at $39.95, I think it is worth it. Tell Mark or George that "trainrector" sent you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24315	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] I agree!

I agree except I really disagree on the other item....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <robbyking13@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] I agree! > I agree! I understood! > RK13 > --- > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > But no, no wait. > The point was to clarify, not obfuscate!! > Roy Inman > > ---------- > From: "robbyking13 <robbyking13@h...>" <robbyking13@h...> > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:45:16 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] I agree! > > I agree! I second the notion! > RK13 > --- > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > > So what is it that everyone is agreeing or disagreing about? > I believe in conserving bandwidth, but not at the sacrifice of > communication. > Roy Inman > ---------- > From: "bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@y...>" <bull_gator_1@y...> > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:10:48 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I agree! > > I strongly disagree! > > BG1 > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24316	From: trzp1800	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Putt Trains Mogul and 0-6-0

Hi: Have y'all seen that putt trains is going to offer the Rex mogul and 0-6-0? Wish i had more $$$. Hope after this they re-issue the docksider. Regards, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24317	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Latest Poll - and still counting

Thanks you to all who voted in the latest poll. Here are the interim results: Agree 5 Disagree 2 Obfuscate 1 Orange Crate 3 I'll keep you all posted on this new method of promoting the scale. Later, Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 wpporter@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24318	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: Latest Poll - and still counting

Bill, The energizer bunny will be upset... I would like to file an official complaint (but I refuse to use my last name!) for an appropriate (by your state residence) Florida style re-count - I know there are under votes lurking around out there... What happened to my "Depending" and "Maybe" votes?... and what about the mail-in votes? Doe this dilemma have to go to the supreme court... Chris, would you do an investigative report thread on this one... Keep smiling... Scott Dee (The D is for defiant!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24319	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: I agree!

Gee, on the one hand. . . But on the other hand. . . . (Is that fiddler still out on the roof?) S' David D. (AKA: David John Dewey--AKA Traindavid, AKA "Two Rails" Dewey, AKA "T Monk") "It was that way when I got here!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24320	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Re: Storage

That reminds me, my original locomotive storage box, from 'way back when-1975' was/is a Bonaza Block Party Fireworks box! Gee, maybe I can sell the box on eBay??!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24321	From: rexputt	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Rex Mogul 2-6-0 & 0-6-0 Switcher

Putt Trains is accepting deposits for the Rex mogul and switcher. www.putttrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24322	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: I agree!

I'm disagreeable. Jerry James Memmer,aka.afjerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24323	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: I agree!

In a message dated 02/24/2003 8:53:07 PM Mountain Standard Time, jjmemmer@... writes: > > > I'm disagreeable. > > Jerry James Memmer,aka.afjerry > > I disagree with that, you are most likely reprehensible like all the others.. Stephen G. Blackburn , TCA, NASG, RMHR, USAF, DOPE, SNS, FOOL, Boise in Idaho, United States of America, North American Continent, Planet Earth in the Sol system of the Milky Way Galaxy, of the known Universe..... AKA Boss31@..............Write it down! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24324	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/24/2003
Subject: Vendor Information Request - The Gilbert Guru ???

S-Gaugers, Have any of you ever heard of this vendor? He's active on E-bay. Any history information or experience positive or negative? How do prices compare with the other suppliers? Thank You, Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24325	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: E-Bay

Never tried to sell anything on e-Bay. I have an extra Ertle County Fair boxed set. Any ideas where it should be listed under? Thanks Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24326	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: 027 Lionel HI double door box car

Someone was going to change the doors. I have one converted and 2 more to do, so can you direct me to pictures and parts for changing the look? Thanks Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24327	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: wanted, old tender trucks.

Wanted old tender trucks. I could use some ACE power trucks, but was there not a truck with a leaf spring in a Achebar design? Need trucks for a 4-4-0 and a Baldwin 2-6-0 with the big smoke stacks. Thanks Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24328	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Putt Trains Mogul and 0-6-0

Yes I noticed that they were going to do that. Possibly they could get some better pictures of the two on their site. Does anyone know if the RtoR models (B&O, PRR, New Haven, and ATSF) will have sounds in AC or DC? They do have optional smoke and valve gear. Also, will the actual models for the Moguls be different for all the lines, or will they be only different in their lettering and numbering? Also, how about the ease of converting from AC to DC or DCC? Rance Velapoldi trzp1800 wrote: >Hi: >Have y'all seen that putt trains is going to offer the Rex mogul and >0-6-0? Wish i had more $$$. Hope after this they re-issue the >docksider. >Regards, >Ted > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24329	From: Steve Roche	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Guru

I recently bought a new chassis for an Alco from him as well as a few other parts. During the process of aranging payment we had a few emails go back and forth. Apparentlyhe has accumulated a large stock of original parts over the years and is just now putting it online. I bought several other items from him and was impressed. The Alco chassis was flawless. I give a big thumbs up. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24330	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Digest #1781

Yahoo is still messing with my emails, can someone please resend me Digest #1781 to me. Thanks AL ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24331	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Vendor Information Request - The Gilbert Guru ???

I contacted this vendor a month or so ago for information. At first he said the "Gilbert Guru" was a partner of his named Fred Yanks, later he sent me the following information. >Good day! I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. My partner would not like it known that he is selling on Ebay - alot of the people who he sells to also sell his parts on Ebay, or other internet venues. We try and be fair with our shipping charges, but the postage is just one of factors used to calculate the shipping. Direct business would probably save you some money. Are there some particular items you would like a quote on? With respect to the quality of the parts we sell - The Gilbert Guru has been working the Train Shows for years, I believe him to be an excellent judge of the quality of S Gauge reproductions.< It appears he is fronting for this other person, who ever he is. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@h...> wrote: > > S-Gaugers, > > Have any of you ever heard of this vendor? > > He's active on E-bay. > > Any history information or experience positive or negative? > > How do prices compare with the other suppliers? > Thank You, > Scott Dee > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24332	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Leaving S gauge

I believe that I will go back to HO and pack my Flyer back up. This group is not what I thought it would be. Its really disappointing. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24333	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

How about trading ho for Flyer..I have a few hundred ho cars...Mostly Athearn or Mdc...Smoe of the Athearn have prices on the boxes of .98 and 1.49...so they are old and Very Collectable...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <JConn444@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Leaving S gauge > I believe that I will go back to HO and pack my Flyer back up. This group is > not what I thought it would be. Its really disappointing. John > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24334	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

John, Give us a chance! What did you expect this group to be? How long have you "lurked" here to figure us out? We are a very diverse bunch, and as moderators, we tend to be a bit "loose" about what is posted, as long as it doesn't seem to be attacking individuals, or get too political (attacking individuals doesn't count when it comes to calling me "Duck" or razzing Rick about his BBQ). I am posting this to the group too, just in case we all need to 'rethink' what we are posting here. Sometimes we have a little "comic relief" as the "I Agree" posts have been, but we also do share a lot of valuable information on keeping old ACG stuff running, and problems with new S stuff, as well as product announcements. From this group I have developed real friends in far away places, like Boise, ID (This is a dig at Steve & John, BTW-it's the farthest away place I could think of! :-) )--BTW, I am in N. California--and found buddies in Florida, Norway, also Australia; found a near-brother in St. Louis area, and another good friend in Southern California (he probably doesn't consider SLO "southern," but we do!). So with all this fun with S, what did we do wrong? S'incerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24335	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Leaving S gauge

John, Sorry to hear that you are getting out of the "ideal scale." My thinking is that there must be other reasons than the sometimes rude, raucous, dumb, uninformed and just plain silly comments by people, such as myself. But as David Dewey pointed out, there really is lots of good info posted with frequency. And in every case that I can recall, when someone posts a question, newbie or old-timer, many, many on the list rush to help out. If fact, IMHO, this list can be said to be a microcosm of America: We fight and banter, express ourselves, rant and rave, because, thank God, we have the freedom to do so-not to the point of injuring others, but in a heady exchange of ideas. In truth, we all get a little carried away sometimes... My firm belief, however, is that most of the folks on the list have a heart of gold, a passion for S gauge, and will bend over backwards to help in any way. But what ever is the entire story behind your leaving S, I hope you will bundle up your old Flyer stuff and send it all to me :>> Regards, Roy Inman ---------- > From: JConn444@... > Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:45:04 -0500 (EST) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Leaving S gauge > > I believe that I will go back to HO and pack my Flyer back up. This group is > not what I thought it would be. Its really disappointing. John > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24336	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Leaving S gauge

John, Since it's HO you want to go back to, you might consider going instead to S "scale" as an alternative to AF. Nothing wrong with AF but I'd rather see someone use S scale rather than HO if that's the choice.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24337	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

DUCT...( I once knew an Architect who would always put DUCK on all the Ductwork )....Anyway....What about Rance? Norway? Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <JConn444@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Leaving S gauge > John, > Give us a chance! What did you expect this group to be? How long have > you "lurked" here to figure us out? We are a very diverse bunch, and as > moderators, we tend to be a bit "loose" about what is posted, as long as it > doesn't seem to be attacking individuals, or get too political (attacking > individuals doesn't count when it comes to calling me "Duck" or razzing Rick > about his BBQ). I am posting this to the group too, just in case we all need > to 'rethink' what we are posting here. > Sometimes we have a little "comic relief" as the "I Agree" posts have > been, but we also do share a lot of valuable information on keeping old ACG > stuff running, and problems with new S stuff, as well as product > announcements. > From this group I have developed real friends in far away places, like > Boise, ID (This is a dig at Steve & John, BTW-it's the farthest away place I > could think of! :-) )--BTW, I am in N. California--and found buddies in > Florida, Norway, also Australia; found a near-brother in St. Louis area, and > another good friend in Southern California (he probably doesn't consider SLO > "southern," but we do!). > So with all this fun with S, what did we do wrong? > S'incerely, > David Dewey > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24338	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: E-Bay

List it under "S" or American Flyer...Catagory 480..or 19015 which is toys and hobbies ....try a search using some of the title names that follows...Use a title something like " 1/64 Ertl Farm Country County Fair Set "...Expect about 14 - 20.00 tops....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S Scale group" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] E-Bay > Never tried to sell anything on e-Bay. I have an > extra Ertle County Fair boxed set. > > Any ideas where it should be listed under? > Thanks > Jim Sleeth > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24339	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: E-Bay

***(((List it under "S" or American Flyer...Catagory 480..or 19015 which is toys and hobbies ....try a search using some of the title names that follows...Use a title something like " 1/64 Ertl Farm Country County Fair Set "...Expect about 14 - 20.00 tops....Bob Conner)))*** I agree with Bob,....The Flyer catagory would be my first choice,.......about a year (maybe two) ago,... I was bidding on a lot of Ertl building sets,....I would just do a search on "Ertl",..quite a few Ertl Farm Country,.. or whatever they are called, showed up.....but heck if I know where they were listed!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24340	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

If you receive posts through email from the "S" List....you owe it to yourself to read the back posts at the site,..if you are looking for a lot of info that is. When I joined this group three years ago,...I spent a lot time reading back posts,..very informative!! I too,...am curious to why you find the list disappointing. I really hate to think that some of us "S"ers are making you go BACK to HO!!! If you really like your old Flyer, you shouldn't let US get in the way,....maybe in your heart, your love is really for HO. Hope you stick around!! Rick "The almost So. Cal. guy" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24341	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Putt Trains Mogul and 0-6-0

Pardon the ignorance, but what is the optional valve gear that is spoken about? If that pertains to the side valves, I'm surprised that is OPTIONAL as that level of detail is prototypical! Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24342	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

Whats the group got to do with liking "S" ga. & AF or not. I dont have much to say on "S" but would not give it up for anything. Been in it over 30 years now and still enjoy it greatly. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24343	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Putt Trains Mogul and 0-6-0

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jnr59@a... wrote: Pardon the ignorance, but what is the optional valve gear that is spoken about? If that pertains to the side valves, I'm surprised that is OPTIONAL as that level of detail is prototypical! Jack Riely Jack, Yes, that refers to the side valves. Valve gear has always been optional with Rex (the original owners of the kits) from back in the early 1950s when the docksider and suburban were first marketed. When the 0-6-0 and 2-6-0 were introduced in the 1960s, valve gear was still optional. Walt Danylak

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24344	From: mlmarmer	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

Hi Harwood! I saw your post on the response about John leaving S gauge and I have learned allot about S and AF from you in the past 10 years or so, as you do have allot of knowledge about the subject. And I do know how much you do enjoy the gauge and will help anyone out with any questions on the subject matter. Sorry to read about John's disappointment on this list, as I have learn allot more about S and AF from others on this list and have made some new friends also. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOwingsiii@...> To: <JConn444@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Leaving S gauge > Whats the group got to do with liking "S" ga. & AF or not. I dont have much > to say on "S" but would not give it up for anything. Been in it over 30 > years now and still enjoy it greatly. > > Harwood > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24345	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Leaving S gauge - Can You Tell Us More About Why?

John, sorry to lose you if your decision is final. So that we can do better in the future, can you help us with answers to some questions: - Were you disappointed in S scale or in this particular discussion group? - If it was S scale, did you purchase any S scale motive power/rolling stock other than American Flyer? Regards. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24346	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: bad E-Bay seller warning

Hi guys, I won a "Buy it now" auction on an American Flyer light on Ebay. I've tried to go back and look at the seller's E-bay name but by the time I received the product it was more than the 30 days that E-bay keeps that information. Anyway, I e-mailed the seller to ask for shipping costs. I included the quoted amount in my check and sent it on its way. Three weeks later I get my check back with the seller saying he mixed up his auctions and asking for more shipping. I sent the additional shipping as I figured the product was still worth what I payed. I was wrong! The silkscreened glass on the front has 12 finger smudges, the wooden sides are covered with planer gouges, and the edges of the box don't fit together correctly. I sent a letter to the seller a month ago requesting that he make the transaction right. I have not heard a word from him. The seller is Steve Young from Key Manufacturing in Cedar Grove, NJ. Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24347	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: bad E-Bay seller warning

Well if this is warn others about bad e-Bay sellers, then time to mention PitBull7... name says it all! Anytime someone questions this guy, he fires back a negative feed back about how studpid the buyer was, no common sense. He's some sort of train dealer. So he should know what he is selling and represent it as it really is. In my case that was a Danger Bell with a cracked bell, thus no bell chime. I only commented in the nuteral feed back that the seller was short in the emails, got a flaming feedback in response. PitBull for sure! On that note, I went to the train show over at the DuPage County Fairground... one dealer offering AF replacement parts only was trying to sell three cracked bells. What a crack... literally! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24348	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: pitbull7

Does this guy operate out of the Philly area ? Smitty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24349	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: pitbull7

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 02:32:31 -0000, "tomsmitty2001" <strider1102@...> wrote: >Does this guy operate out of the Philly area ? I thought I remembered NY. Many people have responded to his feed back that he acts like most people think NY people act. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24350	From: eddiee456	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Vendor Information Request - The Gilbert Guru ???

I recently was the high bidder for a lionel repoduction of the 779 barrel loader. his shipping was really fast. and the product was still new in the box. I am also interested in the quality of his small reproduction parts. Ed Vogler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24351	From: eddiee456	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

I have only been a member of this group for about a month or so and find it VERY informative. I spent a alot of time reading back post and kept up with the current ones. sometimes I will pass over a post that does not interest me. Everyone has a right to voice their opinion and not everyone has to agree with it. You can't hold it against someone if they say something you don't like or agree with, you can ignore them or state your apinion. Sorry to loose you from the group, I hope you'll come back soon. Ed Vogler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24352	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: pitbull7

I don't mean to jump on the bandwagon here, but I too have had a bad experience with Pitbull7. I bought a 312 SIT that when it came was missing the smoke unit. I e-mailed my concerns and he took a long time to respond. To make a long story short, he claimed that by the time we agreed on what to do, it was too late and that he wouldn't accept it or offer a rebate. I have him on my do not buy from list. g

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24353	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

Yep, Rance is one of my "budds" but I met him before he moved there! S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24354	From: skendel	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge and The Gilbert Guru

I almost left S gauge. I got my first train for Christmas in 1957 - an American Flyer "Mountainer" freight set. I still have that train, in mint condition and in the original boxes. A couple of years ago I started buying AF, SHS and AM items on eBay. Today, I have a couple of hundred items of S engines, rolling stock, track, accessories and structures. Shortly after I started collecting, we moved into a larger home with an unused bedroom. Finally, I was to have the train room I had always wanted. After nearly two years of planning, bench work was begun a few weeks ago. However, the railroad I want to model isn't very well represented in S - Missouri Pacific. I grew up about a 1/4 mile from the MoPac tracks and dreamed of taking the Texas Eagle to places unknown. So, after much soul searching, I decided to sell all of my S (except for my original train) and start over in HO - a scale with a plethora of MoPac equipment. That brings us to the Gilbert Guru. About a week or 10 days ago, he offered a Flyonel MoPac Eagle passenger set, new in the unopened box. I purchased it, and I just got an e-mail from him stating that it went out on UPS today. Not having seen the product yet, I'm reserving final judgment on the Guru, but I will say that his e-mails were prompt and informative, and the price he asked for the MoPac set seemed fair and reasonable. He also gave a prompt and helpful response to my questions concerning handle clips for an 18B transformer, so I ordered them from him, also. As to another recent thread, I've ordered the MoPac Eagle boxcar from K-Line. It will probably look ungainly when placed in a consist with my SHS Eagle box, but I figured I could spare 20 bucks to do my small part in encouraging a manufacturer to offer S models. Needless to say, I staying with S. But, since I've already bought several HO MoPac engines and cars, I'm going to build a second layout in that gauge - probably in a somewhat "scale" mode. I've probably bitten off more than I can chew, considering most people spend years on one layout and never finish it. But, then, I'm a glutton for punishment. S' Skip Kendel P.S. I did leave the S-Scale group. Nothing against those guys, but there was too much rivet counting to interest me, and the posts that did interest me were mostly cross-posted to this group as well.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24355	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

Harwood wrote: >Whats the group got to do with liking "S" ga. & AF or not. That's what I wonder. The person must not be attached to S that much to dump it because of what goes on here. (Or doesn't.) Besides, if he thinks the HO lists are any different, he's in for a VERY rude awakening. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24356	From: Kielek Family	Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

Hi John! I just recently sold all my HO and Lionel O gauge to get back into AF S gauge! I did it because I like the challenge of fixing old AF and running these great trains. As for the people if met in this hobby(any scale!) most would be rather suspect of being out on a day pass!(myself included it's good for therapy!) But by and large I wouldn't change it for anything. This list has been a great help for me with respect to old AF. I'm thinking of going a little bit into scale myself, as I get the "itch" for scratchbuilding loco's. Mind you, I have also been thinking about some of those articulated AF engines I been seeing from some of these guys. S gauge is where it's at! I'd re-consider...Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <JConn444@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Leaving S gauge > I believe that I will go back to HO and pack my Flyer back up. This group is > not what I thought it would be. Its really disappointing. John > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24357	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

But I was still farther from you than Boise, Idaho. (I realize you were poking fun at Idaho, and thinking about it, anyplace would be pretty far from California!!)! Rance Velapoldi (Norway with roots and acorns in US and other countries) David Dewey wrote: >Yep, Rance is one of my "budds" but I met him before he moved there! >S' >David > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24358	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: use AF groups for NASG correspondence among board members or ????

It seems to me the American Flyer people want to post to the s trains groups and not their own. So the AF people accept the scale people, but not the other way??? There are 2 AF goups and I never get a post from either, so why not close them down, or make them a into promotional sites, AF HO sites, AF race car sites or NASG director to member sites. Maybe AF (Hot Rod) conversion sites. All you have to do is start posting. They exist and so we don't have to ask Yahoo for more sites. We don't want to lose them! Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24359	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

I have a feeling the fellow didn't stick around long enough to get to know us. Perhaps he expected this forum to be in magazine format; pictures and diagrams along with articles? I understand when a non "S" related subject gets hashed and rehashed to death here. That could be annoying to many. (I hope I am listening to myself ). I find here there is a great group of guys that will help each other at the drop of the hat. To me that is something I value a lot. I feel "S" trains is an elite hobby that is challenging. Elite because it takes a special kind of person to work around the challenges. Which is getting a layout or collection to a desired point of the "S gauger. Which could be one of many things. There are many "S" web sites that will grab the interest of anyone. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24360	From: IronHorse	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

Here is something I would like to run by you. When we get a new person on the list send him/her a welcome package. The package would consist of; A welcome, introduction letter. A list of "S" web sites. high rail and scale & AFG sites. There are many great sites out there in "S" gauge. A list of vendors where he can get "S" gauge items. Addresses of the nearest "S" gaugers to that person along with a club near him. Perhaps mail out a complimentary copy of "S" gauge mags. Provide info. on the NASG and NMRA. I leave anything out?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24361	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Leaving S Gauge

Yup, I'm leavin S gauge too. If I start selling off now, I should be done just before I die. Then, I'm outta here. And, CTTOT (come to think of it) this group ain't what I thought it would be either, so there. Once I'm dead, I'm not posting here any more. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24362	From: gino restivo	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: pitbull7

Hi all , pitbull7 is also on my DO NOT BUY LIST , rec item in broken condition ,with cigarette burn and the butt in packing , never returned e-mail about it .... it was a very poor packing job ..... GSR -----Original Message----- From: Gary Chidester <GChidester@...> To: Michael Lueck <pianoman@...>; S-trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] pitbull7 >I don't mean to jump on the bandwagon here, but I too have had a bad >experience with Pitbull7. I bought a 312 SIT that when it came was missing >the smoke unit. I e-mailed my concerns and he took a long time to respond. >To make a long story short, he claimed that by the time we agreed on what to >do, it was too late and that he wouldn't accept it or offer a rebate. I >have him on my do not buy from list. > >g > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24363	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: product number

A few weeks ago I posted a question about a couple of passeneger sets, the Pony Express and the Northern Pacific. I had thought they were repainted etc and asked would they be worth buying. Anyways......I ended up buying them and discovered the Pony Express set was a reissue by Lionel and the Northern Pacific was an original and it was never repainted after close examination. The Pony Express set has a few scratches on the name plates so I would like to replace them. I emailed Lionel and they told me I need a product number. Can any of you help me with that or let me know where I might find it? The other thing concerns the NP set. It came with an A-B and three vista domes and all the others of course. Was this just an extra car someone may have added to the set? The cars also have the rivet holes where they should be but no rivets. Greeneberg says some sets came that way. I hope the guy (whose name I forget) is still watching the list so that he may see just what you can get from asking questions. This list has answered many of mine. If I don't want to follow a particular thread, the delete key comes in handy :) Thanks! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24364	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Putt Trains Mogul and 0-6-0

Fireman Jack: "Well Casey, I got her burnin' bright an' hot for ya', jus' like you like 'er!" Engineer Casey: "Great Jack, 'cause we're an hour behind and I'm a gonna make up the time with my throttle! She's gonna learn to fly tonight!" FJ: "Give 'er two blasts, Case, there's the highball!" Whooooooo! Whoooooooo! Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss! Whoooooooooooooooooooooosh! SSSSSsssssssssssssssssssssssss! EC: "What the devil???" FJ: "What is it Casey? Open 'er up I tell ya!" EC: "I got the throttle cracked full, but she's just pissin' out steam. No movement atall!" Railroad Baron Bob: (Sticking his head into the cab) "Hi Casey, Oh Hi there Jack, could hardly see you through all this steam. Say, now might be a good time to tell you that I didn't exersize my option . . . you know, for the optional valve gear? Too much extra money. I saved a bundle! Oh, and Jack, you can bank that fire now. Imagine how much I'll save on coal!" Cut to- Homer Simpson: "D'OH!" I see Jack Benny as RBB. What do you think Mr. Mayer? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24365	From: Chris Foden	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

Sounds like a wonderful idea!!!! I'm new to 'S' gauge (American Flyer) since Christmas. I've listened to the comments from the S-Trains group and even joined in on the chat session, Sunday nights. Sometimes the comments from the 'List' get out of hand. However, someone commented that if there was no interest on that particular subject line - 'Just press 'Del''. Great plan and I've done just that at times. I have gathered up a number of web sites for great information, however, I'm sure there are more out there. Anyway enough from me, the suggestion from cofa 'aka IronHorse' sounds good from this new member. We need to support new members, this assistance will help the group grow and spread the word that 'S-gauge is BEST'! Chris Foden Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: IronHorse [mailto:cofa@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:43 PM To: mlmarmer Cc: JConn444@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; HOwingsiii@...; S-Scale@... Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Leaving S gauge Here is something I would like to run by you. When we get a new person on the list send him/her a welcome package. The package would consist of; A welcome, introduction letter. A list of "S" web sites. high rail and scale & AFG sites. There are many great sites out there in "S" gauge. A list of vendors where he can get "S" gauge items. Addresses of the nearest "S" gaugers to that person along with a club near him. Perhaps mail out a complimentary copy of "S" gauge mags. Provide info. on the NASG and NMRA. I leave anything out? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24366	From: jfrr54	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JConn444@a... wrote: > I believe that I will go back to HO and pack my Flyer back up. This group is > not what I thought it would be. Its really disappointing. John > John, if your total experience with S gauge is this list and playing with trains, then you are denying yourself 80% of the fun. S Scale modelling is virtually another world unto itself. S Gauge toy trains (aka American Flyer) is another segment of the group. Have you found a local S Gauge Club to run trains with? If not, you miss out on a great deal of the fun. Have you gone to any S Gauge conventions? Again, if you haven't you've missed out on that experience. S Gaugers are very passionate about 1/64 scale 3/16" trains. Some of us sit on the sidelines and watch and participate when we have time or energy or something to contribute. Others live S Trains. Many of the posters on this board live S Trains. I have learned a lot by reading these messages and gotten imput when I've had a problem to solve. Rather than getting messages every time they're posted, you can get a digest of messages once or twice a day. That's what I do. Then, I can quickly scan through the messages and read the ones that are on topics of interest to me and ignore the ones that are socializing. So, before you go, make sure you have looked at everything S has to offer. Trust me as you grow older that slightly larger size makes modelling much easier. John Rodgers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24367	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Blatant commercial!

(S-TRAINS NOTE: For those of you on Port Lines' Auto E-Mail list, you've already received the following. I'm duplicating it here, for the rest of you.) Copies of this mailing are going to those on the Bristol Club list, as well as the Port Lines' Customer List. You are receiving it as a "blind copy", which should prevent anyone else from obtaining your email address (as requested by several individuals). (1) Reminder--- Only about 4 days left to submit any pre-production orders for the 2003 "Flyonel" line and be guaranteed the minimum 15% discount off the MSRP. All items can be seen on our website. (2) K-LINE has just released their 2003 catalog. As anticipated, it includes 16 freight cars for S. Twelve boxcars and 4 tank cars are included in the line, all priced at $19.95 each, MSRP. All can be viewed on our website, and we are now accepting pre-production orders at a minimum discount of 15% off MSRP (0r about $17 per car). We do not yet have a firm deadline date for pre-prod orders, but it is expected to be around March 10th. (3) If you haven't heard, about half of the roof of the B&O RR Roundhouse Museum in Baltimore collapsed during last week's blizzard. They are still digging out and determining damage and loss of equipment within. (4) Nothing new in the AF Parts Dept, other than the recent arrival of the new Pullmor diesel wheels with vulcanized rubber tread and face. Those are in stock ($21.95 per pair), as well as the Pullmor steam driver rims (also with vulcanized rubber treads) at $15 per pair. We are awaiting a new supply of replacement "speed-up" pulleys for the MTH 785 Coal-Loader ($5.95); as soon as they arrive, we'll fill the many back-orders for those. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 New Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24368	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

I always recommend Paul Yorke's FAQ page. Its a great place get started. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm Steve Blancard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Foden" <chris.foden@...> To: "IronHorse" <cofa@...>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Cc: <JConn444@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <HOwingsiii@...>; <S-Scale@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:09 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Leaving S gauge > Sounds like a wonderful idea!!!! > > I'm new to 'S' gauge (American Flyer) since Christmas. I've listened to the > comments from the S-Trains group and even joined in on the chat session, > Sunday nights. Sometimes the comments from the 'List' get out of hand. > However, someone commented that if there was no interest on that particular > subject line - 'Just press 'Del''. Great plan and I've done just that at > times. > > I have gathered up a number of web sites for great information, however, I'm > sure there are more out there. > > Anyway enough from me, the suggestion from cofa 'aka IronHorse' sounds good > from this new member. We need to support new members, this assistance will > help the group grow and spread the word that 'S-gauge is BEST'! > > Chris Foden > Ontario, Canada > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IronHorse [mailto:cofa@...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:43 PM > To: mlmarmer > Cc: JConn444@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; HOwingsiii@...; > S-Scale@... > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Leaving S gauge > > Here is something I would like to run by you. > > When we get a new person on the list send him/her a welcome package. > The package would consist of; > A welcome, introduction letter. > A list of "S" web sites. high rail and scale & AFG sites. There are many > great > sites out there in "S" gauge. > A list of vendors where he can get "S" gauge items. > Addresses of the nearest "S" gaugers to that person along with a club near > him. > Perhaps mail out a complimentary copy of "S" gauge mags. > Provide info. on the NASG and NMRA. > > I leave anything out? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24369	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

You know, my enjoyment of American Flyer is not dependent on the quality of messages you guys post. If I don't like what you write, I will hit the Delete key, or if worse comes to worse, just won't read s-train messages. I am confused as to why anyone's train hobby enjoyment is that dependent on anyone else. I could probably run and enjoy my Flyer trains, even if I didn't have a computer, or belong to TCA. In fact, I have in the past! It nice to share with a group with simliar interests, but the group does not define me as a toy train hobbiest! I really hate to see us lose anyone along the way, but sometimes it just can't be helped. But I sure would not give up the best toy trains ever made, just because someone in the group goes off on a tangent and starts posting off topic about underwater basket weaving or something!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24370	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S Gauge

In a message dated 02/26/2003 6:23:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, busyboy@... writes: > Once I'm dead, I'm not posting here any more. > Chris Zizzo > Me 2...probably sooner than later... Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24371	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: S Scale (1:64 Scale) Promotion

S scale (1:64 scale) promotion: Say YES TO S. Say NO to HO. S scale (1:64 scale) is bigger than HO scale (1:87 scale). The point is that there is a disadvantage with HO, in fact more than one. S is bigger, bigger than HO, N, and Z. In two words, HO is TOO SMALL! Yet look at all of the money and time that has been put into HO. But now the realization, HO is not and never was big enough to get everyone hooked!! No matter how much variety, how much increased detail, how inexpensive it is, and how much coverage they give it in the magazines is enough to wipe out 0/0-27 and S. Disadvantages of HO: It is too small for many train enthusiasts. Many locomotives are too small to show the detail and fit the motors in them. I could see a big silver motor inside one of the 0-6-0 switchers because it was in the window area, and it was hard to comprehend the detail, unless you got close to it. It has been reported that many of these HO locomotives do not run very good and do not have much pulling power because they are so small. The scenery is really too small! Take a look at an HO automobile! Also, HO is not a good investment, so if you decide to switch to a bigger scale, HO is hard to get rid of, or get much of your money back. That can really hurt and discourage people from the train hobby. I think that this has to do with what it (HO) is, not just the fact that it is being mass produced! HO ain't no cadillac! From HOers that I have talked to, many of them have lost interest in HO trains and the train hobby shortly after they set it up, and they hardly ever run them. HO trains are not selling as well as they did before. Over the years mass market HO train sets have just become seasonal (Christmas) items at the stores. Just because HO is the most popular, or common choice, that does not make it the best. Back when HO first came out, many O/O-27ers laughed at HO. LOL. They never thought HO would be in the majority. Maybe someday S will be in the majority, and this is something worth working toward, and S is the best! Robby King

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24372	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1789

In a message dated 2/25/03 10:21:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > From: JConn444@... > > Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:45:04 -0500 (EST) > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Leaving S gauge > > > > I believe that I will go back to HO and pack my Flyer back up. This group > is > > not what I thought it would be. Its really disappointing. John John, I'm relatively new to this list, although, I think, like you, I watched, read, and also gleaned some great information from this wise group of gentlemen (I use this term loosely as I'm sure there are some wise ladies, also) before I even posted and introduced my self. I'm disappointed that you can't see through the "coal" that these in this group are true "diamonds" with a virtual bottomless mine of information that they are all to willing to share with anyone who asks for it. I hope you can come back in the future to try us again. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24373	From: waldootten	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: The biggest guage of all...

For what it's worth: Monday night I boarded the Illinois Zephyr [Amtrak] at 6:30 pm in my hometown of Naperville, Ill. and rode some 250 miles to the end of the line -- Quincy Ill., arriving at 10:18 pm. Jumped a cab to a hotel, went to bed at 11:30 and then arose at 4:45 am to ride the same train home. Departed Quincy at 6:12 am, arrived at home 10:12 am. All just to take a train ride. Am I the only one here that does such "silly" things, or do I have company? It was a awful lot of fun -- my first non-commuter train ride in 28 years. The Amtrak employees were all pretty nice and the best part was that I got the ticket on eBay -- winning bid of $16 for a usual $38 fare. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24374	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: The biggest guage of all...

Phil, I too get a thrill riding Amtrak and hope to make it from here in St. Louis (former MOPAC Kirkwood Station) to Independence MO before the trains from here to KC are reduced back to 1 train a day from the current 2. Must say that I would like to take the Zephr to the West Coast some day..........there was a recent piece done on it on the show "Tracks Ahead" a month or two ago, Thanks for the memories! Jack Riely P.S. When I was a teenager, I would ride the NYC Hudson Division Budd cars for only a few miles from Oscawana to Harmon, N.Y. just for the thrill of it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24375	From: firex43	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: AF 322 Hudson Tender Shell

WTB one metal Hudson SIB tender shell with all steps. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24376	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Will S-gauge make it?...

S-Gaugers, WARNING THIS POST INVOLVES HUMOR - BEWARE!!! LEAVE NOW IF YOU ARE OFFENDED!!!! The group needs a little humor after our recent tragic loss... ala the David Letterman top ten list... From the home office in Kenosha WI... Create your own top 3 reasons posting for knowing S-Gauge has made it * MTH announces new 3 rail track system and products for S-gauge o Mike Wolfe states that he needs to enter a growing rather than a shrinking market o Obsolete O-Gaugers expected to flock to new rail system and gauge o Most HO modelers, except for the hard core HO collectors, expected to convert * 3 Railers bitterly complain of "New" O-Gauge manufacturer's recently announced releases! o S scale size bodies and parts used though out the new "O" product lines o Industry leaders say it is necessary to keep costs down, since labor in China rose from 25 to 26 cents a week * Walmart's announces the quintessential "S-Gauge Classic Christmas Train Starter Set" o At NYC Toy Fair (as reported by attendee Chris Z), the mega-retailer orders a record 100 million sets and other S accessories for this holiday season o The order specifies a variety of extensively equipped exquisitely detailed sets. o All include TMCC, new advanced accessories and track systems that are to sell at price ranges $4.99-$6.99 o Walmart's CEO says that nostalgia items are hot this year and the retailer expects to sell out o Walmart's plans to create its own brand for S-gauge - "Gilbert BCE" that will be made at overseas captive plants o To promote the sales, each Walmart's will have * A dedicated S-gauge train area that will feature the sets and other additional items for purchase * Factory built store display sets to promote interaction with the customer ... keep smiling! Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24377	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars

Wanna see something really beautiful? http://www.weavermodels.com/page22.html Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24378	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars

Well, it WOULD be beautiful......if it were S-gauge. The Lehigh Valley Baldwin VO1000 switcher, pictured at the top of the same page, ain't too shabby either. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Zizzo" <busyboy@...> To: "slist" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars > Wanna see something really beautiful? > > http://www.weavermodels.com/page22.html > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24379	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Basket weaving

I really hate to see us lose anyone along the way, but sometimes it just can't be helped. But I sure would not give up the best toy trains ever made, just because someone in the group goes off on a tangent Oh my gosh, someone went on a tangent? Who was it? Ban them from the list, quick. I hate basket weaving. Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24380	From: Al	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Diesel shell

Hi Guys, I am in need of 1 GP-7 shell in good shape from one of the following AF diesel engines: #370, 371, 372, 374, 375, etc. If someone on this list can help, please contact me at: alsflyer@... Thanks, Al Rawdon Golden Spike American Flyer Club in northern Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24381	From: rkuepper	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: The biggest guage of all...

Sounds like my first train ride. I was about 9 or 10 when my grandfather took me from Cleveland Union Terminal to Buffalo. We had lunch, then took the train back. WOW!! Those were the days when the big CUT electrics hauled the cars from the underground terminal in Cleveland to the waiting engines. I would also add an AMEN to the Amtrak employees. My wife (who is not a train addict but had traveled in her younger days) arranged for us to take the train from Cleveland (alas, now from a miserable little excuse for a station) to Chicago, then to Glacier National Park, and on to Seattle, where we crossed the border and took the Rocky Mountaineer to Banff. The Amtrak porters, waitresses, conductors, and everyone was as nice as they could be! And it goes without saying that the RM staff were outstanding. And Amtrak agents arranged the whole trip with my wife on the phone, with stpovers in Chicago and Glacier; the only "mistake" they made was not telling us that you have to have a special reservation to ride in the RM dome cars - fortunately, the little woman (she's 4' 11 1/2") called RM for some trip info, and was able to get the seats. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The biggest guage of all... > For what it's worth: > > Monday night I boarded the Illinois Zephyr [Amtrak] at 6:30 pm in my > hometown of Naperville, Ill. and rode some 250 miles to the end of > the line -- Quincy Ill., arriving at 10:18 pm. Jumped a cab to a > hotel, went to bed at 11:30 and then arose at 4:45 am to ride the > same train home. Departed Quincy at 6:12 am, arrived at home 10:12 > am. > > All just to take a train ride. Am I the only one here that does > such "silly" things, or do I have company? It was a awful lot of > fun -- my first non-commuter train ride in 28 years. The Amtrak > employees were all pretty nice and the best part was that I got the > ticket on eBay -- winning bid of $16 for a usual $38 fare. > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24382	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Chev PU

If you missed the Mint Editions 1948-1955 Chev pickup a few years back, you have a second chance. I saw it at K-Mart AND at Target today in RC "Dazed and Confused" packaging, $2.99. RC also has a Model A Ford, looks oversize for S scale, and a 1951 Hudson, looks undersize for S scale. Ted Larson Watch out for SPYWARE also!!!! It can be WORSE than some viruses. Even IE6 includes spyware. http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24383	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: The biggest guage of all...

While at school, I often take the L (kinda like the subway, but usually above ground) for short trips during my free periods. I have never taken a long distance ride here in the states for fun, but while in Germany, I simply had to ride the ICE 3 (a high speed train) at least once, so I took an hour ride to Offenberg, it was well worth it. Other than that, I only take trains in order to actually go somewhere. Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24384	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars

Too bad these are not offered in S. The Flyer cars are nice but obviously NOT scale like these cars. Jack Riely Thanks Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24385	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Ertle Country Fair

Jim, Your email address keeps returning, so I will post this to the S-list. ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <aztecfan@...> (reason: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry, your message to aztecfan@... cannot be delivered. This account is over quota. - mta434.mail.yahoo.com) You said, "Never tried to sell anything on e-Bay. I have an extra Ertle County Fair boxed set.". I have been looking for one of these since Hobby Surplus sold out. Please contact me if you still have it for sale. Thanks, Tom, in Maine, Stoltz---NASG, TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24386	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Osgood-Bradley coaches

I have two of those cars in S, which I made from 3 Silver Bullet coach bodies. They are mounted on 960 series bottoms, with added steps and details, and painted in the McGuiness colors, with lettering from Clover House. Other S gaugers have done this same conversion, some to scale length. The prototypes of these cars were built by the Osgood-Bradley Co. of Worcester Massachusetts, a company later bought out by Pullman. I rode them many times on the New Haven. I have never before heard the McGuiness paint scheme referred to as the "Black Knight" scheme. "Black Bounder" might be a better term. McGuiness damaged the New Haven RR badly while he ran it, and then moved on to the Boston and Maine, where his activities landed him in jail. He was responsible for that very nice blue, black, and white B & M paint scheme before he went, though. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24387	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S Gauge

Hey, Would all you guys put me in your will?? I ain't plannin' on going soon. Linda, or even the guy upstairs, might have other plans though! (Why this life insurance policy, dear???) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24388	From: robert allen conner	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Ertle Country Fair

Tom....Toy liquidators and K bee still had them for 19.99 a couple of months ago....check them out...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ertle Country Fair > Jim, > > Your email address keeps returning, so I will post this to the S-list. > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > <aztecfan@...> > (reason: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry, your message to aztecfan@... cannot be delivered. This account is over quota. - mta434.mail.yahoo.com) > > > > You said, "Never tried to sell anything on e-Bay. I have an > extra Ertle County Fair boxed set.". > > I have been looking for one of these since Hobby Surplus sold out. > > Please contact me if you still have it for sale. > > Thanks, > > Tom, in Maine, Stoltz---NASG, TCA > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24389	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Antidote for Leaving S Gauge - Welcome Package

The Idea for a welcome package is great. It will answer many of the basic questions and give the newcomer a good welcome feeling at the same time. Excellent suggestion! Paul S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24390	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Osgood-Bradley coaches

Tom, I too rode those coaches to work(Grand Central) from Stamford on the express runs from New Haven. I understand from my brothers father-in-law(he worked for the road) that actually MRS McGinnis was responsible for the black, white and red schema(guess he took the credit). Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24391	From: William Lange	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Antidote for Leaving S Gauge - Welcome Package

I agree! Better make sure I don't stop there! The welcome package would be a great idea. I stopped lurking around the holidays and response to my first post was fantastic ( 2 trains on 1 loop). My second post brought an insult or two, at least that's how I took them ( DIY Tools and materials), and then got totally ignored (Now lets make them run well). A welcome package would help steer newbies away from the sore spots and the basic questions that get asked every other week. I've returned to lurking status and have observed, 1) this is a great bunch of people, 2) on any given day if someone doesn't respond to you on list there are a few who go way out of the way to be helpful off list, 3) and if you wait long enough your topic will come up again, got any Wahl Clipper Oil? Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24392	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars

Those are nice,...real purdy!!! I like the grey SP! Rick. Subject: [S-Trains] Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars http://www.weavermodels.com/page22.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24393	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2003
Subject: - American Flyer Lines CD Rom

I'm not sure I know what this is.......does anyone??? Rick. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3117274716&category=480 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24394	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman-Bradley Deluxe Coaches aka The American Flyer cars

Hi Chris: And "only" $449 for a 4 car set. That really isn't too bad for those. Wonder if Weaver would make them in S gauge?? Rance Velapoldi Chris Zizzo wrote: >Wanna see something really beautiful? > >http://www.weavermodels.com/page22.html > >Chris Zizzo > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24395	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Now you can have Railscope !!!!

I now have available Wireless 1.4 Ghz Color Video Cams (5/8in in Dia) pin hole adj.lens... 9 Volt rechargeable (good for 2hrs running time it is also possible to pickup power from the rails for constant voltage too)....200ft radius complete with all hardware Reciever, cords adaptors etc. Good for O, S, G, and (pardon me) HO gauges. Can be installed in mins ...eg. in engine for Facing forward view or in an old caboose for that going away view...Excellent color pic. So if you have ever wanted to view your pike on TV or wanted to show others Now You Can .....$140 can also be connector to VCRs and even computers...Need more INFO..???..e mail me ..Ship anywhere. Thanx Edward G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24396	From: eddiee456	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: - American Flyer Lines CD Rom

It's volume two, I bought one off of e-bay from willow bay. It's a CD that has the 1955 Catalog, the 52 instruction book and a few other things done in pdf format. I made a copy of mine and sent it to thor at all guage trains to try and help get his S-guage train site up. Ed Vogler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24397	From: Steve Roche	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Osgood-Bradley coaches

My Father worked with the New Haven RR during the 50's. What Jack said was true. Mrs. McGinnis is the one who choose the colors. It was the source of many a snide comment from the employees. Steve Roche [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24398	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Schilling Trains

Tom Bianculli said: >Would you believe the Brio cars will ride perfectly between >the center and one side rail of standard gauge???? Very interestink! That means they are "S" gauge! I cross posted this to S-Trains list for the edification of my fellow S-men. (No, the hyphen is not substituting for a letter.) Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24399	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: pitbull7

After reading some of this guys email, I am pretty sure he has another name he sells under. It is toysensations. I was recently bidding on something he had for sale...this was before I read his feedback and thank goodness....for me anyways, someone outbid me. It was broken and not mint etc etc. Amazingly this toysensations now has his feedback blocked so you can't read it anymore. I would bet money it is one and the same. To be on the fair side, I did buy something from pitbull and I had no problem with him. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24400	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1791

I wish Steve and Chris long life. Here are some websites for newer members of the list. National Association of S Gaugers at: http://www.nasg.org Richard Robinson, Fort Washington S layout: http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/robinsonrr.html North Penn S Gaugers (local Club) at: http://npsg3.homestead.com/files/npsgi.htm Paul Yorke's links: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ S Helper Service: http://www.showcaseline.com Roy Hoffman's (NASG President) website: http://www.s-scaletrains.com/ Atlantic Coast S Gaugers on Homestead: http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/acsg.html Badgerland S Gaugers on Trainweb http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/ Bristol S Gaugers at Trainweb http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/index.html American Flyer Trains at: http://www.s-scaletrains.com/saf.htm Crossroads of America RR museum: http://www.travel.to/cofa John & Robin Vanacore: http://www.afstrains.com/index.html Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers http://www.southeastmichigansgaugers.org S-'n-S Trains http://www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/index.html Heimberger House, S Gaugian magazine at: http://www.heimburgerhouse.com/ You may visit my model railroad by going to: http://www.geocities.com/glenn_ritter/belfry.html Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn NASG Secretary ><///> ><///> ><///>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24401	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Kaslo PS-1

Hi All, I got my Kaslo Shops PS1 kit today. I was very pleasantly surprised when I opened the box. It not nearly the assembly nightmares of other resin kits that I expected and have finished. It is a one piece shell ala A M. I was planning on getting my friend to finish it, but I just might tackle it myself. It is not substantially more work then a PRS kit, just more parts cleanup. SWEET! Bring on the N5c! Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24402	From: John G	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Car axle lubrication

I need your expert advice regarding lubrication of American Flyer car axles. Should I use oil or powdered graphite? Does the lubrication method differ between the later sintered metal trucks and the earlier stamped trucks with the link couplers? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24403	From: R. Sharkey	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1715

I was dumped from your e-mail list. Please resubscribe me. Thanks. S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 17 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. RE: club insurance > From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> > 2. Re: Digest Number 1714 > From: Nick and Becky Colleran <colleran@...> > 3. Re: Digest Number 1714 > From: Nick and Becky Colleran <colleran@...> > 4. Re: club insurance > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > 5. Re: Digest Number 1714 > From: "David <Dave0616@...>" <Dave0616@...> > 6. bolsters > From: "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> > 7. Converting with SHS trucks.... > From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> > 8. Website > From: "Gregg Mummert" <gmummert@...> > 9. 612 station w/crane > From: Don Abrams <donabrams@...> > 10. Mail Post & Track Trip built from Erector parts > From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> > 11. Any U.P. Passenger expertise? > From: jnr59@... > 12. Re: Club Insurance > From: "John Gibson <vito4cal@...>" <vito4cal@...> > 13. Re: 612 station w/crane > From: HOwingsiii@... > 14. Reminder - Sunday Chat > From: S-Trains > 15. Re: Re: Club Insurance > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > 16. Chris & Beth Burger - "S" Ambassadors Par Excellence > From: "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@...> > 17. (no subject) > From: Cbtrainnut1@... > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:00:52 -0500 > From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> > Subject: RE: club insurance > > STEVE--- > I think most clubs come around to this issue, once they start displaying and > operating a layout at public shows. Our club----the Bristol S-Gaugers---- > operated for years without insurance, but we were forced into it when we > began sponsoring our own public show. The school facility that we used > required us to carry a $1 million policy. We ended up purcasing a policy > which covered us at up to four public locations (shows) per year. We have > since changed to a different policy which places no limit on how many times > we display and operate. I THINK our cost for this policy is around $1000 per > year. > I found Don's response very interesting, becauase we have had "discussions" > (read that, "squabbles") at club meetings, even within the past year, about > the need for us to maintain this policy now that we no longer sponsor our > own show. Not to everyone's satisfaction, but we ultimately voted to > maintain it, just because of the "far-fetched" examples which Steve notes. > Arguments were made at our meetings that because the club is incorporated, > members won't get sued....only the club (which has few assets). Others > argued (supported by a legal opinion) that incorporation does not prevent > lawsuits to members. It may protect the members from ultimately being held > financially liable, BUT all can still get sued, and it will cost you $$$$ to > defend yourself in court. With a proper liability policy for the club, the > insurance company will cover the cost of that defense....not the > individuals! That's an important consideration. > In my mind, and most of our membership agreed, it is a well-spent $1000 per > year. > The issue of incorporation is a related one. We hired a lawyer to do all our > paperwork related to club incorporation. I don't recall the cost, but it > wasn't huge, and it was a one-time cost. > > Good luck with your own deliberations! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. > Saturdays: 2-5 PM. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: www.portlines.com > E-mail: doug@... > VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted. > > ***********ORIGINAL MESSAGES************* > <<< Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:22:02 -0500 > From: Steve Blancard <splitdorf@...> > Subject: Club insurance ? > > Guys, > > My club, the Washington & Old Dominion division of the Atlantic Coast S > Gaugers has recently been discussing the need for club liability > insurance. This would be to protect us against lawsuits in case someone > were to be injured by our modular layout set up at a show. For example, > if while demonstrating the rocket launcher car, a kid gets hit in the > eye by the rocket. Or if while kids were to be shocked by a shorted > operating button, or if a kid were to fall off a step the club built to > facilitate viewing. These examples may seem far-fetched, but in this > lawsuite crazy society, it is unfortunately a valid concern. > > Our club has been discussing whether we should incorporate as a > non-profit club in order to obtain liability insurance. None of us > wants to loose everything because of a minor accident and an aggressive > lawyer. > > I would appreciate hearing how other clubs handle this issue. > > Steve Blancard > ****************************************************************** > From: Don Thompson <robin@...> > Subject: Re: Club insurance ? > > Dear Steve, > Once this subject is brought up., it is best to disband the club. > Now that you are all aware of the legal liabilities to each individual > who is associated with your club you will have to purchase liability > insurance. When you discover how much this will cost (if you find a > company willing to write a policy) to protect each and every member from > possible law suits, and then try to collect the premiums from your > members you will realize what a huge problem you now have on your hands. > We lost a member several years (or was it a decade ago) over this very > subject. He had an article about a mid west modular club that was sued > by a train show spectator that somehow was injured during the show. > Actually, the club did not get sued, but each member did. I am not > sure of the outcome, but we ended up losing a member. I hope I may be > wrong about the insurance, and let me know if you foresee a different > outcome. > Don > >>> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:58:11 -0500 > From: Nick and Becky Colleran <colleran@...> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1714 > > Don is right. On top of that, having insurance may invite a lawsuit! > Having gone around for years on this issue both on the board and > as president of a national organization I would suggest limiting > liability by lowering the table to child viewing height without the > need for risers and keeping high voltages away from the perimeter > of the layout. Any member worried about personal liability should > get his own policy. Time spent discussing the issues of liability and > non-profit incorporation will destroy a club. > > Nick Colleran > > At 01:26 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Message: 11 > > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:22:00 -0500 > > From: Don Thompson <robin@...> > >Subject: Re: Club insurance ? > > > >Dear Steve, > > Once this subject is brought up., it is best to disband the club. > > Now that you are all aware of the legal liabilities to each individual > >who is associated with your club you will have to purchase liability > >insurance. When you discover how much this will cost (if you find a > >company willing to write a policy) to protect each and every member from > >possible law suits, and then try to collect the premiums from your > >members you will realize what a huge problem you now have on your hands. > > We lost a member several years (or was it a decade ago) over this very > >subject. He had an article about a mid west modular club that was sued > >by a train show spectator that somehow was injured during the show. > > Actually, the club did not get sued, but each member did. I am not > >sure of the outcome, but we ended up losing a member. I hope I may be > >wrong about the insurance, and let me know if you foresee a different > >outcome. > >Don > > > >Steve Blancard wrote: > > > > >Guys, > > > > > >My club, the Washington & Old Dominion division of the Atlantic Coast S > > >Gaugers has recently been discussing the need for club liability > > >insurance. This would be to protect us against lawsuits in case someone > > >were to be injured by our modular layout set up at a show. For example, > > >if while demonstrating the rocket launcher car, a kid gets hit in the > > >eye by the rocket. Or if while kids were to be shocked by a shorted > > >operating button, or if a kid were to fall off a step the club built to > > >facilitate viewing. These examples may seem far-fetched, but in this > > >lawsuite crazy society, it is unfortunately a valid concern. > > > > > >Our club has been discussing whether we should incorporate as a > > >non-profit club in order to obtain liability insurance. None of us > > >wants to loose everything because of a minor accident and an aggressive > > >lawyer. > > > > > >I would appreciate hearing how other clubs handle this issue. > > > > > >Steve Blancard > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:46:03 -0500 > From: Nick and Becky Colleran <colleran@...> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1714 > > If you are talking about Lionel S Gauge, their 2 car passenger set > was at Chesterfield Hobbies in Midlothian, VA as of yesterday 1/11. > They have a web site with contact info. > > At 01:26 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:33:41 -0000 > > From: "jackotrains <joppdp@...>" <joppdp@...> > >Subject: NYC Two Car Add-On Set > > > >Does anyone know where I can purchased this add-on set. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:25:38 -0800 > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > Subject: Re: club insurance > > Good points Don, > While it MAY be true that individual members won't get sued, the > Directors, or officers can be held liable, so it is important to get > "directors insurance" which the club insurer can provide, or many homeowners > policy can have a rider added. > S' > David D. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:30:58 -0000 > From: "David <Dave0616@...>" <Dave0616@...> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1714 > > As long as your incorporated, individual members are protected. This > leaves only the question of Dues to cover insurance, and other > expenses. Isn't it nice how the lawyers and jerks of the world have > things so twisted and messed up?? > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Nick and Becky Colleran > <colleran@r...> wrote: > > Don is right. On top of that, having insurance may invite a lawsuit! > > Having gone around for years on this issue both on the board and > > as president of a national organization I would suggest limiting > > liability by lowering the table to child viewing height without the > > need for risers and keeping high voltages away from the perimeter > > of the layout. Any member worried about personal liability should > > get his own policy. Time spent discussing the issues of liability > and > > non-profit incorporation will destroy a club. > > > > Nick Colleran > > > > At 01:26 PM 1/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > ___ > > > > > >Message: 11 > > > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:22:00 -0500 > > > From: Don Thompson <robin@s...> > > >Subject: Re: Club insurance ? > > > > > >Dear Steve, > > > Once this subject is brought up., it is best to disband the > club. > > > Now that you are all aware of the legal liabilities to each > individual > > >who is associated with your club you will have to purchase > liability > > >insurance. When you discover how much this will cost (if you find > a > > >company willing to write a policy) to protect each and every > member from > > >possible law suits, and then try to collect the premiums from your > > >members you will realize what a huge problem you now have on your > hands. > > > We lost a member several years (or was it a decade ago) over > this very > > >subject. He had an article about a mid west modular club that was > sued > > >by a train show spectator that somehow was injured during the show. > > > Actually, the club did not get sued, but each member did. I am > not > > >sure of the outcome, but we ended up losing a member. I hope I > may be > > >wrong about the insurance, and let me know if you foresee a > different > > >outcome. > > >Don > > > > > >Steve Blancard wrote: > > > > > > >Guys, > > > > > > > >My club, the Washington & Old Dominion division of the Atlantic > Coast S > > > >Gaugers has recently been discussing the need for club liability > > > >insurance. This would be to protect us against lawsuits in case > someone > > > >were to be injured by our modular layout set up at a show. For > example, > > > >if while demonstrating the rocket launcher car, a kid gets hit > in the > > > >eye by the rocket. Or if while kids were to be shocked by a > shorted > > > >operating button, or if a kid were to fall off a step the club > built to > > > >facilitate viewing. These examples may seem far-fetched, but in > this > > > >lawsuite crazy society, it is unfortunately a valid concern. > > > > > > > >Our club has been discussing whether we should incorporate as a > > > >non-profit club in order to obtain liability insurance. None of > us > > > >wants to loose everything because of a minor accident and an > aggressive > > > >lawyer. > > > > > > > >I would appreciate hearing how other clubs handle this issue. > > > > > > > >Steve Blancard > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:14:37 -0500 > From: "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> > Subject: bolsters > > Train Gang, > > I would like to convert some Flyer freight cars to SHS trucks. I've been told I'll need some bolsters to do this. I know some use to be available from Downs or Ace, but I can't find them on the S sites. > > Does anyone know where to find some bolsters? > > Thanks, > > Tom S in Dresden ME > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:24:11 -0800 > From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> > Subject: Converting with SHS trucks.... > > ***(((I would like to convert some Flyer freight cars to SHS trucks. I've been told I'll need some bolsters to do this.)))*** > > Tom, > I put SHS trucks and couplers on a AF 942 Seaboard boxcar,....using just a few small washers as spacers. Also used small machine screws and "aircraft" (that what ya call 'em?) locking nuts. Using the existing hole did make for CLOSE coupling however!! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:03:49 -0500 > From: "Gregg Mummert" <gmummert@...> > Subject: Website > > A couple weeks ago someone posted pictures of their layout and their album > also contained several other pictures - a Duluth & Missabe steam engine, an > auto carrier w/ '60s vintage Lincolns and T Birds, and more. > > I inadvertently deleted the post. Could the owner please re-post or send it > to me directly. > > Thanks > Gregg Mummert > gmummert@... > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:41:40 -0500 > From: Don Abrams <donabrams@...> > Subject: 612 station w/crane > > Hi group, > > I was wondering what vintage this station is with a red painted base? > What would the paint scheme be for the crane, walls & trim, ramp and roof? > Does anyone know where I might find a photo of this variation of a 612? > Thanks in advance, > > Don > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:00:48 -0500 > From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> > Subject: Mail Post & Track Trip built from Erector parts > > Hi, > > I recently built a little mail post and track pickup out of Erector parts for my Flyer layout. Here is a link to see it and description: > http://home.att.net/~timboy/Mail.html > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:16:52 EST > From: jnr59@... > Subject: Any U.P. Passenger expertise? > > I am modeling U.P. (AM's 80' streamliner/smoothside observation car) and > would like to know what color lights were on the rear end of the U.P. closed > end observation cars (the round type not the square backs)? > > 1. The top larger light.....did it have a white or red lens? > 2. The side marker lights (blister shape)....where they red or white? > 3. Lastly, what was the purpose of these lights especially if some of them > were WHITE? > > P.S. My experience is more with the eastern rrs where the side markers were > always red(in place of the normal end of train warning lights) and the top > light was white(for lighting up the track for viewing at night?). I already > purchased Tomar Industries S scale drumhead light (City of San Francisco) and > it looks GREAT lighted with a grain of wheat bulb! > > Thanks, > > Jack Riely > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:38:37 -0000 > From: "John Gibson <vito4cal@...>" <vito4cal@...> > Subject: Re: Club Insurance > > For some reason, my reply did not post to the list - I probably > screwed up :-) > > Here it is . . > > Greetings: > > This e-mail may open a can of worms but I think it is an important > topic and relates to growing S. > > You might want to consider these two points: > > 1. The venues where your club shows its layout may require the club > to have insurance -- even though these shows typically have some > sort of blanket coverage. So you may have no choice in the matter. > > 2. The individual comfort level of your members may require the > purchase of general liability insurance. Some people maybe very > concerned about the risk to the public or other club members. > > By the way, my Garden Railway Club and Historical Foundation both > incorporated and one of the reasons why was to get insurance. > > Here is where I get on my soapbox. The purchase of this insurance > is expensive, too expensive -- the biggest part of the club's > operating budget in many cases. What really frosts me is that I > think the risk is very low - I have never heard of any lawsuit or > claims arising out of injuries sustained by a person at a model > railroad show. > > I have a proposal, not sure how feasible it is, but I would like to > see if the NASG can arrange with an insurance carrier for a "group > buy" to provide general liability insurance S clubs at reasonable > rates. > > Just one person's thoughts . . . . > > John Gibson > Rocklin, CA > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:02:09 EST > From: HOwingsiii@... > Subject: Re: 612 station w/crane > > That is the pre-war version. > harwood > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: 13 Jan 2003 00:02:11 -0000 > From: S-Trains > Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, January 12, 2003 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:03:56 -0500 > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Club Insurance > > You know the AMA has some kind of insurance that is very low and covers all > kind of accidents and flying sites, etc....an RC plane can do A lot of > damage if not landed properly!!!!!...Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <vito4cal@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 5:38 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Club Insurance > > > For some reason, my reply did not post to the list - I probably > > screwed up :-) > > > > Here it is . . > > > > > > > > Greetings: > > > > This e-mail may open a can of worms but I think it is an important > > topic and relates to growing S. > > > > You might want to consider these two points: > > > > 1. The venues where your club shows its layout may require the club > > to have insurance -- even though these shows typically have some > > sort of blanket coverage. So you may have no choice in the matter. > > > > 2. The individual comfort level of your members may require the > > purchase of general liability insurance. Some people maybe very > > concerned about the risk to the public or other club members. > > > > By the way, my Garden Railway Club and Historical Foundation both > > incorporated and one of the reasons why was to get insurance. > > > > Here is where I get on my soapbox. The purchase of this insurance > > is expensive, too expensive -- the biggest part of the club's > > operating budget in many cases. What really frosts me is that I > > think the risk is very low - I have never heard of any lawsuit or > > claims arising out of injuries sustained by a person at a model > > railroad show. > > > > I have a proposal, not sure how feasible it is, but I would like to > > see if the NASG can arrange with an insurance carrier for a "group > > buy" to provide general liability insurance S clubs at reasonable > > rates. > > > > Just one person's thoughts . . . . > > > > John Gibson > > Rocklin, CA > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:34:17 -0500 > From: "Randall L. Griggs" <rlgriggs@...> > Subject: Chris & Beth Burger - "S" Ambassadors Par Excellence > > I just returned home from the second day of the Louisville GATS (Great > American Train Show). Flyer and other "S" items available seemed to be > somewhat less than in previous years, nonetheless, there were items to be > purchased if you really had to have them. There were a number of N, HO, O, > and G layouts of various kinds. My favorite was Chris & Beth Burger's > Winter/Christmas "S" layout. Show attendees voted the first day on their > favorite layout, and the votes were later tallied. Chris and Beth reported > their layout came in 2nd of all the layouts present! The "N" modular > layout that took up a large portion of the display area which was made up > of "N" Track modules from clubs from 6 states took 1st place. Chris & > Beth's 2nd finish was very gratifying, however, AND, also helped cover some > of their show expenses. Congratulations, Chris and Beth! > > Chris and Beth both worked very hard during the 2-day show. They talked to > admirers, and answered hundreds of questions. Beth demonstrated her > expertise at making excellent "S" scale trees from discarded artificial > Christmas tree branches. Chris demonstrated how one could "manufacture" > realistic rock formations from hydrocal, thinned acrylic paints, and rubber > rock molds. In spite of their hard work, one could tell by their cheerful > dedication, they were happy to be here spreading the advantages of "S". > > To Chris and Beth, both, I say - CHEERS, WELL DONE! Next year I'd like to > be able to offer some assistance in helping them set up and take down their > layout, as well as help them answer "S" questions. MAYBE!!?? > > Perhaps you might also want to congratulate Chris and Beth at Chris's > "cbtrainnut..." eMail address! Take a look at: > http://www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut/ It's hard work and dedication like > this that helps keep "S" alive and well! > > Regards, Randy Griggs - Louisville > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:01:06 EST > From: Cbtrainnut1@... > Subject: (no subject) > > Randy, > Thanks for the kind words! I'm reading this at 12:30 AM. We rolled in the > door at 11:30. Needless to say, Beth helped me unload, and immediately ran > upstairs for the bedroom. The U-Haul dealer we use is 2 streets away. When I > returned to the house she was sound asleep. > You're more than welcome to join us next year at the show or any show for > that matter. It has been a wild ride this weekend. 14,000 people came through > on Saturday and probably 2/3 to 3/4 of that came through on Sunday according > to Moe Gohegan from GATS. > I will also say that anyone on the list is welcome to join if we happen to > show up in your town. Our next shows are in Columbus Ohio and Dayton. After > that, I think we are going to visit Lance down in the Tennessee hills and > Nashville. Might take my guitar with me too. > Thanks again Randy! > > Chris The Trainnut > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24404	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: new part for sale

Hi All, I have just received a box from my brass caster. In it were some new parts I had made and a BIG bill. As a way of offsetting this bill I have decided to offer one of the parts for sale. It is a universal train pipe valve bracket. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/trainpipebracket.jpg I did not see it in any other supplier's parts list, so I made it myself. I am offering it at $2.00 per pair shipping included. I only ask that you get at least 5 pair to make it worthwhile. Please reply if you are interested. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24405	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Get a bigger hammer...

S-Gaugers, I was told in school (many moon's ago) that the title to this message is the mechanical engineer's answer to all problems... Anyways... I have a few old train cars that require riveting type repair from youngsters that used "irrational exuberance" (as Alan Greenspan would say) when handling the rolling stock. I purchased a manual riveting set from the internet: http://www.rivetin.com/ Haven't used it yet? Do any of you have any experience with this manual riveting repair or is it a fantasy? Hobby Surplus Sales has a PanaVise Precision Press precision press for 89 dollars: http://www.panavise.com/f/presses/index.html Have you any experience with the above or similar press tools? I poked around the internet and heard about an Arbor press that used to be at Lionel Service stations? I don't know here you get the "tools" (back sets and riveters) for set a press anyways.? I think riveting eyelets are available at the supplier sites... I would like a factory look for repair and would appreciate any advice or comments. Are there services that do riveting of AF stuff if my attempts fail? Any advice would be greatly appreciated... Thank You, Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24406	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Leaving S gauge

I would like to second this if it is a motion! A great idea even for those that have been lurking and haven't found all of the sites that might be available. I will even volunteer to compile such a list if one isn't available already. Gary Chidester Isolated S-gauger in Manti, Utah on 2/25/03 12:43 PM, IronHorse at cofa@... wrote: > Here is something I would like to run by you. > > When we get a new person on the list send him/her a welcome package. > The package would consist of; > A welcome, introduction letter. > A list of "S" web sites. high rail and scale & AFG sites. There are many > great > sites out there in "S" gauge. > A list of vendors where he can get "S" gauge items. > Addresses of the nearest "S" gaugers to that person along with a club near > him. > Perhaps mail out a complimentary copy of "S" gauge mags. > Provide info. on the NASG and NMRA. > > I leave anything out? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24407	From: waldootten	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Fun links for watching trains *live* on the computer

For what it's worth: During quiet times (a.k.a. "lulls") on the PC at the office and at home, I peek at three *live* web cams for computer/Internet train watching in/near my home state of Illinois. 1.) A new site with the coolest web cam -- one you can aim and zoom yourself -- showing the original ATSF and CB&Q (now all BNSF) mainlines in Fort Madison, Iowa. Note the two antique & historic train depots as you pan right and the Santa Fe's cosmetically restored 2913, a magnificent 1943 Baldwin 4-8-4 steam locomotive in the park by the Mississippi River. Also far left in the distance [use the zoom] is the world's largest double-deck swingspan bridge at 525 feet over the river (About 60 trains per day): http://www.livetrains.com/site/snav/15/page.htm 2.) You need to register a user name and password for this site sponsored by Trains magazine, but it shows the diamonds in Rochelle, Ill., where two 2-track mailines cross in the middle of town (BNSF and UP). (Over 100 trains a day through here): http://traincam.tsf.net/ 3.) The Burlington Northern Santa Fe mainline through Mendota, Ill., with the cosmetically restored CB&Q locomotive 497 sitting outside the Amtrak depot/museum. (About 40-50 trains/day through here): http://www.trains.com/webcams/rochelle_current.asp Enjoy, Phil K, getting to be somewhat of a geek. ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24408	From: waldootten	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: OOPS!

Mixed up the last two links, but you'll notice it anyway. Sorry. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24409	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/27/2003
Subject: Re: Fun links for watching trains *live* on the computer

Here's a few more; Dunsmuir, CA at http://www.trainorders.com/cameras/dunsmuir/ Tehachapi, CA at: http://www.trainorders.com/cameras/tehachapi/ Cumbres & Toltec narrow gauge (not a lot of action, but it IS the narrow-gauge!) at: http://166.82.18.119/camera/ctscam1a.html S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24410	From: jayhoo64	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Car axle lubrication

John Gasal asked: >regarding lubrication of American Flyer car axles. Should I use oil or powdered graphite? I can't think of a single MRR application for which I'd use graphite. It's abrasive to soft metals. Oil? See below... >Does the lubrication method differ between the later sintered metal >trucks and the earlier stamped trucks with the link couplers? Yes. Sintered-iron trucks are designed to soak up oil like a sponge. Any hobby oil such as Labelle 107 or Woodland Scenics Light Oil will do nicely. The sintered side frame should be oiled drop by drop until it has a slightly shiny appearance, indicating it's "full" (saturated.) You won't have to lube it again for quite some time. The oil will also prevent rust. Crankcase oil of any weight is not formulated for model trains. It can be tempting to use the last few drops of Castrol Syntec Synthetic after you change your car's oil, but the detergents in it will gum things up after awhile. (Experience talking here.) Stamped steel trucks do better with oil than with nothing, but oil won't stay with them very long. Since the surfaces are steel to steel, I use Woodland Scenics Moly grease, or Teflon grease in a pinch. Howzzat? :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24411	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: New Member Message

Here is the message that gets automatically sent to new members. If any has specific recomendations please send them to me, and I will add them. General recomendations don't do much good. Send me stuff that I can paste into the note. <INTRO NOTE STARTS HERE> Hello, Welcome to the S-Trains list. Please take a moment to review this message. This list is intended for folks who share an interest in S-Scale (1/64th) and S-Gauge model railroading. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains. The menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. If you are a non-web e-mail user, (ie Juno) just send me a note and I will take care of you. Some Guidelines: Always visit the FAQ page (http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm) to see if your question may have been already answered. There are now over 600 members on this list. Please try to limit your messages to a maximum of one per day. When responding to S-Trains, please do not use the 'Reply' or 'ReplyAll' button because it often includes the entire original e-mail text. Instead create a 'new' message and address it to s-trains@.... Write directly to the person when you want to have an in-depth discussion. If you don't like the language or attitude of a list member, send them a note (or me). It may just be a 'slip' or a misunderstanding. 'Buying and Selling' on the list is acceptable as long as the notes are kept short and infrequent. I would prefer a link to a web page rather than a price list in the e-mail. If you are more interested in the SCALE part of 1/64th railroading, I suggest you join S-Scale list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale Please Don't forward Virus warnings to the list. If you have a virus related issue that you MUST share, please send it to me. Thanks, Paul Yorke (S_Trains@...) http://www.S-Trains.com PS: Replying to this note will ONLY send a note to Me and the folks (1 or 2) that assist me with list administration. To send a note to the complete list address it to s-trains@... <END OF INTRO NOTE> ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24412	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1715

R. Sharkey says: >I was dumped from your e-mail list. I wonder. Could it be from re-posting the entire previous day's digest with your messages? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24413	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: New Member info

<<<<Addresses of the nearest "S" gaugers to that person along with a club near him.>>>> Sorry, but I take issue with this component of a "welcome" packet. Many guys would not want their address info made available to newcomers who nobody knows! I personally know at least a couple of AF collectors whose homes have been robbed of their trains because some stranger knew what they had (or MIGHT have had)! A club contact may be OK, but that's it. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24414	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Get a bigger hammer...

<<<<<I purchased a manual riveting set from the internet: Haven't used it yet? Do any of you have any experience with this manual riveting repair or is it a fantasy? I poked around the internet and heard about an Arbor press that used to be at Lionel Service stations? I don't know here you get the "tools" (back sets and riveters) for set a press anyways.? I think riveting eyelets are available at the supplier sites... I would like a factory look for repair and would appreciate any advice or comments. Are there services that do riveting of AF stuff if my attempts fail?>>>>> The Brakeman's Riveter that you bought is an excellent hand-held riveting tool. I use mine all the time, and we offer it for sale here as well. (For those of you unfamiliar with it, check our website (www.portlines.com) . You'll find pictures of all its components on our TOOLS page.) With various tips, you can set truck rivets, truck eyelets, remove link couplers, install link couplers, set the tiny mini-rivets, and reassemble knuckle couplers after repairing breakage. Unlike the cheaper tools that you hit with a hammer, you don't feel like you need three hands to do the job!!!! An arbor-press tool for AF and Lionel repairs is available from Hobby Horse Products. I have one of these in the workshop, with all the tips for AF repair jobs to go with it. It is an expensive unit..... upwards of $500 by the time you buy the press and all its AF components. It does everything noted above, and more, such as wheel removal, and wheel pressing. Easier and quicker to use than the BR, but more $$$$. Obviously, all rivets and eyelets are available, and we stock em all. Don't want to do it yourself......no problem. We can do any of that work for you, very reasonably, as long as you are willing to pay two-way shipping. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24415	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Mr. Rogers Neighborhood Trolley

Lifted from an article originally published in Model Railroader, Jan. '88 and republished on Trains.com, this clip wraps up a story about the introduction of the HO trolley in the opening credit sequence of the Mr. Rogers Neighborhood show. Fred Rogers died this last week. : __________________________________________________________________________ If you've not watched the Mister Rogers' Neighborhood program, that's understandable. Our audience is mainly young children. But if the chance ever arises, why not tune it in to see Trolley I and now, Trolley II? Who knows, you might even keep watching past the opening credits. A lot of grownups do. Maybe that's because of something that Fred says at the end of every program: "There's nobody else in the world exactly like you. And people can like you just the way you are." Now there's a thought that applies to us all - no matter what our --Paul Lally __________________________________________________________________________ And everything I need to know I learned in kindergarten. Chris Zizzo, just touching home base for a reality check. PS: for the full article, go to: http://www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/001/429gtebs.asp You may need to register first.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24416	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Arbor Presses or Riveters???

Greetings, After reading Scott Dee's post about riveting, I thought I would pose these questions and statement. I have seen an arbor press as low as $17.95 in either Harbor Freight's catalog, or a J & L Industrial supply sale flyer. It looked suitable in size for more than what we do, but I don't know anything about the tips that would be needed to fit the rivets. Question 1: Anyone try an arbor press like these? Question 2: Where, or how, do you obtain the tips for presses such as these? I have seen the riveting tools in S-Gaugian and CTT (Yes, I subscribe. I'll admit it, I'm a cross gauger!) (As well as a closet collector!) Question 3: Are these any good? Well, a little harsh, but do they work well? Question 4: What would be the recommendation from the list for an occassional riveter? Your opinions are always welcome, be they in line with mine or not. S incerely, Bill Trefts (David's "near-brother") Hi, Linda! ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24417	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: welcome E-mail

Doug wrote:"I personally know at least a couple of AF collectors whose homes have been robbed of their trains because some stranger knew what they had (or MIGHT have had)! A club contact may be OK, but that's it." To the club contact, maybe an e-mail address or two of members in the vicinity. They could be reached and set up lunch or a hobby shop meeting to get to know the person somewhat before inviting to someones home. Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24418	From: Leonard D	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Thank you for acceptance!

Dear Group, I just wanted to thank the moderator and the group for accepting us into this wonderful forum. We definitely look foward to making a positive contributions to this passion we all have for American Flyer - here is I our first offering: Smoke in Tender Bellows Replacemnet by the Gilbert Guru In the center of the frame of the sit unit, there are 2 flat head screws side by side, looking down from the top of the sit unit, between the gear and the smoke box. Center the lever on the gear so that straddles these 2 screws and remove them. Un-solder the wires that go to the tender truck rivets if they are too short (probably will be), and the sit should be apart from the sheet metal frame. Remove hex head from gear. Next, turn sit unit over, and remove the 4 flathead screws that will allow you to remove smoke box from sit frame. Clean off the fabric and glue off both fiberboard pieces with a sharp knife or Exacto, utility, etc (scrape them). Starting with the fiberboard that is attached to the smoke box, take some Elmers glue, or goop, and coat the edge of the fiberboard (whatever adhesive you chose to use must not set up fast like super glue). Take the fabric and wrap it around the fiberboard, eye it up so it is even around the edge, leaving the ends that come together at one side of the unit or the other, not top or bottom. Where the ends overlap, glue also. Using Elmers or the like gives you time to position the fabric before it dries to the fiber. Once you get the fabric positioned, let set up and dry. Next step is to put the smoke box back onto the frame. Next, take the other fiberboard piece with the eccentric crank, and position it inside the fabric square, and replace the hex screw. With your finger, rotate the armature so the fiberboard goes inside the fabric, leaving the inside edge exposed. Glue the inside edge of the fabric (you can be liberal with the glue, about 1/8" wide). Rotate the armature to bring the fiber board back out to the edge of the fabric. Let dry, and you should be ready to smoke away. If you have any other problems just let me know. This is a tedious project - I'd sure like to know how they did it at Gilbert in 1946. Ofcourse there are many ways to get any job done - this is just the Guru's method. Thanks for reading, and............. If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you again. Sincerely, Leonard D Salins 111 Carolyn Drive Cross Junction, VA 22625 blueprince@... 800-409-1909 http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24419	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Thank you for acceptance!

This is the kind of information that is really helpful to many folks, thanks for sharing it. I have done 2 SIT rebuild and this descripton closely matches my experience. My only question is the use of "Elmer's" glue. After Elmer's hardens, isn't it pretty stiff? I'm not sure if it would retain flexibility without seperating. Also, Elmer's is a waterbase glue that will soften again if wetted by water. I'm not sure how smoke fluid effects it. I have used "Goop Marine Contact Adhesive and Sealant" with excellent results. It states on the tube that it is wateroproof and flexible. It is readilly available from Lowes, Home Depot, etc. Steve Blancard Leonard D wrote: snip - here is I our first offering: > Smoke in Tender Bellows Replacemnet by the Gilbert Guru > > snip > take some Elmers glue, or goop, and coat the edge of the fiberboard (whatever adhesive you chose to use must not set up fast like super glue).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24420	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Arbor Presses or Riveters???

I have used a Harbor Freight arbor press. They are more than powerful enough of an AF use. In fact, you need to be careful not to crush the piece. There is a lot of leverage. I'm not sure where you could buy tips to match the rivets, but I have made tips in my lathe that worked fine for this light duty type work. Steve Blancard wmhtreftsv@... wrote: snip > Greetings, > > After reading Scott Dee's post about riveting, I thought I would pose > these questions and statement. > > I have seen an arbor press as low as $17.95 in either Harbor Freight's > catalog, or a J & L Industrial supply sale flyer. It looked suitable in > size for more than what we do, but I don't know anything about the tips > that would be needed to fit the rivets. > > Question 1: Anyone try an arbor press like these? > > Question 2: Where, or how, do you obtain the tips for presses such as > these?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24421	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Car axle lubrication

**(((. Any hobby oil such as Labelle 107 )))*** Just curious,....I use Labelle's 108,.........much difference between the 107 & 108?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24422	From: John Foley	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: NMRA convention in Toronto

Hi Folks I just found out that the Delta Toronto Airport Hotel which was set aside for Dealers coming to the Nation Train Show at the NMRA convention has been sold to Radission . The hotel is closed for renovations and won't be open until Sept. 03. So if you were planning on staying their you'll have to find another hotel John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24423	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Get a bigger hammer...

> http://www.rivetin.com/ > > Scott, I have the "Brakeman Riveter" set, the Lionel/Chicago Rivet Press and Hobby Horse. Have used all three, each has it's place. The "Brakeman" is obviously the best for small work and someone who will be doing short runs or repairs. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24424	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Painting re-pro roadbed....

I posted a while back about painting black re-pro roadbed, and didn't get many responses,..but thought I would pass this along. Yesterday I took a half piece of AF gray roadbed that has turned the usual faded dirty gray color,..and sprayed it with gray primer. Came out looking great,....however, it sure makes it look like "NEW" gray roadbed,...won't blend with the older faded pieces!! But,...will look better then using gray with BLACK roadbed!! Maybe using a very diluted brownish color as a wash over the roadbed would blend it in better with the older pieces. Of course I do have a mix of "newer" looking gray roadbed mixed with the more faded pieces,...on my little Spring layout,..doesn't look TOO bad! Anyway,....we'll see how the painting goes when I get the BLACK re-pro road bed for my K-Line 27" radius track. Here's a question,....would it be bad to re-paint AF gray roadbed?? Would that be a no-no ??? I could paint it ALL to be a perfect match,....but would that be a bad thing to do with original AF roadbed?? Rick "Spray can in hand" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24425	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Train show

Hello to all who will be on the west coast this weekend. In addition to the Cal Stewart meet in Santa Clara, there is a GATS show Saturday and Sunday in Sacramento from 11 to 5. Come to Sac and say hello. I will have lots to look at in scale and hi rail. Howard Howard' S Trains. _______________________________________________________________________ Internet Access, Shared & Dedicated Web Hosting. Colocation and Domain Name Registration at http://www.lanset.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24426	From: John Foley	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Fwd: NMRA convention in Toronto

Hi Again I found out the hotel the NMRA is recommending now for dealers and exhibitors is the Radisson Suites Airport hotel. http://www.radisson.com/hoteldirectory/hotelbio.jsp?hotelCode=ONTORAIR&origin=Hotel%20Directory&backURI=%2Freservation%2FhotelPreference.do Also Dottie Finch has given up being the Registration Administrator due to heath problems. Debbie Draper with now be handling it 602 5699072. John >Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:44:21 -0500 >To: S Scale, S-Trains >From: John Foley <foley164@...> >Subject: NMRA convention in Toronto > >Hi Folks > > I just found out that the Delta Toronto Airport Hotel >which was set aside for Dealers coming to the >Nation Train Show at the NMRA convention has been >sold to Radission . The hotel is closed for renovations >and won't be open until Sept. 03. So if you were planning >on staying their you'll have to find another hotel > >John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24427	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: B&O Railroad Museum

The B&O Museum has some info on the snow caused damage on their web site at http://www.borail.org/ Jim Hannawald [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24428	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: .148 rail

Hey Gang, Where can I purchase .148 rail? I'm going great guns on my switch lay project and am ready to start rolling my own. I know Micro Engineering has the rail I want, but their web site states a minimum order of $100.00. I don't think I will be building that many switches, so I won't need that much rail. As I am laying hinge less turnouts, the flexibility of the rail is important. Does anyone know if nickel silver is more flexible than non corrosive brass? Tom, in Maine--NASG, MSG (that's Maine S Gaugers), late of CCSG & TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24429	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 2, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24430	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: .148 rail

Try http://www.protojournal.com/2_ad_row.htm (Right-O'-Way). They list 99' of code 148 for $33 in steel, $53 in nickel silver. Thomas Stoltz wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > Where can I purchase .148 rail? I'm going great guns on my switch lay project and am ready to start rolling my own. I know Micro Engineering has the rail I want, but their web site states a minimum order of $100.00. I don't think I will be building that many switches, so I won't need that much rail. > > As I am laying hinge less turnouts, the flexibility of the rail is important. Does anyone know if nickel silver is more flexible than non corrosive brass? > > Tom, in Maine--NASG, MSG (that's Maine S Gaugers), late of CCSG & TCA -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24431	From: Edward G.	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Wireless Color Cam ...

I have now scanned a pic of this unit for all of you who inquired and wanted more info to see the size of this unit ....Edward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PLEASE ask for e-mail of Pic.>>>> Now you can make your own RAILSCOPE>>>> I now have available Wireless 1.4 Ghz Color Video Cams (5/8in in Dia smaller than a quarter)..pin hole adj.lens... 9 Volt rechargeable (good for 2hrs running time > it is also possible to pickup power from the rails for constant > voltage too)....200ft radius complete with all hardware Reciever, > cords adaptors etc. Good for O, S, G, and (pardon me) HO gauges. Can > be installed in mins ...eg. in engine for Facing forward view or in > an old caboose for that going away view...Excellent color pic. So if > you have ever wanted to view your pike on TV or wanted to show others > Now You Can .....$140 can also be connected to VCRs and even > computers...Need more INFO..???..e mail me ..Ship anywhere. > Thanx Edward G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24432	From: AF336	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: .148 rail

Got this table with a google search since my materials properties book is at work. It appears that Nickle silver wins, but there doesn't appeart to be much difference. I don't howerver know what the percentage composition that any of the rail mfg. people use in their product. If you had a sample of each you could to a cantilever test by trial and error to determine what amount of deflection created permanent deformation. If this deflection significatly greater than the deflection your rail would need there shouldn't be a problem. Product Youngs Modulus of Elasticity (tension) Beryllium Copper Alloy 25 19,000,000,000 Brass 70/30 16,000,000,000 Bronze Grade A 5% 15,000,000,000 Bronze Grade C 8% 16,000,000,000 Electrolytic Copper 16,000,000,000 Nickel Silver 18% 18,000,000,000 Mechanical Properties Nickel Silver 18% Tensile Strength P.S.I. - Hard and Aged N/A Tensile Strength P.S.I. - Spring Temper 114,000 Fatigue Strength P.S.I. - Hard and Aged N/A Fatigue Strength P.S.I. - Spring Temper 25,000 Mechanical Properties Bronze Grade C 8% Tensile Strength P.S.I. - Hard and Aged N/A Tensile Strength P.S.I. - Spring Temper 112,000 Fatigue Strength P.S.I. - Hard and Aged N/A Fatigue Strength P.S.I. - Spring Temper 26,000 >>> Does anyone know if nickel silver is more flexible than non corrosive brass? <<<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24433	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/28/2003
Subject: Re: Painting re-pro roadbed....

Well,....so far it's three votes for "paint 'em",......and no other votes as of yet!! Rick "Shaking the spray can" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24434	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: NASG Library web page

Have you checked out the NASG Library page on the NASG website lately? Michael Greene, our Webmaster and Dick Karnes, our Librarian have done a first class display. I hope our members will take advantage of this new and growing addition to the NASG's services to members. It's at : http://www.nasg.org/mobleylib.html Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24435	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Painting/rejuvenating roadbed

When I wanted to use old grey Flyer roadbed in my layout, I scrubbed the pieces with a stiff plastic brush and an abrasive cleanser (like Bon Ami or one of those) and water. It was sort of a pain and I wound up doing a few pieces a night for several weeks. In general this removed the dirty/yellow patina they had acquired over the years, and they came out looking fairly fresh. I have some of the new black rubber wide radius K-Line road bed that I would like to have grey. Your idea sounds good. Roger Delthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24436	From: fivechime@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: 761 Semaphore Operation

I just joined this group last week although I've had Flyer since 1963. The extensive collection comes out every Holiday season and remains up every all year every other year by agreement with wife. It's about to go down until next Fall but I thought I'd take this opportunity to ask a question that I've been seeking the answer to for some time. I desire to set up the 761 Semaphore so that it is activated by the 695/696 track trip BUT without stoping the train using insolated track sections. It seems I was able to do this a few years back by using some of the wires but I can't remember which ones went where and after trying all cobinations on several 761's and 696 track trips, I was unable to get the device to activate properly only when the train passed. Can anyone there give me some direction how to wire the semaphore to activate when the train passes over the track trip without the train stopping option. Thanks, Jim Evans, FiveChime@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24437	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Painting re-pro roadbed....

Rick: I had over 200 pieces of rubber roadbed (most of which I recently sold) I decided to go with all black as that is what I had most of plus that is the color of the repro stuff. I painted probably 75 to 100 pieces from grey to black or from grungy black to black over the years. suggestions: (opinions, basically) 1. Wash the roadbed in warm/hot water first. liquid dishwash detergent works well as it does not seem to leave a residue. Then dry well. this gets rid of any oil/etc from the rubber. 2. Use the cheap paint. In my experience the cheaper paint has more solvent and less pigment (I am actually guessing here based on the results). The cheap paint (i used the 99 cent no brand stuff from Home Depot) seems to almost work more like a dye or stain and less like a coating paint. I tried a number of types of paint and the heavy Rustoleum type that coats thick for over rust, etc cracked and separated much more easily and quickly with age. 3. I used a black semi gloss which matched the original pretty well and this held up well for the 10+ years or so between paint and removal. You probably want the quick dry type primer grey or maybe a satin grey paint rather than the heavy Derusto type primer. 4. Try a couple pieces first. wash well, dry well, paint, dry well. Then install the track and make sure the paint dosn't flake off or anything from not being attached well. I never did any cleaning except for using a small sop vac to suck up dirt so the rubber roadbed never really got touched on the layout and scratches and chips were never a problem. 5. If you don't like the result of the first batch, try another paint. I went through a few. The heavily painted ones with a couple coats ended up in a tunnel in the back. Have fun and keep the cans shaking. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. PS the GP35 is doing well. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Evans [mailto:bassflyer@...] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:52 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Painting re-pro roadbed.... Well,....so far it's three votes for "paint 'em",......and no other votes as of yet!! Rick "Shaking the spray can" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24438	From: AF336	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Horns again....

The few Flyer PA diesels I own were purchased used by me so I don't know much about their history/originality. Some of the plastic horns are installed by the meling of the stem to form a neat little button on the inside of the shell. Some have a melt spot at the base of the stem to weld them in place. Some have the stem protruding through and glued in place. Is the melted (almost like a plastic rivit) the correct and original installation? Are some of the melt/welded at the bottom of the stem (at the shell) also original and just not done as expertly at the Gilbert factory? I assume the presence of glue is not appriate? Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24439	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed

Now that I am finally comfortable with a track layout (at least in terms of the mainline), I want to "nail down" the track. All of my track will have the rubber roadbed (the roadbed being ~80% original AF and ~20% repro--ready to place an order at www.roadbed.net). What suggestions do you listers have for doing this (or is it not cool to nail down the original-type roadbed)? Jeff Feldmeier Allen Park, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24440	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Blatant attempt to sell/trade s gauge stuff

Item 1: I have an american models GP35 in Rio Grande colors. I would like to trade shells for a preferrably Great northern or maybe Burlington Northern Shell. This shell has the front and rear "stepped" area in front of the coupler filed out to allow the AF style coupler to swing wider. I will provide a picture if there is interest. I would pay shipping and some compensation depending on condition of your shell. I also have the SHS caboose in Rio Grande that could be included in negeotations. Item 2: S Helper SW9 in Northern Pacific like new no box. This was in a set. AC - high rail no box Will sell for $130. If you need scale I could raid one of my other engines boxes for an additional fee. make an offer, thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24441	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed

Buy the "wire nails" they are about $2 for 100 or so. use the shorter ones like 5/8 inch or 3/4 inch into plywood or maybe longer if into something less gripping. They will stay for ever. You dont need to use all the holes either but definitely those around the connections. To remove use a big wide screw driver under the metal "tie" where the nail is a pry up a bit tn pull it out with pliers. This will minimize track bending. If you use the longer nails (like 1") in plywood or such you will bend the track trying to get them all out. Also you can get a small hammer (i think called a tack hammer) that has a head about 4 inches long and about 1/2 inch square that works great for these. also get a steel punch with a flat head about 1/4 across that you can use to help seat the nails without hitting the track. Start the nail, put the punch or nailset on the nail and tap the punch till the head is flat with the metal "tie". Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: beechcricker <BeechCrRR@...> [mailto:BeechCrRR@...] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:28 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed Now that I am finally comfortable with a track layout (at least in terms of the mainline), I want to "nail down" the track. All of my track will have the rubber roadbed (the roadbed being ~80% original AF and ~20% repro--ready to place an order at www.roadbed.net). What suggestions do you listers have for doing this (or is it not cool to nail down the original-type roadbed)? Jeff Feldmeier Allen Park, MI S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24442	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed

I have always nailed mine through the roadbed with very small brads. They only have to enter the table top by as little as 1/8" or even less. I use 2 nails per section, one at each end. Don't ask me if it affects any sound deadening. That's a moot point when you need your track to stay where you put it. Actually I think any noise difference is insignificant. BTW, Flyer switches will now "hang" over the table on the track pins by the thickness of the road bed. I have always treated this as a non problem and hidden the air space with roadbed alongside the switch. If you don't like cutting up Flyer roadbed for the switches then get a piece of O or HO cork, trim off and use just the edge, and blacken it with a magic marker to match your black roadbed. If you have gray that obviously won't work. "beechcricker " wrote: > > Now that I am finally comfortable with a track layout (at least in > terms of the mainline), I want to "nail down" the track. All of my > track will have the rubber roadbed (the roadbed being ~80% original > AF and ~20% repro--ready to place an order at www.roadbed.net). What > suggestions do you listers have for doing this (or is it not cool to > nail down the original-type roadbed)? > > Jeff Feldmeier > Allen Park, MI > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24443	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /Semaphore761Wiring.bmp Uploaded by : applegooroo <blueprince@...> Description : CONNECTING THE No. 761 SEMAPHORE - from the A.C. Gilbert Service Manual You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Semaphore761Wiring.bmp To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, applegooroo <blueprince@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24444	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed

I thought the idea was to nail down the road bed and then lay the track into the road bed. That way there is no mechanical connection between the track and the table. Ya??? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24445	From: firex43	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Removing Nailed Down AF Track

My method of removing nails/brads securing AF track uses a pair of needle-nose pliers and some item to help apply leverage. Open the jaws of the pliers so they straddle the nail/brad under the tie and place a pencil or equivalent under the jaws and press down thus lifting the tie up enough to allow you to grip the brad/nail to remove. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24446	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Sources and more sources for AF parts

I am definitely new to referb parts, so help me out a bit. RFGCO, Hobby Surplus, etc... Many overlapping items between such places. RGFCO says for one example that the Gilbert control buttons are "exclusive" from them. Oops, there's that other site ____ "SSS trains" that has them too. So cutting through the hype... were should one get parts from? Considering I need: Transformer bulb lenses (15B) AC300 boiler front AC300 tender power pickup copper pieces, rivets, etc... Engine / Tender power plug - the plastic / bakalite cracked on one. E unit pickup fingers Trailing truck for a 332 - unless I try to mend the one I have Red/Green top for an aircraft beacon Switch flags for manual switches ...and other little bits like that. I guess I'm the type that likes to buy from the source when possible, not three middle-men later. <><><><><> What about sources for light bulbs? Gone are the days of buying Chicago Miniature lamps at the local radio dealer. Now most of the prices are as much for one bulb as I could buy a box for 20 years ago. (Well, maybe almost!) Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24447	From: JL_lensman	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: AF 758 Semaphore Man Wiring Request

Hello group. I just picked up a 758 Semaphore Man. It has a 2 button controller and a wire connector at the base. Can anyone tell me the proper hook up this accessory? Thanks, Jerry (reliving my youth through my trains)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24448	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Car axle lubrication

Rick asked: >much difference between the 107 & 108?? I can't remember... is 108 heavier or lighter than 107? It should be ok, as long as it's not gear lube. That's getting a little thick (still better than running dry, tho.) One thing I neglected to mention: Diecast side frames (Streamline passenger cars, 3 axle tender trucks.) The solid metal used for these is relatively soft, so I use Teflon grease instead of moly grease or oil. There's another family of lubricants available through SHS. The only experience I've had with it is as the original lubes that my SW1 came with. So far the experience has been excellent. I plan to get more as I run out of WS and Labelle. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24449	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed

Michael asked; >I thought the idea was to nail down the road bed and then lay the >track into the road bed. That way there is no mechanical connection >between the track and the table. Ya??? That was pretty much my understanding of the "textbook" way to mount rubber roadbed (although I spike the bed down with the track already in it.) Did it that way on the "tinplate" sections of our modular layout. For our Christmas layout, I went with a non-book method because I knew there would be times I would need to remove part of the main line to "change things." I drilled holes into the center of one end tie on each section of track, large enough to admit a #6 pan-head woodscrew. The screws are long enough to "bite" the board by 1/2 inch at least. They're left slightly loose, just enough to allow the track to float in the rubber roadbed. Track can be removed and replaced easily and neatly, many times if necessary, yet it stays in place when the layout is stored on edge. The screw heads have been blackened with gun bluing, so they don't show. The results can be seen on Paul Yorke's site: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php? set_albumName=album13 or here: http://www.railroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php? s=&threadid=4024&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 (Looks like those links didn't wrap too well. May need to c+p.) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24450	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/1/2003
Subject: Re: Fun links for watching trains *live* on the computer

David, The one I left is a dead end, just an error screen. Jerry Hiett David Dewey writes: > > Cumbres & Toltec narrow gauge (not a lot of action, but it IS the > narrow-gauge!) at: > http://166.82.18.119/camera/ctscam1a.html > > S' > David D. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email at http://quickmail.quickhosts.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24451	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - next Offering

Same deal as before-All new in the box. $30 each including shipping(one or all) in the contiguous 48. First come first served. Payment by all means listed on the website: http://www.americanflyertrains.com ***** B&O Time Saver Boxcar 467109 ***** B&O Time Saver Boxcar 467434 00257 Straight Track w/roadbed 00082 PS 2 hopper KATY 00087 PS 2 hopper Revere Sugar 00026 PS 2 hopper PA 257862 00033 PS 2 hopper Lehigh Valley 00077 PS 2 hopper NPR 00027 PS 2 hopper B&O 00022 PS 2 hopper PA 257781 00011 PS 2 hopper WM 00009 PS 2 hopper SF 00006 PS 2 hopper B&M 00010 PS 2 hopper WABASH 00007 PS 2 hopper NYC ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24452	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Thank yous!

I wanted to take a time out to express my appreciation to many of you that have answered my questions to date or in general provided excellent guidance for this relative newbie. I didn't jot down all your names (maybe I should in the future) so my apolgies if I didn't call you by name below. First and foremost I want to thank Tom Jarcho for his input on my #19B transformer issue. Tom, the problem was just like you said it might be--a loose internal part, a 15 minute fix. I am so relieved! As for my layout plan, Charlie, my new bud just up the road, suggested I buy a track crossing to add some interest. I did just that (no, I wasn't one of the nuts that recently paid--what was it-- $40 on e-bay?). This became the springboard for my layout plan. I ended up using one of the plans in the AF Model Railroad Handbook (page 8, row 2, middle one), expanded it a bit and added some sidings. A few of you recently answered a few of my questions before I could ask them, e.g. car axle lubrication (Chuck F.) and where to get repro AF roadbed (a few of you, I believe). Good info! I also received some good feedback on cleaning roadbed (worked like a charm) and repainting my 290 (I would say that project is down the road). I'm still watching responses to my nailing track/roadbed posting from yesterday. Thanks to those of you who have responded so far. I'm taking notes! This is a great list--the wealth of info you all have amazes me. I'm sure glad I "found" you. Jeff Feldmeier Allen Park, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24453	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: 761 Semaphore wiring

Gilbert instruction sheets concerning automatic circuits were scanty at best. The 761 semaphore can stop trains or just serve as a show piece. It can be activated by a #697 trip, a #670 trip, two push buttons, a Flyer switch controller, optical detectors, current detectors, or a combination of several of these. It can be wired to a flyer switch, and serve as a sort of latching relay. Two or more semaphores can be wired in tandem; they can even be cross wired so that when one goes up the other goes down. Some of the more sophisticated solid state detectors can control the length of the current burst they produce to protect the solenoids, or the white wire can control a 4 pole relay that cuts off power to the solenoids after the semaphore is thrown. A relay or relays controlled by the white wire can power and unpower a series of stop sections, or initiate an action sequence. You can probably build a completely protected multiple train loop using three or more, but I haven't tried that yet. It can even be wired backwards and produce a burst of fixed voltage out the white wire, if you like jackrabbit starts. Have fun with the thing! Tom Jarcho P.S.: I once wrote a Roundhouse on a few of these methods (Jan-Feb '95 S Gaugian) .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24454	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 2, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24455	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: test ----DELETE

Test [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24456	From: RUSSELL A. RAWLING	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: K-Line Wide Radius Track

This is my first post although I have been checking S-Trains out for over a year as there's lots of helpful info. My knowledge of wiring, etc is pretty rudimentary and I ran into a problem that may be basic, but I haven't figured it out. I use used AF track and have decided to stick with it using repro rubber roadbed as I like to change the layout frequently(6 x 5 around the Christmas tree and 5x9 ping-pong table). I run using AC and have a mix of original AF, Flyonel, AM, and SHS. I recently purchased some K-Line wide radius track and roadbed to use along with my AF track. The problem is I seem to be getting some kind of short. With or without the roadbed and just making a circle of all K-Line track to trouble-shoot everything seems to be fine with a stretch of 4 or 5 pieces, but if I make a complete circle there is no response from the engine and the overload light will light up on the transformer (MRC Tech II). I use AF or K-Line track clips to attach the wires to the track and I am wondering if this has something to do with it. I have no problem using this set-up of roadbed and track clips with my old AF track. I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks for any help. Russ Rawling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24457	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: City Bus

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3118784852&category=19144 Nice looking city bus (painted for Greyhound), the dimensions are very close to accurate S scale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3119089110&category=19144 Nice selection of modern "generic" tractors ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24458	From: Rance and Bente Velapoldi	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: TEST

this is just a test. pls disregard.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24459	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Scotch Brite Pads for Cleaning Rails

At the risk of breathing new life into that mega discussion about track cleaning in early to mid February, I'd like to hear more comments on using Scotch Brite Pads for cleaning rails. Despite that lengthy discussion there were a few positive comments abut using such pads but no one said anything negative. Many of you are apparently anti sandpaper as it is too abrasive. Wouldn't Scotch Brite pads be just as abrasive? Shortly MofW forces will be out en masse cleaning the rails here so want to make sure I do it right. Jeff Feldmeier Allen Park, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24460	From: Tom	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Pensy Boxcar

I just know there's gotta be a Pensy fan in this group who can tell me something about the PRR boxcar in this year's American Flyer production. It looks like it is some sort of special handling or express paint scheme. Thanks in advance, Tom Gerbasi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24461	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Scotch Brite Pads for Cleaning Rails

**((( Wouldn't Scotch Brite pads be just as abrasive?)))*** I don't think the fibers of the Scotchbright pad are even CLOSE to sandpaper as far as abrasive....no matter what grit you use,....it's all a bunch of little sharp, hard rocks,...or whatever they use in sandpaper THESE days!! :^) I'm sure I'll hear somethin' on THAT comment!! Some may disagree,...but I like the Scotchbrigth pads. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24462	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: test - delete me

test [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24463	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: 943 Flat Car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3118838842&category=480 The 943 is not shown in the TM AF Price Guide. Anyone know "the rest of the story" on this car? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24464	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Chat

Bleepety bleepin chat won't let me in again for the past two weeks. Hateful thing....... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24465	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Roadbed Painting

Rick, Hmm, I hadn't thought of painting that dingey old roadbed to make it new again. Sounds like a pretty good idea. (Collectors and purists shudder!) But a thought! Years ago there was a vinyl spray paint used for painting car interior panels. It was formulated to stay flexible and bond to the vinyl. Would this be better to use on the flexible rubber roadbed than regular metal primer? Just something to toss in the ring and think about. Bill (near-Dewey-brother) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24466	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: S-trains list members.....

Just checked the site,.....we now have 749 members......where is everybody?????????? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24467	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Car axle lubrication

What kind of lubricant(if any) does one use on plastic side trucks e.g. Amercan Models '72 passenger cars (4 wheel and 6 wheel trucks)? Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24468	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: 943 Flat Car?

I didn't check the link,...could it be a 48943...by Lionel?? Rick. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3118838842&category=480 The 943 is not shown in the TM AF Price Guide. Anyone know "the rest of the story" on this car? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24469	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: 943 Flat Car?

Rick...Read the description....ITS HOME MADE!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 943 Flat Car? > > I didn't check the link,...could it be a 48943...by Lionel?? > > Rick. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3118838842&category=480 > > The 943 is not shown in the TM AF Price Guide. Anyone know "the rest of the > story" on this car? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24470	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: 943 Flat Car?

It's a cut down AF flat. Says in the description that it's custom made. My wife-unit would call it "cute." I better not let her see that auction, or I'll have to make her one, fer sure. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24471	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: 943 Flat Car?

**(((Rick...Read the description....ITS HOME MADE!!!! Bob)))*** Just checked the link,.....yer right Bob!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24472	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Car axle lubrication

Jack Riely asked: >What kind of lubricant(if any) does one use on plastic side trucks >e.g. Amercan Models '72 passenger cars (4 wheel and 6 wheel trucks)? Shucks, there's something ELSE I forgot to mention. AM Delrin trucks aren't supposed to need lubrication, but they do roll a little easier with a small dab of teflon grease in each needle bearing socket. Some might wonder if dirt retention would result, but I haven't had that problem. I run SHS trucks dry. Teflon grease is also VERY good on AF Pike Master trucks. Gets rid of that annoying squeak. As always, use a plastic-friendly grease, which Woodland Scenics, Labelle, and, I assume the stuff SHS uses, are. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24473	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: toy boats

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3119124296&category=16509 Anybody with a waterfront scene on your layout, get yer boats on eBay! ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24474	From: IronHorse	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed

I use also rubber roadbed . I just run a wire nail through the tin tie in just one hole at each end of the rail. In the next section I will nail the tie on the opposite side. So in effect. both sides are nailed down firm I don't bother with the other ties. -- Roger Hinds To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24475	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Fun links for watching trains *live* on the computer

Hi All, Apparently the URL I posted for the Cumbres & Toltec train cam doesn't work, so here's the "main screen" URL http://166.82.18.119/ S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24476	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Nailing Down Track with Rubber Roadbed

In a message dated 03/01/2003 12:45:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, pianoman@... writes: > I thought the idea was to nail down the road bed and then lay the track into > the road bed. That way there is no mechanical connection between the track > and > the table. Ya??? > > Michael > Ja!......Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24477	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: test - delete this

test

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24478	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Pensy Boxcar

Although the PRR did have a car simular to this, My feeling is this just a variation of the Gilbert 622 - 922 G.A.E.X. damage free ( DF) boxcar. But then again I'm an NYC fan ( what do I know ? ) Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24479	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: track bars

A few weeks back there was discussion about adding detail to track. Somebody informed us of an O scale website that shows track bars and other track details for rail sizes commonly used in S such as 83, 100, and 125. The December 2002 Mainline Modeler lists another source for track bars; Details West. Ted Larson Watch out for SPYWARE also!!!! It can be WORSE than some viruses. Even IE6 includes spyware. http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24480	From: John Foley	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: test

Test

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24481	From: Steve Roche	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Roadbed

About 6 years ago I took a bunch of grey roadbed and discolored black roadbed and took some flat black spray paint I had in the garage and went at it. i would be hardpressed to look at the layout and determine what is painted, original or repro. Regarding nailingtrack with roadbed into plywood. I had better luck with 3/4" nails. The 5/8" don't have enough bite with the thickness of the roadbed. Steve Roche [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24482	From: John Foley	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Test

Test

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24483	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: K-Line Wide Radius Track

Russ, If you say that a 4-5 section length of track is OK, but that you get a short when you complete a circle of track, then you need to find the section of track that is causing the short. I assume that you can run a locomotive all right on the 4-5 section length. Start with the good 4-5 section length and add one section at a time to it. Check after adding each section whether you can operate OK or not. After you add the piece that causes the short, remove it and check it for the short. If you can fix it, fine. If not, scrap it and use another good piece in its place. Regards, Roger Delthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24484	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Wide Radius Track

<<<Subject: K-Line Wide Radius Track This is my first post although I have been checking S-Trains out for over a year as there's lots of helpful info. My knowledge of wiring, etc is pretty rudimentary and I ran into a problem that may be basic, but I haven't figured it out. I use used AF track and have decided to stick with it using repro rubber roadbed as I like to change the layout frequently(6 x 5 around the Christmas tree and 5x9 ping-pong table). I run using AC and have a mix of original AF, Flyonel, AM, and SHS. I recently purchased some K-Line wide radius track and roadbed to use along with my AF track. The problem is I seem to be getting some kind of short. With or without the roadbed and just making a circle of all K-Line track to trouble-shoot everything seems to be fine with a stretch of 4 or 5 pieces, but if I make a complete circle there is no response from the engine and the overload light will light up on the transformer (MRC Tech II). I use AF or K-Line track clips to attach the wires to the track and I am wondering if this has something to do with it. I have no problem using this set-up of roadbed and track clips with my old AF track. I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks for any help. Russ Rawling >>> If this is happening even with a simple circle of track, my first reaction is that at least one section of track must have worn/missing fiber insulators, allowing the rails to short across the tie. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24485	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: track bars

I put a query into Details West - see what they say back. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24486	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: K-line wide radius track

Either: (1) there is a short thru the insulation between the ties and the rail in one track section, or (2) there is a short in the track clip you are using, or (3) there is a problem in your rolling stock; possibly some piece of your rolling stock is riding differently on the k-line than on your other track and shorting out (both side frames of a truck may be touching the rail for instance), or else (4) the problem is in your transformer.. This can be a very tough short to find. i had one like it on my holiday layout. I narrowed it down to a few possible track sections and replaced them all, but on the workbench it took 2 weeks to locate the short! Let's Sherlock Holmes it, i.e. use deductive logic. There are two ways to test the track: test each piece individually with a continuity tester. The piece that shows continuity between the rails is the culprit. If that doesn't work, set up a loop of the K-line with no rolling stock on it. start with a few pieces. Apply track power. If there is no short, keep adding track one section at a time until you get a short,or the circle is complete. If you get a short only when the circle is complete, turn off the track power and quickly run your bare hand over the entire loop, including the track clip and wires to it. The place where the short is occurring should be warm or hot. Short circuits often occur at the track clip or the wires that lead to it. This is how I finally located the short in my track. If you get a short only when the circle is complete, and opening a gap between any two sections in the circle eliminates the short, then your transformer is probably no good. Try another one. If you are able to complete the circle with no short, yet when you add a loco and cars a short occurs, add the rolling stock one piece at a time and eyeball it carefully. Try several different locos. Perhaps one piece can be identified as the culprit. Also try a different transformer and see if there is still a short. If none of the above tests solve the problem, we both should stop messing with s gauge trains and take up shuffleboard. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24487	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2003
Subject: Re: Scotch Brite Pads for Cleaning Rails

***((( JUST A NOTE IN REGUARDS TO THE SCOTCH BRITE IT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SCRUBBERS HOWEVER IT CAN AND WILL SCRATCH GLASS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW HOW ABBRASIVE IT IS )))*** I certainly agree,....it is not intended for ALL surfaces !! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24488	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: 324AC whistle and 'Gilbert Guru'

Set up my A.F. trains for the first time in many years in Nov. 2002. Have been carefully cleaning and lubing all moving parts of the 324AC and it now works great with the help of brushes/springs/smoke piston/wick/and smoke element I have purchased from "Leonard a.k.a. the "Gilbert Guru" on ebay whom I highly recommend as he is eager to help and seems to have even the most obscure parts in stock. Now the engine works great just like it did many years ago! Now, my plea for help!!! The 324AC has a built in whistle in tender which looks like a black bakelite body with a silver colored disc in its center (a speaker?) and has a old red paper long body capacitor wired to one side of the speaker. The capacitor has no values or volts printed on its paper shell. Anyway, I have never had the pushbutton and generator apparatus to make the horn sound. So, I purchased a 'diesel horn generator' and a 'air chime whistle' off ebay. Both have a bakelite body and pushbutton with a generator tube installed. Upon hooking them up to the 324AC loco I get only a faint 'buzz' from the speaker. I then placed a new 'air chime' capacitor I had purchased from RFGCO earlier last year in place of the original paper one ( the new cap was a very small orange colored one rated 50mf at 35 volts and came with a 72 ohm resistor which I did not use because there is no resistor in the 324AC tender), still did not work so I reversed the polarity of the RFCGO capacitor and still just a faint 'buzz'. Then I hooked up a small radio speaker in place of the tenders bakelite one and still only a faint 'buzz' when the 'air chime whistle' button is depressed. Could both the original capacitor and the RFCGO replacment be bad? Is there a way to get this 324AC horn to work? Much thanks, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24489	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: 324AC whistle and 'Gilbert Guru'

Mickey, The type of whistle controller that came with my 324AC back in 1950 (which I sold in the early 60's and just recently replaced) used a un-numbered controller similar to the one in the eBay auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3118504686&r d=1 Mine had a red handle. They show up on eBay once in awhile. I picked up one last month. Hope this helps Jim Hannawald > Set up my A.F. trains for the first time in many years in Nov. 2002. > Have been carefully cleaning and lubing all moving parts of the 324AC > and it now works great with the help of brushes/springs/smoke > piston/wick/and smoke element I have purchased from "Leonard a.k.a. > the "Gilbert Guru" on ebay whom I highly recommend as he is eager to > help and seems to have even the most obscure parts in stock. Now the > engine works great just like it did many years ago! Now, my plea for > help!!! The 324AC has a built in whistle in tender which looks like a > black bakelite body with a silver colored disc in its center (a > speaker?) and has a old red paper long body capacitor wired to one > side of the speaker. The capacitor has no values or volts printed on > its paper shell. Anyway, I have never had the pushbutton and > generator apparatus to make the horn sound. So, I purchased a 'diesel > horn generator' and a 'air chime whistle' off ebay. Both have a > bakelite body and pushbutton with a generator tube installed. Upon > hooking them up to the 324AC loco I get only a faint 'buzz' from the > speaker. I then placed a new 'air chime' capacitor I had purchased > from RFGCO earlier last year in place of the original paper one ( the > new cap was a very small orange colored one rated 50mf at 35 volts > and came with a 72 ohm resistor which I did not use because there is > no resistor in the 324AC tender), still did not work so I reversed > the polarity of the RFCGO capacitor and still just a faint 'buzz'. > Then I hooked up a small radio speaker in place of the tenders > bakelite one and still only a faint 'buzz' when the 'air chime > whistle' button is depressed. Could both the original capacitor and > the RFCGO replacment be bad? Is there a way to get this 324AC horn to > work? Much thanks, Mikey. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24490	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: K-line wide radius track

Alternate logic to the K-Line circle of track short circuit problem. When Russ says "circle of track", does he mean a loop that includes a switch? Could this be a case of a reverse loop short with the switch set for 1 train operation? That would explain why it shorts once the circle is completed. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24491	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - All gone but the SHS Track

All listed items have been sold except the SHS straight track. I thank you and the estate thanks you. I have been told that the money will be going to fund a scholarship in Civil Engineering at the University of Central Florida where Paul Hartman was a professor. Thanks again. More to come later. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24492	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Dead Short on loop of track

Russ, and Tom, Another thought on Russ's problem. Are you applying power to the loop with one track clip, or with two? If it is with two and the base posts are reversed between them, wouldn't this create a short? This may not apply, but just another thought. Good luck, Bill (near-Dewey-brother) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24493	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commericailism - Panel side hoppers

The container has left Hong Kong with our next shipment of two bay open top hoppers. Later this month, we will receive this shipment of panel side hoppers as well as the two new roadnames of composite hoppers and new numbers for the Leigh Valley and PRR that sold out in October. You can see images and order online at: panel side single car page: http://www.showcaseline.com/SidePanelHoppers/sidepanelhoppers.html panel side 3 car set page http://www.showcaseline.com/SidePanelHoppers/sidepanelhoppers3carssets.html New composite hoppers single car page: http://www.showcaseline.com/CompositeHoppers/compositehoppers.html New composite hoppers 3 car set page: http://www.showcaseline.com/CompositeHoppers/compositehoppers3carssets.html Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24494	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: "S" Fellowship

>>>SNIP>>> From: "beechcricker <BeechCrRR@...>" <BeechCrRR@...> Subject: Thank yous! I wanted to take a time out to express my appreciation to many of you that have answered my questions to date or in general provided excellent guidance for this relative newbie. . . . This is a great list--the wealth of info you all have amazes me. I'm sure glad I "found" you. Jeff Feldmeier Allen Park, MI >>> Dear Jeff, You're so right. There is something special about S gaugers, other than the fact that we're all nuts for modeling in this minority scale. It's not easy to be an S gauger, but that's part of the fun. (Although it's getting easier by the day.) This list (thanks again, Paul Yorke!) has had an emancipatory effect on our hobby. Those of us in the hinterlands are now connected. How many of you out there have actually traveled to visit with S friends that you've made through S-Trains? Why, if it weren't for this list, I never would have had the pleasure of meeting David Dewey of California or Roger Delthony of NY as they swung through Boise. Now, if I ever get to Allen Park, MI, I can look you up, Jeff. Who woulda guessed? I'll make a plug here for another group: NASG. I've been able to attend only one national convention, but my wife and I had such a terrific time and met so many nice people from all over the nation! Thanks to the NASG membership directory and this list, I know that wherever I travel, I'll be near an S friend. I don't know if our "other-scale" brethren can claim such a close family. Sure, there are those of us who sometimes need to take a Valium and go lie down, but we love 'em anyway. After all, they're S gaugers. There may be one or two who get disgusted with us for some reason and jump ship, like the fellow who recently posted about wanting to return to HO. We're sorry to see him go, but he'll be back. We simply have too much fun! Well, as one of the 749 on this list who don't often post because we can't think of anything to contribute, that's my 2 cents. It's a great time to be an S gauger, and here's to a glorious future! Remember — there's a reason that Superman doesn't wear "HO" on his chest! YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24495	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Can this really be a Diesel horn?

Got around to wiring in a 'Air Chime Whistle' to my track layout. This is my first experience with A.F. horns. When the button is depressed on the black bakelite horn body, all I get from the diesel is a loud chatter that sounds very much like a 60 cycle 'hum', almost as if a amplifier for a stereo had one of its inputs opened up. Then I tried my 'Diesel Horn' pushbutton apparatus, which looks exactly like the 'Air Chime Whistle' bakelite box with pushbutton and 4 prong oscillator tube in cardboard can and came up with the same kind of 60 cycle sounding 'buzz'. I purchased both of these 'whistles' on ebay and they look and wire up identical. What the heck is the difference between 'Air Chime Whistle' and 'Diesel Horn'? They both sound like loud 'buzzboxes' to me through the diesel 'B' chassis, and in no way sound like a 'horn'. Could the 4 prong cardboard covered tubes be defective? Thanks for your help, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24496	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Can this really be a Diesel horn?

<traindoctor2003@...> wrote: > What the heck is the difference between 'Air Chime > Whistle' and 'Diesel Horn'? They both sound like loud 'buzzboxes' > to me through the diesel 'B' chassis, and in no way sound like > a 'horn'. > > Could the 4 prong cardboard covered tubes be defective? No, they aren't defective. That's all they are, buzzers and the speaker in the engine is merely reproducing the sound of the buzzer. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24497	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Can this really be a Diesel horn?

They have a poor sound but should be clearly audible when the button is pressed. Hard to tell from the description. The performance of the tube in the controller is critical. It should vibrate at about 400Hz. The controller should emit a low volume but audible 400Hz. tone, independent of the loco, if you listen closely to it. If it does not, the contacts need adjustment. (If it doesn't work now you can't hurt it.) Cut open the tube and adjust the base and 15V contacts to oscillate properly. Then tape the tube back together. Scott Holm wrote: > > <traindoctor2003@...> wrote: > > What the heck is the difference between 'Air Chime > > Whistle' and 'Diesel Horn'? They both sound like loud 'buzzboxes' > > to me through the diesel 'B' chassis, and in no way sound like > > a 'horn'. > > > > Could the 4 prong cardboard covered tubes be defective? > > No, they aren't defective. That's all they are, buzzers and the speaker > in the engine is merely reproducing the sound of the buzzer. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24498	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: S-trains list members.....

***(((Between both sites does anyone know how many members there are? ( Omitting duplicated names between sites))))**** The S-Scale site has 432 members,...I have no clue how many are on both lists,.......and S-Trains is now up to 754 !! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24499	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Merry Go Round -2

Greetings to all! For the "Electricians" in our crew, A "how to" question for you - With a double "AA" motor for power The horses do not cower, Removing one "AA" slows them down (seems to reduce the RPMs by half) But still they are "going to town"! So what can be found To cut the power down, Again by half would do? That is my "How to", And my thanks to you! Best Wishes, Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24500	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Go Round -2

Charlie, Drop by your local Radio Shack and get a variable resistor. I use one on both my Ertl Merry-go-round and Ferris wheel. I can set them anywhere from full speed ahead to a nice slow gait. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24501	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1795

QUESTION : Do any drawings or technical information exist pertaining to the A.F. # 765 track Torpedo??? . Has any information surfaced since "49" other than a catalog description???? Doug, Tom , you two should have some input. Some one has to know. Jerry Dobbs 77-11644 Golden, Colorado ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24502	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1795

In a message dated 3/3/2003 2:02:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, grdobbs@... writes: > QUESTION : Do any drawings or technical information exist pertaining to > the A.F. # 765 track Torpedo??? . Has any information surfaced since > "49" other than a catalog description???? Doug, Tom , you two should > have some input. Some one has to know. > > Jerry Dobbs 77-11644 > Golden, Colorado > The track torpedo was never produced. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24503	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: AF track torpedo

Did someone say "Greenie Stick-M caps"? TJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24504	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: What is 'Track Torpedo'?

Now ya got me! What the devil is a 'track torpedo'?!?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24505	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - additional Offering

Group from yesterday is sold. Thanks a bunch. Here are two more (brand new in the box)items: SHS S Gaugian 40th Anniversary Boxcar $35 (have 3) PUTT Trains Industrial Switcher Kit $65 (unassembled) Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24506	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Diesel Roar does not roar!

Have a A.F. engine with 'Diesel Roar'. Have tried to no avail to get it to work. I think it is supposed to 'roar' louder as the transformer voltage is increased to the track. So far all it does is vibrate loudly when voltage is applied. The more voltage applied from the A.F.transformer, the more the reed/coil unit in the Diesel vibrates. It looks like some kind of a relay that vibrates madly when voltage is applied to the rails. Is this normal? Or is this the A.F. idea of 'Diesel Roar'? Sounds more like a giant misquito bug or dragonfly trying to take off to me! Is this all I can expect from this device?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24507	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: diesel roar

The thing vibrates like mad and one of the connections to the vibrator may have worked loose. Since the roar is so loud, many original owners cut a wire somewhere to shut the thing up. You might look for that too. Assuming there are no broken wires, you probably need either a new capacitor or a new speaker. To test the speaker, touch wires from a transformer set at low speed to the two speaker terminals. If you get clicking and other noises, the speaker is ok. If the speaker is ok, go to Radio Shack and get a 50 volt capacitor of 47 mfd. 22 mfd will do for test purposes if they don't have 47. They have quite a few that will do. Wrap one lead around each lead from the old capacitor. Try it. Perhaps you wil have to disconnect the old cap and connect the new one. At any rate, that should make it work. i have heard that polarized capacitors may explode if used with AC but have never encountered this. Some of the caps Gilbert used were polarized. In any case, if the roar works, you can order a non-polarized cap, 50 or even 35 volts, 47 mfd, jfrom Radio Shack on line just to make assurance doubly sure. If none of this works, scratch your head and utter your favorite profane phrases sequentially. Tom Jarcho P.S.: I wrote about the diesel roar in the Roundhouse in the Sept-Oct 1993 S Gaugian, if you can get access to a copy.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24508	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?

In the real railroading world, a track torpedo is an audible signaling device placed on the track that when run over but a train wheel explodes and can be heard for miles. It was used in several instances some for warnings for a following train and others to tell the engineer where the rear of the train was when backing for protection of a crossing etc.. They could be used in multiples to mean different things. The device was a 1-1/2" square x 3/8" block of percussion explosive that was attached to the track with a lead strap. Carl -----Original Message----- From: traindoctor2003 <traindoctor2003@...> [mailto:traindoctor2003@...] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] What is 'Track Torpedo'? Now ya got me! What the devil is a 'track torpedo'?!? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24509	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "traindoctor2003 <traindoctor2003@y...>" <traindoctor2003@y...> wrote: > Now ya got me! What the devil is a 'track torpedo'?!? A Track torpedo is a little divice that is about 3 in square it has what looks like a pair of wire claws that clip onto the rail ...when a train runs over it ..it explodes with a very large BANG ..they are equivelent of 1/3 stick of dynamite...3 of these are placed in a row on the track to WARN of immediate DANGER on a track line Ahead ...come to a complete and full STOP NOW....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24510	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: K-Line S Gauge Trains

Joe's Train Repair is pleased to be able to offer the complete lineup of the new K-Line S gauge train cars. All cars are available at the pre-order price of only $17.50 each, plus shipping and handling. For this price, a 30 percent deposit or a credit card of record is required. The cars are: K511-001 Ford S Gauge Boxcar K511-002 Timken S Gauge Boxcar K511-003 New Haven S Gauge Boxcar K511-004 MKT S Gauge Boxcar K511-005 Great Northern S Gauge Boxcar K511-006 ATSF S Gauge Boxcar K511-007 New York Central S Gauge Boxcar K511-008 D&RGW S Gauge Boxcar K511-009 B&O S Gauge Boxcar K511-010 L&N S Gauge Boxcar K511-011 Missouri Pacific Eagle S Gauge Boxcar K511-012 PRR S Gauge Boxcar K511-013 Pennsylvania Salt S Gauge Tank Car K511-014 Hooker S Gauge Tank Car K511-015 Texaco Fire Chief S Gauge Tank Car K511-016 Citgo S Gauge Tank Car Checks will not be cashed or credit cards billed until shipment. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24511	From: Dwight Dold	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: S List Digest

I guess Yahoo has done it again, I haven't received a digest since 2/28/2003. Help. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24512	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Lionel E-mail

Does anyone have the e-mail address and full name for Todd (the Lionel guy with the interest in AF)? Please share as I have misplaced his business card. Thanks, Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24513	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1795

I think we know it was never produced, but certainly some technical stuff must exist about it, if only "what it is!" I don't have a clue! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24514	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Scotch Brite Pads for Cleaning Rails

Hope you all know that you can get almost exactly the same thing as a Scotch Bright pad (except finer grit), also by Scotch at a good hardware store. You can put it on a flexible shaft and do an hours hand work in a few minutes. Great on track, etc. Jerry Hiett --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email at http://quickmail.quickhosts.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24515	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: 943 Flat Car?

On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 01:32:57 -0000, "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> wrote: >It's a cut down AF flat. Says in the description that it's custom >made. My wife-unit would call it "cute." I better not let her see >that auction, or I'll have to make her one, fer sure. Hey, must have been the "young" eyes I have... totally missed that "custom" word trying to locate that missing number in the book. So, how about showing your wife, and the building two - one for her and one for me!? <g> Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24516	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel E-mail

On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:46:35 -0800 (PST), Joseph Haenn wrote: >Does anyone have the e-mail address and full name for >Todd (the Lionel guy with the interest in AF)? Ditto... I tried to contact Lionel about the layout I am designing - since I am not opposed to using new items to keep the cost down and thank vendors for taking an interest in AF... got a very VERY *yawn* generic message back. Since I live close enough to DTW to go visit for the day via car, would be nice to be in touch with this person and maybe meet him while there. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24517	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Go Round -2

"For the 'Electricians' in our crew, A 'how to' question for you - With a double 'AA' motor for power The horses do not cower, Removing one 'AA' slows them down (seems to reduce the RPMs by half) But still they are 'going to town'! So what can be found To cut the power down, Again by half would do? That is my 'How to', And my thanks to you!" This was very artsy and all, but engineers are dull drones who require prose. Would you mind re-stating the problem with less flourish and more substance? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24518	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedo

At the risk of running afoul of Mark Twain's sage advice, I will remark that, to the best of my knowledge, there currently exists no reference to the Track Torpedo other than the single catalog entry (and advance catalog, I believe) with precious little detail. Never produced, cancelled in it's birth, the track torpedo has been a favorite of Catholics for 50 years! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24519	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Diesel Roar does not roar! (Oh, yes it does! :-) )

>Have a A.F. engine with 'Diesel Roar'. So far all it does is >vibrate loudly when voltage is applied. >The more voltage applied from the A.F.transformer, the more the >reed/coil unit in the Diesel vibrates. WELCOME . . . to the subtle nuances of Diesel Roar! That's all there is! You were expecting maybe, Railsounds? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24520	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: 324AC whistle and 'Gilbert Guru'

Dear Mikey, Good day - here are the Guru's thoughts on your dilema: It sounds like you may have a problem with the air chime tube. Inside the cylinder there is the following; a magnet coil, and a flapper with 2 sets of breaker points, one set on each side of the flapper. When energized, the coil makes the flapper moves from side to side, firing the points, and sends the current to blow the horn. From your description of the problem you are having, it sounds like the coil is ok, but the sets of points are corroded, stuck shut, or too far open. There are 2 solutions to this problem. First, drill a 1/8" or so hole on the side of the tube, about half way down, and spray some CRC 2-26 inside the cannister. You can be liberal with the spray, it won't damage anything. Let it set for a few minutes. Tap the cannister on the flat side on a flat surface a couple of times, sometimes this helps to loosen stuck points. Energize the unit a few times. You may want to spray it again. Energize it some more, as the heat from the points arcing combined with the CRC help to loosen corrosion on the point surfaces. If that doesn't work, on to step 2-take the cannister apart. This is how I perform this task. Take a hacksaw, and cut an X on the 4 prong end of the tube so you can unroll the edge of the tube from the 4 prong fibre disc. Next take a pair of small side cutters or needle nose pliers and unroll the edge of the can, like you would if you were opening a can with a can opener. If you take small bites, and use care hopefully you won't tear the rolled edge of the tube and be able to re-bend it back upon re-assembly. Once you have the cannister apart, plug it in the base, with engine on track and energize the horn. The points should arc a little bit, and the flapper should be moving from side to side. You can file the points with a fine grit nail file, point file, or some medium grit wet or dry sandpaper, if the points are looking burned or corroded. Sometimes the points are too close together, or too far apart-use needle nose pliers to re-adjust-and just little adjustments at a time-energize horn, adjust points, energize horn, adjust points, etc, until the sound is audible. Usually you only have to adjust the outside point of each set. I don't have any specs on doing this procedure (point gap, etc.), I learned how to fix these things by trial and error over the course of the last 30 years. Someone else may have a more technical solution to this task, as I don't claim to be the expert. I learned how to fix flyer over the years by having the good fortune of buying, selling and collecting tons of this stuff over the years. If you have any other questions, or find a procedure to fix this problem that is better than the one described here, I would appreciate a reply. If your generator is not repairable, and sometimes they aren't, we can supply you with one that works. If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you again. Sincerely, Leonard D Salins 111 Carolyn Drive Cross Junction, VA 22625 blueprince@... 800-409-1909 http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM ----- Original Message ----- From: <traindoctor2003@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 324AC whistle and 'Gilbert Guru'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24521	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: diesel roar

It is sometimes difficult to keep in mind that tastes and preferences vary amongst the brethren here. The diesel roar is one of my very favorite Flyer features, one that is totally unique to Flyer. No other trains have anything like it. It has a nasty, angry, powerful "get out of the way, I'm coming thru" quality to it just like a real diesel. Plus, with a little careful handling of the transformer handle, you can get it to roar as/before the loco starts up, again, just like a real diesel. When you alternate that with a steam loco with a crisp resonant sound chamber barking chechecheche as it goes by, you have got something exciting going on! Railsounds and that other polite sounding digital stuff doesn't come close. Fuggedabodit. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24522	From: AF336	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: diesel roar

Hey I am with you on this one as well. I love the diesel roar. It is a very "throaty" sound. I have an LTI NP B unit with rail sounds and it is kind of nice that it changes tone with speed, but it just doesn't have the "soul" of the original. Mark >Tom Jarcho: > The diesel roar is one of my very favorite Flyer features, one that is > totally unique to Flyer. No other trains have anything like it. It has a > nasty, angry, powerful "get out of the way, I'm coming thru" quality to it > just like a real diesel.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24523	From: John G	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?

=>> equivelent of 1/3 stick of dynamite I agree from first hand close up experience. My father purchased an old Northern Pacific depot to use for a farm shop. During the remodeling, my brother and I found many railroad items in the depot including 5 or 6 torpedos. Of course we didn't know what they were when we found them, but were intrigued by them - Little flat straps with a small puck in the middle. To gain understanding of the device, we used our time honored investigative tool - a 6 foot long steel bar. We placed the torpedo on a concrete driveway and whacked it hard with the bar. After the smoke cleared and dust settled, we were both surprised at what happened and that we were still alive. Our ears rang for hours and we had to pick out bits of gravel and concrete that were embedded in our shins. My blue jeans even had small holes from the blast. Amazingly we thought it was funny. We never did use that steel bar again for investigative purposes! John Gasal --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G. <am-flyr@t...>" <am- flyr@t...> wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "traindoctor2003 > <traindoctor2003@y...>" <traindoctor2003@y...> wrote: > > Now ya got me! What the devil is a 'track torpedo'?!? > > A Track torpedo is a little divice that is about 3 in square it has > what looks like a pair of wire claws that clip onto the rail ...when > a train runs over it ..it explodes with a very large BANG ..they are > equivelent of 1/3 stick of dynamite...3 of these are placed in a row > on the track to WARN of immediate DANGER on a track line > Ahead ...come to a complete and full STOP NOW....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24524	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Chat

For the information of anyone that might care, I am now again able to sign onto chat. Thanks to Chris Berger and Paul Yorke. Discovered a way in through the back door. Thanks, Guys. Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24525	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Chat

"Back Door Blackburn" Hmm, it has a certain ring to it, I like it!! ;-) S' David (PS, In case some members don't know, Steve and I exchange, um, "jabs" frequently--he's a great guy and spent a few days showing us around Idaho's more amazing scenery when we visited there a few years ago) PPS That's another great thing about this group, the people you sometimes get to meet in person!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24526	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?--more prototype adventures.

Some years ago, I bought a Fairmont Railways motor car from the SP Sacramento Shops auction. It was one of those amazing finds, a BO motorcar that didn't really have anything wrong with it! Fresh gas, charged the battery, cleaned the carb, and away we went! Well, after the first couple of trips (sanctioned, with an organized group) I decided to clean out stuff inside and make certain everything was OK. Alright, smoking wiring on the last trip actually made the decision for me! Well, I opened the small tool box under the "hood" and found a pile of torpedoes, some of them with crystalline stuff "oozing" out. Even I know that around explosives, "oozing" stuff is NOT good! so I removed them, one at a time, and put them in a larger, open box. On the way home, I stopped at the fire station to find out what to do with them. The firemen walked over, back away quickly and then donned those "environmental suits." "Sir, you'd better stay over here, away from the vehicle." This didn't make me feel any better, I had been sitting almost on top of that box riding some very rough trackage the week before! They called the bomb squad, who took an hour to show up. Well, those guys get out of their truck, look in the back of mine, "Hmm, Railroad Torpedoes. Well, we've got some other stuff to blow up, so we'll take them now." The guy unceremoniously opens the truck , dumps the torpedoes into a back and chucks them in the back of his truck, and they leave! So much for environmental suits! The fireman in the suit just looks at the transaction, looks at me and shrugs, and I headed home. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24527	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: diesel roar

I once repaired a three-digit NP Alco loco, that was nearly new. The roar was the most realistic one I have heard, down to the irregular Alco rumble. My NP unit has a broken tongue, so I don't know if it would sound the same! I thought it was totally cool. Now to find a replacement tongue for mine, it's the one that has a two-legged tongue. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24529	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: 324AC whistle and 'Gilbert Guru'

Leonard D Salins wrote: >I don't have any specs on doing this procedure (point gap, etc.), I >learned how to fix these things by trial and error Which is, I think, the ONLY way to "adjust" these vibrator thingies. Leonard's procedure sounds exactly like the tweaking I have had to do on a few of them. BTW, what these vibrators do, specifically, is switch the "hot" lead going to the track back-and-forth between the 7-15V variable post and the constant 15V post of your transformer (when the button is pushed, that is. When the button is not pushed, the "hot" track lead rests on the 7-15V post as per normal.) There should also be a very brief interval of "dead time" between make and break points in the vibration cycle when the "hot" lead is on neither one of the transformer terminals. The effect is to introduce harmonics (frequencies above the fundamental 60 cycle AC wave form) that get through the filter capacitor to the speaker. When the vibrator is at rest, all the speaker "hears" is what little 60 cycle AC leaks through the capacitor, which is there to act as a low-cut filter. The sound waveform is not a nice, neat 400 cycle (Hz) signal. It is a raspy, edgy combination of harmonics (multiples of) the 60 cycle AC oozing from your wall outlet, with most of the 60 cycle fundamental filtered out. Kinda interesting, really. Even "nostalgic," one might say. Well, for some of us anyway. :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24530	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Go Round -2

Gee Chris,.....I believe he wants to slow down the Merry-Go-Round,......:^) Rick. "For the 'Electricians' in our crew, A 'how to' question for you - With a double 'AA' motor for power The horses do not cower, Removing one 'AA' slows them down (seems to reduce the RPMs by half) But still they are 'going to town'! So what can be found To cut the power down, Again by half would do? That is my 'How to', And my thanks to you!" This was very artsy and all, but engineers are dull drones who require prose. Would you mind re-stating the problem with less flourish and more substance? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24531	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Scotch Brite Pads

I use a white Scotch Brite pad usually sold for cleaning bathroom tiles to clean the tops of my AF track. It does a good job without scratching the rails. Regards, John Harvey *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. *************************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24532	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Durability of AF Swithces

Today I applied power for the first time to a pair of early (1940's) AF remote control switches. I bought these from an estate over twenty years ago but never hooked them up. Before I acquired them they had probably been stored for thirty years. Guess what? They worked perfectly the first time without cleaning or oiling. Gilbert built them to last! Regards, John Harvey *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. *************************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24533	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: SHS Sounds

I see that the AC/DC version will run as DC. Correct? When it is run as DC does the sound system not work.? Which is the best sound system? The one for AC or the one for DC. How does it compare to the AM sound system? Thank Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24534	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: SHS Sound options

Dear Jim, All the sound modules that SHS markets with their F units operates on both AC or DC. DCC and the Dallee LocoMatic Sound System do not care if the current is AC or DC. But, with the Dallee when using DC, you need to turn off the ability to operate without the 10 button controller. You need to operate in what we call "Full LocoMatic" and for that, the 10 button controller must be in the circuit. In "traditional mode", you can operate with out the 10 button controller and use the OTT/AM or Lionel 2 button controller to operate the horn or bell. As these output DC over the track current to trigger the horn or bell, if you are using DC for track current, the horn or bell will constantly ring, much like what you get when you use the AM/OTT or Lionel AF sound units on DC. The difference is the 10 button controller and the ability to operate in another mode. Which is better? LocoMatic does not have the ability to address or select individual locos like DCC. But, it is less costly and a little easier to learn. The Soundtraxx sound units are polyphonic so that you hear multiple sounds at the same time, LocoMatic does not have this feature. You have a choice of 4 horns that are programmed into the chip of the Soundtraxx sound unit. These CV's can be selected to match you F unit more easily with railroads that had different horns than the standard WABCO. The Soundtraxx sound unit has a selectable dynamic brake sound, the LocoMatic sound unit has an automatic air release sound when the air tanks are purged of moisture. Each has it pluses and minuses, and we use both of them. As all of our electronics are "plug and play", they are very easy to change from one system to another. I guess the big thing is that we give our customers the choice of which they want. Don T. JAMES SLEETH wrote: >I see that the AC/DC version will run as DC. Correct? >When it is run as DC does the sound system not work.? >Which is the best sound system? The one for AC or the >one for DC. > >How does it compare to the AM sound system? > >Thank > >Jim Sleeth > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24535	From: IronHorse	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Can this really be a Diesel horn?

According to posts from the past the horn isn't much more than a static type sound. I always thought there was something wrong with my horn. Then came the posts saying it never sounded like a horn. T'would be nice to make a fix. -- Roger Hinds To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24536	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Go Round

Double A or Triple A, they are all 1.5 volts. Voltage is how this motor maintains it's speed. You say it is designed for 3 volts, but you have already divided that in half by jumpering out one battery? Reducing the voltage further will slow the motor but will also burn it out. I have no specs on this motor in front of me, so I must work strictly on electric principles. The motor makes a constant use of power. Power, in Watts= Volts X Amps. As voltage goes down, current goes up to maintain the same wattage. Eventually, the current becomes so high that the windings of the motor overheat and toast it. Yes, you can put a resistor in series with the battery. Clip it into that jumper wire you used to replace the one AA cell. If the second battery added voltage while completing the circuit, the jumper wire was neutral in doing so and the resistor will subtract voltage in the same position. Calculating the resistor: I=E/R where I is current in amps, E is voltage in volts and R is the value of the resistor in ohms. Finding for R, restate as R=E/I. Voltage (E) is 1.5. Current is really unknown, so we are guessing. At 1 amp, R=1.5 ohms; at 2 amps, R=.75 ohms; at 3 amps, R=.5 ohms and at 4 amps, R=.375 ohms. Figuring a heaviest current draw at 4 amps, power would max out at 6 Watts. That's really an unlikely high for a single flashlight battery circuit. 5W is more than enough. So, why not buy (Radio Shack) a 5 Watt variable resistor that varies anywhere from 0 to say 2 ohms. Then you can tweak the voltage to the speed you like. Switch over to a D cell and get a lot more running time. And occasionally sniff that motor for signs of burnout. Chris Zizzo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie&Edith" <Chancock@...> To: "ChrisZizzo" <busyboy@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:13 AM Subject: Merry Go Round > Chris, > Trying to motorize the Ertl County Fair ... Ferris Wheel and Merry Go Round > so they will rotate. Have taken the motor and gearing from a battery > operated car. The car wheel will provide a friction contact to move the > above. This part of the plan works. The problem stems from the speed of > the motor. The FW and MGR are rotating way to fast...almost a blur. The > hand control houses two AA batteries and is connected to the car by a two > wire cable. The control has a forward,off and reverse switch. I removed one > battery and bridged the battery space with a wire. This produced a > noticeable reduction is speed but it is still moving quite fast. If I could > halve this speed it would be just about right or find an adjustable > "switch"? Radio Shack offered a AAA battery as a solution but it has the > same voltage as the AA and produces about the same number of revolutions - > trying to count tape on the wheel as it passes. The motor measures a > resistance of 3 ohms. My thinking was to add a resistor to the space in the > battery case but have no idea of what size this should be. The motor and > gearing is a compact unit that could be easily built into a small house for > concealment. Adjusting current flow seemed to be a less complicated task > then trying to build a new gear structure. My hope was that someone on the > "list" had attempted this and would have a ready solution. My choice of > poetry over prose was an attempt to attract that person? I hope this > provides more helpful information. If more is needed, please let me know. > Thanks for your thoughts! > Best, > Charlie >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24537	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?

These were used on the UPRR and Santa Fe as follows:: The flagman goes out one mile and put down 2 torpedos 2 rail lenghts apart. He then returned to 1/2 mill behind his train and place two more 2 rail lengths a part and remaines there until recalled. When recalled he would pick up the 2 at the half mile mark. The train would leave. A following train will hit the first two and slow down to a speed where he can sotp short of any thing a head of him. If he hits a second set he stops. If he does not hit a second set within one mile of where he hit the first set then he may proceede. He never stops on hiting the first set. The only time he has to stop is if he hits a second set and is flaged by the flagman. "Edward G. " wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "traindoctor2003 > <traindoctor2003@y...>" <traindoctor2003@y...> wrote: > > Now ya got me! What the devil is a 'track torpedo'?!? > > A Track torpedo is a little divice that is about 3 in square it has > what looks like a pair of wire claws that clip onto the rail ...when > a train runs over it ..it explodes with a very large BANG ..they are > equivelent of 1/3 stick of dynamite...3 of these are placed in a row > on the track to WARN of immediate DANGER on a track line > Ahead ...come to a complete and full STOP NOW.... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24538	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?

You were very lucky. They tell the story of someone that put one on a rail and hit it with a sledge hammer. He got the sledge back through the head. I will tell you what I did see. We had a carload of company material in a train in the Emporia Ks yard. The westbound lead engine had to cut a car out of a the train. When they made a the joint putting the train back together the car of company material exploded. The doors came off, the roof buckled up in the middle and both sides bowed outward. Nobody got hurt. What had happened was a case of torpedoes was setting a long side of a traction motor that was not braced properly. When the coupling was made, the motor laid over on the case of torpedoes and boom. Somebody in Topeka caught hell for not loading the car correctly I used to use them for target practice with a 22 rifle. They did not explode when the bullet hit. Just a little pop where it was hit. Thank you Larry Jackman "John G " wrote: > > =>> equivelent of 1/3 stick of dynamite > > I agree from first hand close up experience. > > My father purchased an old Northern Pacific depot to use for a farm > shop. During the remodeling, my brother and I found many railroad > items in the depot including 5 or 6 torpedos. Of course we didn't > know what they were when we found them, but were intrigued by them - > Little flat straps with a small puck in the middle. > > To gain understanding of the device, we used our time honored > investigative tool - a 6 foot long steel bar. We placed the torpedo > on a concrete driveway and whacked it hard with the bar. > > After the smoke cleared and dust settled, we were both surprised at > what happened and that we were still alive. Our ears rang for hours > and we had to pick out bits of gravel and concrete that were embedded > in our shins. My blue jeans even had small holes from the blast. > > Amazingly we thought it was funny. We never did use that steel bar > again for investigative purposes! > > John Gasal >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24539	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: What is 'Track Torpedo'?

In the UK these are called detonators but are used in much the same way, as already described, to protect a stopped train from any trains that might be following. They are also used to supplement colour light signals in the event of heavy fog (not very common nowadays) and the signalman would have lever in his signal box to place these on to the rail head at certain key positions ahead of the signals that they are repeating. These detonators were colour coded for different purposes and used to have a 'best before' date and would have to be replaced when that date had passed, which meant that there were an awful lot of time expired detonators in need of disposal. One, illegitimate, means of disposing of them would be to throw a couple in to the coal bunker of a steam locomotive to surprise the unsuspecting fireman. One story I heard was that a fireman was busy stoking his charge one day when, all too late, he noticed that he had picked up a detonator on his shovel and had thrown it, along with the coal, in to the firebox of his locomotive. Thinking and acting fast, he shut the firebox doors. He subsequently heard the inevitable explosion and, on opening the firebox doors again, noticed that he had no fire left. On looking out of the cab of the locomotive and behind the train him he noticed the fire sitting neatly between the rails receding in to the distance burning its way through the sleepers. Regards, Mark.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24540	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Member Count

As of this morning. S-Trains members = 752 S-Scale members = 431 Overlap members = 195 (on both lists) In other words we have 752 + 431 - 195 = 988 members If you go to train shows , please give out a sheet of paper with the links to all your favorite websites and lists. New folks show up just about every day. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24541	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Superman

Remember — there's a reason that Superman doesn't wear "HO" on his chest! Now that my friends is what I call a GEM!!!! Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24542	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Track Torpedo

OK, so we now know what a real track torpedo is, but what was Gilbert thinking of doing? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24543	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Durability of AF Swithces

In a message dated 03/04/2003 4:13:19 AM Mountain Standard Time, brigadie@... writes: > Today I applied power for the first time to a pair of early (1940's) AF > remote control switches. I bought these from an estate over twenty years > ago but never hooked them up. Before I acquired them they had probably > been stored for thirty years. > > Guess what? They worked perfectly the first time without cleaning or > oiling. Gilbert built them to last! > > Regards, > John Harvey > John, I have found that to be the norm rather than the exception. They are marvelous things even though the scale oriented folks shudder at their aesthetics. Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24544	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedo

In a message dated 03/04/2003 8:12:59 AM Mountain Standard Time, imsscott@... writes: > OK, so we now know what a real track torpedo is, but what was Gilbert > thinking of doing? > He had them designed to use on 3 rail track. Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24545	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Member Count

So do we give the next second member a great welcome as number one-thousand???? TOO COOL!! Who woulda thunk back when this started with just us few guys looking somewhere to talk flyer that it would ever be this big?? Paul deserves a great round of applause for hanging in there through the "dark times" (ancient history, back when Lloyd disapeared) and keeping the list going! S' David "Darth" Dewey "Come over to the Right Size, Luke!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24546	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1799

But.... be aware that these can be VERY aggressive when on a flexible shaft machine. Easy does it!!! In the jewelry manufacturing trade there are many versions of these abrasive thingies specifically designed for the flexible shaft machine. Some look like crazy spiderweb wound into a donut, some are flap wheels with a few dozen abrasive flaps mounted on a common shaft, and radial bristle brushes where the "bristles" are plastic embedded with abrasive. 3M makes many of them. Some (including kits) can be seen at http://www.fdjtool.com/store/showcat.asp?cat=94 I've not done business with them - there are five pages there to look at. At http://www.silversmithing.com/shoptalk.htm#Abrasives they said, "Scotch-Brite products are outstanding for surface conditioning prior to buffing and polishing. Its grades range from extra coarse to ultrafine, and come in a variety of styles including pads, discs, belts, flap brushes, and wheels. All Scotch-Brite products are flexible and will easily conform to concave surfaces, quickly removing the deepest file marks while not gouging. When finishing the bottom of a tray, surface conditioning discs can be used on the flat side, either by hand or in an electric drill for faster cutting. Water or vegetable oil will increase the life of the disc and minimize dust. Scotch-Brite products are ideal for removing rust from hammer faces, stakes, heads, and other ferrous objects. Another plus is that Scotch-Brite, unlike steel wool, will not rust. You have used it to scrub your grimiest pots and pans in the kitchen; now it's time to bring Scotch-Brite into your studio. Ask for the catalog: 3M Products for Bench Area Operations." If you have a jewelry supply place in your area, best to go take a look in person. Jim Armstrong >Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:11:04 GMT > From: "theheadliner" <theheadliner@...> >Subject: Re: Scotch Brite Pads for Cleaning Rails > >Hope you all know that you can get almost exactly the same thing as a Scotch >Bright pad (except finer grit), also by Scotch at a good hardware store. You >can put it on a flexible shaft and do an hours hand work in a few minutes. >Great on track, etc. > >Jerry Hiett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24547	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Roundee-Go-Mare

If the mares are too frisky going 'round with one `AA' cell prodding them, then insert in the lead from the positive termianl on the cell a diode of the 1/2 A variety (from Rad Shack). The unbanded end of the diode connects to the cell and the banded end to the Amusement Park ride. This gives about .6 V drop and leaves the model ride with about .9 V for power. Hope this helpS. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24548	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedo

--- boss31@... wrote: > In a message dated 03/04/2003 8:12:59 AM Mountain Standard Time, > imsscott@... writes: > > > OK, so we now know what a real track torpedo is, but what was > > Gilbert thinking of doing? > > > > He had them designed to use on 3 rail track. I meant what were they going to be, little explosive devices for your toy trains? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24549	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedo

Lets face it....how many of us, as kids, ran trains head on to SEE THE CRASH!!!!!!!OR BUILT A BLOCK BUILDING!!!!!!...Maybe this was AC's way of adding a little fun...BLOW UP YOUR TRAINS so you could get another next year......After all...Didn't Addams use a form of Track Torpedo on his Layout!!!!! Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24550	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Cleanig tracks - a different thought

Everyone seems to be using "Scotch Bright." I however use Gojo - a soap like substance used by mechanics. Has anyone else used it? What are your thoughts about this? Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24551	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Cleanig tracks - a different thought

Dear Group, The Guru recommends spraying the track with CRC2-26 and running the trains around a couple of times - then wipe the track off with a cloth baby diaper (you can see what era the Guru is from) or another non abrasive textile. We hope this helps, and................. If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you again. Sincerely, Leonard D Salins 111 Carolyn Drive Cross Junction, VA 22625 blueprince@... 800-409-1909 http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24552	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: cleaning track

When applying chemical agents to the track, be careful not to use any substance that might attack the various rubber substances in traction tires (pul-mor). A cloth diaper makes an excellent track wiper -- just don't use it as a turban when you are through. Some Flyer track at least appears to have been plated with cadmium, which can be carcinogenic. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24553	From: skip64th	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: New train

I got my Flyonel MoPac Eagle passenger set from the Gilbert Guru today. WOW! Except for my wife and children, I think it's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. It's also the first time I've ever owned a train that was pristine in the box with all of the outer, inner and inner-inner packaging sealed and intact. I already had the extra coach and vista-dome and recently purchased the diner on eBay. So, now...if I can just get hold of a B-Unit, I'll be in 7th heaven. S' Skip Kendel

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24554	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Member Count

In a message dated 03/04/2003 9:03:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: > (ancient history, back when Lloyd disappeared) What ever happened to him? I have a financial interest in his whereabouts. Steve Blackburn AKA Darth Longmemory [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24555	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: NWSL motors

Hi All, You would think that after making many brass masters where I deal in thousandths of an inch, that I could measure the inside width of an RS3 hood. I was a *little* off..... SO, I have 4 new Northwest Shortline motors item # 29401-9 that I am offering for a quick sale. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/NWSL.jpg They are $31.95 list price. I will sell 4 of them for $90.00 + shipping to the first interested response. They are just under 1 1/4 " in diameter. There are no flats on the sides. They are round. The body of the motor is about 1 5/8" long. The shafts are 2.4mm. These are perfect for most diesels, except a brass RS3. (:->) Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24556	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: NWSL motors

In a message dated 03/04/2003 5:21:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, billlane@... writes: > They are just under 1 1/4 " in diameter. There are no flats on the sides. > They are round. The body of the motor is about 1 5/8" long. The shafts are > 2.4mm. > > These are perfect for most diesels, except a brass RS3. (:->) > > Thanks > Bill > They won't fit in Flyer Geeps either. Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24557	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: New train

There was a bin earlier today for the "b"...but its gone, along with the extra cars..Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "skip64th" <skendel@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New train > I got my Flyonel MoPac Eagle passenger set from the Gilbert Guru > today. WOW! Except for my wife and children, I think it's the most > beautiful thing I've ever seen. It's also the first time I've ever > owned a train that was pristine in the box with all of the outer, > inner and inner-inner packaging sealed and intact. I already had the > extra coach and vista-dome and recently purchased the diner on eBay. > So, now...if I can just get hold of a B-Unit, I'll be in 7th heaven. > > S' > > Skip Kendel > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24558	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Track Torpedos

I believe that the concept was a device, contained in the little oval transformer case with a big button on top, that a child banged with a fist to stop and start a train. It had problems working with the 3 position reverse unit and elsewhere, so it was not produced. Can I ask a question here? What is the fascination with this thing? What are you guys into, trains or oddball junk? The track torpedo never existed, but if it did, would it just make your day? Does it somehow enhance your railroading experience. Would you spend actual money to own one? You can make one in an hour's time. Look at the picture in the catalog. This can't be hard. Would you like me to make a dozen? Would you pay me a hundred bucks apiece for them? I'd be happy to do it. Anything to realize your fondest toy train dreams. Will there be any more to this track torpedo thread? Are there still countless wonderful stories of track torpedo usage in America's colorful past? Or are we done? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24559	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Gilbert Torpedo

Greetings, OK, not a lot of information, BUT, in some collector book on American Flyer there is a reference to the development of the Track Torpedo. It was described as a metal case the same as a 314AW whistle controller but had a button (or two) that operated the device. The reference said the interior was unknown. I don't remember if anything other than a drawing/picture exists. Hmmm, it might have even been in the S-Gaugian. Bill (near-Dewey-brother) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24560	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedos

Someone wrote: >Will there be any more to this track torpedo thread? Are there still >countless wonderful stories of track torpedo usage in America's >colorful past? Or are we done? Someone's forgotten how skip posts again. I thought the thread was fascinating, especially the prototype anecdotes. Sheesh, next somebody will say, "Can't we get back to trains?!?" Wait, we WERE back to trains! Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24561	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/4/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Torpedo

Bill (near-Dewey-brother) Trefts wrote: >in some collector book on American Flyer there is a reference to the >development of the Track Torpedo...Hmmm, it might have even been in the S-Gaugian. Close. It was in "A.C.Gilbert's Heritage" by Heimburger House publishing, page 44 with a pic on 45. From the description of the 765 it was supposed to make a "bang" when a button was pushed. Two "bangs" slowed the train, three "bangs" stopped it. That was the intention, anyway. The picture shows what does indeed look like the small oval transformer case with two odd-looking buttons on top. It's interesting how much Gilbert was concerned with prototype sounds. Imagine what they could have done nowadays... Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24562	From: dicklong14052	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: The truth about Gilbert track torpedos

I saw the prototype in a train collection years ago. The metal case contained a loud speaker and a capacitor. The idea was for the capacitor to hold an electrical charge and discharge it thru the speaker when the button was pressed. It must have make quite a bang because after a couple of times it destroyed the speaker cone. I guess they couldn't find a strong enough speaker to go into production.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24563	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: New TTOS Car !!!

I'm wondering !!! Have any of you checked out the new car that the TTOS is offering in flyer-lionel S-gauge?http://www.ttos.org/cgi-bin/filmfacts? linde_tank.txt It is a Linde Industrial Gases Box/Tank car with a Internal Tank. It was ran between 1942-1991. I believe it is the first of it's kind in S ga? Any Thougth's ??? Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24564	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Dear Bob: Gomez blew up LIONEL trains. So applaud when you watch the first movie or the old show. There are now that many FEWER Lionel 3-rail trains in the world. ;-) Excuse me, I need to place my order for new Flyonel Moe-and-Joe cars.... Thorin Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:32:24 -0500 From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: Track Torpedo Lets face it....how many of us, as kids, ran trains head on to SEE THE CRASH!!!!!!! OR BUILT A BLOCK BUILDING!!!!!!...Maybe this was AC's way of adding a little fun...BLOW UP YOUR TRAINS so you could get another next year......After all...Didn't Addams use a form of Track Torpedo on his Layout!!!!! Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24565	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Moderator Please

Once again I ask the Moderator to please muzzle Chris's ridicule of others. I for one, enjoy a diversity of subjects and opinions. Why he can't hit <delete> like the rest of us is beyond me. Thorin > Will there be any more to this track torpedo thread? Are there still > countless wonderful stories of track torpedo usage in America's colorful > past? Or are we done? > > Chris Zizzo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24566	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1801

Chris Zizzo: The intent of my inquirers about the Gilbert Torpedo is to duplicate this item for my own personal collection, as close to original as potable. Since this media is for sharing information about S gauge trains I felt it was appropriate, SORRY I ruffled your feathers. I did receive many replies containing valuable information and will begin assembling a unit. Thanks to all that replied. There IS a lot of information that exists in our S group. Thank again Jerry Dobbs, Golden Colorado. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24567	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: S scale brick

Does anyone have a supplier for S Scale brick paper or the embossed plastic sheets? Thanks! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24568	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: Track Torpedos

***(((Will there be any more to this track torpedo thread? Are there still countless wonderful stories of track torpedo usage in America's colorful past? Or are we done?)))**** Chris,.....I could be wrong,.....but it sounds like you need to use your "delete" button more!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24569	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: S scale brick

***(((Does anyone have a supplier for S Scale brick paper or the embossed plastic sheets?))))*** How about "RailRoad Prynters" (Bill Pyper) (805)543-5939 FAX 805-543-9262 PO Box 13113 San Luis Obispo CA 93406 He makes sheets in all scales. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24570	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Chris Zizzo

Hey yo, Chris Zizzo is all right with me. Even though I have gotten singed by him on this list a couple occasions. He has a huge fund of information that he doesn't mind sharing, a gifted pen, and an agile mind that makes some very interesting connections between things. At his best he wrrites like an angel. He has helped me more times than I can count. Even his in your face style has been very helpful to us. He does not hesitate to beard manufacturers like Lionel in their dens and tell them the truth. He probably has had as much to do with agitating L to produce S , as anyone. If I don't like what he writes, I just delete it. Let it roll off like water off a duck's butt. But I am sure not gonna delete his posts until I have read them! I loved the stuff about the torpedo. Those were three of the funniest stories ever posted here. I think the reason some guys are so interested in the torpedo, the track gang, and other never-produced items is simply that Flyer didn't really make all that much different stuff, at least as compared to Lionel over the same time span. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24571	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Roundee-Go-Mare

- Greeting`S' - Gee whiz. Usually Chris Zizzo makes statements which I am so much in agreement with, that Will Rogers might have said that I was unnecessary. In the matter of accessories running at various speeds, usually the torque required is constant (not so with the sawmill). This means if the speed is halved, the power needed is halved. Put another way, the torque made available in the armature is proportional to current. Some of this torque is eaten by friction. The remainder is available at the shaft. So, Chris, if you don't mind, I propose that cutting the speed in half on an accessory that requires a constant torque will leave the current pretty much unchanged and the required power halved. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24572	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: March '03 MRN

All, I recently received my March, 2003 issue of Model Railroad News. There, front and center (front page), is a generally glowing review of the American Models Empire State Express (NYC) set. There is additional S content as well, including small news features on SHS hoppers and structures (American Model Builders) ,and ads for SHS (panel side hoppers), AM (E units) and PHM (structures). It is certainly nice to see a growing presence of S products being disseminated to the general model railroading community. Congratulations to all those responsible for this occurrence. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24574	From: John Brockmann	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Automatic hand-car reversing

I have a reversing hand car. Has anyone found a way to have it reverse automatically at the ends of a section of track without manually pushing in the appropriate pin on the car? I posted this before and still have not found an adequate way to do it. Thought it might be time to throw it out to the group again. Thanks to all in advance,John.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24575	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Sorry !!!

Sorry bout that Fellows! My early posting had a bad Link for the TTOS, S Gauge car! Please try www.TTOS.org Then click on our Products. And then check out the S Gauge cars. Check out the Linde Industrial Gases Box/Tank car with Internal Tank. I think it will be a nice addition! http://www.ttos.org/body.htm Regards, Jeff <afjeff56> S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24576	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: Hand Car Stoppers

--- John Brockmann <hcopter51@...> wrote: > ....reversible hand car. Has anyone run this on > their layouts on > a separate length of track isolated from the rest of > the layout? John: I run mine on a separate straight track powered by its own transformer. I use the Gilbert 730 track bumpers on each end of the track to stop the handcar. You can get them new, as they are being reproduced, or still find the old ones. To make the reversing switch pin have proper contact with the bumbers, I have placed a small thin block of styrofoam to each of the bumpers where the handcar hits the bumper. You can paint this or cover it if you don't like the white. Besides making the contact with the pin on the switch... my idea was to soften the blow to the handcar to spare the reversing switch, as well a softening the blow to the ends of the car itself. You have to adjust the position of the styrofoam and fool with it a while. You DON'T want the handcar going into these at full speed because the switches are VERY delicate or cheap (sorry A.C.G.) and I don't think the switches are being reproduced. I'm sure you all can think of other things to use besides the styrofoam to attach to the bumpers. My handcar track is all the way in the back of my layout and is elevated. For this reason, my styrofoam is kind of hidden. I, too would be interested in hearing what others have done. Regards, Dennis Back __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24577	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Way off topic

I just ran across this while cleaning out files....I think its cute..... http://www.maritimeconsultant.com/tugboat.htm Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24578	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: S scale brick

Rick, Do you have a web site/email for this supplier? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24579	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: WANTED: A.M. 80' U.P. STREAMLINER COACH FOR BUY OR TRADE

WANTED: A.M. 80' U.P. STREAMLINER COACH FOR BUY OR TRADE Will trade for an A.M. 80' S.P. STREAMLINER COACH already assembled WITH A.M.'s LIGHT KIT OR will purchase U.P. coach outright. If interested, please contact me off line. Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24580	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] March '03 MRN

Jay, thanks for info. I've never seen it in hobby shops. Who publishes it and do they have a website? Thanks. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24581	From: Dayna	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] March '03 MRN

http://www.modelrailroadnews.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24582	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Torpedoes

I also thought the thread on torpedoes was delightful. And it wasn't until Chuck's last post that we got '...the rest of the story.' If you don't like what you're reading, use your 'Delete' or 'Page Down' keys. Roger Delthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24583	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Automatic handcar reversing

it should be possible run a handcar or trolley on DC between bumpers so is reverses when it strikes one. If you run a handcar it would require a diode bridge implanted in it so it reverses by polarity, but a reversing handcar would not be needed. A regular handcar would do. You ought to be able to implant a small roller switch in each bumper , or even below the rails where the wheel flanges would actuate them A pair of #697 trips might work too. Then, you construct a circuit with a four pole relay. The first two poles of the relay would reverse the polarity of the track power to reverse the handcar. The third pole of the relay would be used to create a latching circuit for the relay. The roller switch at one end would be wired to feed a burst of power to the relay coil, thus reversing track polarity if it were struck. Once the relay were thrown, a connection through the n and no contacts of the third relay pole would continue to feed power to the relay coil, keeping the relay activated.. The roller switch at the other end of the track would be wired to interrupt power to the relay coil when struck. This would de energise the relay coil , because the latching circuit through the third relay pole would no longer feed it power. The track polarity would flip and the handcar would reverse again. The fourth relay pole could be used to alternately light one or the other bumper light, if you disconnect the bumper lights from the track. This type circuit could also be used in a DC - motorized accessory to limit and reverse motion of an eccentric arm or similar device. i will write this up in The Roundhouse if folks are interested. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24584	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Railroad Museum link & email for "RailRoad Prynters"

For those looking for an email address for "RailRoad Prynters", (printed goods for model railroads).....scroll to the bottom of this link... This is also the site of the San Luis Obispo (CA) Railroad Museum, which is 18 miles from me. The museum has a long way to go,.....but building up steam!!! Rick. http://www.slorrm.com/newsltr.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24585	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Question for DC operators

I have a question for those of you who operate your trains with DC track power and reverse train direction by switching the polarity. I use AC myself. The question is, which is the correct or standard way to wire a DC locomotive? In other words, if you have a drawing of a track running from left to right across a piece of paper, with a locomotive on the track, and the top rail is positive and the bottom rail is negative, should the locomotive be wired to move to the left or to the right? I know that either way will work, but I also know that there is a standard way of doing this throughout all gauges, and I would like to know what that standard way is. Thanks for your help. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24586	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Well, Waddayano! (was: Sorry!)

Jeff wrote: >Please try http://www.ttos.org/body.htm Isn't THAT interesting! Checkout the pic near the top of their homepage. The subject of the photo is obviously the McCoy Circus Layout, but look at the background, especially near the top. That off- white wall is a bulkhead of G deck on the Queen Mary. This shot was taken from the 2000 TTOS National Convention. (I didn't know it existed.) If you look at the upper left corner you'll see the bottom of the staircase our layout was crammed under. There are our skyscrapers, and at the middle is the main pillar that blocked our switchyard. That appears to be my wife-unit just right of the buildings. Dunno who that is in the plaid shirt. Is that my 15 minutes of fame? :^D >Check out the Linde Industrial Gases Box/Tank car with >Internal Tank. I think it will be a nice addition! I wonder if this idea originated with Lionel or TTOS. In any case, looks like somebody did a "Marx" with AF parts! (Not a bad idea, really.) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24587	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2003
Subject: Re: DC Loco direction

In a message dated 3/6/03 2:24:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 24 > Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 02:12:29 -0500 > From: jarcho@... > Subject: Question for DC operators > > I have a question for those of you who operate your trains with DC track > power and reverse train direction by switching the polarity. I use AC > myself. > > The question is, which is the correct or standard way to wire a DC > locomotive? In other words, if you have a drawing of a track running from > left to right across a piece of paper, with a locomotive on the track, and > the top rail is positive and the bottom rail is negative, should the > locomotive be wired to move to the left or to the right? > > I know that either way will work, but I also know that there is a standard > way of doing this throughout all gauges, and I would like to know what that > standard way is. > > Thanks for your help. > > Tom Jarcho Tom: It will go to the left. The standard is when the right-hand (engineer's) rail is positive, the train will move in the forward direction. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24588	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: S scale brick

Referring to their ad in MRN: "Over 20 different kinds of bricks, boards, blocks & rocks O,S,HO & N Gauges". There's samples and a price list for $2.00 They only list a snail mail address Railroad Prynters Department MRN3 P. O. Box 13113 San Luis Obispo, CA 93406 No phone # given.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24589	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: What gauge wire?

My latest basic question... What size wire should I use to connect the track clips to the 19B transformer? Is 12 gauge wire suitable or should I go with a slightly smaller gauge? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24590	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Gilbert Never-Mades

Tom Jarch wrote: <I think the reason some guys are so interested in <the torpedo, the track gang, and other never- <produced items is simply that Flyer didn't really <make all that much different stuff, at least as <compared to Lionel over the same time span. Tom, Gilbert did make the Track Gang, both pre-war and post-war, I believe. Joe's Train Repair is now reproducing this extremely rare accessory and has produced all new figure castings which have been reinforced to overcome the breakage problems of previous repros and these figures are mounted using a specially-produced machine stud as AC Gilbert did for Sam the Semaphore Man. Bases are done, figures are in hand, and painting has begun. These Track Gangs are expected to be available at York in April. BTW, the never-produced item you are probably thinking of is the Car Washer, another really neat accessory. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24591	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades

--- Joseph Haenn wrote: > BTW, the never-produced item you are probably > thinking > of is the Car Washer, another really neat accessory. The car washer was produced in the 1990's. Doug Peck and others sold them. Someone produced them from the original patent papers and specs. Regards, Dennis Back __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24592	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades

In a message dated 3/6/2003 8:37:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes: > Gilbert did make the Track Gang, both pre-war and post-war, I believe. Prewar only. Although catalogued, no Track Gangs were made postwar. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24593	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: The Acela was orignially called the American Flyer

Did you guys know that the high speed, northeast corridor train "Acela" was originally called the "American Flyer" ?? I didn't know it, but just saw this on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2162524446 Too bad.... Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24594	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades

Dennis, I am sorry that you misunderstood. I meant that AC Gilbert never made the Car Washer. And Doug Peck did not make it, although he sold it. Actually there were 2 versions of the Car Washer made post ACG. One was made with a man cast with a brush, which was not the way Gilbert patented it. The other correct version has a brush that goes up and down. Tom Seccia now owns the tooling for this "repro" accessory. Joe --- Dennis Back <backden@...> wrote: > --- Joseph Haenn wrote: > > BTW, the never-produced item you are probably > > thinking > > of is the Car Washer, another really neat > accessory. > > The car washer was produced in the 1990's. Doug Peck > and others sold them. Someone produced them from > the > original patent papers and specs. > > Regards, > Dennis Back > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24595	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades

Larry, Notice that repro is in quote marks. This was meant to imply that it was something announced and patented by ACG but never made by them. Joe --- ljack70117@... wrote: > Question!!!!!!! How can something be a REPRO if ACG > never made it?????? > What is it a REPRO of??????? > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > Joseph Haenn wrote: > > > > Dennis, > > > > I am sorry that you misunderstood. I meant that > AC > > Gilbert never made the Car Washer. And Doug Peck > did > > not make it, although he sold it. > > > > Actually there were 2 versions of the Car Washer > made > > post ACG. One was made with a man cast with a > brush, > > which was not the way Gilbert patented it. The > other > > correct version has a brush that goes up and down. > > Tom Seccia now owns the tooling for this "repro" > > accessory. > > > > > ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24596	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: What gauge wire?

Jeff, we have gone into this topic at length and there are several different "favorites" . Check the archives on this one. I like 16 gauge stranded speaker wire from Radio Shack. Works great, distributes power beautifully on my layouts. As I recall, some other guys use 14 Gauge stranded wire or even 12 gauge solid wire for bus wires. But check the archives. It is all there. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24597	From: gino restivo	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: re , GILBERT GURU IS NOT ......

Hi All , since i have rec 31 e-mail's from members on this list and some not , I will proclaim " I AM NOT THE GILBERT GURU ...... " , IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK WITH HIM THEN YOU SHOULD CONTACT HIM DIRECTLY , HIS NAME IS FRED JESTER ........ or his partner who has posted to this list recently ................................ and so i should not be getting anymore sily compliants about under cutting somebody else prices ......... YOUR E-MAIL'S HAVE OR WILL BE DELETED THANK YOU ALL , GSR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24598	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: What gauge wire?

In a message dated 03/06/2003 5:28:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, BeechCrRR@... writes: > My latest basic question... > > What size wire should I use to connect the track clips to the 19B > transformer? Is 12 gauge wire suitable or should I go with a > slightly smaller gauge? > > Jeff Feldmeier > Jeff, Use the largest diameter wire that will fit in the clips. You can almost never use too big wire. Steve BNlackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24599	From: waldootten	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Layout wiring question

To the electronic experts on this board: I am getting set to wire my 11' x 13' layout. I have five main lines, each hooked to a different transformer. I know I have to run a separate "positive" lead from each transformer's variable post (0-15 volts) and connect it to each main line (I will do this every 10 feet or so to avoid a current drop). THE QUESTION: Do I have to run a separate wire back from each main line to each individual transformer's base post (neutral) or can I use just one "neutral return" hooked to a single transformer for all five? It would save on time and wire. I think house wiring all uses the same "neutral" even though there are separate circuits. Can I do this or will it damage something? I have a 30B and an MRC Dual 270 and another Gilbert 100 watt transformer. Thanks in advance, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24600	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: DC direction

Tom, According to the Kalmbach book on wiring your model railroad, the positive rail is on the engineers side of the loco. In other words, neg on top, pos on bottom, loco will move from left to right. Tom Stoltz, NASG, MSG, TCA & formerly CCSG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24601	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades

I think John Heck had the first repro Track Gangs made. Doug Peck, correct me if I'm wrong. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24602	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Cabeese

You say you've got your heart set on a wood caboose for your favorite road, and you're growing pessimistic about anybody producing it in your lifetime? Mainline Modeler has a nice scratchbuilding series based on the Virginian C-1 running Nov. 2002 - Feb. 2003 that makes it look fairly simple. No need to mess with embossing rivets, forming fancy shapes or angles, just buy styrene, cut in mostly rectangular shapes, glue it together, paint it, decal it! ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24603	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: Layout wiring question

You will have to phase the 5 transformers. The common base wire has to go to all 5 transformers. And be careful if using DPDT reversing switches that you never cause any transformer to be connected out of phase with the others. waldootten wrote: > > To the electronic experts on this board: > > I am getting set to wire my 11' x 13' layout. I have five main lines, > each hooked to a different transformer. I know I have to run a > separate "positive" lead from each transformer's variable post (0-15 > volts) and connect it to each main line (I will do this every 10 feet > or so to avoid a current drop). > > THE QUESTION: Do I have to run a separate wire back from each main > line to each individual transformer's base post (neutral) or can I > use just one "neutral return" hooked to a single transformer for all > five? It would save on time and wire. I think house wiring all uses > the same "neutral" even though there are separate circuits. Can I do > this or will it damage something? I have a 30B and an MRC Dual 270 > and another Gilbert 100 watt transformer. > > Thanks in advance, > > Phil K > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24604	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Re: What gauge wire?

12 Gauge is way heavier than you need. For connection to track use as little as 20 ga. and take it from a 16 ga. bus that carries power from transformer to multiple points farther away. boss31@... wrote: > > In a message dated 03/06/2003 5:28:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, > BeechCrRR@... writes: > > > My latest basic question... > > > > What size wire should I use to connect the track clips to the 19B > > transformer? Is 12 gauge wire suitable or should I go with a > > slightly smaller gauge? > > > > Jeff Feldmeier > > > > Jeff, > Use the largest diameter wire that will fit in the clips. You can almost > never use too big wire. > > Steve BNlackburn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24605	From: William Lange	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: First Permanent Layout

After a couple of great years enjoying holiday layouts, I am cracking from the post holiday withdrawal. Space has been claimed and spousal approval has been given, I'm building my first permanent layout! I'm looking for some good detailed bench work references to start. I'm thinking of using two 4'x8' sheets of plywood in an 'L' configuration. Pictures and detailed cut lists would be great. I've been looking at some of the track layouts on www.thotrains.net but additional references would be appreciated. I would like to run multiple trains on a couple of loops, I've been reading and re-reading Tom's Roundhouse using the 2-track function of the AF Switches. Finally, a list of gotcha's and 'what I wish I had done different' thoughts would be great. As always, I appreciate the help! Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24606	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Automatic handcar reversing

Tom, this is not a personal attack at all. i don't know you, but I know that your products have an excellent reputation, and I also see that you work very hard to reach out to us, find out our wants and needs and supply them, and generally keep our scene moving forward in a positive way. You are worthy of my respect and you have it. I just happen to disagree with you about something. It is not true that an electronic system is better than an electric or electromagnetic system, merely because it is electronic. It is true that there are several devices on the market that will reverse a DC handcar electronically. I am sure the one you offer is excellent, as these things go. Dallee makes one, for example. I believe some of them offer added features such as an adjustable delay, slowing at starting and stopping, and so forth. (Incidentally, slowing the handcar before it strikes a bumper can be accomplished in my proposed system by adding two 40¢ resistors and cutting two gaps in the rail.) BUT some of us are cheap, some of us have nothing better to do, and some of us are cheap and have nothing better to do. The system I propose wuold be roughly half the cost of yours. I have to take issue with your presenting an "all electronic" device as 1) likely to "last forever", which is simply not true, and 2), as superior to an electromechanical device for toy train use. 1). An electronic device such as yours is basically composed of many tiny transistors,capacitors, resistors, and other components that are essentially microscopically thin tiny films of metal or semiconductor, connected by more thin metal film. Yet you propose to use such a device in a semi-obsolete electrical environment where brief power surges of 80 to 100 volts commonly occur. Good luck with that! Really! Because good luck is what one will need to keep it viable over the long term. Murphy's law is not a joke, unfortunately. In addition, with all the best intentions, which I am sure you have, the components which you have miraculously adapted into a Flyer friendly device are the products of an industrial philosophy based on...PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE. That is, these components were originally designed to be used in products that would have a relatively short life span and then be discarded and replaced, rather than repaired. They were designed to be as small as possible and as cheap as possible. They were NOT designed to be as rugged as possible. There is not a snowball's chance in hell that such a device will last for 50 years the way my Gilbert products have. At least, not in a New York City apartment. Of course, I am not gonna last another 50 years myself. There is that. 2) With an electromagnetic system, a layman can tweak and adjust relays, contact switches and such things until they perform to his satisfaction. An individual component can be replaced, should it fail. With a solid state device, failure means that the only choice left to the repair oriented user is which wall to throw it at. Then of course there is the issue of aesthetics. Some of us prefer sparks and ozone. Heavy metal! There are some electronic devices that ARE better than their electromagnetic equivalents. Modern current detectors are vastly superior to the Gilbert #670 track trip, and optical detectors are superior to the little #696 track trip, and the risk of failure is probably actually lower too. DCC and TMCC certainly have strong appeal as well. However, my point, again, is that an electronic system is not necessarily superior to an electromagnetic system, just because it is electronic. A system such as I proposed offers definite advantages in price, durability, and 'repairability' to those of us who are cheap and/or have nothing better to do. Tom Jarcho P.S.: Since my previous post, I have adapted this circuit to permit continuous automatic operation in a DC reverse loop - to - reverse loop system, in which the track switches are thrown automatically in front of the train and the relay controls the polarity of the track power.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24607	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: Jan/Feb 2003 Roundhouse correction

William Lange mentioned that he has been perusing my Roundhouse column on track planning with AF switches in the Jan-Feb 2003 issue of S Gaugian Magazine. For those hardy few who are interested, there is an error in figure 2 of that article. At the top of the drawing, in stop zone D, I omitted the two insulating track pins or gaps that actually create stop zone D. There are three black dots, representing wire connections to the rail, near stop zone D. There should be one insulating pin or gap in the top rail just to the right of the left most black dot. There should be a second insulating pin or gap between the two dots in the top rail toward the right of stop zone D. Unfortunately, I omitted these two insulating pins or rail gaps from the drawing. Thus, stop zone D is created by these two gaps or pins which I omitted. The wire shown as running between the rails near the top of the drawing is to run power around stop zone D, so the rest of the loop does not lose power by creating a potential dead zone in it. The wire from the center one of the three black dots to the on/off switch, controls power to stop zone D itself. When the switch is on , stop zone D is powered. When the on/off switch is off, no track power gets to stop zone D and the locomotive will stop when it enters the stop zone. There have been several errors in my drawings over the years. My wiring diagram of the AF switch in 1999 had a biggie. There's another in the drawing of the 3 train automatic siding of 2000. They even printed a couple of my illustrations upside down at different times. But those are easy -- just stand on your head while you read them! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24608	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: 324AC Whistle Control Box ... Help!

Well, I am not really a 'train doctor' but I love working on my old A.F. trains! I came across a vacumn tube number 117P7 GT and tested it on my good old Shell 'test-o-matic' tube tester and the tube tests out as good. Having grown up with vacumn tube equipment and having a lot of old tube radios and NOS repair parts available from my packrat friend, I was wondering if anyone could provide a schematic for the Whistle Control box for the 324AC Locomotive with whitle in tender. I think it would be a really neat project! I already found a nice metal enclosure, spring loaded switch, terminal strips, tube socket and old cloth covered wire and would really like to build one of these. Can anyone out there in S-Gauge land help me?!? Thanks , Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24609	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/6/2003
Subject: More catalogs posted!

I have just put online the Gilbert catalogs for 1940, and the 1953 advance catalog, which is somewhat rare... Enjoy... http://myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24610	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Vanderbilt tender

Years ago I saw a AF 4-8-4 with a home made Vanderbilt tender. I wish I had bought it because I never get around to all my projects. Since there is so much talk about tenders lately, can one start with 1/2 or 2/3 of a tank car and make a Vanderbilt tender. Since the with of a RR car is limited, the size might be the same. ???? Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24611	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Whistle control

In a message dated 3/7/03 4:50:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Message: 21 > Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 04:36:07 -0000 > From: "traindoctor2003" <traindoctor2003@...> > Subject: 324AC Whistle Control Box ... Help! > > Well, I am not really a 'train doctor' but I love working on my old > A.F. trains! I came across a vacumn tube number 117P7 GT and tested > it on my good old Shell 'test-o-matic' tube tester and the tube tests > out as good. Having grown up with vacumn tube equipment and having a > lot of old tube radios and NOS repair parts available from my packrat > friend, I was wondering if anyone could provide a schematic for the > Whistle Control box for the 324AC Locomotive with whitle in tender. I > think it would be a really neat project! I already found a nice metal > enclosure, spring loaded switch, terminal strips, tube socket and old > cloth covered wire and would really like to build one of these. Can > anyone out there in S-Gauge land help me?!? Thanks , Mikey. > > > > There is a schematic for this box on page 51 of Tom Barker's book, Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Operating & Repair Manual. Unfortunately, there are both a transformer and a choke with no values listed. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24612	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: wiring interconnected loops (was layout wiring question)

Phil: Chris Zizzo wrote an excellent long post on electricity called "Electricity 101" I have emailed you a copy. Enjoy! I am not an electronics expert. This stuff took me a long time to understand myself. But a lot of people ask about it so here goes. There is no "neutral" in an AC common rail or base post system. There are no + and - in AC. Two wires must be connected to each track loop. You say you have five loops of track on your layout. You want to power them with a 30B, an MRC Dual 027, and a 100 watt AF transformer. You have a total of 5 separate variable outputs from these units. If your five loops do not have any TRACK ( and track switches) connecting them but are just independent loops, then you just have to connect two wires from the rails in each loop to a separate transformer. If any of your loops do have track running between them, then you have to use a common rail system, at least on any of the loops that are connected to another loop. What this means is: 1.you have to connect the transformers to the tracks on interconnected loops in such a manner that the base post rail in one loop runs into the base post rail in the other loop. 2. You have to put an insulating track pin ( a flat toothpick will do) or cut a gap in the rail in the variable voltage connected rail between the two loops. Then when a train passes from loop to loop. When the locomotive passes this pin or gap, it changes from being controlled by one transformer to being controlled by the other transformer. 3. You have to connect the two transformers' base posts together. This connection already exists internally between the two base posts inside the 30B (although it is not shown correctly in the factory schematic diagram). 4. You have to make sure the transformers are "in phase". This is very important and should not be neglected. (Actually, the term "in phase" may not be completely correct, but Gilbert used "in phase" in its instruction book and it has stuck.) You turn both transformers on, connect the base posts of the two transformers together, and then briefly touch a wire to the two fixed voltage posts. If you get a large spark, the transformers are not in phase. If you get a small spark or no spark at all, the transformers are in phase. Unplug one transformer, rotate its plug 180 degrees so the plug prongs go into the opposite socket holes than before. Touch the wire to the two fixed voltage posts again. . Note which plug position produces the small spark or no spark, and mark the plugs on one side with paint or nail polish so you can plug them in correctly on subsequent occasions. All this stuff can be found in the later original Gilbert instruction booklet, They use different wording, of course. If more than two loops are connected together by track, then these rules apply to all the loops that are connected to each other by track. I prefer to test phase using the fixed voltage posts. It can be done by touching a wire to the variable voltage posts with both transformers at half speed, but the roller or scraper and the surface of the coil windings can be damaged by arcing if the variable voltage posts are used for the test.. Alternating current in your house wiring changes direction at 60 cycles a second. Placing fransformers in phase means that the electricity moves through all of them in the same direction at the same time. If this is not done, under certain conditions the transformer outputs will fight each other and the transformers will overheat. IMPORTANT NOTE: I do not think you can link your MRC Dual 027 power pack in phase with an AF transformer. Most MRC power packs control train speed by varying the shape of the AC wave form. AF transformers control train speed by varying the voltage, the pressure the current flows at. You should read its instructions very carefully or check with MRC before trying it. if you can put your MRC in phase with AF transformers, you have to do it very carefully. Get the instructions for this from MRC. If you use the"spark test" which is the quick and dirty way to do it with AF transformers, you can trash ANY modern power pack's digital control system. Maybe someone who uses MRC 027 power packs will jump in here with some better information There's one at the bottom of my junk box but I'm too tired to dig it out. I recommend you do the following: if you have two loops that are connected by track, use the 30B on them with the fiber pin or gap in the variable voltage post rail between the loops. If you have three interconnected loops, use the 30B and the 100 watt unit, placed in phase with each other. If you have two pairs of interconnected loops, use the two outputs of the 30B for one pair of loops and the two outputs of the Dual 027 for the other pair of interconnected loops. Follow the MRC instructions on how to do this. If four or more loops are connected together by track and switches, depending on what MRC tells you, you may have to replace the Dual 027 with Flyer or even Lionel (sorry, Duck) transformers, so you can put all the transformers in phase with each other and connect all their base posts. I have done this many times. You do have to run two wires to each loop. I include all this stuff because, even if your loops are not connected by track at this time, you may want to run some trackage between some of them in the future. You should know what would be involved if you did. As a safety measure, all your transformers should be plugged into a power strip that has an on/off switch, so that in case of trouble, you can cut off power to your entire layout quickly and completely. Tom Jarcho .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24613	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: David Avedesians S Gaugian Article

This was a great article and I think I will have to do something like David did, because I do not have the room so I need to build a Helix for a multi level layout. What I got out of it was it took 5 turns to go 18 inches for a 60 and a 52 inch diameter for a 2.3 percent grade. How about someone creating a Mod set of instructions on the number of supports and spacing. Or the need to increase the spacing between supports by ??? inches. David is saying he had to have a large circle to over come grade and friction problems. He decided to leave part of it open for viewing. My idea would be to put a chair in the middle and let someone sit in there and help keep the trains on the track. What I can't see is how to get the trains to leave the Helix with out getting in each others way. I guess you can let the outside one out higher on the bottom and go down some more. I think I would need to have a grade coming up as much as possible before going into the Helix, 18 inches does not look like enough for me. So any one have a sources for Helix information?? At least our track manufactures will be happy. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24614	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades

You are correct, although I believe John never made more than a handful of these. John's version was the one with the brush fixed in position. Later Joe Wozniak began producing the second version, in which the brush moves up and down, as per the original ACG patent. I would say that there were somewhere between 100-150 of these produced and marketed. For those of you who like variations.....there are also at least two significant variations of Joe's Car Washers. Anybody know what they are???? (I am referring to significant variations in appearance....nothing mechanical or hidden.) Joe moved to FLA, and sold all the tooling, etc, to Tom Seccia a few years ago. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted. <<<Subject: Re: Gilbert Never-Mades I think John Heck had the first repro Track Gangs made. Doug Peck, correct me if I'm wrong. Harwood>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24615	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: David Avedesians S Gaugian Article

There is a calculator...might help http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/helix/percent_grade.htm Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S Scale group" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 7:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] David Avedesians S Gaugian Article > This was a great article and I think I will have to do > something like David did, because I do not have the > room so I need to build a Helix for a multi level > layout. What I got out of it was it took 5 turns to > go 18 inches for a 60 and a 52 inch diameter for a 2.3 > percent grade. > > How about someone creating a Mod set of instructions > on the number of supports and spacing. Or the need to > increase the spacing between supports by ??? inches. > David is saying he had to have a large circle to over > come grade and friction problems. > > He decided to leave part of it open for viewing. My > idea would be to put a chair in the middle and let > someone sit in there and help keep the trains on the > track. > > What I can't see is how to get the trains to leave the > Helix with out getting in each others way. I guess > you can let the outside one out higher on the bottom > and go down some more. I think I would need to have a > grade coming up as much as possible before going into > the Helix, 18 inches does not look like enough for me. > > So any one have a sources for Helix information?? At > least our track manufactures will be happy. > > Jim Sleeth > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24616	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Vanderbilt tender

I tried to cut up a Pacific tender and a tank car....they don't look right when you put them together....Thought it would...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S Scale group" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Vanderbilt tender > Years ago I saw a AF 4-8-4 with a home made Vanderbilt > tender. I wish I had bought it because I never get > around to all my projects. > > Since there is so much talk about tenders lately, can > one start with 1/2 or 2/3 of a tank car and make a > Vanderbilt tender. Since the with of a RR car is > limited, the size might be the same. ???? > > Jim Sleeth > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24617	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: More 'Track Torpedoes' !

Actually, I really enjoyed reading the list members replies to the 'track torpedo' thread. As a avid S-guage hobbyist I was fascinated by the origin and members tales of the ubiquitious torpedo! Thanks to all! Mikey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24618	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: negitive- & + positive on 110

polarity there is a positive and a negative on all voltage including 110 volt on a main power board where your electricity comes into your house the color code is black for positive + AND WHITE FOR NEGATIVE DON't be fooled in to thinking that there is not there is also a green for neutral of which is for static ground use a volt meter for locating these wires the code will follow through the transformer to the system if you get this wrong it will short the system out so if you look at the wire plug the large spade on your plug is set up for a reason( polarity )to prevent shorting out you and your equipment and also giving you your in since phase that you are trying to achive happy phasing marv d [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24619	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Large spade

>the wire plug the large spade on your plug is set up for a reason( polarity )to prevent shorting out you and your equipment and also giving you your in since phase that you are trying to achieve < Yes, if you've replaced the old cord with the modern type that has the large spade, and wired it properly, you should have the phase problem solved. So, that may be a good reason to replace those 50 year old cords. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24620	From: Emily	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: D&RGW History

This one is for the history buffs: I have just ordered an SHS Denver & Rio Grande Western diesel ABA set and I would like to know if that road ever pulled a different roads passenger consists over their tracks and, also, did the D& RGW use other roads tracks to make the run to the West coast ? Much obliged for any help. Russ Sanford Redmond, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24621	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Layout wiring question

- GreetingS - The idea of a five main line railroad as operated by Phil is certainly appealing. His question about return wiring left me with a question. Are these five main lines interconnected with crossovers or shared sidings? If not, then the train on one line is very independent of trains on other lines. The nature of transformers makes the current paths on the outputs very independent, as well. If sekparate main lines is the case, then within the wiring, the common side must ultimately get back to the same transformer from which the variable post "positive" feed went out. Analogously, a lamp with only one prong of the plug inserted into an extension cord will not light. The paths out and return must be complete. Chuck is quite correct regarding layouts with interconnected main lines - crossovers and all that good stuff. The transformers may share a common rail and neutral wire. [For over a half century this has been called the common rail system.] Yes, the transformers must be phased so that the part of the cycle that the positive rail is truly positive on one line is the same part on the other lines which are interconnected. Incidentally, I have not had as much success in phasing a Lionel electronic transformer with AF transformers as I had hoped. The electronically recreated sinusoid of voltage is not in phase with the sinusoid on the power line (at least not the one I tried to setup several years ago in a Richmond, Va, show. Hope thiS helpS and cheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24622	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: 930 caboose Body types

Hi All, I'm trying to find some info on the different body types(as listed in the greenberg price guides) of the 930 caboose. What is the difference in a type 1 or 2 and a type 3 body? Learning something neww again. Thanks Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24623	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: positive and negative on 110

Folks, MARVD684's recent post on phasing is totally wrong and incorrect in every detail. AF transformers should not have polarized plugs on them, for example. I will answer it this evening, if Chris Zizzo doesn't tear his head off first. No time now. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24624	From: tallcornac@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: LTI American Flyer Collection

Do to unforseen financial conditions I'm looking to liquidate most if not all of my train collection. I have most of the LTI American Flyer pieces and boxed sets produced in the past 15 years. Most are in Mint to New condition having never been run of even out of the original boxes. Too many to list here. If anybody has a particular piece that they are searching for or the entire collection please contact me of list. Thanks in advance. Patrick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24625	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Transformer to track wires.

- GreetingS - Jeff asked a good question regarding wire size to go from track clips to the 19B transformer. Let's assume that the train runs at a goodly speed on 12 to 15 V. Further, we'll assume it is a dual-motor Rocket with four illuminated cars. On start-up, my Rocket draws near 5 A. If the transformer is 5 feet from the track clip, as the wire lies, then there is a total of 10 feet of wire involved. If the 19B will go to a max of 16 V, then 1 V can be dropped in the wire. Okay, 1 V/5 A = 0.2 ohms in 10 feet of wire. Consult a wire table which has wire resistance per 1000 feet. It will show that the resistance for 1000 feet of 20 gauge is about 11 ohms. For 10 feet that is 0.11 ohms. A few other numbers for solid wire: 6.5 ohms/1000 feet for #18, 4.1 ohms/1000 feet for #16, 2.6 ohms/1000 feet for #14. Increase the resistance about 5% for stranded wire. CheerS and hope thiS helpS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24626	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: negitive- & + positive on 110 PS: On DC wiring the color code

PS: The color code for DC wiring is Red (& just about every other color, Red being always the first color to be used) is used for Positive. Black is reserved for Negative always. A bare copper wire is used for ground. Green can be a positive in a DC system. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24627	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: RAIL CLEANING & SCOTCHBRITE

I have found at hardware store a sanding block made of a Scotchbrite type material. It comes in different grits. If your track is really bad the coarser grit works great with just 2-3 passes. Then 1 pass with a lighter grit. I then spray with Tuner cleaner from Radio Shack ( DeOxit 5 A Caig product is to costly) You should not have to use this more than 1 time if your rails were really bad . They are caller Sandblaster sanding sponges & are hand size & washable. Mike Strickland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24628	From: waldootten	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: wiring interconnected loops (was layout wiring question)

Tom -- Thanks for the great advice. I have admired your writing and knowledge for years. I forgot to include in my original post that I hope to interconnect all five loops with turnouts. Two loops are elevated and the other three are at "ground level." I gather from your detailed missive that I can run three loops that are "phased" with each other off the 30B and 100W AC Gilbert transformers by using insulated connecters on the variable rails at the turnouts. I plan to use the MRC Dual Power 027 for the other two loops, which will also be connected to each other. I will isolate the variable power rail on the three "AC Gilbert" loops using insulating connectors on the variable power rails at the turnouts, as suggested. To get a train between the three "AC Gilbert" loops and the MRC Dual Power 027 loops, how about I use insulated connecters on BOTH rails at the turnout -- the variable AND the base? That way, the different transformer types are totally isolated from each other, but I could still move a train between the loops if I "match-up" the variable rails on the two. Will this work, or will the pickups on the trucks be on different "transformer types" as the loco crosses over the insulators and cause a problem? BTW, I have no reverse loops planned anywhere on the layout. Thanks, Phil ________________________________________________________________ -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > Phil: Chris Zizzo wrote an excellent long post on electricity called > "Electricity 101" I have emailed you a copy. Enjoy! > > I am not an electronics expert. This stuff took me a long time to > understand myself. But a lot of people ask about it so here goes. > > There is no "neutral" in an AC common rail or base post system. There are > no + and - in AC. Two wires must be connected to each track loop. > > You say you have five loops of track on your layout. You want to power > them with a 30B, an MRC Dual 027, and a 100 watt AF transformer. You have > a total of 5 separate variable outputs from these units. > > If your five loops do not have any TRACK ( and track switches) connecting > them but are just independent loops, then you just have to connect two > wires from the rails in each loop to a separate transformer. > > If any of your loops do have track running between them, then you have to > use a common rail system, at least on any of the loops that are connected > to another loop. > > What this means is: > > 1.you have to connect the transformers to the tracks on interconnected > loops in such a manner that the base post rail in one loop runs into the > base post rail in the other loop. > > 2. You have to put an insulating track pin ( a flat toothpick will do) or > cut a gap in the rail in the variable voltage connected rail between the > two loops. Then when a train passes from loop to loop. When the locomotive > passes this pin or gap, it changes from being controlled by one transformer > to being controlled by the other transformer. > > 3. You have to connect the two transformers' base posts together. This > connection already exists internally between the two base posts inside the > 30B (although it is not shown correctly in the factory schematic diagram). > > 4. You have to make sure the transformers are "in phase". This is very > important and should not be neglected. (Actually, the term "in phase" may > not be completely correct, but Gilbert used "in phase" in its instruction > book and it has stuck.) You turn both transformers on, connect the base > posts of the two transformers together, and then briefly touch a wire to > the two fixed voltage posts. If you get a large spark, the transformers > are not in phase. If you get a small spark or no spark at all, the > transformers are in phase. Unplug one transformer, rotate its plug 180 > degrees so the plug prongs go into the opposite socket holes than before. > Touch the wire to the two fixed voltage posts again. . Note which plug > position produces the small spark or no spark, and mark the plugs on one > side with paint or nail polish so you can plug them in correctly on > subsequent occasions. > > All this stuff can be found in the later original Gilbert instruction > booklet, They use different wording, of > course. > > If more than two loops are connected together by track, then these rules > apply to all the loops that are connected to each other by track. > > I prefer to test phase using the fixed voltage posts. It can be done by > touching a wire to the variable voltage posts with both transformers at > half speed, but the roller or scraper and the surface of the coil windings > can be damaged by arcing if the variable voltage posts are used for the > test.. > > Alternating current in your house wiring changes direction at 60 cycles a > second. Placing fransformers in phase means that the electricity moves > through all of them in the same direction at the same time. If this is not > done, under certain conditions the transformer outputs will fight each > other and the transformers will overheat. > > IMPORTANT NOTE: I do not think you can link your MRC Dual 027 power pack > in phase with an AF transformer. Most MRC power packs control train speed > by varying the shape of the AC wave form. AF transformers control train > speed by varying the voltage, the pressure the current flows at. You > should read its instructions very carefully or check with MRC before > trying it. > > if you can put your MRC in phase with AF transformers, you have to do it > very carefully. Get the instructions for this from MRC. If you use > the"spark test" which is the quick and dirty way to do it with AF > transformers, you can trash ANY modern power pack's digital control > system. > > Maybe someone who uses MRC 027 power packs will jump in here with some > better information There's one at the bottom of my junk box but I'm too > tired to dig it out. > > I recommend you do the following: if you have two loops that are connected > by track, use the 30B on them with the fiber pin or gap in the variable > voltage post rail between the loops. > > If you have three interconnected loops, use the 30B and the 100 watt unit, > placed in phase with each other. > > If you have two pairs of interconnected loops, use the two outputs of the > 30B for one pair of loops and the two outputs of the Dual 027 for the other > pair of interconnected loops. Follow the MRC instructions on how to do > this. > > If four or more loops are connected together by track and switches, > depending on what MRC tells you, you may have to replace the Dual 027 with > Flyer or even Lionel (sorry, Duck) transformers, so you can put all the > transformers in phase with each other and connect all their base posts. I > have done this many times. > > You do have to run two wires to each loop. > > I include all this stuff because, even if your loops are not connected by > track at this time, you may want to run some trackage between some of them > in the future. You should know what would be involved if you did. > > As a safety measure, all your transformers should be plugged into a power > strip that has an on/off switch, so that in case of trouble, you can cut > off power to your entire layout quickly and completely. > > Tom Jarcho > .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24629	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: D&RGW History

Russ, According to information on the D&RG at http://www.drgw.net/, looks like the line stopped at Salt Lake City. This agrees with my mental images of the line from the old days. They have a ton of info at the site. Another good site on the line is: http://www.drgw.org/ From my D&RG database is this that I copied from somewhere sometime in the past: "The Denver and Rio Grande connects Salt Lake City with Colorado and the East and taps the great coal belt and other mineral bearing zones of eastern Utah. It passes through a country unrivaled for scenic grandeur, as well as forming a line in one of the great transcontinental arteries of commerce. The Western Pacific completed this link to the Pacific Coast. It transverses a great region whose possibilities have scarcely been touched. It is built for miles in Utah on a bed of solid salt, which covers an area, nine miles by thirty miles, and has an average depth of ten feet." As far as to passenger cars, a look-see through the old photo file shows lots of different line freight cars behind D&RG engines, but only their own passenger cars. This is not to say that they didn't sneak some in when these pictures weren't being taken. Jerry Hiett Emily writes: > This one is for the history buffs: I have just ordered an SHS Denver & Rio Grande Western diesel ABA set and I would like to know if that road ever pulled a different roads passenger consists over their tracks and, also, did the D& RGW use other roads tracks to make the run to the West coast ? > Much obliged for any help. > > Russ Sanford > Redmond, OR > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email at http://quickmail.quickhosts.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24630	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1804

In a message dated 3/7/03 4:50:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Subject: First Permanent Layout William, I have a copy of Linn Westcott's "101 Track Plans For Model Railroaders" and it is packed with many styles of plans and great information and answers to the questions we ask ourselves as we stand in that "spouse approved" site. You should be able to pick up a copy at your hobby store or have them order it for you. I highly recommend it. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24631	From: afsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Walthers and SHS

Just was paging through the March Wathers / Terminal Shop flyer and was surprised when on page 40 spotted a "S" heading. They actually have 2 S-Helper items on sale this month. They list the F3 A / B engine set in 9 markings and also the standard flatcar in 5 markings. Really great to see them there as it confirms S as a marketable scale to a growing audience. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24632	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: Threaded rods

I use 1/2" threaded rods all the time in Structural tie downs for Structures...They come in 10' lengths..and would work fine for plywood spirals...Just put A nut above and below the p/w...then adjust as needed.......they might make a smaller size but they are too weak for my use....What I need is about 1/16" to 3/32" threaded rods about 12" + long to use in wood Bridges, Turntables, Etc. that I have made .......... Any ideas on this size? Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24633	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Greenberg Shows Sold

Well, picked up some news to pass on today. From two sources. Greenberg Shows, (owned by Kalmbach Publishing Co.), was sold to GATS. Very recently. Also Greenberg auctions along with it. Their April auction Will be their last. Dont know if the name will be continued to be used. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24634	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 9, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24635	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: negitive- & + positive on 110

Well, you are right 50% of the time. AC operates on a cycle of 60 which means electricity pulses 60 times per second one direction and they 60 times the other direction per second. I will let the gurus get deaper into this. My electrical engineer/contractor says this could get to an interesting conversation. Howard Sheffield >polarity there is a positive and a negative on all voltage including 110 >volt on a main power board where your electricity comes into your house the >color code is black for positive + AND WHITE FOR NEGATIVE DON't be fooled >in to thinking that there is not there is also a green for neutral of which >is for static ground use a volt meter for locating these wires the code >will follow through the transformer to the system if you get this wrong it >will short the system out so if you look at the wire plug the large spade on >your plug is set up for a reason( polarity )to prevent shorting out you and >your equipment and also giving you your in since phase that you are trying >to achive happy phasing marv d > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _______________________________________________________________________ Internet Access, Shared & Dedicated Web Hosting. Colocation and Domain Name Registration at http://www.lanset.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24636	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Cabeese & the Virginian

...and it can go with the American Models FM Trainmaster and The Virginian hoppers. A good article for Mainline Modeler! Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24637	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: First Permanent Layout - Use Foam

Think about foam with supporting frames. Avoid the plywood. Unnecessary. Bill Darnaby in HO scale has good articles/information about use of foam. Woodland Scenics has additional products to use to gain height/develop scenery. Paul s. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24638	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] David Avedesians S Gaugian Article

Ask David himself - believe he's on this group. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24639	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: Thanks for your help

I just want to thank all the members who have recently answered my questions and sent me material. At the end of my next article is a list of those who helped that article (turret transformers) in a significant way. There are fourteen names, and ten of them are on this list. Others have helped me with other projects. Thank you all. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24640	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2003
Subject: VOLTAGE IS AS VOLTAGE DOES

WELL I GUESS THAT YOU HAVE MADE UP YOUR MINDS AS TO WHAT THE POWER IS AS LONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A SYSTEM NOT JUST RANDOM HAPHAZERD ELECTRICTY I COULD DEBATE ON IT BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT THE KNOW IT ALLS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT MARV DOBSON ZZZZZZZZZZZZZT turn the lights out [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24641	From: Alex	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Re: Automatic handcar reversing

Hi Tom! Your circuit idea is ingenious! And you once told me you didn't understand electricity. Hhhhmmmmmmmmmm..... Have a great weekend. == Alex in Maine -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:59 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Automatic handcar reversing it should be possible run a handcar or trolley on DC between bumpers so is reverses when it strikes one. If you run a handcar it would require a diode bridge implanted in it so it reverses by polarity, but a reversing handcar would not be needed. A regular handcar would do...........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24642	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Re: 930 caboose Body types

Dear Chris, I can send you detailed photos of all three types the early part of next week - please advise if this will be helpful, and............ If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you again. Sincerely, Leonard D Salins 111 Carolyn Drive Cross Junction, VA 22625 blueprince@... 800-409-1909 http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cbtrainnut1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 930 caboose Body types > Hi All, > I'm trying to find some info on the different body types(as listed in the > greenberg price guides) of the 930 caboose. What is the difference in a type > 1 or 2 and a type 3 body? Learning something neww again. Thanks > > Chris The Trainnut Burger > Dayton, Ohio > MVSG > NASG > SHSPL > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24643	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: S scale Structure

Mainline Modeler, December 2002, contains an article for scratchbuilding an S scale Hydrocal Structure. An EXCELLENT article by Phillippe Coquet. This is an especially good article because in addition to showing how to build a specific structure, it shows techniques that can be used "anywhere". Ted Larson Watch out for the latest Internet bad stuff!!!! http://www.komando.com/kolumns_cat.asp?catID=4138 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24644	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Re: negitive- & + positive on 110

Yeah, but the ACG transformers predate the large/small spade plugs! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24645	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: TTOS new boxcar w/tank

Jeff pointed this out to us all, and it is an interesting car. With the doors closed, it look just like another boxcar with interesting logos. Open the doors, and there's a gas tank inside, with an access ladder. Veeerdy interestink! And it's period too (40s to 50s) Hmmm. Thanks Jeff! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24646	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West may 3 & 4, sign up NOW!

Hey, y'all on the "left coast" (or nearby) The 4th annual Flyer Fest West is coming up--May 3 & 4! A great fun time in Galt, CA (Where the @!@$# is Galt??, WHAT is Galt??--Well, it's just a little south of Sacramento on old 99, and a nice small town with a great hall to hold a Fest!). The "Discount for early registration" date is March 15, so jump in now! The commemorative item for the meat is an Illuminated Water Tower that you can change the tank logo--if you don't like the Flyer Fest logo! (they are on an insert, easily changed at home!) Also, the evening Buffet BBQ dinner (HEY RICK!!!) Tri-Tip and Chicken, onlyt $16.00. and it will be at the meet hall, so you can hang around and chat S all evening!! Lots of Raffle & Door prizes too. Oh Boy HERK!! S TRAINS!!!!!! AND FOOD!!!! I will have info on my website soon, and I think Paul may already have info at S-trains. Be there, or be O! Heh heh heh! S' David D. PS Trading tables are still available too.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24647	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1805

D&RG History: The only passenger equipment I have seen on the route other than privately owned cars, is the California zephyr cars, a joint venture with CB&Q, D&RG, & WP, and their own passenger equipment made of all sorts of old to new used. D&RG had very few passenger trains (routes), including the old narrow gauge in SW Colorado. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24648	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Re: D&RGW History

Russ, The D& RG did power the California Zephyr Passenger train. AND with PAs! If only big L had done the CZ with them, instead of the WP scheme, which looks good on Fs, with stainless sides (yeah, the whole trainset they did should have been nickel plated, but that's another story!) but looked boring on the PA with silver paint. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24649	From: tallcornac@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Am. Flyer Collection

Thanks for the overwhelming response to my recent posting about selling some or all of my collection. I have received close to 30 inquires. I will answer each one. Please be patient. Thanks, Patrick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24650	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West Tower pics!

Yo! Heads up! Color pics of the Commemorative Tower for Flyer Fest West 4 are online now! Registration forms to follow. http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/Tower4.JPG S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24651	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West may 3 & 4, info online NOW!

Hi All Just got the Fest information online, including the registration form. http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/festwest4info.htm See ya all later! Be there or Be O (say it out loud--heh heh heh!) (yep, 5th grade humor, oh well . . . .) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24652	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West Info correction!

Hi all, The map didn't get FTP'd to my site, so it didn't load before! It does now, although it is a bit slow for us dial-up guys. Sorry about that! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24653	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Lionel Arbor Press

Some of you were looking for info ( including me ) an Arbor press and tooling for repairing trains. Here is a chance for you to own a genuine Lionel service station press made in the 1990's. I almost bought one back then but thought the $350 price was too steep. Looking back, it would have been a good investment. On E-bay there is one listed at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3120225968&category=4146 I also found tooling for the presses at: http://www.ttender.com/ Another at: http://stanorrtrainparts.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/tools.html Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24654	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: AF whistles

Hi Guys, can anyone tell me what the original horn speakers had attached to them, and what the values were. I'm just trying to find out for a friend who is asking. somebody called him about a k325 or some number close to that. I know Doug sells new speaker kits with just one electronic part instead of the original 2. It also works great. I have them in my 325 and 336.. Thanks. Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24655	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 9, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24656	From: stanley	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

I have one burning question has anyone looked on ebay someone is painting up cars and putting them on as circus cars, i hope people arn't buying them thinking that they were part of the gilbert circus set, i think that a disclamer should be placed on the add. I also have seen other items painted up what do you think stan sobieski ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, March 9, 2003 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24657	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: 918 Mail Car = $356??

OK Guys, What's up with this?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3119305071&category=480 BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24658	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: (no subject)

>>OK Guys, What's up with this?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3119305071&category=480 BG1 << 25005 No Recorded Sales 25006 just a 918 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24659	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Re: CIRCUS CARS

People have been Repainting all of the Circus Items for years....Some are extremely good...Tca requires a sticker on it....But just about everyone knows Flyer never made most of the other cars...Ie: Caboose, tank, flood, etc...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "stanley" <americanflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > I have one burning question has anyone looked on ebay someone is painting up > cars and putting them on as circus cars, i hope people arn't buying them > thinking that they were part of the gilbert circus set, i think that a > disclamer should be placed on the add. I also have seen other items painted > up what do you think stan sobieski > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:02 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > > > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > > > Sunday Chat > > > > Date: Sunday, March 9, 2003 > > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > > > This is our weekly chat session. > > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > > 8 PM EST > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24660	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Re: 918 Mail Car = $356??

In a message dated 03/09/2003 5:26:05 PM Mountain Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: > OK Guys, > > What's up with this?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3119305071&category=480 > > BG1 > Somebody wants the box really bad.....Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24661	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: strange catalog

<A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3119640438&category=480">Click here: eBay item 3119640438 (Ends Mar-11-03 19:00:00 PST ) - AF#D1782, Dealer Catalog,1955,***E+***</A> where did this come from? <A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3119640438&category=480">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3119640438&category=480</A> -Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24662	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Re: strange catalog

Yeah,....someone fill us in!!!! Rick. where did this come from? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3119640438&category=480">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3119640438&category=480</A> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24663	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: Re: AF whistles

Chris The Trainnut Burger asked: >can anyone tell me what the original horn speakers had attached to >them, and what the values were. Of the 3 or 4 AF whistle/horn units I've worked on, all originally had a non-polar capacitor of 25 microfarads, the voltage unspecified. (I'd look for a rating of 50 volts in a replacement.) Gilbert sometimes also installed a 10 watt (or there-'bouts) resistor in parallel with the cap to make the device "louder." I recommend NOT using the resistor. It partially bypasses the cap, allowing additional 60 Hz current to get to the speaker at all times, risking burnout of the speaker. The resistor itself also gets hot, which is why Gilbert service stations sometimes removed it if it melted a shell. In any case, the resistor wastes valuable power. I've made a horn boxcar for running behind newer diesels, which uses two 1.25" 8 ohm speakers connected in series. I use a cap of 8 microfarad instead of 25, because I've found that 25 microfarad caps leak a little too much 60 Hz current for these speakers. Shouldn't be a problem for the original speakers, though. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24664	From: John Huster	Date: 3/9/2003
Subject: 1955 Dealer Advance Catalog

This is the 1955 Dealer Advance Catalog. John Huster Yeah,....someone fill us in!!!! Rick. where did this come from? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3119640438&category=480"> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3119640438&category=480</ A>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24665	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: When you get real frustrated post to this sight and keep our happy.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 24666	From: David	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: 918 Mail Car = $356??

Nothing more than someone paying big bucks for a box. The car is common, the box is not. They'll pay dearly for the car to go in it of they don't have it already, and can even find one. I've never seen one in over 30 years. Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's in Excellent conditon!!! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@y...> wrote: > OK Guys, > > What's up with this?? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3119305071&category=480 > > BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24667	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: 918 Mail Car = $356?? No - it's the box!

Thanks to all who informed me that the value is the 25005 box and not the 918 mail car. It seems this is a very rare box, so how would you know it was an original factory box? For that matter, how does one distinguish between repro and original boxes?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24668	From: IronHorse	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Transformer to track wires.

To make it simple. In most cases 18 gauge will do. I use 16 gauge, but I have a good size layout. Don't use less than 18 gauge no matter what. If 20 gauge is involved in a short circuit, the wire may get hot and start a fire before a circuit breaker pops. If your transformer does not have a circuit breaker then wire in a incline fuse. 5 amp fuse or less.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24669	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: negitive- & + positive on 110

On your power coming into your house you have two black wires and one white and one bare ground. Black to black is 220 volts. Either black to white/ground is 110 volts. Green is not neutral but GROUND. Your positive changes 60 times a second. Black is positive 30 times and negative 30 times. That is why it is AC current. I have always called the black the hot line. You always cut the black line with switches. Never put a switch into the white line. The large prong on your plug is a safety item on things that do not have a third ground prong. The large prong always puts that side of your current to the white wire and prevents that side of your circuit from connecting with the black side.. Thank you Larry Jackman MARVD6848@... wrote: > > polarity there is a positive and a negative on all voltage including 110 > volt on a main power board where your electricity comes into your house the > color code is black for positive + AND WHITE FOR NEGATIVE DON't be fooled > in to thinking that there is not there is also a green for neutral of which > is for static ground use a volt meter for locating these wires the code > will follow through the transformer to the system if you get this wrong it > will short the system out so if you look at the wire plug the large spade on > your plug is set up for a reason( polarity )to prevent shorting out you and > your equipment and also giving you your in since phase that you are trying > to achive happy phasing marv d >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24670	From: david.avedesian@limbachinc.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: S-Gaugian Article

Dear S-Group: When I began to design the B&MRR in 1994, There was not much information available at the time that went into the geometry and construction of a helix. Since then there is much more. The helix calculator is very similar to one that I designed back in the Lotus 123.wk1 days. I made mine tell me for any given grade what would be the diameter required. The primary driver in designing a helix becomes the rail-to-rail clearance. this measurement must be cleared when the helix makes one turn. Therefore, if your "X" dimension is known, what is the "Y" length required to achieve the desired grade%? For my helix, I added together the height of the tallest engine/rolling stock, track height, roadbed plywood and free space. The lower the railhead-to-railhead "X" dimension, the smaller the helix diameter. I used the AF Franklin engine as my tallest piece. With regards to derailment, if you lay the track on the desired track centerline in a smooth and secure manor, you should never have a derailment in the helix. Now if you want to make your guests go dizzy watching the trains go around and around, that of course is a different issue. With regard to constructing a helix, I cut my roadbed from a 1/2" plywood. each piece was 90 degree of arc. I used a pencil on a string to mark my lines and a router with a long swing arm to cut each piece from a 4x8 plywood. It is key to cut each piece square on the 90 degree line. I constructed the roadbed and laid the track at the same time. you don't want to get more than a full turn ahead of your track laying. Otherwise the road bed overshadows the track on the lower level. I would join the 90 degree edges by using aluminum u-channel. I laid the u-channel over the outer and inner edge and through bolted the pieces together. At the 45 degree mark, i bolted a metal strap across the roadbed with an over hang on each side. each over hang had a 1/4" hole drilled through it. If you can imagine that I now have eight points on the turn with these straps. I used 1/4" thread rod to secure and adjust the spacing between the layers of the helix. When I completed the helix, i spray painted the entire helix with black paint. If I had known that the helix was going to be viewed, I would have thought more about the U-channel method of joining the pieces together. The 1/4" threaded rod works great. When designing a helix into your layout, it forces you to think in 3-D. It took me a while to "See" the helix and the track design. If you go with a double helix, just think about two tracks going in at the bottom and two tracks coming out at the top. when you get to the bottom or the top all you have to do is set up a loop of track to get the train back to the helix. I have sent an article that I wrote back in 1997 to Tom J. Perhaps he will be able to post it. However, if anyone needs more information, please feel free to post , em, or vm me. Also, If you all are in the Washington, DC area and would like to play trains, then give me a call. Also, if you have gotten the new AF train book, you will be able to see some of my trains and trackwork in the book. David Avedesian 301 938 1811 cell 301 929 9000 home 301 429 6655 work ************************************************************************ This e-mail is the property of the Limbach Inc. and/or its relevant affiliate and may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient (s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender and delete all copies of the message. This e-mail (and any attachments hereto) are not intended to be an offer (or an acceptance) and do not create or evidence a binding and enforceable contract betweenLimbach Inc. (or any of its affiliates) and the intended recipient or any other party, and may not be relied on by anyone as the basis of a contract by estoppel or otherwise. Thank you. ************************************************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24671	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: JADA Vehicles

I finally found some of the JADA vehicles at Wal-Mart. Some of them, such as the Chev PU and Impala look close to accurate 1/64th scale. Others such as the Fleetline look undersize, similar to many of the Johnny Lightning vehicles. All of these should be about 6 scale feet wide ( 1-1/8" ) see http://www.jadatoys.com/roadrats_1-64wave2.html For Revell, see http://www.revell-monogram.com/store/DieCastResults.cfm?SubjectId=0&ScaleId=32&TypeId=19&SkillId=0&x=34&y=7 ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24672	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: K-Line cars

Just got the K-Line catalog. Now everyone can pay $10.00 more for the cars in "S", for what are the same cars with "O" trucks, pages 120 and 121. So line up folks, for a fool and his money are soon parted!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24673	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars

Are you saying they sell the same cars in O for 10 bucks each? rodgers_carl wrote: >Just got the K-Line catalog. Now everyone can pay $10.00 more for the >cars in "S", for what are the same cars with "O" trucks, pages 120 >and 121. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24674	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars

That's right. On pages 120-121 KEYSTONE-KEEPSAKE cars $9.95 ea. 14 different road names. But the same bodies, doors, rails etc. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > Are you saying they sell the same cars in O for 10 bucks each? > > rodgers_carl wrote: > > >Just got the K-Line catalog. Now everyone can pay $10.00 more for the > >cars in "S", for what are the same cars with "O" trucks, pages 120 > >and 121. > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24675	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars

I must say, that these cars look rediculous with O gauge trucks. You can tell that the trucks are oversized and out of scale with the bodies. That gives me an idea. Buy the O gauge cars for 10 bucks, and for about another 10 bucks, put S gauge trucks on them! :-) rodgers_carl wrote: >That's right. On pages 120-121 KEYSTONE-KEEPSAKE cars $9.95 ea. 14 >different road names. But the same bodies, doors, rails etc. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24676	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars

--- rodgers_carl <rodgers_carl@...> wrote: > Just got the K-Line catalog. Now everyone can pay $10.00 more for the > cars in "S", for what are the same cars with "O" trucks, pages 120 > and 121. This is old news. Chris Zizzo already pointed this out in his post on 2/19 and there were a couple of opinions offered then as to why. > So line up folks, for a fool and his money are soon parted! I'm sure there are quite a few of us fools who are still going to buy those cars. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24677	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars

I have not seen them myself, but the pictures of the cars are still up on the website, although the link there is gone.. http://myflyertrains.org/k-line.htm They look like toys to me. :-) FiveChime@... wrote: >What about more specific information regarding these cars? >Are they any good or just very cheap in appearance and operation. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24678	From: AF336	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: An etiquitte question about ebay.

I need the opinion (in a not so hypothetical question) of the group. I am sure that given this group, I will get opinions <G> Here is the setup. I bid on an ebay item and was outbid by another party. I got a "second chance offer" from the seller as the person who won the auction does not intend to actually buy. (from this point they will be refered to as "deadbeat" With the proxy bidding system. the maximum bid I made was shown to the seller because the deadbeat had a higher bid. Quite frankly I had lost several things to this bidder and was determined to have it not happen again so I actually bid a little higher than I might have due to this frustration. The next highest bidder as around 50.00 below my high bid. The seller wants me to pay the highest bid I made. Another perspective is that if you throw the deadbeat's bids out then I should be expected to pay the next highest bid + the bid increment. Bids example : Deadbeat bid................400.00 my bid .........................375.00 next highest bidder........325.00 Another irritating fact is the deadbeat made 3 bids successively to bump mine up to my max of 375.00 Here is the question? Is the proper amount 325 + 5.00 bid increment for total of 330? Or is it 375? What do impartial members of this group see as being the right answer? Is this possibly a scam. The deadbeat doesn't appear to have ever purchased anything from this seller.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24679	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES

<A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3120889107&category=480">eBay item 3120889107 (Ends Mar-16-03 20:29:43 PST ) - American Flyer Train DIESEL SPEAKER</A> Someone was looking for a speaker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24680	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: O/S/Keystone cars

Well, not quite. (re: the post below) My contact at K-Line tells me that the S cars are 8" long alright, but shorter. In addition, the S cars have new S sized trucks and new couplers. The Keystone Keepsakes cars (have a hard time not typing Keystone Kops) on the other hand, have O sized trucks and O couplers, and are taller than the S stuff. Oh that it were so, to be able to get something for half price... Roy Inman :) Just got the K-Line catalog. Now everyone can pay $10.00 more for the cars in "S", for what are the same cars with "O" trucks, pages 120 and 121. So line up folks, for a fool and his money are soon parted!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24681	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] O/S/Keystone cars/correction

Whoops! Silly me. That should read "...that the S cars are not as tall as the Keystone variety," Sorry mia culpa :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:15:27 -0600 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] O/S/Keystone cars > > Well, not quite. (re: the post below) > My contact at K-Line tells me that the S cars are 8" long alright, but > shorter. > In addition, the S cars have new S sized trucks and new couplers. > The Keystone Keepsakes cars (have a hard time not typing Keystone Kops) on > the other hand, have O sized trucks and O couplers, and are taller than the > S stuff. > Oh that it were so, to be able to get something for half price... > Roy Inman :) > > > > > Just got the K-Line catalog. Now everyone can pay $10.00 more for the > cars in "S", for what are the same cars with "O" trucks, pages 120 > and 121. > > So line up folks, for a fool and his money are soon parted! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24682	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] O/S/Keystone cars/correction

Only going by the pictures in the catalog, they are the same. No not the same, Identical! So unless they have someother car body, they are the same. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > Whoops! > Silly me. > That should read "...that the S cars are not as tall as the Keystone > variety," > Sorry mia culpa :) > Roy Inman > > ---------- > > From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@e...> > > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:15:27 -0600 > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] O/S/Keystone cars > > > > Well, not quite. (re: the post below) > > My contact at K-Line tells me that the S cars are 8" long alright, but > > shorter. > > In addition, the S cars have new S sized trucks and new couplers. > > The Keystone Keepsakes cars (have a hard time not typing Keystone Kops) on > > the other hand, have O sized trucks and O couplers, and are taller than the > > S stuff. > > Oh that it were so, to be able to get something for half price... > > Roy Inman :) > > > > > > > > > > Just got the K-Line catalog. Now everyone can pay $10.00 more for the > > cars in "S", for what are the same cars with "O" trucks, pages 120 > > and 121. > > > > So line up folks, for a fool and his money are soon parted! > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24683	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay.

It should be the last bid prior to the bids by the reluctant high bidder. I would offer the seller that amount and no more. All the bids made by the deadbeat, should be thrown out, otherwise it's a shill bidder that got caught. My 2 cents. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "AF336" <AF336@h...> wrote: > I need the opinion (in a not so hypothetical question) of the group. > > I am sure that given this group, I will get opinions <G> > > Here is the setup. I bid on an ebay item and was outbid by another party. > > I got a "second chance offer" from the seller as the person who won the > auction does not intend to actually buy. (from this point they will be > refered to as "deadbeat" > > With the proxy bidding system. the maximum bid I made was shown to the > seller because the deadbeat had a higher bid. > > Quite frankly I had lost several things to this bidder and was determined to > have it not happen again so I actually bid a little higher than I might have > due to this frustration. > > The next highest bidder as around 50.00 below my high bid. > > The seller wants me to pay the highest bid I made. > > Another perspective is that if you throw the deadbeat's bids out then I > should be expected to pay the next highest bid + the bid increment. > > Bids example : > > Deadbeat bid................400.00 > my bid .........................375.00 > next highest bidder........325.00 > > Another irritating fact is the deadbeat made 3 bids successively to bump > mine up to my max of 375.00 > > > Here is the question? > > Is the proper amount 325 + 5.00 bid increment for total of 330? > > Or is it 375? > > What do impartial members of this group see as being the right answer? > > Is this possibly a scam. The deadbeat doesn't appear to have ever purchased > anything from this seller.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24684	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1808

LOOKING: for a tender chassis for a #312 Smoke in tended, with or with wheels and or draw bar. Some one out their have one in there junk box? Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24685	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay.

Dear F336, Good day! Since you were not the high bidder - you have no liability! All bids for that auction - are no longer pertinent. That is why it is called a second chance offering, because basically it is a brand new transaction - with the assumption that you are willing to pay the price you bid in the initial auction for that item, but you know what happens when you assume? The price that you feel is the right price now, should be what you bring to the bargaining table. For what it is worth, that is my opinion - and...................... If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you again. Sincerely, Leonard D Salins 111 Carolyn Drive Cross Junction, VA 22625 blueprince@... 800-409-1909 http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM ----- Original Message ----- From: "AF336" <AF336@...> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] An etiquitte question about ebay. > I need the opinion (in a not so hypothetical question) of the group. > > I am sure that given this group, I will get opinions <G> > > Here is the setup. I bid on an ebay item and was outbid by another party. > > I got a "second chance offer" from the seller as the person who won the > auction does not intend to actually buy. (from this point they will be > refered to as "deadbeat" > > With the proxy bidding system. the maximum bid I made was shown to the > seller because the deadbeat had a higher bid. > > Quite frankly I had lost several things to this bidder and was determined to > have it not happen again so I actually bid a little higher than I might have > due to this frustration. > > The next highest bidder as around 50.00 below my high bid. > > The seller wants me to pay the highest bid I made. > > Another perspective is that if you throw the deadbeat's bids out then I > should be expected to pay the next highest bid + the bid increment. > > Bids example : > > Deadbeat bid................400.00 > my bid .........................375.00 > next highest bidder........325.00 > > Another irritating fact is the deadbeat made 3 bids successively to bump > mine up to my max of 375.00 > > > Here is the question? > > Is the proper amount 325 + 5.00 bid increment for total of 330? > > Or is it 375? > > What do impartial members of this group see as being the right answer? > > Is this possibly a scam. The deadbeat doesn't appear to have ever purchased > anything from this seller..... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24686	From: firex43	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Track Torpedo, Modern Version

Having read about this unit that Gilbert didn't manufacture, I wonder if current technology could be used to make a better unit. Resistors connected to slow the train in steps by buttons or spring switch along with a digital sound chip or loop recording to provide the sound. Anyone with the tech specs please feel free to contact me. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24687	From: wintermutedm	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Air Chime Controllers on multiple train layouts

Hi everyone, I have a quick, and probably simple, question about air chime controllers. I have a layout that is split into three blocks (I think this is the correct wording): I can control 3 trains with three different transformers. Anyway, do I need a separate air chime controller for each block? Looking at the wiring explainations in the instructions book I have, I would guess so, but I wasn't sure. I picked up a nice 360/364 engine this weekend at the monthly train show. Love the thing, but now I need the controllers to make noise! Let me know how many I need, Thanks all -Denny

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24688	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: keystone cars

Calling these cars keystone cars is confusing. I think the PRR had keystone cars -- passenger cars in which the seats (and the windows) were much lower for a smoother ride. You had to step down to get from the vestibule to the aisle. I rode them in my childhood between NYC and DC. They ran in a train called of course "The Keystone". Hope to kitbash some someday out of Flyer 960 series bodies. So please call the K-line reissues something else! Now, if a body had O gauge trucks under it, it would be taller than the same body with S trucks under it, right? Another pointt: the boxcar that Gilbert built was based on one of the shortest height boxcars in the cyclopedia. Most were much taller. I htink this was because Flyer trucks were too tall, so with a shorter body the result looked right. If a boxcar body such as the Lionel 027 double door , or this one, is taller than a Gilbert boxcar, it does not necessarily mean the car is too tall for S gauge. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24689	From: waldootten	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay. ***This smells funny***

I have purchased almost 400 items on eBay in the last 18 months. This scenario sure smells funny to me. There is a possibility that the "deadbeat" might have been acting as a shill for the seller, a confidant who was raising the price of his friend's item by continually bumping up your bids. If you have to have the item, make the seller a fair offer of what you intended to pay and not a penny more. Otherwise, let the guy pay again to relist the item with eBay and you can bid again for it if you choose. And the "deadbeat" had better not bid again, either. I'd also look at the seller's feedback and previous auctions to see if the deadbeat bid on or won any other of the seller's auctions. Email me offline with the auction number so I can take a look myself. You may want to report this incident to eBay, as well. Phil K ******************************************************************* --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "AF336" <AF336@h...> wrote: > I need the opinion (in a not so hypothetical question) of the group. > > I am sure that given this group, I will get opinions <G> > > Here is the setup. I bid on an ebay item and was outbid by another party. > > I got a "second chance offer" from the seller as the person who won the > auction does not intend to actually buy. (from this point they will be > refered to as "deadbeat" > > With the proxy bidding system. the maximum bid I made was shown to the > seller because the deadbeat had a higher bid. > > Quite frankly I had lost several things to this bidder and was determined to > have it not happen again so I actually bid a little higher than I might have > due to this frustration. > > The next highest bidder as around 50.00 below my high bid. > > The seller wants me to pay the highest bid I made. > > Another perspective is that if you throw the deadbeat's bids out then I > should be expected to pay the next highest bid + the bid increment. > > Bids example : > > Deadbeat bid................400.00 > my bid .........................375.00 > next highest bidder........325.00 > > Another irritating fact is the deadbeat made 3 bids successively to bump > mine up to my max of 375.00 > > > Here is the question? > > Is the proper amount 325 + 5.00 bid increment for total of 330? > > Or is it 375? > > What do impartial members of this group see as being the right answer? > > Is this possibly a scam. The deadbeat doesn't appear to have ever purchased > anything from this seller.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24690	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay

There is also a possibility the buyer just may not be able to complete the deal.I have had more than a few of these recently.Has something to do with a bad economy I guess.If you feel you were getting shilled then I wouldn't bid the next time around either.I would just waith for a similiar item to come around.Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24691	From: waldootten	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Running two trains on one loop with a 1202

I bought a couple of RFGco's 1202 controllers. I hooked one up to a loop according to the instructions and was able to run two trains at one time, as billed. Pretty cool. But if I try to run a single train on the same loop, the locomotive always stops in the insulated section. I assume this is how the 1202 works because it isn't sensing a second locomotive power draw in either of the other two blocks to "open" the insulated section. Anyone else have this occur? I assume that I will have to wire the three blocks twice using DPDT switches so I can run a single train once in awhile. Or can I run one DPDT switch to the insulated section to let a single train through? Would this cause an electrical anomaly? As you can guess, I don't want to cook a $35 solid state device. Thanks for all the advice, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24692	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars

The S cars are the same as those on page 120 EXCEPT they have s trucks, s couplers and much nicer unique artwork. Now think about the advantage of ecomomies of scale that the O cars have and the S price is not that far out of wack. You could buy O's and convert to S helper trucks and couplers but then you'd have close to list price for S cars with crappo artwork. Scott Holm wrote: > > --- rodgers_carl <rodgers_carl@...> wrote: > > Just got the K-Line catalog. Now everyone can pay $10.00 more for the > > cars in "S", for what are the same cars with "O" trucks, pages 120 > > and 121. > > This is old news. Chris Zizzo already pointed this out in his post on > 2/19 and there were a couple of opinions offered then as to why. > > > So line up folks, for a fool and his money are soon parted! > > I'm sure there are quite a few of us fools who are still going to buy > those cars. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24693	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay

I've had a couple of deadbeat buyers myself. I have offered second chance opportunities to a couple of people at their high bid, but none of them have accepted. They want to haggle a lower price and are often more trouble than the original deadbeat bidder. I have even relisted the item and emailed all the unsuccessful bidders with the new item number - but none of them have ever re-bid on the same item. After wasting time with deadbeats, second chance offers and emails, I have adopted a policy that works for me: Give the high bidder three chances to answer emails with an address and payment. If no address or payment, record the deadbeat's ID and relist the item. Then go run the trains awhile!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24694	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: eBay truth or ID pirate?

Friends, This past week I received an e-mail supposedly from eBay saying my account is inactive and will be closed unless I update my information. "click here". And I just completed a transaction recently. I went to eBay and updated my personal information on the site. Now I've received another e-mail from eBay "your credit card information is expired - click here to update or your account will be cancelled." OK, I know this is an eBay issue, but many of you folks have dealt with eBay. Is anyone else receiving these message? And are they genuine? Your information would be appreciated. Thanks, Bill (near-Dewey-brother) Trefts. (Hmm, I might just change that to (nDb), faster to type!) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24695	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate?

There was a thread on the OGR forum about this same issue I believe. It appears to be a scam to get your Account Information. If you use the link in the message it sends you to a Look-a-like site. If you have any doubt go to E-bay.com and check your account there do not use any link in the message. My ebay account does not use any credit card info.?? Carl -----Original Message----- From: wmhtreftsv@... [mailto:wmhtreftsv@...] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 8:23 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] eBay truth or ID pirate? Friends, This past week I received an e-mail supposedly from eBay saying my account is inactive and will be closed unless I update my information. "click here". And I just completed a transaction recently. I went to eBay and updated my personal information on the site. Now I've received another e-mail from eBay "your credit card information is expired - click here to update or your account will be cancelled." OK, I know this is an eBay issue, but many of you folks have dealt with eBay. Is anyone else receiving these message? And are they genuine? Your information would be appreciated. Thanks, Bill (near-Dewey-brother) Trefts. (Hmm, I might just change that to (nDb), faster to type!) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24696	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate?

**(((If you have any doubt go to E-bay.com and check your account there do not use any link in the message. My ebay account does not use any credit card info.?? )))*** As a seller, my credit card is needed in order to pay ebay. Is there other ways to pay them?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24697	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay.

Tough Question. Theoretically, if you throw out the "deadbeat" bidder, your offer would be $5 more than the next higher bidder HOWEVER, by knowing your top bid, that is theoretically what you were willing to pay for that item, so the seller could expect to recieve that. This is assuming the "deadbeat" bidder isn't a shill helping out the seller. No "right" answer here! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24698	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate? PS

Guys, I have had the same thing happen to me. I called E-BAY & AOL as I got them from both. Anytime you get something like this ALWAYS call them by phone. Mike Strickland PS: They both were scams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24699	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate?

Bill, my near-brother, I'd check with e-Bay first, as there is a current scam going on with look-alike eBay sites to harvest credit card info, etc. I would be very suspicious of these postings! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24700	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate?

Guys, I have had the same thing happen to me. I called E-BAY & AOL as I got them from both. Anytime you get something like this ALWAYS call them by phone. Mike Strickland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24701	From: AF336	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay.

Thanks for all the suggestions. Since I am not obligated in any way I think I am going to pretend I never got the e-mail.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24702	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: ebay truth or ID pirate?

You might want to contact your state attorney general and complain. That is who handles that stuff here in NY. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24703	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: An etiquitte question about ebay.

***(((Thanks for all the suggestions. Since I am not obligated in any way I think I am going to pretend I never got the e-mail.)))*** Or just simply reply with,.."No Thank You." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24704	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Wow! Quick Replies "eBay" card scam

Friends, Thank you for your quick responses. 7 in just an hour! Great support group! I was suspicious and did not "click through" the e-mail. I will check into forwarding the one e-mail I still have to the real eBay. "Will the real eBay please stand up!" Thank you! Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24705	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: S-Gaugian Article - David A's Layout

David has a wonderful layout and is more than generous with his time. If you are in the Washington, D.C. area, I recommend you take him up on his offer of a visit. The helix is just one aspect of his layout that you'll enjoy. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24706	From: William Lange	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Wow! Quick Replies "eBay" card scam

Just got one of these today. I've contacted eBay in the past and forwarded the offending e-mail. They are scams. eBay says they will never request a credit card number by e-mail. Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24707	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: 283 loco on ebay....

I'm curious about the following item...says it's a 283,...photo shows it with a link coupler,... the 283 is from '54-'57, should have a knuckle coupler I believe,(Greenberg says it does also)....could it have been switched to a link....anyone ever see a 283 with a link coupler?? Hmmmm.... Rick. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3120066641&category=480 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24708	From: Karl Raab	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: !#@*?! TRAIN STUFF

I was at the GATS show in Chicago this past Sunday and came across some interesting "S" gauge rolling stock kits. I couldn't resist the price so I picked them up. I would consider them craftsman type kits, resin body sections wood floors, diecast truck bolsters, lots of detail parts...but what caught my attention was the company name..."!#@*?! TRAIN STUFF" and its address at 2 Roberts Road. New Brunswick, NJ....the address of S-Helper Service before their recent move. Did I find a bit of S-gauge history? I picked up 4 complete kits in all, two tank cars (from sections of PVC pipe) a high cube boxcar and a gondola. They are really well thought out kits, with beautifully detailed resin castings. I will attempt building them when I have some time to devote. Anyone know when these were made, ...probably late 70's early 80's would be my rough guess. ...and what's the story about the company name ...the "!#@*?!" is on the shipping label... One interesting further note in the assembly instructions...there are shims for the bolsters to assist in installing American Flyer couplers... Don even took care of us AF fans then... Any Information appreciated...Thanx in advance...Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24709	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES

That doesn't look like any speaker I've seen in AF locos, nor does it match any of the repair manual drawings I have. You sure it's AF? Better get its dimensions before bidding! Chuck F. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >ViewItem&item=3120889107&category=480\ ">eBay item 3120889107 (Ends Mar-16-03 20:29:43 PST ) - American >Flyer Train DIESEL SPEAKER</A> >Someone was looking for a speaker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24710	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/10/2003
Subject: Re: Air Chime Controllers on multiple train layouts

Denny wrote: >I have a layout that is split into three blocks I can control 3 >trains with three different transformers. Anyway, do I need a >separate air chime controller for each block? Theoretically, you could switch one controller amongst any number of transformers and blocks, but in practice, it's helpful to regard the whistle/horn controller as a subsystem of a given transformer (no matter how many blocks there are in the layout.) So, you wouldn't need a controller for each BLOCK, but you would need a controller for each transformer. Looks like, in your case, the # you need is "3" either way. >I picked up a nice 360/364 engine this weekend at the monthly train >show. That's the one I have! Doncha love those closed-pilot PAs? :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24711	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: WARNING..E-BAY SCAM

If you get an email like this beware..... Dear eBay User, During our regular update and verification of the accounts, we couldn't verify your current information. Either your information has changed or it is incomplete. Please update and verify your information by signing in your account below : If the account information is not updated to current information within 5 days then, your access to bid or buy on eBay will be restricted. go to this link below: http://www.ebay.com/accounts/memb/a...?dll87443%&2213 in the email they disguse the link to this server http://141.219.21.182/images/ebay/ I got in touch with Ebay and they confrimmed that this was a group of ppl trying to commit fraud with them and PayPal. ***Please Do Not Reply To This E-Mail As You Will Not Receive A Response*** Thank you Accounts Managent As outlined in our User Agreement, eBay will periodically send you information about site changes and enhancements. Visit our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have any questions. Copyright 2002 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24712	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES

Chuck, I really don't know. I saw it & thought about the guy looking for one. It's not mine, I don't know the person selling it ETC. You can compare it to the one you have. Mike Strickland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24713	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: someone wanted S Scale figures

http://www.scalefigures.com/ Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24714	From: David	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES

The speaker is in fact Gilbert. It was used in the GP7 diesels with horn (377/378), and the 326 Hudson. I've also seen it in a 481 Flash B Unit with Roar. I have two of them in my parts stash. Worth having if you can get it reasonably.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24715	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - Another One

2 items this time, both new in the box: SHS 00117 PENNA SW-9 Switcher #8521 $140 AM AMTRAK Superliner Set (phase llll) $250 Prices include shipping in the contiguous 48. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24716	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES

That most definitely IS an AF speaker. I come across that one quite often in doing repairs. Unfortunately, it is one that is easily burned-out, and I seldom have any success repairing them. (ebay ITEM # 3120889107) ORIGINAL MESSAGE: <<<<<Subject: Re: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES That doesn't look like any speaker I've seen in AF locos, nor does it match any of the repair manual drawings I have. You sure it's AF? Better get its dimensions before bidding!>>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24717	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: Air Chime Controllers on multiple train layouts

--- wintermutedm <dmerritt@...> wrote: > I can control 3 trains with three different transformers. Anyway, do I need a separate air chime controller for each block? You could conceivably rig the controller's red and green wires to a double pole triple throw switch and switch between the three loops. You wouldn't be able to use this with multiple trains or switch while anything is running, though. Having three different controllers, wired separately would be much easier. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24718	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - Another One - PA Switcher SOLD

The SHS 00117 PA SW-9 has been sold. Thanks. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24719	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] 283 loco on ebay....

That listing should be listed as 282 > > If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at > http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM > > Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you > again. Sincerely, > > > Leonard D Salins > 111 Carolyn Drive > Cross Junction, VA 22625 > blueprince@... > 800-409-1909 > http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:54 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] 283 loco on ebay.... > > > > I'm curious about the following item...says it's a 283,...photo shows it > with a link coupler,... > > the 283 is from '54-'57, should have a knuckle coupler I > believe,(Greenberg says it does also)....could it have been switched to a > link....anyone ever see a 283 with a link coupler?? Hmmmm.... > > > > Rick. > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3120066641&category=480 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24720	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: eBay truth or ID pirate?

Do not answer this e mail. It is someone trying to steel your personal information. EBAY DOES NOT SEND THIS KIND OF MESSAGES. DO NOT ANSWER. Rip off. Thank you Larry Jackman wmhtreftsv@... wrote: > > Friends, > > This past week I received an e-mail supposedly from eBay saying my > account is inactive and will be closed unless I update my information. > "click here". And I just completed a transaction recently. I went to > eBay and updated my personal information on the site. > > Now I've received another e-mail from eBay "your credit card information > is expired - click here to update or your account will be cancelled." > > OK, I know this is an eBay issue, but many of you folks have dealt with > eBay. Is anyone else receiving these message? And are they genuine? > > Your information would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Bill (near-Dewey-brother) Trefts. (Hmm, I might just change that to > (nDb), faster to type!) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24721	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: SPEAKER+++EBAY ITEM

I need one of those speakers, which is a Gilbert speaker by the way. Has anyone ever rewound one of those successfully? I have sometimes been able to repair the two thin wires you can see in the photo, but I have one in which the coil is toast. Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24722	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - Another One - Superliner Set SOLD

The AM Amtrak Superliner Set is sold. The estate thanks you all. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24723	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance...

I've hit a wall (I think) and need to make a decision on which type of road-bed to use. My first turn-out was with a piece of poplar (wood), turned out good for my first, however, the thickness is too high when mating up to cork or foam road-bed. The second turn-out (still in progress), the road-bed is foam, quite, however, soft (too flexible, as I spike in the rail) making the task a lot harder and slower. My dilemma will be, 'do I now try cork, for my third turn-out?' All ears open on this one. Chris Foden [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24724	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, nee d assistance

Chris, I use AM 148 track and used cork on my layout. I used "O" and cut it down to "S" but it is now available in "S" from several vendors. To mount the track I used 1/2" "O" gauge spikes in pre-drilled holes in the track. To hold the roadbed to the layout I followed the predrawn centerline of the track plan using Elmers wood glue and tacking the roadbed down with a brad air-nailer to hold while the glue dried. It worked out very well. I have pictures of my layout at: http://www.tuveson.com Carl -----Original Message----- From: Chris Foden [mailto:chris.foden@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:59 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance... I've hit a wall (I think) and need to make a decision on which type of road-bed to use. My first turn-out was with a piece of poplar (wood), turned out good for my first, however, the thickness is too high when mating up to cork or foam road-bed. The second turn-out (still in progress), the road-bed is foam, quite, however, soft (too flexible, as I spike in the rail) making the task a lot harder and slower. My dilemma will be, 'do I now try cork, for my third turn-out?' All ears open on this one. Chris Foden [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24725	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, nee d assistanc.

In a message dated 3/11/03 5:07:00 PM Central Standard Time, carl@... writes: > http://www.tuveson.com Carl, What did you use for the mountain graphics on the muslin? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24726	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Backdrop painting

Carl, What did you use for the mountain graphics on the muslin? ( <http://www.tuveson.com/backdrop/backdrop.htm> http://www.tuveson.com/backdrop/backdrop.htm ) Jack Riely ~~~~~~~~~~ Jack, Painted them. Here is how I did it.... Carl The paint I used was Martha Stewart's interior flat that I had custom tinted , the numbers were not put on the can so I can't tell you the exact shades I used. I bought 5 colors and white. The colors were a sky blue, medium green (almost Kelly green), dark brown, sunflower yellow, and black. With these basic colors I mixed a dark forest green (the first base coat of the hills) with the green, black and a little brown, and then several various lighter shades of green using my forest green mix, with white, and some with the sky blue and some with the sunflower, and some with the brown for variety. After painting the sky I freehanded the hills with a brush using the dark green and then used a sponge to create the tree top silhouettes at the top of the hills. Then using progressively lighter green mixes, sponged in more of the trees and their highlights with a few specs of browns here and there. The sponge was not saturated, used fairly dry and let the darker colors show through especially further down on the tree's foliage. I also brushed in a few hints of trunks and limbs with the brown. I did the whole back drop one color at a time and then went back and touched up where needed. By the time I was done at one end the other end was dry enough to do the next color. The sponges used are natural 2-3" sponges from an art supply shop. I really had a good time with it and was surprised how easy it was and realistically it turned out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24727	From: Don Abrams	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: EBAY AF speaker

It's the real animal. Used on late steam and diesel. Usually 5-digit, but late 3-digit too. Also HO. Don >Message: 19 > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:37:20 -0000 > From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> >Subject: Re: SPEAKER *** EBAY ITEM ****DELETE IF YOU HAVE ISSUES> > >That doesn't look like any speaker I've seen in AF locos, nor does it >match any of the repair manual drawings I have. You sure it's AF? >Better get its dimensions before bidding! > >Chuck F. >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >>ViewItem&item=3120889107&category=480\ >>eBay item 3120889107 (Ends Mar-16-03 20:29:43 PST ) - American >>Flyer Train DIESEL SPEAKER</A> >>Someone was looking for a speaker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24728	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: AF 751 "Pipe Loader"

Hello, Ya, This loader is a log loader, but I give up trying to get the solenoid mechanism to fully hoist the logs into the carrier. It just acts tired. After 50 years I guess It must be over the hill? I did make an interesting discovery. The loader will easily pick up grey pvc 1/2" electrical conduit---now aka pipe loader. They are lighter and have the size dia as the logs. Now--Pipe loader! Unless someone knows more here, I am now in the pipe business. PS. The motor in the machinery building looks to be made to last 100 years--it even has a gear box. It was tricky getting the buiding off the structure, but I can say that no one has serviced this unit since it was made in 1949? A tribute to Gilbert for making such a solid toy. Any recommendations for grease in the gearbox? The stuff in there now is very tired looking. John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24729	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Re: "eBay" card scam

In fact, it isn't just eBay. Absolutely no legitimate person will ever request your credit card number via e-mail. Internet e-mail is insecure by its very nature and any credit card info sent via e-mail will be subject to interception. You should never send your credit card number over the Internet unless it is to a site that begins with https:// and has the little "padlock" symbol in the bottom of your browser window. The lock symbol indicates that the communication is encrypted and therefore secure. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Lange" <blange3@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Wow! Quick Replies "eBay" card scam > Just got one of these today. I've contacted eBay in the past and > forwarded the offending e-mail. They are scams. eBay says they will > never request a credit card number by e-mail. > > Bill Lange > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24730	From: jack nichol	Date: 3/11/2003
Subject: Consigning collection

Hi! I'm helping a gentleman sell his inherited Flyer collection soon. Some items are listed below. I have not seen them yet so I am unsure as to condition. Check my website, www.NicksTrains.com, and sign up to receive emails as I get that collection and others. I hope to receive the items around 3/30/03. Thanks! Greg TCA, LOTS, LCCA, TTOS 21920/1 24016 21139 21918/1 24859 24863 24866 24856 21927 789 954 21106 772 24413 24124 21088 24109 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24731	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance.

My message seems to have laid some confusion in peoples minds, so I wanted to clarify what I'm doing. - I'm using Micro Engineering '148' code rail to build (turn-outs) switches; - I'm spiking the rail to Mount Albert (Krappler type) wooden ties' - The ties are glued to either a piece of poplar/aspen (wood) or compressed foam (Track-Bed by Woodland Scenics); - My plan is to mate these turn-outs up with American Models track (148 code). Which would be glued to Track-Bed or cork. To date I've built one switch, using the piece of poplar and I'm on my second turnout using the Track-Bed product. Due to the flexibility of the Track-Bed it is making the job of laying the turn-outs more difficult than need be. The other issue is that using the piece of poplar - the thickness is greater that either Track-Bed or cork, even though the first turn-out went down quickly and seems to work fine. I haven't used cork, as of yet, however, at this stage could build my third turn-out on it and see which is best or easiest to work with. Looking for every ones insight. Thanks for you time and consideration. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Foden Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:56 PM To: 's-trains@yahoogroups.com' Subject: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance... I've hit a wall (I think) and need to make a decision on which type of road-bed to use. My first turn-out was with a piece of poplar (wood), turned out good for my first, however, the thickness is too high when mating up to cork or foam road-bed. The second turn-out (still in progress), the road-bed is foam, quite, however, soft (too flexible, as I spike in the rail) making the task a lot harder and slower. My dilemma will be, 'do I now try cork, for my third turn-out?' All ears open on this one. Chris Foden

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24732	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance.

Opps forgot one more thing, and then the built turn-outs will be laid on 2-inch construction foam, which is on 3/8 inch plywood modular frame. Sorry about the last bit of detail being missed on my previous post. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Foden [mailto:chris.foden@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:28 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance... My message seems to have laid some confusion in peoples minds, so I wanted to clarify what I'm doing. - I'm using Micro Engineering '148' code rail to build (turn-outs) switches; - I'm spiking the rail to Mount Albert (Krappler type) wooden ties' - The ties are glued to either a piece of poplar/aspen (wood) or compressed foam (Track-Bed by Woodland Scenics); - My plan is to mate these turn-outs up with American Models track (148 code). Which would be glued to Track-Bed or cork. To date I've built one switch, using the piece of poplar and I'm on my second turnout using the Track-Bed product. Due to the flexibility of the Track-Bed it is making the job of laying the turn-outs more difficult than need be. The other issue is that using the piece of poplar - the thickness is greater that either Track-Bed or cork, even though the first turn-out went down quickly and seems to work fine. I haven't used cork, as of yet, however, at this stage could build my third turn-out on it and see which is best or easiest to work with. Looking for every ones insight. Thanks for you time and consideration. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Foden Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:56 PM To: 's-trains@yahoogroups.com' Subject: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance... I've hit a wall (I think) and need to make a decision on which type of road-bed to use. My first turn-out was with a piece of poplar (wood), turned out good for my first, however, the thickness is too high when mating up to cork or foam road-bed. The second turn-out (still in progress), the road-bed is foam, quite, however, soft (too flexible, as I spike in the rail) making the task a lot harder and slower. My dilemma will be, 'do I now try cork, for my third turn-out?' All ears open on this one. Chris Foden S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24733	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: S Gaugian

Anybody received their March-April edition of the "S Gaugian?" I know we get our mail via Conastoga wagon in Northern Arizona, but this is rediculous. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24734	From: Dayna	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Gaugian

Gerry - I haven't received mine here in CT either. It would be a great wedding present if it came today. Dayna Williamson CEO Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24735	From: amrflr	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

I received mine yesterday. Bill in Lousisiana --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Evans" <cujoacat@f...> wrote: > Anybody received their March-April edition of the "S Gaugian?" I know we get our mail via Conastoga wagon in Northern Arizona, but this is rediculous. > > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24736	From: V KOSOBIECKI	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

Gerry, I got mine in Ct, in fact I have gone though it twice.. Vin Anybody received their March-April edition of the "S Gaugian?" I know we get our mail via Conastoga wagon in Northern Arizona, but this is rediculous. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24737	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

Hello Gerry, Yes I received my copy, I usually get mine around the last week of the month prior to the issue date here in TN, This was the same routine that I experienced when I lived in IN prior to retiring in '99. I have been a subscriber since March '91 and in all that time only two issues came late. I gave them a week both times and then called. One was a delay at the printers and the other was simply lost, so they sent another copy right out to me. Since many have already received their copy, you should probably call. Oh Boy! Trains!....................Herky 1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24738	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

Hi Gerry: I haven't gotten mine as yet, nor have I received Mainline Modeler - but I am in Norway. Rance Velapoldi V KOSOBIECKI wrote: > Gerry, I got mine in Ct, in fact I have gone though it twice.. Vin Anybody received their March-April edition of the "S Gaugian?" I know we get our mail via Conastoga wagon in Northern Arizona, but this is rediculous. > >Gerry Evans >In Flagstaff > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24739	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

Still awaiting mine here in beautiful, sunny, warm Hotlanta!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24740	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

I received my copy here in the Metropolis of Pahrump, Nevada last Thursday. Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Evans" <cujoacat@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugian > Anybody received their March-April edition of the "S Gaugian?" I know we get our mail via Conastoga wagon in Northern Arizona, but this is rediculous. > > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24741	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

Got mine last Thursday or Friday,...in my part of California. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24742	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Goodies for your Easter layout

I know some of you aren't into the "sappy" or "silly" side when it comes to holiday layouts,...but for those that are... I went to "Dollar Tree" ( everything for a buck store) yesterday and bought a bunch of little Easter ceramic buildings,.. "Hoppy Hollow", they are called, small for "S", but cute! Each has a hole in the bottom for lights,...and have bunnies on or in the buildings. There is a candy store, eggery, church, flower shop, school, "BZBEE HONEY", shaped like a hive, and a bakery. Also four bunny figures for a dollar !! Bunnies playing, taking photos, a mailman bunny, a little bunny with suitcase (perfect for your train station!),....etc., etc., etc. The buildings are small for "S", the figures are a little big for the buildings,...which doesn't matter if you're just going for the holiday spirit. Of course I have a seven year old daughter, but I'm not sure if I bought them for her or me!! Closer to Easter,..I'll be loading up the gondolas with plastic eggs and candy,.....mmmm....candy!! I might start now!! I'll try to get some pics posted in my album. Rick "Hopping down the Bunny trail" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24743	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: S Gaugian--sample issue?

This S Gaugian publication sounds as if it would be of interest. I would like to take a look at a sample issue before subscribing, however. Our local hobby shops don't seem to carry it (no surprise). Are there any other means of obtaining an issue, other than contacting the publisher directly? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24744	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Goodies for your Easter layout

I forgot to mention,...there is also a RR type crossing with blinking red lights, runs on batteries or cut off the battery pack and hook it up to a Lemax power supply,...it has two carrots that cross in an "X" and a bunny on it. And a light pole with three globes and an Easter wreath. One buck each!! I plan on going back and buying more,.....AND another storage container for Easter layout goodies!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24745	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian--sample issue?

It is a nice magazine....I have trouble getting it here in Florida so I usually pick up a copy when I go up to W. Va. to visit...I tried subscribing to it...BUT EVERY ISSUE I GOT WAS WELL TORN UP !!!! Seems all they did was stick on a sticker and throw it in the mail...and there was no discount for subscribing...I have almost every issue, except for a few of the past months...You can easily pick the mailed ones from the like new picked up at stores....or at train meets....I do get Placticville and cct by mail....Packed in envelopes....if "s" guagian ever decides to ship it decently, I might resubscribe....Maybe they have improved as its been at least 4 years since I got one in the mail...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugian--sample issue? > This S Gaugian publication sounds as if it would be of interest. I > would like to take a look at a sample issue before subscribing, > however. Our local hobby shops don't seem to carry it (no > surprise). Are there any other means of obtaining an issue, other > than contacting the publisher directly? > > Jeff Feldmeier > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24746	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian--sample issue?

Hello Bob, Since 91 when I started subscribing it was delivered in a brown paper sleeve and I did get a couple of wrinkled corners, but nothing major. In the last couple of years they started putting it in a white sealed envelope and so far so good. Oh Boy! Trains!....................Herky 1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24747	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: roadbed

Chris, I use AM .148 flex track and turnouts. I lay them on cork roadbed, making roadbed for the switches as per Kalmbach (Model Railroader). I just built my first B & K turnout kit. For the roadbed, I laminated 3 layers of 1/16" cardboard, sealing it with gray paint to match the ballast. Next I glued the ties with white glue, then spiked the switch kit to the ties. The Micro Engineering medium spikes are a hair long, so the bottom of the cardboard bulges a bit in some places. My sub roadbed is homasote so this has not made a difference. I'm in the process of replacing the plastic frog on the AM turnout with all rail frogs. I can actually slide the old frog rails out (first cutting the connecting pieces under the frog), then cut away the plastic frog, grind new frog rails and slide the new ones in using the spikes on the turnout to hold them in place. I couldn't believe how easy this is to do. I even replaced the guard rails with .148 rail. Hope this helps, Tom in Maine NASG MSG TCA CCSG (formerly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24748	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance.

Chris, Why not take the Popular down to a woodworking friend's shop and have it planed thinner so it does match up? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24749	From: Robert Johnson	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

Hello All, No, have not received mine as yet either. Mine seem to arrive toward the end of the issue month (March-April will probably arrive toward the end of March). Robert Johnson Hayward, California --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Evans" <cujoacat@f...> wrote: > Anybody received their March-April edition of the "S Gaugian?" I know we get our mail via Conastoga wagon in Northern Arizona, but this is rediculous. > > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24750	From: Joseph Matuella	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian--sample issue?

S Gaugian is now shipped in a paper envelope ----- Original Message ----- From: robert allen conner <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; beechcricker <BeechCrRR@...> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugian--sample issue? > It is a nice magazine....I have trouble getting it here in Florida so I > usually pick up a copy when I go up to W. Va. to visit...I tried subscribing > to it...BUT EVERY ISSUE I GOT WAS WELL TORN UP !!!! Seems all they did was > stick on a sticker and throw it in the mail...and there was no discount for > subscribing...I have almost every issue, except for a few of the past > months...You can easily pick the mailed ones from the like new picked up at > stores....or at train meets....I do get Placticville and cct by > mail....Packed in envelopes....if "s" guagian ever decides to ship it > decently, I might resubscribe....Maybe they have improved as its been at > least 4 years since I got one in the mail...Bob Conner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:37 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugian--sample issue? > > > > This S Gaugian publication sounds as if it would be of interest. I > > would like to take a look at a sample issue before subscribing, > > however. Our local hobby shops don't seem to carry it (no > > surprise). Are there any other means of obtaining an issue, other > > than contacting the publisher directly? > > > > Jeff Feldmeier > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24751	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

Mine came to Gap, PA on Saturday. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24752	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: S Gaugian

I guess I should ask Roy where he is from, we have Amish "wagons" in suburban Gap, PA. In fact, an Amishman had a rural route for over 20 yrs. Levi Fisher, made the news when he retired. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24753	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Roadbed suggestions

My experience show that spikes are held by vinylbed quite well. It's 1/4 inch high, single piece. I use it with American Models track and have had no problems with the track siliconed to the vinylbed. Alan Udy RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24754	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Roadbed suggestions

It occurs to me that you could spike your turnouts down into styrene ties and/or sheet by driving the spikes with a soldering iron, sort of like the body pins in most AF boxcars. If you do it right, those spikes will not move! Plus, you can adjust their position by reheating them if necessary. I have never heard of this being done, but see no reason why it would not work. Styrene is available in many precise sizes and thicknesses, easy to work, and resistant to warping, especially that caused by humidity. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24755	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian

---------- > From: "Gerry Evans" <cujoacat@...> > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:32:29 -0700 > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugian > > Anybody received their March-April edition of the "S Gaugian?" I know we get > our mail via Conastoga wagon in Northern Arizona, but this is rediculous. > > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff > > Gerry, It arrived today, here in our part of Michigan. Along with some more snow. Good time for reading and running trains! Jeff, will fix you up with some back issues of the "S Gauging" and the "Dispatch" when you come over. Know you will enjoy both! Best to all, Charlie >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24756	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: AF AC Walkaround Throttle

Hello all, I am a modest operator of Gilbert AF trains. I use mostly Gilbert transformers, although I do have an MRC Tech II Trainpower 027 that I picked up at a train show. It works well on our Capitol Holidays Display layout, and I like having a modern power pack in place when the layout is on display at the Oregon State Capitol. Don't want an old transformer blamed for setting fire to the Oregon State Christmas Tree!! Besides my Gilbert locos, I run a couple of SHS basic AC diesels. I have no onboard sound, whistles etc. No TMCC for me, my whistles are in billboards. I am interested in some sort of walkaround throttle though, both for a home layout and to use at train shows so I can stand in front of the display and still control the train. It appears the MRC makes two Dual Power 027 270 watt models: AH101 and AH101B. Do any of you use either of these? If so, any thoughts you'd care to share with me? As best I can tell, the AH101B is for controlling all the "bells and whistles" on some of the new locomotives, while the basic model should take care of all my basic control needs. There seem to be two controllers available as well: models AH900 and AH920. Which is for which power pack, and will the controller for the upgraded AH101B work with the basic 101 model? Finally, are there any other alternatives? Has anyone built a simple walkaround controller to use with a Gilbert or Lionel(!!) transformer? Any thoughts or suggestions will be appreciated greatly. Alan Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24757	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Flyer fest west 4

Sam and I have decided to take our road show to California again to attend Flyer Fest West on May 3-4. We will have an S-'n-S Trains dealer table with all 6 videotape volumes of "S-Gauge Model Railroading" once again available. We will offer them for a special price of $65 for the set of 6. That offer is also good for any of the newer members of this list that may not know about them. If ordered by mail however, there will be postage on top of the $65. The regular price is $14 each ppd. We will have running models of both our standard and slow speed can motors for American Flyer steamer conversions. There will be a supply of both versions on hand for sale at the show for a reduced price as well. We will also have running samples of the Diesel can motor conversions, both Geep and Alco. Our new can replacement for Baldwin's will probably be available by then too. We hope to see/meet some of you there. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24758	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/12/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer fest west 4

Tired of the SNOW and ICE and COLD??? Come to Sunny California for Flyer Fest West!! Actually, I talked to Steve today, they're having nicer weather right now than we are, but just wait, this storm will be there in three days!!! ;-) OK, if you haven't signed up yet, and you live ANYWHERE near Central California, this is the place to go!! On-line registration forms at: http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/festwest4info.htm S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24759	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

I have subscribed to the "S Gaugain" for almost 30 years. If you think it is slow to circulate in the USA just imagine how long it takes by sea mail to Australia! I'll see March/April in Jume/July. John C. Harvey email: brigadie@... *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. ***************************************************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24760	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: Vintage Trains in Australia

On Saturday & Sunday, May 3rd & 4th, I am helping to run a Collectables Fair. This year there will be at least four "vintage" model railways on display, two Hornby, one Triang TT gauge, and my American Flyer. If anyone, by some miracle, happens to be anywhere near Beechworth, Victoria (3 hours north of Melbourne) on those days please come for a visit. We even have a website: www.brigadier.com.au/collectfair/collectfair.htm. I'll put up more train information next week. John C. Harvey email: brigadie@... *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. ***************************************************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24761	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Vanderbilt tender

http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/seaboard3.html Has anyone built one like this? Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24762	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian

> Jeff, will fix you up with some back issues of the "S Gauging" and > the "Dispatch" when you come over. Know you will enjoy both! Thanks, Charlie. I'd like to see what it is all about before subscribing to another publication. Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24763	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Mag. Mailing Packaging

Bob, My S-Gaugian has been arriving in a large white envelope for quite some time. As previously noted, this was preceeded by a brown paper sleeve. Could you be confusing it with Classic Toy Trains? They had been shipped in a sealed clear plastic wrapper, but now come loose with a mailing label half glued, half flapping in the breeze. How do those gift and subscription cards make it through the US mail, but invariably fall out as soon as you start looking at the magazine? Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24764	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian--sample issue?

Unfortunately, S Gaugian has gotten more expense to subscribed to while declining in substance and variety of articles. There is hardly ever any how to articles, which was the super base of the S Hearld's. S Gaugian doesn't know where to be a collectors, operators, or scale source, and doesn't cover enough of either to make subscribing worthwhile. I pick up what issues are interesting for the Train Shop magazine rack. 2 cents HSJ-NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24765	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Fwd: LOST MAGAZINE

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 24766	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: S Gaugian, my 2 cents

The S Gaugian is no more than an inhouse catalog. The articles seem to take a backseat to the Ads for Scenery Unlimited etc. It beats me why anyother person would put an ad in there, when Scenery Unlimited tries to sell everything anyway. So they see every other advertisers ad, and can undercut them. They offer trains for sale, to buy and repairs. All in direct competition to their advertisers. What a deal! Free sample issue, I hear they don't even give a free subscription to people who write for them, for FREE. We need a new "S" magazine!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24767	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

I hate to go against the trend, but I like S Gaugian. And, it is the only thing out there... I did cancel CTT though. Gave them two years, but they didn't come through with S Gauge. Also, my S Gaugian's arrive in Florida in a sealed white envelope, usually in great condition.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24768	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S Gaugian, my 2 cents

I agree with Carl that in some sense the S Gaugian is an "in house catalog" for Scenery Unlimited, both being owned by Don Heimburger. But as I read the prices, SU is usually full bore retail, no discount. Seems to me they don't undercut anybody, last time I looked anyway. Another post said there was not much of interest in the articles, but IMHO, that is overkill. Some of my favorite regulars are: the very good scale column by Rusty Westermeier, the American Flyer Collector's Column and the Club Car, which tells what other S gauge groups in America are doing. The S Products Reviews help keep me up to date on what is available. As is typical in many communities, no train shops hereabouts handle S stuff, local train shows have little S, so the magazine is my main information source. Such as it is, the S Gaugian helps connect the S community. And in much the same way Classic Toy Trains has helped stir up interest in O gauge, the S Gaugian has done similar for S. And in my years of publication work, I can say with absolute certainty, no magazine ever conceived will please everybody-trust me on this one! Cheers, Roy Inman PS: Mine arrives in a white envelope, so far, in mint condition. ---------- > From: rodgers_carl <rodgers_carl@...> > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:39:04 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugian, my 2 cents > > So they see every other advertisers > ad, and can undercut them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24769	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] even more on S Gaugian

I get every issue of S Gaugian. I don't subscribe, I get it at my local train store, Despatch Junction, so I have an excuse to drop in and see them. I agree that it's not the greatest mag., but nothing around comes close for an S gauger. The product reviews are great and keep me abreast of what's available. I straddle the fences between AF repair, hirail, and some car and structure kit building and even some scratch building and hand laid BK switches. I appreciate anything if it's in S. Used to get CCT but S was too sparse to justify it. I agree with the comment by someone that the old S Gauge Herald was a great magazine for S. -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24770	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance.

I'd like to thank everyone for their input on my question posted the other day. Your assistance has provided me with a better understanding of what others have tried in the past and what worked versus didn't. Because, I'm half way through my second turn-out, I'll complete it. Then, move to cork or poplar road-bed, which will be set in place after they're built. Thanks again, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Foden [mailto:chris.foden@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:28 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance... My message seems to have laid some confusion in peoples minds, so I wanted to clarify what I'm doing. - I'm using Micro Engineering '148' code rail to build (turn-outs) switches; - I'm spiking the rail to Mount Albert (Krappler type) wooden ties' - The ties are glued to either a piece of poplar/aspen (wood) or compressed foam (Track-Bed by Woodland Scenics); - My plan is to mate these turn-outs up with American Models track (148 code). Which would be glued to Track-Bed or cork; - then the built turn-outs will be laid on 2-inch construction foam, which is on - 3/8 inch plywood modular frame. To date I've built one switch, using the piece of poplar and I'm on my second turnout using the Track-Bed product. Due to the flexibility of the Track-Bed it is making the job of laying the turn-outs more difficult than need be. The other issue is that using the piece of poplar - the thickness is greater that either Track-Bed or cork, even though the first turn-out went down quickly and seems to work fine. I haven't used cork, as of yet, however, at this stage could build my third turn-out on it and see which is best or easiest to work with. Looking for every ones insight. Thanks for you time and consideration. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Foden Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:56 PM To: 's-trains@yahoogroups.com' Subject: Road-bed options for laying 148 code switches, need assistance... I've hit a wall (I think) and need to make a decision on which type of road-bed to use. My first turn-out was with a piece of poplar (wood), turned out good for my first, however, the thickness is too high when mating up to cork or foam road-bed. The second turn-out (still in progress), the road-bed is foam, quite, however, soft (too flexible, as I spike in the rail) making the task a lot harder and slower. My dilemma will be, 'do I now try cork, for my third turn-out?' All ears open on this one. Chris Foden S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24771	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] even more on S Gaugian

I've been reading the various threads through the discussion of, "Did you receive your copy of S Gaugian?" And, there have been several references to S Gauge Herald. From a 'Newbie' and related to other clubs/groups, I know that putting out a monthly newsletter is sometimes a monumental task for everyone. My question is, "With the expertise within the group 'S-Trains' could this not be possible to pick up and produce a bi-monthly E-mail newsletter? Similar to the content that 'S Gauge Herald' brought forward in their time. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Smith [mailto:cesmith@...] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:43 PM To: Roy Inman Cc: S-Trains Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] even more on S Gaugian I get every issue of S Gaugian. I don't subscribe, I get it at my local train store, Despatch Junction, so I have an excuse to drop in and see them. I agree that it's not the greatest mag., but nothing around comes close for an S gauger. The product reviews are great and keep me abreast of what's available. I straddle the fences between AF repair, hirail, and some car and structure kit building and even some scratch building and hand laid BK switches. I appreciate anything if it's in S. Used to get CCT but S was too sparse to justify it. I agree with the comment by someone that the old S Gauge Herald was a great magazine for S. -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24772	From: IronHorse	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: [Fwd: Strange catalog]

IronHorse wrote: > This is the response from the person selling the 1955 Catalog on e-bay. > Comments anyone ??? > > Diane Nash wrote: > > > Roger, > > This is a special catalog that only went to A.F. dealers. > > > > Smile:) It's contagious! > > TCA 73-5801 > > Doug & Diane Nash > > PO Box 500966 > > Marathon, Fl. 33050 > > 305.743.3678 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24773	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: 1000th member joins S-Scale/S-Trains lists

Crank up the band, drop the balloons.... We have our 1000th member. Please welcome Gary Landers. I hope he will take a few moments to introduce himself. This year we are also going to celibrate out fifth year in this list configuration. For fun check the archives and see what the 'big issues' were 5 years ago. Thanks to all those that hung in. We have all been unhappy with the list at one point or another, but with all it's warts, it sure has been a life saver more often than not. Keep up the good work. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24774	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: 1000th member

It is an honor to be the 1000th member of the "list". I am a physician. My specialty is emergency medicine. I grew up with American Flyer trains but just recently got back into them. I hope to grow my knowledge and collection through this group.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24775	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: 1000th member

It is an honor to be the 1000th member of the "list". I am a physician. My specialty is emergency medicine. I grew up with American Flyer trains but just recently got back into them. I hope to grow my knowledge and collection through this group.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24776	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member

Welcome aboard Gary!!! Rick Evans,......from Calif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24777	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] even more on S Gaugian

Chris, I think you have a good idea, though this approach and maybe even reprints of S Hearld articles could be done. ----------- You need someone with the time and desire to do it, I can only guess how much effort is put into producing the Dispatch. It would seem there are plenty of authors, as I have seen many notes of unpublished articles in the existing hobby magazines. ---------- Just the assembly, and constant commitment issue after issue takes a Saint, ie: Frank Titman and Wally Collins. I guess you could ask them how they did it ??? Today's computer generated pages with downloading of digital images would seem much easier than all the work put into the S Gauge Hearld pages and the great pen and ink drawings by Ed Schumacher. ---------- I prize every back issue I have been able to acquire. ------------- HSJ-NASG.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24778	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Welcome - 1000th Member

Gary, Welcome to a little slice of a much better time! If you have any American Flyer questions concerning anything you can possibly imagine, you've found the place to get all the answers. The members of this group are knowledgable on everything Flyer and even jump off into other topics from time to time ;) If you want to see some great photos of member's trains and layouts, you can view these photos in Paul Yorke's photo gallery at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albums.php Chose the Model Railroading Album, then the Photos From Our S Friends Album. My photos are in the BullGator Album. Congrats on being our 1000th member!!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24779	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Large SHS Collection for Sale

Hello all, I am the Web Master for the S-Helper Service and Don Thompson. A while back I mentioned on this message board that I would be selling my rather large collection of SHS trains on eBay. I decided against that after all. Last week I was laid off from my regular job and things don't look so good in the near future for finding employment in my field here in Southern California. So I have decided to sell off most of my collection. Here is a partial list of what I have for sale. More to come later. I have one of each item for sale. Please contact me via email at jonmarinello@... to arrange a purchase. First come, first serve. Thanks, --jon F7 Engine - %20% off retail + shipping 1) #00900 AT&SF Passenger EMD F-7 ABA Rolling Stock – 30% off retail + shipping 1) #00181 TOFC Penn #1 w/PRR Trailer 2) #00310-6 TOFC WM with WM Trailer 3) #00308-3 TOFC D&RGW with D&RGW Trailer 4) #00304-5 TOFC GN with GN Trailer 5) #00193 TOFC Trailer Train #1 w/REAX ALM Trailer 6) #00191 TOFC New York Central #1 w/NYC Trailer 7) #00306-9 TOFC PRR #3 with PRR #2 Trailer 8) #00189 TOFC New Haven #1 w/NH Trailer 9) #00180 TOFC Rock Island w/RI Trailer 10) #00301-4 TOFC B&O with B&O Trailer 11) #00166 Bulkhead Flatcar WAB GBP BM Load 12) #00157 Bulkhead Flatcar BN PC BM Load 13) #00158 Bulkhead Flatcar CB&Q JM BM Load 14) #00161 Bulkhead Flatcar IC GBM BM Load 15) #00162 Bulkhead Flatcar IC JM BM Load 16) #00165 Bulkhead Flatcar UP USG BM Load 17) #00164 Bulkhead Flatcar UP Mas BM Load 18) #00234 Caboose Illinois Central Gulf #1 19) #00232 Caboose Great Northern #1 20) #00266 Caboose Milwaukee Road #1 21) #00218 Caboose Burlington Northern #1 22) #00238 Caboose Northern Pacific #1 23) #00209 Standard Flatcar Chicago Northwestern 24) #00212 Standard Flatcar Nickel Plate Road 25) #00314-4 Standard Flatcar Canadian Pacific 26) #00216 Standard Flatcar Union Pacific 27) #00215 Standard Flatcar Seaboard 28) #00174 Standard Flatcar Union Pacific 29) #00076 PS-2 Great Northern 71451 30) #00077 PS-2 Nickel Plate Road 91503 31) #00285 PS-2 M&Stl #1 NASG 99 conv car 32) #00033-4 PS-2 Lehigh Valley/Friction Bearing 33) #00089 PS-2 Grand Trunk Railroad 111163 34) #00028-0 PS-2 D&RGW/Friction Bearing 35) #00085 PS-2 Chessie (CSXT) 226403

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24780	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member joins S-Scale/S-Trains lists

Gary, welcome !!!!!! to the club. Many topics, take your pick. Members with differents degrees of knowledge and interest. Some of us old farts can answer your questions, and some of us are too old to remember. I know you will enjoy. Harwood Owings III [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24781	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] even more on S Gaugian

Hi Howell and group, Even though I'm just a 'Newbie' I think something like this can be done. The question is who is going to take this idea and run with it? My position is it does not need to be on a 'Grand' scale, start smaller - 'S' Scale (sorry for the pun), a couple of pages bi-monthly. Previous articles could be used to start. I've not seen any S Gauge Herald issues, maybe others are in the same situation as me, not sure? To make it easy to down-load convert them to '.pdf' format. This allows compact and speed to download. I don't know, just my 2-cents worth. Chris PS As an aside, I'd be interested in speaking with folks that have old copies of 'S Gauge Herald' to share what might be of interest (i.e. Kitbashing an old Atlantic or Pacific into a 2-4-0, 0-6-0 or something, etc.) -----Original Message----- From: Howell S Jobbins [mailto:hsjobbins@...] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:48 PM To: chris.foden@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] even more on S Gaugian Chris, I think you have a good idea, though this approach and maybe even reprints of S Hearld articles could be done. ----------- You need someone with the time and desire to do it, I can only guess how much effort is put into producing the Dispatch. It would seem there are plenty of authors, as I have seen many notes of unpublished articles in the existing hobby magazines. ---------- Just the assembly, and constant commitment issue after issue takes a Saint, ie: Frank Titman and Wally Collins. I guess you could ask them how they did it ??? Today's computer generated pages with downloading of digital images would seem much easier than all the work put into the S Gauge Hearld pages and the great pen and ink drawings by Ed Schumacher. ---------- I prize every back issue I have been able to acquire. ------------- HSJ-NASG. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24782	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: S Gaugian

I have been writing a regular column about repairing and operating American Flyer trains for the S Gaugian magazine since 1988. In return for this, I receive a free subscription. Since I send each column in priority mail, this does not cover my expenses. My wife thinks I am nuts for working so hard for free. When I started, I wrote several articles and letters for CTT as well. I realized that after deducting photographic expenses (their philosophy is to build the articles around the photos), I was being paid obout 55¢ to 75¢ per hour. They also altered and censored my material, especially my letters. The S Gaugian's editorial interference with my writing has always been minimal. I decided to concentrate my efforts in S Gaugian. For a small financial sacrifice, I had more freedom. I urge those of you who can, to seriously consider submitting articles and photos to S Gaugian. I have found it immensely satisfying. My contact with the publisher is minimal, mostly concerned with the technicalities of publishing my stuff, but it does seem to me that they need more quality material badly, and we all would benefit. Remember this: when S Gaugian finally went to a glossy magazine format, it was a tremendous boost for the gauge, perhaps our first step to the legitimacy we are now beginning to enjoy. It started as a mimeographed newsletter! It is still the chief ambassador from S gauge to the rest of the planet. S Gaugian last time I looked has a circulation of about 5,000. Since it is not cheap, I assume that these readers are actively involved in the hobby. The S-trains list , to which I also submit a lot of material gratis, combined with the S scale list, has a membership of 1,000, but there is no way to know how many of these are active. Certainly most do not post anything. Therefore, even though figures lie and liars figure, S Gaugian reaches a lot more people. I have found the two media are actually quite different. The list is wonderful. It is a much quicker way to reach people, learn about the newest products, get a needed piece of information, or have a screaming argument. However, there is no guarantee that the archives and the list itself, will survive into the future. They exist on a server, and if this service is withdrawn or damaged, the company goes broke, or the rates become prohibitive, all this material may just disappear or at least become much harder to access. Searching the archives can be difficult because a good deal of looseness applies in the titling of posts, and the naming of objects and processes, as it should. We are having fun here, at least I am. The magazine is more satisfying, permanent, tangible. You can see your work, hold it, carry it from room to room, show it to people, even take it to job interviews! And when things get hairy, I enjoy curling up on the sofa with a stack of old issues. The magazine is also broader in scope. The photos, feature articles, editorials, advertisements, the scale column, the collector's column, the repair column, the club news, taken as a whole, all make a statement and record about who we are and what we do as people, what our lives are like, how we think, that is a good thing for us to leave behind us for future readers. We will all die fairly soon. When my father died 2 + years ago, I inherited his college yearbook, the class of 1925. 500 photos and bios of young men, at the beginning of their lives, ALL of whom are now dead (my father was the last). This experience changed my outlook. I think that in 100 years, someone who comes across a copy of S Gaugian will be totally fascinated. What we do now will be brought back to life. If they encounter a printout of a few days of the list they will think, "Damn, those guys were nuts!" So please, if you are good with a camera and pen, if you have done something interesting with your trains, please consider contributing material to S Gaugian magazine. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24783	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Testing

Testing, I'm bounced again. Don't know why John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24784	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Large SHS Collection for Sale

I forgot to mention. The F7 and all the rolling stock are brand new and have never been used.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24785	From: John Brockmann	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member

Hi Gary, welcome!! These guys are great, and sometimes funny too!! They will have answers to all your AF questions. Say Doc, I have this pain in my? Glad to have you with us,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "garyandkay66203" <g.landers@w...> wrote: > It is an honor to be the 1000th member of the "list". I am a > physician. My specialty is emergency medicine. I grew up with > American Flyer trains but just recently got back into them. I hope > to grow my knowledge and collection through this group.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24786	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Welcome garyandkay

Hello and welcome to S-trains. Congrats on being # 1000! You will not be disappointed with the vast quanity of knowledge that this group has. I just recently got reaquainted with my American Flyer I had as a child. I rarely post because I don't know that much but can't wait to read the posts from those in the know. Flyerbuddy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24787	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member joins S-Scale/S-Trains lists

FLATULATORS....sounds better....HaHaHa...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOwingsiii@...> To: <s_trains@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1000th member joins S-Scale/S-Trains lists > Gary, welcome !!!!!! to the club. Many topics, take your pick. Members > with differents degrees of knowledge and interest. Some of us old farts can > answer your questions, and some of us are too old to remember. I know you > will enjoy. > > Harwood Owings III > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24788	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: S Gaugian

And for all your hard work, a big THANK YOU!!!!! What we have in this gauge is loyality. The magizine is all we've got thanks to Don. Bob Tufts does a great job also, he is a walking enclyopedia when it comes to AF and Gilbert. Have had many long discussions with Bob over the years on Flyer and have enyoyed every minute of them. Working with him on his "Sets" book tought us both alot. Hats off to all those who have contributed to the S Gaugian over the years. Harwood Owings [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24789	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: S Gaugian + internet mag

Guys: thanks for all the kind words. i was not looking for praise, but to make a couple key points. A lot of people like my stuff, and some don't like it at all. I have even gotten hate mail! That's life. But in general, S gaugers have always had kind words and support for my efforts both here and in the mag and I appreciate them. I read that mag too, and selfishly would like to have more good stuff in it. The things that the people on this list get up to with S gauge trains are often amazing, and I would like to see more of them in S Gaugian. As far as an internet magazine, I would love to see that as well. It should be linked to our growing, growling, hard working S-trains list though. No need to dissipate this energy we have going on. But what I tried to point out, and maybe it got lost in all those words, is that electronic media, at this point in time anyway, are not a substitute for a print medium, but rather, a complement to it. At least, I don't see it that way. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24790	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member

Welcome! we hope you find the info and the camaraderie here helpful and enjoyable. And though few of us are surgeons, we do "cut up" a bit around here! Sorry guys, I couldn't resist!! S'incerely, David "Bad puns R us" Dewey AKA The Train Dr.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24791	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Got any big empty boxes??

I hope I'm not premature in this, but it looks like my 50th B-day present will be the signing of the deeds for our new digs. We are scheduled to meet at the title company office 11AM on the 18th!!! Still holding breath, you never know when Mr. Murphy will drop in!!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24792	From: trzp1800	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: ACSGers in Hot 'lanta this weekend

Hi: The Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers will be operating a large, 35'x 35' interactive layout at this weekend's GATS show in Atlanta. Show is downtown at the apparel mart. Check the GATS website for directions and details. We are hoping to help some local members of the club start an Atlanta chapter. Anyone interested? Well, come on down and help us run the railroad by pushing a few accessory buttons! If that seems like fun, sign up and join in with us. Gotta go finish packing!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24793	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Another S-Gaugian Pluses

Greetings, Let's not forget our own Tom Jarcho and his Roundhouse columns! His articles on repairs, modifications, and designs for layouts that make use of the control accessories are always intriguing. Then Robert Tufts' Collector's Column always enlightens me on some of the history of American Flyer. (Rusty Westermeier and the Scene Scale {or should it be Scale Scene?} articles are interesting, but not my cup of tea.) And those color ads! Wow! I suppose our S suppliers are owed a big Thank You for helping to foot the costs of printing the magazine by providing their advertising dollars. I've noticed the issues being "thinner" than when I first subscribed, but it is still our best one source for S gauge. Maybe if we all take Tom's suggestion and start writing? Well, back to the list. Bill (nDb) Trefts (near-Dewey-brother) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24794	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: AF AC Walkaround Throttle

I know you say no TMCC, but if you buy the Trainmaster Command Set, which includes the CAB1 remote and the Powermaster controller, you will have fantastic wireless walkaround control of your unmodified Gilbert engines for about $100. Trainmaster was designed to allow walkaround control of Conventional AC (i.e. non-Command equipped engines) from any era. The CAB1 sends signals directly to the Powermaster, which is wired in between your existing AC (AF or Lionel) transformer and the track. The Powermaster adjusts the voltage to the track based on the speed you select on the handheld CAB1. It's pretty slick, and your Gilbert engines can be made to crawl or to reverse directions with just one button stroke. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Bennett" <albennet@i...> wrote: > Besides my Gilbert locos, I run a couple of SHS basic AC diesels. I have no onboard sound, whistles etc. No TMCC for me, my whistles are in billboards. I am interested in some sort of walkaround throttle though, both for a home layout and to use at train shows so I can stand in front of the display and still control the train. > > Finally, are there any other alternatives? Has anyone built a simple walkaround controller to use with a Gilbert or Lionel(!!) transformer? Any thoughts or suggestions will be appreciated greatly. > > Alan Bennett > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24795	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] S Gaugian + internet mag

I DO BELIVE THAT THE S GAUGIN MAG IS STILL THE BEST S MAG GOING AS OF THIS DATE HIGH PRAISE FOR THE S GAUGIN RA RA RA ANY HOW LETS NOT BURN THEM AT THE STAKE YET THEY STILL HAVE A FEW MORE TRAIN STORIES TO TELL MARV D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24796	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Could it be, that Gilbert S gauge trains were at the 1939 Worlds Fa

Some time ago I aquired a 1939 Gilbert catalog, which is posted currently on my website. That has led to somewhat of a facination with the 1939 Worlds Fair. Gilbert gave away these catalogs there, and apparently had a train exhibit. The 1939 Catalog can be seen at http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm While seaching the web, I have found an interesting page and photo. http://www.eliwhitney.org/trains99/trains.html It clearly shows what look like Gilbert trains. However, if you look at the picture, you see a 3 rail track, presumably O gauge, and next two it, a couple of tracks that look more like S gauge. That can't be? This is 1939! Also, the track all looks like Gargraves. There are other scenes at this site of the two rail track, but only this one photo gives any idea of scale. What do you think? Is there anyone in the group that perhaps attended the 1939 Worlds Fair and saw this train exhibit? Yes, they started selling S gauge trains in 1946, but could it be that they display trains running on S gauge track in 1939? This is interesting!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24797	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Another S-Gaugian Pluses

Guys, the number of pages in S Gaugian or any magazine for that matter, depends on the number of adverts, not on the available editorial material. Since this Depression began, about 2000, literally hundreds of publications have either failed or vastly reduced the number of pages per issue. And the relatively high cost of the SG is due in part to the small number of copies printed-about 5,000 or so as I understand it. The economies of scale involved in the printing business dictate that as press runs get up around 25,000 or so, costs per unit (magazine) decrease dramatically. If the circulation of SG were up into the 50,000 subscription range, annual subscriptions might be $15.00. But no publication will ever please everyone, and the SG has done more to provide a focal point around which hobbiests and advertisers alike can rally. I get as much information from the ads as I do from the editorial. Sure it could be better. I would like to see better photos and better use of graphics, for example. But given the wherewithall, it is generally a pretty good job, IMHO. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: wmhtreftsv@... > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:48:25 -0600 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Another S-Gaugian Pluses > > > I've noticed the issues being "thinner" than when I first subscribed, but > it is still our best one source for S gauge. Maybe if we all take Tom's > suggestion and start writing? > > Well, back to the list. > > Bill (nDb) Trefts > (near-Dewey-brother) > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24798	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Re: Vanderbilt tender

Hi Jim....I built one similar in HO based on a Canadian National prototype. I used a piece of copper pipe for the main tank and straddled with a coal bunker made from brass...Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S Scale group" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Vanderbilt tender > http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/seaboard3.html > > Has anyone built one like this? Jim Sleeth > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24799	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/13/2003
Subject: Sunny CA??

Wow guys, we are having one heck of a rain and thunderstorm right now! I thought someone had bombed the store across the street! Batten' down the hatches here, looks like spring just fled the country! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24800	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: 1000th member joins S-Scale/S-Trains lists

So now a 35 year ski club of which I am a charter member (charter members = 4 old retired colleagues; + approximately 10 other relatives and friends) have to be called the Old Flatulators Club (we are the OFC for short)?? Rance Velapoldi (Norway) robert allen conner wrote: >FLATULATORS....sounds better....HaHaHa...Bob >----- Original Message ----- >From: <HOwingsiii@...> >To: <s_trains@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:51 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1000th member joins S-Scale/S-Trains lists > > > > >>Gary, welcome !!!!!! to the club. Many topics, take your pick. Members >>with differents degrees of knowledge and interest. Some of us old farts >> >> >can > > >>answer your questions, and some of us are too old to remember. I know >> >> >you > > >>will enjoy. >> >>Harwood Owings III >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >> >> >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24801	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Chicago Worlds Fair AF train layout did exist. Remember Chicago Fl

This hurts me to tell you this story, but here it is. My Grandparents bought a used Standard Gauge American Flyer Atlantic that had been on display at the Chicago Worlds Fair. I played with it in Michagan as a child. A second Organge Standard gauge passenger train was fun to play with. Put colored Christmas lights in side to light it as well as toy soldiers. I was always proud to brag on this special train as a child. I traded a guy a lot of Lionel and he rewound the Orange trains motor 20 years latter. I wish my grandfather had gotten written proof on his purchase. They lived near Halstead Street in Chicago at the time of purchase. My father was an insensitive womanizer saleman. I went opposite of him. I had lived in San Diego and he took possetion of his old trains. I had moved away and gotten a divorce. I never worshiped him as he wanted me to do. I end up meeting my sister in Las Vegas where she told me that Dad had sold the trains for $250 because they were old and rusty. Not so. Now he knew I was a big collector of AF S gauge. Now my heart was broken. I thought that he could never hurt me again, but this was it. The only way to hurt me was to sell the trains. By the way he had sold some of my S gauge AF with out paying me when I was a teenager. I did a lot of crying, because this act said it all. My divorced mother finally breaks down crying because she had lost most of my S gauge trains stolen from her basement when she got a new heater. They had cut the cord to the ceiling light and it took her a year to get someone to find out why the light did not work. She was in such pain because she knew I was in pain because of the loss of family heir looms. What a mess. Years latter I find more of my trains missing that my sister was holding for me in Upland. So I don't have it in me to collect any more. I am going to operate and enjoy what I have left. I now buy AM and SHS trains. I am stettled in Nashville an will finally build a lay out. Yes these trains of ours our deep inside us for various reason. My loving grandfather built me a train layout as a boy. They moved away and life got hard for awhile. Yes American Flyer had a big train layout at the Chicago Worlds Fair. Now you know the rest of the story. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24802	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

Lots of Gilbert and Flyonel items from the Paul Hartman estate posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24803	From: David	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: Could it be, that Gilbert S gauge trains were at the 1939 World

Chuck, obviously this is a current photo staged specifically for this webpage. The track is definitely Gargraves and the Atlantic is obviously plastic which cannot be for 1939.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24804	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Chicago Worlds Fair AF train layout did exist. Remem

Jim, Hard to communicate in this impersonal email medium the empathy I feel for your very touching story. Gratified to hear that you are still in S though :) The train memory most etched in my brain banks is when my parents and I lived in the family car for nearly two years. Strapped on top was my train set. Rode all the way from Three Rivers, MI, to Kansas City, MO and somehow survived until we could set it up again around the tree that Christmas of 1951. First time I saw my dad cry. Back to the Chicago World's Fair: in 1939, the only color film was Kodachrome. It was aimed at the amateur market, but it was a 35mm slide film and required a projector for proper viewing. Few people had a projector, so Kodachrome was not very popular the first few years it was introduced. It was very slow, ASA 25, and the obviously interior location, shot with ambient light (which would require a very, very slow shutter speed and/or large aperture opening) would make it unlikely that the image was from that year. And as someone else pointed out, the plastic rolling stock is anachronistic. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 02:13:48 -0800 (PST) > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, S Scale group <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Chicago Worlds Fair AF train layout did exist. Remember > Chicago Flyer > > Yes these trains of ours our deep inside us for > various reason. My loving grandfather built me a > train layout as a boy. They moved away and life got > hard for awhile.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24805	From: Alex	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Gentlemen, start your processors and fire up those DCAMs!

S folks: Tom Jarcho's comments about contributing articles should be taken seriously. I worked as Editor-in-Chief of three magazines over the last 25 years, with circulations of each in excess of 100,000. However, I have also done the arithmetic computations regarding smaller "books," as they're referred to in the business. There's an ad-to-editorial ratio that makes economic sense for any publication. With the cost of postage, printing, and paper rising continuously, it's quite hard to avoid "house ads" such as those that S Gaugian carries. However, to get more paid "outside" ads, the magazine needs to prove to its potential advertisers that it has more readers. One way to get more readers is to offer more articles, in order to boost the magazine's popularity and, ultimately, its circulation. So get busy, and start photographing and writing---and do it for the love of it; not for the measly page rate you may or may not get. Trust me: When you see your name by-lined for the first time, perhaps even on the cover, that will be worth the proverbial Million Bucks! Even short articles often work (perhaps better than long ones, in fact). Use those spell- and grammar-checkers, and try and submit a well-written piece that you think others would enjoy. Tip: Have a "copy editor" look it over before you submit it (someone in your family who has a reasonable eye for grammar and flow). Read the final manuscript out loud, too. That's a sure-fire test of its "readability." Talk to Dom Heimburger about what he needs in terms of art and word count, etc. Ask him about deadlines, and how he'd like a manuscript submitted (printed or electronically?). Ask him if you'll be able to review the article he has edited before publication. Do this not to dicker about the style (that's his concern) but about technical accuracy. Work this all out beforehand, so you won't be surprised by changes to your story that you might not like. I know, I know, you're saying you've never written anything in your life, and you can't write. To that I say: BS. If you're educated enough to read S Gaugian, give it a try. Perhaps collaborate with a friend, and get a dual byline. Keep your sentences short and to the point. Use that word processor to re-write as often as you wish. Feel free to move things around to make the story flow better, and trash any words that are aren't needed. Run that spell checker often. Ditto for the grammar checker. Write about the train show you visited. Write about the electrical problem you solved. Write about the kit you assembled, or bashed. Write about the equipment you restored. Write about your childhood with American Flyer. Write about the trackwork error you made, and corrected. Write about the lubrication you use. The possibilities are endless. And don't forget those photos. Hand drawn sketches are often nifty, too. I have an engineering friend who uses the most beautiful hand drawn sketches to accompany his reports. He uses graph paper (of course, he's an engineer), and they're really fun to look at. Never forget that it's a monumental task for Don H. to put together his paper magazine, fitting in the text, and jumping to other pages, around ads that come in late, etc. S Gaugian magazine obviously doesn't have the personnel to do it right, as witnessed by the typos and poor grammar in some cases, even in advertisements (witness the recent inside front-cover American Models ad that read "Your gonna like these..." instead of "You're going to..." or even "You're gonna..." That's my two-cents worth. If you desire a better magazine, contribute. == Alex in Maine .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:09 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugian I have been writing a regular column about repairing and operating American Flyer trains for the S Gaugian magazine since 1988. In return for this, I receive a free subscription.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24806	From: skendel	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1815

To me, it appears that this picture is from the current exhibit at the Eli Whitney Museum, not from the 1939 World's Fair. Perhaps it is historically inaccurate? Skip Kendel P.S. THANK YOU, Chuck, for providing the catalogs online. I refer to them all the time for research and simply for pleasure. I have also become very interested in the '39 Fair, which my father attended, and I've been following the links to read more about it. > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:45:20 -0500 > From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> > Subject: Could it be, that Gilbert S gauge trains were at the 1939 Worlds Fair? > > > While seaching the web, I have found an interesting page and photo. > http://www.eliwhitney.org/trains99/trains.html > > It clearly shows what look like Gilbert trains. However, if you look at > the picture, you see a 3 rail track, presumably O gauge, and next two > it, a couple of tracks that look more like S gauge. That can't be? This > is 1939! Also, the track all looks like Gargraves. There are other > scenes at this site of the two rail track, but only this one photo gives > any idea of scale. What do you think? > > Yes, they started selling S gauge trains in 1946, but could it be that > they display trains running on S gauge track in 1939? This is interesting!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24807	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: More Brass for Sale

Hi Folks I still have my friends Omnicon NYC Painted and lighted Mohawk L3A 4-8-2 $900.00 Test run only Overland USRA Light Pacific 4-6-2 Painted. Has NYC on it but is easily changed. $800.00 Ran very little New butch for sale River Raisin NYC H10b 2-8-2 Painted and lettered $1,200 Test run only Overland NYC Hudson W/ 6 wheel tender Painted and lettered. mint condition. $1,000 R & W 10 ton Sand Tower. Double track $350.00 All above in excellent shape. Both in appearance and running. Shipping Figure 2%. If interested email me at foley164@... or call 570 622 3413 John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24808	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] More Brass for Sale

FLASH!!! The owner of the goods below says you can buy all all five items below for $3,900 + $50. for shipping. Any Left over shipping money will be returned. John At 12:04 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, John A Foley wrote: >Hi Folks > > I still have my friends > > Omnicon NYC Painted and lighted Mohawk L3A 4-8-2 $900.00 Test run only > >Overland USRA Light Pacific 4-6-2 Painted. Has NYC on it but is easily >changed. $800.00 Ran very little > > New butch for sale > >River Raisin NYC H10b 2-8-2 Painted and lettered $1,200 Test run only > >Overland NYC Hudson W/ 6 wheel tender Painted and lettered. mint >condition. $1,000 > >R & W 10 ton Sand Tower. Double track $350.00 > >All above in excellent shape. Both in appearance and running. > >Shipping Figure 2%. > >If interested email me at foley164@... or call 570 622 3413 > >John Foley > > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24809	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Large SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list (All New)

Large SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list (All New) Hello All, Here is the complete list of what I have for sale. All items are new and unused Some items are already sold and are called out below. If you want to buy something form me please copy and paste all the info for each line item into your email to me. I onnly accept money orders and PayPal. Shipping will be added to your total. Thanks, Jon Marinello 53'6" General Steel Casting Co. Flat Cars and Trailers (30% off retail) $41.97 + shipping #00181 TOFC Penn #1 w/PRR Trailer #00310-6 TOFC WM with WM Trailer #00308-3 TOFC D&RGW with D&RGW Trailer #00304-5 TOFC GN with GN Trailer Sold (M) - "pjturbo" <anita42phil@...> #00193 TOFC Trailer Train #1 w/REAX ALM Trailer #00191 TOFC New York Central #1 w/NYC Trailer #00306-9 TOFC PRR #3 with PRR #2 Trailer #00189 TOFC New Haven #1 w/NH Trailer Sold (M) - ericb <ericb@...> #00180 TOFC Rock Island w/RI Trailer #00301-4 TOFC B&O with B&O Trailer Sold (M) - Furmanak, Stan" <furmanak@...> 48' General Steel Casting Co. Bulkhead Flat Cars (30% off retail) $34.97 + shipping #00166 Bulkhead Flatcar WAB GBP BM Load #00157 Bulkhead Flatcar BN PC BM Load #00158 Bulkhead Flatcar CB&Q JM BM Load #00161 Bulkhead Flatcar IC GBM BM Load #00162 Bulkhead Flatcar IC JM BM Load #00165 Bulkhead Flatcar UP USG BM Load #00164 Bulkhead Flatcar UP Mas BM Load #00156 Bulkhead Flatcar BN USG BM Load #00163 Bulkhead Flatcar SOU EP BM Load #00338 Bulkhead Flatcar WM/CSS Pulpwood Load #00160 Bulkhead Flatcar D&RGW EP BM Load #00159 Bulkhead Flatcar CB&Q PC BM Load Extended Vision Cabooses $69.95 retail (30% off retail) $48.97 + shipping #00234 Caboose Illinois Central Gulf #1 #00232 Caboose Great Northern #1 #00266 Caboose Milwaukee Road #1 Sold (M) - Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> #00218 Caboose Burlington Northern #1 #00238 Caboose Northern Pacific #1 #00225 Caboose Chessie #2 53'6" General Steel Casting Co. Flat Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00209 Standard Flatcar Chicago Northwestern #00212 Standard Flatcar Nickel Plate Road #00314-4 Standard Flatcar Canadian Pacific #00216 Standard Flatcar Union Pacific #00215 Standard Flatcar Seaboard #00174 Standard Flatcar Union Pacific PS-2 Two Bay Covered Hoppers (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00076 PS-2 2-bay Great Northern 71451 #00077 PS-2 2-bay Nickel Plate Road 91503 Sold (M) - VB <iradiate1967@...> #00285 PS-2 2-bay M&Stl #1 NASG 99 conv car Sold (M) - "Dan Brindell" <dbrindell@...> #00033-4 PS-2 2-bay Lehigh Valley/Friction Bearing Sold (M) - "Robert D Eves III" <rdeves@...> #00089 PS-2 2-bay Grand Trunk Railroad 111163 Sold (M) - DRmusic244@... #00028-0 PS-2 2-bay D&RGW/Friction Bearing #00085 PS-2 2-bay Chessie (CSXT) 226403 #00409 PS-2 2-bay CSX (Central Soya)#2 PS-2 Three Bay Covered Hoppers (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00278 PS-2 3-bay Great Northern #1 #00274 PS-2 3-bay Chessie B&O #1 #00279 PS-2 3-bay Erie Lackawanna #1 40' USRA Single Sheathed Wooden Box Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00141 SS Xm Rutland 7999 #00142 SS USRA Xm Clinchfield 8051 #00073 USRA SS Xm Ney York Central 277361 #00075 SS USRA Xm Canadian Pacific 230471 #00146 SS USRA Xm Pacific Electric 2712 #00143 SS USRA Xm Erie 92512 #00072 SS USRA Xm Souther Pacific #00147 SS USRA Xm Wabash 76012 #00144 SS USRA Xm Milwaukee 700112 40' Wooden Stock Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00138 SC Missouri Pacific 154092 #00064 SC New York Central 22591 #00060 SC Santa Fe 23001 #00055 SC Atlantic Coast Line 140441 40' USRA Double Sheathed Boxcars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00549 DS Xm TH&B #00544 DS Xm Boston & Maine #00547 DS Xm Great Northern #00548 DS Xm NYC #00543 DS Xm Atlantic Coast Line 40' Steel "Rebuilt" Box Cars (20% off retail) $31.96 + shipping #00131 Steel Rebuilt Xm Pennsylvania 107751 #00353 Steel Rebuilt Xm Ball Lines #1 #00130 Steel Rebuilt Xm PMKY/NYC 83401 #00351 Steel Rebuilt Xm Roscoe, Snyder & Pacific #1 40' Wooden Billboard Reefer Cars 15% off retail) $36.51 + shipping #00489 Reefer LV #1 #00497 Reefer PGE 2000 Christmas Car #00496 Reefer Merchants Despatch #2 #00492 Reefer NWX-gray #2 #00498 Reefer Pacific Fruit Express #1 #00484 Reefer BREX #2 #00517 Reefer Ballentine Beer #2 #00574 Reefer BAR #2 6514 #00686 Reefer Northern Pacific #1 #00566 Reefer PFE-orange #1 Flat Cars with Loads See items for prices (15% off retail) + shipping #00470 IH Combine Load with corn row head & #00342 SFC Delaware & hudson $47.56 #00470 IH Combine Load & #00213 SFC Pennsyslvania $47.56 #00471 JD log skidder load & #00214 SFC Rock Island $42.46 #00473 JD bulldozer (2) loads & #00315-1 SFC Great Northern $50.96 #00472 JD fron end loaders (2 per flatcar) & #00314-4 SFC Canadian Pacific $50.96 #00469 JD Combine Load with corn row head & #00173 SFC Southern $46.71 #00530 Terra Gator Dry Load & SFC AT&SF $47.56 #00511 JD Excavtor Load & #00316-8 SFC New Haven $42.46 #00532 Asst Bobcats(4) Load & #00318-2 SFC D&RGW $50.96 Composite Hoppers 3 Car Sets (20% off retail) $79.96 + shipping #00762 Comp Hb AT&SF 3 car set #1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24810	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: 1939 World's Fair

**(((To me, it appears that this picture is from the current exhibit at the Eli Whitney Museum, not from the 1939 World's Fair. ))))*** I think Skip is correct here. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24811	From: hgetrain	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: Could it be, that Gilbert S gauge trains were at the 1939 World

Chuck, The photo you mention is of the layout at the Eli Whitney museum. This layout is part of their celebration of the 1939 Worlds Fair. My father had a 1939 Worlds Fair brochure, which I am not able to find right now, but I seem to remember a photo of a model train layout that was very different from the one pictured at the museum. Harry Eberhardt -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > Some time ago I aquired a 1939 Gilbert catalog, which is posted > currently on my website. That has led to somewhat of a facination with > the 1939 Worlds Fair. Gilbert gave away these catalogs there, and > apparently had a train exhibit. The 1939 Catalog can be seen at > http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm > > While seaching the web, I have found an interesting page and photo. > http://www.eliwhitney.org/trains99/trains.html > > It clearly shows what look like Gilbert trains. However, if you look at > the picture, you see a 3 rail track, presumably O gauge, and next two > it, a couple of tracks that look more like S gauge. That can't be? This > is 1939! Also, the track all looks like Gargraves. There are other > scenes at this site of the two rail track, but only this one photo gives > any idea of scale. What do you think? > > Is there anyone in the group that perhaps attended the 1939 Worlds Fair > and saw this train exhibit? > > Yes, they started selling S gauge trains in 1946, but could it be that > they display trains running on S gauge track in 1939? This is interesting!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24812	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Circus Passenger Car

Ive never been able to find a good circus passenger car (Worlds Greatest Show) so Ive decided to make one by refinishing a junker New Haven red one. My question is - what type of paint and what shade of yellow would work best for this. Any tips on prepping would be appreciated. Havent done much of this since I was a kid 50 yrs ago. Thans for reading this email. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24813	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 16, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24814	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: 719 C B & Q Dumpcar - Help Needed

Hello all, I have just purchased a 719 dumpcar and it has a couple of problems. The first problem was the plunger didn't work. The second is the side panel stays in the drop position all the time. I decided I couldn't do much more harm, so I removed the body and found one wire was broken - so a quick solder job and now the plunger works. I'm ready to reassemble the body, but can't find a blow up diagram. I assume the black gear must be properly positioned to allow the gear on the pivot arm to raise and lower the panel when the plunger actuates the body. Is this the way it works or am I missing something? What is the proper position for the black gear? As always, any help is greatly appreciated! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24815	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: 719 help

Bull: The gear on the screw does not move. The gear on the door axle does move. As it moves, it opens and closes the door. An arrangement from hell, and fragile, too. First screw in the screw on the non gear side. Mount the body on the pin. Take the second pivot screw. Under the head should be a small split ring lock washer. Under that , the gear. This is tricky and you may need to hold the gear with a forceps to get it positioned on the screw. The gear should be positioned so that when the door is closed and the body down, the other gear on the door shaft should be at the beginning of its teeth. In other words as the bin lifts, the small gear travels down along the teeth in the large gear and opens the door. As the bin lowers, the little gear travels back along the teeth and closes the door. When you get the gear in the correct position, hold the whole car in one hand with the bin down and the door closed, and tighten the gear screw all the way. It will most likely take you several tries; just be patient and gentle with it. The 719 and 919 are so fragile at the hinges that it is better to actuate them with a reduced voltage, either by having several 1 ohm 10 watt resistors in the wiring to the third rail or by using the variable voltage of a separate small transformer, in phase with the track power transformer, with base posts of the two transformers connected. Set the speed so it is just enough to actuate the car. See the Roundhouse in the May-June '99 S Gaugian for more info. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24816	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1815

In a message dated 3/14/03 4:15:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > "garyandkay66203" <g.landers@w...> > wrote: > >It is an honor to be the 1000th member of the "list". I am a > >physician. My specialty is emergency medicine. I grew up with > >American Flyer trains but just recently got back into them. I hope > >to grow my knowledge and collection through this group. > Welcome to the group. It's always good to have a new name in the fold, especially an "operator" like yourself. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24817	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: more on the 719

The prototype of the 719 and 919 was not a coal dump car. The real one was a (hydraulic?) ballast dumping car for work trains Don Thompson would know more about this than I do, but in real life you would never have seen a car like that carrying coal; it would have been carrying gravel. Howsomever, since it takes about seventeen years for an AF coal loader to load a conventional hopper car, these dump cars, which are definitely beautiful, are ideal for loading with a coal loader. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24818	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2003
Subject: 719

A 719 is a model of what us real RRs call an air dump. We use them for rip rap..which is large boulders, fines which is walkway material, and ballast...They are actually very easy cars to flip in real life and a little skill and care is taken while using them. They are charged with air from the locos of the train...just a bit of info is all..Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24819	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Sunday Chat ...& 1000th Member

WOW..Now if only our Sunday chat could get a NEW Record..and have more than 15-20 members of the 1000 show up ....Come all you devote AF & S guagers who read this postings ...LETS BREAK A RECORD AND MAKE PAUL PROWD....SEE YA'LL show up this Sunday...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24820	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Subject: 719 C B & Q Dumpcar - Help Needed

BG1: Sometimes the crescent gear's teeth get worn and rounded over the years from guys forcing the door closed again. Try replacing it with a new repro that has sharper teeth. That has worked in the past for me. Other than that, be happy when it opens and unloads. You may have to manually <carefully> close it again. It seems to be the nature of the beast, sometimes. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24821	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Any word on Dave Garber

Todd........ I was thinking of taking a ride up with my Pop Let me know what U think Thnx Clay "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?" "The Shadow Knows!" Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24822	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: ebay

This is interesting text from several current ebay listings. I'm sorry to say that I really don't know anything about these train cars except that they come from the Estate of Ernie Horr, a well known S-Gauge railroader. He was my Dad's cousin and I'm helping Harriet sell these. Ernie was very well known in the S Scale world and even wrote for the NASG newsletter, and owning one of these cars is to own a bit of S-Gauge history! And please note that most of these are used cars, but lovingly used. Also we encourage you to insure your package as Harriet wraps very well but you just never know what troubles a package may have getting from here to there! Ted Larson Watch out for the latest Internet bad stuff!!!! http://www.komando.com/kolumns_cat.asp?catID=4138 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24823	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: I still have the AT&SF Passenger F7 for sale

I forgot to include the #00900 AT&SF EMD F7 (Passenger) ABA set in my last posting. I still have it and it is available. Thanks, --jon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24824	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Lionel's factory & sales store for sale

In case y'all didn't know, Lionel (oops I wrote out the dreaded L word!! AAAUGH, I'm slipping!) is selling their current factory/headquarters. The press release contains the following text: "Lionel L.L.C. is one of the world's leading marketer of model trains and accessories. Established in 1900, the Lionel name is the most widely recognized brand in the toy train industry and one of the most recognized brands in America. Lionel has been at the center of every major innovation in toy train manufacturing and marketing since its inception." Gee, nothing ACG did counts? Like enameled winding wire, PullMor power, TWO RAIL "T" track??? I beg to differ with big L's opinion of themselves. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24825	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ebay

Hi Ted I bought some of Ernie's car directly from Mrs. Horr. I can tell you everything I bought was very made and in top shape when i got them. The cars use Kadee No. 5's and hirail wheels { easily changed ]. John At 11:52 AM 3/15/2003 -0500, Ted Larson wrote: >This is interesting text from several current ebay listings. > >I'm sorry to say that I really don't know anything about these train cars >except that they come from the Estate of Ernie Horr, a well known >S-Gauge railroader. He was my Dad's cousin and I'm helping Harriet sell >these. > Ernie was very well known in the S Scale world and even wrote for >the NASG newsletter, and owning one of these cars is to own a bit of >S-Gauge history! And please note that most of these are used cars, but >lovingly used. > Also we encourage you to insure your package as Harriet wraps very >well but you just never know what troubles a package may have getting >from here to there! > >Ted Larson > Watch out for the latest Internet bad stuff!!!! > http://www.komando.com/kolumns_cat.asp?catID=4138 > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24826	From: TCS	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals

743 IAIS hood units. 1999+ 744 SLSF stock car. 10-51 745 SLSF 1100 seires caboose. 1950's The below sets will be printed in HO scale only. Retail price, $7.50. 746 AOK automax. 3-01 747 SOO automax. 5-00 748 KCS automax. 11-99 749 CRLE automax. 5-99 750 CSXT automax. 3-01 Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.25. S & O scale retail price $6.50. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $6.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24827	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Flyer innovations (was Lionel factory...)

A list of the things American Flyer invented/contributed to toy trains would be a fun thing to compile right here. The Duck mentioned enameled wire, traction tires, two rail T track. How about chuggers and puffers? The rerailer? Switch machines with relay contacts? Worm geared motors? There are a lot more, both from Chicago Flyer and Gilbert. For those of you who are not familiar with them, Flyer made some incredible Standard and O gauge trains before WW II. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24828	From: eddiee456	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: message from e-bay ref. to ID fraud

I wrote to e-bay referance to the posting about the ID fraud that was posted the other day. This is the message they sent back. Ed Vogler Hello, Thank you for writing regarding the email you received. The message you received was not sent by eBay nor was it endorsed by us in any way. By altering the reply-to address for this email, this message may appear to have come from an eBay email address, when it actually came from an external email address. This also means that hitting the reply to button will send the message to the altered email address in the reply to field. This process is commonly referred to as "Spoofing". Please rest assured that your account standing has not changed and that your auctions have not been affected. We are currently investigating the source of the email. Although we are unable to provide specific information regarding the result of our investigation, let me assure you that eBay does take these matters seriously. We work closely with ISPs to remove these sites quickly. Please remember that eBay will never ask you for your private information, including credit card information or password, in an email. Also, eBay will never send you any request or solicitation from a non-eBay email account, or provide a link outside of eBay for entering credit card or other private information. If you ever need to give us information, it is suggested that you go to the main website and follow links there to the site map or any other place you may need to give information. That way you are certain you are giving your information to us and not a third party. If you have entered your user ID and password as requested by the email message you will wish to change your password following the steps below: * Click on the site map link (located at the top of any eBay page) * Scroll through the 'Services' section * Click on the link 'Change my password' Then once you are on the Change your password page, follow the instructions that appear on that page. If you entered information such as your social security number or credit card numbers into a web site that you were directed to via a spoofed email, you need to take immediate action to protect your identity. The following web sites have valuable information on the steps you should take to protect yourself: http://www.newyork.bbb.org/identitytheft/newscams.html http://www.consumer.gov/idtheft/victim.htm In the future if you receive a similar email, do not respond to it, and contact us through the Rules and Safety Support at the following URL: http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-RS.html You may also report future messages impersonating eBay to us by forwarding the message to spoof@.... When using this email address please make sure that you use the forward function of your email program with spoof@... in the to field. Please do not alter the subject line, add text to your message, or forward the email as an attachment. We believe that some members are receiving these messages because they are using or have used their email address for their user ID. We recommend that all members have a user ID. If your user ID is currently your email address you may change it by following the instructions below: * Click on the site map link located at the top of any eBay page * Scroll through the 'Services' section * Click on 'Change my User ID' and follow the instructions on that page All of your account information will be linked to the new ID including your feedback profile. Additionally, you will have a set of "shades" next to your new ID for 30 days to alert members to the change. More information about account security can be found at the following address: http://pages.ebay.com/help/account_protection.html? ssPageName=CMDV:AB000 8 We apologize for any confusion this message may have created for you and we appreciate your efforts in helping keep eBay a safe trading place. Regards, Colton eBay SafeHarbor Investigations Team

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24829	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Die Cast Vehicles

For you that are having a hard time finding current or old stock die cast vehicles, try this dealer. If he does not have it, he might in the future. You might ask if he'll call you if he gets it in. Gary Robbins 585-223-8450 part time 315-986-7764 home

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24830	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: (no subject)

In response to a recent request, I created a poll asking folks what time zone they live in. I think the person that asked is thinking about organizing a different time slot for a second chat session. The Poll is at http://S-Scale.org (no login is required) Have a Happy 3/16 ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24831	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Easter photos in my album

I have added a few photos of my little "Easter" Layout,.....I hope to ad some better pics soon!! They are in the "Easter Layout" album. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album31 Rick Evans. :^) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24832	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: Easter photos in my album

Hello Rick, Nice idea, it gives me that old time department store display feeling. Not like a display such as those Flyer dealer displays (that we all love) to feature and promote trains, but like that of a seasonal display in a small town store window...THOSE WERE THE DAYS!! Keep up the good work, looking forward to seeing photos of those gondolas filled with colored jelly beans, PEEPS, and other goodies. OH BOY! TRAINS!.................Herky 1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24833	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Whistle controller question...

I wonder if someone could answer a quick question here...the AF 314AW engine and tender, "What whistle controller did it come with?" I see so many controllers out there, I'm confused. Look forward to your response. Chris Foden, Ontario, Canada

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24834	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: 719 Back In Service

Many thanks to Tom Jarcho for explaining how to mount the dump body on the 719. It works like a dream now!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24835	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1816

CIRCUS CAR: Larry, I have found a good start for a project like thus is pick up a set of H.O. circus decals ( I have found that H.O. Decals work good with "S") at your local hobby shop. Most decal sets have all the specifications, and color diagrams. Use only plastic compatible paint, or a barrier coat for non compatible paint, Spray cans work good, don't rush, leave some dry time. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24836	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel's factory store for sale ????

Nope, just the headquarters building, it "doesn't fit their present needs" Hmmm. S David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24837	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West 4 form correction!! GALT not GAIT!

Hi all, If everyone has been trying to find "Gait, CA" it doesn't exist!! AN OCR typo!! it is Galt, CA ! G A L T!! Also, Berry's email has changed, and I've updated that too. AND! if you are NOT going to the Fest, but ordering a tower (which, right now requires a registration fee ($5 right now), the shipping will be $8.50 in the USA. Barry says he has gotten some long-distance registrations, he suspect they are just to get the tower, but the shipping wasn't sent in with the registration. Info page: http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/festwest4info.htm Registration form: http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/registration.htm Fest commemorative tower picture: http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/Tower4.JPG Be there or Be O!! S' David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24838	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1816

Hey guys....It ain't legal but I still have A set of Bennet's Circus Rub Offs somewhere...My scanner is down right now...But could it be scanned and copied to Decal film? I also have A can of red and yellow that I got some time back..Its the kind the fellow at York used to match the flyer colors...will try to find that if you like....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1816 > > CIRCUS CAR: Larry, I have found a good start for a project like thus is > pick up a set of H.O. circus decals ( I have found that H.O. Decals work > good with "S") at your local hobby shop. Most decal sets have all the > specifications, and color diagrams. Use only plastic compatible paint, or > a barrier coat for non compatible paint, Spray cans work good, don't > rush, leave some dry time. > > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24839	From: waldootten	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Re: Gentlemen, start your processors and fire up those DCAMs!

May I respectfully disagree about taking up the cause and submitting articles to S-Gaugian at no cost to the publication. I can appreciate Alex's point of view on this topic because it is obvious like all of us, he has a passion for S gauge. But here's another perspective from someone who shares that passion and is both publisher and editor of a magazine -- in its 15th year -- a large niche publication with 55,000+ circulation that is printed 15 times per year. I started by draining all the money left in my bank account at the time -- $3,000. We began very small, did the job right, and the business grew. BTW, our distribution is totally FREE. Gentlemen and ladies, it should not be up to the paid subscribers or members of this board to come up with cogent and topical editorial material and ideas for S-Gaugian magazine in order to make it better. That's the publisher's and/or editor's job. I think that if you publish a niche publication, you should both know the topic and have a feel for what the readers want -- and not need or rely on unpaid freelancers in an effort to give your publication any degree of quality. Yes, they'd probably sell more than 5,000 subscriptions if it was more appealing. But forget the theory that the price would go down if there were more subscribers. S-Gaugian has 5,000 paid subscribers who right now are willing to pay $32 a year. If S- Gaugian wanted to boost the number of subscribers, the price would already have been lowered and they could make money on the volume. That increased readership also would make the book more appealing to advertisers. I know, that's how it works for us. If I owned S- Gaugian and if more people were willing to subscribe because it was substantially better, I wouldn't lower the price. After all, remember it's a business, not a not-for-profit. Paying writers is part of the cost of the publishing business. Let S-Gaugian compensate its writers if that is what will improve it and boost the numbers. I wish I could get away with paying my columnists nothing more than a free subscription (they get over $150 each time for about 800-1000 words and don't have to provide pictures -- we have two paid photographers on our staff as well). I've read Tom Jarcho's stuff and he is a sharp, top-notch writer who deserves to be compensated. So do several of the others at S-Gaugian. And it doesn't appear we need to hold a tag day for Heimburger Publishing Co., either. I have met Don several times at train shows and he seems to be a nice fellow, selling the many wonderful books they also publish -- I've been to their offices and have seen them on display. I am a subscriber of S-Gaugian and have also coughed up 12 bucks for a copy of their Scenery Unlimited catalog and have spent over $1,000 with them. As an aside, my opinion is that it is silly to have to pay $12 for a catalog. I wouldn't pay $12 to go shopping at a train shop. Why can't they put the whole thing online for free, like many others do? And many of us pay $32 for six copies of a magazine that is filled with even more of their "in-house advertising." But things won't change if the philosophy at S-Gaugian does not change. Let's let them continue to run it as the business it is and make their own decisions, and if somebody else comes along that can do it better -- well, that's what happens in a free society. If someone is knowledgeable about the subject and due to their pure passion for the topic is willing to submit articles and photos for free, than why not organize it into an Internet newsletter, a series of PDF files accessible with the free Acrobat Reader, and post those articles here in the "files" section so anyone could print them out for the cost of the paper? We have full electronic publishing facilities and would be willing to help. And if S-Gaugian wants to reprint those articles, let them open their checkbook and pay for the rights. My $0.02, Phil K ****************************************************************** >In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alex" <alexmm@a...> wrote: > S folks: > > Tom Jarcho's comments about contributing articles should be taken > seriously. I worked as Editor-in-Chief of three magazines over the last 25 > years, with circulations of each in excess of 100,000. However, I have also > done the arithmetic computations regarding smaller "books," as they're > referred to in the business. There's an ad-to-editorial ratio that makes > economic sense for any publication. > > With the cost of postage, printing, and paper rising continuously, it's > quite hard to avoid "house ads" such as those that S Gaugian carries. > However, to get more paid "outside" ads, the magazine needs to prove to its > potential advertisers that it has more readers. One way to get more readers > is to offer more articles, in order to boost the magazine's popularity and, > ultimately, its circulation. > > So get busy, and start photographing and writing---and do it for the love of > it; not for the measly page rate you may or may not get. Trust me: When you > see your name by-lined for the first time, perhaps even on the cover, that > will be worth the proverbial Million Bucks! > > Even short articles often work (perhaps better than long ones, in fact). Use > those spell- and grammar-checkers, and try and submit a well- written piece > that you think others would enjoy. > > Tip: Have a "copy editor" look it over before you submit it (someone in your > family who has a reasonable eye for grammar and flow). Read the final > manuscript out loud, too. That's a sure-fire test of its "readability." > > Talk to Dom Heimburger about what he needs in terms of art and word count, > etc. Ask him about deadlines, and how he'd like a manuscript submitted > (printed or electronically?). Ask him if you'll be able to review the > article he has edited before publication. Do this not to dicker about the > style (that's his concern) but about technical accuracy. Work this all out > beforehand, so you won't be surprised by changes to your story that you > might not like. > > I know, I know, you're saying you've never written anything in your life, > and you can't write. To that I say: BS. > > If you're educated enough to read S Gaugian, give it a try. Perhaps > collaborate with a friend, and get a dual byline. > > Keep your sentences short and to the point. Use that word processor to > re-write as often as you wish. Feel free to move things around to make the > story flow better, and trash any words that are aren't needed. Run that > spell checker often. Ditto for the grammar checker. > > Write about the train show you visited. Write about the electrical problem > you solved. Write about the kit you assembled, or bashed. Write about the > equipment you restored. Write about your childhood with American Flyer. > Write about the trackwork error you made, and corrected. Write about the > lubrication you use. The possibilities are endless. > > And don't forget those photos. Hand drawn sketches are often nifty, too. I > have an engineering friend who uses the most beautiful hand drawn sketches > to accompany his reports. He uses graph paper (of course, he's an engineer), > and they're really fun to look at. > > Never forget that it's a monumental task for Don H. to put together his > paper magazine, fitting in the text, and jumping to other pages, around ads > that come in late, etc. > > S Gaugian magazine obviously doesn't have the personnel to do it right, as > witnessed by the typos and poor grammar in some cases, even in > advertisements (witness the recent inside front-cover American Models ad > that read "Your gonna like these..." instead of "You're going to..." or even > "You're gonna..." > > That's my two-cents worth. If you desire a better magazine, contribute. > > == Alex in Maine .-.-. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jarcho@r... [mailto:jarcho@r...] > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:09 PM > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] S Gaugian > > > I have been writing a regular column about repairing and operating American > Flyer trains for the S Gaugian magazine since 1988. In return for this, I > receive a free subscription.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24840	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Circus coach

***((( Larry, I have found a good start for a project like thus is pick up a set of H.O. circus decals ( I have found that H.O. Decals work good with "S") at your local hobby shop. Most decal sets have all the specifications, and color diagrams.))))*** And of course,....if ya want it to look like an AF circus coach,....there are repro decals available. I painted an old AF boxcar yellow and used a red marker to highlight the ladders, etc. Found a spray paint that looked close to my one and only circus coach. I still need to get the repro decals for it though. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24841	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/15/2003
Subject: Seattle GATS report 3/15

Went to the new Spring Seattle GATS today for a couple of hours. (limited due to other obligations). Saw a number of friends as usual. Nice chats, very little S gauge. This show is pretty small by comparison to the fall meets around here. In fact they fit the whole thing in the lobby of the new Seahawks stadium rather than use the New Expo center which had another show in it. With the toy show in Kent the same day (30 miles) and another train Meet in (I think) Salem, Oregon (200 miles) it cut their participation quite a bit. The Danskys ("Toy train Heaven") had their usual very nice but pricey items and a couple others had a few flyer items. Pacific Rail Hobbies of Tacoma had the only SHS and AM stuff I could find and it was a very limited amount (about 8 items and some track). Fortunately though it was all half price! AM UP GP9/18 new in box for under $90 and a few AM box and hoppers for under $20 each. Got my rolling stock fix anyway. There were a couple of tables of ERTL and the like farm equipment too. Not too much in the form of cars though probably due to the Seattle Toy show as mentioned. One thing I noticed again is that the MTH 0-27 buildings look very close to S scale. Has anyone gone through any of their buildings and measured them for size? I bought the train station a year or so ago and it is pretty close. I measured the doors and windows ( calipers measuring actual size times 64) and they are believable as sizes for an actual station. The overall size is pretty close also. It would be an interesting project for someone who has access to many of these items in a store or who distributes them to measure some for size. Just some quick thoughts Eric Reis In the Rain Kenmore, Washington. Actually the spring monsoons of last week throttled back to mere sprinkles today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24842	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: Misc.

Some miscellaneous answers to questions recently raised: (1) Dave Garber passed on, last month. (2) We have the "crescent gear" for the 719/919 dump cars. Indeed, as was pointed out, slightly worn teeth will cause the door pinion gear to slide right over the teeth on the crescent gear. (3) The 314AW whistle control is UNIQUE to that engine. The original controls were housed in a black oval transformer housing......they are hard to find today! We DO have "repro" controls in stock for these units; can be viewed on our website, "What's New" page. (4) Circus dry-transfers for the coach, flatcar, and engines are "extinct", as most of you know. We do have the peel-and-stick lettering available, and we have also done rubber stamps for all these items. Our rubber stamp line now consists of over 100 different stamps, all made from photographs of original lettering on AF items. Check our website for the full list of available stamps. You can't get more realistic than a rubber stamp, unless you have the capability to pad-print ! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24843	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: ISSD

Hey hey, it's 3/16 == International S Scale Day! Here's to the memory of Charles Wynne. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24844	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: Whistle controller question...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Foden" <chris.foden@a...> wrote: > I wonder if someone could answer a quick question here...the AF 314AW engine > and tender, "What whistle controller did it come with?" I see so many > controllers out there, I'm confused. > > Look forward to your response. > > Chris Foden, Ontario, Canada There just happens to be a Gilbert original 314AW whistle controller for sale on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=480&item=3121937810&rd=1 This is a unique controller for the 314AW, no other Gilbert whistle control will activate the 314 whistle because they operate on different electrical principles. Tom Barker's American Flyer repair book has a wiring schematic for building your own 314AW whistle controller from parts available at Radio Shack. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24845	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Photos of Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers Layout

My wife and I had the pleasure to visit with the Atlantic Coast S- Gaugers at the GATS in Atlanta yesterday. They were putting the finishing touches on their 35'x 35' interactive layout when we arrived. We enjoyed meeting and talking with Joe and the guys. The best part was watching them interact with all the kids who were enjoying pushing buttons and operating the large number of Flyer accessories. My wife took a bunch of photos of the layout and I have posted them at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums From here: Pick the "MODEL RAILROADING" link Then pick the "Album: Photos from Our S Friends" link Then pick the "Album: Bullgator" link Then pick the "Album: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - Atlanta 2003 " link. Once again thanks to the Atlantic coast S-Gaugers for letting us visit with them!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24846	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: Photos of Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers Layout

Thanks for posting the ACSG photos. The ACSG sure knows how to have fun. I'm a member of the ACSG Washington & Old Dominion division out of the D.C. area. Yesterday we set up at a Boy Scout train show in Manassas. We have a similar layout with many operating accessories. We had a great time, the scouts really enjoyed it, but the N gaugers set up next to us squawked about all the smoke! We really drew a crowd when we put together a 76 car train pulled by 2 Trainmasters. It stretched almost all the way around the layout. The caboose was only about 2 feet from the engine! You know the brakeman in the caboose was sweating bullets watching his own engine bearing down on him! Steve Blancard Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > My wife and I had the pleasure to visit with the Atlantic Coast S- > Gaugers at the GATS in Atlanta yesterday. They were putting the > finishing touches on their 35'x 35' interactive layout when we > arrived. We enjoyed meeting and talking with Joe and the guys. The > best part was watching them interact with all the kids who were > enjoying pushing buttons and operating the large number of Flyer > accessories. > > My wife took a bunch of photos of the layout and I have posted them > at: > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums > > >From here: > > Pick the "MODEL RAILROADING" link > > Then pick the "Album: Photos from Our S Friends" link > > Then pick the "Album: Bullgator" link > > Then pick the "Album: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - Atlanta 2003 > > " link. > > Once again thanks to the Atlantic coast S-Gaugers for letting us > visit with them!! > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24847	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: Photos of Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers Layout

Interesting paint scheme on that old AF bullet-nose loco!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24848	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West info link on my homepage now.

Hi all, To make it a little easier, I now have links to the Fest information on my homepage, under "Hobbies" www.quiknet.com/~djdewey While this meet isn't the size of meets you find back east, it is the only AF & S oriented meet in Northern California to Southern Oregon! Now to just get us all "out of the closet" and at the Fest having fun with S trains!!! This is the 4th year of the fests, held alternately between the Sacramento club and the Bay Area club, and it is growing. Galt is a nice quiet valley town with a train running through it, and a fine hall for such a function. Nearby are antique stores, and other diversions to keep those busy who can't take a whole day of nothing but trains!! OH BOY HURK! TRAINS!! And there will be other ACG stuff their too--don't miss Sue Rosa's clinic on ACG's non-train merchandise, like blenders, magic tricks, etc. The Early Registration discount time has passed, but it's only $10 to register! Don't forget the catered Buffet BBQ dinner too! S'incerely David Dewey PS Be there, or be O!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24849	From: skendel	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1817

If only the Sopranos didn't come on at the same time as Sunday chat.............................. Skip Kendel > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:31:21 -0000 > From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> > Subject: Sunday Chat ...& 1000th Member > > WOW..Now if only our Sunday chat could get a NEW Record..and have > more than 15-20 members of the 1000 show up ....Come all you devote > AF & S guagers who read this postings ...LETS BREAK A RECORD AND MAKE > PAUL PROWD....SEE YA'LL show up this Sunday...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24850	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: chat

***((If only the Sopranos didn't come on at the same time as Sunday chat..............................)))*** Skip,...aren't they reruns now?? Fire up the VCR !! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24851	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 16, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24852	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: the different "units"

I'm raw at whats what with AF engines. Could someone please tell me the purpose of the B and especially the E unit in the Flyer engines. Are there C and D units? I have not seen them mentioned. Thanks Gentlemen Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24853	From: scott ptacek	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: ebay 336

is this a good deal ckeck it out confused on older items is the new stuff better????? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24854	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: Re: the different "units"

Think of actual railroad diesels like the passenger PA1's The "A" unit is the one with the Cab for the Engineer, The "B" unit does not have the cab and is run remotely from the "A" unit. So there are many combinations of these used A-B setups (one of each) A-B-A (3 engines (cab, no cab, cab) the last 2 of course run remotely from the front. Also there are A-B-B setups and A-B-B-A, etc. all the same idea. I may be oversimplifying this but that is the main jest of it. Now in Flyer land an E-Unit is another term for the Electronic reversing UNIT. These are only in the Lionel-Flyer, S Helper , and American Models engines as Gilbert flyer had mechanical reversing units. No "C" or "D" units I know of. Eric Reis In the Northwest Rain belt Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: WEG138@... [mailto:WEG138@...] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: the different "units" I'm raw at whats what with AF engines. Could someone please tell me the purpose of the B and especially the E unit in the Flyer engines. Are there C and D units? I have not seen them mentioned. Thanks Gentlemen Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24855	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: the different "units"

Bill: there are two different sorts of units in your list. Diesel-electric locomotives are commonly referred to as A and B units. A units have cabs and controls, while B units, also called boosters, have no cabs, although a few had limited controls so a hostler could move them around in an engine terminal. American Flyer made only one body type of B unit, for the Alco passenger diesel, of which the most well known is the Santa fe. The A and B appear sometimes in the engine designation, such as PA1 and PB1, or DD35B. All American Flyer S Gauge B units and many A units are dummies, that is, they have no motors. Many did carry sound devices. I believe SHS and AM make powered S gauge B units. E units are electromechanical sequencing relays that reverse the direction of wound field motors in Lionel electric trains. They were introduced by Ives and Lionel before WW II, and Lionel designated their models that were equipped with them by adding the letter E to the loco number , such as the 226E. At first they were optional, but as they proved their worth they were added to most Lionel locos. American Flyer soon came out with their own, which they called, among other things, remote control units. They all work by changing the direction of the current through the field or through the brushes. The term E unit is now loosely applied to any device that sequences to reverse the direction of the train. Older ones were electromagnetic.Modern ones are solid state electronic. The term is technically correct only as applied to Lionel electromagnetic reverse units, but we use it as a handy name for "that thing that reverses the train". I prefer the term reverse unit myself. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24856	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/16/2003
Subject: A bit of a correction on West Coast S Shows/Conventions

Hi all, I realize now that I somehow forgot (and my sincere apologies for that!) that in the fall is another S scale train show/convention, S Fest, so there are two major S shows out here in Northern/Central California. The Flyer Fest West held in the springtime is organized by a bunch of AF/highrailers, so emphasizes that end of the S spectrum. S Fest, usually held in the fall, is organized by a group of mostly Scale operators, so emphasizes that part of the S spectrum. Both shows are somewhat inclusive though, so if you like S, and you are nearby; Be there or B "O"! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24857	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: Re: Photos of Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers Layout

Thanks for the effort to post these pics of the Atlanta "Atlantic Coast S" layout. Great job! I too have added a few pics in "SteveJay Trains" pages 7 and 8 in the same albums area as "Bull Gator" , Seeya' SteveJay On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:36:06 -0000 "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> writes: > My wife and I had the pleasure to visit with the Atlantic Coast S- > Gaugers at the GATS in Atlanta yesterday. They were putting the > finishing touches on their 35'x 35' interactive layout when we > arrived. We enjoyed meeting and talking with Joe and the guys. The > > best part was watching them interact with all the kids who were > enjoying pushing buttons and operating the large number of Flyer > accessories. > > My wife took a bunch of photos of the layout and I have posted them > at: > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums > > From here: > > Pick the "MODEL RAILROADING" link > > Then pick the "Album: Photos from Our S Friends" link > > Then pick the "Album: Bullgator" link > > Then pick the "Album: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - Atlanta 2003 > > " link. > > Once again thanks to the Atlantic coast S-Gaugers for letting us > visit with them!! > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24858	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: S-Helper Trains for Sale - Update

Hello All, Thank you to all for the purchases made so far. It is a really big help to me as I am out of work for now. For those of you who have purchased your trains, made payment through PayPal and heard form me you may disregard this message as your trains were sent this morning. I also sent you an email confirming this. For those of you who have asked to buy from me and have not as yet confirmed your purchases (sent me an email that your money order is in the mail to me as of today) please read on... I will need you to send me an immediate confirmation as to your order (cars you want) and payment. Please send that email to this new address: jonmarinello@.... I am discontinuing use of my hotmail account as the number of Spam emails is just ridiculous. I will continue to moniter it for now but I will retire it shortly. Please email me right away and let me know if your payment is on the way in order to reserve your cars and engines. Sincerely, Jon Marinello My address is: Jon Marinello 1410 Harbor View Drive Santa Barbara, CA 93103

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24859	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: lead paint on toy trains

Perhaps someone on this list has the specialized knowledge necessary to answer this question: Which colors of paint used in the 30's, 40's, and 50's would be likely to contain lead pigments? I am not worried at all, just curious. I doubt any hazard would apply to Flyer S gauge trains because they have such a thin layer of paint on them. I am more interested in paints that might have been used on prewar tinplate and postwar Lionel trains. Also, does anyone have a recommendation for a good reference book about industrial paint pigments and media? Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24860	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: RRTrack enhanced S support

Check out the new track list: http://www.rrtrack.com/sgauge/sgtrack.htm Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24861	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: Q about K-Line 54" Curve

So is it 3 or 4 to make 90'? I've seen both posted to this list. From the looks of the example of the RRTrack.com software, looks like 3 - which means either AF or KLine track a 30' crossing would be nice. At four that would throw off switches, non-existing crossing, etc... being 25'. TIA! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24862	From: Howard	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: GATS

Hello group I am getting in a little late on the GATS discussion having been off the web for a while. The comment about the west caught my eye as I am out west in California. I have been doing the GATS for the last couple of years in Sacramento and Santa Rosa and have found them both busy and profitable. We have had so many people aroung my S layout that is by my sales tables that my wife has to get tough to get to the accessories to put in the barrels, logs, and so forth. I have also had good luck with S converts. I can't speak for the rest of the GATS shows, but we like the ones here. The next is in Santa Rosa August 16 and 17. We just had the Sacramento one. Better yet is the International Rail Fair in November in Roseville. April 13 in Placerville is a nice show. Take care Howard -------Original Message------- From: Bob Werre <bob@...> Sent: 03/17/03 08:47 AM To: Borore@... Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: GATS > > > > > > > >>Regrettably I am not aware of any out west. We focus our travels >>east of the Mississippi. >> >>Jim >> >> >> > >Jim, For us here in the Northwest that is exactly the problem. There are a >few one day shows that are mostly just swap meets run by local HO clubs. >Maybe they will have a small layout or two running but not much more. Most >don't have a hall big enough to set up many layouts and still have room for >the swap tables. For us GATS has been the only 2 day show with a large >enough draw to warrant the expense and time to set up and run. We usually do >two or three shows a year depending on the time of year and what else is >going on that weekend. This year we did the Feb. show, will do the end of >Mar. skip the Oct. show and do the Nov. show if everything works out ok. >Bob >NWSS > > > > I have tried to deal with GATS on a modeling and professional (photography) level. Both ventures left me with a feel ing of needing some Lysol to clean the phone. Houston, at one time, had one of the largest shows. I would guess it's about half size, and last year most of the clubs declined to display because of the low payback. We were always told they were already booked with layouts--perhaps because we wanted cash-- not some contest. Unfortunately, they are the only big game in town so I do attend most of the shows by default. And speaking of train shows, the Houston S Gaugers will have our complete layout at a show this coming weekend at Town and Country Mall. It's a two day show with several layouts and venders (there's room for you Jim and Dan--remember Go West Young Man) So if any of you kind folks are in the area you can come by and run some trains--or better yet bring something to run. Or even be the absolute best and help us strike the layout Sunday evening, ha. Bob Werre [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To see or post Photos visit <a target=_blank href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/</a> or <a target=_blank href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/</a> To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to <a target=_blank href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/">http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/</a> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24863	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/17/2003
Subject: Re: Q about K-Line 54" Curve

Michael asked: >So is it 3 or 4 to make 90'? It's 3 sections for 90 degrees of curve, just like Gilbert AF 19" radius. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24864	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: S-Gaugian

Ok all you complainers! I got my Jan/Feb S Gaugian today, March 18th. Did you all say that you were getting your March/April S gaugian in March??? Am I actually two months behind? Oh well, I enjoy the magazine, although I wish the layout articles were longer and were something like those in some of the other magazines including a schematic, code rail, grades, size, etc. regards to all Rance Velapoldi Norway ps What is the feeling about the directions we are going in the Mid East? Send me some info off group line. Tx.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24865	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: GATS

Hi Folks This may interest you folks, The other day I received a letter from GATS. Seems the will be taking over the operation of the Greenberg shows. You can read about it at http://www.gats.com/ Click on news flash. John Foley At 08:46 PM 3/17/2003 -0800, Howard wrote: >Hello group >I am getting in a little late on the GATS discussion having been off the >web for a while. >The comment about the west caught my eye as I am out west in >California. I have been doing the GATS for the last couple of years in >Sacramento and Santa Rosa and have found them both busy and >profitable. We have had so many people aroung my S layout that is by my >sales tables that my wife has to get tough to get to the accessories to >put in the barrels, logs, and so forth. I have also had good luck with S >converts. I can't speak for the rest of the GATS shows, but we like the >ones here. The next is in Santa Rosa August 16 and 17. We just had the >Sacramento one. >Better yet is the International Rail Fair in November in Roseville. April >13 in Placerville is a nice show. >Take care >Howard >-------Original Message------- >From: Bob Werre <bob@...> >Sent: 03/17/03 08:47 AM >To: Borore@... >Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: GATS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Regrettably I am not aware of any out west. We focus our travels > >>east of the Mississippi. > >> > >>Jim > >> > >> > >> > > > >Jim, For us here in the Northwest that is exactly the problem. There >are a > >few one day shows that are mostly just swap meets run by local HO clubs. > > >Maybe they will have a small layout or two running but not much more. >Most > >don't have a hall big enough to set up many layouts and still have room >for > >the swap tables. For us GATS has been the only 2 day show with a large > >enough draw to warrant the expense and time to set up and run. We >usually do > >two or three shows a year depending on the time of year and what else is > >going on that weekend. This year we did the Feb. show, will do the end >of > >Mar. skip the Oct. show and do the Nov. show if everything works out ok. > >Bob > >NWSS > > > > > > > > > I have tried to deal with GATS on a modeling and professional >(photography) level. Both ventures left me with a feel ing of needing >some Lysol to clean the phone. Houston, at one time, had one of the >largest shows. I would guess it's about half size, and last year most >of the clubs declined to display because of the low payback. We were >always told they were already booked with layouts--perhaps because we >wanted cash-- not some contest. Unfortunately, they are the only big >game in town so I do attend most of the shows by default. > And speaking of train shows, the Houston S Gaugers will have our >complete layout at a show this coming weekend at Town and Country Mall. > It's a two day show with several layouts and venders (there's room for >you Jim and Dan--remember Go West Young Man) So if any of you kind >folks are in the area you can come by and run some trains--or better yet >bring something to run. Or even be the absolute best and help us strike >the layout Sunday evening, ha. >Bob Werre > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To see or post Photos visit ><a target=_blank >href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/</a> >or <a target=_blank >href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/</a> >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to <a target=_blank >href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/">http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/</a> > > > > > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24866	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender

What's the skinny on the coal pusher with the 282's tender? I assume (uh, oh) that there was no prototype for this so what was its intended function in AF's eyes? Also, was the coal pusher only used on the 282 or did other AF tenders get this? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24867	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: coal pusher

There WAS a prototype coal pusher, no doubt made by Worthington or one of those companies.. Probably a loco with one ran past the Gilbert factory and the old man said,"What's this? I want it on our newest loco!" It was also on the 293 etc NYNH&HRR I-4 Pacific plastic tenders. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24868	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender

It is prototypical, and was one "added feature" to make that locomotive more interesting and command a slightly higher price. Note that most locos with coal pushers also have marker lights in those two holes at the rear corners of the tender. I always wondered what those holes were for, until I saw one of the equipped tenders. Now why ACG didn't sell "upgrade kits" so we could add them to our tenders is a good mystery! Would have been another, albeit small, income stream. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24869	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender

The coal pusher was an air powered cylinder with a bulldozer blade that was used (as you might have guessed) to push the coal toward the front of the tender so it would make the coal fall in to the stoker screw trough & so the fireman didn't need to climb back in the tender to knock the coal down by hand ( sometimes a nasty if not unsafe job) Most of the modern stoker equipped engines had these while not always visable. One example was the NYC Hudson had it but could not be seen until the coal supply was about half used up. As for AF the pusher was used mostly on the 293 but is seen on the 282 & 283

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24870	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender

Coal pusher came on 282 (some), 293, 21095, 21099. Any others I forgot?? Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24871	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: old repro coal pushers?

I have some metal coal pushers in my parts inventory. Have never seen a metal coal pusher on a Flyer tender. I suspect these were among the first repro parts ever made for Flyer S, possibly by Gordon's of New Haven. Could they be original Gilbert? Anyone know for sure? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24872	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender

David, MARKER LIGHTS You probably know that you can buy them from Doug Peck along with the jewels. I have done many of my tenders, and even drilled into the high sides of Cabeese, and Observation Car for side mount rear marker lights. I have mounted some atop the boiler as well as on the deck of the front pilots for front markers.They work great without trying wiring in something. Seeya' SteveJay - NASG. On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:23:17 -0800 "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> writes: > It is prototypical, and was one "added feature" to make that > locomotive more > interesting and command a slightly higher price. Note that most > locos with > coal pushers also have marker lights in those two holes at the rear > corners > of the tender. I always wondered what those holes were for, until I > saw one > of the equipped tenders. Now why ACG didn't sell "upgrade kits" so > we could > add them to our tenders is a good mystery! Would have been another, > albeit > small, income stream. > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24873	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender

> Most of the modern stoker equipped engines had these while not > always visable. One example was the NYC Hudson had it but could > not be seen until the coal supply was about half used up. Well this explains why I thought it wasn't prototypical--one usually couldn't see it on the "Real McCoy!" (And here I was about to say I knew NYC locos didn't have 'em!). Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24874	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender

Dear Group, Markers and Jewels are also available here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3122704381&category=480 If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you again. Sincerely, Leonard D Salins P.O. Box 31538 Philadelphia, PA 19147 blueprince@... 800-409-1909 http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howell S Jobbins" <hsjobbins@...> To: <djdewey@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <BeechCrRR@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Coal Pusher on Pacific Tender > David, > MARKER LIGHTS > You probably know that you can buy them from Doug Peck along with the > jewels. I have done many of my tenders, and even drilled into the high > sides of Cabeese, and Observation Car for side mount rear marker lights. > I have mounted some atop the boiler as well as on the deck of the front > pilots for front markers.They work great without trying wiring in > something. > Seeya' SteveJay - NASG. > > On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:23:17 -0800 "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > writes: > > It is prototypical, and was one "added feature" to make that > > locomotive more > > interesting and command a slightly higher price. Note that most > > locos with > > coal pushers also have marker lights in those two holes at the rear > > corners > > of the tender. I always wondered what those holes were for, until I > > saw one > > of the equipped tenders. Now why ACG didn't sell "upgrade kits" so > > we could > > add them to our tenders is a good mystery! Would have been another, > > albeit > > small, income stream. > > S' > > David D. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24875	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Logging Questions...

S Gaugers, We have a vintage log loader (1957) that I have some questions on: . Does the log dump car successfully work with this accessory to place logs back on the loader without any human intervention? We have a button and an outside rail for the log dump car on the set, but the set was missing the dump car and we are thinking of getting one. The 1957 catalog shows the log loader with the car. . When logs are placed on the loader, sometimes a log goes in front of the raisers that lift the log up for the hooks to grab... If there is a log in front, then the hooks hits it and doesn't catch the desired raised log and therefore goes up the lift with empty hooks... is this an original Gilbert design defect or do we need to use different logs - I Don't know if we have the right logs or not.... Also would any one know if it is a design defect, does the MTH model have the same problem? I also saw a post that used thin PVC pipe... does this prevent the problem... Thank You, Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24876	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: spell checker

In our recent discussion on writing magazine articles, several members mentioned using the spell checker in one's word processing program. Well, sometimes that is not enough. There was an article in the NY Times sports section today about a basketball coach and a player who had had a fistfight but have since reconciled. The article described how the player put his arm around the coach's "waste". Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24877	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: spell checker & toy trains on TV....

***((( The article described how the player put his arm around the coach's "waste".))))) Eeeewwwwwww.....that just ain't right!!! On another note,....I was watching a rerun of a rerun of a lawyer show called "The Practice"... I had seen this particular Christmas show before, (I think there were two or three at Christmas time)...and there was a toy train set up on top of some filing cabinets, and a white sheet or snow,...I taped the show today to try to see what type of train it was....scenes with the train in the background went to quick and when I freeze frame it doesn't help much,...BUT, it looks like two-rail track and the loco looks too big for HO and too small for "O" gauge,....and there is a big "O" gauge type water tower. Soooo...I'm gonna say it is "S" gauge !!! I could be wrong though, but until I'm proved wrong...it's "S" !! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24878	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: spell checker

In a message dated 03/18/2003 2:09:31 PM Mountain Standard Time, jarcho@... writes: > There was an article in the NY Times sports section today about a > basketball coach and a player who had had a fistfight but have since > reconciled. The article described how the player put his arm around the > coach's "waste". > > Tom Jarcho > Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech! Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24879	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: Re: Logging Questions...

My vintage log loader will handle a few logs in front of the one being lifted, so it's hard to visualize your problem. Log loaders work well with the old style log car. The modern log car is really designed for smaller logs. I got mine to work by hollowing out logs and inserting balsa plugs to allow the dump mechanism to lift the car floor with logs in place. PVC pipe might also help the dump car. Are you using the right logs? If not sure try some repros which should be the proper diameter. One odd characteristic of both mine and our club's is that any spare logs on the side of the loader behind the lifter (away from the track) pop off the back when the lifter picks one up. Scott Davidson wrote: > > S Gaugers, > > We have a vintage log loader (1957) that I have some questions on: > > . Does the log dump car successfully work with this accessory to place > logs back on the loader without any human intervention? > > We have a button and an outside rail for the log dump car on the set, > but the set was missing the dump car and we are thinking of getting one. > The 1957 catalog shows the log loader with the car. > > . When logs are placed on the loader, sometimes a log goes in front of > the raisers that lift the log up for the hooks to grab... If there is a > log in front, then the hooks hits it and doesn't catch the desired > raised log and therefore goes up the lift with empty hooks... is this an > original Gilbert design defect or do we need to use different logs - I > Don't know if we have the right logs or not.... > > Also would any one know if it is a design defect, does the MTH model > have the same problem? > > I also saw a post that used thin PVC pipe... does this prevent the > problem... > > Thank You, > > Scott Dee > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24880	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: log loader confusion

I think some confusion is happening now as regards the postings today about log loaders. Scott asked about his log loader. He referred to it as "vintage" but he is obviously referring to the later log loader, the 787, which is what was available in 1957. Chuck tried to answer his question, but I believe that Chuck's answer applies to the earlier log loader, the 751. So here goes. No flyer car loading accessory works successfully without "human intervention". They all need a little 5 digit help once in a while. Both log loaders are among the better performing Flyer accessories. Flyer made two completely different log loaders. The older one, the 751 , is a huge tinplate monstrosity that is probably closer to standard gauge than anything. It loads and accepts logs made from 3/4 inch diameter dowel. A loud solenoid lifts (slams) each log up into the loader mechanism, which is based on a large wheel. It works well and is easy to adjust and repair. It works best with the tinplate #714 log dump car which also accepts these thick logs. The later one, the 787, is made on a styrene base with a yellow plastic house on top and has a much more realistic appearance. it loads and accepts logs made from 1/2 inch diameter dowel. It has no solenoid. A double lifter pushed by a cam rises out of the base to lift one log at a time into a position where a double wire hook attached to a travelling overhead crane carriage can pick it up , carry it over a car, and dump it in. It works best with the 914 log dump car, which has a die cast base and a stamped metal platform. The 787 is more work to adjust because more things can go wrong. The cam must be positioned correctly, the string must be exactly the right length, there is a small tab at the end of the boom that can be moved to make the hook dump correctly, and the hook may be bent, like many of us, and need to be reshaped slightly. Most of us have no doubt managed to do it, but sometimes quite a bit of work is involved. I don't mean to make this sound worse than it is -- it is not at all an intimidating task. There is a notorious weak point in the design -- the car lift lever, PA 13A765. This part should be flat but if the carriage jams, the part of the lever that the crank from the gear housing assembly passes through can buckle. Scott, this later log loader works well with the later log dump car. You can dump logs onto it from the front or the back. There are people on this list who can do a better job than myself of explaining to Scott what he needs to do to get his 787 into good working shape. I am more frustrated than fascinated by Flyer accessories. So gents, here is a newcomer who needs a little assistance. Please step in. I am fairly certain that what he needs to know is how to get his 787 working again. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24881	From: Charlie&Edith	Date: 3/18/2003
Subject: 8B Transformer

Greetings to all! Have an 8B transformer with a very sensitive reset button. Brushing the "button", when changing speeds, causes a recycle. Is there a way to desensitize the reset button? Thanks for any suggestions you may have! Best Wishes, Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24882	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Its a 787 (not a Boeing commercial aircraftt!)

S-Gaugers, I am sorry for my poor description of the log loader - The log loader was the 787 with the famous plastic yellow house and I have a 914 log dump car that I purchased recently that I'll try on the set this later this spring... Since we can only dump logs on from the front (loading track side) we may get logs in front of the double lifters... and in fact usually do when we do manual loads unless we are careful... Wish we could dump from back side and keep lifters up - that would alleviate the problem as suggested by an earlier posting... If I have a problem, I'll use a digital camera to replicate the situation and pass on some pictures to illustrate the behavior of the logs in ending up in front (loading track side) of the double lifter which is pushed by a cam to cause it to rise out of the base, but the front logs cause an "empty pick up" by interfering with the hooks reaching down... I'll also check log diameters... maybe a too large diameter is interfering with hooks coming down or maybe hooks need to be gently adjusted (bent) to handle the situation. Thanks, Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24883	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: monorail Disneyland set

Though you guys might enjoy seeing this. Jim Sleeth http://members.aol.com/trainfool/Set.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24884	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: monorail Disneyland set

I have one of these, purchased in Redding, CA when I was a kid. I have the three-car red set with tail fins. I remember the store having a four-car blue set, but I couldn't swing the money for it. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24885	From: Chris Foden	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: 8B Transformer

Hi Charlie, I'd just replace the button...after fifty years-plus of use, it has just become weaker. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Charlie&Edith [mailto:Chancock@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:18 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 8B Transformer Greetings to all! Have an 8B transformer with a very sensitive reset button. Brushing the "button", when changing speeds, causes a recycle. Is there a way to desensitize the reset button? Thanks for any suggestions you may have! Best Wishes, Charlie S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24886	From: Alex	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: spell checker

Say Tom, here's the "last word" on spell checkers. Enjoy! == Alex in Maine ================================================== Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marquees four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a key and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am wrong oar write It shows me strait a weigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee fore two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever wrong. Eye have run this poem threw it I am shore your pleased two no Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew. -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:08 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] spell checker In our recent discussion on writing magazine articles, several members mentioned using the spell checker in one's word processing program. Well, sometimes that is not enough. There was an article in the NY Times sports section today about a basketball coach and a player who had had a fistfight but have since reconciled. The article described how the player put his arm around the coach's "waste". Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24887	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Pilot for 290

My 290 had its pilot broken off years ago. Charlie H., on my behalf, looked through some parts catalogs but could not find a replacement part. Have any of you found such a part? Do you have a suggestion as to how to make one? Or would it be easier to try to locate a complete 290 shell as a replacement? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24888	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Pilot for 290

There is no replacement of this as the pilot is part of the body casting. However I have been able to make a footboard style pilot out of brass angle & other shapes & attach it with 2-56 screws & once it's been painted didn't look too bad, this would also be a good time to mount a drawbar / coupler . Otherwise you will need to look for a replacement body

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24889	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - Limited Edition Southern Crescent Set

Absolutely gorgeous and brand new in the box, this limited edition American Models Southern Crescent(loco #1400) steam set with 5 matching heavyweight cars. Set #46502AC....AC Flyer compatable with chug, whistle, and bell. List price was $699.95. First $600 gets it. Free shipping in the contiguous 48. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24890	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: spell checker

Alex....eye in joy it....it's write....spell checker ms. much...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex" <alexmm@...> To: "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <jarcho@...> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] spell checker > > Say Tom, here's the "last word" on spell checkers. Enjoy! > > == Alex in Maine > > ================================================== > > Eye halve a spelling chequer > It came with my pea sea > It plainly marquees four my revue > Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. > > Eye strike a key and type a word > And weight four it two say > Weather eye am wrong oar write > It shows me strait a weigh. > > As soon as a mist ache is maid > It nose bee fore two long > And eye can put the error rite > Its rare lea ever wrong. > > Eye have run this poem threw it > I am shore your pleased two no > Its letter perfect awl the weigh > My chequer tolled me sew. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:08 PM > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] spell checker > > > In our recent discussion on writing magazine articles, several members > mentioned using the spell checker in one's word processing program. > > Well, sometimes that is not enough. > > There was an article in the NY Times sports section today about a > basketball coach and a player who had had a fistfight but have since > reconciled. The article described how the player put his arm around the > coach's "waste". > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24891	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] More Brass for Sale UPDATE

> >Brass sale update > > Omnicon NYC Painted and lighted Mohawk L3A 4-8-2 $900.00 Test run > only = SOLD > > > >Overland USRA Light Pacific 4-6-2 Painted. Has NYC on it but is easily > >changed. $800.00 Ran very little > > > > > > > >River Raisin NYC H10b 2-8-2 Painted and lettered $1,200 Test run only > > > >Overland NYC Hudson W/ 6 wheel tender Painted and lettered. mint > >condition. $1,000 > > > >R & W 10 ton Sand Tower. Double track $350.00 SOLD > > > >All above in excellent shape. Both in appearance and running. > > > >Shipping Figure 2%. > > > >If interested email me at foley164@... or call 570 622 3413 > > > >John Foley > > > > > > > >To see or post Photos visit > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24892	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: For Sale

Hi Folks I have a real neat set of hand made wood passenger cars for sale. They are painted pullman green with Virginian lettering, easily removed. They are lighted with interiors and passengers, with fully sprung SSL&S 4 & 6 wheel trucks and 802 couplers. 1 Baggage 1 Combine 2 Coaches 1 Observation I don't know who made them, but they are very well done and track well. $600. for all 5, Includes shipping and insurance. I posted photos in the Photo section at the S-Scale website. I can also send photos to you directly if interested. John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24893	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: Pilot for 290

> However I have been able to make a footboard style pilot out of > brass angle & other shapes & attach it with 2-56 screws & once it's > been painted didn't look too bad, this would also be a good time to > mount a drawbar / coupler . Ron, that is an interesting idea. With such a pilot I suppose I can reassign this loco to freight only service. Do you have a photo of your end result? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24894	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Best Transformer to use ?

What is the best transformer/s to use with the Lionel American Flyer engines. I find the original AF transformers tend to produce a rough start to the engines - and do not run them smoothly. Also there seems to be flat spots in the transformer operation - eg. as the engine speeds up, there is a sudden increase in speed (not severe) but enough to make the increase annoying - or start up is slow, stays slow but then increases with a jerk as the voltage is increased. Smooth speed increase or decrease doesnt occur as nicely as I think it should. Doesnt seem to work this way with the old steamers. Now the S Line switcher locomotive I have runs beautifully with the AF transformer - mind you I think it runs on a "scale speed". Im currently using a Flyer 15B transformer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24895	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Transformer

OK fellows, which one is this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3122704084&category=480 I've not seen one with four (4) binding posts. Is it pre WWII, or what? jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24896	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Re: Best Transformer to use ?

Larry, I re-powered an AF 2 track set using 2 Lionel transformers - Model 6-14003. This is the 80 watt Transformer/Controller. If you can, get a new Lionel ZW, the ones I bought look sort of wimpy. I put the originals aside because I got tired of maintaining them. The trains run much smoother with the modern technology and the transformers are virtually maintenance free. I prefer the Lionel modular approach to power: for more power just add more "power bricks" for the higher end transformer models. There is an issue with the power brick phasing that has been addressed in CTT small articles and in the OGR group on the WWW. The transformer box is just a throttle now (mostly empty) and the bricks provide all the real juice. With MTH, the transformer box still houses the main transformer unit. They originally had real UL qualification problems with the case design and the Watts they wanted to pump out, but it was resolved. The AF trains ran much smoother - especially at lower speeds when lining up the cars to the accessories. There is an issue with action cars that you need to be aware of: The Base post current to the flyer track was always on and therefore was available fro use by the metal wheels used on the action cars. The outside pick up shoe picked up the complementary electricity from the pick up rail touched by the shoe. The pick up rail is activated by the action controller button. To use action cars, such as the cow car, we had to leave the Lionel transformer on full, with the engine in "neutral". This is because the Lionel transformer did not power the "Base Post" track connection when the transformer is throttled off. I am usually not a huge Lionel fan, but I think Mike and others (MRC) missed the boat on this one (power). I always prefer modular approaches to expensive equipment to leave me room to grow or shrink depending on the situation. I am mulling over converting some Flyer fix up engines to TMCC (ala Carl Tuvenson) and hope that Lionel uses USB digital connections (the new PC standard) for all its digital control wiring. I suspect this to be true, since Lionel told CTT that it is planning to mix a lot of exciting computer capability in its future TMCC product. I am envious of the new TMCC crane car... I am sure that others in the group have an opinion that may present different views, but I believe that the newer transformers are far superior in performance, safer and more cost effective than the counter part 1950s transformers. Just take off the Lionel sticker and put on a big ole American Flyer sticker from the usual suspects (vendors). Besides, do you really want to listen to that charming humming all the time... Silence is a strange thing... I ran my first engine with an electronic e-unit and kept waiting for the coil noise to guide me... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Larry Asp [mailto:larry.asp@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:47 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Best Transformer to use ? What is the best transformer/s to use with the Lionel American Flyer engines.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24897	From: M.McConnell	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Latest Show News

In case no one has heard it yet, GATS has bought Greenberg's Train Shows (press release - http://corporate.kalmbach.com/kpc/html/pressreleases/gsi/gsi.asp ) Our train club has been a part of the local Greenberg show for many years, back when it was the "Train, Toy and Dollhouse" show. In the last couple of shows, they have refused to sell tables to any dealer that did not deal strictly with trains. In hindsight, it was probably due to the pending sale. It probably will change the way the show handles club layouts though. We'll have to see how things work out. Michael South Jersey S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24898	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: best transformer to use?

This discussion promises to be really interesting if enough guys contribute to it. There is no one type that is best for everyne. That much is clear. There are a bewildering array of choices of locomotive types and power supply types. The trick is to decide which one is right for you. It depends on what type of equipment you run, how you run it, and what kind of layout you run it on. These are my parameters and the factors in my power decision: I only operate Gilbert Flyer and locos I have made with Gilbert mechanisms. No modern locos at all. For this, I am convinced that Gilbert transformers are by far the best thing to use. Their holding voltage is perfect for old Flyer reverse units, which really operate well with them. Their power range matches the demand range of my locos. The base post or common rail system is perfect for action cars. The breakers usually trip as soon as anything goes wrong. I operate the Gilbert system as a system and an deleriously happy with it. Lionel transformers would also work just as well. I am sending Paul Yorke a list to post of which terminal posts in each Lionel transformer model can be used as common posts (the equivalent of base posts), and the variable and fixed voltages that result. This should help those of you who plan to use them. Lionel transformers are very solidly constructed, and offer the advantage of a DC whistle circuit which will activate some railsounds devices. The only thing I do not like about them is that their breakers trip somewhat more slowly than Gilbert breakers. Since I repair my own transformers (and a lot of others too), the fact that they are old is not an issue for me. I also have plenty of spare parts for them. i can see where it might be an issue for someone who doesn't have access to experienced help though. I operate large floor layouts, in which voltage drops in the track are an issue. It is just not possible to have as many feeders to the track as can be done on a permanent layout. I don't run super long trains or triple headed locos, so amps are not an issue. The double turrets are extremely useful to me in my block section wiring, which is almost completely controlled by my track switches. As many transformers as needed may be linked together and easily put in phase with each other. Therefore, for my particular situation, i prefer the 18B, which produces 19 VAC as opposed to the other large turret transformers which usually top out at 17VAC but may produce more amps. Someone who needed more amps than volts would be better off with the 19B or 30B. Someone who wants to run can motor locos with a Flyer turret transformer would prefer a good 15B. Modern systems control loco speed by varying the form of the wave more that the voltage. Certain wave forms, especially pulse power, can cause overheated fields in field would motors such as Gilbert's. You have to be very careful when linking modern power supplies with older units. Some can be linked with older transformers and put in phase, and some cannot. Testing phase has to be done carefully according to the manufacturer's instructions, or the solid state speed control circuits can be toasted. I have no experience operating with modern power suppliesor TMCC, except one very unsatisfactory MRC 027 lemon. I enjoy postings from those who do use these power sources and know about them. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24899	From: Robert Johnson	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: Mac Version of Traintracker

Hello All, I have been waiting for Bang Zoom to release a Mac version of their Traintracker software. After contacting them, I feel they never will. Is there a competing or alternative program for AF Postwar trains which I am not aware of that can do the same thing? Sure would be nice to not have to rely on hand notes or checkmarks and notes in currently available price guides to do this. Any comments or help from the group membership would be appreciated. Thanks. ~~Robert Johnson~~ ~~Rainy California~~

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24900	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 3/19/2003
Subject: AF AC Walkaround Throttle

Hello Friends, I want to thank those who responded to my inquiry about walkaround throttle options for conventional AF trains. Although the MRC tethered units looked like the only real option before, I am now seriously looking at the Lionel(!) TMCC alternatives with real interest. This alternative never would have occurred to me without the information from the S- and Toy-Trains lists. When I said in my original post, "no TMCC for me", I was only speaking about all the command control features available on the new toy trains, and not that I would not consider a product by you-know-who. This may get me thrown off this list, but, although I specialize in AF S gauge trains and I admire them greatly for all the reasons we Gilbert fans will recite to anyone who will listen, I am just a sucker for all toy trains, even the weird three-rail variety. I've never met a toy train item or layout I couldn't like; however, because my wife has other plans for at least a portion of my paycheck, I've agreed to limit the bulk of my collecting to the AF trains of my youth. Thanks again for the support of my favorite hobby. Alan Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24901	From: knockbill	Date: 3/20/2003
Subject: 290 pilot

Hi, I've found that the pilots on some of the plastic engines, (307,303,302 etc), are almost identical to the 290 series bodies... I've gotten junk plastic bodies at train meets for next to nothing, cut off the pilots & attached them to a 290, & 293 that had pilots cut off..... the results are almost un-detectable.... Hope this helps, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24902	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2003
Subject: Best Transformer to use ?

Further to my earlier note, I've attached a link to MRC. Paul <A HREF="http://www.udisco.com/hobbies/inv/MRC.HTM">Click here: Model Rectifier Corporation Train Transformers</A> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24903	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/20/2003
Subject: Re: Transformer

jfred wrote: OK fellows, which one is this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3122704084&category=480 I've not seen one with four (4) binding posts. Is it pre WWII, or what? jfred JFRED: I believe it's a prewar Flyer transformer. It's a model # 1282. The variable posts have voltage ranges of 7-14 volts and 14-22 volts, so I'm not sure how useful it would be to run post-war Flyer locos. There's a fixed 9 volt terminal as well. I have one of these transformers which I bought at York last fall and I use on the higher voltage setting to make those old Flyer switches snap. At the higher voltage setting, care should be taken not to lean on the switch controller for longer than an instant, or the switch coil may fry. Hope this helps. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24904	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2003
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Warning, Warning

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 24905	From: tsbikes	Date: 3/20/2003
Subject: Traintracker on a mac

Hi Robert, You CAN run Traintracker on a Mac. Just get a copy of Virtual PC. This runs all the PC software I want and I can even transfer the files between my Mac and my PC notebook. Traintracker even boots faster on my Mac G3 than the PC. Hope this is helpful, Jim Grimes >>Message: 16 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:01:28 -0000 From: "Robert Johnson" <robt.john@...> Subject: Mac Version of Traintracker Hello All, I have been waiting for Bang Zoom to release a Mac version of their Traintracker software. After contacting them, I feel they never will. Is there a competing or alternative program for AF Postwar trains which I am not aware of that can do the same thing? Sure would be nice to not have to rely on hand notes or checkmarks and notes in currently available price guides to do this. Any comments or help from the group membership would be appreciated. Thanks. ~~Robert Johnson~~ ~~Rainy California~~

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24906	From: finpaul@mindspring.com	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: best transformers to use

Hi all, Here's my transformer situation: I have five AF #2's, but my main transformers are two MTH Z-4000's. I also have the MTH wireless RF controller, which can control the outputs of up to three Z-4000's. Each Z-4000 has two variable outputs and two fixed outputs. I really don't like the modular approach of the new Lionel ZW. I would not be able to tolerate the loose bricks lying all over the place (organization nut I guess). I'm also not impressed that they kept the control box the same size as the old ZW, which means the whole deal takes up twice the space it used to (control box + bricks) and there are now four external cables running to the bricks and one to the wall outlet. I don't run the Z-4000 up to max voltage for my AF or American Models stuff, but one variable output is used to control an O gauge loop so it can go to max voltage over there if necessary. I use the #2's to run a couple of trolley tracks and some accessories like the oil drum loader, coaler and the sawmill. The #2 is certainly my sentimental favorite, but the big MTH boxes are definitely the workhorses. I also have two AF #8B that are not currently in use, but I'm sure I'll find something to do with them shortly. The second Z-4000 put them on the sidelines. Paul Finerty >________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:57:37 -0600 From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> Subject: RE: Best Transformer to use ? Larry, I re-powered an AF 2 track set using 2 Lionel transformers - Model 6-14003. This is the 80 watt Transformer/Controller. If you can, get a new Lionel ZW, the ones I bought look sort of wimpy. I put the originals aside because I got tired of maintaining them. The trains run much smoother with the modern technology and the transformers are virtually maintenance free. I prefer the Lionel modular approach to power: for more power just add more "power bricks" for the higher end transformer models. There is an issue with the power brick phasing that has been addressed in CTT small articles and in the OGR group on the WWW. The transformer box is just a throttle now (mostly empty) and the bricks provide all the real juice. With MTH, the transformer box still houses the main transformer unit. They originally had real UL qualification problems with the case design and the Watts they wanted to pump out, but it was resolved. The AF trains ran much smoother - especially at lower speeds when lining up the cars to the accessories. There is an issue with action cars that you need to be aware of: The Base post current to the flyer track was always on and therefore was available fro use by the metal wheels used on the action cars. The outside pick up shoe picked up the complementary electricity from the pick up rail touched by the shoe. The pick up rail is activated by the action controller button. To use action cars, such as the cow car, we had to leave the Lionel transformer on full, with the engine in "neutral". This is because the Lionel transformer did not power the "Base Post" track connection when the transformer is throttled off. I am usually not a huge Lionel fan, but I think Mike and others (MRC) missed the boat on this one (power). I always prefer modular approaches to expensive equipment to leave me room to grow or shrink depending on the situation. I am mulling over converting some Flyer fix up engines to TMCC (ala Carl Tuvenson) and hope that Lionel uses USB digital connections (the new PC standard) for all its digital control wiring. I suspect this to be true, since Lionel told CTT that it is planning to mix a lot of exciting computer capability in its future TMCC product. I am envious of the new TMCC crane car... I am sure that others in the group have an opinion that may present different views, but I believe that the newer transformers are far superior in performance, safer and more cost effective than the counter part 1950s transformers. Just take off the Lionel sticker and put on a big ole American Flyer sticker from the usual suspects (vendors). Besides, do you really want to listen to that charming humming all the time... Silence is a strange thing... I ran my first engine with an electronic e-unit and kept waiting for the coil noise to guide me... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24907	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 23, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24908	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Best transformers

I like using Gilbert transformers but I've come to realize that there is no single transformer suitable for all uses. Some people like the Gilbert models that go up to 18 or 19 volts because of the snappy action this provides for some accessories. However, this many volts can easily zap AM and SHS electronics. I'd be wary of using a ZW with this equipment. Smoother starts and lower speeds for Flyonel, AM and SHS engines can be attained using the 15 volt post (instead of the transformer's base post) as the base post, and the so-called 7-15 volt post as the variable post, and remembering to have the controller fully on to stop the train, and almost off to get full voltage. It works this way because the voltage difference between the transformer's base post and the variable post ranges from 7 to 15 volts, and the difference in voltage between the variable post and the 15 volt post varies from 8 to 0 volts. With the variable controller almost off so that the base post to variable post voltage difference is 7 volts, the difference between the variable post and the 15 volt post is 15 - 7 or 8 volts. With the speed controller at full speed, the difference between the variable post and the 15 volt post is 0. Thus lower voltages are available for engines that don't need 7 volts to start moving. The only problem is that the full 15 volts is not available to make engines run at a scale 200 - 300 mph as some people seem to enjoy. If you have a transformer that goes to 19 volts with a variable range from 7 to 19 volts, then the range will be 0 to 12 volts, closer to the 15 volts normally available. Many accessories work better at lower voltages than others. For example, remote control switches like higher voltages for the switch motors (solenoids) to operate with a snap, but these higher voltages make the lights in the switch stand housing and on the controller lever box too bright. A separate transformer set to a lower voltage can control the lighting circuits and one set to a higher voltage can power the solenoids. Try running accessories using the variable post of the transformer, and see what voltage is best. You'll probably be able to find two or three unique voltages that are good for all accessories. Set a transformer's variable setting to that voltage, and then run all the accessories that like that particular voltage from that transformer. Use a different transformer set to a different voltage for accessories that like that particular voltage. Enjoy experimenting! Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24909	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: Best transformers

Dear Chris, We have not had any reported zaps to our electronics when used with AF or :"L" ZW or KW transformers. Please do not perpetuate this urban legend. We use 50 volt components on all of our circuits as we know what can happen if you do not. Best regards, Don PS Now DCC is a different story... nyc17819@... wrote: >I like using Gilbert transformers but I've come to realize that there is no >single transformer suitable for all uses. Some people like the Gilbert >models that go up to 18 or 19 volts because of the snappy action this >provides for some accessories. However, this many volts can easily zap AM >and SHS electronics. I'd be wary of using a ZW with this equipment. > >Smoother starts and lower speeds for Flyonel, AM and SHS engines can be >attained using the 15 volt post (instead of the transformer's base post) as >the base post, and the so-called 7-15 volt post as the variable post, and >remembering to have the controller fully on to stop the train, and almost off >to get full voltage. > >It works this way because the voltage difference between the transformer's >base post and the variable post ranges from 7 to 15 volts, and the difference >in voltage between the variable post and the 15 volt post varies from 8 to 0 >volts. With the variable controller almost off so that the base post to >variable post voltage difference is 7 volts, the difference between the >variable post and the 15 volt post is 15 - 7 or 8 volts. With the speed >controller at full speed, the difference between the variable post and the 15 >volt post is 0. Thus lower voltages are available for engines that don't >need 7 volts to start moving. The only problem is that the full 15 volts is >not available to make engines run at a scale 200 - 300 mph as some people >seem to enjoy. If you have a transformer that goes to 19 volts with a >variable range from 7 to 19 volts, then the range will be 0 to 12 volts, >closer to the 15 volts normally available. > >Many accessories work better at lower voltages than others. For example, >remote control switches like higher voltages for the switch motors >(solenoids) to operate with a snap, but these higher voltages make the lights >in the switch stand housing and on the controller lever box too bright. A >separate transformer set to a lower voltage can control the lighting circuits >and one set to a higher voltage can power the solenoids. > >Try running accessories using the variable post of the transformer, and see >what voltage is best. You'll probably be able to find two or three unique >voltages that are good for all accessories. Set a transformer's variable >setting to that voltage, and then run all the accessories that like that >particular voltage from that transformer. Use a different transformer set to >a different voltage for accessories that like that particular voltage. > >Enjoy experimenting! > >Chris Harding > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24910	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: Best transformers

Dear Chris, We have not had any reported zaps to our electronics when used with AF or :"L" ZW or KW transformers. Please do not perpetuate this urban legend. We use a minimu,of 50 volt rated components on all of our circuits as we know what can happen if you do not. Best regards, Don PS Now DCC is a different story... nyc17819@... wrote: >I like using Gilbert transformers but I've come to realize that there is no >single transformer suitable for all uses. Some people like the Gilbert >models that go up to 18 or 19 volts because of the snappy action this >provides for some accessories. However, this many volts can easily zap AM >and SHS electronics. I'd be wary of using a ZW with this equipment. > >Smoother starts and lower speeds for Flyonel, AM and SHS engines can be >attained using the 15 volt post (instead of the transformer's base post) as >the base post, and the so-called 7-15 volt post as the variable post, and >remembering to have the controller fully on to stop the train, and almost off >to get full voltage. > >It works this way because the voltage difference between the transformer's >base post and the variable post ranges from 7 to 15 volts, and the difference >in voltage between the variable post and the 15 volt post varies from 8 to 0 >volts. With the variable controller almost off so that the base post to >variable post voltage difference is 7 volts, the difference between the >variable post and the 15 volt post is 15 - 7 or 8 volts. With the speed >controller at full speed, the difference between the variable post and the 15 >volt post is 0. Thus lower voltages are available for engines that don't >need 7 volts to start moving. The only problem is that the full 15 volts is >not available to make engines run at a scale 200 - 300 mph as some people >seem to enjoy. If you have a transformer that goes to 19 volts with a >variable range from 7 to 19 volts, then the range will be 0 to 12 volts, >closer to the 15 volts normally available. > >Many accessories work better at lower voltages than others. For example, >remote control switches like higher voltages for the switch motors >(solenoids) to operate with a snap, but these higher voltages make the lights >in the switch stand housing and on the controller lever box too bright. A >separate transformer set to a lower voltage can control the lighting circuits >and one set to a higher voltage can power the solenoids. > >Try running accessories using the variable post of the transformer, and see >what voltage is best. You'll probably be able to find two or three unique >voltages that are good for all accessories. Set a transformer's variable >setting to that voltage, and then run all the accessories that like that >particular voltage from that transformer. Use a different transformer set to >a different voltage for accessories that like that particular voltage. > >Enjoy experimenting! > >Chris Harding > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24911	From: Edward G.	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!

Its an age thing (or an Andy Rooney min.)..But I hate the word RARE ..the more I look at e-bay postings and read how people describe things as rare...when anybody who knows that Gilbert like all manufactures PRODUCED items by the thousands ...and NOT in one or twos..Yes there are some items I must admit that are rare ..ie: Track Gang...but Bay window caboose's are not one of them ..or several dozen other things I could list...I wish these used car salemen would stick to their lots ...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24912	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!

I agree... Some people even insist on ordering their steaks that way... Another word is "collectible' ..... a favorite of the old shopping channels... The madness must stop... Scott Dee -----Original Message----- From: Edward G. [mailto:am-flyr@...] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!! Its an age thing (or an Andy Rooney min.)..But I hate the word RARE ..the more I look at e-bay postings and read how people describe things as rare...when anybody who knows that Gilbert like all manufactures PRODUCED items by the thousands ...and NOT in one or twos..Yes there are some items I must admit that are rare ..ie: Track Gang...but Bay window caboose's are not one of them ..or several dozen other things I could list...I wish these used car salemen would stick to their lots ... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24913	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!

Would "hard to find in excellent condition" be acceptable? I need to know, because I have some of those to put on ebay.... Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24914	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!

Heh, we could carry on a thread about "most hated ebay/swap meet term" for months. Besides the ones already mentioned, the word "mint" comes to my mind as one of the most abused. Then there's the phrase: "A MUST for your collection!" in all its annoying variations. And of course: "I'm not a train person, so I don't know...(if I can get many $ for this piece of junk or not.) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24915	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2003
Subject: Re: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!

How about would grade mint if the end or top was there. Would be Mint if the lettering & #'s were readable. Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24916	From: David	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!!

How about: A: A friend told me these are very valuable or rare or very scarce. B: I don't know anything about old trains, but this is a rare or scarce or mint blah blah blah.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24917	From: bente and rance	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: wiring interconnected loops (was layout wiring question)

Hi all: I've enjoyed your answers on electricity and use of same on layouts. I have a problem that might be addressable by you or someone else on the s-trains list. I am in the process setting up a layout with two large, continuously running, interconnected "waterwings", one about 8-10 inches above the other. I will power this with various AF transformers (30B, 12B, 2-8B's, all 110 volt as well as 2-8B's that are 220 V). I have two large 1500 watt transformers to take the 220 V down to 110, but I will use the 2- 220 V 8B's directly from the 220 V available here. As the two waterwings layouts are interconnected, I should have a common rail system. Can I do this with all the transformers, or should I only use only the 110 V transformers? Should I save the 2-8B's for the accessories, making sure that I don't use a pickoff from the track as some accessories do? What other types of problems could I potentially encounter? Any problems with the mismatch of 50 and 60 cycles? I haven't had too much of a problem with the 110's operating AF, SHS, and AM engines on the 1500 W transformer and the 220 volt stuff here. Thanks in advance for all the help (and suggestions) I can get! Regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) jarcho@... wrote: >Phil: Chris Zizzo wrote an excellent long post on electricity called >"Electricity 101" I have emailed you a copy. Enjoy! > >I am not an electronics expert. This stuff took me a long time to >understand myself. But a lot of people ask about it so here goes. > >There is no "neutral" in an AC common rail or base post system. There are >no + and - in AC. Two wires must be connected to each track loop. > >You say you have five loops of track on your layout. You want to power >them with a 30B, an MRC Dual 027, and a 100 watt AF transformer. You have >a total of 5 separate variable outputs from these units. > >If your five loops do not have any TRACK ( and track switches) connecting >them but are just independent loops, then you just have to connect two >wires from the rails in each loop to a separate transformer. > >If any of your loops do have track running between them, then you have to >use a common rail system, at least on any of the loops that are connected >to another loop. > >What this means is: > >1.you have to connect the transformers to the tracks on interconnected >loops in such a manner that the base post rail in one loop runs into the >base post rail in the other loop. > >2. You have to put an insulating track pin ( a flat toothpick will do) or >cut a gap in the rail in the variable voltage connected rail between the >two loops. Then when a train passes from loop to loop. When the locomotive >passes this pin or gap, it changes from being controlled by one transformer >to being controlled by the other transformer. > >3. You have to connect the two transformers' base posts together. This >connection already exists internally between the two base posts inside the >30B (although it is not shown correctly in the factory schematic diagram). > >4. You have to make sure the transformers are "in phase". This is very >important and should not be neglected. (Actually, the term "in phase" may >not be completely correct, but Gilbert used "in phase" in its instruction >book and it has stuck.) You turn both transformers on, connect the base >posts of the two transformers together, and then briefly touch a wire to >the two fixed voltage posts. If you get a large spark, the transformers >are not in phase. If you get a small spark or no spark at all, the >transformers are in phase. Unplug one transformer, rotate its plug 180 >degrees so the plug prongs go into the opposite socket holes than before. >Touch the wire to the two fixed voltage posts again. . Note which plug >position produces the small spark or no spark, and mark the plugs on one >side with paint or nail polish so you can plug them in correctly on >subsequent occasions. > >All this stuff can be found in the later original Gilbert instruction >booklet, They use different wording, of >course. > >If more than two loops are connected together by track, then these rules >apply to all the loops that are connected to each other by track. > >I prefer to test phase using the fixed voltage posts. It can be done by >touching a wire to the variable voltage posts with both transformers at >half speed, but the roller or scraper and the surface of the coil windings >can be damaged by arcing if the variable voltage posts are used for the >test.. > >Alternating current in your house wiring changes direction at 60 cycles a >second. Placing fransformers in phase means that the electricity moves >through all of them in the same direction at the same time. If this is not >done, under certain conditions the transformer outputs will fight each >other and the transformers will overheat. > >IMPORTANT NOTE: I do not think you can link your MRC Dual 027 power pack >in phase with an AF transformer. Most MRC power packs control train speed >by varying the shape of the AC wave form. AF transformers control train >speed by varying the voltage, the pressure the current flows at. You >should read its instructions very carefully or check with MRC before >trying it. > >if you can put your MRC in phase with AF transformers, you have to do it >very carefully. Get the instructions for this from MRC. If you use >the"spark test" which is the quick and dirty way to do it with AF >transformers, you can trash ANY modern power pack's digital control >system. > >Maybe someone who uses MRC 027 power packs will jump in here with some >better information There's one at the bottom of my junk box but I'm too >tired to dig it out. > >I recommend you do the following: if you have two loops that are connected >by track, use the 30B on them with the fiber pin or gap in the variable >voltage post rail between the loops. > >If you have three interconnected loops, use the 30B and the 100 watt unit, >placed in phase with each other. > >If you have two pairs of interconnected loops, use the two outputs of the >30B for one pair of loops and the two outputs of the Dual 027 for the other >pair of interconnected loops. Follow the MRC instructions on how to do >this. > >If four or more loops are connected together by track and switches, >depending on what MRC tells you, you may have to replace the Dual 027 with >Flyer or even Lionel (sorry, Duck) transformers, so you can put all the >transformers in phase with each other and connect all their base posts. I >have done this many times. > >You do have to run two wires to each loop. > >I include all this stuff because, even if your loops are not connected by >track at this time, you may want to run some trackage between some of them >in the future. You should know what would be involved if you did. > >As a safety measure, all your transformers should be plugged into a power >strip that has an on/off switch, so that in case of trouble, you can cut >off power to your entire layout quickly and completely. > >Tom Jarcho >. > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24918	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Track Gang

Guys: I would conservatively grade my Track Gang as excellent - if I had one. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24919	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: 290 pilot

> I've found that the pilots on some of the plastic engines, > (307,303,302 etc), are almost identical to the 290 series bodies... > I've gotten junk plastic bodies at train meets for next to > nothing, > cut off the pilots & attached them to a 290, & 293 that had pilots > cut off..... the results are almost un-detectable.... > Hope this helps, > John So....does anyone out there have such a locomotive shell that you'd be willing to place on the selling block? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24920	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: new stuff?

I sent this to the S-scale list a while back. The December 2002 Mainline Modeler lists several new S scale items, or items usable in S scale: Scenery Unlimited: Swiss Colony Wine Car, harbor tug boat and railroad barge Woodland Scenics: special soft tip tweezers for models with delicate painting or details, starter scenery set Scale Trees: in HO these are 80-100 feet high, still quite large in S scale (Nov. 2002)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24921	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: - AF 24409 Northern Pacific on eBay....

WoW!! I wish I had a case of these to sell!!!! Daddy needs a new truck!! Rick. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3122381300&category=480 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24922	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Log Cars/Log Loader

I have a #714 link coupler 'modern' log car with the black diecast base and gray tipping platform and the original logs that I received as a boy around 1950. The logs are 7/8" dia. x 5-1/2" long hardwood dowels. My #714 car throws the logs off with vigor when activated. The #751 'tinplate monstrosity' log loader from the 1940s and early 1950s handles these logs just fine. I never had a log loader as a boy, and when I got a #751 as an adult I found that the five vertical stops along the backside of the 714 car were not high enough to keep the third log from bouncing off the back of the car when loading it. Thus I reluctantly got and used the yellow #717 log cars on my home and our club layout as Chuck noted. I don't think they look as good as the #714 -- but they work. Incidentally the #751 Log Loader is a real crowd pleaser at train shows. The solenoid that drives the lifter really flings the log up with a satisfyingly loud clunk that makes nearby people jump if they are not watching and sometimes if they are. You usually get a lot of startled smiles when you load that first log. When making reproduction logs for the cars, I found that it took repeated alternating staining with a brown (like dark walnut) and I think a black (tie) stain to get the color of the original Gilbert logs. Just the side of the original logs was stained. The ends were natural -- logs were probably cut to length after the dowels were stained. Incidentally, Winross made a 1/64 scale log truck back in the 1960s which will carry three 3/4" dia. logs. Unfortunately these trucks are rather pricey today, but someone bought the castings to assemble the log trucks at the Winross auction a few years ago. They have offered the log trucks since then at a more reasonable price. In addition Joal makes a 1/50 scale tractor with 'log grabber' on the front that is a perfect fit for the Gilbert 3/4" or 7/8" logs. These make excellent accessories for the "O" gauge #751 'tinplate monstrosity.' Roger Delthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24923	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: #751 Log Loader

The recent thread about log cars/loaders brings me to ask a question that I've had for a while. The green paint on the top deck/frame of my 751 is scratched and chipped and the deck is a little rusty. The rest of the loader looks pretty respectable. In order to repaint it well, the green deck should be removed from the loader, cleaned up, painted separately, and then reattached to the loader. The deck is riveted to the red girder columns on the sides and to the log carrier track at the front and rear. Has anyone disassembled a log loader by removing the rivets and then re-riveting it together? If so, how did you do it? Did you use the short Gilbert reproduction rivets and the Brakeman's Riveter or other parts and tools? Thanks for your help. Roger Delthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24924	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: CTT APOLOGIZES

In the May 2003 issue page #40 is an apology for the 16B Deadman control "ERROR" Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24925	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: CTT BONUS

On Page 78 of the same issue is a story about actor Buster Keaton & his trains. Train of choice.... American Flyer .. Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24926	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: CTT BONUS

***(( On Page 78 of the same issue is a story about actor Buster Keaton & his trains. Train of choice.... American Flyer .. Mike S.)))*** Gosh,....guess I need to get down to the PO and get my copy of CTT !!!! Rick "Laying in the hammock" Evans. PS.....Darn ner 80 degrees in my part of Calif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24927	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: - AF 24409 Northern Pacific on eBay....

What makes it so rare? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 12:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] - AF 24409 Northern Pacific on eBay.... > > WoW!! I wish I had a case of these to sell!!!! > Daddy needs a new truck!! > > Rick. > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3122381300&category=480 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24928	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: "Mint or Rare"

In a message dated 3/22/03 4:45:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:51:03 -0000 > From: "David" <Dave0616@...> > Subject: Re: "RARE"...How I hate that word ..!! > > How about: > > A: A friend told me these are very valuable or rare or very scarce. > > B: I don't know anything about old trains, but this is a rare or > scarce or mint blah blah blah. > > > > I work in a train store once in a while. People call all the time with questions like: I've got these trains, and someone told me that Lionels are worth a lot of money. Can you tell me what they are worth? What do you have? I think they might be Lionels, and the train in the front is black. There are some more trains behind it. What are they worth? Well, I need to know what numbers are on the trains, and what condition they are in. I don't have them here with me. Can't you just give me a rough idea of what they are worth? ARRRRGGGGH! Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24929	From: jackotrains	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: American Models RS 3 #RS3003

I just obtained this EL RS-3 at a terrific price but it is missing the end railing set on one end. Are these parts still available from American Models or does anyone know where I can get a set.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24930	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: steaks

"Some people even insist on ordering their steaks that way..." Scott, how do you like your steak, highly collectible? Tom in Maine MSG NASG TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24931	From: John G	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: wiring interconnected loops (was layout wiring question)

=>Any problems with the mismatch of 50 and 60 cycles? The Norway electric grid where you live operates at 50 cycles compared to the US frequency of 60 cycles. What does this mean? You can probably get by if you limit the voltage to the transformers. Read on for more technical details. I checked my "herd" of transformers and noted that the 8B is rated for 50/60 cycles, while the 15B, 16B, 18B, and 30B are rated for only 60 cycles. Transformers magnetically couple the primary winding to the secondary winding via a core of steel laminations. The amount of core steel needed is greater at lower frequencies and/or higher voltages. So if you operate a 60 cycle transformer at 50 cycles, it may tend to magnetically saturate the core steel resulting in increased current draw and heating of the transformer. One indicator that this is occuring is a louder than normal transformer "hum" or "buzz". I note that your are stepping down your local household power of 220 volts to 110 volts with a step down transformer. I have not personally tried this, but you may be okay if you operate the Flyer transformer at 50 cycles and no more than 110 volts. At 120 volts, it could likely run hot. In summary, make sure the transformers are phased, keep the input voltage on the low side, and keep a close eye on them to make sure they are not running hot. If you hear a very loud humming or smell rotten eggs (the smell of over-heating enamel wire), pull the plug. John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24932	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Re: steaks

Tom, Good one! My steaks and toy trains... Well done Please, as in well designed and well manufactured... I've been bit with a few quality disappointments lately in accessories area... Scott Dee in DFW -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Stoltz [mailto:tstoltz@...] Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 6:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] steaks "Some people even insist on ordering their steaks that way..." Scott, how do you like your steak, highly collectible?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24933	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: test

testing I got bounced for reasons unkown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24934	From: Kielek Family	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: Acceptable Grading for E-bay and get rid of the BULL!

How bout getting EBAY to set guidelines that are in line with TCA grading and recording "negative" feedback for sellers who continue to ABUSE the words Mint,Rare or Like New when really the items look like they have been dragged across the Sahara or are describing a Plasticville telegraph pole. If they do not know the "lingo"they should'nt use it! Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24935	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/22/2003
Subject: acceptable grading

I want no part of anything that has to do with the TCA or their grading "system". TCA's appeal is far from universal. Actually, the wording of item descriptions usually tells you a lot about the seller. All you have to do is read between the lines! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24936	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Swell working Diesel Horn!

First. Thanks to the list members for their help! Got the Diesel Horn working just great! The OUTRAGEOUS raspy harmonics of the reconditioned four pin generator tube/buzzer really do sound like a Diesel! Well, kind of...............!?! Does anybody sell a retrofit for getting a real sounding Diesel horn and start-up/throttle roar? Something that could be used with the good old fashioned A.F. system? Perhaps a separate circuit board and speaker that I could conceal within the scenery of the train layout. Thanks again, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24937	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Events / Links / Websites / Owls

Just a reminder. If you have an upcoming S-related event be sure and submit is as an announcement to S-Scale.org. Use the 'Submit Anouncement' item on the main menu. It will get added to my 'to be approved ' list, and is only one click away from being published on the front page of that site. 'Submit a link' works the same way, it is a link at the end of the 'Web Links' page. If the software does lit like your link add a ? to the end. or send the link to me. This page is an effort to reduce the number of hours I spend on my sites. Computer stuff: If you are looking to start an interactive site I have a great tip for you. The software (phpwebsite as used on S-Scale.org) is being offered in a pre-installed (more or less 'turnkey') by the folks at http://eDigest.com They are very nice to deal with and prices start at $20/year. I suggest you go for the $30 package (more memory) and get them to handle your URL ($9/year) but all in all it is a great deal. And if you don't like it there is no long term commitment. Let me know if you need help. Owl Update: The owls are nesting again this year. We have two healthy owlets, and very attentive parents. I have a few pictures at paulyorke.com '03 owl season' Just remember that if you come in contact with wild animals to respect their space. They can be dangerous. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24938	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Really real smoke fluid?

Having been brought up a half century ago (sigh), I remember well the first sniffs of the delicious fragrance of that little red tube of "smoke fluid" that my father placed into the waiting chimney of our American Flyer locomotive. Very carefully he slit the top of the elongated nozzle and delicately squeezed the contents of the little red tube into the awaiting locomotive, poured through a tiny little aluminum funnel so as to not waste a single drop. Then the power was switched on with the big red lever on the even bigger black box, and then............the engine magically began to puff and huff just like a real steam engine!!~! What a marvel it was! Just watching the locomotive go round and round the tree endlessly puffing smoke!!! Yes, wonderful memories they were! The smell of the engines smoke struck a sensous delight into my little soul. Now, here I am. Many years later. Longing for just one small whiff of that wonderful scent that emanated from the locomotives chimney those many years ago. Realizing that A.C. Gilbert and his factories are long in the past I still had the need to smell the sweet smoke scent I had known in my youth. The old engine did still puff but ever so slightly with that fine smoke aroma. I needed to find a refuel for the chimney so I could savor that sweet smoke scent once more. I tried many of the commercial available scents I could purchase off Ebay. Some were oh so sweet smelling, some reeked of cedar oil, some smelled like a cross between Liquid Wrench and 3'in'one oil!!!! I realize that the little original red tubes of American Flyer smoke fluid are either consumned or have become gel in any tubes that remain. But........I still cannot find a smoke fluid on ebay that is reminescent of the original smell of my youth. Sure, the new stuff smells like cedar, but it is a bit too much cedar. Something is missing in the latest American Flyer replacement Smoke Fluids. They are similar, but there is something missing from the scent of the newer stuff. Can anyone point to a supply of really original American Flyer Smoke Fluid??? Thanks very much, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24939	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: A fine way to start a Sunday morning......

Just found out that I have been suspended from ebay and my auctions canceled!!!! Goooooood morning to me!!! It seems someone listed an item using my seller's name,....so until they figure it out, I'm suspended!!! Go figure!!! I have to wait at least 72 hours before this could be cleared up,....I of course responded to ebay's email as instructed. I'm innocent,..I tell ya!! Get my lawyer on the phone!!!! Hope to be at chat,....if I can get a computer in my jail cell!!! Rick "I don't look good in stripes!" Evans. :^( [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24940	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Ebay Auction

Just Wondering, I have not seen this kind of a posting on a finished item! The item a American Flyer 314AW Whistle Controller Item #3121937810 The auction ended after pretty active bidding. Then it was Posted "Private Auction" and then the bid history went to private auction-- Bidders identites protected. I have never see this type of a finish to a auction item!!! Any comments? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3121937810 Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24941	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: It just gets worse and worse....

Well,....I did a restart on my compter,... and EVERY file in my email is GONE!! Every email is GONE,..everything that I have saved related to emails!!!!! What's next for me today????? Rick "I'm going back to bed!" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24942	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Online railroad videos for free download!

I found a great web site where you can download all kinds of public domain railroad videos in mpg form. This is really neat. Videos are all from the 40s and 50s. http://webdev.archive.org/movies/movieslisting-browse.php?collection=prelinger&cat=Transportation:%20Railroad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24943	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Re: It just gets worse and worse....

In a message dated 03/23/2003 10:16:32 AM Mountain Standard Time, bassflyer@... writes: > Well,....I did a restart on my compter,... > and EVERY file in my email is GONE!! Every email is GONE,..everything that > I have saved related > to emails!!!!! > What's next for me today????? > Well, there was this IRS guy looking for you.......... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24944	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Wanted: 21107 PM Atlantic(s)

Good Morning, It's a beautiful day in Eastern Nebraska:) What I am looking for is one (or more) 21107 pikemaster Atlantics, either version but since I am in Nebraska, the Burlington Version would be nice. Well, I am going back outside to rake the leaves out of my hedge. Thanks, Jeff ps. I am also looking for some L-Flyer Santa Fe cars from 1986 ie, hopper, boxcar J

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24945	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Bessemer & Lake Erie 5 car set

Anyone out there know the value of the 4 car LTI set #6-48613 & the add on car #6-48614 Bessemer And Lake Erie Hoppers? All are new never out of the box & the 4 car set has the 4 car box. Thanks in advance, Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24946	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Rare steaks, trains, etc.

S Gaugers, Rarity is a 1942 Lincoln Continental Cabriolet. (They went out of production for the duration of World War II sometime in February 1942.) Incidentally I would love to own a 1942 Lincoln Continental Cabriolet. Rarity in trains is given by the Reading P7sb Atlantic, on which A.C. Gilbert based his cheapest train sets or the Pennsylvania K5 Pacific. In the first case there were four and in the second two. In fact, as modeled by Gilbert the K5 had only one prototype. [One of the K5s had Caprotti valve gear (Baldwin built) while the other had the Walshaerts valve gear (PRR Altoona Shop built) of Gilbert production.] Rarity in a steak is measured as follows: when you cut a steak the blood doesn't run out, it spurts, and the steer cries out in pain. Now that's a steak! As a Gilbert American Flyer operator and rare steak lover I must say that there are some Flyer items that are at least, relatively rare. The cataloged, but probably otherwise nonexistent, Reading Atlantic bearing the number 299 is one of these items. In addition there were several cars that were "billboards" for department stores and other dealers of Gilbert trains and other toys. The Northern Pacific set, as I understand it, is a relatively rare item. There were also some other lines modeled by Gilbert. (I may be wrong but it sticks in my mind that a MoPac passenger set was built in this genre). As I said before, I love rarity in a steak or automobile, but I DO NOT like rarity in S gauge trains. A.C. Gilbert, as has been pointed out in this thread, built large quantities of most train related items. Thus he kept trains and related equipment at a low price. Unfortunately, Gilbert's philosophy died with him. Everybody seems to think in small production numbers. As a result we see artificially inflated prices on most trains, die cast automobiles, and other items for layouts that one would hardly be tempted to purchase a train set to give to his son or daughter to enjoy. I have seen houses,, stores, and other structures that run $100 or more. Thank you, but I will scratch build my structures. Recognizing this fact, the charlatans will label anything old as rare and post it on eBay that way. Caveat emptor! From an operator's viewpoint I am thankful that I have a large number of Gilbert trains. At the price that S trains are being marketed today I don't think that I will be buying any new S gauge trains. W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24947	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: spam warnings on list email

Every email I get from the S-trains list now has a spam warning. What is up with that? What does it mean in terms of asking my ISP for some spam blocking help? I was thinking of giving them a call, as spam seems to have increased another notch. By the way, please don't tell me to get this program or that program. Not enough memory on this computer for any of them. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24948	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: My email isn't working right

Hi all, I am getting NONE of the email from either group--or any of the groups I subscribe to. Some personal email is getting through. My ISP is checking with their ISP to see what's happening. This seemed to start about the time the war started. Probably a co-incidence. See ya sometime on the web? S' David PS Hope to be on chat tonite, probably arrive an hour late.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24949	From: bente and rance	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Re: It just gets worse and worse....

Rick: The same thing happened to me about 2 weeks ago. Turns out my mail supplier was updating their equipment and that happened. Your information is probably still on your computer. If you haven't done anything, contact me offline and I might be able to help, courtesy of my son who solved my problem. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Rick Evans wrote: >Well,....I did a restart on my compter,... >and EVERY file in my email is GONE!! Every email is GONE,..everything that I have saved related >to emails!!!!! >What's next for me today????? > > >Rick "I'm going back to bed!" Evans. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24950	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: #751 Log Loader

Hi, I received a couple of replies on this unit. I had trouble loading the AF Logs. One reply I received suggested that the loader solenoid must buzz loud (showing that it is functioning right?) This seems right to me because every time the unit buzzes loud!!!---> it picks up the log no problem. I found that the control button could be disassembled. It is perhaps the only one I have that has the internals retained by 2 screws. It seems that all other control buttons have rivets. I found that the 2 springs and the contacts were soiled by carbon (?) I cleaned this up and believe it has made a difference. I think that using lighter logs will also help---as one reply suggested hollowing out the logs. I look forward to using this rugged item. Unfortunately, it has rivets holding the solenoid in place and I am relunctant to tamper with those. Otherwise, I would clean the plunger and its chamber as well. Like AF switches, they are always tarnished and dirty at this age. :-) John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24951	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Re: #751 Log Loader

--- JRKRrdd wrote: > ....One reply I received suggested that the > loader solenoid must buzz loud > (showing that it is functioning right... Hi John, This is VERY true. Mine is so loud that I usually WARN guests when I load logs. They jump if I don't. Sometimes they jump when I do warn them! <g> I use the original logs and have never cleaned the plunger. It also would work better if you had a strong transformer or at least one that wasn't running lots of lights or other things having a constant draw. Regards, Dennis Miami __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24952	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 23, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24953	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Re: #751 Log Loader (Log dia.)

In previous postings someone mentioned that the logs were 3/4" dowel. I measured some of mine and they're actually 13/16" diameter. I recall I made a couple of them from a broom handle that was that 13/16" diameter. They work fine. JRKRrdd@... wrote: > > Hi, > > I received a couple of replies on this unit. I had trouble loading the AF > Logs. One reply I received suggested that the loader solenoid must buzz loud > (showing that it is functioning right?) This seems right to me because every > time the unit buzzes loud!!!---> it picks up the log no problem. I found > that the control button could be disassembled. It is perhaps the only one I > have that has the internals retained by 2 screws. It seems that all other > control buttons have rivets. I found that the 2 springs and the contacts > were soiled by carbon (?) I cleaned this up and believe it has made a > difference. I think that using lighter logs will also help---as one reply > suggested hollowing out the logs. I look forward to using this rugged item. > Unfortunately, it has rivets holding the solenoid in place and I am > relunctant to tamper with those. Otherwise, I would clean the plunger and > its chamber as well. Like AF switches, they are always tarnished and dirty > at this age. :-) > > John R > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24954	From: roninscho9	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: bounced

I don't know what is causing this to happen , but I just checked My YaHoo history & it shows I have been bounced 137 times. I checked with My isp & they are not blocking this traffic. So far I can still post but can't received any messages. Any Idea ? ronnat@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24955	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: AM DRGW GP 35 and SHS Caboose on ebay now

Denver, Rio Grande Western fans I put my DGRW GP 35 American models diesel AC highrail. with box and my DGRW S Helper service caboose with all wheels and box on EBAY starting at $99.99 for both. Its in "S Gauge / other manufacturers or under seller er099 Please read it carefully if interested. I will knock off $5 of the shipping if you mention you saw it on this list. only 4 days to go. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. Yeah, I know I flip-flopped the letters in the title, but after someone bids I cant change it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24956	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/23/2003
Subject: Re: #751 Log Loader (Log diameter)

Chuck, 3/4 = 12/16 vs. 13/16 Is that 1/16 of an inch that relevant as to cause problems... Is the 13/16 or the 3/4 the "official" original size that Gilbert used? I was just wondering.... I am going to try to order some repro logs for a 787, but the dowel idea sounds interesting... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24957	From: bente and rance	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale] backdrops

Hi Gerry (and others on the lists): When you put up the masonite or other thin-board bendable material as backdrop for scenery, did you paint the backside to seal it also? Sounds reasonable to do so. Tx for info. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Gerry Evans wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Andrew and Victoria Baird" <baracing@...> >> >> >>>What do most use for a backdrop? >>> >>> > >ANDREW: >Since my backdrop is only about 24" tall, I use 1/8" masonite which bends >easily. It is attached at the bottom to the facia board on my layout with >dry wall screws. Between pieces, I use an H-shaped plastic channel which >can be bought at Home Depot or most hardware stores. Granted, this does not >provide a totally-smooth surface, and the channels can be seen between the >sections of masonite. However, once painted, the channels tend to blend into >the scene and basicically go unnoticed. This method, dry wall screws and >H-channel, also makes for quick and easy disassembly. The H-channels are >designed to be used with decorative bathroom wall board as binders so they >will probably be located somewhere near the bathroom stuff in a hardware >store. >Gerry Evans >In Flagstaff > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24958	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: #751 Log Loader (Log diameter)

See below: Scott Davidson wrote: > > Chuck, > > 3/4 = 12/16 vs. 13/16 > > Is that 1/16 of an inch that relevant as to cause problems... > That 1/16" could cause the log to fall out of the 751 transport mechanism before reaching the car. I assume repro logs would be the correct 13/16" diameter but can't verify because I have never had to buy any. I used the broom handle and hollowed out their interiors for an extra set for my 9xx log car. The newer style log car wouldn't lift 3 logs until I hollowed the log interiors out and replugged their ends. That car was designed for the small logs as used on the 787. It would always lift 2 logs. The 751 takes sound electrical connections to operate well. > Is the 13/16 or the 3/4 the "official" original size that Gilbert used? > Can't say for sure- I assume 13/16" because my several originals(?) are this size. > I am going to try to order some repro logs for a 787, but the dowel idea > sounds interesting... > Logs for 787 are smaller diameter and I have no experience with them except they worked with my 9xx log car. > Scott Dee > -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24959	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Dulling Repro Rubber Roadbed

A twist to a recent thread about painting original AF rubber roadbed... I recently received some Johnson repro roadbed and it is excellent! The only issue I have is that it is extremely glossy, especially when placed against a piece of original roadbed. I suppose I could paint the repro roadbed flat black but would prefer to paint it with a clear dullcoat. My first attempt with an acrylic spray paint did not work well--the paint stuck and did not crack, however it reduced the gloss only a little or not at all. Does anyone have any suggestions? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24960	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1823

RARE: Am I the only one that wonders why a seller rates his item higher and more rare than the buyer? ha. The TCA grading system is only acceptable to other TCA members. It's easy to join TCA. A person can and will be bared from TCA and meets for misrepresenting an item. Selling a repaint or restored item as an original. Many people have been bared from meets, and club functions. I have purchased many items sight unseen from other TCA members and never been disappointed. My dealings with other REAL train people have been equally pleasant. If the seller would just describe the item by number, describe any damage to the item and not try to guess it's past history, and let the buyer decide how he/she would grade the item. But as we all know sellers are trying to squeeze every last penny out of the item, other wise they would list the item with a "fair" buy it now price. E-BAY BUYER BEWARE Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24961	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: I'm getting closer to get back on eBay...

Ebay called me this a.m....and they want me to change my password...however,..I can't get in with my OLD password!! I am waiting for further instructions. Also,..silly me,...I had mentioned before of charges/auctions on my account that weren't mine,...I checked today, an they were CREDITS,...and they did tell me they credited my account!! Rick "Headin' for parole" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24962	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: spam warnings on list email

Tom (and others) ISPs are trying to filter your emails to identify spam. David Dewey's provider had determined (I suspect) that all 'bulk mail' is spam. The list goes out as bulk mail. I suggest you send your ISP a note and assure them that S-Trains and S-Scale are not SPAM, and to please not block them. --- jarcho@... wrote: > Every email I get from the S-trains list now has a > spam warning. What is > up with that? What does it mean in terms of asking > my ISP for some spam > blocking help? I was thinking of giving them a > call, as spam seems to have > increased another notch. > > By the way, please don't tell me to get this program > or that program. Not > enough memory on this computer for any of them. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24963	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: I'm getting closer to get back on eBay...

***(((Also,..silly me,...I had mentioned before of charges/auctions on my account that weren't mine,...I checked today, an they were CREDITS,...and they did tell me they credited my account!!)))*** I checked again,...and yes, they credited me for the charges on MY auctions (that they cancelled),..as well as charges the WEREN'T mine,...someone DID list some items with my account. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24964	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Train show.

The Baltimore American American Flyer Club set up there module at the show this weekend in Timonium,Md. They will also be set up at Earleigh Heights,Md. March 30th 8:30am. See pictures posted in photos under Baltimore.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24965	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: test dis regard

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 24966	From: ron m	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Are You being Bounced?

First go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups and click on "Email Preferences" and check your status. If hard bounced you can try to clear it by clicking on Status and sending the 'unbounce' command. You'll shortly get a message from YG follow thru in answering it and you should be getting your messages again. Ron Morris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24967	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Loud humming(not in my head)

Hi Guys, everyone ignored my question at chat last night (twice at that) so I'll try here. I have a steam whistle unit that has a loud hum coming through the speaker. I'm thinking the capacitor might be bad? Any ideas? Also, I will be in Knoxville this weekend for the GATS show. Stop in and say hello at the S-Gauge portable Christmas layout. Mostly S-Helper with a couple of flyer steamers. Hey Lance, will you contact me off list please. Thanks everyone, Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24968	From: ron m	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: An interesting bit of trivia

Going through the USPTO files tonight I find that Lionel management has evidently stubbed their toes AGAIN! According to the USPTO the trademark "AMERICAN FLYER" (Registration #906157), "This registration has not been renewed and is considered to be expired." This was effective as of 2002-01-26. (Shades of the IVES trademark.) Ron Morris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24969	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Are You being Bounced?

It is not in the receiver's email, it is at Yahoo. I have switched email boxes 3 times to date trying to get rid of this problem. Works fine for a while, but then everything bounces. I clear the bounce and it works for a couple weeks and starts bouncing again. Jerry Hiett --- On Mon 03/24, ron m rontrain@... wrote: From: ron m [mailto: rontrain@...] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:56:43 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] Are You being Bounced? First go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups and click on "Email Preferences" and check your status. If hard bounced you can try to clear it by clicking on Status and sending the 'unbounce' command. You'll shortly get a message from YG follow thru in answering it and you should be getting your messages again. Ron Morris _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24970	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Are You being Bounced?

SPAM is a big problem but.... I dissagree, in Ron's case , his ISP has identified S-Trains and Yahoo as SPAM. This is not true. I suggest it is the ISP who is at fault for mis-identifying the email, not yahoo. --- theheadliner <theheadliner@...> wrote: > > It is not in the receiver's email, it is at Yahoo. I > have switched email boxes 3 times to date trying to > get rid of this problem. Works fine for a while, but > then everything bounces. I clear the bounce and it > works for a couple weeks and starts bouncing again. > > Jerry Hiett > > > --- On Mon 03/24, ron m rontrain@... > wrote: > From: ron m [mailto: rontrain@...] > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:56:43 -0500 > Subject: [S-Trains] Are You being Bounced? > > First go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups and > click on "Email Preferences" and check your status. > If hard bounced you can try to clear it by clicking > on Status and sending the 'unbounce' command. You'll > shortly get a message from YG follow thru in > answering it and you should be getting your messages > again. Ron Morris > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24971	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Are You being Bounced?

as of this evening My ISP has corrected what ever it was , as it was on their end.& all is workingnow Thanks Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24972	From: littletown kid	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: New to the group

I just join the group. I just wanted to say hi, and that I collect anything that is 1/64. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24973	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Scale] backdrops

bente and rance wrote: > Hi Gerry (and others on the lists): > When you put up the masonite or other thin-board bendable material as > backdrop for scenery, did you paint the backside to seal it also? > Sounds reasonable to do so. Tx for info. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Hello, I used full 4' by 8' sheets of Masonite for my backdrop which is the basement of my house in central Illinois. It was easy to hang and very bendable permitting a flowing backdrop for a rather long distance, which I have never measured, but may be as much as a 100 feet total. I covered the seams (joints?) where the sheets met with plastic drawer lining which was sticky on the back. The drawer lining is about a foot wide and has stayed in place for many years. On rare occasion a short section of an edge bubbled up. A small bit of contact cement fixed that problem "forever". I did not paint or seal the backside of the Masonite, but it probably would have better if I had. Over the course of time there was a tiny bit of expansion and contraction of the Masonite due (to my surprise) changes of humidity so that the edges of the drawer lining became discernable. It is hardly noticeable, but I wish it were not there. Basements in Illinois are subject to great fluctuations of temperature and humidity unless controlled. I thought I had them both under controll, but a humidistat does show flucuations between about 40 and 55 percent with the seasons, despite by best efforts and that is just enough to bring about minute expansion and contraction of the Masonite. Bob Jackson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24974	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Automatic operating cars

Hi Genttlemen: Since people were discussing log loaders I think I should ask some questions. 1. Does anyone use Lionel coal loaders or log loaders with their Af trains? 2. If you do, what problems do you encounter? 3. Are they harder or easier to use than AF? Thanks Will Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24975	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: Loud humming(not in my head)

Chris The Trainnut Burger wrote: >everyone ignored my question at chat last night (twice at that) WELL! I never! The very idea! :^) >I have a steam whistle unit that has a loud hum coming through the >speaker. I'm thinking the capacitor might be bad? Sounds like (sorry) a shorted or very leaky cap alright. If it's the original, I'd replace it anyway. You may be able to get a non- polarized electrolytic cap around 15-25 microfarad at Radio Shack, or any place that sells speaker parts. (Non-P caps are used in speaker crossover networks.) In the meantime, if you wish to run the loco, it would be best to disconnect the speaker so you don't burn it out by leaking AC to it for long periods. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24976	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Re: bounced

Well, my ISP finally fessed up, they have banned Yahoo for spam violations--at least that's their story. When I complained about them doing this without notifying, let alone asking, me, this was their repsonse: "Hi David, I don't notify people because I didn't know, and, of course, it affects a very few number of people on the service. I am not sure it is polite to bother 1000 people with an announcement that affects one person. I know it is a hardship for you though. I am sorry. Eula" And their solution to my problem: "In the meantime, if you want email from yahoo groups I suggest you get a free yahoo address" I find it hard to believe that I am the only user they have recieving Yahoo group emails. So, until this is fixed, I have modified all my Yahoo preferances to "No email." The only way I can read the messages is on the WEB site, so you may not see me around for a bit until I can figure out what to do--like maybe change ISPs. S' David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24977	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/24/2003
Subject: Speaking of spam from Yahoo,....

Since changing my email address (when going cable modem).....I haven't received ANY spam!! Thought they haven't found me yet,.....but happened to think, that when I changed my address at Yahoo,....my preferences had changed, and I believe that was the cause of all of my spam! Who knows,....I can only assume,..and you know what they say about that!! Rick "spam free so far" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24978	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees?

http://www.michtoy.com/MTSCnewSite/newplastic_folder/barzo_folder/barzo.html Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24979	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: bounced

Dear David, I think my ISP is doing the same. But, I know when I have been bounced by Yahoo by getting half as much spam. Don David Dewey wrote: >Well, my ISP finally fessed up, they have banned Yahoo for spam >violations--at least that's their story. When I complained about them >doing this without notifying, let alone asking, me, this was their >repsonse: >"Hi David, I don't notify people because I didn't know, and, of >course, it >affects a very few number of people on the service. I am not sure >it >is polite to bother 1000 people with an announcement that affects >one >person. I know it is a hardship for you though. I am sorry. Eula" > >And their solution to my problem: >"In the meantime, if you want email from yahoo >groups I suggest you get a free yahoo address" > >I find it hard to believe that I am the only user they have recieving >Yahoo group emails. >So, until this is fixed, I have modified all my Yahoo preferances >to "No email." The only way I can read the messages is on the WEB >site, so you may not see me around for a bit until I can figure out >what to do--like maybe change ISPs. >S' >David Dewey > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24980	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: not bounced now

since getting the bounce problem fixed with YaHoo & My isp I have received atleast 200 junk mails, in the last 12 hrs. I guess you can't have it both ways, ie all or none

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24981	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: not bounced now

Ron and all..ONLY 200!!!! I get a least 50 60 a DAY and 50% stuff you would never inquire about...Viag....Groth Stuff...Bank loans..PORN....and on and on.... I am seriously thinking or starting to forward all of the e-mails to my Congressman...Maybe they will get tired of them and put a stop to it...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Inscho" <ronnat@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] not bounced now > since getting the bounce problem fixed with YaHoo & My isp I have received > atleast 200 junk mails, in the last 12 hrs. I guess you can't have it both > ways, ie all or none > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24982	From: David	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Are You being Bounced?

I'm OK here. Always looking to buy old Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24983	From: David	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees?

Well if one were to do a period layout with Franklins and Washingtons a lot of the pioneer figures and canoes etc would fit in nicely. You could always get the French Infantry and have them being chased by a bear or better yet some pioneer girls. Then again you could just run them over with the train.... :) Always looking to buy old Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24984	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Derails

... I received this from a management friend of mine & thought the group might like this Ron STOLEN DERAILS Since January 01, 2003, nine derails have been stolen in the East Texas area. Seven from the Greenville, Texas area, including three from Hunt Yard (DGNO RR), one from the Rubbermaid Plant (DGNO RR), two from Bonus Crop (DGNO RR), and one from the KCS RR yard. One has been stolen from Dalrock Siding (DGNO RR) near Lake Ray Hubbard and one was stolen from Winnsboro, Texas (KCS RR) during the week of March 10, 2003. All of the stolen derails were the portable hinged type. As you know, a derail is a device used to derail a piece of equipment from the railroad track. It is used to protect main lines sidings, branch lines, and industrial leads by preventing equipment from accidentally rolling onto the main rail route from a secondary track. What makes these thefts a bit alarming is the nature and intended use of this equipment. Theft of this equipment is unusual, since it has little value outside of the rail industry and serves no known purpose other than its intended use. The use of derails is strictly controlled by federal regulations and company policy and when not in the hands of an experienced person could be potentially dangerous. Your crews should be advised of these thefts and be on the look out for them while operating their trains. Suggest that you use this notice as part of your job briefings for all of your crews. Have a Safe Day God Bless America Matt Reilly American Short Line and Regional Railroad Assn. 202-585-3434 Fax 202-628-6430 mreilly@... www.aslrra.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24985	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees?

Sorry, I am boycotting anything French these days :-) Tom Jarcho (P.S. For those who don't get it, this is a JOKE. I don not want to introduce a political topic to the list, just a little wry humor.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24986	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees?

Tom...I am with u....Bob Conner (will pay 50.00 for a mint 336 from any frenchman though) ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees? > Sorry, I am boycotting anything French these days :-) > > Tom Jarcho > > (P.S. For those who don't get it, this is a JOKE. I don not want to > introduce a political topic to the list, just a little wry humor.) > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24987	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees?

But whether you were kidding or not, you just DID introduce politics into this list. It is the very thing you railed against someone else doing a couple weeks ago. I would like a REAL monitor to censure you for this. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: jarcho@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Any on seen any of these products that are usable beside trees? Sorry, I am boycotting anything French these days :-) Tom Jarcho (P.S. For those who don't get it, this is a JOKE. I don not want to introduce a political topic to the list, just a little wry humor.) S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24988	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: elevator kit

Does any have any idea where I might find a Building & Structures elevator kit, No. 4023L? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24989	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Any on seen any of these products that are

--- keith kuzma <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:36:24 -0800 (PST) > From: keith kuzma <keefer1_us@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Any on seen any of these > products that are usable beside trees? > To: jarcho@... > CC: > > You should keep ALL your smart comments to > yourself,I > tried to ignore all your New Jersey jokes,but I am > sick > and tired of you deciding what's appropriate on this > list.Keith > --- jarcho@... wrote: > > Sorry, I am boycotting anything French these days > > :-) > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > (P.S. For those who don't get it, this is a JOKE. > > > I don not want to > > introduce a political topic to the list, just a > > little wry humor.) > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24990	From: John A Foley	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24991	From: riechert@pop.phnx.qwest.net	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: Are You being Bounced?

While I haven't had a problem with yahoo mail bouncing as spam (yet), I do have several yahoo mail accounts that I use in addition to my normal ISP. I use a freeware program called YahooPOPs that, when used with my mail program (Netscape 7.01) downloads the Yahoo mail thru their free web access page. Once setup, it looks and works like any other mail account. This might be a solution for those having problems. http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net There is also another site that provides free group access similar to Yahoo tha might be a longer term solution if the groups wants to move to another provider. http://www.smartgroups.com -- Jerry -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24992	From: Don Abrams	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: ebay -- what say you?

Sure looks like a repaint to me. Anyone? --------------------------------------------------------------- >no >-----Original Message----- >From: donabrams@... >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:03 PM >To: rkaulbak@... >Subject: Question for seller -- Item #3122860692 >>Has this engine been repainted? >>Thanks for your time, >>Don >>Title of item: AF 290 LN in wrapper >>Seller: afrails >>Starts: Mar-18-03 19:08:08 PST >>Ends: Mar-25-03 19:08:08 PST >>Price: Currently $80.01 >>To view the item, go to: >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3122860692

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24993	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?

It looks like the paint behind the numbers and letters is a different color then the rest of the paint.Gives the impression to me it was masked off before painting,but maybe the guy just cleaned it alot and was smart enough to stay away from the lettering.I pass.Keefer1 --- Don Abrams <donabrams@...> wrote: > Sure looks like a repaint to me. > Anyone? > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > >no > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: donabrams@... > >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:03 PM > >To: rkaulbak@... > >Subject: Question for seller -- Item #3122860692 > > > >>Has this engine been repainted? > >>Thanks for your time, > >>Don > > >>Title of item: AF 290 LN in wrapper > >>Seller: afrails > >>Starts: Mar-18-03 19:08:08 PST > >>Ends: Mar-25-03 19:08:08 PST > >>Price: Currently $80.01 > >>To view the item, go to: > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3122860692 > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24994	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?

It does look strange around the tender lettering! Is it a decal or masked off like was written up somewhere...cover the letters and numbers with masking and spray...I have a 326 that the previous owner bought it for MINT...Its a repaint!...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Abrams" <donabrams@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] ebay -- what say you? > Sure looks like a repaint to me. > Anyone? > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > >no > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: donabrams@... > >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:03 PM > >To: rkaulbak@... > >Subject: Question for seller -- Item #3122860692 > > > >>Has this engine been repainted? > >>Thanks for your time, > >>Don > > >>Title of item: AF 290 LN in wrapper > >>Seller: afrails > >>Starts: Mar-18-03 19:08:08 PST > >>Ends: Mar-25-03 19:08:08 PST > >>Price: Currently $80.01 > >>To view the item, go to: > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3122860692 > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24995	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: 290 repaint?

> Can't say for sure on the loco but the tender sure is. You can see where the > "American Flyer" was masked off. > > Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24996	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: ACSG Carolinas Division Pictures

To see some pictures of the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers in action in Atlanta, Raleigh, and Charlotte, go to: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album90 Thanks to Paul Yorke for allowing us to post these pictures. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24997	From: michael prell	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ACSG Carolinas Division Pictures

Sir, Like quite a few of my friends these days, I don't get out and around as much as I wish I could. It has been quite a long time since I've had the chance to visit and talk trains and so when ever I have the chance to take a look-see at events like this I can and do well appreciate the time it took to put it together. Thanks! It is appreciated. MLP Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote:To see some pictures of the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers in action in Atlanta, Raleigh, and Charlotte, go to: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album90 Thanks to Paul Yorke for allowing us to post these pictures. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24998	From: rpd5@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: 751 Log Loader - log diameter

Logs that came with a 714 log car around 1950 are 7/8" diameter x 5-1/2" long. I made repro logs from 7/8" diameter birch dowels and they work like a champ with two different 751 log loaders. My 714 log car will throw three solid birch logs into the next county. Maybe Gilbert weakened the later version log cars. Roger Delthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 24999	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?

My observations: I don't think it's a repaint. I think I see some paint loss places. This isn't an endorsement, but I bought something from afrails once - can't remember what it was - but my feedback was very positive. I just recently bought a 2nd 290. It is, IMHO, the easiest loco to rig up for tandem. Timboy ----- Original Message ----- From: robert allen conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Don Abrams Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ebay -- what say you? It does look strange around the tender lettering! Is it a decal or masked off like was written up somewhere...cover the letters and numbers with masking and spray...I have a 326 that the previous owner bought it for MINT...Its a repaint!...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Abrams" <donabrams@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] ebay -- what say you? > Sure looks like a repaint to me. > Anyone? > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > >no > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: donabrams@... > >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:03 PM > >To: rkaulbak@... > >Subject: Question for seller -- Item #3122860692 > > > >>Has this engine been repainted? > >>Thanks for your time, > >>Don > > >>Title of item: AF 290 LN in wrapper > >>Seller: afrails > >>Starts: Mar-18-03 19:08:08 PST > >>Ends: Mar-25-03 19:08:08 PST > >>Price: Currently $80.01 > >>To view the item, go to: > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3122860692 > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25000	From: jayhoo64	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?

The dark areas around the tender lettering don't appear to be straight-edged, they seem to follow the overall contours of the lettering. I don't think that's something on the loco, it could be the typical "shadow" often seen around high contrast areas in photos from early digital cameras. The poor quality of the photo makes it impossible to be sure (from the pic) if the finish is original or not. That's my contribution to the confusion... :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25001	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?

I have also dealt with afrails in the past and have been satisfied,but thats not an endorsement just my experience.Keefer1 --- Tim Brown <Timboy@...> wrote: > My observations: I don't think it's a repaint. I > think I see some paint loss places. This isn't an > endorsement, but I bought something from afrails > once - can't remember what it was - but my feedback > was very positive. > > I just recently bought a 2nd 290. It is, IMHO, the > easiest loco to rig up for tandem. > > Timboy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: robert allen conner > To: ; Don Abrams > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ebay -- what say you? > > > It does look strange around the tender lettering! > Is it a decal or masked > off like was written up somewhere...cover the > letters and numbers with > masking and spray...I have a 326 that the previous > owner bought it for > MINT...Its a repaint!...Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Abrams" <donabrams@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:14 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] ebay -- what say you? > > > > Sure looks like a repaint to me. > > Anyone? > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > >no > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: donabrams@... > > >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:03 PM > > >To: rkaulbak@... > > >Subject: Question for seller -- Item > #3122860692 > > > > > > >>Has this engine been repainted? > > >>Thanks for your time, > > >>Don > > > > >>Title of item: AF 290 LN in wrapper > > >>Seller: afrails > > >>Starts: Mar-18-03 19:08:08 > PST > > >>Ends: Mar-25-03 19:08:08 > PST > > >>Price: Currently $80.01 > > >>To view the item, go to: > > > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3122860692 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25002	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/25/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?

Thats my observation too, it either definetly is or isn't.But with a doubt I wouldn't pay like new price for it.I would rather pass and let somebody else get a deal than take the chance of being burned.Keefer1 --- jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@...> wrote: > The dark areas around the tender lettering don't > appear to be > straight-edged, they seem to follow the overall > contours of the > lettering. I don't think that's something on the > loco, it could be > the typical "shadow" often seen around high contrast > areas in photos > from early digital cameras. The poor quality of the > photo makes it > impossible to be sure (from the pic) if the finish > is original or not. > > That's my contribution to the confusion... :^) > > > Chuck F. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25003	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Make your own spikes

http://www.coslar.us/ties_rails_spikes.html Has anyone done this? Has anyone found a staple size to do this? Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25004	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: detailing underside of over hangs.

I saw an article about using tubing and putting a square peace of plastic at both ends. Then cutting slices. It will not work well with solid tubbing if one could find it. Any ideas. Yes Grant Lines makes these but I need a lot and it would cost more then the building to buy as many as I need. Thanks, Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25005	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: My Helix project.

I have though about using up some of my gragraves track on a Helix because of cost and wooden ties for sound adsorption. I run AF and some scale and hi Rail. Do you think his track might be easier to bend then AM track that I now use? I could just screw the track down. Thanks Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25006	From: David	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- what say you?

No its not repainted, but its also NOT LN either and way over value at current bid of $90. Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25007	From: bente and rance	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: ACSG Carolinas Division Pictures

Hi Joe (and members of the list): Does Pete Hildenbrand have a write up of how he is making the "opening bridge module" shown in these pictures?? Or is he going to have one? I would like to put one in on my layout; I have seen the one in the Benchwork book, but all suggestions on how to do it are gratefully accepted! Rance Velapoldi Joseph Haenn wrote: >To see some pictures of the Carolinas Division of the >Atlantic Coast S Gaugers in action in Atlanta, >Raleigh, and Charlotte, go to: > > >http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album90 > >Thanks to Paul Yorke for allowing us to post these >pictures. > >Joe > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25008	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: (no subject)

- GreetingS - Recently Rance posed a fine question about interconnected loops and how transformers may be wired to them. John provided good comments on 50~ vs 60~ (Hz in modeern lingo) and voltage limits as well as the good notion of reducing supply voltage as frequency is reduced. The coupling of power from primary to secondary thru a magnetic circuit is very important. It means that (assuming no transformer faults) there is no conductive connection between the power line and the terminals from which the train is run. What this really means is that you get to choose which transformer terminal is neutral. Base post is a good choice if only to establish consistency. If you receive plain text (not MassageSoft HTML or something else) this ASCII diagram may make some sense. ____________ )|| )|| )|| 220 V )||( variable )||(<--------------- )||(________________ to track ____________)|| base post ____________ )|| )|| 110 V )||( variable )||(<--------------- ____________)||(________________ to track base post The two base posts may be connected together, perhaps thru the same running rail. This is possible since there is no conductive connection between primary and secondary (power line side and train side). To establish phasing, set the two transformers to about the same, low track voltage with base posts connected. Using clip leads or wire, connect one truck of a lighted car to one variable post, the other truck to the other variable post (having checked that the bulb is good). If it does not glow or only dimly, the transformers are properly phased. It it glows brightly, reverse the line plug on one only. Keep the two or more transformers plugged into the same outlet strip so that they do not have to be phased again next week. Of course, a voltmeter (AC volts range) may be used instead of a lighted car as an indicator. Hope this helpS and cheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25009	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Final Call: Advance Pricing on K-Line S Gauge Cars

My order to K-Line for their new lineup of S gauge cars has to be in by the end of the month. Therefore, this is the final call for the special pre-order price of $17.50 (plus shipping and handling) per car. For this price, a 30 percent deposit or a credit card of record is required. All orders must be received by Saturday, March 29, 2003 to qualify for this pricing. The cars are: K511-001 Ford S Gauge Boxcar K511-002 Timken S Gauge Boxcar K511-003 New Haven S Gauge Boxcar K511-004 MKT S Gauge Boxcar K511-005 Great Northern S Gauge Boxcar K511-006 ATSF S Gauge Boxcar K511-007 New York Central S Gauge Boxcar K511-008 D&RGW S Gauge Boxcar K511-009 B&O S Gauge Boxcar K511-010 L&N S Gauge Boxcar K511-011 Missouri Pacific Eagle S Gauge Boxcar K511-012 PRR S Gauge Boxcar K511-013 Pennsylvania Salt S Gauge Tank Car K511-014 Hooker S Gauge Tank Car K511-015 Texaco Fire Chief S Gauge Tank Car K511-016 Citgo S Gauge Tank Car For pictures of these cars, go to: http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/browse_new_sub.cfm?prdsubtype=S%20Gauge%20Freight%20Cars&prdtype=2003%201st%20Edition&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA90060B0576B82&fldID=A55D2D2C-89A8-11D4-ADAE0060B0576B82 Checks will not be cashed or credit cards billed until shipment. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25010	From: david.avedesian@limbachinc.com	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: James' "My Helix project"

James: The key to making your helix perform better will not be in the ease in which the track can be bent. The key is the rail head height. GarGarves track is the same as AF track which is about 9/16". AM track is 1/4". AM is great than half the height. The reduce track height will result in a much lower %grade in the helix climb. Lower %grade is Very Very Very good. On a 15' perimeter length, 1/2" of rail height is a reduce grade of 0.3%. That does that sound like a lot but it will make a big difference. I have AF track on my layout and used AM track in the helix. I solder the a small section of the AF/ AM track for my joint ends. It has worked well. Hopefully this helps. David ************************************************************************ This e-mail is the property of the Limbach Inc. and/or its relevant affiliate and may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient (s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender and delete all copies of the message. This e-mail (and any attachments hereto) are not intended to be an offer (or an acceptance) and do not create or evidence a binding and enforceable contract betweenLimbach Inc. (or any of its affiliates) and the intended recipient or any other party, and may not be relied on by anyone as the basis of a contract by estoppel or otherwise. Thank you. ************************************************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25011	From: TCS	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: UP licensing agreement

http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/licensing/up_licensee_model.pdf UP has change their form for the licensing agreement, go to url above. Just got off the phone with Brenda Mainwaring and she told me it will be 20% of all my UP related sales. Just something else I have to keep track of. She also said since historical societies are non profit, they will not be affected. Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25012	From: TCS	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement

That is the way I understand it. I think that is hiway robbery. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DavidCofGa@...> To: <mopac@...> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement In a message dated 3/26/2003 4:00:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, mopac@... writes: > 20% of all my UP related sales Tom, Are you saying that their licensing fee is 20 cents on the dollar? David Payne Acworth, Georgia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25013	From: TCS	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: [MOPAC] UP licensing agreement

Well maybe I'm not reading this right, there is an option for a royalty-base sales. I think I need some help on this one. Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals ----- Original Message ----- From: "TCS" <mopac@...> To: <MOPAC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MOPAC] UP licensing agreement That is the way I understand it. 20 cents for every dollar I sell. I think this is Hiway robbery. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25014	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: neutrals and commons

Rhett, If I understand the terminology correctly, there is no neutral in an AC common rail system's secondary wiring. What you can choose is which terminal will be considered the common terminal or base post. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25015	From: TCS	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: [NEWNScaleProducts] Re: UP licensing agreement

Well I got this letter from UP headquarters today and it says: "As described in the attachment, the gross sales-based option assumes that Union Pacific brands comprise at least 20% of your total sales. If Union Pacific brands comprise less than 20% of your sales, you might want to consider the royalty-based option." Like I said, I'm going to need some help here, I'm only a high school graduate. Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bass" <David.Bass@...> To: "TCS" <mopac@...>; <DavidCofGa@...>; <NEWNScaleProducts@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: RE: [NEWNScaleProducts] Re: UP licensing agreement I'm confused. The agreement you linked to said the options were either 3% per product or 0.5% of total sales annually. I'm not sure where the 20% comes from. -----Original Message----- From: TCS [mailto:mopac@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:16 PM To: DavidCofGa@... Subject: [NEWNScaleProducts] Re: UP licensing agreement That is the way I understand it. I think that is hiway robbery. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DavidCofGa@...> To: <mopac@...> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement In a message dated 3/26/2003 4:00:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, mopac@... writes: > 20% of all my UP related sales Tom, Are you saying that their licensing fee is 20 cents on the dollar? David Payne Acworth, Georgia Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1706 043013:HM/A=1508991/R=2/id=noscript/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm /grp/300_06F/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1508991/rand=863683402> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NEWNScaleProducts-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25016	From: TCS	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement

I would like to thank everyone on the above subject, I'm going with option 1. 3% of UP related sales. Which includes MP, SP, DRGW, WP, SWW, MKT, CNW, MSTL, CGW and so many more I can't think of offhand. Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25017	From: Ted Walton	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Receiveing plain text (not MassageSoft HTML) for viewing

My email program (Eudora Pro 4.1) has a button on the tool bar which can be clicked - on to change the email display to plain text format and thus display the lines and characters to form the correct image that the author was trying to illustrate. Whenever I get an email with a bunch of characters that don't line up to make much sense, I click on that button to show the author's intended diagram. You might check your own email program to see if you have a similar button on your tool bar to cycle back and forth with. My button has a "FW" (fixed width) and an eyeglass icon in it. In my program, the email must be displaced to see the button. Ted Walton > From: rtg@... > If you receive plain text (not MassageSoft HTML or something else) this ASCII diagram may make some >sense. > ____________ > )|| > )|| > )|| > 220 V )||( variable > )||(<--------------- > )||(________________ to track > ____________)|| base post > > ____________ > )|| > )|| > 110 V )||( variable > )||(<--------------- > ____________)||(________________ to track > base post > >The two base posts may be connected together, perhaps thru the .... >Hope this helpS and cheerS, > Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25018	From: rkuepper	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Wiring

I plan to have 3 separate operating loops (with blocks). I will need AC track power, AC variable voltage for lights, fixed AC for accessories, and 12vdc for some accessories. Can I use the same common wire loop for all the AC wiring, or for any combination of the AC wiring? For example, I plan to use black and white for track power; if white is common (neutral), can I also hook the AC accessories to it (with separate "hot")? How about the lights? Thanks. Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25019	From: mdg312003	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: Re: An interesting bit of trivia - NOT QUITE !!!

Yes, you are indeed correct. However the catch - the USPTO is about 11 months behind. After much research myself, I have found that their TARR system does not indicate pending status. While I have foolishly wasted $325.00, I have found the hard way that there is a pending trademark, filed some time ago. I hope you all get to read this bit of info before someone makes the same mistake I did. Save your money !! :) Mike --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ron m <rontrain@p...> wrote: > Going through the USPTO files tonight I find that Lionel management has > evidently stubbed their toes AGAIN! > > According to the USPTO the trademark "AMERICAN FLYER" (Registration > #906157), "This registration has not been renewed and is considered to be > expired." This was effective as of 2002-01-26. > > (Shades of the IVES trademark.) > > Ron Morris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25020	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/26/2003
Subject: yakfat or neutral?

Chris Zizzo must be ROFL. At least. You can designate a common, or base post, as a neutral if you so desire. You could also call it a yakfat, because it is as much a yakfat as it is a neutral. A neutral is a return wire to the center tap of a stepdown transformer. It is called a neutral because it is not biased toward either end tap of the transformer. There are usually no two points that a common or common rail system common connection will be neutral between because A common, or base post, is a collection of one end tap from each of several transformer secondaries, linked together . Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25021	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: The Buster Keaton article in CTT....

For those that haven't read the article,..it tells of Buster Keaton using his American Flyer trains to serve snacks/food/condiments,.. to his guests out on the patio. The Keaton article really brought to mind an old memory of mine from my youth...I remember my dad taking me to a diner in the near by town of Paso Robles, Calif.....and they had a toy train (probably "O") that went up and down the counter,..loaded with donuts! I think it was before I received my AF trains when I was seven,..I was pretty young!! I used the idea a few years back at a Super Bowl party,...just a small straight section of track on my bar in the den,...and I ran a AF Atlantic with a few gondolas full of candy back and forth. Any other stories out there of food served with toy trains??? OK,...not served WITH,....but ON !!!! Rick "Wish I had a donut now" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25022	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: 2) DH83FX 2 AMP decoders for sale

Hi All, I have 2 new Digitrax DH83FX decoders for sale. I think I bought 1 from a hobby shop, and the other from Ebay. They have never been used or tested. I have no way of testing them so all sales are final. The last closed auctions on Ebay were $19.50 and $28.45, so shoot somewhere in the middle and you will keep these from going on Ebay on Sunday. My little email auction here ends tomorrow night at 6:00. Please reply to billlane@..., because I do not receive email from most of my Yahoo groups. Thanks Bill --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25023	From: Alex	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: RR for food

There used to be a place called Choo-Choo Express in Huntington, Long Island, New York. I went there in the late 1950s, but it was still operational into the late 1960s, or perhaps even later. They used O gauge three-railers to deliver the hamburgers to patrons seated at the diner-style counter. Alex in Maine -----Original Message----- From: Rick Evans [mailto:bassflyer@...] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:38 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] The Buster Keaton article in CTT.... For those that haven't read the article,..it tells of Buster Keaton using his American Flyer trains to serve snacks/food/condiments,.. to his guests out on the patio. The Keaton article really brought to mind an old memory of mine from my youth...I remember my dad taking me to a diner in the near by town of Paso Robles, Calif.....and they had a toy train (probably "O") that went up and down the counter,..loaded with donuts! I think it was before I received my AF trains when I was seven,..I was pretty young!! I used the idea a few years back at a Super Bowl party,...just a small straight section of track on my bar in the den,...and I ran a AF Atlantic with a few gondolas full of candy back and forth. Any other stories out there of food served with toy trains??? OK,...not served WITH,....but ON !!!! Rick "Wish I had a donut now" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25024	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: RR for food

Yes...when I was in Seattle in 85 and again in 89 I took my wife to a small resturant down town....They delivered your food on "G" trains.I remember one time it was going down the the room and as it turned the corner at the window....It was going too fast and dumped its whole load on food and full beer mugs....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex" <alexmm@...> To: "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RR for food > There used to be a place called Choo-Choo Express in Huntington, Long > Island, New York. I went there in the late 1950s, but it was still > operational into the late 1960s, or perhaps even later. They used O gauge > three-railers to deliver the hamburgers to patrons seated at the diner-style > counter. > > Alex in Maine > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Evans [mailto:bassflyer@...] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:38 AM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] The Buster Keaton article in CTT.... > > > For those that haven't read the article,..it tells of Buster Keaton > using his American Flyer > trains to serve snacks/food/condiments,.. to his guests out on the patio. > The Keaton article really brought to mind an old memory of mine from > my youth...I remember my dad > taking me to a diner in the near by town of Paso Robles, Calif.....and they > had a toy train (probably "O") that went up and down the counter,..loaded > with donuts! I think it was before I received my AF trains when I was > seven,..I was pretty young!! > I used the idea a few years back at a Super Bowl party,...just a > small straight section of track on my bar in the den,...and I ran a > AF Atlantic with a few gondolas full of candy back and forth. > > Any other stories out there of food served with toy trains??? > OK,...not served WITH,....but ON !!!! > > > Rick "Wish I had a donut now" Evans. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25025	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: rr for booze

I understand there was an episode of a Jackie Gleason TV show in which Jackie had a bar setup that delivered drinks with a Lionel train. Supposedly, he quipped "Booze goes swell with Lionel" and the Lionel publicity dep't got all upset. I think it was a great system . After a while, you wouldn't even notice that third rail any more. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25026	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Think what ya want about moderators.....

I posted last night to the "toy train" list ,the same time I posted with S-trains.....actually EARLY Thursday morning (about 12:30 a.m. Calif. time),.....and at 9:30 a.m. Calif time,...STILL no new posts, including mine at "toy trains"......I like the way here at S-Trains,....posts/emails zing right to the list,....and not have to wait due to a moderator (SP?) !!!! Just my 2-cents!! Rick "Still suspended from eBay" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25027	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1827

Has anyone on the list have a electronic tube subitute for the # 14 Electronic Rectiformer tube # 1237, A.F part # PA10830. I have looked thru all of my electronic tube books with no sucess. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25028	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1827

If I remember right this tube was made by Sylvania for Gilbert & did not have any other use & therefor no substitute that I am aware of.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25029	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: #1237 Tube

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 25030	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1828

There is a chain of pizza resturants here in Indiana, called Pizza King, that uses G scale trains to deliver drinks to the booths. Vic Bereskin > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:38:27 -0800 > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > Subject: The Buster Keaton article in CTT.... > > For those that haven't read the article,..it tells of Buster Keaton using his American Flyer > trains to serve snacks/food/condiments,.. to his guests out on the patio. > The Keaton article really brought to mind an old memory of mine from my youth...I remember my dad > taking me to a diner in the near by town of Paso Robles, Calif.....and they had a toy train (probably "O") that went up and down the counter,..loaded with donuts! I think it was before I received my AF trains when I was seven,..I was pretty young!! > I used the idea a few years back at a Super Bowl party,...just a small straight section of track on my bar in the den,...and I ran a > AF Atlantic with a few gondolas full of candy back and forth. > > Any other stories out there of food served with toy trains??? OK,...not served WITH,....but ON !!!! > > > Rick "Wish I had a donut now" Evans. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25031	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: ertl

The ERTL Mack B came out several years ago. I bought 2 immediately. They are lovely, and appear to be dead on S scale. Good likelihood that the other ERTL truck is also accurate S scale. http://trainweb.org/mhrr/mhrreast/vehicles4a.html See bottom of page. Ted >>>>It features four Mack tractor trailers with John Deere payloads on them plus varied crates and stuff at $39.95 an issue. Two Mack trucks are vintage 50's - 60's [B-61 Anyway, has anyone purchased these? Are they 1/64th scale? As they are Ertle, I'm assuming 1/64th? Bill Fraley<<<< ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25032	From: nasglibrary	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Mobley Library vacation

All -- The Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from March 28 through April 4, 2003, because the Librarian will be on vacation. Dick Karnes, Librarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25033	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1828

In a message dated 3/27/03 3:18:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1827 > Jerry, I can't help you personally on the tube in question, but I found some tubes from a company named Antique Electronic Supply. The website address is <A HREF="http://www.tubesandmore.com"> http://www.tubesandmore.com</A>. I hope this helps. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25034	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: Open House/ more SHS Blatant commercialism

Today we unloaded the container with panel side and the 2nd run of composite hoppers. These can be seen and ordered on line at: single panel side hoppers http://www.showcaseline.com/SidePanelHoppers/sidepanelhoppers_in_stock.html Panel side hoppers three car sets http://www.showcaseline.com/SidePanelHoppers/sidepanelhoppers3carssets_in_stock.html single composite hoppers http://www.showcaseline.com/CompositeHoppers/compositehoppers_in_stock.html three car sets http://www.showcaseline.com/CompositeHoppers/compositehoppers3carssets_in_stock.html Re: SHS Open House - March 28th & 29th Friday hours 11 AM to 7 PM Saturday hours 10 AM to 5 PM Directions - Take Garden State Parkway to exit 120. Turn right on to Matawan Road. Next light (Exxon on Right), turn left on to Cliffwood Ave. Go back over the GS Parkway. See Church on Right, our complex (Aberdeen Business Park) driveway is next right. Go around right of building. We are the last three units, Suite 7C, 7D & 8. Parking may be tight on Friday. You can only park in spots for our units as we all own our parking spaces. Park in Church Parking lot. Do not block rectory. Saturday park anywhere in the complex and not in the church lot. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25035	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: 1237 power tube

This tube is not only the rectifier but also contains the circuit breaker (when tripped it makes a real neat purple flash!!!) I have checked My old tube manuals & they confirm that this tube has no replacement , & as I said before it was made by Sylvania for Gilbert, to be used for this application only & had no industrial or military use as most special tubes do.other than a lucky find in old train stuff this tube will be hard to find.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25036	From: Al Reibel	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Prewar Flyer?

Can anyone recommend sources of information, parts, etc for Pre war Gilbert Flyer? I have a BBL (Big Beautiful Locomotive- an 806?) I'm trying to nurse back to health. Thanks, Al Reibel

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25037	From: starr4274	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: 342-343-346 A.F. switcher parts

Greetings, Does anyone have an original boiler front with clip and light socket for a 342-343-346 switcher for sale? I would be interested in any other parts for one of these you might have. I am also looking for parts for, or a rebuildable 4-8-4 A.F. engine. You may contact me at, starr007@.... Thanks, J.R. Starr

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25038	From: eric.reis	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Re: RR for food

The "Iron Horse Restaurant" was sold and the trains liquidated a number of years ago. There was a website with the trains for sale on it a few years ago. It was in the Pioneer Square area across the street from the King Street Station (old GN/NP, now Amtrack and commuter trains) and Kingdome, now replaced with Seahawks stadium. When I was in Maine in the mid 80's I remember driving out to a railroad museum (I think in Bath, Maine) and was surprised to see a very well repainted great northern passenger car used as a terminal for one end of the tourist line. Is that still located as such. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:35 AM To: alexmm@...; S-Trains (E-mail) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RR for food Yes...when I was in Seattle in 85 and again in 89 I took my wife to a small resturant down town....They delivered your food on "G" trains.I remember one time it was going down the the room and as it turned the corner at the window....It was going too fast and dumped its whole load on food and full beer mugs....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex" <alexmm@...> To: "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RR for food > There used to be a place called Choo-Choo Express in Huntington, Long > Island, New York. I went there in the late 1950s, but it was still > operational into the late 1960s, or perhaps even later. They used O gauge > three-railers to deliver the hamburgers to patrons seated at the diner-style > counter. > > Alex in Maine > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Evans [mailto:bassflyer@...] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:38 AM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] The Buster Keaton article in CTT.... > > > For those that haven't read the article,..it tells of Buster Keaton > using his American Flyer > trains to serve snacks/food/condiments,.. to his guests out on the patio. > The Keaton article really brought to mind an old memory of mine from > my youth...I remember my dad > taking me to a diner in the near by town of Paso Robles, Calif.....and they > had a toy train (probably "O") that went up and down the counter,..loaded > with donuts! I think it was before I received my AF trains when I was > seven,..I was pretty young!! > I used the idea a few years back at a Super Bowl party,...just a > small straight section of track on my bar in the den,...and I ran a > AF Atlantic with a few gondolas full of candy back and forth. > > Any other stories out there of food served with toy trains??? > OK,...not served WITH,....but ON !!!! > > > Rick "Wish I had a donut now" Evans. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25039	From: waldootten	Date: 3/27/2003
Subject: Food delivered by trains

I once tried to serve hot dogs at a party using an AF log loader to place them on open buns on flatcars. Never had to oil the thing again. ;-) Seriously, the railroad stuff-decorated Choo Choo Restaurant in Des Plaines, Illinois caters to railroad junkies by delivering food to tables using model trains. Don't know what gauge, as I haven't been there yet. But I have heard a lot of nice things about it. Phil K _____________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > For those that haven't read the article,..it tells of Buster Keaton using his American Flyer > trains to serve snacks/food/condiments,.. to his guests out on the patio. > The Keaton article really brought to mind an old memory of mine from my youth...I remember my dad > taking me to a diner in the near by town of Paso Robles, Calif.....and they had a toy train (probably "O") that went up and down the counter,..loaded with donuts! I think it was before I received my AF trains when I was seven,..I was pretty young!! > I used the idea a few years back at a Super Bowl party,...just a small straight section of track on my bar in the den,...and I ran a > AF Atlantic with a few gondolas full of candy back and forth. > > Any other stories out there of food served with toy trains??? OK,...not served WITH,....but ON !!!! > > > Rick "Wish I had a donut now" Evans. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25040	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: not bounced now

Ron, I HOPE you do not forward to congressman. Have you ever seen an action that did not force a government OVER-reaction????? The government already is looking for ways to tax and control the internet, please don't help them. Spam is disgusting here also. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25041	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - More

A few more SHS new in the box items. $30 each including shipping in the contiguous 48. Lots of new American Flyer items on the new list (to be posted next week)at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com 00050 UP Stock car #49001 00151 MKT stock car 00054 Chicago NW Stock car #14252 00412 PS-2 CB&Q black hopper 00413 PS-2 Jack Frost #1 hopper ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25042	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Track Wiring 101

I was talking to a coworker about wiring my mainline using bus wires, feeder wires and soldering right to the rails. He suggested running the heavier gauge wire from the transformer to a bus bar (assume located in roughly the center of the layout) and then run the lighter gauge wires from the bus bar to the various track locations. Is this a good idea or is this "old school?" It seems like this would be an easier way to wire things but would one lose power along the more lengthy feeder wires? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25043	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Trains Community - Trip Reports - File 217

http://communities.prodigy.net/trains/ttrip217.htm Phil and all, I did a search for the Choo Choo Restaurant in Des Plaines, IL and found this description of it, with pictures of the "O" gauge trains delivering food. I guess "S" is too small for that purpose, but heck, let them ruin those O gauge trains with food! O:)! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25044	From: Alex	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] RR for food

The beautifully restored rail car terminal was part of a small model railroad club in Arundel, Maine. Up until a few years ago it was at the proposed northern terminus of the trolley museum's right-of-way. I notice that the club no longer hangs its shingle out, but I'll have to stop by there one day and see what's going on. The Shay locomotive is still on display, though, right at Route 1 in Arundel. Alex in Maine .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: eric.reis [mailto:finnhill@...] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:07 AM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com; robert allen conner Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RR for food The "Iron Horse Restaurant" was sold and the trains liquidated a number of years ago. There was a website with the trains for sale on it a few years ago. It was in the Pioneer Square area across the street from the King Street Station (old GN/NP, now Amtrack and commuter ..............

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25045	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: RR for food

Eric...thats right..."Iron Horse"...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "eric.reis" <finnhill@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RR for food > The "Iron Horse Restaurant" was sold and the trains liquidated a number of > years ago. There was a website with the trains for sale on it a few years > ago. It was in the Pioneer Square area across the street from the King > Street Station (old GN/NP, now Amtrack and commuter trains) and Kingdome, > now replaced with Seahawks stadium. > > When I was in Maine in the mid 80's I remember driving out to a railroad > museum (I think in Bath, Maine) and was surprised to see a very well > repainted great northern passenger car used as a terminal for one end of the > tourist line. Is that still located as such. > > Eric Reis > Kenmore, Wa > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:35 AM > To: alexmm@...; S-Trains (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RR for food > > > Yes...when I was in Seattle in 85 and again in 89 I took my wife to a small > resturant down town....They delivered your food on "G" trains.I remember one > time it was going down the the room and as it turned the corner at the > window....It was going too fast and dumped its whole load on food and full > beer mugs....Bob Conner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex" <alexmm@...> > To: "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:27 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] RR for food > > > > There used to be a place called Choo-Choo Express in Huntington, Long > > Island, New York. I went there in the late 1950s, but it was still > > operational into the late 1960s, or perhaps even later. They used O gauge > > three-railers to deliver the hamburgers to patrons seated at the > diner-style > > counter. > > > > Alex in Maine > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rick Evans [mailto:bassflyer@...] > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:38 AM > > To: S-Trains > > Subject: [S-Trains] The Buster Keaton article in CTT.... > > > > > > For those that haven't read the article,..it tells of Buster Keaton > > using his American Flyer > > trains to serve snacks/food/condiments,.. to his guests out on the patio. > > The Keaton article really brought to mind an old memory of mine > from > > my youth...I remember my dad > > taking me to a diner in the near by town of Paso Robles, Calif.....and > they > > had a toy train (probably "O") that went up and down the counter,..loaded > > with donuts! I think it was before I received my AF trains when I was > > seven,..I was pretty young!! > > I used the idea a few years back at a Super Bowl party,...just a > > small straight section of track on my bar in the den,...and I ran a > > AF Atlantic with a few gondolas full of candy back and forth. > > > > Any other stories out there of food served with toy trains??? > > OK,...not served WITH,....but ON !!!! > > > > > > Rick "Wish I had a donut now" Evans. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25046	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Train food

Hi all, Fritz's Railroad Restaurant in Kansas City, Kansas has been serving food on an elevated sorta-kinda-railroad for 30 years or so. The "engine" and rolling stock don't really resemble any railroad. The whole operation is strictly functional, but extremely popular, especially with the youngins' When Fritz's opened a second location at Crown Center, in Kansas City, Missouri, across the street from Union Station, they kept the same type of train to deliver the food, but added an O gauge dog leg loop around the perimeter, behind glass. Had too many problems with that setup, so now it is G gauge. The restaurant seems to always be busy. They give out card stock engineer hats to the kids. But the food is some of the worst I have ever eaten. Probably would taste better if the trains were S... Cheers, Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25047	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - More/ALL GONE

All sold. Thanks. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25048	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Track Wiring 101

Hi, According to Model RR mags I've read, there are two methods of wiring. One is the "star", the other name escapes me, but if I remember correctly, in the "star" method, you run a heavy wire to a central point, then take feeder wires of a lesser gauge off that. What I've done on my layout it to use 14 gauge stranded wire to make a run to the end of a particular block, then take 16 gauge feeder wires up off that every few sections to the rest of the track in that block. All wire connections are soldered. I wire each block the same way. For the base post (common rail), one 14 gauge wire runs all around with 16 gauge wires coming down to it every few sections. No run of 16 gauge wire is ever more than a couple feet on my layout. All the base posts of all my transformers are connected and all my transformers are in phase with each other. Some may consider my wire gauge and method "overkill", but I do not notice any voltage drop anywhere on my layout using this method. Actually, you could use 12 gauge wire, but it would be too cumbersome, IMHO. However, the use of feeder wires can defeat the built-in block control system in vintage Flyer switches. Then you have to make a decision; is the siding long enough that you really need feeder wires, or do you want the switch to act as a block control device instead. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: beechcricker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Track Wiring 101 I was talking to a coworker about wiring my mainline using bus wires, feeder wires and soldering right to the rails. He suggested running the heavier gauge wire from the transformer to a bus bar (assume located in roughly the center of the layout) and then run the lighter gauge wires from the bus bar to the various track locations. Is this a good idea or is this "old school?" It seems like this would be an easier way to wire things but would one lose power along the more lengthy feeder wires? Jeff Feldmeier S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25049	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: I'm getting upset with eBay...!!

Well,...This is day six of my eBay suspension!! No reply from them in three days!! I went to my page at eBay and now it is totally gone!! Says "no such user",...before it said "Non registered User". This is getting old fast!! I certainly hope when this is all figured out, I do not loose my feedback numbers!! I don't mind changing my seller's handle or password,...but I don't want to loose my feedbacks!! I sent eBay an email yesterday,...I might send another today. I haven't even looked at any Flyer auctions due to I can't bid anyway!!! It has cut down on my computer time though!! Rick "Send me some Flyer" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25050	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Track Wiring 101

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Brown" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > However, the use of feeder wires can defeat the built-in block control system in vintage Flyer switches. Then you have to make a decision; is the siding long enough that you really need feeder wires, or do you want the switch to act as a block control device instead. > In the case of a long siding, you could always run a heavy gage jumper from near the switch (siding side, of course) to the end of the siding to prevent excessive voltage drop. With regard to star or bus wiring, I plan to wire my layout with "bus" wiring with probably 14 or 16 gage wire loops under each track circuit and lighter gage feeder wire takeoffs going up to the track. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25051	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: I'm getting upset with eBay...!!

BETTER RUSH..THERES A 356 UP TO 688 (WITH SCRATCH ON STEAM CHEST) AND A 336 AT 850...YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS OUT...BOB CONNER ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I'm getting upset with eBay...!! > Well,...This is day six of my eBay suspension!! No reply from them in three days!! I went to my page at > eBay and now it is totally gone!! Says "no such user",...before it said "Non registered User". This is getting old > fast!! I certainly hope when this is all figured out, I do not loose my feedback numbers!! I don't mind changing > my seller's handle or password,...but I don't want to loose my feedbacks!! > > I sent eBay an email yesterday,...I might send another today. I haven't even looked at any Flyer auctions > due to I can't bid anyway!!! It has cut down on my computer time though!! > > Rick "Send me some Flyer" Evans. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25052	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Toy Trains - Food for Thought - Snap, Crackle, Pop...

S-Gaugers, On Captain Kangaroo - a popular children's show during the 1960's they would have live advertisements for Lionel and Gilbert trains... For a Rice Krispies promotional that indicated show sponsorship - a simple coal tower would pour Rice Kripsies into a waiting hopper car while the voice over said that it was a sponsor of the show... Did any of you recall seeing this? The shown would have the captain be involved in promoting products himself during the show rather than always breaking to a separate taped commercial.... I do remember that American Flyer trains would occasionally be on the show around holiday time and display layouts would be run while the captain promoted the product... I also remember Schwinn bikes were a big item that was marketed live on the show... Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25053	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: #1237

Reference to the #1237 tube. Tom Barkers AF repair Manual page 32-34 refers to a 117P7 tube used in the #710 Electronic Whistle Control and Greensbergs American Flyer Numerical Parts List by Wullenweber shows that part # PA10830 is a 117P7 or 117N7 Rectifer Tube. There is no reference to the #1237 number in the parts list. Maybe it is possible that in Gilberts frugality that the tubes may be the same ? A schematic using the tube is on page 33 of Barkers book hope this helps. Al ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25054	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: #1237

Since Mark Preman has a NOS #1237 maybe he could shed some light on this tube, if he can find any other markings ? AL <amerflyer@...> wrote Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:40:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Preman <amerflyer@...> Subject: #1237 Tube Your list sponsor has one (NOS) left on the list at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25055	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: #1237

No way these tubes are the same ! the 1237 is a full wave rectifier with a circuit breaker & the 117 is a half wave rectifier with maybe an amplifier . Do not try to interchange these otherwise damage could result to your equipment

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25056	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: wiring 201

If voltage drop is a concern, in terms of the ongoing discussion about bus wiring, there is another alternative that has not been mentioned so far regarding whether to use AF switches' current switching capability. You can implant a sense switch in a Flyer switch and use it to control a 2 pole or 4 pole relay or even several relays. Radio Shack has a 4 pole relay 275-214 with contacts rated at 5 A at 125 VAC. They also have a 2 pole relay 275-218 with contacts rated at 10 A at 125 VAC. Either of these will provide less voltage drop than a Flyer switch. Both offer more flexibility than the Flyer switch, which can be useful in certain situations. You can also run a bus wire from the switch rail or the first track section connected to it, to the end of a siding, as Scott Griggs suggested. This might not be as electrically efficient as a relay, but is often good enough. If you do use the track switch itself to switch current, clean the plates, (good place to use the Caig goop that Mr. Zizzo obtained for us), check the shape of the contact, and solder the clips that have wires connected to them underneath, to the short inner rails. . i have done all these things and they all work well. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25057	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Electrical wiring 301

I've never been satisfied with the performance of running a jumper wire from one section of track to another distant section of track. I think what happens is there is already a voltage drop to the track section from whence the jumper wire originates. Then there is yet another voltage drop to the distant section of track via the jumper wire. I prefer to run a feeder wire right off a lead from the transformer to a section of track and believe I get a more even flow of voltage that way. In the case of wanting the switch to control a block and that siding block is very long, I would favor a system where the switch activates a relay which directs power feeds to remote sections of the siding - again via the transformer. I'm not an electrical engineer; this is just my observation. Hope I'm helping and not confusing. It's an interesting thread. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25058	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Sylvania #1237

- GreetingS - Good friend and fellow ham radio operator Al Parker, W8UT, answered my question regarding the Electronic Rectiformer tube. Here it is. Argon full wave rectifier, fil. 2.5v, 3A. In Am. Flyer No. 14 & 16 "electronic rectiformer" for toy trains, 1947-50. Promoted as late as 1955. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25059	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 30, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25060	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1829

In a message dated 3/28/03 3:07:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:45:26 -0500 > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: Trains Community - Trip Reports - File 217 > Mike, Thank you for your generous sharing of your find on that website. It was very interesting. My wife and I went to Chattanooga last year and stayed in the old train station with actual dining cars and Pullman sleepers. We loved it. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25061	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1829

In a message dated 3/28/03 3:07:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:44:34 -0600 > From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> > Subject: Toy Trains - Food for Thought - Snap, Crackle, Pop... Scott, You're telling "our age." Yes, I remember the "live" commercials instead of cuts to "canned" or produced commercials. Heck, That's one reason Santa brought my brother and I an American Flyer in 1955. Luckily, my brother had no patience or mechanical ability, so I got the trains. But, he does swing a mean golf club. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25062	From: Lance McCold	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Track Wiring 101

Jeff, The choice of bus wire size depends on how large the current will be, how long the run will be, and how much speed variation you are willing to tolerate. In Linn Westcott's book How to Wire Your Model Railroad, he gives recommended wire sizes for different run lengths that cause 1/4 volt (V) drop with a 1 amp load. For 12 feet he recommends 20 AWG copper. For 20 ft, 18 AWG. For 30 ft, 16 AWG. For 50 ft, 14 AWG. (These distances are figured for two wires, one out and one back, so the wire lengths are actually twice the run length.) He says that the 1/4 V drop will slow some locomotives 10 scale MPH. Most Flyer engines use at least 1.5 amp. If you have a dual motor diesel or smoke, a headlight and lighted passenger cars, you can get 4 amp or more. If you plan for 4 amp, the voltage drop will be 4 times larger than Westcott lists, i.e., 1 V. If you want to maintain 1/4 V drop you need to use larger wire, namely 6 AWG sizes lower than he recommends. That is, for a 20 ft run, you would want to use 12 AWG wire. Of course, this assumes that the only bus caries the power. If you use good joiners on your track, the tack itself will carry some of the current and reduce the voltage drop. If you keep the feeders short--say less than a foot--you can use almost any wire, even 26 or 28 AWG will not cause a problem. My plan for the (roughly circular) modular layout we are building is to run 14 AWG stranded wire under the deck with 3-inch 22 AWG solid wire feeders soldered to the rails on each module. Because the main is a circle, there will be two power paths, clockwise and counterclockwise, feeding each module. The farthest distance from the control panel will be about 50 ft, so we may see some performance problems with two-motor Flyer diesel engines if Westcott's advice is not too conservative. If so, the plan is to wire in a jumper directly from the control panel to the most distant points. If 14 AWG is not enough the jumper can be 12 AWG. If you are using long feeders you need to watch the wire size just like it was the bus. Westcott's book is old (third edition was published in 1959), but it is good-I recommend it. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee Message: 14 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:25:17 -0000 From: "beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@...> Subject: Track Wiring 101 I was talking to a coworker about wiring my mainline using bus wires, feeder wires and soldering right to the rails. He suggested running the heavier gauge wire from the transformer to a bus bar (assume located in roughly the center of the layout) and then run the lighter gauge wires from the bus bar to the various track locations. Is this a good idea or is this "old school?" It seems like this would be an easier way to wire things but would one lose power along the more lengthy feeder wires? Jeff Feldmeier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25063	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: #14 Rectifier tube

<<<<< ORIGINAL MESSAGE: From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1827 Has anyone on the list have a electronic tube subitute for the # 14 Electronic Rectiformer tube # 1237, A.F part # PA10830. I have looked thru all of my electronic tube books with no sucess. Jerry 77-11644 >>>> We have NOS 1237 tubes available, as well as a solid-state plug-in replacement..... Take your choice! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25064	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Lighting Interiors of AM Passenger Cars After Installing Seats

As I recall. S Gaugian published an article on putting AM Budd interiors into AM heavyweight cars. The article promised a follow-on concerning how to light them. Have I missed it? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25065	From: TCS	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Price increase on April 1, 2003

Due to UP licensing agreement, all my decals will increase in price by 50 cents each. Plus all my others in case the other railroads decide to do this. Even my PRNames. Plus my other supplies have also increase in price. Decal paper, inks, bags, well you know the drill. Sorry. Regards, Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25066	From: TCS	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: Re: Price increase on April 1, 2003

Ok, let me rephrase this, Due to increase costs on my end, all decals will increase in price by 50 cents each. Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25067	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2003
Subject: WHILE WE ARE AT IT/ TUBE # 117P7 GT

While we are looking for replacement tubes, what about the RCA#117P7 GT. That goes in the AF Electronic Whistle Control? Also anyone have the # for that control & which engines it was for? Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25068	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Feeder Wire

The best feeder wire to use for remote sections of track is the track itself! If all your track connections are electrically sound you shouldn't need extra wires to get full power to the other side of the layout. If you have spots where the train slows down, find the bad connections by feeling for heat at each track joint after running the train for a while. The exception to this is when you need a feeder wire to power a section of track that is isolated by fiber pins or the internal switches in AF turnouts. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25069	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: WHILE WE ARE AT IT/ TUBE # 117P7 GT

Mike, My electronic whistle control came in a set with the 324AC Hudson in 1950, Apparently there is no number on the controller and you don't see them very often (once in awhile on eBay). According to my TM price guide it is only listed with the engine. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] WHILE WE ARE AT IT/ TUBE # 117P7 GT > While we are looking for replacement tubes, what about the > RCA#117P7 GT. That goes in the AF Electronic Whistle Control? Also anyone > have the # for that control & which engines it was for? > Mike S. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25070	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wire

IMHO, if the track in question is long sections of flexible track and the joints are soldered, then current flow will be better than the use of sectional track with track pins that may or may not be making real good contact. In any event, there has got to be some current loss from the un-insulated rails and it probably would be more noticeable on longer runs. Tim (will work for trains) Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Holm To: s-trains Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Feeder Wire The best feeder wire to use for remote sections of track is the track itself! If all your track connections are electrically sound you shouldn't need extra wires to get full power to the other side of the layout. If you have spots where the train slows down, find the bad connections by feeling for heat at each track joint after running the train for a while. The exception to this is when you need a feeder wire to power a section of track that is isolated by fiber pins or the internal switches in AF turnouts. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25071	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1829

#1237 electronic Tube: Thanks to all who responded to my inquire. I did pick up a tube and will have the # 14 rectiformer up and running. I am still receiving mail concerning the # 765 track torpedo, many different theories about this item, in fact so many that if I arrive at any concrete conclusions, I will pass them along. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25072	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1829

Please do pass along your findings on the track torpedo. The last I heard, there are about 700 subscribers to this list. I am always amazed when I meet someone at a train show or club meeting to hear that they may monitor this list, but are reluctant to post because they are afraid to. IMHO, this list shouldn't be about postings only from "experts" and guys shouldn't be put off from posting an opinion, fact, observation or other interesting train-related tidbit. In the past several years, I've seen multiple threads advance simultaneously. I personally just delete the ones I don't care to participate in. So, guys, what's going on with some of your home or club layouts or collections? Share! Please! Tim (I need more trains) Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald R Dobbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1829 #1237 electronic Tube: Thanks to all who responded to my inquire. I did pick up a tube and will have the # 14 rectiformer up and running. I am still receiving mail concerning the # 765 track torpedo, many different theories about this item, in fact so many that if I arrive at any concrete conclusions, I will pass them along. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25073	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wires

On our Atlantic Coast S Gaugers modular layout for the Carolinas Division, we use both track connections and bus wires to power the layout. Track and accessory power lines use no smaller than 16 gauge wire with Radio Shack #270-026 Quick Disconnects between modules. Feeder wires are no smaller than 18 gauge. Using this setup, we find no noticeable voltage drop on our layout. At Atlanta, we had a 35 by 38 foot layout. With the power supply (generally an AF 30B) located in one corner, this means that power was sent with no noticeable voltage drop over a run of more than 70 feet (35 feet out and 38 feet down) to the farthest corner. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25074	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wires

Joe, Are you guys using long sections of flex track or shorter sectional track on your layout module and are the joint connections soldered or a physical connection? Since my post, I've been checking to see if there actually IS a voltage drop over an non-insulated carrier and I haven't found out yet, so I have to question my own posting. Thanks, Tim (I'm no electrician) Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn To: S Trains Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Feeder Wires On our Atlantic Coast S Gaugers modular layout for the Carolinas Division, we use both track connections and bus wires to power the layout. Track and accessory power lines use no smaller than 16 gauge wire with Radio Shack #270-026 Quick Disconnects between modules. Feeder wires are no smaller than 18 gauge. Using this setup, we find no noticeable voltage drop on our layout. At Atlanta, we had a 35 by 38 foot layout. With the power supply (generally an AF 30B) located in one corner, this means that power was sent with no noticeable voltage drop over a run of more than 70 feet (35 feet out and 38 feet down) to the farthest corner. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25075	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wires

On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:32:42 -0500, Tim Brown wrote: >Since my post, I've been checking to see if there actually IS a voltage drop over an non-insulated carrier and I haven't found out yet, Insulates / non-insulated doesn't change much. Gauge does. #22 vs #12 - huge difference. Stranded wire will carry the current better than solid. Electricity travels on the surface of the wire, so stranded makes for more surface area. With the few amps an engine will draw, there will be little difference between #16 to #12 wire, unless some REALLY big distances are involved. For coil based accessories - switches especially - I'll be using capicator discharge circuits to keep the distance of wire carrying the heavy current short. Then I can wire the control circuits on #22 back to the control panel. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25076	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Does anyone make a repo. of the Circus Train.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25077	From: littletownkid1952	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: GarGraves track

I'm building a S-gauge/Plasticville layout. A friend of mine just gave me tons of GarGraves sectional track. What is the best way to scure the track down? And how about supplying power to the track? Any help would be great!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25078	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1830

re: SHS OPEN HOUSE I went to the SHS Open house on Fri and had a good time. I stupidly waited till 11:00 start time and when I walked in a lot good stuff had been snatched up but I got a second NYC B unit for my F3 A-B, good stuff from the scratch n dent table and some parts. Had hoped for the new switches but not yet. Robin put out a big feast for all train nuts and Don answered all questions. What a great bunch of folks . Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25079	From: TCS	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: [OddballsDecals] Re: Price increase on April 1, 2003

No no no! option 1. 3% not .5%!! Download the file and you'll see ehat I'm talking about. option 2 is .5%, which covers all my products. Heh, everything goes up in price!! Coat of living, insurance, food, gas, you know the drill. Tom Stolte > > Ok, let me rephrase this, > > Due to increase costs on my end, all decals will increase in price by 50 > cents each. > > Tom Stolte > Oddballs Decals

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25080	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: You say repo,..I say repro......(everyone sing!!)

**(((Does anyone make a repo. of the Circus Train.))))**** I'm not sure that anyone has "repo'ed" a circus train,.....but "repro" circus flats, with loads I believe,.. are being made. Ebay had/has several "homemade" coaches, flats, tankers, cabooses, up for grabs occasionally. I have a #356 (I think!) that someone repainted and decaled into a circus loco,... I'm not quite crazy about the orangie/yellow they used,...but oh well. At least I have a circus loco! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25081	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wires

Michael, You wouldn't happen to have or could point to a diagram with parts list for the capacitor circuit you are using, would you. Do you scratch-build the circuits or are they commercially available? Thanks, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Lueck To: S-Trains Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Feeder Wires On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:32:42 -0500, Tim Brown wrote: >Since my post, I've been checking to see if there actually IS a voltage drop over an non-insulated carrier and I haven't found out yet, Insulates / non-insulated doesn't change much. Gauge does. #22 vs #12 - huge difference. Stranded wire will carry the current better than solid. Electricity travels on the surface of the wire, so stranded makes for more surface area. With the few amps an engine will draw, there will be little difference between #16 to #12 wire, unless some REALLY big distances are involved. For coil based accessories - switches especially - I'll be using capicator discharge circuits to keep the distance of wire carrying the heavy current short. Then I can wire the control circuits on #22 back to the control panel. Michael S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25082	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: American Flyer RED CIRCUS coach......on eBay....

Tired of the yellow circus coaches??? Here ya go!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3123483346&category=480 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25083	From: keith kuzma	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Experts

Tim, I have sold and bought a lot of trains from guys on ebay, and unless I recognize their name(from the list),I ussually recommend they join the list.I get a lot of that response.Guys afraid to post because they may not have as much experience with the trains,and have seen the ridicule spewed by some of the experts. Keith --- Tim Brown <Timboy@...> wrote: > Please do pass along your findings on the track > torpedo. The last I heard, there are about 700 > subscribers to this list. I am always amazed when I > meet someone at a train show or club meeting to hear > that they may monitor this list, but are reluctant > to post because they are afraid to. IMHO, this list > shouldn't be about postings only from "experts" and > guys shouldn't be put off from posting an opinion, > fact, observation or other interesting train-related > tidbit. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25084	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Experts

Keith, Actually I think we learn a lot from the new guys on the list just picking up the hobby. They sometimes have a way of asking a question that goes straight back to the basics and sparks a nice little thread. I hope and encourage guys to make that initial post. We all benefit. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: keith kuzma To: Tim Brown Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Experts Tim, I have sold and bought a lot of trains from guys on ebay, and unless I recognize their name(from the list),I ussually recommend they join the list.I get a lot of that response.Guys afraid to post because they may not have as much experience with the trains,and have seen the ridicule spewed by some of the experts. Keith --- Tim Brown <Timboy@...> wrote: > Please do pass along your findings on the track > torpedo. The last I heard, there are about 700 > subscribers to this list. I am always amazed when I > meet someone at a train show or club meeting to hear > that they may monitor this list, but are reluctant > to post because they are afraid to. IMHO, this list > shouldn't be about postings only from "experts" and > guys shouldn't be put off from posting an opinion, > fact, observation or other interesting train-related > tidbit. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25085	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: (unknown)

Yes...there is a fellow in the Grandstands at York( yellow? ) hall that does great work...his name is Preston Richards..you can find him in the TCA book....I used to buy an engine, 2 flats and coach for 125.00 back in the early 80's...I had him make me A special Circus set...A 356, 946 floodlight, 944 crane, box, 2 flats, yellow coach, and red coach...I still have the stuff to do a red flat car...I think it was all of about 300.00 then...I still have it..all with KC and smoke...When I went back to York last October after 12 years, he was still there...Now the engine is more than 300.00...He still does the cars too but they are expensive...He does the best Repro's of the Circus of anybody I know...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "garyandkay66203" <g.landers@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] (unknown) > Does anyone make a repo. of the Circus Train. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25086	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Feeder Wires

On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:11:42 -0500, Tim Brown wrote: >You wouldn't happen to have or could point to a diagram with parts list for the capacitor circuit you are using, would you. Do you scratch-build the circuits or are they commercially available? Will be scratch building. Boys age 3 and 2 / home school - will be needing to learn some science / math. Ah, brush some dust off of Ohms's Law. I'm going to base it on the Peter Thorne cirtuit in "34 New Electronic Projects for Model Railroaders" - Kalmback Books - just kick it up a knotch since the book was from my <aaahem> HO years. Will also be doing some fancy block signaling with Gilbert semaphores. Once developed - all solutions will be posted on the web site I start so others can learn as well. Basically I hope to come up with some highly recyclable small boards that I connect via a standard interface to control that "one more switch" or "one more semaphore" as the layout grows. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25087	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: 21130 Pilot Help Needed

Hi Guys, I just got a replacement pilot for my 21130 and have a couple of questions. What is the best way to remove the "grab bars" and "markers" from the old pilot? What is the best way to install them on the new pilot? I thought I better ask before I got the sledge hammer out! Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25088	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: UP licensing agreement

This is sad about what UP is doing, charging money to companies, using their logo's on products, whether a single sticker, train car, shirt, mug, etc., because they think the logo's will be mis-represented by people. I believe this is what I read in CCT, a few months ago as the reason for this. And the end user, us the consumer, will pay the price for it, as companies like Oddballs Decal, has to past along the additional cost along to the consumer, to cover his cost increase on the products. First it was major league baseball, charging little league teams $5 for each kid on a team, for using a name of a team's nickmane, like Yankee's (boo hiss, sorry Tom J) or Oriole's. Now UP, with all the rail lines they own, is doing the same thing. I think this is just a way to raise additional profits for these corporations and baseball, like UP, is a corporation and this will probably be a trend with other types of companies in time. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25089	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Experts

***((They sometimes have a way of asking a question that goes straight back to the basics and sparks a nice little thread. I hope and encourage guys to make that initial post.)))*** I agree,......some like to lurk and observe,...no problem,....but to NOT post due to fear of being laughed at,... Dewey doesn't worry about that!! :^) (just a poke a David) This ain't brain surgery here,...just facts and fun!!! Rick "I don't care what ya say about me, just so ya say somethin'" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25090	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: 21130 pilot

Push them out from underneath with a pointed object, such as an awl, nail, or jeweller's screwdriver. Tap them into the new pilot with a small hammer. If you want to use pliers to drive them in, wrap a couple of layers of electrical tape around the plier jaws to prevent scratching of painted surfaces. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25091	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: 21130 Pilot Help Needed

I have removed them from 322 and others by turning them over and tapping a hard piece of wire into the hole until the good piece is out...then I can tear up the piece i used if i have too...the wires are usually a force fit...I also use a razor blade to slip between the box car plastic and the metal frame to loosen the rivit in the hole....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 21130 Pilot Help Needed > Hi Guys, > > I just got a replacement pilot for my 21130 and have a couple of > questions. What is the best way to remove the "grab bars" > and "markers" from the old pilot? What is the best way to install > them on the new pilot? > > I thought I better ask before I got the sledge hammer out! > > Thanks, > > BG1 > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25092	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Company names, logos

At one time, a company would PAY for the advertising. A T-shirt with a company name was free, or you paid shipping & handling. You got it for less than a standard blank T-shirt. The label was inside on clothing. Often it was thought of as poor taste to show the brand name. A company would put a whole new roof on a barn, just to put a sign on one side, or paint the whole barn to put a sign on the side of the barn. Now, companies think you should pay them for the privilege of advertising them. It's a good reason for modlers to go back to their own "made up" roadnames on the models. "Gorre & Daphetid", "Prospect and Upper Ridge", "Firewater & Kicking Horse", "Bent Spaghetti Lines", the list goes on. But, yes, if you have something that someone else is willing to pay for using it, I guess it's the American Way to go for the money. As long as people keep paying for it, College logo, pro team logo, or whatever, the owner will charge for it's use. I can see why the makers of "Kleenex" don't want their brand name to be used as a generic term. But, how about those who register what has been a common term and make it a trademark that you must be licensed to use? (Final Four, and Big Dance come to mind) Well, that's my two cents for tonight. (or is that term under a copyright?) jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25093	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: UP Licensing agreement

Was not the Union Pacific created by the government and funded by the taxpayers? Seems as though this is a slightly different situation from a typical company. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25094	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: NO track torpedoes, just a commercial

Readers, Just to let you know, I doubt very much there will be any track torpedoes at the Train Show at Leesport Farmers Market, Leesport PA next Sunday, the 6th of April. While some may be disappointed by this information, I would hope if you do attend, you'll stop over by the stage sections on the Flea Mkt end of the hall and say HI to the guys with the beards. I'll be one of them. I won't be the one in the Harley T-shirt. Hoping to have the American Flyer travelling 5 x 8 layout there, too. Of course, I have to mention there will be a $3.00 admission charge at the door (windows are to high to be accessible). Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25095	From: mlmarmer	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: UP Licensing agreement

Tom, The UP was created in 1862 by the Pacific Railroad Act, but they not owned by the government today, if the government owned the lines then. The line, with the CP was funded by U.S. Bonds, which they received after they built a certain amount of trackage, then additional bonds were received for each new mile. They also sold stock to the public. Of course, Government bonds comes from the public through taxes collected. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] UP Licensing agreement > Was not the Union Pacific created by the government and funded by the > taxpayers? Seems as though this is a slightly different situation from a > typical company. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25096	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Stop Clowning Around - The geratest show in the world....

S-Gaugers, Here is a short list of circus AF modified equipment that has been on E-bay. Contacting the sellers would probably yield still available product. BTw, still comes to DFW every year... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103427 103> &category=480&item=3103427103 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103427 276> &category=480&item=3103427276 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103940 556> &category=480&item=3103940556 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103941 794> &category=480&item=3103941794 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3102888 494> &category=480&item=3102888494 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3104311 225> &category=480&item=3104311225 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3104311 225> &category=480&item=3104311225 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103695 379> &category=480&item=3103695379 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103695 908> &category=480&item=3103695908 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103696 916> &category=480&item=3103696916 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103697 544> &category=480&item=3103697544 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103982 780> &category=480&item=3103982780 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103947 285> &category=480&item=3103947285 Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25097	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Price increase on April 1, 2003

The "UP licensing agreement"? What ever happened to the good old days when A.C. Gilbert asked how much Celanese chemicals was paying him to put their name on the cars. It is probably our own fault for making brand logos a high demand item for which a price can be demanded. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "TCS" <mopac@...> To: <OddballsDecals@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <up_modelers@yahoogroups.com>; <Union_Pacific@yahoogroups.com>; "Thomas Robinson" <robinsontz@...>; "Terry Lynch" <tlynch@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Steven Gardner" <sogardner@...>; "Steve Rosnick" <dtc1@...>; "Steve Rosnick" <info@...>; "stephen a. solombrino" <up4479@...>; <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <SMRF@...>; "Russ Rail Stuff" <RussRStuff@...>; "RSLmodelers" <RSLmodelers@yahoogroups.com>; <rr-decal@yahoogroups.com>; "Richard E. Napper" <renapper@...>; "RAILROADmodeler@yaho" <RAILROADmodeler@yahoogroups.com>; <PCModeler@yahoogroups.com>; "Papa Ben's" <papabens@...>; <n_scale@yahoogroups.com>; <N@yahoogroups.com>; "N Edward Smith" <edsmith823@...>; "mstl" <mstl@yahoogroups.com>; <MoPacHS@yahoogroups.com>; <MOPAC@yahoogroups.com>; "Model_Trains" <Model_Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <mkt@yahoogroups.com>; "MissouriPacificModels" <MissouriPacificModels@yahoogroups.com>; <MFCL@yahoogroups.com>; "L&N RR" <lnrr@yahoogroups.com>; "Ken Jenkins" <kennethjenkins@...>; <kcsnotes@yahoogroups.com>; "kansascityrailfans" <kansascityrailfans@yahoogroups.com>; "Jerry Michels" <Asychis@...>; "J&L Hobby" <jltrain@...>; <Frisco@yahoogroups.com>; <frisco@...>; <freightcarworld@yahoogroups.com>; "Freight Car Forum" <freightcars@...>; <drgw@yahoogroups.com>; <DoubleSExpress@...>; <cnw@yahoogroups.com>; <cgw@yahoogroups.com>; "alpsdecal" <alpsdecal@yahoogroups.com>; <87scalecars@yahoogroups.com>; "Greg Drawbaugh" <gdraw@...>; "Larry Orr" <larryorr@...> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Price increase on April 1, 2003 > Due to UP licensing agreement, all my decals will increase in price by > 50 cents each. Plus all my others in case the other railroads decide to > do this. Even my PRNames. Plus my other supplies have also increase in > price. Decal paper, inks, bags, well you know the drill. Sorry. > > Regards, > > Tom Stolte > Oddballs Decals > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25098	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: Track Feeders

Tim Brown wrote: <Are you guys using long sections of flex track or <shorter sectional track on your layout module and <are the joint connections soldered or a physical <connection? Since my post, I've been checking to <see if there actually IS a voltage drop over an non-<insulated carrier and I haven't found out yet, so I <have to question my own posting. We are using all sectional track, including AF, K-Line, S-Trax, and some 3-foot Gargraves as well as AF switches. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25099	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] UP licensing agreement

> > because they think the logo's will be mis-represented by people

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25100	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/29/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement

Actually, I believe the aggressive copyright/trademark actions of companies and individuals these days has two primary causes: the revised copyright law of 1976, stemming from a lawsuit pitting Louisville Courier Journal vs. Bill Strode, and the more recent affirmations of that landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court; and the tendency in this country to want everything set down, bottled up and packaged in a nice tidy Legal-Beagle bundle. In other words, lawyers run the table. Sure, nobody would want their "name" misrepresented. None of us would want our family name misrepresented. And in recent years, more and more companies have come to realize the importance and significance of the image created with logos and trademarks, hence the perceived monetary value. It does seem just a little, ah, greedy-only word I can think of-to extract the ounce of blood from a small decal manufacturer. I mean we are talking pennies on the dollar here, and probably not that many dollars either. But looking at it from the UP's point of view, if they are going to charge a royalty or use fee from one, then they have to charge all, for the sake of consistency. How would they decide who to charge and who not to charge? IMHO. Roy Inman > > because they think the logo's will be mis-represented by people

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25101	From: waldootten	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement

Sorry, but I'll have to disagree here. I own a business and we have had to aggressively pursue those who seek to imitate our logo or "borrow" company name, probably 20 times in the last 15 years. The only reason they do this is to get instant "credibility" from our years of integrity and goodwill -- by illegally "borrowing" our name in an effort to confuse consumers. It cost us big bucks to establish an identifiable brand over those 15 years and it is our responsibility to defend it to maintain its value. I do agree that the virtual pennies Union Pacific will gain from a company like Oddballs Decals is both minuscule and irrelevant. But UP has to include everyone, large and small -- for legal reasons. In our often too-litigious society, a good defense against a copyright, trade dress or brand infringement lawsuit is "but you are letting so- and-so do it without paying." If a company that does millions of dollars a year in business (i.e., Lionel) using the UP brand and logos chose not to pay the licensing fees, UP would have a hard time going to court and collecting if a multitude of smaller users were allowed to ride free. So everyone is required to pay. One of the main things (maybe the only thing) that makes a piece of model railroad rolling stock different from others emerging from the same molds IS the railroad name and heralds. So I don't have a problem with UP getting a few cents off each product because its name and herald is what makes the product attractive to buyers. I see talk here about the difference in values for things like LTI/AF SP Daylight and NP sets. It's the railroad name, heralds and colors that primarily sets them apart, in addition to their scarcity -- which goes right back to the heralds and color schemes that identify them. Otherwise, they're all the same trains and would not have a difference in value. That's also why the dreaded forged "repaints" making common cars "rare" are such an issue to collectors. I haven't seen any instances of forged 630 cabooses, for example. Frankly, I have been surprised that more current and defunct rail lines haven't/don't do this. And regarding the logos of professional sports teams and colleges, the name and distinct color scheme is the ONLY thing that makes an otherwise ordinary product attractive. To use someone else's brand, copyrights, trademarks or trade dress without a licensing agreement is stealing, plain and simple. And the pro sports leagues and colleges actively pursue violators in court and always win. They own the color schemes and logos and are free to do with them as they wish (licensing). It is no different that the growing number of cases of identity theft we keep hearing about. Oddballs Decals isn't simply selling a decal in this case. They're selling a set of logos, heralds and brands owned by someone else who paid a lot of money to establish them. If the shoe were on the other foot, you'd understand. Makes me wonder why A.C. Gilbert issued so many items in the early post-war days with no railroad heralds, just stuff like "American Flyer Lines." Phil K ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > This is sad about what UP is doing, charging money to companies, using their > logo's on products, whether a single sticker, train car, shirt, mug, etc., > because they think the logo's will be mis-represented by people. I believe > this is what I read in CCT, a few months ago as the reason for this. And > the end user, us the consumer, will pay the price for it, as companies like > Oddballs Decal, has to past along the additional cost along to the consumer, > to cover his cost increase on the products. > > First it was major league baseball, charging little league teams $5 for each > kid on a team, for using a name of a team's nickmane, like Yankee's (boo > hiss, sorry Tom J) or Oriole's. > > Now UP, with all the rail lines they own, is doing the same thing. > > I think this is just a way to raise additional profits for these > corporations and baseball, like UP, is a corporation and this will probably > be a trend with other types of companies in time. > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25102	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Sunset S Scale GP7 and GP9

Hi All, It is with some hesitation that I ask this question. The last time I did, I bought 2 Alco RS3 units. Does anyone have a Sunset S Scale GP7 or GP9 that could be for sale? Here are my preferences: 1. Unpainted 2. Has dynamic brakes (A must) 3. The drive is not running. I am not going to use it anyway. 4. All parts are at least in the box and in good condition. Handrails etc can be in need of repair. 5. No dents or major tarnish on the carbody 6. Have original box in usable condition The above is a guide. I can discuss if you have something that is not all of the above. Please reply to billlane@... with condition and pricing. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25103	From: AF336	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement

>>> UP has to include everyone, large and small -- for legal reasons.<<< I am involved with the protection and creation of intellectual property at a company which has been my employer for 26 years. This company has been in business for 100 years and we have a very recognizable brand in our industry that has existed since the early 50's. The name is "catchy" enough that we have everything from music groups to artists who wish to use our brand name. One of the problems with the legal environment is that in order to protect your brand from people who would use it to gain a "leg up" as competitors, it is also necessary to restrict or license the "small guys" who really would be no harm. Sometimes it is hard to predict what will ultimately be a detrimental use and what would not be.... End result is a company is forced to look a little testy/greedy to individuals who see this as the "big guy" stepping on the "little guy". The real "big guy" is the litigious nature of this country. 30 years ago I was involved with an individual who created a "flying snoopy's dog house". This radio controlled model was featured in a small news article that eventually got wider regional publication. The creator of the model got a letter from the legal representation for Charles Schulz (not sure this is correct spelling, but I don't want to go look it up, so blast away spelling and grammar fanatics) We all thought that this was really uncalled for at the time, but what I realize now is they had no choice. Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25104	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: TrainWeb.com

Has anyone been in contact with the Trainweb folks? Looks like they are having a bit of trouble. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25105	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: (Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list

Hello All, I have sold about 1/2 my inventory in the last sale. Thanks to those of you who bought cars from me. Some reserved cars and then never paid so these cars are up again for sale. Here is the complete list of what I have for sale. All items are new and unused Some items are already sold and are called out below. If you want to buy something from me please copy and paste all the info for each line item into your email to me. I only accept money orders and PayPal. Shipping will be added to your total. Thanks, Jon Marinello email: jonmarinello@... EMD F-7 A & B Units (20% off retail) $543.96 + shipping #00900 AT&SF EMD F7 (Passenger) ABA 53'6" General Steel Casting Co. Flat Cars and Trailers (30% off retail) $41.97 + shipping #00181 TOFC Penn #1 w/PRR Trailer #00310-6 TOFC WM with WM Trailer #00308-3 TOFC D&RGW with D&RGW Trailer #00193 TOFC Trailer Train #1 w/REAX ALM Trailer #00191 TOFC New York Central #1 w/NYC Trailer #00306-9 TOFC PRR #3 with PRR #2 Trailer #00180 TOFC Rock Island w/RI Trailer 48' General Steel Casting Co. Bulkhead Flat Cars (30% off retail) $34.97 + shipping #00166 Bulkhead Flatcar WAB GBP BM Load #00157 Bulkhead Flatcar BN PC BM Load #00158 Bulkhead Flatcar CB&Q JM BM Load #00161 Bulkhead Flatcar IC GBM BM Load #00162 Bulkhead Flatcar IC JM BM Load #00156 Bulkhead Flatcar BN USG BM Load #00163 Bulkhead Flatcar SOU EP BM Load #00338 Bulkhead Flatcar WM/CSS Pulpwood Load #00160 Bulkhead Flatcar D&RGW EP BM Load #00159 Bulkhead Flatcar CB&Q PC BM Load Extended Vision Cabooses $69.95 retail (30% off retail) $48.97 + shipping #00234 Caboose Illinois Central Gulf #1 #00232 Caboose Great Northern #1 #00218 Caboose Burlington Northern #1 #00238 Caboose Northern Pacific #1 #00225 Caboose Chessie #2 PS-2 Two Bay Covered Hoppers (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00076 PS-2 2-bay Great Northern 71451 #00285 PS-2 2-bay M&Stl #1 NASG 99 conv car #00028-0 PS-2 2-bay D&RGW/Friction Bearing #00085 PS-2 2-bay Chessie (CSXT) 226403 #00409 PS-2 2-bay CSX (Central Soya)#2 PS-2 Three Bay Covered Hoppers (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00278 PS-2 3-bay Great Northern #1 #00279 PS-2 3-bay Erie Lackawanna #1 40' USRA Single Sheathed Wooden Box Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00142 SS USRA Xm Clinchfield 8051 #00075 SS USRA Xm Canadian Pacific 230471 #00146 SS USRA Xm Pacific Electric 2712 #00147 SS USRA Xm Wabash 76012 40' Wooden Stock Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00064 SC New York Central 22591 #00060 SC Santa Fe 23001 #00055 SC Atlantic Coast Line 140441 40' Wooden Billboard Reefer Cars 15% off retail) $36.51 + shipping #00497 Reefer PGE 2000 Christmas Car #00492 Reefer NWX-gray #2 #00498 Reefer Pacific Fruit Express #1 #00484 Reefer BREX #2 #00517 Reefer Ballentine Beer #2 #00686 Reefer Northern Pacific #1 #00566 Reefer PFE-orange #1 Composite Hoppers 3 Car Sets (20% off retail) $79.96 + shipping #00762 Comp Hb AT&SF 3 car set #1 Flat Cars with Loads See items for prices (15% off retail) + shipping -- all gone -- 53'6" General Steel Casting Co. Flat Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping -- all gone -- 40' USRA Double Sheathed Boxcars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping -- all gone -- 40' Steel "Rebuilt" Box Cars (20% off retail) $31.96 + shipping -- all gone --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25106	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: (Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list

Please send your purchase inquires to jonmarinello@.... Please don't use my old hotmail account anymore. Thanks, Jon Marinello

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25107	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Test Message - Please ignore

S-Gaugers, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103427 103> &category=480&item=3103427103 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103427 276> &category=480&item=3103427276 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103940 556> &category=480&item=3103940556 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103941 794> &category=480&item=3103941794 Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25108	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: S-Trains - Yet another Test Message - Please Ignore

S-Gaugers, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103941 794> &category=480&item=3103941794 Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25109	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - again

SHS New in the box. $30 each including shipping in the contiguous 48. Mark 00069 SS XM CB&Q #25321 00058 SC PA #128121 00067 USRA SS XM PA #518392 00028 PS-2 D&RGW 00051 SC UP #49042 00029 PS-2 SF #2 ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25110	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: SantaFe - How Much - $, $$, $$$

Folks with disposable incomes will make sure I never get one of these at this rate. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3123718931&category=480 OK, just the engines and cars in good shape - how much, how rare? Did this just go through the roof since it is so complete, or is that what these fetch anyway? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25111	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: UP licensing agreement

Some very thoughtful posts on copyright and trademark have come to the list. As a freelance photographer, every image I make is automatically owned by me, unless I sign over the rights to another individual or entity. In photography, we charge by the use, and by the extent of that use. A photo for Time Magazine, with a circulation in the millions, for instance, would cost more than the very same image used in a local PR brochure for a small local contractor. I have had that very situation. But the owner of the trademark or copyright, as the owner, can ask any figure he/she wants. The potential buyer may be unable or unwilling to pay the price, but that has no bearing. Sort of like renting a car. If UP thinks Oddball Decals ---------- > From: AF336 <AF336@...> > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:01:35 -0800 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: UP licensing agreement > > > 30 years ago I was involved with an individual who created a "flying > snoopy's dog house". This radio controlled model was featured in a small > news article that eventually got wider regional publication. The creator of > the model got a letter from the legal representation for Charles Schulz (not > sure this is correct spelling, but I don't want to go look it up, so blast > away spelling and grammar fanatics) > > We all thought that this was really uncalled for at the time, but what I > realize now is they had no choice.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25112	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, $$, $$$

Why not start a discussion on how to find trains like this or in any condition. For example, I got one in great shape from putting an ad in the local newspaper. (and some stuff in not so great shape turned up too). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] SantaFe - How Much - $, $$, $$$ > Folks with disposable incomes will make sure I never get one of these at this > rate. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3123718931&category=480 > > OK, just the engines and cars in good shape - how much, how rare? Did this just > go through the roof since it is so complete, or is that what these fetch > anyway? > > Michael > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25113	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Subject: neutrals and commons - GreetingS - Tom J is quite correct in observing that you can choose the terminal to be known as common terminal or base post. You can do this because the secondary side of the transformer begins a new or isolated power system where, for us, the power is appropriate for running trains. The common terminal or rail is the one to which other terminals, rails, or voltages are referenced. A loose definition of the terminal to which voltages are referenced is the neutral terminal. If you good folk will continue, in the spirit of doing good, to remind me that I should use common, not neutral, I shall learn to speak the correct language. Your persevering help is appreciated very much. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25114	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Subject: Wiring - GreetingS - Dick K asked about using one conductor for commonall through the layout. Sure, you can. This is the case for the American auto where the structure is the common part of the circuit for the heater blower, the parking lights, the turn signals, the radio, and more stuff I haven't thought of. A good reason to not do the wiring this way is troubleshooting. On the modular layouts of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers, it is very convenient to isolate the inner loop from the outer loop, both common and hot sides. Same is true for isolating accessory circuit from the outer or inner loops. On my home layout I am going back and isolating some common wiring just in the several parts of the accessory circuit. This will help reduce the dimming of the lamps in the floodlight tower when the coaling station is operated. In thinking of the wire path for common, it is a bit like con- necting the bumpers of four or five autos together. If the circuits are otherwise isolated, one does not notice the connec- tion. However, if the starting current for auto `C' comes thru auto `A', then the lights in auto `B' may brighten or dim in very strange ways. Hope thiS helpS and cheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25115	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: S Fest West is coming!! Check it out!!

Yo!! Flyer Fest West is almost here--May 3 & 4. This looks to be a great gathering of not only Northern California Flyer Fanatics, but folks are coming in from Arizona, Idaho, and even Florida! Paul Y. will be there SnS (Steve B & Sam, Tom Rolfsmeyer, and a host of others!) Three great clinics are planned, Model Contest, Races! and a great catered western BBQ buffet (BBQ reservation MUST be made before April 19!) AND time to visit with some S folks you don't see very often, as well as a variety of trading/sales tables (some tables still available if you want to foist off your excess). Information is available on-line at: http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/festwest4info.htm Information on the commemorative water tower can be had at: http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/Tower4.JPG Be there, or Be O!! David "two rails" Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25116	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, $$, $$$

I tried putting a two-week ad in a local newspaper, specifically for old American Flyer toy trains - nothing. I'm wondering if the ad has to be worded to show an interest in buying ALL toy trains. Perhaps I need to form a small co-op, where one guy is interested in Lionel, one in HO and me in Flyer. Maybe that would be more effective and each gets what we really want out of it. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Asp To: S-Trains ; Michael Lueck Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SantaFe - How Much - $, $$, $$$ Why not start a discussion on how to find trains like this or in any condition. For example, I got one in great shape from putting an ad in the local newspaper. (and some stuff in not so great shape turned up too). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] SantaFe - How Much - $, $$, $$$ > Folks with disposable incomes will make sure I never get one of these at this > rate. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3123718931&category=480 > > OK, just the engines and cars in good shape - how much, how rare? Did this just > go through the roof since it is so complete, or is that what these fetch > anyway? > > Michael > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25117	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement

How about the"Enron Railroad" ???? On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:27:41 -0600 Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> writes: > Actually, I believe the aggressive copyright/trademark actions of > companies > and individuals these days has two primary causes: the revised > copyright law > of 1976, stemming from a lawsuit pitting Louisville Courier Journal > vs. Bill > Strode, and the more recent affirmations of that landmark decision > by the > U.S. Supreme Court; and the tendency in this country to want > everything set > down, bottled up and packaged in a nice tidy Legal-Beagle bundle. In > other > words, lawyers run the table. > Sure, nobody would want their "name" misrepresented. None of us > would want > our family name misrepresented. And in recent years, more and more > companies > have come to realize the importance and significance of the image > created > with logos and trademarks, hence the perceived monetary value. > It does seem just a little, ah, greedy-only word I can think of-to > extract > the ounce of blood from a small decal manufacturer. I mean we are > talking > pennies on the dollar here, and probably not that many dollars > either. > But looking at it from the UP's point of view, if they are going to > charge a > royalty or use fee from one, then they have to charge all, for the > sake of > consistency. How would they decide who to charge and who not to > charge? > IMHO. > Roy Inman > > > > because they think the logo's will be mis-represented by people > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25118	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: S-Trains - Yet another test - Please ignore...

S-Gaugers, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3103427 103> &category=480&item=3103427103 Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25119	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, and newspaper ads

Well, Tim et al. This is a VERY compete set in near mint (except for the set box) and includes the original reciept. Add to that, it is the '57 year with 5 digit boxes and three digit stock. The completeness and the reciept add tremendously to the appeal to the "mint only" collectors, so this set is astronamically higher than one you would buy to run on the layout. As an operator, I would want the "layout runner" as a curator, I have great respect for a set lasting in this condition, and being preserved as such so others in the future can see what "the factory" actually produced. So don't dispare, there will be operator quality sets at much lower prices somewhere! As to ads in the newspapter, it is a crap shoot, and the odds are better when you run the ads for a consistant long time period. I used to run such ads, and I have looked at a lot of Tyco HO JUNK and a few pretty good trains. If the price is right, you buy the L three-rail stuff as you (usually) have a better place to market it and trade for two-rail stuff! Also word-of-mouth is good, that's how I got my '55 Yard King set. S' David D. Still stuck with no Yahoo messages AUGH! I still get the spam though.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25120	From: tsbikes	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Bridge modules???

Hi All, I am just finishing the construction phase of my modular S layout. It is 4' modules of plywood / foam board construction. My objective was to make them strong but light and portable.(I will post pics of construction if there is any interest) I now need a bridge module where the layout crosses a doorway. I'm sure minds better than mine have tackled this problem. I am particularly concerned with maintaining track alignment, electrical connectivity and ease of use. Would anyone care to comment or make suggestions. Jim Grimes TCA #97-45877

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25121	From: bente and rance	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Bridge modules???

Hi Jim: I am thinking of doing the same thing - that is, build a bridge that goes across a doorway. There is a bridge reported in Model Railroader's "How to Build Model Railroad Benchwork", 2nd edition, pages 68-69. Although the diagram and pictures are nice, I think I would have a little problem in following it. Additionally, in a recent photo essay by the ACSG Carolina's division (recent e-mail from Joe Haenn), Pete Hildenbrand is making an opening bridge and there are two pictures showing some of the preliminary workups. I wrote to Joe and asked if Pete has a write up of how he is making the "opening bridge module". Jow answered that Pete may do it in the future, but there is nothing now. I would be very interested in seeing any answers that you get on how to build one! Good luck Rance Velapoldi (Norway) tsbikes wrote: >Hi All, > > I am just finishing the construction phase of my modular S layout. It >is 4' modules of plywood / foam board construction. My objective was >to make them strong but light and portable.(I will post pics of >construction if there is any interest) > I now need a bridge module where the layout crosses a doorway. I'm >sure minds better than mine have tackled this problem. I am >particularly concerned with maintaining track alignment, electrical >connectivity and ease of use. > Would anyone care to comment or make suggestions. > >Jim Grimes >TCA #97-45877 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25122	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: 'Follow the wall' layout question

I am considering building a wall mounted layout. The kind that follows the walls and is attached just above the doors and windows. I am working on the drawings and I have a basic question. Would 1 x 6 be wide enough for the dual mainline sections? I planned on about 3 inch (center to center) with about 1 5/8 between the wall and the center of the closest track. |<---- 3 ---- >| | Wall | | | |-I--|--I-|____|-I--|--I-|__| | |<-1.6->| |_1x6_______________________| Any other tips are welcome. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25123	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 'Follow the wall' layout question

Paul....1x6 is tight...Consider the overhangs of the engines and cars when you encounter a curved portion connecting to a straight piece...lay out a circle and straight on a table and you will see what i mean...1x8 would be better...Remember a 1x6 is 5 1/2" wide...a 1x8 is 7 1/2"? ....if you are set on 6"...go to lowes and look at their 12" wide WHITE shelving...they will rip it to 6" for you..Also consider the wider shelf...you can put false building fronts, trees etc. behind the track.....BTW you need to stop by the next time in town...I now have an Office that isn't piled up...I am in the new portion of the house....The back train room is all finished with paint, carpet, wood floor, etc....its ready to start a new layout...WITH A PLACE FOR EVERTHING AND EVERYTHING IN ITS PLACE.........Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 'Follow the wall' layout question > I am considering building a wall mounted layout. > The kind that follows the walls and is attached just > above the doors and windows. > > I am working on the drawings and I have a basic > question. > > Would 1 x 6 be wide enough for the dual mainline > sections? > > I planned on about 3 inch (center to center) with > about 1 5/8 between the wall and the center of the > closest track. > > |<---- 3 ---- >| | Wall > | | | > |-I--|--I-|____|-I--|--I-|__| > | |<-1.6->| > |_1x6_______________________| > > Any other tips are welcome. > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25124	From: rkuepper	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 'Follow the wall' layout question

Paul - It's going to be awfully tight. A 1x6 is only 5.5" wide. If you take the distance from the wall to the CL of trk 1=1.625 + 3" to CL of trk 2 + .8 (1/2 the track width of trk 2), you get 5.425" wall to outside of trk 2. Whew! Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 'Follow the wall' layout question > I am considering building a wall mounted layout. > The kind that follows the walls and is attached just > above the doors and windows. > > I am working on the drawings and I have a basic > question. > > Would 1 x 6 be wide enough for the dual mainline > sections? > > I planned on about 3 inch (center to center) with > about 1 5/8 between the wall and the center of the > closest track. > > |<---- 3 ---- >| | Wall > | | | > |-I--|--I-|____|-I--|--I-|__| > | |<-1.6->| > |_1x6_______________________| > > Any other tips are welcome. > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25125	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, and newspaper ads

I don't think the ads do much anymore...I have run them and just wasted MONEY....Back in the early 80's I had A guy looking for me...Almost every week he found stuff..Had to have 100.00 every week for him, but it was worth it...(The set thats up now I sold one similar, When I bought that FARM in KY. for 1200.00 in 90...but had paid 250 in 85.) But by about 90 it dried up...I have found the best place to find stuff is at the small meets...Not TCA types...Also consider all the time and money spent on travel...take all that and buy a good set.. And don't forget that TYCO stuff...It can be collectable...When I was doing shows in the 80's I bought several boxes of that junk for 250.00...The first show I put stupid prices on the items...Sold 1000.00 and didn't hardly scratch the pile...Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25126	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, and newspaper ads

So the TYCO stuff I ignored is now valuable?? Figures! What about all these plastic grocery bags my wife is saving??? ;-) S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25127	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, and newspaper ads

Another place to find trains are auctions. Depending on where you live, these can sometimes net some goodies. I've done well over the years. I am talking about your run-of-the-mill type auctions. I have a friend in the south who still advertises and has hit some jackpots in last 2 years. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25128	From: flyerbuddy	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: 630 Caboose

How to I take the body off of my caboose? When I look at the bottom I see brass rivets in the corners. Do I have to break the plastic body off of the chassie or is there a " trick " to removing it. Thanks in advance. Buddy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25129	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Bridge modules???

Hi Jim, While I can't comment on your proposed bridge module, I would like to be on record encouraging you to post your pics someday soon. You could either post them on Yahoo or build a simple web site and send us all a link. I have a little page on my web site that explains how to copy the HTML tags from either one of the pages on my site, or any other site. Here's a link to my site: http://home.att.net/~timboy/home.html Have fun, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: tsbikes To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Bridge modules??? Hi All, I am just finishing the construction phase of my modular S layout. It is 4' modules of plywood / foam board construction. My objective was to make them strong but light and portable.(I will post pics of construction if there is any interest) I now need a bridge module where the layout crosses a doorway. I'm sure minds better than mine have tackled this problem. I am particularly concerned with maintaining track alignment, electrical connectivity and ease of use. Would anyone care to comment or make suggestions. Jim Grimes TCA #97-45877 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25130	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose/body removal

***((( How to I take the body off of my caboose? When I look at the bottom I see brass rivets in the corners. Do I have to break the plastic body off of the chassie or is there a " trick " to removing it. )))*** ARGH!! Don't say break!! :^) You need to carefully remove the four brass ( I guess they are brass) rivet/screw type thingies. (technical, aren't I??) I have been able to grip with plyers,...some were easy and some were very tuff to grip with small plyers,...you can damage the rivet heads. I have found that slipping a VERY small screw driver ( someone on list just mentioned a razor blade for this I think)..between the frame and plastic body,... very carefully try to pry the frame away from the body,...that will loosen the rivet and make it easier to grab with plyers. (needle nose plyers would work). Might be other tricks out there,....just be careful,...try not to pry hard and break the plastic body!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25131	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose

Hi, Try heating the knurled pins a bit with the tip of a soldering iron, then pull out with a pair of needle-nose pliers. Don't heat too much to melt the plastic, tho'. You can re-seat them the same way. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: flyerbuddy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 630 Caboose How to I take the body off of my caboose? When I look at the bottom I see brass rivets in the corners. Do I have to break the plastic body off of the chassie or is there a " trick " to removing it. Thanks in advance. Buddy S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25132	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: AF Floodlight Cars

I own several AF floodlight cars dating from the link coupler era. They are in various states of repair or disrepair. Does anyone have suggestions to make the light shine steadily and brightly? Kind Regards, John Harvey brigadie@... *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. *************************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25133	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose/body removal

The razor blade gives you a bigger area to PRY on...less damage...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 630 Caboose/body removal > ***((( How to I take the body off of my caboose? When I look at the bottom > I see brass rivets in the corners. Do I have to break the plastic > body off of the chassie or is there a " trick " to removing it. )))*** > > > ARGH!! Don't say break!! :^) You need to carefully remove the four brass ( I guess they are brass) > rivet/screw type thingies. (technical, aren't I??) I have been able to grip with plyers,...some were easy and some were > very tuff to grip with small plyers,...you can damage the rivet heads. I have found that slipping a VERY small > screw driver ( someone on list just mentioned a razor blade for this I think)..between the frame and plastic body,... > very carefully try to pry the frame away from the body,...that will loosen the rivet and make it easier to grab with > plyers. (needle nose plyers would work). > > Might be other tricks out there,....just be careful,...try not to pry hard and break the plastic body!! > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25134	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, and newspaper ads

David...I am serious...I put stupid prices on the cars....7.00 10.00 15.00 etc...The HO people grabbed them up...bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SantaFe - How Much - $, and newspaper ads > So the TYCO stuff I ignored is now valuable?? Figures! > What about all these plastic grocery bags my wife is saving??? > ;-) > S' > David > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25135	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 'Follow the wall' layout question

Dumb question...I used to get a copy of my responses to e-mail postings....are they coming through? Like the Circus, Wall layout, Razor blade, Etc...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 'Follow the wall' layout question > Paul - > > It's going to be awfully tight. A 1x6 is only 5.5" wide. If you take the > distance from the wall to the CL of trk 1=1.625 + 3" to CL of trk 2 + .8 > (1/2 the track width of trk 2), you get 5.425" wall to outside of trk 2. > Whew! > > Dick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> > To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:28 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] 'Follow the wall' layout question > > > > I am considering building a wall mounted layout. > > The kind that follows the walls and is attached just > > above the doors and windows. > > > > I am working on the drawings and I have a basic > > question. > > > > Would 1 x 6 be wide enough for the dual mainline > > sections? > > > > I planned on about 3 inch (center to center) with > > about 1 5/8 between the wall and the center of the > > closest track. > > > > |<---- 3 ---- >| | Wall > > | | | > > |-I--|--I-|____|-I--|--I-|__| > > | |<-1.6->| > > |_1x6_______________________| > > > > Any other tips are welcome. > > > > ===== > > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > > Photography - Computers - Trains > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25136	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Baby Bobber Caboose

You guys may laugh at this. A couple days ago I was at a trains shop and picked up a cheap ($2.95) toy "Bachmann Gnome" caboose. This is a cheap kids toy with a simple plastic base and wheels. I thought it looked pretty close to "S". When I got home I looked through my junk box and came up with enough parts to make a baby bobber using AF running gear. It sure itsn't prototypical, but it looks good with my converted ON30 Bachmann freight cars. I put a couple photos in my album on Paul Yorke's S gallery here: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album46 Whaddya think? Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25137	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose

***(((You guys may laugh at this.)))*** http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album46 Steve,....I love it!! Tooo funny!! You did the weathering on it I assume?? And did ya paint it?? Looks good!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25138	From: rkuepper	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose

Laugh, heck, Steve! It's TOY TRAINS, after all!! Great job. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...> To: "S- Trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose > You guys may laugh at this. > > A couple days ago I was at a trains shop and picked up a cheap ($2.95) > toy "Bachmann Gnome" caboose. This is a cheap kids toy with a simple > plastic base and wheels. I thought it looked pretty close to "S". When > I got home I looked through my junk box and came up with enough parts to > make a baby bobber using AF running gear. > > It sure itsn't prototypical, but it looks good with my converted ON30 > Bachmann freight cars. I put a couple photos in my album on Paul > Yorke's S gallery here: > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album46 > > Whaddya think? > > Steve Blancard > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25139	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1830

1237 Tube, Yes I used the wrong A.F. part number. PA10830 is the 117n7 used it the whistle control. The tube for the #14 rectiformer is a special tube made only for Gilbert be Sylvania. Thanks for the input Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25140	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose

Shades of the ToonerVille Trolly :-) -----Original Message----- From: Steve Blancard [mailto:splitdorf@...] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:08 PM To: S- Trains list Subject: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose You guys may laugh at this. A couple days ago I was at a trains shop and picked up a cheap ($2.95) toy "Bachmann Gnome" caboose. This is a cheap kids toy with a simple plastic base and wheels. I thought it looked pretty close to "S". When I got home I looked through my junk box and came up with enough parts to make a baby bobber using AF running gear. It sure itsn't prototypical, but it looks good with my converted ON30 Bachmann freight cars. I put a couple photos in my album on Paul Yorke's S gallery here: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album46 Whaddya think? Steve Blancard S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25141	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, March 30, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25142	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose

That is just too much! I woulda never thought to do a project like that. Bravo! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: S-Trains Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose ***(((You guys may laugh at this.)))*** http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album46 Steve,....I love it!! Tooo funny!! You did the weathering on it I assume?? And did ya paint it?? Looks good!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25143	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: AF Floodlight Cars

Aside from the cosmetic condition of the cars, I would de-gunk and shine up the metal wheels, using alcohol to de-gunk and about 600 grit sandpaper to shine the wheels, then 1200 grit sandpaper to polish them. If they are pitted, I might want to pull them off the axels and replace them with new brass repro wheels. Or first, I might try pulling the plastic wheels off, chuck up the axel in my drill press and try to de-pit the metal wheels with first a small flat jeweler's file (easy does it - brass is soft) being careful not to score the flange, then wrap the sandpaper around the file and polish. Before replacing the wheels, I'd clean the axel wipers with fine grit sandpaper and make sure all electrical connections are good, replacing the bulb if burned out. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: John Harvey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Floodlight Cars I own several AF floodlight cars dating from the link coupler era. They are in various states of repair or disrepair. Does anyone have suggestions to make the light shine steadily and brightly? Kind Regards, John Harvey brigadie@... *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. *************************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25144	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: unknown

That is very interesting, Rhett. I have not had results like that , and I fooled around with it some on my last layout. For instance, I had my old whistling billboard wired so the light and the motor were controlled by two separate linked, in phase transformers so the light wouldn't blink when the whistle blew. It worked, too. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25145	From: Euell Johnson	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement

This is a story that has many sides. I fully understand a business needing to protect its good name. Copyright and trademark law is full of cases where these marks have not be fully and properly defended. Take ASPIRIN by Bayer as an example. On the other hand, model railroading is far different than the actual movement of real freight and passengers. Does this mean that SHS, AM and K-Line will have to pay royalties on the cars and sets they sell? Another example is MUSTANG. North American made the P-51 during WWII. Ford produces an automobile with that name. Did or does either of these two collect a royalty from the MUSTANG RANCH? Does the survivor to the PACKARD automobile collect a royalty for the HP name, Packard Electric products, etc? Just exactly how far does copyright and trademark protection go? Seems that the "fairest way" to have settled this is for UP to have "licensed" ODD BALL to produce high quality decals intended for use in the model train market for a nominal fee of $1. By the way, many of the "brands" that UP is defended are defunct. I think UP has lost the public relations war on this one! bigfoot ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: UP licensing agreement > Sorry, but I'll have to disagree here. I own a business and we have > had to aggressively pursue those who seek to imitate our logo > or "borrow" company name, probably 20 times in the last 15 years. > The only reason they do this is to get instant "credibility" from > our years of integrity and goodwill -- by illegally "borrowing" > our name in an effort to confuse consumers. It cost us big bucks to > establish an identifiable brand over those 15 years and it is our > responsibility to defend it to maintain its value. > > I do agree that the virtual pennies Union Pacific will gain from a > company like Oddballs Decals is both minuscule and irrelevant. But > UP has to include everyone, large and small -- for legal reasons. In > our often too-litigious society, a good defense against a copyright, > trade dress or brand infringement lawsuit is "but you are letting so- > and-so do it without paying." If a company that does millions of > dollars a year in business (i.e., Lionel) using the UP brand and > logos chose not to pay the licensing fees, UP would have a hard > time going to court and collecting if a multitude of smaller users > were allowed to ride free. So everyone is required to pay. > > One of the main things (maybe the only thing) that makes a piece of > model railroad rolling stock different from others emerging from the > same molds IS the railroad name and heralds. So I don't have a > problem with UP getting a few cents off each product because its > name and herald is what makes the product attractive to buyers. I > see talk here about the difference in values for things like LTI/AF > SP Daylight and NP sets. It's the railroad name, heralds and colors > that primarily sets them apart, in addition to their scarcity -- > which goes right back to the heralds and color schemes that identify > them. Otherwise, they're all the same trains and would not have a > difference in value. That's also why the dreaded forged "repaints" > making common cars "rare" are such an issue to collectors. I haven't > seen any instances of forged 630 cabooses, for example. > > Frankly, I have been surprised that more current and defunct rail > lines haven't/don't do this. And regarding the logos of > professional sports teams and colleges, the name and distinct color > scheme is the ONLY thing that makes an otherwise ordinary product > attractive. To use someone else's brand, copyrights, trademarks or > trade dress without a licensing agreement is stealing, plain and > simple. And the pro sports leagues and colleges actively pursue > violators in court and always win. They own the color schemes and > logos and are free to do with them as they wish (licensing). It is > no different that the growing number of cases of identity theft we > keep hearing about. > > Oddballs Decals isn't simply selling a decal in this case. They're > selling a set of logos, heralds and brands owned by someone else > who paid a lot of money to establish them. If the shoe were on the > other foot, you'd understand. Makes me wonder why A.C. Gilbert > issued so many items in the early post-war days with no railroad > heralds, just stuff like "American Flyer Lines." > > Phil K > > > ******************************************************************** > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > This is sad about what UP is doing, charging money to companies, > using their > > logo's on products, whether a single sticker, train car, shirt, > mug, etc., > > because they think the logo's will be mis-represented by people. > I believe > > this is what I read in CCT, a few months ago as the reason for > this. And > > the end user, us the consumer, will pay the price for it, as > companies like > > Oddballs Decal, has to past along the additional cost along to the > consumer, > > to cover his cost increase on the products. > > > > First it was major league baseball, charging little league teams > $5 for each > > kid on a team, for using a name of a team's nickmane, like > Yankee's (boo > > hiss, sorry Tom J) or Oriole's. > > > > Now UP, with all the rail lines they own, is doing the same thing. > > > > I think this is just a way to raise additional profits for these > > corporations and baseball, like UP, is a corporation and this will > probably > > be a trend with other types of companies in time. > > > > Mike Marmer > > Germantown, MD > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25146	From: robert allen conner	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement

As I understand it...yes they do...Ole AC was smart...He would put their names on things IF IT MADE HIM A BUCK!!!! Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Euell Johnson" <bigfoot@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: UP licensing agreement > This is a story that has many sides. I fully understand a business needing > to protect its good name. Copyright and trademark law is full of cases where > these marks have not be fully and properly defended. Take ASPIRIN by Bayer > as an example. On the other hand, model railroading is far different than > the actual movement of real freight and passengers. Does this mean that SHS, > AM and K-Line will have to pay royalties on the cars and sets they sell? > > Another example is MUSTANG. North American made the P-51 during WWII. Ford > produces an automobile with that name. Did or does either of these two > collect a royalty from the MUSTANG RANCH? > > Does the survivor to the PACKARD automobile collect a royalty for the HP > name, Packard Electric products, etc? > > Just exactly how far does copyright and trademark protection go? Seems that > the "fairest way" to have settled this is for UP to have "licensed" ODD BALL > to produce high quality decals intended for use in the model train market > for a nominal fee of $1. By the way, many of the "brands" that UP is > defended are defunct. I think UP has lost the public relations war on this > one! > > bigfoot > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:19 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: UP licensing agreement > > > > Sorry, but I'll have to disagree here. I own a business and we have > > had to aggressively pursue those who seek to imitate our logo > > or "borrow" company name, probably 20 times in the last 15 years. > > The only reason they do this is to get instant "credibility" from > > our years of integrity and goodwill -- by illegally "borrowing" > > our name in an effort to confuse consumers. It cost us big bucks to > > establish an identifiable brand over those 15 years and it is our > > responsibility to defend it to maintain its value. > > > > I do agree that the virtual pennies Union Pacific will gain from a > > company like Oddballs Decals is both minuscule and irrelevant. But > > UP has to include everyone, large and small -- for legal reasons. In > > our often too-litigious society, a good defense against a copyright, > > trade dress or brand infringement lawsuit is "but you are letting so- > > and-so do it without paying." If a company that does millions of > > dollars a year in business (i.e., Lionel) using the UP brand and > > logos chose not to pay the licensing fees, UP would have a hard > > time going to court and collecting if a multitude of smaller users > > were allowed to ride free. So everyone is required to pay. > > > > One of the main things (maybe the only thing) that makes a piece of > > model railroad rolling stock different from others emerging from the > > same molds IS the railroad name and heralds. So I don't have a > > problem with UP getting a few cents off each product because its > > name and herald is what makes the product attractive to buyers. I > > see talk here about the difference in values for things like LTI/AF > > SP Daylight and NP sets. It's the railroad name, heralds and colors > > that primarily sets them apart, in addition to their scarcity -- > > which goes right back to the heralds and color schemes that identify > > them. Otherwise, they're all the same trains and would not have a > > difference in value. That's also why the dreaded forged "repaints" > > making common cars "rare" are such an issue to collectors. I haven't > > seen any instances of forged 630 cabooses, for example. > > > > Frankly, I have been surprised that more current and defunct rail > > lines haven't/don't do this. And regarding the logos of > > professional sports teams and colleges, the name and distinct color > > scheme is the ONLY thing that makes an otherwise ordinary product > > attractive. To use someone else's brand, copyrights, trademarks or > > trade dress without a licensing agreement is stealing, plain and > > simple. And the pro sports leagues and colleges actively pursue > > violators in court and always win. They own the color schemes and > > logos and are free to do with them as they wish (licensing). It is > > no different that the growing number of cases of identity theft we > > keep hearing about. > > > > Oddballs Decals isn't simply selling a decal in this case. They're > > selling a set of logos, heralds and brands owned by someone else > > who paid a lot of money to establish them. If the shoe were on the > > other foot, you'd understand. Makes me wonder why A.C. Gilbert > > issued so many items in the early post-war days with no railroad > > heralds, just stuff like "American Flyer Lines." > > > > Phil K > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > > This is sad about what UP is doing, charging money to companies, > > using their > > > logo's on products, whether a single sticker, train car, shirt, > > mug, etc., > > > because they think the logo's will be mis-represented by people. > > I believe > > > this is what I read in CCT, a few months ago as the reason for > > this. And > > > the end user, us the consumer, will pay the price for it, as > > companies like > > > Oddballs Decal, has to past along the additional cost along to the > > consumer, > > > to cover his cost increase on the products. > > > > > > First it was major league baseball, charging little league teams > > $5 for each > > > kid on a team, for using a name of a team's nickmane, like > > Yankee's (boo > > > hiss, sorry Tom J) or Oriole's. > > > > > > Now UP, with all the rail lines they own, is doing the same thing. > > > > > > I think this is just a way to raise additional profits for these > > > corporations and baseball, like UP, is a corporation and this will > > probably > > > be a trend with other types of companies in time. > > > > > > Mike Marmer > > > Germantown, MD > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25147	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose

Use a small solderin tip, heat the head of one pin while applying a prying pressure to that corner of the floor, when the rivet is warm enough, the floor will pull away from the body. Remove the pin and do the other four corners, then just lift the body off the floor. To replace, put the floor in the body, put a pin in one corner, you should be able to "twirl" it a bit to find the point where it will go in more easily--your fitting the ridges formed in the plastic to the ridges in the pin. Take hot soldering tip, place on head of pin and push pin in. I will go in easily when it is just warm enough. Remove soldering tip and go to the other three pins. By putting them in this way, you are stressing the plastic the least. When the bodies were new, the plastic more easily deformed to the pin, but now that it is old, the plastic is more likely to crack than deform. You are basically "melting" the pin into its hole. Split holes can be fixed with super glue. Check older Dispatchs for my article on this (Blatent plug) BTW, my column is sorta on hiatus while I am moving, can't find much of anything around here right now! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25148	From: TCS	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Price increase on April 1, 2003

This is a mass email to everyone in my address book, the rest of the addresses are BCC so you don't see them. The other day I increase my decal prices too much, so they are now lowered by 25 cents each. Below are the new prices. Prefix # 60- N SCALE $3.50 Prefix # 87- HO SCALE $3.50 Prefix # 64- S SCALE $6.75 Prefix # 48- O SCALE $6.75 Prefix # 29- G SCALE email for prices. except as noted at end of road name on the web page and catalog. P&H $1.75 per order. Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals www.oddballsdecals.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25149	From: firex43	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: 630 Caboose Shell Removal

The best way I've found to remove the pins on Flyer cars is to use a pair of flush cutting nippers such as sold by Radio Shack. These nippers have a flat side to the jaws; place nippers flat side down on the chassis and squeeze together on the underside of the head of the pin and wiggle and lift the pin free. The angled jaws of the nippers act like a small pry bar. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25150	From: waldootten	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement

Hokay, let's take them one at a time... >>Take ASPIRIN by Bayer as an example.<< Aspirin is the name of a drug compound, perhaps once was copyrighted when it first appeared about 100 years ago(?), copyright has long since expired as they do expire after X-number of years and renewals. But the word "Bayer" is a trademark and brand and is protected. >>On the other hand, model railroading is far different than the actual movement of real freight and passengers. Does this mean that SHS, AM and K-Line will have to pay royalties on the cars and sets they sell?<< They are still "trains" modeled after prototypes. So, yes. But right now, only to Union Pacific. >> Another example is MUSTANG. North American made the P-51 during WWII. Ford produces an automobile with that name. Did or does either of these two collect a royalty from the MUSTANG RANCH?<< Not at all. But Ford is allowed to and has copyrighted MUSTANG as it applies to automobiles. The same with with the P-51 Mustang among airplanes. >> Does the survivor to the PACKARD automobile collect a royalty for the HP name, Packard Electric products, etc?<< Again, no. Unless it applies to PACKARD in an automotive sense. >> Just exactly how far does copyright and trademark protection go? Seems that the "fairest way" to have settled this is for UP to have "licensed" ODD BALL to produce high quality decals intended for use in the model train market for a nominal fee of $1. By the way, many of the "brands" that UP is defended are defunct. I think UP has lost the public relations war on this one!<< Try this link. Has some helpful information: http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html Phil K ********************************************************************* > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:19 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: UP licensing agreement > > > > Sorry, but I'll have to disagree here. I own a business and we have > > had to aggressively pursue those who seek to imitate our logo > > or "borrow" company name, probably 20 times in the last 15 years. > > The only reason they do this is to get instant "credibility" from > > our years of integrity and goodwill -- by illegally "borrowing" > > our name in an effort to confuse consumers. It cost us big bucks to > > establish an identifiable brand over those 15 years and it is our > > responsibility to defend it to maintain its value. > > > > I do agree that the virtual pennies Union Pacific will gain from a > > company like Oddballs Decals is both minuscule and irrelevant. But > > UP has to include everyone, large and small -- for legal reasons. In > > our often too-litigious society, a good defense against a copyright, > > trade dress or brand infringement lawsuit is "but you are letting so- > > and-so do it without paying." If a company that does millions of > > dollars a year in business (i.e., Lionel) using the UP brand and > > logos chose not to pay the licensing fees, UP would have a hard > > time going to court and collecting if a multitude of smaller users > > were allowed to ride free. So everyone is required to pay. > > > > One of the main things (maybe the only thing) that makes a piece of > > model railroad rolling stock different from others emerging from the > > same molds IS the railroad name and heralds. So I don't have a > > problem with UP getting a few cents off each product because its > > name and herald is what makes the product attractive to buyers. I > > see talk here about the difference in values for things like LTI/AF > > SP Daylight and NP sets. It's the railroad name, heralds and colors > > that primarily sets them apart, in addition to their scarcity -- > > which goes right back to the heralds and color schemes that identify > > them. Otherwise, they're all the same trains and would not have a > > difference in value. That's also why the dreaded forged "repaints" > > making common cars "rare" are such an issue to collectors. I haven't > > seen any instances of forged 630 cabooses, for example. > > > > Frankly, I have been surprised that more current and defunct rail > > lines haven't/don't do this. And regarding the logos of > > professional sports teams and colleges, the name and distinct color > > scheme is the ONLY thing that makes an otherwise ordinary product > > attractive. To use someone else's brand, copyrights, trademarks or > > trade dress without a licensing agreement is stealing, plain and > > simple. And the pro sports leagues and colleges actively pursue > > violators in court and always win. They own the color schemes and > > logos and are free to do with them as they wish (licensing). It is > > no different that the growing number of cases of identity theft we > > keep hearing about. > > > > Oddballs Decals isn't simply selling a decal in this case. They're > > selling a set of logos, heralds and brands owned by someone else > > who paid a lot of money to establish them. If the shoe were on the > > other foot, you'd understand. Makes me wonder why A.C. Gilbert > > issued so many items in the early post-war days with no railroad > > heralds, just stuff like "American Flyer Lines." > > > > Phil K > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > > > This is sad about what UP is doing, charging money to companies, > > using their > > > logo's on products, whether a single sticker, train car, shirt, > > mug, etc., > > > because they think the logo's will be mis-represented by people. > > I believe > > > this is what I read in CCT, a few months ago as the reason for > > this. And > > > the end user, us the consumer, will pay the price for it, as > > companies like > > > Oddballs Decal, has to past along the additional cost along to the > > consumer, > > > to cover his cost increase on the products. > > > > > > First it was major league baseball, charging little league teams > > $5 for each > > > kid on a team, for using a name of a team's nickmane, like > > Yankee's (boo > > > hiss, sorry Tom J) or Oriole's. > > > > > > Now UP, with all the rail lines they own, is doing the same thing. > > > > > > I think this is just a way to raise additional profits for these > > > corporations and baseball, like UP, is a corporation and this will > > probably > > > be a trend with other types of companies in time. > > > > > > Mike Marmer > > > Germantown, MD > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25151	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/30/2003
Subject: Choo-Choo Auctions hacked !!!

Well,..I guess I'm not the only one.....I see that Choo-Choo auctions is closed for a short spell due to they were hacked!!! Gads,...I can't even bid THERE!!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25152	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Trolley Conversion

Has anyone converted a 0N3 Bachamann Trolley? Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25153	From: John Harvey	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Repair of Switch Bases

Thanks for the suggestions on improving floodlight cars. I also need suggestions on how to repair cracks and chips in the plastic bases of AF switches. What sort of filler can be used and how do you match the shiny black color? Regards, John Harvey email: brigadie@... *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. *************************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25154	From: Tim Brown	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Repair of Switch Bases

I would try some JB Weld, 1200 grit sandpaper to smooth it after it dries, then touch up with a black magic marker. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: John Harvey To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Repair of Switch Bases Thanks for the suggestions on improving floodlight cars. I also need suggestions on how to repair cracks and chips in the plastic bases of AF switches. What sort of filler can be used and how do you match the shiny black color? Regards, John Harvey email: brigadie@... *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. *************************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25155	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Track Wiring 101

I wish to thank all of you who responded to my bus bar question, both on this list and via direct e-mail. Based on your responses, the bus bar idea is dead. I'll proceed with the traditional bus lines and feeder wires. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25156	From: David Engle	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement

What about CSXT?? They started about the same things several years ago--are there any differences? Ah, the fallen flags. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25157	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Current status of the IATR

March 24, 2003 To all: I just returned from IATR and have this to report: 1. 50 is alive and well. She was on the 'East' end doing active switching last week. 2. 51 is alive and well. She was on the 'West' end doing active switching last week. East and West are relative terms. The mainline runs East-West. They have industries with both leading and trailing switches. They pull the freight cars from the interchanges using the 'West' locomotive. Once on the mainline, they split the cars and the 'East' locomotive grabs her cars and away they go: each locomotive working their respective trailing switches. When I left town on Saturday morning, the 'East' and 'West' locomotives were both on the mainline in Mason City about 500 feet apart. 3. 54 is alive and well. She is in the shop and spent last week getting a new coat of paint. It was not complete on Friday. 4. 60 is alive and well. She too was in the shop for a new coat of paint. Her last coat, an UV clear coat, has been applied and she was drying. Today (three days later) she might have gone back to work. 5. 727 is resting in the shop. The bearing has not been repaired. Right now they are figuring out why the destination signs do not light up. She is at the bottom of the everyone's work list so when she will be complete is anyone's guess. Dave hopes to run her this summer. She is now owned outright by Iowa Traction with no strings attached. 6. 33 is stored in the shop. She has not move nor turned a wheel in 15 years. The dust on the trucks is thick. 7. 53 is stored inside an on-line building. She has not moved in several years. The switch to the siding she is on is spiked for the mainline. 8. The Pandal-Jackson (sp), diesel powered, tamper/aligner is in the West shop and her rebuild continues. Right now it is getting the air conditioner tuned up. Dave is hoping to use this machine this summer. March 31, 2003. I have been so busy I haven't even finished this e-mail. 54 and 60 are complete. They were rolled out of the shop and the pole raised on 54. She immediately showed problems on her roof as the boards the poles were mounted to had rotted. They have been replaced and both locomotives are fully active. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25158	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose

Great job Steve, you're my find'a moldeler. Very creative, the lead flat carwith the the 0-4-4 Porter ??, looks great too!!!. Where did you get the tie-down chain ?? I see it listed as ship model supplies from people like Tower Hobbies ???? Thanks to advise sources. HSJ-NASG "SteveJay"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25159	From: splitdorf@1bigred.com	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose

No need for fancy-shmancy overpriced chain from a hobby shop. The chain is nothing more than cheap necklace chain available at a K-mart or Walmart jewelry counter. Comes on a roll, you buy it by the foot. There are a couple more photos in the Files section here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Bachmann%20ON30%20Conversion/ Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Howell S Jobbins Sent: 3/31/2003 11:08:32 AM To: splitdorf@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose > Great job Steve, you're my find'a moldeler. Very creative, the lead flat > carwith the the 0-4-4 Porter ??, looks great too!!!. Where did you get > the tie-down chain ?? I see it listed as ship model supplies from people > like Tower Hobbies ???? Thanks to advise sources. HSJ-NASG > "SteveJay"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25160	From: trzp1800	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose/body removal

Hi Rick: Don't know where i saw this trick, but it works most of the time. Take a soldering iron and heat the rivit for, oh, 10 seconds or so. Then you quickly grip the rivit and it will "most of the time" slip right out. I find it works best the quicker you grip the rivit after you heat it. Be careful not to melt the steps. Regards, Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > ***((( How to I take the body off of my caboose? When I look at the bottom > I see brass rivets in the corners. Do I have to break the plastic > body off of the chassie or is there a " trick " to removing it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25161	From: trzp1800	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: 630 Caboose/body removal

Guess i should read the whole list before i answer anything. Appears i learned my trick from David. Thanks David!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25162	From: beechcricker	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing agreement

> What about CSXT?? They started about the same things several years > ago--are there any differences? And I believe Chessie System tried to enforce their cat herald trademark with model RR types and probably others. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25163	From: theheadliner	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Repair of Switch Bases

John, Best thing to use is resin filler, available at a good lumber yard. The item you are trying to repair is bakelite, if they lare like mine. You use a heat source to melt the resin and let ir drip into the crack. it can then be sanded and polished down. If you take care, no one will ever know there was a crack there. Jerry Hiett --- On Mon 03/31, John Harvey < brigadie@... > wrote: From: John Harvey [mailto: brigadie@...] Subject: [S-Trains] Repair of Switch Bases Thanks for the suggestions on improving floodlight cars.I also need suggestions on how to repair cracks and chips in the plastic bases of AF switches. What sort of filler can be used and how do you match the shiny black color? Regards, John Harvey brigadie@... _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25164	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Current status of the IATR

Dear Steve: IATR is the reporting marks for the Iowa Traction Railroad. This ten mile long shortline was incorporated in 1896 as the Mason City and Clear Lake (MC&CL). This trolley line was freight and passenger from the beginning. (85 foot steam line passenger cars were accepted from the steam connections in Mason City and hauled to the lake resort 10 miles west.) In 1936 busses were substituted for the trolleys but electric freight continued. In 1960 the railroad entered its second age when it was sold and became the Iowa Terminal (ITR). In 1987 the third age began when it was sold to become the Iowa Traction (IATR). In 1896 they ran under 650 volt trolley wire. In 2003 they are still running under 650 volt trolley wire. Today it is a profitable trolley line. It is also one of two common carrier trolley lines left in the country. East Troy, WI is the other and their freight business spent a number of years dieselized, which hasn't happened in Mason City. (The Pearl Brewery line in Texas is intact but hasn't run since the brewery shut down in 2001.) The youngest piece of equipment on the IATR was built in 1933. (Car 33). The oldest will soon celebrate 100 years. They are all 600 volt trolley equipment. Freight consists of Jumbo Hoppers, 70 foot mill gons, jumbo and normal tank cars, and 50 foot boxcars. All of these tower over the 34 foot long electrics. I grew up with the Iowa Terminal and am currently writing a book on the subject. I went home to do a week of research. Did I answer your question? Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Boss31@... [mailto:Boss31@...] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:29 PM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Current status of the IATR In a message dated 03/31/2003 9:24:21 AM Mountain Standard Time, thorin.marty@... writes: I just returned from IATR and have this to report: That's nice. What is IATR? Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25165	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: searchlight cars

This post consists of two parts: problems with Gilbert searchlight cars, and suggestions for a modern car, which Lionel could easily produce. I Irregular lighting of a searchlight car is caused by interruptions in the tortured path that electricity has to follow through it. There are two lamp connections, which for lack of better terminology will be referred to as "ground" and "hot". Most searchlight cars are metal bodied: the later plastic bodied cars are slightly different. Dirty wheels, axle ends, and track also contribute to blinking. The most important factor is that pickup wheels and the rails must be clean. In the "ground" connection, so termed because the chassis of the car is connected to it, electricity is supposed to go from the pickup wheels to the axles, to the car sideframe, to the rivet, to the car body, to the yoke, to the yoke screw, to the light housing, to the lamp socket! As my old road podner Youngblood would say, "Whut make it so bad is..." that every single one of these connections is between two different types of metal, so bimetallic corrosion reactions can produce insulating oxides that hinder or block the current flow at each point. In the smaller cars, the hot connection only goes from the wheel to the axle, to the truck frame, to the rivet, to the wire, to the lamp socket. Relatively, a piece of cake, but all bimetallic connections as well. The larger depressed center (love that term!) cars have a "hot" connection with a pickup plate which contacts the truck sideframe and is insulated from the car frame. The hot wire runs from this plate through the yoke to the lamp socket. Dirt on the plate or rust on the truck frame top can interfere with connectivity here. You can of course just accept that your searchlight cars will blink occasionally. They ARE old toys, after all. I don't run mine much, and usually just use them as stationary lighting platforms for my rocket launchers. But for those of you who want to recall WWII and Korean War paranoia, the blinking can be much improved if not eliminated. A reasonable approach is to attack the worst points first and then see what improvement results. There are always ways to improvise solutions; mine are merely suggestions. i mainly want to outline the causes of poor searchlight car performance. The worst interference usually occurs at the joint between the yoke and the car body. This joint can be tightened by judicious peening; better yet, it can be bypassed with a piece of wire running from the grounded truck rivet to the yoke screw. In the smaller flat cars, most of this wire would be hidden by the upper piece of the car body. (In fact, Gilbert produced some searchlight cars like this with two wires; the second wire ran from the grounded truck rivet to an eyelet on the upper body piece. However, this does not jump the problem spot where the yoke is anchored to the upper body piece.) In the depressed center cars, the wire can be soldered to the inner part of the truck frame and run through the center sill (perhaps drill a small hole for it in the cross member), up through the hole where the cable car spool would be attached if there were one, and on to the yoke screw. Use #22 super flex wire, which has more and thinner strands than conventional stranded wire. Another bad spot is the joint between rivet tip and truck, this joint can be wire brushed to bare metal and a drop of solder placed over it to jump the connection. In cars with cast sideframe KC trucks, ACE #4050 bushings can be installed. I have not tried this on a searchlight car due to disinterest, but it would probably help if the above fixes are not satisfactory. The trick with these little bad boys is to spread the sideframe apart without stressing the joint between a cast frame and the truck yoke, by bending only one side of the truck yoke. It also helps to slide the plastic wheel on a pickup wheelset inwards. This decreases the omount that the sideframe needs to be spread. Once these things are done, other faults can be searched for if present. The yoke screws can be cleaned and their holes in the globe as well, for instance. Murphy's law applies to searchlight cars. II It would be interesting to apply a constant lighting circuit to a searchlight car. It would also be interesting to have its light controlled by a DCC circuit. And finally, it would be interesting to combine a Lionel vibrotor mechanism with the Gilbert car to make the light rotate. This function could also be controlled by DCC. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25166	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Testing!

This is a test to see if I get Yahoo emails again. David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25167	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Trolley Conversion

Contact Tom at PA Heritage Models (Tom@...). I know he offered them, although they are not on their website. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/ Gregg Mummert >Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:23:10 -0800 (PST) > From: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> >Subject: Trolley Conversion > >Has anyone converted a 0N3 Bachamann Trolley? > >Jim Sleeth > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25168	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Trolley Conversion

Tom made one for Robin this past Christmas. He also took two sections of our track and cut a gap in the rail and added a diode which we used on each end of the line with one of our new bumpers. When used with a timer with a automatic reverse polarity switch (Tom also provided this to us too) that was added to our ART-5400 DC power pack, the trolley would run back and forth on a point to point layout. It was pretty neat and we had a lot of nice comments. Don Gregg Mummert wrote: >Contact Tom at PA Heritage Models (Tom@...). I know he >offered them, although they are not on their website. >http://www.paheritagemodels.com/ > >Gregg Mummert > > > > > > >>Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:23:10 -0800 (PST) >> From: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> >>Subject: Trolley Conversion >> >>Has anyone converted a 0N3 Bachamann Trolley? >> >>Jim Sleeth >> >> >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25169	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1833

Around the room layout: I have a 1"-0" shelf around the room, this allows for 2 main lines with one line 9" above and varies making tunnels for the lower loops. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25170	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: I'm BAAACK!!

Well, my ISP relented and I am now getting email from both S-trains and S-scale! Now to get back to packing boxes. S' David PS Flyer Fest West, May 3 & 4, be there or be O! www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/festwest4info.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25171	From: waldootten	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: 293 wiring question

I have a 293 that has the fifth wire. In neutral, the headlight burns bright. But in FWD and REV, it is very dim and the loco refuses to smoke, although it runs great. I am replacing the wick and wire in the smoke unit, but does anyone have an idea why the light would be so dim in neutral? Then I got a surprise. I removed the motor assembly from the boiler, ran it on a stationary test track (using JAK bearing sets) and the doggone light burned bright in neutral, FWD and REV. Maybe a short? Where should I look? Any ideas? Thanks, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25172	From: softmoods@vcn.com	Date: 3/31/2003
Subject: Excursion Announcement - List Off Topic

Hi All, Please hit the Delete Key, if a Steam Excursion Announcement is not for you and my apologies for the bandwidth use, other wise continue: On behalf of the Sherman Hill Model Railroad Club, Inc, of Cheyenne, Wyoming, It's my privilege and honor to make the following Steam Excursion announcement: 2003 Steam Excursion with Union Pacific Challenger # 3985 Route: Cheyenne to South Morrill and Return - 230 miles / about 10 hours Subdivisions: Sidney, Yoder, North Platte and Powder River *** CERTIFIED RARE MILEAGE RIDE *** Date: 12 July 2003 Time: 9:00 am until about 7:00 pm ( Guess ) Run-By's: Several planed - Both Directions Ticket Classes and Prices: Regular Coach Seat - Before 30 April $ 175.00 ea Regular Coach Seat - After 1 May $ 225.00 ea Regular Dome Seat $ 300.00 ea First Class Coach Seat $ 300.00 ea First Class Dome Seat $ 400.00 ea Executive Class Car $ 500.00 ea Friday Evening Reception - Before 30 June $ 25.00 ea Friday Evening Reception - After 1 July $ 35.00 ea Rare Mileage Certificate $ 10.00 ea Excursion Tee - Shirt ( Lg / XLg / XXLg ) $ 20.00 ea Excursion Ball Cap ( One Size Fits All ) $ 15.00 ea Cab Ride Raffle - Last Photo Run-By out to Egbert $ 10.00 ea Seat Reimbursement - Maximum of 1 Seat $ 10.00 ea VISA / MASTER CARD / AMERICAN EXPRESS / DISCOVERS Cards accepted For complete Excursion and Ticket Information, check out the clubs web site at: www.shermanhillmrrc.org/excursion Please read the General Information, Rules and Policies page, pertaining to the Excursion. All the Ticket information ( ie what is included with each Ticket ) will be found on this page. Please feel free to pass this Information along to other E-Mail Lists or Fellow Club Members - Newsletters. This Fund Raising effort is being conducted in an effort to raise funds for a permanent club house location, that could grow to include a Rail Museum and Event Center. Thank you for your time and band width in this matter. Robert Sherwood, President Sherman Hill Model Railroad Club, Cheyenne, Wyoming www.shermanhillmrrc.org shmrc@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25173	From: jack nichol	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Estate Sale of postwar Flyer

Hi! I thought I'd pass on the following info. I will be receiving a collection of postwar Flyer next week or the week after. To sign up for an update on condition, price, etc, please visit: http://nick.jeraldo.com:8080/db.asp The lot consists of: 21920/1 24016 boxed 21139 21918/1 24859 24863 24866 24856 21927 789 954 21106 772 24413 24124 21088 24109 and about 30 other items. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25174	From: Ted Larson	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: church

The caption for the BTS church shown in the Feb. Dispatch says it would fit in a logging or mining town. Its use is broader than that. I have seen many similar churches in several parts of the US, both out in the country and in small towns, including my home town of 1800 population. Ted Larson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25175	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: 293 wiring question

If it runs well out of the shell, but not in the shell, then there may be a short to the shell, two wires pressing together at a bare spot or even possibly a loose solder connection. I've used a bit of tape or heavy paper stock to insulate the top of the field, lamp socket or other places where I've felt such a short occurred and have noticed that sometimes the Gilbert factory has done the same. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: waldootten To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 293 wiring question I have a 293 that has the fifth wire. In neutral, the headlight burns bright. But in FWD and REV, it is very dim and the loco refuses to smoke, although it runs great. I am replacing the wick and wire in the smoke unit, but does anyone have an idea why the light would be so dim in neutral? Then I got a surprise. I removed the motor assembly from the boiler, ran it on a stationary test track (using JAK bearing sets) and the doggone light burned bright in neutral, FWD and REV. Maybe a short? Where should I look? Any ideas? Thanks, Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25176	From: David	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: 293 wiring question

Sounds like you have a pinched wire when the boiler is on. Also, its possible the lug where the wore is soldered on is contacting the boiler. Look for pinched insulation on the leads, and put a piece of electrical tape over the solder lugs on top of the smoker before reassembly and see if that helps. ALWAYS LOOKING TO BUY AURORA HO SLOT CARS FROM THE 60'S!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25177	From: AF336	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: 293 wiring question

A possibility that has not been mentioned is this: When the reverse unit is in neutral there is no current going to the motor. You may actually have a motor that is requireing excess amps. It is natural for this to occur in some degree for even a healthy motor. If there were really a pinched wire in the front portion of the shell it would cause a problem either with the motor in the circuit or not. If you use a volt meter to supply the same voltage to the track with the with the reverse unit in netural and in gear and you see a great drop in the level of brightness in the bulb it is also possible that there is a high resistance connection somewhere between the contact at the rails of the tender and the motor itself. With a volt meter you can probe for voltage drops at different sections of the wire and wherever you find the highest drop is the poorest section of wiring. The nice thing about finding high resistance connections via voltage drop is you do not have to unsolder any connections. If you wish to check a drop to the middle of a wire section you can stick a straight pin into the insulation and apply the voltmeter probe there. Very little current flow is required to supply a signal to the voltmeter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 293 wiring question > I have a 293 that has the fifth wire. In neutral, the headlight > burns bright. But in FWD and REV, it is very dim and the loco > refuses to smoke, although it runs great. I am replacing the wick > and wire in the smoke unit, but does anyone have an idea why the > light would be so dim in neutral? > > Then I got a surprise. I removed the motor assembly from the boiler, > ran it on a stationary test track (using JAK bearing sets) and the > doggone light burned bright in neutral, FWD and REV. Maybe a short? > Where should I look? Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25178	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: 293 question

I would suggest you take apart the motor and clean it thoroughly. Pay special attention to the brush tubes and commutator slots. Alos look for a loose drive wheel tire causing an intermittent short, and a short through the drawbar. Test this latter by touching a wire from the drawbar to the loco body. If the motor slows down, that is what you have. Probably caused by a degraded tender truck rivet bushing. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25181	From: Al	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: AF track diameter

Guys, I have a couple of simple questions: 1) What is the exact diameter of AF track to the using the center of the track from one side to the other? 2) What grade is the AF ornage plastic trestles? What is the high point on the regular set of 24 trestles - my guess is a 4.5 inch rise through the first 12 trestles. Thanks, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25182	From: John Brockmann	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: April CTT-Where is it?

Ok Folks, am I blind? Where is the flyer trackplan in the April issue of CTT? It is mentioned on the front cover but I have not found it. "Vision going in Illinois",John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25183	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: April CTT-Where is it?

John, The only 8 x 12 is on page #77 But it is not "S" Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25184	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: SHS Open House

All, This is directed to those fortunate folks who were able to attend the SHS "Open House" last weekend. To date, I have only seen one brief post regarding this event on the s-trains list. Was there any hot news concerning the E unit and steam engine projects? Any hint of passenger car production from SHS? "Inquiring minds need to know." 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25185	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: April CTT-Where is it?

I too fell into that trap!!!!! what they mean is "There is an American Flyer Layout in this issue AND A Lionel layout also.....THERE AIN"T NO FLYER LAYOUT!!!! Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] April CTT-Where is it? > Ok Folks, am I blind? Where is the flyer trackplan in the April issue > of CTT? It is mentioned on the front cover but I have not found > it. "Vision going in Illinois",John B. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25186	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: 1:64 Horse Drawn Wagon

In my ongoing quest for accessories to go with my custom Franklins and old time train theme I have come up with some nice horse drawn wagons. I have placed some photos in my album on Paul Yorke's site here: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album46 Go to the "S scale wagons' folder to see the first one I have done. It began life a Lledo "Days Gone" series Polarine oil delivery wagon. Lledo has made quite a variety of horse drawn wagons that all have potential for use in S. Their size varies a little, but all the Days Gone series are close to 1:64. Also, in my Locomotives folder I've added 2 photos of the SIT unit shoehorned into a Franklin tender. This custom Franklin is still in progress, but I'll post more photos as it nears completion. Steve Blancard Crustyfour

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25187	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: CTT WHERE IS IT

You'll Bust your Keaton looking for it. :) Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25188	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: AF track diameter

1) The radius of vintage Flyer track is 20" to the centerline, 19" to the inside of the ties, 21" to the outside of the ties. 2) The height of the rails on vintage Flyer track at 0 elevation is 1/2". The height of the rails of vintage Flyer track at the #12 trestle is 4 5/8". The length of a section of track is 10". It takes 12 sections of track to make the grade on a set of 12 trestles (newer trestle sets had 13 trestles for slightly higher elevation). Let's see how the math works: 4 5/8" less 1/2" = a rise of 4 1/8" (Wait a minute - the height of the #12 trestle is 4 1/4"! That's right, but there is a 1/8" recess from the top to where the track tie actually seats). Twelve sections of track = 120". 4 1/8" divided by 120" = .034 or a 3.4% rise - a VERY steep rise. I don't think even prototype narrow gauge can do THAT. That's my common sense method of measuring the grade. I wonder how that stacks up with the "correct" answer! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Al To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF track diameter Guys, I have a couple of simple questions: 1) What is the exact diameter of AF track to the using the center of the track from one side to the other? 2) What grade is the AF ornage plastic trestles? What is the high point on the regular set of 24 trestles - my guess is a 4.5 inch rise through the first 12 trestles. Thanks, Al S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25189	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Where??

>>Ok Folks, am I blind? Where is the flyer trackplan in the April issue of CTT? It is mentioned on the front cover but I have not found it. "Vision going in Illinois",John B.<< In the center of the book, it's a Flyer layout and HO mix, both on the same layout. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25190	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: 1:64 Horse Drawn Wagon

Thanks for the ideas, Steve. what would we do without Paul?? Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...> To: "S- Trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 1:64 Horse Drawn Wagon > In my ongoing quest for accessories to go with my custom Franklins and > old time train theme I have come up with some nice horse drawn wagons. > I have placed some photos in my album on Paul Yorke's site here: > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album46 > > Go to the "S scale wagons' folder to see the first one I have done. It > began life a Lledo "Days Gone" series Polarine oil delivery wagon. > Lledo has made quite a variety of horse drawn wagons that all have > potential for use in S. Their size varies a little, but all the Days > Gone series are close to 1:64. > > Also, in my Locomotives folder I've added 2 photos of the SIT unit > shoehorned into a Franklin tender. This custom Franklin is still in > progress, but I'll post more photos as it nears completion. > > Steve Blancard > Crustyfour > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25191	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Ebay Lisitngs

Hi All, I have a record setting number (for me) of S Scale and S Gauge trains on Ebay. Included are a Miller Switcher, an A F repainted GP7, a Dayton F Unit A & B set, and an American Models B & O GP35 in new condition. Start here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=480&item=3124511799&r d=1 and click "View Seller's Other Items" for the complete list. I just bought a laptop today and NEED the $$$$. (:->) HELP!! Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25192	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: searchlight cars

I solder a wire onto the rivet of the chassis ground truck, run it into the searchlight, and connect the other end of the wire to the rear of the lamp socket. I remove the lamp socket by using a dremel to remove the ends of the dimples holding the socket into the housing. After the wire is soldered to the back of the socket I hold the socket in place with a dab of epoxy -- although there are probably other ways of holding it in. The wire is hidden beneath the platform on the non depressed center searchlight cars. Can't remember how I concealed the wire on a depressed center car. These were repairs I've done over the years for customers who valued function over collectability. Hope this helps, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25193	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: April CTT-Where is it?

In a message dated 4/1/03 7:26:39 PM, rcon7@... writes: << THERE AIN"T NO FLYER LAYOUT!!!! >> Try page 68. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25194	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/1/2003
Subject: Re: Where??

Whats missleading is the title...something like ( don't have my copy handy) AMERICAN FLYER LAYOUT - 9 x 12 TRACK PLAN.....it makes one think theres a good plan in it...I got FOOLED TOOOOOO...the 9x12 track plan is a lionel layout!!!! Bob conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "JFrederick Roberts" <jfred436@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Where?? > > >>Ok Folks, am I blind? Where is the flyer trackplan in the April issue > of CTT? It is mentioned on the front cover but I have not found > it. "Vision going in Illinois",John B.<< > > In the center of the book, it's a Flyer layout and HO mix, both on the same layout. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25195	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: AF track diameter

Al asked: >1) What is the exact diameter of AF track to the using the center of >the track from one side to the other? According to Gilbert's original track planning templates AND the reproduction template I have, AF curve track radius is 19 inches at the track center. In actual practice, I've found it to be as much as 19 and 1/8th inches at track center. The OFFICIAL spec is 19 inches at center. The 20 inch spec applies to the outside ends of the ties. Apparently that dimension was given to let people know how much outside room they'd have left over when laying a 180 degree curve on a 4' x 8' sheet of plywood. I can't answer you 2nd question, sorry. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25196	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Rex Suburban Plans

Rex Suburban I have a kit with 2 frames and I understand one has to be cut and spliced together some how with the other. Is that right? I'll pay for coping and shipping the plans. Idea. Could a Bachmann On3 frame be used instead? Thanks Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25197	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: A.F. Floodlight Car conductivity /enhancement

On mine, I use a minute toothpick dab of common automotive type "anti- seize" compound to increase conductivity. Apply very, very sparingly with the tip of a toothpick to axle wiper contact points and into the axle ends. Really helps to improve the intensity and steadfastness of the light beam while the car is rolling or standing still on a siding. The increase in lamp brightness and the decrease in 'flicker' while the car is rolling will amaze you. Also, I understand that there is a newer copper based "anti-sieze" compound now available which could also really improve conductivity. But please note that these are very thick compounds and can add 'drag' to the rolling stock if used in excess. A little dab'L'do'ya. I also use this on my locomotive tenders, the power increase to the engine is very noticeable. Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25198	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: Switch base repair

Hi John. I use PC-7 kneadable epoxy filler from the hardware store for these kind of filling and bonding repairs. Works great and is very strong. As far as cosmetics are concerned, if you 'feather' the compound nicely while still moldable with a wood stick and then surface sand it when the epoxy has set you will have a nice smooth gray/black surface. You could add a bit of 'lamp black' powder (also at a good old hardware store) to color the epoxy when mixing it. But it will only be blacker and not shinier. A expert touch of gloss black lacquer may help to conceal the repair. Then a finish coat of gloss clear lacquer could be sparingly applied to the entire black surface of the switch, a spray can may work well here, and then polish up the rail tops when the finish coat has set. Other than that.........perhaps a well placed portion of model shrubbery can conceal the repaired spot. Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25199	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Current Detector

If anyone on this list is familiar with the Current Detector as sold by Erie Signal Company, I have one I would sell for $20. I will pay the postage. They are good for signals, accessories, etc. Please contact me off list if interested. Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25200	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Cicle of track

I went downstairs this morning and set up a circle of vintage Flyer track. It measured 40" diameter from the center to the center, 38" from inside tie to inside tie and 42" from outside tie to outside tie. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25201	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Bridges

Hi all: Thought I would try again, about a year later. Does anyone know of bridge kits (all types) that are available from anyone for S? I know that we can use most any scale bridges (HO or O) and adjust the dimensions for S, but there are some kits made and I was wondering if any additional ones were available. I got one last year from Rick Hunter of Hunterline in Canada, looks quite nice (I will build it soon!). The one from him is about 5: high by 15" long. I am looking for a larger one, something like 12-15" high, and about 30-35" long. I suppose it can be a trestle type or even one of the deck type bridges, etc. I could free-lance something, but I would rather have some drawings for bents, etc. to follow! (Note: Raisinone metal bridge is a little expensive considering all the other things I would like to buy!). [Also, tx to Bill Fraley who suggested one of the HO Central Valley truss bridges which could be converted to S. Bill, does Central Valley have a website? I tried searching for it but got some other stuff. tx again.] Any other suggestions such as Bill's? Thanks for the help. Regards to all Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25202	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1835

Diameter of Flyer track: The only reference to track dimensions of Flyer track that I have seen is on page 35 How to build and operate a MODEL RAILROADS by Marshall McClintock, Center line diameter calculates to 36 1/2". I have used a center line radius of 19 1/4" with success, A dimension I came up with by measurement and calculation. By measuring a series of track made over time I have found a variations of length in each section of track. Flyer trains are very forgiving and will preform well with a slight misalignment of track. Any one else have some input?? Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25203	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: I'm back on eBay...!!

As of five minutes ago,.....my account on eBay is back up and running!!! Time to bid,bid,bid..and make up for lost time!! OK,...I'll sell a few goodies also!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25204	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] SHS Open House

Dear Jay, Thank you for asking. I have been trying to send this for a few days, but did not have all of the information. Robin, Mike and I would like to thank everyone who attended the open house this past weekend. We were very happy with the turnout and had about the same number of attendees as last year. We were happy to see a few children on Saturday as we did not see any on Friday. Robin's "scratch and dent" sale went very well with just about nothing left at the end of each day. This sale helps us move returns from hobby shops, repair items that have been replaces, mis-matches items, damaged boxed items, and thing that we purchased that did not work out (oversized agricultural flatcar loads comes to mind). Just so that everyone knows, Robin does not put all of the "scratch and dent" items out on Friday, but holds some items for Saturday. These items were not stored at the warehouse, but in our basement. For refreshments, she had several coolers of soda (pop?) and a deli platter with bread and rolls for lunch. Munchies were also provided. On Saturday we also were treated to dessert from Jean Passarette. Jean's Brownies alone were worth the trip. Robin also had door prizes and these were drawn on Saturday afternoon. Some of the items included F-7 A units, and assorted freight cars. She also had a word search contest with prizes. As far as new items, I had the engineering sample for our next 50 ton two bay open top hopper. The prototype of this car is based on the NYC 45000-450994 30'6" offset hopper. We should see these cars in the fall. We had the painting and lettering diagrams for the next run of USRA boxcars (CRRofNJ MOW, MKT (yellow). Milwaukee Road (as delivered with logo on door) and WAG. Next run of reefers URTC-Milwaukee Road (yellow with red logo), Silver Edge Beer, Niblets Corn, Monarch Foods, Columbia Soup and Western Fruit Express (GN). Next run of extended vision caboose, Frisco (red & white), Rock Island (as delivered) D&RGW (new numbers) and CB&Q (next scheme). Next run of SW-1s, CRRofNJ (green with yellow logo), CB&Q (black), GN (as delivered) and EL. We had our 6' X 12' display layout operating as well as the test layout with the new #3 switches engineering samples operating with vintage and "L" flyer. The new #3 switches will feature a moving point frog. This should eliminate having to regauge out of gauge Flyer equipment. We also demonstrated the new uncoupler and AF accessory track. We hope everyone had as good a time as we did hosting this event. Don Jay E. Mellon wrote: >All, >This is directed to those fortunate folks who were able to attend the SHS "Open House" last weekend. To date, I have only seen one brief post regarding this event on the s-trains list. Was there any hot news concerning the E unit and steam engine projects? Any hint of passenger car production from SHS? "Inquiring minds need to know." >'S'incerely, >Jay Mellon >New Orleans, LA > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25205	From: TCS	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Fw: UP Licensing Info

Can anyone shead some more light on this subject. I know we have beaten this to death. So sorry for the off topic post. So please send replys to me off list, as some of the groups I belong to are set to web only. Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals From: "fjhamilton@..." <fred.hamilton@...> To: "TCS" <mopac@...> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: RE: UP Licensing Info Hello, The Model Railroad Industry Association has never had an agreement as you describe with any railroad. If such an agreement were possible, it would have to be negotiated with each railroad. MRIA itself is not a licensee of any logos or trademarks as some of its members are, so it could only negotiate such an agreement with the consent of all MRIA members who have an interest in using trademarks and logos. So far, most companies have chosen to deal with (or not deal with) each railroad as they confront the need to license for their own products. What is not commonly known by model railroaders is that many railroads have had licensing programs for many years. Many model railroad manufacturers have entered into licensing programs with Amtrak, BNSF, Wisconsin Central, New Jersey Transit, Canadian Pacific and others. Non-railroad companies that have negotiated licenses with model railroad companies include Coke, Pepsi, Pillsbury, Gulf, Chevron, Exxon, Conoco, USX and many more. These licenses, many of which have higher fees than those proposed by UP, have had little, or no, effect on the hobby products available or the prices charged for these products. MRIA has kept its members informed about the UP licensing program with articles in two recent issues of our newsletter, The Reporter, as well as three letters since December from the President of MRIA to the members as well as a white paper published last year titled "Trademarks and Trouble" which addressed general issues with using trademarks owned by others. I hope this e-mail answers your questions about licensing and the UP's program. Fred Hamilton Exec. Director, MRIA From: TCS <mopac@... To: <info@... Cc: <kozys@... Date: 3/31/2003 9:18:08 PM Subject: UP Licensing Info MRIA org, I was wondering if you know anything about this?? See below Yeah, but I was thinking maybe there was some sort of written agreement that still exists somewhere that the MRIA could point you to. I found out the MRIA URL is www.MRIA.ORG Anyway, just thought this might be something of a helpful nature if you wanted to follow up. Paul Kossart - (The CB&Q Guy) "Everywhere West"> From: "Paul/Celine Kossart" <kozys@... To: <mopac@...> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:26 PM Subject: UP Licensing Info Tom, I read this on a list and thought maybe it would be something you might want to follow up on. Hope it helps you out! Take care, Paul Kossart - (The CB&Q Guy) Everywhere West" forwarded message follows ................................. I mentioned this UP legal thing to my hobby shop owner. He said many years ago, The Model Railroad Industry Association (MRIA) made a deal with the railroads that their heralds, logo, etc. could be used for hobby purposes with the RR in question retaining the "right of first refusal" if the product using the logo did not meet the company standards. The logo were to appear on railroad related products that the represented the company and its equipment well. Maybe MRIA could shed some light on the subject. I do not know how to contact them. A group where all members are valued! We don't know why you would want to but, to unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Model_Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25206	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: I'm back on eBay...!!

Rick, Three words, Betty Ford, GO! ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25207	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: A.F. Floodlight Car conductivity /enhancement

Sounds like you should be using the Cramolin stuff that Chris helped us buy. it is designed to do this! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25208	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Thanks

Thanks to all who sent info on bridges! I think I have enough ideas to build as many bridges as I will need for infinity! It is great to find so much info with one single question. Thanks again. Regards to all Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25209	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/2/2003
Subject: Re: Cicle of track

The figure for track diameter that I have arrived at (38.25', or 19.125" radius) came initially from assembling a circle of Gilbert AF track and measuring at the center across EACH corresponding pair of joints in the circle. (That's measuring the diameter six different ways.) I cross-checked each measurement, adjusting the circle until all measurements were within 1/16th inch. (I'm no fanatic, y'know.) The distance was between 38.125" and 38.25" That measurement was corroborated when I checked my track planning template, which corresponds to a radius of 19" at track center. The 19.125" figure was corroborated again when I was building the corners of our modular layout. I built a large compass (I hate the pencil-and-string method), set it for 19", and drew a 19" arc from edge to edge of a 90 degree corner mod. I then tried to fit a 90 degree curve of AF track along that line. Sure enough, the track wouldn't quite make it. It aligned with an arc that was slightly larger, about 19.125 inches, well UNDER 20". That's been my experience, yours may vary. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25210	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: Bridges

Hi Rance: Don't know about the kits, but there are a bunch of nice bridges shown on the following thread. Most are HO or N but a copy machine can fix that issue if there are drawings. If you see one you like why not contact the owner and ask about specifics? http://www.the-gauge.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4562 Good Luck. Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bente and Rance <velapoldi@n...> wrote: Does anyone know of > bridge kits (all types) that are available from anyone for S?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25211	From: M.McConnell	Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: 293 wiring question

Phil, I had a 336 with a fifth wire that did something very similar to what you described. One of my fellow club members pointed out the problem to me. The four-prong cable that runs between the tender and boiler is not symmetrical, there is an "up and down" side of the plug. Gilbert put a small dab of red paint on the plug to denote the correct position of the plug, but it was long gone on my engine. By simply reversing the plug, my engine problems disappeared. Perhaps the luck of the draw had you connect the plug in the correct orientation when you tried it without the boiler. Reverse the plug and see if your problems come back. If they do, mark the plug so you know which side is up and try it again with the boiler attached. Michael >Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 06:34:25 -0000 > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> >Subject: 293 wiring question > >I have a 293 that has the fifth wire. In neutral, the headlight >burns bright. But in FWD and REV, it is very dim and the loco >refuses to smoke, although it runs great. I am replacing the wick >and wire in the smoke unit, but does anyone have an idea why the >light would be so dim in neutral? > >Then I got a surprise. I removed the motor assembly from the boiler, >ran it on a stationary test track (using JAK bearing sets) and the >doggone light burned bright in neutral, FWD and REV. Maybe a short? >Where should I look? Any ideas? > >Thanks, > >Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25212	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Someone wanted info on casting tires. This guy may be helpfull

Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 18:49:43 -0000 From: "weird_jack_stinson" <jack.stinson@...> Subject: Re: tips on making cores I've cast a lot of resin wheels and other parts for slot cars over the years. I simply insert an appropriately threaded rod with some release on the threads. I've had no problems at all popping the finished part out of the mold, then unscrewing the rod from it. The resulting threads in the part are clean and well-defined. Works great for wheels! Depending on the resin used, you shouldn't have too many issues with using an appropriate size metal (steel, brass, or aluminum) screw or threaded rod for this. I've used all three metals successfully. I also use plain steel or brass rod inserts in the mold to form sooth sided holes in resin pieces. I've never had a problem with it. WJ Rocket Science Ltd. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25213	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Drill Sizes

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 25214	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: This is my first try on e-bay, Can use your feed back

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3125673246 I am detailing the Fair Building to look like a Walthers Lumber Yard. I am just going to build a removable shead around the frame. A box car could clear. Jim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25215	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Web Sites

Hello to the group. Does any know what's happen to Chuck Harrington's web site and Triple S parts web site? I can't access either one . Can anybody else? Al ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25216	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1837

#5570H ROCKET set for sale: A neighbor has contacted me, he has his childhood train for sale, nice condition, original boxes, master carton, with a transformer. He believes it to be worth $800 to $1000. I informed him that it is worth about half +/- , As I have a ROCKET set, I don't have a use for it. Any one that is interested E-mail me off line and I will pass along his phone number. I have not seen the set at this time. Jerry 77-11644 grdobbs@... ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25217	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Re: Web Sites

I just went there. It's working. Your link may have gotten corrupted. Try this link: http://www.myflyertrains.org/ Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan V Eisenhaur To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Web Sites Hello to the group. Does any know what's happen to Chuck Harrington's web site and Triple S parts web site? I can't access either one . Can anybody else? Al ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25218	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - American Models Limited Edition Southern Crescent Set

Didn't sell first time---try again! Absolutely gorgeous and brand new in the box, this limited edition American Models Southern Crescent(loco #1400) steam set with 5 matching heavyweight cars. Set #46502AC....AC Flyer compatable with chug, whistle, and bell. List price was $699.95. First $565 gets it. Free shipping in the contiguous 48. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== > Mark B. Preman > AmericanFlyerTrains.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25219	From: TCS	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals

754 IAIS 50' & 65' gon 1-80, 1-97, N & HO scale $3.50, S & O scale $6.75 755 TBOX 60' DD boxcar 2-03, N & HO scale $5.00, S & O scale $10.00. Artwork by Craig Walker. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $6.50, plus $2.00 for p&h. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25220	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, April 6, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25221	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: This just in from Flyer Fest West Headquarters!

Hi All, I just got this message, thought I'd better post it right away! S' David D. We are only one month away from Flyer Fest West 4, sponsored by the Sacramento Valley American Flyer Club at the Chabolla Center in Galt, May 3-4, 2003. I would like to remind everyone that April 19th is the deadline for reserving tables and securing dinner reservations. There are a few Commemorative FFW Towers still available for sale. To date we have registrants from Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Kentucky, Oregon, Michigan, Nevada, and Utah. We are fortunate to have some S gauge celebrities attending, including Paul Yorke. In addition, SnS Trains will be here with their can motors and S videos. TTOS will be displaying their new American Flyer prototypes. There will also be an extensive Mini-craft building display at the meet hall, as well a display of Flyer tinplate uncataloged sets. Trading and sale items will include 1/64th custom-made railroad trucks along with some other unique items. Registrants are certainly excited about the activities, the clinics, and the tours. There are already over 50 reservations for the western style BBQ buffet. Anyone who has some Flyer or S Gauge to sell (rolling stock, accessories, or scenery) should not miss this opportunity. Also, bring your entries for the modeling contest and lube up your favorite engine for the train races.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25222	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/5/2003
Subject: TEST ONLY-----delete

TEST !!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25223	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/5/2003
Subject: Blatant ad--April Specials

Won't take up space here with details, but we have posted our APRIL Specials on our homepage. Also, the announcement of our next EXCLUSIVE release....Wilson's Milk reefer. Check it out ! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25224	From: tsbikes	Date: 4/5/2003
Subject: Module construction pics

Hi All, I had a couple of requests for picture of my module construction. Thanks to all who replied to my question on bridge modules. I have just posted Photos of my module construction at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album97 . I still haven't decided what to do about a bridge module but will keep you posted. Jim Grimes TCA# 97-45877 tsbikes@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25225	From: G Nichol	Date: 4/5/2003
Subject: Want Database

Hi all! I've set up a page for you to add your postwar Flyer "Want Lists" so that you will be one of the first notified if we receive any items on the list. The link is http://nick.jeraldo.com:8080/WantDB.asp Also I will soon receive the collection of postwar Flyer that I emailed the Group about earlier, which includes: 21920/1 24016 21139 21918/1 24859 24863 24866 24856 21927 789 954 21106 772 24413 24124 21088 24109 735 24039 24076 977 rocket launcher 651 billboard 907 24225 24316 25082 24562 936 24329 24533 33648 21107 23581 25071 21165 924 24057 24058 24569 26790 24103 24052 C2009 24328 22030 26756 24636 26745 26320 24016 24039 24076 24430 25071 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25226	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: new boxcar kit

I have just eceived from Kaslo Shops Distributing a 40-foot PS-1 kit, the first new item of S-scale rolling stock made in Canada since the late 1980s. And it's beautiful. Since it is a kit, however, it will have limited appeal among the two-thirds of S-scalers who prefer their rolling stock ready-to-run. And not only is this a kit but it is undecorated and comes without trucks or couplers. On the other hand the assembly instructions are clear and precise, so it looks like a fun way to break the Flyer habit. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25227	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: AF radius

Maybe some of you math/engineering types can weigh in on this one. I found a formula to solve for the radius based on the length of the chord of the circular section in question--that is AF curve track. Radius = Chord divided by 2 times the sin of 1/2 the angle of the circular section. R=C/2sin15 degrees (how do I get a degree sign on this thing?) Following this formula for both rails (inside and outside) and then taking the average to find the center radius, I come up with approximately 18.95629434". I measured switches, because I felt there would be less variation in the radius due to the rails being locked in place by the plastic. I have measured track sections in the past and found all sorts of variation--up to 19.125" radius, but I always thought I was making some sort of mistake. Looking for feedback, Tom Stoltz, in Maine MSG NASG TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25228	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1840

A.F. Track radius: Ton Sholtz, your calculations are right. Keep in mind that Railroad curves are calculated on a 100' length of cord, Highway curves are calculated on a 100' of arc length. To understand what Gilbert used I believe is a mystery. Gilbert shows a 40" out to out dimension on there track, deduct 1-7/8 inch tie = 38- 1/8" or 19 - 1/8" Radius. Calculating it many times I just use 19 - 1/4" radius to allow for joints and misalignment of track and that works very well. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25229	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1840

A.F. Radius: Tom Stoltz, your calculations are correct. 18 57/64 . Keep in mind when calculating degree of curve railroad curves are based on 100' length of cord, and highway degree of curvature is based on 100' length of arc. I have calculated Flyer track every way trying to justify Gilberts 19 1/16 " radius, 40" out to out diameter, - 1 7/8 tie. Thru measurements and calculations i find 19 1/4" to be as good a number to use when laying out track. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25230	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: The Circle Game

Jerry D and Chuck F agree: the radius of a circle of Flyer track is 19 1/8 inches. That is definitive. This thread has been sounding like the old Joni Mitchell song, "The Circle Game": "Round and round and round we go..." But it's all over now. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25231	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Re: The Circle Game

".......but it's allllllllll over now." Now wasn't that from a Stones song?? :^) Where is everyone this weekend?? Not many posts!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25232	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1840

I have to agree Jerry, I use the 19-1/4 also.I have never had any problems with floor layouts or permanent layouts using that figure.Keith --- Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > A.F. Track radius: Ton Sholtz, your calculations > are right. Keep in > mind that Railroad curves are calculated on a 100' > length of cord, > Highway curves are calculated on a 100' of arc > length. To understand > what Gilbert used I believe is a mystery. Gilbert > shows a 40" out to out > dimension on there track, deduct 1-7/8 inch tie = > 38- 1/8" or 19 - 1/8" > Radius. Calculating it many times I just use 19 - > 1/4" radius to allow > for joints and misalignment of track and that works > very well. > > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25233	From: Ted Walton	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Book information

Can anyone comment on the following two books that are apparently on a close- out sale? (1) American Flyer: Classic Toy Trains by Gerry and Janet Souter., 11.5 by 10.5, 160 pages ($23.95). (2) Model Railroad Resources by Allan W. Miller, 189 pages ($3.95). I expect this one is a couple years old and not fully up to date. Ted Walton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25234	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Re: The Circle Game, no train!

Written by Joni Mitchell, who had a hit with it, but made into a bigger hit by Tom Rush in 1968. Rick, I know you are into music, so keep www.allmusic.com in mind for lots of information about any song, artist, their LP/CD's, backup people, awards, producers, etc. Also, www.allmovie.com for people into movies. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Circle Game > ".......but it's allllllllll over now." > > > Now wasn't that from a Stones song?? :^) > > Where is everyone this weekend?? Not many posts!! > > Rick. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25235	From: eric.reis	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: books for sale

I figured I would put these here before ebay. American Flyer Repair manual K-line black edition like new. $35 shipped USA I have 5 Louis Hertz books for sale I would like to sell them as a set all hardbacks, good condition, email for more condition info. 1: the complete book of model railroading first ed. 2nd printing 1951 2: Advanced model railroading first ed, first printing 1955 3. New roads to adventure in model railroading 1952 4. The toy collector 1969 5. Complete book of model raceways and Roadways 1964 a former library book recovered all as a set for $90 shipped USA also these books Model railroading by Harry Zachery 1955 former library book $14 shipped USA Model Railroad Engineering by David Marshall 1942 $18 shipped USA Railroads in the days of steam 1960 American heritage library series former library book $13 shipped USA Make offers, email with questions, Ebay er099 Eric Kenmore, Wa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25236	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Men on 740 Car

Is there any way to 'rejuvenate' the two rubber men when the rubber begins to get stiff and causes the 740 cars motor to run slow? Can they be soaked in some kind of solvent or something to make them more flexible? I am willing to repaint them if there is some way to soften them. Thanks, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25237	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: paint or ink

I just recived a set of rubber stamps. My questions are what should i use. My paint from the testors bottle ,or should i buy some hi grade stamping ink Your opinions are greatley appreciated, and why would you recomend it thanks marv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25238	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Want to buy a Monorail system from Disney?

So the question is why don't we have any other operating systems in the USA? Read about the cost savings and you have to question what it will take to wake Cities up. Cost savings and beauty are not enought. Enjoy Jim Sleeth http://aps.naples.net/community/NFNWebpages/storyboard.cfm?StoryBoardNum=73&PageNum=1 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25239	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Rail Cars

Another great site. Jim Sleeth http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/m/jmlaboda/MotorCar.htm#NYS&W __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25240	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Cross overs conversion

Hi I am trying to use my existing moduals and came up with the interlocking ovals which need 2 turnouts and a cross over. I am using AM track and run some scale. I once built a switchyard with AF Pikemaster Track and added balast and it looked good. So I thought I might be able to paint the ties of a Pikemaster Crossover brown and see if it can be modified to use with the AM track. I guess I could replace the rail. Has anyone tried it? If it works does any one have the base with out the rails? Thanks Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25241	From: David	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: Want to buy a Monorail system from Disney?

Easy, special interests. Its what holds up a lot of stuff in the USA. As a small example an effective trolly or monorail system would hurt the following businesses: Fuel Stations and Manufacturers, Automobile Manufacturing, Maintenance & Repair, Parking, Highways Maintenance and Repair, and Tolls to name a few off the top of my head. Its the same question as to why the Railroads are not popular today especially due to high fuel costs, and the crowded highways. It would make sense to ship on rail and get that industry growing again as its most efficient. But you have big special interests who are against the whole idea. The two biggest ones are Unions of the trucking industry or any delivery system industries, and Gasoline/Diesel manufacturers. These special interests have deep pockets and a lot of influence. So, common sense takes a back seat, and nothing gets done but the same old, same old. Some try to argue that there is just not enough interest, I think this is a shallow statement and believe in the old saying, you build it they will come. Always looking for old Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25242	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: Cross overs conversion

Jim, Why not... It's worth a try. I have made my own crossover using AM track and while not "scale" it does the job well. Here is a link to some Pics. http://www.tuveson.com/crossover/crossover.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: JAMES SLEETH [mailto:aztecfan@...] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 4:56 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S Scale group Subject: [S-Trains] Cross overs conversion Hi I am trying to use my existing moduals and came up with the interlocking ovals which need 2 turnouts and a cross over. I am using AM track and run some scale. I once built a switchyard with AF Pikemaster Track and added balast and it looked good. So I thought I might be able to paint the ties of a Pikemaster Crossover brown and see if it can be modified to use with the AM track. I guess I could replace the rail. Has anyone tried it? If it works does any one have the base with out the rails? Thanks Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25243	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: Men on 740 Car

The rubber rejuvenator used on printer rollers and platens might be worth a shot. Has anybody on the list tried this? --- traindoctor2003 <traindoctor2003@...> wrote: > Is there any way to 'rejuvenate' the two rubber men when the rubber > begins to get stiff and causes the 740 cars motor to run slow? Can > they be soaked in some kind of solvent or something to make them more > flexible? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25244	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Blatant eBay ad....1959 Ford p/u auction....

Two hours left on my 1959 Ford p/u with utility bed & lift-- (1:64) on eBay. No bids as of yet!! Rick. http://listings.ebay.com/pool3/listings/endtoday/all/category480/index.html?from=R0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25245	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: AF 24409 Northern Pacific Reefer on eBay......

Jeepers!! I wish I had a CASE of these to auction!!! Rick. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3126110889&category=480 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25246	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - New Offering

As before, these SHS items are new in the box and will be $30 including shipping in the contiguous 48. 00028 D&RGW PS-2 hopper 00029 Santa Fe PS-2 hopper 00067 USRA SS XM PA wood sided box #518392 00069 CB&Q SS XM wood sided box #25321 00151 MKT stock car #47372 The April list is up and posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25247	From: Lori	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: semaphore house

Does anyone know where you can get a metal house for a 758A Sam the Semaphore Man? My husband has tried RFG but they are always backordered. Thanks for all your time and suggestions. Lori Mitchell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25248	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: AF 24409 Northern Pacific Reefer on eBay......

I thought this was just on eBay a few weeks ago, same comment too - "wish I had a case of them." Did the LP just skip or something? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25249	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: going in circles

Tom, Not to differ with you or rehash a topic that you feel has been over done, but is there some Gilbert document that states the radius of AF track? Like others, I've measured curved track and have come up with a multitude of answers. I just figured that the variations were caused by the tendency of the curved rail to want to straighten. Hence the "false" reading of 19.125". Then someone, I think a Faust, stated in a book about Am Flyer, that the radius is 20" and I believe American Models also makes that claim. Now I know that isn't so, and that made me curious. And then the list started asking questions and coming up with all sorts of ways to measure radii--some very wrong, some interesting. I remembered a formula that involved the chord and radius (I had to look it up). It also dawned on me that switches would be good candidates to measure because of their inherent dimensional stability. The rails aren't going to flex and hence should be closer to the original design specification. I was very surprised to find the radii calculating out to around 18.95". Try it yourself, measure the chord of a switch and divide that number by .51764 (which is 2 times the sine of 15 degrees), and tell me what you get. What I did was to take the resultants for the outside and inside rails, add them together, then divide that answer by 2 to get the average. Unless I'm doing something very wrong and/or my thinking is wrong, the radius of AF curved track, by design, is probably 19"... I don't use AF track, so functionally, it doesn't matter to me. But to satisfy my curiosity, I wanted to find out and instead came up with a mystery. Now I'm really curious, Tom Stoltz, in Maine (with my calculator) MSG NASG TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25250	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: going in circles

Tom, Page one of the Gilbert American Flyer Instruction Book states that "Twelve (12) pieces of curved track form a circle 40" in diameter...". They do not state if that is inside, center or outside rail measurements. I, like you, am hopeful that a factory spec sheet will surface somewhere that has a draftsman's drawing and spec for the radius of vintage Flyer track. Tim Brown, in PA (with my Gilbert Instruction Book) ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Stoltz To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; jarcho@... Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 7:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] going in circles Tom, Not to differ with you or rehash a topic that you feel has been over done, but is there some Gilbert document that states the radius of AF track? Like others, I've measured curved track and have come up with a multitude of answers. I just figured that the variations were caused by the tendency of the curved rail to want to straighten. Hence the "false" reading of 19.125". Then someone, I think a Faust, stated in a book about Am Flyer, that the radius is 20" and I believe American Models also makes that claim. Now I know that isn't so, and that made me curious. And then the list started asking questions and coming up with all sorts of ways to measure radii--some very wrong, some interesting. I remembered a formula that involved the chord and radius (I had to look it up). It also dawned on me that switches would be good candidates to measure because of their inherent dimensional stability. The rails aren't going to flex and hence should be closer to the original design specification. I was very surprised to find the radii calculating out to around 18.95". Try it yourself, measure the chord of a switch and divide that number by .51764 (which is 2 times the sine of 15 degrees), and tell me what you get. What I did was to take the resultants for the outside and inside rails, add them together, then divide that answer by 2 to get the average. Unless I'm doing something very wrong and/or my thinking is wrong, the radius of AF curved track, by design, is probably 19"... I don't use AF track, so functionally, it doesn't matter to me. But to satisfy my curiosity, I wanted to find out and instead came up with a mystery. Now I'm really curious, Tom Stoltz, in Maine (with my calculator) MSG NASG TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25251	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: PAINT OR INK -- RUBBER STAMPS

ORIGINAL MESSAGE <<<< I just recived a set of rubber stamps. My questions are what should i use. My paint from the testors bottle ,or should i buy some hi grade stamping ink Your opinions are greatley appreciated, and why would you recomend it thanks marv>>> Well----I don't know what stamps you refer to, but if you bought OUR rubber stamps, you should have received a sheet of instructions about the best inks to use. Do NOT use paints.....they will smudge, dry too slow, and produce a poor impression. You need a good ink designed for use on non-porous surfaces. As noted on the instructions, and our website, we carry a good ink, in black, white, red, silver, and yellow, but alternatives are suggested on the instruction sheet. We are adding new stamps to our line every month, and the response to them has been excellent. We continue to have all our stamps produced directly from scans or photographs of original AF lettering. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25252	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: semaphore house

Lori, You can try Doug at Portlines. They list a white metal shack with red trim, but I don't know if it's specifically for Sam. Here's their link: http://www.portlines.com/ You may want to give them a call. Their number is listed at their site. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] semaphore house Does anyone know where you can get a metal house for a 758A Sam the Semaphore Man? My husband has tried RFG but they are always backordered. Thanks for all your time and suggestions. Lori Mitchell S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25253	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: going in circles

Hi Tom" I guess the question is that would one get a circle if one took 12 right hand (or left hand) switches and put them together. We know that 12 curves make a circle, with radius about 19.125. Rance Velapoldi Thomas Stoltz wrote: >Tom, > >Not to differ with you or rehash a topic that you feel has been over done, but is there some Gilbert document that states the radius of AF track? > >Like others, I've measured curved track and have come up with a multitude of answers. I just figured that the variations were caused by the tendency of the curved rail to want to straighten. Hence the "false" reading of 19.125". > >Then someone, I think a Faust, stated in a book about Am Flyer, that the radius is 20" and I believe American Models also makes that claim. Now I know that isn't so, and that made me curious. > >And then the list started asking questions and coming up with all sorts of ways to measure radii--some very wrong, some interesting. I remembered a formula that involved the chord and radius (I had to look it up). It also dawned on me that switches would be good candidates to measure because of their inherent dimensional stability. The rails aren't going to flex and hence should be closer to the original design specification. > >I was very surprised to find the radii calculating out to around 18.95". > >Try it yourself, measure the chord of a switch and divide that number by .51764 (which is 2 times the sine of 15 degrees), and tell me what you get. > >What I did was to take the resultants for the outside and inside rails, add them together, then divide that answer by 2 to get the average. Unless I'm doing something very wrong and/or my thinking is wrong, the radius of AF curved track, by design, is probably 19"... > >I don't use AF track, so functionally, it doesn't matter to me. But to satisfy my curiosity, I wanted to find out and instead came up with a mystery. > >Now I'm really curious, > >Tom Stoltz, in Maine (with my calculator) > >MSG >NASG >TCA > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25254	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Going in Even More Circles

Let us refer to "How to Build and Operate a Model Railroad" by Marshall McClintock. The book states in several places that a circle of S-gauge track has a diameter of 40 inches, radius of 20 inches. Figure 19 on page 35 shows a radius of 20 inches - but to where? Track centerline, outside track centerline, tie outside centerline?? This figure also shows a 3 1/2" roadbed with an outside radius of 20 inches. Assuming you mount the track in the middle of this roadbed, the centerline track radius would be 18 1/4 inches and the outside track centerline would be 18 3/4 inches. But measuring a completed circle of track it appears the outside of tie radius (not outer track radius) is right on 20 inches. So even McClintock appears to be inconsistent. So back to the reference books! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25255	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Cross overs conversion

Jim, I tried it and got it to work. I had to take the base off and replace a good bit of the track with American Models rail. It can be done. David Avedesian and I (mostly David) spent about one hour working one night (using a new next generation adhesive CAA+). All of that said, I wish our S manufacturers - AM and SHS - would come out with crossovers (I don't want to start that discussion again). It would save us lots of time/trouble that we could be puting into other aspects of the hobby. I have to admit that I drool over the various Atlas crossovers Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25256	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Railroad songs.

Duke Ellington "Take the A-Train" and "Happy-Go-Lucky Local." I don't know anything about the ones Tom and Rick mentioned. W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25257	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: (no subject)

As of yesterday April 7 my e-mail from s-trains has not been coming thru. I believe i have been cut off. Thank you Jerry grdobbs@... ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25258	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: circle-o -friends

I opened a box of mint(new,unused,undistorted) curved track and put together a circle.If anyone would like any of the measurements contact me off-list please.Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25259	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Re: going in circles

I recall Flyer stating the radius as 40" to the outer rail. Don't ask me whether inside or outside the rail. Thomas Stoltz wrote: > > Tom, > > Not to differ with you or rehash a topic that you feel has been over done, but is there some Gilbert document that states the radius of AF track? > > Like others, I've measured curved track and have come up with a multitude of answers. I just figured that the variations were caused by the tendency of the curved rail to want to straighten. Hence the "false" reading of 19.125". > > Then someone, I think a Faust, stated in a book about Am Flyer, that the radius is 20" and I believe American Models also makes that claim. Now I know that isn't so, and that made me curious. > > And then the list started asking questions and coming up with all sorts of ways to measure radii--some very wrong, some interesting. I remembered a formula that involved the chord and radius (I had to look it up). It also dawned on me that switches would be good candidates to measure because of their inherent dimensional stability. The rails aren't going to flex and hence should be closer to the original design specification. > > I was very surprised to find the radii calculating out to around 18.95". > > Try it yourself, measure the chord of a switch and divide that number by .51764 (which is 2 times the sine of 15 degrees), and tell me what you get. > > What I did was to take the resultants for the outside and inside rails, add them together, then divide that answer by 2 to get the average. Unless I'm doing something very wrong and/or my thinking is wrong, the radius of AF curved track, by design, is probably 19"... > > I don't use AF track, so functionally, it doesn't matter to me. But to satisfy my curiosity, I wanted to find out and instead came up with a mystery. > > Now I'm really curious, > > Tom Stoltz, in Maine (with my calculator) > > MSG > NASG > TCA > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25260	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: PAINT STAMP INK

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 25261	From: Al	Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Is everyone dizzy from all these circles.

Well, it looks like my simple question about the true diameter of flyer track (center of rail to center of rail) was not so simple. I want to thank Tim Brown, Rick Evans, etc., for all the information brought forth on this subject. I need the input from knowledgable fellow so I can try to design a basement layout (I'm in the same boat as David Dewey). I am tired of laying track out on the floor so I can run trains - with the exception of Christmas time. By knowing the diameter (or radius), I can determine how many circles of track I can have in the width of the room I in which I will build the layout. This will also help in determining if I can have a wide-radius set of K-Line track - please don't start on the radius of this track - thanks. I would love to have a layout that has 3 to 4 mainlines with a lot of forest areas, rivers, lakes, a desert region, bridges, tunnels, mountains, small towns, cities, stations, yards, and at least five levels of track just for starters. Of course, I don't expect to have this all at once but I need some kind of plan to see how it fits the room. Room size is approximately 12 feet by 19 feet. I would love to have something like Don Hazenthul's (spelling?) layout. It is fabulous. If anyone wants to e-mail me some great plans, do so at: alsflyer@... I would love to incorporate the best ideas from a lot of different layouts. Thanks to everyone for all the great suggestions, ideas, discussions on this list. I have enjoyed it all - except for the flames. Cool it down, we are all S-gaugers and lovers of model trains. And thanks to Paul Yorke for all the work in keeping this group functioning and keeping us on a steady path. Al Rawdon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25262	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: Is everyone dizzy from all these circles.

Al said: >Well, it looks like my simple question about the true diameter of >flyer track (center of rail to center of rail) was not so simple. You asked about diameter at the center of the TRACK, not either rail center (which would make the issue more complex than it need be.) >I need the input from knowledgable fellow so I can try to design a >basement layout You may find it useful to purchase a track planning template for S gauge tinplate track. Should be available from Leventon's, Scenery Unlimited, or any of the other AF parts houses. Be advised, the curve radius for a "standard" (Gilbert) curve will be given as 19" at track center. Some of these templates also include curve guides for K-Line wide radius track, which is 27" at track center. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25263	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Ring 0f Fire (was circle-o -friends)

Heres how I did it: 1)I started with a box of unused trackthe track doesn't fit together any better than used stuff,I confirmed this by putting together another box of unused track,(one blue and yellow box,one red and white box).If you just push the track sections together until they butt, you end up with an egg rather than a circle. 2) I put a tack in one tie hole to give me a pivot.I measured across the six opposing joints until it was as near perfect a circle I could get.I then hot glued ties to board wit a blob so I could measure. 3) I measured outside rail to outside rail across the six opposing track joints. 4) I ran a geep and a pacific on it pulling a few freight cars to make sure there wasn't any out of whack joints. Heres what I got: 1)Two joints measured 39 3/16.three joints measured 39 1/4 .One joint measured 39 5/16 2)outside tie to outside tie 40 1/8 with same deflections as rail. One observation,if you stack brand new track on top of each other , rail to rail, there are noticable differences in the track . Hope this helps all who care,Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25264	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: Is everyone dizzy from all these circles.

***(( I want to thank Tim Brown, Rick Evans,)))*** Gee...I'd like to take credit,.....but,...I didn't offer anything to this thread,...well, a comment to Tom J's comment!! ...and it was about songs!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25265	From: waldootten	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Frozen screws on smoke unit

Hello all -- and thanks for the advice on the 293 wiring question. I found the solution, a shorted wire against the boiler when it was in place. Am now attempting to replace the nichrome wire and wick on the smoke unit with parts I got from Doug Peck. Got to top six screws out okay, and the two forward screws on the bottom access plate. The other two are frozen solid. And it looks like whomever replaced the last wire & wick split the panheads on the screws trying to remove them, so there's no place to put a screwdriver to remove them. Do I have to remove the bottom plate or can I shove the wicks in from the top? Can I drill out (slightly larger) the wick holes? What tool should I use to push the wicks in so I don't "cut" the wick element in doing so? How much wick should be shoved down the hole (the wicks Portlines supplied are about 11-12 inches long)? And should the wick element be "twisted" before shoving it down the holes? If I have to drill out the bad screws and retap the holes, what tap should I use? I know this is a basic repair, but never having done it I've already ruined one wick/wire unit. Thanks for any advice, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25266	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Ontario, Ca.

Hi Does anyone on this list live in or near Ontario, Ca. and are planning on attending the TCA convention? Please contact me off list. at john.foley16@... John Foley NASG VP

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25267	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: Railroad songs.

Hi: Don't know where this thread came from, but, here's a thread on another board that has a fair number of songs. Regards, Ted http://www.the-gauge.com/forums/showthread.php? s=&threadid=4097&highlight=train+songs --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "W. Thomas Boussum" <lenhardt_euler@e...> wrote: > Duke Ellington "Take the A-Train" and "Happy-Go-Lucky Local." > I don't know anything about the ones Tom and Rick mentioned. > W. Thomas Boussum

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25268	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: TTOS

Hi Folks Is any one out their planning on attending the TTOS's convention this June in Denver. If yes please contact me off the list at john.foley16@... John Foley NASG VP

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25269	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: Frozen screws on smoke unit

-----Original Message----- <<<The other two are frozen solid. And it looks like whomever replaced the last wire & wick split the panheads on the screws trying to remove them, so there's no place to put a screwdriver to remove them. Do I have to remove the bottom plate or can I shove the wicks in from the top? Can I drill out (slightly larger) the wick holes?>>> I've had this happen too, and I've been successful in removing them by (a) cutting a slot in what's left of the screwhead with a Dremel cutoff wheel; and (b) spraying some lubricant around t and giving it plenty of time to seep down into the threads. I've never had to resort to drilling and tapping. Drilling out the wick holes a little bigger???? Sure would make insertion easier, but I don't know if there's a good reason not to do so. Anyone tried it?????? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 New Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25270	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Bigger Wick holes..!!!

The easiest way to pull a wick through the holes is by using a piece of fishing line ...Pass the line up through the hole & back down makeing a large loop...put the wick in this loop and then pull it through the hole ....TA DA ..Finished.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25271	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: Frozen screws on smoke unit

In a message dated 04/09/2003 8:05:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, doug@... writes: > Drilling out the wick holes a little bigger???? Sure would make insertion > easier, but I don't know if there's a good reason not to do so. > Anyone tried it?????? > I do it all the time. Just one drill size larger than the original hole makes installation oh so much easier. It does however, make the fluid wick faster and you will end up using more smoke fluid than you used to via evaporation and burning. Does anybody care?? Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25272	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Fwd: TTOS Correction

Hi Folks I goofed again. The TTOS convention is in Aug. on the 21st-24th John Foley >Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:57:20 -0400 >To: S-Scale, S-Trains >From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> >Subject: TTOS > >Hi Folks > Is any one out their planning on attending the TTOS's convention >this June in Denver. If yes please contact me off the list >at john.foley16@... > >John Foley >NASG VP -

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25273	From: elinashusband	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Boiler front problem

I recently purchased a replacement bulb for the front of a 312, but am now having a problem. When I inherited the locomotive, the front of the boiler was open exposing the obviously burnt out bulb. At the time I was trying to get it running, so I simply (and carefully) pushed the front back on, where it remained until a few days ago when I recieved the replacment. After carefully sliding the front off, replacing the bulb, and sliding it back in, it does not want to stay in. I've been looking around online, but can't seem to find any suggestions. Anyway, any help would be appreciated. Luis Matthews

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25274	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: Boiler front problem

Hi Luis, It's always hard to know the real problem without looking at the piece. Assuming the metal holding clips are not broken off, my approach would be to carefully rebend them out just a little so there is more tension on them when seated. Otherwise, maybe there is an obstruction preventing them from seating properly - like a wire or something. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: elinashusband To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Boiler front problem I recently purchased a replacement bulb for the front of a 312, but am now having a problem. When I inherited the locomotive, the front of the boiler was open exposing the obviously burnt out bulb. At the time I was trying to get it running, so I simply (and carefully) pushed the front back on, where it remained until a few days ago when I recieved the replacment. After carefully sliding the front off, replacing the bulb, and sliding it back in, it does not want to stay in. I've been looking around online, but can't seem to find any suggestions. Anyway, any help would be appreciated. Luis Matthews S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25275	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Dear Luis: I had the same problem with my 343 (0-8-0). I just wrapped one of the edges in masking tape. This increased the diameter of the boiler front and now all is snug and tight. I have also used this trick with wheels that keep falling out of desk chairs. Just wrap some masking tape around the part that shoves into the chair's leg. Thorin Message: 8 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:30:05 -0000 From: "elinashusband" <ghoti@...> Subject: Boiler front problem I recently purchased a replacement bulb for the front of a 312, but am now having a problem. When I inherited the locomotive, the front of the boiler was open exposing the obviously burnt out bulb. At the time I was trying to get it running, so I simply (and carefully) pushed the front back on, where it remained until a few days ago when I received the replacement. After carefully sliding the front off, replacing the bulb, and sliding it back in, it does not want to stay in. I've been looking around online, but can't seem to find any suggestions. Anyway, any help would be appreciated. Luis Matthews [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25276	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains From South Africa

Interesting little story...... Just bought a small American Flyer collection from a hobby dealer in South Africa. Had to wire funds but had to wait 3 months for a slow boat delivery. Anyway, according to the dealer, this stuff was purchased new in South Africa many years ago with a possible connection to England although, the transformer cords and plugs were of the American type rather than the european type. They were however, for 230 volt inputs rather than 110! The rolling stock was pretty much common stuff but the best part was a 91 1/2B 50 watt(230 volt input)...the little black 1 1/2 B transformer stamped "91 1/2B" There was also a boxed square 4BEX 100 watter(230 volt input)...baby blue top and base and red case. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25277	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: Boiler front problem

Hi Louis: Check the size of your replacement bulb. The replacement bulb i recently bought for my 342 is larger than the original. It's an "exact replacment" but the stem of the bulb is about 3/32-inch longer that the old bulb. This makes it too tall to allow my boiler front to fit into the boiler. Still trying to decide what to do about this. Regards, Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "elinashusband" <ghoti@s...> wrote: > I recently purchased a replacement bulb for the front of a 312, but > am now having a problem.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25278	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Boise Depot Show

Anyone who will be in the Boise, Idaho area over Easter weekend is invited to attend the Boise Depot 78th Anniversary Celebration Open House. The centerpiece attraction will again be Lookout Junction, the award-winning portable layout of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers. Dates and hours: Saturday, April 19, 10 a.m.-5 p.m.; Sunday, April 20, 11 a.m.-4 p.m. Admission is FREE. The Boise Depot is located on the hill at Vista Avenue and Capitol Blvd., overlooking the beautiful Boise Valley. Aerial photo of the Boise Depot and the famous Platt Gardens: http://www.cityofboise.org/mayor/old_depot/aerial_photo_day.shtml Bring a favorite train and run with us! YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25279	From: Thomas Curley	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: switch terminology??

This may seem like a silly question, but I have not been able to find an answer elsewhere. What is it that determines a #3 switch vs. a #5 switch? It obviously has something to do with the radius of the curve (somewhere around 19") and the angle at which the curve exits the straight part of the switch (about 30 degrees) for a #3 switch, but what about the specs on a #5 (or whatever) switch. Also, why the numbering system and not just use O-gauge terminology, e.g. O-42 switch, etc. Any help would be appreciated. Tom Curley __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25280	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: Boiler front problem

Hi: I one time tried putting a small piece of electrical tape on both edges on the inside of the boiler (at 3 and 9 oclock), just to make a tighter fit when one carefully placed the boiler front on. It tended to work, but probably isn't a great permanent fix for this common problem. Rance Velapoldi elinashusband wrote: >I recently purchased a replacement bulb for the front of a 312, but >am now having a problem. > >When I inherited the locomotive, the front of the boiler was open >exposing the obviously burnt out bulb. At the time I was trying to >get it running, so I simply (and carefully) pushed the front back on, >where it remained until a few days ago when I recieved the >replacment. After carefully sliding the front off, replacing the >bulb, and sliding it back in, it does not want to stay in. I've been >looking around online, but can't seem to find any suggestions. > >Anyway, any help would be appreciated. > >Luis Matthews > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25281	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: switch terminology??

Hi: I asked pretty much the same question a few months ago and Mike Scivoletti was kind enough to write the following: > You can find all the information you need at http://www.nmra.org/ then > go down the left side until you find Technical Dept, click on > Standands & RP's, click on Basic RP's, then on RP 12.2. You should > find all the information you need there. Have fun. If problems, write > me !!!!! Sorry #3 is NOT included. I guess that they considered that > too small. Regards, Rance Velapoldi Thomas Curley wrote: >This may seem like a silly question, but I have not >been able to find an answer elsewhere. What is it >that determines a #3 switch vs. a #5 switch? It >obviously has something to do with the radius of the >curve (somewhere around 19") and the angle at which >the curve exits the straight part of the switch (about >30 degrees) for a #3 switch, but what about the specs >on a #5 (or whatever) switch. Also, why the numbering >system and not just use O-gauge terminology, e.g. O-42 >switch, etc. >Any help would be appreciated. >Tom Curley > >_ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25282	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Ad Man

Hi Folks I am looking for someone who can put together some ads for the NASG mainly this would be accepting ads from our participants putting together and sending to the various magazines. The ads can be sent as an attachment, CD, 31/2 disc or hard copies. If interested please contact me if you would like to volunteer to be a member of the promotions committee and do this work. Any expenses would be taken care of. John Foley john.foley16@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25283	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: mail car

I bought a AF 718 operating mail car. All the parts are there and the mechanism works freely. It acts like it isn't getting power. Is there a certain way it needs to be wired?? I guess the other possibilty is the switch is bad.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25284	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: mail car

You may have a broken wire inside. First tho', I would make sure the wheels are clean and shiny so pickup from the rails is assured. Then I would take two test leads directly to the wheel pickups and see if I can get the solenoid to fire. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: garyandkay66203 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] mail car I bought a AF 718 operating mail car. All the parts are there and the mechanism works freely. It acts like it isn't getting power. Is there a certain way it needs to be wired?? I guess the other possibilty is the switch is bad. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25285	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Boiler front problem

Another good thing to do is to replace the wiring from the smoke unit to the bulb with superflex wire. The old wire is hard and brittle, and once pulled out wants to push out the boiler front when reinserted. Hope this helps. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25286	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: mail car

Hi guys..... Also check which side the metal wheels are on They may have been turned to operate the car in the opposite direction The wheels should contact the base post, and the p/u gets the constant voltage regard'S' Clay "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?" "The Shadow Knows!" Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "garyandkay66203" <g.landers@...> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] mail car > You may have a broken wire inside. First tho', I would make sure the wheels are clean and shiny so pickup from the rails is assured. Then I would take two test leads directly to the wheel pickups and see if I can get the solenoid to fire. > > Hope this helps, > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: garyandkay66203 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:30 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] mail car > > > I bought a AF 718 operating mail car. All the parts are there and > the mechanism works freely. It acts like it isn't getting power. Is > there a certain way it needs to be wired?? I guess the other > possibilty is the switch is bad. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25287	From: sjtlrr	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: New Tom Yorke kit in S Scale

To All, I am posting this message on behalf of Tom Yorke. He now has available a new kit in S scale. You can see pictures of the new kit in the following folder in the files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Tom_Yorke For more information please contact Tom at: Thomas A. Yorke Design Studio P.O. Box 88927 Dunwoody, GA 30356 (770)645-2597 email: tomyorke@... This posting was done by Frank Bernard for Tom Yorke.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25288	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1844

In a message dated 4/10/03 12:19:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Subject: Boiler front problem > > Luis, I had the same problem recently. My brass clips were removed. I drilled a hole, left side bottom (carefully, I might add) 1/8'' in from front and one, right side top. Look at the boiler front, you will see where there is extra cast to help it fit in. I then threaded both pieces for a 4-40 X 1/4" set screw. If you can't find one, make one by cutting the slot deeper on a screw and cutting off the head. Insert in holes and paint to match color of boiler. Now I know purists will disagree with me, but my trains are toys. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25289	From: louis glumac	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: mail car

once had that problem,,,someone had the wheels turned around,,, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "garyandkay66203" <g.landers@...> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] mail car > You may have a broken wire inside. First tho', I would make sure the wheels are clean and shiny so pickup from the rails is assured. Then I would take two test leads directly to the wheel pickups and see if I can get the solenoid to fire. > > Hope this helps, > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: garyandkay66203 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:30 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] mail car > > > I bought a AF 718 operating mail car. All the parts are there and > the mechanism works freely. It acts like it isn't getting power. Is > there a certain way it needs to be wired?? I guess the other > possibilty is the switch is bad. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25290	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West registration Deadline! Forget the Taxes, come to th

Just a reminder that the deadline to sign up for the Flyer Fest West meet's BBQ Buffet dinner is fast approaching. Dig your way out of those tax forms, and register NOW!! Online info: http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/festwest4info.htm Be there, or Be O!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25291	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Boiler Front Problem

Luis, Some of the replacement bulbs are longer in the screw base than the original (GE?) bulbs. Usually these are imports. This causes contact between the bulb and the boiler shell and mucks things up. I believe our list friendly dealers have the correct size bulbs available. Good Luck, Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25292	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Boiler Front Problem

Loose boiler fronts are not that fun to have on an operating engine (or a display one for that matter). Could it be that the replacement bulb is too long? That would affect the geometry of the spring clips seating in the boiler. If the front minus the replacement bulb seats properly, that is the problem. The bulb could also be compared to the burnt-out one, if you still have it. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, Idaho ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25293	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Re: New Tom Yorke kit in S Scale

Tom et all, Nice kit but why focus on such a limited use building when there is a void of core warehouse, industrial, and main street "S" buildings ???????????. On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:35:53 -0000 "sjtlrr" <fbernard@...> writes: > To All, > > I am posting this message on behalf of Tom Yorke. He now has > available a new kit in S scale. You can see pictures of the new kit > in the following folder in the files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Tom_Yorke > > For more information please contact Tom at: > > Thomas A. Yorke Design Studio > P.O. Box 88927 > Dunwoody, GA 30356 > (770)645-2597 > email: tomyorke@... > > This posting was done by Frank Bernard for Tom Yorke. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25294	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Ertl Tractor Pull Sets For Sale

Hello all, It's spring cleaning time and I have stumbled upon a couple of Ertl tractor pull sets. These look really cool on an American Flyer layout and are just plain fun to play with for the young at heart. These are new in the box and have never been opened. The boxes have some shelf wear. If you haven't seen these, they go along really well with the country fair by Ertl. They are 1/64 scale and include a working tractor pull, tractor sounds, crowd sounds, grandstands, tractor, sled, controls, figures, cotton candy type carts and probably more stuff I've forgotten. If you want to see some pictures, contact me off list and I'll email you some. I'm offering them to list members for $30 and I pay the shipping. If you want one, contact me off list. If no-one wants them it's off to eBay with 'em! Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25295	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: New kit

Tom et all, Nice kit but why focus on such a limited use building when there is a void of core warehouse, industrial, and main street  "S" buildings ???????????. He probably wanted to make one for his layout and decided it was easy to duplicate as a kit. Then decided to go public with it. I think its a great looking kit for hilly layouts like the one my permanent layout will be. CB PS. then again, he just might be trying to make a buck. Nothing wrong with that! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25296	From: elinashusband	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Boiler Front Problem Resolution

Thank you to all who responded with suggestions. I believe I have a solution now. (although haven't had the time to thorougly test it) While I did get some great suggestions for temporary fixes (masking tape, electrical tape, etc), the issue appears to be resolved by carefully applying a little pressure to the clip (this model appears to only have one clip on the left hand side if you are facing the front of the locomotive) Anyway, that little bit of pressure seems to have bent it out enough to hold things in. I need to run it a little more to be 100% certain, but it is working quite well at this point. The bulb I purchased, along with several other things, came from Portlines Hobbies, and is actually a bit smaller than the original, so folks who are having problems with bulbs being too large may wish to try there, as I know for certain that the burnt out one is the orginal that came with the set. Doug Peck can correct me, but I belive the bulb was $.75. While I'm on the subject I do also have to thank folks who in November pointed me towards Portlines and Joe's train repair (among other places I can't think of at the moment) for a issue I was having back then. It's always good to deal with reputable dealers. Again, thanks to all who responded. Luis Matthews

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25297	From: TCS	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Railbox Decals

Would the person that wants the railbox decals made in S scale, Please email me off list! I'm still waiting for you to send the Mirco Scale decal so I can recreate the artwork. Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals mopac@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25298	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Re: engine bulbs

-----ORIGINAL MESSAGE---- <<<< From: "trzp1800" <trzp1800@...> Subject: Re: Boiler front problem Hi Louis: Check the size of your replacement bulb. The replacement bulb i recently bought for my 342 is larger than the original. It's an "exact replacment" but the stem of the bulb is about 3/32-inch longer that the old bulb. This makes it too tall to allow my boiler front to fit into the boiler. Still trying to decide what to do about this. Regards, Ted --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "elinashusband" <ghoti@s...> wrote: > I recently purchased a replacement bulb for the front of a 312, but > am now having a problem. >>> This question has come up several times in the past. Most "replacement bulbs" you buy today are imported.....they are taller. For some purposes, this makes little or no difference, but for engines, it does. For engines (steam and diesel), you need 1449 bulbs MADE IN THE USA....not imported. And that's why we sell ONLY US 1449 bulbs! BTW....yes, it DOES matter in diesels.....a taller bulb is that much closer to the plastic! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25299	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: (Smaller Again Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list

Hello All, I have sold about 2/3 of my inventory so far. Thanks to those of you who bought cars from me. Here is the complete list of what I have for sale. All items are new and unused Some items are already sold and are called out below. If you want to buy something from me please copy and paste all the info for each line item into your email to me. I only accept money orders and PayPal. Shipping will be added to your total. Thanks, Jon Marinello email: jonmarinello@... EMD F-7 A & B Units (20% off retail) $543.96 + shipping #00900 AT&SF EMD F7 (Passenger) ABA 53'6" General Steel Casting Co. Flat Cars and Trailers (30% off retail) $41.97 + shipping #00181 TOFC Penn #1 w/PRR Trailer #00310-6 TOFC WM with WM Trailer #00308-3 TOFC D&RGW with D&RGW Trailer #00193 TOFC Trailer Train #1 w/REAX ALM Trailer #00191 TOFC New York Central #1 w/NYC Trailer #00306-9 TOFC PRR #3 with PRR #2 Trailer #00180 TOFC Rock Island w/RI Trailer 48' General Steel Casting Co. Bulkhead Flat Cars (30% off retail) $34.97 + shipping #00166 Bulkhead Flatcar WAB GBP BM Load #00157 Bulkhead Flatcar BN PC BM Load #00158 Bulkhead Flatcar CB&Q JM BM Load #00156 Bulkhead Flatcar BN USG BM Load #00163 Bulkhead Flatcar SOU EP BM Load #00160 Bulkhead Flatcar D&RGW EP BM Load #00159 Bulkhead Flatcar CB&Q PC BM Load Extended Vision Cabooses $69.95 retail (30% off retail) $48.97 + shipping #00234 Caboose Illinois Central Gulf #1 #00232 Caboose Great Northern #1 #00218 Caboose Burlington Northern #1 #00238 Caboose Northern Pacific #1 PS-2 Two Bay Covered Hoppers (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00285 PS-2 2-bay M&Stl #1 NASG 99 conv car 40' USRA Single Sheathed Wooden Box Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00142 SS USRA Xm Clinchfield 8051 #00146 SS USRA Xm Pacific Electric 2712 40' Wooden Stock Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00064 SC New York Central 22591 #00060 SC Santa Fe 23001 #00055 SC Atlantic Coast Line 140441 40' Wooden Billboard Reefer Cars 15% off retail) $36.51 + shipping #00497 Reefer PGE 2000 Christmas Car #00498 Reefer Pacific Fruit Express #1 #00517 Reefer Ballentine Beer #2 #00686 Reefer Northern Pacific #1 #00566 Reefer PFE-orange #1 Composite Hoppers 3 Car Sets (20% off retail) $79.96 + shipping #00762 Comp Hb AT&SF 3 car set #1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25300	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.

There's another new discussion on the merits of "S" on the OGR Forum at: http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=82170413 Some are seeing the light again. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25301	From: trzp1800	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.

Hi Carl: Someone who can properly address the DCC aspect should pop over there and give them some info on these systems. I'm just a straight AC guy so i'm no help in this area. This disussion seems to pop up over there about every 2-3 months. The grass is always greener right? Nice to see some of the other "big scale" guys developing an appreciation for all the hard work folks in "S" have put into developing quality products. So many good things out there, so little budget...... Regards, Ted > Some are seeing the light again. > > Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25302	From: browndw141@cs.com	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.

Hi again! I'm a regular participant on the OGR forum although I'm not in the current thread. Just reading it with interest. There has been more and more discussion about the merits of S gauge during the past few months. There is a lot of discontent with MTH and Lionel regarding their QC and customer service. You wouldn't believe how many times I've read where people had to send defective locos back for repair. I have done it myself a couple of times. Very frustrating!!! In fact, several on the forum mentioned that they are into S as well as O. And I think several more are in the "closet" but won't admit it for some unknown reason. I recommend looking at the forum and going into the search engine. You'll find other comments about S as well. In fact, you might even consider joining as many of the O gauge aspects can be applied to S as well. The OGR forum is by far the best one on the net!!! Regards! Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25303	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: I'm looking for a Pentrex SP video....

Anyone have any leads on a video by Pentrex,..."SOUTHERN PACIFIC: THE COAST LINE"....... from the " Classic Collector's Series"....I checked their site and they say it is temporarily out of stock. Thanks!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25304	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: I've been sniped;)

Greetings all:) When I checked my email yesterday evening, I discovered that I was outbid on ebay for a L-Flyer ATSF hopper. That does not bother me that much but the gentleperson who won the auction for said hopper placed the bid with 17 seconds left in the auction. I was a tad bit annoyed. It is my sincere hope that wudzgud2 enjoys his new hopper car... Isn't e-commerce fun Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25305	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)

***((That does not bother me that much but the gentleperson who won the auction for said hopper placed the bid with 17 seconds left in the auction. I was a tad bit annoyed.)))*** Yep,....all part of the eBay fun and games!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25306	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Mail trains.......

After seeing a video a while back, of some SP trains down in the Los Angeles CA area in the 40'-50's....I was intrigued with a train with all mail cars. Has anyone ran just a "mail" train with baggage/mail cars on their layout? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25307	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: S Gauge thread on OGR: Comments Re Lionel

In commenting on a current discussion on OGR re O scale manufacturers, the statement was made: "There is a lot of discontent with MTH and Lionel regarding their QC and customer service." This should be kept in mind as S scalers consider the new Lionel S/American Flyer offerings. Traditional S scale manufacturers like SHS and AM have worked hard to develop the S scale market thru quality products offered at good prices with very good customer service. While competition is fine, Lionel will have to go a long way to meet, to say nothing of bettering, SHS and AM. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25308	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Ertl Tractor Pull Sets For Sale - LAST CALL!!

Hello all, ONLY 1 LEFT - LAST CALL!!! It's spring cleaning time and I have stumbled upon a couple of Ertl tractor pull sets. These look really cool on an American Flyer layout and are just plain fun to play with for the young at heart. These are new in the box and have never been opened. The boxes have some shelf wear. If you haven't seen these, they go along really well with the country fair by Ertl. They are 1/64 scale and include a working tractor pull, tractor sounds, crowd sounds, grandstands, tractor, sled, controls, figures, cotton candy type carts and probably more stuff I've forgotten. If you want to see some pictures, contact me off list and I'll email you some. I'm offering them to list members for $30 and I pay the shipping. If you want the LAST ONE, contact me off list. If no-one wants it by Sunday Noon, them it's off to eBay with it! Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25309	From: hgetrain	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.

Not only is the OGR forum the best on the net, the OGR magazine may be the best for the hi-rail operator. It has lots of great articles that should interest the S Gauger as well as the O Gauger. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, browndw141@c... wrote: > ...................The OGR forum is by far the best one on > the net!!! > > Regards! > Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25310	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.

I have not followed the OGR forum, but I do subscribe to the magazine and have gotten many good ideas from it. Toy trains are toy trains, even if they're Lyin L! Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "hgetrain" <harry.eberhardt@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again. > Not only is the OGR forum the best on the net, the OGR magazine may > be the best for the hi-rail operator. It has lots of great articles > that should interest the S Gauger as well as the O Gauger. > > Harry Eberhardt > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, browndw141@c... wrote: > > ...................The OGR forum is by far the best one on > > the net!!! > > > > Regards! > > Doug > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25311	From: browndw141@cs.com	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.

The S thread on the OGR forum looks like there's more interest than one may think. Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25312	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: switch terminology?

Thomas Curley asked: What is it that determines a #3 switch vs. a #5 switch? It obviously has something to do with the radius of the curve (somewhere around 19") and the angle at which the curve exits the straight part of the switch (about 30 degrees) for a #3 switch, but what about the specs on a #5 (or whatever) switch. Also, why the numbering system and not just use O-gauge terminology, e.g. O-42 switch, etc. The "switch" is the moving part of a turnout and doesn't really have a number. The frog of a turnout determines the radius of the rails between the switch point and the frog. Turnouts, often somewhat erroneously called "switches," are numbered by their frog number. The frog number is the number of inches from the point of frog (where the gauge faces of the rails intersect) to the place where the gauge faces are exactly one inch apart. A number 3 frog would have 3 inches and a number 5 frog would have 5 inches. A number 5 frog has a smaller angle than a number 3, so the rails between the switch points and the frog don't have to go through as much angle change, and the radius is larger. A number 8 frog would have a still larger radius. American Flyer frogs are about a number 3, but the rails continue to curve immediately after the frog so it's more difficult to determine the frog number than to simply find the point where the rails are one inch apart. The correct way is to extend straight lines out from the frog with the lines following the gauge faces of the frog at the point of frog. Although the curved rail will move away from the straight line as one moves farther away from the frog, the straight lines must be used to determine the frog number. I've seen a few number 3 frogs on industrial tracks, but generally frogs are number 7 or greater. In general, the speed is about double the frog number. Number 7's and 8's are good for 15 mph, number 15's are good for 30 mph, number 20's are good for 45 mph, and number 32.77's are good for 80 mph. There are many other variations in frogs and speeds, depending on the specific railroad and conditions used. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25313	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: 314AW

1) Anyone know the voltage that the DC relay snaps well at? Just dump that voltage DC on the track and it snaps in? 2) Whistle motor runs on the track AC? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25314	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: subroadbed

Hi all: Don't know if this thread has shown up. I am cutting the plywood as subroadbed for different kinds of track and am wondering if anyone has some suggestions. How much wider than the track used would you cut the plywood subroadbed. I thought I would use the following dimensions for an open benchwork type ("L-girders with 1x3's on top of the L-girders) of layout: Track used width of plywood (total inches wider than edge of "track" on both sides) · SHS Trax 2 · SHS flexible 2 1/2 · AM 2 1/2 · Code 125 with 2 1/2 Miller tiestrip Thus the first (SHS Trax) would have one inch on each side of the gray ballast edge. Do these widths sound reasonable? One option that sounds reasonable is to make the subroadbed a little narrower to pick up an extra inch for the radius. Of course, I would have to use the usual widths for double track, around curves, overhang, etc. Has anyone found problems with putting scenery on as little as 1/2 inch of subroadbed sticking out on each side from under, for example, the SHS trax system? Thanks in advance for the suggestions. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25315	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.

Hi all: Would someone enlighten me as to what the OGR (O-Gauge Railroading???) magazine is and where one might see some issues of it (or where to order it from)? Thanks in advance Rance Velapoldi (Norway) rkuepper wrote: >I have not followed the OGR forum, but I do subscribe to the magazine and >have gotten many good ideas from it. Toy trains are toy trains, even if >they're Lyin L! > >Dick > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "hgetrain" <harry.eberhardt@...> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 5:36 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits >again. > > > > >>Not only is the OGR forum the best on the net, the OGR magazine may >>be the best for the hi-rail operator. It has lots of great articles >>that should interest the S Gauger as well as the O Gauger. >> >>Harry Eberhardt >> >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25316	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.

Rance..I have all issues except 3 from the beginning...True its "o" but I enjoy the pics and do get ideas...e-mail me your address and I will send you an extra copy...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bente and Rance" <velapoldi@...> To: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "hgetrain" <harry.eberhardt@...> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again. > Hi all: > Would someone enlighten me as to what the OGR (O-Gauge Railroading???) > magazine is and where one might see some issues of it (or where to order > it from)? > Thanks in advance > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > rkuepper wrote: > > >I have not followed the OGR forum, but I do subscribe to the magazine and > >have gotten many good ideas from it. Toy trains are toy trains, even if > >they're Lyin L! > > > >Dick > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "hgetrain" <harry.eberhardt@...> > >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 5:36 PM > >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits > >again. > > > > > > > > > >>Not only is the OGR forum the best on the net, the OGR magazine may > >>be the best for the hi-rail operator. It has lots of great articles > >>that should interest the S Gauger as well as the O Gauger. > >> > >>Harry Eberhardt > >> > >> > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25317	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)

WOW....Only 17 seconds!!!!...I have gotten a couple at 1 Second lately....Try a stopwatch next time....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I've been sniped;) > ***((That does not bother me that much but > the gentleperson who won the auction for said hopper placed the bid with 17 > seconds left in the auction. I was a tad bit annoyed.)))*** > > > Yep,....all part of the eBay fun and games!! :^) > > > Rick. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25318	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)

17 seconds is a virtual eternity! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: robert allen conner To: S-Trains ; Rick Evans Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I've been sniped;) WOW....Only 17 seconds!!!!...I have gotten a couple at 1 Second lately....Try a stopwatch next time....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I've been sniped;) > ***((That does not bother me that much but > the gentleperson who won the auction for said hopper placed the bid with 17 > seconds left in the auction. I was a tad bit annoyed.)))*** > > > Yep,....all part of the eBay fun and games!! :^) > > > Rick. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25319	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)

Jeff, One time I was using the computer when I remembered that I wanted to bid on an auction that would be ending very soon. I logged on, and yep, ending in 10 seconds! I typed fast, and won it with some 2 seconds or less to go! So, being snipped is not necessarily someone using software, sometimes it's just the luck of the draw! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25320	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again.

Rance - Check out http://www.ogaugerr.com/ Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bente and Rance" <velapoldi@...> To: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "hgetrain" <harry.eberhardt@...> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits again. > Hi all: > Would someone enlighten me as to what the OGR (O-Gauge Railroading???) > magazine is and where one might see some issues of it (or where to order > it from)? > Thanks in advance > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > rkuepper wrote: > > >I have not followed the OGR forum, but I do subscribe to the magazine and > >have gotten many good ideas from it. Toy trains are toy trains, even if > >they're Lyin L! > > > >Dick > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "hgetrain" <harry.eberhardt@...> > >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 5:36 PM > >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge thread on OGR contemplating it's merits > >again. > > > > > > > > > >>Not only is the OGR forum the best on the net, the OGR magazine may > >>be the best for the hi-rail operator. It has lots of great articles > >>that should interest the S Gauger as well as the O Gauger. > >> > >>Harry Eberhardt > >> > >> > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25321	From: Stan Koci	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose

Hello All can any one tell me where I can get the caboose. I spent today hitting most or the hobby shops in Minneapolis and did not have any luck Thankyou Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "S- Trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose > Laugh, heck, Steve! It's TOY TRAINS, after all!! > > Great job. > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...> > To: "S- Trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:08 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose > > > > You guys may laugh at this. > > > > A couple days ago I was at a trains shop and picked up a cheap ($2.95) > > toy "Bachmann Gnome" caboose. This is a cheap kids toy with a simple > > plastic base and wheels. I thought it looked pretty close to "S". When > > I got home I looked through my junk box and came up with enough parts to > > make a baby bobber using AF running gear. > > > > It sure itsn't prototypical, but it looks good with my converted ON30 > > Bachmann freight cars. I put a couple photos in my album on Paul > > Yorke's S gallery here: > > > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album46 > > > > Whaddya think? > > > > Steve Blancard > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25322	From: seg60133	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: 476 Rocket B unit

I'm wondering if any of the knowledgeable members of this list can verify the existence of an authentic 476 Rocket B unit. I have never found a published photo of an original nor heard of an AF collector who owns one. The only credible evidence that they did exist comes from interviews with Maury Romer and a drawing in the 1955 Gilbert catalog. Photos in the Greenberg guides are repros. On the other hand there are published photos of an original Comet B unit owned by Roger Loria and an original Celanese tank car which passed from Maury Romer to Peter Jugle to Gary Klimen. Bob Tufts wrote an article giving proof that the 263 0-8-0 does exist, but only was available through service shops as a replacement shell (however, no photo for the 263). I've been researching the great Gilbert rarities for some time, but I've found almost nothing on the Rocket B unit.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25323	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: 476 Rocket B unit

**(((((I've been researching the great Gilbert rarities for some time, but I've found almost nothing on the Rocket B unit. )))**** Interesting!! According to Greenberg,..."Reportedly only two to thirty-five made". Good luck with your search...keep us posted if ya spot one! Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25324	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose

I haven't found it, either. Let me know if anyone has a source. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Koci" <355akoci@...> To: "S- Trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...>; "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose > Hello All > can any one tell me where I can get the caboose. > I spent today hitting most or the hobby shops in Minneapolis and did not > have any luck > Thankyou > Stan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> > To: "S- Trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Steve Blancard" > <splitdorf@...> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose > > > > Laugh, heck, Steve! It's TOY TRAINS, after all!! > > > > Great job. > > > > Dick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...> > > To: "S- Trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:08 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose > > > > > > > You guys may laugh at this. > > > > > > A couple days ago I was at a trains shop and picked up a cheap ($2.95) > > > toy "Bachmann Gnome" caboose. This is a cheap kids toy with a simple > > > plastic base and wheels. I thought it looked pretty close to "S". When > > > I got home I looked through my junk box and came up with enough parts to > > > make a baby bobber using AF running gear. > > > > > > It sure itsn't prototypical, but it looks good with my converted ON30 > > > Bachmann freight cars. I put a couple photos in my album on Paul > > > Yorke's S gallery here: > > > > > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album46 > > > > > > Whaddya think? > > > > > > Steve Blancard > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25325	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Ertl Tractor Pull Sets For Sale - ALL GONE!

All the ERTL tractor pull sets have been spoken for. Now back to my spring cleaning.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25326	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: Mail trains.......

***((After seeing a video a while back, of some SP trains down in the Los Angeles CA area in the 40'-50's....I was intrigued with a train with all mail cars. Has anyone ran just a "mail" train with baggage/mail cars on their layout? Rick. )))*** Well,..I ran MY mail train a few laps around my little layout last night,....my maroon #651, two green 651's, and a 951 (just got the shell off eBay) on a 651 frame. When I hit the hay, I was looking through the Dec. 2002 copy of Railmodel Journal (picked up for free today at the train store)...and there was an article on baggage/railway Post Office cars. Showed HO models as well as prototype photos,..wow, long cars....85 foot!! Seems they make kits for the "HO" types to make these cars. I'm not into "scale" for the most part...but a RPO car in "S" would be nice. Are they made by anyone?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25327	From: Mike Vana	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Multiple Scale Modellers

With the mention of the O Gauge Railroading discussion about S gauge, I notice that some people on the list have mentioned owning O or G or HO trains, as well as S. I know that many American Flyer owners also have standard (or wide) gauge, O gauge and HO, in addition to S. There is a lot of discussion here about S being the best scale, and it's my favorite, too, although I like about all two rail trains, and there's something good to be said about every scale. I've seen people switch from one scale to another (and sometimes switch again and again!), but many of the model railroaders I know do have more than one scale (O and HO, HO and N, S and HO, or O, S and HO, for example) and sometimes more than one layout, or multiple scales stacked on one layout. It would be interesting to find out the percentage of model railroaders who have more than one scale. It's probably higher than most people think. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. modelling in O, S and HO, and a little bit of G, too

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25328	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: Multiple Scale Modellers

Mike....Right now I have a 4'-4" x 8'-0" Af layout...A 2'-8" x 11'-6" "o" layout and a 8'-6" x 11'-6" "G" layout all in one 8'-6" x 11'-6" Room...I also have A big box of "n"..lots of boxes of "ho"...and a small pile of on30..."S" is the fav....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Vana" <amflyer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Multiple Scale Modellers > With the mention of the O Gauge Railroading discussion about S gauge, > I notice that some people on the list have mentioned owning O or G or > HO trains, as well as S. I know that many American Flyer owners also > have standard (or wide) gauge, O gauge and HO, in addition to S. > There is a lot of discussion here about S being the best scale, and it's my > favorite, too, although I like about all two rail trains, and there's something > good to be said about every scale. I've seen people switch from one scale > to another (and sometimes switch again and again!), but many of the model > railroaders I know do have more than one scale (O and HO, HO and N, > S and HO, or O, S and HO, for example) and sometimes more than one > layout, or multiple scales stacked on one layout. > > It would be interesting to find out the percentage of model railroaders who > have more than one scale. It's probably higher than most people think. > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE. modelling in O, S and HO, and a little bit of G, too > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25329	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: frozen screws on smoke unit

I have encountered a broken smoke unit screw a couple of times too. I try to get some penetrating lubricant into the joint -- WD-40 or Liquid Wrench, let it soak in for a while, and then heat the screw with a soldering gun. If that doesn't do it, i try to improve the slot in the screw with a thin razor saw so that the screwdriver can get more traction.. After that, it's plyin' time again, time to grab the pliers. I file a couple flat places on the sides of the screw head so the plier jaws can get a good grip. It helps to hold the smoke unit in a vise so a lot of force can be applied to the screw, rather than chase the unit with the pliers or screwdriver as it skitters down the workbench . These methods work well. I have never had to drill out a broken smoke unit screw yet. Whenever I replace a two chambered smoke unit coil and wick, i always file out the two wick holes between chambers with a round needle file. There is always brown gunk in those holes. As soon as the unit is rebuilt, that gunk will be dissolved by the smoke fluid and migrate directly to the bottlenecked area of the wick, where it is most able to block the flow of fluid. Better to take the trouble to remove it. A small increase in the diameter of these holes generally improves smoke production slightly. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25330	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)

------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------ <<<<When I checked my email yesterday evening, I discovered that I was outbid on ebay for a L-Flyer ATSF hopper. That does not bother me that much but the gentleperson who won the auction for said hopper placed the bid with 17 seconds left in the auction. I was a tad bit annoyed. It is my sincere hope that wudzgud2 enjoys his new hopper car... Isn't e-commerce fun>>> Jeff-- If the ATSF hopper you're looking for is the 4-9208, you'll find two of them listed on my website Flyonel Inventory. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25331	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose

I got my gnome caboose at Train Depot, a train shop in Manassas, Virginia. Their number is (703) 335-2216. These are basically cheap toy plastic trains with plastic wheels. I removed the entire base and tossed it away. I only used the caboose shell for my baby bobber conversion. There are also similar freight cars. If you call them, mention that they were in a plastic bin on the counter next to the cash register. Steve Blancard Stan Koci wrote: > Hello All > can any one tell me where I can get the caboose. > I spent today hitting most or the hobby shops in Minneapolis and did not > have any luck > Thankyou > Stan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> > To: "S- Trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Steve Blancard" > <splitdorf@...> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose > > > Laugh, heck, Steve! It's TOY TRAINS, after all!! > > > > Great job. > > > > Dick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...> > > To: "S- Trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:08 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose > > > > > > > You guys may laugh at this. > > > > > > A couple days ago I was at a trains shop and picked up a cheap ($2.95) > > > toy "Bachmann Gnome" caboose. This is a cheap kids toy with a simple > > > plastic base and wheels. I thought it looked pretty close to "S". When > > > I got home I looked through my junk box and came up with enough parts to > > > make a baby bobber using AF running gear. > > > > > > It sure itsn't prototypical, but it looks good with my converted ON30 > > > Bachmann freight cars. I put a couple photos in my album on Paul > > > Yorke's S gallery here: > > > > > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album46 > > > > > > Whaddya think? > > > > > > Steve Blancard > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25332	From: rep928	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: World's Fair Model Railroad

We recently discussed the "World's Fair Railroad" at the Eli Whitney Museum; there were questions about the original layout at the 1939-194 N.Y. World's Fair. At an antique show today, I picked a brochure for: "Railroads In Action at the New York World's Fair 1940" The cover also say "Largest Model Railroad in the World" Here is some descriptive material: - 160' wide, 40' deep, in an audience seating 1000 people - nearly a mile of O gauge track - 60 locomotives, 500 pieces of rolling stock, 1000 individual buildings, 700 trees, etc - 2000 switches thrown at every 40 minute performance - 1000 train operations daily - designed by Paul Penhune All I can say is wow! -Roy Plotnick BTW - I can try to scan the brochure if anyone is interested.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25333	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: RPO from Scenery Unlimited...

Scenery Unlimited offers the #S104 Railway Express Post Office Car kit,...wood simulated sides,..for $53.95,..minus trucks and couplers. Anyone put one of these together? Comments? Thanks, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25334	From: David	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: 476 Rocket B unit

Only about 15 were made for the toy fairs. They were reportedly then sold via the Gilbert factory store. Who knows how many survived and where they are. I've personally seen a 263 so they do exists. Not sure how one would have obtained one, either as an original or a replacement shell. Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars and Accessories from the 60's!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25335	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: 476 Rocket B unit

As for the Rcoket "B" unit...Dick Schlott down near Tampa owned one years ago but sold it to someone when he sold most of his Flyer...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <Dave0616@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 7:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 476 Rocket B unit > Only about 15 were made for the toy fairs. They were reportedly then > sold via the Gilbert factory store. Who knows how many survived and > where they are. I've personally seen a 263 so they do exists. Not > sure how one would have obtained one, either as an original or a > replacement shell. > > > > Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars and Accessories from the 60's!! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25336	From: rettram	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: OV Digital edition 2003-029

Hello everybody I have make a update of my site, with Trams with damage, in Rotterdam. ( RET ) Busses with damage, in Sliedrecht. ( Arriva ) Trains in the Harbour off Rotterdam. Have a nice time. http://www.ov-digitaal.tk Greetings Marvin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25337	From: lamontcranston1946	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Scenery Unlimited

Hi guys... Has anyone seen a digital picture of the Harbor Tug Boat now being offered by Don H.? Thnx Clay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25338	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1848

I have Z to G scale trains but S Scale is my favorite because that is the one I got when I was a child and it is still the one I enjoy running the most. I did have some pictures of the multiple layer layout on Paul's web site but I can't find them now. I built the layout so I could take it to schools and nursing homes. It is always interesting to me to hear people's comments about my trains and to hear their stories about their own trains. It is a great hobby! Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25339	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: New S-Scale.org Poll

Visit http://www.S-Scale.org to join in the latest poll. Inspired by a recent posting. Tell us what what scale/gauge if any is your 'other interest'. If you have more than one pick your favorite. If you have an ideas for the next poll, please let me know. One Idea I have is none train related interests. Some nominated choices might be , ham radio, astronomy, photography, robots, toy collecting, computers, ... got any more for my list? Please send them off-line. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25340	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: mail trains

------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------ <<<<<but a RPO car in "S" would be nice. Are they made by anyone??>>>>> We have unpainted RPO shells that fit the AF heavyweight chassis ! Also have similar shells for coach, combine, baggage, and observation. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25341	From: eddiee456	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: I've been sniped;)

I to have won auctions with only a few seconds left. In fact just a few weeks ago there were a couple items i wanted really bad so I made sure I was logged on before the auction ended. Yes with less than a minute left the bidding got hot. I found that most winning bidders win with only seconds to go. so if there is something you want bad you better be online when it's ready to end. Ed Vogler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25342	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: eBay Sniping

I have no problem with these "snipers" as you people call them, yes, I have lost many auctions to snipers who bid with one-second left while I bid with 4 seconds, but my theory is may the best man win. Although, I do find the software unfair. I don't think that eBay should have any sort of time extension when a bid is placed, this would cause auctions that would last forever, eBay cant simply cater to the people who are too slow to bid with seconds left. For you slow bidders, i will release one of my secrets, I have found that the best trick is to open two screens with the same auction, prepare one to bid with you Max bid and use the other one for timing by hitting reload (or F 4 on PCs). and when it gets down to only a couple of seconds then click bid on the other screen. i have found this to be quite useful except when I am fighting software. -Michael the sniper [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25343	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: K-line Big Boy

Just a little note to you operators on the S train list...... About two nights ago a was on K-lines web site and submitted a request for them to produce a run of their Big Boy's that will have a correct S gauge chassis to run on AF track. And they suprised me with a response! They said they would forward my suggestion to their Research and Developement Dept . Perhaps if all those who would be interested in an S gauge Big Boy, could also contact K-line via e-mail about this, perhaps we will see this become a reality. Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25344	From: TCS	Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

756 Conrail Ballast Car, 12-78, Data from Mike Rose. 757 Conrail Ballast Car, 10-78, Data from Mike Rose. 758 Conrail Ballast Car, 6-76, Data from Mike Rose. 559 Conrail Ballast Car, 1-79, Data from Mike Rose. The above sets will letter two cars, retail price $3.50 each. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $6.50, plus $2.00 for p&h. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25345	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping

-Michael the sniper wrote: >I have found that the best trick is to open two screens with the >same auction, prepare one to bid with you Max bid ... Wouldn't it be simpler to enter you max bid in the "maximum bid" space,and just let ebay ratchet your bid upwards automatically (aka: proxy bidding)? If the sniper bids under your max, you'll stay one increment ahead and win the auction. If the sniper exceeds your max, you've lost nothing. Sure beats hovering online. (It also keeps me from bidding out of my budget! :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25346	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House

The train goes through the middle of the house, the middle of the house, the middle of the house............. The train goes through the middle of the house (then a long drawl, near end of song) the train don't stop here no more......? Man singing plainly with a low voice. I think those are the words, not certain of the end words though. That is all I can remember. Can anyone help with the name and artist of this old 78rpm record that I recall from my youth?!? I would sure like to try to find that old record if I knew the artist/title. Thanks, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25347	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1848

FYI... Mike's layout is at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/layout/mike/mike.htm ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25348	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: Scenery Unlimited

Clay, Hope you got my message about Tower Hobbies Lindberg Kits, the Tug Boat is longer than the Revell. It's 1/82 scale while the Trawler and Tuna Clipper are 1/90 scale. I used plastic strip stock to raise the crew cabins and wheel houses on these two to the same as the Tug. Pics at Paul's Albums, "S" Friends, SteveJay Trains page 7 midway. More when finished, but you can get a look there, and at http://www.towerhobbies under manufactures "Lindberg" the three are each list in different catagories Comerical Ships., Trawler under sail boats though wrong, and can't rember the third but it's quite an obvious catagory name. Seeya' SteveJay - NASG On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:29:31 -0000 "lamontcranston1946" <cbuckage@...> writes: > Hi guys... > > Has anyone seen a digital picture > of the Harbor Tug Boat now being > offered by Don H.? > > > Thnx > Clay > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25349	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House

That was a big hit for Vaughn Monroe in about 1954-55 , by the way he was a train nut too.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25350	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping

--- jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@...> wrote: > Wouldn't it be simpler to enter you max bid in the "maximum bid" > space,and just let ebay ratchet your bid upwards automatically (aka: > proxy bidding)? If the sniper bids under your max, you'll stay one > increment ahead and win the auction. If the sniper exceeds your max, > you've lost nothing. Sure beats hovering online. (It also keeps me > from bidding out of my budget! :^) Anyone who has done this knows that this method loses a lot of auctions. There are a lot of people out there who will just keep bidding up until they top your maximum. The same maximum bid placed near the end of an auction has a much better chance of winning since it doesn't give those people time to place multiple bids. If they really want it they need to place a bid with their genuine desired maximum, just like the sniper. The bidder with the highest maximum wins. Sniping is not illegal, unethical, or a violation of Ebay rules. I don't understand why people feel the need to complain on this list about how many seconds near the end of an auction the winning bid was placed. Would the original poster feel better if the winning bid was placed an hour before the auction ended? They did not lose because of the timing of the bids; they lost because their maximum was less than the sniper's maximum. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25351	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: I don't like ebay

I don't like ebay, so I don't shop there. It's a matter of personal taste. I am not comfortable with this hobby as a competitive endeavor. Other fellows do enjoy that aspect of it. It is possible to enjoy owning trains in many different ways. I would rather buy my Gilbert trains from dealers. My participation in this hobby is low budget, which is a fancy way of saying that i am CHEAP. I buy junk, and oddities. Dealers often have this kind of item and are willing to sell at very reasonable prices, because they make their money turning over big ticket desirable items and the smaller stuff just clogs up their operations. Dealers also sometimes have clearance sales. So I do OK. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25352	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House

***(((That was a big hit for Vaughn Monroe in about 1954-55 , by the way he was a train nut too.)))*** He musta liked mules also,....didn't he also sing "Mule Train" ??? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25353	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping

On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:37:19 -0000, jayhoo64 wrote: >Wouldn't it be simpler to enter you max bid in the "maximum bid" >space,and just let ebay ratchet your bid upwards automatically (aka: >proxy bidding)? But it something is going well under book value - say 1/3 the price - if you bid toooo soon you allow the other people more time to think "hhhmmm, how much will I pay for this" let alone those we know are out there thinking "there is NO WAY I'm letting anyone else get this no matter what." Allow them to think they are getting it till the last minute, then GRAB it! *wink* I grab things if I can within 5 mins of close. That way unless the other person is sitting at their PC, It's mine! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25354	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Email Address!!!

Please update your email address for Us... my new address is luta43@..., Jerry's is jjmemmer@... Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25355	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Layout Visit

For any of you folks from Texas, Ted Weiler, Corinth, TX, will be here visiting my meager layout in about three hours. He's on his way back to Texas from visiting Las Vegas, so I doubt he'll any money on him. We do have about two inches of snow to greet him on his way home. Ted is an NASG member, but I don't think I've ever met him before. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25356	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House

Hi Rick: Thought that was Frankie Laine (or Lane). Rance Velapoldi Rick Evans wrote: >***(((That was a big hit for Vaughn Monroe in about 1954-55 , by the way he was a >train nut too.)))*** > >He musta liked mules also,....didn't he also sing "Mule Train" ??? > > >Rick. > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25357	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House

Most popular version was by Frankie Laine. > From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:05:37 -0700 > To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House > > He musta liked mules also,....didn't he also sing "Mule Train" ???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25358	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping

Chuck has hit on the magic of e-Bay. You never get sniped if you bid your maximum you are willing to pay and let the chips or bids as it were fall where they may. I can never complain if someone is willing to pay more than I am for an item no matter when they place their bid. gary on 4/15/03 2:37 AM, jayhoo64 at jayhoo64@... wrote: > -Michael the sniper wrote: > >> I have found that the best trick is to open two screens with the >> same auction, prepare one to bid with you Max bid ... > > > Wouldn't it be simpler to enter you max bid in the "maximum bid" > space,and just let ebay ratchet your bid upwards automatically (aka: > proxy bidding)? If the sniper bids under your max, you'll stay one > increment ahead and win the auction. If the sniper exceeds your max, > you've lost nothing. Sure beats hovering online. (It also keeps me > from bidding out of my budget! :^) > > > Chuck F. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25359	From: hgetrain	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: K-line Big Boy

I sent an e-mail to K-Line, in the Fall of 2002, sugesting they produce the Big Boy and several other prototypes is S Gauge and received a similar response. I think K-Line is listening and it would be a good idea for S Gaugers to make their ideas known to them. My guess is that an S Gauge version of their 1/64th Big Boy would sell as well as their O Gauge version. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Kielek Family <mkielek@s...> wrote: > Just a little note to you operators on the S train list...... > About two nights ago a was on K-lines web site and submitted a request for them to produce a run of their Big Boy's that will have a correct S gauge chassis to run on AF track. And they suprised me with a response! They said they would forward my suggestion to their Research and Developement Dept . Perhaps if all those who would be interested in an S gauge Big Boy, could also contact K-line via e- mail about this, perhaps we will see this become a reality. Al Kielek > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25360	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: $#@&*% E-bay Sniping

The Last word on this sniping thing is If E-bay would follow the example of ChooChoo auctions site where the auction is automatically extended 15 min if a bid is placed in the last few mins of the auction ...this way the bid will hit its high point without some dirty %%$@#*& sniper doing anything to anyone ...The auction may get extended but the winner will be the one who wants it the most.PERIOD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25361	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: $#@&*% E-bay Sniping

The one that wants it the most is getting it now.As for choo choo, when it is working, it seldom has more than a few items listed.Extended auctions may be nice for the bidders,well until someone waits til the last second and extends it while you're out making a sandwich,but as a seller I'm not interested in it at all.I think Tom Jarcho made a good point.It appears he doesn't like the game , so he doesn't play.Of course he has access to train shops, something that are almost extinct in a lot of areas.Keith --- "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> wrote: > The Last word on this sniping thing is If E-bay > would follow the > example of ChooChoo auctions site where the auction > is automatically > extended 15 min if a bid is placed in the last few > mins of the > auction ...this way the bid will hit its high point > without some > dirty %%$@#*& sniper doing anything to anyone ...The > auction may get > extended but the winner will be the one who wants it > the most.PERIOD > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25362	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay Sniping

Well said, Scott. You saved me a lot of typing at the last second! Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 wpporter@... > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Holm [mailto:imsscott@...] > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:50 AM > To: s-trains > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: eBay Sniping > > > --- jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@...> wrote: > > Wouldn't it be simpler to enter you max bid in the "maximum bid" > > space,and just let ebay ratchet your bid upwards automatically (aka: > > proxy bidding)? If the sniper bids under your max, you'll stay one > > increment ahead and win the auction. If the sniper exceeds your max, > > you've lost nothing. Sure beats hovering online. (It also keeps me > > from bidding out of my budget! :^) > > Anyone who has done this knows that this method loses a lot of > auctions. There are a lot of people out there who will just keep > bidding up until they top your maximum. The same maximum bid placed > near the end of an auction has a much better chance of winning since it > doesn't give those people time to place multiple bids. If they really > want it they need to place a bid with their genuine desired maximum, > just like the sniper. The bidder with the highest maximum wins. > > Sniping is not illegal, unethical, or a violation of Ebay rules. I > don't understand why people feel the need to complain on this list > about how many seconds near the end of an auction the winning bid was > placed. Would the original poster feel better if the winning bid was > placed an hour before the auction ended? They did not lose because of > the timing of the bids; they lost because their maximum was less than > the sniper's maximum. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25363	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House

You can search any artist or song title at www.allmusic.com Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House > Most popular version was by Frankie Laine. > > > From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> > > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:05:37 -0700 > > To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House > > > > He musta liked mules also,....didn't he also sing "Mule Train" ??? > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25364	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: American Models UP and AT&SF GP-35 Engines for sale

American Models UP and AT&SF GP-35 Engines for sale I have 2 American Models GP-35 engines for sale. I have the Santa Fe #2838 and also the Union Pacific as well. Both these engines have been converted to the correct Digitrax decoder for DCC operation. They only have about 1-2 hours of time on them. They were correctly and carefully assembled by me so you won't have to hassle with this pain. They are both perfect and ready to run. I want $210 each OBO for them + shipping. So you basically get these assembled, ready to run and upgraded to DCC. You can see pictures of these engines on the AM site at: http://www.americanmodels.com/locos/gp-35.html Thanks, --jon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25365	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] The Train Goes Through the Middle of the House

**((("Mule Train"-----Thought that was Frankie Laine (or Lane).)))*** Yer right,....I was thinking of "Ghost Riders in the Sky"....Vaughn Monroe sang THAT one!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25366	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: I don't like ebay

Tom also lives in the Big Apple and has more opportunity than some of us to visit dealers! Being out in the boonies, I have occassionally dipped in the eBay well, and even bought junk there! The great thing about this hobby is that we can enjoy it in many different ways. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25367	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Song by Rusty Draper about an IRS agent "The Train go's though the

Hi I bought a cassette and it has this song. It is a great album. I don't know were it is now because I am moving, but look him up on line. He had a TV show and was very popular. Since I live in Nashville I pice d up 2 LP. at a down town record store. They had all his LP as new. Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25368	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Re: K-line Big Boy

I also sent in a positive comment on the 1/64th big boy in S gauge (both for scale and hi-rail possibilities). Rance Velapoldi (Norway) I do realize that a surfeit of products makes one be more selective about what one buys and can afford to buy. I sometimes worry how this would affect our true suppliers (AM, SHS, etc.) hgetrain wrote: >I sent an e-mail to K-Line, in the Fall of 2002, sugesting they >produce the Big Boy and several other prototypes is S Gauge and ..... > >Harry Eberhardt > > > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Kielek Family <mkielek@s...> wrote: > > >>Just a little note to you operators on the S train list...... >> About two nights ago a was on K-lines web site and submitted a ..... >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25369	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Re: I don't like ebay

Hi David: I always thought CA was a different country :-) , not the boonies! (yes, I know, all places have their own boonies!) Hey, did you get moved yet??? Rance Velapoldi (Norway) David Dewey wrote: >Tom also lives in the Big Apple and has more opportunity than some of us to >visit dealers! Being out in the boonies, I have occassionally dipped in the >eBay well, and even bought junk there! The great thing about this hobby is >that we can enjoy it in many different ways. >S' >David D. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25370	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Re: K-line Big Boy

HEY....are we all missing the boat??? What about Bachmann....Their on30 line is close...only the spacing between the wheels needs to be enlarged slightly...THEY ARE ALREADY TWO RAIL....Many conversions have been done...another thing is to reduce the loco cabs a little....KLine will have to do major work to convert a three rail engine to two RAIL....MOTORS...GEARING....FRAME...ETC....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bente and Rance" <velapoldi@...> To: "hgetrain" <harry.eberhardt@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "s-scale yahoo" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 3:26 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: K-line Big Boy > I also sent in a positive comment on the 1/64th big boy in S gauge (both > for scale and hi-rail possibilities). > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > I do realize that a surfeit of products makes one be more selective > about what one buys and can afford to buy. I sometimes worry how this > would affect our true suppliers (AM, SHS, etc.) > > hgetrain wrote: > > >I sent an e-mail to K-Line, in the Fall of 2002, sugesting they > >produce the Big Boy and several other prototypes is S Gauge and ..... > > > >Harry Eberhardt > > > > > > > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Kielek Family <mkielek@s...> wrote: > > > > > >>Just a little note to you operators on the S train list...... > >> About two nights ago a was on K-lines web site and submitted a ..... > >> > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25371	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Re: K-line Big Boy

Some months back, someone on the Bachmann chat list asked about the possibility of B producing S. The moderator, the Bach-Man said nothing was being considered. But then, remember how most people thought the Berlin Wall would be there forever... Roy Inman > From: robert allen conner <rcon7@...> > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:34:56 -0400 > To: hgetrain <harry.eberhardt@...>, Bente and Rance <velapoldi@...> > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, s-scale yahoo <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: K-line Big Boy > > HEY....are we all missing the boat??? What about Bachmann....Their on30 line > is close...only the spacing between the wheels needs to be enlarged > slightly...THEY ARE ALREADY TWO RAIL....Many conversions have been > done...another thing is to reduce the loco cabs a little....KLine will have > to do major work to convert a three rail engine to two > RAIL....MOTORS...GEARING....FRAME...ETC....Bob Conner > ----- Original Message -----

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25372	From: The Sagers	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: All "crossed-up"

Hi group, Can someone tell me how to hook up a 600 crossing gate? I thought I'd just try following Mr. Tuveson's scanned AF Instruction Manual but I chickened out (592). Also looked at the FAQ page but it shows a different crossing as well. Also, a 696 trip came with the crossing but wouldn't a 697 work better on this?? Thanx, Vic in CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25373	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 4/16/2003
Subject: Gilbert Patents

Hi All Sometime ago I believe on this list, someone said you can get AC Gilbert patents on the web. Does anyone have a list of the patents or know were I can find it. Thanks AL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25374	From: waldootten	Date: 4/17/2003
Subject: Question

I don't see any posts for today, Thursday. Is there a problem at my end or has it been a very, very quiet day? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25375	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/17/2003
Subject: Hey!! One of my 651's has plastic windows!!

While running a few laps with my mail train the other evening,..I noticed one of my 651's had plastic windows! I have two other 651's and a 951 without....I thought someone may have added them....checking my Greenberg book, it seems the '48 unpainted green, with die-cast frame and brass weights, had plastic windows,.... .....which fits the description of mine... minus the brass weights (mine are black)....sooo, mine must fall into the '49-'53 category, although it doesn't mention plastic windows for those years,...maybe mine was a leftover '48 shell,...and of course Greenberg could be off also! Anyone else have windows in their 651 ?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25376	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/17/2003
Subject: Re: Question

Hi Phil....I was wondering the same thing! (thought the wife and kids sabotaged my mail!) Slow day I suppose. What's happening trainwise with you? Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Question > I don't see any posts for today, Thursday. Is there a problem at my > end or has it been a very, very quiet day? > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25377	From: waldootten	Date: 4/17/2003
Subject: Got the "new" 336 workin'

> Hi Phil....I was wondering the same thing! (thought the wife and kids > sabotaged my mail!) Slow day I suppose. What's happening trainwise with you? > Al Kielek Al -- Just started a three-day weekend by servicing a 336 (large motor) I bought at the Midwest TCA Big Meet about 3-4 weeks ago. Then put it on a set of JAX rollers (bearings), hooked up my volt & amp meters and got it going. Pretty decent shape, I'd say E to E-. Hadn't been run in years, but at 17.5 volts it was pulling only about 4.1 amps. Took a couple of eye droppers of smoke fluid to fill the reservoir and once that old wick got soaked, it pushed air and smoked like a champ. I saw an ad in a recent S-Gaugian for the rollers and they're great. (I have no connection to the manufacturer other than as a customer.) I bought a total of eight JAX rollers so I could also test double- motor twin Alcos on my bench. I got the rollers with the wool pads that also clean the wheels as the loco runs. Very satisfied with the results. You also can run locos without the tender sheel and boiler and see how good the mechanicals work while the loco is running at top speed. I plan on building a test stand with two sections of track on top so I can test run the locos at eye level. JAX will custom build one for you, but it would only be for a specific style loco -- too expensive, I thought, plus I'd rather build my own to my specs so I can test run diesels and steamers. The sections of track will have one elevated (so I don't have to uncouple the tender) and a longer one for the engine sitting on top of the rollers. I'll wire it so I can push power to the upper track section for tenders and another connection to the longer/lower section to power diesels. Should be a good one-evening project -- or if I get crazy I may cover the test stand with Formica to better clean up any oil splashes. Anyone else build such a device and have any suggestions? Phil K ******************************************************************** ******************************************************************** --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Kielek Family <mkielek@s...> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:49 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Question > > > > I don't see any posts for today, Thursday. Is there a problem at my > > end or has it been a very, very quiet day? > > > > Phil K > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25378	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Got the "new" 336 workin'

Phil and all, Norm Hussey of Collectors Choice Trains in Stanley, KS makes a roller base setup for S and other scales. He runs an ad in CTT. I can email a shot of a 336 on the roller bed to anyone interested. Roy Inman > From: waldootten <waldootten@...> > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 05:33:38 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Got the "new" 336 workin' > >> Hi Phil....I was wondering the same thing! (thought the wife and > kids >> sabotaged my mail!) Slow day I suppose. What's happening trainwise > with you? >> Al Kielek > > > Al -- > > Just started a three-day weekend by servicing a 336 (large motor) I > bought at the Midwest TCA Big Meet about 3-4 weeks ago. Then put it > on a set of JAX rollers (bearings), hooked up my volt & amp meters > and got it going. Pretty decent shape, I'd say E to E-. Hadn't been > run in years, but at 17.5 volts it was pulling only about 4.1 amps. > Took a couple of eye droppers of smoke fluid to fill the reservoir > and once that old wick got soaked, it pushed air and smoked like a > champ. > > I saw an ad in a recent S-Gaugian for the rollers and they're great. > (I have no connection to the manufacturer other than as a customer.) > I bought a total of eight JAX rollers so I could also test double- > motor twin Alcos on my bench. I got the rollers with the wool pads > that also clean the wheels as the loco runs. Very satisfied with the > results. You also can run locos without the tender sheel and boiler > and see how good the mechanicals work while the loco is running at > top speed. > > I plan on building a test stand with two sections of track on top so > I can test run the locos at eye level. JAX will custom build one for > you, but it would only be for a specific style loco -- too > expensive, I thought, plus I'd rather build my own to my specs so I > can test run diesels and steamers. The sections of track will have > one elevated (so I don't have to uncouple the tender) and a longer > one for the engine sitting on top of the rollers. > > I'll wire it so I can push power to the upper track section for > tenders and another connection to the longer/lower section to power > diesels. > > Should be a good one-evening project -- or if I get crazy I may > cover the test stand with Formica to better clean up any oil > splashes. > > Anyone else build such a device and have any suggestions? > > Phil K > > ******************************************************************** > ******************************************************************** > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Kielek Family <mkielek@s...> wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:49 PM >> Subject: [S-Trains] Question >> >> >>> I don't see any posts for today, Thursday. Is there a problem at > my >>> end or has it been a very, very quiet day? >>> >>> Phil K >>> >>> >>> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >>> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >>> >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >> s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25379	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Hey!! One of my 651's has plastic windows!!

Rick..My 651 has plastic windows...Its an original 48 because I got it as a boy...still run my 48 set...Many things could have happened...48 shell, coupler change, shell change, someone added them, etc....Green berg is wrong many times...I once sold A 302 because it wasn't listed ...Dummy me!!!...Just because it isn't listed, doesn't mean it doesn't exist....Only lionel is perfect!!! I once had an engine with the wrong number on the sides...I spoke with the then owner at lionel about it ...he sent me to talk to Lenny Dean....He looked at it and said "It has to be a fake as we do not make mistakes!!!!!" HA HA HA HA HA!!! Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hey!! One of my 651's has plastic windows!! > While running a few laps with my mail train the other evening,..I noticed one of my > 651's had plastic windows! I have two other 651's and a 951 without....I thought someone may > have added them....checking my Greenberg book, it seems the '48 unpainted green, with > die-cast frame and brass weights, had plastic windows,.... > .....which fits the description of mine... minus the brass weights (mine are black)....sooo, mine must fall into the '49-'53 category, although it doesn't mention plastic windows for those years,...maybe mine was a leftover '48 shell,...and of course Greenberg could be off also! > > Anyone else have windows in their 651 ?? > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25380	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Train prices & York

The train show at York, PA is coming up next week. I'll be there looking for bargains. From time to time, there are comments posted (I'm guilty too) about how expensive vintage Flyer trains are now. Go to Chuck Harrington's web site and look at the prices back in the 50s in some of those old catalogs he has online. In the 1954 catalog, a 336 cost $47.50. Does anyone on this list have a formula for adjusting prices from 1954 to today's prices, allowing for inflation? It's a moot question, I know, because we are talking new vs. antique. But let's hypothetically say we're talking new then, vs. new today if the factory was still operating. If prices double every 10 years, then that $47.50 would have doubled about 5 times, so the same 336 new today would cost about $1500!?! Also, I wonder what that 336 at $47.50 cost in relation to the average middle class disposable income vs. today. It's quiet on the list, I'm just trying to start up something. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25381	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Train prices & York

I agree that a Gilbert steam engine like a 336 or 343, would be over a thousand dollars today. It is a wonder that so many AF trains got sold, considering that many sets exceeded most people's weekly takehome pay! Just look at the quality in a 343, all die cast metal and all. It will be interesting to see what the Flyonel steam engine looks like, and how much it costs! I believe that American Models engines are close to $500, and pretty much all plastic bodies, etc. And Tim, keep stirring... :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25382	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Hey!! One of my 651's has plastic windows!!

Now according to the TM guide,....651's came with the following--- plastic frame---'46 die-cast frame--'47-'51 sheet metal---'52, '53 ....soooo, that may mean my 651 w/plastic windows, could be from '49-'51. Still possible to be a left over '48 body,...someone COULD have added the windows, or swapped a shell,..but at least I know they were made with windows (again..according to Greenberg!) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25383	From: beechcricker	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Innards of Operating Water Tank #596

Since I see complaints about a slow day on this board, maybe someone can help me. I have the #596 Operating Water Tank but it is far from operating at the moment. Although the outside is in good shape the inside is not. I have missing and possibly broken parts but don't know what exactly what parts I need and how they all go together (I do know I'm missing the pin that attachs to the spout). Can someone point me in the direction of a diagram of the innards or possibly send me a photo of the inside of your water tank? Jeff Feldmeier Allen Park, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25384	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Train prices & York

Just wild guess, but I would think that inflation has increased wafes and prices by a factor of 12X to 15X. I bought a NEW top of the line Ford Galaxie in 1961 for $2390 cash, and a new Pontiac Catalina with Ventura trim and high performance goodies in 1964 for $3180 cash. The Ford had a MSLP of over $3000 and the Pontiac was $3800. The top of the line Ford Crown Vic lists for what today? A haircut was $1.50 then. What is it today? As I remember, when I was in high school I was paying 75 cent for a cut. That was mid 50's. EJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Train prices & York > The train show at York, PA is coming up next week. I'll be there looking for bargains. From time to time, there are comments posted (I'm guilty too) about how expensive vintage Flyer trains are now. Go to Chuck Harrington's web site and look at the prices back in the 50s in some of those old catalogs he has online. In the 1954 catalog, a 336 cost $47.50. Does anyone on this list have a formula for adjusting prices from 1954 to today's prices, allowing for inflation? It's a moot question, I know, because we are talking new vs. antique. But let's hypothetically say we're talking new then, vs. new today if the factory was still operating. If prices double every 10 years, then that $47.50 would have doubled about 5 times, so the same 336 new today would cost about $1500!?! Also, I wonder what that 336 at $47.50 cost in relation to the average middle class disposable income vs. today. It's quiet on the list, I'm just trying to start up something. > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25385	From: Kielek Family	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Train prices & York

Hi Tim...I usually use a multi-plier of 10(for now) on the usually desirable AF I would like to get and most of the time, it is pretty close to what the current guides and lists are at. Of course, based on this broadbrush "formula" a 302 would be close to $200 ! ;>). But , on the other hand, a 336 at $47.50 would be about $470 . Tim , you are going to have to figure out what you are willing to pay, for what you want. I'm guilty of "paying to much" compared to what the guides suggest sometimes. Al Kielek(wish I was going) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" <timboy@...> To: "S-List" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Train prices & York > The train show at York, PA is coming up next week. I'll be there looking for bargains. From time to time, there are comments posted (I'm guilty too) about how expensive vintage Flyer trains are now. Go to Chuck Harrington's web site and look at the prices back in the 50s in some of those old catalogs he has online. In the 1954 catalog, a 336 cost $47.50. Does anyone on this list have a formula for adjusting prices from 1954 to today's prices, allowing for inflation? It's a moot question, I know, because we are talking new vs. antique. But let's hypothetically say we're talking new then, vs. new today if the factory was still operating. If prices double every 10 years, then that $47.50 would have doubled about 5 times, so the same 336 new today would cost about $1500!?! Also, I wonder what that 336 at $47.50 cost in relation to the average middle class disposable income vs. today. It's quiet on the list, I'm just trying to start up something. > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25386	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: dry transfers

I need one set of circus transfers for a loc repaint.(yellow lettering) I have a set of passenger car red letters I don't need.If anyone is interested in trading , or has a set of letters for sale contact me off list.Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25387	From: Don Abrams	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Hey!! One of my 651's has plastic windows!!

I've got 2 651's. One red, one green. Both have plastic windows. Weights are black. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25388	From: beechcricker	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Stock Car not vibrating

I've been working on getting the Stock Yard and Car up and going today. So far I've got the corrals and ramp vibrating. In fact, this is working very well as the cows quickly find their way to the ramp and move on up the ramp to the car. Unfortunately that is as far as it goes. The cows don't want to go any further than the doorway of the car as the car's floor (AF #736) is not vibrating. I continue to push the red button, the red wire appears solid, the metal wheels on the Stock Car are on the rail with the base post current (per the AF Instruction Book) and the rails have power. Also, the "shoe" of the Stock Car is touching the top of the "power bar" between the track and corrals. What may be wrong? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25389	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Calculator

Okay guys. I did some online research (well, my brother did - thanks bro!) and came up with a web site (Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis) to use in calculating the value of goods adjusted for inflation. Have fun putting in those catalog prices from Chuck Harrington's web site at: http://www.myflyertrains.org Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25390	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Opps!

I fuh-got to put the web site of the Fed bank in my last post: http://woodrow.mpls.frb.fed.us/research/data/us/calc/ Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25391	From: J Carnes	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Train prices

From 1940 to 2003 use a 13.2 multiplier From 1950 to 2003 use a 7.6 multiplier From 1955 to 2003 use a 6.9 multiplier This is according to the U.S. Department of Labor Consumer Price Indexes. These are based on a combined inflation factor for several consumer goods. Various types of goods may be higher or lower than the combined values. From the 1956 catalog (6.77 multiplier): A Northern Pacific North Coast Limited set would cost $538 in today's dollars. A 30B would go for $254. A 336 would go for $318. An oil drum loader would go for $101. A 787 log loader would go for $115. A piece of straight or curve track would go for $2.03 as would rubber roadbed. A 981 Central of Georgia boxcar would go for $40. A pair of 720 switches would go for $122. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25392	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: Hey!! One of my 651's has plastic windows!!

My 651 has windows too. Also has brass weights. Steve Blancard Don Abrams wrote: > I've got 2 651's. One red, one green. Both have plastic windows. Weights are > black. > Don > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25393	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: train prices

The rule of thumb for gov't statistics is this : figures lie and liars figure. Government stats concerning labor, unemployment, and so forth, bear the most tenuous relationship to reality of all. But , to complicate calculations, in the 1950's it was possible to buy Flyer through wholesale outlets for 40% off list price. My mother bought my trains on those terms from Savoy Merchandise on W. 23rd St. I assume that similar arrangements were available in other major cities. Some discounting must have been the norm, and discounting must have increased as the influence of the discount stores grew. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25394	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: train prices

I think Tom has made a good point! In fact, the discount stores are part of what did the Gilbert Factory in. There are a lot of variables that simply can't be figured into the equation that determine the value of vintage Flyer today, other than the inflation factor. Still, it's a fun little head-game on a rainy day! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: jarcho@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] train prices The rule of thumb for gov't statistics is this : figures lie and liars figure. Government stats concerning labor, unemployment, and so forth, bear the most tenuous relationship to reality of all. But , to complicate calculations, in the 1950's it was possible to buy Flyer through wholesale outlets for 40% off list price. My mother bought my trains on those terms from Savoy Merchandise on W. 23rd St. I assume that similar arrangements were available in other major cities. Some discounting must have been the norm, and discounting must have increased as the influence of the discount stores grew. Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25395	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Re: train prices

40% off?? interesting. This would indicate the usual mark-up was more like 60% or greater, if one assumes the discounter was making a profit! Wanna play another game? HSS was selling the track maintenance car NIB--clear plastic box--for around $5 in 1970, 'cause I bought one. They were also trying to get rid of the piggyback unloaders back then too. Unfortunately my HSS catalog collection is as buried as everything else is for the move so I can't tell you the exact prices--and I suspect it may take me a least a year to find the stuff once I move! Err, that is if the previous owner will ever get his stuff out so we can move in! S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25396	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Got the "new" 336 workin'

Phil K wrote: >hooked up my volt & amp meters and got it going. Pretty decent >shape, I'd say E to E-. Hadn't been run in years, but at 17.5 volts >it was pulling only about 4.1 amps. WHOA! ONLY 4.1 amps?!?!!!!? {8^0 It should draw no more than 2 amps at full voltage when pulling four Gilbert boxcars. At 12VAC, it should draw about 1.3 amps. (All figures as per Gilbert svc. manual.) Do these rollers put a lot of resistance on the loco's drivers? Let's hope when you get the old gunky grease cleaned out of it, fresh lubricants in place, and do the rest of the cleaning inevitably needed by these things after decades of non-use, it will run more efficiently. It certainly should, anyway. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25397	From: waldootten	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Got the "new" 336 workin' and I am a stupid!

> >hooked up my volt & amp meters and got it going. Pretty decent > >shape, I'd say E to E-. Hadn't been run in years, but at 17.5 volts > >it was pulling only about 4.1 amps. > > WHOA! ONLY 4.1 amps?!?!!!!? {8^0 > > It should draw no more than 2 amps at full voltage when pulling four > Gilbert boxcars. At 12VAC, it should draw about 1.3 amps. (All > figures as per Gilbert svc. manual.) Do these rollers put a lot of > resistance on the loco's drivers? No, they do not. Very free spinning bearings. You are absolutely correct about the amps, and I am such a stupid! I had one Radio Shack digital multitester that's about 7-8 years old and it measures AC volts but not amps. So I bought another at RS (it was on sale, of course) and use it in concert with the other to measure amps. Like always, I didn't read the instructions beforehand and had it set wrong. Like you mention, the Gilbert guide says healthy 336s should use no more than 1.3 when operated at 12 volts on the rollers with no load. Once I finally read the instructions for the new multitester (DUH!) and set it properly, it showed 0.34 amps at 12v, which is more like it. However, my 336 is the large motor variety and the Gilbert spec book doesn't list the two motor sizes separately. Does anyone better schooled in electricity 101 know if there should be a difference? I also got an email from Tom Jarcho asking about the advantages of using the JAK rollers (I mis-spelled the name in the original post). There have been occasions that a few of my rescued locos make some sort of sound as they go around the track, and it's hard to pinpoint the cause/location while in motion. Sometimes part of the valve linkage (main rod, crosshead) is slightly binding or making a "ticking" sound at a certain RPM. The JAK rollers allow one to run a loco in place to test and troubleshoot while under no load. Sometimes the noise is coming from inside the boiler and it's easier to run the loco in place nekked (no boiler or tender shell) so you can see the worm gear and the chug piston working or even view the E- unit fingers as you cycle through F-N-R-N. Plus, the rollers are "toys" and I love toys. ;-) Thanks, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25398	From: waldootten	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Rollers -- I was a stupid again....

The company that manufactures the rollers is JAK and not JAX as I originally posted. Sorry. I also received many emails asking for more info. I have no connection with JAK Tools other than as a satisfied customer. I found them in S-Gaugian. For more info on this product, check out: www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/002/536gjzgi.asp AND/OR http://www.monmouth.com/~jak/Trackless_Rail_System.htm Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25399	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Last call for the BBQ at Flyer Fest West!!

Yo! Tomorrow is the deadline to sign up for the great Buffet (IE--all you can eat!) Western BBQ at Flyer Fest West on May 3 in beautiful downtown Galt, CA. Information at: http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/festwest4info.htm Also the Water Towers are going fast! http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/Tower4.JPG Since tomorrow is the deadline, you might want to call in your dinner res. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25400	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: About them 651's again.....

My Original 651 is maroon, sheet metal frame, came out in '53 with the 'Mountaineer' passenger set. Greenberg's Vol. 1 guide shows "No Reported Sales" for a tuscan (Maroon) 651. Their pocket guide just mentions green and red 651's.....but they mention green, red AND tuscan (maroon),..for several coaches from the same year. ('53) The TM guide mentions NO colors for the 651's,...just the three frame types. Sooo...how rare, if at all,...is my maroon 651 from '53?? I know I see quite a few red and green 651's on eBay,...not sure if I ever saw a maroon 651,..(might just be my bad memory!!) Happy Easter to all!!! Gonna load my gondolas with candy today!! Rick "Hoppin' Down the Bunny Trail" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25401	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1853

Tim: Although Slot cars and deep discounts put a heavy load on the finances of the Gilbert Factory, I believe that upper management ( Jack Wrather and Anson Isaacson ) caused the company to go into bankruptcy. Read Nat Polk's remarks about the LIONEL and the Gilbert Companies, " these people acted as if they belive that if they sold enough, even at a loss, they still make a profit " . Similar to the U.S. airline 's and other companies of today, it's upper management, not the product or the hardworking employees, upper management trying to get away with all the profits and operating capital. That's just my view, ( I will step off my soap box now ) . Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25402	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert Patents

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Allan V Eisenhaur <aleisen@j...> wrote: Hi All Sometime ago I believe on this list, someone said you can get AC Gilbert patents on the web. Does anyone have a list of the patents or know were I can find it. Al, I don't know about the web, but at least 4 different articles have been written about AC Gilbert's patents. These include: CTT - 10/92; TCA Quarterly - 7/94, 1/95 & 7/95. Hope this helps some. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25403	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Bridge Abutments

Hi all: Anyone know where one could get bridge abutments/piers for all kinds of bridges (trestle - if they had any; deck trusses, through trusses, etc. etc.). Guess I could actually make some molds and use mortar/concrete and pour them. Anyone done this? Tx for information and/or suggestions. Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25404	From: eric.reis	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Train prices & York & inflation calculator

This is a neat inflation calculator: http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ eric reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Brown [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:50 AM To: S-List Subject: [S-Trains] Train prices & York The train show at York, PA is coming up next week. I'll be there looking for bargains. From time to time, there are comments posted (I'm guilty too) about how expensive vintage Flyer trains are now. Go to Chuck Harrington's web site and look at the prices back in the 50s in some of those old catalogs he has online. In the 1954 catalog, a 336 cost $47.50. Does anyone on this list have a formula for adjusting prices from 1954 to today's prices, allowing for inflation? It's a moot question, I know, because we are talking new vs. antique. But let's hypothetically say we're talking new then, vs. new today if the factory was still operating. If prices double every 10 years, then that $47.50 would have doubled about 5 times, so the same 336 new today would cost about $1500!?! Also, I wonder what that 336 at $47.50 cost in relation to the average middle class disposable income vs. today. It's quiet on the list, I'm just trying to start up something. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25405	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Brass For sale

Hi Folks I have another of my friends brass pieces for sale. It is a River Raisin Milwaukee Road horizontal ribbed 50'-7" boxcar. with double Superior doors. Factory Painted & couplers applied New. $250 shipping included . If interested I can send photo. Also still have the RR NYC H-10 2-8-2 $1,200 Overland NYC Hudson. $1,000 John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25406	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: gilbert HO

I just received a long email from some person or organization called :Gilbertho.com , PO box 215, Woodbury , NY 11797, offering Flyer parts and so forth. Does anyone know exactly who this is? No individual's name was included anywhere in the email. This struck me as kind of bizarre. Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25407	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Sniping

Hows this one...2 seconds!!! Look at all the other activity in the last 20 SECONDS... All by 4 Different bidders....Bob Conner eBayBid History for DeHavilland Mosquito by Tokyo Mokei Models (Item # 3127144656) Currently $182.27 First bid $19.99 Quantity 1 # of bids 15 Time left Auction has ended. Started Apr-12-03 16:21:45 PDT Ends Apr-19-03 16:21:45 PDT rcon7@... (996) $182.27 Apr-19-03 16:21:43 PDT $179.77 Apr-19-03 16:21:34 PDT $173.99 Apr-19-03 16:21:36 PDT $150.00 Apr-19-03 16:21:25 PDT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25408	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

Sure looks like it may be very closely related to RFG.Keith --- jarcho@... wrote: > I just received a long email from some person or > organization called > :Gilbertho.com , PO box 215, Woodbury , NY 11797, > offering Flyer parts and > so forth. > > Does anyone know exactly who this is? No > individual's name was included > anywhere in the email. This struck me as kind of > bizarre. > > Thanks. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25409	From: John Harvey	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Beechworth Model Railway Display

On Saturday and Sunday, 3rd and 4th of May, The Beechworth (Victoria, Australia) Memorial Hall Committee will be hosting its annual Collectables Fair. This year we have four vintage model railway layouts, Hornby O, Hornby Dublo, Triang TT, and American Flyer S Gauge. There is a small admission fee. All proceeds go towards the upkeep of the Hall. For more information please visit our website: www.brigadier.com.au/collectfair/collectfair Regards, John Harvey *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. ***************************************************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25410	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1853

Jerry, I think you're right, although there was another factor - testosterone. As us young boys turned into young men, our interested shifted to GIRLS! :) :) The train market in the 60s panned. But I also agree with you that it wasn't helped by inept leadership at the top. AC was gone and his son couldn't cut it, from what I read. Remember also that back then, they didn't have sales driving production as much as production drove sales, toy fairs notwithstanding. It took Lee Iacocca (?) in the 80s to show us that. At any rate, 20/20 is always crystal clear. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald R Dobbs To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1853 Tim: Although Slot cars and deep discounts put a heavy load on the finances of the Gilbert Factory, I believe that upper management ( Jack Wrather and Anson Isaacson ) caused the company to go into bankruptcy. Read Nat Polk's remarks about the LIONEL and the Gilbert Companies, " these people acted as if they belive that if they sold enough, even at a loss, they still make a profit " . Similar to the U.S. airline 's and other companies of today, it's upper management, not the product or the hardworking employees, upper management trying to get away with all the profits and operating capital. That's just my view, ( I will step off my soap box now ) . Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25411	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

They do have a web site www.gilbertho.com Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith kuzma" <keefer1_us@...> To: <jarcho@...> Cc: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] gilbert HO > Sure looks like it may be very closely related to > RFG.Keith > --- jarcho@... wrote: > > I just received a long email from some person or > > organization called > > :Gilbertho.com , PO box 215, Woodbury , NY 11797, > > offering Flyer parts and > > so forth. > > > > Does anyone know exactly who this is? No > > individual's name was included > > anywhere in the email. This struck me as kind of > > bizarre. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25412	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: ebay

This looks like a pretty good deal.I don't know the seller but his recent feedback looks ok.Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25413	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] ebay ooops no link

--- keith kuzma <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > From: keith kuzma <keefer1_us@...> > Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:37:34 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [S-Trains] ebay > > This looks like a pretty good deal.I don't know the > seller but his recent feedback looks ok.Keith > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3128148728&category=480 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25414	From: mdg312003	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

I have purchased from them and was very pleased with the quality and service. I like to use gilbert ho because they have never charged me shipping, i save alot of money. I actually found them thru a link on RFGCO's web site. I originaly thought that they were affiliated but after asking that question. I was told that the only affiliation is that Gilbert HO has contracted with RFG to produce some of the replacement parts, since RFG was already manufacturing them. And thats all I know Hope this helps Mike DeGanno --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jhannawald@c... wrote: > They do have a web site www.gilbertho.com > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keith kuzma" <keefer1_us@y...> > To: <jarcho@r...> > Cc: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] gilbert HO > > > > Sure looks like it may be very closely related to > > RFG.Keith > > --- jarcho@r... wrote: > > > I just received a long email from some person or > > > organization called > > > :Gilbertho.com , PO box 215, Woodbury , NY 11797, > > > offering Flyer parts and > > > so forth. > > > > > > Does anyone know exactly who this is? No > > > individual's name was included > > > anywhere in the email. This struck me as kind of > > > bizarre. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > > too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25415	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/19/2003
Subject: Re: Got the "new" 336 workin' etc.

Phil K wrote: >You are absolutely correct about the amps...I had one Radio Shack >digital multitester that's about 7-8 years old and it measures >AC volts but not amps. So I bought another at RS and use it in >concert with the other to measure amps. I didn't read the >instructions beforehand and had it set wrong. Whew! That's a relief. >the Gilbert guide says healthy 336s should use no more than 1.3 when >operated at 12 volts on the rollers with no load. Well, uh, actually the Gilbert instructions say it should draw 1.3 amps WITH a specific load (pulling four boxcars) a certain distance within a certain time. To my knowledge, Gilbert didn't call for the use of a roller-equipped test stand. (Not that it isn't a good idea...) >Once I finally read the instructions for the new multitester (DUH!) >and set it properly, it showed 0.34 amps at 12v, >which is more like >it. WAY more like it. Pretty durn good, in fact. Congrats on your good find! :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25416	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Failure - Let's Get Real

S-Folks, IMHO You folks would like Harvard style business case study done for an MBA. In college, I wrote a marketing analysis of why Gilbert failed and received an A. But as one fellow in the list said hind sight is great, it's always 20/20. Besides, I like the Stanford B - school approach of rather than studying failure in rapidly changing times, try to study future trends and benefit from that. As far as the lauded testosterone theory, I believe the male hormone was around and doing quite well even in the decades when Gilbert corporation was successful. So I don't think that the sexual revolution of the 60s was the sole blame. I do agree with the testosterone theorist that a contributory factor may have been because the dynamic leaders died or retired and replacements for such people just don't grow on trees. The pattern certainly is evident from historical data fro many companies that floundered at about the same time period. Although, do any of you really think had AC lived another 20 years and been of sound mind and health - he would have done any better? Most industry icons are "of their generation" and the skills that worked for that generation may not be enough in another generation. Also, as in politics, it is said that most dictators are horrible at picking successors. A side note, CTT did a satire article on what would have happened if the Girls train was a smash hit - changing logos to use pink ... etc. Also, a recent CTT article of a Lionel employee said that Lionel was approached to make the "Barbie" doll by its inventors and rejected it. It is amusing to see the other markets that Lionel tried to get into - fishing rods, 3-D cameras and military instruments including satellites (although never came to much fruition). In one sense, Wrather was ahead of his time with the tie in to the Bond movies and television series for toys. At least Wrather understood the power of that medium on the children. Look at the star wars toy promotionals that were a mega hit 20 years later. I'm not saying he was a good executive; he wasn't really a toy industry guy and obviously failed. Basically the reason Gilbert and Lionel hit hard times was a sudden lost interest in toy trains as children's interest shifted and as other toys came out that reflected those interests. The loss of capital exasperated the company's attempts to try other marketplaces because it was on such a short time frame due to the capital restriction. Also, both companies were specialty toy manufacturers, and never really excelled at the general toy market place analysis like its contemporary rivals. The nimbleness of marketplace analysis and manufacturing required was much too foreign to both Lionel and AC Gilbert. In order to survive, Gilbert would have probably had to totally drop our beloved trains and been practically unrecognizable to us had it survived. The awkward attempts to try other market places was not a bad thing to do, but the violent loss of sales from the later fifties onward was a shock to both companies especially since it was right after the halcyon market place of the early 50s up to mid - 50s. I think the best manifestation of this is looking at Gilbert catalogs from 1957 to 1963 or so. It quite dramatic the way the product line dwindled to allow the desperate attempts to develop new markets. I think that Lionel was sort of lucky in that a type of nostalgia has hit the marketplace that basically saved Lionel. Even gen-Xers are fascinated by nostalgia products. Lionel is now considered part of "Americana"- sort of like Harley-Davidson, the trade name has that type of nostalgia power to it. Hey dad, can we throw a Lionel around the Christmas tree - note that Lionel's best selling set is the 219.00 NYC Flyer set - a great Christmas tree set at an affordable price. MPC knew this and saved the brand name but wasn't really interested in pursuing the required continued dedication to developing the market again. Other owners since are trying to promote toy trains and have been rather successful. I think that toy train prices will drop dramatically in the next generation, with lower cost overseas production and an eventually shrinking marketplace as we die off. The lack of demand will also put pressure on prices. Could the former leadership of Gilbert even fathom off shore production and internationalization issues? Although, it is again interesting to note that Wrather did produce scenic panels in Spain for the modular train sets. Again, the attempt may have been too far ahead of its time. Even today, there are companies that see a coming doom and are having difficulty avoiding it - such notable names as Xerox, Kodak and American Airlines come to mind. What advice would we give these formerly very successful corporations today? Looking at theses companies today, we may be better able to understand the challenges of "turning it around" and that although good management is needed at the top there are other exogenous issues that even maybe good management can't solve. Maybe as in nature, business social Darwinism is a good thing and those that cannot adapt must fail to provide room for the development of new successful corporate species. After all, look at the fortune 500 top twenty list in 1950 and look at it now... quite a change. And after all, although loyalists don't like to admit it, Gilbert couldn't even dominate its own market niche, Lionel had (depending on who you talk to) about 66% versus Gilbert's 1/3 - not bad at all, but certainly not a dominating force. Maybe in the final analysis - Gilbert Toy Corporation just became an illustrative Darwinistic anachronism that had to go - it certainly wasn't the only one. What do you think - could we REALLY have expected AC Gilbert Corporation to survive into the next century? PS: Keep going deep for the silver and black attack.... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25417	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Failure - Let's Get Real

S-Folks, IMHO You folks would like Harvard style business case study done for an MBA. In college, I wrote a marketing analysis of why Gilbert failed and received an A. But as one fellow in the list said hind sight is great, it's always 20/20. Besides, I like the Stanford B - school approach of rather than studying failure in rapidly changing times, try to study future trends and benefit from that. As far as the lauded testosterone theory, I believe the male hormone was around and doing quite well even in the decades when Gilbert corporation was successful. So I don't think that the sexual revolution of the 60s was the sole blame. I do agree with the testosterone theorist that a contributory factor may have been because the dynamic leaders died or retired and replacements for such people just don't grow on trees. The pattern certainly is evident from historical data fro many companies that floundered at about the same time period. Although, do any of you really think had AC lived another 20 years and been of sound mind and health - he would have done any better? Most industry icons are "of their generation" and the skills that worked for that generation may not be enough in another generation. Also, as in politics, it is said that most dictators are horrible at picking successors. A side note, CTT did a satire article on what would have happened if the Girls train was a smash hit - changing logos to use pink ... etc. Also, a recent CTT article of a Lionel employee said that Lionel was approached to make the "Barbie" doll by its inventors and rejected it. It is amusing to see the other markets that Lionel tried to get into - fishing rods, 3-D cameras and military instruments including satellites (although never came to much fruition). In one sense, Wrather was ahead of his time with the tie in to the Bond movies and television series for toys. At least Wrather understood the power of that medium on the children. Look at the star wars toy promotionals that were a mega hit 20 years later. I'm not saying he was a good executive; he wasn't really a toy industry guy and obviously failed. Basically the reason Gilbert and Lionel hit hard times was a sudden lost interest in toy trains as children's interest shifted and as other toys came out that reflected those interests. The loss of capital exasperated the company's attempts to try other marketplaces because it was on such a short time frame due to the capital restriction. Also, both companies were specialty toy manufacturers, and never really excelled at the general toy market place analysis like its contemporary rivals. The nimbleness of marketplace analysis and manufacturing required was much too foreign to both Lionel and AC Gilbert. In order to survive, Gilbert would have probably had to totally drop our beloved trains and been practically unrecognizable to us had it survived. The awkward attempts to try other market places was not a bad thing to do, but the violent loss of sales from the later fifties onward was a shock to both companies especially since it was right after the halcyon market place of the early 50s up to mid - 50s. I think the best manifestation of this is looking at Gilbert catalogs from 1957 to 1963 or so. It quite dramatic the way the product line dwindled to allow the desperate attempts to develop new markets. I think that Lionel was sort of lucky in that a type of nostalgia has hit the marketplace that basically saved Lionel. Even gen-Xers are fascinated by nostalgia products. Lionel is now considered part of "Americana"- sort of like Harley-Davidson, the trade name has that type of nostalgia power to it. Hey dad, can we throw a Lionel around the Christmas tree - note that Lionel's best selling set is the 219.00 NYC Flyer set - a great Christmas tree set at an affordable price. MPC knew this and saved the brand name but wasn't really interested in pursuing the required continued dedication to developing the market again. Other owners since are trying to promote toy trains and have been rather successful. I think that toy train prices will drop dramatically in the next generation, with lower cost overseas production and an eventually shrinking marketplace as we die off. The lack of demand will also put pressure on prices. Could the former leadership of Gilbert even fathom off shore production and internationalization issues? Although, it is again interesting to note that Wrather did produce scenic panels in Spain for the modular train sets. Again, the attempt may have been too far ahead of its time. Even today, there are companies that see a coming doom and are having difficulty avoiding it - such notable names as Xerox, Kodak and American Airlines come to mind. What advice would we give these formerly very successful corporations today? Looking at theses companies today, we may be better able to understand the challenges of "turning it around" and that although good management is needed at the top there are other exogenous issues that even maybe good management can't solve. Maybe as in nature, business social Darwinism is a good thing and those that cannot adapt must fail to provide room for the development of new successful corporate species. After all, look at the fortune 500 top twenty list in 1950 and look at it now... quite a change. And after all, although loyalists don't like to admit it, Gilbert couldn't even dominate its own market niche, Lionel had (depending on who you talk to) about 66% versus Gilbert's 1/3 - not bad at all, but certainly not a dominating force. Maybe in the final analysis - Gilbert Toy Corporation just became an illustrative Darwinistic anachronism that had to go - it certainly wasn't the only one. What do you think - could we REALLY have expected AC Gilbert Corporation to survive into the next century? PS: Keep going deep for the silver and black attack.... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25418	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] ebay ooops no link

So did you get it or someone else? I don't think the seller really knew how to get $$$ out of eBay. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25419	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Bridge Piers/Abutments

Thanks to all who have answered my query. As usual, lots of info and help. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25420	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Bridge Piers/Abutments

Could you guys who answered Rance's question about bridge piers and abutments, post copies of your answers on the list? I am interested in this topic, and I think a lot of others would be as well. i use Flyer trestles with cut down Atlas HO girder bridges between them on my floor layouts. I would ldeally like to find some plastic abutments and piers that could work well with them. Right now I use chunks of 2 x 4, sometines covered with scored foam core board to represent stone blocks. There has gotta be a better way. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25421	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: 2003 NASG National Convention

Hi Guys, Jeff Madden and the NASG would like me to tell you about a very important page out on the Badgerland S Gaugers website. http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/index.htm To get information on the Convention, click on the 'NASG 2003' . On the convention page the registration forms are behind the "Ticket Booth" link http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/NASG2003/reg2003.htm If you have trouble finding any convention information, please contact rmeissner at wi.rr.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25422	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/20/2003
Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Failure - Let's Get Real

Nice rant, Scott. You get 'nother "A"! :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Brown To: S-List Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 8:43 PM Subject: Re: AC Gilbert Failure - Let's Get Real --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@h...> wrote: > S-Folks, > > IMHO > > You folks would like Harvard style business case study done for an MBA. > In college, I wrote a marketing analysis of why Gilbert failed and > received an A. But as one fellow in the list said hind sight is great, > it's always 20/20. Besides, I like the Stanford B - school approach of > rather than studying failure in rapidly changing times, try to study > future trends and benefit from that... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25423	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Gilbert would not have survived.

Hi James Bond was the key to their future. If they had survived they would have hit the collector market, but that was a long way off. TI could not sell education software, so Gilbert had too many education products. They had HO, but did not push it and that did not make any sence to me. They should have built other Companies products. Penn Line HO copied Gilbert as did Varney, but they did not servive either. There dies are still being used. Revell HO was what I bought and they droped out as did Lindberg which had a coil drive. So how could they have survived making trains? Jim Sleeth __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25424	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

BIZARRE!? I think it's BIZARRE that you continue to try and spread rumors. Get real!!!! Trains are suppose to be fun, bring enjoyment, not an avenue to cast dispersions. It ain't the boogy man! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > I just received a long email from some person or organization called > :Gilbertho.com , PO box 215, Woodbury , NY 11797, offering Flyer parts and > so forth. > > Does anyone know exactly who this is? No individual's name was included > anywhere in the email. This struck me as kind of bizarre. > > Thanks. > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25425	From: srgriggs	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

Geez, lighten up. I'm pretty sure Tom's intention was not to cast aspersions on anyone. I agree that it's strange that someone would send an anonymous email offering to sell parts without mentioning their own name. There's no need to bring strife to the board over the strained interpretation of a random comment. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pushpinss" <pushpinss@y...> wrote: > BIZARRE!? I think it's BIZARRE that you continue to try and spread > rumors. Get real!!!! > > Trains are suppose to be fun, bring enjoyment, not an avenue to cast > dispersions. > > It ain't the boogy man! > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > > I just received a long email from some person or organization called > > :Gilbertho.com , PO box 215, Woodbury , NY 11797, offering Flyer > parts and > > so forth. > > > > Does anyone know exactly who this is? No individual's name was > included > > anywhere in the email. This struck me as kind of bizarre. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25426	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

Gilbert HO = Sabrina....was on the Chat last night...She has A toy company and is going to do AF HO stuff both new and old parts and sets...The lady might have something here as most of us have some Gilbert HO..She is going to wholesale "s" to dealers too. I for one hope its works for her......Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: gilbert HO > Geez, lighten up. I'm pretty sure Tom's intention was not to cast > aspersions on anyone. I agree that it's strange that someone would > send an anonymous email offering to sell parts without mentioning > their own name. There's no need to bring strife to the board over > the strained interpretation of a random comment. > > Scott > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pushpinss" <pushpinss@y...> wrote: > > BIZARRE!? I think it's BIZARRE that you continue to try and spread > > rumors. Get real!!!! > > > > Trains are suppose to be fun, bring enjoyment, not an avenue to > cast > > dispersions. > > > > It ain't the boogy man! > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > > > I just received a long email from some person or organization > called > > > :Gilbertho.com , PO box 215, Woodbury , NY 11797, offering Flyer > > parts and > > > so forth. > > > > > > Does anyone know exactly who this is? No individual's name was > > included > > > anywhere in the email. This struck me as kind of bizarre. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25427	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Ebay high prices

A 326 for $95 last night ,A NP pasenger set (gilbert not Lionel) $550 today.There sure are some deals out !!! Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25428	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

The email had the company name and website. I suppose every company that sends out an email ad or any advertising, puts the CEO's name on it. I think Tom has another agenda and that is toobad. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@u...> wrote: > Geez, lighten up. I'm pretty sure Tom's intention was not to cast > aspersions on anyone. I agree that it's strange that someone would > send an anonymous email offering to sell parts without mentioning > their own name. There's no need to bring strife to the board over > the strained interpretation of a random comment. > > Scott > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pushpinss" <pushpinss@y...> wrote: > > BIZARRE!? I think it's BIZARRE that you continue to try and spread > > rumors. Get real!!!! > > > > Trains are suppose to be fun, bring enjoyment, not an avenue to > cast > > dispersions. > > > > It ain't the boogy man! > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > > > I just received a long email from some person or organization > called > > > :Gilbertho.com , PO box 215, Woodbury , NY 11797, offering Flyer > > parts and > > > so forth. > > > > > > Does anyone know exactly who this is? No individual's name was > > included > > > anywhere in the email. This struck me as kind of bizarre. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25429	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

Now Tom has a name, how about blood type? Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > Gilbert HO = Sabrina....was on the Chat last night...She has A toy company > and is going to do AF HO stuff both new and old parts and sets...The lady > might have something here as most of us have some Gilbert HO..She is going > to wholesale "s" to dealers too. I for one hope its works for her......Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@u...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 12:20 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: gilbert HO > > > > Geez, lighten up. I'm pretty sure Tom's intention was not to cast > > aspersions on anyone. I agree that it's strange that someone would > > send an anonymous email offering to sell parts without mentioning > > their own name. There's no need to bring strife to the board over > > the strained interpretation of a random comment. > > > > Scott > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pushpinss" <pushpinss@y...> wrote: > > > BIZARRE!? I think it's BIZARRE that you continue to try and spread > > > rumors. Get real!!!! > > > > > > Trains are suppose to be fun, bring enjoyment, not an avenue to > > cast > > > dispersions. > > > > > > It ain't the boogy man! > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > > > > I just received a long email from some person or organization > > called > > > > :Gilbertho.com , PO box 215, Woodbury , NY 11797, offering Flyer > > > parts and > > > > so forth. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know exactly who this is? No individual's name was > > > included > > > > anywhere in the email. This struck me as kind of bizarre. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25430	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

SOMETHING certainly does not look good. All I did was attempt to find out who the proprietor of a small business was. This business had offered me goods and services for sale that day, and my inquiry was legitimate. For some reason, and here's the part I don't understand, my question seems to have provoked a torrent of personal abuse and obfuscation. It is not acceptable to be abused as I was yesterday in a public forum, merely for asking a legitimate question. As long as the abuse continues, I will continue to ask questions about the source of the abuse, and the reason for it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25431	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

It wasn't the question, it was the commentary! You seem to have a motive or an agenda, otherwise way not accept the name Gilbert Ho? Gilbert Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > SOMETHING certainly does not look good. > > All I did was attempt to find out who the proprietor of a small business > was. This business had offered me goods and services for sale that day, > and my inquiry was legitimate. > > For some reason, and here's the part I don't understand, my question seems > to have provoked a torrent of personal abuse and obfuscation. > > It is not acceptable to be abused as I was yesterday in a public forum, > merely for asking a legitimate question. > > As long as the abuse continues, I will continue to ask questions about the > source of the abuse, and the reason for it. > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25432	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Hydrocal Structures - Mainline Modeler

A while back someone posted a reference to an article on creating an s-scale structure using hydrocal that appeared in the December 2002 issue of MM. I finally found a copy over the weekend, and it does look verrry interesting (altho I'm not sure I can make it work!). However, I do not understand one part, or maybe I have just missed it. After describing how to prepare the "master mold" for the door and window openings, the author, Philippe Coquet, says in Step 7, "The frame was carefully set into the rubber mold of the brick surface...." What brick mold? Does anyone understand where that comes from, or who makes it? As always, thanks for any help. Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25433	From: Robert Wight	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

Geez man, Tom just asked a simple question. No big deal. He is very well liked and respected on this list. He has helped me out alot over the years along with many others. I always look forward to his posts. He doesnt deserve this. Lets play nice. Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "pushpinss" <pushpinss@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: gilbert HO Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:59:39 -0000 The email had the company name and website. I suppose every company that sends out an email ad or any advertising, puts the CEO's name on it. I think Tom has another agenda and that is toobad. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@u...> wrote: > Geez, lighten up. I'm pretty sure Tom's intention was not to cast > aspersions on anyone. I agree that it's strange that someone would > send an anonymous email offering to sell parts without mentioning > their own name. There's no need to bring strife to the board over > the strained interpretation of a random comment. > > Scott > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pushpinss" <pushpinss@y...> wrote: > > BIZARRE!? I think it's BIZARRE that you continue to try and spread > > rumors. Get real!!!! > > > > Trains are suppose to be fun, bring enjoyment, not an avenue to > cast > > dispersions. > > > > It ain't the boogy man! > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > > > I just received a long email from some person or organization > called > > > :Gilbertho.com , PO box 215, Woodbury , NY 11797, offering Flyer > > parts and > > > so forth. > > > > > > Does anyone know exactly who this is? No individual's name was > > included > > > anywhere in the email. This struck me as kind of bizarre. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25434	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

Sabrina is apparently related in some way to the owner of rfgco.com, Giardina. She has been somewhat coy about it, which is the reason for Tom's reaction. Had she just come out front and said who she was, that would have ended the whole exchange. I suspect the rfgco.com is run by her father-enlaw. So no big deal! But had she just answered the questions in the first place, that would have ended it. Perhaps this is a publicity stunt. She has certainly gotten much more attention than she would have elsewise! Just my thoughts... I could be way off base...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25435	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

I guess the other side of that same coin could have been,when she refused to answer,Mr.Jarcho just drop it and not do business with them if he had issues.Which could have ended the whole exchange.Keith --- Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: > Sabrina is apparently related in some way to the > owner of rfgco.com, > Giardina. She has been somewhat coy about it, which > is the reason for > Tom's reaction. > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25436	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Gilbert HO

I missed the chat Sunday night and in my email I keep receiving posts about this GilbertHo.com....Is their something I need to be aware of with this outfit and what did I miss??? If somebody could please email me and give a clue...I would be thankful...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25437	From: mdg312003	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

You know, enough is enough already ! I personally have ordered from Gilbert HO and found their service and quality to be very good. I dont think this would be a good way for someone to achieve publicity , as I have read other posts of some sort of "publicity stunt". It is what it is and thats it. Train parts and supplies for people like us. Mike --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hogilbertnut" <SFLYERCRAZY@a...> wrote: > I missed the chat Sunday night and in my email I keep receiving > posts about this GilbertHo.com....Is their something I need to be > aware of with this outfit and what did I miss??? If somebody could > please email me and give a clue...I would be thankful...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25438	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

This message proves my point. "Is there something I need to be aware of with this outfit". By using the word "Bizarre", Tom cast a shadow over someone he doesn't even know. Words are powerful things, they should be used with care. They are indeed mightier than the sword. It is clear now, that in an effort to resurrect some long dead issue, Tom is willing to muddy anyones reputation. I have not posted the messages he sent me today, because I feel sorry for anyone who hates so much. I am happy that the vast majority of those who emailed me today, agree with me. I hoped that Tom would see how he sounded by my jabbing at him, alas he hasn't. I don't know Tom, but felt that his type of rhetoric did not belong here. How sad. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hogilbertnut" <SFLYERCRAZY@a...> wrote: > I missed the chat Sunday night and in my email I keep receiving > posts about this GilbertHo.com....Is their something I need to be > aware of with this outfit and what did I miss??? If somebody could > please email me and give a clue...I would be thankful...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25439	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Gilbert HO

Im not trying to add fuel to the fire. I was just curious about what was going on. I have bought stuff from them and have been very happy with the items I got. Im looking forward to some of the other items they plan on releasing. I never thought Id live to see the day when somebody would bring out some more Gilbert HO.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25440	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Continuing thread about GHO

This message proves my point. "Is there something I need to be aware of with this outfit". By using the word "Bizarre", Tom cast a shadow over someone he doesn't even know. To those of you who continue to bash Tom Jarcho for asking a very simple question in terms you didn't like or understand. Shut up! You have all taken this one question and turned it into Tom bashing. He asked a good question! I made the point to pushpin directly. He still obviously has a personal problem with Tom which he pointed out to me in his e-mail. Tom has done nothing wrong. Tom recieved his answer at chat last night. Tom does not have a problem. The ones attacking him do. Nobody has attacked GilbertHO. Quit reading things that aren't there. If you want to know more of what goes on then show up to chat. Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25441	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

SOMETHING certainly does not look good. All I did was attempt to find out who the proprietor of a small business was. This business had offered me goods and services for sale that day, and my inquiry was legitimate. For some reason, and here's the part I don't understand, my question seems to have provoked a torrent of personal abuse and obfuscation. It is not acceptable to be abused as I was yesterday in a public forum, merely for asking a legitimate question. As long as the abuse continues, I will continue to ask questions about the source of the abuse, and the reason for it. Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25442	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: gilberthofiasco

:"Joseph Higgins" "Joe Gilbert", "Pushpins". "Sabrina Giardina" or whoever you are: If you keep insulting me, I will keep defending myself. The longer this goes on, the more people will realize exactly what is going on here. Is that what you want? The world of Flyer fans is very small -- probably less that 7500 active at any given time. The subset of Flyer HO fans is even smaller -- only a few thousand. I consider it bizarre that someone would seek to operate anonymously in such a small niche market, as Gilbertho apparently aspires to do. I consider it bixarre that a company in the business of replacement toy train parts would attempt to conceal its ownership . i consider it bizarre that they would launch a campaign of personal harassment at someone who merely asked who the owner of such a company was. For the record, I sent "pushpinss" only two emails. One asked him to identify himself, and the second I also posted on this list this afternoon. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25443	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Bashing Tom???

I hope you dont think that Im bashing Tom. Cause Im not!!! Im just confused as to why a "parts dealer" would want to be vague about who they are and what they represent. Im in the category of a few thousand gilbert HO collectors(I actually think there is less). I think everything Flyer is great. Ive collected all the guages at one time or another and met alot of super people who love flyer. Ive also been takin by the vague and shady people from time to time but Im not gonna let that ruin my fun. As for the chat room issue, with this AOL stuff Im running I have a heckuva time gettin into the room. If somebody could send me an email on how to get there with out throwing my puter out the window, I would be in indebted...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25444	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] gilberthofiasco

it sure is nice to have these intelligent e mail letters aired on the public it makes me feel very ------------------------ can we get some intelligent train info on this site or is it beyond the ability of the members to stop such asinine dribble come on this is about train and how to enjoy them tired and ready to quit the s gauge site Marv Dobson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25445	From: mdg312003	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: OK I think this will end the Gilbert HO saga

The people at Gilbert HO are doing a great thing. They are trying to bring back what it was. Is that a bad thing??? As for whom owns the company, why should anyone care. When we go to buy a new car, do we ask for dealerships owners name. Do we find it bizzare that every store doesn't have the owners name on the sign. Well I dont care. I certainly dont think that any of this was a publicity stunt. I think that we all should learn a lesson from this, Some people are involved in toy trains to make a living, not to make friends and buddies. If we dont know the person who owns a company so what. It is your decision to buy or not to buy. I have bought lots of stuff from Gilbert HO and it is all great stuff. And now we all know the owners name. I still don't care who her relatives are or are not. It is certainly not the million dollar question. Nobody is gonna get a gold medal. So lets all get along and accept change and new blood. If we dont what the heck is the point. And on one last thought , If by some small chance this may have been a "publicity stunt" then so be it, because by gosh, she's a pretty darn smart lady, and I will tell you this; I'd prefer to get my supplies from an intellegent source ! And don't you guys all know by now, the woman is always right :) !! Well thats my view Mike DeGanno --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hogilbertnut" <SFLYERCRAZY@a...> wrote: > I hope you dont think that Im bashing Tom. Cause Im not!!! Im just > confused as to why a "parts dealer" would want to be vague about who > they are and what they represent. Im in the category of a few > thousand gilbert HO collectors(I actually think there is less). I > think everything Flyer is great. Ive collected all the guages at one > time or another and met alot of super people who love flyer. Ive also > been takin by the vague and shady people from time to time but Im not > gonna let that ruin my fun. As for the chat room issue, with this AOL > stuff Im running I have a heckuva time gettin into the room. If > somebody could send me an email on how to get there with out throwing > my puter out the window, I would be in indebted...Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25446	From: pushpinss	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Re: gilberthofiasco

I don't know who insulted you in the Sunday chat. My point, that you keep making for me is your idea that someone was concealing something from you, and that by so doing they were BIZARRE. I understand you got your answer, why do you persist in believing this is a personal attact? I have been trying to point out that you are casting a dispersion on others, not that I was casting a dispersion on you!!! Your Email to me accused me of abusing you, when I was only trying to make a point. Your first email to me, accused me because I didn't put my name on it. What's in a name? Joe annonymous --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > :"Joseph Higgins" "Joe Gilbert", "Pushpins". "Sabrina Giardina" or whoever > you are: If you keep insulting me, I will keep defending myself. The > longer this goes on, the more people will realize exactly what is going on > here. Is that what you want? > > The world of Flyer fans is very small -- probably less that 7500 active at > any given time. > > The subset of Flyer HO fans is even smaller -- only a few thousand. > > I consider it bizarre that someone would seek to operate anonymously in > such a small niche market, as Gilbertho apparently aspires to do. I > consider it bixarre that a company in the business of replacement toy train > parts would attempt to conceal its ownership . i consider it bizarre that > they would launch a campaign of personal harassment at someone who merely > asked who the owner of such a company was. > > For the record, I sent "pushpinss" only two emails. One asked him to > identify himself, and the second I also posted on this list this afternoon. > > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25447	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: eBay auctions.....ya snooze-ya loose!!

Well,..what's worse then being sniped?? (and sniping doesn't bother me personally)....how 'bout sittin' in front of your computer and a "outbid" notice comes in.....you click on "bid again" and find the auction ended.... you lost by .50 cents, possibly.....and the auction ended as you were playing/working on the computer!!!! It just happened to me!!! Can everyone say together,.... "WHATTA MAROON!!" Oh well,....it was only on a 639 painted reefer,....another will come along! Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25448	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: On the lighter side

Me and the Mrs are remodiling the second floor of our house. I was talking about putting a Gilbert HO layout here and then running acouple of loops of S around the floor of the room, doing this and doing that. She made the comment that as long as there was a place for us to sleep up there that would all be fine. I wonder if she would mind sharing a fold up cot????:)) What do ya think???..LOL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25449	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: On the lighter side...HO....

I got a buddy of mine hooked on trains a while back.....BUT,..he chose HO!! It sickens me when we go to a train show and he gets a BIG-O-bag of HO rolling stock for around $45.00,... and I walk out with ONE AF piece for the same money!! I told him,...if ya want to spend some REAL money,...get into A.C. Gilbert HO !!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25450	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: Whooda-Thunkitt (was: gilberthofiasco)

Somebody seems to have an "agenda" alright, but it sure isn't Tom J. Could there be a t-r-o-l-l amongst us? Speaking of trains, may I suggest one way of preventing unnecessary bandwidth use here? It might help to avoid the posting of such insightful comments as: "Toy trains are supposed to be FUN!" Do tell? Well, DUH! I was under the impression that we were all in this hobby to dispose of excess income. "Fun" you say? Well, I never...the very idea! Just a suggestion. Do as y'all wish. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25451	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: What's in a name?

I have been reading all the banter about insults, the use of the word bizarre, secret ownership of business etc. I don't have any idea why a person or persons would want to keep their name unattached to the business they operate. Sam and I are proud to have out names associated with our S-gauge products. Don Thompson, Doug Peck, Joe Haene, et. al. are proud to have their names headlining their businesses. I too would have skepticism of anyone offering products to me and not wanting to identify themselves. We don't get to see our seller/buyer face to face most of the time so it is important to have a name/address out there to deal with. I doubt many of you would have bought our motors and videos if we had not identified ourselves right up front. I sure hope this all ends because it is very tiring to have to delete so much junk to get to the good stuff on the list. Steve Blackburn S-'n-S Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25452	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/21/2003
Subject: S-Trains - Missing Person - WWF War of The Worlds

S-Gaugers, I love a flame fight on the internet groups... I am taking bets on the new WWF Slam Down Event For this week... :>) Featuring: Tom "The Tank" J versus Mysterio - "The masked opponent" (Eee gads, could it be a woman!) I like both of them, but I do think its interesting and relevant to know ownership, but I guess we could all just stay calm and have fun and not get too personal regarding opinions or intentions... and that means all you &%$# SOB's!... And please stop all the political opinions - things like "Have a nice day" do not belong on a special interest group! I hope Mr. Yorke will continue to keep it in check. Actually, I get a kick out of the chat room and check it out every so often... but its definitely not for the politically correct, or sensitive folks, but I always try to view it as informative first, humorous second, and then offensive third... CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG??????? If not, are we going to have to meet and beat tom-toms in the forest next to a fire... Or start appearing on the Jerry Springer show..... BTW, what ever happened to Chris Zee - I haven't seen a post from him in a while ... I hope he's doing ok... Does anyone know? Don't bother replying to me about this message with a what does this have to do with S-Trains - its a group activity and that tacitly implies that normal human communication may be allowed... then again - HIT ME WITH YOUR BEST SHOT - I'll see you in the Slam Down next week! And of course, no S-Trains message would be complete without bandwidth wastage... TOY TRAINS ARE FUN PS: Chuck F the last remark was for you :>) Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25453	From: rettram	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: OV Digital edition 2003-032

Hello everybody, Yesterday was a special day in Rotterdam, because the vienna (Weense) trams in Rotterdam had a ride on the RMO, and that is not something normal. The 652 and 658 where driving the special ride. I have alot of pictures of this event on my website. Lots of pleasure wished looking at the pictures http://www.ov-digitaal.tk/ regards, Marvin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25454	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Transformer

- GreetingS - First a `Thank You' to Tom Jarcho for a transformer summary he sent to me. Tom, it is very much appreciated. I have just made what I hope is a permanent repair (not temporary) to a model 1033 (looks like the oldmodel "S") from that other company. It shows very little wear outside or inside. However, the circuit breaker is a mess. After the current adjustment was set, the screw was locked into place with unfriendly expoxy. It put a layer of cor- rosion on the screw, brass arm, and, of course, the contacts. I washed down all the afflicted parts with isopropyl, then gave the contacts a thin coating of CaiLube. CaiLube is the contact enhancer that Chris Zizzo helped make available to us. Good stuff. The transformer which before treatment would only light a caboose now runs a twin-motor AF Diesel very well. It is on its way back to the original owner. I hope he reports that it works well, also. Has anyone encountered a similar corrosion from expoxy, apparently applied at the factory? Just curious. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25455	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: E-Bay Billing Scam - Again

Greetings, Well, it looks like the e-bay billing scam is going again. I'll try to forward it to e-Bay for their research. Soooo ---- Look Out! Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25456	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Reputations are Important

I have sat back and watched with some amusement the goings on lately, especially the thread regarding GilbertHO. As an American Flyer parts dealer, I try to personally get to know each of my more than 30 suppliers. My reputation depends to a large degree on their reputation and the quality of their merchandise. Some of you are members of TCA. Others disdain this organization. However, TCA works to protect the integrity of business dealings about trains. To this end, some TCA members (including parts dealers) have had their memberships dropped. I believe that Tom Jarcho was trying to determine whether a "front" was being set up for one such dealer. This, I believe, is very legitimate. He is trying to protect himself. Tom may be highly opinionated (thank goodness), but he also is extremely reputable. I find it interesting that he is being attacked by someone who refuses to identify himself. If there is nothing to hide, be open and honest about yourself. Each of you as consumers have a right to buy from anyone, and should feel free to exercise that right. As long as they are honest in their dealings with you, continue to use them. Fortunately, there are more options available now than any time in the last 20 years. That is what makes this hobby so great. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25457	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: gilbert HO

Who cares who is related to who..... As long as we get good products, at good prices with timely mailing.... She seems like a REAL nice Lady just trying to make and honest buck and help bring back some of the old things we love........So lets just drop the whole mess...Its clogging my PUTER..... By the way...My Grandmothers maiden name was "JAMES"....Yes I am related!!!!! Bob Conner > > Sabrina is apparently related in some way to the > > owner of rfgco.com, > > Giardina. She has been somewhat coy about it, which > > is the reason for

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25458	From: rfgiardina	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: Reputations are Important

Your right Joe and one TCA member didn't like having the TCA as a silent partner, demanding to have 1 of each of his parts sent to them for inspection. And having the TCA demand that he sign a seperate agreement to mark parts that the TCA felt were to close to the originals. And that when that member filed a complaint with the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office, the TCA tried to drop his membership, but the TCA had to pay for that attempt. I think if you don't mention any names, you don't violate the non- disclosure agreement? By the way Joe, I never properly thanked you for your generious ORDER and confidence in the RFG reputation. Bob Giardina --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > I have sat back and watched with some amusement the > goings on lately, especially the thread regarding > GilbertHO. As an American Flyer parts dealer, I try > to personally get to know each of my more than 30 > suppliers. My reputation depends to a large degree on > their reputation and the quality of their merchandise. > > Some of you are members of TCA. Others disdain this > organization. However, TCA works to protect the > integrity of business dealings about trains. To this > end, some TCA members (including parts dealers) have > had their memberships dropped. I believe that Tom > Jarcho was trying to determine whether a "front" was > being set up for one such dealer. This, I believe, is > very legitimate. He is trying to protect himself. > > Tom may be highly opinionated (thank goodness), but he > also is extremely reputable. I find it interesting > that he is being attacked by someone who refuses to > identify himself. If there is nothing to hide, be > open and honest about yourself. > > Each of you as consumers have a right to buy from > anyone, and should feel free to exercise that right. > As long as they are honest in their dealings with you, > continue to use them. Fortunately, there are more > options available now than any time in the last 20 > years. That is what makes this hobby so great. > > Joe > > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25459	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: MTH RR Crossing Flashers with Sound.

MTH produces a set of RR Crossing flashers with sound that I am considering purchasing. It doesn't appear to include a track trip of any sort. Any help/advice on how to wire this accessory using AC power on an AF layout would be appreciated. Bruce.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25460	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: MTH RR Crossing Flashers with Sound.

I used Z Stuff for Trains IR detectors and a relay to actuate flashers on our RASG Modular Layout. The flasher circuit has to be built into the flashers using this system. If the MTH flashers include the flasher circuit this will work. Z Stuff's web site is at- http://www.z-stuff.net/ Bruce Papky wrote: > > MTH produces a set of RR Crossing flashers with sound that I am > considering purchasing. It doesn't appear to include a track trip of > any sort. Any help/advice on how to wire this accessory using AC power > on an AF layout would be appreciated. > > Bruce. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25461	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: S-Trains - Missing Person - WWF War of The Worlds

Scott, You had best be careful before you hear from an attorney for the WWF (World Wildlife Fund). They get really upset if someone confuses them with the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment). It cost the non- defunct WWF (World Wrestling Federation) a ton of money to convert from WWF to WWE. BG1 BTW - This is all in jest - so aim all the flamethrowers elsewhere please ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25462	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: E-mail address

Due to problems with our phone line, it was necessary to go back to AOL. - Our address is now as it originally was - jjmemmer@... - thanks Jerry and Marilyn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25463	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Kadee Coupler Height Gauge For S Scale

Hi Art: Click on "Members", and then click on the button "Clearinghouse". It is the last listed product. It took me a while to find it but it is there. Regards, Rance Velapoldi Art Armstrong wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ekelly1234" <ekelly76@...> > > > > >>Hi All, >> Anyone know where I can purchase one of the above? And for you >> >> > > >The NASG used to sell these - I bought a couple at the San Jose meet in 2000 >but I can't find anything listed on the website. > >Kadee has them listed on their website >http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page174.htm > >But, as usual, the problem is to find a retail outlet that stocks them. > >Art > > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25464	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: eBay auctions.....soporific problems...

**(((It's spelled "Moron"... :>) but I still don't think you or anyone else on the list is one... probably a typo...))*** Yer right,...m-o-r-o-n spells "moron".....however,...m-a-r-o-o-n spells, "maroon".... as in "whatta Maroon!",......I believe it to be a quote by Bugs Bunny!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25465	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: repro circus set

Someone asked recently about one of these sets....It might be one of the sets by Preston Richards.....TCA Bob Conner American Flyer Circus Train Set Restored Item # 3128250271

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25466	From: Lance McCold	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Myrtle Beach SC railroading

I will be in Myrtle Beach vacationing May 3 through 7. Can any of you recommend good hobby shops, S layouts or other RR-related activities in the vicinity? Thanks, Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25467	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: HOCKEY >HOCKEY..What else ..eh

GO>>CANUCKS>>GO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25468	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: My latest eBay auction.....

Well,..with my bid of $19.48...I was winning the auction of a red #651 'New Haven' Baggage Car.....I opened two windows, and sat in front of the computer for ten minutes, refreshing one screen,...waiting for another bidder,.. I was ready,..waitin' for a battle! I was pumped up!! I would show no mercy,...I would crush any bidder!! I couldn't loose!! Down to the last few seconds,...I refreshed, I twitched, I wiped my brow.....mumbling to myself.... "Come on you snipers!! I'm ready!!" If a sniper comes in now ,...it would be close!! Stay calm,... stay calm. One last refresh,....here we go......and,....and.........times up! Nobody bid!! Hmmmm.....I won? Hey! I won!! No wonder I never get in for the end of auctions,.....my nerves can't take it!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25469	From: Edward G.	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: The FAT LADY SINGS>>>>

TA DA >> WOW >>There is a HOCKEY GOD>>>after being down 3-1 CANUCKS WIN 4-1 and DEFEAT THE ST. LOUIS (BLACK &)BLUES....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25470	From: Karl Raab	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach SC

Hi Lance I was going to suggest that you check Roy Hoffmans website at http://www.s-scaletrains.com/ and click on his list of "S" friendly train shops...He was extremely helpful with suggesting shops for a trip I took last fall into the Boston area...However there were no listings so far for South carolina... Check it anyway it's a great site...and maybe someone in SC will enlighten us all... Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25471	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 4/22/2003
Subject: Re: My latest eBay auction.....

Rick, I would recommend using an automated tool next time... Less stressful... Scott Dee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25472	From: hogilbertnut	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Hockey????

Hey Ed my friend....even the sun shines on a dogs hiney once in a while!!!!!...LOL...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25473	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Clarification

For the record, Joe's Train Repair has been continuously in business and listed in the Yellow Pages in the Durham, NC area for over 26 years. It is now the largest American Flyer parts dealer in the southeast. Please do not confuse Joe's Train Repair with someone else who goes by the name of Joe's Trains. I have never placed a "substantial" order with RFG and have not ordered anything from them in more than a year. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25474	From: rfgiardina	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: Clarification

Isn't this you Joe? First Name: Joseph Last Name: Haenn Address: 404 Shetland Road City: Rougemont State: NC Zip Code: 27572-9338 Country: US Phone: 919-477-3269 Card Type: VisaCard Card Number: xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-3043 Expires: 06/2002 E-mail List: YES Ordering Option: immediate Qty Item Description Price Each Total 2 2455G 732 Green Door 10.00 20.00 2 2455R 732 Red Door 10.00 20.00 2 2033A Steps for Union Sta. 19.95 39.90 2 2033B Roof for Union Sta. 19.95 39.90 10 2161 774 Yoke (red) 3.50 35.00 4 2162 774 Globe 5.50 22.00 3 2143A Plastic tower ladder 12.00 36.00 4 2603 Chassis axle bushing set 15.00 60.00 SUBTOTAL 272.80 DISCOUNT CATALOG CLUB S&H 15.00 Insurance 6.00 NY TAX TOTAL 293.80 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > For the record, Joe's Train Repair has been > continuously in business and listed in the Yellow > Pages in the Durham, NC area for over 26 years. It is > now the largest American Flyer parts dealer in the > southeast. > > Please do not confuse Joe's Train Repair with someone > else who goes by the name of Joe's Trains. I have > never placed a "substantial" order with RFG and have > not ordered anything from them in more than a year. > > Joe > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25475	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: Clarification

What has all this got to do with trains???.....To me Joe told the truth...A substanial order would be for a lot more....and the credit card date would have expired almost a year ago!!!! (They usually send new ones a few months before the current ones expire).....Both are good companies....NOW....Lets drop this and get back to trains........ My QUESTION !!! Can any body send me a photo or list of how the FARM SET WAS PACKED? I know the parts, but was the track in a box? trannie in a box?...etc.I know the divider buildings folded in the box...But the two loose pieces of farm equip...How were they placed...like a box lid on the engine or what....I have the wagon piece but need a copy of the implement sheet..I am trying to put the set back as close as I can to the original.....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "rfgiardina" <rfgco@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Clarification > Isn't this you Joe? > > First Name: Joseph Last Name: Haenn > Address: 404 Shetland Road > City: Rougemont State: NC Zip Code: 27572-9338 > Country: US > Phone: 919-477-3269 > Card Type: VisaCard Card Number: xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-3043 Expires: > 06/2002 > E-mail List: YES Ordering Option: immediate > > > Qty Item Description Price Each > Total > 2 2455G 732 Green Door 10.00 20.00 > 2 2455R 732 Red Door 10.00 20.00 > 2 2033A Steps for Union Sta. 19.95 > 39.90 > 2 2033B Roof for Union Sta. 19.95 > 39.90 > 10 2161 774 Yoke (red) 3.50 35.00 > 4 2162 774 Globe 5.50 22.00 > 3 2143A Plastic tower ladder 12.00 > 36.00 > 4 2603 Chassis axle bushing set 15.00 > 60.00 > > SUBTOTAL 272.80 > DISCOUNT > CATALOG > CLUB > S&H 15.00 Insurance 6.00 NY TAX > TOTAL 293.80 > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> > wrote: > > For the record, Joe's Train Repair has been > > continuously in business and listed in the Yellow > > Pages in the Durham, NC area for over 26 years. It is > > now the largest American Flyer parts dealer in the > > southeast. > > > > Please do not confuse Joe's Train Repair with someone > > else who goes by the name of Joe's Trains. I have > > never placed a "substantial" order with RFG and have > > not ordered anything from them in more than a year. > > > > Joe > > > > ===== > > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25476	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Train stores in Myrtle Beach and Charleston, SC

A request was made about train stores in the Myrtle Beach area. I presently live in the upstate of SC but lived in Charleston, SC for nine years, ending in 2001. I visited Myrtle Beach several times in 2001 and there were no train stores there worth visiting, especially if one is looking for S Gague. There was one of those Great American Train Stores at that large amusement park and mall in North Myrtle Beach but I have been told that it closed. There are three train stores in the Charleston area. If you go into Charleston on Hwy 7 from Myrtle Beach, you will come into Mt. Plesant. There is a train store there called "Randy's." There is another train store called "Just Trains" in North Charleston. Get on Hwy 52 (Rivers Avenue) and you will find Just Trains right in front of Tri County Tech. College. There is a chain store named "Hobby Shop" which is in West Ashley in Charleston. None of the three carries much S gague at all. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25477	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Brass For sale

Hi Folks As these are the last items my friend is selling he decided to lower the prices on two of the items. At 04:54 PM 4/19/2003 -0400, John A Foley wrote: >Hi Folks > I have another of my friends brass pieces for sale. > >It is a River Raisin Milwaukee Road horizontal ribbed 50'-7" boxcar. >with double Superior doors. Factory Painted & couplers applied >New. > $250 shipping included . If interested I can send photo. $210.00 > >Also still have the > >RR NYC H-10 2-8-2 $1,200 > >Overland NYC Hudson. $1,000 $900.00 shipping included > >John Foley > > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25478	From: jaytewilli	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Question for Gilbert HO Collectors

Hello to All, My name is Daryl Olszeski and I just joined "the list". I've collected Flyer "S" since 1982 and Gilbert HO for about the past 11 years. I have a question for the Gilbert HO collectors out there. I recently picked up the Gilbert HO (Varney produced)Southern Pacific Diesel. In the past, all the other Gilbert Diesels that Varney produced had a black painted die-cast frame. This SP I picked up has a brass frame. What's your opinion? Variation or somewhere along the line someone did a switcheroo?? All opinions welcomed...........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25479	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: Question for Gilbert HO Collectors

Its really hard to tell....but things do get switched....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "jaytewilli" <jaytewilli@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Question for Gilbert HO Collectors > Hello to All, > > My name is Daryl Olszeski and I just joined "the list". I've > collected Flyer "S" since 1982 and Gilbert HO for about the past 11 > years. I have a question for the Gilbert HO collectors out there. I > recently picked up the Gilbert HO (Varney produced)Southern Pacific > Diesel. In the past, all the other Gilbert Diesels that Varney > produced had a black painted die-cast frame. This SP I picked up has > a brass frame. What's your opinion? Variation or somewhere along the > line someone did a switcheroo?? All opinions welcomed........... > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25480	From: afjeff_56	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Scratchbuilding

Hello Guys, I have a question for the those who do some model makeing with balsawood , cardboard and such. I am wondering what glue is a good one to use. I have been using Elmers wood glue. Which is O.K. but I'm wondering what some of you guys might recommend? I would like something a little more tacky that also dries clear... Any help will be appreciated!!! Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25481	From: David Engle	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding

Look for similar glues called "aliphatic resin" glues. Elmer's Glue will succomb to water if exposed as such, I understand these will not--they are a little thicker, and have a slighly more yellow color. "Titebond" is a brand; they will smell like more-sour milk. -----Original Message----- From: afjeff_56 [mailto:afjeff_56@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Scratchbuilding Hello Guys, I have a question for the those who do some model makeing with balsawood , cardboard and such. I am wondering what glue is a good one to use. I have been using Elmers wood glue. Which is O.K. but I'm wondering what some of you guys might recommend? I would like something a little more tacky that also dries clear... Any help will be appreciated!!! Jeff S...... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25482	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: railroad memorabilia

Hi, Just a note to say my Dad(who gave me my first American Flyer 312AC passenger set back around 1949-50) has put some railroad paperwork from the 1880's and 1890's on ebay #2525484360. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25483	From: waldootten	Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Re: Scratchbuilding & glue

>"David Engle" wrote: > Look for similar glues called "aliphatic resin" glues. Elmer's Glue will > succomb to water if exposed as such, I understand these will not-- they are a > little thicker, and have a slighly more yellow color. "Titebond" is a > brand; they will smell like more-sour milk. Jeff -- As a two-hobby guy (trains & woodworking), I can say no wood glue available will be really "tacky." Elmer's white, as David pointed out, is water-soluble until it dries, but lacks true strength on thinnish wood joints. He mentioned "Titebond," which is a good product. It is yellow, thicker and dries clear. If you need more initial gripping power, use a Titebond glue and try applying glue to both sides of a joint and gently rubbing the two pieces together as you slide them into position. This friction tends to activate the glue a bit and also creates a little suction, i.e. "tacky." But Titebond now sells a new product called "Titebond II" which is thicker, water-resistant and yellow -- but dries clear -- and the advantage is that it has an "open" time of about 20-25 minutes depending on the ambient temperature of your shop. "Open time" means it sets up more slowly than regular Titebond (5-8 minutes) so you can re-adjust glued-up pieces as you go along if you have to, within the 20-25 minute time frame. You can also sand it when dry and either use paint or stain. Just a guess from my experience, but I'd say Titebond II is about 5x as strong as Elmer's. Titebond II is available through woodworkers' stores like Rockler or Woodcraft (I don't know about the Big Boxes). They both sell it on-line as well. More expensive than Elmer's, but more than worth it. Has a pretty long shelf-life, too, as long as it is tightly closed. Happy scratchbuilding, Phil K ******************************************************************** ******************************************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: afjeff_56 [mailto:afjeff_56@y...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:33 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Scratchbuilding > > > Hello Guys, > I have a question for the those who do some model makeing with > balsawood , cardboard and such. I am wondering what glue is a good > one to use. I have been using Elmers wood glue. Which is O.K. but I'm > wondering what some of you guys might recommend? I would like > something a little more tacky that also dries clear... > Any help will be appreciated!!! > Jeff S...... > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25484	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Homosote

Hi all: Any other suggestions on types of glue to use to attach homosote roadbed (and then the track to the homosote if I don't use nails/spikes) to painted (water-based paint) plywood subroadbed? I checked some of the past e-mails that I saved (that is why my e-mail stuff takes up more than 100MB!!) and found that: Gerry Evans used MMM spray glue; Richard Snook used white glue but will try stud adhesive with something similar to homosote; and Dick Karnes used yellow furniture glue). I am only trying to get as much info as possible so that I can have some luck in translating US (or "Down Under") glues to European types. Thanks for info. Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25485	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: looking up existing Steam engines

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/lists/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25486	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: Homosote

I use Liquid Nails brand "foam board glue" which has the advantage of having no oder, is water washable(for cleaning hands) and is relatively inexpensive. Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25487	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: e-bay...they same?

Just happened to notice this...read the descriptions...both from Mo. American Flyer S Guage N. Pacific Set W/B Item # 3128332851 ..........SOLD WITH BIN AMERICAN FLYER NORTHERN PACIFIC SET #20370 Item # 3128659765 ..........NEW ITEM ARE THEY THE SAME? Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25488	From: rfgiardina	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: e-bay...they same?

You're right Bob, they do look the same, the description is the same and both from Mo. Good eye! If it's not a fast turn around, it's very odd. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > Just happened to notice this...read the descriptions...both from Mo. > > American Flyer S Guage N. Pacific Set W/B > Item # 3128332851 ..........SOLD WITH BIN > > AMERICAN FLYER NORTHERN PACIFIC SET #20370 > Item # 3128659765 ..........NEW ITEM > > ARE THEY THE SAME? Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25489	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: e-bay...they the same?

I am curious to see just how high it goes!! Betting 1391.81....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "rfgiardina" <rfgco@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: e-bay...they same? > You're right Bob, they do look the same, the description is the same > and both from Mo. Good eye! If it's not a fast turn around, it's very > odd. > > Bob > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> > wrote: > > Just happened to notice this...read the descriptions...both from Mo. > > > > American Flyer S Guage N. Pacific Set W/B > > Item # 3128332851 ..........SOLD WITH BIN > > > > AMERICAN FLYER NORTHERN PACIFIC SET #20370 > > Item # 3128659765 ..........NEW ITEM > > > > ARE THEY THE SAME? Bob Conner > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25490	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: Glue

I've been assembling craftsman kits and scratchbuilding for many years, and tried many adhesives. I've found that for wood and cardboard, Duco Cement is my favorite. Ambroid is a close second but does not dry clear. Elmer's and other water base glues tend to swell the wood grain and cause other problems. None of these are "tacky", but you learn to work with them as they are. Bill Frazier In a message dated 4/24/03 8:40:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:32:30 -0000 > From: "afjeff_56" <afjeff_56@...> > Subject: Scratchbuilding > > Hello Guys, > I have a question for the those who do some model makeing with > balsawood , cardboard and such. I am wondering what glue is a good > one to use. I have been using Elmers wood glue. Which is O.K. but I'm > wondering what some of you guys might recommend? I would like > something a little more tacky that also dries clear... > Any help will be appreciated!!! > Jeff S...... > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25491	From: David	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: e-bay...they same?

Unfortunately yes.... It would have been nice if a collector that really needed and would appreciate the set got it, but thats not the case..... exposes a real problem with the train collecting market these days..... its all about the money to far too many. One of the main reasons I stopped collecting trains long ago. :( --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > Just happened to notice this...read the descriptions...both from Mo. > > American Flyer S Guage N. Pacific Set W/B > Item # 3128332851 ..........SOLD WITH BIN > > AMERICAN FLYER NORTHERN PACIFIC SET #20370 > Item # 3128659765 ..........NEW ITEM > > ARE THEY THE SAME? Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25492	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: e-bay...they same?

David...I had just missed it by a few minutes....I would have put it on my shelf to display..I have been trying to rebuild my collection I had years ago.....I did find a nice 360-64 set with most of the boxes last week....It will go on display.....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <Dave0616@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: e-bay...they same? > Unfortunately yes.... > > It would have been nice if a collector that really needed and would > appreciate the set got it, but thats not the case..... exposes a real > problem with the train collecting market these days..... its all > about the money to far too many. One of the main reasons I stopped > collecting trains long ago. :( > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> > wrote: > > Just happened to notice this...read the descriptions...both from Mo. > > > > American Flyer S Guage N. Pacific Set W/B > > Item # 3128332851 ..........SOLD WITH BIN > > > > AMERICAN FLYER NORTHERN PACIFIC SET #20370 > > Item # 3128659765 ..........NEW ITEM > > > > ARE THEY THE SAME? Bob Conner > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25493	From: mdg312003	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Thank You Scott - This Has to END -

I really hope that moderator of this forum will PLEASE end this nonsense and annoyance sent from other group members, its really getting silly. mdg312003@... ------Scott Holm <imsscott@...> wrote: > The people at Gilbert HO are doing a great thing. They are trying to > bring back what it was. Is that a bad thing??? I don't think anybody said that. > As for whom owns the company, why should anyone care. It's extremely important and I don't understand why you wouldn't already know the answer to that. You don't know why someone would not want to deal with an anonymous person who supplies only a P.O. box? And if you had prior bad dealings with a certain parts seller, would you not want to make sure that this seller is not one and the same? > When we go to buy a new car, do we ask for dealerships owners name. They usually have the owner's name included in the name of the dealership. And if not, and I suspected at all that this was a dealer who has formerly screwed me, yes, I would ask, > Do we find it bizzare that every store doesn't have the owners name on the sign. Nobody said anything about finding stores bizarre because they don't have the name on the sign. A store is quite different from an anonymous e-mail address and a post office box number. Dealing face to face is whole lot safer than via e-mail and PO boxes. > I have bought lots of stuff from Gilbert HO and it is all great stuff. > And now we all know the owners name. I still don't care who her > relatives are or are not. You sound like you are personally involved yourself. > Mike DeGanno Is this your real name? I couldn't find a single person in the United States with this last name. That's odd. ------------------------------------------------------------ Scott Holm <imsscott@...> wrote: > The people at Gilbert HO are doing a great thing. They are trying to > bring back what it was. Is that a bad thing??? I don't think anybody said that. I made a statement thats all. Was not implying that anyone said that. > As for whom owns the company, why should anyone care. It's extremely important and I don't understand why you wouldn't already know the answer to that. You don't know why someone would not want to deal with an anonymous person who supplies only a P.O. box? And if you had prior bad dealings with a certain parts seller, would you not want to make sure that this seller is not one and the same? Well than I guess the owners of Lionel still have the last name of Lionel, American Flyer is still owned by AC Gilbert Co. I just looked at Atlas, Tyco trains, Model Power, Lionel, Bachman, and a host of other web sites, I could not find the owners name anywhere, also could not find there home address. I deal with company's everyday in my biusness, I don't ask whom owns them. So long as I get what I need and the product is what they say it is. It sounds to me you are a paranoid person. > When we go to buy a new car, do we ask for dealerships owners name. They usually have the owner's name included in the name of the dealership. And if not, and I suspected at all that this was a dealer who has formerly screwed me, yes, I would ask, Thats a funny statement I am looking out my office window at the dealership across the street, The sign says West Hills Auto Mall, The owners name must be West Hills, not that its in the town of West Hills. It sounds like you walk around paranoid suspecting a lot of things. You should really see a doctor for this condition. And come on please tell me how many time if any have you been "screwed" by a PARTS DEALER, I have come to believe that all you guys make this shit up, I have been buying parts for a long long long time, I have never been "screwed", MMaybe a delayed shipping or something but never "screwed" I have been screwed by my X-wife, but certainly not a toy train parts supplier. Give it up > Do we find it bizzare that every store doesn't have the owners name on the sign. Nobody said anything about finding stores bizarre because they don't have the name on the sign. A store is quite different from an anonymous e-mail address and a post office box number. Dealing face to face is whole lot safer than via e-mail and PO boxes. How do you find it anonymous? We are talking about toy trains not gold bullion. I did not say anyone said anything about stores, I made an analogy. I guess the cashier is the owner. You must have a problem with PO boxes. Most companies use them, thats why they are there. I don't think its to hide anything. > I have bought lots of stuff from Gilbert HO and it is all great stuff. > And now we all know the owners name. I still don't care who her > relatives are or are not. You sound like you are personally involved yourself. I wish I was, but I am not. I am just a collector of trains, and I am not afraid to voice my opinion and defend a company that I have purchased from. Refferals are a big part of a companies success as a biusness owner myself. > Mike DeGanno Is this your real name? I couldn't find a single person in the United States with this last name. That's odd. No I use a fake name. My real name is Bill Clinton You are a real moron. Not everybody is listed in the Phone book. Or is that a criteria of being on s-trains group. I must be anonymous. I am a secret agent for Saddam Husien. Bill Clinton (aka Mike DeGanno) ------------------------------------------------------ Scott Holm <imsscott@...> wrote: To: "mike D" <mdg312003@... > --- mdg312003 wrote: > > As for whom owns the company, why should anyone care. > > Well than I guess the owners of Lionel still have the last name of > Lionel, American Flyer is still owned by AC Gilbert Co. I just looked > at Atlas, Tyco trains, Model Power, Lionel, Bachman, and a host of > other web sites, I could not find the owners name anywhere, also > could not find there home address. I deal with company's everyday in > my biusness, I don't ask whom owns them. Why would you need to ask them? These are established companies with published addresses. You are comparing apples and oranges. Your point is not well taken. This issue was about an anonymous internet company with no established address. > So long as I get what I need and the product is what they say it is. There's the rub. How does one seek redress from an anonymous dealer? > It sounds to me you are a paranoid person. All we are talking about here is wanting to know more about an anonymous company, who seems to be going out of their way to be so. > Thats a funny statement What? That car dealers have their names in the name of the dealership? You have never seen that? Why is that funny? > I am looking out my office window at the dealership across the > street, The sign says West Hills Auto Mall, The owners name must be > West Hills, not that its in the town of West Hills. I guess you aren't smart enough to know the difference between ALL and a lot. Finding a car dealer that doesn't have a name in it must have been a real triumph for you. > It sounds like you walk around paranoid suspecting a lot of > things. What did I say that I suspect? Tell me, when someone asks for your name do you ask them if they are paranoid? You should really see a doctor for this condition. I think it's quite clear here who needs to see a doctor. > And come on please tell me how many time if any have you been "screwed" by a PARTS DEALER, I was talking about a car dealer, but come to think of it, I did have a bad dealing with a parts dealer: R.F. Giardina > I have come to believe that all you guys make this shit up, I guess there are others who have been less than satisfied. > Give it up Give what up? Give up the fact that I have had bad experiences with car dealers and with a parts dealer? > We are talking about toy trains not gold bullion. Parts orders can frequently run in the hundreds of dollars. I like to know who I should sue, or complain to law enforcement about. > I did not say anyone said anything about stores, I made > an analogy. And your analogy stinks. > I guess the cashier is the owner. Who said that? Again, this is your analogy that doesn't work. > You must have a problem with PO boxes. I sure do. I will never send a check or money order to a P.O. Box. And those include even ones where I have a name. Anybody who sends to an anonymous person at a P.O. box is an idiot. > Most companies use them, thats why they are there. I don't think its to hide anything. If it isn't to hide, then what is it for? > I am just a collector of trains, and I am not afraid to > voice my opinion and defend a company that I have purchased from. You weren't defending the company, you were defending the anonymous part. Way too vehemently, I might add. > No I use a fake name. My real name is Bill Clinton You are a real > moron. And you're an asshole. > Not everybody is listed in the Phone book. I was not looking at the phone book. The name is not listed in public records anywhere in the United States. You don't exist. I'm wise to you and pushpinss, Bob.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25494	From: Ruth Leahy	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Las Vegas Trip

I will be traveling to Las Vegas in a couple of weeks. Are there any train shops there that might carry American Flyer stuff? Any help would be appreciated. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25495	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Kaslo Shops Distributing

>Hi Folks NYC fans John of Kaslo Shops Distributing said he would do the New York Central 19000 series caboose if he can get 40 commitments. So far there is an interest for 5-6 cabooses from two people. Click on the links below to see the caboose I'm speaking about. John Foley > > > Photos > http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page174.htm > > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg > > > > Drawing > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg > > > John Foley > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25496	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re NYC Caboose

>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:30:37 -0400 >To: jwhitmore@... >From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> >Subject: Re: > >Hi Folks > > Somehow I sent you a couple of the wrong photos. >Below is the correct photo & drawing >John > > > > > >At 11:29 AM 4/22/2003 -0700, you wrote: >>OK looks like S Scale. Off the top of my head this will require a >>commitment of 40 units. >> >>John Whitmore >>Kaslo Shops Distributing >>www.kasloshops.com >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> >>Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:07 am >> >> > Hi John >> > If you can do the following NYC caboose how many orders would >> > you need to produce it? >> > >> > >> > >> > Photos >> > >> > >> > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg >> > >> > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc19008agd.jpg >> > >> > Drawing >> >http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-c5.gif >> > John Foley >> > >> > >> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25497	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: Kaslo Shops Distributing

CABOOSE. At 03:58 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, robert allen conner wrote: >$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for what? Cabooses, Decals, Pictures? Bob Conner >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John A Foley" <john.foley16@...> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 2:24 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Kaslo Shops Distributing > > > > > > >Hi Folks > > > > > > NYC fans John of Kaslo Shops Distributing > > said he would do the New York Central 19000 series > > caboose if he can get 40 commitments. So far there > > is an interest for 5-6 cabooses from two people. > > > > Click on the links below to see the caboose I'm > > speaking about. > > > > John Foley > > > > > > > > > > > Photos > > > http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page174.htm > > > > > > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > Drawing > > > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg > > > > > > > > > John Foley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25498	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: Kaslo Shops Distributing

$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for what? Cabooses, Decals, Pictures? Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "John A Foley" <john.foley16@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Kaslo Shops Distributing > > >Hi Folks > > > NYC fans John of Kaslo Shops Distributing > said he would do the New York Central 19000 series > caboose if he can get 40 commitments. So far there > is an interest for 5-6 cabooses from two people. > > Click on the links below to see the caboose I'm > speaking about. > > John Foley > > > > > > > Photos > > http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page174.htm > > > > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg > > > > > > > > Drawing > > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg > > > > > > John Foley > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25499	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: Kaslo Shops Distributing

Good....Now for PRICE???????? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: John A Foley To: robert allen conner ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; s-scale@yahoogroups.com ; John A Foley Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Kaslo Shops Distributing CABOOSE. At 03:58 PM 4/24/2003 -0400, robert allen conner wrote: $$$$$$$$$$$$$ for what? Cabooses, Decals, Pictures? Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "John A Foley" <john.foley16@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Kaslo Shops Distributing > > >Hi Folks > > > NYC fans John of Kaslo Shops Distributing > said he would do the New York Central 19000 series > caboose if he can get 40 commitments. So far there > is an interest for 5-6 cabooses from two people. > > Click on the links below to see the caboose I'm > speaking about. > > John Foley > > > > > > > Photos > > http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page174.htm > > > > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg > > > > > > > > Drawing > > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg > > > > > > John Foley > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25500	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: Re:

>Hi Folks Below is Kaslo's estimate for the NYC 19000 series caboose kit. If interested let John at Kaslo know. Let me know also, I will keep a count. I am ordering 3. John >John - after looking at this kit, I think it's safe to say that it would run >at about $65-70 USD per kit. This of course would include window glazing >and etched detail parts. > >John Whitmore >Kaslo Shops Distributing >www.kasloshops.com >Fax: 413-383-6720 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John A Foley" <john.foley16@...> >To: <jwhitmore@...> >Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:45 AM >Subject: Re: > > > > > > > > John > > > > Do you have a rough idea how much each kit may run? > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:29 AM 4/22/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > >OK looks like S Scale. Off the top of my head this will require a > > >commitment of 40 units. > > > > > >John Whitmore > > >Kaslo Shops Distributing > > >www.kasloshops.com > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> > > >Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:07 am > > > > > > > Hi John > > > > If you can do the following NYC caboose how many orders would > > > > you need to produce it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos > > > > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drawing > > > > http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-c5.gif > > > > > > > > > > > > John Foley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25501	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: (Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list

(Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list Hello All, I have sold about 3/4 my inventory. Thanks to those of you who bought cars from me. Here is the complete list of what I still have for sale. All items are new and unused. If you want to buy something from me please copy and paste all the info for each line item into your email to me. I only accept money orders and PayPal. Shipping will be added to your total. Thanks, Jon Marinello email: jonmarinello@... --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- EMD F-7 A & B Units (20% off retail) $543.96 + shipping #00900 AT&SF EMD F7 (Passenger) ABA 53'6" General Steel Casting Co. Flat Cars and Trailers (30% off retail) $41.97 + shipping #00181 TOFC Penn #1 w/PRR Trailer #00310-6 TOFC WM with WM Trailer #00308-3 TOFC D&RGW with D&RGW Trailer #00193 TOFC Trailer Train #1 w/REAX ALM Trailer #00191 TOFC New York Central #1 w/NYC Trailer #00306-9 TOFC PRR #3 with PRR #2 Trailer #00180 TOFC Rock Island w/RI Trailer 48' General Steel Casting Co. Bulkhead Flat Cars (30% off retail) $34.97 + shipping #00157 Bulkhead Flatcar BN PC BM Load #00156 Bulkhead Flatcar BN USG BM Load #00159 Bulkhead Flatcar CB&Q PC BM Load Extended Vision Cabooses $69.95 retail (30% off retail) $48.97 + shipping #00234 Caboose Illinois Central Gulf #1 #00232 Caboose Great Northern #1 #00218 Caboose Burlington Northern #1 40' USRA Single Sheathed Wooden Box Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00146 SS USRA Xm Pacific Electric 2712 40' Wooden Stock Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00064 SC New York Central 22591 #00060 SC Santa Fe 23001 40' Wooden Billboard Reefer Cars 15% off retail) $36.51 + shipping #00517 Reefer Ballentine Beer #2 #00566 Reefer PFE-orange #1 Composite Hoppers 3 Car Sets (20% off retail) $79.96 + shipping #00762 Comp Hb AT&SF 3 car set #1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25503	From: cwhowell2	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: GP-7 Restoration

For Christmas 1953, I received a complete American Flyer GM GP-7 set. The only thing that has survived is the engine which is in restorable condition. The loco is #370 and is missing the left fuel tank and one number board. I have surfed the web and found several sources of replacement parts but cannot find information about what else was included in the original set. I'm sure there were freight cars, track & a power pack. Can anyone point me to an information source for the entire contents of the set. I would like to restore it to working condition. Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25504	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: NASG Members

Hi Folks To you NASG members, I got my ballot today and Voted. Please do vote. John Foley VP NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25505	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: S-Train Manufacturers

Hello, I along with everyone else am aware that the big three producers of S gauge are manufactured in China. I wonder if anyone can tell me the names of the cities in China where they are assembled. Thank you. Oh Boy! Trains!....................Herky 1950 Obie Bell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25506	From: David	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: Re: GP-7 Restoration

Here are all the sets your loco came in from my info database. year type set_no loco_no car1 car2 car3 car4 1950 S 5012T 370 GP-7 715 AUTO FLAT 633 B&O BOX 630 RDG CABOOSE 1951 S 5112T 370 GP-7 633 B&O BOX 715 AUTO FLAT 630 RDG CABOOSE 1952 S 5112T 370 GP-7 633 B&O BOX 715 AUTO FLAT 630 RDG CABOOSE 1953 S 5317T 370 GP-7 609 AF FLAT 606 CRANE 607 WK CABOOSE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25507	From: rettram	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: OV Digital edition 2003-033

Hello everybody I have make a update of my site, with Two citybusses, the first one after a fire in the citybus. And after a crash in the garage, against a brickwall. And a tram without electric power. Sorry for my bad english. Have a nice time. http://www.ov-digitaal.tk Greetings Marvin Look also at http://www.rotterdamsetram.tk

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25508	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: Fwd: NYC 19000 Series Caboose

>Hi Folks >. > >Kaslo Shops is willing to do a kit for the 19000 series >NYC caboose. Photo http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg >He needs about 40 committments, we have 8 so far. >The kit will include window glazing and etched detail parts. >It will not include decals, trucks or couplers and will need to >be painted. The kit will cost about $65-70 USD. >Kaslo Shops has done a PS-1 boxcar kit, Photos of kit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/Kaslo%20PS-1/ >which is very well done and is planning a PRR N5C caboose. http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=n5c.gif&sel=cbn&sz=sm&fr=ge >If interested let John at Kaslo know by email jwhitmore@... >CC: John Foley at john.foley16@... >You can also fax John at 413-383-6720 >Please visit his website at www.kasloshops.com > >John Foley > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25509	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: One reason you don't see me around much now!

Hi all, The following is a copy of the message I just got back from my ISP, and my message to them. Now if I could just get this info to Yahoo! Meantime, can anyone tell me how the Yahoo email account works for them (Ii.e. easy to use, a pain, etc.)? Thanks! BTW: I still get all the spam that Yahoo sells to others (dear S-trains owner, increase your manhood, etc. etc.), so I don't see how my ISP cutting Yahoo group messages off is saving me from ANY spam! Now if we just had some eggs to go with the spam. . . . S' David D. "Hi David, I suggest you get a free yahoo email account as the yahoo groups continue to find new and interesting ways to bog down our email servers. As a consequence of this, their email is being rejected. I hope this helps you. I am sorry this is such a problem. Eula " At 10:43 PM 4/24/03 -0700, you wrote: Subject: the ISP (youse guys!) is hard bouncing messages from Yahoo. HI all, Well, Yahoo Groups keeps de-activating my membership because the group messages are being "hard bounced" back to them. I do not receive them! HELP!!! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25510	From: Tim Brown	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: One reason you don't see me around much now!

Yahoo does the very same thing to me. I just had to re-activate my account with them a couple days ago. I think it's part of a conspiracy. If you don't see this email, then you'll know I am right. If you do see this email, it's prob'ly 'cuz they read it first, then decided to pass it on to cover up the conspiracy. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: s-trains ; S-Scale Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 2:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] One reason you don't see me around much now! Hi all, The following is a copy of the message I just got back from my ISP, and my message to them. Now if I could just get this info to Yahoo! Meantime, can anyone tell me how the Yahoo email account works for them (Ii.e. easy to use, a pain, etc.)? Thanks! BTW: I still get all the spam that Yahoo sells to others (dear S-trains owner, increase your manhood, etc. etc.), so I don't see how my ISP cutting Yahoo group messages off is saving me from ANY spam! Now if we just had some eggs to go with the spam. . . . S' David D. "Hi David, I suggest you get a free yahoo email account as the yahoo groups continue to find new and interesting ways to bog down our email servers. As a consequence of this, their email is being rejected. I hope this helps you. I am sorry this is such a problem. Eula " At 10:43 PM 4/24/03 -0700, you wrote: Subject: the ISP (youse guys!) is hard bouncing messages from Yahoo. HI all, Well, Yahoo Groups keeps de-activating my membership because the group messages are being "hard bounced" back to them. I do not receive them! HELP!!! David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25511	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Yahoo Spam..

Most all. (99.9%) of Spam that comes with a Yahoo return address has a counterfeit or spoofed address. This is true with AOL, MSN and Hotmail too. Most of it has a random or stolen user name ahead of the @. It is not in Yahoo, AOL, Earthlink's, etc. best interest to allow Spam to emanate from their servers and they go after many of the perpetrators but it is a daunting task. If your ISP has blocked Yahoo he is not doing Anybody a favor, and I would look for another. ISPs can get a filter for their mail servers that uses a Database of Spammers and intelligent filtering and still lets you get Yahoo and Yahoo Groups. As far as Yahoo groups forwarding Spam I don't see the problem and I manage the mail server for the company I work for.. Every once and a while we will see a spoofed message get through on this group but it is not very often. Unfortunately Spam is a problem that has gotten out of control and has no 100% solution unless you don't use internet E-mail at all. The Yahoo Groups are the smallest part of the problem. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25512	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: David's problem

David's problem is not due to SPAM. It is due to his ISP bouncing Yahoo groups messages. When Yahoo Groups gets these bounces they deactivate your email address in your Yahoo Groups account so they won't send any more group messages to that address. The problem lies with the ISP, not Yahoo Groups. ISP's have problems with Yahoo Group mail because there are a lot of groups dedicated to exchanging pictures and/or movies and the attachments can be very big and take a lot of space at the ISP mail server. It's too bad they don't have a little sophisticated programming to penalize those users taking all the space, instead of all Yahoo Group members. S-trains doesn't even allow attachments! And in spite of all the off-topic posts, the volume isn't going to hurt them. Not to absolve Yahoo Groups of all sins, they did in fact choose to sign all members up for SPAM mailings without asking, but that's a whole different story. You do need to go in and uncheck all the offer boxes that Yahoo Groups signed you up for. Even that only stops them from continuing to give your email address to new spammers; the ones they gave it to before still have it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25513	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Rail cleaning fluid question

Saw a gallon can of #1 white ultra refined low carbon/no smoke/no residue pure kerosene at the home improvement store for a pricey $6.99 for the gallon tin. Would this work as a rail cleaning fluid? At the very least it would seem to be a good solvent/cleaner for motor work. Is this a OK rail cleaner? Thanks, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25514	From: David	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: One reason you don't see me around much now!

I would recomend a free MSN account. They do fairly well at filtering the SPAM for my wifes account. I'm on Comcast and get SPAM once in a blue moon and Groups is OK for me using them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25515	From: lou342ac	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Pilgrimage to York

Spent Friday at the 'TCA' meet in York PA. Prices for 'ACG' built Flyer continues to go upward despite the down turn in the economy. Info from the vendors. K-Line will have an S-Gauge version of their 'Big Boy' in their next catalog, MSRP will be $600.00 with a $50.00 deposit. Lionel's new 'American Flyer' steamer will be a 'Berkshire', they may had one on display, I didn't spend much time at their booth's as they were crowded with the 'O-Gauge' folks. Gargraves has canned the 'S-72' switches, they claim they don't have the marketing to offset development costs. Putt Trains had his 'Rex Mogul' on display and the '0-4-0 switcher' running on his display track. As for me, I finally got a nice set of repainted 'ACG' Heavyweights. The repaint job along with the lettering/numbers was nicely done by a gentlemen from Long Island, NY. Being an operator more than a collector I was quite pleased to get these as they are hard to come by in good condition and also fit my budget. As always, I spent time at Bill Parr's S-Gauge Shrine in the 'Yellow Hall' and came away with a new 'American Models' 'Rock Island' 'RS-3'. I stayed with-in Budget (my wife was with me to remove the temptation of going over) and had a terrific day off from work. I Hope all of you that made the trip to 'York' also had a great time and came home with the 'S-Gauge' items you were looking for. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25516	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York

WHO HAS THE BEST PRICE ON THE "S" BIG BOY....I want one.......Maybe A Berkshire toooooo.....................It MTH dead in the water on "S"......Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "lou342ac" <lou342ac@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Pilgrimage to York > Spent Friday at the 'TCA' meet in York PA. Prices for 'ACG' built > Flyer continues to go upward despite the down turn in the economy. > > Info from the vendors. K-Line will have an S-Gauge version of > their 'Big Boy' in their next catalog, MSRP will be $600.00 with a > $50.00 deposit. Lionel's new 'American Flyer' steamer will be > a 'Berkshire', they may had one on display, I didn't spend much time > at their booth's as they were crowded with the 'O-Gauge' folks. > Gargraves has canned the 'S-72' switches, they claim they don't have > the marketing to offset development costs. Putt Trains had his 'Rex > Mogul' on display and the '0-4-0 switcher' running on his display > track. > > As for me, I finally got a nice set of repainted 'ACG' Heavyweights. > The repaint job along with the lettering/numbers was nicely done by a > gentlemen from Long Island, NY. Being an operator more than a > collector I was quite pleased to get these as they are hard to come > by in good condition and also fit my budget. As always, I spent time > at Bill Parr's S-Gauge Shrine in the 'Yellow Hall' and came away with > a new 'American Models' 'Rock Island' 'RS-3'. > > I stayed with-in Budget (my wife was with me to remove the temptation > of going over) and had a terrific day off from work. I Hope > all of you that made the trip to 'York' also had a great > time and came home with the 'S-Gauge' items you were looking for. > > Lou Baldi > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25517	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: David's problem

Scott's got it on the nose, it is what I've been trying to tell my ISP, except my ISP is just a subcontractor from a big company in Sacramento, CA. The local guy (actually gals) think they know it all, but have learned to listen to me once in a while, as I have been the voice complaining when the service is not working (before I had my job, I had lots of time to be on the net, apparently more than their other customers). Scott's message is very clear, much better than my, "It ain't working Eula!" so I will forward it to here. And her suggestions to me is making me look to find another IPS as I have never found reading the email from the Web to be as convenient as through the email account. I do have a Yahoo email account, as I use it at work; but for reading the group messages, I'll have to start a different one--the city won't understand me receiving all these group messages! Thanks everyone for all your advice! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25518	From: hgetrain	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York

I got the same infomation, probably from the same third party vendor. I got an indirect confirmation on the Big Boy from a K-Line representative, but got a different story from a Lionel rep. I pressed him hard for info and was told the new loco would be either a Consolidation or a Hudson, but definitely not a Berkshire [I was hoping for a Berk]. Since they have previously said that the new loco will be one that has never been made in S, my guess is they are producing a Consolidation. The details will be in their next catalog. Needless to say, the new S Gauge steam loco was not on display at the Lionel booth. K-Line's new S Gauge freight cars are sold out. They say they could have easily sold 2-3 times the number made. The trucks on these cars are excellent and very similar to the SHS trucks. The couplers appear to be Zamac and again similar in design to those made for SHS. Not a real surprise since they are made by the same manufacturer in China. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lou342ac" <lou342ac@c...> wrote: > > ......Info from the vendors. K-Line will have an S-Gauge version of > their 'Big Boy' in their next catalog, MSRP will be $600.00 with a > $50.00 deposit. Lionel's new 'American Flyer' steamer will be > a 'Berkshire'...............

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25519	From: keith kuzma	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: LOOKING FOR MICHAEL KANE

Anyone know a train and toy show vendor, based in south Jersy,naned Mike Kane? He used to sell on ebay as downbeachmarine(no longer registered).A good email,snail mail or phone number would be appreciated.Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25520	From: Tim	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York

Hi, I spent Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday at the pick-up shows in York this spring, then Friday at the main show. Since I'm now into rehabbing junk, I looked for and bought lots of junk this year. I now have lots of projects to keep me busy all summer! I bought a box load of 1/2 dozen junker talking Mystic Stations to repair and rehab, about 1/2 dozen old Comet junkers and three junker Santa Fe B units to make ABA sets with. All this and a junker 770 Loader a junker Guilford Station and about 1/2 doz junker New Haven coaches. I figure one of the shells will make a nice Branford Diner. I picked up two junker Royal Blues and about 1/2 doz junker metal flat cars. I intend to make a nice Circus train out of this stuff. Hope others on this list had a nice time at York at well. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "lou342ac" <lou342ac@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Pilgrimage to York > Spent Friday at the 'TCA' meet in York PA. Prices for 'ACG' built > Flyer continues to go upward despite the down turn in the economy. > > Info from the vendors. K-Line will have an S-Gauge version of > their 'Big Boy' in their next catalog, MSRP will be $600.00 with a > $50.00 deposit. Lionel's new 'American Flyer' steamer will be > a 'Berkshire', they may had one on display, I didn't spend much time > at their booth's as they were crowded with the 'O-Gauge' folks. > Gargraves has canned the 'S-72' switches, they claim they don't have > the marketing to offset development costs. Putt Trains had his 'Rex > Mogul' on display and the '0-4-0 switcher' running on his display > track. > > As for me, I finally got a nice set of repainted 'ACG' Heavyweights. > The repaint job along with the lettering/numbers was nicely done by a > gentlemen from Long Island, NY. Being an operator more than a > collector I was quite pleased to get these as they are hard to come > by in good condition and also fit my budget. As always, I spent time > at Bill Parr's S-Gauge Shrine in the 'Yellow Hall' and came away with > a new 'American Models' 'Rock Island' 'RS-3'. > > I stayed with-in Budget (my wife was with me to remove the temptation > of going over) and had a terrific day off from work. I Hope > all of you that made the trip to 'York' also had a great > time and came home with the 'S-Gauge' items you were looking for. > > Lou Baldi > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25521	From: Tom Cullen	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1861

Well if the question hasn't been answered already - allow me give it a response. Personally having used multiple Yahoo and Hotmail accounts I do prefer Yahoo. I use it to help me with the spam that comes with being visible on the web. It is no ones fault, it just is. Both Yahoo and Hotmail have worked well and simply. What messages are in bulk are deleted, and I can quickly delete which emails I desire in the inbox. It may be coming, but I have not had an ISP stop mail, at least that I am aware. Do you have other options? Good Luck in your quest. Tom Cullen Subject: One reason you don't see me around much now! Hi all, The following is a copy of the message I just got back from my ISP, and my message to them. Now if I could just get this info to Yahoo! Meantime, can anyone tell me how the Yahoo email account works for them (Ii.e. easy to use, a pain, etc.)? Thanks! BTW: I still get all the spam that Yahoo sells to others (dear S-trains owner, increase your manhood, etc. etc.), so I don't see how my ISP cutting Yahoo group messages off is saving me from ANY spam! Now if we just had some eggs to go with the spam. . . . S' David D. "Hi David, I suggest you get a free yahoo email account as the yahoo groups continue to find new and interesting ways to bog down our email servers. As a consequence of this, their email is being rejected. I hope this helps you. I am sorry this is such a problem. Eula " At 10:43 PM 4/24/03 -0700, you wrote: Subject: the ISP (youse guys!) is hard bouncing messages from Yahoo. HI all, Well, Yahoo Groups keeps de-activating my membership because the group messages are being "hard bounced" back to them. I do not receive them! HELP!!! David D. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25522	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York

I'm not up on this York thing, but who was "Bill Parr's" and what is his "S-Gauge Shrine in the 'Yellow Hall'"? Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lou342ac" <lou342ac@c...> wrote: > Spent Friday at the 'TCA' meet in York PA. Prices for 'ACG' built > Flyer continues to go upward despite the down turn in the economy. > > Info from the vendors. K-Line will have an S-Gauge version of > their 'Big Boy' in their next catalog, MSRP will be $600.00 with a > $50.00 deposit. Lionel's new 'American Flyer' steamer will be > a 'Berkshire', they may had one on display, I didn't spend much time > at their booth's as they were crowded with the 'O-Gauge' folks. > Gargraves has canned the 'S-72' switches, they claim they don't have > the marketing to offset development costs. Putt Trains had his 'Rex > Mogul' on display and the '0-4-0 switcher' running on his display > track. > > As for me, I finally got a nice set of repainted 'ACG' Heavyweights. > The repaint job along with the lettering/numbers was nicely done by a > gentlemen from Long Island, NY. Being an operator more than a > collector I was quite pleased to get these as they are hard to come > by in good condition and also fit my budget. As always, I spent time > at Bill Parr's S-Gauge Shrine in the 'Yellow Hall' and came away with > a new 'American Models' 'Rock Island' 'RS-3'. > > I stayed with-in Budget (my wife was with me to remove the temptation > of going over) and had a terrific day off from work. I Hope > all of you that made the trip to 'York' also had a great > time and came home with the 'S-Gauge' items you were looking for. > > Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25523	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Yahoo spam

Scott said---**((( You do need to go in and uncheck all the offer boxes that Yahoo Groups signed you up for.)))*** After I went on cable modem a couple of months ago,...and changed my email address with Yahoo..and changed my "offer" boxes, as Scott said,....I have had NO spam!! Zip! None! Nada! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25524	From: lou342ac	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York

Carl, There are 9 buildings of model/toy trains at the York Pennsylvania Fairgrounds for the Eastern Divison of the TCA semi- annual train meet. The buildings have color names assigned to them. I was being tongue in cheek with Bill Parr's display. Bill has the largest amount of S-Gauge trains for sale at York. Bill is located in the yellow hall. He has a large amount of S-Helper, American Models, American Flyer (both new and used) and other manufacturers of s-gauge equipment for sale. Bill is also a large parts dealer for American Flyer. He runs a full page ad in S-Gaugian magazine. He's a good guy to deal with, no hassle with items that have to be swapped or returned. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rodgers_carl" <rodgers_carl@h...> wrote: > I'm not up on this York thing, but who was "Bill Parr's" and what is > his "S-Gauge Shrine in the 'Yellow Hall'"? > > > Carl > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lou342ac" <lou342ac@c...> wrote: > > Spent Friday at the 'TCA' meet in York PA. Prices for 'ACG' built > > Flyer continues to go upward despite the down turn in the economy. > > > > Info from the vendors. K-Line will have an S-Gauge version of > > their 'Big Boy' in their next catalog, MSRP will be $600.00 with a > > $50.00 deposit. Lionel's new 'American Flyer' steamer will be > > a 'Berkshire', they may had one on display, I didn't spend much > time > > at their booth's as they were crowded with the 'O-Gauge' folks. > > Gargraves has canned the 'S-72' switches, they claim they don't > have > > the marketing to offset development costs. Putt Trains had his 'Rex > > Mogul' on display and the '0-4-0 switcher' running on his display > > track. > > > > As for me, I finally got a nice set of repainted 'ACG' > Heavyweights. > > The repaint job along with the lettering/numbers was nicely done by > a > > gentlemen from Long Island, NY. Being an operator more than a > > collector I was quite pleased to get these as they are hard to come > > by in good condition and also fit my budget. As always, I spent > time > > at Bill Parr's S-Gauge Shrine in the 'Yellow Hall' and came away > with > > a new 'American Models' 'Rock Island' 'RS-3'. > > > > I stayed with-in Budget (my wife was with me to remove the > temptation > > of going over) and had a terrific day off from work. I Hope > > all of you that made the trip to 'York' also had a great > > time and came home with the 'S-Gauge' items you were looking for. > > > > Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25526	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] (unknown)

Hi Ken & Dick John from Kaslo Shops got back to me. Here is his massage. Kinda hard to switch horses at this point. If I get 40 orders we'll do the 20100 series as well. www.kasloshops.com This is great by me. I put in an order for 2 of the 20100 cabooses and I still am buying the 19000 series I reserved. Now we just need to hope John gets the orders needed. So folks if you when some let John know at jwhitmore@... with your name, address and email. Ken if you can please post that Photo of the 20100 NYC caboose on the S scale list. I plan on painting these two with the pacemaker scheme, as you pointed out. Here is a link to a photo of the 19000 series caboose. http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc17211adl.jpg John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25527	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York

i DIDN'T GET TO GO EITHER...STILL SPENT A THOUSAND...bOB...SORRY FOR BASS ACKWARDS CAPS...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <Dave0616@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pilgrimage to York > I didn't go to your this spring and saved thousands!! :) > > > > Always looking to buy Aurora Slot Cars and Accessories from the 60's > and 70's!!! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25528	From: David	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Pilgrimage to York

I didn't go to York this spring and saved thousands!! :) Always looking to buy Aurora Slot Cars and Accessories from the 60's and 70's!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25529	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: New Lionel Steamer

Re new Lionel Berkshire, is it painted for any particular road? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25530	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: Baby Bobber Caboose

I found the golden lode! What Steve didn't tell us is that there are also tipple ore cars, tiny gondolas, and a boxcar! And most importantly, the plastic wheels are s-gauge!! You could probably jury rig some way to hitch them to a docksider or ? for a tiny mine train. However, they don't roll well, so I'm going to see if I can slip in regular point axle AF-compatible wheelsets - just have to make sure there is enough clearance between the wheel and the car bottom. According to Scenery Unlimited, NWSL makes a 26" wheelset that might do if it's still available. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Blancard" <splitdorf@...> To: "S- Trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Baby Bobber Caboose > You guys may laugh at this. > > A couple days ago I was at a trains shop and picked up a cheap ($2.95) > toy "Bachmann Gnome" caboose. This is a cheap kids toy with a simple > plastic base and wheels. I thought it looked pretty close to "S". When > I got home I looked through my junk box and came up with enough parts to > make a baby bobber using AF running gear. > > It sure itsn't prototypical, but it looks good with my converted ON30 > Bachmann freight cars. I put a couple photos in my album on Paul > Yorke's S gallery here: > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album46 > > Whaddya think? > > Steve Blancard > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25531	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Liquid Nails

Hi all: Tx for the info. It looks as though liquid nails wins for glueing homabed to painted plywood subroadbed. A few more questions: 1) who makes liquid nails? 2) how long does one have to curve homabed on subroadbed before it doesnt\'t move? 3) have you used liquid nails to glue rail down on ties instead of spiking it (e.g., especially BK switches which have to be gauged)? 4) (rhetorical question: anybody who has put down BK switches visiting Norway in the next few days???) oops, have to pay your own way, but can stay here for a few days :-) Thanks in advance Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Note: Got up this morning to about 1-2" of snow!!! Poor flowers have disappeared!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25532	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers

Dear Don, I didn't think that this should be a sensitive question. When asking what cities they are produced in I am using the word "cities" in the generic sense. Since I must have a specific question to get an answer let me rephrase by asking what is the name of the place where these trains are produced including: all towns, villages, burroughs, grass huts (if you like) or any physical location that has a name. I also would like to know the names of these companies, corporations, organizations, groups or any category that you want to place on them that are being contracted to produce these trains. I asked a simple question requesting a simple answer, I would like to know where these trains are made and by whom. Oh Boy! Trains!......................Herky 1950 Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25533	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Liquid Nails

Bente and Rance wrote: > 2) how long does one have to curve homabed on subroadbed before it > doesnt\'t move? I assume that you mean "cure" here. The cure time of liquid nails is measured in minutes until it will hold the homabed in place, but several hours for complete cure. Personally, I wait until he next day, whatever that length of time turns out to be. > 3) have you used liquid nails to glue rail down on ties instead of > spiking it (e.g., especially BK switches which have to be gauged)? I have used a number of BK switches but usually do not glue the rails to the ties because I might want to relocate the switch at some time in the future. On those occasions that I have glued the rails to ties, I used Pliobond instead because it is thinner and can be applied more sparingly than liquid nails. Moreover, a hot soldering iron applied to the rail will loosen Pliobond if it becomes necessary. I don't know if that works with Liquid Nails. One can thin liquid nails but why bother if something else is available that works as well and does not have to involve an extra process. Bob Jackson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25534	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers

I don't understand this exchange. And the reason seems to be, that public questions seem to be answered with private emails. There might be others that would be interested in the answer. Did "Don" want to keep some source anonymous? Please post your answers to the board so we can all share, or is there something "Don" had to say that he couldn't say to all? Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, bellokdaka@w... wrote: > Dear Don, I didn't think that this should be a sensitive question. When > asking what cities they are produced in I am using the word "cities" in > the generic sense. Since I must have a specific question to get an > answer let me rephrase by asking what is the name of the place where > these trains are produced including: all towns, villages, burroughs, > grass huts (if you like) or any physical location that has a name. I > also would like to know the names of these companies, corporations, > organizations, groups or any category that you want to place on them > that are being contracted to produce these trains. I asked a simple > question requesting a simple answer, I would like to know where these > trains are made and by whom. > Oh Boy! Trains!......................Herky 1950 > Obie Bell > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25535	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Liquid Nails

I push in small nails about halfway with finger pressure to hold the roadbed curve until it cures. I also use water filled jars and/or canned food to hold the roadbed down until cured. This works well in a few hours with carpenter's glue. Don't know Liquid Nails cure time. Robert Jackson wrote: > > Bente and Rance wrote: > > > 2) how long does one have to curve homabed on subroadbed before it > > doesnt\'t move? > > I assume that you mean "cure" here. The cure time of liquid nails is > measured in minutes until it will hold the homabed in place, but several > hours for complete cure. Personally, I wait until he next day, whatever that > length of time turns out to be. -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25536	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers

Hello Carl, I started this, yesterday by asking an open question to ALL members of the list with what I thought was a relevant question as to what cities in China that S-trains are manufactured in. Don responded with what I considered to be a "smart" evasive answer that they were not produced in "cities". I replied to his response, and that is the email of mine that you have attached to your question. Since this time I have received somewhat of a stern letter from Paul Yorke asking "why" I would ask this question and "why" I would ask this question on "HIS LIST". This message came to me from Paul's personal address not the list. However, Don it seems also has a copy as I just received a message written by him to Paul thanking him for his response to me and Don's email included the "personal" message Paul wrote to me. Along with his thanks was the comment as I always tell people "they are made on earth by earthlings"! Evidently this is a question that should not be asked! But I believe I have taken enough information from this exchange to determine that I will feel more comfortable spending my budgeted train dollars elsewhere. I also have taken from this exchange to re-evaluate the worthiness of this list. The way the exchange went I believe was improperly handled by Paul. If it is not relevant to know about where S-guage trains are produced by asking an open question to the members of the S-List then I wonder if the S-List is itself relevant. Obviously as soon as this is posted I will be dropped from the S-list, however, I do not like playing email games! I repeat the question was simple, and relevant, and could have been totally ignored if so chosen, I am old enough to remember when A.C. Gilbert was proud to proclaim his products were made in the USA and even specified NEW HAVEN! Thanks to all, nice reading your mails!! Oh Boy! Trains.......................Herky 1950 Obie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25537	From: beechcricker	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: North Carolina Hobby Shops

We will be visiting family in the Raleigh/Durham area next month. I see there are two S-friendly hobby shops in the area: The Hobby Shop in Sanford and Joe's Train Repair in Rougemont. Can anyone provide directions and hours for these two establishments? Wife-permitting, I'd like to visit one or both. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25538	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers

Maybe Obie wanted to know where they are manufactured.....Maybe HE JUST WON THE LOTTERY and wants to start producing more "S"...But where does he go? How can such a simple question get everyone so upset? As for me I really will get flamed for this question....Anybody know of any really Good Train meets and / or shows in the southeast in May and WHERE?....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25539	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Bachmann Gnomy cars

I posted some pix of the cars I bought. They're sitting on Gargraves s track. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun00 Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25540	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: York Report for H1 Gaugers

Another T.C.A. Eastern Division meet (“York”) has come and gone, and its time to sum up the experience. Much vintage Gilbert and Lionel Flyer was about to overwhelm new collectors and operators, and a few special goodies were offered for sale for the long-time habitués. There were few real “Oh, goshes” but York can be overwhelming, as viewed through the eyes of some new 30-something fans of vintage Gilbert that I meet. It is worth repeating that ebay is a pale substitute for the York experience. K-Lines’ new rolling stock was on display. Yet again, many pounded Maury Kline and his minions on the desirability to build the UP “Little Boy” in S gauge. Although not scale (It is selectively compressed to roughly 1/60) an S gauge version could find a happy home on many Flyer pikes. An excellent conversion was on display around the corner from the K-L exhibit to drive home the obvious. At the Toy Train Museum presentation on Thursday, Kline stated that 500 engines would have to be made and sold to make the project worthwhile and an S gauge version hinges on the success of their S gauge offerings. Well, the good news is that the tank cars look, well, “ok”, and the best thing about the new K-L “S” is the sprung trucks. But, be warned that the boxcars are appalling with their overly steep roofs and slightly off-beat graphics and proportions. I cannot but help get the giggles when I see our old B&O boxcar, as rendered in K-L 0-27. Lionel had all of the new rolling stock on display. The updated AF Brownhoist crane and companion boom car in SF markings are very sharp. An additional solenoid has been added to the Moe and Joe mechanism for improved plank ejection dependability. The Baldwin was not on display, but be advised that the catalog depiction is incomplete. The actual engines will have separately applied railings, directional lighting, windows, and a new chassis and drive train. The jury is still out on these, but it will be interesting to see how the final engine turns out. Bill Bracy made a special point of stating that the new steam engine is on track (so to speak) for the fall. Although Lionel is still not revealing what it will be, the steamer is to be all-new and different from what has been offered in high-rail/scaleplate S gauge to date, and is to be full-featured with TMCC, Railsounds, etc. Lionel is developing coil couplers for S gauge engines, but this feature may not make it in time for the first release of the engine. My unsubstantiated guess on the matter (based on a hint to the audience at the museum on Thursday) is that it is to be a scale-sized Berkshire done in more than one road name. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, but I continue to be impressed by the openness of the new product development Troika at Lionel to suggestions. Although the gang here gathered may not care, the new 0 gauge stuff continues to pore forth in gorgeous abundance. The bell of the ball of ALL of the new products displayed was a new scale Brownhoist equipped with four motors permitting all the motions and functions of a crane car remotely by TMCC for what will be a street price of ~$250. The gang from SHS were in Purple Hall as usual with their excellent new extended side panel hoppers on sale. I admit to getting a kick out of dragging my 0 gauger friends to see the F-7s, which are the most beautiful and accurate regardless of gauge. No steam engine yet to physically see, but preorders are now being taken. A steam era caboose to go with the new 2-8-0 steam engine (and all of those wood-sided reefers!) is in the works. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25541	From: rkuepper	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Bachmann Gnomy cars

Just added some colseups of individual cars. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun00 Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25542	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers

I'm thinking of finding or starting a new list. Last week, someone ask a question about who was or owned, Gilbert HO, and everyone got upset at the "someone" who said, what difference does it make. Now you ask a similar question, and instead of getting upset at "Don" annonymous, they get upset with you. Who is "Don"? This is a real double standard. Or is not the question and answer, is it who is doing the asking and answering. I know my trains were mane in New Haven, Conn. Maybe I'll get the boot too. Freedom of speak, until you exercise it. Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, bellokdaka@w... wrote: > Hello Carl, I started this, yesterday by asking an open question to ALL > members of the list with what I thought was a relevant question as to > what cities in China that S-trains are manufactured in. > Don responded with what I considered to be a "smart" evasive answer that > they were not produced in "cities". I replied to his response, and that > is the email of mine that you have attached to your question. Since > this time I have received somewhat of a stern letter from Paul Yorke > asking "why" I would ask this question and "why" I would ask this > question on "HIS LIST". This message came to me from Paul's personal > address not the list. However, Don it seems also has a copy as I just > received a message written by him to Paul thanking him for his response > to me and Don's email included the "personal" message Paul wrote to me. > Along with his thanks was the comment as I always tell people "they are > made on earth by earthlings"! Evidently this is a question that should > not be asked! But I believe I have taken enough information from this > exchange to determine that I will feel more comfortable spending my > budgeted train dollars elsewhere. I also have taken from this exchange > to re-evaluate the worthiness of this list. The way the exchange went I > believe was improperly handled by Paul. If it is not relevant to know > about where S-guage trains are produced by asking an open question to > the members of the S-List then I wonder if the S-List is itself > relevant. Obviously as soon as this is posted I will be dropped from > the S-list, however, I do not like playing email games! I repeat the > question was simple, and relevant, and could have been totally ignored > if so chosen, I am old enough to remember when A.C. Gilbert was proud to > proclaim his products were made in the USA and even specified NEW HAVEN! > Thanks to all, nice reading your mails!! > Oh Boy! Trains.......................Herky 1950 > Obie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25543	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Train Manufacturers

How about the good old USA? Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > Maybe Obie wanted to know where they are manufactured.....Maybe HE JUST WON > THE LOTTERY and wants to start producing more "S"...But where does he go? > How can such a simple question get everyone so upset? As for me I really > will get flamed for this question....Anybody know of any really Good Train > meets and / or shows in the southeast in May and WHERE?....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25544	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: S-train manufacturers

Don Thompson has been remarkably open with this list about the details of costing issues, manufacturing processes, the hazards of importing, and lots of other interesting stuff. If he wants to keep some cards close to his chest, for whatever reasons, he is more than entitled to do so. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25545	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: List Management

No one has ever been 'dropped' from this list or any of the other lists that I manage. If someone would like to take over management of this list please contact me. If someone would like to start a Yahoo list please contact me, I would be happy to help you start one. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25546	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: The "dropper" or the "Drop-ee"....

Paul wrote: """No one has ever been 'dropped' from this list or any of the other lists that I manage.""""" I'm sure we have lost a few in the past three years since I have been on the list,...but they were "Self" droppers!!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25547	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Decals

Hi Folks I hope some of the decal manufacturer/dealer are keeping track on the possible car kits from Kaslo we may have in S. A PRR N5C 19000 & 20100 NYC cabooses & a 55ft. CN/BCR/DW&P 55' Bulkhead Flatcar. Of course the PS-1 is already available and in the hands of S Gaugers John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25548	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: decals

John, I believe CDS makes transfers that can be used for the proposed NYC caboose. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25549	From: iradiate1967	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Sell or trade hirail stuff for scale stuff...

Hello. I have a few spare sets of Flyer compatible SHS wheels and couplers to unload. I can either sell them or would be happy to trade for your scale wheels from SHS or American Models that are not being used. Any takers? I have enough wheels and couplers to equip 5 complete cars. I also have 2 REX Gondolas in unpainted form that are the Flyer version underneath. They are just bodies, the detail parts are lost. I would love to trade both for some scale wheels as well. Please reply off list, thanks. Vince iradiate1967@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25550	From: mlmarmer	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Rebels With Disposable Income (washingtonpost.com)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39943-2003Apr25.html Interesting article about what baby boomers are buying today and it does talk about Mike's Train House. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25551	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: York Report for H1 Gaugers

One of the Lionel personnel told a groups of us they had the S-Gauge diesels on display. Did anyone SEE them???? They did have a sound car stolen off of the operating display on Friday according to one insider. The one we saw Saturday didn't work. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25552	From: Bill Lane	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: River Raisin S Scale J-1

Hi All, I JUST got my River Raisin S Scale J-1 back from my painter. I had to share it with everyone. I am very happy with the results. I have another tender that still has to be completed. Charlie finished this one first because it is the one that I took the antennas off. This also is a new level for me, as it is DCC and sound equipped. I have not run it yet. I will be bringing it to the PRR Convention this week, so you can have a first hand look if you are attending. Enjoy! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/S_Scale_J1_1.jpg http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/S_Scale_J1_2.jpg Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25553	From: robert allen conner	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: List Management

Paul....I would like to start one...NOT TRAINS...as you know I have about 400 old Balsa type u/c kits and a lot of Speedee's...(you think trains are high priced!!!!)....I want to find or start a list....Ideas???? Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] List Management > No one has ever been 'dropped' from this list or any > of the other lists that I manage. > > If someone would like to take over management of this > list please contact me. > > If someone would like to start a Yahoo list please > contact me, I would be happy to help you start one. > > > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25554	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: River Raisin S Scale J-1

Texas & Pacific used to have some 2-10-4 "Texas" engines. How close is this J-1 to the Texas? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "PRR Modeling" <PRR-Modeling@yahoogroups.com>; "PRR Talk" <PRR-Talk@...>; "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <brasscollectors@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] River Raisin S Scale J-1 > Hi All, > > I JUST got my River Raisin S Scale J-1 back from my painter. I had to share > it with everyone. I am very happy with the results. I have another tender > that still has to be completed. Charlie finished this one first because it > is the one that I took the antennas off. This also is a new level for me, as > it is DCC and sound equipped. I have not run it yet. I will be bringing it > to the PRR Convention this week, so you can have a first hand look if you > are attending. > > Enjoy! > > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/S_Scale_J1_1.jpg > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/S_Scale_J1_2.jpg > > Thanks > Bill > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25555	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: York Report for H1 Gaugers

In a message dated 4/27/03 8:01:16 PM, WJJIM@... writes: << One of the Lionel personnel told a groups of us they had the S-Gauge diesels on display. Did anyone SEE them???? >> The Baldwins (if these are what you are refering to) were not on display. My report related Todd Wagner's answers to my questions. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25556	From: Richard Snook	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: warning...silly question below!!

Howdy all If this has already been answered...thenI apoloise...someone point me in right direction.....otherwise..... A couple of posts here piqued my curiosity to venture over to the Lionel site...and to view their new "Baldwins".....now is it just me...or is there some heritga ething happening here Im am blissfully unaware of....but dont we HAVE a Baldwin S-12 ...over at Ron- Land !!!!!!...now we have 2....ah well must just be me...as I would have rather an Alco S-2,4..6 or something !! This is not meant to be inflamatory...I am just dead curios to know why they doubled up... Ill wadle off back to my little rails now ;-)) cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25557	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: River Raisin S Scale J-1

Bill,... It looks great!! Do you want my shipping address??? Hah!!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25558	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: S-train manufacturers

Tom Jarcho wrote: >Don Thompson has been remarkably open with this list about the >details of costing issues, manufacturing processes, the hazards of >importing, and lots of other interesting stuff. If he wants to keep >some cards close to his chest, for whatever reasons, he is more than >entitled to do so. Yes, that is true. And given some behind-the-scenes maneuvering by entities that SHS competes with, a certain amount of secrecy is to be expected. However, the customer is also entitled to know that the product he's buying was not made under... uh, certain criminal circumstances. I went over the "Who actually makes this stuff?" issue privately with Don T. early on, when SHS first offered their own made-in-China line. Don shared my concerns, and he assured me that SHS products are not made by "slave labor", political prisoners, or any other nefarious means. I trust him to know his manufacturer well enough to make those assurances meaningful, at least until I have solid evidence to the contrary. The "Made in China" issue is not trivial. We are dealing with a country whose government likes to point nukes at us. Should we be trading with China at all? I'm sure many here have agonized over the prospect that we could be strengthening our worst enemy. Or are we helping the average Chinese toward freedom? There are good points argued by both sides of that question, but frankly, I still haven't settled it in my own mind. I have a friend who married a Chinese woman recently and brought her to the U.S. She told us that many Chinese people wish the U.S. wouldn't trade with China because, regardless of who in China makes the stuff, most of the money goes to the Chinese gov't anyway. It only strengthens the govt's hold on the people. Is she correct? I'm not sure how she would know where all the money goes, but it makes me wonder. I trust Don, but I still can't help wishing SHS (and AM) products were made in some free country, like maybe Taiwan or South Korea. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25559	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: S-train manufacturers

Or how about a free country like the USA? Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@y...> wrote: > Tom Jarcho wrote: > > >Don Thompson has been remarkably open with this list about the > >details of costing issues, manufacturing processes, the hazards of > >importing, and lots of other interesting stuff. If he wants to keep > >some cards close to his chest, for whatever reasons, he is more than > >entitled to do so. > > Yes, that is true. And given some behind-the-scenes maneuvering by > entities that SHS competes with, a certain amount of secrecy is to be > expected. > > However, the customer is also entitled to know that the product he's > buying was not made under... uh, certain criminal circumstances. I > went over the "Who actually makes this stuff?" issue privately with > Don T. early on, when SHS first offered their own made-in-China line. > Don shared my concerns, and he assured me that SHS products are not > made by "slave labor", political prisoners, or any other nefarious > means. I trust him to know his manufacturer well enough to make those > assurances meaningful, at least until I have solid evidence to the > contrary. > > The "Made in China" issue is not trivial. We are dealing with a > country whose government likes to point nukes at us. Should we be > trading with China at all? I'm sure many here have agonized over the > prospect that we could be strengthening our worst enemy. Or are we > helping the average Chinese toward freedom? There are good points > argued by both sides of that question, but frankly, I still haven't > settled it in my own mind. > > I have a friend who married a Chinese woman recently and brought her > to the U.S. She told us that many Chinese people wish the U.S. > wouldn't trade with China because, regardless of who in China makes > the stuff, most of the money goes to the Chinese gov't anyway. It > only strengthens the govt's hold on the people. Is she correct? I'm > not sure how she would know where all the money goes, but it makes me > wonder. > > I trust Don, but I still can't help wishing SHS (and AM) products > were made in some free country, like maybe Taiwan or South Korea. > > > Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25560	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: S-train manufacturers

In a message dated 4/28/03 8:37:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rodgers_carl@... writes: > Or how about a free country like the USA? > I hear complaints all the time about trains not made in USA. That's fine! I just went back to work from medical leave and was immediately laid off. Our jobs went over seas. They need to make the Air compressors on our American Cars so they can keep making a profit to suit the investor. My point here? Train buyers are already whining(not everyone) about the cost of these toys. How much discount can I get? I have a K-line contact to order the new 20.00 dollar cars. I asked the guys in the group(MVSG) who wanted to place an order. The first question out of their mouths was how much of a discount can we get them for. Not have I seen one, or what kind of trucks. How much discount! And you guys want trains made in the US? $39.95 MSRP skyrockets to $54.95 MRSP. Pesonally, I think Don should jack the prices up by 20% and then automatically discount everything 15%. Maybe we would all be happy then. I'm stepping down off me pile of rubble now. Chris The Trainnut Burger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25561	From: iradiate1967	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: 651 baggage car for sale/trade, non lighted

Hello all. I posted a photo of a New Haven baggage car #651 in the photos section labled 651 FS. It's in excellent condition, no flaws other than the paint having a few scratches. I am a scaler, so this is really not something I need. I would consider trading for 50 foot freight cars, or selling. Please contact off list. Thanks for the bandwidth, I dislike ebay lately.... Vince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25562	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: S-train manufacturers

The only difference in cost between China and the good old US of A is the wages paid for assembly. Mold cost are the same and the drawings are done in the good old US of A anyway. As far as knowing what kind of labor is used on your kits is a shot in the dark. Nike is being sued right now over what they claim to be the labor used in making their shoes. You can make a trip over to see the factory where your models are being made and never see the real factory. They show you what ever they want you to see. Remember it is the Chinese Army that is really running the show. How else can they get US of A dollars so they can buy our secrets on how to fire the rocket at us. If anyone wants to cut an injection mold I can get it done for less in the good old US of A, but there is no way you can compete with their wages for assembly. Also as far as your job going over seas, Your government has a lot to do with that. Thank you Larry Jackman Cbtrainnut1@... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/28/03 8:37:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > rodgers_carl@... writes: > > > Or how about a free country like the USA? > > > I hear complaints all the time about trains not made in USA. That's fine! I > just went back to work from medical leave and was immediately laid off. Our > jobs went over seas. They need to make the Air compressors on our American > Cars so they can keep making a profit to suit the investor. > My point here? Train buyers are already whining(not everyone) about the cost > of these toys. How much discount can I get? > I have a K-line contact to order the new 20.00 dollar cars. I asked the guys > in the group(MVSG) who wanted to place an order. The first question out of > their mouths was how much of a discount can we get them for. Not have I seen > one, or what kind of trucks. How much discount! And you guys want trains made > in the US? > $39.95 MSRP skyrockets to $54.95 MRSP. > Pesonally, I think Don should jack the prices up by 20% and then > automatically discount everything 15%. Maybe we would all be happy then. > I'm stepping down off me pile of rubble now. > Chris The Trainnut Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25563	From: Emily	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Switch Controls

Good Morning Group. I am in the process of completely rewiring my layout and have come across some H.O. type switch (turnout) controllers that are much smaller and easier to install than my old Gilbert types. My problem is that I could only find five of them and I need eleven. The name of the controller is Tru Track by Tru Scale, a subsidiary of Auroa Plastics located in San Dimas, CA. These controllers are at least 30 years old and I cannot find any current location or information on the company. Is anyone on the list familiar with this controller or the company that used to make them ? Would sure appreciate any information you can offer. Thanks ! Russ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25564	From: Tim	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: Switch Controls

Hi, I use the old style Atlas HO switch controllers for switches on my Flyer layout. The only thing I can tell you about acquiring them is that I look for them at all the train shows I attend. I only buy them when the seller agrees to 50 cents or less apiece. Look in junk boxes at HO tables. They have a three wire connection, so I run a separate lamp circuit. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Emily To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Switch Controls Good Morning Group. I am in the process of completely rewiring my layout and have come across some H.O. type switch (turnout) controllers that are much smaller and easier to install than my old Gilbert types. My problem is that I could only find five of them and I need eleven. The name of the controller is Tru Track by Tru Scale, a subsidiary of Auroa Plastics located in San Dimas, CA. These controllers are at least 30 years old and I cannot find any current location or information on the company. Is anyone on the list familiar with this controller or the company that used to make them ? Would sure appreciate any information you can offer. Thanks ! Russ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25565	From: John A Foley	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: NYC Caboose

Hi Folks In the April 88 Mainline Modeler there is a good article on NYC caboose starting on page 40. It is written by a Mr. Mont Switzer John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25566	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: Switch Controls

Use Atlas HO controllers that are available at any train store selling HO. I use them extensively for Flyer switches. Emily wrote: > > Good Morning Group. > > I am in the process of completely rewiring my layout and have come across some H.O. type switch (turnout) controllers that are much smaller and easier to install than my old Gilbert types. My problem is that I could only find five of them and I need eleven. The name of the controller is Tru Track by Tru Scale, a subsidiary of Auroa Plastics located in San Dimas, CA. These controllers are at least 30 years old and I cannot find any current location or information on the company. Is anyone on the list familiar with this controller or the company that used to make them ? Would sure appreciate any information you can offer. Thanks ! > > Russ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25567	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: B&O Wagon Top Caboose

In a recent S-Trains, John Foley mentioned that Kaslo shops would make caboose series 20100 if he got 40 orders. Since the number of orders he needs is only 40, I was wondering if we have enough people interested to get a model of the Baltimore & Ohio Wagon Top cabooses which were made in Keyser, WV during WW II. I've seen these in S scale brass, but never is plastic (resin?). Let's hear from anyone interested in an S gauge model of this caboose. You can see a picture of it at http://www.midwestrailway.org/freight.htm Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25568	From: eric reis	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: S Gauge herald magazines for sale

I have a complete set of the original S Gauge herald magazines plus 3 of the revival issues for sale as a set. These are all 3 hole punched and come in 6 full 3 ring binders. All are in near excellent condition. First offer of $125 plus $10 shipping can have them. This is compariable to the latest bidding on EBAY. If no-one is interested in the next few days I will put them on EBAY. any questions, just ask. thanks. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25569	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: York Report for H1 Gaugers

The only S-gauge I saw was on the bottom one or two shelves under all the O ga. The redecorated 1945 shells. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25570	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Our "New" home

Ok folks, this is my third attempt at sending this. Yahoo dumps me as fast as I reactivate my account! Hi all, Just finished uploading some new pics of our new digs on my website. Takes longer to debug the links than to do the photos! http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/Home.htm These are just of the area right around the house and the lower garage/train room area (Well, train room if I can get everything else out of it when I'm done moving and remodeling!) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25571	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1864

In a message dated 4/28/03 6:21:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > I trust Don, but I still can't help wishing SHS (and AM) products > were made in some free country, like maybe Taiwan or South Korea. > > > Chuck F. > Chuck, I agree wit this last statement and that's all I want to say about the whole problem with secret emails, stern letters, etc. I joined this list last year because I was receiving some very valuable information concerning repair, fabrication and other elements of the hobby of toy trains. Lately, I feel as if this has reached more political proportions than a $500 a plate fund raiser. I love reading from most, if not all of you fine people that have this knowledge. I miss Chris Z. What more can I say, let's talk trains! Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25572	From: David	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: Our "New" home

Nice place Dave. Simple and a touch of rustic, I like it.... but wheres the still?? :) Best of luck!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25573	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: digest 1864

Everything is connected to everything else, and political issues, such as the mass exodus of American jobs, do impact on S gauge toy trains. It is impossible to draw a line and say that toy trains are on one side and politics on the other. Given that, i think the list membership has mostly done a really nice job of skirting political controversy and skating around inflammatory topics so we can enjoy talking about our hobby. This is just not the place to thrash out political issues, even though they certainly need thrashing out! I miss Chris Z too. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25574	From: iradiate1967	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Need a roomate for NASG convention??

I want to go, but the price for a room is hefty. Anyone need a roomate? I am traveling from Duluth, Minnesota and would be going on Wednesday night by vehicle if you need a ride. I have a van. Vince :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25575	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1864

Been out of the loop for a while. So what happened to Chris Z?? Roy Inman ---------- > From: Crpntr12449@... > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:57:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1864 > > I miss Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25576	From: jayhoo64	Date: 4/28/2003
Subject: Re: digest 1864

Tom J. wrote: >i think the list membership has mostly done a really nice job >of skirting political controversy and skating around inflammatory >topics so we can enjoy talking about our hobby. This is just not the >place to thrash out political issues, even though they certainly >need thrashing out! Indeed, Tom, and I wasn't attempting to drag in political stuff, just trying to put the "Why won't they tell me where this is made?" issue into perspective. (And also to vent some of my own reservations about my favorite S gauge trains.) Many thanx to all who indulged me. :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25577	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Help with an old Rex Kit

I understand I have a Rex (2-4-2's) that had the boiler shortened. I was told the S Gauge Herald did a article on a 2-4-2 in vols 12 no. 2 & 3. I need some help on what to do. It has a fame and has a one axle back half of a frame. I thought it was a 0-6-0 which I will want to buy, but it is some kind of kit bashed engine. Thanks Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25578	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Re: LIST MANAGEMENT

Hi Paul & All, Don't give up a great source of information. There are several lists at present, RFG & NASG Members being two that have about 1 or less posts per week. This is the best source of AF and S gauge info and you, Paul, are doing a great job. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Message: 14 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> Subject: List Management No one has ever been 'dropped' from this list or any of the other lists that I manage. If someone would like to take over management of this list please contact me. If someone would like to start a Yahoo list please contact me, I would be happy to help you start one. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25579	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Help

Hi Everyone, I hope that all who went to York had a great time. I have a couple of requests. Would anyone willing to resend Digests 1859,1860,1861,1862,1863 & 1864, while I was on vacation Yahoo shut off my account because of the @#%& spam exceeded my limit. The second is for a 080 tender I picked up a Train Show. I believe it is for 21145 switcher, it is a cast tender no reverse unit or light, but has a 2 prong jack panel marked PA14B972 2. Is this considered a rare item and what it might be worth alone? Lastly sometime ago I believe on this list, someone said you can get AC Gilbert patents on the web. Does anyone have a list of the patents or know were I can find it. Thanks AL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25580	From: Alex	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Re: Our "New" home

Congratulations David. It looks like a lovely rural place to live! Good luck. == Alex in Maine -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:59 PM To: s-trains; S-Scale Subject: [S-Trains] Our "New" home Ok folks, this is my third attempt at sending this. Yahoo dumps me as fast as I reactivate my account! Hi all, Just finished uploading some new pics of our new digs on my website. Takes longer to debug the links than to do the photos! http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/Home.htm These are just of the area right around the house and the lower garage/train room area (Well, train room if I can get everything else out of it when I'm done moving and remodeling!) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25581	From: Robert Wight	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Re: LIST MANAGEMENT

Glenn; I agree. Paul is the foundation.Dont want to lose that. Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: LIST MANAGEMENT Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:38:36 -0400 Hi Paul & All, Don't give up a great source of information. There are several lists at present, RFG & NASG Members being two that have about 1 or less posts per week. This is the best source of AF and S gauge info and you, Paul, are doing a great job. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Message: 14 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> Subject: List Management No one has ever been 'dropped' from this list or any of the other lists that I manage. If someone would like to take over management of this list please contact me. If someone would like to start a Yahoo list please contact me, I would be happy to help you start one. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25582	From: knockbill	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: 0-8-0 tender, York

Hi Guys I hope everyone had as good a time at York as I did!!!!!! Al, the tender you got,, was it in the white hall?? I saw an 0-8-0 switcher (I think it was the # you mentioned),,on a table with the wrong tender... They were being sold as a set,, something like $325.00?? Did you just get the tender or engine also?? I thought the tender I saw was for a DC engine, because I didn't see the slots for the reverse lock-out,,, OR are the bases the same for the AC & DC 0-8-0 engines of the same era??? Anyone have another idea?? Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25583	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Re: Bachmann Gnomy cars

Dick, Glad to hear you found them. I'm surprised they are so hard to find. The wheels are junk, but with a little creative engineering, you can make some neat little cars. I really enjoy my baby bobber caboose. Where did you buy your Gnomys? Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rkuepper" <rkuepper@a...> wrote: > Just added some colseups of individual cars. > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php? set_albumName=albun00 > > Dick > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25584	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: April Dispatch

Just got my latest Dispatch. Sorry to say that it ain't me in the group picture of B.T. awardees. That is John Bortz unless my aging eyes deceive me. Much as I would like to have been in the picture, I certainly don't believe myself to worthy of the award. Bob Jackson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25585	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 4/29/2003
Subject: Die Cast

Just got my new Diecast Direct catalogue in the mail today. For you absolutely modern folks, they have one new item that might be of interest. It's a Hummer in 1:64 for $4.95. Too bad though--it's outfitted for use in Iraq with military colors and a machine gun on the roof. Doesn't look as if it would be very hard to "whack" the machine gun, and a repaint would be a piece of cake. Picture is up, and is item #Cs90087. Three other intriguing 1:64 items that are also new but have no pictures or detail descriptions yet are #Mc91578A Barrett-Jackson 1970's Collection 6 items for $26.95, #Mc91578C Ford 100th Anniversary Set 4 items for $26.95, and #Mc91578D My Classic Car Collection 6 items for $26.95. If you don't live in Arizona or aren't a 1:1 car nut, Barrett-Jackson probably doesn't mean anything to you. The Barrett-Jackson car auction is held in Phoenix, actually Scottsdale, every January. It is the largest, and most expensive, of three separate vehicle auctions held in Phoenix during January. I've seen Frank Sinatra's T-Bird, Dean Martin's something-or-other, and Sammy Davis's Bentley go on the block there. Last January, Reggie Jackson sold off six, I think, of his car collection. They usually auction off about 400 vehicles over four days. So, the Barrett-Jackson might include some of those goodies. Just have to wait for DCD to post the pictures. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25586	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 4/30/2003
Subject: Anthracite railroad digest.

S Gaugers, For those who might be interested in modeling railroads of the anthracite region I found a digest devoted to them and have subscribed . The group's name is AnthraciteRR@yahoogroups.com As many of you know, I am a Philadelphia and Reading/Reading buff, and so this group plays right into my scheme. Modelers who are interested in the P&R or Reading, Lehigh Valley, Lehigh and New England, Central Railroad of New Jersey (CNJ or "Jersey Central"), Pennsylvania Railroad, Delaware and Hudson, Erie Lackawanna, and others that hauled "black diamonds" would be interested in the threads that run through this group. There is a lot of discussion about model railroading, but I'm the only one who I have seen writing anything about S-Gauge. I happened to mention my favorite AC Gilbert Flyer locomotive, the Reading P7sb Atlantic in my first post. I hope to see some of you anthracite guys there. W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25587	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 4/30/2003
Subject: Gilbert Milk Car

Hi Guys Anyone know who may have decals or dry transfers for the Gilbert Milk Car # 973 or 25019. Thanks Al ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25588	From: Al	Date: 4/30/2003
Subject: Gnomy Cars

Sorry to disenchant some of you who think that Bachmann made the Gnomy cars, but they did not make them. The Gnomy cars are made by Lehmann in Western Germany. However, That should not prevent any of you who want to kit bash them to run on S-Gauge tracks. Go For It, I am. I purchased a few of the ore cars and one flat hopper car to have some fun modifying them some weekend. Al Rawdon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25589	From: Al	Date: 4/30/2003
Subject: David Dewey's new home

David, What a nice looking home for you and your family. What a great setting. It must be nice and peaceful there with only the sound of a nearby stream, birds chirping in the forest, and some real quiet. Just think, no freeways, no airports, no trains .... What! NO TRAINS! Well, you will just have to get that train room going. Bye the way, did you really disguise the still as an outhouse? Al Rawdon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25590	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains For sale

The post-York May list (some neat stuff!)is posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25591	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: Re: Our "New" home

Hi David: You might be tempted to do some G gauge with all that space! Rance David Dewey wrote: >Ok folks, this is my third attempt at sending this. Yahoo dumps me as fast >as I reactivate my account! > >Hi all, > Just finished uploading some new pics of our new digs on my website. >Takes longer to debug the links than to do the photos! > >http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/Home.htm > >These are just of the area right around the house and the lower garage/train >room area (Well, train room if I can get everything else out of it when I'm >done moving and remodeling!) >S' >David D. > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25592	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: uncoupler

How do you wire the 706 remote uncoupler?? No matter how I wire it it ends up shorting out.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25593	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: Re: uncoupler

Simple...one wire from base to screw lug on right side of uncoupler ( side really doesn't matter) and one wire from the 16v tap to the button and one wire from the button to the other screw lug...If you still get a short...just replace the uncoupler...they are very common...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "garyandkay66203" <g.landers@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] uncoupler > How do you wire the 706 remote uncoupler?? No matter how I wire it > it ends up shorting out. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25594	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: Re: 973 milkcar

----ORIGINAL MESSAGE---- <<<Anyone know who may have decals or dry transfers for the Gilbert Milk Car # 973 or 25019. Thanks Al>>>>> They don't exist, Al. BUT....we can easily add them to our rubber stamp line ! It would probably require two separate stamps....one for each end of the car. Interested???? As usual, we would do them from photos of an original car, they'd be identical to original lettering/design, and we could have them ready within 2-3 weeks. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25595	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: Delayed Track plans

A few months back, I promised that I'd have another batch of S track plans ready by early Spring. These would be plans using both AF and S-trax for a 4' by 8' surface, complete with track diagram, 3d pics and parts lists. These will be posted, but they are delayed. I haven't been well the last couple months, and this culminated in a heart attack on Easter. I spent a week in the hospital. Hopefully I can get this batch finished by the end of May. Once again, my apologies for the delays. Happy railroading! Thor http;//www.thortrains.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25596	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/1/2003
Subject: 1/64 R C vehicles

Has anyone made any progress integrating 1/64 RC vehicles into an S train layout? I saw some kids playing with them yesterday and they looked great. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25597	From: Jay	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: No apologies

Hey brother, No apologies necessary or required. You take care of yourself first and get well. Those plans will still be appreciated whenever (and now will be appreciated even more). Jay -- Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25598	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: R C Vehicles

I have run them on the roads of my layout and on our modular layout at shows. But the charge doesn't last long and they are hard to control in tight spaces. Glenn Tom wrote: >Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 01:29:52 -0400 > From: jarcho@... >Subject: 1/64 R C vehicles > >Has anyone made any progress integrating 1/64 RC vehicles into an S train >layout? I saw some kids playing with them yesterday and they looked great. > >Tom Jarcho > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25599	From: Neil Becker	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Idea for Diesels

Today's local paper had an article from the Washington Post on "Second Childhood" with a picture of Mike Wolf. In the picture was a MTH diesel blowing smoke. Any thoughts on adding a smoke unit to notorious diesel puffers? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25600	From: iradiate1967	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Surplus for sale, last 2

Hello list. I have but 2 things left to sell after changing the time frame for my railroad. In the PHOTOS section you will find pictures under "2 AM Boxcars FS". Both are Santa Fe, and in excellent shape. They have scale wheels and Kadees installed, but also come with SHS Hirail wheelsets and AM Flyer compatible couplers. I would like $14 each, or both for $22, will also consider trading them both for a single flatcar or gondola from AM, roadname unimportant. Please reply off list to iradiate1967@... Thanks. Vince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25601	From: srgriggs	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: Idea for Diesels

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Becker" <afmaven@s...> wrote: > Today's local paper had an article from the Washington Post on "Second Childhood" with a picture of Mike Wolf. In the picture was a MTH diesel blowing smoke. Any thoughts on adding a smoke unit to notorious diesel puffers? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I've seen an SIT unit installed in an AF Alco PA, but personally, I wouldn't really want a model diesel locomotive with a smoke unit. In real life diesels generally don't smoke nearly as much as steam locomotives (I know Alco diesel prime movers could smoke a lot, but I think that usually happened more when starting a train than continuously). If your diesels smoke as much as your steamers, it just doesn't look right to me--and smoke units today can really fog up your train room. More isn't better in this case, IMO. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25602	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: Idea for Diesels

In a message dated 5/2/03 3:32:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sgriggs@... writes: > I know Alco diesel prime movers could smoke a lot, but I > think that usually happened more when starting a train than > continuously If you run with DCC you could control the smoke unit while starting up and turn it off after it is running. I love DCC. Just wish I had more than 2 engines running with it. CB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25603	From: knockbill	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: 592 Crossing gate

Hi, Does anyone have a wiring diagram for a 592 ( 4 wire ) crossing gate?? Thanks in advance. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25604	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: ( S ) e-Bay Engine's sold - prices

Gentlemen: I traced the sale of several AF engine sales, 7 their sales prices. They were; Engine Sold at 283 $ 85.88 282 65.00 283 61.55 290 95.00 322 99.00 326 188.59 325 265.00 283 76.00 283 71.00 312 138.50 295 155.49 310 118.36 290 68.00 312 131.07 I am looking for a hudson, similar to these. Can some please toss out a few comments about these prices. I get the feeling, from listening to you that they are overpriced. I'd like to know if I'm correct, & how overpriced they are.Thanks for your patience with an naive member. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25605	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: Idea for Diesels

You should see the Video of the White Pass And Yukon I took as we were rounding a curve, crossing a bridge and going into a tunnel...The grade is quite steep on this line....Not only was smoke boiling from the stacks very heavy...But the flames were shooting way up into the air too....I was standing out on the passenger platform between the cars and had A perfect view...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cbtrainnut1@...> To: <sgriggs@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Idea for Diesels > In a message dated 5/2/03 3:32:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sgriggs@... > writes: > > > I know Alco diesel prime movers could smoke a lot, but I > > think that usually happened more when starting a train than > > continuously > > If you run with DCC you could control the smoke unit while starting up and > turn it off after it is running. I love DCC. Just wish I had more than 2 > engines running with it. CB > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25606	From: iradiate1967	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: 2 boxcars are gone

I got so many replies it is just easier this way. Thanks for the interest. They are spoken for. Vince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25607	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Virginian Caboose

Hi All, I have just finished scratchbuilding a Virginian Caboose based on a Mainline Modeler article. I have not scratchbuilt since I left N scale. Now I remember why I stopped. I have posted a photo on my web page at http://waynestrains.homestead.com/index.html Next click on S gauge trains, then click on the button for N&W, VGN, and Southern models. Finally, click on the Virginian button. Now, does anyone know where I can buy a hirail, plastic resin kit of a GE 44 ton engine. If so, contact me off group at abeachy@... Wayne Beachy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25608	From: David	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: ( S ) e-Bay Engine's sold - prices

Its all a mater of condition. What condition were each loco in in relation to the price obtained? A 290 for 95 or even 68 in my opinion is too much. To me the 290 is a $50 loco EX in OW. Anyway, given IF these locos were in EX I'd say they are pretty close except the 290's. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WEG138@a... wrote: > Gentlemen: > I traced the sale of several AF engine sales, 7 their sales prices. They > were; > Engine Sold at > 283 $ 85.88 > 282 65.00 > 283 61.55 > 290 95.00 > 322 99.00 > 326 188.59 > 325 265.00 > 283 76.00 > 283 71.00 > 312 138.50 > 295 155.49 > 310 118.36 > 290 68.00 > 312 131.07 > I am looking for a hudson, similar to these. Can some please toss out a > few comments about these prices. I get the feeling, from listening to you > that they are overpriced. I'd like to know if I'm correct, & how overpriced > they are.Thanks for your patience with an naive member. > Bill > Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25609	From: Chris Foden	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: Virginian Caboose

Hey Wayne, Great job, looks good! Thanks for the look at all your efforts. Chris Foden -----Original Message----- From: Wayne and Alice Beachy [mailto:abeachy@...] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:55 PM To: Showcase; S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Virginian Caboose Hi All, I have just finished scratchbuilding a Virginian Caboose based on a Mainline Modeler article. I have not scratchbuilt since I left N scale. Now I remember why I stopped. I have posted a photo on my web page at http://waynestrains.homestead.com/index.html Next click on S gauge trains, then click on the button for N&W, VGN, and Southern models. Finally, click on the Virginian button. Now, does anyone know where I can buy a hirail, plastic resin kit of a GE 44 ton engine. If so, contact me off group at abeachy@... Wayne Beachy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25610	From: Tim	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Recent projects

Hi guys, I've done some recent projects that may be of interest. I decided to buy old, rusted junk and try my hand at re-creating some vintage pieces. I feel this also breathes new life into otherwise unusable stuff. A couple of my recent projects are: a Comet ABA set and a Circus loco. You can see the results at my web site: http://home.att.net/~timboy/home.html I'm pleased with the results so far and am foolishly inspired to continue. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25611	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1868

In a message dated 5/2/03 4:53:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 04:12:52 -0000 > From: "Uncle Thor" <allgauge@...> > Subject: Delayed Track plans > Thor, I'm sorry for your sudden illness. Please let me take a moment to express to you that I feel your website is not only informative, but fun to browse. I have incorporated a couple of your ideas into a plan for my track and I wish you a speedy recovery. Oh, by the way, no rush on the new plans, I hope I speak for everybody on this list when I say that nothing in life is more important than your health, family, and God, not necessarily in that order. Take care, Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25612	From: keith kuzma	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: recent projects

Pretty neat stuff Tim, That A-B-A comet is rather rare.Nice web page, really liked all the erector trestles.Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25613	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 5/2/2003
Subject: Re: 1/64 R C vehicles

Tom, They do look neat but the charge doesn't last long and the controls aren't granular enough. In other words, you are going to be putting them back in the recharging cradle every four minutes. Also, there is no way you are going to keep the 1/64 scale car on a 1/64 scale road. They are fun to race on a kitchen floor or similar surface with plenty of room, but to keep them on the road you will need a pin-and-slot system or something similar to guide them. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 1/64 R C vehicles > Has anyone made any progress integrating 1/64 RC vehicles into an S train > layout? I saw some kids playing with them yesterday and they looked great. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25614	From: knockbill	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: 592 crossing gate

Hi Does anyone have a wiring diagram for a 592 crossing gate,, this one is a 4 wire accessory,,, I recieved some replies with directions for the 2 wire gate.... Thanks again John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25615	From: Roger Walton	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: wiring a 592 crossing gate

Here's the wiring for a 591 crossing gate requiring 4 wires. This is for connecting to a transformer; it's different if you're using a rectifier. I would imagine it's the same for a 592. If someone knows otherwise, please advise. 1. Connect a yellow wire from the yellow terminal to the 15 volt post on the transformer. 2. Connect a black wire from the black terminal to the Base post on the transformer. 3. Connect a green wire from the green erminal to the No. 707 Track Terminal located in the insulated section. 4. Connect the red and black terminals on the crossing gate together with a short red wire. Roger Walton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25616	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Other gauges lookjing at "S"

On a thread on the OGR forum http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=frm&s=63160042&f=57660482 called "Other Gauges" the question was... "How many of you actively model other gauges? I personally think N gauge is pretty neat!!!" Of the 16 answers so far 6 of them are into "S" or are looking at "S" That is 38% of the respondents! Carl.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25617	From: waldootten	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Re: Recent projects

>>I decided to buy old, rusted junk and try my hand at re-creating some vintage pieces. I feel this also breathes new life into otherwise unusable stuff.<< Tim -- I agree 100% and I'm starting to do the same thing. I now see myself as a caretaker for other families' memories. Because so many sets were bought in the late 1940s and early 1950s as Christmas presents for kids, I think it's pretty cool to give new life to stuff that provided so many great memories and happy moments for those families. At least that's what I tell my wife when I haul the stuff home. ;-) But seriously, each piece that's considered "junk" is one of a limited number of items that haven't been made for 50 years, in many cases. I hate to see stuff like that end up in landfills. Maybe some collectors feel restored ("bastardized?") American Flyer isn't "authentic" because it isn't totally original and therefore has no real value, but I disagree. Someday soon there'll be a second market for "Restored American Flyer." It may be starting right now. I even bought an airbrush and am looking at buying a benchtop cabinet that uses glass and plastic beads to remove paint from metal. Thanks for the heads-up on your projects. Keep having fun. And thanks to guys like Doug Peck who work so hard to keep us supplied with such a wide variety of replacement parts. And the list keeps growing. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25618	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumoing car

I have a 919 dump car....All of the pieces are fine and there EXCEPT the sideframe and the spring for the pickup shoe...Its there with the clip to hold it in place...My question...The old stamped frames of this type had a slot in them for the shoe...do the die cast ones have a slot too? Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25619	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: At Last - Completed Poultry Car Photos

Hello Group, I have posted some new photos of my COMPLETED Lehigh Valley Models Poultry Palace Car Kit on the Photo Gallery at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums From here: Pick the "MODEL RAILROADING" link Then pick the "Album: Photos from Our S Friends" link Then pick the "Album: Bullgator" link Then pick the "Album: Lehigh Valley Models Poultry Palace Car Kit" link I have completed detailing the hand molded chickens, placed them in the car and installed the cages. So it is finally complete and earning some money for the local co-op! The photos are sorted by caption so be sure to check out all three pages of photos. And while you're there, you may wish to check out the rest of my photos as well as the other American Flyer photos in all the other fine albums! Now the question is - when do I start on the Lehigh Valley Vinegar car??? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25620	From: Chris Foden	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Re: At Last - Completed Poultry Car Photos

What a great model!!!! When I first saw the chickens on the white tablet, I thought they were eggs or something else. Great talent, keep it up. Chris Foden -----Original Message----- From: Bull_Gator_1 [mailto:bull_gator_1@...] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 7:49 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] At Last - Completed Poultry Car Photos Hello Group, I have posted some new photos of my COMPLETED Lehigh Valley Models Poultry Palace Car Kit on the Photo Gallery at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums From here: Pick the "MODEL RAILROADING" link Then pick the "Album: Photos from Our S Friends" link Then pick the "Album: Bullgator" link Then pick the "Album: Lehigh Valley Models Poultry Palace Car Kit" link I have completed detailing the hand molded chickens, placed them in the car and installed the cages. So it is finally complete and earning some money for the local co-op! The photos are sorted by caption so be sure to check out all three pages of photos. And while you're there, you may wish to check out the rest of my photos as well as the other American Flyer photos in all the other fine albums! Now the question is - when do I start on the Lehigh Valley Vinegar car??? BG1 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25621	From: knockbill	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Crossing gate

Thanks to everyone who answered!! I have the 1st edition of Greenbergs Guide, & they seem to have the numbers mixed up.... With your diagram & instructions, I'll be able to see if it works... It looks like it has a seperate contactor to operate the solinoid,, If I put power directly to the solinoid, if moves the gate, however, I can't seem to get it operate through the contactor, maybe the points are burned?? I'll check it out again, now that I know how it was designed to work... Thanks again John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25624	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/3/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumoing car

Bob Conner asked: >I have a 919 dump car....My question...The old stamped frames of >this type had a slot in them for the shoe...do the die cast ones >have a slot too? WARNING: This answer is the long way around the barn to "Yes." Assuming you're referring to the construction of the trucks (not the whole car,) there are two different pick-up designs, even on the stamped link trucks. There is the older "4-rail" design with the designated plastic shoe that mounts to the truck by a horizontal slot on each side of the truck. The shoe supports two isolated contacts that work with a special track section. A later link truck design had had a stamped steel contact that sticks out of one side of the truck to make contact with an outside rail (PLEASE don't call it a 3rd rail!) that can clip onto any straight track section. The later truck has a slot in each side like the early design, but the slot on the pick-up side is more of a rectangular hole. The contact is held in place by its shape and a coil spring. The later design above was adapted for the post-1952 knuckle coupler truck. There is a special sideframe on the pick-up side to allow the contact arm to protrude from the truck. The other sideframe has a slot (concealed on the back side which does not go completely through) to support the unseen end of the contact. The side frames with the concealed slots can also be found on steam tender trucks that feature sliding contacts. I have a couple of "cheaper" Atlantics that have the slotted trucks, but no contacts, so it seems the altered design got sprinkled into the product line in diverse places. (The same thing happened with the slotted link trucks.) BTW, the side frames of knuckle coupler freight trucks aren't die cast, but were pressure-formed from iron powder in a process Gilbert called "sintering." Usually they're called "sintered iron trucks," or at least they were by Gilbert. Does that answer make contact? :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25625	From: Bruce Papky	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Bull_Gator_1's Poultry car.

This is a great project! An excellent completed car. I'd love to have one for my rural/agricultural themed layout. To Don Thompson: any chance you could take and modify the idea as an SHS Christmas car loaded with turkeys heading to holiday dinner tables? I think it would have just as much appeal as your 2000 car with the snowman, and your 2001 car with the sleeping elf. Bruce.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25626	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Re: SHS 2003 Christmas Car

Dear Bruce, How do you cook an elf? Don PS Strange coincidence on your e-mail, right now I am working on the artwork for the 2003 Christmas car. Bruce Papky wrote: >To Don Thompson: any chance you could take and modify the idea as an >SHS Christmas car loaded with turkeys heading to holiday dinner tables? >I think it would have just as much appeal as your 2000 car with the >snowman, and your 2001 car with the sleeping elf. > >Bruce. > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25627	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Coal tray

Is anyone reproducing the larger coal tray that goes with the later 5-digit coal dump cars? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25628	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumping car

Chuck F. wrote: > > BTW, the side frames of knuckle coupler freight trucks aren't die > cast, but were pressure-formed from iron powder in a process Gilbert > called "sintering." Usually they're called "sintered iron trucks," or > at least they were by Gilbert. > The term "sintered" isn't unique to Gilbert. Sintering is a metal forming process that means you start with the powdered metal packed into a mold, then heat it, but not quite to the melting point. My guess is that sintering is cheaper and safer than casting, but I'm not sure if it has any other advantages. Here's the definition from dictionary.com v. sin·tered, sin·ter·ing, sin·ters v. tr. To cause (metallic powder, for example) to form a coherent mass by heating without melting. v. intr. To form a coherent mass by heating without melting. Dan B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25629	From: Earl Henry	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Trying to get into chat group

Is there still a chat group on Sunday evenings. I have logged in on several Sunday evenings at 7 PM central time and no one else is logged on. Are the chat groups still going on? Or am I doing something wrong in logging in?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25630	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: Re: Trying to get into chat group

Its on now....8:00 eastern / 7: central...try this link This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Henry" <tennsgauge@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Trying to get into chat group > Is there still a chat group on Sunday evenings. I have logged in on > several Sunday evenings at 7 PM central time and no one else is > logged on. Are the chat groups still going on? Or am I doing > something wrong in logging in? > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25631	From: knockbill	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: 919 dumping car

Hi Bob The sintered frame that seems to be missing on your car can be easily replaced by drilling a hole in a spare side frame & filing it square for the contact to fit through, It is pretty easy to do, just try and line up the cotact in teh center & leave enough clearence in the frame hole for it to move up & down to make contact with the outside rail..... If you have another operating car to look at , you can see how the hole is laid out.... Hope this helps John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25632	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/4/2003
Subject: First Flyer Fest Report

Well, just got home from Flyer Fest West #4. WHAT A GREAT MEET! Yeah, I know, I'm prejudiced, but golly, met Paul & Susan, Tom R., Ed (FYRFTR) & his wife, for the first time and also Steve n Sam down from Boise, and some other list members (too tired right now to try and remember them all). Had a great day talkin' trains, tradin' trains, eating, more talkin', more eating! Wow, photos to come. Now back to everyday work. RATS! S' David D. PS Paul's door prize number was 164--how's that for co-incidence?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25633	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: RR house boats

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 25634	From: aglorince	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: american models s scale kits overstock sale

I have about 40 american models s Scale freight car kits for sale. all kits complete and scale only. boxs are damaged. asking prices are about 80% of list. i pay shipping within usa. my over stock reduction sale on magazines is continuing. 3/16 "s"cale modeling 5-90 thru 7-92 ctc board 3-88 thru 12-2001 mainline modeler 4-90 thru 12-2001 railmodel journal 12-90 thru 12-2001 s gaugean 5-88 thru 9-2001 sn3 modeler winter 87 thru winter 2000 s/sn3 modeling guide 4-95 thru 3-99 not all issues in above ranges are available. prices will be about 80% of cover. contact me direct for complete lists and prices for cars or magazines. andy lorince earth tekumel transfer service alorince@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25635	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: First Flyer Fest Report

DD: that is great. Sorry I missed it. When you get the time, could you compose and post a long and thoughtful piece about organizing this type of meet? It is very tempting. I am considering organizing something like that and I am sure others are too. Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25636	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

What do you think are Gilberts greatest 'puff and chuff' locomotives? Which produces the most smoke??? My 302 really dirty's the air but the 290 is quite mild. The 324 barely gives a wisp. One would think the 4-6-4 would puff more than a 4-4-2 but it does not '''''''''''''''''''''Should they 'puff and chuff' more?!?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25637	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

I have a 302 that is a great smoker and chuffer, a 303 that is also great, a 282 that is very good, and my 336 fills the room so much that I worry about the damn smoke detector going off. On the other hand I have another 302 that just puts out a wiff of smoke now and then. I think both functions may be a factor of how much wear the chuff unit has, the less the better. At 01:56 PM 5/5/03 +0000, you wrote: >What do you think are Gilberts greatest 'puff and chuff' locomotives? >Which produces the most smoke??? >My 302 really dirty's the air but the 290 is quite mild. The 324 >barely gives a wisp. One would think the 4-6-4 would puff more than a >4-4-2 but it does not >'''''''''''''''''''''Should they 'puff and chuff' more?!? > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ======================================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25638	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: SMOKE

I think it is less the engine and more the nichrome wire resistance that is installed...though my 332 really puts out the smoke. Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25639	From: knockbill	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: puffers/smoke

Hi I think the smoke units (cylinder type) being mostly the same, the output depends on the condition of the unit, the resistence of the coil & the voltage it is recieving..... It really doesn't matter if it is installed in a Atlantic, Pacific or Hudson, as the gears are the same size.... In getting the most smoke-chuff out of a unit, the main thing is clearing out the air holes, having a clean wick, & good coonections to the coil... If the cylinder or piston are out of round, that will not allow enough air thru the unit, or in extreme cases, bind up the motor due to excess friction.... This all is true for SIT units with bellows, if the unit is in good condition, the loco it is in will smoke & chuff better.... There is a lot of good info on repairing & tuning smoke units in the archives, & members links... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25640	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: puffers/smoke

The smoke unit on the Casey Jones 21168 Southern is different from the others and seems to be the best smoker of them all. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25641	From: Bradley	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: puffers/smoke (21168)

I tend to agree that the 21168 is one of the best smoking and puffing of the AF locomotives. I have one for my All Aboard layout that fogs up the whole room. Seems to puff it out higher than the older engines too. With all the new high output smoke units and digital sound my favorite is still the old AF Smoke and Choo Choo.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25642	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: RS-3

- GreetingS - Beg pardon, this question is for Diesel designers, not societal designers. The American Models RS-3 is a good-looking Diesel road-switcher, even if I have not painted mine yet. I am at least the second owner of this speci- man and I live in Southern Railway land. The model is early production, I suspect, as the couplers are dummy and there is only a headlite in the short hood. Since I live in N. C., I run the loco long hood forward. In the last week I have begun to use it as a passenger loco with the consist of 960, 961, 962, & 963 and short hood forward. It runs 5 to 25 feet and commences to moan, groan, and slow down. Long hood forward (proper mode) is great. "No pain, no strain, it's <RS-3> baby." My suspicion is a loose idler in one of the tower gearboxes. Your thoughts on this matter are most welcome. As I get a few feet of running w/o growl and groan, one solution is too limit back up moves and stay with long hood forward. The other is to make suitable bearing for some plain axle wheelsets and operate it with only one truck working, then the other. Again, your thoughts on this matter are welcome. Thanks and cheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25643	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Trying to get into chat group

Hi Group, I saw the messages about trying to get into the chat room last night, as I have seen others complaint about it not working and I saw Bob's message about it with the link to it. So, I decided to check it out, and it was very easy. Got register and I was in! I even got a welcome from two of the regulars!! O:)! So maybe I will check it out more often and hope I don't stir up anything! Just teasing. Anyway, my question to anyone, is, when the messages are still posted on the chat, is there a way to look at all of them? Thanks, and I have been having a blast the last few weeks going over my baseball cards from about 1961 to 1966 that I held on to, just the AF! Unbelievable, wont pay off the mortgage, but a nice collection to be added to the train insurance policy. Great memories and names of the past, when it was a different era and game and A.C. Gilbert was still in business. And to think these things went 5 for a nickel! Even the "common" cards have a few bucks in value, as some of you were talking about multipliers of money from the 1950's a few weeks ago. Go Nats! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25644	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

In a message dated 05/05/2003 7:56:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, traindoctor2003@... writes: > What do you think are Gilberts greatest 'puff and chuff' locomotives? > Which produces the most smoke??? > My 302 really dirty's the air but the 290 is quite mild. The 324 > barely gives a wisp. One would think the 4-6-4 would puff more than a > 4-4-2 but it does not > '''''''''''''''''''''Should they 'puff and chuff' more?!? > There is a little bit of "electrical physics" involved in smokin' locos. 1. The more current you can get to the smoke unit the hotter it will get and the more smoke it will produce. 2. The current available to the smoke unit is shared with the locos motor. 3. The heavier the loco the more current it takes to move. 4. The more current the motor takes, the less there is left for the smoke unit. 2. The lighter plastic locos will smoke better under most circumstances if the parameters are all the same. Simple enough.... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25645	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

If what you say is correct, and I have no doubt that it is, that means that the motor in my 336 must be very efficient, as it smokes the whole room up very quickly, and it is easily the heaviest steamer AF made. At 06:48 PM 5/5/03 -0400, boss31 wrote: > There is a little bit of "electrical physics" involved in smokin' locos. > >1. The more current you can get to the smoke unit the hotter it will get > and the more smoke it will produce. >2. The current available to the smoke unit is shared with the locos > motor. >3. The heavier the loco the more current it takes to move. >4. The more current the motor takes, the less there is left for the smoke > unit. >2. The lighter plastic locos will smoke better under most > circumstances if the parameters are all the same. > >Simple enough.... > >Steve _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ======================================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25646	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest West IV

Sam and I just got home from Galt Calif. Flyer fest west. We had a good time and got to meet several people that make regular appearances on this list. We took three of our can motor conversions for Gilbert diesels with us as well as videos and steamer motors for sale. The Baldwin "do it yourself conversion kit" was well taken by everyone. That little baby will be available very soon. It was held in a great, easily accessible location. The hall was very nice and comfortable. The Sacramento Valley club is to be congratulated for a job well done. One of the high points for us was that for the first time we didn't end up in the red. The last two hours of the show really kept us hopping. I won't make any particular comments to the "Drag Races" but they were fun. Rumor has it that a doctored up Gilbert Alco did well. Too well? Don't know! Was nice putting faces to some of the names we have been talking to for quite a while. Thanks, everybody. We had a GREAT time. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25647	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumoing car - pick-up

Chuck, Your response describing the styles of pick-up designs for the 919 CB&Q dump car may have a flaw to it. The first pick-up you describe is the "foot" between the wheels on the truck that operate from a special section of track. These would have been used on the early (1946) action cars such as the 716 AF Hopper car. The 719 & 919 would have used the pick-up arm out the side hole of the truck to contact the (hee-hee) THIRD RAIL! Just kidding, the activating "rail". (can't think of the right name or number for it.) So your second description would be correct for this vintage of car. I hadn't heard of the first type of pick-up until I ran into a piece of the track at our last fall S-fest here in St. Louis. Well, now I have it, and more, and a couple hopper cars. I'll tell ya', it's a disease! Take care, Bill Trefts Fall S-Fest - St. Louis, MO - Oct. 31, Nov. 1,2 - 2003 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25648	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: BASIC stamps

Well, I talked one of my local Radio Shacks out of a catalog, and among the new goodies in it is something that strikes me as having potential for toy train use. it's a BASIC Stamp, a tiny inexpensive computer. Here's what the catalog says: BASIC Stamps are small, easy-to-use computers that run BASIC programs. They have eight or sixteen I/O (input/output) lines, which you can connect directly to switches, LED's , speakers, potentiometers, and other TTL-level devices. With a few extra components, you can connect the I/O lines to non-TTL devices such as solenoids, relays, and RS-232 networks. Simple language and interfacing make BASIC stamps ideal for many applications. BASIC Stamps are programmed in PBASIC, a language with familiar BASIC instructions plus special instructions for input/output. To program BASIC Stamps, just connect them to an IBM-compatible PC and run the software available in the starter kits . I am not sure what all these terms mean, but it seems to me that this would be a handy device for controlling signal systems, animated accessories, and preprogrammed operating sequences. Does anyone have any experience with or insights about them? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25649	From: Edward G.	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Flyer Fest....

Flyer Fest was worth being there for ..lots of NOTHING BUT "S"..What a Change....Had good time doing the Open Houses ...(Including the O) weather was good too ...Sort of like Canadian weather...lolol The only personal drawback was the Drive home...Left at 1 o'clock Sunday got into my door at 7;20 AM...Monday morn ..thats 18hrs and 20 mins straight for anyone keeping score ...But would do it again .. (But maybe without towing the RV..)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25650	From: John G	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

=> What do you think are Gilberts greatest 'puff and chuff' locomotives? Which produces the most smoke??? The big smokers in my small fleet are the ones with 5 wires between the tender & engine. Gilbert added the 5th wire to give full track voltage to the nichrome wire. In locomotives with 4 wires, the nichrome heater is operating in parallel with the armature and receives only about 1/2 to 2/3 track voltage. I added a 5th wire to one of my lethargic steamers and it greatly increased the smoke output. Our house cats that wander through the train layout (we think of them as live action accessories), prefer locomotives with less smoke. John G --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "traindoctor2003" <traindoctor2003@y...> wrote: > What do you think are Gilberts greatest 'puff and chuff' locomotives? > Which produces the most smoke??? > My 302 really dirty's the air but the 290 is quite mild. The 324 > barely gives a wisp. One would think the 4-6-4 would puff more than a > 4-4-2 but it does not > '''''''''''''''''''''Should they 'puff and chuff' more?!?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25651	From: joe messinger	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Need Help!

I've been trying to install a Dalee electronic reversing unit on a friend's Lionel/Flyer dual motor diesel and am having difficulty getting the wiring figured out. I know that the field windings on the motors have dual windings(red&green). I assume one set of windings are for forward operation and the other set is for reverse. I've been able to get the motors to run forward but not in reverse. If anyone has experience with the installation of electronic reverse units in this type engine, I would appreciate any any advice you might offer. Thanks, Joe Messinger _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25652	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

My BEST smoker and chuffer is my first AF steamer a 302 Atlantic, which I got in 1966(I was 6!). I have done nothing to the smoke unit, except add smoke fluid. It will fill my small train room in 5mins with smoke! Second best is a K335 Challenger, which is one of my "new" additions........Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <traindoctor2003@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greatest Puffers and Chuffers > In a message dated 05/05/2003 7:56:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > traindoctor2003@... writes: > > > What do you think are Gilberts greatest 'puff and chuff' locomotives? > > Which produces the most smoke??? > > My 302 really dirty's the air but the 290 is quite mild. The 324 > > barely gives a wisp. One would think the 4-6-4 would puff more than a > > 4-4-2 but it does not > > '''''''''''''''''''''Should they 'puff and chuff' more?!? > > > > > There is a little bit of "electrical physics" involved in smokin' locos. > > 1. The more current you can get to the smoke unit the hotter it will get > and the more smoke it will produce. > 2. The current available to the smoke unit is shared with the locos > motor. > 3. The heavier the loco the more current it takes to move. > 4. The more current the motor takes, the less there is left for the smoke > unit. > 2. The lighter plastic locos will smoke better under most > circumstances if the parameters are all the same. > > Simple enough.... > > Steve > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25653	From: keith kuzma	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

My best smoker is a 283,second best a 355 pulling more than 3 cars.Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25654	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

***(((My best smoker is a 283,....second best a 355 pulling more than 3 cars.))))**** Ya had me for a second there Keith,...I thought, "Wait a minute, the 355 isn't a... ....oh yeah, NOW I get it!!" Good one!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25655	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumping car

Dan B. wrote: >The term "sintered" isn't unique to Gilbert. True, and I didn't mean to imply that it was. I was contrasting Gilbert's term for the truck with the misnomers sometimes attached to it. >My guess is that sintering is cheaper and safer than casting, but >I'm not sure if it has any other advantages. One advantage might be that iron is harder than a softer castable metal with a relatively low melting temperature, like zinc. Also, the porous formation will retain oil. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25656	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/5/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

In a message dated 05/05/2003 11:37:33 PM Mountain Daylight Time, keefer1_us@... writes: > My best smoker is a 283,second best a 355 pulling > more than 3 cars.Keith > We now have a Can Motor cure for that Keith.......Check with some of the folks that attended Flyer fest west.... Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25657	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumoing car - pick-up

Bill Trefts wrote; >Chuck, Your response describing the styles of pick-up designs for >the 919 CB&Q dump car may have a flaw to it. WHAT?!? Impossible! ;^) >The first pick-up you describe is the "foot" between the wheels on >the truck that operate from a special section of track. Didn't I say that, essentially? >These would have been used on the early (1946) action cars such as >the 716 AF Hopper car. You are correct. I have three copies of the 716, all w/shoe. >The 719 & 919 would have used the pick-up arm out the side hole of >the truck Yes, but actually, though the 919 was mentioned, the question wasn't about the car, but about truck pick-up configurations in general. It wasn't stated that the 719 ever came with the 4-rail pick up shoe. Didn't mean to imply such. Sorry. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25658	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - More

The following $30 items are new in the box and include shipping in the contiguous 48: SHS 00151 MKT stock car #47372 SHS 00145 PRR SS XM MOW #499212 SHS 00128 XM Frisco #129171 CROWN SR 7002 #499 West India Fruit I also have 4 Flyonel #6-12810 American Flyer tractor trailors new in the box for $20 each including shipping in the contiguous 48. First come , etc.......... ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25659	From: Tim	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

Excellent! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: keith kuzma To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greatest Puffers and Chuffers My best smoker is a 283,second best a 355 pulling more than 3 cars.Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25660	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Puffers

My 332 DC is an original, first purchased by my father, and still is the best puff and chuff, filling the train room with smoke and scent. The new AM steam engines are pretty good also. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25661	From: knockbill	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: puffers

I have a hand car that rivals the 355, .... it wasn't lantern smoke!!!! John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25662	From: rogersteel	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Bridges / Trestles

Looking for any suggestions as to manufactures of large double track S bridges and trestles for Hi-Rail layout. At York I purchased an Atlas O double track trestle with the idea of modifying it(cutting down for S). The trestle is an absolute beauty but appears to be quite a project. Any Ideas of S products would be appreciated. Thanks Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25663	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: BASIC Stamp

Tom, you might take a look at http://www.geocities.com/donbuczynski/DnB_rr/DnB_Frame.html This certainly opens a lot of doors and this thing's been around long enough that there seem to be lots of applications for a variety of functions out there on the web. Regards - Jim Armstrong >Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 22:14:40 -0400 > From: jarcho@... >Subject: BASIC stamps > >Well, I talked one of my local Radio Shacks out of a catalog, and among the >new goodies in it is something that strikes me as having potential for toy >train use. > >it's a BASIC Stamp, a tiny inexpensive computer. Here's what the catalog says: > >BASIC Stamps are small, easy-to-use computers that run BASIC programs. >They have eight or sixteen I/O (input/output) lines, which you can connect >directly to switches, LED's , speakers, potentiometers, and other TTL-level >devices. With a few extra components, you can connect the I/O lines to >non-TTL devices such as solenoids, relays, and RS-232 networks. Simple >language and interfacing make BASIC stamps ideal for many applications. >BASIC Stamps are programmed in PBASIC, a language with familiar BASIC >instructions plus special instructions for input/output. To program BASIC >Stamps, just connect them to an IBM-compatible PC and run the software >available in the starter kits . > >I am not sure what all these terms mean, but it seems to me that this would >be a handy device for controlling signal systems, animated accessories, and >preprogrammed operating sequences. > >Does anyone have any experience with or insights about them? > >Tom Jarcho > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25664	From: joecraig60514	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: I do not get posts

I am set for daily digests but didn't recv any for quite a while????

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25665	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: Bridges / Trestles

Try the Plastruct company. They have kits in HO & O you can modify and lots of structure parts to assist. Paul S. <A HREF="http://www.plastruct.com/">Click here: Plastruct, Inc. - Home</A> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25666	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

In a message dated 5/5/03 9:56:54 AM, traindoctor2003@... writes: << What do you think are Gilberts greatest 'puff and chuff' locomotives? Which produces the most smoke??? >> I've always been partial to 1946-47 smoke-in-tender engines fitted with the piston style unit rather than the bellows unit -- plenty of smoke and more than one chuff per revolution as an added bonus. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25667	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Re: First Flyer Fest Report

In a message dated 5/5/03 2:50:36 AM, djdewey@... writes: << Well, just got home from Flyer Fest West #4. WHAT A GREAT MEET! >> I have just returned to Michigan after attending Flyer Fest West #4. Don Rosa and his team of co-organizers of the Sacramento Valley American Flyer Club are to be congratulated! It was a super meet, with very good folks, good food and lots of S gauge. The clinics (Dave Dewey -- repairs; Sue Rosa -- "other" Gilbertianna such as appliances; and Jack Harner -- wiring complex block and trip arrangements with 2-rail track) were all very well-done and worthwhile. Many door and raffle prizes were donated by thoughtful manufacturers. A nifty "FFW" water tower with a convertible sign feature on the tank was an added goodie for those who purchased one. The civic building in Galt, CA was a good venue and met the needs of the meet well. Although FFW#4 was a meet of "moderate" size, there was an interesting selection of Gilbert and Lionel Flyer offered for sale. I picked up a very unusual piece for my own collection, too, showing that it still pays to "do the rounds" at meets such as this (ebay ain't everything, Flyer fans!). The tours the next day were also very much worth the effort. Three stops included: (1) Barry and Pat Menges' layout and extensive Flyer collection; (2) the Rosas' Flyer and Gilbert Erector, game, and appliance collection; and (3) Jack Harner's 0 gauge layout which was featured in CTT and is a treat to watch in operation. Superb hospitality was shown at each stop with plenty of friendship, smiles, and lot's and lot's of food. With the food offered on the tours, the meet Barbecue and coffee cake, and a superabundance of pretzels, there was no danger of anyone going hungry! As Dave said, Great meet! Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25668	From: waldootten	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Smokin' Baldwins

I have four and all of them smoke when overloaded or bench tested at full power (17v). What causes them to smoke, where does it come from and is this doing any damage other than possibly melting the shell? Phil K PS -- My best smoker is the 293 on which I just rebuilt the smoke unit. Fills the room! I also think the best "stack push" is on my 332ACs, K335s and 336s.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25669	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/6/2003
Subject: Baldwin Can motors

Steve B. mentioned the can motor conversion for the Baldwins. It does purr, ran most of the day with no heating at the Fest. Only problem we noted, was the loco needs more weight! His version was one originally without reverse, and they added an electronic reverse unit to it. Also ran at realistic switch engine speed. Gads, sounds almost like an endorsement--and I can make my 355 run with original motor--with a tricky addition to make it operate properly and more slowly than straight ACG, although it still gets pretty warm, so 1/2 hour is the max I've run it. The conversion SnS has is reversible, if you ever want to put the ACG motor back in, so. . . . . Gotta run, work calls, have fun w/ your trains! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25670	From: trainspeak	Date: 5/7/2003
Subject: American Flyer collection

Hi! I will be helping a gentleman unload his Flyer collection of approx. 50 items after Thursday the 15th of May. Some items include: 954 789 21927 24856 24863 24866 24859 21918/1 21139 24016 21920/1 283 boxed set and about 40 other items. To be notified of when this collection is posted to my website, please visit: http://nick.jeraldo.com:8080/db.asp Thanks everyone! www.NicksTrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25671	From: jayhoo64	Date: 5/7/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

I once got a plastic AF turnout to smoke pretty well. Does that count? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25672	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/8/2003
Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers

In my younger days I used to build my own computers. (No one else wrote software for them and I was the warranty. That's I buy them now.) One of the biggest problems I had for years was making sure that I didn't let the smoke out of the chips. You didn't know they package smoke inside those computer chips? Let me tell you: if you let the smoke out, it doesn't work any more. I've never seen a smoking gun but I've seen smoking chips! Thorin Message: 2 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 04:05:12 -0000 From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> Subject: Re: Greatest Puffers and Chuffers I once got a plastic AF turnout to smoke pretty well. Does that count? Chuck F. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25673	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 5/8/2003
Subject: 9 new S gauge layout plans w/ 3d drawings

Just posted a total of nine new S gauge plans for a 4' by 8' area, using Flyer compatible track. Each track plan is accompanied by item list and 3D renderings of how the finished pike may look. Just scroll down to the S gauge section at http;//www.thortrains.net Recuprating as I am, I can still whip up some nice track plans. BTW - some folks had wanted custom plans. Unfortunately, all I can do at the moment is render plans that had already been in the works before the incident.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25674	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/8/2003
Subject: greatest puffers and chuffers

I think the greatest puffer and chuffer was ol' A.C.Gilbert himself. I mean, look at how he got most of us hopelessly addicted to a bunch of toy trains! If that isn't blowing smoke... Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25675	From: Tim	Date: 5/8/2003
Subject: Cleaning Flyer

A while back, there were some posts about cleaning vintage Flyer locos and rolling stock to get them looking nice. Has anyone on the list had any experience with using an ultra-sonic device to clean shells. I've heard those things can remove dirt that can't be removed any other way without hurting the paint finish. Of course, the shell would have to be removed before immersing it if there were any electrical parts on the piece. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25676	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/8/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning Flyer

***(((Has anyone on the list had any experience with using an ultra-sonic device to clean shells. I've heard those things can remove dirt that can't be removed any other way without hurting the paint finish.))*** I use my small ultra-sonic on my trains (and dirty Hot Wheels!)...it is a little too small to get the whole shell in,.... even dunkin' both ends doesn't get to the middle of the shell!! Works great on the trucks, couplers. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25677	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: 355 with Tufoil

The posts about the 355 caught me a bit off guard. Then I realized.....it was about a Baldwin smoking! Perhaps I can offer this.......... I lubed my 355 with late 80's 'tufoil'. This 355 runs great pulling a ten car freight and does not overheat while pulling four gondolas with full 'oak branch tree loads' , three old red reefers, a 634 car fore and aft and a 630 caboose (does the caboose count as a car? ). This 355 runs for over an hour pulling this load with no overheating. One other improvement was made to this 355................its stator was freshly wound with 24 ga. magnet wire. Darn it runs great!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25678	From: fnmichong	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: Cleaning Flyer

I tried cleaning a painted hopper car in an ultra-sonic cleaner. The ultra-sonic vibrated the dirt that was in the corners and took off the paint. The effect was equivalent to sand blasting under water. Fay Chong --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > A while back, there were some posts about cleaning vintage Flyer locos and rolling stock to get them looking nice. Has anyone on the list had any experience with using an ultra-sonic device to clean shells. I've heard those things can remove dirt that can't be removed any other way without hurting the paint finish. Of course, the shell would have to be removed before immersing it if there were any electrical parts on the piece. > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25679	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumping car

I do not think they are heated in the molds. They are formed in the mold and then removed and heated. They have some kind of glue that holds them together until heating. Thank you Larry Jackman On Sunday, May 4, 2003, at 07:37 PM, Dan Brindell wrote: > Chuck F. wrote: >> >> BTW, the side frames of knuckle coupler freight trucks aren't die >> cast, but were pressure-formed from iron powder in a process Gilbert >> called "sintering." Usually they're called "sintered iron trucks," or >> at least they were by Gilbert. >> > The term "sintered" isn't unique to Gilbert. Sintering is a metal > forming > process that means you start with the powdered metal packed into a > mold, > then heat it, but not quite to the melting point. My guess is that > sintering is cheaper and safer than casting, but I'm not sure if it > has any > other advantages. Here's the definition from dictionary.com > > v. sin·tered, sin·ter·ing, sin·ters > v. tr. To cause (metallic powder, for example) to form a coherent mass > by > heating without melting. > v. intr. To form a coherent mass by heating without melting. > > Dan B. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25680	From: IronHorse	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: Bridges / Trestles

You can see a picture of a large double curved trestle at, HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa That trestle is all wood. The rails are AF Gilbert. The original ties were removed and replaced with scale wood ties. The layout has since been torn down except for the trestle. I might consider selling it for the right price. This I would have to think about as it would be hard to part with. AF rails will plug right into either end. Roger Hinds To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25681	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West IV

Please tell us about this item. Thank you Larry Jackman On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 07:10 PM, boss31@... wrote: > > The Baldwin "do it yourself conversion kit" was well taken by > everyone. That > little baby will be available very soon. > . > > Steve & Sam > > S-'n-S Trains > Boise, Idaho > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25682	From: John Harvey	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: storage boxes

A few? years ago I remember seeing ads for stout cardboard boxes with compartments to store and transport your AF trains. Does anyone know if this company is still in business or does anyone know of a similar product. What I need are single layer heavy cardboard boxes with a lid and dividers for freight cars, passenger cars and engines. Any ideas? cost? Kind Regards, John Harvey brigadie@... *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. *************************************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25683	From: trzp1800	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: storage boxes

Hi: A friend of mine uses "Plano" plastic storage boxes. In one size or another they can fit about everything ACG makes. About $3-$4 each.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25684	From: jaytewilli	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: 919 dumping car

As a metallurgist, I can tell you how the sintered sideframes were more than likely made. Powdered metal is indeed put into a die that is in the shape of the sideframe. Then that powdered metal that is in the die is compacted in a press under several tons of pressure. What you get is what we call a briquette that is in the shape of the sideframe. At this stage of the process, if you were to drop this briquette, it would shatter completely. The next step in the process is to put the briquette into a sintering furnace at around 2000 degrees F (give or take)under a protective atmosphere. What happens is that the powdered metal particles begin to coalesce and form a "solid" piece. There usually is a long cooling section the part goes through after it leaves the furnace. Hope this answers your questions on how these sideframes were more than likely made. -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ljack70117@a... wrote: > I do not think they are heated in the molds. They are formed in the > mold and then removed and heated. They have some kind of glue that > holds them together until heating. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > > > On Sunday, May 4, 2003, at 07:37 PM, Dan Brindell wrote: > > > Chuck F. wrote: > >> > >> BTW, the side frames of knuckle coupler freight trucks aren't die > >> cast, but were pressure-formed from iron powder in a process Gilbert > >> called "sintering." Usually they're called "sintered iron trucks," or > >> at least they were by Gilbert. > >> > > The term "sintered" isn't unique to Gilbert. Sintering is a metal > > forming > > process that means you start with the powdered metal packed into a > > mold, > > then heat it, but not quite to the melting point. My guess is that > > sintering is cheaper and safer than casting, but I'm not sure if it > > has any > > other advantages. Here's the definition from dictionary.com > > > > v. sin·tered, sin·ter·ing, sin·ters > > v. tr. To cause (metallic powder, for example) to form a coherent mass > > by > > heating without melting. > > v. intr. To form a coherent mass by heating without melting. > > > > Dan B. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25685	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: NASG convention

Hi All, I reserved my rooms today for the NASG convention. Luckily, Dan's wife is coming to keep Donna company. I have had the plane tickets and registration for a few weeks now. But the BIG question is, where is the convention going to be next year? Anyone? Anyone? Look at he calendar! It's only about 14 months away. I went to convention meetings for almost 3 years before the 1993 joint convention in Valley Forge. Perhaps a few kind individuals in Florida could band together and put on the Shindig! It'll give me a reason to finally stop by and see Mickey. I survived Las Vegas in July. How much different could it be? (:->) Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25686	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/9/2003
Subject: Re: NASG convention

In July....Hot as ****....Long lines, Heat, High prices, etc....Best time to see Mickey and all the other parks is Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb,Mar...Cool..No waiting in lines...Really nice...Went to Universal last year 6 Times...went thru a whole park in 5 hours....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] NASG convention > Hi All, > > I reserved my rooms today for the NASG convention. Luckily, Dan's wife is > coming to keep Donna company. I have had the plane tickets and registration > for a few weeks now. > > But the BIG question is, where is the convention going to be next year? > Anyone? Anyone? Look at he calendar! It's only about 14 months away. I went > to convention meetings for almost 3 years before the 1993 joint convention > in Valley Forge. > > Perhaps a few kind individuals in Florida could band together and put on the > Shindig! It'll give me a reason to finally stop by and see Mickey. I > survived Las Vegas in July. How much different could it be? (:->) > > Bill > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25687	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/10/2003
Subject: Re: NASG convention

Must have been at a Holiday...or school out...I went once to Epcot in mid Dec....I was standing in the Main Attraction Area...Couldn't count 100 people....Rode each ride three times...without leaving my seat...I think the longest line I have encountered at Seaworld, Univ ( both ), WDW was 10 min...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Cc: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S Scale List" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "Bill Lane" <billlane@...> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NASG convention > You got to be kidding about lines. We went in Feb. A two hour wait at > every thing. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > > > On Friday, May 9, 2003, at 10:51 PM, robert allen conner wrote: > > > In July....Hot as ****....Long lines, Heat, High prices, etc....Best > > time to > > see Mickey and all the other parks is Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, > > Feb,Mar...Cool..No > > waiting in lines...Really nice...Went to Universal last year 6 > > Times...went > > thru a whole park in 5 hours....Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...> > > To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S Scale List" > > <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:02 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] NASG convention > > > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I reserved my rooms today for the NASG convention. Luckily, Dan's > >> wife is > >> coming to keep Donna company. I have had the plane tickets and > > registration > >> for a few weeks now. > >> > >> But the BIG question is, where is the convention going to be next > >> year? > >> Anyone? Anyone? Look at he calendar! It's only about 14 months away. I > > went > >> to convention meetings for almost 3 years before the 1993 joint > >> convention > >> in Valley Forge. > >> > >> Perhaps a few kind individuals in Florida could band together and put > >> on > > the > >> Shindig! It'll give me a reason to finally stop by and see Mickey. I > >> survived Las Vegas in July. How much different could it be? (:->) > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >> > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >> > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25688	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/10/2003
Subject: Re: NASG CONVENTIONS

Tentitavely the 2004 convention is shaping up in Seattle, Washington (allitle cooler). 2005 may be in Altoona, PA 2006 may be in Philadelphia to tap into the NMRA Train Show and activities. Glenn Almost former secretary Message: 8 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 22:02:40 -0400 From: Bill Lane <billlane@...> Subject: NASG convention Hi All, I reserved my rooms today for the NASG convention. Luckily, Dan's wife is coming to keep Donna company. I have had the plane tickets and registration for a few weeks now. But the BIG question is, where is the convention going to be next year? Anyone? Anyone? Look at he calendar! It's only about 14 months away. I went to convention meetings for almost 3 years before the 1993 joint convention in Valley Forge. Perhaps a few kind individuals in Florida could band together and put on the Shindig! It'll give me a reason to finally stop by and see Mickey. I survived Las Vegas in July. How much different could it be? (:->) Bill ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 22:51:41 -0400 From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: NASG convention In July....Hot as ****....Long lines, Heat, High prices, etc....Best time to see Mickey and all the other parks is Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb,Mar...Cool..No waiting in lines...Really nice...Went to Universal last year 6 Times...went thru a whole park in 5 hours....Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25689	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention

Hi Bill Seattle is in the works. John At 10:02 PM 5/9/2003 -0400, Bill Lane wrote: >Hi All, > >I reserved my rooms today for the NASG convention. Luckily, Dan's wife is >coming to keep Donna company. I have had the plane tickets and registration >for a few weeks now. > >But the BIG question is, where is the convention going to be next year? >Anyone? Anyone? Look at he calendar! It's only about 14 months away. I went >to convention meetings for almost 3 years before the 1993 joint convention >in Valley Forge. > >Perhaps a few kind individuals in Florida could band together and put on the >Shindig! It'll give me a reason to finally stop by and see Mickey. I >survived Las Vegas in July. How much different could it be? (:->) > >Bill > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25690	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention

on 5/9/03 7:02 PM, Bill Lane at billlane@... wrote: > But the BIG question is, where is the convention going to be next year? There is a proposal being finalized for the 2004 NASG Convention to be located in Tacoma, WA (just south of Seattle). However, the proposal has not been submitted to the NASG Convention Committee at this time for approval by the NASG BOT. The proposal should be received in time for the BOT to vote prior to this year's NASG Convention. >I went to convention meetings for almost 3 years before the 1993 joint convention. Very true that it takes at lot of advanced planning to host a convention, and a lot of that is before a proposal is presented to NASG. As I recall, the NASG BOT approved the 1993 NASG Convention a little more than one year before it was held. The host working on having the 2004 NASG Convention in the Tacoma/Seattle area has been working on it for about two years already. Hope this clarifies the situation. Lee Johnson NASG Convention Committee Chair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25691	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/10/2003
Subject: S-list member count....

It appears we now have 790 members.....maybe we can break 800 soon!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25692	From: Tim	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Ultra-sonics

Thanks to all who participated in the ultra-sonics cleaning thread, both on and off list. I think the conclusion is that it shouldn't be used on something too good to risk damage. The reason being that sometimes the dirt can be so bonded to the paint, that when the dirt lifts off it can take the paint with it. Thanks, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25693	From: mlmarmer	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Bidding for Trouble (TechNews.com)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37863-2003May10.html Interesting article about on-line auctions like Ebay and scams. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25694	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Back from vacation & Flyer West

Thanks to all the great folks that made my Flyer Fest west a great experience. I am completely jet lagged and have misplaced the names of the tour hosts. I have setup a photo album but have not got a chance to upload any pictures yet. If you have some pictures please let me know and I will set permissions so you can add yours to the mix. My biggest regret is we did not take a group picture of the S-Trains gang that were there. But if we put all out pictures together we can at least see some faces to put with the familiar names. I wish I had more time to talk to all the folks there, it was lots of fun. The trains were very cool too. I picked up a repaint, but you will be seeing more about that later. Right now I got to go help my folks with an ailing Air Conditioner. Another 80 degree day in Florida. Oh Yeah Yosemite and Sacramento RR museum were great too. The snow chased us out of the park a day early. PS TomR, I gave you permission to add photos. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25695	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Re: Ultra-sonics

***(((Thanks to all who participated in the ultra-sonics cleaning thread, both on and off list. I think the conclusion is that it shouldn't be used on something too good to risk damage. The reason being that sometimes the dirt can be so bonded to the paint, that when the dirt lifts off it can take the paint with it. )))*** I think it also depends on the size of the ultra-sonic unit being used,.....mine is a small unit, made for cleaning jewelry....I have not yet had a problem loosing paint,..and at times, doesn't take off the dirt as well as I would like it to! If the dirt is BONDED to the paint,...I wouldn't think there would be ANY safe way to take it off. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25696	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Re: Back from vacation & Flyer West

***(((My biggest regret is we did not take a group picture of the S-Trains gang that were there. )))*** And I was going to remind youse guys to do just that!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25697	From: TCS	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: New photos add at................

http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ Just look for the update page with the NEW icon logo next to the cars. Tom Stolte

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25698	From: stanley	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: e bay item 3130369704

Hi to everyone i was looking at the e bay auction just now and i found an item that i am not sure of, e bay number 3130369704 it's a 24636 caboose yellow with a silver roof, but it has white lettering that says american flyer lines, i find no such item in the greenberg books that i have dose anyone know about this item, it's just strange? thanks stan sobieski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25699	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: Re: e bay item 3130369704

***(((Hi to everyone i was looking at the e bay auction just now and i found an item that i am not sure of, e bay number 3130369704 it's a 24636 caboose yellow with a silver roof, but it has white lettering that says american flyer lines, i find no such item in the greenberg books that i have dose anyone know about this item, it's just strange?)))*** According to the TM Guide....it tops out at $600.00!!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25700	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 5/11/2003
Subject: 24636

>>Hi to everyone i was looking at the e bay auction just now and i found an item that i am not sure of, e bay number 3130369704 it's a 24636 caboose yellow with a silver roof, but it has white lettering that says american flyer lines, i find no such item in the greenberg books that i have dose anyone know about this item, it's just strange? thanks stan sobieski << I see a listing for yellow, don't know about the silver roof, but the yellow, (61 -66) shows as good $150, Fxc $485, in my 2002 book. So, will see what others say. jfred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25702	From: David	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: Re: e bay item 3130369704

UGH!! I missed another one. Its the last caboose I need to have all cabooses in all variations. Have not been able to find one in decent shape and at a reasonable price. Its the scarcest caboose, and is quite hard to find. Oh, and legitimate as shown. Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars and Accessories from the 60's!! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "stanley" <americanflyer@c...> wrote: > Hi to everyone i was looking at the e bay auction just now and i found an item that i am not sure of, e bay number 3130369704 it's a 24636 caboose yellow with a silver roof, but it has white lettering that says american flyer lines, i find no such item in the greenberg books that i have dose anyone know about this item, it's just strange? > thanks stan sobieski > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25703	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Folks Here is an interesting website for you Canadian National fans out there. http://www.mlwservices.ca/ A CNR K-3 pacific and boxcar details. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25704	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: ebay item 3130369704

David: could you possibly post a list of all AF cabooses and variations? That would be interesting. I don't know them all. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25705	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: Lionel American Flyer Production

Question for the Group: Does anyone know of or does there exist a listing of all Lionel produced American Flyer products which includes all "Club" cars produced for different groups or events. I am aware the Greenberg books have some of these cars listed but as I have begun to "collect" I have come across some cars not listed in the book. I am just curious what other specialty cars or items have been made. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25706	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel American Flyer Production

The "TM" book has a lot of them up to 2000...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Dumas" <actngalt@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel American Flyer Production > Question for the Group: > > Does anyone know of or does there exist a listing of all Lionel produced > American Flyer products which includes all "Club" cars produced for > different groups or events. I am aware the Greenberg books have some of > these cars listed but as I have begun to "collect" I have come across some > cars not listed in the book. I am just curious what other specialty cars or > items have been made. > > Thanks > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25707	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: I started a new Poll...

And the question is.... "My annual budget for 'S' (including trips, trains, and publications)..." Please join the fun at http://S-Scale.org You can also see the results from the last poll. The results may surprise you. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25708	From: trainman634	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: Insulating track

Would any AF Control Box work as a switch to turn off the current to a insulated track section? Do any of them have a on/off switch? Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25709	From: Bradley	Date: 5/12/2003
Subject: ebay item 3130369704

According to my Greenbergs Guide to AF Vol.1, the yellow version of the 24636 was made in 1966. My understanding of a variation like this is that during the last days at AF some of the paint masking steps were left out in order to reduce costs. (no orange stripe or painted handrails) The smokestack was also not installed. If this was truly only made in 1966 then it would have been included in an All Aboard Scenic Panel Set as those were the only sets being manufactured at that time. The 1965 and 1966 catalogs do not show the yellow caboose as available for seperate purchase but do show it as part of the eight panel and snow panel sets. My 8 panel set has a yellow 24631 as opposed to the 24636. Several months ago there was a train from a Pioneer 600 Set listed on eBay that included a yellow 24636 caboose. A picture of it is posted on my website at www.allaboardsets.com under "Little Yellow Caboose". I believe that set which consisted of a Casey Jones engine, a refrierator car, gondola, and the yellow 24636 went for around $600.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25710	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: Baldwin can motor kits

Good news for sick American Flyer Baldwins. Our machine shop has assured us that we will have the motor mounting brackets for the Baldwin in 12 days or less. It's time to get the information out. The DC "kit" will sell for  $49.95 We are going to include a Dallee reverse unit in the AC kit for a total of $79.95 (package discount). Dallee retails for $44.95 For an AC with existing reverse unit the "kit" is $54.95. All mounting hardware, wire, and a lead weight for added traction is included in the price. The lead weight will go under the Dallee. Photos may be seen on Paul Yorke's web site under albums, SnS Trains, page 2, or we can email photos to anyone interested. It was well taken at Flyer Fest West last week. The second generation ALCO/Geep installation program is now underway too.  It is a smoother and quieter installation than the first round. Regards....Steve & Sam  S-'n-S Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25711	From: David	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: Re: ebay item 3130369704

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > David: could you possibly post a list of all AF cabooses and variations? > That would be interesting. I don't know them all. > > Tom Jarcho I can try. I may have missed one or two as I'm doing this off the top of my head. (No work cars!) Here goes.... 630 RDG Unpainted Red Silver Letters Red Plastic Chassis 630 RDG Unpainted Red Silver Letters Black Plastic Chassis 630 RDG Unpainted Red White Letters Cast Chassis 630 RDG Unpainted Red White Letters Sheet Metal Chassis 630 RDG Painted Red White Letters Sheet Metal Chassis 630 AF Painted Red White Letters 630 AFL Painted Red White Letters 638 AF Unpainted Red 638 AF Painted Red 638 AFL Unpainted Red 638 AFL Painted Red 904 AFL Red Painted 930 AF Brown Painted 930 AF Red Painted 930 AFL Red Painted 930 AFL Brown Painted 930 AFL Tuscan Painted 930 AFL Brown Painted No Light (FACTORY) 930 AFL Tuscan W/806 Type Chassis with Riveted Light 935 Brown Painted Bay Window 938 AFL Red Painted 1 Coupler 938 AFL Red Painted 2 Coupler 977 AFL Tuscan Operating Brakeman W/Rubber Man 977 AFL Tuscan Operating Brakeman W/Metal Man 979 AFL Operating Brakeman Bay Window 24603 AFL Unpainted Red 24610 AFL Red Painted 24610 AFL Red Unpainted 24619 AFL Tuscan Painted Bay Window 24626 AFL Yellow/Silver Painted 24627 AFL Red Unpainted 24630 AFL Red Unpainted 24631 AFL Yellow/Silver Painted W/ Red Striping (KC) 24631 AFL Yellow/Silver Painted W/O Red Striping (PM) 24632 AFL Yellow/Silver Painted 24633 AFL Silver Painted Bay Window 24634 AFL Red Painted Bay Window W/Light & KC 24634 AFL Red Painted Bay Window W/O Light & PM 24634 AFL Red Painted Bay Window W/Light & PM 24634 AFL Red Painted Bay Window W/O Lettering W/O Light 24634 AFL Red Painted Bay Window Factory Error Mis-stamped Lettering 24636 AFL Red Unpainted Small Letters 24636 AFL Red Unpainted Large Letters 24636 AFL Red Unpainted "Radio Equipped" 24638 AFL Silver Painted Bay Window 25052 AFL Silver Painted Operating Brakeman Bay Window Game Train - Red Unpainted There may be another variation of a 630, 24634 and 24638 (a red one?) out there. If so I'll find them and add them to the collection. As far as I know I only need the Yellow/Silver 24636 with White Letters to have all of the listed major variations.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25713	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: Roof vent detail for AM/SHS 72' Passenger Cars?

Hey Folks, Does any know where I could purchase roof vent details for AM chlorestory(sp?) roof passenger cars? Most of the passenger cars I remember from the 50's did not have so many openings AND had a few vents on each side protruding out from the side of the raised portion of the chlorestory roof. Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25714	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: Custom Franklin project number two - Mercer

Well I finally finished my second custom Franklin project – The Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomac’s “Mercer”. It is named for General Hugh Mercer, a native of Fredericksburg Virginia and a trusted subordinate of General Washington during the Revolutionary war. He died in action at the battle of Princeton. I have posted some photos of it in my album on Paul Yorke’s web site here: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album65 For those interested in a few more details: It started out as a well worn and battered Franklin that was missing a few parts. It is now two-tone blue with a gunmetal boiler, black smokebox/stack, gray cab roof, tuscan tender top, vermilion wheels with white tires on the pilot truck and tender. Custom RF&P tender decal with period scroll work. Other fancywork decals are on the headlamp sides, steam and sand domes, cylinder saddles and MERCER cab name. Under the hood is an SnS slow speed can motor and rectifier. A smoke in tender unit is stuffed into the tender and feeds smoke to the balloon stack with cinder screen. There is also a solid brass whistle atop the steam dome. A “T” in the smoke hose feeds a small amount of smoke to the whistle where it exits at the whistle’s base, simulating steam. It also sports a custom made horizontal stave cowcatcher and working oil type headlamp with fancy brass mounting brackets. A real metal bell replaced the original plastic one. The tender is fully loaded with real hand cut, split firewood. Each piece is individually glued in place. There is a proud engineer running her and a hard working fireman to keep up a good head of steam. It runs very well and will crawl along at a snail’s pace at O mph on my 30B transformer. The SIT unit has a really nice chugging sound that adds to the effect. It was a lot of work to build, but a lot of fun too. It compliments my original custom Franky quite well. Steve Blancard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25715	From: Tim	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: Re: Custom Franklin project number two - Mercer

You OWN Frankies! I'd like to see you chop a couple into a 4-8-0! Bravo! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Blancard To: S- Trains list ; Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Yahoo group Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Custom Franklin project number two - Mercer Well I finally finished my second custom Franklin project - The Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomac's "Mercer". It is named for General Hugh Mercer, a native of Fredericksburg Virginia and a trusted subordinate of General Washington during the Revolutionary war. He died in action at the battle of Princeton. I have posted some photos of it in my album on Paul Yorke's web site here: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album65 For those interested in a few more details: It started out as a well worn and battered Franklin that was missing a few parts. It is now two-tone blue with a gunmetal boiler, black smokebox/stack, gray cab roof, tuscan tender top, vermilion wheels with white tires on the pilot truck and tender. Custom RF&P tender decal with period scroll work. Other fancywork decals are on the headlamp sides, steam and sand domes, cylinder saddles and MERCER cab name. Under the hood is an SnS slow speed can motor and rectifier. A smoke in tender unit is stuffed into the tender and feeds smoke to the balloon stack with cinder screen. There is also a solid brass whistle atop the steam dome. A "T" in the smoke hose feeds a small amount of smoke to the whistle where it exits at the whistle's base, simulating steam. It also sports a custom made horizontal stave cowcatcher and working oil type headlamp with fancy brass mounting brackets. A real metal bell replaced the original plastic one. The tender is fully loaded with real hand cut, split firewood. Each piece is individually glued in place. There is a proud engineer running her and a hard working fireman to keep up a good head of steam. It runs very well and will crawl along at a snail's pace at O mph on my 30B transformer. The SIT unit has a really nice chugging sound that adds to the effect. It was a lot of work to build, but a lot of fun too. It compliments my original custom Franky quite well. Steve Blancard S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25716	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 5/13/2003
Subject: 25046

Hi all, I am trying to fix a rocket car that not operational. I am looking for information as to how it operates and what should be insulated. This car has two metal wheels on the same side as the activator on the other truck. There is also one metal wheel on the opposite side of the actuator truck. Is this normal? How can I troubleshoot this animal? Thanks alot Alex (innotron)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25717	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: center bam flats

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/rolling15.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25718	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: AF Calendar

There are verious RR calendar's out there, but has anyone considered putting out one for AF? Maybe it is something our friends over at TM might take up - they must have miles of great AF pictures on film. It is a bit better idea to hang up a calendar at work that bring the good trains in there. Should we have a poll of how many on the list would purchase such...??? Paul??? Just a thought Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25719	From: eddiee456	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar

I'd buy one!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25720	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar

Michael, et al, Naturally I love the idea of an American Flyer Calendar! And the same notion has crossed my mind, however: Have had a little experience with producing calendars. It is a rough business to profit from, because to do one of any quality requires either (a) ordering a large quantity of calendars using overseas printing and keeping the unit price down or (b) ordering a small quantity using domestic printing which makes the unit price higher, but not so many to sell. Even with a nationwide appeal, which any calendar has to have to make money, someone has to upfront the production expenses: obtaining the original photographs, either from individuals, companies or estates, then negotiating payment or name credit on the calendar; scanning the photos, assembling and art directing the calendar. Then there is the considerable marketing expense. How do we let people know there is even one available? The Dispatch of course reaches a target market, and maybe an ad for the calendar could go for free there? Don't know about that, since I am not on the inside loop concerning the publication. Notice that the calendars offered for sale at the mall in those kiosks and at the chain book stores always feature subjects of wide general appeal: Autos, planes, mountains, women, men, Ansel Adams photos, etc. Those are printed in large quantities in the orient and marketed nation wide and in some cases, world wide. Of the several calendars I have been a part of, a sponsor was always involved. In our case, as we look around, the few likely suspects such as SHS and AM might not be too enthused about paying for a product that features a now-defunct manufacturer and/or a competitor's product: Lionel AF. And we know how Lionel feels about promoting AF. Don Heimburger is probably interested in such a project. I am not a close acquaintance of the man, but my guess is that he has looked at the numbers and decided there was not enough profit in producing a calendar, otherwise we would have seen one every year. Looking at it from my angle, TM is obviously interested in diversifying, witness the many spin-off products they offer. But again, since an AF calendar would seem to be such an obvious idea, and since there is nothing like it on the market, one wonders why they too have not tried it. (There are Lionel calendars, as most are aware I'm sure.) If someone from this list (or elsewhere in the AF world) would be willing to volunteer to search out quality images, obtain their use for free, scan them for free, get free art direction, find a good printer with a reasonable bid, offer the calendar to all on this list (for starters) for X dollars, get payment in advance, use the up front money to pay the printer, and our volunteer acting as treasurer all the while-that would be one way to have a calendar. The price for us as individuals would be affordable. But there would be not profit in it for anyone except the printer; that is why the point person would have to be a volunteer. Someone may know a printer who will do it for free. I have not personally encountered one, as they say they are practically working for free as it is. But probably too late for 2004. We would have a running start on 2005. As I said at the top of the show, I would love to see it happen. And please understand I am not throwing cold water on the project. It is doable, but we just need to be aware of the stark realities. Also understand that I am assuming a real quality piece would be the outcome. The spiral-bound puppies, with marginal reproduction, cranked out by quick print shops are not what I am talking about. If any one of us wants THAT on our wall, then we can just shoot our own pictures of our favorite AF pieces, take the pictures down to the local Mail Boxes, Etc., and get one printed. Just tossing in my two cents from years of batting around the photography, journalism, printing and advertising biz :) Respectfully submitted, Roy Inman > From: Michael Lueck <pianoman@...> > Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:07:16 -0400 > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] AF Calendar > > There are verious RR calendar's out there, but has anyone considered putting > out one for AF? Maybe it is something our friends over at TM might take up - > they must have miles of great AF pictures on film. > > It is a bit better idea to hang up a calendar at work that bring the good > trains in there. > > Should we have a poll of how many on the list would purchase such...??? > Paul??? > > Just a thought > Michael > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25721	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar

Roy you are 100% right , the T. M. people did do an AF calendar about 20 yrs. ago & this is probably why they have not done anymore as the cost would only be higher today. However with interest in AF & Gilbert at a seemingly all time high , they or some other publisher may reconsider , if they think that the numbers are there.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25722	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar

Calenders....I don't look at them too often....If I am out I use my checkbook back...If i am at home i look at my Computer screen...see the attached site for a Great Desktop..... http://historicwings.com/monthly/ Why can't we do something like this...Every month I have a different photo of a plane.....Paul already has the setup....all he has to do is add the dates and a nice photo of the Train or Trains....Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25723	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar

I forgot to add....My wife has several calendars of horses....They never get opened....Christmas Presents you know...Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25724	From: David Engle	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention

What is the status of 2005. -----Original Message----- From: John A Foley [mailto:john.foley16@...] Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 10:21 AM To: Bill Lane; S Trains; S Scale List Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention Hi Bill Seattle is in the works. John At 10:02 PM 5/9/2003 -0400, Bill Lane wrote: >Hi All, > >I reserved my rooms today for the NASG convention. Luckily, Dan's wife is >coming to keep Donna company. I have had the plane tickets and registration >for a few weeks now. > >But the BIG question is, where is the convention going to be next year? >Anyone? Anyone? Look at he calendar! It's only about 14 months away. I went >to convention meetings for almost 3 years before the 1993 joint convention >in Valley Forge. > >Perhaps a few kind individuals in Florida could band together and put on the >Shindig! It'll give me a reason to finally stop by and see Mickey. I >survived Las Vegas in July. How much different could it be? (:->) > >Bill > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To see or post Photos visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25725	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention

In a message dated 5/14/03 2:15:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RIRocket@... writes: > What is the status of 2005. > After a few calculations, 2005 will be here in 499 days. Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG TCA SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25726	From: David Engle	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention

I meant the 2005 NASG Convention. Sorry. -----Original Message----- From: Cbtrainnut1@... [mailto:Cbtrainnut1@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:26 PM To: rirocket@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: [S-Scale] NASG convention In a message dated 5/14/03 2:15:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RIRocket@... writes: What is the status of 2005. After a few calculations, 2005 will be here in 499 days. Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG TCA SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25727	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Train Shows in OH, WV, PA this weekend??

Hello all, Once again I'm spending a business weekend in Wheeling. Are there any train shows, swap meets, etc scheduled for this weekend in OH, WV or PA?? Thanks for any info you may have! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25728	From: trainman634	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: American Models Turnouts

What is the lenght of the straight section of a American Models turnout? Where can I buy plastic insulating rail joiners for American Models track? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25729	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: American Models Turnouts

I measured it as 12", matching their sectional straight track. Not sure where to get rail joiners. Atlas advertises code 148 but I can't find any. I used some Right-O-Way O gauge code 148 insulating plastic rail joiners and epoxy to make some insulated joints in our modular layout bridge rails. They look like bolted on rail connecting plates. ROW web site is http://www.protojournal.com/2_ad_row.htm You can also epoxy a 1/2" long strip of 1/32" thick styrene to the rails under the joint and fill the joint with a piece of the same strip filed to fit. Should last forever on a permanent track installation. trainman634 wrote: > > What is the lenght of the straight section of a American Models > turnout? Where can I buy plastic insulating rail joiners for American > Models track? Thanks. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25730	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1880

Attention: Anyone planning a summer trip Colorado. TTOS is having a Toy Train show in Denver Colo. on august 22, and August 23, noon to 4 pm. Jerry 77-11644 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25731	From: Tim	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: American Models Turnouts

Chuck, I think you can get along quite fine without using any insulated rail joiners. What you need is a stable gap between the rails. The gap only needs to be 1/32" or so. Just tack or glue the ties abutting the gap to the train board and the gap should be stable. If it's a thin gap, there shouldn't be any derailment issues. I do it all the time, but I am using vintage Flyer track. I don't see why it wouldn't work on any make of track. You might want to stay a section or two away from switches, crosses, rerailers, etc. Another approach I have used is to lay the track, then cut in the gap with the cutting wheel on a little Dremel tool somewhere within the section of track. The gap doesn't have to be at a track joint to work, but it might benefit from the insertion of an extra tie or two on vintage track at the new joint. I think the track you are talking about has enough ties to make the joint stable. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Smith To: trainman634 Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models Turnouts I measured it as 12", matching their sectional straight track. Not sure where to get rail joiners. Atlas advertises code 148 but I can't find any. I used some Right-O-Way O gauge code 148 insulating plastic rail joiners and epoxy to make some insulated joints in our modular layout bridge rails. They look like bolted on rail connecting plates. ROW web site is http://www.protojournal.com/2_ad_row.htm You can also epoxy a 1/2" long strip of 1/32" thick styrene to the rails under the joint and fill the joint with a piece of the same strip filed to fit. Should last forever on a permanent track installation. trainman634 wrote: > > What is the lenght of the straight section of a American Models > turnout? Where can I buy plastic insulating rail joiners for American > Models track? Thanks. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25732	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: American Models Turnouts

That is the method I use for insulated gaps with AM track. If it its securely mounted and spiked, cuts with a fine cutoff Dremmel tool work fine. I have about 40 gap cuts and have no problems. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:00 PM To: trainman634; Chuck Smith Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models Turnouts Chuck, I think you can get along quite fine without using any insulated rail joiners. What you need is a stable gap between the rails. The gap only needs to be 1/32" or so. Just tack or glue the ties abutting the gap to the train board and the gap should be stable. If it's a thin gap, there shouldn't be any derailment issues. I do it all the time, but I am using vintage Flyer track. I don't see why it wouldn't work on any make of track. You might want to stay a section or two away from switches, crosses, rerailers, etc. Another approach I have used is to lay the track, then cut in the gap with the cutting wheel on a little Dremel tool somewhere within the section of track. The gap doesn't have to be at a track joint to work, but it might benefit from the insertion of an extra tie or two on vintage track at the new joint. I think the track you are talking about has enough ties to make the joint stable. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Smith To: trainman634 Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models Turnouts I measured it as 12", matching their sectional straight track. Not sure where to get rail joiners. Atlas advertises code 148 but I can't find any. I used some Right-O-Way O gauge code 148 insulating plastic rail joiners and epoxy to make some insulated joints in our modular layout bridge rails. They look like bolted on rail connecting plates. ROW web site is http://www.protojournal.com/2_ad_row.htm You can also epoxy a 1/2" long strip of 1/32" thick styrene to the rails under the joint and fill the joint with a piece of the same strip filed to fit. Should last forever on a permanent track installation. trainman634 wrote: > > What is the lenght of the straight section of a American Models > turnout? Where can I buy plastic insulating rail joiners for American > Models track? Thanks. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25733	From: mdg312003	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Calendar found

I was just on sabrinas web site gilbertho.com, theyve got calandars AF s gauge and HO ones too. They had them hidden in the site, called her and she moved them to home page for easy access ! How nice :) 2004 , think they look pretty good. Just a thought maybe you wanted to check them out. Mike DeGanno --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@l...> wrote: > There are verious RR calendar's out there, but has anyone considered putting > out one for AF? Maybe it is something our friends over at TM might take up - > they must have miles of great AF pictures on film. > > It is a bit better idea to hang up a calendar at work that bring the good > trains in there. > > Should we have a poll of how many on the list would purchase such...??? Paul??? > > Just a thought > Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25734	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG convention

on 5/14/03 8:09 AM, David Engle at RIRocket@... wrote: > What is the status of 2005. Dave, For the 2005 NASG Convention, the NASG Convention Committee has received one bid proposal from a group in the east, however, about 10 months ago they were advised they had to revise the financial statement to follow the NASG Convention Handbook before the proposal would be submitted to the NASG BOT. To date, a revised financial statement has not been received. A mid west group was sent an NASG Convention Handbook, as they indicated they were interested in hosting the 2005 or 2006 convention. Just two days ago I sent them an e-mail asking if they had decided on the year they wanted to host, and when I might receive a bid proposal from them. I would not expect a response from them for at least a week or so. If you are interested in hosting an NASG Convention, please contact me off list so we can discuss your next step. Lee Johnson NASG Convention Committee Chair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25735	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: guard rails

Hi all: I am in the process of finishing one of the 81' (actual length = 15.18") Hunter line trestles (nice kit) which comes with ties. Since it already has ties, I will lay some code 125 nickel silver rail on them and thought that I should put some guard rails on the trestle. Any ideas how to make the guard rails and how far should they extend (probably for most of the trestle)? I thought I could use some more of the more than 100' of the ni-ag rail that I have with some small bends at the ends towards the center of the tracks, Anyone have any pictures of such a trestle? I seem to remember one from the lists about 2 years ago, but I haven't been able to find it. Thanks for info. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25736	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: Re: guard rails

They should extend a bit beyond the trestle. Don't know the recommended dimension but we recently installed guard rails on bridges on our modules and an inch or so of straight beyond the bridge to the bend toward the center looked pretty good. Stuck the bridge rails down with goo and they installed in minutes and held position and were rock solid after a half hour. Realized then we could have gooed running rails but they were already spiked. Bente and Rance wrote: > > Hi all: > I am in the process of finishing one of the 81' (actual length = 15.18") > Hunter line trestles (nice kit) which comes with ties. Since it already > has ties, I will lay some code 125 nickel silver rail on them and > thought that I should put some guard rails on the trestle. Any ideas > how to make the guard rails and how far should they extend (probably for > most of the trestle)? I thought I could use some more of the more than > 100' of the ni-ag rail that I have with some small bends at the ends > towards the center of the tracks, Anyone have any pictures of such a > trestle? I seem to remember one from the lists about 2 years ago, but I > haven't been able to find it. > Thanks for info. > regards, > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25737	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: Re: guard rails

Hi all: Got a question about the Hunterline trestle kit. Rick Hunter in Canada is the owner, and will work with you - The one I bought (which is currently the largest he has to offer) has strip basswood, sugar pine ties, nut/bolt/washer castings, step by step instructions, and full size templates. He also supplies a photograph of the finished product (Jack, I am in process of scanning and will send it to you). His e-mail is hunterline@... and although I do think he has a website, I can't seem to find it. Cost is around $48 Canadian. Don't send him too many e-mails as he is tremendously busy getting a larger kit out which in his words is: We do have the Big trestle still coming with a nice deck bridge in it's middle. We hope to have it in production before the National Convention here in Toronto in July. The past year has been trying. Besides a marital breakup, moving, building a whole new facility for Hunterline, we are still producing. Many new designs will hit the market this year. I am not associated with Rick or Hunterline except as a customer who is satisfied with his help, work, and kits. I hope that he finishes the large bridge mentioned above as I would like to be one of the first to purchase it. Regards, Rance Velapoldi JNR59@... wrote: > Rance, > I can't help you with the guard rails but would like to hear the > answer my self as I plan to do the same. However, I would like to > hear the feedback on your Hunter tressle kit...........where did you > purchase it and for how much? Do they have a website? Contact > number/address? Picture of it? > > Thanks much, > > Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25738	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] guard rails

Oops: As a supplemental to Alex's good question (which I thought about but forgot to ask), does one use code 100 as guard rails for the code 125 track, or can I use the code 125 I have? I realize I can use whatever I want, but curious for "accuracy" sake. Tx. Rance Velapoldi Alex Binkley wrote: > As a supplemental to Rance's question, what does one use with code 100 >track for guard rails code 83? > cheers > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25739	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: (Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list

(Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list Hello All, I have sold about 3/4 my inventory. Thanks to those of you who bought cars from me. Here is the complete list of what I still have for sale. All items are new and unused. If you want to buy something from me please copy and paste all the info for each line item into your email to me. I only accept money orders and PayPal. Shipping will be added to your total. Thanks, Jon Marinello email: jonmarinello@... --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- EMD F-7 A & B Units (20% off retail) $543.96 + shipping #00900 AT&SF EMD F7 (Passenger) ABA (I can also get you any other in-stock road name and configuration you want for the same 20% off, F3's too!) 53'6" General Steel Casting Co. Flat Cars and Trailers (30% off retail) $41.97 + shipping #00181 TOFC Penn #1 w/PRR Trailer #00310-6 TOFC WM with WM Trailer #00308-3 TOFC D&RGW with D&RGW Trailer #00193 TOFC Trailer Train #1 w/REAX ALM Trailer #00191 TOFC New York Central #1 w/NYC Trailer #00306-9 TOFC PRR #3 with PRR #2 Trailer #00180 TOFC Rock Island w/RI Trailer 48' General Steel Casting Co. Bulkhead Flat Cars (30% off retail) $34.97 + shipping #00157 Bulkhead Flatcar BN PC BM Load #00159 Bulkhead Flatcar CB&Q PC BM Load Extended Vision Cabooses $69.95 retail (30% off retail) $48.97 + shipping #00234 Caboose Illinois Central Gulf #1 #00232 Caboose Great Northern #1 #00218 Caboose Burlington Northern #1 40' USRA Single Sheathed Wooden Box Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00146 SS USRA Xm Pacific Electric 2712 40' Wooden Stock Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00064 SC New York Central 22591 40' Wooden Billboard Reefer Cars 15% off retail) $36.51 + shipping #00517 Reefer Ballentine Beer #2 #00566 Reefer PFE-orange #1 Composite Hoppers 3 Car Sets (20% off retail) $79.96 + shipping #00762 Comp Hb AT&SF 3 car set #1 Flat Cars with Loads See items for prices (15% off retail) + shipping -- all gone -- 53'6" General Steel Casting Co. Flat Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping -- all gone -- 40' USRA Double Sheathed Boxcars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping -- all gone -- 40' Steel "Rebuilt" Box Cars (20% off retail) $31.96 + shipping -- all gone -- PS-2 Two Bay Covered Hoppers (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping -- all gone -- PS-2 Three Bay Covered Hoppers (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping -- all gone --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25740	From: Jim Schiele	Date: 5/15/2003
Subject: VTC Train Meet

The Virginia Train Collectors is still having their meet this Saturday, May 17. It will be held at the fair grounds on Airport Road and not at the armory. Jim Schiele [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25741	From: Al	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: AF Calendars

Roy Inman and others are partially right on selling of calendars if you want to make a profit. However, as a group of American Flyer/S- Gauge enthusiasts, we could do our own calendar without worrying about how much profit we are going to make. Two years ago, I put together a train calendar with American Flyer and real train pictures. This was for my train club only - I only had orders for 16 calendars. The total cost of heavier paper, color ink cartridges for an HP 882C color Deskjet printer, punching and small combs, postage, printing errors, etc., came to $9.87 per calendar. I charged $10 for the calendars. I was not out to make a profit, but rather serve the members of my club with something different than the run of the mill railroad calendars available. It was a fun project, but very time consuming. If this group decided to put out a calendar, having a professional printer would be the ideal way to go. This would cut printing time and could be cheaper than an HP DeskJet printer. Of course, the printer would need to a profit to stay in business and cover all costs involved, including assembling the calendar for shipment. I believe if the S-Trains and the S-Scale groups decided to put out a calendar, it should be stricty S-Gauge products, not American Flyer exclusively. I am sure that American Models, SHS, and even Lionel would submit a couple of pictures of their S-Gauge lines FREE for the calendar - What a great way for these companies to advertise directly to their consumers. The rest of the pictures could be from S-Gauge/Scale clubs, individual layouts or collections, etc. We would have to make sure that all necessary submitions had proper clearance in writing for anything copyrightable. We don't need any infringement suits so we would have to make sure of everything that might give problems. Before going very far on this project, we need to find out how many members would be willing to purchase a calendar and send in partial payment to get this project off the ground. Start early, like August. Who would do this? I would be willing to help in any way possible. Any other volunteers? Who would be the editor? The critics - that would be the best job for some members. Paul, can you set up a poll to see if members of both groups would be willing to support this idea and also if they would be willing to send partial payment for the calendar in advance. That's my soapbox statement for the month. Al Rawdon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25742	From: Ted Larson	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: from Sn3 list

there is another kit in the back ground in this part of the world, that is an S scale model of a bus . OK you say a bus. Well not just any bus, but aYellow Coach model Z-CT-843 1936,as seen in the books on the Rio Grande narror gange. I tkink I see some lights comming on. I first saw this about four years ago, and I know there I had seen it, so I asked the builder if he would do it in S scale, I was thinking a block of resin in the back ground would be ok. Well I saw it today and it is no longer a block of resin. It is avery well done model, detailed inside and out with over 60 parts in the kit. When I first saw the kit I was going to have one some there on the layout, well two or three is more like it adds to the layout. I hope to have one or two soon so Ican put one togerther and see what I am getting,and will get back to you all. The kit is a YELLOW COACH model Z-CT-843 1936. Will have decals for: Rio Grande Motorways #169 & 2 other numbers. Rio Grande Trailways. Central Greyhound Lines. When and price. TBA. Bill SN3 Old Northlander. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25743	From: Jim Schiele	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: VTC Meet

Forgot to mention the meet is in Fredericksburg, VA. Jim Schiele [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25744	From: littletownkid1952	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: Re: Calanders

For those out there with old calanders, there are great uses for them. You could take them to a print shop, and have them covered in plastic. Then, you have a nice placemat. Get them framed, and you have a nice picture. Anyone with other ideas?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25745	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: New Poll - S-Trains Calendar

We are working on a new S-Trains calendar. Your input is requested. http://S-Scale.org The results from the previous poll are also available. (I am always looking for new poll ideas.) ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25746	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: Re: Seaboard Coal Loader Wheels

Has anyone tried to replace the plastic wheels on the carriage of a seaboard coal loader? It appears that the sideframes have to be bent out to remove the axles. Seems as if the sideframes could easily break or the spot welds could break loose. Anyone tried this or have any advice? Thanks, Neil Holcomb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25747	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 5/16/2003
Subject: Calenders

There is some neat software out there for Calender making. My son and daughter-in-law make up a calender for each the wife and me each year. They use pictures they have taken. Each day when I wake up, I look at the calender and remember them. (He is career Navy stationed at Bremerton, WA. We don't get to see them very often. We live in Arkansas.) Put a price on the table and see who vore with their bucks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25748	From: rkuepper	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Lehmann Gnomy Caboose

While at Spring S-Fest yesterday in Strongsville, OH, I came across a pair of American Models passenger trucks, which I thought might work for converting the bobber caboose. The results can be seen at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun00&page=1 I haven't closely examined the truck for insulation, but since there are 2 different colored wires, I hope that I can install lighting. Also, even though there is only 1 coupler pocket, I see no reason a coupler couldn't be mounted on the other end using a shim - for an ore tipple or gondola or box car. I plan to experiment with the other truck sometime. If others have ideas, I'd love to hear them. Have a great weekend. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25749	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Pick your brain

This message is not related to S trains, but I'm a long time subscriber to the list, so please indulge me a little.. I have a neurological condition that has made my speech unintelligible. Do you know of a small electronic device I could use to say 5 or 10 things by pressing a button. I have my other communicate needs covered by a mini-laptop, but I'd like to be able to say Thank You, You'r Welcome, Gas on Pump 6, etc. This device would be user promarily at stores, restaurant, etc. Any ideas? Peter Ervin Cumberland, Maryland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25750	From: rfgiardina	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Re: Pick your brain

Peter, a quick and easy way might be to record the phrases on a music cd-r, as individual tracks. Then play them back on a portable cd player, by choosing the individual track. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Peter Ervin <pjervin@h...> wrote: > This message is not related to S trains, but I'm a long time subscriber to > the list, so please indulge me a little.. > > I have a neurological condition that has made my speech unintelligible. Do > you know of a small electronic device I could use to say 5 or 10 things by > pressing a button. I have my other communicate needs covered by a > mini-laptop, but I'd like to be able to say Thank You, You'r Welcome, Gas > on Pump 6, etc. This device would be user promarily at stores, restaurant, > etc. > > Any ideas? > > Peter Ervin > Cumberland, Maryland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25751	From: Robert Wight	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Re: Pick your brain

Peter; I have a deaf daughter and im hard of hearing. Most states has a deaf and hard of hearing services that will come to your home and show you all the gagets. Yes, they do have a device for what you need. you can even go through drive through windows. They gave me everything for free. I have door bells that flash lights. Phones that have amplification and flash lights. TTY's ect. They have things you never new was available. You can usually find your locall one on the net. If you have trouble let me know and ill find the link for your area. Im certain even though you are not deaf that your condition would qulify you for these services. Hope this helps. Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: Peter Ervin <pjervin@...> Reply-To: "pjervin@..." <pjervin@...> To: "'S-Trains@yahoogroups.com'" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Pick your brain Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 10:42:57 -0400 This message is not related to S trains, but I'm a long time subscriber to the list, so please indulge me a little.. I have a neurological condition that has made my speech unintelligible. Do you know of a small electronic device I could use to say 5 or 10 things by pressing a button. I have my other communicate needs covered by a mini-laptop, but I'd like to be able to say Thank You, You'r Welcome, Gas on Pump 6, etc. This device would be user promarily at stores, restaurant, etc. Any ideas? Peter Ervin Cumberland, Maryland S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25752	From: Steve Blancard	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Re: Lehmann Gnomy Caboose

Dick, Nice job on the truck, it looks great on the bobber. It also look smore stable the the AF truck I used. Are you going to paint it now? Steve Blancard rkuepper wrote: > While at Spring S-Fest yesterday in Strongsville, OH, I came across a pair of American Models passenger trucks, which I thought might work for converting the bobber caboose. The results can be seen at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun00&page=1 > I haven't closely examined the truck for insulation, but since there are 2 different colored wires, I hope that I can install lighting. Also, even though there is only 1 coupler pocket, I see no reason a coupler couldn't be mounted on the other end using a shim - for an ore tipple or gondola or box car. I plan to experiment with the other truck sometime. > > If others have ideas, I'd love to hear them. > > Have a great weekend. > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25753	From: rkuepper	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Bobber caboose

For anyone interested, I also picked up a 4 wheel pilot truck for an Atl/Pac. Although the wheelbase is about the same as the AM passenger truck, one would have to fashion a sideframe. But when I got home, I found that the pilot on my Royal Blue/circus engine seems to be the right wheelbase for the existing Gnomy sideframes. I don't want to take my engines apart, but I want to see if a parts dealer has one. If I do, I'll post pix. Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25754	From: Alex	Date: 5/17/2003
Subject: Re: Pick your brain

Hi Peter: Radio Shack used to carry some voice recorder chip kits, and also some ready-to-use solid-state "voice notepad" devices. You may want to check with them. There was also a kid's pocket toy called a "Yak Bak" that used the ISD Corp. chip to record and playback short clips of voice and music. I don't know if it's still available or not, but I'd bet perusing a Toys-R-Us store might prove useful. Good luck to you! == Alex in Maine .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ervin [mailto:pjervin@...] Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:43 AM To: 'S-Trains@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [S-Trains] Pick your brain This message is not related to S trains, but I'm a long time subscriber to the list, so please indulge me a little.. I have a neurological condition that has made my speech unintelligible. Do you know of a small electronic device I could use to say 5 or 10 things by pressing a button. I have my other communicate needs covered by a mini-laptop, but I'd like to be able to say Thank You, You'r Welcome, Gas on Pump 6, etc. This device would be user promarily at stores, restaurant, etc. Any ideas? Peter Ervin Cumberland, Maryland S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25755	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: 25046

Hi all, I would like to take a moment to thank the people who took the time to respond to my request for information about this rocket car. I replaced the metal wheel on the actuator truck with a plastic one. The rocket still wouldn't fire but the solenoid engaged. I removed the plastic shell and found rust on the firing mechanism. I worked the mechanism free and lightly oiled the pivot points. After reassembly, the rocket fires just fine. Once again the "S" group has come through with accurate and useful information. Wait till the grandkids see this car in action! Where else can you find 50 year old operational toys? One thing I don't understand is the 25045 model of this car. It fires the rocket straight up in the air. Seems counterproductive to bomb your own train or adjacent scenery. Thanks again, Alex (innotron)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25756	From: Tim	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: 25046

Hi, Try firing the rocket on the fly and "blow up" the tracks behind the train so the "enemy" can't use them. :) :) For that matter, see if you can load an oil barrel, deliver a package or take a piece of lumber from your other accessories without slowing down or stopping. You're operating American FLYER. Make them go as fast as you can! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Sibbald To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 4:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 25046 Hi all, I would like to take a moment to thank the people who took the time to respond to my request for information about this rocket car. I replaced the metal wheel on the actuator truck with a plastic one. The rocket still wouldn't fire but the solenoid engaged. I removed the plastic shell and found rust on the firing mechanism. I worked the mechanism free and lightly oiled the pivot points. After reassembly, the rocket fires just fine. Once again the "S" group has come through with accurate and useful information. Wait till the grandkids see this car in action! Where else can you find 50 year old operational toys? One thing I don't understand is the 25045 model of this car. It fires the rocket straight up in the air. Seems counterproductive to bomb your own train or adjacent scenery. Thanks again, Alex (innotron) S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25757	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: 25045

--- Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> wrote: > One thing I don't understand is the 25045 model of this car. It fires > the rocket straight up in the air. The 25045 that fires the rocket straight up is actually an Inter-Continental Ballistic Missle (ICBM) that is supposed to go straight up until it reaches the upper atmosphere where it then levels out toward it's destination thousands of miles away. For this to work on your layout you have to have the "outer space" accessory. Without it, each launch is aborted shortly after lift-off. :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25758	From: G Nichol	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: American Flyer Collection Posted

Hi all! I've listed some nice Flyer items on my site, www.NicksTrains.com. Click on American Flyer Collection under Newly Listed Items. In particular are the: 21139 UP Northern Exc+ 24016 Katy Boxcar LN/OB 21920 1958 PAs Exc- 21918 Baldwins Exc w/ screw crack 24800 series 1963 MP passenger cars Exc 24413 ART Reefer LN/OB and more with more to be added within the next few weeks. I should mention also that I have not had a chance to really clean these items so they may look better with a little effort. And, the prices listed are "starting points" - make an offer. So, take a look at the site and let me know if you have any interest. Some of the photos are very large so it may take a minute or two to load them but the photos will give you a good sense of condition. You may also need to use your horizontal and vertical scroll bars to view the item once the photo has loaded (it'll make sense once you're there). Thanks much! Happy railroading! Greg Nicholas www.NicksTrains.com TCA, TTOS, LCCA _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25759	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: photo from inside back cover M2798 Booklet

I've posted a photo from the Gilbert archives that was used for the M2798 Booklet This link should take you there, with a stop over at the sign in page http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/lst?.dir=/M2978+inside+back+cover+photo&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/ Interesting to see what was cropped from the original enjoy! Clay "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?" "The Shadow Knows!" Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25760	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1884

Brilliant in its simplicity! Message: 3 Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:14:55 -0000 From: "rfgiardina" <rfgco@...> Subject: Re: Pick your brain Peter, a quick and easy way might be to record the phrases on a music cd-r, as individual tracks. Then play them back on a portable cd player, by choosing the individual track.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25761	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Communication devices

My thanks to the people who responded on and off S-Trains to my request for simple speech generating devices. That's an example of how the Internet can be a community that cares about and helps one another. Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25762	From: trzp1800	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: 25045

It works much better in zero G. > --- Alex Sibbald <innotron@a...> wrote: > > One thing I don't understand is the 25045 model of this car. It fires > > the rocket straight up in the air.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25763	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: 25045

Try running the train at full speed...hold the control button down as you pass over the trip...Then when it goes up the train will be gone when it comes down....and maybe get the train following it!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "trzp1800" <trzp1800@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 25045 > It works much better in zero G. > > > --- Alex Sibbald <innotron@a...> wrote: > > > One thing I don't understand is the 25045 model of this car. It > fires > > > the rocket straight up in the air. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25764	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: A. C. Gilbert #D1637 1951 Catalog Online

Hello Everyone, I have posted on my web site today a somewhat unusual S gauge catalog, A. C. Gilbert #D1637 1951 Catalog. This is an advance / dealer catalog, and not the 1951 catalog you usually see... http://myflyertrains.org I hope you enjoy it! Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25765	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: 25045

Hi again, One more question for the pros. I have to reload the spring mechanism with a screwdriver instead of the rocket because the rocket shaft isn't long enough to set the spring. Is this normal operating procedure or am I dealing with repro rockets? By the way, I used to stop the mail train to unload the mailbag after pickup but the grandkids soon found out that the car would spit out the bag if you pushed the button. Now we have a lego post office that is a target for the mailbag. Same mailcar - twice the fun! Alex (innotron)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25766	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: repro rockets

--- Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> wrote: > Hi again, One more question for the pros. I have to reload the spring > mechanism with a screwdriver instead of the rocket because the rocket > shaft isn't long enough to set the spring. Is this normal operating > procedure or am I dealing with repro rockets? The repro rockets are usually meant for the straight up rocket launchers that require a hollow tube shaft. The button/plug from the top end of a Bic type pen can be pushed into the end to make it long enough to work with the angled rocket launcher car. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25767	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Downsizing&thinning

Have decided to thin out my 51 year collection of Flyer,Flyonel,SHS,AM and various others. I do not have a list. All are either mint, played with,and various stages in between. Have boxes for a lot of AM, Lionel and SHS pieces but no Gilbert. Contact me off the list with your wants and yes I will answer you back with details. I'm located in Florida. Thanks. marpack57@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25768	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: Re: S Spree report

Re: S Spree report Just got back from a great time at Cleveland and would like to update those who were not able to attend. There was so much new stuff to see this year. Every year seems to be a bit more, but this time seemed to be more than usual. I think every S mfg. had at least one new product on display. For me one of the more exciting items was the USRA composite gondola at Ron and Susan Sebastian's table. The metal superstructure is injection molded styrene with real wood laser cut sides and floor. It looked very nice and will be a great addition to the market. Ron also had his assembled test shots of the 50' boxcars (three versions), coal porter and the bulktainers. He hopes to have some of these RTR models by the end year. I think everyone was happy to see Diane Wade and talk to here about the car accident of 2 weeks ago. Billy had a nice engine house and a real pretty white church I really liked. Geof Graber of Greenbriar displayed and operated a string of painted and lettered BL-2s for sale. Jim and Dan of River Raisin Models had the new PRR and C&O 2-10-4s on display and for sale. Also seen for the first time were the painted and lettered Pullman Sleeper, Kitchen Car and Baggage Car (I am waiting for my four of these gems). These are expected in July. Southwind had the brass B&O I-5s cabooses. I am not sure if these were samples or production units for sale. I saw the EM-1s for sale (I have one of these for my Railroad). No word on when the replacement imitation gold cab numbers will arrive. John of Cryer Gray Foundry had C&O cantilever signal bridge masts samples that River Raisin will be marketing. Tom of PA Heritage had a sample side of a laser cut of a wooden sided trolley. Mike and I had the opportunity to spend some time talking to Ron Bashista of American Models. Across from his table was a surprise, K-Line. They had several painted samples of the new to S Gauge, Marx 0-27 boxcars and tank cars. Also on display was the 0-27 Big Boy that has caused quite a stir. Ron B. was curious on how close to S scale the 0-27 Big Boy speced out. Ron came over and borrowed our electronic vernier. By a great twist of luck, Gary Clark had a Sunset S Scale Big Boy for sale (I think he still does if someone is interested). Ron and my partner Mike, compared the two models and were surprised to determine that this model was not built to any scale. The locomotive was about an inch too long and the tender an inch to short. I am not sure if this is some type of new way to have an S scale compromise. Ron also reported that it is also much wider and taller than the Sunset Big Boy. I guess Ron answered all of my questions. We (SHS) had a FedEx delivery to the Hotel of our new reefer and USRA single sheathed boxcar painted samples. Production models will ship to us later this Spring, hopefully in time for the NASG Convention. Photos will be on our website shortly. We also had an engineering sample of the 30'6" offset 2 bay hopper, the next hopper in the series. The prototype for this car the NYC, Big Four, MCRR as well as the P&E. We expect to see these this fall. We also displayed the uncoupler and AF action track (with the AF rocket launcher flatcar and 919 side dump coal car). The uncoupler is expected to leave Hong Kong in June. Lastly, I want to thank the CVSGA for asking me to sit in on a clinic about S gauge mfgs. of the 70's. I had the pleasure of sitting with Barb Seltzer and reminiscing the good old days when Robin and I owned Train Stuff and Barb and Josh made RTR S Scale trains under the "Seltzer" name. For me, it eased the pain of being in Cleveland for the first time and not being with Josh. It was very hard to look over at the CVSGA scale layout and not seeing him operating trains. I am sure I was not the only one who made that observation. I know Mike and I had a great time and would like to thank the CVSGA for hosting the S Spree this year. We are looking forward to seeing everyone next year in Columbus for the 2004 S Spree. It will be 2 weeks earlier next year, the week before Mother's Day. Don Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25769	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: S Scale F7 Antennas

Hi All, I have just finished a project started in January. It is an antenna stanchion drill fixture http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/F3_fixture.jpg for my S Scale S Helper Service http://www.showcaseline.com/index.html F7. I researched MANY photos, and measured 100 times. It is as close as I can get without having an actual antenna layout drawing, which no one has been able to find. I probably have 30-40 hours of time in making it. I wondered recently if I should have just put tape down and drilled through that! I just placed the stanchions in the holes here to get a feel for the future finished model. Here is the one of my factory painted A Units that is about to be drilled. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/SHS_F3.jpg Since I have copied my S Scale lists, please contact me privately if you are interested in having me drill the antenna holes for you. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25770	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/18/2003
Subject: great website

Here is a great website with 2 dozen photos of a recent excursion in Tennesee with 2 NYCRR E-8's and stainless steel passenger cars, plus some great shots of CSX's Selkirk Yard, and more. If you like that kind of stuff. The E-8's: http://yonkersrails.com/yrp4/id21.html or just the home page www.yonkersrails.com Enjoy! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25771	From: lamontcranston1946	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: photo

For those of you that have had trouble accessing the photos section, I had posted the photo on my web site www.davestnt.com scroll down to the bottom and click on layout which will show you pictures of the old travelling layout. I've taken out the Control Panel and replaced it with the M2798 photo Pictures of the new '46 layout coming soon regard'S' Clay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25772	From: knockbill	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: rockets

Hi I remember reading some where that ACG changed from the straight up rocket car to the angle rocket car to eliminate the rocket hitting people in the face? Was it really a problem? Any lawsuits that could have forced a change? Anyone else hear this? Just curious Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25773	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: rockets

Dear John, My partner Mike purchased one of the straight up rocket launchers at the Spree for us to demo our new AF action track. With the force the rocket comes off of the launcher, I could see why this would be a potential hazard and with today's legal theory, it would be a sure suit magnet Best regards, Don knockbill wrote: >Hi >I remember reading some where that ACG changed from the straight up >rocket car to the angle rocket car to eliminate the rocket hitting >people in the face? Was it really a problem? Any lawsuits that could >have forced a change? Anyone else hear this? Just curious >Have fun >John > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25774	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: S Spree report

In a message dated 5/18/2003 11:00:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, robin@... writes: > Also on display was the 0-27 Big Boy that has caused quite a stir. Ron B. > was curious on how close to S scale the 0-27 Big Boy speced out. Ron came > over and borrowed our electronic vernier. By a great twist of luck, Gary > Clark had a Sunset S Scale Big Boy for sale (I think he still does if > someone is interested). Ron and > my partner Mike, compared the two models and were surprised to determine > that this model was not built to any scale. Well, a surprise to some. I believe that I have posted several times that the K-Line "little boy" is a selective compression effort with an average scale of about 1/60. It is not a superior model -- some of the 0 gauge crowd aren't happy with it either. Those with vintage tinplate interests, however, running traditional Gilbert might have some fun with a version re-gauged to H1, since nothing like it is currently available (nor is likely to be). The K-L "S" emphasis is on budget operations and, obviously, not on appearance. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25775	From: louis glumac	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: rockets

i have theses little rubber tips that i put on the end of the rockets,,,,,,not just to save the kids,,,but also to prevent putting holes in my ceiling,they work great. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <robin@...> To: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Michael Ferraro" <mrfcpa@...> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] rockets > Dear John, > My partner Mike purchased one of the straight up rocket launchers at > the Spree for us to demo our new AF action track. With the force the > rocket comes off of the launcher, I could see why this would be a > potential hazard and with today's legal theory, it would be a sure suit > magnet > Best regards, > Don > > knockbill wrote: > > >Hi > >I remember reading some where that ACG changed from the straight up > >rocket car to the angle rocket car to eliminate the rocket hitting > >people in the face? Was it really a problem? Any lawsuits that could > >have forced a change? Anyone else hear this? Just curious > >Have fun > >John > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25776	From: Michael Greene	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: Magazines

With all the talk (one more time) about magazines on the S-Scale list, I thought it might be interesting to see to which model railroading magazines folks actually have a subscription. So I've created a poll to try to understand which ones get the largest pot of subscription dollars from the group. I've probably missed a couple (my apologies in advance), and I've purposely excluded: - mags that are member benefits of the NASG, NMRA, TCA since in most cases if someone is a member, they get that mag, - and mags that are mostly dedicated to real trains as compared with model trains - scale specific mags that are not S scale (e.g., N scale mag) If you've got a few minutes and would be willing to take the poll please visit: http://www.mainerailroads.org/smagpoll.html You can see the current results online as well. I've leave the poll open for a while to allow folks to vote. Michael PS - My apologies for the banner advertising along with the poll -- I've used a free service -- wanted to save my dollars for more S scale products :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, NTRAK, TCA, The 470 Railroad Club Bristol S Gaugers http://www.bristol-s-gauge.com National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org Maine Railroads (including DCC Corner) http://www.mainerailroads.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25777	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: great response

I can't believe the response from my downsizing ad.Just wish I could fulfill everyones wants. About the only thing left is the Seaboard baldwin set from 1958. No boxes, no track, no trans.Powered unit has screwhole crack, dummy OK. Nice decals. Runs like a typical Baldwin. Set dusty but otherwise Ok. Have had it since 1960. Asking $1400 + postage or make me an offer. Again thanks to everyone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25778	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: S Spree News

Thanks, Don T., for the report on the spree happenings. Some of the guys in our club are very interested in the S models that DesPlaines Hobbies has set for release. Regarding the KLine "Big Boy" model, we had a chance to see it at a show last fall. While it does exhibit a great deal of "selective compression", I was under the impression it was built to a single scale (reputedly 1/58th). Apparently, that is not the case. Still, we came away from our viewing fairly impressed with the model, as it gave an impression of heft that I would expect the "Big Boy" to display. Our inspection revealed that conversion from O gauge to S would involve some serious surgery. We concluded that such a conversion was best left to the manufacturer, should they decide to market such a model. I suspect that a S gauged K Line "Big Boy" would find a market in the S hirail community. I have never heard or read anything about how the O gauge model operates. Has anyone seen one of these thing run? Thanks again for the info. Jay Mellon Crescent City S Gaugers New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25779	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: K-Line S-Gauge Locomotive

With all this K-Line talk, I just had to give out this link. Someone at the Flyer West had a Big Boy that they had re-gauged to run on flyer track. (Someone may have a picture of it running.) I am still hopping for more pictures from other Flyer West attendees. http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun15&page=2 Or go to the photo album at http://S-Scale.org Model Railroadings/Flyer Fest West/Train Stuff/Misc/ page 2 ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25780	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: S Spree report

OK, One more time, how do we get in contact with Ron Sebastian? Thanks for the report, Don. Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 wpporter@... > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Thompson [mailto:robin@...] > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:52 PM > To: S Train e-group; S Scale e-group; Showcaseline e-group > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Spree report > > > Re: S Spree report > > Just got back from a great time at Cleveland and would like to > update those who were not able to attend. There was so much new stuff > to see this year. Every year seems to be a bit more, but this time > seemed to be more than usual. I think every S mfg. had at least one new > product on display. For me one of the more exciting items was the USRA > composite gondola at Ron and Susan Sebastian's table. The metal > superstructure is injection molded styrene with real wood laser cut > sides and floor. It looked very nice and will be a great addition to > the market. Ron also had his assembled test shots of the 50' boxcars > (three versions), coal porter and the bulktainers. He hopes to have > some of these RTR models by the end year. I think everyone was happy to > see Diane Wade and talk to here about the car accident of 2 weeks ago. > Billy had a nice engine house and a real pretty white church I really > liked. Geof Graber of Greenbriar displayed and operated a string of > painted and lettered BL-2s for sale. Jim and Dan of River Raisin Models > had the new PRR and C&O 2-10-4s on display and for sale. Also seen for > the first time were the painted and lettered Pullman Sleeper, Kitchen > Car and Baggage Car (I am waiting for my four of these gems). These are > expected in July. Southwind had the brass B&O I-5s cabooses. I am not > sure if these were samples or production units for sale. I saw the > EM-1s for sale (I have one of these for my Railroad). No word on when > the replacement imitation gold cab numbers will arrive. John of Cryer > Gray Foundry had C&O cantilever signal bridge masts samples that River > Raisin will be marketing. Tom of PA Heritage had a sample side of a > laser cut of a wooden sided trolley. > Mike and I had the opportunity to spend some time talking to Ron > Bashista of American Models. Across from his table was a surprise, > K-Line. They had several painted samples of the new to S Gauge, Marx > 0-27 boxcars and tank cars. Also on display was the 0-27 Big Boy that > has caused quite a stir. Ron B. was curious on how close to S scale the > 0-27 Big Boy speced out. Ron came over and borrowed our electronic > vernier. By a great twist of luck, Gary Clark had a Sunset S Scale Big > Boy for sale (I think he still does if someone is interested). Ron and > my partner Mike, compared the two models and were surprised to determine > that this model was not built to any scale. The locomotive was about an > inch too long and the tender an inch to short. I am not sure if this is > some type of new way to have an S scale compromise. Ron also reported > that it is also much wider and taller than the Sunset Big Boy. I guess > Ron answered all of my questions. > We (SHS) had a FedEx delivery to the Hotel of our new reefer and > USRA single sheathed boxcar painted samples. Production models will > ship to us later this Spring, hopefully in time for the NASG Convention. > Photos will be on our website shortly. We also had an engineering > sample of the 30'6" offset 2 bay hopper, the next hopper in the series. > The prototype for this car the NYC, Big Four, MCRR as well as the P&E. > We expect to see these this fall. We also displayed the uncoupler and > AF action track (with the AF rocket launcher flatcar and 919 side dump > coal car). The uncoupler is expected to leave Hong Kong in June. > Lastly, I want to thank the CVSGA for asking me to sit in on a > clinic about S gauge mfgs. of the 70's. I had the pleasure of sitting > with Barb Seltzer and reminiscing the good old days when Robin and I > owned Train Stuff and Barb and Josh made RTR S Scale trains under the > "Seltzer" name. For me, it eased the pain of being in Cleveland for > the first time and not being with Josh. It was very hard to look over > at the CVSGA scale layout and not seeing him operating trains. I am > sure I was not the only one who made that observation. > I know Mike and I had a great time and would like to thank the CVSGA > for hosting the S Spree this year. We are looking forward to seeing > everyone next year in Columbus for the 2004 S Spree. It will be 2 weeks > earlier next year, the week before Mother's Day. > Don Thompson > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25781	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S-Gauge Locomotive

So is K-line going to make this thing, and will it run on Pike Master radius track? :-) These are exciting times, between K-line, LTI and S-Helper, I hope we get one nice steamer we can add to our layouts!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25782	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: S fest west pictures

Ok troops, I was finally able to get some time to upload three pictures to the S fest page. More to come later. Tom PS shows a top down view of the Baldwin conversion from S & S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25783	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 5/19/2003
Subject: (no subject)

>So is K-line going to make this thing, and will it run on Pike Master radius track? :-) These are exciting times, between K-line, LTI and S-Helper, I hope we get one nice steamer we can add to our layouts! < What K-line has now runs on 0-31 track, so an 'S' version perhaps would make it on PikeMaster track. Are they going to do it? There's the question. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25784	From: Alex	Date: 5/20/2003
Subject: Re: Pick your brain

Hi again Peter: This news just came out. The chip could also be used to store train sounds! == Alex in Maine ==================>> Winbond America Introduces New ISD5108 ChipCorder Voice Record and Playback IC San Jose, CA, May 19, 2003 - Winbond Electronics Corporation America, a leading supplier of semiconductor solutions to the consumer, computer, communications and electronics products markets, today introduced the ISD5108 ChipCorder. The chip represents the newest member of Winbond’s ISD5100-family. It features 4-to-8 minute voice record and playback capability and digital data storage and is targeted at a broad spectrum of markets and applications including security, industrial and automotive. The ISD5108 is currently sampling and is priced at approximately $6.00 for 1,000/quantity. The ISD5108 allows the user select sampling rates between 8KHz and 4KHz - with commensurate recording durations - allowing customers to choose the desired tradeoff for sound quality/duration. Additionally, part of the memory array may be used to store digital data. This feature allows the IC to record not only the sound file, but also a related data file, thereby simplifying customer designs. For example, a voice prompt could be stored along with associated text that could be displayed on a LCD. The ISD5108 the newest member of the ISD5100-series family that also includes the ISD5116 (8-16 minute duration). Other chips in this family are planned for introduction later this year. The ISD5100-series of ChipCorder ICs provide a family of full-featured voice record/playback ICs, allowing easy migration to longer- and shorter-duration devices. The chips are based on Winbond’s proprietary ChipCorder technology known for its low power operation, non-volatile message storage and industry-leading quality. The ISD5108 is available in 28-pin 300mil SOIC, and 8x13.4mm TSOP packages, as well as in DIE form. “The ISD5108 is an ideal choice for embedded voice applications,” said Peter Himes, vice president of marketing, Winbond America. “The chips’ additional functionality permits customized voice prompts and additional digital data storage while retaining the ease of design and inherent flexibility that has made the award-winning family of ChipCorder voice record and playback ICs a market leader.” About Winbond Winbond Electronics Corporation America, based in San Jose, California, is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Winbond Electronics Corporation, the largest branded IC Company in Taiwan and a leading supplier of semiconductor solutions worldwide. Winbond America designs, develops, markets and sells IC solutions to the global electronics marketplace. With a strong emphasis on mixed-signal solutions, Winbond America’s primary mission is to serve the signal conditioning needs of computer, consumer and communications electronic manufacturers. Winbond Electronics Corporation has approximately 3,800 employees worldwide with design centers in Hsinchu, Taiwan; Shanghai, China; San Jose and Torrance, California; and Austin, Texas. The Company can be contacted via the web at http://winbond-usa.com for Winbond America, or through the corporate homepage at http://www.winbond.com -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ervin [mailto:pjervin@...] Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:42 PM To: 'alexmm@...' Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pick your brain Thanks for the tips Alex -----Original Message----- From: Alex [SMTP:alexmm@...] Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 9:41 PM To: pjervin@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pick your brain Hi Peter: Radio Shack used to carry some voice recorder chip kits, and also some ready-to-use solid-state "voice notepad" devices. You may want to check with them. There was also a kid's pocket toy called a "Yak Bak" that used the ISD Corp. chip to record and playback short clips of voice and music. I don't know if it's still available or not, but I'd bet perusing a Toys-R-Us store might prove useful. Good luck to you! == Alex in Maine .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Ervin [mailto:pjervin@...] Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:43 AM To: 'S-Trains@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [S-Trains] Pick your brain This message is not related to S trains, but I'm a long time subscriber to the list, so please indulge me a little.. I have a neurological condition that has made my speech unintelligible. Do you know of a small electronic device I could use to say 5 or 10 things by pressing a button. I have my other communicate needs covered by a mini-laptop, but I'd like to be able to say Thank You, You'r Welcome, Gas on Pump 6, etc. This device would be user promarily at stores, restaurant, etc. Any ideas? Peter Ervin Cumberland, Maryland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25785	From: trombonelover1	Date: 5/20/2003
Subject: AF 336- Replacing pull-mor tires

I recently acquired an AF 336 Northern. The Pull-mor tires are worn off. Does any one know how to replace the? I saw on Carl Tuveson's site that it can be done, but he doesn't specify how. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25786	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2003
Subject: Illinois Central E8s ???

Has anyone out there purchased one of the American Models E8s and used them to pull the IC streamlined cars that were offered by Scenery Unlimited several years ago? I am interested in whether the paint on the E8s is a good match with those cars. Thanks - Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25787	From: John A Foley	Date: 5/20/2003
Subject: NASG Membership

Hi Folks If you ever have a question about your membership please contact Michael Paschall at Michael@... Michael is our NASG membership chairman and can help you. Thanks John Foley NASG VP

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25788	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/20/2003
Subject: AF 336-Replacing pul-mor tires

Fortunately, we now have replacement rims with pulmor tires vulcanized to them they are available from Doug Peck and Joe Haenn. Replacing them is kind of an involved process and I will leave it to other list members to explain it to you. The key is to get the wheels quartered correctly when you replace them. Formerly, we just had replacement tire bands, but they do not stay in place very well. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25789	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/21/2003
Subject: Re: AF 336- Replacing pull-mor tires

ORIGINAL MESSAGE <<<<<<I recently acquired an AF 336 Northern. The Pull-mor tires are worn off. Does any one know how to replace the? I saw on Carl Tuveson's site that it can be done, but he doesn't specify how. Thanks>>>> Yes,...we have replacement Pullmor flanged rims, with vulcanized rubber treads, much like the originals. These are $15 per pair. (We also have vulcanized Pullmor diedserl wheels now!) Replacing these requires pulling the entire wheel off the axle (Use a wheel-puller, not a screwdriver!), rebuilding the wheel (there are directions for this in one of our website Repair Clinics), and then reinstalling the wheel. If you're careful, you can properly quarter the wheel by eye.....otherwise you need to use a quartering tool, or have it done for you. The only other option is to use the glue-on rubber pullmor bands. These do not require wheel removal. Remove linkage from that side of the engine.....scrape/cut off the entire old rubber....clean surface of the wheel thoroughly.....stretch a new band around the tread and secure it (I use superglue for this, although it's a bit tricky because you can't move it once it touches). We have these bands, too. $5.50 per pair. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25790	From: Ted Larson	Date: 5/21/2003
Subject: painting horses

From the Sn3 list.... From: "ara2060" Subject: Painting Tutorial from The Aspen Modeling Company We have several new horses in S scale that I'll be putting on the web site soon. I've started posting a tutorial on painting one of our new horses. The first images are now on the web site: www.theaspenmodelingcompany.com More images will be posted over the next several days. Thanks for looking... ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25791	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 5/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1887

This qestion made me compare my B&O E8 with my one B&O streamline AM car and my AM B&O heavyweights and LTI B&O B unit and none of the bluish grey stripe areas match. I finds the closest matchs to be the E8 with the heavyweights, and the LTI B&O Alcos with the AM streamliner--Just an observation(car)-T. HIllery > Subject: Illinois Central E8s ??? > > Has anyone out there purchased one of the American Models E8s and > used them > to pull the IC streamlined cars that were offered by Scenery > Unlimited > several years ago? > > I am interested in whether the paint on the E8s is a good match with > those > cars. > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25792	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1887

That is one of the frustrations we have in S-gauge, though it can also be a problem in other gauges. We may buy passenger cars without a loco and hope to add the loco later. And when and if we find it, the paints may not match, sometimes even when the manufacturer was the same. I have received some positive feedback from owners of the IC E-8s that they look great with the IC passenger cars put out by Scenery Unlimited a few years ago. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25793	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: collector items which are fake. Very interesting

http://www.klnl.org/pgFakes.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25794	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: Re: painting horses

> Dear Ted: > Thank you for your step-by-step instructions for painting a horse. > I look forward to your finishing this series as I have a LOT of animals > and other things. > Please do a couple of people too. I encourage you to also do a > person with lots of skin. (Bare back Indian (Native American or Asian), > swimming suited bathing beauty, boy in short sleeves and knickers, or > anyone else.) > I am sure I can use your techniques to also paint my non-humans: > Frankensteins, gill men, mermaids and mermen, trolls, hobgoblins, etc. > > Thank you again for the step-by-step WITH PRODUCTS AND TOOLS. > > Thorin > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:17:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ted Larson <mhrreast@...> > Subject: painting horses > > From the Sn3 list.... > > From: "ara2060" > Subject: Painting Tutorial from The Aspen Modeling Company > > We have several new horses in S scale that I'll be putting on the web > site soon. I've started posting a tutorial on painting one of our > new horses. The first images are now on the web site: > > www.theaspenmodelingcompany.com > > More images will be posted over the next several days. > > Thanks for looking... > > > > ===== > Ted Larson > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25795	From: V KOSOBIECKI	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: The lord is wise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> > > > > The Lord is so wise! : ) > > > > > > > > > > A man walking along a California beach was > > > > > deep in prayer. > > > > > All of a sudden, he said out loud, Lord grant > > > > > me one wish." > > > > > Suddenly the sky clouded above his head and in > > > > > a booming voice > > > > > the Lord said, > > > > > "Because you have TRIED to be faithful to me > > > > > in all ways, > > > > > I will grant you one wish." > > > > > The man said, "Build a bridge to Hawaii so I > > > > > can drive over anytime I want." > > > > > The Lord said, "Your request is very > > > > > materialistic. Think of the enormous > > > > > challenges for that kind of undertaking. The > > > > > supports required to reach > > > > > the bottom of the Pacific! The concrete and > > > > > steel it would take! > > > > > I can do it, but it is hard for me to justify > > > > > your desire for worldly things. > > > > > Take a little more time and think of another > > > > > wish, a wish you think would > > > > > honor and glorify me." > > > > > The man thought about it for a long time. > > > > > Finally he said, "Lord, I wish that I could > > > > > understand women. > > > > > I want to know how they feel inside, what they > > > > > are thinking > > > > > when they give me the silent treatment, why > > > > > they cry, > > > > > what they mean when they say 'nothing', and > > > > > how I can make > > > > > a woman truly happy." > > > > > > > > > > The Lord replied, "You want two lanes or four > > > > > on that bridge?" > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25796	From: V KOSOBIECKI	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: Sorry

Sorry goys that slipped out ... Vin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25797	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: Re: Sorry - (You must have the C-Nile Virus on your Computer)

We understand. Your computer has a virus. It attacked my computer Sunday night, According to a reliable source, i t seems that there is a virus out there called the C-nile Virus that even the most advanced programs from Norton and McAfee cannot take care of. So be warned - it appears to affect many of those who were born before 1960! Symptoms of C-nile Virus: 1. Causes you to send same e-mail twice about your favorite S web site.. 2. Causes you to send blank e-mail with title about exciting new S loco. 3. Causes you to send to wrong person (or message group) 4. Causes you to send back to person who sent it to you. 5. Causes you to forget to attach the attachment of your favorite American Flyer steamer. 6. Causes you to attach photo for personals group to the S-Trains Group 7. Causes you to attach photo of rare American Flyer passenger car to your personals profile. 8. Causes you to hit "SEND" before you've finished the [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25798	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Art's Magazine Idea -- Is this the Answer?

I have been converting my SD60 and modern cars to kadees. Now only the rail size and wheels are not scale. Have found the kadees are less forgiving of coupler height and track height variations as well as mounting height tolerances- led to quite a project getting everything debugged again after running with the big claws. Length of trains with the over 12 of the approx. 50' cars is impressive. Good thing my layout is 25' long. Ken Garber wrote: > > Dennis Conway wrote: > > > If you run your trains on scale sized track > > with scale wheels and couplers, you are > > an S scaler. > > > > That's about all there is to that. > > > > Even that definition is entering a grey area. > > What about those who run scale equipment (with Kadees) but use hirail wheels and > the larger rail sizes. I've been to a 'scale' layout where such was the case. > With weathering and ballasting, you wouldn't know it unless you looked real > close. > > Ken > > To see or post Photos visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25799	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: Memorial Day weekend

Have a nice Weekend everybody. Weeza goin' fishin' up in them thar hills. (today). PS, Baldwin can motor kits ready to ship as of June 1. It's a sweet thing. Get em while we gots em. Only making 250 of them. Steve S-'n-S Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25800	From: TCS	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: heads up

http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/Xupiter.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25801	From: TCS	Date: 5/22/2003
Subject: heads up!

http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,57467,00.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25802	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/23/2003
Subject: Dispatch and taxes

There is a UBI tax of 10% on tax exempt organization income. Unrelated Business Income of a non business Organization. If the Dispatch becomes all Scale the AF people will not be happy. So do it at the ratio of our members. I once collected AF, but I now only convert AF to scale and buy new AM, SHS etc stuff. I may reluctantly buy some Lionel Flyer like the depressed flat car because they won't use O gauge trucks. May do a Baldwin as well. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25803	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2003
Subject: trade for high rail couplers&

i have just recived 8 freight and gondola cars they all have AMERICAN MODELS s scale setup that i would like to trade for high rail . there was someone wanting to trade for s scale . i also need to trade for KAYDEE couplers the same way thanks for the help marv d of line at marvd6848@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25804	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: Testing

Is the message board down????

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25805	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: I guess not!

No messages since Friday - I guess everyone is enjoying the holiday!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25806	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: Re: I guess not!

Ya I thought the same thing! Good to here from Somebody! I had to back check thru yahoogroups to see. I'm just marking out my 6x12 layout on the living room floor to workout a track plan for the trainshow coming up(I hate having the same layout plan ever year!) Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I guess not! > No messages since Friday - I guess everyone is enjoying the holiday! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25807	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: Re: I guess not!

Yes! I thought I had the same problem. We had our national holiday last weekend(Victoria Day). Today I'm laying out track on the living room floor coming up with a new trackplan for the trainshow coming up in two weeks. Just a small 6x12' for shows, I might try going for 3 or 4 independent loops with trains going every which way! Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bull_Gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I guess not! > No messages since Friday - I guess everyone is enjoying the holiday! > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25808	From: hsjobbins	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: S'nS Baldwin Upgrade Kits

Steve, I've been off list last weeks. Can you give a few more details about these kits. Price etc. Did see one picture without details on Paul Yorke's Album pages of West Coast "S" get-to-gether. Thanks SteveJay.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25809	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: Re: Testing

**(((Is the message board down????)))*** Nope! I did a check early this a.m. also at the site,...to make sure I wasn't missing posts!! All is quiet! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25810	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2003
Subject: RailModel Journal Not In Poll?

t doesn't appear your poll included RailModel Journal. They have featured S scale on a number of occasions, including their freight car series, their series on detaiiling particular motive power items and two recent S scale layouts. Paul Schilling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25811	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/26/2003
Subject: S Mag.

I say the internet is the future. I always have trouble remembering web sites, so what we need is to send out every week a summary of web sites with a bref discription. If I can't remember then newbes can't be expected to find everyone either. I will write article and send pictures to others web sites because I can't seem to find the time to do one for awhile. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25812	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/26/2003
Subject: SMOD Series Part 4

Thanks to Richard Karnes, for getting me copies of the Part 4 of the SMOD series by Don Dewitt & Don Thompson with illustrations by Doug Miller. You can see these at http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun19 The other parts are at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/smod/smod.htm ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25813	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/26/2003
Subject: S Scale PRR F7 Antenna Project

Hi Everyone, The following 2 photo links should tell you how I have spent my holiday weekend. If you have ever wondered what REALLY happens to the antenna conduit at the rear end of F Units, keep reading. Rear shots of F Units are difficult to find, but rear shots that show the antenna detail are even more rare. I have a few of them, including PRR photo E16592 of F3 9501-a and 9501-b, which is available from the Hagley Museum. http://www.hagley.lib.de.us/index.html I wanted to add some more details to my S Helper Service http://www.showcaseline.com/index.html F7 A-B-A set. Since I had the parts and photos, it was a project that was going to get done. I did have to get the stanchions for the rear wall cast though. It started back in January when I began making my drilling fixture. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/F3_fixture.jpg Once that was completed, I could drill all of the roof holes in about 10 minutes. It took LOTS of photo research and triple checking before I could be happy with where to drill the holes in the fixture. I drove myself crazy before I just said enough already! I have come to the following conclusions as to where the stanchions are located, and is my opinion based from my research. I don't think the stanchions are in the same place, or are spaced the same for F3, F7 & F9. I will email you with the dimensions I used in real inches if you want. I do know that the conduit enters the cab above the engineer differently between the F3 and F7. The section that goes along the rear appears to be a flexible cord, and eventually attaches to the rear truck on the engineer's side somehow. Here are the 2 links to my model photos: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRR_S_Scale_F7_1.jpg http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/PRR_S_Scale_F7_2.jpg I left them unpainted to highlight the detail. I will be painting them later tonight. I am particularly proud that there are only 3 pieces of wire used per A unit. The piece I formed that goes down the back wall and continues along the side is one piece of wire. The other 2 are on the roof. I can do this because I used phosphor brass wire. It takes the abuse the antennas will get a lot better then brass wire. I can also straighten and bend the wire again in a small area without it breaking. I will post more photos when I get it weathered. If you are still reading this, I have a question. Should I tape off the grills to weather the unit? What happens when you dull coat stainless steel? Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25814	From: Don Abrams	Date: 5/26/2003
Subject: ebay -- delete if not interested.

I recently bid on an American Flyer item and was top bidder, however reserve wasn't met. I received an email from the seller, who knew what my max bid was! Is this information shared with sellers under these conditions? It doesn't seem as if ebay would want a seller to know this, as an offline deal could be struck and they wouldn't get their commission. I'm feeling uneasy about this, as it hasn't happened to me in my over five year experience with ebay. Thanks for your time, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25815	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/26/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- delete if not interested.

Don,.. Did he contact you direct,...or was it a "second chance" from him and eBay? I have gotten one of those before......or am I making that up group?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25816	From: waldootten	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Continental Flyer?

I was looking through some old S-Gaugians I bought at a sale. In a late 1977 issue, there was a story about a "major" company that was formed and was about to build a factory to produce S-Gauge locos, diesels and rolling stock to "take the place of American Flyer." The company was named "Continental Flyer" and one of the principals was a man who reportedly designed a lot of Flyer stuff in the later years of the A.C. Gilbert company. Whatever happened to Continental Flyer? I have never seen any of their stuff at shows, etc. Phil K.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25817	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Spiking

Hi all: I have a few practical questions. I am in the middle of spiking some BK code 125 closed frog switches - but am using code 125 nickel silver track (with miller ties), code ~133 (SHS) and code 149 (AM) so I won't be spiking track per se. 1) Does one put spikes on both sides of a single rail on the same tie, or does one alternate, i.e., spike the 1st tie on the inside and the 3rd tie on the outside for the same rail? (seems this latter might make for wavy track! 2) Does anyone (Don, Doug, Ron, Don, etc.) sell the nmra-type S-gauge standard track gauges (does NASG have one that is similar to it) track guage? I have several of the "rolling" track gauges, but they don't work well for some parts of the switches. I also have some older three point gauges, but they really can't be used also. I can use a truck as I have some SHS hi-rail and old scale bettendorfs/andrews from Ace - but I do have to check the spacing for both. 3) Just out of curiousity - does the old Kadee spiker for code 100 and smaller rail put in two spikes (one on each side of the rail) at one time? I was watching a video as a person was making some Sn3 code 80 (or so) switches and he used the kadee spiker extensively. I will just have to suffer and use some pliers! Thanks for info. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25818	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: My old idea take in all 1/64 products

Make an S Gauge mag and say S is the fastest growing gauge. Those little cars make us #1. We need to take over the car and truck market to grow. They don't know about trains, but we know about cars and trucks. Jim Sleeth aztecfan@... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25819	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: Continental Flyer?

The company never got off the launching pad. waldootten wrote: > > I was looking through some old S-Gaugians I bought at a sale. In a > late 1977 issue, there was a story about a "major" company that was > formed and was about to build a factory to produce S-Gauge locos, > diesels and rolling stock to "take the place of American Flyer." The > company was named "Continental Flyer" and one of the principals was > a man who reportedly designed a lot of Flyer stuff in the later > years of the A.C. Gilbert company. > > Whatever happened to Continental Flyer? I have never seen any of > their stuff at shows, etc. > > Phil K. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25820	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Continental Flyer

Other than the ground breaking photo on the cover of the Gaugian, and a major ad promotion effort at one of the conventions, I forget which 1977 or 78, there was a gal there with a camera crew doing some interviews and passing out some proposed ad slicks...and there may have been some Continental Flyer smoke fluid made or at least ads for it about that time in the Gaugian...and that is about the extent of the Continental Flyer contribution the S gauge. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25821	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Plastic surgery

"SureHold Plastic Surgery", from SureHold Co. Comes in a small squeeze tube, like most superglues. Needlepoint tip has a screw-on cap that includes a long "needle". The needle prevents the tip and nozzle from clogging or hardening when stored. The glue works as well or better than other superglues I've tried, including the pricey ones sold at hobby shows. I THINK I found it iin a Walgreens, but I can't recall, and there's no price sticker on what I have left of the packaging. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 VISA -MC-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, & Thursdays. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... -----Original Message----- From: Borore@... [mailto:Borore@...] Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 12:39 PM To: Doug@... Cc: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Plastic surgery In a message dated 5/17/03 2:58:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, doug@... writes: in small tubes at the hardware store, and it's called "Plastic Surgery". I More info on this glue. Please. Who - What - Where - etc. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25822	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- delete if not interested.

I don't know how they would find out...I recently Bid 177.91 on a model airplane kit...my high bid was 154.49 and I did not meet the reserve at 177.91...I got an invoice from them saying I could have it for the 154 price...I took it of course...maybe it was chance...the other day someone tied on a bid with an odd amount...chance!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Abrams" <donabrams@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] ebay -- delete if not interested. > I recently bid on an American Flyer item and was top bidder, however reserve > wasn't met. > I received an email from the seller, who knew what my max bid was! > Is this information shared with sellers under these conditions? > It doesn't seem as if ebay would want a seller to know this, as an offline > deal could be struck and they wouldn't get their commission. > I'm feeling uneasy about this, as it hasn't happened to me in my over five > year experience with ebay. > > Thanks for your time, > Don > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25823	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: ebay -- delete if not interested.

I both buy and sell on eBay and have never known the maximum bid placed by the winning bidder unless I could deduce it from the bid history. As Robert alluded to, I was the bidder who tied for an item a couple of days ago. I bid $15.67 during the last 10 seconds only to find I had tied with another bidder. His bid was entered before mine, so he won the auction. So it was not difficult to determine that his maximum bid was also $15.67 because his bid was before mine. I also had another recent bid where a last second bidder bid $145.67 and lost to a previous bid of $146.00. Since the bid raise is $1.00 at this level it was once again obvious that the earlier bidder had a maximum of $146.00. So if you know the rules of the game, you can sometimes deduce maximum bids. But I have never had eBay give me anyone's maximum bid. If you enjoy studying human nature, mathematics and learning curves, you can learn a lot reviewing bid histories. They are available for most eBay items following the close of the auction.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25824	From: Ruth Leahy	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Semaphore Man

I am considering buying a semaphore (#758A), but it appears to be missing the 3 color lenses on the arm. Can these be replaced, & if so, who carries these, and how difficult are they to replace? Since I have never had one of these, how does it work? Does the red button, when pressed, stop the train & then the green button starts it back up again? I understand it requires fiber pins to block off the power. Any advice would be appreciated. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25825	From: aglorince	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: Continental Flyer

i have a vage memory of them. it seemed to me that they had plans to aquire the old flyer molds from lionel. it's interesting that lionel flyer production started in 1979. andy lorince --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gale Hall <frisco91@s...> wrote: > Other than the ground breaking photo on the cover of the Gaugian, and a major ad promotion effort at one of the conventions, I forget which 1977 or 78, there was a gal there with a camera crew doing some interviews and passing out some proposed ad slicks...and there may have been some Continental Flyer smoke fluid made or at least ads for it about that time in the Gaugian...and that is about the extent of the Continental Flyer contribution the S gauge. > > gale hall > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25826	From: John G	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: 584 Bell Danger Signal

Wow - check this out on Ebay. Never seen anything like it before. Bidding is at $900 with 3 days to go. Does anybody know if the little man moves or does something? Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3132569902&category=480 John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25827	From: John G	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: Semaphore Man

Mike, Yes, you can get replacement lenses. I put a new set in my "Sam the Semaphore man" a couple years ago. Many parts dealers carry them. When you press the green button, the semaphore goes down & the man in the shack pops out. Red button reverses it. It has a contact that can be attached to the base rail (isolated with pins) to stop the train. See this link for the wiring diagram for the single button 758 unit: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/semaphore.gif The unit you mention is the 758A since it has two buttons instead of one. The two button 758A has two solenoids (compared to a single spring operated solenoid in the 758) so it can stay in the "stop" position without continually holding the button down (like you would with the 758). Units are fairly simple to repair or adjust. John Gasal --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ruth Leahy <ruth.leahy@c...> wrote: > I am considering buying a semaphore (#758A), but it appears to be missing the 3 color lenses on the arm. Can these be replaced, & if so, > who carries these, and how difficult are they to replace? > > Since I have never had one of these, how does it work? Does the red button, when pressed, stop the train & then the green button starts it > back up again? I understand it requires fiber pins to block off the power. Any advice would be appreciated. > > Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25828	From: Kielek Family	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Re: 584 Bell Danger Signal

The little fella looks very suspect! I think he has his hand in your wallet when your not looking! ;>) $900 bucks OUCH!!! Al(I'd like the track gang instead if I had the $$$) Kielek ;>) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G" <NotColdEnough@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 584 Bell Danger Signal > Wow - check this out on Ebay. Never seen anything like it before. > Bidding is at $900 with 3 days to go. > > Does anybody know if the little man moves or does something? > > Here is the link: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3132569902&category=480 > > John Gasal > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25829	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Fire engines .......

Two years ago I put up a web site that sells 1/64 fire houses and even air ports. Now you guys don't know that they have good buildings and they don't know that we have great trains. So we buy fire engines and they don't buy trains. We review trucks and cars all the time. So rather then trying to convert them we should absorb them. A small group of activists can do more then a large group of people locked into narrow thinking. So we need to get all web sites to link to our web sites. This costs nothing. Then tell them that we review their products every month or so in our publications. I have 100's of cars. They are selling me their products so we need to sell them ours. SHS does it with loads. They need 2 sections of track with a truck stop, where houses etc. How about a RR crossing with a train going though and cars and trucks waiting. Guys if we go under then their Mag will add us as foot note. If the S gaugian had added more cars there would not have been a need to a Truck and Farm mag. Now tell me they can't use our figures and buildings to build dioramas. I see it all the time. Where can I get 1/64 figures. I buy the cheap toys just to get gas pumps. I convert toy buildings to buildings I need all the time. The building fronts they package have as much detail as Plasticville and you can get extra cars, details and a building front at 1/2 to 1/4 the cost of what our buildings cost. I'll try and get a web site up to show you or will up load pictures. So don't look for S buildings in our Mag. Look at the Toy Farm market as well as toy stores. I tell you the $5 Blue Box houses at K B's and Walgreens can be detailed and cost less the an old Plasticville buildings. They even have furniture which would cost more then the buildings just to buy alone not counting shipping costs. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25830	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/27/2003
Subject: Great article on train wreck

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134817101_wreck27e.html Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25831	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: Ol' Sam,..the Semaphore Man

***(((When you press the green button, the semaphore goes down & the man in the shack pops out. Red button reverses it. It has a contact that can be attached to the base rail (isolated with pins) to stop the train. )))**** I haven't hooked mine up yet to stop a train.....I just like hittin' the buttons and watchin' Sam pop in and out!! And for the lights! My daughter likes to play with Sam,...of course with me as the Engineer,...I am stopping the train when needed! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25832	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Boxcar ink Removal!!! Do not try this!!!

Well, I learned a valuable lesson in "how not too's". I received this really nice but dusty yellow 639 boxcar and reached for my new fangled bottle of spray 'orange powered cleaner'. A few quick squirts and the dust and time worn dirt buildup was history. Then I noticed a 'creep' in the black ink lettering. The 'orange cleaner' was dissolving not only my accumulated dirt but also the black ink on the car!!! I hurried to douse it with fresh water but the damage was done. Heartsunk now, all I could do was to spray the car with more 'orange cleaner' and it then removed the rest of the good old A.F. black ink from the car. Well, now I have a very nice bright and shiny yellow boxcar and learned how 'not to clean' a old A.F. car. I still cannot believe that 'orange spray' removed that good old black ink so quickly. 'Kicking myself on the behind'! Mikey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25833	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Estate Sale - More SHS

As before...first come-NIB $30 each including shipping in the contiguous 48; 00057 SC GN #53083 00056 SC GN #53051 00055 SC ACL #140441 00075 SS XM CP #230471 00066 USRA SS XM PA #564281 00233 GN #2 Caboose ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25834	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: Boxcar ink Removal!!! Do not try this!!!

MIKEY.....Welcome to the club....at one time or another MOST of us has done the same thing...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "traindoctor2003" <traindoctor2003@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Boxcar ink Removal!!! Do not try this!!! > Well, I learned a valuable lesson in "how not too's". I received this > really nice but dusty yellow 639 boxcar and reached for my new > fangled bottle of spray 'orange powered cleaner'. > A few quick squirts and the dust and time worn dirt buildup was > history. Then I noticed a 'creep' in the black ink lettering. > The 'orange cleaner' was dissolving not only my accumulated dirt but > also the black ink on the car!!! I hurried to douse it with fresh > water but the damage was done. > Heartsunk now, all I could do was to spray the car with more 'orange > cleaner' and it then removed the rest of the good old A.F. black ink > from the car. > Well, now I have a very nice bright and shiny yellow boxcar and > learned how 'not to clean' a old A.F. car. I still cannot believe > that 'orange spray' removed that good old black ink so quickly. > 'Kicking myself on the behind'! > > Mikey > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25835	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: ebay auctions knowing end price

As a sometime seller of accumulated old valuable 'junk' around my cellar (never A.F. stuff). I can click on at the end of the auction and can see exactly whom bid what amount of money and at which exact time the bid was made. ALL the bidders and their bids are thus exposed at the end of the auction to the seller. But it does now indeed seem that the more I bid on ebay for A.F. stuff, well it just seems like somebody is reading my mind while bidding. The bidding does seem to be more and more 'rigged' at times. This is just my observation. But just get together a few 'unscrupulous' sellers that seem to act as a 'bidding ring' ..................and, well, it is very possible to 'manipulate' a price for a nice A.F. item. Again, I am not saying ebay is crooked. Rather it seems some have found a way around ebay's "safe harbor". Things at times do seem to be amiss when bidding......... Again, this is just an observation. Mikey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25836	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: [ Boxcar ink Removal!!! Do not try this!!!

****((( I still cannot believe that 'orange spray' removed that good old black ink so quickly.))))**** OoOoooo....bummer!! I stick with running tap water and a little bit of liquid dish soap, while using an old toothbrush, and carefully I might add!! And, as another thread mentioned,..I use my little ultra-sonic cleaner sometimes. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25837	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: ebay auctions knowing end price

End of Auction prices only show what the high bidder was....it might read 99.99....but his hidden high bid he had placed might have been 999.99....Only he knows that...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "traindoctor2003" <traindoctor2003@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: [S-Trains] re: ebay auctions knowing end price > As a sometime seller of accumulated old valuable 'junk' around my > cellar (never A.F. stuff). > I can click on at the end of the auction and can see exactly whom bid > what amount of money and at which exact time the bid was made. > ALL the bidders and their bids are thus exposed at the end of the > auction to the seller. > > But it does now indeed seem that the more I bid on ebay for A.F. > stuff, well it just seems like somebody is reading my mind while > bidding. > The bidding does seem to be more and more 'rigged' at times. > This is just my observation. > But just get together a few 'unscrupulous' sellers that seem to act > as a 'bidding ring' ..................and, well, it is very possible > to 'manipulate' a price for a nice A.F. item. > Again, I am not saying ebay is crooked. > Rather it seems some have found a way around ebay's "safe harbor". > Things at times do seem to be amiss when bidding......... > > Again, this is just an observation. > > Mikey > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25838	From: keith kuzma	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: ebay auctions knowing end price

The bid history is availaible to anyone not just the seller. Keith traindoctor2003 wrote "I can click on at the end of the auction and can > see exactly whom bid > > what amount of money and at which exact time the > bid was made. > > ALL the bidders and their bids are thus exposed at > the end of the > > auction to the seller." > > --- robert allen conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > End of Auction prices only show what the high bidder > was....it might read > 99.99....but his hidden high bid he had placed might > have been > 999.99....Only he knows that...Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "" <traindoctor2003@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:36 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] re: ebay auctions knowing end > price > > > > As a sometime seller of accumulated old valuable > 'junk' around my > > cellar (never A.F. stuff). > >> > But it does now indeed seem that the more I bid on > ebay for A.F. > > stuff, well it just seems like somebody is reading > my mind while > > bidding. > > The bidding does seem to be more and more 'rigged' > at times. > > This is just my observation. > > But just get together a few 'unscrupulous' sellers > that seem to act > > as a 'bidding ring' ..................and, well, > it is very possible > > to 'manipulate' a price for a nice A.F. item. > > Again, I am not saying ebay is crooked. > > Rather it seems some have found a way around > ebay's "safe harbor". > > Things at times do seem to be amiss when > bidding......... > > > > Again, this is just an observation. > > > > Mikey > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25839	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Re: ebay auctions knowing end price

> End of Auction prices only show what the high bidder > was....it might read > 99.99....but his hidden high bid he had placed might > have been > 999.99....Only he knows that...Bob Yes I have placed some really high....BIDS....The only bid that WILL show is the highest bid plus a dollar or 2...Sometimes that still doesn't meet the reserve.....I can't see how anyone could tell what my max was EXCEPT ME or EBAYS LEAKS.... Example....High bid 29.99....I bid 77.93....High bid will then be 30.99....the first bidder ups it by 2.00...High bid is still mine at 33.99...Closed..I got it ... How would anyone know I bid 77.93 but me....Assuming I did not hit the reserve price with my high bid and assuming we were all over that point ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith kuzma" <keefer1_us@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: ebay auctions knowing end price > The bid history is availaible to anyone not just the > seller. Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25840	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: Trying to find Tom Boldt

I am trying to get in touch with Tom Boldt. Tom did the custom paint jobs for Jettie Padgett's first brass cars, the ones that were featured in the early Southwind Models color ads. I talked with him 2 or 3 years ago while he was working for American Models but cannot locate him now. If you have his email, or mailing address, or phone number, I would appreciate your sending it to me. - Thanks-Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25841	From: joecraig60514	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: wide radius track question/still no digests

I am finally setting up a basement layout with original flyer track and Johnson rubber roadbed. My problem is that I purchased some wide radius track, 54inch, and also a load of the wide radius roadbed but it seems that three sections of the wide radious do not quite make 90 degrees. Four sections are way over 90 degrees. Plus, when the wide radius track is put into the rubber roadbed it comes up a little short on each end and you can't push the tracks all the way together. It is almost like each piece is about 1/4 too short on each end, which would account for the shortfall of the curved section. If anyone has any advice I would appreciate an e-mail directly to me. I belong to three yahoo groups and get digests OK each day from the other two. I still havn't received an s-trains digest for over six months??? I gave up trying. thanks Joe Craig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25842	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: I finally found a site for Fiber Optics

http://www.fiberopticillumination.com/ There are flashers, stop lights etc. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25843	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2003
Subject: CRANE PARTS

I CURRENTLY AM LOOKING FOR PARTS FOR MY CRANE MAINLY SHELL &BOOM E ME AT MARVD6848@... THANKS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25844	From: tigge55@bellsouth.net	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Re: Fire engines .......

Dear Sir- Type in 1:64 diecast or die-cast models in the inquiry slot of any given search engine touch send and await the many pleasant surprises I collect "CODE 3" firefighting and and other first respsponder vehicles. The vast majority of Playing Mantis Johnny Lightning vehicles are 1:64. ERTL, HARTOY, AND SPECCAST produce very good quality 18 wheelers. ERLTL is big on farming and construction equipment. Bachmann's Plasticville structures are now a hybrid of "O" gauge buildings with "S" gauge doors, windows, and other portals. Hope that this helps many of you with your searches for desired items. Fred from NS and CSX Country in Huntsville, Madison County, ALABAMA. UNITED WE STAND...LET'S ROLL! > > From: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> > Date: 2003/05/28 Wed AM 02:03:41 EDT > To: s trains list <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, > S Scale group <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Fire engines ....... > > Two years ago I put up a web site that sells 1/64 fire > houses and even air ports. Now you guys don't know > that they have good buildings and they don't know that > we have great trains. So we buy fire engines and they > don't buy trains. We review trucks and cars all the > time. So rather then trying to convert them we should > absorb them. A small group of activists can do more > then a large group of people locked into narrow > thinking. So we need to get all web sites to link to > our web sites. This costs nothing. Then tell them > that we review their products every month or so in our > publications. I have 100's of cars. They are selling > me their products so we need to sell them ours. SHS > does it with loads. They need 2 sections of track > with a truck stop, where houses etc. How about a RR > crossing with a train going though and cars and trucks > waiting. > Guys if we go under then their Mag will add us as foot > note. If the S gaugian had added more cars there > would not have been a need to a Truck and Farm mag. > > Now tell me they can't use our figures and buildings > to build dioramas. I see it all the time. Where can > I get 1/64 figures. I buy the cheap toys just to get > gas pumps. I convert toy buildings to buildings I need > all the time. The building fronts they package have > as much detail as Plasticville and you can get extra > cars, details and a building front at 1/2 to 1/4 the > cost of what our buildings cost. I'll try and get a > web site up to show you or will up load pictures. So > don't look for S buildings in our Mag. Look at the > Toy Farm market as well as toy stores. I tell you the > $5 Blue Box houses at K B's and Walgreens can be > detailed and cost less the an old Plasticville > buildings. They even have furniture which would cost > more then the buildings just to buy alone not counting > shipping costs. > > Jim Sleeth > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25845	From: IronHorse	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Re: Continental Flyer

I have a continental Flyer. It was made in Japan. -- Roger Hinds To see museum with trains, outboard motors, Many other models go to; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25846	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: GE 44 tonner wanted

I am looking to focus my trains more on N&W, VGN, and Southern. With that in mind, I will be listing some other roadnames for sale soon. Much of it is SHS engines. If anyone has a GE 44 tonner in hi-rail they would like to trade, contact me off list at abeachy@.... Wayne Beachy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25847	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Soldering flextrack

Hi all: Back with some more mundane questions on rail soldering. Anyone out there have some experience with soldering SHS flex track? I am soldering some lengths of SHS flex track together before I bend it to make a curve. I have some "weathered" rail joiners. The flextrack also has some "brown" on the sides of the rail. When I solder the joints, should I remove the weathering (brown) on the rail? What about the weathered rail joiners? Will these solder on reasonably well or should I have gotten just plain nickel silver rail joiners? I do have some HO nickel silver rail joiners so could try them, but looking for some suggestions from people who have had experience with this type of effort. Thanks in advance. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) No, I don't currently have any silver solder - forgot to get some on my last trip to the US and haven't looked here. Would this work better than just rosin core solder?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25848	From: Chris	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: 326 large motor or small?

Hi, I receantly aquired a number of boxes of af and lionel equipment, and am trying to price it. In looking around I see this unit either had a large or small motor, how do I determine what size motor my engine has in it? Thanks Christopher

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25849	From: erielackawanna76	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Circuit for sale

I have a train detector circuit for sale. It senses trains by the electrical noise caused by several sources. It's patented design works great with AF equipment. E-mail me if interested. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25850	From: Alan Evans	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Soldering flextrack

Rance: The Central Ohio S Gaugers just re-did the inside loop of our 4-loop club layout with S Helper track. We did clean off the weathering on the ends of the flex track using a wire brush on a Dremel. Then we took a toothpick and put a small amount of Oatey #53019 "Instant Solder" (containing solder & flux) on the rail ends and some in the rail joiners. We slipped the rail joiners on the flex (notice there are no "nibs" at the ends so joiners slide on easily), with 3 sections together. This was enough to do our 42" radius on one corner. Then using a resistance soldering gun (THE way to solder here), we soldered the three sections together. The resistance unit is pinpoint, so not much chance of melting the near-by ties. Next, using 3 people, we curved this long section to lay on top of the roadbed and set it back to put down Liquid Nails (LN) using a flat spreader to evenly coat the roadbed. We purposely marked the end of this long section about an inch back from each end and DID NOT coat this area with adhesive. This was so we could attach the next section and then easily put ties under the rail joiner areas to maintain uniformity of tie spacing. Interestingly, when the Liquid Nails had a slight haze on it, the three fellows picked up the long section and laid it down on the LN. Interestingly, while this long section was put aside it's "memory" retained the curvature and it was quite easy to lay it on the LN with little or no hassle. I was impressed with this "behavior" of S Helper's track. Most importantly, lay some bricks close together on this long section once it is in the LN and leave them over night. Now you'll need to wire brush (the kind that looks like a toothbrush) to clean the weathering off where you'll put your feeder drops. Again, use the Oatey Instant Solder and the resistance soldering gun. Hope this helps. See, an OU alum can help a fellow Bobcat too!! - Alan Evans Gahanna, Ohio For the extra ties that will go under the rail joiner "joints," you'll need to remove the plastic spike heads and even remove some of the roadbed beneath to get the extra ties to slide under easily. But go ahead and lay the rest of your track and then come back and fill in the open tie areas. Bente and Rance wrote: >Hi all: >Back with some more mundane questions on rail soldering. Anyone out >there have some experience with soldering SHS flex track? I am >soldering some lengths of SHS flex track together before I bend it to >make a curve. I have some "weathered" rail joiners. The flextrack also >has some "brown" on the sides of the rail. When I solder the joints, >should I remove the weathering (brown) on the rail? What about the >weathered rail joiners? Will these solder on reasonably well or should >I have gotten just plain nickel silver rail joiners? I do have some HO >nickel silver rail joiners so could try them, but looking for some >suggestions from people who have had experience with this type of effort. >Thanks in advance. >Rance Velapoldi (Norway) >No, I don't currently have any silver solder - forgot to get some on my >last trip to the US and haven't looked here. Would this work better >than just rosin core solder? > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25851	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Soldering flextrack

Just plain rosin core works fine for me. However, you must have the inside of the rail joiner and the rail shiny bright for solder to stick. If you get them clean it also helps to tin the surfaces before assembly. After soldering you can "reweather" with some flat paint. It is important to do this so you can solder the joint with minimum heat applied and avoid over heating plastic ties. My experience is with AM track but I think it applies to any weathered rail and joiners. Bente and Rance wrote: > > Hi all: > Back with some more mundane questions on rail soldering. Anyone out > there have some experience with soldering SHS flex track? I am > soldering some lengths of SHS flex track together before I bend it to > make a curve. I have some "weathered" rail joiners. The flextrack also > has some "brown" on the sides of the rail. When I solder the joints, > should I remove the weathering (brown) on the rail? What about the > weathered rail joiners? Will these solder on reasonably well or should > I have gotten just plain nickel silver rail joiners? I do have some HO > nickel silver rail joiners so could try them, but looking for some > suggestions from people who have had experience with this type of effort. > Thanks in advance. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > No, I don't currently have any silver solder - forgot to get some on my > last trip to the US and haven't looked here. Would this work better > than just rosin core solder? > > To see or post Photos visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25852	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/29/2003
Subject: Re: Flex track

Dear Rance, I see you have received several responses to your inquiry. I have laid several miles of Tomalco, American Models and Shinahara flex track on modules and have never soldered a rail joint. I do use wood ties at every joint, at least 8. I always stager the joints so they are not across from one another, but several ties away. On these ties, I put two spikes on each rail on every tie. When I solder the wire track leads, I do remove the weathering, clean with wire brush, use good liquid flux, use 63/37 solder (eutectic), use heat sinks, but on the wooden ties it is not that critical. On modules, I add two wire track leads for each section of rail. Hope this helps, Don Bente and Rance wrote: > Hi Don: > I am currently starting to put together some SHS flex track. What is > the best way to do this? I thought that I would put three together > (your nickel silver rail joiners + solder) and then make the curve > that I need. Will this leave any kinks where the rail joiners and > solder are? I don't have a sweep for the rather tight curve that I > will be making (about 23" radius), so I can't make sure that it is a > smooth curve. Any suggestions or comments? > > Thx for info. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25853	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: question about Putt Trains

I just received a postcard reminding me of the availability of Putt's switcher and Mogul later this year. Only problem is, both the postcard photo and the website photo are pretty much blurry. Has anyone seen a sample of these engines, perhaps at a train show or whatever, and can you comment on the quality and detailing of the product? Thanks in advance for any help. Dan Brindell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25854	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Re: question about Putt Trains

I think this is a Putt Loco... http://s-scale.org/albums/view_photo.php?set_albumName=albun15&id=DSC00099 --- Dan Brindell <dbrindell@...> wrote: > I just received a postcard reminding me of the > availability of Putt's > switcher and Mogul later this year. Only problem > is, both the postcard > photo and the website photo are pretty much blurry. > Has anyone seen a > sample of these engines, perhaps at a train show or > whatever, and can you > comment on the quality and detailing of the product? > Thanks in advance for > any help. > > Dan Brindell > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25855	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Re: question about Putt Trains

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Brindell" <dbrindell@w...> wrote: > I just received a postcard reminding me of the availability of Putt's > switcher and Mogul later this year. Only problem is, both the postcard > photo and the website photo are pretty much blurry. Has anyone seen a > sample of these engines, perhaps at a train show or whatever, and can you > comment on the quality and detailing of the product? Thanks in advance for > any help. > > Dan Brindell At the 'S'-spree in Cleveland, Putt had both the Mogul and the switcher. I checked my photos, but somehow seem to have not gotten one of them. The photo in Paul's album is of the Docksider, and these are better looking than it (or every bit as good anyhow). There were samples of them running, so I don't know why I didn't get a photo, (perhaps too many people in the way). Perhaps someone else goa a photo of them. jfred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25856	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Re: 326 large motor or small?

Measure the thickness of the stack of metal plates in the armature or the field. The large motor is 3/4" thick due to its having 50% more plates, while the small is 1/2" You can also compare the motor's size to any of the other engines that only have the small motor. --- Chris <cjbrown@...> wrote: > Hi, > I receantly aquired a number of boxes of af and lionel equipment, > and am trying to price it. In looking around I see this unit either > had a large or small motor, how do I determine what size motor my > engine has in it? > Thanks > Christopher > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25857	From: waldootten	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Re: question about Putt Trains

There are two photos of these trains on the Putt Trains website, although of very poor quality -- they look like they were scanned from a halftone because they have a moray pattern in them. http://www.putttrains.com/pages/engines%20and%20trolleys.htm Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25858	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Site for Fiber Optics

Thanks very much - most appreciated. Paul Schilling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25859	From: The Youngs	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Fw: (no subject)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 25860	From: Howard	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Re: question about Putt Trains

You are right Paul. That is the Putt Docksider. I am hoping to get more from him late this year. They sold out in a hurry. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> To: "Dan Brindell" <dbrindell@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] question about Putt Trains > I think this is a Putt Loco... > http://s-scale.org/albums/view_photo.php?set_albumName=albun15&id=DSC00099 > > > > --- Dan Brindell <dbrindell@...> wrote: > > I just received a postcard reminding me of the > > availability of Putt's > > switcher and Mogul later this year. Only problem > > is, both the postcard > > photo and the website photo are pretty much blurry. > > Has anyone seen a > > sample of these engines, perhaps at a train show or > > whatever, and can you > > comment on the quality and detailing of the product? > > Thanks in advance for > > any help. > > > > Dan Brindell > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25861	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 5/30/2003
Subject: Highrail track/wheel gauge

Does anyone make (and know where to get) a track and wheel gauge for American Flyer equipment. I have seen several people suggest that out of gauge wheels is a very common problem with cars that derail, but I need some way to check it. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Tom _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ======================================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25862	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?

This is a big problem for me, that is, keeping the train cars coupled to prevent train wrecks on the multi-loop layout I have. I tried using small "o" rings from the hardware store and slipping them over the knuckle weights to act as a 'damper'. But some of these cars still uncouple themselves. Anybody have any better ideas I could use to keep these knuckle couplers tight and connected..............short of 'crazy glue' that is! Thanks, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25863	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?

Mikey, Check for anything in between the rails that might be bumping the bottoms of the coupler weights. I used to have a Flyer re-railer that would cause uncouplings by nudging the weights. Exit the re-railer, and the number of uncouplings went down dramatically. Could happen on grade crossings too. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "traindoctor2003" <traindoctor2003@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling? > This is a big problem for me, that is, keeping the train cars coupled > to prevent train wrecks on the multi-loop layout I have. > I tried using small "o" rings from the hardware store and slipping > them over the knuckle weights to act as a 'damper'. > But some of these cars still uncouple themselves. > Anybody have any better ideas I could use to keep these knuckle > couplers tight and connected..............short of 'crazy glue' that > is! > Thanks, Mikey. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25864	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Maybe a $1,000 for that 584 signal on ebay! Egad!!!!!

Wow! Unbeliveable! Had A.C. Gilbert only known!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25865	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?

Somehow I missed the original message, but my assumption is that you are referring to AF knuckle couplers. I have always had trouble with the original AF couplers. Its one (of several) reason I have gotten rid of my flyer freight cars except for operating cars. I like the Kadee couplers but also have problems with them uncoupling. I haven't taken the time ot convert all of my SHS and AM cars to Kadees and still operate them with knuckle couplers. I exhibited at a Christmas Holiday Crafts Show last December and set up a circle of track with about 10 freight cars, partly AM and partly SHS. I was amazed that I did not experience any uncouplings over about a 6 hour period of time. Of course, this was on level track and there were no turnouts or uncouplers that sometimes cause the unintended uncouplings. But if I was having problems with those AF knuckles, I would want to replace them with the AM or SHS couplers. Heck, I would want to replace the whole trucks and wheelsets and get the superior rolling advantages of the new stuff. - Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25866	From: robert allen conner	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?

Why not flip the cars on their sides....couple them and then wrap a small rubber band around the two weights....They won't uncouple now and if they do...they still stay together!!! Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25867	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?

Mike, I noticed that the later Lionel AF had redesigned the weights to be an upside down tee. This may lower the center of gravity of the weight and help to prevent uncoupling. Lionel also used springs wrapped around the stem that holds the weight down. There is obviously a design flaw in the original AF because I read in CTT that when AF folks set up and ran displays, they couplers were always glued shut. I saw in the latest issue of CTT that Lionel has introduced a new milk box car with slides designed into the couplers instead of weights. Wonder if they are preparing for a massive switch over and dumping of the weight oriented system? Scott Dee Maybe trying putting in a spring would work. Has anyone in the group tried spring weight solution. -----Original Message----- From: traindoctor2003 [mailto:traindoctor2003@...] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 8:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling? This is a big problem for me, that is, keeping the train cars coupled to prevent train wrecks on the multi-loop layout I have. I tried using small "o" rings from the hardware store and slipping them over the knuckle weights to act as a 'damper'. But some of these cars still uncouple themselves. Anybody have any better ideas I could use to keep these knuckle couplers tight and connected..............short of 'crazy glue' that is! Thanks, Mikey. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25868	From: rfgiardina	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?

Are the couplers opening or are they uncoupling with the knuckle still closed? It makes a big difference. Are the couplers pre 1956 or post 1957? The solution to the problem depends on the answers to these questions. Gilbert retooled the KC in 1955-56, to solve the problem of coupler decoupling. However the first run of the new couplers were no help. So they made a second attempt. If the couplers are opening, then they must be adjusted according to the instructions printed for conversion KC's. RFG --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "traindoctor2003" <traindoctor2003@y...> wrote: > This is a big problem for me, that is, keeping the train cars coupled > to prevent train wrecks on the multi-loop layout I have. > I tried using small "o" rings from the hardware store and slipping > them over the knuckle weights to act as a 'damper'. > But some of these cars still uncouple themselves. > Anybody have any better ideas I could use to keep these knuckle > couplers tight and connected..............short of 'crazy glue' that > is! > Thanks, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25869	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: FOR SALE SHS REFFERS NEW IN THE BOX

Due to health issues I have a lot of SHS & Am. Models New In The Box Reefers, Stock Cars, ETC. HERE IS A LIST OF THE FIRST They are $35.00 Ea with shipping included. BUY 3 & get a 4oz bottle of my smoke fluid FREE. Mike Strickland 00481 PAYPAL IS PREFERRED But MO will also work 00482 00483 I also have a stock car #00798 00484 00493 00500 00502 00514 00566 I have 2 00567 00592 00610 00798 00799 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25870	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: FOR SALE SHS REFFERS NEW IN THE BOX

***(((Due to health issues I have a lot of SHS & Am. Models New In The Box Reefers, Stock Cars, ETC. HERE IS A LIST OF THE FIRST)))*** Whew,...I'm gettin' a headache trying to match #'s with the rolling stock!! How 'bout a clue to what they are Mike, besides the #? :^) Thanks, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25871	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] FOR SALE SHS REFFERS NEW IN THE BOX

In a message dated 05/31/2003 3:50:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: > > > Due to health issues I have a lot of SHS &Am. Models New In The Box > Reefers, Stock Cars, ETC. HERE IS A LIST OF THE FIRST > They are $35.00 Ea with shipping included. BUY 3 &get a 4oz bottle of my > smoke fluid FREE. Mike Strickland > HERE ARE THE ROADNAMES > 00481 AT&SF PAYPAL IS PREFERRED But MO will also work > 00482 AT&SF > 00483 BREX#1 I also have a stock car #00798 > 00484 BREX#2 > 00493 NORTHWESTERN REF LINE > 00500 TIVOLI BEER > 00502 ATLANTIC & PACIFIC > 00514 WILSON CAR LINES > 00566 PFE ORANGE #1 I have 2 > 00567 PFE ORANGE #2 > 00592 DUTCH CLEANSER > 00610 KANHS > 00798 NEW HAVEN > 00799 NEW HAVEN > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25872	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: FOR SALE WHISTLE CONTROL

I have an Electronic Whistle Control I believe it is for the #324. It has the Vacuum tube. It has a new cord. I'd like $80.00 shipping included. Mike Strickland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25873	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Lionel Gilbert AF Seaboard Coal Loader

I have seen the ads for the MTH and Lionel coal loaders for several months, but have not talked to anyone who has bought one. And I am fairly new to this message board so I may have missed some pertinent emails about the coal loaders when they were first on the market. I was in the upscale toy store near where I live this afternoon and saw the Lionel Seaboard Coal Loader on the shelves, along with Gabe the Lamplighter and another tower or two. There was also a sawmill. I would be interested in feedback from some of those who have purchased and operated the new coal loaders, either the MTH or the Lionel Gilbert versions. - Earl Henry, Jr., Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25874	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: coal loader/saw mill

I have the MTH coal loader which I've 'upgraded' with the plastic tubing over the motor pully to increase the speed. It is a fun accessory and a hit with my kids and visitors. I also have the MTH saw mill. It also is lotz of fun, but seriously noisy. . .maybe like the prototype. Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25875	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling

Earl, that is strange. i have had very few problems with Gilbert couplers uncoupling, if their height is properly adjusted. The thing that has driven me nuts is repro knuckle couplers, whose weights tend to drag too low and bump things and open. Perhaps some of your troubled couplers were repros. You should check your track worklevel and also check wheel gauge.. if wheels are too close together a truck can wobble excessively and uncouple. A surefire way to prevent a troublesome AF KC from opening is to wrap solder around the weight stem with the coupler closed. It's easy to remove, too. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25876	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?

--- traindoctor2003 <traindoctor2003@...> wrote: > Anybody have any better ideas I could use to keep these knuckle > couplers tight and connected..............short of 'crazy glue' that > is! I've had this problem too. There are some cars that just have a certain vibration that causes the weight to work its way up until the coupler opens. One thing to do is make sure the truck is aligned square. Sit the car on a flat surface and make sure that all the wheels touch equally and that they are in line with each other. I had a franklin coach that just wouldn't stop doing this so I banged the car against the table a couple times out of frustration and then it worked perfectly! It must have changed the vibration pattern. If all else fails, a piece of black insulated solid wire (12 Gauge?) wrapped around the weight stem will stop the weight from riding up. And yes, super glue works very well too. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25877	From: davidreft	Date: 5/31/2003
Subject: Selling some of my AFL collection

I have decided to start selling various pieces of my American Flyer collection which I have been gathering and operating over the last 30+ years. I will be going through boxes over the next few weeks and months and adding items as time permits. I have posted pictures, prices and info for some initial pieces on a website at: http://home1.gte.net/res0mew1/collect/index.html A link to email is also there if you are interested in anything or have any questions.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25878	From: rettram	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: OV Digital edition 2003-042

Hello everybody, I have just update my site; The second citadis from France in Rotterdam. Have a nice time on my site http://www.ov-digitaal.tk/ Greetings Marvin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25879	From: RFG	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling?

You need to see if the couplers are opening or they are disconnecting. If they are opening, you have to see if it happens in the same place on your layout. That would indicate uneven track work. If it is at random places, check the distance of the bottom of the weights above the rails. They should be 1/32" above the rail when the coupler is closed. If it is less than 1/32", bend the bolster up with a pair of needle nose pliers. If the couplers are remaining closed but detaching. Add a small piece of tape to the inside of the coupler, opposite the knuckle. You may need to add several small pieces, one on top of the next. Masking or electrical tape will work. This will close the gap in the coupler but leave it fully operational. Hope this helps. RFG ----- Original Message ----- From: traindoctor2003 To: rfgiardina Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling? ---Actually, the problem seem present in all the old (pre 57) and all newer cars I have. Some have k-couplers from 1957 as OEM and some have been fitted with replacement Af couplers in 1957 to replace the old link couplers. I could be off a year or two here, but all the replacement couplers were genuine AF stock from a distributor. Even the newest knuckle couplers from three different vendors I purchased from this year give the same problem as the old couplers. I have taken special pains to level and equalize them and to make certain that they were not off diagonal. All this to no avail! Actually, the ones that give me no problems whatsoever are the 60's type cars with 'pikemaster' solid couplers that I have been getting from ebay. Perhaps the solution really is to glue them together at the weights. Since I am not concerned with 'uncoupling' the cars. Heck, I just want the engine and its load to stay together! In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rfgiardina" <rfgco@s...> wrote: > Are the couplers opening or are they uncoupling with the knuckle > still closed? It makes a big difference. Are the couplers pre 1956 or > post 1957? The solution to the problem depends on the answers to > these questions. > > Gilbert retooled the KC in 1955-56, to solve the problem of coupler > decoupling. However the first run of the new couplers were no help. > So they made a second attempt. > > If the couplers are opening, then they must be adjusted according to > the instructions printed for conversion KC's. > > RFG > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "traindoctor2003" > <traindoctor2003@y...> wrote: > > This is a big problem for me, that is, keeping the train cars > coupled > > to prevent train wrecks on the multi-loop layout I have. > > I tried using small "o" rings from the hardware store and slipping > > them over the knuckle weights to act as a 'damper'. > > But some of these cars still uncouple themselves. > > Anybody have any better ideas I could use to keep these knuckle > > couplers tight and connected..............short of 'crazy glue' > that > > is! > > Thanks, Mikey. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25880	From: Neil Becker	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Copyright on "American Flyer"?

Anyone know if someone holds a copyright on the name "American Flyer"? I received a rail trip offer and the company is calling their trip The "American Flyer". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25881	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: Copyright on "American Flyer"?

Lionel L. L. C. Corporation has a TRADEMARK on the name, "American Flyer Trains". Having said that, there are many other interprises that use the name "American Flyer", and some of them actually have more to do with Airplanes then trains!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25882	From: rfgiardina	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: Copyright on "American Flyer"?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Becker" <afmaven@s...> wrote: > Anyone know if someone holds a copyright on the name "American Flyer"? I received a rail trip offer and the company is calling their trip The "American Flyer". > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] It would not be a copyright, it would eigther be a trade or service mark. Trade and service marks are product specific. So there are several "American Flyer" trade marks held by several companies. To see who has one or has filed for one, go to: http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm and search "american flyer" RFG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25883	From: rfgiardina	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: Copyright on "American Flyer"?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > Lionel L. L. C. Corporation has a TRADEMARK on the name, "American Flyer > Trains". Having said that, there are many other interprises that use the > name "American Flyer", and some of them actually have more to do with > Airplanes then trains! That is no longer accurate. Check http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm Search for "american flyer" RFG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25884	From: rkuepper	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Cable suspension bridge

I recently saw an article or web posting about using picture wire as cable for a suspension bridge. It was about unbraiding and soldering the vertical cables to the overhead cable. As usual, I forgot to mark or print it. Did anyone else see this who can point me to the source? Thanks as always. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25885	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 1, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25886	From: stanley	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

Hi everyone I am looking for some information on the following American Flyer set 1126 I have contacted several people and no one has any idea of what was in this set, the set was made only one year 1956 and is made reference to by Maury Romer and is listed in Bob Tufts book . I would appreciate any help in this search thanks Stan Sobieski ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, June 1, 2003 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25887	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: SHS REEFERS FOR SALE

Here is a list of the SHS Reefers I have left for sale @ $35.00 Ea Shipping Inc. Buy 3 get a 4oz bottle of smoke fluid free PAYPAL OR MO 00483 BREX#1 00484 BREX#2 00493 NORTHWESTERN REF LINE 00502 A&P 00514 WILSON CAR LINE 00566 ORANGE PFE #1 I have 2 00567 ORANGE PFE #2 00799 NEW HAVEN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25888	From: gino restivo	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: ref to ,set # 1126 ? , 1956

Hi All , Stan i have ref to uncat-set # 1153 made in 1956 ,came with ; 289-803-804-806,12-702' # 1b, 690, 710 sorry no list of set # 1126 ,is the label good ? have fun , Gino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25889	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: S Scale F7 set

Hi All, I thought I would post a few quick photos of my S Helper Service S Scale F7 A B A set. I still have to put the decoders in, and touch up the weathering. Then they will be done! Enjoy! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/S_Scale_F7_1.jpg http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/S_Scale_F7_2.jpg Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25890	From: waldootten	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling -- THE SOLUTION

About six months ago I bought about 50 link-coupler "hold-togethers" from Dave Garrigues (he designed them) that do a great job of mitigating link couplers that like to open at inopportune times. I think they cost me about $5, postage included (about $0.10 each). They are ultra-thin black plastic and can't be noticed unless you look very carefully and know what to look for. Can't be seen when the train is moving. They come in a strip and you cut them apart with scissors. Work GREAT! Contact me through email if you have any interest. I can give you his address. I guess he still has them -- I can check. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25891	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/1/2003
Subject: Re: S Scale F7 set

Bill, Beautiful job on the antennas and the weathering etc.....all the way down to the oil stains! BRAVO! Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25892	From: chasesmithus	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: AM SD60 with plow and scale dummy coupler mounted on the front.

Photo (#34 in S-Trains Photos) shows an AM SD60 equipped with an AM snowplow and AM dummy scale coupler. Don't ask me if CSX ever mounted these and if silver is the correct color. I take a hirailer's license with this stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25893	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Re: Keeping knuckle couplers from uncoupling -- THE SOLUTION

--- waldootten <waldootten@...> wrote: > About six months ago I bought about 50 link-coupler "hold-togethers" > from Dave Garrigues (he designed them) that do a great job of > mitigating link couplers that like to open at inopportune times. These won't work for knuckle couplers. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25894	From: John A. Conant	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Rail Cleaner (and then some)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 25895	From: iradiate1967	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Spare parts, trucks for sale or swap

First is a bunch of roofwalks from PRS 50 foot boxcars, various colors. I model the non-roofwalk era. I have over a dozen... Next is three complete pairs of streamlined passenger car trucks with all hardware for the smooth side AM passenger cars. One is assembled, 2 pair are not. There are scale wheels for all. Change the wheels and you are hi railin'.. Next is a mixture of trucks, all the bettendorf type. 7 pairs are PRS, with the seperately added detail parts, all new. There are 6 pairs of sprung AM types, with the metal AM wheels, again all new. Lastly, there are 3 pair of the SHS spung rollerbearing with hirail wheelsets, new. I prefer Non-sprung trucks. I would like to trade these for the NON-SPRUNG Rollerbearing trucks from DPH or American Models, with or without wheels. Would also consider tradin for your excess PRS boxcar stirrup steps or MT couplers... Please contact off list at iradiate1967@... Vince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25896	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: BLATANT AD: AMERICAN MODELS 4BAY HOPPERS 4 SALE

This is the last offering of mine on this list, the rest will go to E-Bay PAYPAL PREFERRED MO's & Checks OK 3Bay HOPPER #3310 Rio Grande The rest are 4 bay hoppers #3402 C&O #3409 MARYLAND #3455 CXS #3461 VIRGINIAN $135.00 for all 5 Shipping incl Or $60 in groups of 2 or more PAYPAL to E-Mail address Checks or mo's to: Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca I still have 6 of the reefers left [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25897	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: BLATANT AD PS:

They are all brand new in the box, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25898	From: waldootten	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Scott's right

> About six months ago I bought about 50 link-coupler "hold- togethers" from Dave Garrigues (he designed them) that do a great job of mitigating link couplers that like to open at inopportune times. > > These won't work for knuckle couplers. > SORRY -- Forgot to change the coupler type in the subject line. Phil K>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25899	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Toronto National Train Show canceled

Hi, folks. Dean Dickerhoof, layouts chairman of the NMRA National Train Show (NTS), just sent me a message about this year's Toronto show: "I just found out that the Toronto train show has been canceled (SARS scare). The convention will go on, but not the associated Train Show. Right now, I've got to inform all of the Toronto layouts not to come." PLEASE NOTE that the convention is still scheduled, and that this only affects the NTS at the conclusion (July 18-20) of the NMRA convention. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25900	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: Re: GNOMY KABEESEE

I have 4 for sale.....yellow and red...my cost 2.99+.21 tax = 3.20...add to that about 1.20 ( will have to check this out to be sure ) total 4.40 to first 4 who want them...I might be able to get a few more.....ore, coach, box are available now....but I didn't buy any of those....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25901	From: firex43	Date: 6/2/2003
Subject: AF Baldwin Repower Articles and Ideas

Please see the Jan/Feb 1990 S Gaugian for an article on repowering AF Baldwins. I used the article as a guide and used a motor one size larger and also used a Dallee rectifier/reverse unit to run on A.C. Also changed the NWSL shaft and connectors for Athearn HO scale universals and telescoping shafts for driveline. Another conversion I have done since uses an American Models Baldwin chassis that has the fuel tank outside detail removed and the chassis milled slightly narrower at the fuel tank and coupler mounts and body mounts made from brass. Will this unit pull! Both units have not compromised the AF chassis or shells. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25902	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/3/2003
Subject: Baldwin motors

In a message dated 06/02/2003 9:16:24 PM Mountain Daylight Time, JKFirex43@... writes: > Please see the Jan/Feb 1990 S Gaugian for an article on repowering AF > Baldwins. I used the article as a guide and used a motor one size > larger and also used a Dallee rectifier/reverse unit to run on A.C. > Also changed the NWSL shaft and connectors for Athearn HO scale > universals and telescoping shafts for driveline. Another conversion I > have done since uses an American Models Baldwin chassis that has the > fuel tank outside detail removed and the chassis milled slightly > narrower at the fuel tank and coupler mounts and body mounts made > from brass. Will this unit pull! Both units have not compromised the > AF chassis or shells. > John Keating > The Baldwin Can Motor "kit" that we are now selling makes life a whole lot easier for users. We also recommend the Dallee reverse unit. No modification of any kind is needed in this installation. Just remove the reverse unit or slide switch (if present) and unscrew the existing motor and drop ours in it's place. We also include a lead weight for traction that is sorely missing in the Baldwin. This can be done in 30 minutes or less and only requires a couple of solder joints. Illustrated instructions included. DC operation ..........$49.95 AC operation with Dallee reverse unit $79.95 These are now available. Steve Blackburn S-'n-S Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25903	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/3/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] BLATANT AD: AMERICAN MODELS 4BAY HOPPERS 4 SALE

The price for the 5 hoppers is $125.00 plus I'll throw in an extra custom painted AM Boxcar Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25904	From: srgriggs	Date: 6/3/2003
Subject: Re: Copyright on "American Flyer"?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rfgiardina" <rfgco@s...> wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington > <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > > Lionel L. L. C. Corporation has a TRADEMARK on the name, "American > Flyer > > Trains". Having said that, there are many other interprises that > use the > > name "American Flyer", and some of them actually have more to do > with > > Airplanes then trains! > > That is no longer accurate. > > Check http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm > > Search for "american flyer" > > RFG I did the search for American Flyer and found what appear to be two registered trademarks for model trains/model railroad products (RF Giardina, and Lionel). Does this mean that RFG can now legally label and sell model trains under the American Flyer name? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25905	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: Re: Copyright on "American Flyer"?

Dear Scott, If you read very closely, RFG has applied for the trademark and it has not been granted yet. When we applied for our, it took about 6 months. The name is posted in the record for possible infringements of other trademarks. We obtained permission from "Showcase Models" who made boats (an that owner had AF as a kid too). Even if it is granted to RFG, Lionel had the trademark could appeal. I guess one interesting possible outcome would be if the courts found "American Flyer" was now in the public domain. Then everyone could make AF trains. Wouldn't that be fun! Don srgriggs wrote: >I did the search for American Flyer and found what appear to be two >registered trademarks for model trains/model railroad products (RF >Giardina, and Lionel). Does this mean that RFG can now legally label >and sell model trains under the American Flyer name? > >Scott > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25906	From: knockbill	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: 0-8-0 tender base

Hi I have an 0-8-0 tender base with a slot, & 2 screw holes in the bottom... I want to put the reversing unit back in it, but the units I have don't seem to mount to the base.... The units I've tried are the 1 screw mounting tender unit & the reverse in boiler unit...The only other 342 I have has SIT, so it isn't the same........ It seems the boiler units screw holes will line up with the base, however, the lever won't match the slot....... My guess is there is a special mounting for this base????? If so, what does it look like, Are the mounting tabs the only difference? Has anyone made the bracket? There is a part # on the bottom of the base, 2461864.. if that helps Thanks for your help John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25907	From: aglorince	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: am overstock still available

the following pieces from my over stock sale posted last month are still available. all pieces are kits equipped with am scale trucks and couplers AM 1128 NEW HAVEN S DOOR BOX BLACK RED DOOR 1 AM 1138 CONRAIL SLIDING DOOR BOX 1 AM 2212 SOO PD BOX 2 AM 2215 NEW YORK CENTRAL EARLIY BIRD PD BOX 1 AM 2216 BURLINGTON NOTHERN PD BOX 1 AM 3206B NEW YORK CENTRAL OSB HOPPER BLACK 2 AM 3211 SOUTHERN PACIFIC OSB HOPPER SC 1 AM 3212 RIO GRANDE OSB HOPPER 1 AM 3252 CANADIAN PACIFIC OFFSET HOPPER 1 AM 3253 GREAT NOTHERN OFFSET HOPPER 1 AM 3254 NORTHERN PACIFIC OFFSET HOPPER 2 AM 3259 UNION PACIFIC OFFSET HOPPER 1 AM 4412 SOO LINE GONDOLA OPER 1 AM 4414 ILLIONOIS CENTRAL GONDOLA 1 AM 4420 BURLINGTON NORTHERN GONDOLA 1 AM 4423 DELAWARE AND HUDSON GONDOLA 1 AM 4425 RIO GRANDE GONDOLA 1 AM 7703 ERIE LACAKAWANA CABOOSE 1 AM 7710 SANTA FE CABOOSE 1 AM 7714 H UNION PACIFIC CABOOSE HIRAIL 1 AM 7716 CANADIAN PACIFIC CABOOSE 1 AM 7718 ERIE LACK CAB MAROON &GREY SCALE 1 AM 7719 CABOOSE BN SCALE 1 contact direct at alorince@... andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25908	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: Copyrights and Trademarks,

I had a Business Law course during college. I remember one topic having to do with copyright and trademark protection. One subject was to study Bayer and its Aspirin. The generic product name was analgesic, Other companies stated producing a simular product. Through time these also were called ASPIRIN. Finally the courts ruled that the aspirin name was common and in the public domain. Q-Tips is another example. But the company owning that name has protected it. That is why the hullabaloo over the Union Pacific name that the fellow with Oddball decals just went through. Intel is protecting the Pentium name. These marks and names must be vigoruously almost universally protected through the legal system if they are to be of value to the company. Don can comment on his reaction to learning someone else was using the SHS mark. He would come unglues, and rightly so. EJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25909	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: Re: Copyrights and Trademarks,

Dear EJ, We have trademarked S Helper Service, The Showcase Line and S-Trax System. So far, I have not known of anyone else using our marks. I can show you a history of at least 60+ years of the UP mark being used and not protected. That is the essence of the current hullabaloo ALL model railroad companies (not just Tom from Oddball Decals) with UP. Best regards, Don A.E. Johnson wrote: >I had a Business Law course during college. I remember one topic having to do with copyright and trademark protection. One subject was to study Bayer and its Aspirin. The generic product name was analgesic, Other companies stated producing a simular product. Through time these also were called ASPIRIN. Finally the courts ruled that the aspirin name was common and in the public domain. Q-Tips is another example. But the company owning that name has protected it. That is why the hullabaloo over the Union Pacific name that the fellow with Oddball decals just went through. Intel is protecting the Pentium name. These marks and names must be vigoruously almost universally protected through the legal system if they are to be of value to the company. Don can comment on his reaction to learning someone else was using the SHS mark. He would come unglues, and rightly so. > >EJ > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25910	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: Have an AM G.N. 80' Empire Builder Sleeper to TRADE

Have a the G.N. Empire Builder 80' Sleeper "Many Glacier". Will trade for B& O or Pennsy 80' Streamliner Sleeper. Will also consider an 80' CNW or Pennsy Heavyweight Sleeper. Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25911	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: ANNOUNCING 28TH ANNUAL FALL S-FEST & S-FEST CARS

Mark your calendars for the 28th Annual S-Fest to be held in St. Louis October 31-November 2nd sponsored by the S" Gaugers of the St. Louis Area Here is our American Flyer "S" Gaugers of the St. Louis Area club website for detailed information (including this years 2-car offering): <A HREF="http://www.trainweb.org/afsgsla/"> http://www.trainweb.org/afsgsla/</A> ATTENTION: MANUFACTURES/SUPPLIERS/DEALERS Please contact me directly by email(jnr59@...) or by telephone if you are interested in attending the Fall S-Fest AND have not received your S-Fest Brouchure yet… Jack Riely, Chairman, Manufacturers, Suppliers, Dealers Committee (636) 561-4670 SEE BELOW FOR A SUMMARY,,,,,,,,,,,, THE 28TH ANNUAL FALL S FEST October 31-November 2, 2003 at the HOLIDAY INN - ST. LOUIS Westport ...where you'll find, as our meeting theme says, "IT´S JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT...A Family Affair!" The 28th Annual Fall S Fest, proudly hosted by the American Flyer S Gaugers of the St. Louis Area (AFSGSLA) and co-sponsored by the CASG , BSG, and SLSG, will feature: ...one of the worlds largest gatherings of S Gauge enthusiasts, manufacturers, and suppliers. ...spacious "trading pit" and swap meet area -- with all tables in one room. ...clinics, model contest, silent auction, train races, and incline challenge. ...special pre-registration raffle; plus hotel sweepstakes during S Fest. ...annual banquet and post banquet live auction. ..."open house" tours of area American Flyer and other S Gauge layouts. ...spouse activities, including a craft workshop, luncheon trip to historic Kimmswick, MO and shopping! ...fun for the kids -- Halloween costume party and pizza party! ...plenty to intrest both hi rail and scale operators. ...same beautiful, conveniently located hotel (Holiday Inn - St. Louis Westport) which hosted the 1999 Fall S Fest, with excellent facilities and value priced rooms at only $75/night (For reservations made prior to Oct. 18, 2003). ...and for the S Gauger who's also interested in the real train, all the railroad attractions of one of the nation´s busiest rail centers, including Metro-Link (our recently expanded light rail system); century old Union Station; and the world-famous Museum of Transportation. Meet us in St. Louis...for an S Fest you and your family will long remember! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25912	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: 751 log loader

Hello Train Gang! Just a quick question regarding the size of logs to use with the 751 . Not sure if it's 13/16" dowel size or if 3/4" will work. Train show this weekend and I'm going to use this loader at the show. I have to buy dowel and get it cut and stained. Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25913	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/4/2003
Subject: Re: Copyrights and Trademarks,

Don, I meant no offense. And I trust none was taken. I was just trying to point out why companies work so hard at protecting their trademarks and copyrights. Most businesspeople that have trademarked their products are aware of this necessity. If they don't protect it, there is a possibility they will lose it, as Bayer did. EJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <robin@...> To: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> Cc: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Copyrights and Trademarks, > Dear EJ, > We have trademarked S Helper Service, The Showcase Line and S-Trax > System. So far, I have not known of anyone else using our marks. I can > show you a history of at least 60+ years of the UP mark being used and > not protected. That is the essence of the current hullabaloo ALL model > railroad companies (not just Tom from Oddball Decals) with UP. > Best regards, > Don > > A.E. Johnson wrote: > > >I had a Business Law course during college. I remember one topic having to do with copyright and trademark protection. One subject was to study Bayer and its Aspirin. The generic product name was analgesic, Other companies stated producing a simular product. Through time these also were called ASPIRIN. Finally the courts ruled that the aspirin name was common and in the public domain. Q-Tips is another example. But the company owning that name has protected it. That is why the hullabaloo over the Union Pacific name that the fellow with Oddball decals just went through. Intel is protecting the Pentium name. These marks and names must be vigoruously almost universally protected through the legal system if they are to be of value to the company. Don can comment on his reaction to learning someone else was using the SHS mark. He would come unglues, and rightly so. > > > >EJ > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25914	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: Re: 751 log loader

We discussed this a while back and Roger Delthony reminded me that he made 7/8" dia. logs for our club's 751. I had measured my logs at home at 13/16". I think bigger is better. On my 751 the larger logs don't rest on the lift mechanism and the solenoid operates a lot more snappily with a bit of travel before contacting the log. Kielek Family wrote: > > Hello Train Gang! Just a quick question regarding the size of logs to use with the 751 . Not sure if it's 13/16" dowel size or if 3/4" will work. Train show this weekend and I'm going to use this loader at the show. I have to buy dowel and get it cut and stained. Al Kielek > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25915	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: Smoke unit

Hi Guys, Anyone have a "Smoke Unit" out there for cheap. I have a 307 I would like to fire up. Also need the piston for the "Chugger". I have some items for trade. Please contact me off list. Thanks Kenneth Stoudt 1016 South 12th Street Allentown, PA 18103 P 610-437-6087 +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25916	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING 28TH ANNUAL FALL S-FEST & S-FEST CARS

--- jnr59@... wrote: > THE 28TH ANNUAL FALL S FEST > October 31-November 2, 2003 > at the HOLIDAY INN - ST. LOUIS Westport > ...where you'll find, as our meeting theme says, "IT��S JUST FOR THE > FUN OF IT...A Family Affair!" Holding this event on Halloween weekend, as it was four years ago in St. Louis will prevent most families from attending. Kids will not want to give up trick-or-treating or parties with their friends. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25917	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING 28TH ANNUAL FALL S-FEST & S-FEST CARS

On a positive note, the Halloween timing of the Fall S-Fest can be viewed as a welcome change for a family with kids. We plan on having Halloween type candy at the kids Pizza party. Additionally, we received many positive responses regarding our family-oriented program last time we sponsored this event in St. Louis and the show itself was very well attended. Based upon initial feedback, we understand that a number of manufacturers/suppliers will be announcing new product with exhibits at this year's Fall S-fest. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25918	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: AM HOPPERS & REEFERS BLANTANT AD

Thank You to all that bought the cars. All the hoppers are gone. There are 5 Reefers & 2 boxcars left. They are $35.00 ea they are: #00566 PFE orange #1 Which includes shipping. Buy 3 get a 4oz bottle of smoke fluid free #00567 PFE orange #2 #00799 New Haven #00514 Wilson Car Lines #00489 Lehigh Valley The box cars are 2 Club cars from NSRC #00806 & 00807 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25919	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: Re: 751 log loader

Thanx Chuck for your reply. I bought some 7/8" dowel and painted it with some red oxide primer, then cut logs to about 6" lengths. Tested with the 751 and....it works great! Thanx once again (gotta pack up for the show tomorrow) Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Smith" <cesmith@...> To: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> Cc: "S-trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 log loader > We discussed this a while back and Roger Delthony reminded me that he > made 7/8" dia. logs for our club's 751. I had measured my logs at home > at 13/16". I think bigger is better. On my 751 the larger logs don't > rest on the lift mechanism and the solenoid operates a lot more snappily > with a bit of travel before contacting the log. > > Kielek Family wrote: > > > > Hello Train Gang! Just a quick question regarding the size of logs to use with the 751 . Not sure if it's 13/16" dowel size or if 3/4" will work. Train show this weekend and I'm going to use this loader at the show. I have to buy dowel and get it cut and stained. Al Kielek > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25920	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/5/2003
Subject: The missssing link...........

As an older AF owner I decided a while back to replace all my link couplers with new knuckles. The knuckles have given nothing but headaches. I miss the old links. The old links would uncouple very rarely once in a while but were easily 'adjusted' with a simple twist of a plier. But the knuckles are a accident waiting to happen. Too many derailments from these new KC's. The knuckles open up on their own and create too much chaos. Even the old AF factory equipped KC cars I have been buying off ebay act badly. Which would be the best style of link coupler to 'retro' back to? Is there a tool available to 'stake' a new link to the old truck? I guess I could use a small sharp tool chisel for staking and a metal bar section laid on end as an anvil, but maybe there is something better? Is there any solution to convert a factory style knuckle coupler truck from the 'newer' AF cars and place a link coupler on their factory KC truck? Derailed here in 'knuckle land'! Thanks, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25921	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: 360 Diesel Santa Fe War-bonnet

Anyone know where I can get the original or repro 360/364 Santa Fe series type front nose warbonnet flag decal to replace my chipped front decal? I am looking for the original very colorful type stripe version to fit over my existing decal. Thanks, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25922	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Camphor, Cedar, is this the "Smoke"

I am still trying to get that great AF smoke scent that my father used to squeeze into the 324 loco from a red capsule into a tiny funnel into the smokestack. What could be the correct proportions of the mix in these original AF smoke fluid red capsules? Anyway, I purchased some raw cedar and camphor oil to try for myself. Placing one drop of this very very thick cedar oil with a slight dip of camphor, I got this rich thick beautiful cedar aroma from the 324 smoke unit. Can I hurt my smoke chambers by using raw cedar/camphor oil? Thank you, mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25923	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] The missssing link...........

In a message dated 6/6/03 2:59:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, traindoctor2003@... writes: > As an older AF owner I decided a while back to replace all my link > couplers with new knuckles. > The knuckles have given nothing but headaches. > > Mikey, I sure would like to know where you bought your repro knuckle couples. it could help others not make the same mistake. Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG TCA SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25924	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] 360 Diesel Santa Fe War-bonnet

In a message dated 6/6/03 3:55:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, traindoctor2003@... writes: > Anyone know where I can get the original or repro 360/364 Santa Fe > series type front nose warbonnet flag decal to replace my chipped > front decal? I am looking for the original very colorful type stripe > version to fit over my existing decal. > > Thanks, Mikey. > Mikey, Try Portlines Hobbies! I f Doug doesn't have it, you don't need it!! Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG TCA SHSP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25925	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: For Sale

I have the following items For Sale. S-Helper New in the Box 00118 SW-9 PRR # 8522 scheme # 2 1997 $225.00 + Shipping AF/LTI New w/o a box #8551 Santa Fe Blue & Yellow GP-20 1986 $225.00 + Shipping please email me direct ( aleisen@... ) Thanks AL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25926	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Off topic: Historic rate needed

Good morning. Does anyone know how much it would cost in 1947 to ride the Olympian Hiawatha from Milwaukee to the Twin Cities? I have a friend who needs this for a class he is taking. Thanks! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25927	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Pantographs and overhead operation

Good morning: I am in S Scale. Good, equalized pantographs can be purchased from American Models (www.americanmodels.com) for their GG1. I build my own pantographs. They are a beefed up version of what was presented in "Pantographs that work smoothly" by Robert Hegge. May 1974 Model Railroader, pages 37 through 39. Mine are beefed up as I have this nasty habit of reaching for something and sideswiping whatever is in the way. The cat is also a frequent, and welcome visitor. S Scale is big enough that a cat is not a problem. Although she wishes I would stop erecting these seas of poles and wire. I attach my pantographs by adding four brass wire legs onto the bottom. These fit loosely into four brass tubes on the motor. If the pantograph hits something, it just comes out of its socket with no damage other than to my pride.) I always place the pantograph directly over one of the trucks. This way the catenary can be centered over the center of the track. For GE style steeple cabs (which are about 34 feet), I place the pantograph directly over the cab as it fills the entire cab roof. 34 scale feet is short enough that a centered pan will not dewire on curves as tight at 19 inches (100 scale feet). When I get Baldwin / Westinghouse steeple cabs (and I will have four), I will place the pantograph on one end like either the South Shore's Class E motors or CTA's S-103, S-104. (The latter two survive and photos can be found on the internet.) I will put a dummy pole on the other end to balance it. My overhead is for pantograph operation only. Catenary for pantographs is so easy to erect it is almost a joke. Again, I learned from a master: "Hanging catenary for pantograph and bow collectors" by Robert Hegge. October 1973 Model Railroader, pages 56-60. I run exclusively with pantographs and have never regretted the decision. Although a North Shore coach with a pantograph on one end does take a little getting used to... Thorin Milwaukee, WI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25928	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re: The missssing link...........

I have the brakeman riveter set, and it will install link couplers and make them look like they were done at the factory. The set also removes them. It is not that hard to go back to links, if you wish to. The old links can be put back on, if they were not damaged during removal. The Brakeman has a tool for that as well... Also, in response to the thread about knuckle couplers coming apart, I have to say that Pikemaster trucks, have been given a bad rap. They roll much easier than any other truck Gilbert ever made, and remain coupled while you run them. They of course are not good for automatic uncoupling operations, and sometimes break. Just my opinion... traindoctor2003 wrote: >Which would be the best style of link coupler to 'retro' back to? >Is there a tool available to 'stake' a new link to the old truck? I >guess I could use a small sharp tool chisel for staking and a metal >bar section laid on end as an anvil, but maybe there is something >better? > > -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25929	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] 360 Diesel Santa Fe War-bonnet

I think that is an inapropriate statement. You may like one supplier over another, but that is only your opinion. Have you purchased from every other supplier? I think you've done a disservice to all the other suppliers. While Portline has many things, he does not have everything. I believe he would tell you that also, he mentioned the fact that he recomends other suppliers himself, on the board. We need as many sources of parts and equipment as we can find. Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Cbtrainnut1@a... wrote: > In a message dated 6/6/03 3:55:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > traindoctor2003@y... writes: > > > Anyone know where I can get the original or repro 360/364 Santa Fe > > series type front nose warbonnet flag decal to replace my chipped > > front decal? I am looking for the original very colorful type stripe > > version to fit over my existing decal. > > > > Thanks, Mikey. > > > Mikey, > Try Portlines Hobbies! I f Doug doesn't have it, you don't need it!! > > Chris The Trainnut Burger > Dayton, Ohio > MVSG > NASG > TCA > SHSP > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25930	From: firex43	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: AF Wheelset Gauging

I have been using a vernier caliper to keep AF wheels in gauge. By using the outside diameter measuring points set for 22 milimeters and placing the points on the wheel tread and measuring the distance at the point where the flange is widest; this amount gives very good tracking ability to trucks with plastic wheels and metal axles. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25931	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re:

g.landers@... wrote: >Where can you get the Brakeman rivet set?? > > > http://www.rivetin.com -- eBay Id: myflyertrains TCA# 99-50024 Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25932	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] 360 Diesel Santa Fe War-bonnet

In a message dated 6/6/03 11:09:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rodgers_carl@... writes: > I think that is an inapropriate statement. You may like one supplier > over another, but that is only your opinion. Have you purchased from > every other supplier? I think you've done a disservice to all the > other suppliers. > My(CB) original Statement. > Try Portlines Hobbies! I f Doug doesn't have it, you don't need it!! Statements and my answers. I think that is an inapropriate statement OK, That is your opinion!! Have you purchased from every other supplier? Over the past 30 yrs I have purchesed from many of the major suppliers! To include RFG, Leveton, Portlines, Joe's Train repair, Dan Olson, and many dealers at train shows who's names I don't recall off the top of my head. I do have their business cards but they are packed away with the portable layout we take to shows. I would venture to guess I have 10 to 15 more dealers in those business cards. I've been buying from people so long that some are out of business and some are dead.(God Bless Them). You may like one supplier over another Yes I do like one supplier over the others because of quantity and quality of products!!! It's called referals. Word of mouth business. The best form of advertising there is. I think you've done a disservice to all the other suppliers. Over the years I have recomended everyone listed above to many people. A Comment made in jest"if he ain't got, you don't need it" is not a disservice to anyone. As to the other dealers listed above,"if they ain't got it, you don't need it." What I think you do need, and this is my opinion, is to lighten up a bit! We need as many sources of parts and equipment as we can find Here is a link to Pauls website. <A HREF="http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?query=S-Gauge+parts+suppliers">http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?query=S-Gauge+parts+suppliers</A> 38 parts dealers alone. Do an internet search and you'll come up with 17 pages with approximately 10 links on each page. You should be able to find something you like there there. I hope I have cleared up my earlier statement to Mikey. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG TCA SHSPL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25933	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 8, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25934	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Off topic: Historic rate needed

Dear Thorin, Today is your lucky day. While surfing my e-mail with friend Vic Roseman at my side, we came across your request. The real luck is that my father in law loves trains and when he was discharged from the Army had some time to kill at Grand Central Terminal (NYC). He picked up a copy of every train schedule he could find. He gave them to me a few years back and so I have a great collection of schedules from 1946. Ok, Milwaukee to the Twin Cities, coach $7.36 (Milwaukee Road schedule, November 24, 1946) Don T. Marty.Thorin wrote: >Good morning. > Does anyone know how much it would cost in 1947 to ride the Olympian >Hiawatha from Milwaukee to the Twin Cities? I have a friend who needs this >for a class he is taking. > >Thanks! >Thorin > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25935	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Off topic: Historic rate needed

Thank you, Don. Thank you very much. This is fantastic. The Milwaukee Art Museum (MAM) is having a exhibit on industrial design that was done here in Milwaukee. Naturally, the Olympian Hiawatha came up. The one question they haven't been able to answer is "How much was the fair to get to the Twin Cities from here?" $7.36 coach. Fantastic. Thanks you, these lists never fail to amaze me. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson [mailto:robin@...] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:24 PM To: Marty.Thorin Cc: Interurbans (E-mail); S-Trains (E-mail); S-Scale (E-mail) Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Off topic: Historic rate needed Dear Thorin, Today is your lucky day. While surfing my e-mail with friend Vic Roseman at my side, we came across your request. The real luck is that my father in law loves trains and when he was discharged from the Army had some time to kill at Grand Central Terminal (NYC). He picked up a copy of every train schedule he could find. He gave them to me a few years back and so I have a great collection of schedules from 1946. Ok, Milwaukee to the Twin Cities, coach $7.36 (Milwaukee Road schedule, November 24, 1946) Don T. Marty.Thorin wrote: >Good morning. > Does anyone know how much it would cost in 1947 to ride the Olympian >Hiawatha from Milwaukee to the Twin Cities? I have a friend who needs this >for a class he is taking. > >Thanks! >Thorin > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25936	From: carltonlowry	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: EBay Auctions

I just can't understand why someone opens an auction with a minimum bid amount, but puts a "Reserve not met" beside it. Example American Flyer 322 Hudson Item # 3133360853 This is a rhetorical observation on my part, but anyone is welcome to try and explain it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25937	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/6/2003
Subject: Re: EBay Auctions

Simple...His opening bid is 99.00...His reserve is hidden....say something like 144.00...when this amount gets passed the reserve disappears....I know someone that put up an item for 99.95 but his reserve bid was 999.95....after a couple of days the reserve was gone....final bid was 7200.00 dollars....He was only expecting 300 to 400 dollars top and didn't really want to sell it....but when the GOOD check came a few days later he cashed it and the shipped the item.....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "carltonlowry" <Crpntr12449@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] EBay Auctions > I just can't understand why someone opens an auction with a minimum > bid amount, but puts a "Reserve not met" beside it. > Example American Flyer 322 Hudson Item # 3133360853 > This is a rhetorical observation on my part, but anyone is welcome to > try and explain it. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25938	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Re: EBay Auctions

It seems that most of us have the same philosphy - If all else fails, read the manual. eBay provides a lot of useful information concerning all aspects of buying and selling with links right there on every page. So if you need answers concerning eBay - try reading the manual.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25939	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Re: EBay Auctions

Were you perhaps questioning why the starting bid was $99 with a reserve of $100? This does seem like a strange thing to do, since setting a low starting bid usually encourages more people to get involved with the lower bids, while the reserve protects the seller from having to sell it at a low price. On the other hand, if the seller didn't want to risk having to pay the reserve fee if the reserve wasn't met, he should have just foregone the reserve and set the starting bid at $100. In this case he has essentially used the reserve to protect himself from having to sell it for only $99. --- carltonlowry <Crpntr12449@...> wrote: > I just can't understand why someone opens an auction with a minimum > bid amount, but puts a "Reserve not met" beside it. > Example American Flyer 322 Hudson Item # 3133360853 > This is a rhetorical observation on my part, but anyone is welcome to > > try and explain it. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25940	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Sourcde of Rivet Heads

Passing following info along from another group: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Another source of excellent rivet heads, bolt heads is the Gallery of Transportation. They supply brass rivets, simulated and real bolts to the 1:32 crowd. The smallest rivet head is 0.016" in diamter. They have a secure webserver for ordering. Try http://www.galtran.com/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25941	From: butchclimax	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Deadman

Hi Group, Need a little help with transformers- I am planning to build a modest sized table layout and need a fairly high wattage transformer- around 200 watts. My question is simple though- Do the transformers with the Deadman throttles have a way to lock them on?? I checked the archives without luck. I'm probably going to watch the trains go round and round and at Xmas time really don't want to be hanging on to a throttle. I have'nt even seen one of the big Deadman models, but they do look COOL!! Any help will "transform" my dreams into reality- Thanks, Vic

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25942	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Monorail for modern layouts

Just noted this posting on the TCA board, thought y'all might like to read it. S' David D. Message: 13 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 04:58:48 -0000 From: "rlplionel" <rlplionel@...> Subject: WDW Monorail Set --- In toytrains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady Burdge" <Brady@l...> wrote: > I think this is the battery operated WDW monorail set and accessories Thanks for the links, Brady. I incorporated the WDW monorail into my train layout this past year. When I ordered it through WD's toll free number, the fellow that took my order also had a toy train layout with the monorail. He was very helpful in advising me that the monorail was approximately S gauge and that I would probably have to raise the monorail piers a bit so the O gauge trains could clear underneath. Here's a few links to my layout pics: http://home.surewest.net/rlplionel/Photo17.htm http://home.surewest.net/rlplionel/Photo16.htm http://home.surewest.net/rlplionel/Photo22.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25943	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Re: Deadman

If I am not wrong, you can lock the controller down into a clip and then its a regular transformer...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "butchclimax" <sager@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 8:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Deadman > Hi Group, > > Need a little help with transformers- > I am planning to build a modest sized table layout and need a > fairly high wattage transformer- around 200 watts. > > My question is simple though- Do the transformers with the > Deadman throttles have a way to lock them on?? I checked the > archives without luck. > > I'm probably going to watch the trains go round and round and > at Xmas time really don't want to be hanging on to a throttle. > > I have'nt even seen one of the big Deadman models, but they do > look COOL!! > > Any help will "transform" my dreams into reality- > Thanks, > Vic > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25944	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/7/2003
Subject: Re: Deadman

Well, Bob has it "sorta" right. You can lock down the throttle lever, but it is not then like a regular transformer, because it doesn't shut off, just drops down to about 4 volts. Lifting the throttle lever is the only way (without adding electrical switches in the line) to cut power to the track. BTW, I like to use a SPDT switch that is "on-off-momentary on" on the variable output. The center connection goes to the track, the "on" side goes to the variable post, and the "momentary on" side goes to the Fixed post (15 or 18 V). Now you have a "panic" switch you can use to turn off the track power (or you can leave your throttle lever down and use this switch)., AND you can use the "momentary" side to pulse the reverse units with full voltage! I have thought of adding a dropping resistor so that it is a few volts below full to maybe save the light bulbs in the train from too much shock--any ideas out there from the electrical engineer types? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25945	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Re: Deadman

This feature is especially annoying when you run can motored stuff. A Flyer motor normally stops on 4 volts but a can motor doesn't. We put kill switches in our module control boxes that are powered from a 30B transformer. On my home layout I don't use dead man controls- when I turn it to off I want it off. The older wiper transformers never seem to wear out for me, though if you look inside they show some wear, and they have a LOT of use. Looks like they'll outlast me. David Dewey wrote: > > Well, Bob has it "sorta" right. You can lock down the throttle lever, but it > is not then like a regular transformer, because it doesn't shut off, just > drops down to about 4 volts. Lifting the throttle lever is the only way > (without adding electrical switches in the line) to cut power to the track. > BTW, I like to use a SPDT switch that is "on-off-momentary on" on the > variable output. The center connection goes to the track, the "on" side goes > to the variable post, and the "momentary on" side goes to the Fixed post (15 > or 18 V). Now you have a "panic" switch you can use to turn off the track > power (or you can leave your throttle lever down and use this switch)., AND > you can use the "momentary" side to pulse the reverse units with full > voltage! I have thought of adding a dropping resistor so that it is a few > volts below full to maybe save the light bulbs in the train from too much > shock--any ideas out there from the electrical engineer types? > S' > David D. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25946	From: Neil Becker	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: K-Line S gauge cars

I just picked up a 2003 First Edition K-Line catalog. In it are a few pages of new S cars. Anyone run these cars? Comments on size, coupler operation, use with old high rail AF engines/cars/track, or newer SHS AM equipment, etc.? List price of $19.95 makes them tempting......... Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25947	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Deadman

In a message dated 6/8/03 9:50:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cesmith@... writes: > This feature is especially annoying when you run can motored stuff. A > Flyer motor normally stops on 4 volts but a can motor doesn't Gee Thanks Chuck! I never found this annoying, I always just lifted the handle up and they coasted a little to the stop. Now it will agrivate the heck out of me! (said with a huge smile on my face.) CB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25948	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Momentary Switch

In response to David's plea - Why would you want to 'pulse' anything with full voltage. Aging of these already well aged electrical componets is at its worst at the highest voltage. Connect thevariable ac to the center terminal of the transformer. Connect both remaining terminals to the track. Thus, either direction (on or monentary on) will connect ppower to the track. Does anyone have experience with MRC's Pure AC transformer? I understand the output voltage is 15 volts, so far, so good. But has anyone purchased or used one? Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:21:26 -0700 From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> Subject: Re: Deadman Well, Bob has it "sorta" right. You can lock down the throttle lever, but it is not then like a regular transformer, because it doesn't shut off, just drops down to about 4 volts. Lifting the throttle lever is the only way (without adding electrical switches in the line) to cut power to the track. BTW, I like to use a SPDT switch that is "on-off-momentary on" on the variable output. The center connection goes to the track, the "on" side goes to the variable post, and the "momentary on" side goes to the Fixed post (15 or 18 V). Now you have a "panic" switch you can use to turn off the track power (or you can leave your throttle lever down and use this switch)., AND you can use the "momentary" side to pulse the reverse units with full voltage! I have thought of adding a dropping resistor so that it is a few volts below full to maybe save the light bulbs in the train from too much shock--any ideas out there from the electrical engineer types? S' David D. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25949	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Momentum Deacceleration Speed

Is there any more modern AC transformer which has a "momentum" deacceleration feature? I know such an annimal exists for DC. If not, does anyone know of plans to construct one? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25950	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 8, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25951	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: DC transformer

Jack, I'm interested in the DC transformer you refer to. Can you give me the manufacturer and features? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25952	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Re: Momentum Deacceleration Speed

In a message dated 6/8/03 6:55:06 PM, jnr59@... writes: << Is there any more modern AC transformer which has a "momentum" deacceleration feature? I know such an annimal exists for DC. >> A modern Lionel ZW or TPCs used with a TMCC/Cab-1 set up has a programmable variable momentum feature. Lionel Powerhouse sources are usually used in either case. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25953	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/8/2003
Subject: Re: Momentary Switch

Alan, I want to pulse with higher voltage to get the reverse unit to kick before the engine starts moving. That way, if my throttle is at a low setting, I can leave it there, and pulse the reversing unit without changing my throttle setting. Particularly useful when doing switching operations. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25954	From: David Engle	Date: 6/9/2003
Subject: Re: Momentary Switch

Oh, as in Maerklin? -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; nsupbnsf@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Momentary Switch Alan, I want to pulse with higher voltage to get the reverse unit to kick before the engine starts moving. That way, if my throttle is at a low setting, I can leave it there, and pulse the reversing unit without changing my throttle setting. Particularly useful when doing switching operations. S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25955	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/9/2003
Subject: Re: MRC PurePower AC

I have used one myself, and I have sold quite a few of them! I have one customer who uses TEN of them to operate his entire (huge) layout. He loves them (obviously!) Have another customer who purchased one, tried it, and bought two (or 3?) more of them. I am impressed with them; although they do not have the power of a 300-watt 30B, they are about comparable to the 18B. Moreover, the unit includes horn/whistle controls that will operate the AM sound systems.....not sure about SHS. This unit has an MSRP of about $215....we offer them at $159! I understand from MRC that a Pure Power AC double unit is forthcoming. -----ORIGINAL MESSAGE----- <<<Does anyone have experience with MRC's Pure AC transformer? I understand the output voltage is 15 volts, so far, so good. But has anyone purchased or used one? >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays: 2-5 PM (EST), and 7-9 PM. Saturdays: 2-5 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--DISCOVER--AMEX--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25956	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/9/2003
Subject: Clinic at NASG convention

Hi Folks I am doing a duel clinic at the NASG convention this July. on Friday the 11th, 10-11am. It will be on the NASG Structure kit for a short time. The main part of the clinic will be on the MRC Prodigy DCC system. Also the folks who attend will have a chance to win a brand new Prodigy system thanks to MRC who donated for the clinic. Don't forgot to mark it down on your schedule. John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25957	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 6/9/2003
Subject: Re: MRC PurePower AC

Doug, Does this Transformer have a momentum setting.........acceleration and deacceleration? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25958	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/9/2003
Subject: Railway Days train show Calgary Alberta(Heritage Park)

Hi Gang...short summary of the show this weekend. Probably the worst show I've been in with respect poor exihibitor turn out and crowds. I guess new committee members and planning and blah blah blah. Oh well. I had all of 3 hours to move in and set up the night before! I'm basically a one man show except for the help of my son Daniel(11years) I had to do alot of hard wiring of accessories, due to my never being able to commit to a set track plan(my fault). But the show must go on! and it did. The people that did come just loved the AF trains and LOVED the operating coaler,logger, Gabe, Louie, talking station. People(parents) gave positive comments on it being the most kid friendly display there(only 30" high). Yes, lots of derailments(fingers,elbows,hands) but lots of smiles. The high point of the weekend was in todays paper(Calgary Sun), which had a 1/3 page colour picture of my K335 being "touched"(grabbed) by a enthusiastic 4year old lad. Flyer still has that magic touch! Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25959	From: jayhoo64	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: Re: Clinic at NASG convention

John Foley wrote: >I am doing a duel clinic at the NASG convention this July. Woo-Hoo! Sounds exciting! Who's involved, hi-railers vs. scalers? Wahkina duelling are we talkin' here? Pistols? Swords? Fisticuffs? Lobster claws vs. Kadees? :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25960	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: Re: Clinic at NASG convention

Hi Chuck Everyone is invited. Scale, AF, Sn3. Hirail whatever. We save the other items for the parking lot. John Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:18:26 -0000 From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> Subject: Re: Clinic at NASG convention John Foley wrote: >I am doing a duel clinic at the NASG convention this July. Woo-Hoo! Sounds exciting! Who's involved, hi-railers vs. scalers? Wahkina duelling are we talkin' here? Pistols? Swords? Fisticuffs? Lobster claws vs. Kadees?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25961	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: Re: Clinic at NASG convention

Hmm, "We save the other items for the parking lot. John" So is it, "I'll meet you in the parking lot at high noon, better have your switch controllers ready!" ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25962	From: rexputt	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: Rex Models

It's good to read there is so much interest in the history of Rex Models. I'm very much interested myself. I've been a S gauger for almost 20 years so there is alot I don't know. I'm looking for someone to do a magizine article on Rex. Interested? Contact me at puttrain@... I will have a 0-6-0 and Mogul on display at 2003 NASG National Convention. I apoligize for the pictures on the web. They will be replaced soon. Again email address is puttrain@... ( my provider only allowes eight letters so there is no room for three t's ) web address www.putttrains.com ( three t's ) Terry Putt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25963	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: Yahoo groups problem

There appears to be a problem with Yahoo groups message search in that it won't search any further when you click next. It's supposed to search a portion of the archive messages, and then when you click next it's supposed to continue the search starting at the message before the earliest message searched in the first search, but all it's doing is searching the same range of messages that the first one did. Therefore it's impossible to search any of the earlier messages. If anybody knows how to get a real person at Yahoo support to look at it, I'd appreciate it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25964	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/10/2003
Subject: yahoogroups problem

Are there any real people at yahoogroups? I have never been able to contact one. It would be unAmerican and contrary to the principles of the Global Economy to hire an actual person when a machine would do. Or sort of do, anyway. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25965	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 6/11/2003
Subject: Toronto update

FYI, for those who were considering a trip to Toronto for the smaller train show that replaced the cancelled NTS, the Southern Ontario Workshop will not have their layout there due to several club members not wanting to go. We had already decided not to take the NASG layout up there. All this is due, of course, to the latest outbreak of SARs and the warnings by the CDC and WHO. We still hope to have the completed NASG layout at our national convention in Oconomowoc. Roy Hoffman NASG Pres.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25966	From: downtowndeco	Date: 6/11/2003
Subject: S Scale business for sale.

I'm selling off the S Scale side of our structure kit business. All the masters, rubber molds and rights to manufacture & sell our S Scale hydrocal kits. A great chance to make a couple bucks on the side while still playing with trains! Ace Auto, Fallberg Station & Blue Angel. Very reasonable. Contact me off list for details. Thanks. Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco downtowndeco@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25967	From: Jon Marinello	Date: 6/11/2003
Subject: (Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list

(Smaller Now) SHS Collection for Sale - The complete list Hello All, I have sold about 3/4 my inventory. Thanks to those of you who bought cars from me. Here is the complete list of what I still have for sale. All items are new and unused. If you want to buy something from me please copy and paste all the info for each line item into your email to me. I only accept money orders and PayPal. Shipping will be added to your total. Thanks, Jon Marinello email: jonmarinello@... --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- EMD F-7 A & B Units (20% off retail) $543.96 + shipping #00900 AT&SF EMD F7 (Passenger) ABA (I can also get you any other in-stock road name and configuration you want for the same 20% off, F3's too!) 53'6" General Steel Casting Co. Flat Cars and Trailers (30% off retail) $41.97 + shipping #00181 TOFC Penn #1 w/PRR Trailer #00310-6 TOFC WM with WM Trailer #00308-3 TOFC D&RGW with D&RGW Trailer #00193 TOFC Trailer Train #1 w/REAX ALM Trailer #00191 TOFC New York Central #1 w/NYC Trailer #00306-9 TOFC PRR #3 with PRR #2 Trailer #00180 TOFC Rock Island w/RI Trailer 48' General Steel Casting Co. Bulkhead Flat Cars (30% off retail) $34.97 + shipping #00157 Bulkhead Flatcar BN PC BM Load #00159 Bulkhead Flatcar CB&Q PC BM Load Extended Vision Cabooses $69.95 retail (30% off retail) $48.97 + shipping #00234 Caboose Illinois Central Gulf #1 #00232 Caboose Great Northern #1 #00218 Caboose Burlington Northern #1 40' USRA Single Sheathed Wooden Box Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00146 SS USRA Xm Pacific Electric 2712 40' Wooden Stock Cars (30% off retail) $27.97 + shipping #00064 SC New York Central 22591 40' Wooden Billboard Reefer Cars 15% off retail) $36.51 + shipping #00517 Reefer Ballentine Beer #2 #00566 Reefer PFE-orange #1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25968	From: TCS	Date: 6/11/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

760 PC ballast car. 8-76 Painted CP yellow. Set will letter two cars. 761 CNW 3 bay ACF covered hopper. 4-03. Painted med gray. Set will letter 1 car. Repaint by UP Building America. 4650 cuft. 762 UP ARMN Rebuilt mec ref. 4-03. Painted white. Set will letter 1 car. UP Building America 763 MWCX 61' boxcar. 4-95. painted boxcar red. Set will letter 1 car. 764 SSW 3 bay ACF covered hopper. 4-03. painted med gray. Set will letter one car. 4650 cuft. Repainted by UP Building America. The above sets retail price $3.50 each. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $6.50, plus $2.00 for p&h. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25969	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 6/12/2003
Subject: Track Gauges

Hi all: Just wanted to pass on some experience with track gauges. I have some old 3-point Kemtron gauges, some new Rollee gauges (latter bought within the last year), and two new NASG gauges. Both the Kemtron and the Rollee gauges are just a tad narrower than the NASG gauge for track! Has anyone noticed this (or was I the only one who tried the rollee gauges first because I thought the slots cut in them for the railheads were quite convenient)? Regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25970	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 6/12/2003
Subject: Sights to see around Nashville/Indianapolis

Greetings, The wife and I are taking off for a week in Nashville, Indiana. We're planning excursions from there to sight see and visit family. I'm curious as to any train stores and museums to see while we are in the area. (Oh, we'll be taking I-64 east from St. Louis.) I see a museum listed south of Nashville, but remember driving past something northeast of Indianapolis a few years ago. Thank you, Bill (nDbr) Trefts wmhtreftsv@... ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25971	From: David Engle	Date: 6/12/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Track Gauges

Is this because the other gauges were made to the "old" NMRA standards? DE -----Original Message----- From: Bente and Rance [mailto:velapoldi@...] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:56 AM To: S-trains yahoo; s-scale yahoo Subject: [S-Scale] Track Gauges Hi all: Just wanted to pass on some experience with track gauges. I have some old 3-point Kemtron gauges, some new Rollee gauges (latter bought within the last year), and two new NASG gauges. Both the Kemtron and the Rollee gauges are just a tad narrower than the NASG gauge for track! Has anyone noticed this (or was I the only one who tried the rollee gauges first because I thought the slots cut in them for the railheads were quite convenient)? Regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) To see or post Photos visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25972	From: aglorince	Date: 6/12/2003
Subject: train show /depot days at orrville, oh.

i'll be there with my AM stock. 23rd annual depot days in orrville oh june 14-15 10 am to 5 pm. train show, train and speeder rides, fare food, operation lifesaver. all beside the fprmer prr mainline. free to public. additional info www.orrvillerailroad.com andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25973	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 6/13/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1908

> You want to see the Children's Museum of Indianapolis. They have an excellent collection of pre-war toy trains. > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:46:54 -0500 > From: wmhtreftsv@... > Subject: Sights to see around Nashville/Indianapolis > > Greetings, > > The wife and I are taking off for a week in Nashville, Indiana. We're > planning excursions from there to sight see and visit family. I'm > curious as to any train stores and museums to see while we are in the > area. (Oh, we'll be taking I-64 east from St. Louis.) I see a museum > listed south of Nashville, but remember driving past something northeast > of Indianapolis a few years ago. > > Thank you, > > Bill (nDbr) Trefts > wmhtreftsv@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25974	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/13/2003
Subject: Blatant AD - Magazines and manuals for sale on eBay

I currently have the following magazines and manuals for sale on eBay: Your Introduction to S Gauge by Donald J. Heimburger: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3134277261&category=480&rd=1 S Gauge Building & Repair Manual – A Guide for the Beginning and Veteran Modeler: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3134278671&category=480&rd=1 2002 40th anniversary year of S Gaugian magazine: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3134284862&category=480&rd=1 Miscellaneous S-Gaugian Magazines: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3134284862&category=480&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3134284862&category=480&rd=1 Miscellaneous Dispatch Magazines: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3134289766&category=480&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3134290622&category=480&rd=1 Miscellaneous Railroading Magazines: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3134291472&category=131&rd=1 If you're interested, bid often and bid high :<} BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25975	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/13/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 15, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25976	From: rkuepper	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: AF Union Station

I have a Union Station badly in need of a repaint. Although I had intended to try to match the original colors, I decided not to bother. There is some light corrosion on the green metal roof, and and the tan color is worn off of the plastic in many spots. Suggestions for surface preparation are sorely needed. Thanks. Dick Aurora, Oh http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album08 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25977	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: The new AF Baldwin

Because of geographic proximity, I had the chance to visit with the good folks at Lionel. During the visit I had the opportunity to inspect a preproduction version of the upcoming Baldwin switcher. As promised in the catalog, the engine has been heavily reworked with a new drive, motor, and chassis. The tooling for the shell has been improved and the details are much sharper in many instances when compared to the originals. The access doors now are more nearly flush with the sides. The windows now have panes and the hand rails that used to be molded-in are now separately applied. The units will have greatly improved low speed capability compared to the vintage engines. The can motor is a new type for them -- it is not the one used in the ALCo PAs. Rather than be an all-out scale model, this effort is intended to give the traditional Gilbert operator an updated Baldwin that will visually and operationally fit right into things. If your expectations are along those lines, I think you are going to be very pleased with the engine. The all-new American Flyer steam engine continues to progress and is still on track for the fall. I have been told that the engine type will be officially announced at the N.A.S.G. Convention in mid-July, where Lionel will have a display manned by several product development personnel, including Todd Wagner. Some test castings of the new steam engine will be displayed. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25978	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: The new AF Baldwin -(2)

In my description of the new Baldwin I forgot to mention the directional lighting and the new die cast truck sides. The later will contribute some needed weight that the originals were lacking. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25979	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin -(2)

Bob, Thanks for the excellent sneak review of the new Baldwins. I'm sure glad I've got them on order. I sounds like they will be a much needed shot in the arm for the AF operator with a quality AF style engine. Not to put down the beautiful engines that are produced by SHS and AM but there is also a need for updated AF hertitage engines too for those who love the AF line. It sound as if there may be room inside to convert them to TMCC.. Carl -----Original Message----- From: rbubeck327@... [mailto:rbubeck327@...] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 1:58 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] The new AF Baldwin -(2) In my description of the new Baldwin I forgot to mention the directional lighting and the new die cast truck sides. The later will contribute some needed weight that the originals were lacking. RB S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25980	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin -(2)

In a message dated 6/14/03 5:51:17 PM, Carl@... writes: << It sound as if there may be room inside to convert them to TMCC.. Carl >> I believe that there will be. Railsounds would require the space of a second dummy unit. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25981	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/14/2003
Subject: Re: AF Union Station

Hello Dick.....I recently re-did a roof for a Union station, this is what I did. First, remove the ventilators(sintered iron I believe) from the steel roof. I used a flat blade screwdriver to gently pry up(90degree intervals) under the fan(s) and when I could get enough clearance, I used pliers to remove the brad completely. The roof had some rust, which went thru the paint and into the metal. To remove this, I used a Dremel tool with the wire wheel. I then dunked the whole roof into a plastic container filled with brake fluid to remove the rest of the old paint. After the rest of the paint had peeled off, I washed the bare metal with detergent(powder and old toothbrush)in the sink. I then used 600 grit "wet" sandpaper to go over the remainder of the rusted areas to polish them up as best I could. I used a hairdryer to remove all moisture from the bare metal roof. It now should be ready for your favorite brand of dark green enamel paint. I also cleaned up the ventilators with the wire wheel and had to re-paint them black, as I had removed the original finish from them doing this. As for the plastic superstructure, after removing the windows(and old glue), I just washed the whole thing in the laundry tub with a toothbrush and detergent once again to clean the tan painted finish on the plastic. The results after this may be good enough for you, but if not, LIGHTLY use 600 grit "wet" sand paper again to "prep" up the exterior, this will give the walls a nice smooth finish, removing old "dings" and such. Rinse all the old traces of your sanding away with a mild detergent and toothbrush, and dry completely with a hairdryer. You should now hopefully be ready to re-paint the tan colour superstructure. Always remember to wear rubber gloves and safety glasses when handling the chemicals described here and follow all directions on labels for use and disposal. And above all Have Fun! Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Union Station > I have a Union Station badly in need of a repaint. Although I had intended to try to match the original colors, I decided not to bother. There is some light corrosion on the green metal roof, and and the tan color is worn off of the plastic in many spots. Suggestions for surface preparation are sorely needed. Thanks. > > Dick > Aurora, Oh > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album08 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25982	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: BLATANT E-BAY AD

Hi Guys, I just listed approx. 25 LTI & Gilbert items on E-BAY. My sellers name is anormal1@... I will be listing 40 -50 more LTI boxcars & some Gilbert stuff as soon as the LTI is gone. I also have some CLUB cars like TTOS that are in their org shipping cartons for those that collect that type of items. Thank All of you that have bought so far. It has made things easier, Mike Strickland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25983	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 15, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25984	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?

Dear Bob, Any chance they corrected the cab so that it is not twice the length of a real Baldwin switcher? Like the AM one has? Inquiring minds are curious? PS Will the wheel contour be like the greatly improved NYC PA that was introduced last year? rbubeck327@... wrote: >....I had the chance to visit with the good folks at Lionel. During the visit I had the opportunity to inspect a preproduction version of the upcoming Baldwin switcher. > >Bob Bubeck > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25985	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?

It is going to take more than a corrected cab & wheel contour to get Me to buy their products . If it turns out to be anything like last years PA it will still be over priced junk.( no quality control & poorly designed) And untill they get a whole lot better they have seen the last of My money .!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25986	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Re: BLATANT E-BAY AD

No but if you win the auction & let me know you are on the list I'll ship for FREE. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25987	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?

In a message dated 6/15/03 9:27:45 PM, robin@... writes: << Dear Bob, Any chance they corrected the cab so that it is not twice the length of a real Baldwin switcher? Like the AM one has? Inquiring minds are curious? PS Will the wheel contour be like the greatly improved NYC PA that was introduced last year? >> The cab length is as with No. 355 and they refurbished the original tooling to accomplish this. The Baldwin effort is deliberately intended to give the "look" of the original Gilbert toy train (not unlike the Postwar Celebration series Lionel has done for vintage O gauge). The all new steam engine will be quite another matter. The new wheel contour was employed on the engineering sample I had the opportunity to view. Hope this helps. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25988	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/15/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?

In a message dated 06/15/2003 7:38:15 PM Mountain Daylight Time, ronnat@... writes: > It is going to take more than a corrected cab &wheel contour to get Me to > buy their products . If it turns out to be anything like last years PA it > will still be over priced junk.( no quality control &poorly designed) And > untill they get a whole lot better they have seen the last of My money .!!! > The solution to that is to install an SnS can motor kit in a Gilbert Baldwin. Very slick operation.... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25989	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?

In a message dated 6/15/2003 10:38:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, boss31@... writes: > >It is going to take more than a corrected cab &wheel contour to get Me to > >buy their products . If it turns out to be anything like last years PA it > >will still be over priced junk.( no quality control &poorly designed) And > >untill they get a whole lot better they have seen the last of My money .!!! > > > The solution to that is to install an SnS can motor kit in a Gilbert > Baldwin. Very slick operation.... > > Steve > Being fully aware of Lionel's patchy history with Flyer, I still suggest that we all might wait and actually look at and run a sample before making a judgement. What I had in my hand looked like it will be better overall than a reworked Gilbert version. By the way, those "junky" NYC sets had pretty nice graphics and sold out very quickly. The two car add-ons are almost no where to be found, so there is a market for S gauge trains with a traditional Gilbert "scaleplate feel". The S gauge community is a small one, but it still encompasses a broad range of expectations. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25990	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?

When I said junky I was not talking about the lettering & graphics on the NYC PA & cars, Yes I must admit it looks good. But at these prices I think that you should at least get an engine that will run with out loose & wobbley power trucks , I have since corrected this but for what I paid for this train I don't think I should have needed to do anything to make it run . It should run good right out of the box should'nt it ?As for the add on cars I think they were purposely produced in short supply. Lots of the dealers did'nt even know that these cars were being made & because of that did not have them. (more marketing strategy?) Who knows ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25991	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: Re: The new AF Baldwin cab length?

In a message dated 6/16/2003 2:35:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ronnat@... writes: > But at these prices I think that you should at least get an engine that > will run without loose & wobbly power trucks, I have since corrected this but > for what I paid for this train I don't think I should have needed to do > anything to make it run. It should run good right out of the box shouldn't it? Yes, it should. No question about it. As for the add on cars I think they were purposely produced in short supply.Lots of the dealers did'nt even know that these cars were being made & because of > > that did not have them. Lots of dealers do not know how to read a catalog. They were there in plain sight for all (both dealers and customers) to see. :) RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25992	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: 1999 TCA CHEVRON TANK CAR #4599

Anyone out there know the approx. value of an American Models 1999 TCA CONVENTION CHEVRON TANK CAR #4599 Mint in the box Also anyone interested in it contact me off list I have it & 2 North Stratford boxcars left. Every piece of LTI went on E-BAY. When I get down to the SIT unit themselves I'll let you guys know. Haven't gotten that far yet. Thanks again to those that bought the SHS stuff, Mike Strickland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25993	From: trainspeak	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: Need help identifying an AC Gilbert accessory please

Hi all! Can someone please help me identify an AC Gilbert accessory I have. It's a McGarry's Sand & Gravel coal loader (looks like a coal loader)? I have posted a photo of it on this list's photo section. Many thanks in advance! Greg http://NicksTrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25994	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/16/2003
Subject: FW: Steamer options

Greetings to all Below is a copy of an email I sent to Don at SHS, and his reply regarding what several of us have been asking about a high-rail/scale coupler option. Roy Inman ---------- > From: Don Thompson <robin@...> > Organization: S Helper Service Inc. > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:52:00 -0400 > To: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> > Subject: Re: Steamer options > > Dear Roy, > The Kadee installations on our 2-8-0 should be no more difficult > than on a freight car. > Don > > Roy Inman wrote: > >> Don, >> Several on the S lists, include me, have wondered if the 2-8-0 steamer can >> be ordered with high-rail wheels and scale couplers? >> Or maybe the couplers are easy to change out, so we just order the high-rail >> version and do the coupler exchange ourselves? >> Please advise. >> Thanks, >> Roy Inman >> >> >> >> >> > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25995	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Newfangled Baldwins

I will be first in line to buy the new Baldwin production, that is, if you can guarantee that they will 'smoke' and 'wobble' like the AF originals! Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25996	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: "PA"/"PB"

Can anyone tell me what the Santa Fe Alco "PA" and "PB" unit name means? Is it 'part a / part b? I have been wondering about this for years. And what would the third unit (engine) in the three part locomotion series be called? I never see a reference to "PC" for the trailing engine unit. What does the middle part of the power unit do in real life (the "B" ) unit? Batteries or fuel perhaps? Thanks for quenching my interest, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25997	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: K-Line cars arrived today

I am very happy with them. The trucks are S scale with metal wheels, so that makes them better then Lionel Flyer and the price is less then 1/2. So I will add a caboose and a couple of AF gondolas and have a great train to run around the Christmas tree. Or should I say Holiday tree for the PC police? Can any one recommend a place to order some new Lionel Flyer. Thinking about the depressed center flat car because that might have the old AF trucks? Thinking of trying the Balwin more to encourage them then anything. That seems to be what alot of us have done for Lionel. I did this for K line because they diserve some support. I sure would like a S steam engine out of them. They could beat Lionel to the punch. The price of the Lionel Stream engine and what K-Line sells their new 027 engine for will be very interesting. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25998	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"

I'm not certain what the "P" stands for, except as a model designation, as in Model A Ford. Units with normal cabs are A units, units without are B units. The B units are identical to the A units, except the only manual operating controls are usually just a "hostler's station" on the forward right porthole (this porthole opens, so the hostler can look out and sorta see where he's going. Many railroads bought their locomotives as a set, permanently coupled together with a drawbar (similar to what ACG did with the 360/1 locos), and often came as an "ABBA" set. The WP numbered them (OK, so this example is an F unit) 805A, 805B, 805C, 805D, but the models were still referred to as "A B B A" The thing that made the diesel different from the steamer, is that a single crew could run multiple locomotive via MUing, so the single A unit was doubled in horsepower by adding the B unit, etc. etc. Is this clear as mud? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 25999	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA vs FA

Doesn't the first letter have to do with the intended service? P is for passenger service and F is for freight. Doesn't the passenger loco need a steam generator? Also didn't one of them have 6 wheel trucks while the other have 4 wheel trucks (kind of like the SD vs the GP)? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26000	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA/PB Query

Golly, I am a bit more informed by Dave. But am a bit more confused by Dave! More mud! Now Dave has very graciously upgraded me in research from my old "aba" to a new "abba" of which I know absoulutely nothing about! Ah well, such is the quandry of a AF hobbyist! What the heck do those middle two 'B' straight -line units do in a "abba"?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26001	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: To A.E. Johnson ABBA

More information! Thank you! I still am confused however about what the B units are. That is..... the long sleek middle car components between the engines. Are they 'crew sleepers'? Or giant battery compartments? Are there electrical Diesel driven engines in these center units that look like plain cabs? Thanks, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26002	From: David	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: Need help identifying an AC Gilbert accessory please

Greg, thats the #35780 Autorama Gravel Loader. Its an HO accessory that was meant for the Gilbert Autorama race set series of toys, but caught on better with the HO train hobbiest.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26003	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"

The P stands for "Passenger". There was also a series known as FA and FB for Freight. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "traindoctor2003" <traindoctor2003@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "PA"/"PB" > I'm not certain what the "P" stands for, except as a model designation, as > in Model A Ford. Units with normal cabs are A units, units without are B > units. The B units are identical to the A units, except the only manual > operating controls are usually just a "hostler's station" on the forward > right porthole (this porthole opens, so the hostler can look out and sorta > see where he's going. Many railroads bought their locomotives as a set, > permanently coupled together with a drawbar (similar to what ACG did with > the 360/1 locos), and often came as an "ABBA" set. The WP numbered them (OK, > so this example is an F unit) 805A, 805B, 805C, 805D, but the models were > still referred to as "A B B A" The thing that made the diesel different from > the steamer, is that a single crew could run multiple locomotive via MUing, > so the single A unit was doubled in horsepower by adding the B unit, etc. > etc. > Is this clear as mud? > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26004	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"

The "B" stands for Booster Unit" The "A" therefore comes before the "B" or after the "B" if running backwards... :-) Carl -----Original Message----- From: traindoctor2003 [mailto:traindoctor2003@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:45 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] "PA"/"PB" Can anyone tell me what the Santa Fe Alco "PA" and "PB" unit name means? Is it 'part a / part b? I have been wondering about this for years. And what would the third unit (engine) in the three part locomotion series be called? I never see a reference to "PC" for the trailing engine unit. What does the middle part of the power unit do in real life (the "B" ) unit? Batteries or fuel perhaps? Thanks for quenching my interest, Mikey. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26005	From: Thomas J. Pennington	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"

The P is a designation that the primary purpose of the unit was passenger service, and as such, was gear differently than those units designated primarily for freight service (F). The A indicates the unit has a cab, the B is a cabless unit, same exact locotive as the A, just no cab. It was common practice on trains in that time period (1950s)to run consists of AA, AB, or other, if there was a trailing A unit, it was reversed, partly so the whole consist did not have to be turned, partly because it simply looked better. To take the discussion one step further, GP stands for general purpose, and SD stands for special duty. Don't know what the E as in E9 stands for. Tom traindoctor2003 writes: > Can anyone tell me what the Santa Fe Alco "PA" and "PB" unit name > means? > Is it 'part a / part b? I have been wondering about this for years. > > And what would the third unit (engine) in the three part locomotion > series be called? I never see a reference to "PC" for the trailing > engine unit. > > What does the middle part of the power unit do in real life > (the "B" ) unit? Batteries or fuel perhaps? Thanks for quenching my > interest, Mikey. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26006	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"

Dear Dan, I have read that these were not the official designations by Alco, the builder, for these diesel engines. But, was assigned by railfans. Has anyone else ever heard this? Don Dan Brindell wrote: >The P stands for "Passenger". There was also a series known as FA and FB >for Freight. > >Dan Brindell > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> >To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "traindoctor2003" ><traindoctor2003@...> >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:44 AM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "PA"/"PB" > > > > >>I'm not certain what the "P" stands for, except as a model designation, as >>in Model A Ford. Units with normal cabs are A units, units without are B >>units. The B units are identical to the A units, except the only manual >>operating controls are usually just a "hostler's station" on the forward >>right porthole (this porthole opens, so the hostler can look out and sorta >>see where he's going. Many railroads bought their locomotives as a set, >>permanently coupled together with a drawbar (similar to what ACG did with >>the 360/1 locos), and often came as an "ABBA" set. The WP numbered them >> >> >(OK, > > >>so this example is an F unit) 805A, 805B, 805C, 805D, but the models were >>still referred to as "A B B A" The thing that made the diesel different >> >> >from > > >>the steamer, is that a single crew could run multiple locomotive via >> >> >MUing, > > >>so the single A unit was doubled in horsepower by adding the B unit, etc. >>etc. >>Is this clear as mud? >>S' >>David D. >> >> >>S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >>All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >>To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >> >> >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26007	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"

FT stood for fourteen. E stood for eighteen. RS stood for Road switcher. TR stood for Transfer. C stood for Century or C-liner depending on the builder. SW stood for 600 with welded frame. SC stood for 600 with cast frame. NC stood for 900 with cast frame. NW stood for 900 with welded frame. There are more but I do not recall them now. Thank you Larry Jackman On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 09:01 AM, Thomas J. Pennington wrote: > The P is a designation that the primary purpose of the unit was > passenger > service, and as such, was gear differently than those units designated > primarily for freight service (F). The A indicates the unit has a > cab, the > B is a cabless unit, same exact locotive as the A, just no cab. It was > common practice on trains in that time period (1950s)to run consists > of AA, > AB, or other, if there was a trailing A unit, it was reversed, partly > so the > whole consist did not have to be turned, partly because it simply > looked > better. > To take the discussion one step further, GP stands for general > purpose, and > SD stands for special duty. Don't know what the E as in E9 stands for. > Tom > traindoctor2003 writes:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26008	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB"

That is true. All Alco model numbers were E numbers and changed every time a change was made in the models. Example E1395, E1395A, E1395B and so on. When Alco brought out the Century series they changed their model numbers to C420 C430 C630 and so on. C = century, 4 = 4 axles and 20 = 2000 HP. At that time Alco took the model numbers that the rail-fans had given their locomotives and back posted them to their line. I have had several official Alco blue prints and nowhere does the Rail-fan model numbers appear on them. They all carry the E numbers. Thank you Larry Jackman On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 09:01 AM, Don Thompson wrote: > Dear Dan, > I have read that these were not the official designations by Alco, > the builder, for these diesel engines. But, was assigned by railfans. > Has anyone else ever heard this? > Don > > Dan Brindell wrote: > >> The P stands for "Passenger". There was also a series known as FA >> and FB >> for Freight. >> >> Dan Brindell >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "traindoctor2003" >> <traindoctor2003@...> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:44 AM >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "PA"/"PB" >> >> >> >> >>> I'm not certain what the "P" stands for, except as a model >>> designation, as >>> in Model A Ford. Units with normal cabs are A units, units without >>> are B >>> units. The B units are identical to the A units, except the only >>> manual >>> operating controls are usually just a "hostler's station" on the >>> forward >>> right porthole (this porthole opens, so the hostler can look out and >>> sorta >>> see where he's going. Many railroads bought their locomotives as a >>> set, >>> permanently coupled together with a drawbar (similar to what ACG did >>> with >>> the 360/1 locos), and often came as an "ABBA" set. The WP numbered >>> them >>> >>> >> (OK, >> >> >>> so this example is an F unit) 805A, 805B, 805C, 805D, but the models >>> were >>> still referred to as "A B B A" The thing that made the diesel >>> different >>> >>> >> from >> >> >>> the steamer, is that a single crew could run multiple locomotive via >>> >>> >> MUing, >> >> >>> so the single A unit was doubled in horsepower by adding the B unit, >>> etc. >>> etc. >>> Is this clear as mud? >>> S' >>> David D. >>> >>> >>> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >>> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >>> >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >>> >>> >> s-trains-unsubscribe@... >> >> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >> All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >> s-trains-unsubscribe@... >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26009	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] PA/PB Query

In a message dated 6/17/03 6:21:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, traindoctor2003@... writes: > "abba" This was a Swedish singing group from the late 70's. Very good too! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26010	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

Just to provide more trivia. I don't believe the PA, FA etc. were railfan designations, more likely marketing did them. Alco: P units had three-axle trucks, and yes, were mostly set for passenger service, but many were also used in freight. F units had four-axle trucks. The B units had just as much machinery as the A units, just no comfortable (Hmm, that's might be a bit of a stretch) cab to sit in and see the tracks ahead (again, a bit of a stretch in an Alco--sorry guys, the crew forward view in these is not great, especially when compared to EMD's " Covered wagons" --BTW, THAT is a railfan term! EMD had F and E (why E, who knows, maybe to be different than Alco) F units had four axle trucks, single prime mover. FP units were 4 feet longer, and had steam generators for passenger service (Technically you would have a FPA-B-B-FPA loco, or even FPA-PB-PB-FPA loco, but the WP typically ran theirs ABB and I eliminated the other letters for simplicity) E units had three axle trucks and TWO prime movers, much bigger loco. Now for "regular" units, EMDs GPs had four axle trucks, SDs had three axle trucks. (General Purpose & Super Duty) So remember, B units are just like A units, primemover, generator, etc. just no regular cab. Now for more confusion, B unit do have a front and back, indicated by the letter F on the sides near the "front" of the unit (A units have this too, as do GP and SD units, which BTW were sometimes set up "long hood" forward, or "short hood" forward, depending on the railroad's preference. And then there are "Cow and calf" units. the calf unit has no cab, and sometimes no prime mover, just more traction motors. Are we confused yet?? Just think what the railroads went through when trying to change from steamers to these! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26011	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA/PB

Larry. that does indeed clarify much needed info. Were the sleek center 'B' units simply fuel tanks or were they diesel engine boosters for the 'A' nose train?!?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26012	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Alphabet Soup

The study of designations for the engines are a hobby within a hobby. And deisels can provide as much trivia as did steam. There is so much to learn and so little time available to enjoy it. And another branch of this hobby with a hobby is the study of the methods used by each road to designated their classes. EJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26013	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA/PB Machines

Great info David, thank you! So then the long sleek units between the 'bullnose' front and end cabs were actually another diesel generator set. I really wondered what those sleek center units did. I thought maybe they were just modern looking fuel tankers. I had no idea that they also had "traction motors in these long units between the 'war bonnet' chiefs. Thanks so much. Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26014	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA/PB discussion.

My understanding of the Alco designation is that the "P" refers to "Passenger" service. Alco also made a short nosed version for freight service, called "FA" and "FB." So there were PA1 and FA1 cab units and PB1 helpers. The lash ups were dependent upon load, service, etc. Here in Reading country we did not see any PA/PB units, just FA and FB hauling "black diamonds." W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must start by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Dewey wrote: "I'm not certain what the "P" stands for, except as a model designation, as in Model A Ford. Units with normal cabs are A units, units without are B units." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26015	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Alpabet soup indeed

Thanks E.J. I had no idea that the "abba" units had so much history. Guess its kinda like all the old history my old car body has on it! Lots of scratches and nicks and very little care Except for one thing E.J. ................. Heck, I care more for my AF train bodies and their history than I do for all the other 'new fangled stuff'.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26016	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: PA/PB

I hope this helps. Long before there were any diesel locomotives the designation A or B was used on electric MU cars & subway cars, The A car or unit always had a control cab & traction motors & the B car had traction motors but no controls. These these terms were already in use when GM , ALCO , BALDWIN& FAIRBANKS MORSE started building what was then & is still known as carbody type units . With that understanding in place it should make it easy to understand that a B unit is a complete locomotive but with no controls so it needs an A unit to operate. This configuration was used on carbody and yes on Geeps( roadswitchers & some switchers) that had no cabs. The real reason for units without cabs was an effort to save on the cost of controls & was soon found out not to be that much of a savings in the long run. & while on the subject any number of units can be MUed together then & now as long as the number of traction motors is not more than 24 under current FRA rules.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26017	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Many traction motors

Ron, thanks for the input! You really cleared up my questions of the 'b' units. I did not know that the sleek center units were actually traction motors. Did these center units contain a actual diesel set for power generation? Or were they simply motor units driven by the upfront generator 'bullnose diesel? I actually thought they were 'living quarters' for the crew and possibly sleek looking fuel storage units to feed the front diesel 'bull' unit. Thanks Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26018	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

--- David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: > Just to provide more trivia. snip > Now for more confusion, B unit do > have a front and back, > indicated by the letter F on the sides near the > "front" of the unit (A units > have this too, as do GP and SD units, which BTW were > sometimes set up "long > hood" forward, or "short hood" forward, depending on > the railroad's > preference. snip Hi guys..... I spent some time with Gary Baloun this weekend at the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railway near Cleveland Their roster is almost entirely ALCO's except for EX US Army #2014 EMD SW-8 and EX USAF #1243 44-Tonner The main power consists of (4) FPA-4's EX CN #6777, #6771, #6767 and #6780 except they have been retrofitted with the larger motor. Also an RS-18 #1822 - EX CP #8779. All of the above actually buit by the Montreal Locomotive Works with ALCO material for the CN & CP. Only 36 FPA-4's were made between Jan 1958 and May 1959. The RS-3 #4099 - EX D&H #4099 was built in 1952 at Schenectady, N.Y. The RSD-5 #1689 - EX Western Maryland was running but in the shop for routine maintenance. I rode on #6777 and also a C-420 #365 - EX ACL #127 (built 1965) The C-420 has a selector switch for front hood, rear hood or booster operation. regards..... Clay ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26019	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

on 6/17/03 7:34 AM, David Dewey at djdewey@... wrote: > And then there are "Cow and calf" units. the calf unit has no cab, and > sometimes no prime mover, just more traction motors. "Calf" units all had prime movers. If there was no prime mover and only weight on top of traction motors, it was a "slug." Later on some "slugs" were used in road service and some received different names such as MATE is a GE term and TEBU is an SP term. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26020	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: PA/PB

The neat thing about the Gilbert PA/PB diesels is that they DID seem sleek and powerful as you say. They were toys. At their best, toys are magical in that way. You could pretend that they had crew quarters or tons of fuel or even a secret rocket research laboratory in the B unit! Or, you could pretend that it was a big powerful locomotive. But, whatever you pretended, was exciting and fun. That is the difference between a scale model and a toy. A toy has ways of inviting the user's mind into it that may not be exactly proportional and correct, but are exciting to the imagination. A scale model may have selective compression, which brings it down to a useable or feasible size but creates an accurate impression of the original. I think Gilbert was trying to provide both kinds of fun at the same time. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26021	From: aglorince	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

to add more confusion model magazine articles often make references to phases of a unit. these corespond to major appearance changes such as larger fans, different radiator covers or louver configurations these designations are imposed by the modelers. andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26022	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

You must remember with EMC and they were not EMD when these diesels were being started. The letters were as follows. E means 1800 HP The first passenger units were 1800 HP. FT means 1400 HP and the first freight unit From was 2900 hp. The first FT was a 2 unit permanently coupled engine. The A unit did not have Batteries or a battery generator. It receives all of it's auxiliary power from the B unit. As far as the switchers were lettered SC, SW, NC and NW. S meant 600 HP, N meant 900 HP, W meant welded frame and C meant cast frame. About now General Motors bought EMC and it became EMD of General Motors These letters continued to be used but things changed with the models and the letters soon meant nothing. They dropped the cast frame. BL was Branch line GP General purpose SD Special duty MP probably multi pourpuse As far as Alco models go there are no model numbers in their records except the "E" numbers until the Century line was started and then they back dated their records to include the rail-fan model numbers. I can put you in touch with a guy I consider an Alco expert. Oh yes one thing I forgot. Alco did drop the E numbers for the DL numbers. Thank you Larry Jackman On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 10:34 AM, David Dewey wrote: > Just to provide more trivia. > I don't believe the PA, FA etc. were railfan designations, more likely > marketing did them. > Alco: P units had three-axle trucks, and yes, were mostly set for > passenger > service, but many were also used in freight. F units had four-axle > trucks. > The B units had just as much machinery as the A units, just no > comfortable > (Hmm, that's might be a bit of a stretch) cab to sit in and see the > tracks > ahead (again, a bit of a stretch in an Alco--sorry guys, the crew > forward > view in these is not great, especially when compared to EMD's " > Covered wagons" --BTW, THAT is a railfan term! > EMD had F and E (why E, who knows, maybe to be different than Alco) F > units > had four axle trucks, single prime mover. FP units were 4 feet longer, > and > h

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26023	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: PA/PB

A "B" unit is exactly like an "A" unit except it does not have a cab and controls Thank you Larry Jackman On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 12:14 PM, traindoctor2003 wrote: > Larry. that does indeed clarify much needed info. > Were the sleek center 'B' units simply fuel tanks or were they diesel > engine boosters for the 'A' nose train?!? > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26024	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

--- ljack70117@... scrawled: > You must remember with EMC and they were not EMD > when these diesels > were being started. The letters were as follows. E > means 1800 HP The snip Larry..... I never realized the wealth of knowledge you posess Great Post!!!! regards.... Clay ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26025	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: A.C. Gilbert For Sale

I have an A.C. Gilbert #3 1/2 erector set for sale in the original cardboard box. Also, for the Gilbert collector, a Gilbert Puzzles set (#1032) for sale in the original box. The erector set is from the 1920s (I think) & the Puzzles set has a 1920 instruction sheet (copyright), but the box shows 1940 for a copyright. Contact me off the list if interested (before I place these on ebay). I could email you pictures. Make me an offer. Mike Leahy P.S. Would consider trades for interesting American Flyer s

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26026	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

ALL, Some "B" units had "hossler" controls for moving them separately around the railroad, but not for mainline use. Hossler normally ran unit with his head stuck out a porthole in an end or side at an end, to be able to see. Will try to locate picture I saw in the past yr. The PRR placed an "F" on one end of most non-steam bi-directional units (GG-1's for instance) to denote the front for shop purposes. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26027	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

Dear Jim, I think the FRA regulations require ALL units to have an "F" to denote the front. I have several dozen EMD lettering diagrams (as well as a bunch of CNJ drawings for all mfg.. of diesel) and every one has an "F" on the front end, A's, B's and others. Don WJJIM@... wrote: >ALL, > Some "B" units had "hossler" controls for moving them separately around >the railroad, but not for mainline use. Hossler normally ran unit with his >head stuck out a porthole in an end or side at an end, to be able to see. Will >try to locate picture I saw in the past yr. > The PRR placed an "F" on one end of most non-steam bi-directional units >(GG-1's for instance) to denote the front for shop purposes. > Jim Lyle > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26028	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

Yes, most B units had "hostler" controls, on the Right Front end. I know in the EMD F units, that porthole is made a bit differently than the others, as it opens inward, allowing the hostler to stick his head out, and sorta see where he's going. The control stand is very rudimentary, just enough to allow the engine only to be "driven" to wherever it is needed in the yard or shop area. The other portholes are fixed windows, they do not open. In fact, the glass is held in with a very strange-looking gasket (That fortunately was still available when we restored the WP 805A in Portola.) I still suspect the Alco P and F designations originated in the marketing department! Those guys did all sorts of stuff to sell locomotives! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26029	From: Mike Vana	Date: 6/17/2003
Subject: Alco corrections

It was written: The RSD-5 #1689 - EX Western Maryland was running but in the shop for routine maintenance. I rode on #6777 and also a C-420 #365 - EX ACL #127 (built 1965) ------------------------ The 1689 may be painted WM, but it's ex Chicago & North Western 1689. ACL never had C420's ; that engine is likely ex Seaboard Air Line 127. I saw a C420 of that number in McAlester Oklahoma in 1999; maybe it's the same unit. Mike Vana, Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26030	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Alco corrections

> --- Mike Vana <amflyer@...> scrawled: > > It was written: > > > > The RSD-5 #1689 - EX Western Maryland was running > > but > > in the shop for routine maintenance. > > I rode on #6777 and also a C-420 #365 - EX ACL > #127 > > (built 1965) > > ------------------------ > > The 1689 may be painted WM, but it's ex Chicago & > > North Western > > 1689. > Correct...I don't know what I was thinking...thanks > > > ACL never had C420's ; that engine is likely ex > > Seaboard Air Line 127. > > I saw a C420 of that number in McAlester Oklahoma > in > > 1999; maybe > > it's the same unit. > > > > Mike Vana, Omaha, NE. > > CVSR claims ACL Check out their roster at www.cvsr.com/roster.shtml regards.... Clay ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26031	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: MD/PA/VA/WV shows 6/21 & 6/22

Any shows in MD/PA/VA/WV 6/21 & 6/22? Peter Ervin Cumberland, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26032	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

Ok, where can I see a real PA / PB on display? At a museum somewhere?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26033	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff - Link to neat photo!

Ok, hear is a photo of one of the auctions of a Real / Prototype Santa Fe PA/PB when it was on tour back when? I captured it from an eBay auction that I did not win! It is amazing to me how much this loco looks like our AF Santa Fe models. http://www.myflyertrains.org/images/alco.htm Enjoy...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26034	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

A Real PA/PB? AAAUGH, here is the saddest of stories. At one time four PA were left in the USA, and then they were leased to Mexico railways. Then there were mishaps, electrical fires, etc. Eventually two were "restored" for museum work down there, and the other two were left to rot and be cannibalized for tortilla cookers, etc. etc. Meantime, the power trucks were scrapped (somewhat unique to this loco). After much negotiation, a coalition of the Smithsonian and Doyle McCormick (0f 4449 fame) was able to obtain the hulks (Valuable heritage artifacts to the Mexicans -- Huh???). One is to be cosmetically restored in the Santa Fe scheme to be displayed by the Smithsonian, the other is being restored to operation by Doyle. There is a Website: http://www.nkp190.com/ The trucks they are using came from some scrapped Canadian Alco locos and are very similar to the originals.\ Following was copied from the http://exotic.railfan.net/PA.htm site, I believe the B unit is now scrapped. Survivors: It is very sad that the most beautiful diesel locomotive ever built was not preserved well. Of 250 cab units built, only 7 are currently known to exist. Three PA-2s were sold to the Brazilian National Railway and all 3 remain. One is in decent condition at the Museum of History & Culture in Brazil, while the other two units rust away in a backlot. There are currently no plans to restore these units and return them to the U.S. In 1967, Santa Fe sold 4 PAs to the Delaware and Hudson Railroad. They were rebuilt and used to power commuter trains and special excursions. In 1978 the 4 units were leased and later sold to the National Railway of Mexico. Eventually D&H #17&19 (they still used the D&H numbers) were placed in museums in Mexico. Although they are in operational condition, it is unlikely they will run again. Number 16 and 18, however still exist as wrecked hulks. They could be restored to service with a lot of work. These two units finally returned to the U.S. in 2000. Number 18 will be rebuilt and used for excursion service as NKP #190, while #16 will be cosmetically restored in ATSF warbonnet and displayed at the Smithsonian. These two "incredible hulks" will be exciting to see when they are finished! In addition, one B unit still exists as heater car #252. (Former Rio Grande 6012)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26035	From: knockbill	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: 342 DC

Hi Guys, With all the "real diesel" talk recently, I thought I'd offer a project I have been working on...... I picked up a 342 DC at York, with the wrong tender base... I had a AC base in stock & since the layout is all AC, my choices were to run the track on DC or convert the engine to AC,,, I decided to leave the DC motor in the engine, & wire an original flyer reverse unit in the tender to switch polarity to the motor thru a bridge rectifier, to reverse directions.... I have the motor only running DC, & the smoke unit, lights, and reverse unit coil is AC....... seems to work very well & the reverse unit plate (armiture) doesn't get magnetized & stuck...And the best part is, I left the original motor in the engine, where I won't lose it if I want to convert it back!! Has anyone else done this? Any comments, or future problems to look for? Thanks, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26036	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: C or GP?

Greetings, OK, I'm reading through my JD data book. It's kinda' confusing. It looks like the Cs were rebuilt experimental GPs from 1927-28. The book shows that serial number 200111 was the first C built in March of 1928, then serial 200202 was the last built in April of 1928. The serial number is on a brass plate under the gearshift lever. (Later tractor ID plates state the model.) Your post to the list said it was a 1926. How did you determine this date? Good Luck, Bill ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26037	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Re: 342 DC

--- knockbill <jdefelice@...> wrote: > I decided to leave the DC motor in the engine, & wire an original > flyer reverse unit in the tender to switch polarity to the motor thru > > a bridge rectifier, to reverse directions. I have the motor only > running DC, & the smoke unit, lights, and reverse unit coil is > AC. Has anyone else done this? Any comments, or future problems to > look for? I did this with a 332DC and it ran great, (until it plunged off the table onto the concrete floor.) One difference was that it would not stop in isolated track sections powered by a lockout eliminator or a 10 watt resistor. It just blew right by the red semaphore signals or the talking station. Smashed right into the cow on the track too. It didn't hardly even slow down! Apparently the DC motor uses much less current to get the job done and the 10 watt resistor doesn't block enough current to make a difference. I eventually converted my 332dc to full ac by installing a large motor. It still doesn't run as good as it did though. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26038	From: aglorince	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Re: MD/PA/VA/WV shows 6/21 & 6/22

timonium md scale show. md state fair grounds timonium md. i 81 one exit north of baltimore belt way. andy lorince --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Peter Ervin <pjervin@h...> wrote: > Any shows in MD/PA/VA/WV 6/21 & 6/22? > > Peter Ervin > Cumberland, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26039	From: Al	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Used GarGraves Track For Sale

I have some 20 pieces of used GarGraves track that need a new home. This track was on a very nice layout of a good friend who decided to move to a home/yard he could handle after a back injury. It was a sad day when he started removing trains, accessories, and track, etc. Here is what's for sale: 8 pieces of 36 inches, 6 pieces of 25 to 30 inches, 6 pieces of 18 to 24 inches The track is less than 10 years old and in good shape, although it has been straightened somewhat for packaging. Sorry, no pins - they were lost in the move to his new residence. Asking price is $25. Shipping/packaging via UPS is $10 to West coast areas, $15 to East coast areas. Sold "AS-IS". No refunds. First come, first served. Insurance is available, if so desired. E-mail me off-line if interested. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26040	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: Re: MD/PA/VA/WV shows 6/21 & 6/22

It's I-83 from the Baltimore Beltway (I-695) At 12:53 AM 6/19/03 +0000, aglorince wrote: >timonium md scale show. md state fair grounds timonium md. i 81 one >exit north of baltimore belt way. >andy lorince > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Peter Ervin <pjervin@h...> wrote: > > Any shows in MD/PA/VA/WV 6/21 & 6/22? > > > > Peter Ervin > > Cumberland, MD > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ======================================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26041	From: Mike Vana	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: CVSR C420 365

> The CVSR website does claim 365 is originally ACL, but it is originally SAL. ACL 100 series units were GP7's. ACL did own Century series Alcos, but they were C628's and C630's numbered 2000-2010 and 2011-2013 respectively. Seaboard's only Centuries were C420's, and numbered 110-136. (126 was wrecked and replaced by 136.) If my information is correct (X2200 South and other sources), CVSR 365 should have originally been Seaboard Air Line 124, then Seaboard Coast Line 1226, then Louisville & Nashville 1365, then Indiana Hi-Rail 365, then Arkansas-Oklahoma (A-OK) 365, then finally to CVSR. I hope this helps. I don't intend this to be critical or negative. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26042	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/18/2003
Subject: K-Line "S" boxcars

Hi Group I just picked up a couple of the K-Line Boxcars at my local Hobby Shop this evening. I'm not familiar with the old Marx tooling but the boxcar shells used for the new S-gauge line do have a distinct O-27 look.... Gilbert boxcars are a scale 40ft in length. K-Line boxcars come in slightly over 43ft long. Width is 9.2ft for Gilbert, 10.6ft for K- Line and proportionally higher. The finish, paint and lettering is crisp, very well done. ...(one odd aspect...very large reporting marks lettering on the Ford Boxcar where the length is listed as 36 ft?) Body, doors, door slides, and frame are all plastic with cast in detail (ladders, brake wheel, grabs). There is cast in brake detail on the underframe. The really great news, as previously reported are the neatly detailed diecast sprung trucks and couplers. These should give Flyonel something to seriously envy. I haven't had a chance to try them on a layout but they roll extremely smooth and easy. . I didn't pick up any of the Tank cars as yet (they have this really chessy looking ladder). Scalers probably won't be happy with these cars as kitbash candidates because of the size. ...but for the price as toy trains these will be GREAT for the kid in all of us to play with, while we save our Vintage Gilbert, and beautifully detailed S-Helper for more serious model railroading sessions... Thumbs up to K-Lines first S-Gauge effort.... Karl Chicago

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26043	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] CVSR C420 365

--- Clay Buckage <lamontcranston1946@...> wrote: > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:55:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: Clay Buckage <lamontcranston1946@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CVSR C420 365 > To: Mike Vana <amflyer@...> > > > --- Mike Vana <amflyer@...> scrawled: > > > > > > > The CVSR website does claim 365 is originally ACL, > > but it is originally SAL. > > > Mike.... > I don't think the ACL had C-420's either > There seems to be conflicting info out there. > http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/railhome.htm > > > > > > I hope this helps. I don't intend this to be > > critical or negative. > > I didn't mean to sound pompous or offended, sorry if > it came out that way. I glad I learned something > too. > > > > > ===== > Clay Buckage > Dave's Twacks & Twains > Box 388 > Tatamy, Pa. 18085 > clay@... > www.davestnt.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26044	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

> scheme to be displayed by the Smithsonian, the other is being restored > to > operation by Doyle. There is a Website: http://www.nkp190.com/ > The trucks they are using came from some scrapped Canadian Alco locos > and > are very similar to the originals.\ > One correction. The trucks to be used are not from Canadian Alcos. They are from the Canadian C liners The C-XX-5 units. They are the same trucks used on some of the Eire builts. I have photos of said trucks. Thank you Larry Jackman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26045	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Oops, wrong list

Folks, sorry for the message, I sent it to the wrong list. It was meant for a John Deere tractor group. _________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:02:11 -0500 From: wmhtreftsv@... Subject: C or GP? Greetings, OK, I'm reading through my JD data book. It's kinda' confusing. It looks like the Cs were rebuilt experimental GPs from 1927-28. The book shows that serial number 200111 was the first C built in March of 1928, then serial 200202 was the last built in April of 1928. The serial number is on a brass plate under the gearshift lever. (Later tractor ID plates state the model.) Your post to the list said it was a 1926. How did you determine this date? Good Luck, Bill ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26046	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

Uh Larry, Aren't Canadian C liners made by Alco? Thus, they are Canadian Alcos?? The NKP190 site has photos of the trucks, and of the restoration so far. I am curious that Doyle's loco is being restored first, I have thought the Smithsonian would have wanted theirs first! Now, from the other PA site is mention of the three sold to Brazil, with one in a museum, and two in junkyards. WHY isn't some museum going after those two!!! I wanna PA in Daylight! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26047	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: Oops, wrong list

--- wmhtreftsv@... wrote: > Folks, sorry for the message, I sent it to the wrong list. It was > meant for a John Deere tractor group. You could have fooled me! I thought the conversation had shifted from Alcos to geeps. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26048	From: Scott Holm	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: Yahoo groups problem

I think I may have actually reached a real person at Yahoo groups. The archive search function is now working correctly too. --- Yahoo! Groups <egroups-feedback@...> wrote: > Hello, > > Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups. > > We are looking into your report and we apologize for any > inconvenience > this may have caused. > > We appreciate your reporting this to us. Your input helps us identify > ways to constantly maintain and improve Yahoo! Groups. > > Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care. > > Regards, > > Yahoo! Customer Care > http://www.yahoo.com/ > > 37577878 > > > > Original Message Follows: > ------------------------- > > Group Name: s-trains > > Are you a... Member > > Subject: Other > > Email client: Web Based Email (eg. Yahoo! Mail) > > Type your feedback here: > The message search feature is not > > working properly. It is broken. If one > > does a search it only searches some of > > the messages, but not all. Hitting next > > to search the next group (which used to > > continue the search in an earlier > > range,) does not return anything > > different now. the range of messages is > > the same as was presented in the first > > place. Therefore it is impossible to > > conduct searches through earlier > > messages > > While Viewing: > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/messages/messages-02.html > > Yahoo ID: imsscott : .login=imsscott&.token=Z7._N_HswL&.tm=1055277487 > Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0; Housenet > Full 1.0) > REMOTE_ADDR: 63.111.163.13 > REMOTE_HOST: unknown > Date Originated: Tuesday June 10, 2003 - 13:38:07 > ------- > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26049	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

David, the photos at http://www. nkp190.com are great. It looks like some day we will be able to walk up next to one of these great old Alcos. I will look forward to it! -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26050	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

No, The C-liners were assembled by Canadian Locomotive Co. (CLC) C-Liners are Fairbanks-Morse. Alco locos came from Montreal Locomotive Works. So they are not Alco trucks. The two trucks look very much alike but are enough different to require two different models. Thank you Larry Jackman On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 08:49 AM, David Dewey wrote: > Uh Larry, > Aren't Canadian C liners made by Alco? Thus, they are Canadian > Alcos?? > The NKP190 site has photos of the trucks, and of the restoration so > far. I > am curious that Doyle's loco is being restored first, I have thought > the > Smithsonian would have wanted theirs first! > Now, from the other PA site is mention of the three sold to > Brazil, with > one in a museum, and two in junkyards. WHY isn't some museum going > after > those two!!! I wanna PA in Daylight! > S' > David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26051	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: early construction equipment

Does anyone have a source for early construction equipment such as steam shovels...road graders etc? Thanks! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26052	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: Oops, wrong list

Hey all I thought he was referring to a Tractor that is used to pull Hopper Cars!!!!!!...About 15 miles from my home, near St. Augustine there is A rock plant...They use a large Tractor, as in pulls large trailer, with a knuckle coupler welded on....They added big tires and a pile of concrete blocks on the back for traction....Ergo...They use it to switch the loaded and empty cars around the plant...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Holm" <imsscott@...> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Oops, wrong list > --- wmhtreftsv@... wrote: > > Folks, sorry for the message, I sent it to the wrong list. It was > > meant for a John Deere tractor group. > > You could have fooled me! I thought the conversation had shifted from > Alcos to geeps. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26053	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: Yahoo groups problem

Don't believe it! I've sent things to Yahoo before and got the same automated message. You won't hear from them again. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO -------Original Message------- From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> Sent: 06/19/03 08:47 AM To: s-trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] re: Yahoo groups problem > > I think I may have actually reached a real person at Yahoo groups. The archive search function is now working correctly too. --- Yahoo! Groups <egroups-feedback@...> wrote: > Hello, > > Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups. > > We are looking into your report and we apologize for any > inconvenience > this may have caused. > > We appreciate your reporting this to us. Your input helps us identify > ways to constantly maintain and improve Yahoo! Groups. > > Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care. > > Regards, > > Yahoo! Customer Care > http://www.yahoo.com/ > > 37577878 > > > > Original Message Follows: > ------------------------- > > Group Name: s-trains > > Are you a... Member > > Subject: Other > > Email client: Web Based Email (eg. Yahoo! Mail) > > Type your feedback here: > The message search feature is not > > working properly. It is broken. If one > > does a search it only searches some of > > the messages, but not all. Hitting next > > to search the next group (which used to > > continue the search in an earlier > > range,) does not return anything > > different now. the range of messages is > > the same as was presented in the first > > place. Therefore it is impossible to > > conduct searches through earlier > > messages > > While Viewing: > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/messages/messages-02.html > > Yahoo ID: imsscott : .login=imsscott&.token=Z7._N_HswL&.tm=1055277487 > Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0; Housenet > Full 1.0) > REMOTE_ADDR: 63.111.163.13 > REMOTE_HOST: unknown > Date Originated: Tuesday June 10, 2003 - 13:38:07 > ------- > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26054	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: early construction equipment

If you get this info, I'd like to get some of the same items. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO -------Original Message------- From: "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> Sent: 06/19/03 09:19 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] early construction equipment > > Does anyone have a source for early construction equipment such as steam shovels...road graders etc? Thanks! Gene S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26055	From: Kielek Family	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

Hi David....The Canadian "C" Liners were not built by MLW(Alco affilate Montreal Quebec) but by the Canadian Locomotive Company(CLC Kingston Ontario Fairbanks Morse License) which is a separate outfit altogether. I was not aware that they used the trucks from the ex-CLC CN units, that sure solves the problem for me, because nothing else MLW(ALCO) made in Canada used those type of trucks that are on the PA's(to my knowledge). Thanx David for your valuable insight Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <ljack70117@...> Cc: "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff > Uh Larry, > Aren't Canadian C liners made by Alco? Thus, they are Canadian Alcos?? > The NKP190 site has photos of the trucks, and of the restoration so far. I > am curious that Doyle's loco is being restored first, I have thought the > Smithsonian would have wanted theirs first! > Now, from the other PA site is mention of the three sold to Brazil, with > one in a museum, and two in junkyards. WHY isn't some museum going after > those two!!! I wanna PA in Daylight! > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26056	From: Hansen, Bruce x4383	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: PA diesels

I believe that the Napa, CA. Wine Train uses two PA-1's for motive power. The are MU'ed back to back. They run around the train at the end of the line for the return trip. It's a very nice trip with good food and plenty of vino to sample. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26057	From: starr007	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: 342 AF S.I.T Tender parts

Does anyone out there have a complete tender for a 1947 A.F. 342, 080 switcher with the smoke unit located in the tender? If not, does anyone have any parts, I need the tender shell with the hole in it for the smoke fluid tube, I need the base, with or with out trucks, with the slots for the S.I.T. unit. I have a smoke unit, But if anyone has one for sale, I would be interested in it if the price is right. I also need a boiler front with the headlight bracket. I bought one from someone in the group a few months back, But I cannot find there name in my records. I believe they had more than one. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If you have any needs, please let me know as I have a large box of engine and tender shells and other parts in various conditions. You may reach me by e-mail at starr007@.... Thanks and have a GREAT WEEKEND, Sincerely, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26058	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Need detailing parts for ERTL GP-35

I am planning on converting some ERTL GP-35's to dummy units to go with my AM UP GP-35. The detail on the ERTL shells is quite good, although it could use a dynamic brake assembly. What I need are some scale Blomberg truck sides (I have one set, but could use a couple more), a horn that would ~match the AM GP-35, some decent handrail stanchions, and, finally some UP decals that are similar to the AM UP GP-35 decals. Does anyone know where I could order these items from? Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26059	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: PA/PB

In the early days of road diesels, some railroads chose to buy sets of diesel locomotives with the same road number with different letter designations for each individual unit. The Western Pacific numbered units this way using 803-A, 803-B, 803-C, etc. The Santa Fe used the letter "L" for the lead unit (what we now call an "A" unit) followed by B and then C; for an A-B-A the numbers for locomotive set number 51 would be 51L, 51A, and 51B. 51L and 51B were both "A" units with cabs, and 51A was really a "B" unit. According to Jim Boyd's book, Passenger Alcos, there was no name for the particular style until 1952; up until that time the model number always started with "DL" for Diesel Locomotive followed by a number. The DL109's are a good example of this. The first PA's were model DL304 and the PB was DL305. When the D&H bought PA's from the Santa Fe in 1967, they used them for their regular passenger trains on a daily basis. They also bought a New Haven PA for parts to keep the other units going. When Amtrak took over most passenger service in 1971, the D&H lost it's passenger trains until 1975 when service was restored with the PA's rebuilt and back in service. In 1977 Amtrak started using turbo trains on the D&H making the PA's surplus. For a while they were used by the MBTA in Boston, MA commuter service, before going to Mexico. The two units that came back to the US have no trucks, no diesels, and even the old stainless steel sides have been removed. According to Steamtown, replacement trucks will be fashioned from FM trucks that are a little different in wheel base, but very similar otherwise. The Denver and Rio Grande Western did use a PB as a steam generator for their passenger train but it had no diesel engines inside, and only looked like a "B" unit. Some of the 6-wheel trucks were replaced with 4-wheel trucks, so the appearance really changed. One of these may still exist. The Canadian National bought many FPA's and FPB's for passenger service. These are slightly longer than conventional FA's and FB's, and have 4-wheel trucks, but many of them still exist and are in service. One group is used by the Grand Canyon Railway between Williams AZ and the Canyon and includes both "A" and "B" units. They still have the original Alco diesel engines in them. The Paulista Railway in Brazil had 3 PA's but they were for 5'-3" track gauge instead of the 4'-8 1/2" gauge of the others. One of these is in a museum. One or two of the Mexican PA's are in a museum, and the two brought back to the US are to be restored. Other than these, they were all scrapped. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26060	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: "PA"/"PB" MOre stuff

Larry & the List, Ah, I should have stuck to steam engines, where I have a bit more knowledge. My sincere apologies! Now about those Brazilian units. . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26061	From: Al	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Re: GarGraves Track for sale

Thanks to all those who replied to the post regarding the GarGraves track for sale. It has sold and very fast. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26062	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/19/2003
Subject: Marx cars

Hi These are there O scale cars. The 3/16 cars doors do not open and the roof has a sharp peak. I sand down the peak and put on a new thiner roof walk. Also add end roof detail. The cattle car is 3/16, but they made a O scale car as they called it in 1955. The tank cars look good. Hell they have been selling 3/16 to gaugers for years. I want to power the Marx 3/16 Hudson some day. They had one with steam coming out the bottom. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26063	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: BK switches

Hi all: I have ~4 BK, #6, closed frog, code 125, turnout kits that I would like to trade for the same number of #4 BK closed frog, code 125 turnout kits. It "turns out" that I was overly optimistic about the space I had available for my layout, and #6's take up a little too much room. Are there any out there? Unfortunately, it will not be easy to send them to Norway, but maybe we can work out a deal to send them to Virginia. Please contact me off-line. tx Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26064	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Show schedules

Any shows in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia or West Virginia this weekend? Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26065	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Sorry for the duplicate post

I'm sorry for the duplicate post about show schedules. I thought it didn't post the first time. Murphy's law...it did and I didn't notice until right after I sent the duplicate. Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26066	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Virus

Hi Folks My Norton's anti-virus protection quarantined a virus a short time ago. Its name is news.ser John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26067	From: plotnick	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Little Engine that Could

Just for fun, here is the link to my newly updagte "The Little Engine that Could" homepage http://tigger.uic.edu/~plotnick/littleng.htm -Roy Roy E. Plotnick Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, Il .60607 phone: 312-996-2111 630-252-6377(May-August) e-mail: plotnick@... homepage: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/people/faculty/plotnick.html "Those who do not know the literature are condemned to repeat it."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26068	From: Mike Vana	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: PA replacement trucks

The replacement trucks for the PA's are from former PRR FM Erie Built B units that were sold a long time ago to a company with the initials RMAX. If I remember correctly, they were stripped and used somehow in the process of making weled rail. I believe that there were four B units altogether that ended up this way. Anyway, they were in Canada when the trucks were removed from them for the PA's. Now the Erie Built, which was FM's version of the Alco PA, was not very successful, and the A's became extinct a long time ago. But, it would have been nice to save two B units, especially if there were four left, and at least cosmetically restore them, and fabricating a new front for one to make it an A unit. From old photographs and drawings at least a close resemblance could be made to the original FM design. Didn't some S gauge manufacturer make an FM Erie Built, or plan to? I guess that we should be happy that two FM A units, both CP C-Liners, are preserved, and maybe some of the C-Liner B units that were made into radio control cars are still around, too. It's really amazing what is being done to the PA being restored to become NKP 190. Hopefully it will be running one day. I am sure that Lionel would make a set, and perhaps American Models will, too. An interesting fact about the PA's is that only six railroads owned both A's and B's - UP, PRR, NYC, Santa Fe, SP, and Rio Grande. A lot more railroads owned just the A units - MP, Southern, Wabash, NKP, LV, Erie (later EL), Cotton Belt, P&LE, D&H, NH, GM&O, and MKT. Being an American Flyer fan, I was pretty disappointed when I found out that NP never had PA's, that NH never painted PA's like AF did, nor were any Santa Fe PA's painted blue and yellow. (Some red and silver Santa Fe's were used briefly in freight service, though.) Somehow it never bothered me that AF left out the middle wheelset in each truck. I still like them, though. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26069	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: PA replacement trucks

Mike: one Santa Fe PA unit was temporarily painted in the blue and yellow scheme to pull some kind of promotional train, possibly for GE. At least, I read this somewhere. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26070	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: American Models....Phone number?

Hi Group Does anyone have another phone number for Ron Bashista at American Models, other than (248) 437-6800? That number is coming up as disconected. That's the number on their website and the only number directory assistance had listed. I placed an Order with them On- line about two weeks ago, and emailed them requesting shipping info...no response... I thought that I would call them this morning but came up with the disconnected number with no forwarding details. Any ideas as to what's up...are they moving? Any information appreciated, I hope that all's OK... Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26071	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 22, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26072	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Ribbon Wire

Does anyone have any idea where I might find multi- colored, ribbon wire for wiring switches to switch controls? I am looking for 20 gauge or smaller. Thanks ...Barbara

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26073	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: American Models....Phone number?

Their 7/03 Model Railroader ad on p. 127 has the # as 248-437-6800. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26074	From: bimorph	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: FS AF Track,Switches, Rub Roadbed

I have 1266 pieces of track, 29 RH & 35 LH switches, 29 controls, 276 pieces of rubber roadbed, 30B xformer not working well. $1,500 pick up only on Long Island , NY write to bimorph@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26075	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: train news

It is so rare to hear much about trains anymore. Here is some current news. This train went 30 miles by itself. http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/06/20/train.derails/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26076	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Re: train news

My son works for UP in that yard & does the investigations. He said that the train got loose in Montclair & got up to 85MPH Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26077	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 6/20/2003
Subject: Re: train wrecks

Thanks Alex, for pointing us toward a great story. Sorry for loss of property and injuries. Here's another train wreck story from Cumberland, MD today, 6/20. Go to http://www.times-news.com/ Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] train news > It is so rare to hear much about trains anymore. Here is some current > news. This train went 30 miles by itself. > http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/06/20/train.derails/index.html > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26078	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Re: Ribbon Wire

Atlas sells it by the roll. Computer related will have more wires than you probably need.... not even sure if the rainbow ribbon wire is still vogue these days, it sure was back in 1980. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26079	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1917

I use four conductor telephone wire. It's the same color code. Solid conductor is easier to use. Woods wire available at the home building stores will be the right gauge. Nick PS I have only seen ribbon wire to match Gilbert at train shows. At 01:05 PM 6/21/2003 +0000, you wrote: >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:08:50 -0400 > From: Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> >Subject: Ribbon Wire > >Does anyone have any idea where I might find multi- >colored, ribbon wire for wiring switches to switch >controls? I am looking for 20 gauge or smaller. > >Thanks ...Barbara > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26080	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Tracks Ahead

I'm probably the last guy around to find this out, but JIC: Tracks Ahead, a train show covering a variety of railroad subjects, from prototype to model railroads to bridges, etc., airs on my regional PBS television station( KTWU, channel 11, Topeka, KS) at 8:30 AM Saturdays. The segment this morning covered a traction railroad in Mason City, IA, Henry Flagler (sp), a 12" gauge riding railroad, and other interesting stuff. Produced and partially sponsored by Kalmback Publishing. http://www.thetrainshow.com/ Lists three other train related programs. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26081	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: AF shows up in the strangest places!

Over on the TCA group, a discussion was held on photos of a British Train show & how different it is/was from American Shows. I had gone to the photo site, but not clear through all the pics, so I was surprised when an AF layout was mentioned! Turns out it is our own Neil Trump, so thought y'all might want to take a looky-see. http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/TT/Alresford2003.htm Here's a direct to Neil's Layout photo (he wasn't there, was out looking for a brewski!): http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/TT/Alrsf22.jpg Also, a commentary was posted, and the following show just how different they are over there: "Dave Cox's swing quartet were playing between 12.30 and 2.30 . Rotary had a very popular BBQ which required restocking and parents were raising money for a Perins School Rugby Tour to Singapore by manning the Real Ale Tent selling Fagins Beer produced by Itchen Valley Brewey. The local Save the Children Branch manned the doors all day and Perins School provided the refreshments. The Cheriton Scouts manned the car parking and members of a local Rock band raised £165 from the raffle. Overall the show will have raised around £1500 which is distributed to various Youths organisations in and around Alresford." S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26082	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Pine Canyon Models, etc.

For those who are interested in them, we will have the new Pine Canyon Models' S kits at the NASG convention. Already have both versions of the gas station, plus the Coke Machine kits, in stock, and we have the Soda Chest kits and the Gas Station detail kits coming in this week. The convention will be just about your last chance to get the Gas Station kits at the Intro price, which ends July 15th! If we run out of them there, we will accept orders during the convention for more of them and honor the intro-price anyway. We will also have a few of the Kaslo Shops PS-1 boxcar kits available.....and much more! We will have a stock of SnS can motors available (as well as the SnS S-videos), as well as the Timko flyweheel motors. Hopefully, we will have the new SnS Baldwin can motors available as well, although they haven't arrived here yet. And maybe some more surprises! Hope to see many of you there in 3 weeks! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26083	From: rebendever	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide is Coming Back!

FYI Howdy Friends A few months ago, I posted a request for comments about the possible resurrection of our "S/Sn3 Modeling Guide" magazine. It is now underway!!! As before, this magazine is for S Scale Only. And it will be a mix of standard and narrow gauge. I leave Thursday to truck the back issues and all related stuff to the new owner up north. More information about him and his plans will be posted here next week. OK, now is the time for you to step up and show your support in a most important way. Please get your articles and photos ready to send! Also, get ready to subscribe! Many thanks for your past and future support, Bill -- Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26084	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1917

Most computer wire is too light. Port lines hobby, I am sure they can take care of your needs. doug@... Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26085	From: Karl Raab	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: Re: American Models Phone number

Hi Group I tried American Models number again just a few minutes ago.... This time it worked..I reached Zak still in their office...working late on a Sat evening. All is well...Just some kind of a phone glitch on Friday I guess. Thanx as always for help and your response...Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26086	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/21/2003
Subject: SHS 2-8-0

For Santa Fe fans, there is a nicely restored display ATSF 2-8-0 #811 at the Atchison, KS rail museum. It will be interesting to see how close the SHS 2-8-0 comes to the prototype. Of course the "as delivered" engine was usually modified as we know. But for any of you Midwesterners or any traveling railfans, it is worth a stop at the museum. In addition to the 2-8-0, there is a large collection of rolling stock, an interesting inside museum, live tracks close by, a wonderful 100-year (or so) swivel rail bridge, and an adjoining similar vintage vehicular bridge across the river. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26087	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Ribbon wire for switches

I have used ordinary telephone 4 wire cable in a pinch from radio shack, it is pretty small gauge though and a 'tight' switch may be sluggish. They do have some other types of cable that are stranded/flexible and a bit heavier guage. The low-impedance 'mike' cables are pretty flexible stranded wire and have four conductors (one conductor is a braided ground, just wrap a bit of electrical tape around it). What I use now is plain old cheap 20ga. 'thermostat cable' from my home improvement center. A 250' roll is pretty cheap, and they will cut off just what you need if you want a shorter piece. The wire is solid copper and comes in 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 / and eight conductor cables. Heck, in a pinch I used ordinary inexpensive two wire furnace thermostat cable and just ran two sections together to the switch. Color code the wires with 'nail polish' for identification at the stripped ends. Sure its not 'Gilbert factory' looking, but it will work. Regards, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26088	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: More ribbon wire

Try RFGCO or Amato's Hobby Store for true to Gilbert ribbon wire. Check ebay wire catagories also for ribbon cable, a lot of cheap surplus is available there. There are many other sources. Also a local hobby shop may be of help. Even if it is...........dare I say it.......... new fangled Lionel. Regards, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26089	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Ribbon Wire request

Good Morning, Thank you all for the wonderful input and suggestions I have received regarding my search for ribbon wire. Some of your solutions have been downright creative - bordering on brilliant. I am on the road to a resolution to getting my turnouts wired, thanks to you all. As a brand new member to this group, I can already see what a fabulous resource it is. Thanks again and "happy S-ing" ...Barb ...[Image] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26090	From: trzp1800	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Re: Ribbon Wire request

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@e...> wrote: > I am on the road to a resolution to getting my turnouts > wired, thanks to you all. Hi Barb: I purchased the RFG ribbon wire and it appears to be just like the original. I have run into problems with voltage drop when running 24- 30 feet with the smaller ga. wires. Another solution is to use automotive wire. I purchased some "Motormite" ribbon wire (86039) at Autozone in 16 ga for a very reasonable cost compared to "ACG" ribbon wire. The colors aren't the same, white, brown, yellow, green, but as long as you're consistent on your layout, so what. Also, automotive primary wire in 16 or 14 ga 100-feet rolls is available for other uses on your layout. > > As a brand new member to this group, I can already > see what a fabulous resource it is. Nothing like "talking" to someone who's already "done it", to help you figure out how to make your own layout work. Have fun, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26091	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Ribbon Wire

Yabo Ribbon Wire, Try Newark, Alpha Cable p/n 3530-100. It is a 10 conductor, 22 AWG, 100 foot spool and goes for about $110/spool. This cable is a real good match for the Gilbert cable. The good part is you have 6 wires left after stripping the cable down to 4. Unfortunately it comes in the standard colors. Blk Brn Red Org Yel Grn Blu Vil Gry Wht This means you cannot match the Gilbert colors. Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26092	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1918

Wiring to switches. I run a twin 18 ga. lamp cord ( it has silver & gold wire for color codes ) to the red and green posts of the A.F. switches. bring in a ground wire from buss wire ( feeder wire run around under my layout ) to the black post and a power wire from a buss wire thru a diode to reduce the voltage on the switch lamp to the yellow post. It saves a lot of additional wire and I hardly ever need to change a switch lamp or melt the plastic color tube in the older switches. I have also wired in a capacitor discharge unit to my switches, but I find that it really doesn't improve the operation of the switches that much over the regular hookup. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26093	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Wiring to switches/diodes

Excellent idea! The diodes cut the available current by 1/2 and really do extend the life of these little switch housing lamps. I have been very keen on this idea for a while. Sure saves on the cost of relamping the switches. Use them in 'bumpers' , houses/school/farm/industrial minature buildings. The light will only be 1/2 bright as a full burning bulb. But there will be no more lost switch house lenses. The switches for the switch can also benifit from these diodes. Apply one to each switching bulb and you will cut the current in 1/2 for each lamp. The lamps glow almost as brightly as before the diode. But you will love the extended life of your lamps! I use a 4007 diode from 'Circuit Specialists, INC. They offer a real good deal on the diodes if purchased in the 100's. There are many more websites and 'ebay' listings that can net you a fine deal with diodes. Hope this helps someone out there in AF land! Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26094	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 22, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26095	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Lehigh Valley Mine--Blatant Ad

Anyone interested in buying a built-up Lehigh Valley mine? This includes the mine head and the coal breaker but not the power house. I had it sold, but my buyer welched on me due to some timing issues beyond either of our control. The guy who is storing the mine wants it out of his basement. I have not seen the mine in about 15 years, but the guy who is storing it tells me it is in the same condition it was 15 years ago--but, then, he's an attorney. I built this around 1986, and if you have a copy of the "S Gaugian" that featured the St. Louis Famous-Barr layout, you might be able to see it there. Price $350 including S&H. Contact me off-list. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26096	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring to switches/diodes

What are the specifications for the 4007 diode? Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26097	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring to switches/diodes

One amp. 700 volt rms. Data Sheet link... http://www-micrel.deis.unibo.it/~benini/ELEI/datasheets/1N4001.pdf Carl -----Original Message----- From: Bull_Gator_1 [mailto:bull_gator_1@...] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 6:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Wiring to switches/diodes What are the specifications for the 4007 diode? Thanks! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26098	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: 4007 diode and light bulb saver.

This diode is rated at 1 amp at 1000 volts operating AC. Nominal is up to 3 amps current across the diode in free air.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26099	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Re: Ribbon Wire request

Hi Barb, All the suggestions have been great. My approach has been to add wire length to the existing switch wires. I use super flexible, 2 conductor, 16ga Japanese speaker wire which I found at a local supplier. It has the advantage of having copper and silver colored wires with a transparent cover. When the switches are wired you do not notice the wires as you do with colors. I use a dedicated 8b transformer for my accessories. The aircraft beacon and 772 tower get full fixed voltage and my other lights are attached to the variable post which is then adjusted to the desired brilliance level using the speed control. These voltages are bussed under the table along with base post (common) for ease of attaching accessories. Best of Luck, Alex(innotron) Barbara Rudnicki wrote: > Good Morning, > > Thank you all for the wonderful input and suggestions > I have received regarding my search for ribbon wire. > Some of your solutions have been downright creative - > bordering on brilliant. > > I am on the road to a resolution to getting my turnouts > wired, thanks to you all. > > As a brand new member to this group, I can already > see what a fabulous resource it is. > > Thanks again and "happy S-ing" ...Barb ...[Image] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26100	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: diodes for higher current

To ensure the diodes do not blow out under a high current load, you can simply place two of them together in parallel, thereby doubling the available current sink. At less then 10 cents each they are a good way to extend any common lamps lifespan. Oh, and when and if the diode controlled bulb does finally burn out, well... the diode will be ready and waiting for the next lamp/and the next lamp/andthe next lamp, etc..... OK you get the picture now........the bulbs eventually burn out at the 1/2 gentle cycle of the diodes, but the diodes just sit there and wait for the new lamp to be installed. The diodes last almost forever if the current rating is not abused. The diode controlled lamps will give out plenty of illumination and will last about 10 times longer than a equivalent AC connected lamp. Myself, I like to use one diode for each controlled lamp. This is easy to do, simply have the 'line' part of the diode point to the light bulb to be controlled. The bulbs will then have a gentle almost pleasant soft DC flicker and will still be very bright. Don;t worry, if you do hook up the diode backwards it will not hurt the diode, simply turn the diode over end to end and it will then be properly biased. Another wonderful use of these high voltage diodes is to place them across a solenoid coil to absorb transients and lengthen the life of the coil by eliminating 'chatter'. This could possibly be quite important with 60 year old solenoid magnet wire, including action cars that are prone to chatter and any solenoid driven acessory. Hope this post helps to save some of those good old valuable original A.C. Gilbert lamps and action solenoids! Regards, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26101	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: high intensity 'aircraft tower/rotary beacon'

Do not place any of these rectifiers in line with any Aircraft Beacons and 'bubbling tubes'. These devices need full AC voltage into the bulb to generate 'heat' to make the beacon spin and the tube bubble. A diode in line with these devices will cut the available current in half and the bulbs will not heat up enough to make the 'beacon' spin, and the 'bubbling water tube' will not bubble. Cheers, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26102	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26103	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/22/2003
Subject: Sorry, No Subject was actually a big subject!

My post somehow became deleted. I think I clicked onto a kindred format and the post was dumped by yahoo. Sorry for the interruption.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26104	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: SHS Diesel wheelsets

Friend"S", I'm looking for a set (4 axles) of SHS diesel wheelsets - Hi-Rail or Scale - for rewheeling an ERTL GP-35 loco into a dummy unit. The integrated gear and bearings will not hamper this project - there is plenty of clearance in the ERTL truck. Does anyone have a set they would be willing to part with? If so, please contact me off list. dmunsey@... THNX, Don Munsey, Jr. An S-Scale VGN Rwy fan trapped in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26105	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: Re: switch lamps

As an alternative to installing diodes to reduce voltage to switch lamps (or lamps anywhere on your layout), you can also use 24-volt bulbs, instead of the usual 18-volt bulbs. This will have the same effect----a little dimmer, but much longer life. We stock 24-volt bulbs that match the 1447 switch lamp bulbs, the red and green switch-control bulbs, and the 432 large-globe bulbs used in passenger cars, cabeese, stations, etc. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26106	From: keith kuzma	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: diodes

Didn't someone make a post awhile back about the negative effects of a diode on a solenoid coil?Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26107	From: rebendever	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: QUELCH THE RUMORS AND SPREAD THE GREAT NEWS! THE S/Sn3 MODELING G

OK creating the above Subject line was the `easy' part. Now the hard part of our job is to publish and deliver a quality and timely 1/64th / 3/16" / S Narrow Gauge & Scale bi-monthly publication with lots of interesting and creative photographs and articles. However, my expectations are that all you folks who have been sending Billy and me private emails offering to write articles, take photographs and drum up Subscribers and Advertisers will follow through and be an inspiration to others to do the same! This is "YOUR" magazine and without your involvement and contributions, this publication is nothing. Over the next week, the `old' Website will be updated with a brand new Website and many new and interesting features. We will also be mailing out invitations to the various mailing lists of Subscribers and Advertisers that have come along with the purchase of the "Modeling Guide". If you would like to be a Subscriber and you are not on the B.T.S. mailing list, please feel free to REPLY to this message (and not the group), and you will be added to our database. Please provide your NAME, ADDRESS, PHONE, and EMAIL for starters. Likewise, if you are an Advertiser and you are interested in receiving one of our Rate Cards, please provide to me your contact information and I will be very sure to get the information to you that you require. As not to clutter up all the Yahoo! Group sites, we have also created a Yahoo! Groups page with the URL to be announced later this week. Our expectations are that everyone will use the Modeling Guide Yahoo! Group to share ideas and collaborate on articles and issues. An announcement will be made when this site is up and functioning. Finally, we WILL be attending the `2003 NASG National Convention' in Oconomowoc, WI on July 11th & 12th. Wear your best duds, `cuze we're going to be taking a plethora of pictures for our very first issue scheduled for distribution October 1, 2003. Time to get back to work and start spreading the great news some more! Your S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Editor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26108	From: Gale Hall	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: GP sideframes

Afternoon all, Any one have a pair of AF GP sideframes either with knuckle couplers or plain, they would be willing to sell or trade? Thanks gale hall frisco91@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26109	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1919

Diodes 1. Diodes do not share current very well. If you put two diodes in parallel the one with the lowest impedance at the current you require will hog the current. The second diode will share almost nothing. If the Diodes were identical and were heatsunk together they would share the current equally but in practice this will never happen. You are better off just buying a diode rated at a higher current. 2. NEVER NEVER NEVER put a diode across (in parallel) with a solenoid that is connected to an AC power source. The diode will blow almost instantly. When it blows it may blow open or could short. If it shorts your transformer will have to supply the short circuit current until it decides to trip it's circuit breaker. Diodes are used to snub inductive kickback from inductors (solenoids) when these solenoids are connected to a DC power source. The diode is connected with the stripe (cathode) to the positive and the (anode) to the negative side of the circuit (in parallel with the coil). With Gilbert toys, AC is used on most all solenoid accessories. Do not use diodes in parallel. Sincerely, Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26110	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: Re: switch lamps

6/23/03 No offense, but I'm with Doug Peck. Use a 24v lamp. They are inexpensive, easy, and yield the desired effect. When your 14v or 18v lamp burns out, replace it with a 24v version. No fuss and no muss! Note well that Mr. Yablonski's post has stated some important and factual information regarding the application of diodes. Thank you BeSt RegardS, CurtiS Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26111	From: Gale Hall	Date: 6/23/2003
Subject: Sideframes

Evening all, The side frames quest is now complete. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26112	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: Were does your city rank?

Small bit piece in the KC Star today concerning the rank of Kansas City as a model railroading town, based on participants per capita: We are #9, so it says. Number one is (drum roll please) Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The info came from the World's Greatest Hobby promotion apparently. I have not seen any rankings in any of the hobby press, but I have been out of the magazine loop in recent months. So does anyone know where other cities rank? And I assume (dangerous...) that Chicago is the heart of S-land? Roy Inman.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26113	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: Off topic -- need reporting marks

To all: I have a friend with a photo showing a flat car with the reporting marks "KRL". Does anyone know what "KRL" stands for? Thanks, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26114	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: Re: Off topic -- need reporting marks

Dear Gene: Thank you very much. These lists never fail to amaze me. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Knight, Gene [mailto:Knight@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:01 AM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Off topic -- need reporting marks Thorin, I found a "Kasgro Rail Lines" http://www.nyrail.org/shippers/KRL/index.html Hene > ---------- > From: Marty.Thorin > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:53 AM > To: S-Trains (E-mail); S-Scale (E-mail) > Subject: [S-Trains] Off topic -- need reporting marks > > To all: > I have a friend with a photo showing a flat car with the reporting > marks "KRL". Does anyone know what "KRL" stands for? > > Thanks, > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26115	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Where does your city rank?

The piece from the paper referred to model railroading in general. I was (am) curious as to the US city with the largest concentration of S interest. The reason I mentioned Chicago is (1) Des Plaines Hobbies and (2) the largest AF club in America is in Shy Town. S specific demographic information would be useful, I would think, for the marketing efforts of an S manufacturer and the new publisher of the S guide. Roy Inman ---------- > From: Terry Harrison <nkpman@...> > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:40:10 -0400 > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Scale] Where does your city rank? > > > Best bet would be to go to Dispatch membership issue and tally up the > people per city. > > As for Chicago the heart of S? I would think somewhere in the east. > But who knows. > > We talking scale or all S gauge? > > Orlando, FL has 100% scale population- ME! <LOL> > > > Terry > > > To see or post Photos visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26116	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] FW: [S-Scale] Where does your city rank?

In a message dated 6/24/03 4:32:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rinphoto@... writes: > I was (am) curious as to the US City with the largest concentration of S > interest. Don't leave out Ohio. It's 1 big city with 3 large S-Gauge clubs and home to the S-Spree every year. Tons of S-Gaugers. (Literally.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26117	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] FW: [S-Scale] Where does your city rank?

Cb: Whereabouts in Ohio? Roy Inman ---------- > From: Cbtrainnut1@... > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:08:09 -0400 (EDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] FW: [S-Scale] Where does your city rank? > > In a message dated 6/24/03 4:32:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rinphoto@... writes: > >> I was (am) curious as to the US City with the largest concentration of S >> interest. > > Don't leave out Ohio. It's 1 big city with 3 large S-Gauge clubs and home to > the S-Spree every year. Tons of S-Gaugers. (Literally.) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26118	From: waldootten	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: AF club in Chicago?????

Roy Inman wrote: > The reason I mentioned Chicago is (1) Des Plaines Hobbies and (2) the largest AF club in America is in Shy Town. < ************************************************************* Roy -- I live in Chicago and am not aware of any American Flyer Club here, but might be interested in joining. I do know of the Midwest Train Collectors and the Chicagoland S-Gaugers, but none other. Any info? I joined the Midwest TCA in late 2001. Very good group, nice people, efficient transfer of information. I also paid $15 or so to join the Chicagoland S-Gaugers at last fall's S-Fest in Tinley Park. I still have the canceled check. But I never heard from anyone -- no newsletter, no greeting message, no "Come to a Meeting" note, no membership card, nothing. For a while I thought they didn't have my address. Then I got a postcard asking for a dues renewal in February! I tried to send an email to their rep as listed on the NASG website, but it kept bouncing back. Not very efficient, as far as I'm concerned. Would like any info about an AF club here, though. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26119	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: "Need reporting marks" Was On Topic

Thorin, I thought your question was on topic! Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26120	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Where does your city rank?

I wonder how those rankings (see below) were achieved? I understand that the listing is modelers per capita. But what does it take to qualify as a "modeler?" Does one have to be an operator to qualify, or do the "Dream Operators" with a basement full of trains in boxes count? And if one does have to be an operator to qualify, what size layout makes that person a modeler? How much scenery has to be on the layout, how much track? In the paper it also said there were 1300 model railroaders in the KC area. One train shop owner I know said he has a customer list of 1500. Also, Bill, there is Caboose Hobbies in Denver, which according to them anyway, is the largest train store in the world. Even if it is not the very largest, at 16,000 sq. ft. it has to be in the top ten. And the population of KC and Denver are roughly equivalent. Seems like it would take a large customer base to support a Caboose Hobbies (of course they are online and do mail order), yet Denver is not even listed. One would think that the per capita in Denver might be greater than the per capita in KC. I don't know, maybe everyone goes skiing every weekend instead of playing with trains?? Just musings in another slow year for freelance photography. Roy Inman ---------- > From: Bullybullfrog@... > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:32:26 -0400 (EDT) > To: rinphoto@..., S-Scale@... > Subject: Re: FW: [S-Scale] Where does your city rank? > > Hi, Chicago ranks 10th. > > 1. Milwaukee > 2. Pittsburgh > 3. Philadelphia > 4. Cleveland > 5. Washington D.C. > 6. Cincinnati > 7. Boston > 8. Seattle > 9. Kansas City > 10. Chicago > > Bill McClung > Colorado

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26121	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: NASG

I had the same experience as Phil K. from Chicago when I joined the S-gaugers in Florida. Never heard a word from them except a request for renewal money and one issue of the magazine. They had a table at the NMRA convention in Fort Lauderdale, FL last year. I spoke to them about my experience and they replied they couldn't understand it and gave me an issue of S- Gaugian magazine. Am currently not a member ...Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26122	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Scale Rumors URL

Dear Ron, Are you looking for: www.strainshowrumor.com dphobbies wrote: >Being mostly computer illiterate and off the list for quite some >time, can some post the url for the S Scale rumors website? Someone >told me and I didn't write it down and I just want to see what is >going on. > >Ron >Des Plaines > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26123	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/24/2003
Subject: S History

There has been much interesting discussion lately regarding vintage S scale models and manufacturers, and there have been several photos of vintage kits. This, and the Dick Karne's hard work on the Mobley library have inspired a thought which I have just discussed with the NASG webmaster; create website pages that illustrate our S scale heritage using photos of vintage S products and information about their manufacturers. I therefore solicit from you photos of built up kits, unbuilt kits, and manufacturer information. I will collect the info. Mike Greene will post it. In answer to a question that some AF fans might ask; no, we have not discussed doing an AF page. If there is a need for that, a volunteer to help with the task is a necessary starting point. -- Ted Larson www.kodak.com/go/racing -- Ted Larson www.kodak.com/go/racing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26124	From: plotnick	Date: 6/25/2003
Subject: Chicagoland S-Gaugers

>I live in Chicago and am not aware of any American Flyer Club here, >but might be interested in joining. I do know of the Midwest Train >Collectors and the Chicagoland S-Gaugers, but none other. Any info? > >I joined the Midwest TCA in late 2001. Very good group, nice people, >efficient transfer of information. > >I also paid $15 or so to join the Chicagoland S-Gaugers at last >fall's S-Fest in Tinley Park. I still have the canceled check. But I >never heard from anyone -- no newsletter, no greeting message, >no "Come to a Meeting" note, no membership card, nothing. For a >while I thought they didn't have my address. Then I got a postcard >asking for a dues renewal in February! I tried to send an email to >their rep as listed on the NASG website, but it kept bouncing back. > >Not very efficient, as far as I'm concerned. > >Would like any info about an AF club here, though. > >Phil K Phil: On behalf of the CASG, my apologies. We have switched from a mailed to an online newsletter, which includes the monthly meeting notice. We will mail to those without online access, however. The best way to stay in touch is to check out our website at: www.trainweb.org/casg/ We don't have membership cards. This includes the newsletter in .pdf format. Please let me know if you have any questions - Roy Plotnick, CASG Webmaster Roy E. Plotnick Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, Il .60607 phone: 312-996-2111 630-252-6377(May-August) e-mail: plotnick@... homepage: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/people/faculty/plotnick.html "Those who do not know the literature are condemned to repeat it."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26125	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/25/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Barb I need a little more info. Are you saying that you joined the National Association of S Gaugers at the NMRA show in Ft. Lauderdale Last July? I have no record of you joining their, I was the NASG representative at the Show. I would have given you a copy of our publication the Dispatch. I had no S -Gaugians to give out at that show. Please check you records, In the meantime I will forward your email to our membership chairmen. Please sent me whatever information you can find. Thanks John Foley NASG VP Message: 9 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:28:39 -0400 From: Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> Subject: NASG I had the same experience as Phil K. from Chicago when I joined the S-gaugers in Florida. Never heard a word from them except a request for renewal money and one issue of the magazine. They had a table at the NMRA convention in Fort Lauderdale, FL last year. I spoke to them about my experience and they replied they couldn't understand it and gave me an issue of S- Gaugian magazine. Am currently not a member ...Barb ________________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26126	From: afjeff_56	Date: 6/26/2003
Subject: S Clubs

It seems to me that when you join a club, you would find out where there next meeting is to be held. That way you will be able to meet the people and get familiar with the way the club does and holds its meetings!!! It's up to the individual to get them self involved in a small club... Jeff S...... Message: 9 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:28:39 -0400 From: Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> Subject: NASG I had the same experience as Phil K. from Chicago when I joined the S-gaugers in Florida. Never heard a word from them except a request for renewal money and one issue of the magazine. They had a table at the NMRA convention in Fort Lauderdale, FL last year. I spoke to them about my experience and they replied they couldn't understand it and gave me an issue of S- Gaugian magazine. Am currently not a member ...Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26127	From: Dayna	Date: 6/26/2003
Subject: (no subject)

I haven't posted in awhile and wanted to touch base before the convention which is sneaking up on us real quick! I haven't been ignoring you guys and haven't dropped off the face of the earth or gone out of business. The gnomes have been working on some new structures especially for you S scale modelers and we will be debuting at least 4 of them at the convention. Look forward to seeing you there! Dayna Williamson Trainstuff LLC www.trainstuffllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26128	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/26/2003
Subject: Diodes and Solenoids

Robert, you are 100% correct! And I apologize for posting some incorrect information! Next time I will get all my info correct before submitting a post to the list! My youngest Nephew has been "modifiying" some of my old AF trains to bring them up to 'modern standards' so says he! I give him the leeway and he does some pretty amazing stuff with my old trains. His latest kick is installing jumbo 'LED's' in the switch lamp housings on both the 'knife' switches and the remote switch light signal towers, he says...........Uncle Mikey, you will never have to change a bulb ever again! His latest project seems to be moving along well. As for the devices I thought were diodes that Nephew was placing across the various solenoids, well turns out they are little brownish/black capacitors rated at .1uf @ 200vdc. Nephew claims they help eliminate 'spikes' and should lengthen the life of the old coils. He is also installing these large red discs......some kind of 'transient suppression' on the main power feeds! Is this redundant? Perhaps. Will it extend the longevity of the AF layout? Maybe, maybe not. Actually, I am glad he took an interest in these old trains!!! Most youngsters do not seem to be interested in anything other than 'X-box' games! Hopefully he will carry on the old family AF tradition and keep the Gilbert dream alive well into the future!!! It would be a terrible shame to have these wonderful old trains left forgotten. I wish more youngsters showed an interest in these old trains. Regards Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26129	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/26/2003
Subject: diodes and solenoids

The kind of spikes that commonly occur on AF railroads (up to 80 VAC but very short duration) do not hurt switch and other solenoids. They don't last long enough to generate the heat required to damage the insulation. Tom jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26130	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/26/2003
Subject: Jet Train presentation

Guys, here is a nugget from the NYC-RR Yahoo group, about the jet propelled NYC RDC we discussed a few months ago. Mr. Donald C. Wetzel, chief pilot of the M-497 Jet Train in 1966, will be making two short presentations about the preparations and the runs. He will have a slide show. The presentations will be held at the Agricultural and Industrial Power Museum, 325 S. Broadway, Butler, Indiana. Times: Fri., July 11 at 4:00 pm, and Sat., July 12 at 1:00 pm. Times are never-changing-Indiana-time (Chicago is the same time now; Ohio is one hour later). Please contact me off-line if you have any questions. Craig Berndt cjberndt@... Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26131	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Email Change

Please change my address From joeawood@... to Cropinsurance1@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26132	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Winter Set on eBay shows yellowing...

Someoneon the S-chat the other night was interested in reproducing WINTER All Aboard Panels. The problem becomes, do you try and repro what the panels originally looked like, or what they often look like now due to age. It seems that the glue used to affix the mica chips has often yellowed. My panels are this way, and the excellent photos in this auction show this real well. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3136247314&category=480 -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26133	From: robert allen conner	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Re: Winter Set on eBay shows yellowing...

Hey Guys and Gals...That was me....I noticed that, so far, the panels were sprayed...but the mountains were brushed? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Winter Set on eBay shows yellowing... > Someoneon the S-chat the other night was interested in reproducing > WINTER All Aboard Panels. The problem becomes, do you try and repro what > the panels originally looked like, or what they often look like now due > to age. It seems that the glue used to affix the mica chips has often > yellowed. My panels are this way, and the excellent photos in this > auction show this real well. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3136247314&category=480 > > -- > > > Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org > email - myflyertrains@... > 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! > Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club! > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26134	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Questions

As a follow-up to recent discussion about A and B units... 1. "A four-unit set of FA's" Only the first unit appears to have a cab. What does FA mean? 2. "Two E-units" What does this mean? 3. "Consolidations" How is this defined? Thanks, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26135	From: hunbet	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: pictures

I just posted some pictures to the photo's section that I took at the Tooele Army Depot in Utah.The tank cars are the prototype of our 625.I believe these are owned by a private collector,so if you wanted to deal maybe you could have one for your back yard. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26136	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26137	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: Re: Winter Set on eBay shows yellowing...

Chuck: we actually have a lot of yellow snow here in New York City. It doesn't start out that way, but it gets that way real quick! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26138	From: Steve Jones	Date: 6/27/2003
Subject: NASG 2003 National Convention

Hi everyone. I wanted to let you know that the Badgerland S Gaugers just completed what we believe are the final web site updates in preparation for the 2003 NASG National Convention. We have a first class convention hotel, great lineup of tours, a full slate of clinics, a sold out trading floor, and plenty of activities for family members. Register soon as July 9th is just around the corner. Check out the details at http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/NASG2003/NASG2003.htm. Visit the web site or contact any BSG member if you have any questions about the program. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26139	From: John A Foley	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: Clinic

Hi Folks Check out the clinic on Friday from 10am to 11am. At the convention Chick http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/NASG2003/NASG2003.htm.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26140	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: Capacitors and Transient Suppressors

Cheers, Yabo Capacitors and Transient Suppressors reduce the inductive kickback from any kind of coil when the current through the coil is interrupted. The interruption happens when you open the switch feeding the coil. There is another phenomena called switch bounce that causes wear and tear on any switch used to control a coil. When you try to open or close a switch the switch bounces open and closed quite a few times before finally becoming a good contact. During the time when the switch opens the voltage across the coil will rise as high as needed to cause the current to continue flowing. This current must continue across the switch thus causing arcing. By placing a capacitor or transient suppressor across the coil the current has some where to go other that as an arc across the switch contact. None of this discussion has anything to do with increasing the LIFE of a coil as the life of a coil is usually dependent upon how hot it gets and good the varnish is on the magnet wire. I have always thought the AF motors would benefit from transient suppressors across the commentator segments. Maybe one of these days I will try this. Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26141	From: Bradley	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: Snow Panel Yellowing And Reproduction

Several years ago I purchased a set of snow panels that were almost brown in color from being dirty. The track was removed and the panels were washed in the sink using dish detergent and cool water. They came out nice and white although some of the sparkle washed away, but not too bad. It would be nice to see anything reproduced for the All Aboard sets ESPECIALLY the scenery items like street lights, stop signs, long picket fences, the colonial house...etc. Lots of panels out there, but no scenery. Scenic panel stuff seems to be pretty much on the bottom of the food chain as far as collecting AF goes but there are people collecting it. If the scenery items were readily available it might generate a little more interest in All Aboard collecting. My hopes would be that any reproduction of snow panels or other All Aboard items would follow the lines of the original production.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26142	From: Debbie & Ben	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: S/sn3 Modeling Guide *NEW* WEB SITE IS UP .... ALMOST!!!

Hello Everyone, Good News! The new web site is up ... bad news is that the email ModelingGuide.com is NOT yet configured. I will have this done probably this Sunday (Debbie ahs some honey-doos for me today :-( ) More good news! We have our very first article for the very first issue! This article is from someone that I believe everyone knows & respects. HINT: His caboose was on the cover of the last 1999 Issue. Please quench the rumors that I am having trouble with email. Not true. Debbie & I have been receiving tons of email ... every day! Finally, Please note our P O Box below for your Subscriptions, Articles & Product Reviews! I was just there today and not one piece of mail <GBG> ttfn! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 0056 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 www.modelingguide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26143	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: FA/FB, E-units, and Consolidations.

Dave, The "FA" designation is Alco's (American Locomotive Company) model number of a freight version of the "PAs" diesel passenger locomotives, which were modeled by A.C. Gilbert.. The "FA" is the "cab," while "FB" is the unit without a cab. A designation of four "FAs" is probably wrong. You might have two "FAs" separated by two "FBs," but four "FAs" would be rare, indeed. For some reason model railroaders miss the difference between A (cab units) and B (blind units). I believe, this coming from a steam buff, that these would correspond to the "cow and calf" parlance applied to modern diesels. "E-units" are the reversing relay that are used in Lionel 3 rail "O-gauge" trains. As I understand it, the name was brought over to the reversing relay in A.C. Gilbert made trains, whether mounted in the locomotive shell or the tender. "Consolidation" refers to steam locomotives having a wheel arrangement of 2-8-0. These were normally used in freight service, although some were occasionally. at least, at the point of a passenger consist. Some branch lines used "Consolidations" in mixed consists with freight and passenger cars both on the same train. W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must start by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dave wrote: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:29:27 -0400 From: "Dave in Maryland" <davidh@...> Subject: Questions As a follow-up to recent discussion about A and B units... 1. "A four-unit set of FA's" Only the first unit appears to have a cab. What does FA mean? 2. "Two E-units" What does this mean? 3. "Consolidations" How is this defined? Thanks, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26144	From: Steve Jones	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: NASG 2003 Convention - Convention Car

I neglected to mention the convention car in the positng I made yesterday. Here is the information. The National Association of "S" Gaugers and the Badgerland "S" Gaugers are Co-hosting the 2003 NASG National Convention, The Great"S" Show On Earth, July 9 -- July 13, 2003 at the Olympia Resort and Conference Center in Oconomowoc, WI (Milwaukee area). The convention car is an S Scale America Sinclair tank car custom manufactured for the convention in limited quantities by Des Plaines Hobbies. Cars are available numbered as 2003 for the convention year, or with prototype number 8831. They are green with white lettering and the Sinclair logo. Either scale or hi-rail versions are available. The cost is $41.00 each, plus shipping and insurance. For more information Contact Roy Meissner, Convention Registrar, BOX 1 Merton, WI 53056 Ph. 262-538-4325 eMail: rmeissner@... or visit the BSG Web site at http://www.trainweb.org/bsg. "Sinclair" is a registered trademark and servicemark of Sinclair Oil Corporation. This product is produced under license granted by Sinclair Oil Corporation. The photo on the web site is of a pre- production car. Actual cars may vary slightly.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26145	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: transient suppressors

Am I missing something here? seems to me to suppress switch bounce, or arcing, the capacitor must be placed across the switch contacts, not across the solenoid. That's how I suppress arcing, anyway. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26146	From: butchclimax	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: 2 step reverser

Hi S group, I thought I could find this answer in several of the repair books or in searching the achives - but to no avail- I almost hate to ask the question-I know it must be a dumb one- I have a cheap ol Atlantic #21160 that was mine as a kid. I completly serviced the engine, cleaning and lube etc. and boy if that was'nt fun to watch run. My question though is - What exactly is the cab switch for. Is that what is meant by a "2 position reverser"? I've read a whole bunch of stuff in the archives about 4 position reversers and repairs. Do I even have a reverse unit in the tender (I didn't want to break it apart just to look). The engine does reverse when the cab switch is flipped. Is there a remote in the tender that is not working??? I can't remember how I reversed this engine 40 years ago, but it is still as much fun to play with!! Thanks fellas, Vic

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26147	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/28/2003
Subject: Re: 2 step reverser

Vic, No, that is not a "2 step reverser" that is a reversing switch! The only way to reverse that locomotive (short of installing a reverse unit. You locomotive would be advertised as "Reversible" but not "Reverses by remote-control." The two-step unit normally was attached to the rear of the motor, and filled some of the space where your switch is. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26148	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: Re: 2 step reverser

I had a 21160 with the manual reverse switch you describe. I've long since converted it to DC. That's the only reverse unit on the engine and tender. A four step reverse unit cycles forward-neutral-reverse-neutral. A two step reverse unit cycles forward-reverse (no neutral) 4 steps units are boiler mounted on early engines, tender mounted in newer engines. 2 step units are in the cab area on steamers. Both styles are remote control and also came on diesels. butchclimax wrote: > > Hi S group, > > I thought I could find this answer in several of the repair books or > in searching the achives - but to no avail- > > I almost hate to ask the question-I know it must be a dumb one- > > I have a cheap ol Atlantic #21160 that was mine as a kid. I > completly serviced the engine, cleaning and lube etc. and boy if that > was'nt fun to watch run. > > My question though is - What exactly is the cab switch for. Is that > what is meant by a "2 position reverser"? I've read a whole bunch of > stuff in the archives about 4 position reversers and repairs. > > Do I even have a reverse unit in the tender (I didn't want to break > it apart just to look). The engine does reverse when the cab switch > is flipped. Is there a remote in the tender that is not working??? > > I can't remember how I reversed this engine 40 years ago, but it is > still as much fun to play with!! > > Thanks fellas, > Vic > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26149	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: S/sn3 Modeling Guide: Looks Good

Best of luck. Will be in touch re subscription. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26150	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: E-units

Dave, "E-units" when used together with FA/FB, might also refer to diesel unit in attached link. A good reference book in this area is "Diesel Locomotives" The First 50 Years" by Louis Marre, a Kalmbach publication. I'm sure you can order off their website. Paul S. <A HREF="http://www.americanmodels.com/locos/e-8.html">Click here: American Flyer / AC Gilbert Compatible EMD E-8 from American Models</A> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26151	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: An unusal American Flyer Catalog

I have just posted on the website http://myflyertrains.org an unusal Flyer catalog, #D1502 1947. I have not seen this one before. It is not like the usual 1947 catalogs that you see... -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26152	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26153	From: lou342ac	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: American S Gauge

Hi Guys, Has any date been given when American S Gauge will have their S-54 switch in stock and available for sale? I sent Classic Trains an email but never got a reply. Bill Board had a sample of the switch at the TCA York meet. It's a good looking closed frog switch which will accomodate the bigger engines and I believe give trouble free operation. Curious Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26154	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: Transients and TV reception

May I add one small detail. Since Nephew has been adding supression devices to my AF trains, I have noticed that my wife no longer yells downstairs to me me..........SHUT OFF THOSE TRAINS I CAN'T WATCH MY PROGRAM!!!!! Seems that running my AF trains created 'brush noise' or switch noise, or action car solenoid noise that affects regular tv, cable tv, and radio reception (especially AM stations...try it for yourself, just run your trains while trying to listen to the radio or watch a tv in your 'train station' and just see if there is not noise or lines present). Also, I have noted that the added supression has eliminated the "snow" from a movie I would be taping on the VHS recorder from digital cable while running my trains. So, there must be some benifit to this! From what I understand. For ultimate circuit protection of your coils and switches a capacitor can be placed between each pole of the switch, pole to pole, pole to neutral, pole to ground, pole to device, pole to pole of any AF switching device. So, no harm can come from placing suppression across any two points of any device's poles ..........be it a switch / coil / solenoid / mains power / secondary power output. Nephew says, if you want to see redundancy in operation, then just open up one of the power supplies on a laser power supply. There are suppression and anti bounce devices galore. Nephew also says, the additional suppression cannot hurt and may help some of this old equipment to operate longer. And the price of the supression devices is dirt cheap. Plus++++++ it cleans up the "dirt" generated by the trains that interferes with broadcast reception on radio/tv. Yes, your AF train, while innocently puffing and chuffing along the rails looks quite benign, it may be adding a myriad of intolerable RF noise to your and your neighbors cable and radio signal reception!!!!! All I know is that most of my AF stuff is 50 years or older, so anything I can do to insure another 50 years is well taken.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26155	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/29/2003
Subject: transients and TV reception

Mikey: I think your nephew should write a description of exactly what he has been doing and why, and post it here. As a matter of fact, he should join this list! Sounds like he has something to contribute. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26156	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: transients and tv reception and Nephew

Ok, will do! I would love for him to join the list! I will ask him! It would be great to have some 'young blood' on the list with fresh new ideas! What do you think about his concept of 'transient suppression' so far as to the elimination of noise on radio and tv?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26157	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Commutator segments???

Robert, do you mean commutator segments on the rotor? And if so, how do you propose to place a 'transient protection device' across the commutator? There are three segments to each american flyer rotor, and I dare anyone to place a 'transient protection device' across each pole of a rotating commutator! There is simply no space for the suppression device in the motor field area. nor is practicionable given the tiny size of an american flyer motor. Surely you meant to say........an application of transient devices across the commutator field across the brushes and cross linked upon and around all portions of the main winding. Was that your intent? Sincerely, Alan.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26158	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: extreme transients

I am here for the 4th. What is it you wish to contest? Alan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26159	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: transient extremes of AF Commutators revisited

Post what you will here if you have questions regarding any and all AF problems or questions concerning power or rail hookup. Transient pickup rail and rail block questions are welcomed. Ask what you will, seek what you may, I am here to stay until July 5. Answers may take some time depending upon volume and family time. I have a major in Electrical Engineering. First in class. I do not wish to accelerate any bravado. What is, is simply what is. I am doing this as a favor for my Uncle. No stupid posts I do not like stupid. You want to quest, then feel free to do so. Ask honestly and you will be answered as such. Ask as a fool and you will be treated as such. But please ask. And I will answer as fits the question. Alan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26160	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: transient extremes of AF Commutators revisited

How Long is a "Short Circuit"? :-) Couldn't resist. Sorry. -----Original Message----- From: traindoctor2003 [mailto:traindoctor2003@...] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:16 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] transient extremes of AF Commutators revisited Post what you will here if you have questions regarding any and all AF problems or questions concerning power or rail hookup. Transient pickup rail and rail block questions are welcomed. Ask what you will, seek what you may, I am here to stay until July 5. Answers may take some time depending upon volume and family time. I have a major in Electrical Engineering. First in class. I do not wish to accelerate any bravado. What is, is simply what is. I am doing this as a favor for my Uncle. No stupid posts I do not like stupid. You want to quest, then feel free to do so. Ask honestly and you will be answered as such. Ask as a fool and you will be treated as such. But please ask. And I will answer as fits the question. Alan S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ + +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26161	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

Hi gang, The July list has been published. Again, a large amount of new items for sale from the estate of my dear friend and list member J. Paul Hartman. He truly loved buying vintage Gilbert so his estate will be feeding the list for many months to come. The new list can be found at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26162	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1926

Tom Jarcho: I fully agree with your comment about Mickey, Train doctor's nephew I believe he has some information to share and would be an asset to our group. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26163	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: transient extremes of AF Commutators revisited

Ken, That Depends, if you have Lucas Electrical components, FOREVER!!!! ;-) S' David D. (If you never had a British sports car, this statement means nothing, so trust me when I tell you that every country has had its great inventors: USA had Edison--Light Bulb, England had Lucas--Short Circuit. )

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26164	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: Transients and TV reception

I have an old 1977 black and white TV with single dipole telescoping antenna just 8 ft. from my layout and I get NO interference of any kind from any of my transformers or 35+ locomotives. If you need all that stuff then you may have a major wiring problem within your home. Steve Blackburn SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26165	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: Transients and TV reception

Now if you want to see the effects of some transients (and I'm not talking of migrant workers), you should run HO slot cars. The newer Tyco stuff isn't too bad, but we can't even have the TV on when using the old Aurora cars. The screen would just fill with static and you could hear the cars accelerate and decelerate. This was with the TV hooked to cable. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO -------Original Message------- From: boss31@... Sent: 06/30/03 04:01 PM To: traindoctor2003@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transients and TV reception > > I have an old 1977 black and white TV with single dipole telescoping antenna just 8 ft. from my layout and I get NO interference of any kind from any of my transformers or 35+ locomotives. If you need all that stuff then you may have a major wiring problem within your home. Steve Blackburn SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26166	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: Transients and TV reception

**(((I have an old 1977 black and white TV with single dipole telescoping antenna just 8 ft. from my layout and I get NO interference of any kind from any of my transformers or 35+ locomotives. If you need all that stuff then you may have a major wiring problem within your home.)))*** Shoot!! I'd better move out too then,...before the electrical fire!! :^) I haven't verified how many of my locos cause TV interference,..but for sure my ol' trusty 282 will cause it! It also caused a noise on my video camera when using it close to the track at Christmas. Now,..since then, I swapped armatures,....I'll have to run a test and see ifn' it still happens. FWIW....our house was built in the early to mid-60's. The den was added,..maybe early 70's...the 282 interfered with TV's in both the older and newer part of the house. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26167	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: Re: Transients and TV reception

***((((......., but we can't even have the TV on when using the old Aurora cars. The screen would just fill with static and you could hear the cars accelerate and decelerate. )))**** Ahhhh yes!!! I remember THAT, well!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26168	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 6/30/2003
Subject: transient suppression

Alan: I have two questions: First, your uncle, who is a valued member of this list, has been trying to describe what you have been adding to his trains, but his descriptions haven't been precise enough to replicate. Could you please describe for us exactly what you have done that has proved helpful? I feel that most Gilbert solenoids are robust enough that the large but brief voltage spikes that sometimes occur during derailments, etc, will not harm them because these spikes do not last long enough to overheat the solenoid windings. Of course, any solid state components, small capacitors, etc, are vulnerable to these spikes. What might be more helpful is some sort of inexpensive thermal cutout that temporarily opens the circuit if overheating occurs. Any ideas on this? Second, Gilbert motors arc too much at the commutators. Excess commutator and brush wear result. I have been looking for an explanation and solution for this problem for a long time. Lionel motors, for example, which are about the same size, do not arc anywhere near as much. Is there some kind of device that can be placed across the brush tubes that would reduce this arcing? I have tried non polarized capacitors of different sizes with no success. Thanks for your input. Looking forward to exchanging ideas with you. Tom Jarcho Contributing Editor, S Gaugian Magazine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26169	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: diodes

- GreetingS - I think most all the discussion on the matter of diodes is over. Mikey did all of us a service in enumerating the advantages of diodes in lighting circuits. The fact that diodes do not current-share has been touched on. One additional point is that if there are a large number of lamps being powered thru diodes from one transformer, you may wish to put the diodes in the hot side with abut half pointing (cathode band or bar end) toward the lamp and the remainder in the other direction. This spreads the load on the transformer over both halves of the current cycle and avoids having all the lamp current flow during one half cycle only. The transformer will operate a bit cooler. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26170	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: Re: diodes

--- rtg@... wrote: > - GreetingS - > > One additional point is that if there are a large number of lamps > being powered thru diodes from one transformer, you may wish to put > the diodes in the hot side with abut half pointing (cathode band or > bar end) toward the lamp and the remainder in the other direction. Won't this prevent all current flow in both directions? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26171	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: transient suppression

There are devices know as "transorbs", that are designed for suppressing transients. They look like disc capacitors, and are used in places like your power strips that you plug your computers into. I am not sure if they would have any application here, but they may, providing you could find one with a low enough voltage rating. Regarding brush sparking, I believe it is a matter of current and resistance. A clean comutator will arc less, just as your trains wheels will arc less when the wheels and tracks are clean. Did anyone here ever hear of a "spark gap transmitter"? They date back to the earliest days of radio, or wireless as it was called then... A voltage spark, a tuned circuit of sorts, and an antenna. Lets see, we have a good spark acrossed the train wheels and the motor's comutator, and we have a track, that kind of acts like an antenna. I must say I am very suprised that anyone is having trouble with trains interferring with TVs hooked up to cable TV. As a long time HAM, (amateur radio operator) I can tell you that a cable is supposed to be like a pipe. Nothing gets in or out of the air from it. If you are geting train interference, than either the cable has a leak (can happen) or your TV is of poor design and does not have the proper RF shielding or proper filtering of incoming power voltage. Believe me, keeping ham signals out of TVs is much harder than keeping toy train sparks out! It is almost always the fault of the TV receiver, or the installation of the TV set is incorrect, that is the problem. Incidently diodes in series with lamps (or anything else) do rectify AC into pulsating DC, but they also cut the voltage in half, in the case of a simple single diode in series. This is know as a "half wave rectifier". -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26172	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: WORK STATION

Hi Guys, I sold a work station to someone MAYBE on this list. If you have not gotten it (& were the person that bought it) Please contact me. Thank You, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26173	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: Re: transient suppression

***(((It is almost always the fault of the TV receiver, or the installation of the TV set is incorrect, that is the problem.)))**** Hey Chuck! Can you enlighten me further on the 'right' and 'wrong' way to install a TV???? :^) I am no electrical genius,...and I understand the cable theory,...but it seems to me,..that is possible for electrical interference to mess up a TV. If my camcorder can pick it up, why can't a TV?? I blame my 282 before anything else. Two different TV's,...two different rooms. Now the camcorder picked up the noise, just being close to the loco, and not plugged into the wall like the TV sets are. I have heard Christmas Tree lights that flash, make a 'click' on a TV. The mystery continues! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26174	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/1/2003
Subject: Re: transient suppression

I just ran my 282 and my 303,..and they BOTH caused slight interference on my TV in the den. Didn't seem to bother the digital stations though. The den is as add-on,...different breakers,....and like I said, my 282 will cause interfernce on the living room TV at Christmas when running it under the tree. Hmmmm..... Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26175	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: 2006 convention

Hi All, It will be 10 years ago the first week in August that we were all at the NMRA Valley Forge Express convention. I was the originator (instigator) to get the NASG into a joint convention with the NMRA. Charlie Leonard and I went to monthly meetings for 3 years before the convention. The NMRA convention will be in Philadelphia in 2006. I am not currently affiliated with any "club". I would entertain the idea of doing a joint NMRA & NASG convention if we can get enough committed bodies from this area to make a proposal, and attend the meetings. I will NOT be the one attending the monthly meetings. I have been there and done that. The crunch of manpower is not really needed until about 3 months before the convention. There were 26,000 people that came through the doors in 2 1/2 days of the public train show. We owned every hotel room for a 20-mile radius. That is a LOT of possible S Scalers. Feedback please..... Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26176	From: Alex	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: transient suppression

For what it's worth, "transorbs" have an inherent wear-out mechanism. They're fine for computer transient absorber boxes (AC line conditioners) where they're only exposed to occasional high-voltage spikes, but in any application where spiking is repetitive, transorbs are useless as they will soon degrade. == Alex in Maine http://users.adelphia.net/~alexmm/ai2q.htm .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Harrington [mailto:myflyertrains@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:13 PM Cc: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] transient suppression There are devices know as "transorbs", that are designed for suppressing transients. They look like disc capacitors........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26177	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: diode current sharing

FWIW, diodes can be used in parallel to current share if a small resistance is included in series with each diode. I'll leave it up to the competent elektronikers to comment on what the characteristics of those resistors should be. Jim Armstrong

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26178	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: transient suppression / ELECTRO MAGNETIC RADIATION!

Rick, A properly constructed TV picks up signals only through its antenna jack. This is usually in a modern set, on a coax cable. (If you have any of the flat 300 ohm twin lead (flat two wire cable) stuff anywhere, it has no shielding, and you should take steps to get rid of it!) People often sometimes involve things like TV game switches in the mix, or hook up various splitters and switches that are not properly shielded. Or there may be a cable jumper plugged into a cable jack but just coiled up and unused! If the coax coming to the TV has a properly installed F connector, and the TV is properly shielded, everything "should" be fine. If you are using a TV antenna either outside or inside (rabbit ears), then you will be picking up trains, electric shavers, car ingnitions, etc... If any of your neighbors has left a cable jack uncovered, ie a cable outlet that is not in use and is unconvered, you have a "leak" in the cable pipe. Signals inside the cable, many of which are not licensed at their frequency for over the air transmission, will leak out. In a similar way, other signals can leak in. Also, TV set manufactures leave out filtering and shielding that would protect their TV sets and other home entertainment devices from interference. They save a few cents per TV, which translates into huge savings on millions of units. When a consumer reports a problem, they have the electronic field service guy install a kit that contains the parts that where left out in the first place. It happens seldom, so most of the time they are ahead of the game! It affects more than TVs. You can receive signals on your home stereo, boom box, CD player and even the PA system at your church. I was in a movie theatre here in Orlando one time and there were CB calls coming over the movie's sound. Some guy out in the parking lot with a CB set, probably totally legal, but the theatre's sound system had a problem somewhere.... Here is a test. Lets say that your local broadcaster for CBS transmits on channel 6. Channel 6 is where you would set your TV if you had an antenna connected to the TV. But, you are on cable! You receive channel 6 on channel 5 on you TV. (it could also be another nearby channel, say 4 or 7). With your TV still connected to the cable, put your TV on channel 6, not the channel that the cable company tells you use, but the actual channel 6. More than likely they have put another signal their. Lets say that it is the shopping network. Watch the picture for a while. It is common for you to see the shopping channel you are tuned to, but in the background may be a ghost, a 2nd channel. This ghost will be the real channel 6 that the cable company deliberately moved off of channel 6 to prevent ghosting if they had any leakage. If you see double images on any of your channels 2 through 13 on your TV connected to cable, then there is a leak somewhere! It could be open jacks, loose fittings at connections which degrade the cable shielding, damaged cable, poor quality cable, or something that your neighbor has incorrectly hooked up. Maybe a cable jumper that someone plugged in to a cable jack, and at some point had a TV hooked up, but then disconnected the TV, but left the cable jumper still connected to the jack, maybe coiled up behind a piece of furniture. At the end, where its F connector is, the center conductor will have 1/4 inch or so sticking out. The shield is broken! Finding and getting this fixed can be a nightmare! It often will involve your cable provider that will feel that fixing such problems is not profitable. I have been on been on Directv (satellite) for years. The quality of the pictures we got on the cable on channels 2 to 13 was poor. Many other channels had low signal level, seen as somewhat snowy pictures. I never get interference from passing cars, electric shavers or electric trains. I also have my TV and other entertainment stuff on computer type UPS systems. We live in Florida, the lightning capitol of the world, so after I lost my first $500 laser disk player, I decided to protect all my stuff. A side benefit is that the power line also gets filtered for noise. Rick Evans wrote: >Hey Chuck! Can you enlighten me further on the 'right' and 'wrong' way to install a TV???? :^) > > > -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26179	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Gas-Electric

Got my "S Gaugian" in the mail on Monday and happened to notice Don's ad for the B-3, gas-electric was still running after its first appearance six months ago. At $399, that's a bit more than the original price, but I think I remember back about a year ago when one of them was up to $600 on E-bay. And, then, folks were begging to get their hands on one. Whatsamattau? Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26180	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: NASG

I doubt that anyone is crazy enough to do this, but Chuck Porter gave me the idea so I thought I'd at least ask. Airfare from here to Milwaukee is now over $600 which is usurious at best. Just wondering if anyone from southern CA was planning to drive to Oconomowoc via Interstate 40 and needed someone to share gas money? Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26181	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG

Get yourself to Chicago Midway on SWA and take the shuttle to O Hare. There will be tons of folks going from here and we will arrange to get you there. SWA usually has reasonable fares from the Southwest to here. Wear a flak jacket though. There seems to be a lot flying around here, but it's an S show so we will all make nice and have a good time. Best of Show Model Builders wrote: > I doubt that anyone is crazy enough to do this, but Chuck Porter gave me the idea so I thought I'd at least ask. Airfare from here to Milwaukee is now over $600 which is usurious at best. Just wondering if anyone from southern CA was planning to drive to Oconomowoc via Interstate 40 and needed someone to share gas money? > > Gerry Evans > In Flagstaff > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > To see or post Photos visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies 1468 Lee Street Des Plaines, IL 60018 1-847-297-2118 fax: 847-297-4976 www.desplaineshobbies.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26182	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: 30B parts

Does anyone out there have a case and two handles for a 30B transformer? Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26183	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Lamps and transient suppression

- Greetings - Scott asks a valid question regarding diodes. My comments on having about 50% of the diode polarity marks pointing to the lamps from the hot side and 50% pointing the other way assumed that small diodes are being used, one per lamp. No, I do not envision two or more diodes in series for any lamp or collection of lamps. Thanks to Chuck for his comments on the soft turn-on and off which half- wave rectification gives to lamps. A friend, formerly with GE Outdoor Lighting, told me this method of reducing lamp brightness yielded longer lamp life than switching the voltage on at high voltage parts of the cycle such as lamp dimmers do. Thanks also to Chuck for his comments regarding "built to the buck" TV sets (which includes most all of them). The fine print, probably on the back of the set somewhere speaks to FCC regulation (part 15?) that the TV will not interfere with other devices and, continuing, other devices may interfere with it. The plastic cabinet is good for meeting electrical safety requirements of UL, but does nothing with regard to keeping inter- ference radiated by other devices including AF #282 out of its sensitive circuits. Most series motors around the home today have interference-suppression capacitors connected in parallel with the brush holders. I have seen this in line-powered electric razors and electric food mixers. In the matter of experimenting to reduce AF loco interference, a 0.1 uF capacitor has about 25 kilohms reactance at 60 Hz. At 25 VAC across the armature (more than the AF transformer provides), the cap will draw only 1 mA. However it's reactance drops inversely with frequency which diminishes the inter- ference currents outside the loco. A similar cap between the tender or Diesel trucks will help some more. Maybe one cap every 10 feet of track will help. Therein lies the experimentation. I have not seen capacitors applied between the commutator segments on the armature. I suspect that the voltage stored on the cap when the second segment turns under the brush results in capacitive discharge currents thru the brush surface (one segment to the next) causes more harm than good. My close experience is limited to motors from the Norelco razor size to 21 HP, 120 V, approx 150 A series motors. If you know of one having a string of capacitors between segments, please tell me about it. Have fun controlling the noise. CheerS. Rhett - KE4HIH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26184	From: Tim	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Comutator arcing

Chuck Harrington wrote: A clean comutator will arc less, just as your trains wheels will arc less when the wheels and tracks are clean. Chuck, with all due respect, I believe that is an old wive's tale. Nobody has cleaner comutators than me. When I am done polishing one, I can admire my handsome face in the reflection. They still arc like crazy. I've also tried "Kremlin Paste" on them. They hate it. Same with the pickup wheels. I'm thinking there must be another cause, IMHO. Tim - I've been off list recuperating from a serious surgery - Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26185	From: Stoudt,Kenneth R.	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: Commutator arcing

Guys, Does brush spring tension and / or armature end float have any cause or effect on the arcing? I keep my armatures shimmed up to prevent excessive end float. All my steamers seem to spark alike. I have an old drill motor that arcs pretty much. Works fine but it sparks. Happy 4th. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Tim [mailto:Timboy@...] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:24 PM To: S-List Subject: [S-Trains] Comutator arcing Chuck Harrington wrote: A clean comutator will arc less, just as your trains wheels will arc less when the wheels and tracks are clean. Chuck, with all due respect, I believe that is an old wive's tale. Nobody has cleaner comutators than me. When I am done polishing one, I can admire my handsome face in the reflection. They still arc like crazy. I've also tried "Kremlin Paste" on them. They hate it. Same with the pickup wheels. I'm thinking there must be another cause, IMHO. Tim - I've been off list recuperating from a serious surgery - Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ + +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26186	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: transients, etc

What about MOV's? They act somewhat like circuit breakers. Do they also prevent spikes? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26187	From: Alex	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: Re: transients, etc

If I remember correctly, MOV (metal oxide varistors) is the generic name for devices such as TransZorbs (tm). == Alex in Maine http://users.adelphia.net/~alexmm/ai2q.htm .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 7:18 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] transients, etc What about MOV's? They act somewhat like circuit breakers. Do they also prevent spikes? Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26188	From: butchclimax	Date: 7/2/2003
Subject: For Sale/Wanted...

Hi Group, I'm pretty new to this group tho I've asked several questions and always get nice replies. THANKS. During the month or so of my readings here, I've noticed a variety of people selling (off list) or asking to locate/ purchase items. Is this allowed generally in this forum? Other groups sometimes will have a separte "For Sale/ Wanted" area that you can click over to. I'm curious because I'm in the process of looking for small items to complete a modest "ping-pong table" sized layout-that is once I locate a very used(read cheap) table. Anyway, do enjoy the list-so many ideas merging.. Vic

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26189	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Hi Tom et al> transients & suppression

Interesting questions indeed. What I will do is collect all the observations and queries from the varied list members that reply re:the supression issue and produce a small synopsis of my ideas and efforts toward quenching rf noise (my current specialty) that my Uncle Mikes fellow list members may find of help with their trains. I will provide it to the list for further inspection and scrutiny. I will place my findings after the 4th holiday as these past few days with family are consuming all my time. Most likely when I next see Uncle Mike two weeks hence with his reworked switches. I may also join the list. However, you are quite correct about the transients not harming the magnet wire, my concern is 50+ year old wire where the varnish has become compromised, that is why I am trying supression to possibly make these units continue to function for another 50 years without needing a rewind and adding a part or parts that are easily removable to retain the originality of the valued AF working equipment (some of the coils I have seen on Uncle Mikes equipment appear marginal at best as a result of time/attic storage/condensation and usage heat). Also, Uncle Mike has chastised me for being so arrogant in my list postings. Subtlety is not one of my finer qualities. Sorry. Alan.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26190	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Just in time for your holiday viewing!

The 1950 American Flyer catalog D1578 is now online in 1000 x 750 pixel scans! This was the "50 years of progress" catalog, and not the usual 1950 catalog you see! Have a nice 4th! -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26191	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: 307 Engine

When did the 307 engine come out?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26192	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Re: Just in time for your holiday viewing!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: The 1950 American Flyer catalog D1578 is now online in 1000 x 750 pixel scans! This was the "50 years of progress" catalog, and not the usual 1950 catalog you see! Have a nice 4th! > > -- > > Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org I find it interesting that both 1950 catalogs show the 370 with real link couplers. Was the factory trying to build it that way? Were there any built that way, perhaps for a toy fair? Or is it just an artist's concept? Was it dropped due to not working, or dropped for looks? jfred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26193	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Gilbert Microscope

Ihave an old Gilbert Microscope will sell or trad for S Make an offer. Also is there any list iof when a person signed on to this list,and when it started. I think I remember signing on in the 200'S if any one remembers I would like to know Also I need to have My Address changed to Cropinsirance1@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26194	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Car 715

I have recently gotten my dad's trains. I have car 715. I know it is a car loader. I also have the track for it. But not sure how to wire it. Also have piece with a long bar on one side that attaches to track. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26195	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Re: Car 715

Here is a link to the instructions for the 715. http://www.tuveson.com/afmanual/page29.jpg Carl -----Original Message----- From: John Gattis [mailto:JHG2572@...] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 3:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Car 715 I have recently gotten my dad's trains. I have car 715. I know it is a car loader. I also have the track for it. But not sure how to wire it. Also have piece with a long bar on one side that attaches to track. John S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26196	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: eBay item 2938366757 (Ends Jul-04-03 224457 PDT ) - INVISIBLE FRENC

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2938366757&category=1469 It is not train related, but is worthy of a chuckle! Amazing what kind of garbage is out there. Found this from a food service website. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26197	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Q's about Baldwin Switchers

1) Which years did Gilbert put E units in vs the flip switches? 2) The new Lionel Baldwin's - same shell as the Gilbert ones? Swap between the old and new? 3) On the Gilbert ones, did they all have couplers running around on the pin? Mine flops around so much I can't imagin trying to do real switching with it... let along switching without the E unit. Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26198	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: KC Adjustments

Some recent 9xx cars I got - the weight hangs down so low on the KC they smack the star in the 90' crossing and wreck the train. Suggestions!?!? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26199	From: gelocoguy	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: 2004 NASG Convention

After receiving two proposals for hosting the 2004 NASG convention, the NASG BOT a fee hours ago dicussed and approved the following: The 2004 NASG Annual Convention will be hosted by the Des Plaines Valley S Scalers in the Chicago area on July 28 - August 1. The 2004 NASG Western Regional Convention will be co-hosted by the Greater Seattle S Gaugers and the Northwest S Scalers in the Tacoma/Seattle, WA area on July 10 - 14. This will be the first NASG regional convention. Further details will be available in Oconomowoc at this year's NASG Annual Convention. Lee Johnson NASG Convention Committee Chair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26200	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Re: KC Adjustments

Bend up a bit the sheet metal tongue that that holds the coupler Michael Lueck wrote: > Some recent 9xx cars I got - the weight hangs down so low on the KC they smack > the star in the 90' crossing and wreck the train. > > Suggestions!?!? > > Thanks! > Michael > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26201	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: Baldwin Couplers

Hello, You need the part called a "leaf spring" --for centering K-couplers. These must be missing on yours. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26202	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: K Line S Cars

Hello, I bought 2 K line boxcars. I found one of them has a tendency to derail through AF switches. On closer examination, I see that the wheel flanges are not tapered to a point. I think the flange is getting pinched in the flange guard section of the switch (if that is what you call that formed rail length near the frog). Otherwise, the trucks on these cars are sprung construction--again, if that is the correct terminology. I really enjoy Chuck Harrington's catalog site. Many thanks for that Chuck! JohnR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26203	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/3/2003
Subject: INVISIBLE FRENCH FRY only 1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2938366757&category=1469 <<<<It is not train related, but is worthy of a chuckle! Amazing what kind of garbage is out there. Found this from a food service website.>>>> Gee,...it has gotten TWO bids!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26204	From: rfgiardina	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: KC Adjustments

The instructions for the proper adjustment of Knuckle Couplers, has been added to our web site. The direct link is http://www.rfgco.com/catalog/KCouplers.html RFG --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@l...> wrote: > Some recent 9xx cars I got - the weight hangs down so low on the KC they smack > the star in the 90' crossing and wreck the train. > > Suggestions!?!? > > Thanks! > Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26205	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: Q's about Baldwin Switchers

<< 1) Which years did Gilbert put E units in vs the flip switches? This practice started in 1958 (e.g., the M&StL 21813). << 2) The new Lionel Baldwin's - same shell as the Gilbert ones? Swap between the old and new? >> Judging by the Lionel version I had in my hands, the major changes in the old tooling is in the improvement of external details. They should be able to be swapped, possibly after some minor work. << 3) On the Gilbert ones, did they all have couplers running around on the pin? Mine flops around so much I can't imagin trying to do real switching with it... let along switching without the E unit. >> The couplers should be fitted with a brass shim return spring to keep the coupler centered. However, the REAL original mission of the Baldwins was to be a cheapy engine to pull starter sets, not a serious yard goat. One bought 0-8-0s and GPs to do that job. The new (geared down) Lionel version should prove to be able to do switching. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26206	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: KC Adjustments

RFG, Well, those instructions are fine, given a pristine truck that doesn't have anything else wrong with it. Unfortunately, few of us have trucks in that condition, by now they have been bent, tweaked, twisted, etc. <Warning, blatant plug follows> I wrote a "Fixin' Flyer" article in the NASG Dispatch a while back on just this subject. Just like the real trains, our trains require truck maintenance and alignment. Both axles must be parallel in both planes, the Bolster area must be "square" with the truck sideframes, and THEN the coupler must be adjusted for proper coupling, and clearance from the railhead. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26207	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: K Line S Cars

On the k-line cars....Charles Ro has them for 16.95....I ordered 11 and the shipping was only 6.00...Bob http://www.charlesro.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CRSC&Categ ory_Code=SKRS BOY HAS THE LIST SHRUNK....ON THE 2ND ALL WERE LISTED.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <JRKRrdd@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 12:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] K Line S Cars > Hello, > > I bought 2 K line boxcars. I found one of them has a tendency to derail > through AF switches. On closer examination, I see that the wheel flanges are not > tapered to a point. I think the flange is getting pinched in the flange > guard section of the switch (if that is what you call that formed rail length near > the frog). Otherwise, the trucks on these cars are sprung > construction--again, if that is the correct terminology. > I really enjoy Chuck Harrington's catalog site. Many thanks for that Chuck! > > JohnR > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26208	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: glues

There was recently an excellent lenghty discussion about a several adhesives on the Sn3 list. Its a bit long to repost, but I'll send it to anybody that wants it. If you want good modeling tips, it is well worthwhile subscribing to the Yahoo Sn3 list. If a lot of people ask for it, I'll post it in the FILES section of the Groups site. -- Ted Larson www.kodak.com/go/racing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26209	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: Q's about Baldwin Switchers

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:37:28 EDT, RBubeck327@... wrote: >This practice started in 1958 (e.g., the M&StL 21813). Aaahhh, so for the real switching shown of that M&StL in the second TM AF video means the owner swapped shells with an older Baldwin? Thus where my question was headed... if I'm going to swap shells to allow M&StL to do real switching, then I might consider doing so with a newer Lionel unit inside/below. Before buying a Lionel just to fiddle, was wondering if anyone had tried to see if it lines up with NO modifications to the shell. Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26210	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: KC Adjustments

Thanks for all the input on and off list. In my case things were in such good condition thus my need to ask. I had lined up the couplers between known good ones and these grumpy ones and everything looks so much the same height wise... so I know I don't have much adjusting to do. Thanks again! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26211	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: SHS CNW Stock Car

Want to know whether the yellow and green SHS CNW stock car is correct for your era? The April 2003 Mainline Modeler has an article about CMO livestock cars, which also includes info about CNW livestock cars. According to this article, the first yellow and green livestock cars on both roads were mid-50's. Most cars were gone by 1964, a few stayed around until 1967. -- Ted Larson www.kodak.com/go/racing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26212	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: Q's about Baldwin Switchers

In a message dated 7/4/03 2:19:29 PM, pianoman@... writes: << Before buying a Lionel just to fiddle, was wondering if anyone had tried to see if it lines up with NO modifications to the shell. Thanks! Michael >> The Lionel Baldwin is not out yet. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26213	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Rocket Sled

HI All, Does anyone know where I can find a Rocket Sled? Repo would be fine I have the 25515 Flat. Thanks for your reply. Don R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26214	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Re: Q's about Baldwin Switchers

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 15:19:56 EDT, rbubeck327@... wrote: >The Lionel Baldwin is not out yet. I thought someone had posted a review to the list already....???? hhhmmm Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26215	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Q's about Baldwin Switchers

I have spent many happy hours switching with my Gilbert Baldwin switchers. When my first Baldwin and I were both fairly new, I spotted cars at accessories and made up trains with it. I grew up near a New York Central freight yard and that kind of action fascinated me. The Baldwin resembled the switch engines in that yard. When I returned to Flyer trains in adulthood, most of the Baldwins I acquired did not work that well, although one of them worked fine with no modification at all. . I learned to replace the armature bearings, shim the axle bearings, rewind the armatures and fields, and add weight. I also added free standing brass wire handrails to one of them. Once these changes had been made, and the couplers repaired and adjusted, they were quite capable of switching chores. I always have a freight classification yard with electric uncouplers in my layouts, and as long as the cuts of cars involved are no longer than 8 cars or so, my Baldwins do fine. They go through Flyer switches better if you remove the pickup shoe on the power truck. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26216	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 6, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26217	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/4/2003
Subject: Baldwin

If you want to repower the shell, no need to get the "L" version. Contact Steve at S & S about his kit, it comes with the electronic reverser. They've told you about the springs to center the couplers. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26218	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: Baldwin

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:10:54 -0700 (PDT), JFrederick Roberts wrote: >Contact Steve at S & S about his kit, it comes with the electronic reverser. Need some jargin help: S&S is? I take it what you are suggesting is the entire bottom of the engin so I don't break the collector value when/if I would want to sell it? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26219	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: Q's about Baldwin Switchers

In a message dated 7/4/03 3:50:43 PM, pianoman@... writes: << I thought someone had posted a review to the list already....???? hhhmmm Michael >> Yes, I posted a review of an engineering preproduction sample that I had had the opportunity to look at. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26220	From: dav21248	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: K-line S Cars

The K-Line cars are $14.49 at Island Trains. The shipping is $7.00. Dave L.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26221	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel

I am considering buying either MTH's or Lionel's recent re-production of Gabe. Any comments or opinions on which is better in terms of detail, operation, durability or collectability? I am primarily a Hi-Scale operator. Thanks in advance for any insights. V. Neimanis Ottawa, Canada [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26222	From: lou342ac	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: K-Line S Cars

Picked up two of the S-Gauge K-line tankers from my favorite local Train Shop Thursday evening. The paint schemes, trucks, wheels and couplers are first class. By the way the coupler is a metal coupler and has a good snap action to it. After putting the cars on the track with a mixture of 'Flyer', 'S-Helper' and 'AM' rolling stock, I was dissapointed with thier physical size. I had read the cars were made from old Marx tooling but didn't realize how oversized they would look when mixed with S-Gauge manufactured equipment. Looks like K-Line is going done the same trail as Lionel. They want a share of S-Gauge market with little faith in investing money in the product. Other than the trucks, wheels and couplers, this is a modest investment on their part. They are using old tooling that no longer had a customer base in the O Gauge market. Lionel has done basically the same thing, using Gilbert tooling and putting S Gauge trucks and couplers on 0-27 equipment. At least with Lionel the majority of the equipment is S Gauge. They have also promised a new steamer, it would be nice to see them deliver on this new American Flyer product. If this steamer is manufactured, I do believe it will be the first entirely new S Gauge product from them. American Models and S-Helper are continuing to offer us new products with what I'm sure is a large investment on their part in development and tooling. Continued support on our part will keep new products coming from these dedicated S Gauge manufacturers. While the lower prices for equipment offered by K-line is certainly attractive to us all. We shouldn't forget, just what it is we're getting for our money. My two cent worth. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26223	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: K-Line S Cars

<<**((( After putting the cars on the track with a mixture of 'Flyer', 'S-Helper' and 'AM' rolling stock, I was dissapointed with thier physical size. I had read the cars were made from old Marx tooling but didn't realize how oversized they would look when mixed with S-Gauge manufactured equipment. )))**>>> Ahhh......this is what I was really curious about,..... how they looked running with other brands of rolling stock! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26224	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S Cars

In a message dated 7/5/03 4:53:14 PM, lou342ac@... writes: << I was dissapointed with thier physical size. I had read the cars were made from old Marx tooling but didn't realize how oversized they would look when mixed with S-Gauge manufactured equipment. >> Well, those of us who saw the K-Line cars at York posted warnings here last spring. <<Looks like K-Line is going done the same trail as Lionel. >> Not quite. Lionel, afterall, is using original Gilbert tooling and there is a market for that approach. The all-new steamer is on track and will be announced at the NASG convention. We'll see how they deliver. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26225	From: rj4010d	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: K-Line S

Tank cars: Glued to frame, gentley pry tank from frame remove trucks from frame ( screw & nut ) cut ,file or something to remove half the thickness of the bushing that was between the truck and the frame use wood or plastic dowell to fill hole in bottom of tank,drill for screw to thread into dowell and reattach the truck directly to tank. result,tank car does not stand as high as box cars now!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26226	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S

Oh Aren't we the little genius Bob! Beth, made comment about size of box car. Took her to the yards down by Delphi/GM and showed her how box cars are different sizes. She now say they look good. And that my friends is from my wife! Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG TCA www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26227	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S

That is what I thought comparing it to AFG cars. They are comparing it to one of the smallest prototype 40' box cars made. If you saw a 40 footer in a consist today it would look like a toy! Comparing the new K-line box car to an AM. 50' footer, it is very close. I love the new paint schemes and the trucks too. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Cbtrainnut1@... [mailto:Cbtrainnut1@...] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 6:45 PM To: guckian@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line S Oh Aren't we the little genius Bob! Beth, made comment about size of box car. Took her to the yards down by Delphi/GM and showed her how box cars are different sizes. She now say they look good. And that my friends is from my wife! Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG TCA www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26228	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re: Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel

Hello! I've got the original Gabe and the Lionel re-issue. I don't know about the MTH one but the re-issue is a dead ringer. The only problem I've had is that you have to be careful that you do not "over rachet" Gabe when he is at the top of the ladder(push the UP button one too many times!). He does get stuck every now and again. Other than that I'm very pleased with it and it gets a big response at shows... Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neimanis,V. [NCR]" <v.neimanis@...> To: "'S-Trains@yahoogroups.com'" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 2:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel > I am considering buying either MTH's or Lionel's recent re-production of > Gabe. Any comments or opinions on which is better in terms of detail, > operation, durability or collectability? I am primarily a Hi-Scale > operator. > > Thanks in advance for any insights. > > > V. Neimanis > Ottawa, Canada > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26229	From: Karl Raab	Date: 7/5/2003
Subject: Re K-Line Cars

Overall I like the K-Line cars and will probably buy more of them...and Carl is correct that they match up well with 50' AM Boxcars in height and width...but with all the effort and expense that K-Line has obviously put into these cars would have been so much more expensive to do it right. Why did they mimic AF paint schemes and numbers..{although I must admit among the first cars I bought were the L&N and MP clones :-) }....and could someone enlighten me as to which roads used 43'cars.... Thanx...Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26230	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Painting old AF cars, a terrible mistake?

Wanting to rejuvenate my old AF handcar, I applied 'rust'o'leum' spray paint to the body. Followed the can instructions to the 't' about several light mist coats, then let dry, and apply a final "wet coat". Oh what a mess!!! The original AF paint crinkled up! What kind of paint did Gilbert originaly use on his painted cars? Is there any kind of paint stripper I can use to get rid of all the crinkled paint safely so I can start over? Thanks so much, mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26231	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Re K-Line Cars

Dear Karl, What expense? Truck and couplers are the only expense that I can see. Paint masks, plates and film would have been needed no matter what the model so that part of the expense is not really considered new tooling. Maury was looking for a way to enter S with a minimum investment. He used the old Marx tooling which is not modeled after any particular boxcar. It is not S scale as their is not a real car 64X larger than their model. The trucks are S scale as they are the same AAR type "Y: truck that we designed. The coupler looks similar to ours also so I think the design costs were not that great either. Being we use the same builder, I would venture to estimate that is tooling cost was about 20% of a new car....let me re-phrase that, with the level of detail as seen on the new boxcar, the cost is about 40% of a new car. Re: Freight car lengths - When you go searching for prototype freight car lengths, remember, the railroads were mostly interested in the inside length of the car (were the 'freight" ended up). So PRS, SHS & AM has a 40'6" boxcar the overall length of the body is larger.. DT Karl Raab wrote: >...but with all the effort and expense that K-Line has obviously put into these cars would have been so much more expensive to do it right. > >...and could someone enlighten me as to which roads used 43'cars.... >Thanx...Karl > > PS I would like to know this one too! > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26232	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars

As has been pointed out, you will undoubtedly notice that these cars are a bit larger than Gilbert boxcars and tank cars. These cars were produced from original Marx 3/16” scale tooling, as was announced right from the start. Keep in mind that real boxcars came in many different sizes, as did tank cars, although Gilbert only modeled one specific size of each. These boxcars, for example, scale out to 43’ feet in length, 10.5” wide, and 15’ above the rails. Quoting from the January 1983 Official Railway Equipment Directory, box cars ranged in length from 40' 6" to 47' 9", widths from 10' 4" to 10' 8" and heights from 13' 7" to 15' 1". Thus, these boxcars fall within those specs in all three dimensions. Yes, they look "oversized" next to ACG cars, but ACG cars were among the smaller cars modeled. We did not research tank car specs in the R.E.D., but I am sure that the results would be similar. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26233	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Painting old AF cars, a terrible mistake?

I have successfuly used brake fluid. Try a spot that won't show on the inside of the handcar. Let it set overnight. If the sample does not attack the plastic then soak the body overnight. Repeat if necessary. Then clean off thoroughly. I think if I did it again I might try my dishwasher for the cleanup. Chuck Smith NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines ----- Original Message ----- From: "traindoctor2003" <traindoctor2003@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:27 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Painting old AF cars, a terrible mistake? > Wanting to rejuvenate my old AF handcar, I applied 'rust'o'leum' > spray paint to the body. Followed the can instructions to the 't' > about several light mist coats, then let dry, and apply a final "wet > coat". Oh what a mess!!! > > The original AF paint crinkled up! > > What kind of paint did Gilbert originaly use on his painted cars? > > Is there any kind of paint stripper I can use to get rid of all the > crinkled paint safely so I can start over? Thanks so much, mikey. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26234	From: trzp1800	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars

Hi: Hey guys, not all products made for the S gauge market need to be "scale". Some sturdy, "kid compatible", entry priced rolling stock seems like a great idea to me. Team these up with a repainted Atlantic for $30-$40 and some K-Line track, an MRC or other transformer and you've got a great Christmas set for your grandkids. And it'll run for 20 years. I'd list the new baldwin locos as the motive power but that throws the set out of the "entry priced" little kid set that i have in mind. If you want "prototypically correct" stuff there's lots of good equipment available. And, as i've read here in the past, if you want to kitbash these things into a more realistic "scale" appearance you can do so, though for my money i'd just as soon make it from scratch or buy a scale kit. Have some fun guys/gals, 43' of opinion, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26235	From: Alan Evans	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Check the names -- introduce yourself

Friends, This week we meet for our yearly " S vacation" in Wisconsin. At the convention we'll be wearing nametags--many of us know each other and it'll be like "old home." But take time to introduce ourselves to those we DON'T KNOW and make some new acquaintances. We'll be wearing our names -- check them out! Enjoy the Convention -- I'm looking forward to it! Alan Evans Gahanna, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26236	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: K Line Cars

Hello, I put my 2 K line Boxes along side the Lionel "Stable of Champions" Car that was gifted to me. I see no difference in size there. All of it looks O Gauge to me. They appear less obvious when run with S -50' Boxes as mentioned. These K line Boxes are the kind of stuff you can hand to a 4 year old and if he uses them like a fly swatter, well maybe there would be little damage. I think they are as sturdy as the old AF stock. Not bad for the lower price. These were some ideas I read on this list in the past--as sought after. The roofs look ackward to me and that is my complaint for appearance---too much slant and too much detail there? Maybe this K Line stock should be warmly received? After all, K Line may look to offering other S Stuff if these sell? At least that would be my guess? John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26237	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Need help RE: AF - K-Line track spacing

I am creating a siding for the ACSG layout at next week's GATS in Richmond VA Before I attempt to do the math or "eyeball" what looks best, can someone tell me what the space between the main line and the passing siding track should be when using a wide-radius K-Line curved section connected to a standard AF switch? Standard AF curves are supposed to produce a siding 5" On Center, according to the module instructions, although my field trials trend to want to measure a little wider. I am estimating 5-1/2 inches O.C. for the siding with the wide radius return curve. I get 5-5/16" to 5-3/8" measuring the track plugged together but as with all tinplate track it is not an exact science. I wouldn't worry about it except there will be future modules and I can make it right from the start. If no one knows, maybe we can reach a consensus. Please copy to my e-mail address. I hope to reach a conclusion and finish the modules tonight. Nick Colleran

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26238	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Painting old AF cars, a terrible mistake?

Hello, Last winter I finally got around to toying with 2 old AF boxcars that someone had mangled with a poor paint job. I experimented with a white paste water soluble stripper that comes in a plastic jug. I didn't want to go outdoors and/or rocket myself to outer space working near the water heater/furnace with other strippers. We had used this stuff on furniture, but the label fell off the container years ago-there was less odor as well. It slowly took off the paint, but if left on the car body, it did attack the plastic on one box car, but not the other? This took lots of repeat effort and rinse cycles. I eventually spray painted one boxcar with Rustoleum Flat Black that I had on hand. It was a (mistake) sensitive paint job, but the paint and surface did eventually dry (2 weeks+?) and I am pleased with it---The trick was to apply very light coats. Now I need a decal set (can't find) --probably N&W , as their scheme was black & white. The paint job is a dull looking black which is perfect for this application. The other box I painted white with spray paint which would not affect the plastic. I am pleasantly pleased with these. I figured out how to remove the rivets holding the door rails and brake wheel. You grab the rivet head with a good needle nose pliers. You turn the pliers counter clockwise and the rivet will unscrew out easily in about a half turn (do not pull straight out!). The reinstall is the opposite. I need decals for a white and one black AF boxcar! These 2 cars seemed like a lot of effort for what it was worth. They look good on the layout run --even without an identity. If there is any interest in pictures, I could post some--somehow? John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26239	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1932

Removing paint from A.F. equipment. Some plastics will strip with Scalecote paint remover, some use brake fluid I wouldn't. Best method is a 50% mixture of strong detergent, Pine-sol, Mr. Clean, etc,etc, & water in a large sealable tank ( tupper ware ) and soak for a long time. I have soaked shells up to a year, takes time, but it didn't harm the plastic. Plastic used in hand cars and frontier locos. is very allergic to petroleum distillates use plastic compatible paints. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26240	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Couplers link to knuckle

I have just gotten a collection of American flyer trains. Is there a way to convert or adapt a car with link coupler to knuckle coupler?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26241	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Painting old AF cars, a terrible mistake?

AUGH!!!! Yes, you did a terrible mistake, and I'm afraid you will find that the krinkle is in the plastic as well. One must be very careful when painting plastics, as some react with solvents in the paints. The original AF finish on these cars was not high gloss, and was a bit "orange peely" As the handcar is mostly flat surfaces, with no rivet detail, etc. you may be able to sand it down and start over with a plastic-compatible paint, such as modelling paint. S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26242	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers link to knuckle

Dear John, Good day! Here is the Guru's step by step: "To accomplish this, you can take a pair of medium duty needle nose pliers and grab the skinny end of the link pin and wiggle it side to side like the dentist does when you go in for an extraction. Most of the time the link pin will come loose and fall out. (This won't work on flyer o-gauge cars, as you will have to grind the pin off the truck) There was a knockout tool made for taking the pins out years ago, but it did more damage to the link coupler and the truck end, and I don't recommend going that route. Anyway, if you gingerly wiggle the pin form side to side, being careful not to bend the end of the truck too much, you should have no problem removing the link pin. The knuckle coupler is slotted to accommodate the end of the truck remaining, which looks like an L. Slide the coupler on the L, and put the conversion pin (split rivet) through the hole, and spread the end of it. Just slide a screwdriver in between the ends of the split rivet and spread them apart a little." If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you again. Sincerely, Leonard D Salins P.O. Box 31538 Philadelphia, PA 19147 blueprince@... 800-409-1909 http://www.GILBERTGURU.COM ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gattis" <JHG2572@...> To: <JRKRrdd@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Couplers link to knuckle > I have just gotten a collection of American flyer trains. Is there a way to convert or adapt a car with link coupler to knuckle coupler? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26243	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers link to knuckle

John, Yes, ACG made a conversion coupler kit, and repros are readily available--BUT! some like the links better than the knuckles, and if you have a lot of cars to covert, you might consider just making a few "transition" cars, that is a car with a link on one end, and a KC on the other. Unless you do a lot of switching operations, that will allow you some flexibility in train configurations without a lot of equipment alterations. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26244	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: K-Line Cars

Hi, The discussion on K-Line cars is very interesting but leaves more questions than answers. Why is 3/16 tooling from K-Line not S gauge? Interestingly enough, S-Gaugain in their May/June 2003 issue details the source of the tank car that AF based their car on. It appears that the AF tank car was a bit of a mistake and came out 12% oversize for S scale. So comparing to AF is not much good here. I have the K-Line Penn Salt car which is very colorful and has sprung trucks which I did not get on any of my Lionel cars at twice the price. I, for one, am happy to see more manufacturers get on the S gauge train. It is nice to have train cars that the grandkids can play with. Hopefully the success of this will cause K-Line and others to bring out more product to round out an entry level train set much needed in S and that the pressure of entry-level competition will cause Lionel to lower prices to compete or start producing train cars which are worth what they are charging. Alex(innotron)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26245	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers link to knuckle

**"some like the links better than the knuckles, and if you have a lot of cars to covert, you might consider just making a few "transition" cars, that is a car with a link on one end, and a KC on the other. "*** The links do look better on passenger cars, as far as the spacing between cars go. I plan on keeping all of my link cars the way they are, and run 'em with link locos. And of course, run the knuckles with knuckled locos. I agree with David,...a 'transition' car is a good idea....you can run 'em with either loco. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26246	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 6, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26247	From: G Nichol	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: K5423T 283 FREIGHT SET

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 26248	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/6/2003
Subject: Re: Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel

V. Neimanis wrote: >I am primarily a Hi-Scale operator. A WHAT operator?!? Sheesh, ya go off line for a few weeks, and a new scale gets invented. What's "hi-scale"? Stuff that's a little too big for the track? No, wait, that's HO. Stuff that's really expensive? No, that's brass in any scale. Um... stuff that works only in the mountains? What the heck is it?? :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26249	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: 2 vs 3

Hi Bill, Sometimes I get fried to easily over this issue. A friend of mine had a 3 rail shop. I talked him into carrying some S-Gauge. So what does he do? The same as every other 3 rail shop. He hides the stuff on the very most out of the way corner on a shelf. Here comes a new person to the hobby, what does he do? Here is a Cheap Lionel set to get you started. Does he give the customer an option? No! Does he promote the S-Gauge? Nope! Does he even show it to the customer? Heck no! Then he complained to me, It doesn't sell! No way, your kidding right? So I take the stuff and go to the train shows with it. I show the potential new hobbyist an option. Guess what, I sell the stuff. Not to everyone, no. Some come back with a HO set, some an N set, and some an O set. But yes, some come back and buy the S set. WOW! Now he says he probably should have given it more of a chance! Well, Duh! When you put the 2 sizes next to each other, S-Gauge has the same amount of detail. It is starting to get the same kind of choices with all the new product and sound systems. I even run DCC with my S-Gauge. But when you compare the track systems, S wins hands down unless you are talking O-Scale 2 rail. Great stuff! Smaller hands can Handle S-Gauge, and it's still got the heft of O- gauge. You can still see to put S-Gauge on the tracks too! And the best thing about the S-Gauge? None of the sound systems have that goofy engineer chatter going on. Just a bunch of noise anyway. But all this is just my opinion. So that's what counts! ( I am smiling as I am saying this!) I hope you all will forgive my ranting and raving! Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG TCA www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26250	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] RE: Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel

>> I am primarily a Hi-Scale operator. > Hey, Somebody finally hit the niche right where it feels good!! I are one too! Although my "layout" right now consists of a couple of loops on ply in the garage, (better days ahead) I run scale couplers with hi-rail wheels. But, like all of you folks, I have to have that detail. A Hi-Scale operator and proud of it :> Many thanks to V. Neimanis for giving "our" version of the hobby a moniker. If someone else has already named it, I will happily thank him/her also. Roy Inman ---------- > From: jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@...> > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 06:35:08 +0000 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel > > V. Neimanis wrote: > > > A WHAT operator?!? > > Sheesh, ya go off line for a few weeks, and a new scale gets > invented. What's "hi-scale"? Stuff that's a little too big for the > track? No, wait, that's HO. Stuff that's really expensive? No, that's > brass in any scale. Um... stuff that works only in the mountains? > What the heck is it?? > > > :^) > > > Chuck F. > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26251	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Paint Stripping/Cleaning AF

We go through this information every so often, but that's because we have new folks joining the list all the time. Here's my two cents: I agree with Jerry Dobbs that the best method of removing paint from old plastic AF bodies is to soak in a strong solution of detergent (personally, I prefer Tide, because that's what happens to be in the laundry room). Mix up a batch (I use about a cup of Tide for about 3-4 gallons of water in a bucket) and, depending on the age of the paint, soak for up to a week. I've never had to let it go as long as a year, as has Jerry. Brush occasionally with a soft toothbrush to help loosen the old stuff. Rinse well before repainting. It's a safe and inexpensive method. That's such a shame about the paint on the 740 Handcar. Here's my method of "rejuvenating" old, oxidized paint jobs without damaging the original: I use a Trasan microfiber cloth, and have reviewed its properties here in the past. (I am not a Trasan dealer, and have no financial interest in the company. There may be other microfiber cloths which work as well.) Simply moisten the Trasan with warm water, then begin rubbing down the shell. For stubborn stains, you may have to apply some elbow grease, but proceed with caution, pausing every now and then to check both the stain and the amount of pigment you're pulling into your cloth. If there are no mars or stains, then just a few minutes of rubbing, using nothing but warm water, will remove the oxidation and restore the original luster to your model. It's truly amazing! One of the Trasan websites: http://www.trasan.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/3/index.html Click on "Cloths & Towels." Hope this helps. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26252	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Paint Stripping/Cleaning AF

Flash! Just heard from a recovering O gauge guy that he uses with great results the Amway hand soap to remove paint from plastic cars (autos). He has not tried it specifically on AF bodies. I plan to try it as soon as I can find a local Amway distributor. Stay tuned... Roy Inman ---------- > From: JOHN EICHMANN <jeichmann@...> > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 09:01:39 -0600 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Paint Stripping/Cleaning AF > > > I agree with Jerry Dobbs that the best method of removing paint from old > plastic AF bodies is to soak in a strong solution of detergent (personally, I > prefer Tide, because that's what happens to be in the laundry room). Mix up a > batch (I use about a cup of Tide for about 3-4 gallons of water in a bucket) > and, depending on the age of the paint, soak for up to a week. I've never had > to let it go as long as a year, as has Jerry. Brush occasionally with a soft > toothbrush to help loosen the old stuff. Rinse well before repainting. It's a > safe and inexpensive method.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26253	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Sound board / talking station?

I thought I had seen an electronic sound board replacement for the talking station at one time, but I can't locate it on any of the obvious parts / electronics dealers. Does anyone have info on this board or was I dreaming? Gregg Mummert _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26254	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Removing paint

I like using the dishwasher. 1 to 2 cycles and you have a nice stripped and clean, as in oil and dirt free car body.Cascade works great! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26255	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: E unit how does it work

I know the E unit switches the motor for the engine to run forward or backward. But how does it work? I have engine that it looks like somneone tried to electronically replaced it. But All I get on the motor is a buzz noise and a armature just vibrates back and forth. Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26256	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1932

Service tip those people just learning to service there own equipment: I have never seen this topic discussed in any service manual. To protect the threads in plastic shells form repeated opening and closing ( by removing and replacing the screws ) when replacing the screws, turn the screw in reverse, you will feel the screw thread drop into the original thread in the shell, when you tighten the screw it will turn easier and seat in the original threads. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26257	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Re: E unit how does it work

Here is a link to AF Reverse unit diagrams that may help. http://www.tuveson.com/afeunit.htm http://www.tuveson.com/steamwiring.htm CArl -----Original Message----- From: John Gattis [mailto:JHG2572@...] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] E unit how does it work I know the E unit switches the motor for the engine to run forward or backward. But how does it work? I have engine that it looks like somneone tried to electronically replaced it. But All I get on the motor is a buzz noise and a armature just vibrates back and forth. Thanks John S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26258	From: lou342ac	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Re: Sound board / talking station?

Gregg, I purchased one of these from Doug Peck (Port Lines Hobby Supplies) a couple of years ago. I don't know if they're still available but I recommend checking with Doug. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Mummert" <gmummert@h...> wrote: > I thought I had seen an electronic sound board replacement for the talking > station at one time, but I can't locate it on any of the obvious parts / > electronics dealers. > > Does anyone have info on this board or was I dreaming? > > Gregg Mummert > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26259	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Re: Removing paint

I recommend you proceed with caution on this one. Some automatic dishwasher detergents have abrasive ingredients, because they are designed to remove baked-on food from things like pots and casseroles. You may find your plastic shells are getting some fine scratches. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cbtrainnut1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Removing paint > I like using the dishwasher. 1 to 2 cycles and you have a nice stripped and > clean, as in oil and dirt free car body.Cascade works great! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26260	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 7/7/2003
Subject: Re: E unit how does it work

John, have you tried running this one on DC? You wrote that someone replaced the electronics, now you have an armature that just vibrates. That could be consistent with a DC conversion. You can't run a DC-only motor on AC. If you do, it'll just try to reverse itself 60 times per second (hence the buzz noise and the vibrating armature) and eventually it will be damaged. However, you can run a Flyer universal motor on DC or AC. So you've got nothing to lose by trying it on DC for a minute or two. Good luck and post your results on the list so we can all learn from your experience. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gattis" <JHG2572@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] E unit how does it work > I know the E unit switches the motor for the engine to run forward or backward. But how does it work? I have engine that it looks like somneone tried to electronically replaced it. But All I get on the motor is a buzz noise and a armature just vibrates back and forth. > Thanks > John > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26261	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Re: Paint Stripping/Cleaning AF

Can't remember if this has been posted before, but just in case... Check this site for various methods to strip paint from plastic models: http://www.bonediggers.com/1-3/strip/strip.html Castrol's product sounds particularly promising... Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26262	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Removing paint/Dishwasher

Dan, The chrome passenger cars I did in the dishwasher came out in no worse shape than when they went in. Usually that way with most cars that are getting stripped at my house. I use the Casecade complete that is a clear blue gel that doesn't have the granular specs in it that you refer to. Should have stated that in my first post. I have also tried the brake fluid and easy off methods. Easy off pitted the plastic on the car I used it on and brake fluid made the plastic a little on the brittle side after a few weeks of soaking. I'll stick with the dishwasher. You made a great point on the pots and pans formulas grittyness though. Thanks. I love this forum! Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG TCA www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26263	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Electronic E unit

My dad constructed a electronic E unit out of 4 Transistors? for a 307 engine. By touching one side of the coil wire to a contact I can get the engine to move forward and by contacting another spot it moves in reverse. If I contact one spot the armature just vibrates back and forth. Any ideas? JOhn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26264	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Re: Electronic E unit

That sounds like a full wave bridge rectifier made of 4 diodes, not actually an E unit. Works by converting AC to DC. I assume your motor is DC by being a permanent magnet or having a rectifier between the field and armature. See Paul Yorke's web site at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/rectifier.htm for a diagram of what I'm talking about. Chuck Smith NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gattis" <JHG2572@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:14 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Electronic E unit > My dad constructed a electronic E unit out of 4 Transistors? for a 307 engine. By touching one side of the coil wire to a contact I can get the engine to move forward and by contacting another spot it moves in reverse. If I contact one spot the armature just vibrates back and forth. > Any ideas? > JOhn > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26265	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers link to knuckle

Dear John: Listen to the Master below and heed his warning. I received a set of 660 series aluminum passenger cars in 1971. They had been converted. They NEVER stayed coupled, no matter how much I tinkered. I final figured out the problem in 1988! A link coupler is 3/8ths of an inch tall. A knuckle coupler (including weight) is 5/8ths of an inch tall. The floor of the aluminum cars is too low for that extra 2/8ths of an inch! As I had tried so many things, I had damaged the tongues enough to not be worth converting them back to link couplers. (Besides, I didn't have that many links.) I went to my parts box, got out AF coupler shells and AF coupler knuckles, glued them together to make a 3/8ths inch tall knuckle coupler! Yes, it hangs a little low and does not uncouple but who breaks up the consist of a passenger train anyway? Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 12:18:38 -0700 From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> Subject: Re: Couplers link to knuckle John, Yes, ACG made a conversion coupler kit, and repros are readily available--BUT! some like the links better than the knuckles, and if you have a lot of cars to covert, you might consider just making a few "transition" cars, that is a car with a link on one end, and a KC on the other. Unless you do a lot of switching operations, that will allow you some flexibility in train configurations without a lot of equipment alterations. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26266	From: nasglibrary	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Mobley Library vacation

All -- The Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library will be closed from Wednesday July 9 through Tuesday July 15. The Librarian will be attending the NASG Convention in Oconomowoc WI. Dick Karnes, Librarian Russell M. Mobley Memorial Library NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26267	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers link to knuckle

Hi All, Thorin brings up another problem with converting to KCs. This is one of the reasons KCs set higher than Links, so you have to straighten out some of the "dogbone" in the coupler attatching arm of the truck frame, to get a KC that is high enough from the rail, and still square to it. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26268	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: 2003 NASG convention video

S-'n-S Trains will be looking to any of you out there that will be attending the upcoming convention and or the layout tours for quality video that you may take. If you would like to contribute video and get your name and credits on screen, please contact us. We will use this video along with what we have put together since last June for "S-Gauge Model Railroading" Vol. VII. It will come out in November. Thanks, and have fun. Steve & Sam SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26269	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/8/2003
Subject: Chev

With no word of any new Racing Champs S scale vehicles recently, I have not been stopping it at Target, Xmart, etc. Tonite though I stopped just-in-case. I was rewarded by finding a 50-55 Chev PU, dark green, at Target. So, for you guys that need a vintage PU and who are hitting the highway towards the cheese state, you now know that RC still has these available. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26270	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: Results on Gabe the Lamplighter Mike's or Lionel

Based on my earlier enquiry as to which product is better -- I had 6 replies from the list members; 3 for each. There were no real problems cited and final choice may largely be influenced by price or availability. Thanks to those of you who shared your views with me! V. Neimanis Ottawa, Canada [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26271	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: Live from the NASG convention

Hi All, For those of you who are unable to attned the convetion, I will try to give a few brief emails about it. First of all, the site is very nice and HUGE!! I will get a workout just walking around. The rooms are easliy a 3 minute walk frm the selling area. I have just finished the pizza party that was included. I thought that was very generous of the organizers. I will try to throw up a photo or 2 as the week progresses. Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26272	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: Re: Live from the NASG convention

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Lane <billlane@c...> wrote: > Hi All, > > For those of you who are unable to attned the convetion, I will try to > give a few brief emails about it. First of all, the site is very nice > and HUGE!! I will get a workout just walking around. The rooms are > easliy a 3 minute walk frm the selling area. > > I have just finished the pizza party that was included. I thought that > was very generous of the organizers. > > I will try to throw up a photo or 2 as the week progresses. > > Thanks, > Bill Any sign of Lionel at the convention? Word has it they are going to announce the prototype for the new S gauge die cast steamer. Looking forward to it... Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26273	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: Certainly Not Ebay

Hi Group, This is the only feedback forum on which I can leave the results of my recent transaction with Mark Premen (http://www.americanflyertrains.com/). The goods are good. The Service was great. The price was excellent. I am sure he has earned his star. Later, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 wpporter@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26274	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: Re: Live from the NASG convention

In a message dated 7/9/03 8:34:26 PM, sgriggs@... writes: << Any sign of Lionel at the convention? Word has it they are going to announce the prototype for the new S gauge die cast steamer. Looking forward to it... Scott >> Lionel will be there at teh NASG convention, and they will announce the new steamer. They should have some diecastings to show. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26275	From: Al	Date: 7/9/2003
Subject: DON'T USE PINESOL

Guys, PLEASE don't use Pinsol to dissolve paint on any AF trains as stated in the e-mail below. After being told that Pinesol works faster and easier than brake fluid, I tried this last year. Yes, it was fast, in less than 10 minutes it ate off the old paint and started to eat all the surface detail off my boxcar before I even took a toothbrush to it. Now the car has no rivets, no sidebeams, no boards on the roof, and what is left is a gnarled surface that is going to try my wits on how best to repair (or should I say salvage). I tried another car in brake fluid and used a toothbrush to scrape away about 98 % of the old paint and had no problems. I have also tried Scalecoat. It also works but is quite expensive compared to brake fluid and takes lots longer to loosen the paint. As stated on this list upteen times, don't use petroleum based products - no matter what kind of propaganda that is used to sell the product as being safe on plastics - or you can kiss your car goodbye. I'm unsure about any other paint removers. Be careful, even an old $4 car can become a headache if you are not careful. I have repaired several dozen AF cars by regluing broken parts, filling holes and gashes with green plastic putty, sanded and repainted using paints safe for plastic and re-decaled them as cars from several RR's that I can find S Gauge decals for. Why let these old beauts be ruined any further when, with a little patience and TLC, you can bring them back to life as a new car. Create your own railroad name and have your own special train set for your family to have fun with. Salvage all those old American Flyer cars you find, even two different halves of the same type of car car be put together to form a new car. I've done it several times and I am sure there are other members of this list who have also done this. With a little work, these "new" cars can rival anything L puts out. And you can be proud to say you have kept the history of AC Gilbert's American Flyer trains from disappearing from the land scape instead of becoming part of the landfill. Al Rawdon Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:13:04 -0600 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1932 Removing paint from A.F. equipment. Some plastics will strip with Scalecote paint remover, some use brake fluid I wouldn't. Best method is a 50% mixture of strong detergent, Pine-sol, Mr. Clean, etc,etc, & water in a large sealable tank ( tupper ware ) and soak for a long time. I have soaked shells up to a year, takes time, but it didn't harm the plastic. Plastic used in hand cars and frontier locos. is very allergic to petroleum distillates use plastic compatible paints.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26276	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Live from the NASG convention

Hi Bill: Thanks greatly and am looking forward to your reports! Great weather here in Norway. Regards, Rance Velapoldi Bill Lane wrote: >Hi All, > >For those of you who are unable to attned the convetion, I will try to >give a few brief emails about it. First of all, the site is very nice >and HUGE!! I will get a workout just walking around. The rooms are >easliy a 3 minute walk frm the selling area. > >I have just finished the pizza party that was included. I thought that >was very generous of the organizers. > >I will try to throw up a photo or 2 as the week progresses. > >Thanks, >Bill > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26277	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: NASG Convention - surprising debut!

Hi All, I am reporting live from day 2 of the NASG convention. Many vendors have not arrived yet. The selling hall is currently closed until 6:30 tonight so everyone can go out on the trips. The first notable is S Helper Service has new parts for their steam engine. However, the surprising debut so far is the announcement and accompanying parts from Lionel for a completely new S Gauge steam engine. It is going to be a USRA 2-8-2. It was kept very quiet until this morning. I had a few minutes with the Lionel representative just before the hall closed. I was impressing upon him to consider a scale DC version of it. He did not sound opposed to it. I think delivery is due late this year. So that is it for now. PLEASE do not reply to me asking 1000 questions about the Lionel engine. I am on a VERY slow dial up connection here. I thought I could upload the photos to my server, but I can’t get my FTP to connect. So, I am putting the new photos in the each of the Yahoo groups photo section in a new folder “NASG Convention 2003”. I am not sure about adding many new photos as it is a very time consuming process. There will hopefully be more reports as the week progresses. Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26278	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: Re: Electronic E unit

John Gattis wrote: .....If I contact one spot the armature just vibrates back and forth. My experience -----was momentarily applying AC current to a Flyer DC Motor. The armature wants to turn in both directions. You must be getting AC current from that connection and the motor must be DC? John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26279	From: dphobbies@earthlink.net	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Convention - surprising debut!

From: Bill Lane <billlane@...> Hi All, So that is it for now. PLEASE do not reply to me asking 1000 questions about the Lionel engine. I am on a VERY slow dial up connection here. I thought I could upload the photos to my server, but I can���t get my FTP to connect. So, I am putting the new photos in the each of the Yahoo groups photo section in a new folder ���NASG Convention 2003���. I am not sure about adding many new photos as it is a very time consuming process. Thanks, Bill Bill: Great report. We all like the Mike too. Too bad they are not putting the same effort into the Mike that SHS is putting into their Consolidation. It will still be welcome. FYI, the resort you are staying at has a business center with a couple high speed lines and it is available to all guests at no charge so you may post photographs for all. When you go back to the hall, just walk in the door where you see the fat man typing this and go to it and post everything. Isn't this convention neat? Ron Sebastian (with Sambo) from Oconomowoc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26280	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: [Fwd: S scale cattle]

-------- Original Message -------- From: "Douglas Harding" <dharding@ Subject: RE: Cattle If you want S scale cattle take a look at the cattle Lifelike includes with their HO modular Stock Pen (this is not a PK2 kit). If I remember right you get two pens and two packs of cattle in each box for $11.98 retail. The cattle are huge, esp when set next to a Campbell, Walthers, or other typical HO beef cow. In my wife's (another Iowa farm girl) opinion the Campbell are the best, and yes they are still available. For comparison: Campbell beef critter (Hereford) is: 7' 1" nose to tail and 3' 10"" hoof to top of shoulder Walthers beef critter (Angus?) is: 7' 0" nose to tail and 3' 8" hoof to top of shoulder DynaModels cast metal beef critter (Hereford) is: 7' 1" and 3' 11" hoof to top of shoulder Lifelike beefier critter (bull) is: 9' 3" nose to tail in HO, but measures out to 6' 8" in S. It stands 4' 10" in HO and 3' 7" is S hoof to shoulder. Lifelike beefier critter (cow/heifer) is: 7' 10" nose to tail in HO, but 5' 8" in S. It stands 4' 7" in HO and 3' 3" in S hoof to shoulder. You get 12 Herefords with the Lifelike Stockpen. Take the cattle, sell the stock pens. Doug Harding Iowa Central Railroad www.iowatelecom.net/~dharding/ -- Ted Larson http://soundbytes.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26281	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: Chionel

Based on the "latest" from the NASG convention, I just went out on the Lionel site. THere could be something brewing there. They have the NYC PA passenger set, two Baldwins and 16 or 17 cars, plus accessories. This is a lot more than they had in 2000 and 2001. Maybe they want to be a player in S gauge again. If their 2-8-2 is proced right and worth the buck, then we will definitely have another player. Let's hope it is. A rising tide is good for everyone. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26282	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/10/2003
Subject: Lets try this again- Convention Debut

Hi All, Thanks to the tip from Ron Sebastian, I am now on my high speed connection. Here are a few photos so far. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/SHS_loco.jpg http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Lionel_loco.jpg I am SURE there will be more now. The next debut will include the VERY nice Des Plaines composite gondola! Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26283	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Chionel

Bigfoot wrote: >Maybe they want to be a player in S gauge again. If their 2-8-2 is >proced right and worth the buck, then we will definitely have >another player. Flyonel does have a lot to live down, but they certainly appear to be getting serious. They made a good choice of engine type (2-8-2). All in all, it's very encouraging. AF may yet rise from coma. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26284	From: David	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Sound board / talking station?

Mark Preman carrys a reproduction of the original.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26285	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Chionel / Would be great in kit form!

Anyone want to guess what the retail price of this new AF Steamer will be? It occurs to me that this is the first new die cast steamer since the 1940s, and actually the Flyer molds were done before WW2, in the late 1930s... This seems to me to be real big! Seeing the parts laying there like that reminds me of the kits that Gilbert put out for the O gauge versions of their steamers in the late 1930s. If there were a kit version of the new Lionel engine, I would probably go for it. I often look longingly at the engine and rolling stock kits in the Gilbert catalogs that were out around 1940, and think how great it would be to build one! jayhoo64 wrote: >Flyonel does have a lot to live down, but they certainly appear to be >getting serious. They made a good choice of engine type (2-8-2). All >in all, it's very encouraging. AF may yet rise from coma. > > -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26286	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Lets try this again- Convention Debut

BILL....PROD THEM FOR PRICES....AND CAN WE PRE ORDER? KLINE'S ART. WILL BE IN THE 500 RANGE.....LOOKING AT YOUR PHOTOS I AM ABOUT READY TO ORDER...BOB CONNER

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26287	From: Bradley	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Railroad Wedding - just for fun

Got this in an email from one of my co-workers at the UP Fuel Track in Denver. Not "S" but just for fun....Brad...(www.allaboardsets.com) Subject: Round House Wedding!!!! Wedding Vows Here are the vows that someone wrote for the wedding of two rail buffs: Dearly Beloved, We are gathered here today in accordance with the FRA, AAR, ICC and other regulatory bodies to unite these two units in M.U. service. If anyone takes exception, file your grievance or get in the clear.. (Groom's name) Do you take this woman to be your trailing unit, tying down your pin lifter forever, and permanently restricting yourself from interchange service, even with newer, freshly-painted units, remaining coupled despite flat wheels, sticking brakes, even unto bad orders and major derailments, until you are both rendered unto scrap? If so, signify by sounding your whistle as prescribed by GCOR Rule 5.8.2, example 4. And,(Groom's name), do you promise to pull this unit up ruling grade, using throttle and brake wisely to prevent rough train handling, broken knuckles,> and pulled drawbars, applying sand as necessary to prevent wheel slip, so that you both crest the hill together, regardless of the trailing tonnage? If so, signify by sounding your whistle as prescribed by GCOR Rule 5.8.2, example 4. And do you also promise not to cut away from your trailing unit, even when her side sheets have rusted through, and her paint job has faded? If so, signify by sounding your whistle as prescribed by GCOR Rule 5.8.2, example 4. Now, (Bride's name), do you take this man to be your lead unit, tying down your pin-lifter forever, and permanently removing yourself from interchange service, even with newer series, high-adhesion, high- horsepower units, remaining coupled despite flat wheels, sticking brakes, even unto bad orders and major derailments, until you are both rendered unto scrap? If so, signify by sounding your whistle as prescribed by GCOR Rule 5.8.2, example 4. And do you promise to respond promptly to throttle and brake commands from your lead unit, handling your share of the tonnage, and helping your lead unit up ruling grade when necessary, being ever cautious to avoid unnecessary drawbar buff? If so, signify by sounding your whistle as prescribed by GCOR Rule 5.8.2, example 4. Do you also promise to remain coupled to your lead unit, even when he has a couple of traction motors cut out, and can no longer develop full horsepower? If so, signify by sounding your whistle as prescribed by GCOR Rule 5.8.2, example 4. Now, (Bride and Groom), as a token of your intent to M.U., make the joint and stretch the slack. By the power invested in me by the General Manager, Superintendent of Operations, and the Road Foreman of Engines, I now pronounce you permanently coupled. You may cut in the air.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26288	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Railroad Wedding - just for fun

LOVE IT.....BEATS US WANTING TO PARACHUTE OUT OF A PLANE WHEN WE WERE MARRIED.....PASTOR WOULDN'T GO ALONG WITH IT...BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradley" <belairchevy@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Railroad Wedding - just for fun > Got this in an email from one of my co-workers at the UP Fuel Track > in Denver. Not "S" but just for fun....Brad...(www.allaboardsets.com) > > Subject: Round House Wedding!!!! > > > > > > Wedding Vows > > Here are the vows that someone wrote for the wedding of two rail > buffs: > > Dearly Beloved, We are gathered here today in accordance with the > FRA, AAR, ICC and other regulatory bodies to unite these two units in > M.U. service. > > If anyone takes exception, file your grievance or get in the clear.. > > (Groom's name) Do you take this woman to be your trailing unit, tying > down your pin lifter forever, and permanently restricting yourself > from interchange service, even with newer, freshly-painted units, > remaining coupled despite flat wheels, sticking brakes, even unto bad > orders and major derailments, until you are both rendered unto scrap? > If so, signify by sounding your whistle as prescribed by GCOR Rule > 5.8.2, example 4. > > And,(Groom's name), do you promise to pull this unit up ruling grade, > using throttle and brake wisely to prevent rough train handling, > broken knuckles,> and pulled drawbars, applying sand as necessary to > prevent wheel slip, so that you both crest the hill together, > regardless of the trailing tonnage? > > If so, signify by sounding your whistle as prescribed by GCOR Rule > 5.8.2, example 4. > > And do you also promise not to cut away from your trailing unit, even > when her side sheets have rusted through, and her paint job has > faded? If so, signify by sounding your whistle as prescribed by GCOR > Rule 5.8.2, example 4. > > Now, (Bride's name), do you take this man to be your lead unit, tying > down your pin-lifter forever, and permanently removing yourself from > interchange service, even with newer series, high-adhesion, high- > horsepower units, remaining coupled despite flat wheels, sticking > brakes, even unto bad orders and major derailments, until you are > both rendered unto scrap? If so, signify by sounding your whistle as > prescribed by GCOR Rule 5.8.2, example 4. > > And do you promise to respond promptly to throttle and brake commands > from your lead unit, handling your share of the tonnage, and helping > your lead unit up ruling grade when necessary, being ever cautious to > avoid unnecessary drawbar buff? If so, signify by sounding your > whistle as prescribed by GCOR Rule 5.8.2, example 4. > > Do you also promise to remain coupled to your lead unit, even when he > has a couple of traction motors cut out, and can no longer develop > full horsepower? If so, signify by sounding your whistle as > prescribed by GCOR Rule 5.8.2, example 4. > > Now, (Bride and Groom), as a token of your intent to M.U., make the > joint and stretch the slack. > > By the power invested in me by the General Manager, Superintendent of > Operations, and the Road Foreman of Engines, I now pronounce you > permanently coupled. > > You may cut in the air. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26289	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Convention update

Hi All, Thanks to the tip from Ron Sebastian, I am now on my high speed connection. Here are a few photos so far. Here is Terry from Putt trains, a VERY large Ore boat, my wife Donna at my table, and the coolest dude in all of S Scale, Andy Malatte. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/convention1.jpg Here is the next debut, Des Plaines Hobbies composite gondola. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/DesPlaines_gondola.jpg Here is without a doubt the BEST AF conversion I have ever seen. It has done by a man who is but 14 years old! Give him some time. He will be a contender in the model contest room! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/AF_M1.jpg I might be able to get one more update in before we head back to NJ. Thanks Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26290	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 13, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26291	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Convention update

Hello Bill.....just want to say a big THANK YOU! for your time and effort in being the "official" reporter for the S trains group! I really appreciate your photos and latest news in S gauge from the convention. Al Kielek P.S will S helper be selling drive wheels(62"?) from their new steamer for the scratchbuilder ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...> To: "S Scale List" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Convention update > Hi All, > > Thanks to the tip from Ron Sebastian, I am now on my high speed connection. > Here are a few photos so far. Here is Terry from Putt trains, a VERY large > Ore boat, my wife Donna at my table, and the coolest dude in all of S Scale, > Andy Malatte. > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/convention1.jpg > > Here is the next debut, Des Plaines Hobbies composite gondola. > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/DesPlaines_gondola.jpg > > Here is without a doubt the BEST AF conversion I have ever seen. It has done > by a man who is but 14 years old! Give him some time. He will be a contender > in the model contest room! > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/AF_M1.jpg > > > I might be able to get one more update in before we head back to NJ. > > Thanks > Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26292	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: New Lionel Mikado

Hi, all: Permit me to update you all on the new Lionel AF U.S.R.A. Mikado. First off, be sure that this is a really serious effort. It is of all diecast construction with the ONLY pieces of plastic being the cab figures and the hand rail supports (necessary as insulators for TMCC). The castings all look great, including the pilot, and the casting for the chassis is truly impressive. There will be plenty of added on details -- even brake chains on the tender. The engine's key features include: 1. TMCC or conventional operation; 2. Railsounds with two chuffs/per rev and synchronized with puffing smoke; 3. All diecast construction; 4. Pittman motor with fly wheel; and 5. Roadname versions with prototypically correct detailing. The Mikado will be initially offered in two roadnames: B&O and NYC. Each will have its headlight correctly positioned. The B&O will be offered as part of a four car streamlined passenger set with an MSRP of $799.95. The NYC version will be offered separately with an MSRP of $599.95. This suggests a "street price" of ~$530 for the engine alone. I suspect some will wish that the B&O version will be offered separately, but the cars will be found to be very useful by anyone owning the B&O ALCo PA-PB-PA set from the early 1980s. The set consists of a combination, two coaches, and an observation. There will be a two car add on set consisting of a diner and a baggage car. Yes, Lionel is starting to make baggage cars. There will also be a new NYC baggage car for the recent ALCo set. Another side note: the Seaboard Baldwin is to be done in the scheme similar to that Gilbert did -- not the scheme advanced in the catalog. Greetings from the Dairy State, Bob Bubeck In a message dated 7/11/2003 2:39:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, jayhoo64@... writes: > Flyonel does have a lot to live down, but they certainly appear to be getting serious. They made a good choice of engine type (2-8-2).>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26293	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: MTH Coal loader

Hi Guys, Can anyone give me an Idea as to the selling price of a Brand new in the box MTH coal loader? I forgot what I paid for it & I want to list it on E-BAY. Anyone interested after I find the Price these are going for can contact me off list. I will not charge to ship to anyone on the list. Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26294	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Railroad Wedding - just for fun

Bob, Are you saying your original plans fell through and left you hanging in air?? I just couldn't resist!!!!--it was a free fall! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26295	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: MTH COAL LOADER BLATANT AD

Anyone That wants to buy an MTH Coal Loader for $125.00 shipping included contact me off list. I also have 3 MRC TECH II New Transformers, & I have a Larger MRC Transformer for sale also. I'd like to sell the Transformers to one person to combine shipping. These are new & one or two used. I will have some Org Gilbert AF items to sell later (With in two weeks) soon. Thank you, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26296	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/12/2003
Subject: Survey - 'Got Steam' in your future?

I just created a new poll over at http://S-Scale.org . It deals with the new 'S' steamers (Lionel and S-Helper) coming out, and I hope you will visit and cast your vote. You can also leave a comment. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26297	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/12/2003
Subject: Re: Railroad Wedding - just for fun

Yep and Nope....Yep we got married....15 years without 1 argument....very happy....Nope I was the only one with parachute experience , wife was willing...pastor wasn't...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Bradley" <belairchevy@...>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Railroad Wedding - just for fun > Bob, > Are you saying your original plans fell through and left you hanging in > air?? > I just couldn't resist!!!!--it was a free fall! > S' > David D. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26298	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/12/2003
Subject: In Need of Roadbed

Hello all, I am in need of 60 pieces of straight, wide tie, American Flyer roadbed to complete my layout. Roadbed color doesn't matter as I am painting all of the roadbed ballast gray with black ties. If you have any roadbed that you would consider selling, please contact me at bull_gator_1@.... Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26299	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/12/2003
Subject: 2003 Lionel Catalog 2 Price List

First listing by a dealer I have seen. Price for the NYC Mikado is $503.95 and B&O 2-8-2 passenger set is $671.95, with an add-on 2 car set for the B&O train priced at $91.95. http://www.train-station.com/cgi- local/ebshop.pl/page=Other_American_Flyer.html/SID=202949100 No catalog pics yet, but stay tuned. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26300	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/12/2003
Subject: MTH COAL LOADER FOR SALE

I have a MTH Coal Loader new in the box for $130.00 shipping included. Contact me off list if anyone wants it. Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26301	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Shell removal

I have a 307 engine. What is the proper way to remove the shell to for instance change the light bulb?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26302	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Re: Shell removal

Is this the one with a cast or molded on set of steps? If so, remove the bracket which screws under the front deck. You may also want to unscrew, and flip out of the way, the pilot truck bracket for better address. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein,Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gattis" <JHG2572@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 8:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Shell removal > I have a 307 engine. What is the proper way to remove the shell to for instance change the light bulb? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26303	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Re: 307 Shell Removal

To replace the bulb: 1. Turn the front truck assembly parallel to the steamchest. 2. Remove the screw holding the bulb assembly in place. 3. Remove the bulb assembly. To remove the shell: 1. Remove the screw between the locomotive and tender. 2. Remove the screws on each side and lift the connecting rods and spacers from the stud on the drive wheel. 3. Turn the engine upside down and remove the screws holding the guide and truck assembly. 4. Remove the guide and truck assembly. 5. Remove the shell screws. 6. Push the drive forward about 1/4 inch, lift the rear end of motor and lift out. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26304	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Re: Shell removal

307 has a plastic body, so the first thing to tell you is to be gentle with all the screws! The plastic is easy to crack. Light bulb change does not require removing the shell, nor does motor brush change--if you're careful! Light bulb, turn the front truck wheelset 90 degrees from normal, revealing the single screw holding the light bulb socket assembly in place. Remove screw and you can withdraw the light socket from the body, it will require a little maneuvering to clear. I try to avoid removing the pilot truck and crosshead assembly, as the screw holes are easily damaged, but it can be removed and replaced, if you need to. To remove the chassis from the body, turn the loco over (a padded cradle is useful here, can be made up of some lumber and old carpet, a "U" channel the cradles the locomotive upside down so it doesn't flop over on its side while you are working on it), remove the stepped screw holding the trailing truck/tender drawbar to the chassis. Now remove the two hex head screws holding the connecting rod to the rear drive wheels (one on each side). The connecting rods and crossheads can be removed by sliding them out of the crosshead guide. Don't forget the spacer washer underneath the connecting rod end, on each side. Just in front of the front drive wheels you will find a screw, probably with a star lockwasher under it, on one each side. (Easier seen with the pilot truck turned 90 degrees from normal). GENTLY remove these screws. Since the 307 has no smoke unit, you don't have to remember to remove the smokestack, but if you have a 302,303, you will have to remember that! Also with a smoke unit, you have to remove the headlamp holder too. You should now be able to slide the chassis forward in the body about 1/4 inch, which will clear the rear motor mounts. Lift the rear of the chassis up a little bit, and now slide it to the rear, and it should just lift out. Now thread the headlamp bracket back into the shell and under the pilot truck assembly so you can lift the entire chassis assembly clear of the shell. BTW, now you should see your loco's assembly date stamped in white ink on the inside of the boiler shell. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26305	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Shell removal

In a message dated 7/13/03 9:11:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cesmith@... writes: > Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines > "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and > remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein,Lincoln, etc.) > better add Chuck Smith to that list now Chuck! CB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26306	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Re: GOT STEAM IN YOUR FUTURE?

I just got back from our Wisconsin NASG convention. Lionel had their Mikado castings, S Helper had their Consolidation castings and K-Line had their Big Boy and wanted people to sign up for S gauge running gear. Over a hundred signed up at K-Line and Lionel. I drove home straight through from the banquet to Harleysville, PA in 16 hours. Took 1 1/2 hour nap in rest stop on the way. Glenn Ritter former NASG secretary S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 04:57:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: Paul Yorke <s_trains@...> > Subject: Survey - 'Got Steam' in your future? > > I just created a new poll over at http://S-Scale.org . > It deals with the new 'S' steamers (Lionel and > S-Helper) coming out, and I hope you will visit and > cast your vote. > You can also leave a comment. > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26307	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: A. C. Gilbert #D1782 1955 Catalog Now Online - Unusal!

The A. C. Gilbert #D1782 1955 Catalog is now online at http://www.myflyertrains.org This is not the usual 1955 catalog you see, but rather a rare dealer catalog. This catalog was actually physically sent to me by Tom Wiersma of South Africa, so that I could scan it and share it with the group. After having repeatedly lost out due to last second eBay snipes, I am very happy to finally get this catalog posted! Thanks Tom! -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26308	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/13/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 13, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26309	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine

Lionel now has the specs on their web site for their new die cast metal 2-8-2 steamer. www.lionel.com/Products/ProductNavigator/getproduct.cfm?ProductNumber=6-48036&CategoryLevel=1&CategoryRelated=382&CategoryID=382 If the above link does not work, it is also right on the front page of my website. (Links below) -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26310	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine

Hi all: Interesting, except that where it has Gauge, it says "O". Assume that is a typo. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Chuck Harrington wrote: >Lionel now has the specs on their web site for their new die cast metal >2-8-2 steamer. > >www.lionel.com/Products/ProductNavigator/getproduct.cfm?ProductNumber=6-48036&CategoryLevel=1&CategoryRelated=382&CategoryID=382 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26311	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine

I have already emailed Lionel about the "O" gauge thing. I am waiting for a response. I will let you know... Bente and Rance wrote: > Hi all: > Interesting, except that where it has Gauge, it says "O". Assume that > is a typo. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26312	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine

Just received this response from Lionel... "If the website says O gauge, it is a misprint. American Flyer is s gauge. Thank you " That was it. No other response... Bente and Rance wrote: > Hi all: > Interesting, except that where it has Gauge, it says "O". Assume that > is a typo. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > Chuck Harrington wrote: > >> Lionel now has the specs on their web site for their new die cast >> metal 2-8-2 steamer. >> >> www.lionel.com/Products/ProductNavigator/getproduct.cfm?ProductNumber=6-48036&CategoryLevel=1&CategoryRelated=382&CategoryID=382 >> >> > > > -- eBay Id: myflyertrains TCA# 99-50024 Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26313	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bente and Rance <velapoldi@n...> wrote: Hi all: Interesting, except that where it has Gauge, it says "O". Assume that is a typo. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Rance & Others: Re-read the Lionel page. The only time O gauge is used is when Lionel refers to the AF Mike being like its O gauge locomotives. It NEVER says the Mike is O gauge. Walt Danylak

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26314	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine

Actually it DOES say O gauge. Look at the "features" tab, all the way at the bottom... "*Gauge: *O *Minimum Radius: *S Gauge *RailLine:*New York Central *ShipYear:* 2003 " Walt Danylak wrote: >Re-read the Lionel page. The only time O gauge is used is when Lionel >refers to the AF Mike being like its O gauge locomotives. It NEVER >says the Mike is O gauge. > > > > -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26315	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: Actually it DOES say O gauge. Look at the "features" tab, all the way at the bottom... "*Gauge: *O *Minimum Radius: *S Gauge *RailLine:*New York Central *ShipYear:* 2003" Chuck, You're right. I never read the Features section. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26316	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine

I don't want to be pickey....but it sez the engine is 15 1/2" long approx......Duh....my hudson AF is 18"...for a 2 8 2 isn't it a little short....Maybe it is one designed for SHORT LINES.....Bob ( Man I'm getting as bad as David with PUNS )

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26317	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Membership renewals

Hi Folks To the folks who renew their memberships at the Conventions, Spree, Fest, etc. It would help if you could print out the membership form on the NASG website fill it out and make a check out before the convention and then drop it off. It is still better to mail it to Michael Paschall our hard working membership chairman. His address is on the form. Michael is working very hard to streamline the membership duties so please send your dues in when due ASAP. John John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26318	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Membership renewals

Hi Folks did forget something. It is just as good joining the NASG when order an NASG AF car with Doug Peck or items with the Freight Car Committee. John NASG Website www.nasg.org At 03:06 PM 7/14/2003 -0400, John A Foley wrote: >Hi Folks > > To the folks who renew their memberships at the Conventions, Spree, Fest, >etc. >It would help if you could print out the membership form on the NASG website >fill it out and make a check out before the convention and then drop it off. >It is still better to mail it to Michael Paschall our hard working membership >chairman. His address is on the form. Michael is working very hard to >streamline the membership duties so please send your dues in when due >ASAP. >John > >John > > > >To see or post Photos visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26319	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine

Not short at all. The PRR K4 Pacific and L1 Mikado shared the same boiler size. The Mikado was a freight engine with much smaller drivers and shorter driver wheelbase. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Mikado Steam Engine > I don't want to be pickey....but it sez the engine is 15 1/2" long > approx......Duh....my hudson AF is 18"...for a 2 8 2 isn't it a little > short....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26320	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Lionel Mikado Steam Engine

Correction: Should have stated "...shorter TOTAL wheelbase THAN A HUDSON". Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Mikado Steam Engine > Not short at all. The PRR K4 Pacific and L1 Mikado shared the same boiler > size. The Mikado was a freight engine with much smaller drivers and shorter > driver wheelbase. > Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines > "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and > remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Chuck Harrington" > <myflyertrains@...> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Mikado Steam Engine > > > > I don't want to be pickey....but it sez the engine is 15 1/2" long > > approx......Duh....my hudson AF is 18"...for a 2 8 2 isn't it a little > > short.... > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26321	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: New NASG VP

Hi Folks As you already know Dick Karnes is our new NASG Executive Vice President. Dick may be a new officer but when it comes to S model railroading he is one of the old timers. He has many ideas that sound great, his Russ Mobley Library is one such idea. So congregations to Dick and I know he will received the support that I enjoyed as VP. As for myself I will continue working on promotions both for NASG membership and S in general. It was fun. John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26322	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: 'S' Gauge Switches

You may have heard about ... Richard Reichard has created a detailed instruction manual that gives step by step instructions on "How to Fabricate 'S' Gauge Switches". If you want to hear more about it go to http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/switch_book/switch_book.html I just uploaded the page, so there is no link yet. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26323	From: carltonlowry	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: S Gaugian

I was looking at an old S Gaugian today and saw an ad for Eugene Russell Mobi-Models. Does anyone on this list know any information about this gentleman? The ad concerned specialty bridges he fabricated and I was wondering if any information, technical or otherwise is available. I would appreciate an answer to this off list if anyone can help. Thanks for your time, Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26324	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: new Lionel steam loco

Hi All, I lurk on this list, reading form the website about once a week. I sent this to the S Scale list earlier today. I think it somewhat applies here as well. There was not much of a reaction to it yet. Since I posted the news live from the convention, I was waiting to see what the reaction was going to be from here, the Scale list. As far as I am concerned, I was very surprised at a NEW loco, and pleasantly surprised at the detail. I guess who is going to yell the loudest...... The person who complains that nothing new ever comes out in S Scale. OR, the person who complains that the detail level is not acceptable. In short, is something new NOT better then NOTHING new? Think about it..... Who here has the Overland Brass version of this loco? That is why this should take care of 90% of those who don't. I have heard FOR YEARS from my Hi-rail friends that they are tired of buying the same rolling stock with new paint jobs. Here the first all NEW product being produced under the A F name in over 40 years. If this loco doesn't get support, you can forget about anything else new from them. I told Lionel I would be interested in a Scale DC version without any smoke electronics, etc. if it was about $300.00. The Lionel Rep. said that is probably possible. You thoughts and replies to this are always welcomed! Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26325	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Vintage Trucks

> some steam era trucks for use in steam era scenes. > > http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/whitetrks.htm > Careful, many pictures on some webpages >>>> long load times, especially on dial up. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26326	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Lionel Mikado Steam Engine

Did you notice that it looks like in 2004 there is a passenger set with this 2-8-2 coming out in a B&O scheme? Wonder what the cars will be like. A cast engine sound good to me - hope that means the tender as well. NYC helps me model Kalamazoo (local town) as well since that was the main East/West line. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26327	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars

Doug wrote:: ""((((As has been pointed out, you will undoubtedly notice that these cars are a bit larger than Gilbert boxcars and tank cars. Keep in mind that real boxcars came in many different sizes, as did tank cars, although Gilbert only modeled one specific size of each. Yes, they look "oversized" next to ACG cars, but ACG cars were among the smaller cars modeled.)))"""" I meant to comment sooner on this,..... To some of us,...well ok.., maybe JUST me,...that aren't familiar with prototype rolling stock dimensions, Doug's comments filled in some gaps for me and made sense of it all!! Rick "Not so confused anymore" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26328	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars

I agree with you, but keep in mind that the appropriateness of the bigger cars may depend on the time you are modeling. If you are modeling prototypes of today, then the larger cars will make sense, because they will look like the 50-foot (?) boxcars or tank cars that are used today. On the other hand, if you are modeling the 1950's (mixed steam and diesel era) then you may find the big cars look too big, especially when mixed with smaller cars. Anybody know when 50-foot boxcars came into widespread use? Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line cars > Doug wrote:: ""((((As has been pointed out, you will undoubtedly notice that these cars are a > bit larger than Gilbert boxcars and tank cars. > Keep in mind that real boxcars came in many different sizes, as did tank > cars, although Gilbert only modeled one specific size of each. > Yes, they look "oversized" next to ACG cars, but > ACG cars were among the smaller cars modeled.)))"""" > > I meant to comment sooner on this,..... > To some of us,...well ok.., maybe JUST me,...that aren't familiar with prototype rolling stock dimensions, Doug's comments filled in some gaps for me and made sense of it all!! > > Rick "Not so confused anymore" Evans. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26329	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: K-line cars - height

AF boxcars are short in height for the 1950's era too. Look at some old photos or video. Part of it is that Flyer trucks are too high, so less tall cars tend to look right. But taller-than AF boxcars are right for the '50's. I haven't seen the K-line cars "live" yet and can't say if they are too tall. Another aspect of boxcar height is that it varied considerably from car to car. I have added a lot of converted Lionel (sorry, Duck) 0-27 double door and 6464 series boxcars to get a variety of height, length, and doors in my boxcar fleet. Most of them are somewhat taller than the Gilbert boxcars , and they look great in Flyer freight consists. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26330	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: K-Line cars

Anybody have digital pics they can post of a K-Line boxcar coupled to an AF postwar? What about next to an AM or SHS boxcar? Thanks in advance. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26331	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: K-line cars - height

Also note that those O27 boxcars you mention are exactly S scale except for the length of the ladder rungs. I laid them over an S boxcar drawing years ago and found length, width and height right on for a 40' car. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] K-line cars - height > AF boxcars are short in height for the 1950's era too. Look at some old > photos or video. Part of it is that Flyer trucks are too high, so less > tall cars tend to look right. But taller-than AF boxcars are right for the > '50's. I haven't seen the K-line cars "live" yet and can't say if they are > too tall. > > Another aspect of boxcar height is that it varied considerably from car to > car. > > I have added a lot of converted Lionel (sorry, Duck) 0-27 double door and > 6464 series boxcars to get a variety of height, length, and doors in my > boxcar fleet. Most of them are somewhat taller than the Gilbert boxcars , > and they look great in Flyer freight consists. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26332	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line cars

***(((Anybody have digital pics they can post of a K-Line boxcar coupled to an AF postwar? What about next to an AM or SHS boxcar? Thanks in advance.)))**** I can email a photo of the new K-Line Hooker tank car, coupled with a AF #958 Mobil tanker. {{I'm sending you one Scott.}} Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26333	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: Re: K-line cars - height

Tom J, et al; Egads, what is the world coming too?? The open use of the L word on this list!!! AAAUGH!!! ;-) <VBG> I have often wondered if Big L would ever wake up and notice that their double-door boxcar is actually S in size and stick some AF trucks under it with some snazzy paint schemes. It would fit right in with "Classic AF" although no way would it be up to SHS & AM etc. standards. The Marx plastic cattle car is also an easy convert, just redrill the truck mounting holes to AF size, file an eigth of an inch off the bottom ends to clear the AF coupler, and "Zing!" a new S cattle car! I actually wrote an article on how to do this, sold it to Classic (L) Trains, although AFAIK, they never published it--but their check didn't bounce! ;-) Hmm, maybe there is a new marketing ploy, "Classic Flyer" and "Modern Flyer" Hmmm. . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26334	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/14/2003
Subject: New Lionel Mike

Hi Bill....just my comments for what it's worth. I am really excited about the new offering. For me I am divided in opinion, I don't think I'll get one because of the price($699.99 according to their site). If K-line brings out the BIG BOY in S (AF version)and it's close to the price of their O gauge version, I'm going to hold out for that first. Now, if Lionel bring out a scale version,(2-8-2) I would be interested, but not at $699.99. I'm still an AC Gilbert type guy(I wish Lionel would bring out a re-issue of the 4-8-4 and the 952 heavyweights!). I am also going to be dabbling in S scale as well and this Lionel offering would be most welcome in the scale realm, as we know the USRA models are easily modified and can be"kitbashed" to almost any railroad that had 2-8-2's and 4-6-2's. For me, I would like Lionel to re-issue the AF 4-8-4, 0-8-0 and possibly the 0-6-0(21004) and I can't understand why they have not re-issued these items, they are in high demand($$$$) and Lionel has all the tooling and can do an incredible job on the finished product with today's technologies. Just blowing off steam! ;>) Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26335	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Lionel Disney cars

Dear Ron Leventon and List: At the NASG convention last week, Lionel had two Disney AF box cars in drawing form. One featured Goofy and the other had Donald Duck. List price was posted as $49.95. Have you heard anything definite about these? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26336	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: K-Line Big Boy: News and Comment

Good morning: After talking to Mike at the NASG convention last I have some news. (All of this was told to me by Mike so I am just retelling what he told me.) 1. If he does the Big Boy in S, he will do 500. 2. The cost of regauging the Big Boy is $50,000. 3. Spread this cost over the 500 units and the cost will be $100.00 over the price of the O Gauge version: whatever that is. ------------------------- Commentary: I saw the locomotive at the convention and it is a very nice, impressive engine. It looks ridiculous with the O-Gauge mechanism and will look great in S Gauge. But I will not purchase one. I have been agonizing over this since the convention and this morning I made up my mind. My railroad is dated 2003 and keeps up with the calendar. A large number of the 4000 class locomotives (Big Boys) have been preserved. However as the 4000 class are huge FREIGHT locomotives, none will ever be rebuilt for operation. (Why do you think 3985 was rebuilt: she is dual-service with 80 inch drivers.) If Mike were to bring out a 3900 series I will quickly be in line for a copy of 3985. 3985 is a Challenger (4-6+6-4) and is alive today. She will look magnificent pulling my 10 car UP passenger train of AM streamliners. I will get into line even faster if he does a cab forward. I missed out on Jetty's (SouthWind Models) AC-12 4294. (Plus it has scale flanges and a minimum (happy) radius of 42 inches which would cause conflicts on my AF track layout.) If Mike does one it will not have problems with my track. I have a B&W photo of 4294 pulling The City of Los Angles which was solid UP streamliners (like the AM smooth sides). She will look even better with my UP streamliners. (And if 4294 is liberated from the California Railway Museum and rebuilt she WILL pull the UP excursion train.) Mike? May I have SP 4294 in S gauge with a silver face, DCC, and a pile of bells, whistles, lights, etc? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26337	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: New Lionel Mike

In a message dated 7/15/2003 2:28:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mkielek@... writes: > Hi Bill....just my comments for what it's worth. I am really excited about > the new offering. For me I am divided in opinion, I don't think I'll get one > because of the price($699.99 according to their site). Permit me to clear up a few things. The separately available NYC version of the new Lionel Mikado is already being offered by several dealers in the $510 - 530 range. This is a fair price, given the all-metal construction, details and features. The more expensive B&O offering you are looking at is a set that includes 4 streamline passenger cars. If K-line brings out the BIG BOY in S (AF version)and it's close to the price of their > O gauge version, I'm going to hold out for that first. Now, if Lionel bring > out a scale version,(2-8-2) I would be interested, but not at $699.99. I'm > still an AC Gilbert type guy(I wish Lionel would bring out a re-issue of the > 4-8-4 and the 952 heavyweights!). If K-Line brings out the "Little Boy" it will list for about $100 more than the 0 gauge version which is still a good deal, but this effectively places this engine in the mid-500s as a "street price". As time goes on and as the existance and condition of original tooling permits, I believe that you will find Lionel reissuing some more traditional pieces along side new stuff. This is what Lionel is doing in 0 gauge. If any of you wish to own and operate traditional vintage Gilbert, however, it is availalble at trains shows, York, eBay, and other venues. Reissues of Northerns, if made in a way that accurately reflects the originals, will not cost wildly less than the vintage trains. In which case, you might as well own genuine New Haven Flyer rather than Chinese Flyer and skip the ersatz. I also believe that many who operate trains are going to find that all new designs with accurate detailing and advanced features such as TMCC and Railsounds are, in some ways, more rewarding to play with than the old. The new O gauge trains bring an awful lot to the party that, when translated to S, many of you are going to fall for. I love my vintage Gilbert, but quite frankly, it's time to move on. Lionel's new Mike and SHS's Consolidation are good steps in the right direction. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26338	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Process of re-chroming plastic

Is it possible? How do they get the chromium to adhear to the plastic diesel shell to begin with? I have a black 364 and a white 360 plastic bodies that are stripped , and 400 grit smooth sanded that would be wonderful to rechrome. I have been looking at 'Lindsay' books on old time methods of chroming, but some of the process is still unclear. And some of the old chemical names do not seem readily available in this 'politically correct' society that we live in today. Gosh, I miss the good ole' days when we took responsibility for our actions into our own hands!!!!! Can it be done in a home shop on plastics at a reasonable cost? Thanks, Mikey.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26339	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Disney cars

In a message dated 7/15/2003 9:18:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thorin.marty@... writes: > At the NASG convention last week, Lionel had two Disney AF box cars > in drawing form. One featured Goofy and the other had Donald Duck. List > price was posted as $49.95. Have you heard anything definite about these? > > Thorin > They are cataloged items to be made and delivered later in the next half year. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26340	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Disney cars

Dear RB: Thanks for the info. As is obvious, I plan to get mine from Ron. I have gotten all of my Flyonel from Ron since about 1990. I am a creature of habit. If I find something that work and works well, I repeat it. I am sure the other Lionel / American Flyer dealers are good too. I await my notice from Ron to purchase my new Disney cars. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: RBubeck327@... [mailto:RBubeck327@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:58 AM To: thorin.marty@...; leventon@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Disney cars In a message dated 7/15/2003 9:18:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thorin.marty@... writes: At the NASG convention last week, Lionel had two Disney AF box cars in drawing form. One featured Goofy and the other had Donald Duck. List price was posted as $49.95. Have you heard anything definite about these? Thorin They are cataloged items to be made and delivered later in the next half year. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26341	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy: News and Comment

Dear List: UP's web site states 69" drivers. I sit corrected. Thank you Larry. As Larry indicate, Big Boys were used on occasion for passenger service: they had steam train lines. However, this was not their normal assignment. (During WWII UP would use anything that rolled.) Pulling passenger trains was a normal assignment for the Challengers before, during, and after the war. I may have to reconsider my purchase plans... Thorin -----Original Message----- From: ljack70117@... [mailto:ljack70117@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:13 AM To: Marty.Thorin Cc: S-Trains (E-mail) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy: News and Comment I must "challenger" you on the statment the Challengers had 80 inch drivers. They did not. They had 69" drivers and the big Boys had 68" drivers and were used in passenger service at times. Thank you Larry Jackman On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Marty.Thorin wrote: > Commentary: > I saw the locomotive at the convention and it is a very nice, > impressive engine. It looks ridiculous with the O-Gauge mechanism and > will > look great in S Gauge. But I will not purchase one. I have been > agonizing > over this since the convention and this morning I made up my mind. My > railroad is dated 2003 and keeps up with the calendar. A large number > of > the 4000 class locomotives (Big Boys) have been preserved. However as > the > 4000 class are huge FREIGHT locomotives, none will ever be rebuilt for > operation. (Why do you think 3985 was rebuilt: she is dual-service > with 80 > inch drivers.) If Mike were to bring out a 3900 series I will quickly > be in > line for a copy of 3985. 3985 is a Challenger (4-6+6-4) and is alive > today. > She will look magnificent pulling my 10 car UP passenger train of AM > streamliners. > > I will get into line even faster if he does a cab forward. I missed > out on > Jetty's (SouthWind Models) AC-12 4294. (Plus it has scale flanges and > a > minimum (happy) radius of 42 inches which would cause conflicts on my > AF > track layout.) If Mike does one it will not have problems with my > track. > I have a B&W photo of 4294 pulling The City of Los Angles which was > solid UP streamliners (like the AM smooth sides). She will look even > better > with my UP streamliners. (And if 4294 is liberated from the California > Railway Museum and rebuilt she WILL pull the UP excursion train.) > Mike? May I have SP 4294 in S gauge with a silver face, DCC, and a > pile of bells, whistles, lights, etc? > > Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26342	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Can motors for Gilbert ALCO's and GEEPS

The last needed parts for the second generation can motor replacement in Diesels finally arrived from the machine shop. We are having a 30 day introductory special. It will end August 15th. The regular price of $99.95 Plus shipping for single motor units will be $89 plus $6 shipping. Dual motor units will be $129 plus $6 shipping. The prices will revert to $99.95 and $139.95 respectively on August 15. Prices include installation of a Dallee #400 electronic reverse unit. We will honor all orders postmarked by August 15. The prices do not include bushing of the trucks. We will bush the trucks as needed for $19.95 each. We still offer a trade in credit for motor/reverse unit components that can be refurbished and that you do not need/want back. This is not a "kit" project. You need to send your chassis/trucks to us and we do the installation (included in price). This is a very nice installation. Try it, You'll like it. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26343	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Process of re-chroming plastic

Mikey, Sorry to tell you, but 400 grit sand scratches will show when chromed! The plastic must be SMOOOOTH, at least to 2000 grit or better. The process is not the same as metal chroming, but I have forgotten the explanation I was once given! S' David D. PS later production ACG alco shells weren't smooth enough for chroming just because of mold wear!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26344	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy: News and Comment

Major reason a Big Boy won't be restored is similar to our problems with ACG track radius and long engines/cars. The Big Boy requires WIDE radius, in real life. Clearances on the RR aren't sufficient for it. Even 3985 sideswiped some cars on a curve in recent years! OOOPS! S David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26345	From: Neil Becker	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Membership renewals

Gee, does that mean we all get a NASG car regardless how we renew? ;-) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:55:11 -0400 From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Membership renewals Hi Folks did forget something. It is just as good joining the NASG when order an NASG AF car with Doug Peck or items with the Freight Car Committee. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26346	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Process of re-chroming plastic

The process of chroming plastic is not really chrome plating like done with car bumpers, etc. What it is actually called is vacuum metalizing and is done with aluminum. You can apply real chrome (and other metal) plating to plastic and other non-metallic items by first coating the object with a metallic base substance, usually microscopic silver in a lacquer base. Then the object can be easily plated. I have done this many times. Problem is the loss of very fine details. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO -------Original Message------- From: traindoctor2003 <traindoctor2003@...> Sent: 07/15/03 07:56 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Process of re-chroming plastic > > Is it possible? How do they get the chromium to adhear to the plastic diesel shell to begin with? I have a black 364 and a white 360 plastic bodies that are stripped , and 400 grit smooth sanded that would be wonderful to rechrome. I have been looking at 'Lindsay' books on old time methods of chroming, but some of the process is still unclear. And some of the old chemical names do not seem readily available in this 'politically correct' society that we live in today. Gosh, I miss the good ole' days when we took responsibility for our actions into our own hands!!!!! Can it be done in a home shop on plastics at a reasonable cost? Thanks, Mikey. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26347	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] New NASG VP

Hi Chuck I was happy to be of service to all the members of the NASG and S model Railroading. Dick I know will do a fine job as VP. Thanks John At 08:34 PM 7/14/2003 -0500, C&P Porter wrote: >Thankyou John & welcome, Dick. It was great to see both of you at the >convention. Chuck >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John A Foley" <john.foley16@...> >To: <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:36 PM >Subject: [S-Scale] New NASG VP > > > > Hi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26348	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

This is in direct response to Bill and others. I am tickled to death that Lionel (by any name) is bringing a new locomotive to market. I just hope that they price it where we CAN buy it. I think that is the big issue with how well it is accepted and bought. But I doubt if at $699 it will sell very well. Get it down in the $250 to 300 range and it will sell like hotcakes. For the past few years that I have been on this list, SHS and AM have been the ONLY serious suppliers to popularly priced motive power and rolling stock. (Yes, there has been brass out there for the few that can afford it.) Now, all of a sudden, we have K-line with a good low ball price. What is Lionel's plan? The detail quality will never be up to SHS and AM. But their catalog prices have always been about 25 to 35% higher. In this case almost doubled. I bet K-line does double the business with the Big Boy. For one, I am NOT going to bellyache about what they bring to market. I will look at the quality and compare it to the price. It will be Economics 101 at work. The fact that they are entering the market with some new stuff shows that something good is happening in S-Gauge. And that it is truly happening (and not just jaw jacking or speculation), then the new players will also help the old. It is the principle of a rising tide. It raises all boats. Then maybe SHS or AM will look into a C-Liner or Sharp Nose, to Texan. Maybe someone will make a Cow and Calf together. Maybe it will encourage another player from HO to get into our market. Hey, I am rooting for Chionel on this one. I just wish I could afford it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26349	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line Big Boy: News and Comment

Hi Marty...That's good news, I hope they go ahead with the Big Boy I will be ordering one right away from my local shop here in Calgary. Just a small note, I believe the 3985 has 69" drivers(Big Boy 68") but for 80" drivers that's the 844. There was a "rumor" about some mult-millionare in Texas who was going to restore a 4000, but I'm not sure which one. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] K-Line Big Boy: News and Comment > Good morning: > After talking to Mike at the NASG convention last I have some news. > (All of this was told to me by Mike so I am just retelling what he told me.) > > 1. If he does the Big Boy in S, he will do 500. > 2. The cost of regauging the Big Boy is $50,000. > 3. Spread this cost over the 500 units and the cost will be $100.00 over > the price of the O Gauge version: whatever that is. > > ------------------------- > > Commentary: > I saw the locomotive at the convention and it is a very nice, > impressive engine. It looks ridiculous with the O-Gauge mechanism and will > look great in S Gauge. But I will not purchase one. I have been agonizing > over this since the convention and this morning I made up my mind. My > railroad is dated 2003 and keeps up with the calendar. A large number of > the 4000 class locomotives (Big Boys) have been preserved. However as the > 4000 class are huge FREIGHT locomotives, none will ever be rebuilt for > operation. (Why do you think 3985 was rebuilt: she is dual-service with 80 > inch drivers.) If Mike were to bring out a 3900 series I will quickly be in > line for a copy of 3985. 3985 is a Challenger (4-6+6-4) and is alive today. > She will look magnificent pulling my 10 car UP passenger train of AM > streamliners. > > I will get into line even faster if he does a cab forward. I missed out on > Jetty's (SouthWind Models) AC-12 4294. (Plus it has scale flanges and a > minimum (happy) radius of 42 inches which would cause conflicts on my AF > track layout.) If Mike does one it will not have problems with my track. > I have a B&W photo of 4294 pulling The City of Los Angles which was > solid UP streamliners (like the AM smooth sides). She will look even better > with my UP streamliners. (And if 4294 is liberated from the California > Railway Museum and rebuilt she WILL pull the UP excursion train.) > Mike? May I have SP 4294 in S gauge with a silver face, DCC, and a > pile of bells, whistles, lights, etc? > > Thorin > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26350	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: New Lionel Mike

Hi Bob.....right you are, I'm still torn between making that BIG step into the new century! However, I think my opinion is probably not one that is held in the majority now a days and that is GOOD! ;^). I'm just hoping that this offering from Lionel WILL be supported by those whom Lionel has surveyed in the market place, I would hate to see them be discouraged and not bother with anymore NEW offerings for us ... Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: rbubeck327@... To: mkielek@... ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Lionel Mike In a message dated 7/15/2003 2:28:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mkielek@... writes: Hi Bill....just my comments for what it's worth. I am really excited about the new offering. For me I am divided in opinion, I don't think I'll get one because of the price($699.99 according to their site). Permit me to clear up a few things. The separately available NYC version of the new Lionel Mikado is already being offered by several dealers in the $510 - 530 range. This is a fair price, given the all-metal construction, details and features. The more expensive B&O offering you are looking at is a set that includes 4 streamline passenger cars. If K-line brings out the BIG BOY in S (AF version)and it's close to the price of their O gauge version, I'm going to hold out for that first. Now, if Lionel bring out a scale version,(2-8-2) I would be interested, but not at $699.99. I'm still an AC Gilbert type guy(I wish Lionel would bring out a re-issue of the 4-8-4 and the 952 heavyweights!). If K-Line brings out the "Little Boy" it will list for about $100 more than the 0 gauge version which is still a good deal, but this effectively places this engine in the mid-500s as a "street price". As time goes on and as the existance and condition of original tooling permits, I believe that you will find Lionel reissuing some more traditional pieces along side new stuff. This is what Lionel is doing in 0 gauge. If any of you wish to own and operate traditional vintage Gilbert, however, it is availalble at trains shows, York, eBay, and other venues. Reissues of Northerns, if made in a way that accurately reflects the originals, will not cost wildly less than the vintage trains. In which case, you might as well own genuine New Haven Flyer rather than Chinese Flyer and skip the ersatz. I also believe that many who operate trains are going to find that all new designs with accurate detailing and advanced features such as TMCC and Railsounds are, in some ways, more rewarding to play with than the old. The new O gauge trains bring an awful lot to the party that, when translated to S, many of you are going to fall for. I love my vintage Gilbert, but quite frankly, it's time to move on. Lionel's new Mike and SHS's Consolidation are good steps in the right direction. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26351	From: David	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Removing Dry Transfers

Has anyone successfully removed dry transfers. I've looked for years for a nice original bay window caboose body. I found a super clean 935 shell but someone put a PRR dry transfer on each side. I love the PRR.... But.... How can I remove those transfers without damaging the tuscan paint and surrounding lettering?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26352	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

With all due respect, A manufacturer cannot produce anything (paper clips, automobiles, shirts, toy trains) on the basis of what people can afford. He or she can only produce anything based on how much it costs to make, then mark it up to make a profit. If no one buys at the selling price, then the manufacturer has to take a hard look at whether to produce the item at all. Like the Sunset Models Pioneer Zephyr that was canned a while back because of not enough orders. Makes no difference if the Mike would "sell like hot cakes" if Lionel lost money on each mixer of batter, so to speak :) The business then becomes a hobby and isn't around very long. And don't necessarily count Lionel out when it comes to detail. They have done it in spades with their O scale stuff. Price is really a matter of perception anyway, and a matter of choices. If I pay $400 for a steamer from AM, then maybe I can buy 10 freight cars later. If I pay $530 (street price) for a Lionel Mike, then maybe I can buy only 3 or four freight cars. Remember this time last year when citizens of Chicago were ranting about the jump in the price of gasoline-it went to $1.50 per gallon in a matter of days, as I recall. It is over $1.50 now, and narry a word. The perception of the Chicago gasoline users changed during the course of the year, when the price was very gradually increased. I doubt that their incomes increased that much more to the point where it does not feel like a gouge. I paid $1500 for my first new car in 1966, a Ford Mustang. Now, the ford Mustang is around $20,000 or so. But in 1966 I did not have all the safety features, electronic ignition, A/C, stereo, etc. Likewise, the new Lionel Mike will have TMCC Railsounds, and will sport solid state electronic components, stuff that wasn't even available even a few years ago. So, moral of the story is: today's ceiling is tomorrow's floor, and perception is reality. And, if you're gonna play, you gotta pay :)> Respectfully submitted, Roy Inman > From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:04:40 -0500 > To: S-List <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever > > This is in direct response to Bill and others. I am tickled to death that > Lionel (by any name) is bringing a new locomotive to market. I just hope that > they price it where we CAN buy it. I think that is the big issue with how well > it is accepted and bought. But I doubt if at $699 it will sell very well. Get > it down in the $250 to 300 range and it will sell like hotcakes. > > For the past few years that I have been on this list, SHS and AM have been the > ONLY serious suppliers to popularly priced motive power and rolling stock. > (Yes, there has been brass out there for the few that can afford it.) > > Now, all of a sudden, we have K-line with a good low ball price. What is > Lionel's plan? The detail quality will never be up to SHS and AM. But their > catalog prices have always been about 25 to 35% higher. In this case almost > doubled. I bet K-line does double the business with the Big Boy. > > For one, I am NOT going to bellyache about what they bring to market. I will > look at the quality and compare it to the price. It will be Economics 101 at > work. > > The fact that they are entering the market with some new stuff shows that > something good is happening in S-Gauge. And that it is truly happening (and > not just jaw jacking or speculation), then the new players will also help the > old. It is the principle of a rising tide. It raises all boats. Then maybe SHS > or AM will look into a C-Liner or Sharp Nose, to Texan. Maybe someone will > make a Cow and Calf together. Maybe it will encourage another player from HO > to get into our market. > > Hey, I am rooting for Chionel on this one. I just wish I could afford it. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26353	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: sound board 4 talking station

-----ORIGINAL MESSAGE------ We used to market this solid-state unit, but lost access to the appropriate chips for use in it. Recently got a line on a potential smaller replacement. IF it works, we'll be able to market them again, and they MAY be less expensive this time ! If it happens, you'll see it announced, and on our website right away! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. <<<<<I thought I had seen an electronic sound board replacement for the talking station at one time, but I can't locate it on any of the obvious parts / electronics dealers. Does anyone have info on this board or was I dreaming? Gregg Mummert>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26354	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Couplers

I have a couple of cars that have a solid knuckle coupler on them. Can anyone tell me about those?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26355	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers

I recall they came on some of the low end 800 series cars. Don't know what years. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gattis" <JHG2572@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Couplers > I have a couple of cars that have a solid knuckle coupler on them. Can anyone tell me about those? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26356	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers

John, Used for a few years on low price introduction sets, mostly cars numbered 8XX, but a few five digit cars too. Interestingly, a few of these are now more scarce than their operating KC cousins! The 8XX series was to be very low-cost production, no painted bodies, just the plastic color, and these fixed couplers. Didn't always work out that way, some are painted! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26357	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers???

Could these be Pikemaster? What are the car #'s Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26358	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Gattis" <JHG2572@d...> wrote: I have a couple of cars that have a solid knuckle coupler on them. Can anyone tell me about those? John, I don't recall ever seeing a 800 series car with the solid knuckle coupler. As far as I know, all 800 series cars had operating knuckle couplers. The only cars I've seen with the solid knuckle coupler was in the 24XXX series. Most of the cars with solid knuckle coupler had a different number, usually one number higher or lower then the same car with an operating knuckle coupler. Some that come to mind are the Gulf tank car, 24309 w/KC and 24310 w/SC; PRR gondola, 24109 w/KC and 24110 w/SC; Deep Rock tank car, 24321 w/KC and 24320 w/SC and AFL caboose, 24609 w/KC and 24310 w/SC. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26359	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

You are absolutely correct in that there must be something, called profit. in it for the manufacturer. But we ALL make price/quality decisions. I believe I pointed to this. If the Lionel engine was less "pricey", Lionel would sell more of them. This is nothing more that the price/demand economics curve at work. What scares me is that Lionel will jump in with their $699.95 unit. The market may not bear that price. And they will forever point to it as the reason they won't produce any more new motive power, or reintroduce some of the older steamers. And over time as the rolling stock sells off, they will abandon that market as well. $699.95 plus sales tax is more than a week's take home pay for many Americans. Understand this. I truly hope that they are successful. If they are then we can expect other good things. BIGFOOT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever > With all due respect, > A manufacturer cannot produce anything (paper clips, automobiles, shirts, > toy trains) on the basis of what people can afford. > He or she can only produce anything based on how much it costs to make, then > mark it up to make a profit. If no one buys at the selling price, then the > manufacturer has to take a hard look at whether to produce the item at all. > Like the Sunset Models Pioneer Zephyr that was canned a while back because > of not enough orders. > Makes no difference if the Mike would "sell like hot cakes" if Lionel lost > money on each mixer of batter, so to speak :) The business then becomes a > hobby and isn't around very long. > And don't necessarily count Lionel out when it comes to detail. They have > done it in spades with their O scale stuff. > Price is really a matter of perception anyway, and a matter of choices. > If I pay $400 for a steamer from AM, then maybe I can buy 10 freight cars > later. > If I pay $530 (street price) for a Lionel Mike, then maybe I can buy only 3 > or four freight cars. > Remember this time last year when citizens of Chicago were ranting about the > jump in the price of gasoline-it went to $1.50 per gallon in a matter of > days, as I recall. > It is over $1.50 now, and narry a word. The perception of the Chicago > gasoline users changed during the course of the year, when the price was > very gradually increased. I doubt that their incomes increased that much > more to the point where it does not feel like a gouge. > I paid $1500 for my first new car in 1966, a Ford Mustang. Now, the ford > Mustang is around $20,000 or so. But in 1966 I did not have all the safety > features, electronic ignition, A/C, stereo, etc. > Likewise, the new Lionel Mike will have TMCC Railsounds, and will sport > solid state electronic components, stuff that wasn't even available even a > few years ago. > > So, moral of the story is: today's ceiling is tomorrow's floor, and > perception is reality. > And, if you're gonna play, you gotta pay :)> > Respectfully submitted, > Roy Inman > > > From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> > > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:04:40 -0500 > > To: S-List <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever > > > > This is in direct response to Bill and others. I am tickled to death that > > Lionel (by any name) is bringing a new locomotive to market. I just hope that > > they price it where we CAN buy it. I think that is the big issue with how well > > it is accepted and bought. But I doubt if at $699 it will sell very well. Get > > it down in the $250 to 300 range and it will sell like hotcakes. > > > > For the past few years that I have been on this list, SHS and AM have been the > > ONLY serious suppliers to popularly priced motive power and rolling stock. > > (Yes, there has been brass out there for the few that can afford it.) > > > > Now, all of a sudden, we have K-line with a good low ball price. What is > > Lionel's plan? The detail quality will never be up to SHS and AM. But their > > catalog prices have always been about 25 to 35% higher. In this case almost > > doubled. I bet K-line does double the business with the Big Boy. > > > > For one, I am NOT going to bellyache about what they bring to market. I will > > look at the quality and compare it to the price. It will be Economics 101 at > > work. > > > > The fact that they are entering the market with some new stuff shows that > > something good is happening in S-Gauge. And that it is truly happening (and > > not just jaw jacking or speculation), then the new players will also help the > > old. It is the principle of a rising tide. It raises all boats. Then maybe SHS > > or AM will look into a C-Liner or Sharp Nose, to Texan. Maybe someone will > > make a Cow and Calf together. Maybe it will encourage another player from HO > > to get into our market. > > > > Hey, I am rooting for Chionel on this one. I just wish I could afford it. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26360	From: TCS	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: New group on yahoo - MoPac Modeling.

I would like to invite everyone to join this new group on Yahoo. I'm the owner of the group and all posts will be moderated. the group is called MoPac Modeling. Subscribe: MoPac_Modeling-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Tom Stolte

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26361	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

I think we are all on the same page in hoping for lots of sales for Lionel's Mike. But if they have it priced so high that they have "priced themselves out of the market," then that is where we are in S today. Apparently, Big L has concluded that 699.95 is what the company needs to make a reasonable profit and keep the quality at what they consider an acceptable level. And being in the photo business, I have heard the phrase "But if you charged less, you would sell more", on more than one occasion. Only problem with that approach is that, for a highly specialized product, it is not a good business decision, generally speaking As one produces more of anything, there are more raw materials needed, more labor required to produce the product, and more shipping and handling materials and labor to get the thing out the door. So, what you have in this scenario, is working harder and longer for maybe the same amount of profit if fewer things were sold for a higher price. "Make it up in volume" only works if one produces extremely low cost, high demand products that do well with the saturation marketing approach. There is a point of diminishing return on volume marketing. Distribution in itself can eat you alive. But my point about perception of price is this: Flyer guys are accustomed to paying low dollar for darn near everything, WHEN COMPARED TO O GAUGE, and especially O scale stuff. Paul Stevens, former NASG president described it as "looking for value" in purchases. A worthwhile pursuit, certainly, but when purchasing a low-volume, specialized piece of equipment such as an S gauge steam loco, not really applicable. Are the O guys more affluent? I really thing there are not many nickels worth of difference between the net worth and incomes across the board of O gaugers and S gaugers. Yet the O gauge people routinely spend $1,000 or more on a loco. Now the $699.95 AF steamer sounds reasonable, no? I am not defending Lionel's pricing. But in the S gauge world, no one else, so far, has produced a unit with all the features this one is purported to have. I will not be among the purchasers, unless Dave Stewart of Publishers Clearing House comes calling, but I am anxious to see the Mike up close and personal, and to compare it to SHS's Consolidation. Cheers, Roy Inman ---------- > From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:45:22 -0500 > To: S-List <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever > > You are absolutely correct in that there must be something, called profit. > in it for the manufacturer. > > But we ALL make price/quality decisions. I believe I pointed to this. If the > Lionel engine was less "pricey", Lionel would sell more of them. This is > nothing more that the price/demand economics curve at work. What scares me > is that Lionel will jump in with their $699.95 unit. The market may not bear > that price. And they will forever point to it as the reason they won't > produce any more new motive power, or reintroduce some of the older > steamers. And over time as the rolling stock sells off, they will abandon > that market as well. $699.95 plus sales tax is more than a week's take home > pay for many Americans. > > Understand this. I truly hope that they are successful. If they are then we > can expect other good things. > > BIGFOOT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26362	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Re: Removing Dry Transfers

Hi David...you can try using a Q-tip dipped in isopropyl alchol and rub gently and see how effective it is, I know some other guys that have done this with HO stuff successfully. Make sure you do not have it "soaked" where the alchol leaks all over the body, the secret here is to have the tip damp and then rubbing it on as accurately as you can on just the transfer......Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <Dave0616@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Removing Dry Transfers > Has anyone successfully removed dry transfers. I've looked for years > for a nice original bay window caboose body. I found a super clean > 935 shell but someone put a PRR dry transfer on each side. I love the > PRR.... But.... How can I remove those transfers without damaging the > tuscan paint and surrounding lettering? > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26363	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2003
Subject: Fwd: FW: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

In a message dated 7/16/03 1:02:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rinphoto@... writes: > And being in the photo business, I have heard the phrase "But if you > charged > less, you would sell more", on more than one occasion. > Only problem with that approach is that, for a highly specialized product, > it is not a good business decision, generally speaking > As one produces more of anything, there are more raw materials needed, more > labor required to produce the product, and more shipping and handling > materials and labor to get the thing out the door. > If it is better to sell fewer at higher retail than to sell more for less retail, why did Ford create an assembly line for the automobile, instead of continuing to build them one at a time by hand? Not trying to be a smart butt hear, just trying to understand this whole pricing concept. Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG TCA www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26364	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

Ok, hasn't anyone gone to the web site? Lionel Mikado sells for $599 at full retail. It is already apparently being discounted to close to $500, and some will probably be sold for less than that. Where is all this $699 stuff coming from? "6-48036 American Flyer USRA Light Mikado Steam Locomotive Price: $ 599.99" A direct quote from Lionel's web site... I for one was afraid the price would be higher. This isn't 1950 anymore. This thing is apparently mostly die cast metal and has a couple hundred dollars worth of electronics in it. I doubt I would want what they could build and sell for $300 retail. Bill said there may be a DC version later with out all the electronic toys, that would sell for less. But I have seen the fancy O gauge engines running at York, and wished that only one of them were made in S, now it is! If they were making the 343 or 336 again, and had to start with fresh dyes and so forth, how much do you think they would cost? Most Flyer engines are a bargain. Even when we pay a premium for an execellent original Gilbert piece, we are buying something that could not be made even in China and be sold at the current going rate today... Lionel, big L, has finally given us what we have wanted for so long, I think they have offered it for a fair price. Lets see, if the dealers are discounting as low as $500, then what did they pay for it? What did it cost Lionel to do the tooling for it, and get it made in per unit price? If they were to sell thousands of them, the price could probably come down, but it would be interesting to hear how many these people think Lionel will produce and sell... A thousand maybe, 500? How many active S Gaugers are there? I remain excited about this new offering, and will make what ever adjustments in my collection are necessary to get it on my tracks. That is just me... I saw Bill's pictures from the NASG convention, and I see the quality. The Mikado has always been my favorite engine. I want it... But this is just my opinion... =========== Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26365	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

Hi all: This has been corrected before, but $699.99 continues to be quoted as the price for the new "L" 2-8-2 Mikado. This, I believe, is the price for the coming B&O 2-8-2 plus 4 passenger cars. (I assume it is the same price for the NYC set that will be produced.) Other people have noted that the price on the website for the 2-8-2 alone is $599.99 and the "street price" would probably be around $519 (?). Although this does seem a little high, it is in approximately the same category as the SHS 2-8-0 that is being produced considering the SHS price of $539.95 listed in the order formI received in one of the s-gague magazines (Dispatch or S-Gaugian). I understand that other suppliers are giving different discounts than SHS if you order early, but I haven't quoted these in the above numbers. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Norway) A.E. Johnson wrote: >You are absolutely correct in that there must be something, called profit. >in it for the manufacturer. > >But we ALL make price/quality decisions. I believe I pointed to this. If the >Lionel engine was less "pricey", Lionel would sell more of them. This is >nothing more that the price/demand economics curve at work. What scares me >is that Lionel will jump in with their $699.95 unit. The market may not bear >that price. And they will forever point to it as the reason they won't >produce any more new motive power, or reintroduce some of the older >steamers. And over time as the rolling stock sells off, they will abandon >that market as well. $699.95 plus sales tax is more than a week's take home >pay for many Americans. > >Understand this. I truly hope that they are successful. If they are then we >can expect other good things. > >BIGFOOT > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26366	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers

Thanks for the info. The numbers of the cars are 24610-CAboose, 24310-gulf car, nad 24110-Gondola. I will mostly convert to an operational knuckle. >>> "John Gattis" <JHG2572@...> 07/15/03 18:24 PM >>> I have a couple of cars that have a solid knuckle coupler on them. Can anyone tell me about those? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26367	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers

--- John Gattis <JHG2572@...> wrote: > Thanks for the info. The numbers of the cars are 24610-CAboose, > 24310-gulf car, nad 24110-Gondola. I will mostly convert to an > operational knuckle. I don't think this is possible since the truck is different and the coupler is not detachable. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26368	From: keith kuzma	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers

Scott,You may be thinking of pikemaster, but the cars with solid couplers had sintered iron trucks that are removable and interchangeable with working knuckles..Keith --- Scott Holm <imsscott@...> wrote: > --- John Gattis <JHG2572@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the info. The numbers of the cars are > 24610-CAboose, > > 24310-gulf car, nad 24110-Gondola. I will mostly > convert to an > > operational knuckle. > > I don't think this is possible since the truck is > different and the > coupler is not detachable. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26369	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

Chris, As I reckon it, the whole thing is about supply and demand. Henry Ford was producing a product that virtually everyone in the United States wanted. He could therefore afford to develop mass production capabilities. While his profit per unit was less, because the market was so huge (100 million of us at the time, so I've read) he knew (or was pretty sure) he could make it (profit) up in volume. Ever notice the difference in price between the LAF Christmas car and the O gauge version? The LAF is always more. Insufficient numbers in the market to make it up in volume. And as others have now pointed out, the $699.00 is for the entire set, MSRP. The engine and tender are priced competitively with SHS. Still lots of bucks and outside my envelope, but considering all the bells and whistles, and what we hope will be good quality all round, a bargain. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Cbtrainnut1@... > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 02:29:33 -0400 (EDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Fwd: FW: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever > > In a message dated 7/16/03 1:02:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > rinphoto@... writes: > >> And being in the photo business, I have heard the phrase "But if you >> charged >> less, you would sell more", on more than one occasion. >> Only problem with that approach is that, for a highly specialized product, >> it is not a good business decision, generally speaking >> As one produces more of anything, there are more raw materials needed, more >> labor required to produce the product, and more shipping and handling >> materials and labor to get the thing out the door. >> > > If it is better to sell fewer at higher retail than to sell more for less > retail, why did Ford create an assembly line for the automobile, instead of > continuing to build them one at a time by hand? Not trying to be a smart butt > hear, > just trying to understand this whole pricing concept. > > Chris The Trainnut Burger > Dayton, Ohio > MVSG > NASG > TCA > www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26370	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Fwd: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

My money is going to S-Helper! Lionel can kiss my big fat ugly butt! Oh look Lionel says, let's jump on that S-Gauge band wagon not that the little guy has created a great market. Take your crew and tower chatter and...... well, you know where Lionel can put it. As far as 600 or 500 or 300 dollars..I wouldn't give it to them anyway. I'll take S-Helpers Consolidation and hope Lionel rots in wherever their headquarters may be. Sorry fella's, just tired of hearing about Lionel. They make overpriced crap. Go ahead and let me have it! I can take it. At least K-Line has a cost on the cars comparable to the worth of the car. Chris The Trainnut Burger Dayton, Ohio MVSG NASG TCA www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26371	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

Chuck, you asked the following question: "How many active S Gaugers are there?" At the risk of bringing down the wrath of the whole population of this group, I think there are at least a few of us who are not interested in the new engine. I don't know your definition of 'active S Gauger', but I consider myself one. I am from the group, as small as it may be -don't know - that only puts vintage AF on my pike. So no matter the features, level of detail or price, the new Mikado will not appear on my layout or on a display shelf. I would rather spend my money on a vintage hudson. Sorry I can't help to boost big L's sales and for those of you interested in the 'new' stuff, I hope it sells well. Just had to add my 2 cents to this discussion ...Barb Chuck Harrington wrote: > Ok, hasn't anyone gone to the web site? Lionel Mikado sells for $599 at full retail. It is already apparently being discounted to close to $500, and some will probably be sold for less than that. Where is all this $699 stuff coming from? > > "6-48036 American Flyer USRA Light Mikado Steam Locomotive Price: $ 599.99" A direct quote from Lionel's web site... > > I for one was afraid the price would be higher. This isn't 1950 anymore. This thing is apparently mostly die cast metal and has a couple hundred dollars worth of electronics in it. I doubt I would want what they could build and sell for $300 retail. Bill said there may be a DC version later with out all the electronic toys, that would sell for less. But I have seen the fancy O gauge engines running at York, and wished that only one of them were made in S, now it is! > > If they were making the 343 or 336 again, and had to start with fresh dyes and so forth, how much do you think they would cost? Most Flyer engines are a bargain. Even when we pay a premium for an execellent original Gilbert piece, we are buying something that could not be made even in China and be sold at the current going rate today... > > Lionel, big L, has finally given us what we have wanted for so long, I think they have offered it for a fair price. Lets see, if the dealers are discounting as low as $500, then what did they pay for it? What did it cost Lionel to do the tooling for it, and get it made in per unit price? > > If they were to sell thousands of them, the price could probably come down, but it would be interesting to hear how many these people think Lionel will produce and sell... A thousand maybe, 500? How many active S Gaugers are there? > > I remain excited about this new offering, and will make what ever adjustments in my collection are necessary to get it on my tracks. That is just me... I saw Bill's pictures from the NASG convention, and I see the quality. The Mikado has always been my favorite engine. I want it... > But this is just my opinion... > > =========== > > Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org > email - myflyertrains@... > 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! > Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club! > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26372	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> wrote: > You are absolutely correct in that there must be something, called profit. > in it for the manufacturer. > > But we ALL make price/quality decisions. I believe I pointed to this. If the > Lionel engine was less "pricey", Lionel would sell more of them. This is > nothing more that the price/demand economics curve at work. What scares me > is that Lionel will jump in with their $699.95 unit. The market may not bear > that price. And they will forever point to it as the reason they won't > produce any more new motive power, or reintroduce some of the older > steamers. And over time as the rolling stock sells off, they will abandon > that market as well. $699.95 plus sales tax is more than a week's take home > pay for many Americans. > > Understand this. I truly hope that they are successful. If they are then we > can expect other good things. > > BIGFOOT > If the price for the new Lionel Mikado were $699, I would agree that it is a little steep, however, the first announced price I have seen from a dealer (the Train Station, http://www.train-station.com/cgi- local/ebshop.pl/page=full_frame.html/SID=PUT_SID_HERE) sets the NYC- lettered version of the locomotive at just over $500 and the B&O 2-8- 2 four car passenger set at $672. So we should be talking about $500 locomotives and not $700 locomotives. Big difference. And when you compare the price of the Lionel Mike ($500) to the currently available AM steamers ($400 for an NYC Hudson) and $540 for the new SHS steamer, it seems reasonable. I would think that the new L-AF steamer would have a comparable amount of detail to the new SHS and slightly more than the AM. The new Lionel AF steamer is all die cast and includes their most premium features (TMCC, Railsounds, cab interior, operating classification lights, etc. Given those features, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If they were simply trying to gouge us based on the AF name, I would expect a much higher price or fewer features. Just my $.02 Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26373	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, and K-line

Guys we. have wanted more new stuff....well the Companies are listening....I have several 499's that will pull maybe 3 cars....I pulled a new lionel ep-5 out of the box and thru it on the track with 10 pass cars....ran away with them.... As for me...I don't have a pile of money either, but as soon as I can find the best prices I am going to put in an order for a pass set and a mallet....I also want a Virginian by AM ( just found 23 am new cars...box, flat, gon, hopper for 400 ) I still have a MTH mallet "g" guage on back order.....and still waiting...but I did get the Hudson....They look great on a shelf...BIGGIES.... All you have to do is SQUIRREL away 50 - 75 each month....and you can do it.... BTW....did you all see the price on e-bay for the NYC set? Over 1000.00 Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26374	From: hgetrain	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

It appears that Lionel is making a serious attempt to offer an S gauge steamer that is comparable to their better O gauge locomotives. I doubt that the detail will quite reach the level of the SHS offering, however the sound system should be much better. All in all, the price seems in line. The new steamer will be my first purchase from Lionel in over 10 years. I hope this is the start of many high quality products from Lionel, and the boost that S gauge is so deserving of. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@u...> wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> wrote: > > ........And when you compare the price of the Lionel Mike ($500) to the > currently available AM steamers ($400 for an NYC Hudson) and $540 for > the new SHS steamer, it seems reasonable. I would think that the new > L-AF steamer would have a comparable amount of detail to the new SHS > and slightly more than the AM. The new Lionel AF steamer is all die > cast and includes their most premium features (TMCC, Railsounds, cab > interior, operating classification lights, etc. Given those > features, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If they were simply > trying to gouge us based on the AF name, I would expect a much higher > price or fewer features. > > Just my $.02 > Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26375	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Scale] John Foley, Immediate Executive Vice President N

Hi Folks Jeff Madden asked me to pass this along. You can let Jeff know at nasgdispatch@... or reply to this email and I will pass it along to Jeff. John > > > If you could - relay this to the Yahoo groups. I'd like to know of > those that attended the convention if any went to the > self-drive places: layouts in Madison, Circus Parade, Circus Display, > Little A-Merrick-A, Brewery, etc. Other than the layouts, we have no > way of judging whether people took advantage of these things. Jeff > > >---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26376	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

In a message dated 7/16/2003 10:00:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Cbtrainnut1@... writes: > I'll take S-Helpers Consolidation and hope Lionel rots in wherever their > headquarters may be.Sorry fella's, just tired of hearing about Lionel. They > make overpriced crap. Go ahead and let me have it! I can take it. My, my! And, sight unseen, too. :) RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26377	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Process of re-chroming plastic

And the problem of your sub-base letting go of your of your plastic. As explained to me by one of the companies that does the plating, your bumper on most cars are plastic and I was told they are a special plastic that allows the chrome to be plated on. The other method of chrome but done by a dip method after the plastic is prepared. This guy offered the vacuum method but he used chrome and not aluminum. Thank you Larry Jackman On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 12:21 PM, rogerpjr@... wrote: > The process of chroming plastic is not really chrome plating like done > with car bumpers, etc. What it is actually called is vacuum > metalizing and is done with aluminum. You can apply real chrome (and > other metal) plating to plastic and other non-metallic items by first > coating the object with a metallic base substance, usually microscopic > silver in a lacquer base. Then the object can be easily plated. I > have done this many times. Problem is the loss of very fine details. > > Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO > > > -------Original Message------- > From: traindoctor2003 <traindoctor2003@...> > Sent: 07/15/03 07:56 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Process of re-chroming plastic > >> >> Is it possible? How do they get the chromium to adhear to the plastic > diesel shell to begin with? I have a black 364 and a white 360 > plastic bodies that are stripped , and 400 grit smooth sanded that > would be wonderful to rechrome. > > I have been looking at 'Lindsay' books on old time methods of > chroming, but some of the process is still unclear. And some of the > old chemical names do not seem readily available in this 'politically > correct' society that we live in today. > Gosh, I miss the good ole' days when we took responsibility for our > actions into our own hands!!!!! > > Can it be done in a home shop on plastics at a reasonable cost? > > Thanks, Mikey. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >> > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26378	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Process of re-chroming plastic

There are two processes to chrome plastic. One is a dip type after the plastic is throughly cleaned. The other is an electric process but you must have a special plastic that will conduct. I was going to produce a model that needed to be chromed and talked to a couple of the people that do this work. Price was out of my league for what I was wanting to produce. You auto has the dipped process. Thank you Larry Jackman On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 09:23 AM, David Dewey wrote: > Mikey, > Sorry to tell you, but 400 grit sand scratches will show when > chromed! > The plastic must be SMOOOOTH, at least to 2000 grit or better. The > process > is not the same as metal chroming, but I have forgotten the > explanation I > was once given! > S' > David D. > PS later production ACG alco shells weren't smooth enough for chroming > just > because of mold wear!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26379	From: TCS	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: url for Mopac Modeling

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 26380	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

Cbtrainnut1@... wrote: >My money is going to S-Helper! Lionel can kiss my ^&(#&&^@)))*&#^ > It seems that many of us have some unresolved hostilities towards Lionel. Maybe we should get over it? I have quite a bit of S-Helper rolling stock. These are very nice models. They are highly detailed, and some kids of all ages, tend to break them when handling them. I have a broken S-Helper caboose and a broken American Models cattle car, both of them with pieces broken off. Ok, some of us "kids" are maybe not as careful as we should be. Accidents happen. Many of these wonderful models are just too fragile for me. (OK, let me have it, I can take it!) I am hoping that the Lionel engine is a little more sturdy. It may or may not be, but I am open minded enough to wait and see... For those who want the S-Helper engine. Great. It will be a nice model. I am sure of it! The K-line engine, may be a little more pricey than their S gauge rolling stock was, and may too be accused of being oversized. We will have to see... The others that want to stick with original Gilbert. I feel it with you man! I love Gilbert stuff, and it represents 90% of my collection, and is almost the only thing I run and play with. These are TOY TRAINS everyone! I enjoy reading and talking about them. They do tend to take your mind off the REAL problems of life and the world, don't they...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26381	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: : [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

Hi All: Although I also have quite a bit of nostalgia for my AF: however, as has been mentioned before, if AC Gilbert were alive and running the show today, he probably would have gone towards modern technologies, sound, etc. In fact, he might have been producing the same type of material that we are going to see from the dreaded ex-opposition. Who knows? We will never know, so let's just wait and see what we will get. These are certainly interesting times, however. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Chuck Harrington wrote: >Cbtrainnut1@... wrote: > > > >>My money is going to S-Helper! Lionel can kiss my ^&(#&&^@)))*&#^ >> >> >> >It seems that many of us have some unresolved hostilities towards >Lionel. Maybe we should get over it? > >I have quite a bit of S-Helper rolling stock. These are very nice >models. They are highly detailed, and some kids of all ages, tend to >break them when handling them. I have a broken S-Helper caboose and a >broken American Models cattle car, both of them with pieces broken off. >Ok, some of us "kids" are maybe not as careful as we should be. >Accidents happen. Many of these wonderful models are just too fragile >for me. (OK, let me have it, I can take it!) > >I am hoping that the Lionel engine is a little more sturdy. It may or >may not be, but I am open minded enough to wait and see... > >For those who want the S-Helper engine. Great. It will be a nice model. >I am sure of it! The K-line engine, may be a little more pricey than >their S gauge rolling stock was, and may too be accused of being >oversized. We will have to see... The others that want to stick with >original Gilbert. I feel it with you man! I love Gilbert stuff, and it >represents 90% of my collection, and is almost the only thing I run and >play with. These are TOY TRAINS everyone! I enjoy reading and talking >about them. They do tend to take your mind off the REAL problems of life >and the world, don't they... > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26382	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Lionel Chionel

Fella's I said Butt not A#%$%&^$! I divorced my A%$@@&^@&* yrs ago! :>) CB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26383	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Process of re-chroming plastic

Can anyone put PRICES along with this thread...IE ... how much to do an engine...In gold plating or chrome plating? Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26384	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

Personally, I think it is great that Lionel is paying attention to the S guage market. Even if not everyone can afford the 2-8-2, it shows that Lionel might be paying more attention to us. Maybe if my tax refund is big enough (might have to declare the cats as children this year...hah!) Anyway, I do have a question: will Railsounds work with old Flyer equipment? Or, perhaps the better question is this: how do Railsounds work? -denny

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26385	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: 1953 vs 2003 Re: FW: [S-Trains] new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:01:14 -0500, Roy Inman wrote: >But if they have it priced so high that they have "priced themselves out of >the market," then that is where we are in S today. One must remember that in 1953, toy trains was the number 1 toy for Christmas. Today it scarcely makes the list. Yet the need for everyone to make a living - buy food and shelter - remains constant. I hope Lionel does a good job, and I'll save up my pennies for that and other AF repo's they are building. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26386	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: new production

"I also believe that many who operate trains are going to find that all new designs with accurate detailing and advanced features such as TMCC and Railsounds are, in some ways, more rewarding to play with than the old. The new O gauge trains bring an awful lot to the party that, when translated to S, many of you are going to fall for. I love my vintage Gilbert, but quite frankly, it's time to move on. Lionel's new Mike and SHS's Consolidation are good steps in the right direction." RB I completely disagree with and reject this statement. First of all, nothing is going to replace the thrill of bringing 50+ year old toys back to life, and making childhood dreams come true. Second, these new features don't thrill me. If you are just gonna run a train around and around a loop perhaps this adds to the fun, but there is so much to do on my railroads that marker lights that turn on and off and crew talk are not needed. Tiny sounds from tiny speakers kind of kill the "bigness effect" of larger size trains such as S. I like the diesel roar and the cylinder driven choo and even that crazy nutso whistle. Driving my trains with something like a TV remote doesn't thrill me either. I like to slam down and crank the handles on those turret transformers! That's BIG! Sure, you get a little better detail and a little better slow speed operation with the new stuff, but original AF if properly maintained runs well enough to make up and break up trains in a yard, and that's good enough for me. I want loud, and sparks, and buzz,, and ACTION. I respect that some folks are trying to take things in a new direction, but I myself like Gilbert Flyer just fine the way it is. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26387	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: A F 2-8-2

I know I said I would'nt buy any more of their Chionel stuff, but the USRA 2-8-2 could be an indication that Lionel has finally woke up & maybe revitalized it self after many years of producing the same old stuff. The introduction of this engine is notable for some first , as it will be the first freight engine for A F as all the others were either passenger or yard engines & yes the projected price is a bit high, but not out of line for a totaly new engine,I will wait to see what the final product is,But to the folks at Lionel be warned this is your last chance with Me. Don't blow it!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26388	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: new production

In a message dated 7/16/03 6:54:43 PM, jarcho@... writes: << "I also believe that many who operate trains are going to find that all new designs with accurate detailing and advanced features such as TMCC and Railsounds are, in some ways, more rewarding to play with than the old. The new O gauge trains bring an awful lot to the party that, when translated to S, many of you are going to fall for. I love my vintage Gilbert, but quite frankly, it's time to move on. Lionel's new Mike and SHS's Consolidation are good steps in the right direction." RB << I completely disagree with and reject this statement. >> Tom, don't knock something you haven't tried. As I said, MANY of you are going to fall for it -- not ALL. <grin> TMCC, as currently and widely practiced in 0 gauge permits one to address and control multiple engines individually in the same block. One can uncouple and couple anywhere on a layout. Cruise control IS useful and addictive. One can easily perform engine lashups. In many ways operations are fun and more realistic at the same time. I have both -- I know the charms of both. Enjoying one (the new) does not preclude enjoying the other (the old). To each their own. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26389	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: new production

You may very well be right on this one. However, those of us that still operate with AF motive power will have to do considerable upgrading to take advantage of it. And that will come with an initial investment. Also, won't this subtract collector's value from the motive power that we upgrade? Let's go back to pricing. IF the $699.95 plus sales tax (another $40 to $50) is a full set including the Mike and tender, two or three heavyweight passenger cars, some track and a transformer, and the Mike includes all of the bells and whistles, then the SET might be a value. That's $100 for transformer, tracks and two passenger cars. Not a bad price. IF the engine has a simple switch of connections that can be gotten to change it from AC to DC and back again, then in my view it has more value. Down the road I might like to operate DC. But for now, there are changes that would have to made in a 312, 322, Geep and PA. I am still happy that Lionel is getting back into our market, regardless. BIGFOOT ----- Original Message ----- From: <rbubeck327@...> To: <jarcho@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new production > In a message dated 7/16/03 6:54:43 PM, jarcho@... writes: > > << "I also believe that many who operate trains are going to find that all new > designs with accurate detailing and advanced features such as TMCC and > Railsounds are, in some ways, more rewarding to play with than the old. The > new O gauge trains bring an awful lot to the party that, when translated to > S, many of > you are going to fall for. I love my vintage Gilbert, but quite frankly, it's > time to move on. Lionel's new Mike and SHS's Consolidation are good steps > in the right direction." RB > > << I completely disagree with and reject this statement. >> > > Tom, don't knock something you haven't tried. As I said, MANY of you are > going to fall for it -- not ALL. <grin> > > TMCC, as currently and widely practiced in 0 gauge permits one to address and > control multiple engines individually in the same block. One can uncouple and > couple anywhere on a layout. Cruise control IS useful and addictive. One can > easily perform engine lashups. In many ways operations are fun and more > realistic at the same time. I have both -- I know the charms of both. Enjoying one > (the new) does not preclude enjoying the other (the old). To each their own. > > RB > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26390	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: "S" Options.

Well,...with Lionel AF, SHS, AM, & now K-Line,....it all adds up to "options"! I like options!!! Buy what ya like! You can please some of the people all of the time, and please all of the people, some of the time. But ya can't please ALL of the people, ALL of the time!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26391	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Tehachapi Loop & K-Line rolling stock...

The daughter and I went over to the infamous Tehachapi Loop (CALIF.) over the weekend,..and stopped in my favorite train store there. Doug and Sheryl are a SUPER nice couple!! Besides all of the "souvenir" train goodies,...they stock Lionel and Lionel AF, K-Line "O" gauge, and sell postwar Lionel and AF locos and rolling stock!! And accessories of course...and Doug does repairs. ( I found a '99 AF Christmas car I've been looking for) They did have a few of the new K-Line "S"goodies,..and I bought the "HOOKER" tank car. To me, the tanker rides 'high' on the trucks,...no cut-out in the frame for the coupler. Looks odd to me when looking level, from the side. Too much screw post showing. Trucks look nice, and seems to have very good bearings. The top of the frame has wood, metal, rivets, cast into it. I think a nice looking car for the money. Did Don mention the trucks/couplers were made by the same company as SHS? They look VERY close. It seems if the screw post was shortened, and the frame notched for the couplers,...it would ride lower. I dunno,..maybe it is supposed to ride high,...I'm not "prototype correct"!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26392	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: K-Line Tanker/AF tanker photo

http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album31&id=AF_629_K_Line_s_Hooker_tanker_AF_958 This link SHOULD take you to the photo!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26393	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Couplers

Don't confuse the Pikemaster all-plastic trucks and couplers with the "dummy" KC metal trucks with plastic couplers. These can be changed out to operational ones, if desired, and it's not difficult. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26394	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: couplers

The dummy couplered cars I have seen most often are the three freight cars that came with the 21106 Atlantic - the Gulf tank, PRR gon, and red caboose. i have a chrome plated 960 with dummy KC couplers. Have always wondered what set THAT came from. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26395	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1945

In a message dated 7/16/03 8:03:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 25 > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:03:02 -0700 > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > Subject: "S" Options. > I totally agree with your statement on this one, Rick. Couldn't have said it better myself. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26396	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Engine Driivers

There is a problem on my layout. I built my layout in the early seventies. Gilbert track and switches were used. Some straight Gargrave on cork was used on long straight runs. I have no desire to replace the system. That is a four wheel configuration runs well. A six wheel configuration with extreme care may run. While they are beautiful, the Gilbert Northern may make a turn out. When entertaining, one tries not to make too many excuses. Right! So multi-wheel configurations set on the shelf. The only real exception is the Gilbert Pacific's. I make these observations as I don't believe I am alone have this experience. I speak with experience. What is on the track? A sw-1, sw-9, gp-7, PA, and american. There is a trolley and handcar. This combination entertains well. Oh, I weaken now and again. I have an SD-60 in green and black colors. To begin, S collectors are small in number. Reduce the number by non-runners (Gilbert collectors only), small budget operators and Gilbert track runners. There is not many operators left. The talk of a big and bigger engine really doesn't make sense. I remember when Lionel was going to produce the Hudson and others. Finally, Lionel came out with a Rock Island GP-7. I had to buy a lot of GP's before they finally produced an RI and then it is a poor runner with the cab forward. Yes, I was raised along side the RI Enough!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26397	From: David	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Removing Dry Transfers

Thanks for all of the suggestions. What ended up working fine was very light fingernail scraping to loosen things a bit then a rubbing with a soft cloth dampened with WD-40. A soap and water bath and patting fry with a clean soft towel and the shell was good as new. As an aside, has anyone else gotten this e-mail from Yahoo asking for account verification info all of a sudden?? They sent me one with the excise they were performing their usual updating and verifying of records and wanted me to go fill out a form asking for a ton of personal info and a CC number and that my account cannot be used at Yahoo auctions until I do. I've had this account for years and now all of a sudden they want verification??? BUNK!! They can keep their SPAM info collecting junk mail and their crummy auction.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26398	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Lionel Set - Track? Transformer?

Greetings, BIG FOOT was proposing that the Lionel S Steamer set with tender, passenger cars, track and transformer would be a reasonable purchase. Yes, that would be. BUT - if it is like my NYC set of 2002, you have to supply your own track and transformer. I believe it was pointed out last year that Lionel does not make track for S gauge trains and therefore will not supply it in their sets. Others may have more information. I haven't seen the catalog yet, but hope to order the B & O set. Thanks, Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26399	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] new production

Well, we all pays our money and takes our choice. Tom has hit upon something here that I think is critical to the whole model/toy/scale train world these days: most of us oldsters may have lost some or all of the imagination we had as youngsters watching our trains run around the tree. Now, in our "adult" mental mode, most of us have to see it and hear it, as realistic as possible, because our imaginations just don't work the same. I congratulate Tom on still being able to retain that magical mind set. Cheers, Roy Inman ---------- > From: jarcho@... > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:53:11 -0400 > To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] new production > > I > want loud, and sparks, and buzz,, and ACTION. > > I respect that some folks are trying to take things in a new direction, but > I myself like Gilbert Flyer just fine the way it is. > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26400	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] new production

And, TMCC trains run in conventional mode with plain old Flyer or Lionel transformers from the '50's. You don't gotta have the electronic hookups to run the locos. They just do more stuff with the gizmos attached to the track. Roy Inman ---------- > From: rbubeck327@... > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:35:16 -0400 (EDT) > To: jarcho@..., S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] new production > > In a message dated 7/16/03 6:54:43 PM, jarcho@... writes: > > << "I also believe that many who operate trains are going to find that all new > designs with accurate detailing and advanced features such as TMCC and > Railsounds are, in some ways, more rewarding to play with than the old. The > new O gauge trains bring an awful lot to the party that, when translated to > S, many of > you are going to fall for. I love my vintage Gilbert, but quite frankly, it's > time to move on. Lionel's new Mike and SHS's Consolidation are good steps > in the right direction." RB > > << I completely disagree with and reject this statement. >> > > Tom, don't knock something you haven't tried. As I said, MANY of you are > going to fall for it -- not ALL. <grin> > > TMCC, as currently and widely practiced in 0 gauge permits one to address and > control multiple engines individually in the same block. One can uncouple and > couple anywhere on a layout. Cruise control IS useful and addictive. One can > easily perform engine lashups. In many ways operations are fun and more > realistic at the same time. I have both -- I know the charms of both. Enjoying > one > (the new) does not preclude enjoying the other (the old). To each their own. > > RB > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26401	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1945

The Lionel engine will operate on AC only. If you want to run DC you will have to wait till they bring out the scale unit and hope they offer it equipped as a hi-rail piece. The Railsounds and TMCC are AC only. That's what the Lionel guy told me at the convention. John Griffin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26402	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: new production, etc

To each their own -- I could not agree more! I just want to point out that I have not gotten near the end of the fun that can be had with straight Gilbert production, despite years of trying. It's great to have trains that pull more, run slower, roll easier, have more detail, have more features and more varied sounds and control options, running on better looking track. It's great to have people in the hobby dedicated to making these things happen. I myself have gotten interested in controlling trains with small computers such as the Basic Stamp, identifying them with bar code detectors, and so forth. I would love to have a DCC or TMCC system where I could raise the pantograph of an EP-5 when it reached the end of "third rail territory". But there are also intriguing challenges involved in getting the most out of Gilbert stuff. I have written up a reverse loop that holds a train until another one comes along, and a system where three trains on sidings stop and start each other in sequence, both made with Gilbert components. That's just the beginning of one new / old direction. I would like to set up a freight yard that holds more than 100 cars, a layout where trains have to dodge a steady stream of short commuter trains controlled by automatic circuits, an operating car ferry built atop an RC vehicle mechanism, and so forth. I would like to build a NYC P-motor from two crane bodies, PA motors, and other Flyer components. There's just no end to it. And all kinds of animated accessory displays are possible. What about a four lane hiway in which the cars are moving with head- and tail-lights lit, and the passing lane in each direction is moving faster than the slow lane; accompanied by a tape loop of hiway sounds, it would make a great backdrop for railroad action. If your 499's pull only 3 cars, repair them. They probably need either rebushing or new armatures or brush springs. If your Flyer steam locos won't stay on the tracks, fix your tracks! Try raising the outer rail on curves and switches a tad. THEN go out and get some of that new stuff, if it appeals to you. But don't neglect the fun possibilities that ol' A C made possible. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26403	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: IMPORTANT__Dangerous Fraud, was: Re: Removing Dry Transfers

David & All, That was not a note from Yahoo, but from someone trying to steal your credit card info, or your identity. These messages also originate from "Paypal" or "Ebay" but really aren't. Never respond to such an email with your information!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26404	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel mike

One thing I have not seen mentioned in all the ongoing discussion of the new Lionel mikado is that TMCC is a Lionel proprietary system that is not compatible with anything presently used in S gauge. It is not the same as DCC, DC or AC and requires separate purchase of the TMCC system in order to access the features. It looks like a nice engine and I'd like to buy one without the built in electronics so that I could add a DCC decoder and sound system. Lionel's website shows a list of $599 for the engine and $799 for the set. Street price should be 10 or 15% less. Bill Frazier In a message dated 7/16/03 8:03:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:25:32 -0000 > From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> > Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> wrote: > >You are absolutely correct in that there must be something, called > profit. > >in it for the manufacturer. > > > >But we ALL make price/quality decisions. I believe I pointed to > this. If the > >Lionel engine was less "pricey", Lionel would sell more of them. > This is > >nothing more that the price/demand economics curve at work. What > scares me > >is that Lionel will jump in with their $699.95 unit. The market may > not bear > >that price. And they will forever point to it as the reason they > won't > >produce any more new motive power, or reintroduce some of the older > >steamers. And over time as the rolling stock sells off, they will > abandon > >that market as well. $699.95 plus sales tax is more than a week's > take home > >pay for many Americans. > > > >Understand this. I truly hope that they are successful. If they are > then we > >can expect other good things. > > > >BIGFOOT > > > > If the price for the new Lionel Mikado were $699, I would agree that > it is a little steep, however, the first announced price I have seen > from a dealer (the Train Station, http://www.train-station.com/cgi- > local/ebshop.pl/page=full_frame.html/SID=PUT_SID_HERE) sets the NYC- > lettered version of the locomotive at just over $500 and the B&O 2-8- > 2 four car passenger set at $672. So we should be talking about $500 > locomotives and not $700 locomotives. Big difference. > > And when you compare the price of the Lionel Mike ($500) to the > currently available AM steamers ($400 for an NYC Hudson) and $540 for > the new SHS steamer, it seems reasonable. I would think that the new > L-AF steamer would have a comparable amount of detail to the new SHS > and slightly more than the AM. The new Lionel AF steamer is all die > cast and includes their most premium features (TMCC, Railsounds, cab > interior, operating classification lights, etc. Given those > features, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If they were simply > trying to gouge us based on the AF name, I would expect a much higher > price or fewer features. > > Just my $.02 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26405	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: Engine Driivers

Hello! It sounds like you may have a couple of problems with your layout! I have and run all my AF 4-8-4's 4-6-4's and what ever else I wish to run, and it's all on original AF track. There are a couple of things I have encountered along the years that may help...first I always check the track that it is "horizontially" straight , no dips,bends or twists. Also the subroad bed or table top can be an issue(warped plywood top or homasote) joints where tables are joined together, etc. Other problems I've seen are with the locomotives themselves. On two occasions, I have had AF 4-8-4 with mismatched driver rims either done at the factory or by an owner. For example,Pullmor driver rims are "thicker" diameter than non-pullmor ones. To check this, place your 4-8-4 on two pieces of your best straight track. Then attempt to gently "rock" the loco itself. If it "rocks" diagonally then you have two different sizes of rims either on the front set or back set of drivers. This causes nothing but grief when running these beauties on stock AF track. To fix, remove the drivers and dissassemble the wheels to get the rims by themselves, then try matching them up in pairs. You may need a couple of spare rims to make up a set. Also , AF turnouts sometimes have a problem with their "frogs", they can be worn on the outside curve, where it can actually cause the loco to "dip" when going thru the curve section of the switch, causing it to derail I hope this helps and gets your bigger power running flawlessly on your layout. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <milayman@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine Driivers > There is a problem on my layout. I built my layout in the early seventies. > Gilbert track and switches were used. Some straight Gargrave on cork was used > on long straight runs. I have no desire to replace the system. That is a > four wheel configuration runs well. A six wheel configuration with extreme care > may run. While they are beautiful, the Gilbert Northern may make a turn out. > When entertaining, one tries not to make too many excuses. Right! So > multi-wheel configurations set on the shelf. The only real exception is the Gilbert > Pacific's. I make these observations as I don't believe I am alone have this > experience. I speak with experience. What is on the track? A sw-1, sw-9, gp-7, > PA, and american. There is a trolley and handcar. This combination entertains > well. Oh, I weaken now and again. I have an SD-60 in green and black > colors. To begin, S collectors are small in number. Reduce the number by > non-runners (Gilbert collectors only), small budget operators and Gilbert track runners. > There is not many operators left. The talk of a big and bigger engine > really doesn't make sense. I remember when Lionel was going to produce the Hudson > and others. Finally, Lionel came out with a Rock Island GP-7. I had to buy a > lot of GP's before they finally produced an RI and then it is a poor runner > with the cab forward. Yes, I was raised along side the RI Enough! > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26406	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel mike

Hi Bill....that's one thing that I wanted to mention, is that Lionel "O" sometimes has the option of having their Loco's either Tradional or TMCC usually the Tradional version is about a $100 bucks cheaper which would be fine by me(whistle and smoke only). I would like to see the NYC Mike with four heavweight cars, that would be cool. Also, did they intentionally short change us on the NYC PA set? I think it looks great and would mind picking one up in the future. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <bilfrazier@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel mike > One thing I have not seen mentioned in all the ongoing discussion of the new > Lionel mikado is that TMCC is a Lionel proprietary system that is not > compatible with anything presently used in S gauge. It is not the same as DCC, DC or > AC and requires separate purchase of the TMCC system in order to access the > features. > It looks like a nice engine and I'd like to buy one without the built in > electronics so that I could add a DCC decoder and sound system. > Lionel's website shows a list of $599 for the engine and $799 for the set. > Street price should be 10 or 15% less. > > Bill Frazier > > In a message dated 7/16/03 8:03:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:25:32 -0000 > > From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> > > Subject: Re: new Chionel, or flyonel, or whatever > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> wrote: > > >You are absolutely correct in that there must be something, called > > profit. > > >in it for the manufacturer. > > > > > >But we ALL make price/quality decisions. I believe I pointed to > > this. If the > > >Lionel engine was less "pricey", Lionel would sell more of them. > > This is > > >nothing more that the price/demand economics curve at work. What > > scares me > > >is that Lionel will jump in with their $699.95 unit. The market may > > not bear > > >that price. And they will forever point to it as the reason they > > won't > > >produce any more new motive power, or reintroduce some of the older > > >steamers. And over time as the rolling stock sells off, they will > > abandon > > >that market as well. $699.95 plus sales tax is more than a week's > > take home > > >pay for many Americans. > > > > > >Understand this. I truly hope that they are successful. If they are > > then we > > >can expect other good things. > > > > > >BIGFOOT > > > > > > > If the price for the new Lionel Mikado were $699, I would agree that > > it is a little steep, however, the first announced price I have seen > > from a dealer (the Train Station, http://www.train-station.com/cgi- > > local/ebshop.pl/page=full_frame.html/SID=PUT_SID_HERE) sets the NYC- > > lettered version of the locomotive at just over $500 and the B&O 2-8- > > 2 four car passenger set at $672. So we should be talking about $500 > > locomotives and not $700 locomotives. Big difference. > > > > And when you compare the price of the Lionel Mike ($500) to the > > currently available AM steamers ($400 for an NYC Hudson) and $540 for > > the new SHS steamer, it seems reasonable. I would think that the new > > L-AF steamer would have a comparable amount of detail to the new SHS > > and slightly more than the AM. The new Lionel AF steamer is all die > > cast and includes their most premium features (TMCC, Railsounds, cab > > interior, operating classification lights, etc. Given those > > features, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If they were simply > > trying to gouge us based on the AF name, I would expect a much higher > > price or fewer features. > > > > Just my $.02 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26407	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: new production

Hi Tom!....I am thinking along those lines as well , I wish Lionel would produce the 4-8-4 with real WHITE WALL drivers! Now that would be impressive! Also with the traditional smoke and choo choo unit inside. I can't see the original dies being in that bad of shape, Lionel cranked out piles of PRR Turnbines for years and most likely produced more than twice the number of these units than AF Challengers. I had a bunch of the new O gauge stuff with all the "bells and whistles" . If you ran more than 3 engines at once, you could not tell which engine was making the sounds. Now a traditional choo choo unit you can hear in the multitude with out the drone. Yeah I found my roots to strong and sold all of the "NEW" technology stuff for good old AC Gilbert. I had to many unpleasant experiences with things going into "reset" and "spiking" boards etc. The old stuff I can fix and have fun doing it. But I"ll still save my pennies and buy a K-line Big Boy if it comes out! Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] new production > "I also believe that many who operate trains are going to find that all new > designs with accurate detailing and advanced features such as TMCC and > Railsounds are, in some ways, more rewarding to play with than the old. The > new O gauge > trains bring an awful lot to the party that, when translated to S, many of > you are going to fall for. I love my vintage Gilbert, but quite frankly, it's > time to move on. Lionel's new Mike and SHS's Consolidation are good steps > in the > right direction." RB > > I completely disagree with and reject this statement. First of all, > nothing is going to replace the thrill of bringing 50+ year old toys back > to life, and making childhood dreams come true. Second, these new features > don't thrill me. If you are just gonna run a train around and around a > loop perhaps this adds to the fun, but there is so much to do on my > railroads that marker lights that turn on and off and crew talk are not > needed. Tiny sounds from tiny speakers kind of kill the "bigness effect" > of larger size trains such as S. I like the diesel roar and the cylinder > driven choo and even that crazy nutso whistle. Driving my trains with > something like a TV remote doesn't thrill me either. I like to slam down > and crank the handles on those turret transformers! That's BIG! Sure, you > get a little better detail and a little better slow speed operation with > the new stuff, but original AF if properly maintained runs well enough to > make up and break up trains in a yard, and that's good enough for me. I > want loud, and sparks, and buzz,, and ACTION. > > I respect that some folks are trying to take things in a new direction, but > I myself like Gilbert Flyer just fine the way it is. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26408	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: new production

In a message dated 7/17/2003 3:52:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mkielek@... writes: > I wish Lionel would produce the 4-8-4 with real WHITE WALL drivers! I like them, too! These are usually available at train shows, York, ebay, etc. Gilbert made lots of them 40 - 50 years ago. <g> RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26409	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Linonel Mike Passenger set

Gentlemen I have looked at the Lionel catalogue and did not find pictures up yet for the B&O set. My question is what kind of passenger cars are provided with the set. Are they the same streamlined sets as with the PA NYC set or are they new versions of the heavyweights or something else? Any enlightment would be appreciated. Joe H [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26410	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: Linonel Mike Passenger set

For those who missed it the first time, here is Bill Lane's link to the pictures of the Lionel engine we have been talking about... http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Lionel_loco.jpg Joseph Haughney wrote: >Gentlemen > >I have looked at the Lionel catalogue and did not find pictures up yet >for the B&O set. > -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26411	From: slizerian	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Gorgeous new S scale stuff from Paper Creek Model Works!

Hello all: It's not very often that something this great comes along in S scale. I want to tell you about my good friend George Taylor's latest creation, Paper Creek Model Works. George is a very talented artist who also happens to be a modeler. He has managed to combine his artistic skills with the wonder of laser cutting. The result is a stunning line of model structure kits and scratchbuilding supplies. These all come FULLY colored and weathered. All you do is assemble the building, apply the fantastic shingle strips and plant it on your layout. Right now, George is selling his shingles in S scale. More S scale products are on the way! I think you'll be very impressed. Take a look and see it all for yourself at: www.papercreek.com Don't forget to grab a FREE outhouse while you're there! Enjoy, Brian Knott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26412	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Lionel Mikado issue

Hi All: Anyone have any idea how close the 2-8-2 Mikado that Lionel will be issuing for NYC and B&O is to an ATSF Mikado? I wrote to L and asked if they possibly planned to issue an ATSF model of it in the future. Although I sent it to the "talk to us group" on their website, they sent it on to the Marketing group for answer. It would seem that some group other than Marketing would be involved in selecting road liveries. Oh well, guess I could get one and try to get it close to the SF one. Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26413	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Recent questions answered by earlier posts

Bob Bubek's original post explained all the information about the Lionel steam engine, the configuration, prices, number of cars (4), type of cars (streamliners), ...etc: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/26292 rj4010d posted instructions on how to modify the K-line tank cars to sit lower: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/26225 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26414	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: S gauge cars for Anheiser Bush, McDonalds, State Farm, Morton Salt?

Does anyone know if there are any cars available in S gauge that have the "Liveries" for Anheiser Bush (or Budweiser, Bud Light, etc), McDonalds, or State Farm, Morton Salt, or U.S. Gypsum? I might have an opportunity to show off some trains at work in September, and thought it would be cool to have some cars showing off our client's names. Please let me know, Denny

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26415	From: Neil Becker	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: AF 2-8-2

I wonder how hard it will be to covert their 2-8-2 Mike to a 2-8-4 Berkshire? Then change decals? That way you folks who are modeling more current eras could run passenger specials using working steam 1 foot to 1 foot scale engines such as PM 1225 http://www.mstrp.com/index.html or NP 765. OK before it starts; I know they won't look like real Berkshires but at least they'll have the correct wheel arrangement and, hey, I'm a high railer anyway. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26416	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: 2003 NASG Convention - View From The Hinterlands, Part Deux

All, I will attempt a news summary from the recent NASG convention along the lines of the one I did for the last year's Fall S Fest. I will try not to repeat the items (in great detail) that have received considerable discussion in the last several days, ie. Lionel's announced Mike. As before, this report is not meant to be all inclusive of everything that went on at the convention, but merely the high points from my point of view. The following represent updates from various manufacturers/dealers: B.T.S. - Bill and Diane were there with a nice selection of structure kits, detail parts, brass GP-30s, and BL-2s. Nice to see Diane looking quite healthy, following her recent auto accident. DesPlaines Hobbies - Ron and Susan Sebastian had lots of neat stuff. As Bill Lane's pic showed, the USRA gond looked very nice, with lots of detail, especially on the bottom. The boxcar in the rear of Bill's photo interested me a great deal, as it was done in New Orleans Public Belt colors. As Ron has posted, production of this box car will occur AFTER the gond. They also had lots of tank cars, some of which I could not resist, as well as Bulk-Tainers in kit form. John Heck - Had his usual large selection of AF items with a large range of grades available. Other smaller dealers had some AF items, as well. KLine - Had their newly released S gauge cars on display, as well as the O gauge Big Boy. Taking names & addresses for those interested in the S gauge version. Looking for a production run of 500. Purportedly took 100 names at the convention. I would guess they are looking for some threshold number (e.g. 300), after which the project will be a go. If interested, send an email of interest via their website (sorry, don't have it with me). Lionel - Yes, the announcement of the Mike was the BIG news (see Bill Lane's pics). This will be in a AC/TMCC/Railsounds configuration at a MSRP of about $600 for this initial run. This is definitely a hirail product with the middle two drivers being blind. But, the detail on the castings was very nice. The report that Fred Rouse (SSLS) was seen having serious discussion with the Lionel folks with his Mike chassis in hand is very good news. Like others, I indicated we would be most interested in a DC only version that could be equipped for DCC. They did not seem adverse to this suggestion...time will tell. Portlines Hobbies - Doug Peck was there with his usual array of parts, kits, cars and other miscellaneous goodies. I picked up the new Pine Canyon gas station kit and ordered a Kaslo PS-1 boxcar kit. He also had the new S'nS AF Baldwin motor conversion kits. Putt Trains - Terry had the Rex 0-6-0 and Mogul, looking very nice, as well as the Thomas sets that help get the youngsters interested in trains. I ordered a Mogul kit. River Raisin - Had their latest steam products, as well as the troop cars. Simply gorgeous. Taking orders for the Zephyr sets. R.S.S.V.P. Models - Gerry Rivet had Brach's hoppers (SHS production) and his special cabeese, along with his great sense of humor. S Helper Service - The whole gang was there (sans Robin) with the usual tremendous display of their product line. Don had the engineering samples for the announced Consolidation (2-8-0) steamer. I think this will be one of the finest steam models ever produced in any scale (I might be a tad prejudiced). Also had samples of the new run of reefers and rebuilt box cars, as well as the 2003 Xmas car. This last product should win the Cute Award of the year from their customers. Scenery Unlimited - Don Heimburger had his usual selection of books and mags, as well as the special runs of SHS cars. S/Sn3 Modeling Guide - Richard Bendever was there promoting the resurrection of this S scale mag. I promised him a subscription and a manuscript. For this endeavor to succeed, it will take the support of BOTH S modelers and manufacturers (ie. advertisers). Standard Castings - Earl Tuson (sp?) was there showing off the work on a new boxcar kit. Very nice details. I ordered a set of dry transfers for my PS-1 box kit. S.S.L.S. - Fred and Delores Rouse had the superdetail kits for the AM Pacific, as well as examples of their photo-etched brass Mikado chassis. This should make for a very smooth-running drive train. The Moguls are sold out. Trainstuff LLC - It was very nice to meet Dayna Williamson and her new hubby. They released FOUR new S structure kits at the convention. This S line has expanded rapidly in the last year. I couldn't resist the switch tower kit. Trucks - This is the guy (B. Pazan) who custom builds S scale trucks. They are very nice, but pricey. I picked up another tank truck for my refinery module. Ken Zieska and the Minnesota group had detailed drawings of the SHS-produced ore cars that they are spearheading. Looked very nice. One of my goals for this convention was to pick up some of the old wooden kits from ancient S history, and I was very successful thanks to J. Taylor, J. Heck, and T. Hawley. I think S has an exceptionally great bunch of manufacturers/dealers. Thanks go out to them for all of their hard work and support of our hobby. Clinics - I wasn't able to attend all of them, but those I did were informative and well done. Roy Meissner gave us a thorough historical treatment of truck evolution. Dick Karnes shared his considerable expertise on building turnouts. Bob Gallegos, Jeff Madden, and Dayna Williamson did a good job of covering kitbashing/weathering structures for S. Ken Zieska and John Foley gave us a nice introduction to the world of Digital Command Control. Joe Russ presented some interesting methods for scenery construction, and Terry Harrison gave us a good introduction to the world of model train operation simulating the prototype. Layouts/Tours - The Badgerland and Chicago groups had their modular layouts at the convention site. There was even an all-AF layout that delighted the kids with the various action accessories. The recently finished NASG-sponsored S scale switching layout looked very nice (kudos to J. Foley, J. Bothwell, and D. Heine plus any others I may have missed). Dick Kloes' and Steve Lunde's hirail layouts were very nice. I was especially impressed with Dick's sawmill scene on the upper level. Roy Meissner was running some impressive brass steam locos (cab forward) and has a comprehensive truck collection (no surprise here), as well as a milk bottle collection. I would liked to have seen the Sn3 layout in Madison, but didn't have time. The East Troy Interurban tour was great fun! I don't model traction stuff, but I could definitely see the atTraction of it (heh, heh). We prowled around the car barn for a while and had a great ride on traction equipment with some delicious ice cream at the turn around point. General Business Meeting/Banquet - I will keep this brief, since I suspect a complete report will be published in the Dispatch. The outgoing officers/ BOT members were thanked for their service and the new folks were welcomed aboard by President Roy Hoffman. I was especially gratified to see John Foley recognized for his years of hard work in support of NASG. John has always provided excellent support in supplying my club with promotional literature for distribution at train shows. I was happy to see John continue his S promotional activities as Chair of the Promotions Committee. Much of the discussion centered around promotional activity. The banquet was another good time, meeting and supping with new folks. John Wickland handled the auction, always an entertaining event, for the AF/hirail items, while Jamie Bothwell put on a great show with the NASG/scale items. While the model contest had relatively few entries, those present displayed high quality. I have to say that one of the greatest benefits of attending an event like this one is the collective knowledge available at one location. Some of these modelers have been at it for over 40 years. If you have a particular question or interest, all you have to do is ask. I felt honored to meet and chat with Wally Collins, publisher of the original S Gauge Herald (and now infamous). To rub elbows with Lee Johnson, Dick Karnes, Bob Werre, Alan Evans and other S modelers too numerous to mention, this is a valuable resource. And I got to meet Thorin Marty (Mr. Iowa Traction). For those of you who were sitting on the fence about whether to attend but did not, I would term this convention as a Missed Opportunity. All too soon, it was time to pack for the trip home. I had a great time and want to thank all those in the Badgerland group for their hard work and planning in putting on this convention. I look forward to the next. I traveled by train from home to Milwaukee and back. For those perennial Amtrak bashers, the train was ON TIME coming into Chicago, and 40 min. EARLY coming into New Orleans. 'Till then. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26417	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: AF 2-8-2

In a message dated 7/17/2003 1:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, afmaven@... writes: > I wonder how hard it will be to covert their 2-8-2 Mike to a 2-8-4 > Berkshire? Then change decals? > > That way you folks who are modeling more current eras could run passenger > specials using working steam 1 foot to 1 foot scale engines such as PM 1225 > http://www.mstrp.com/index.html or NP 765. > A USRA Mike and a Berk like Pere Marquette No. 1225 are REALLY different from each other. The Berk is a lot bigger. No can do. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26418	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: switching

> It was interesting to see people simply look > for a moment at trains passing on HO loops and then walk away, but > the switching held their interest. I have observed that a combination of continuous running train(s) plus switching, OR exchanging one continuous train for another maximizes public interest. Mebbe different strokes for different folks? re: closing frog switches and Caboose groundthrows, CAUTION! Some Caboose groundthrows have less throw than is required by closing frog switches. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26419	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 NASG Convention - View From The Hinterlands, Part Deux

Thanx Jay for your most excellent report! It is nice to be able to get the "pulse" of things happening NOW at important events like this, then later down the road....Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay E. Mellon" <jmellon@...> To: <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2003 NASG Convention - View From The Hinterlands, Part Deux > All, > > I will attempt a news summary from the recent NASG convention along the lines of the one I did for the last year's Fall S Fest. I will try not to repeat the items (in great detail) that have received considerable discussion in the last several days, ie. Lionel's announced Mike. As before, this report is not meant to be all inclusive of everything that went on at the convention, but merely the high points from my point of view. > > The following represent updates from various manufacturers/dealers: > > B.T.S. - Bill and Diane were there with a nice selection of structure kits, detail parts, brass GP-30s, and BL-2s. Nice to see Diane looking quite healthy, following her recent auto accident. > DesPlaines Hobbies - Ron and Susan Sebastian had lots of neat stuff. As Bill Lane's pic showed, the USRA gond looked very nice, with lots of detail, especially on the bottom. The boxcar in the rear of Bill's photo interested me a great deal, as it was done in New Orleans Public Belt colors. As Ron has posted, production of this box car will occur AFTER the gond. They also had lots of tank cars, some of which I could not resist, as well as Bulk-Tainers in kit form. > John Heck - Had his usual large selection of AF items with a large range of grades available. Other smaller dealers had some AF items, as well. > KLine - Had their newly released S gauge cars on display, as well as the O gauge Big Boy. Taking names & addresses for those interested in the S gauge version. Looking for a production run of 500. Purportedly took 100 names at the convention. I would guess they are looking for some threshold number (e.g. 300), after which the project will be a go. If interested, send an email of interest via their website (sorry, don't have it with me). > Lionel - Yes, the announcement of the Mike was the BIG news (see Bill Lane's pics). This will be in a AC/TMCC/Railsounds configuration at a MSRP of about $600 for this initial run. This is definitely a hirail product with the middle two drivers being blind. But, the detail on the castings was very nice. The report that Fred Rouse (SSLS) was seen having serious discussion with the Lionel folks with his Mike chassis in hand is very good news. Like others, I indicated we would be most interested in a DC only version that could be equipped for DCC. They did not seem adverse to this suggestion...time will tell. > Portlines Hobbies - Doug Peck was there with his usual array of parts, kits, cars and other miscellaneous goodies. I picked up the new Pine Canyon gas station kit and ordered a Kaslo PS-1 boxcar kit. He also had the new S'nS AF Baldwin motor conversion kits. > Putt Trains - Terry had the Rex 0-6-0 and Mogul, looking very nice, as well as the Thomas sets that help get the youngsters interested in trains. I ordered a Mogul kit. > River Raisin - Had their latest steam products, as well as the troop cars. Simply gorgeous. Taking orders for the Zephyr sets. > R.S.S.V.P. Models - Gerry Rivet had Brach's hoppers (SHS production) and his special cabeese, along with his great sense of humor. > S Helper Service - The whole gang was there (sans Robin) with the usual tremendous display of their product line. Don had the engineering samples for the announced Consolidation (2-8-0) steamer. I think this will be one of the finest steam models ever produced in any scale (I might be a tad prejudiced). Also had samples of the new run of reefers and rebuilt box cars, as well as the 2003 Xmas car. This last product should win the Cute Award of the year from their customers. > Scenery Unlimited - Don Heimburger had his usual selection of books and mags, as well as the special runs of SHS cars. > S/Sn3 Modeling Guide - Richard Bendever was there promoting the resurrection of this S scale mag. I promised him a subscription and a manuscript. For this endeavor to succeed, it will take the support of BOTH S modelers and manufacturers (ie. advertisers). > Standard Castings - Earl Tuson (sp?) was there showing off the work on a new boxcar kit. Very nice details. I ordered a set of dry transfers for my PS-1 box kit. > S.S.L.S. - Fred and Delores Rouse had the superdetail kits for the AM Pacific, as well as examples of their photo-etched brass Mikado chassis. This should make for a very smooth-running drive train. The Moguls are sold out. > Trainstuff LLC - It was very nice to meet Dayna Williamson and her new hubby. They released FOUR new S structure kits at the convention. This S line has expanded rapidly in the last year. I couldn't resist the switch tower kit. > Trucks - This is the guy (B. Pazan) who custom builds S scale trucks. They are very nice, but pricey. I picked up another tank truck for my refinery module. > > Ken Zieska and the Minnesota group had detailed drawings of the SHS-produced ore cars that they are spearheading. Looked very nice. One of my goals for this convention was to pick up some of the old wooden kits from ancient S history, and I was very successful thanks to J. Taylor, J. Heck, and T. Hawley. I think S has an exceptionally great bunch of manufacturers/dealers. Thanks go out to them for all of their hard work and support of our hobby. > > Clinics - I wasn't able to attend all of them, but those I did were informative and well done. Roy Meissner gave us a thorough historical treatment of truck evolution. Dick Karnes shared his considerable expertise on building turnouts. Bob Gallegos, Jeff Madden, and Dayna Williamson did a good job of covering kitbashing/weathering structures for S. Ken Zieska and John Foley gave us a nice introduction to the world of Digital Command Control. Joe Russ presented some interesting methods for scenery construction, and Terry Harrison gave us a good introduction to the world of model train operation simulating the prototype. > > Layouts/Tours - The Badgerland and Chicago groups had their modular layouts at the convention site. There was even an all-AF layout that delighted the kids with the various action accessories. The recently finished NASG-sponsored S scale switching layout looked very nice (kudos to J. Foley, J. Bothwell, and D. Heine plus any others I may have missed). Dick Kloes' and Steve Lunde's hirail layouts were very nice. I was especially impressed with Dick's sawmill scene on the upper level. Roy Meissner was running some impressive brass steam locos (cab forward) and has a comprehensive truck collection (no surprise here), as well as a milk bottle collection. I would liked to have seen the Sn3 layout in Madison, but didn't have time. The East Troy Interurban tour was great fun! I don't model traction stuff, but I could definitely see the atTraction of it (heh, heh). We prowled around the car barn for a while and had a great ride on traction equipment with some delicious ice cream at > > General Business Meeting/Banquet - I will keep this brief, since I suspect a complete report will be published in the Dispatch. The outgoing officers/ BOT members were thanked for their service and the new folks were welcomed aboard by President Roy Hoffman. I was especially gratified to see John Foley recognized for his years of hard work in support of NASG. John has always provided excellent support in supplying my club with promotional literature for distribution at train shows. I was happy to see John continue his S promotional activities as Chair of the Promotions Committee. Much of the discussion centered around promotional activity. The banquet was another good time, meeting and supping with new folks. John Wickland handled the auction, always an entertaining event, for the AF/hirail items, while Jamie Bothwell put on a great show with the NASG/scale items. While the model contest had relatively few entries, those present displayed high quality. > > I have to say that one of the greatest benefits of attending an event like this one is the collective knowledge available at one location. Some of these modelers have been at it for over 40 years. If you have a particular question or interest, all you have to do is ask. I felt honored to meet and chat with Wally Collins, publisher of the original S Gauge Herald (and now infamous). To rub elbows with Lee Johnson, Dick Karnes, Bob Werre, Alan Evans and other S modelers too numerous to mention, this is a valuable resource. And I got to meet Thorin Marty (Mr. Iowa Traction). For those of you who were sitting on the fence about whether to attend but did not, I would term this convention as a Missed Opportunity. > > All too soon, it was time to pack for the trip home. I had a great time and want to thank all those in the Badgerland group for their hard work and planning in putting on this convention. I look forward to the next. I traveled by train from home to Milwaukee and back. For those perennial Amtrak bashers, the train was ON TIME coming into Chicago, and 40 min. EARLY coming into New Orleans. 'Till then. > > 'S'incerely, > Jay Mellon > New Orleans, LA > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26420	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/17/2003
Subject: Gilbert Diesel can motors

Just posting this again for those that missed it. The last needed parts for the second generation can motor replacement in Diesels finally arrived from the machine shop. We are having a 30 day introductory special. It will end August 15th.  The regular price of $99.95 Plus shipping for single motor units will be $89 plus $6 shipping. Dual motor units will be $129 plus $6 shipping. The prices will revert to $99.95 and $139.95 respectively on August 15. Prices include installation of a Dallee #400 electronic reverse unit. We will honor all orders postmarked by August 15.  The prices do not include bushing of the trucks. We will bush the trucks as needed for $19.95 each. We still offer a trade in credit for motor/reverse unit components that can be refurbished and that you do not need/want back. This is not a "kit" project. You need to send your chassis/trucks to us and we do the installation (included in price). This is a very nice installation. Try it, You'll like it. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26421	From: jayhoo64	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: Recent questions answered by earlier posts

Scott Holm wrote: >Bob Bubek's original post explained all the information about the >Lionel steam engine, the configuration, prices, number of cars (4), >type of cars (streamliners), ...etc: Maybe I missed it, but Bob's post wasn't specific about whether or not the CARS would be made from Gilbert's old tooling or new tooling. It was obvious the loco is totally new. Wassa story on that, Bob? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26422	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: New B&O 2-8-2 and pass cars

If one looks at most of the B&O pictures from the 50's including the recent issues of Classic Trains/Trains commemorating the B&O's 175th, rarely does one find a Mikado pulling the consist. It seems to me that the pictures mostly depict a unique looking Pacific with the headlight mounted atop of the smoke box and center mounted bell(i.e. distintive from the U.S.R.A. type Pacific). Any feedback from out there? Actually, I am looking for a model of the proto B&O Pacific. Also, I assume that the new Lionel cars will be from the old mold (non scale size) unless someone who attended the NASG conference knows differently. Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26423	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: B&O "Wagon top" Caboose

Does anyone know if any manufacturer produced (or intends to produce) one of these beauties? I remember seeing many of them from the windows of the B&O's National Limited between N.Y.C. and Baltimore when I was a kid(my grandfather was a Pullman conductor). Manufacturing (of a model) them would be a great tribute to this 175th year! BTW....suggest any of you who are interested go the the B&O's train museum(Baltimore, MD) site and see the great progress being made in restoring the old Montclair Shop roundhouse which was mostly distroyed last Feb by snow! Cheers, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26424	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Painting over chrome

A 360 series type shell I have is chromed. It is a bit nicked and scuffed and I am wondering if I could just kinda sand the chrome a bit with 220 grit paper or scotchbrite to get a good adhesion for a gray or red enamel spray primer (which I have a lot of) and then place a enamel spray topcoat. I am kind of leary though, my last episode with painting a handcar with a enamel primer basecoat raised the black plastic up and it wrinkled something awful. But after a week the plastic settled down and was no longer 'tacky' and I was able to sand it again with 180/220/400 grit paper and applied a coat of enamel primer and a finish coat and it did not lift or wrinkle. So maybe some patience is the key when working with enamel paints upon a bare diesel shell. Actually, the job on the handcar turned out quite well after the initial hair raising plastic softening and wrinkling, the shell seemed none the worse for the wear after allowing a week to set and the primed enamel surface hardened up again and would gladly accept enamel primer and paint with no more wrinkling or lifting of the surface. Kind of like it worked the wrinkling out of its system and settled down to accept enamel spray paint almost gladly! I do not think the enamel paint is capable of lifting the chrome, I am just concerned with the exposed nicked plastic lifting, then being sanded, then lifting again because I rubbed off more of the chrome around the sanding repair spot.....kind of an endless loop until all the chrome has been sanded away from the shell!!! I want to do this with enamel spray paint because I have so much of it laying around. Any ideas? Thanks, mikey. It's fun to experiment, my Nephews keep me young!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26425	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Bit of trouble at S-Scale.org and S-Trains photo Albums

My hosting company rebuilt my server and restored all my files with a backup that was about a week old (about 7/11). If you have uploaded any photos to any of the (non-Yahoo) S-Trains/S-Scale albums please check to make sure they are still there. Lots of people really enjoy the photo album. Thanks to all that participate. The 'New Steam' poll also got wiped out. Oh well. It looked like lots of folks were in a wait and see mode. I re-started that poll. If you upload some convention pictures please give us a heads up. If you have questions please direct them to me. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26426	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: Recent questions answered by earlier posts

From the illustrations shown on Lionel's catalog website, they appear to be streamlined AF passenger cars w/ a B&O paint scheme. There is a new baggage with double doors that had not previously been manufactured. The availability of this new car opens up the possibility of baggage cars being offered for all previously released L-AF passenger sets. If Lionel was planning to re-issueing the classic Gilbert heavyweight Pullman cars, it would be huge news that would almost be as big as the new steamer! Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@y...> wrote: > Scott Holm wrote: > > >Bob Bubek's original post explained all the information about the > >Lionel steam engine, the configuration, prices, number of cars (4), > >type of cars (streamliners), ...etc: > > > Maybe I missed it, but Bob's post wasn't specific about whether or > not the CARS would be made from Gilbert's old tooling or new tooling. > It was obvious the loco is totally new. > > Wassa story on that, Bob? > > Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26427	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1947

The Lionel passenger cas for the NYC appeared to be reruns of the 960s John Griffin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26428	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: Recent questions answered by earlier posts

In a message dated 7/18/2003 4:56:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jayhoo64@... writes: > Maybe I missed it, but Bob's post wasn't specific about whether or > not the CARS would be made from Gilbert's old tooling or new tooling. > It was obvious the loco is totally new. > > Wassa story on that, Bob? > The cars in the B&O Mikado set are AF streamliners (combination, two coaches, and an observation) made from the tooling that they have been using. There is also a 2-car add-on with a diner and a (full 2 door on each side) baggage car. The baggage car is molded from tooling with a new insert. The tooling for the cars is (and has been since Gilbert's days) modular. Personally, I find the cars useful to mate with my B&O ABA ALCos from the early 1980s. Hope this helps. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26429	From: rettram	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: question

Hello is the S-scale train bigger than the HO-scale? Greeting Marvin and look is at; http://www.ov-digitaal.tk/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26430	From: knockbill	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: painting chrome

Hi, I have found that painting the old plastic, is based on what the plastic is made of,,, I've tried to paint a old flyer caboose, to go with my long string of IC reefers... I tried the enamel primer with the same results you described, I tried sandable primer (lacquer???), which almost melted the plastic completely... The best results I found, was to use hobby shop model paints for plastic,,, I've had it work with & without primer,, However, the plastic compatable primers will let you use SOME of the other paints over them with out melting anything... The best results come from making a small test paint spot inside the car, to see if it reacts with the plastic... The plastics were in a new & experimental stage after the war, and it would be wise to try a small test on each piece, as the manufacturers used different plastics as the were available...... Hope this helps some, Remember what Mr Robinson told Ben in "The Graduate"??? John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26431	From: starr007	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: 342 S.I.T. engine

Does anyone out there have any parts for a 1947 0-8-0 342 S.I.T engine? I need a complete tender including the smoke unit, or any tender parts you might have. I need a boiler front without the headlight attached as the headlight bracket is attached to the chassis in this engine. I also need the mounting plate for the reverse unit in the boiler as it is different from other boiler reverse units. It is not as wide as the regular mounting plate and should have only 2 screw holes that run parallel with the reverse unit, I believe. I would be interested in any help or parts anyone might have! Thanks, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26432	From: aglorince	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: train show, pittsburgh, pa

greenberg train show is at monroeville expo mart (10 miles east of pittsburgh, pa) hours 10-4 sat 7-19 and sun 7-20. pa turnpike exit 6 (58). buisness rt us 22 west two miles. i'll have my AM there. andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26433	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: question

Sizes in order.... N HO OO S O G....N IS A LITTLE LARGER THAN 1/16" SCALE.....HO IS CLOSE TO 1/8" SCALE....S IS 3/16" SCALE....O IS AROUND 1/4" SCALE.....G IS AROUND 1/2" bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "rettram" <rettram1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] question > Hello > > is the S-scale train bigger than the HO-scale? > > Greeting Marvin > > and look is at; > http://www.ov-digitaal.tk/ > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26434	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: HO OFF TOPIC

Anybody notice...lionel is also going back to HO !!!! Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26435	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: Painting over chrome

Mikey, Just because you have it laying around is NOT a good reason to use the wrong paint on your AF! There are loads of details molded on the PA body that you will loose trying to clean up the paint-wrinkled plastic. You should first try to strip the chrome off the shell. I understand that plain easy-off oven cleaner does the trick without destroying the plastic, BUT I have NOT tried it myself yet! This CHEAP! guy (me!) says to bite the bullet, and buy the correct modelling paint for your Alco, you will be glad you did. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26436	From: Al Reibel	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: HO OFF TOPIC

robert allen conner wrote: >Anybody notice...lionel is also going back to HO !!!! Bob Conner > > Yes, but did you notice the price!?! $700 for a die cast locomotive is too rich for my blood! > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26437	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: painting over chrome

If you want to repaint a chrome body, you are much better off removing the chrome before repainting. It is easy to do. Just soak the body overnight in a strong solution of Mr Clean or similar detergent, which will soften the undercoat to the chrome. Then brush off the underpaint and chrome with a scrub brush and rinse carefully. You will be left with the plastic surface, clean and ready to paint. A primer is not necessary -- it will just obscure cast in details. The chrome finish is very fragile, which is why Gilbert soon stopped using it, and if you try to paint over it, it will wrinkle and flake off, taking your paint with it. Testors paints will not attack the plastic in AF bodies. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26438	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: HO OFF TOPIC

but...will they put lionel or Gilbert on it?...I never noticed the price....The only HO I get is Gilbert stuff....where can I see pics of the new sets....Just waiting for the best prices on the lionel set and k-line "s"...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Reibel" <areibel@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO OFF TOPIC > > > robert allen conner wrote: > > >Anybody notice...lionel is also going back to HO !!!! Bob Conner > > > > > Yes, but did you notice the price!?! > $700 for a die cast locomotive is too rich for my blood! > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26439	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 20, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26440	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: painting over chrome

Hi Tom....I have had Testors Flat Black attack(soften) the plastic on a 944 cab shell in the past just so you are aware. I don't know if they have changed the formula but that was in the 80's I had that happen. I really like the Floquil "PolyScale" line of paints for plastics and Badger's "Model Flex" line is excellent to brush on with little or no brush lines. With plastic models I usually use Testors Silver or Gold spray paint as a "primer" . Just a quick dusting for coverage as it does go on really THICK if your not paying attention. It gives a great surface to put colours like red, yellow , etc on. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] painting over chrome > If you want to repaint a chrome body, you are much better off removing the > chrome before repainting. It is easy to do. Just soak the body overnight > in a strong solution of Mr Clean or similar detergent, which will soften > the undercoat to the chrome. Then brush off the underpaint and chrome with > a scrub brush and rinse carefully. You will be left with the plastic > surface, clean and ready to paint. A primer is not necessary -- it will > just obscure cast in details. > > The chrome finish is very fragile, which is why Gilbert soon stopped using > it, and if you try to paint over it, it will wrinkle and flake off, taking > your paint with it. > > Testors paints will not attack the plastic in AF bodies. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26441	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/18/2003
Subject: Re: HO OFF TOPIC

Hello gang! I couldn't help but notice the price of this engine, I could be wrong but I think this price is even higher than the TRIX HO Big Boy was when it first came out, and it was all metal as well. I guess I should have bought some shares in LIONEL stocks, instead of a pension plan ;^) Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "Al Reibel" <areibel@...> Cc: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO OFF TOPIC > but...will they put lionel or Gilbert on it?...I never noticed the > price....The only HO I get is Gilbert stuff....where can I see pics of the > new sets....Just waiting for the best prices on the lionel set and k-line > "s"...Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Reibel" <areibel@...> > Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO OFF TOPIC > > > > > > > > robert allen conner wrote: > > > > >Anybody notice...lionel is also going back to HO !!!! Bob Conner > > > > > > > > Yes, but did you notice the price!?! > > $700 for a die cast locomotive is too rich for my blood! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26442	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Lionel Mikado catalog page with pictures...

Here, posted on the All Aboard Sets Club, is a link to the 2003 Lionel catalog that shows the streamer with pictures... the new Lionel AF Fall 2004 offerings are at http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=2&PageID=54 -- Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26443	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado catalog page with pictures...

**(((Here, posted on the All Aboard Sets Club, is a link to the 2003 Lionel catalog that shows the streamer with pictures...the new Lionel AF Fall 2004 offerings are at http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=2&PageID=54 )))**** How's come it says,.."Gauge: O" "Minimum Radius: S Gauge" What the heck does THAT mean?????????? signed, Puzzled. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26444	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado catalog page with pictures...

Same question was asked earlier on this list, it was asked of Lionel, and they answered that the Mikado was S gauge and not O gauge, independent of what the catalogue said. So now what? Rance Velapoldi Rick Evans wrote: >**(((Here, posted on the All Aboard Sets Club, is a link to the 2003 Lionel >catalog that shows the streamer with pictures...the new Lionel AF Fall 2004 offerings are at >http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=2&PageID=54 )))**** > > >How's come it says,.."Gauge: O" > "Minimum Radius: S Gauge" > > >What the heck does THAT mean?????????? > > >signed, >Puzzled. > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26445	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Tanker car consist

I've been running a tanker car consist this morning,....two Gulf 926's, two Gulf 925's, a Mobil 958, and my new K-line Hooker tanker. The link will take ya to a photo of the K-Line triple dome tanker between two Gulf triple dome cars. I should be out mowing the lawns though!! Rick. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album31&id=AF_GUlf_tankers_with_K_Line_Hooker_tanker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26446	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Tanker car consist

Rick Too hot, too Humid to be outside , stay inside, play with trains and avoid heat exhaustion or worse! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26447	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Wiring the 600 Crossing Gate

Using google, etc... I couldn't find a link to this. Anyone happen to know where it is posted? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26448	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: The movie "High Noon"

The train in the old movie "High Noon", was lettered the "SIERRA RAILWAY"....and the one scene sure seemed out in the boonies! Anyone know what train was used and where the train parts of the movie were filmed?? Thanks, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26449	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Tanker car consist

Rick...the tanker looks fine....But for some reason the trucks seem small compared to our old Flyer diecast ones.......Nice layout..Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Tanker car consist > I've been running a tanker car consist this morning,....two Gulf 926's, two Gulf 925's, a Mobil 958, and my new K-line Hooker tanker. The link will take ya to a photo of the K-Line triple dome tanker between two Gulf triple dome cars. > I should be out mowing the lawns though!! > > Rick. > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album31&id= AF_GUlf_tankers_with_K_Line_Hooker_tanker > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26450	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado catalog page with pictures...

Lionel wrote: "If the website says O gauge, it is a misprint. American Flyer is s gauge. Thank you " >>>>>> <myflyertrains@...> 07/14/03 11:40AM >>> >>> >>> E-mail from Website 14-Jul-03 10:40 AM Name: Chuck Harrington Email: myflyertrains@... Comments: In your "Features Tab" of the 6-48036 American Flyer USRA Light Mikado Steam Locomotive on your web site. Near the bottom it says "Gauge: O" Is this a misprint. Is this not actually S gauge, or does it just run on S gauge track? Thanks in Advance! Rick Evans wrote: >How's come it says,.."Gauge: O" > "Minimum Radius: S Gauge" > > >What the heck does THAT mean?????????? > > >signed, >Puzzled. > > > > Web Site - http://myflyertrains.org email - myflyertrains@... 25+ Years of high resolution scans of Gilbert catalogs online! Kris Model Trains & The All Aboard Sets Club!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26451	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring the 600 Crossing Gate

Micheal, Here is a wiring diagram. http://tuveson.webmage.com/600wiring.jpg Carl -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lueck [mailto:pianoman@...] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:08 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring the 600 Crossing Gate Using google, etc... I couldn't find a link to this. Anyone happen to know where it is posted? Thanks! Michael S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26452	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring the 600 Crossing Gate

Michel Here ia another using a 697 trip. http://tuveson.webmage.com/600bwiring.jpg Carl -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lueck [mailto:pianoman@...] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:08 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring the 600 Crossing Gate Using google, etc... I couldn't find a link to this. Anyone happen to know where it is posted? Thanks! Michael S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26453	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: painting over chrome

In the 1980's, I repainted a 944 crane body with Testor's flat black with no problems. Perhaps some other substance was on your crane body or got mixed in with the paint you used. One additional note: sanding is generally a poor method of removing Flyer finishes, which are not that sturdy. It's like using a steam hammer to crack an egg. Better to strip with detergent, brake fluid, or paint remover for plastics. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26454	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring the 600 Crossing Gate

Thanks Carl! Exactly what I was looking for. I had visited your site looking for it, just didn't happen to see a link to it. So that 670 is part of it, I'll have to go back for it. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26455	From: J Carnes	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Lionel Mikado - voltage

Does anyone know the max voltage that can be applied to Lionel engines? Would 18-19 volts fry the boards inside the new Mikado?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26456	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado - voltage

14-18 volts is the normal working voltage for TMCC. Carl -----Original Message----- From: J Carnes [mailto:jtctrain@...] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:55 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Mikado - voltage Does anyone know the max voltage that can be applied to Lionel engines? Would 18-19 volts fry the boards inside the new Mikado? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26457	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Lionel Mikado issue

Bente and Rance wrote: > Hi All: > Anyone have any idea how close the 2-8-2 Mikado that Lionel will be > issuing for NYC and B&O is to an ATSF Mikado? ATSF had at least 5 classes of Mikados. Which one are you referring to? Bob Jackson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26458	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado - voltage

In a message dated 07/19/2003 7:55:24 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jtctrain@... writes: > Does anyone know the max voltage that can be applied to Lionel engines? > Would 18-19 volts fry the boards inside the new Mikado? > Since the Lionel powerhouse transformers (ZW etc.) are rated at 20v AC it is likely that the Mikado will handle that amount. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26459	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Re: The movie "High Noon"

on 7/19/03 2:22 PM, Rick Evans at bassflyer@... wrote: > The train in the old movie "High Noon", was lettered the "SIERRA > RAILWAY"....and > the one scene sure seemed out in the boonies! Anyone know what train was used > and where the train parts of the movie were filmed?? The train scenes of "High Noon" were filmed on the Sierra Railroad at Warnerville which is east of Oakdale, CA, and is accessible via a dirt/gravel road. For the time frame of the movie, the Sierra Railway was the proper name for what is now the Sierra Railroad. Freight and passenger trains (Dinner Train) still operate past Warnerville. Check out the following web site. http://www.sierrarailroad.com/ Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26460	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/19/2003
Subject: Might not make Chat--family crisis

Hi all, Thought I'd post this here, as I consider most of you "family." Linda's Father passed away this week, we just found him in his house today. So we have many details to deal with, so I might not be around for chat. Y'all have a great chat, and we'll "see" you soon. S' David & Linda Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26461	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Sluggish diesel motors, lazy Alco's

Ever looking to improve performance of my AF diesels, I tried to figure out why some of them had problems overheating and 'sputtering' while negotiating curves. Upon closer inspection, I find the original factory A.C.G 'rainbow' wire to be the culprit. Seems the plastic coating of the wire in the vicinity of the commutator and brushes was 'heat/age and use hardened and was actually stiff enough to cause the brushes to lift a bit off the commutator and create a overheating of the motor and overall poor performance, and was most noticable when the power trucks were negotiating curves in the rails. My solution was to get maconrad steam locomotive harnesses from ebay and replace the old AF rainbow wire in its entirity from the motor/through the chassis/and on into the 'e' switch. This really improved the performance of the diesel motors, especially in the 360 Alco dual motor series where one sluggish engine really throws a wrench in the operation of the Alco. Maconrad is great to deal with and produces a fine wire harness in various configurations, look him up on ebay as maconrad in 'American Flyer S guage' listings for retro/repro and cloth covered locomotive wire harness. I am very happy with the quality of his workmanship! Hope this helps get that old Alco/Geep purring!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26462	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Linda's father Passed Away

I am sending this to everyone in my address book, so if it doesn't concern you, my apologies. Linda's Dad passed way this past week. He was almost 91, his Birthday would have been on the 28th. We will probably be very busy making arangements and closing the house for a while. He was fortunate in that he was still living at home, and not even taking any medications. He appears to have just died while making his lunch. We don't have exact times yet for the service, probably this coming Saturday, or the following one, in Grass Valley. David & Linda Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26463	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: MTH COAL LOADER

Anyone wanting a brand new MTH COAL LOADER FOR $100.00 shipping & ins. included please contact me off list. It is listed on E-BAY for $100 plus $8.00 shipping. I will pay the shipping for anyone on the list. Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26464	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: TRAINS FOR SALE AD

I have listed on E-BAY a few of the trains that I'm selling. First to go is the LTI stuff. If you want to see them before they hit E-Bays main page go to search then by seller & type in anormal1@... It will show everything I have listed . Thank You for your time, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26465	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 20, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26466	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1949

In a message dated 7/20/03 5:11:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:43:14 -0700 > From: Lee Johnson <leemax@...> > Subject: Re: The movie "High Noon Lee, Thanks for the link to the webpage. It's great to see how many movies, TV shows one has watched with this one railroad featured. I swear the picture on the home page looks like Hooterville from Petticoat Junction, one of my favorites. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26467	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1949

Carlton, That's because Hooterville Tank was the Sierra Railroad's station tank! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26468	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1949

on 7/20/03 5:15 PM, Crpntr12449@... at Crpntr12449@... wrote: > I swear the picture > on the home page looks like Hooterville from Petticoat Junction, one of my > favorites. The scenes of the water tank on Petticoat Junction were filmed on the Sierra Railroad at Jamestown, CA. The water tank used for that filming (which did not have a roof) was recently replaced by a new water tank (with a roof as the original tank originally had) due to the poor condition of the original water tank. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26469	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1949

David & others anyone ever see the movie where a young kid (23 yrs old) Buys the train line from SF to Yosemite? It's done in documentary style filming. Mike S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26470	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine - Why Does Lionel WebSite Say O Gauge

If you go to the website below, you'll see that in the "Features" box, the engine is describe as having a "Minimum Radius" of "S gauge" but the "Gauge" is listed as "O Gauge". Typo? Attempt to product an S/O product? Inattention to detail? Most confusing way to initiate a foray into the S market. > > www.lionel.com/Products/ProductNavigator/getproduct.cfm?ProductNumber=6-48036&CategoryLevel=1&CategoryRelated=382&CategoryID=382 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26471	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: New B&O 2-8-2 and pass cars

Most of the freight train/consist pics I've seen have them being pulled by anything but Pacifics. Pacifics seemed to have been used almost exclusively in passenger service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26472	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado Steam Engine - Why Does Lionel WebSite Say O Gauge

***(((If you go to the website below, you'll see that in the "Features" box, the engine is describe as having a "Minimum Radius" of "S gauge" but the "Gauge" is listed as "O Gauge". Typo? Attempt to product an S/O product? Inattention to detail?))))**** Yep.....it's been posted that Lionel says that it is a mistake at the website. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26473	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: painting over chrome

Hi Tom.....Could be, I can't really remember mixing the the Testors flat black with anything as I just used it right out of a spray can. I don't beleive I stripping the shell before hand but if I did I would have used brake fluid as that's what I've been using since 1974. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] painting over chrome > In the 1980's, I repainted a 944 crane body with Testor's flat black with > no problems. Perhaps some other substance was on your crane body or got > mixed in with the paint you used. > > One additional note: sanding is generally a poor method of removing Flyer > finishes, which are not that sturdy. It's like using a steam hammer to > crack an egg. Better to strip with detergent, brake fluid, or paint > remover for plastics. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26474	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/20/2003
Subject: Re: painting over chrome

I keep hearing about brake fluid as a striipper. I have tried it, and yes, it does strip, but then I can't seem to get rid of the smell, which tells me it is into the pores of the plastic, and I believe will have negative long-term effects on the plastic--or the paint that is put over it. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26475	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado catalog page with pictures...

Hey!! A lot of you got your wish. It is a LIGHT 2-8-2. WOW Thank you Larry Jackman On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 11:09 AM, Chuck Harrington wrote: > Here, posted on the All Aboard Sets Club, is a link to the 2003 Lionel > catalog that shows the streamer with pictures... > > the new Lionel AF Fall 2004 offerings are at > http://www.lionel.com/Products/Catalogs/ > Catalog.cfm?CatalogID=2&PageID=54 > > --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26476	From: Tim	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Find the flaws

Hi all, I just completed re-building my toy train layout. I chose to specialize in what I consider the American Flyer link period: 1946-53. Some sources I've seen list 1952 as the conclusion of the link period. However, if you go to Chuck Harrington's web site and look at the 1953 catalog, you can find two action cars listed for sale with link couplers. Co-incidentally, that is the same year the orange trestle made it's debut. You can see my interpretation of what I feel an American Flyer link era toy train layout could have looked like in 1953 at this web site: http://home.att.net/~timboy/Link.html Here's the challenge: find the flaws. I'm sure there are some. Please let me know off list or post your observations to the list. Have fun! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26477	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1950

To remove chrome plating from plastic. I have used oven cleaner with good results, be careful, it can damage the plastic if left for a long period. spray it on, let it work for a short time (10 min +/- ) wash it off, you may have to repeat. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26478	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Tractors

Here is a resource for you guys wanting to find the correct tractors for your era. Remember that tractors were kept in use for MANY years. http://www.antiquetractorsonline.com/ ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26479	From: David	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Huge Auction Coming Up.....

Found this on TCA web page. Last of the R. Kughn collection going on auction in several parts. TONS of trains, lots of nice AF-S, some unique items. http://www.rmauctions.com/events/M103.cfm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26480	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Help

Hi Folks If they fellow who won the MRC Prodigy DCC system At my clinic during the convention, please contact me at john.foley16@... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26481	From: Hall G	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??

Old American Flyer train ???repairs?? I was given a couple of old American Flyer train sets, "were in the attic for 30 years since last used" was what I was told. They are pretty beat up damaged and scratched up. I am not into AF S myself so am trying to get them running to give to a poor family that has a 4 year old Thomas fan and train nut! The engines are a #290 4-6-2 4 wire connection and a # 302 5 wire connection. I have been doing some research on the internet and found at www.portlines.com some info. on the smoke box and wiring diagrams to repair the broken and frayed wires on the engines. What else would I need to do? The reverse units do not look to bad! The drivers look OK. What do I need to do to get these running? And will these work with a regular Lionel transformer?? The only thing in the tender is the reverse units so I am guessing the only thing I need to worry about is new tender to engine wiring, wick bulbs and a cleaning lub to get this going? Any tips further websites would be welcome! Sets were given to me and I am giving them to a family that would appretiate them so just want them to work OK! Not interested in trading or selling. Thanks for any tips! Gordon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26482	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: painting over chrome

Whenever you use a paint stripper on plastic, you have to wash it off with repeated applications of detergent and brushing, scrubbing, soaking and rinsing. Soaking overnight in a final rinse water is a good idea. David was right -- the plastic is porous. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26483	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Find the flaws

Hi Tim! What Flaws?????? You got a great looking train layout, and your stuff isn't just sittin' on the shelf and looks like your doing a bang up job on restoring your trains and their RUNNING!!!! Gotta Go Run MY trains NOW! Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <timboy@...> To: "S-List" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Find the flaws > Hi all, > > I just completed re-building my toy train layout. I chose to specialize in what I consider the American Flyer link period: 1946-53. Some sources I've seen list 1952 as the conclusion of the link period. However, if you go to Chuck Harrington's web site and look at the 1953 catalog, you can find two action cars listed for sale with link couplers. Co-incidentally, that is the same year the orange trestle made it's debut. You can see my interpretation of what I feel an American Flyer link era toy train layout could have looked like in 1953 at this web site: > http://home.att.net/~timboy/Link.html > > Here's the challenge: find the flaws. I'm sure there are some. Please let me know off list or post your observations to the list. Have fun! > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26484	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1950

Hi Jerry! I've had real good results with the stuff in the hand pump bottle,but I have heard one can melt plastic if using oven cleaner from a aeresol spray can. Any more info Jerry on which one you use or have you used both? Thanx Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1950 > > To remove chrome plating from plastic. I have used oven cleaner with good > results, be careful, it can damage the plastic if left for a long period. > spray it on, let it work for a short time (10 min +/- ) wash it off, you > may have to repeat. > > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26485	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Link Period....

***(((Some sources I've seen list 1952 as the conclusion of the link period. However, if you go to Chuck Harrington's web site and look at the 1953 catalog, you can find two action cars listed for sale with link couplers.))*** Yep,...I am here to say that I have the '53 catalog,...and more importantly, I have a set from '53 with link couplers. The "MOUNTAINEER" passenger set,...with a 282 loco, 651 baggage, two 655's, and a 652 "PIKES PEAK" Pullman,..as seen on page 10 & 11 in the '53 catalog. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26486	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??

Hey Gordon....Yes they should work with a Lionel AC transformer. Until you hook up some AF track or test leads to these engines , you won't really know where you stand with these engines. Their will be lots of guys who can get you more info from this list if needed...Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hall G" <gh3716@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Old American Flyer train ???repairs?? > Old American Flyer train ???repairs?? > > I was given a couple of old American Flyer train sets, > "were in the attic for 30 years since last used" was > what I was told. > They are pretty beat up damaged and scratched up. > I am not into AF S myself so am trying to get them > running to give to a poor family that has a 4 year old > Thomas fan and train nut! > > The engines are a #290 4-6-2 4 wire connection and a # > 302 5 wire connection. > I have been doing some research on the internet and > found at www.portlines.com some info. on the smoke box > and wiring diagrams to repair the broken and frayed > wires on the engines. > > What else would I need to do? > The reverse units do not look to bad! > The drivers look OK. > What do I need to do to get these running? > > And will these work with a regular Lionel > transformer?? > The only thing in the tender is the reverse units so I > am guessing the only thing I need to worry about is > new tender to engine wiring, wick bulbs and a cleaning > lub to get this going? > > Any tips further websites would be welcome! > > Sets were given to me and I am giving them to a family > that would appretiate them so just want them to work > OK! Not interested in trading or selling. > Thanks for any tips! > Gordon > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26487	From: Edward G.	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??

Giving kids trains is great ..BUT ...Dont give kids 4 yrs old AF trains that they will destroy .....no 4 yr old is capable of appreciating AF....If you want to start them out with a plastic disposable thing do so by all means but dont make us all cringe thinking about another AF heading for the local landfill due to being handed out as a TOY.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26488	From: Dennis Back	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??

--- "Edward G." wrote: > ...Dont give kids > 4 yrs old AF > trains that they will destroy .....no 4 yr old is > capable of > appreciating AF.... HUH?????? I got my Flyer 322 engine and set when I was 6 months old. 52 years later they still look and work great. I was taught at an early age that those train "toys" were something special. They STILL are. Regards, Dennis Miami __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26489	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??

***(((I got my Flyer 322 engine and set when I was 6 months old. 52 years later they still look and work great. I was taught at an early age that those train "toys" were something special. They STILL are.)))**** But Dennis,.....How old were ya when ya first got to play with it??? :^) Just yankin' yer chain!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26490	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:09:33 -0700 (PDT), Dennis Back wrote: >I got my Flyer 322 engine and set when I was 6 months >old. 52 years later they still look and work great. I >was taught at an early age that those train "toys" >were something special. They STILL are. EXACTLY! It's called spending time with your children. AF can work with any age so long as you are willing to comit the time to make it a success. Personally I will start my children out running some 300's (and a 302 if I keep it) which I got this past weekend. Eventually they will graduate into 312, 322, 332, 342 class engines. Yes even the M&StL in the yard and the Lionel 2-8-2 someday. Spend the time now - it will create great memories that will last a lifetime! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26491	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Flaws

There ain't none!! This is a well thought out layout that meets it objectives, particularly in view of the space constraints. Attaboy!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26492	From: Tim	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Find the flaws

Hi all, My brother pointed out to me that there should only be 48 stars in the American flags I have flying on my 1953 layout! What an eye! :) :) Tim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26493	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??

Yes. It helps to spray the drums of the reverse units with TV tuner contact cleaner from Radio Shack or equiv. You should probably disassemble the motors, and clean out the brush tubes; possibly replace the brushes and brush springs. You should probably clean the commutators with 400 and 600 sandpaper on a flat wooden block with a hole drilled in the block to clear the end of the armature shaft. That will keep the surfaces straight and true. You may have to replace the engine-tender harness wires, or they may be OK. If you solder wires to the reverse unit finger boards, place a small piece of thin card stock between the fingers and drum to keep soldering heat from melting the drum.You may have to replace the smoke unit wicks and coils, or they may be ok. You may have to replace the insulated bushings around the tender truck rivets, which means replacing the rivets too. . This is a chore best avoided, but if the bushings are shot the tender rocks from side to side too much and triggers the reverse unit. Lubricate front and rear armature bearings, and all axle bearings, with fine oil in a leedle tip oiler. Clean the tops of the rails with a track eraser. Check the track for straightness by placing it on a flat surface such as a glass table. Replace or repair any bent track. Clean all the metal wheels that pick up current too. If any further questions arise, ask them here! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26494	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??

I have to disagree with this statement! I started with my son when he was two years old and my American Flyer that I received as a Christmas present in 1964. I have since purchased many others and he is now at the age of four and we are still enjoying our Flyers together. He has several that we consider to be "his" and he is very careful and has sent none of them to the landfill. I have some memories that are much more valuable than any 336 even if he was able to destroy it. gary on 7/21/03 6:53 PM, Edward G. at am-flyr@... wrote: > Giving kids trains is great ..BUT ...Dont give kids 4 yrs old AF > trains that they will destroy .....no 4 yr old is capable of > appreciating AF....If you want to start them out with a plastic > disposable thing do so by all means but dont make us all cringe > thinking about another AF heading for the local landfill due to > being handed out as a TOY..... > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26495	From: G Nichol	Date: 7/21/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??

This is exactly what my Dad did with me and my brothers. He had some of the more modern/rougher condition stuff (Lionel but....) up on the layout and the nicer stuff on shelves. We spent hours and hours up there running, cleaning, wiring, listening to the Oldies, etc... Granted, we did sneak the Canadian Pacific set up there once and while but what my brothers and I have now are hordes of memories! I'll never forget seeing the 700E on the attic steps wrapped in newspaper ready to be sold to a guy from Syracuse. Why sell it? To put his oldest son through a few semesters of college. What a guy! And, a few years ago, my Mom tracked down the guy who bought it. She bought it back for my Dad. What a lady!!! Enjoy your trains and family while you can all! Greg NicksTrains.com >From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> >To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs?? >Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:22:38 -0400 > >On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:09:33 -0700 (PDT), Dennis Back wrote: > > >I got my Flyer 322 engine and set when I was 6 months > >old. 52 years later they still look and work great. I > >was taught at an early age that those train "toys" > >were something special. They STILL are. > >EXACTLY! It's called spending time with your children. AF can work with any >age >so long as you are willing to comit the time to make it a success. > >Personally I will start my children out running some 300's (and a 302 if I >keep >it) which I got this past weekend. Eventually they will graduate into 312, >322, >332, 342 class engines. Yes even the M&StL in the yard and the Lionel 2-8-2 >someday. > >Spend the time now - it will create great memories that will last a >lifetime! > >Michael > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26496	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Find the Flaw

I found a flaw! A BIG flaw!!! It isn't in my home. ;o) Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26497	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??

I have to agree with your disagreement (or something like that). I let my kids and their friends play with whatever I have on the layout. I just watch them closely, and hope for the best. To me, nothing is more precious than my two and a half year old picking up the cows from the stockyard and saying moo. He has a couple cars that he calls his own (a pike-master tank and a caboose), and my 5 year old has a Casey Jones engine we got when he was almost 4. We "custom" painted it together, so he really thinks of it as his own. He also helps me out when I try to fix things, handing me tools, screwing in screws, etc. Just my perspective, but I think good old A.C. didn't mean for his trains to be put up on shelves, gathering dust. He made them as toys, to be played with by kids. It is amazing that he made them well enough for kids to play with 50 years later. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gary Chidester <GChidester@m...> wrote: > I have to disagree with this statement! I started with my son when he was > two years old and my American Flyer that I received as a Christmas present > in 1964. I have since purchased many others and he is now at the age of > four and we are still enjoying our Flyers together. He has several that we > consider to be "his" and he is very careful and has sent none of them to the > landfill. I have some memories that are much more valuable than any 336 > even if he was able to destroy it. > > gary > > on 7/21/03 6:53 PM, Edward G. at am-flyr@t... wrote: > > > Giving kids trains is great ..BUT ...Dont give kids 4 yrs old AF > > trains that they will destroy .....no 4 yr old is capable of > > appreciating AF....If you want to start them out with a plastic > > disposable thing do so by all means but dont make us all cringe > > thinking about another AF heading for the local landfill due to > > being handed out as a TOY..... > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26498	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs??

It should be pointed out that tuner cleaner can dissolve paint. I nearly ruined a 234 GP7 by not taking the body off before spraying the 2 step reverse unit. Paint softened but luckily hardened back up after cleaner dried out. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Old American Flyer train ???repairs?? > Yes. It helps to spray the drums of the reverse units with TV tuner > contact cleaner from Radio Shack or equiv. You should probably disassemble > the motors, and clean out the brush tubes; possibly replace the brushes and > brush springs. You should probably clean the commutators with 400 and 600 > sandpaper on a flat wooden block with a hole drilled in the block to clear > the end of the armature shaft. That will keep the surfaces straight and > true. > > You may have to replace the engine-tender harness wires, or they may be OK. > If you solder wires to the reverse unit finger boards, place a small piece > of thin card stock between the fingers and drum to keep soldering heat from > melting the drum.You may have to replace the smoke unit wicks and coils, or > they may be ok. > > You may have to replace the insulated bushings around the tender truck > rivets, which means replacing the rivets too. . This is a chore best > avoided, but if the bushings are shot the tender rocks from side to side > too much and triggers the reverse unit. > > Lubricate front and rear armature bearings, and all axle bearings, with > fine oil in a leedle tip oiler. > > Clean the tops of the rails with a track eraser. Check the track for > straightness by placing it on a flat surface such as a glass table. > Replace or repair any bent track. Clean all the metal wheels that pick up > current too. > > If any further questions arise, ask them here! > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26499	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Find the Flaw

Bill, (nDb) --(do the new folks on the list know what that means? heh heh heh!) Ah yes, THAT flaw!!! I agree! S' David PS Things are moving along here, Linda's Dad's burial service will be this Thursday, still doing the stopping mail, etc. etc. stuff. Memorial service sometime later for all family, etc. who are out of town and can't make it here this week. Found out he was leasing his old rotary dial wall phone, for $58.85 a year. AT&T will send us a final bill and wants this thing mailed back to them!! So, let's see; it was there for at least 27 years, so he paid AT&T $1,588.00 for a $10 phone! EGADS! And it's legit, they still lease them according to their website. I'm in the wrong biz. . . . I ain't gonna clean it before I return it!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26500	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Ebay lisitngs

Hi Guys, I have a few Ebay listings that have just started. Please give a look. They are only up for 5 days. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3139751675&category=16509 &rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3139753490&category=16509 &rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3139755888&category=16509 &rd=1 Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26501	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: HUGE OVAL OF TRACK FOR SALE K-LINE 54" radii

<A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3139860569&category=480&rd=1">eBay item 3139860569 (Ends Jul-25-03 16:41:00 PDT) - AMERICAN FLYER K-LINE 3ft & 54in radii TRACK</A> Here is an oval with 54" radii & 20 pcs of 3ft K-Line track 30ft X approx 4 1/2 ft Look at my other items also. Thank you, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26502	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Telephones and Trains

......."Found out he was leasing his old rotary dial wall phone, for $58.85 a year. AT&T will send us a final bill and wants this thing mailed back to them!! So, let's see; it was there for at least 27 years, so he paid AT&T $1,588.00 for a $10 phone! EGADS! And it's legit, they still lease them according to their website. I'm in the wrong biz. . . . I ain't gonna clean it before I return it! " ......A relative leases phones for her restaurant. The abuse they get from employees usually renders them junk in time. A leased phone deal is a ticket for a free replacement in her case. The cheap junk sold in stores now for $20 & up does not last at all--drop one and it becomes flawed one way or another. Could you make a comparison with toy trains ----I will stop stop there. John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26503	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel pricing-ADV

We now have images and pricing on our website for the Lionel Catalog 2 AF items, including the new Mikados. Our early-order discounted pricing expires August 17th. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26504	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Old American Flyer train ???repairs?? Part II

Check that all the trucks on the cars and tenders are straight and true, and that the wheels are properly gauged with no bent axles. Most link coupler trucks are made from sheet metal and can simply be straightened. Knuckle coupler trucks, and some larger link trucks, have cast sideframes. The joints between the frames and the sheet metal truck yokes are weak. Do not stress them. If adjusting these trucks, grasp the truck sideframe and yoke together with a locking pliers, holding the casting to the yoke, and bend them as one. Link couplers must fall freely to work. If they are sticky, work some WD-40 into the joints and move the coupler around for a few minutes to lubricate and perhaps stretch the opening. Early Flyer plastics, especially those used in link wheels and couplers, were made with a mold release agent, sodium stearate (soap) mixed into the plastic. Over time, this tends to have migrated to the surface of the plastic and formed a whitish crud there. It can be removed with isoproply alcohol and a toothbrush. Take care not to get the alcohol on any painted surfaces, as it will damage them. It sounds like what you have is two starter sets, of limited collectible value but sturdy and robust, and excellent for small children. The most vulnerable points will probably be the loco harnesses and the couplers. You may have to check them every few months for damage, and effect a few repairs. Make sure the kids olay with them safely, away from damp or wet conditions or flammable materials. Good luck. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26505	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic

I recently looked at my telephone bill....I had 5.00+- in long distance calls.....AND 16.00+ IN TAXES!!!...I have cancelled my long distance service as my cell phone has it...I was with AT&T for 20 some years......And I have on my desk A SNOOPY telephone I bought 25 years ago for about 100.00....works fine but the cord ( which is cheap to replace ) is giving a little problem....Check your bills...YOU MIGHT SAVE ENOUGH to buy A new 2-8-2......Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26506	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/22/2003
Subject: Original Gilbert Paint

Anyone have any ideas of what the original A.C.Gilbert factory paint was? Latex/acrlylic (water base), enamel of some sort, or possibly alcohol/solvent based lacquer? Or maybe just some kind of ink based paint? I think that if I could find out the original composition or type of the A.C.Gilbert paint that I would more easily find a way to "mend and blend" a repair on my old rolling stock without worries of lifting and wrinkling. I tried some of the 'model paint' touch-up and it too created a 'lift' in the repair. Drat! One thing for certain, the ink lettering prints on the rolling stock melts right off with 'orange cleaner'! (learned the hard way). Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26507	From: Hall G	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Old AF repair help; Thanks!

Old AF repair help; Thanks! Wow I had posted a request for suggestions on tuning up a couple of old AF sets to give away to a 4 year old train nut and I really want to thank all of you for the response so many directly off list! I will get some time to respond to all in a day or so but for now just wanted to thank everyone of the several that responded with a big thankyou! Lots of good and useful tips! I assembled the replies into a binder I will give to the parents of the boy so they can maintain the train, and used them to do some repairs! Went out and bought some things for the repair and spent the last 6 hours working on the 302 engine rewiring and taking apart and cleaning with the suggestions that were passed along. Cleaned up a loop of track dug out an old Marx transformer and actually got the engine running very well, and to my utter amazement the thing still smokes! Could only find a 14 volt bulb at Radio shack that fits but so far it still works. Reverse unit works fine after a good cleaning and despite the track in not perfect shape had the train running for at least an hour pulling along a string of freight cars puffing out clouds of smoke. The set has enough track I think for about 3 loops with a good # of straights and a couple of switches that I cleaned up and repaired one. Also has a manual and one auto uncoupler. Freight cars include a gulf tanker, couple of hoppers, gondola, a very heavy flat car and 2 cabooses. I am amazed at how well this runs! ran it slow and fast and runs very well reverse unit kicking out occasionally on rough or dirty track each time I attended to these sections and got it going even better. Will have to get working on the 290 engine when some time. I must say I love the smoke and puffing feature one up on Lionel trains some of which we have in the basement. My wife says do I really want to give this away, after seeing it run well no actually I would love to keep it but have enough and know this boy will enjoy it! As for the note on why give it to a kid! Well this is the best way to preserve this hobby and he will be thrilled with it! Better then him one day having his parents go out and buy a store HO set if they can afford it one day! This will last longer though not shiny and new will be something that he will I am sure treasure into adulthood if he makes it through the teen years. When I was a kid took my chores and paper route $ and went with friends to a swap meet at the local drive in once in a while and bought most of the toys I would own. Bought Lionel and I know at some point had American Flyer as well, + some slot cars. Had varying success at getting these all running. AF I think was not to successful and sold these back then not as a kid knowing how to fix them or get them running well. I had thought of painting all the cars and lettering them with the boys name as the railway line on the side but I guess this would be great sin and for future devalue the set. Though I am sure as mentioned these are starter sets and not worth a lot. I know that this family will take great care with this set and maintain and preserve it and appretiate it very much. Thanks again for all the help, the many that took the time to respond you are all a part of this project! Will let you know how the final 290 repair goes! Gordon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26508	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains

John, Well, commercial use is far different from a home with only an older couple living there! Besides, I'll bet her phones are push-button, multi line w/hold features etc. I wuz talkin' 'bout an old fashioned rotary dial, mechanical ringer phone from the 1970s! Now we could compare old ACG locos with modern electronic equipped locos. I doubt that they will be able to be pulled out of the attic after 30 years of storage, put on the tracks and run. I have seen ACG locos do that! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26509	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Old AF repair help; Thanks!

Gordon, Not only is this the way to spread the hobby and get new blood involved, you have also started him in the right Scale too! S rules!! ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26510	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains

My old Western Electric rotary still works great, just needs a spritz of contact cleaner/lube once in a while. This is testament to the A.C.Gilbert trains. With a little lube/cleaning, they have run for more than 50 years. Just like my 50+ year old rotary desk phone which is still in daily use. Absolutely indestructible this phone is. Modern stuff will never last like this old equipment. What bugs me, is that my local cable company no longer has a 'hold' menu on their service for a good old rotary phone. Looks like they are trying to phase out the good old rotary dial equipment in favor of total digital/tone. Old phones, old Gilbert trains, they were the best! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > John, > Well, commercial use is far different from a home with only an older > couple living there! Besides, I'll bet her phones are push-button, multi > line w/hold features etc. I wuz talkin' 'bout an old fashioned rotary dial, > mechanical ringer phone from the 1970s! > Now we could compare old ACG locos with modern electronic equipped locos. I > doubt that they will be able to be pulled out of the attic after 30 years of > storage, put on the tracks and run. I have seen ACG locos do that! > S' > David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26511	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: SHS photos of 2-8-0 detail parts

Bob Werre took these a few days ago. The can be found at: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/lst The deadline for the advance order discount is next Thusday, July 31st. Order can be placed online at: http://www.showcaseline.com/2-8-0/2-8-0.html Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26512	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic

try using 1010987 and the number, as the rate is 3 cents a minute, plus 39 cents and it works with your local phone company. I am able to call from MD to TN, Memphis, for $2 an hour! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <JRKRrdd@...> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Telephones and Trains....Off topic > I recently looked at my telephone bill....I had 5.00+- in long distance > calls.....AND 16.00+ IN TAXES!!!...I have cancelled my long distance service > as my cell phone has it...I was with AT&T for 20 some years......And I have > on my desk A SNOOPY telephone I bought 25 years ago for about > 100.00....works fine but the cord ( which is cheap to replace ) is giving a > little problem....Check your bills...YOU MIGHT SAVE ENOUGH to buy A new > 2-8-2......Bob Conner > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26513	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic

Remember when...........I had a rotary phone in the basement and a 'princess' phone upstairs and if I wanted to really get her (my wife) attention, all I had to do was pick up the rotary phone in the cellar and dial "953" ;click down the headset hoop and the phone upstairs would ring! My wife would pick up and we could converse normally via our telephones while I was in the basement in my shop and she was upstairs. Good old Bell must have provided that capability to every home in the USA for free...........a home intercom!!!! Remember that!?! Wonder if it still works? Probably not with all this digital baloney. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > try using 1010987 and the number, as the rate is 3 cents a minute, plus 39 > cents and it works with your local phone company. I am able to call from MD > to TN, Memphis, for $2 an hour! > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> > To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <JRKRrdd@a...> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Telephones and Trains....Off topic > > > > I recently looked at my telephone bill....I had 5.00+- in long distance > > calls.....AND 16.00+ IN TAXES!!!...I have cancelled my long distance > service > > as my cell phone has it...I was with AT&T for 20 some years......And I > have > > on my desk A SNOOPY telephone I bought 25 years ago for about > > 100.00....works fine but the cord ( which is cheap to replace ) is giving > a > > little problem....Check your bills...YOU MIGHT SAVE ENOUGH to buy A new > > 2-8-2......Bob Conner > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26514	From: trzp1800	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: ACSG Upcoming Shows - Y'all Come

Hi all: The Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers, Carolinas chapter, will be at three upcoming GATS shows on the next three weekends. We're in Charlotte, well... Cabarrus, this weekend (7/26/27), Raleigh on 8/2-3 and Columbia, SC on 8/9-10. Check out the GATS website for info and directions. Check out; http://trainweb.org/acsg/ if you'd like to see something about the club/layout. Hope to see some of you S-gaugers there! Regard'S', Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26515	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1952

I am in the process of putting new bushings in an American Flyer diesel truck, using the bushing jig from Victor Panza, which puts a 5/16 bushing into the 3/8 bushing originally done at Gilbert ( the older truck ). Do any of this group know how Gilbert set their bushings, preformed bushings? cast in place and drilled? blank bushings then drilled?. The tool is excellent, I am having problems with the 5/16 bushings staying in place. Any comments? suggestions? Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26516	From: waldootten	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Another eBay scam -- FRAUD ALERT

To those who dip their financial toes into eBay: Today I got an email from an address called "aw-confirm@..." IT IS A SCAM! It looks official. It asks for me to type in my eBay user name and password for confirmation. THIS DID NOT COME FROM EBAY. Do not do anything with this request. Forward the email to: spoof@... Just thought I'd alert everyone. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26517	From: waldootten	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: MORE on eBay FRAUD

Since the software for this board hides email addresses, here they are again: The fraudulent email came from AW-CONFIRM at eBay.com Forward it to SPOOF at eBay.com Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26518	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic

OK, OK, old phones huh? I still own a phone that was in my Grandfathers house in Rigby Idaho where I grew up. You picked it up and the operator said "number please." It had no dial. Our number was 314J. We had a cousin who's number was 314W. They gave a number and the first initial of the subscribers first name as your phone number. Worked every time....Trains? My Grandfather was a section hand on the UP line from Utah to Montana. My Uncle was the section chief and lived in the proverbial "Shotgun" house owned by the railroad. Yep, he actually had a shotgun setting by the back door too. Steve Blackburn Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26519	From: rfgiardina	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1952

Gilbert did not use the method that Victor Panza is selling. Gilbert used an early version chassis that had preformed bushings inserted in cast in holes in the chassis. The later version had no bushings at all. It is best to replace the bushings using the same method as Gilbert. RFG --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@j...> wrote: > > I am in the process of putting new bushings in an American Flyer > diesel truck, using the bushing jig from Victor Panza, which puts a 5/16 > bushing into the 3/8 bushing originally done at Gilbert ( the older truck > ). > Do any of this group know how Gilbert set their bushings, preformed > bushings? cast in place and drilled? blank bushings then drilled?. The > tool is excellent, I am having problems with the 5/16 bushings staying in > place. Any comments? suggestions? > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26520	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/23/2003
Subject: S & S - Baldwin Re-Motor Pictures

Here is a link to some pictures showing Steve's Baldwin remotor kit. This is one hot upgrade. It can be undone if you ever want your slugage Flyer performance back. http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun21 ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26521	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Telephones and Hearing aids....Off topic

I have a wife and daughter who wear dual hearing aids. Phones and hearing aids work by inductive coupling. All of today's wireless and cell phones do not do inductive coupling. So they are of little use to us. All of our phones are touch-tone desk phones by Western Electric from late 1970s and are hard wired to the wall. We use calling cards for cheap minutes. Everyone knows our phones: they are the standard, old-fashioned, indestructible desk phones. Ours are tan and touch-tone but we all recognize them in black with a rotary dial. Inductive coupling: Thomas Edison's laboratories created the normal speaker. It consists of a coil of wire surrounding a magnet. The magnet is glued to the back of the diaphragm. When a pulsating current is applied to the coil, a series of inductive pulses are created. These pull and push the magnet, moving the diaphragm and making the sounds we hear from the speakers. Hearing aids exploit these inductive pulses. When my wife or daughter use the phone, they move a switch on their hearing aids from 'M'icrophone to 'T'elephone. This cuts out the microphone and connects them to an inductive coil within their hearing aids. So the speaker part of the phone is talking to nothing because they are connected via the magnetic coils. Modern phones use what is called a piezo-electric element. This is a bi-metal strip that flexes when electric current is applied. (Thus the piezo-electric speaker is the diaphragm only: the coil and magnet are omitted.) Today's versions give very good sound and are found in every pair of featherweight headphones. Almost all of the speakers within our locomotives are now piezo-electric. They consume almost no power (compared to the old speakers) so are perfect for battery use. BUT (this is a big but) they do not create the inductive pulses as there isn't a coil involved. Because of this lack, she has to place the phone's speaker against the hearing aid which almost always produces so much feedback as to be worthless: and she hands the phone to me. (I will be happy to advance into the 21st century of cell phones if someone will sell me one with the inductive coil built in. This coil does not have to be part of a speaker. It will need a switch to turn it on or off as it is power hungry.) Silence is golden... Thorin Message: 3 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:15:43 -0000 From: "traindoctor2003" <uncadoc@...> Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic Remember when...........I had a rotary phone in the basement and a 'princess' phone upstairs and if I wanted to really get her (my wife) attention, all I had to do was pick up the rotary phone in the cellar and dial "953" ;click down the headset hoop and the phone upstairs would ring! My wife would pick up and we could converse normally via our telephones while I was in the basement in my shop and she was upstairs. Good old Bell must have provided that capability to every home in the USA for free...........a home intercom!!!! Remember that!?! Wonder if it still works? Probably not with all this digital baloney. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26522	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic

Here in Wauwatosa, WI if I dial my own phone and then hang up, it rings. Pick it up and the line is live from my house to my house so we could use this for a home intercom. I have multiple lines into my house. I use this trick when I plug in another phone. I call the number I think the new phone is on and see if it rings. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:15:43 -0000 From: "traindoctor2003" <uncadoc@...> Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic Remember when...........I had a rotary phone in the basement and a 'princess' phone upstairs and if I wanted to really get her (my wife) attention, all I had to do was pick up the rotary phone in the cellar and dial "953" ;click down the headset hoop and the phone upstairs would ring! My wife would pick up and we could converse normally via our telephones while I was in the basement in my shop and she was upstairs. Good old Bell must have provided that capability to every home in the USA for free...........a home intercom!!!! Remember that!?! Wonder if it still works? Probably not with all this digital baloney. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26523	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: S-n-S Remotor of a K325 plus rewiring

Good morning: Despite what Sam and Sam say, it took me about four hours to install their fast motor into my K325. Why? I COMPLETELY disassembled the locomotive and cleaned it using techniques taught by John Heck at the NASG convention. (I wish I could have stayed for all of it but I almost fell asleep twice. When the one-hour clinic started it was past my bed time. I left about 15 minutes into the next hour and have no idea when they finished. I am hoping John has a TWO hour clinic at the NASG convention in Chicago next summer.) I rewired the locomotive so the front headlight went to the outer prongs of the four-pin socket and the inner two went to the motor. The smoke unit was wired with one side common with the headlight and the other wire was run to the rivet holding the four-pin socket together. From there it goes no-where: I love the sound of AF steam but I am not a 'smoker'. I made adjustments to the smoke piston, side rods, installed the S-n-S can motor, tested the headlight, and made other fixes. I then reassembled and tested everything. I now had a pretty big pile of old motor parts and old wires. I kept them in a neat pile while I... Dissembled the tender. I unwired and removed the ACG reverse unit. I removed all of the other wires. (These wires were then added to the aforementioned pile.) I now had an empty tender. I put the reverse unit back in but did not wire it: it adds weight. I wired the left two plug wires to the front truck. I wired the right two plug wires to the rear truck. I took all of the small parts from the pile and put them into the Ziploc bag the S-n-S motor came in. I flattened the bag and put it inside the tender shell, against the top. I then put in the armature, brush holder, and field into the tender shell. With a little futzing, I was able to drop the tender frame onto this full tender shell with no problem. (By doing this, all of her original parts are still with her. With these parts someone could easily reverse her back to pure ACG.) I screwed the tender together. I cleaned the brass wheels and replaced one of the springs for the sliders with a new steam brush spring. I connected the locomotive to the tender and plugged it in. I applied DC power and she promptly went the wrong way. I unplugged the tender from the locomotive, turned the plug over, and now she went the correctly. Power consumption dropped by a factor of 10 from 4 amps to about 0.4 amps. My poorly wired layout could now run her. Why did I rewire the locomotive as a bastard 5-wire? In the not-to-distant-future I will be switching to DCC. Thus the locomotive is now DCC ready with the headlight, smoke unit, and motor on different circuits. My only complaint is I can't turn the wheels by hand. On the old AC motor, you can reach in and turn the armature by hand. You can easily get rods-up or rods-down for your photographs. (Rods up is correct for passenger locomotives. Rods down for freight.) The S-n-S motor is enclosed and does not have an extension to the motor shaft so there is nothing to grab onto. The motor I used had been destined for my 4-8-4. To replace this motor I will purchase a Timko motor because of the flywheel. I am not looking for the smoothness the flywheel will give: I can turn the flywheel by hand. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26524	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Convention

Anyone who attended the Oconomowoc convention, stayed at the Olympia, and paid with a credit-card....BEWARE. I just found a follow-up charge billed to my credit-card a week after we left. Inquiring, it was for "towel purchase" ! They claim that there were 8 towels and washcloths missing from our room after we left, and they billed us for them !!!!! I'm NOT happy with them, I let them know it, but I didn't get any satisfaction from them.....at least not yet. Watch your c/c statement or billings! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26525	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Hearing aids....Off topic

Dear Larry: We tried that. Everyone for 50 yards could hear the conversation. At that volume level it was distorted. Last, it drove me from the room. We have a local phone store run by the local Deaf and Hard of Hearing organization. We eliminated all phones that I couldn't be in the same room with when Catherine was on the line. What remained all had the inductive coil. We purchased two about three years ago. Hard wire phones (not wireless) that needed AC power for their amplification. Both were used for about a year. They didn't sound as good as the old Western Electric phones. Then when some electrical work was being done, I jacked one of the old WE phones in parallel with the upstairs phone because the new phones were dead. I left it plugged in and discovered Catherine switched back to the old phone that same day and never used one of the new phones again. I sold those phones (at a big loss) at a rummage sale this spring. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: ljack70117@... [mailto:ljack70117@...] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:55 AM To: Marty.Thorin Cc: S-Trains (E-mail) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Telephones and Hearing aids....Off topic Remove the hearing aid and use the phone in normal fashion. The phone will act as the hearing aid. This is what I was advised to do by my hearing aid tech. Thank you Larry Jackman On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 08:48 AM, Marty.Thorin wrote: > I have a wife and daughter who wear dual hearing aids. Phones and > hearing > aids work by inductive coupling. All of today's wireless and cell > phones do > not do inductive coupling. So they are of little use to us. All of > our > phones are touch-tone desk phones by Western Electric from late 1970s > and > are hard wired to the wall. We use calling cards for cheap minutes. > Everyone knows our phones: they are the standard, old-fashioned, > indestructible desk phones. Ours are tan and touch-tone but we all > recognize them in black with a rotary dial. > > Inductive coupling: Thomas Edison's laboratories created the normal > speaker. > It consists of a coil of wire surrounding a magnet. The magnet is > glued to > the back of the diaphragm. When a pulsating current is applied to the > coil, > a series of inductive pulses are created. These pull and push the > magnet, > moving the diaphragm and making the sounds we hear from the speakers. > Hearing aids exploit these inductive pulses. When my wife or > daughter use the phone, they move a switch on their hearing aids from > 'M'icrophone to 'T'elephone. This cuts out the microphone and > connects them > to an inductive coil within their hearing aids. So the speaker part > of the > phone is talking to nothing because they are connected via the magnetic > coils. > Modern phones use what is called a piezo-electric element. This is > a bi-metal strip that flexes when electric current is applied. (Thus > the > piezo-electric speaker is the diaphragm only: the coil and magnet are > omitted.) Today's versions give very good sound and are found in > every pair > of featherweight headphones. Almost all of the speakers within our > locomotives are now piezo-electric. They consume almost no power > (compared > to the old speakers) so are perfect for battery use. > BUT (this is a big but) they do not create the inductive pulses as > there isn't a coil involved. Because of this lack, she has to place > the > phone's speaker against the hearing aid which almost always produces > so much > feedback as to be worthless: and she hands the phone to me. > (I will be happy to advance into the 21st century of cell phones if > someone will sell me one with the inductive coil built in. This coil > does > not have to be part of a speaker. It will need a switch to turn it on > or > off as it is power hungry.) > > Silence is golden... > Thorin > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:15:43 -0000 > From: "traindoctor2003" <uncadoc@...> > Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic > > Remember when...........I had a rotary phone in the basement and > a 'princess' phone upstairs and if I wanted to really get her (my > wife) attention, all I had to do was pick up the rotary phone in the > cellar and dial "953" ;click down the headset hoop and the phone > upstairs would ring! > My wife would pick up and we could converse normally via our > telephones while I was in the basement in my shop and she was > upstairs. > Good old Bell must have provided that capability to every home in the > USA for free...........a home intercom!!!! > Remember that!?! > > Wonder if it still works? > Probably not with all this digital baloney. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26526	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Convention

Doug....Of all the hundreds of Motels and Hotels I have stayed in I had only one try to pull A trick on me....They claimed the last time I had stayed at their motel, on the beach at Daytona, I made a call to Atlanta just as I left....I never make calls from A motel room....Cell phone or I go to my long distance carrier to avoid charges....anyway it was 6.00...I paid it....a week later I sent them a letter asking for a copy of the bill.......They sent my 6.00 back!!!....NEVER BEEN BACK..... Contest it.....Raise H......Contact the Chamber of Commerce, etc....That's what I did with the PAY TOILET problem in ERIE, PA where the city will charge to go to the pot.....unless you have paid for an entry ticket to A GATS show.....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <nasg@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: [S-Scale] NASG Convention > Anyone who attended the Oconomowoc convention, stayed at the Olympia, and > paid with a credit-card....BEWARE. I just found a follow-up charge billed > to my credit-card a week after we left. > Inquiring, it was for "towel purchase" ! They claim that there were 8 towels > and washcloths missing from our room after we left, and they billed us for > them !!!!! > I'm NOT happy with them, I let them know it, but I didn't get any > satisfaction from them.....at least not yet. > > Watch your c/c statement or billings! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also > available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: www.portlines.com > E-mail: doug@... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26527	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] RE: [S-Scale] NASG Convention

I sent this to Doug and you all can do the same with any problems a business give you. I sent back some University of MD Championship merchandise I brought when they the won the basketball ball title, that was damage, about $75 worth, and they were going to replace it. When I didn't hear from them, 5 months later, I called and the phone was disconnected. So it was a fly by night type business. I explain to credit card company and took the charge off my card right away. They used to make you write a letter to the bank, but they stopped that. So each, card is different. Mike Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <Doug@...> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: [S-Scale] NASG Convention > Doug, > > All you have to do is call your credit card company and explain the problem > and they should take that charge off. > > Mike Marmer > Germantown, MD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> > To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; > <nasg@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:49 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: [S-Scale] NASG Convention > > > > Anyone who attended the Oconomowoc convention, stayed at the Olympia, and > > paid with a credit-card....BEWARE. I just found a follow-up charge billed > > to my credit-card a week after we left. > > Inquiring, it was for "towel purchase" ! They claim that there were 8 > towels > > and washcloths missing from our room after we left, and they billed us for > > them !!!!! > > I'm NOT happy with them, I let them know it, but I didn't get any > > satisfaction from them.....at least not yet. > > > > Watch your c/c statement or billings! > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines Hobby Supply > > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), > Also > > available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: > > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > > 978-465-8798 > > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > > Website: www.portlines.com > > E-mail: doug@... > > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26528	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Diesel Bushings

THANKS to all who replied to my question about replacing diesel bushings. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26529	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2003
Subject: Telephones and Trains

Hi, I have this desire to own a Pennsy AF depressed center "Western Electric" flat---probably related to this history story and my childhood recollection of this "traffic" story : The largest Western Electric plant called Hawthorne was located at Cermak Rd and Cicero Ave in Cicero, Illinois.* At one time in the 1930s, it employed 40,000 workers at that location--hundreds of acres! In the late 1950s, it came to be that the radio jocks began bashing the severe auto traffic jams created at Cicero Ave when freight trains blocked the intersection comprising of all grade levels --3 crossroads and a major rail intersection at Cicero Ave (US Rt 50; Odgen Ave (US Rt 34) and 26th St), notably at evening rush time. I remember the big radio noise then--auto backups for miles!--railroads fault! (Burlington Route then). The state eventually spent millions in the 60s to change Cicero Ave and eventually separated all these roads from the rail lines. Western Electric then closed the plant after ATT broke up (1983?). Moral: What is important today may well be very unimportant tomorrow. The Burlington no longer exists either--except, now as the BNSF. Today, there is some kind of mall at this location--I think. Most telephones marked "Western Electric" probably came from Hawthorne and most of them travelled on a freight train to get where they went. * You can view this area via mapquest --aerial Photo/Big Picture. Cicero was also home to a nearby plant called Hotpoint--a big appliance name in the 50s-60s--little heard of now. Cermack Rd was named after Anton Cermack--a mayor of Chicago who died when he got shot instead of FDR in Miami1933. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26530	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: glue

Hi all, I am building a Lehigh Valley Station kit which is painted wood with painted metal windows. I plan to decorate the interior and light it. I am looking for an adhesive to set the windows in and also seal out light from the small cracks around the window. It must be easy to work and neat enough so the inside can be displayed. Does anyone on this knowledgeable list have a suggestion as to a useful glue for this application? Thanks alot, Alex(innotron)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26531	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: glue

Here is a website for gluing that may be of some help to you. http://www.thistothat.com/ Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] glue > Hi all, > I am building a Lehigh Valley Station kit which is painted wood with > painted metal windows. I plan to decorate the interior and light it. I > am looking for an adhesive to set the windows in and also seal out light > from the small cracks around the window. It must be easy to work and > neat enough so the inside can be displayed. Does anyone on this > knowledgeable list have a suggestion as to a useful glue for this > application? > Thanks alot, > Alex(innotron) > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26532	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Glue + for Windows

For insetting the glass into the windows, you might use one of the products otherwise used to create a window. I can't recall the name offhand (Crystal-Cote?) For sealing out light around the windows, paint the interior black before assembly and then use either Elmers Glue or lightweight spackle on the inside, repainting if/as necessary. Regards. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26533	From: wintermutedm	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains

Near that site (a few blocks south) is the Hawthorne race track. Now I know where that name came from... or at least something it is related to! Because I decided to drive in today, I drove past there this morning on I-55 coming to work. And, if I am not mistaken, I ride those rails every morning and evening: my commuter train is run by BNSF. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JRKRrdd@a... wrote: > Hi, > > I have this desire to own a Pennsy AF depressed center "Western Electric" > flat---probably related to this history story and my childhood recollection of > this "traffic" story : > > The largest Western Electric plant called Hawthorne was located at Cermak Rd > and Cicero Ave in Cicero, Illinois.* At one time in the 1930s, it employed > 40,000 workers at that location--hundreds of acres! In the late 1950s, it came > to be that the radio jocks began bashing the severe auto traffic jams created > at Cicero Ave when freight trains blocked the intersection comprising of all > grade levels --3 crossroads and a major rail intersection at Cicero Ave (US Rt > 50; Odgen Ave (US Rt 34) and 26th St), notably at evening rush time. I > remember the big radio noise then--auto backups for miles!-- railroads fault! > (Burlington Route then). The state eventually spent millions in the 60s to change > Cicero Ave and eventually separated all these roads from the rail lines. > Western Electric then closed the plant after ATT broke up (1983?). Moral: What is > important today may well be very unimportant tomorrow. The Burlington no > longer exists either--except, now as the BNSF. Today, there is some kind of > mall at this location--I think. Most telephones marked "Western Electric" > probably came from Hawthorne and most of them travelled on a freight train to get > where they went. * You can view this area via mapquest --aerial Photo/Big > Picture. Cicero was also home to a nearby plant called Hotpoint-- a big > appliance name in the 50s-60s--little heard of now. Cermack Rd was named after Anton > Cermack--a mayor of Chicago who died when he got shot instead of FDR in > Miami1933. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26534	From: david.avedesian@limbachinc.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1947

Dear S-Trains: Would you please change my em address old: david.avedesian@... NEW: david.avedesian@... Thank you, David Avedesian ************************************************************************ This e-mail is the property of the Limbach Inc. and/or its relevant affiliate and may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient (s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender and delete all copies of the message. This e-mail (and any attachments hereto) are not intended to be an offer (or an acceptance) and do not create or evidence a binding and enforceable contract betweenLimbach Inc. (or any of its affiliates) and the intended recipient or any other party, and may not be relied on by anyone as the basis of a contract by estoppel or otherwise. Thank you. ************************************************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26535	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1954

Speaking of the Western Electric Flat #24519, I have an extra one headed for York this fall. Any one interested please contact me off line grdobbs@... Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26536	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1954

In a message dated 7/25/03 6:05:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:52:06 -0700 > From: Alex Sibbald <innotron@...> > Subject: glue > Alex, Don't take this as gospel but, I replaced some plastic windows in a 755 Talking Station with Super Glue. It worked fine with just a drop on each corner. Hope this helps, Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26537	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 27, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26538	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Lionel mike

Try telling AMTRAK (the always cash-strapped railroad) you can help them make money by using idle eqpt on weekends. They aren't interested at all, too busy guarding their feifdoms. Many large organizations/corporations far too short-sighted to seize opportunity. Actually it must have to do with the extra effort involved for entrenched bureaucrats. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26539	From: starr007	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: cleaning white walls

Does anyone have any suggestions on cleaning whitewalls on A.F. steam engines? You may contact me at starr007@.... Thanks in advance, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26540	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: cleaning white walls

Unfortunately, Gilbert white walls tend to pick up a brown stain from the wheels. This stain runs all the way through the plastic, so sanding it will not remove it. The best way to clean the white walls is to use Fantastik and a toothbrush to scrub them. Then wipe dry with paper towel. Don't get the Fantastik onto painted surfaces and lettering it could harm. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26541	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning white walls

Hi....if you have the chassis removed from the boiler, you can use a toothbrush and "COMET" kitchen cleaning powder on the whitewalls . I have also used a Q-tip with the tip dipped with acetone(nail polish remover) SLIGHTLY DAMPENED and rubbing lightly around the whitewall, I have been able to remove "yellowed" stains on the tires. But you must be very careful doing this, as acetone will soften the white plastic!(plus remove paint). Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "starr007" <starr007@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] cleaning white walls > Does anyone have any suggestions on cleaning whitewalls on A.F. steam engines? You may contact me at starr007@.... Thanks in advance, J.R. Starr > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26542	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning white walls

The whitewalls on pullmor wheels tend to pick up some of the rubber and get a brown-redish stain. It appears to go clear through the plastic (the plastic is actually somewhat porus). I wonder if any of these teeth whitening products might help? Anyone tried it yet? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26543	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: cleaning white walls

I once tried to get the stain out of whitewalls with laundry bleach, but it did not work. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26544	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/25/2003
Subject: cleaning white walls

**(((I once tried to get the stain out of whitewalls with laundry bleach, but it did not work.)))*** Well,....that shot down MY idea!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26545	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: Another eBay scam -- FRAUD ALERT

I too got one of those. It was preceded by a person asking about a certain ebay train parts vendor I had purchased from in the past via a 'hotmail' email 'something 101' I think it was. Then, two days later the 'ebay' email came asking for verification of my email name and password and to retype them into the empty boxes provided. Well, what first struck me was that..........why would ebay wish to know my user name? Obviously they must have my user name on file I thought. Then using common sense, I realized this was a scam! It then occured to me to have a bit of fun with this chap, so I typed into the 'user name' box.....bite my; and then in the password box I typed..... salami sandwich! Revenge is sweet! My E.E. Nephew told me that was a good idea, because it would create fruitless work for the sender of the email, since many real ebay user names/passwords are a bit nonsensical the rip-off artist would be none the wiser and waste their time trying to get the false name you provide in the boxes to work! This in a way, kind of turns the tables on them a bit! A tip he gave me is to use your actual ebay name in the 'empty name box' since the evil sender of the email already knows your real ebay user name and is trying to 'steal' your good feedback record account for his/her own evil purpose and really is only after your ebay password sign in. And just give them a 12 character/letter false 'password' which is what the evildoers are really after. That really ties them up trying to get your 'false' password to work! Regards, Mikey. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > To those who dip their financial toes into eBay: > > Today I got an email from an address called "aw-confirm@e..." > > IT IS A SCAM! It looks official. It asks for me to type in my eBay > user name and password for confirmation. THIS DID NOT COME FROM > EBAY. Do not do anything with this request. Forward the email to: > spoof@e... > > Just thought I'd alert everyone. > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26546	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Hearing aids....Off topic

That was very informative! Reminds me of the big old inductive Western Electric loops driven by vacumn tube amplifiers they also used in the old time movie theatres, and the hearing aids could also be switched to the 'loop' for aid wearers. The new 'mini-max' theatres probably do not use that good old technology.....or do they?!? Thanks Marty! Regards, Mike --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> wrote: > I have a wife and daughter who wear dual hearing aids. Phones and hearing > aids work by inductive coupling. All of today's wireless and cell phones do > not do inductive coupling. So they are of little use to us. All of our > phones are touch-tone desk phones by Western Electric from late 1970s and > are hard wired to the wall. We use calling cards for cheap minutes. > Everyone knows our phones: they are the standard, old- fashioned, > indestructible desk phones. Ours are tan and touch-tone but we all > recognize them in black with a rotary dial. > > Inductive coupling: Thomas Edison's laboratories created the normal speaker. > It consists of a coil of wire surrounding a magnet. The magnet is glued to > the back of the diaphragm. When a pulsating current is applied to the coil, > a series of inductive pulses are created. These pull and push the magnet, > moving the diaphragm and making the sounds we hear from the speakers. > Hearing aids exploit these inductive pulses. When my wife or > daughter use the phone, they move a switch on their hearing aids from > 'M'icrophone to 'T'elephone. This cuts out the microphone and connects them > to an inductive coil within their hearing aids. So the speaker part of the > phone is talking to nothing because they are connected via the magnetic > coils. > Modern phones use what is called a piezo-electric element. This is > a bi-metal strip that flexes when electric current is applied. (Thus the > piezo-electric speaker is the diaphragm only: the coil and magnet are > omitted.) Today's versions give very good sound and are found in every pair > of featherweight headphones. Almost all of the speakers within our > locomotives are now piezo-electric. They consume almost no power (compared > to the old speakers) so are perfect for battery use. > BUT (this is a big but) they do not create the inductive pulses as > there isn't a coil involved. Because of this lack, she has to place the > phone's speaker against the hearing aid which almost always produces so much > feedback as to be worthless: and she hands the phone to me. > (I will be happy to advance into the 21st century of cell phones if > someone will sell me one with the inductive coil built in. This coil does > not have to be part of a speaker. It will need a switch to turn it on or > off as it is power hungry.) > > Silence is golden... > Thorin > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:15:43 -0000 > From: "traindoctor2003" <uncadoc@l...> > Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains....Off topic > > Remember when...........I had a rotary phone in the basement and > a 'princess' phone upstairs and if I wanted to really get her (my > wife) attention, all I had to do was pick up the rotary phone in the > cellar and dial "953" ;click down the headset hoop and the phone > upstairs would ring! > My wife would pick up and we could converse normally via our > telephones while I was in the basement in my shop and she was > upstairs. > Good old Bell must have provided that capability to every home in the > USA for free...........a home intercom!!!! > Remember that!?! > > Wonder if it still works? > Probably not with all this digital baloney. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26547	From: traindoctor2003	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: Telephones and Trains

Fascinating story! And I always thought that Western Electric was on the west coast/california. What of Webster Electric of Chicago, they made phone systems/paging equipment used in many old hospitals that appeared just like the 'Western' equipment and was just as durable, and I wonder if these old phone companies actually made any parts for the A.C.Gilbert trains since it was originally located in/near Chicago? My old 324 loco has a reproducer in the tender that looks like a telephone type carbon disc speaker/receiver. I am not going to take it apart to see just what is inside it though!!! Regards, mikey --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JRKRrdd@a... wrote: > Hi, > > I have this desire to own a Pennsy AF depressed center "Western Electric" > flat---probably related to this history story and my childhood recollection of > this "traffic" story : > > The largest Western Electric plant called Hawthorne was located at Cermak Rd > and Cicero Ave in Cicero, Illinois.* At one time in the 1930s, it employed > 40,000 workers at that location--hundreds of acres! In the late 1950s, it came > to be that the radio jocks began bashing the severe auto traffic jams created > at Cicero Ave when freight trains blocked the intersection comprising of all > grade levels --3 crossroads and a major rail intersection at Cicero Ave (US Rt > 50; Odgen Ave (US Rt 34) and 26th St), notably at evening rush time. I > remember the big radio noise then--auto backups for miles!-- railroads fault! > (Burlington Route then). The state eventually spent millions in the 60s to change > Cicero Ave and eventually separated all these roads from the rail lines. > Western Electric then closed the plant after ATT broke up (1983?). Moral: What is > important today may well be very unimportant tomorrow. The Burlington no > longer exists either--except, now as the BNSF. Today, there is some kind of > mall at this location--I think. Most telephones marked "Western Electric" > probably came from Hawthorne and most of them travelled on a freight train to get > where they went. * You can view this area via mapquest --aerial Photo/Big > Picture. Cicero was also home to a nearby plant called Hotpoint-- a big > appliance name in the 50s-60s--little heard of now. Cermack Rd was named after Anton > Cermack--a mayor of Chicago who died when he got shot instead of FDR in > Miami1933. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26548	From: Tim	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: National Day

Hey guys, Please let me know when it's National Take Your Train To The Dentist Day! I don't want to miss it! :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26549	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: Another eBay scam -- FRAUD ALERT

It may see like a good idea to get a little revenge with these people. Unfortunately with today's viruses and the things strange people will do with any information you unknowingly provide like your IP address, cookies on your computer etc., the best revenge is using the delete key. I see new viruses that go through our mail server weekly that are so new that they aren't detectable and I am vigilant (paranoid) about keeping it updated. Save yourself some trouble and play it safe. Carl -----Original Message----- From: traindoctor2003 [mailto:uncadoc@...] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:48 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Another eBay scam -- FRAUD ALERT I too got one of those. It was preceded by a person asking about a certain ebay train parts vendor I had purchased from in the past via a 'hotmail' email 'something 101' I think it was. Then, two days later the 'ebay' email came asking for verification of my email name and password and to retype them into the empty boxes provided. Well, what first struck me was that..........why would ebay wish to know my user name? Obviously they must have my user name on file I thought. Then using common sense, I realized this was a scam! It then occured to me to have a bit of fun with this chap, so I typed into the 'user name' box.....bite my; and then in the password box I typed..... salami sandwich! Revenge is sweet! My E.E. Nephew told me that was a good idea, because it would create fruitless work for the sender of the email, since many real ebay user names/passwords are a bit nonsensical the rip-off artist would be none the wiser and waste their time trying to get the false name you provide in the boxes to work! This in a way, kind of turns the tables on them a bit! A tip he gave me is to use your actual ebay name in the 'empty name box' since the evil sender of the email already knows your real ebay user name and is trying to 'steal' your good feedback record account for his/her own evil purpose and really is only after your ebay password sign in. And just give them a 12 character/letter false 'password' which is what the evildoers are really after. That really ties them up trying to get your 'false' password to work! Regards, Mikey. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > To those who dip their financial toes into eBay: > > Today I got an email from an address called "aw-confirm@e..." > > IT IS A SCAM! It looks official. It asks for me to type in my eBay > user name and password for confirmation. THIS DID NOT COME FROM > EBAY. Do not do anything with this request. Forward the email to: > spoof@e... > > Just thought I'd alert everyone. > > Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26550	From: knockbill	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: cleaning white walls

Hi I've also had luck cleaning white walls with Comet & a tooth brush.... 1st, I would hold a piece of very fine(400-600) sand cloth agaist the white wall while the wheels are spinning, then polish the WW with comet... If the stains go all the way thru, you can't completely remove it I've often thought of trying WW wall cleaner designed for car tires, never tried it, tho.... Another cleaning tip... I've used scratch remover desighned for sun roofs on Corvettes for many plastic cleaning/polishing jobs,, works well & doesn't hurt the plastic...( I spend my "hobby time" between AF trains & rebuilding old vettes) As far as a fine polish with a little whitener ( bleach) in it, I've used tooth paste on many car & train parts to polish out scratches, with good results... Hope this helps some John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26551	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning white walls

Mequires makes a plastic cleaner/polish for acrylic windshields (motorcycles, etc.) that is very safe on plastics. Not very expensive either, and you could buy a bottle and share it with about 5 other guys/gals and each would have plenty for our purposes! I have used many of my car restoration skills and supplies on my trains too. Especially good on beat-up aluminum passenger cars---oops there goes my secret, now the junkers will go up in price, RATS! I have also manged to polish damage out on the roofs of the color molded cars too. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26552	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Off Topic Question

This is off-topic, but I think worthwhile. Someone with Lou Gehrig's disease has asked this question to an Internet support group and I think the electronic geniuses subscribing to S Trains might be able to answer it: "I'm looking for an infared switch and a way to control my TV using my computer. Any ideas?" Please respond directly to me at <pjervin@...>. Thanks, Peter Ervin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26553	From: knockbill	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: re; cleaning white walls

Hi, Now that we are crossing over with our hobbies.... (which is a fine idea),, I've found that there are many car related products out there which lend themselves to the trains (remember, Corvettes are basicly plastic) Alminum/mag wheel polish works well on passenger cars,, I've found that some of the self resetting Klixon breakers, used in cars(usually for add on options)are great for protecting circuits or for making use of a transformer which has a bad circuit breaker, And don't forget good old JB weld, my favorite epoxy for repairing mounting holes in plastic engines...... the primers & paints I use mostly, are found in the paint department of stores like Pep Boys, etc, there is a complete line of plastic compatable colors for trim & interior work, ... You see, I also am very cheap!!!!!!! Keep having fun, & sharing those secrets... Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26554	From: lou342ac	Date: 7/26/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning white walls

J.R., I use two products to clean my white rims on my steamers. I use 'Goo Gone' to get rid of the grime. This product is widely available in grocery stores and 'Home Depot' also carries the product. Their web site is: http://www.googone.com/ To brighten the rims I use a product that is widely used in the electrical utility industry to clean high voltage insulators. This product maybe harder to find unless you have a friend who works for a utility. A baby food jar size of the cleaner would last many years. They do have a web site and in addtional sell many wax and cleaning products. The company's name is 'Collinite'. When you open their main page click on the 'Industrial Wax Products' tab. Their web site is: http://www.collinite.com/ By the way I use this same method and products for cleaning the plastic wheels on my rolling stock. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "starr007" <starr007@f...> wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions on cleaning whitewalls on A.F. steam engines? You may contact me at starr007@f... Thanks in advance, J.R. Starr > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26555	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/27/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, July 27, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26556	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/27/2003
Subject: Leheigh Models B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Hi Folks I remember seeing an ad in S-Guagian for one of these in a wood kit. Does anyone have one or know of one for sale? Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26557	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: New Central PA club

Since we announced the prospects of forming a new S club for South Central PA, several folks have responded. We actually are up to 15 names on the address list representing all aspects of S. Now it's time to schedule our first meeting on September 6th at 2:00 at my place. The club could also encompass Northern and Western MD, too. If anyone else on this list is interested, please get in touch. Roy Hoffman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26558	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: boxcar loads

A recent Dispatch article was about boxcar loads. There has been recent information about sources of S scale brick sheets. A brick retailer near me receives his bricks on standard skids loaded in boxcars. The bricks are a wide variety of sizes. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26559	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Folks Has anybody ever heard of Kinsmart 1/64th vehicles Chick it out at http://www.4ymc.net/Pictures/scale/161-170/161-170%20Scale1.htm and click where it says 1:61-1:70 scale. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26560	From: the Reis's	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Missouri Pacific Pass set for sale

I have a Lionel-Flyer Missouri Pacific Passenger set for sale. 8112 and 8113 PA-1 Diesels 8910 combo 8911 coach 8912 Dome 8913 observation Extra cars: 8915 second Dome 8915 another Dome 8933 Diner Diesels alone $310 extra cars $75 everything $670 No set box but there are all the individual boxes. everything is in excellent (probably unused) condition. Parcel Post USPS shipping included in above. Preference goes to selling it all !! Make me an offer ! Thanks for looking Eric Reis Kenmore, Washington. (no rain since may 15, and 90+ again today) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26562	From: John Huster	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Blatant Commercial Sale Message

Please be sure to check out my special SUMMER COMBO SALE prices on my exclusive S Helper Box Cars and the new, soon to arrive Woodside Reefers and Single Sheathed Box Cars. For your convenience, you can click on the link below. http://boysrailroadclub.com/shsreefers/shsreefers.html Thank you, John Huster

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26563	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: New Album - Barb's Trains

You may want to visit the latest photo album. Barb's Trains - Lots of Flyer http://S-Scale.org/albums/albun20 ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26564	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: S Scale Vehicles

It is a difficult site to read, bouncing back and forth between the pictures and price list. Moreover, some of the items are key chains so it's not clear whether/how they could made into models. Finally, the prices are so uinbelieveable low that I think I must be misreading them. If, however, they are models/modelable, then the pictures would suggest they are of very high quality and more than worth the price. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26565	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: KINSMART CARS

I had bought a bunch of these at one time. They are nice cars. I get them through my kids who sell diecast cars. I'll have to go back & see what they are selling for. When I got them I had to buy them by the dozen. I can put together sets of them if people are interested. I will be out of town till Aug. 7th. As I'm moving & selling off a lot of my LTI & some Gilbert Flyer cars. The Engines I will sell last. Another note of interest to some I found that old Erector Metal boxes are great to store engines in. Put some foam padding & dividers in them they work great & they are GILBERT Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26566	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: KINSMART CARS

Can someone send me the link to the Kinsmart 1/64th scale cars. Thank You, Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26567	From: mlmarmer	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Re: New Album - Barb's Trains

Barb, Really nice pictures! Are you going to add ballast to the track? Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26568	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] New Album - Barb's Trains

Thanks for the heads-up Paul!! And Barb,....I'm EXTREMELY jealous of the room for trains you have!!! Lools like a lot of fun there!!! Thanks for sharing the photos!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26569	From: tigge55@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Re: S Scale Vehicles

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN- S GAUGE = 1:64 or 1/64 scale The following companies produce diecast vehicles: Playing Mantis Johnny Lightning cars are produced in 1/64 Code 3 Fire apparatus and new police vehicles are 1/64 Ertl produces construction, farming vehicles and trucks in 1/64 Hartoy and SpecCast have a good variety of cabs and trailors in 1/64 SpecCast also produces law enforcement vehicles to include state trooper/highway patrol units DIE-CAST PROMOTIONS produces excellent tractor-trailer rigs in 1/64 Revelle produces in 1/64 The new X-Concepts, LLC models are good detail and good quality Don't mean to break into your chat but thought this information might be of help. Sincerely, CAPT Fred Feld III RS, RPIH Preventive Medicine Officer HQ 1st Infantry Brigade Alabama State Defense Force Huntsville, AL 35801-3826 UNITED WE STAND...LET'S ROLL! > > From: Paul4Schil@... > Date: 2003/07/28 Mon PM 08:09:44 EDT > To: john.foley16@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, > s-scale@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale Vehicles > > It is a difficult site to read, bouncing back and forth between the pictures > and price list. Moreover, some of the items are key chains so it's not clear > whether/how they could made into models. Finally, the prices are so > uinbelieveable low that I think I must be misreading them. > If, however, they are models/modelable, then the pictures would > suggest they are of very high quality and more than worth the price. > Paul > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26570	From: Kielek Family	Date: 7/28/2003
Subject: Re: New Album - Barb's Trains

WOW!...Cool looking layout. Can't wait to see how Barb progress's with the scenery down the road. Looks great so far! Thanx for sharing the pictures....Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New Album - Barb's Trains > You may want to visit the latest photo album. > Barb's Trains - Lots of Flyer > http://S-Scale.org/albums/albun20 > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26571	From: David	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: sound board 4 talking station

It appears that someone has made a really nice almost dead on (Except the color) repro of the original sounding unit. If their retail price is the starting bid they did well on this, its quite reasonable. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3140524642&category=480

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26572	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: sound board 4 talking station

Dear David, Good day and thank you for your kind words - this item on E-Bay is just the production working sample (and it does work quite well). The repro Reproducer will have the correct (original) color scheme for the full production run - hope to have them available by York. Here is the full link if anyone would like to have a look: Reproducer http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3140524642&category=480&r d=1 If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at : http://GilbertGuru.com/ Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you again. Sincerely, Leonard D Salins P.O. Box 31538 Philadelphia, PA 19147 BluePrince@... 800-409-1909 http://GilbertGuru.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <Dave0616@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: sound board 4 talking station > It appears that someone has made a really nice almost dead on (Except > the color) repro of the original sounding unit. If their retail price > is the starting bid they did well on this, its quite reasonable. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3140524642&category=480 > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26573	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Re: sound board 4 talking station

Please excuse the last link - here is the full one: The reproducer: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3140524642&category=480&rd=1 If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at : http://GilbertGuru.com/ Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you again. Sincerely, Leonard D Salins P.O. Box 31538 Philadelphia, PA 19147 BluePrince@... 800-409-1909 http://GilbertGuru.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonard D Salins" <blueprince@...> To: "David" <Dave0616@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: sound board 4 talking station > Dear David, > Good day and thank you for your kind words - this item on E-Bay is just the > production working sample (and it does work quite well). The repro > Reproducer will have the correct (original) color scheme for the full > production run - hope to have them available by York. Here is the full link > if anyone would like to have a look: > > > > Reproducer > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3140524642&category=480&r > d=1 > > > > > If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at : > http://GilbertGuru.com/ > > Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you > again. Sincerely, > > > Leonard D Salins > P.O. Box 31538 > Philadelphia, PA 19147 > > > BluePrince@... > 800-409-1909 > http://GilbertGuru.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David" <Dave0616@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:58 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: sound board 4 talking station > > > > It appears that someone has made a really nice almost dead on (Except > > the color) repro of the original sounding unit. If their retail price > > is the starting bid they did well on this, its quite reasonable. > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&item=3140524642&category=480 > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26574	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: American Flyer HO Hudson

I just posted a message on the message board and forgot that I could send the group an email. I'm still trying to get the hang of Yahoo Groups. Anyway, I just bought an A.F. HO Hudson that wasn't running and I have since been able to get both motors running really good but need more parts (i.e. drive wheel, front pilot assembly, etc.) and was wanting to know if someone had any parts for it or if someone is interested in buying it. I currently have it torn apart so I can repair it. Thanks D. J. Harrison --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26575	From: Tim	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Nice going!

Barb, Nice job so far on the Flyer layout! It looks like you have a nice assortment of toys. I'm looking forward to more posts showing the progress you make. No rush. Keep doing that thing you do! :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26576	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Barb's layout

Kinda makes you want to start all over again :) Great job Barb! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26577	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: New Album - Barb's Trains

Wow!! Great to finally see Barb's layout. Much jealousy here! But someday. . . . How big is your room Barb? Looks huge in the pics. BTW, can we assume that is you in some of the pictures? Would like to hear some about the turntable plans too. I think roundhouses are soo cool--probably because of my memories of the one that was in Dunsmuir while I grew up (caved in during a snowstorm around my 6th grade year). My future layout HAS to have one! Paul, thanks so much for posting these for Barb & us. And now a blatant plug for Sunday's Flyer Chat: Barb is a regular there now, as are a lot of other fun, interesting, and knowledgeable folks -- be there or be square! Oh, wait a minute, some of us are squares. . . Well, come anyway, we have a great time! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26578	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Barb's Layout?

Can someone resend the link to the much talked about Barb's layout? I feel like the person that came into the party right after the punchline to the best joke in years! Thanks, gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26579	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Kinsmart

> Hi Folks > Has anybody ever heard of Kinsmart 1/64th vehicles > Chick it out at > http://www.4ymc.net/Pictures/scale/161-170/161-170%20Scale1.htm > and click where it says 1:61-1:70 scale. > John These look good, now we need to find them in a store! http://www.4ymc.net/Pictures/scale/161-170/ty-kt2516d.htm If anybody finds them, please tell us where! ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26580	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Kinsmart again

> I bought two of the Kinsmart Kenworth 2000 cabs at a local convience > store, some vendor puts them in the novelty cabinet....they were > $4.95 each these two equal or top a Ertl III cab with the side > mirrors, and detail inside, the seat belts are laying on the seat and > the covers on the sleeper bed are turned down...I couldn't get the > site to work very well so I don't know if these cabs are shown or the > cost shown....but this model is well worth the money and watching out > for. I did not see this message until after I posted my previous message. I went further exploring on the Kinsmart site. There are several busses for which no scale is given, but the length might make them close to S scale. http://www.4ymc.net/Pictures/Others/ty-9853da.htm http://www.4ymc.net/Pictures/Others/ty-6851da.htm http://www.4ymc.net/Pictures/Others/Other%20Die%20Casts1.htm http://www.4ymc.net/Price%20List/Scale/150-11000.htm I did NOT find a 1/64th scale Kenworth. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26581	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: Barb's Layout?

http://S-Scale.org/albums/albun20 --- Gary Chidester <GChidester@...> wrote: > Can someone resend the link to the much talked about > Barb's layout? I feel > like the person that came into the party right after > the punchline to the > best joke in years! > > Thanks, > > gary > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26582	From: waldootten	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Weird thinking by the Big "L", yes?

I was just thumbing through the latest issue of Classic Toy Trains. On the top left of a page was a note saying Lionel and other manufacturers, etc., were girding their legal loins to fight Union Pacific's decision to license [make them pay to use] its UP logos (and the logos of any fallen flags who it now owns). The Big "L" apparently thinks these logoes belong in a "free-use" public domain. On the other hand, on that same page, Lionel announces it has now trademarked the colors orange and blue, to prevent anyone else from using them in combination. In the article Lionel seems to claim everyone associates those colors with Lionel. Wonder if Lionel will now be suing the University of Illinois, whose sports teams all wear Orange & Blue -- or any other college or high school. I always thought what's good for the goose should be good for the gander. ;-) Don't you just love our litigious society? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26583	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: Weird thinking by the Big "L", yes?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > Wonder if Lionel will now be suing the University of Illinois, whose > sports teams all wear Orange & Blue -- or any other college or high > school. > > I always thought what's good for the goose should be good for the > gander. ;-) > > Don't you just love our litigious society? > > Phil K I bet the University of Illinois has been using orange and blue for longer than Lionel. Maybe the Illini should sue Lionel for ripping off their school colors and using them to hawk their silly looking 3 rail trains!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26584	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: Weird thinking by the Big "L", yes?

In a message dated 07/29/2003 12:57:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time, waldootten@... writes: > Wonder if Lionel will now be suing the University of Illinois, whose > sports teams all wear Orange &Blue -- or any other college or high > school. > They would have to go after Boise State University too. (Broncos) 2002 WAC Champions and Humanitarian Bowl winners. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26585	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Farm Layouts

TOY FARMER: I really found the farm layouts in the current issue of "Toy Farmer" to be fascinating. Three included trains. Unfortunately, none of the three with trains used S gauge/scale rolling stock/engines. The Mason layout write-up (pp.44-45) made no mention of what scale it is. But, one of two of the pictures showed three-rail track. This indicates the use of a 1:48 train. Too big, if, as I suspect, the layout is 1:64. The Tencza layout write-up (pp.52-53) said that layout was 1:64, but the two-rail train looked like HO or 1:87. Too small. Lastly, the Seitz layout write-up (pp.54-55) said it too was 1:64 and was using an HO or 1:87 train. Again, too small. The Seitz write-up went on to say that S or 1:64 trains were, "...hard to find and expensive." At this point, someone should have drawn a line in the sand. "Toy Farmer" and "Toy Trucker" both advertise in the "S Gaugian," the mainstay marketed publication of 1:64 railroads. I believe the "S Gaugian" reciprocates by advertising in "Toy Trucker." So, the staff should probably have some working knowledge of the 1:64 train market and what is available at reasonable prices. Suppliers such as Scenery Unlimited (sister business of the "S Gaugian"), Portline Hobbies, and Des Plaines Hobbies have oodles of S trains from, for example, Pacific Rail Shops, S Helper Service, American Models, RSSVP Models, and, if you're really into rolling your own, Ye Olde Huff n' Puff. This list of both suppliers and manufacturers is not exhaustive nor all-inclusive. A visit to the National Association of S Gaugers' site at www.nasg.org will display many more reliable and reasonably-priced sources. Granted, some of the 1:64 train items are more expensive than their 1:87 counterparts. But, they are not that much more expensive, and they are, in many cases, better constructed and more reliable. Also, the level of detail on the 1:64 engines/rolling stock far exceeds that evident on the 1:87 equivalents. While the 1:64 die-cast market has been a boon to the S train community, I think it would equally behoove 1:64 die-cast enthusiasts to explore the S train world. I just hate to see such good layout work be compromised with 1:48 or 1:87 also-rans. Gerry Evans Flagstaff AZ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26586	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: bar codes

A short time ago, Tom Jarcho wrote a comment about using bar codes and simple computer programming to run his Flyer. Sounds neat. Would you share more info on that topic, Tom? Thanks, Tom Stoltz, Maine S Gaugers NASG TCA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26588	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Farmin' n' Truckin'

Someone, about two months ago, on one of the lists was looking for 1:64 cows. Found 'em at www.dakotahtoys.com. Also, many parts for trucks and farm implements. Two sections, at the bottom of both the "word search" and the "picture search" are dedicated to 1:64. Searches are a bit awkward a/o the word search has no pictures, and the picture search has no words. You sort of have to switch back an forth. Evident were many tires, wheels, steering wheels, head lights, exhausts, etc., etc. Really worth a look-see. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26589	From: David	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: The Ultimate Steam Loco Repair

This is a MUST READ for any steam nut. Lets not ever complain about a hard to fix AF K5 or Lionel 2035/675. Awesome..... http://www.trainweb.org/horseshoecurve-nrhs/K4s.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26590	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Foam Scenery Modules

I finally have made some progress on adding scenery to my layout. Due to the limited access to this section of the layout I am making this scenery in removable sections. While not complete yet, I have a link to show the progress so far. http://www.tuveson.com/foamscenery/foam_scenery.htm More to come as it progresses. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26591	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: Foam Scenery Modules

Looks good Carl!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26592	From: waldootten	Date: 7/29/2003
Subject: Re: Foam Scenery Modules

Carl, you are a talented artist with a great imagination. Looks great, I'm jealous! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26593	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Re: Foam Scenery Modules

In a message dated 7/29/03 10:51:50 PM Central Daylight Time, carl@... writes: > http://www.tuveson.com/foamscenery/foam_scenery.htm > Carl, What was your method of SCENERY PAINTING painting or is that preprinted? Thanks for sharing! Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26594	From: Tim	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Re: Foam Scenery Modules

Nice work if you can get it - and you got it! It'll be a treat to see more pics as this project develops. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Tuveson To: Nasgmembers (E-mail) ; S-Trains (E-mail) Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Foam Scenery Modules I finally have made some progress on adding scenery to my layout. Due to the limited access to this section of the layout I am making this scenery in removable sections. While not complete yet, I have a link to show the progress so far. http://www.tuveson.com/foamscenery/foam_scenery.htm More to come as it progresses. Carl S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26595	From: John Gattis	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Railways program

Has any one had any good success using Railways? I can not create a benchwork

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26596	From: robert allen conner	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Re: Railways program

John....The benchwork is not hard at all..I am sure several members on this site can direct you to instructions....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gattis" <JHG2572@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Railways program > Has any one had any good success using Railways? I can not create a benchwork > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26597	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Custom 1/64 Truck

Here is one of the many 1/64 scale custom trucks that I have done for my S scale layout that is in the very, very beginning stages. Thanks to all that have made this group available. Make me feel like a kid again D. J. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26598	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Custom 1/64 Truck

Sorry I forgot to add the picture --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26599	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Custom 1/64 Truck for real this time

Here's the picture --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26600	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Custom 1/64 Truck Last Time I'm Trying

I have been unable to attach the picture for some reason Sorry for the trouble --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26601	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Custom 1/64 Truck Link

Here is a link where my trucks are. They are at the bottom of the page. Sorry to everyone for the inconvenience. http://www.sktoytrucks.com/Customized-ByCollectors.htm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26602	From: Hall G	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: American Flyer O gauge

A friend is clearing out some things from his friends estate. He has some old American Flyer O gauge?? If anyone is interested please contact me off list and I will pass your name along. Gordon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26603	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: LVM

Hi Folks In case you don't know yet. Lehigh Valley Models is now owned by Phil Kehr 308 Indian Rock Dam Rd. York, Pa. 17403 717 747 0493

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26604	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: More on the Foam scenery.

I have had a lot of nice comments about the new scenery page and several questions so I have added more information to the pages showing the carving tools etc. The new additions are at this kink. http://tuveson.webmage.com/foamscenery/foam_scenery.htm I also added more information to the pages on painting the backdrop at this link. http://www.tuveson.com/backdrop/backdrop.htm Thanks for the responses, Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26605	From: John A Foley	Date: 7/30/2003
Subject: Boy Oh Boy Industries

Hi Folks I meant to post this sooner. At the last NASG convention I meet a young fellow 14 years old who is starting a business. It's called, Boy Oh Boy Industries 400 Main Street Riverton, NJ 08077 856 786 7396 He offers services such as S gauge repairs, retrofits and upgrades. You can mail or call for services and price catalog. John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26606	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Re: Boy Oh Boy Industries

Dear John, Your forgot to mention the PRR M1a that Teddy Palmer entered in the NASG model contest this month in Oconomowoc. They moved his model from junior to amateur status. It is a very impressive model, even if it had been made by an adult! To give you an idea of the detail, he used 5 AF K5 tenders to make the stretch PRR tender. He ran it on our display layout and it was very nice. I think he used the AF UP Northern chassis for the drive with a MTH smoke unit? The last thing I heard was he attended Ken Zieska's DCC clinic and was thinking of installing DCC. Don John A Foley wrote: >Hi Folks > I meant to post this sooner. > >At the last NASG convention I meet a young fellow 14 years old >who is starting a business. It's called, >Boy Oh Boy Industries > 400 Main Street > Riverton, NJ 08077 > 856 786 7396 > >He offers services such as S gauge repairs, retrofits and upgrades. >You can mail or call for services and price catalog. > >John Foley > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26607	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Re: SHS blatant commercialism

Final day for advance order discount of 2-8-0. Assembled models are being testing now. Sound unit development will begin once mechanical tests are completed. These can be ordered on line. Notice DCC no sound should read DC no sound. Unlettered black engine cannot be ordered online, order will show UP, please make not in comments box and we will correct. Website can be found at: http://www.showcaseline.com/2-8-0/2-8-0.html Next container arrived today. Included will be the next run of reefers, USRA wooden boxcars and new extended vision cabooses. The following roadnames are expected. 40' wooden Reefers #01271 reefer MSEX Silver Edge 1002 #01272 reefer CHHX Col. Soup 7500 #01273 reefer MVCX Niblets 12311 #01274 reefer NWX Monarch Food 14390 #01275 reefer URTC Wilson's Milk #1 17500 - Exclusive for Port Lines #01276 reefer URTC Wilson's Milk #2 17501 - Exclusive for Port Lines #01277 reefer URTC MILW #1 87015 #01278 reefer URTC MILW #2 87217 #01279 reefer Western Fruit Express #1 67304 #01280 reefer Western Fruit Express #2 67395 http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html USRA single sheathed Boxcars #01281 SS CRRofNJ #1 92064 #01282 SS CRRofNJ #2 92161 #01283 SS MILW #1 700220 #01284 SS MILW #2 700221 #01285 SS MKT #1 77778 #01286 SS MKT #2 96077 #01287 SS WAG 7017 http://www.showcaseline.com/sheathedboxcars_in_stock.html Extended vision caboose #00217 EVC Unlettered - back in stock again! #00601 EVC Rock Island #1 #00602 EVC Rock Island #2 #01262 EVC Frisco #1 #01263 EVC Frisco #2 #01264 EVC CB&Q #3 - New scheme, no red stripe on sides of logo #01265 EVC CB&Q #4 - New scheme, no red stripe on sides of logo #01266 EVC D&RGW #3 - New number #01267 EVC D&RGW #4 - New number #01268 EVC Great Northern #3 - New number #01269 EVC Great Northern #4 - New number #01270 EVC MEC (sch III) #1 - New paint scheme Sorry, no online website as of yet, no images. You can order catalog and not item needed in comments. We will have this page up in next few weeks. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26608	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Making custom decals

I am interested in info on making my own decals for s-gauge trains. Not prototype, but seasonal types. I have heard mention of Alps printers and have done a search. All I seem to find are cartridges for them. I would also like to hear some pros and cons of different types of printers and processes. Contact me off list please. Cbtrainnut1@... Chris Burger Dayton, Ohio 45403 NASG TCA MVSG 937-254-4160 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26609	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Re: Making custom decals

--- Cbtrainnut1@... wrote: > I have heard mention of Alps printers and have done > a search. All I seem to find are cartridges for them. Alps printers are not sold in the US any more. You can find them on Ebay, however. They are good for decals because they have the capability to print with white ink and they print with a dry process so the ink doesn't run when wet. These printers are tricky and complicated to use. For example, I have one that doesn't have native support for printing in white ink so you have to fool the printer into thinking the white ink cartridge is silver and instruct the printer to print silver. And when you do print in white, you need to write and execute a script that prints multiple layers of a more opaque color before printing the white layer or else it won't look very good. There is a Yahoo group (alpsdecal) where just about everything you need to know about using these printers for decals is in the archives. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alpsdecal/ If using a regular printer for decals, you can get around the white problem by using white decal paper and not printing on the spaces that need to be white. However, this means that in order to make a decal of white lettering on a colored background you have to print the background on the decal and try to match the color of the model as close as possible. You also need to apply an overspray to seal the ink so that it doesn't run when you wet it for application. McGonigal Paper and Graphics sells kits containing white and clear decal paper and the sealing spray. http://www.mcgpaper.com/decalkits.html With a how to: http://www.mcgpaper.com/modeldecals.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26610	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: End of Baldwin introductory price

Just a reminder to all of you that were interested in the Baldwin can motor conversion kits. The special introductory price expires today 7/31/03. Any orders received by e-mail or postmarked by today will receive the special pricing. The price goes up tomorrow to $89.95 which is all inclusive of the motor, wiring, lead weight, and Dallee electronic reverse unit that works on either AC or DC. Shipping is $5 We also wish to remind you that the introductory pricing on the ALCO/GEEP can conversion expires on Aug 15, 2003. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26611	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: 2003 Lionel Book 2 American Flyer Trains

Joe's Train Repair is offering the newest announced American Flyer as offered in the 2003 Lionel Book 2 Catalog. Prices are listed below. Deadline for orders is Friday, August 15, 2003 at noon. Lionel 2003 Book 2 American Flyer Item No. Description List Price My Price (6-48036) NYC 2-8-2 Light Mikado $599.99 $520 (6-48725) NYC Caboose $49.99 $42 (6-49612) B&O Passenger Train $799.99 $690 (6-48965) B&O Passenger 2-car pack $119.99 $98 (6-48135) NYC Alco PA B-unit $149.99 $135 (6-48964) NYC Baggage Car $59.99 $48 (6-49811) #773 Oil Derrick $59.99 $49 (6-48349) Goofy Boxcar $54.99 $44 (6-48351) Donald Duck Boxcar $54.99 $44 (6-48353) 2003 AF Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $42 Credit card (Visa or Master Card) or 15 percent deposit required with order. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26612	From: Hall G	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: American Flyer O gauge for sale update

Subject: American Flyer O gauge for sale update: I posted the following message (bottom of this e-mail) a day back; wow what a response flooded with e-mails!!!! So talked with my friend and sorry have not had time to respond to everyone here is what we have thought might be easiest. When he has everything sorted out will get a detailed description and perhaps some photos if we can manage it and post it on a website. When we are ready will let the list know and give an e-mail address to contact direct if you want to bid on it. My friend considered using e-bay but says it seems rather too complicated. He just wants to clear out this estate, the gentleman was older and had a great and old train collection going back many years. So sorry just do not have time to respond to everyone that e-mailed cannot believe the interest here. Will let you all know in a week or 2 when the items are posted perhaps I can add some photos. Thanks for your interest the widow will appreciate it. Gordon Msg I posted a day back; A friend is clearing out some things from his friends estate. He has some old American Flyer O gauge?? If anyone is interested please contact me off list and I will pass your name along. Gordon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26613	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Remember Valley Forge?

Hi All, Exactly 10 years ago tomorrow many of us were at the NMRA/NASG joint convention in Valley Forge. It was the end of 3 years of attending monthly convention planning meetings for Charlie Leonard and I, on a weeknight IN Valley Forge. We had our 5 minutes of fame per meeting then went back to sleep. I really don't miss that at all. We owned EVERY hotel room for a 20-mile radius. Over 23,000 people came through the train show for the 2-1/2 days it was open to the public. The line to get in was over 1/4 of a mile to get in. Take a step back with me to the ole BIG SHOW on the edge of the battlefield. Of course, what most remember are the bussing problems. Every type of problem imaginable and some not, happened on a daily basis. The NMRA sued and eventually put the bus broker out of business. We had a requirement of over 100 coaches per day. It was BIG I tell you! I decided to go on a layout tour early in the week to see someone's PRR layout (surprise) before the NASG portion really started. One third of the bus was dropped off and the bus left. This was the leapfrog plan. Another bus was supposed to be 1/2 hour behind to pick us up and another drop off. I was the only person in a group of 20 people with a Valley Forge Express Convention Staff shirt on, left for dead for 2 1/2 hours on someone's lawn in 90+ degree weather because the pick up bus forgot about us. This was well before many had cell phones. Lynching me was not going to be an unscheduled convention event, though it was discussed more them once. Does anyone else have any stories to add? I remember all of this because of one of my handy Valley Forge Express Convention mug, which I designed the artwork, and still gets used daily for my 1 cup of tea at work. The wonderful Mark family toted them to conventions trying to sell the extra mugs from the NASG table before they gave up. Come to think of it, my mug has never seen the inside of a dishwasher in all that time. Oh well, it gives it character. (And a nice layer of residual tea film too!) Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26614	From: Arden Goehring	Date: 7/31/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Remember Valley Forge?

Yeah I missed several tours that I paid for and the NMRA never sent me my money back as promised, and I did apply. Standing disgusted with one stranded group we found a guy with a minivan or small motor home I forget exactly. I mugged a guide for his map and volunteered to navigate. None of us were from the area. Anyway we found every layout on that tour and salvaged one afternoon with a good time. I do not remember any of the layouts anymore. I think one was a club in its own-built building. Arden

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26615	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: Re: REMEMBER VALLEY FORGE

I only remember the 1993 Saturday National Train Show. I still had an American Flyer layout at home and was hoping to meet some local S gauge people. I was in that 1/4 mile line of people.When I asked around the show I was directed to a corner where I saw some new heavyweight cars. Where was the NASG and any representatives. I went through the whole show bought some Flyer stuff from dealers and joined the HO group known as NMRA where I floundered for three years til a local dealer told me anout the NASG. I am so busy now with architecture that I am not sure how I can work with the NMRA on the 2006 convention. Also it will take over a 1 hour bus ride to get out of center city Phila. to find any S gauge layouts. Not much fun on a hot summer day. Glenn Bill Lane wrote: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:57:57 -0400 From: "Bill Lane" <billlane@...> Subject: Remember Valley Forge? Hi All, Exactly 10 years ago tomorrow many of us were at the NMRA/NASG joint convention in Valley Forge. It was the end of 3 years of attending monthly convention planning meetings for Charlie Leonard and I, on a weeknight IN Valley Forge. We had our 5 minutes of fame per meeting then went back to sleep. I really don't miss that at all. We owned EVERY hotel room for a 20-mile radius. Over 23,000 people came through the train show for the 2-1/2 days it was open to the public. The line to get in was over 1/4 of a mile to get in. Take a step back with me to the ole BIG SHOW on the edge of the battlefield. Of course, what most remember are the bussing problems. Every type of problem imaginable and some not, happened on a daily basis. The NMRA sued and eventually put the bus broker out of business. We had a requirement of over 100 coaches per day. It was BIG I tell you! I decided to go on a layout tour early in the week to see someone's PRR layout (surprise) before the NASG portion really started. One third of the bus was dropped off and the bus left. This was the leapfrog plan. Another bus was supposed to be 1/2 hour behind to pick us up and another drop off. I was the only person in a group of 20 people with a Valley Forge Express Convention Staff shirt on, left for dead for 2 1/2 hours on someone's lawn in 90+ degree weather because the pick up bus forgot about us. This was well before many had cell phones. Lynching me was not going to be an unscheduled convention event, though it was discussed more them once. Does anyone else have any stories to add? I remember all of this because of one of my handy Valley Forge Express Convention mug, which I designed the artwork, and still gets used daily for my 1 cup of tea at work. The wonderful Mark family toted them to conventions trying to sell the extra mugs from the NASG table before they gave up. Come to think of it, my mug has never seen the inside of a dishwasher in all that time. Oh well, it gives it character. (And a nice layer of residual tea film too!) Thanks Bill ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:35:07 -0700 From: "Arden Goehring" <arden@...> Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Remember Valley Forge? Yeah I missed several tours that I paid for and the NMRA never sent me my money back as promised, and I did apply. Standing disgusted with one stranded group we found a guy with a minivan or small motor home I forget exactly. I mugged a guide for his map and volunteered to navigate. None of us were from the area. Anyway we found every layout on that tour and salvaged one afternoon with a good time. I do not remember any of the layouts anymore. I think one was a club in its own-built building. Arden

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26616	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: Fw: Trains

As I distributed my e-mail to "Toy Farmer" to the lists, I thought some might be interested in the response I received. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Hegvik" <chegvik@...> To: <bestofshow@...> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: Trains > Dear Mr. Evans > As Editorial Assistant, I answer correspond. However, I am not one of > the most knowledgeable staff people about trains. > As copy editor, here is my spin. In the layouts of Robert Mason and > Steve Tencza, I thought the trains were a small part of the story, so I and > the two proofreaders didn't find the inconsistencies. I agree the Dick > Seitz' story was about trains, even though the main issue was building > elevators. But, still we took the information he gave as truth. > Cathy Scheibe really stresses that we are not a train magazine, because > there are several magazines devoted to just trains. I debated about even > publishing the Seitz story because of the slant to trains. > We would be willing to publish a letter from you about the different > scales in hobby trains. The e-mail you sent is very detailed, and we > wouldn't like to print specific people and their inconsistencies, as that > targets their knowledge. Most of the layout people just want to have fun. > Again, we do try to stay away from trains, because that is a whole > different hobby. > Cheryl from Toy Farmer >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26617	From: John Huster	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: Older American Flyer By Lionel For Sale

I have some older American Flyer By Lionel inventory for sale as listed below. All items are New In Box unless otherwise stated. If you see an item listed twice, it means I have more than one. I am also offering a list of older SHS Rolling Stock e-mailed seperatly. Shipping is $6 for the first freight car and $2 for each additional car. Locos are $10 for the first and $5 for each additional Loco. Free shipping on orders that total over $250 in merchandise. All items subject to previous sale. First come first serve. Please contact me off list if you see something you want. john@... If you contact me by phone and happen to get the voice mail, Pleqase leave a message telling what you want. In the event 2 people calle for one item, the time stamp on the message will determine who called first. I accept credit cards. (MC, Visa & Discover) American Flyer Locomotives & Cabooses 8458 Southern GP-9 - $160 48000 Southern Paacific GP-9 - $160 48009 GM Silver GP-7 - $160 One coupler weight is loose 48014 Northern Pacific GP-9 - $200 48014 Northern Pacific GP-9 - Both for 48711 Northern Pacific Caboose - $260 48010 Milwaukee EP-5 Electric - $200 48020 Milwaukee GP-9 - $200 American Flyer Passenger Car 9505 ERIE Passenger Coach - $65 9505 ERIE Passenger Coach - $65 48901 C&O Coach - $65 48901 C&O Coach - $65 48901 C&O Coach - $65 48912 Missouri Pacific Coach - $45 48914 Missouri Pacific Coach - $45 48925 Northern Pacific Extra Coach - $45 American Flyer Tank Cars 48222 British Columbia Yellow Tank Car - $100 48400 Southern Pacific Tank Car - $25 48402 Penn Salt Tank Car - Like New / OB - $75 48403 British Columbia Tank Car - $55 48404 U. S. Army Tank Car - $45 48408 Sunoco Tank Car - $40 American Flyer Freight Cars 9393 Southern Gondold w/Red Cannisters - $20 48307 Brown WP Box Car - $35 48525 Red Burlington Gondola - $40 48619 U P Hopper - $45 48320 NKP Box Car - $40 48317 RATH Refer - $35 48317 RATH Refer - $35 48602 ERIE Covered Hopper - $25 48609 D & H Covered Hopper - $25 Happy Hunting, John Huster john@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26618	From: John Huster	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: Older SHS For Sale

I have some older SHS inventory for sale as listed below. All items are New In Box unless otherwise stated. If you see an item listed twice, it means I have more than one. I will also be offering a list of AF by Lionel. Shipping is $6 for the first freight car and $2 for each additional car. Locos are $10 for the first and $5 for each additional Loco. Free shipping on orders that total over $250 in trains. All items subject to previous sale. First come first serve. Please contact me off list if you see something you want. john@... If you contact me by phone and happen to get the voice mail, Pleqase leave a message telling what you want. In the event 2 people calle for one item, the time stamp on the message will determine who called first. I accept credit cards. (MC, Visa & Discover) SHS Reefers New In Box List Price is $43 Each 00490 LV #2 - $35 00498 Dark Yellow PFE #1 - $35 00499 Dark Yellow PFE #2 - $35 00515 Zion Figs - $43 00515 Zion Figs - $43 00526 IGA Reefer #2 - $35 00572 Ralston - $35 00573 BAR #1 - $35 00574 BAR #2 - $35 00611 Kahn¹s #2 - $35 00699 CNR #1 - $35 00699 CNR #1 - $35 00700 CNR #2 - $35 01007 Schlitz Beer Reefer - $35 01007 Schlitz Beer Reefer - $35 01017 Century Beer Reefer - $43 01017 Century Beer Reefer - $43 SHS Re-Built Box Cars New In Box List Price is $40 Each 575 Missouri Pacific (NOT&M) Rebuilt Box Car #1 - $35 575 Missouri Pacific (NOT&M) Rebuilt Box Car #1 - $35 576 Missouri Pacific (NOT&M) Rebuilt Box Car #2 - $35 576 Missouri Pacific (NOT&M) Rebuilt Box Car #2 - $35 661 Pennsylvania Railroad Red Ball Logo Rebuilt Box Car - $35 661 Pennsylvania Railroad Red Ball Logo Rebuilt Box Car - $35 661 Pennsylvania Railroad Red Ball Logo Rebuilt Box Car - $35 01008 MP Eagle Service Rebuilt #1 (Or #5) - $35 01009 MP Eagle Service Rebuilt #2 (Or #6) - $35 S Helper Service Locomotives & Cabooses Condition Retail 430 D&RGW SW-9 #1 NIB - $150 431 D&RGW SW-9 #2 NIB - $150 439 Boston & Maine SW-1 #1 NIB - $175 440 Boston & Maine SW-1 #2 NIB - $175 451 Seaboard SW-1 NIB - $150 451 Seaboard SW-1 NIB - $150 242 Seaboard Caboose NIB-$55 225 Chessie Caboose NIB - $60 223 Burlington Caboose NIB - $55 Accessories 9119 MTH / AF 787 Log Loader NIB - $125 9119 MTH / AF 787 Log Loader NIB - $125 Happy Hunting, John Huster john@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26619	From: John Huster	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: New Southwind Models EM-1 For Sale-$2,500

I have a Southwind Models B&O EM-1 for sale at the pre-order price of $2,500 + shipping. All boxes & paper included. It has been displayed but never run by me. I bought it because I love articulated's. The thing is gorgeous but I am an AF type of guy and it just doesn't fit with the rest of my stuff. The buyer and I will need to discuss shipping. Please contact me off list if your interested. The Southwind Website is: www.southwindmodels.com Thank you, John Huster john@... PS I also have some older SHS Freight for sale on a separate e-mail.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26620	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/1/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 3, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26621	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: Access to Yahoo Groups Pictures and Files

I just got a notice from YahooGroups about several changes in Group setup. The only one that might effect you folks is... "- Files and Photos: Groups web membership will be required to access a group's Files and Photos areas." In other words only 'Members' will be able to view the pictures and files contained in that group. This does not involve the pictures saved in my Photo Album at http://S-Scale.org/albums/ PS- I will be on vacation next week. If you need help with S-Trains group contact David Dewey. For help with S-Scale group contact Ted Larson. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26622	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: Boley

I have purchased some of these animals. They might be very slightly smaller than some of my ERTL 1/64th scale animals. http://www.boleycorp.com/1-87/products/animal.html -- Ted Larson http://sbarch.cob.rit.edu/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26623	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: Blatant Ad--Make Me An Offer

I don't really know what I have here, but it's been taking up space in my garage for some time now. I just know someone will lust after it. So, make me an offer I can't refuse + $6 for the USPS. I have eight pieces of Code 125 track. Each piece is 36" long. The rail is brass, or at least, that's what it appears to be. The ties are some sort of bake-a-lite or pressed paper. They are very very durable. This is not flex-track by my definition, but I guess if Mighty Joe Young lives next door to you, he might be able to "flex" it. This stuff would be excellent for a hidden layout portion. The reason I'm putting this stuff out now is that before last night I've never owned a box that would be appropriate for its transport. Got one now. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26624	From: TCS	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: heh all!!

I just discovered this, if you have a Yahoo ID and password, you can upload your photos to: http://photos.yahoo.com/ Space is 30mb, then you can email your friends and tell them you uploaded some pics. Or just use the files area of the groups you belong to. TCS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26626	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: Fw: Blatant Ad--Make Me An Offer

Original Message > > I have eight pieces of Code 125 track. Each piece is 36" long. > The rail is brass, or at least, that's what it appears to be. The > ties are some sort of bake-a-lite or pressed paper. They are very > very durable. This is not flex-track by my definition, but I guess if > Mighty Joe Young lives next door to you, he might be able to "flex" > it. This stuff would be excellent for a hidden layout portion. Response to Original Message > Sounds like the early miller stuff, check the gauge. I'll bet it > isn't to any standard. > RUSTY GUYS: Rusty is right about this track. Don't know if it's Miller or not, but it doesn't check out with my NASG standards gauge. Just a tad too narrow. Calipers show it about .875" which is less than the NASG standard minimum of .883". Since it's Code 125, it might work with some AF though. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26627	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: Re: Access to Yahoo Groups Pictures and Files

Dave's not here, man! (A Chech & Chong line, I couldn't resist!) BTW, word just out from the Portola RR museum: "In an announcement made public on Aug 2, 2003, the Feather River Rail Society at Portola, CA and the Western Railway Museum at Rio Vista Jct. CA. approved a trade of equipment that will enhance both museums equipment rosters and allow both organizations to more closely follow their respective Mission Statements. Equipment going to the Western Railway Museum from the Feather River Rail Society includes; Sacramento Northern 44 tonner 146, Sacramento Northern wood cupola caboose 1632, Salt Lake, Garfield and Western 44 tonner DS-2, Western Pacific maintenance of way flat car 8522, Fairmont Speeder Crane, Wood push car, and a Ballast car for later delivery. Also included will be extra parts for the 44 tonners and one 85 lb. spring frog. General Electric built Sacramento Northern 146 in November 1946. After being retired by the Sacramento Northern it was sold to Chrome Crankshaft who sold it to the NW Oklahoma Railroad as their number 1 in April 1974. The Feather River Rail Society purchased the locomotive with the intent to restore it. Sacramento Northern caboose 1632 was re-built from a box car by Western Pacific in the company shops at Sacramento in 1938. It was removed from train service in the 1970s and was assigned to maintenance of way service with wreck train 37 based in Oroville, CA. Equipment going to the Feather River Rail Society from the Western Railway Museum includes; Western Pacific F7a 917-D, Sacramento Northern GP7 712, TTX trailer flat 475127 with two hitches, Amtrak steam generator 662 converted from an F3b, Union Pacific steel caboose 25732, Western Pacific steel caboose 483, United States Navy MRS-1's 612 and 614, and the maintenance building frame from the New Melones Dam project. This trade will bring F7A 917-D together again with sister 921-D at Portola, CA. This gives the FRRS the distinction of having two of the remaining "Fabulous Four" F7's. Released by EMD on January 26, 1950 F7A 917-D, serial number 8971, was received by the Western Pacific on February 4, 1950. She was renumbered to 917 on July 1, 1975. The 917 was repainted back to WP's original orange and silver scheme by the Union Pacific at North Platte, Nebraska in July 1983 and donated to the Bay Area Electric Railway Association. It had been displayed at the Western Railway Museum at Rio Vista Junction, California being delivered to them on October 15, 1983 after track repairs were completed to allow movement over the unused branch that connects to the museum's own trackage. Once on the property the 917-D will receive an initial inspection and any repairs necessary to place the unit in service. The 921-D will then be removed from service for needed maintenance, restoration and painting. The 712 will also receive an initial inspection and repairs necessary to put that unit into service. Meanwhile the search is on for two twenty-foot trailers to place on the TTX flat car for a display of early TOFC loadings. With the addition of WP caboose 483 we now have the sister to 484 and a fairly complete representation of the WP's caboose fleet. Bill Kluver, speaking on behalf of BAERA, said, "We're really pleased to have joined with FRRS in this historic trade agreement that allows both ourselves and our colleagues in Portola to better fulfill our respective mission statements. The agreement also reflects our mutual commitment to ARM's "Recommended Practices for Railway Museums." Rod McClure, speaking on behalf of FRRS, said, "This historic trade agreement allows both of our organizations to refine our core collections respective to each organizations goals. This follows our memberships directives to hone our collection and refocus on the preserving the Western Pacific's empire." I will admit I have mixed feelings about some of the equipment being traded off, but this is an interesting developement! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26628	From: Hall G	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: making your own decals

I have had some good success in making decals myself. There are several different blank decal papers on the market available for this using inkjet or laser jet printers. The key once printed is not to fold over or bend the thin film when laying on the surface or the ink will come off easy. I did some creation in my programs and printed on decal paper for inkjet printers. Also in past created image and printed on a fine white paper twice the size then took the laser jet paper down to a laser copy place and had them reduce by 50% this creates the final correct size and a very nice print. Only problem is color balance using someone elses printer. It is possible to get white lettering by using white decal paper, and putting surrounding color around to match the body work would take considerable work to get it to match body paint but if one were to weather would not notice difference! If doing something in white with a surrounding color of a different color this will work well however. Gordon! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26629	From: Hall G	Date: 8/2/2003
Subject: train pattern sheets/material?

Anyone know of a source for train sheets material or bed sheets?? I have the Thomas sheets as covers around the bottom of my layout to hide the junk underneath was looking for something else ? Train pattern or even Lionel ?? Anyone know a source at a good price? Thanks Gordon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26630	From: David	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Set Help

This is for an HO set. Anyone know the contents of set 30064?? Its a later Pike Master stye flip top Gilbert HO box clearly marked with that number. Thanks...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26631	From: hudsonman1088	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Boy Oh Boy industries

Hello all, this is Kenny Palmer from Boy Oh Boy industries. I am a 14 year old strating up a business to repair, retrofit, and install all of the new technologies of today in your S gauge equuipment. If you are interested in a FREE estimate or just for me to send one of my complete catalogs with a DCC installation listing. just send an e-mail and I will get you some infomation as soon as possible. i can also do DCC installation estimates over the net, just state the make, model, and typre of decoder you want installed(sound, motor only). Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26632	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: AF Steam & DCC Sound

Anyone out there installed DCC & sound in an AF steamer? If so, is there a way to disable the mechanical sound and still get the smoke to work properly? _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ======================================================== [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26633	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1960

We MAY have an opportunity to obtain a spot on the Fox News Network morning show with Steve, E.D. and Brian within the next two weeks. They would like to see an operating layout which would be out on the street in front of the studio early in the morning. As such, we are asking the S Guage world if there is a small but effective and well made layout available for this demonstration. We, of course, would love to see an S gauge layout used, but given the short notice, we would be open to all and any guage ideas. Robin and John Vanacore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26634	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Re: AF Steam & DCC Sound

Tom, You have to disassemble the smoke unit and lift out the black steel plate just in front of the cylinder. That's the "Chuff" producer. The smoke unit will work fine without it. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26635	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 3, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26636	From: John G	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: Re: train pattern sheets/material?

Try this web site. http://www.coparker.com/ Also, many fabric stores like Joanne Fabrics carry Xmas or winter scene fabric that may fit a layout. John Gasal --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Hall G <gh3716@y...> wrote: > Anyone know of a source for train sheets material or > bed sheets?? > > I have the Thomas sheets as covers around the bottom > of my layout to hide the junk underneath was looking > for something else ? > Train pattern or even Lionel ?? > Anyone know a source at a good price? > Thanks > Gordon > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26637	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/3/2003
Subject: More items on Ebay

Hi All, I have listed a few more items on Ebay. Please give a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3141106567&category=16509 &rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3141107755&category=16509 &rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3141111196&category=16509 &rd=1 Note to Ed L. They are 3 diesels if you want to take a quick peek! Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26638	From: Hall G	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale?

up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale? K-Line produced this loco for the O gauge market. It was reviewed recently in O gauge railroading price $399.95 The article states it is scaled to 1/64 scale other then the wheel gauge! Very well detailed. ??So would it be worth insulating and regauging the wheels to 1/64 scale?? Or is there something else in this style at a good price in S? Seems like a feasible project! Gordon Web site for engine; (you will have to copy all parts of link to get to this) http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/viewprd_new.cfm?prdID=FDADD940-ECF3-4D24-8F95E2BED9936704&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA90060B0576B82 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26639	From: Kenny.C.Palmer@phil.frb.org	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Re: up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale?

Gordon, The engine is quite close to S-scale and the detail while nice is not close to what American Models is doing today and I don't think close at all to what the new engines from S Helper and Lionel will be. Speaking to K-Line at the recent NASG Convention in Oconomowoc gives me the opinion that K-Line is very close to committing to produce the engine in S. I think they are still trying to gauge the market to see if it there is sufficient market to re-tool for S. If there is, I understand the price range would be somewhat in the area of the O engine, but I do not know for sure. Conversions to S have already been done by a few people -- I saw one in York in the Spring. He was not interested in doing more but hoped to convince K-Line there is a market for them in S. My advice if you like the engine is wait a while and see what K-Line is going to do. From what I have seen of the S Helper and Lionel samples, I'd get them first. I think they will be real keepers. Later, Kenny Palmer Hall G <gh3716@...> 08/04/2003 12:46 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com cc: Subject: [S-Trains] up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale? up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale? K-Line produced this loco for the O gauge market. It was reviewed recently in O gauge railroading price $399.95 The article states it is scaled to 1/64 scale other then the wheel gauge! Very well detailed. ??So would it be worth insulating and regauging the wheels to 1/64 scale?? Or is there something else in this style at a good price in S? Seems like a feasible project! Gordon Web site for engine; (you will have to copy all parts of link to get to this) http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/viewprd_new.cfm?prdID=FDADD940-ECF3-4D24-8F95E2BED9936704&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA90060B0576B82 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26640	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale?

The word at yesterday's local train meet was that K-Line was interested in hearing from people who wanted to see the Big Boy regauged for S. Apparently, the K folks are considering just such a thing. Cheers, Roy Inman ---------- > From: Hall G <gh3716@...> > Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:46:03 -0700 (PDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale? > > > ??So would it be worth insulating and regauging the > wheels to 1/64 scale?? > Or is there something else in this style at a good > price in S?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26641	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Jerry Rivet

I know that many of you know, or know of, Jerry Rivet (RSSVP Models). Jerry's well-recognized at NASG conventions, S-Fest, S-Spree, etc, with his colonial tri-corner hat! If you know Jerry, we want you to know that Jerry suffered a mild stroke this past week. He is hospitalized, but is progressing. He still has constant double-vision, but has no paralysis or speech loss. Some short-term memory loss.... If you know Jerry and care to send a card, he is at Lowell General Hospital Room 1126 295 Varnum Avenue Lowell, MA 01854 Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26642	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Re: up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale?

I thought they had decided to go ahead with it!!! Most of us had said yes....If the price is right....Are they now having second thoughts? Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Inman" <rinphoto@...> To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: FW: [S-Trains] up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale? > The word at yesterday's local train meet was that K-Line was interested in > hearing from people who wanted to see the Big Boy regauged for S. > Apparently, the K folks are considering just such a thing. > Cheers, > Roy Inman > > ---------- > > From: Hall G <gh3716@...> > > Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:46:03 -0700 (PDT) > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale? > > > > > > ??So would it be worth insulating and regauging the > > wheels to 1/64 scale?? > > Or is there something else in this style at a good > > price in S? > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26643	From: waldootten	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: More on K-Line Big Boy

I spoke with the K-Line rep in Oconomowoc, where they had a preliminary sign-up sheet going for those that had interest in buying a 4-8-8-4 to run on S-trackage. He said they needed 500 names to go ahead with it. He also said that the S version loco would have to be priced about $100 more than the current O-Gauge issue due to about $100,000 in retooling costs. So that would put it in the $500 range, right? I'm not sure the entire level of detail would make many of us happy. I've heard some criticism about the "simplistic" driving rods on the O model, although I have also heard scuttlebutt that K-Line was working to remedy this. If I like it, I'd probably buy one, though. My layout will be big enough so that it wouldn't dominate. Although my Atlantics might need some crisis counseling afterwards. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26644	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Help

Hi Folks Is the fellow or his son who won the MRC Prodigy DCC system at my clinic I had during the last NASG convention In Wisconsin on this list. Or if someone knows who it was please let me know. I need his Name and address for MRC and of course I lost it. Thanks John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26645	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1964

David: SET 30064 must be an uncataloged set, it is not listed in any of my books. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26646	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Should we be wary of this?

Hi all, I received this email tonight. It has a strange header format and sounds a little questionable. Has anyone opened the attachment? The file name has a weird format. I'm suspect. Thanks ...Barb (afb324) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26647	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Re: Should we be wary of this?

To All....I was away over the weekend...I came back...I had an e-mail from someone named, Scott I think, However my ANTI VIRUS caught the attachment and deleted it.....BE CAREFUL....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Should we be wary of this? > Hi all, I received this email tonight. It has a strange header > format and sounds a little questionable. > > Has anyone opened the attachment? The file name > has a weird format. I'm suspect. > > Thanks ...Barb (afb324) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26648	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/4/2003
Subject: Re: Should we be wary of this?

SORRY...iT WAS ABOUT A CAN MOTOR CONVERSION AND THE NAME WAS sCOTT...Sorry about my typing....I keep my virus updated almost daily....It caught it....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Should we be wary of this? > Hi all, I received this email tonight. It has a strange header > format and sounds a little questionable. > > Has anyone opened the attachment? The file name > has a weird format. I'm suspect. > > Thanks ...Barb (afb324) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26649	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Re: making your own decals

Gordon, where would I find a economical decal paper to try with my mid line Canon inkjet printer, thanks Mike (formerly traindoctor2003 until my pc crashed!) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Hall G <gh3716@y...> wrote: > I have had some good success in making decals myself. > There are several different blank decal papers on the > market available for this using inkjet or laser jet > printers. > The key once printed is not to fold over or bend the > thin film when laying on the surface or the ink will > come off easy. > > I did some creation in my programs and printed on > decal paper for inkjet printers. > Also in past created image and printed on a fine white > paper twice the size then took the laser jet paper > down to a laser copy place and had them reduce by 50% > this creates the final correct size and a very nice > print. > Only problem is color balance using someone elses > printer. > > It is possible to get white lettering by using white > decal paper, and putting surrounding color around to > match the body work would take considerable work to > get it to match body paint but if one were to weather > would not notice difference! > If doing something in white with a surrounding color > of a different color this will work well however. > > Gordon! > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26650	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Re: train pattern sheets/material?

Gordon, for my layout, my wife got me four large plastic tablecloths from the 'dollar store', folded them longwise to 'sweep' the floor and tacked them onto the sides with some nice brass thumbtacks and used a 'velcro' strip to allow me to get to my pullout tranny and switchboard shelf. The set runs a large 'L' pattern (two 4x8 sheets of homosote) in a corner of our basement, this covered up all the wires and stuff underneath quite nicely and allowed a convenient 'fold back' in between overlapping covers for easy access to any point under the table for storage or wiring changes. The table cloths are very cheap and come in many colors. Mike --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Hall G <gh3716@y...> wrote: > Anyone know of a source for train sheets material or > bed sheets?? > > I have the Thomas sheets as covers around the bottom > of my layout to hide the junk underneath was looking > for something else ? > Train pattern or even Lionel ?? > Anyone know a source at a good price? > Thanks > Gordon > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26651	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: K-Line Big Boy

Gordon Hall wrote: >Subject: up 4-8-8-4 Big Boy in S scale? > >K-Line produced this loco for the O gauge market. >It was reviewed recently in O gauge railroading price >$399.95 The article states it is scaled to 1/64 >scale other then the wheel gauge! Very well detailed. > >??So would it be worth insulating and regauging the >wheels to 1/64 scale?? >Or is there something else in this style at a good >price in S? > >Seems like a feasible project! >Gordon I spoke with Nick Ladd, the K-Line Director of Marketing, this past Saturday. This project is still on hold. Apparently, the initial; costs for re-tooling this engine for S gauge may be higher than anticipated. It is not a done deal. Stay tuned. In the next K-Line offering of retooled Marx 3/16 inch cars expect to see more boxcars, some cabeese, and a drop center flatcar. This latter item should be exciting, especially since it can be easily kitbashed and changed with such a low price. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26652	From: hudsonman1088	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: smoke units?

Does anyone know how to gear the AF smoke unit to 2 chuffs per revolution. instead of the usual 1 puff for 1 revoulution of the drivers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26653	From: Hall G	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Decal paper/Big Boy/skirting for layout

Replying to a few things here from past posts and responses; For making your own decals I have posted some links at the bottom of places that sell the paper and also instructions detailed for making your own decals at bottom of page. (You have to copy all the bits of each address into your browser to get the complete link.) On the Big Boy O gauge conversion, or a new one from K-Line. I guess my point was cheap the price for the current one is $399 if you can still find it and cost of conversion. While this is not an exact scale rendering and others on the market are. If K-Line were to produce this in S or one were to do the work themselves to regauge it is still going to be by far cheaper then a full scale version on the market. If you are running "Toy style trains" then this is good value. For a scale person a $1000 or 2 more for a true scale version might not be an issue. S certainly seems to be growing, so interesting on whom is coming into the market to respond K-Line would be good for the scale to add another option. On skirting thanks for the suggestion. Currently I have some plastic skirting from a train show display on one side and the other side the sheets of my kids beds when they were younger with the Thomas the Tank engine theme. Would love to find some material in a different train theme to replace the plastic skirting some getting torn on the other side. Thanks for reponses; Gordon Hall Decal paper links; http://www.decalpaper.com/ http://www.papilio.com/inkjet%20waterslide%20decal%20transfer%20paper%20media.html http://www.micromark.com/decal_instruction.html http://www.micromark.com/ http://www.wiringfordcc.com/decals.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26654	From: hgetrain	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units?

I am in the process of modifying an AF 4-8-4 Northern smoke unit to produce approximately 2 chuffs per revolution. The modification involves replacing existing smoke drive worm gear with a new gear with half the number of teeth. To allow the new gear to mesh properly with the worm, I am building a brass bracket which holds the new gear and connects to the locomotive frame using the same hole the old worm gear stud used. You also need to provide a way to attach the smoke unit piston lever to the new gear. This can be as simple as drilling and threading a hole in the outer edge of the gear. This method has a disadvantage in that the piston stroke will be shorter than before and the puffing and choo-choo will be weaker. I hope to overcome this problem by mounting the piston lever to another bracket, attached firmly to the gear and extending beyond the diameter of the gear, which will lengthen the stroke of the piston. Sorry I do not have a diagram of the modification or the part number for the gear handy. I will try to locate this info and will provide it to anyone interested. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hudsonman1088" <kennypalmer@s...> wrote: > Does anyone know how to gear the AF smoke unit to 2 chuffs per > revolution. instead of the usual 1 puff for 1 revoulution of the > drivers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26655	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units?

In a message dated 8/5/03 12:06:25 PM, kennypalmer@... writes: << Does anyone know how to gear the AF smoke unit to 2 chuffs per revolution. instead of the usual 1 puff for 1 revolution of the drivers. >> Kenny, You can follow a suggestion along the lines of Harry's post (See above). However, you can acquire a love for smoke-in-tender steamers from 1946-47. Because the motor is smaller and rotates more rapidly than the motor in the loco, one can manage 2 to 3 chuffs/rev. depending upon speed. SIT engines also smoke in neutral and those engines with tenders fitted with a piston in place of the bellows will dependably out smoke most other postwar toy trains. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26656	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units?

WOW, you must really like a smoke filled basment! Sorry, my experience with smoke units is.........good chug in/good chug out. However, you can get a 'lionel' type 18 volt supply for cheap.........even better would be a good old AF 18B tranny to increase standard chug capacity. Like any good little engine, you must inhale before you exhale. Smoke cylinders are a 'push-in push-out device. Since the smoke unit must draw air on its intake stroke.... Well, the smoke unit must purge air volume on its expulsion stroke. This gives a 'two stroke' kind of performance You could though, have a set up to run two trains and therefore double your smoke output. You could have one smoke unit in the engine///////////// and the other smoke unit in the tender. Of course you will need drive the engine and the tender smoke motors at the same time.... Actually, if you get a pair of real chugghers like a 302/290 you will have a house full of smoke. So full of smoke that you may request a"stop" to the problem. In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hudsonman1088" <kennypalmer@s...> wrote: > Does anyone know how to gear the AF smoke unit to 2 chuffs per > revolution. instead of the usual 1 puff for 1 revoulution of the > drivers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26657	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: Ebay cancel auction

I am just curious if anyone had placed a bid for the 21129 Hudson on Ebay, that was taken off from bid. There was no explanation, on why the auction for the 2112 was ended, and I was curious, as to how much it would go for, since I do have a 21129. It did have 3 reglued steps on the tender and there was a "buy it now" for 1350.00, but a reserve price lower than that. Mine has two steps on it that are not broken and I have the boxes, as this one did not have the boxes. Not trying to start anything with the owner, just curious if anyone here on the list had placed a bid, as there was 8 bids, and if you were told why it was cancel. Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26658	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/5/2003
Subject: MODEL TRAIN RUBBER ROADBED

Carl, Go to Johnson's website: http://www.roadbed.net/ and there is a link for dealers. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26660	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Re: Ebay cancel auction

Hi David, No, I did a search for 21129, which brings up any item with 21129 in a bid and it did not come up. He also had other AF items, the 25052 caboose, several Overland passenger cars and 2 Western MD hoppers. All gone. He did say that he was selling these things for his Dad, as I think they he was doing AF items, as a one time item for him. Maybe the father or he has a change of mind on the auction or something happen in the family. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <Dave0616@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay cancel auction > Was this item relisted then canceled right away? I see the auction > ended without meeting reserve, all bids still show. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3140404881&category=480 > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26661	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Re: Piedmont & Northern box cab drawings.

Dear David: Thank you for your response. I have dealt with Kalmbach before. Kalmbach's restrictions relate to re-printing but there are no restrictions regarding using the drawings in manufacturing and model making. If fact, they explicitly state this. At the National Association of S Gauger's convention in Oconomowoc, WI on July 11, 2003, I was taking to Fred and Dolores Rouse of S Scale Loco & Supply ( http://www.sscaleloco.com/motive <http://www.sscaleloco.com/motive> ). Fred is interested in doing a small electric, preferably a box cab. The Piedmont and Northern box cabs are a fairly generic box cab with good drawings already available. One of them survives: 5103 is at the North Carolina Transportation Museum in Spencer. This loco also has two trolley poles plus a pantograph so it will run under any type of overhead. (I run pantograph only.) This is the very early stages of the project. However, the first step in any commercial modeling project is to get the needed permissions to create the models. Now that I have them for these drawings, I can send the packet of information I have created to Fred. (I will probably mail this today.) IF this project goes any further, I will keep you and the list informed. Thorin (First Name) Marty (Last Name) -----Original Message----- From: David L.Waddington Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:23 PM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: (no subject) Marty: Loco drawings in Piedmont & Northern book were done by me. Don Duke had one time publication rights, and about a year after the book was published I sold the originals to Kalmbach for publication in Model Railroader. My experience has been that neither Don or Kalmbach cared about any restrictions on subsequent use for commercial model production or import. It's O.K. with me. would very much appreciate the opportunity to acquire one model at your cost, but won't send any lawyers after you if you don't. I sent O scale size reproducibles of many of my drawings later to UNderground Railway Press, to sell prints on a royalty basis. The P & N box cab may have been among them. Regards, David L.Waddington. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26662	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: K-Line Big Boy, Command Control

Hey, gang: Just A few words on the K-Line S-motive power potential-the Big Boy, in 0, with Railsounds, is a great runner and looker. It runs well on a 30B transformer-BUT i recently Installed a ZW for my 0 ga loops, and WOW what a difference it makes! The extra 3 volts DO make a HUGE difference in performance.If it - and any K-line or new Lionel AF motive power- are built with 0 type motors, IHMO one should contemplate using a ZW. I'd be concerned about bulbs melting the shells on my beloved Gilbert passenger and deisel stock-Doug Peck should have higher rated bulbs, tho'. The nice thing about being a multi-gager is the ability to see what the industry is doing gimmick-wise, and i personally like CC and RS. By no means am i ever updating my Gilbert trains-contrast and compare is a favorite passtime here-but we should consider more voltage if we'[re going to get the most out of any new L-Flyer or K-Line- j marganski __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26663	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Chicago/Lake Michigan sites

I'm going to Chicago in September and I wondered what sites are good to see, train related or otherwise. Anything around Lake Michigan? Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26664	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Re: Chicago/Lake Michigan sites

Hi Peter, As featured in the 06/03 issue of Model Railroader, the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago is a must see. Although it is HO scale, it measures 3,500 sq. ft. and cost $3.5 million to build. Would be worth the trip for me. It's at 57th St. and Lake Shore Dr. It's open everyday except 12/25 from 9:30 to 4:00 Mon. thru Sat. and 11:00 to 4:00 on Sunday. You can call at 773-684-1414 or go to www.msichicago.org Have fun and send us a report if you go ...Barb Peter Ervin wrote: > I'm going to Chicago in September and I wondered what sites are good to > see, train related or otherwise. Anything around Lake Michigan? > > Peter Ervin > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26665	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: [S] Groups getting kids involved in the hobby

Hi Everyone: I've started to gather old beaten up "Cabeese." I'll paint them the colors of the rainbow, put them in a small railroad yard and teach my grandsons 7 granddaughter to put them in proper order. I will use watercolors so the cars are not ruined. Hopefully this will encourage them to become "model railroaders." Does anyone else have ideas similar to this that I could use to encourage the children? Thanks! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26666	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Decals, printers etc.

Thanks for all the info on doing decals and printers. Once I get through it all, I'll be an expert I hope. Chris Burger Dayton, Ohio 45403 NASG TCA MVSG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26667	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Re: [S] Groups getting kids involved in the hobby

Kidz n traynz?? (sorry, i had no will power to resist the streey lingo)- I've been getting the message out at my library every December-ASK YOUR LIBRARY IF A CHRISTMAS LAYOUT IS SOMETHING THEY WOULD CONSIDER!!!! A club could do this as well as I can, fer sure. I set up a small village with ceramic, winter themed buildings,run a loop of track with a passing siding, and every Saturday have a show, running different trains. Kids in VT need to be told what a billboard is, but they love making it whistle! I theme my display to decades and gages-week 1 is Standard gage, week 2 is 0, tinplate and postwar and a few modern, week 3 is A.C. Gilbert Flyer. It's been a big hit here, and people are asking me already if i'll do it again. I am thinking about a weekly "lottery", the winners can come over to da house and play with my layout-well, if I ever get it landscaped. Try it in YOUR town!!-j marganski __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26668	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Re: Chicago/Lake Michigan sites

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:12:55 -0400, Peter Ervin wrote: >Chicago A friend took me to a monthly train sale at the DuPage County Fairground once, that was neat. Catch the right time of the month and it would be worth the visit. >Anything around Lake Michigan? I-94 towards Kalamazoo catch the "I Love Toy Trains" store in New Buffalo, a train shop in Watervliet (Has some AF), Train Barn in Portage. Heston steam train is also near New Buffalo. That's a start... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26669	From: Joe Fariello	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Fw: Please read for possible virus -follow up.

----- Original Message ----- From: <bmalinc@...> To: "Joe Fariello" <smaster636@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Please read for possible virus > This is not a virus and should only be considered a threat if the icon of the jdbgmgr.exe file looks like a bear. The real virus dosn't look like a bear. Norton and I'm sure other virus protection software have safeguards against the virus. This file is part of the windows OS, not a required file, but it is suposed to be there. Deleting it will not damage the system, but it may impare functionality later on. > > > > Brian Malinconico > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26670	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: A&W

I'm ready to start my Port Lines Hobby A&W root beer stand kit. The flat stock provided for walls apparently presumes plywood construction. Does anybody know if this is correct? My very faint memory says the walls may have been vertical tongue and groove???? S-trains people, please cc me directly on any replies that you send to the list. Thanks -- Ted Larson http://sbarch.cob.rit.edu/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26671	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: LAF steamer

To the list, I have not seen this posted, but if it has been, please forgive the repetition: In the current Lionel catalog that lists the Mikado steamer, the forward by CEO Wm. Bracy says, in part , "...the unveiling of the Mikado, the first entry in a line of scale-detailed hi-rail steamers for AF aficionados." (Bold type mine.) So, that would indicate the Mikado is merely the first of several steamers, I guess. Cheers, Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26672	From: TCS	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: Fw: modelers showcase

Group, Tonight I create a new page on my Oddballs Decals web site. http://members.tripod.com/mopac1/models.html They are some photos from Kurt Stroer and photos from Bill Wehmeiers Layout. Now if you would like to see your models or layout on the page, all you have to do is send me a sharp photo of it. Background and foreground must be in focus along with the subject. Also some scenery should be added. Be it a layout or diorama. Try not to make it any bigger than 250mb, as the photo will be resize anyway. Send me the photos one at a time, that way my ISP won't time out on me. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/ Missouri Pacific Historical Society meet Oct. 10th, 11th and 12th, 2003. http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/MoPac5.htm Subscribe: MoPac_Modeling-subscribe@yahoogroups.com --- ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26673	From: TCS	Date: 8/6/2003
Subject: modelers showcase

Group, Tonight I create a new page on my Oddballs Decals web site. http://members.tripod.com/mopac1/models.html They are some photos from Kurt Stroer and photos from Bill Wehmeiers Layout. Now if you would like to see your models or layout on the page, all you have to do is send me a sharp photo of it. Background and foreground must be in focus along with the subject. Also some scenery should be added. Be it a layout or diorama. Try not to make it any bigger than 250mb, as the photo will be resize anyway. Send me the photos one at a time, that way my ISP won't time out on me. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/ Missouri Pacific Historical Society meet Oct. 10th, 11th and 12th, 2003. http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/MoPac5.htm Subscribe: MoPac_Modeling-subscribe@yahoogroups.com --- ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26674	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Johnson Roadbed

Heard someone was looking for roadbed. I have Rick Johnson's S gauge roadbed in stock-straight/regular curve/wide curve. See the track page at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26675	From: TCS	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Re: [FC] modelers showcase

yes, my mistake, that what happens when I post stuff late at night, make it 250 kb Tom Tom, Surely you meant to write 250 kB, right? In a message dated 8/7/03 12:02:45 AM, mopac@... writes: Try not to make it any bigger than 250mb, as the photo will be resize anyway. Send me the photos one at a time, that way my ISP won't time out on me. Visit my web page at www.oddballsdecals.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: OddballsDecals-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26676	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Re: [S] Groups getting kids involved in the hobby

Hi Everyone, Bill and John gave me permission to share their most excellent ideas with the NASG membership. Now that this thread is started, I hope that we can all share some other ideas and suggestions that you folks have on spreading the message about model railroading (in S of course) with our youngsters. Posting your ideas would be great so they could be shared on this list, but off-line emails would be appreciated too. Thanks, Roy Hoffman NASG Pres rhoffman@... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WEG138@a... wrote: > Hi Everyone: > I've started to gather old beaten up "Cabeese." I'll paint them the > colors of the rainbow, put them in a small railroad yard and teach my grandsons 7 > granddaughter to put them in proper order. I will use watercolors so the cars > are not ruined. Hopefully this will encourage them to become "model > railroaders." > Does anyone else have ideas similar to this that I could use to > encourage the children? Thanks! > > Bill Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26677	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1967

As long as you're at the Museum be sure to see the Zephyr. It's located right inside the front door. Go early, the lines can get long for this one. John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26678	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Alco A unit shell and GP-7 sideframes with coupler mounts

Good Afternoon all, Looking for a couple things, well maybe three things, First looking for a AF Alco A unit shell that at least the cab and nose are ok, behind the cab door can be damaged..Second looking for a pair of AF GP-7 sideframes and truck mounting brackets with provisions for or with knuckle couplers. and third an AF two bay hopper shell, with one, at least good side, unbroken, the rest can be busted to thunder....On the second items I would even consider even the mounting brackets and coupler mounts without the side frames in place, just a thought. Thanks Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26679	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Re: Alco A unit shell and GP-7 sideframes with coupler mounts

Dear Gale, Here is a link to the GP-7 Side Frame Assembly complete with KC and pick-up shoe - we are working on the other items: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3131118572 If you get an opportunity, please check out our new Ebay Store at : http://GilbertGuru.com/ Thank you for your continued interest - we look forward to hearing from you again. Sincerely, Leonard D Salins P.O. Box 31538 Philadelphia, PA 19147 BluePrince@... 800-409-1909 http://GilbertGuru.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Alco A unit shell and GP-7 sideframes with coupler mounts > Good Afternoon all, > > Looking for a couple things, well maybe three things, First looking for a AF Alco A unit shell that at least the cab and nose are ok, behind the cab door can be damaged..Second looking for a pair of AF GP-7 sideframes and truck mounting brackets with provisions for or with knuckle couplers. and third an AF two bay hopper shell, with one, at least good side, unbroken, the rest can be busted to thunder....On the second items I would even consider even the mounting brackets and coupler mounts without the side frames in place, just a thought. > > Thanks > > Gale Hall > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26680	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: OLD PRICES

Look at the prices in 1966 for Flyer....... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3140852501&category=480 Bob Conner think I should have bought a few DOZEN DOMINO HOPPERS at .60 each...........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26681	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: 1966 PRICES

Look at the prices in 1966 for Flyer....... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3140852501&category=480 Bob Conner think I should have bought a few DOZEN DOMINO HOPPERS at .60 each...........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26682	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: worm

Got another worm tonight . An 87K attachment, "setup.exe" to an email from "Jjcantalupo", email entitled "W32 Elkern removal tools". Deleted it Don't these people get tired of this stuff??? Or is it just coming around and around again automatically? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26683	From: Karl Raab	Date: 8/7/2003
Subject: Searching for #40 Smoke kit

Good Evening All I've been trying to locate a #40 Smoke kit to add to a 5306T Silver Bullet Set. The #40 kit is suppose to contain a smoke capsule, funnel and a brush. I'm not sure if it's packed in an envelope (like the #25 Kit) or some kind of a box. Any assistance or info appreciated. Thanx...Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26684	From: Gerald Booker	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Track Trouble

I a conversation with an 'S' buddy I mentioned that my new layout would be located in a large room above a shop, that will only have heat when I will be working (or playing). My buddy said that when he lived in Mo. several operators had track buckling trouble with that type of heating arrangement. Mo. has humidity. I live in an area of Colorado where the humidity is very low. I think that the humidity and not just the temp alone may have been the reason these operators had track troubles. Our temperatures range from below freezing at night to 60 - 70 during the day in the winter. Could anybody give me more info. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26685	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: A.F. O scale Northern

I just purchased an A.F. O scale Northern 4-8-4 with pullman cars. I actually stole it for the price that I paid for it. I do not have enough room or a big enough radius to run the monster and was wandering if there was someone in the Indianapolis, IN area that would let me test run it. I just finished with all of the repairs and the poor thing is getting tired of going back and forth on a short piece of track. Thanks D. J. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26686	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Re: Track Trouble

It is HEAT and COLD that makes things expand and contract....Not Humidity....Real railroads have this problem....Look at England now...they have shut down there railroads due to extreme heat wave...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Booker" <ghbooker@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Track Trouble > I a conversation with an 'S' buddy I mentioned that my new layout would be located in a large room above a shop, that will only have heat when I will be working (or playing). > > My buddy said that when he lived in Mo. several operators had track buckling trouble with that type of heating arrangement. > Mo. has humidity. I live in an area of Colorado where the humidity is very low. I think that the humidity and not just the temp alone may have been the reason these operators had track troubles. > > Our temperatures range from below freezing at night to 60 - 70 during the day in the winter. > > Could anybody give me more info. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26687	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Re: A.F. O scale Northern

In a message dated 8/8/2003 8:25:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dawidjett@... writes: > I just purchased an A.F. O scale Northern 4-8-4 with pullman cars. I > actually stole it for the price that I paid for it. I do not have enough room or > a big enough radius to run the monster and was wandering if there was someone > in the Indianapolis, IN area that would let me test run it. Why not just buy some 0-42 curves and put an oval together on the carpet? Have fun. RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26688	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Re: Track Trouble

You are correct. Porous materials like wood, cardboard, and paper are bothered by humidity. Wood, especially, expands quite a bit in humid weather. That's why the doors in my house stick in the summer. On the other hand, steel track doesn't change with humidity, but it will expand when hot and contract when cold (but not a lot). You might be able to avoid buckling by making sure to lay the track in warm weather, or with the heat on. In that case it will already be expanded and won't get any bigger. Probably the worst thing would be to lay track in a cool, damp room and tack it down to the wood. Then when you turn the heat on, the room will become warmer and dryer. The heat will make the track expand, but the dryness will make the wood shrink. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Gerald Booker" <ghbooker@...> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track Trouble > It is HEAT and COLD that makes things expand and contract....Not > Humidity....Real railroads have this problem....Look at England now...they > have shut down there railroads due to extreme heat wave...Bob Conner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerald Booker" <ghbooker@...> > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 4:24 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Track Trouble > > > > I a conversation with an 'S' buddy I mentioned that my new layout would be > located in a large room above a shop, that will only have heat when I will > be working (or playing). > > > > My buddy said that when he lived in Mo. several operators had track > buckling trouble with that type of heating arrangement. > > Mo. has humidity. I live in an area of Colorado where the humidity is > very low. I think that the humidity and not just the temp alone may have > been the reason these operators had track troubles. > > > > Our temperatures range from below freezing at night to 60 - 70 during the > day in the winter. > > > > Could anybody give me more info. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26689	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Searching

Can anyone suggest where to look for diagrams showing the dimensions and location of items such as battery boxes carried between the trucks of passenger cars? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26690	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Re: Foam Scenery Modules

Carl, Thanks to share your great approach to 3-D elements in backdrop scenery. I will try the same. And the various wire shapes for foam carving are a great help. SteveJay.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26691	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Track Trouble and More

The range of temperatures will not only reek havoc on the track, but on the mechanisms (bearings)as well (read that as more power or current needed to move the train). The various metals and plastics expand and contract differently with changes in temperature. Oil and grease stiffens. And, due to the mass of the metal, there is a lag after the room warms up till the mechanism warms up. The track will definitely tend to expand and contract with the temperature swings. Experience in an unheated basement. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, Idaho ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26692	From: John Brockmann	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Loco Tips

What should be done to a loco that has sat on a shelf for awhile (not covered),say about six months, to get it running smoothly again? Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26693	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: ALCO/GEEP can motors

Just a reminder to all that the introductory price on the Can motor conversions for ALCO's and GEEP's expires on August 15. Just one week from today. We will honor all shipments postmarked by that date. Thanks to all of you that have imbibed so far. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26694	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Gene Fletcher

All, Sadly, I must tell you that Gene Fletcher has had a stroke. He is in Mid Coast Hospital, in Maine, where he is receiving only "comfort care" support. I just returned from a visit and can tell you he seems to respond to voices--but that is all. His family has plastered his room with pictures of his layout, railroad memorabilia, a few home made trees and even some AM Flyer. For those of you that have not had the pleasure to meet Gene, he is one of the original S gaugers. He is a founding member of The Bristol S Gaugers (in 1948) and worked with one of the early manufacturers of detail parts and kits, Mid Gage. Currently he is a member of The Maine S Gaugers, one of our true scale modelers. Cards and letters would be appreciated: Gene Fletcher 123 Medical Center Dr Brunswick ME 04011 Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26695	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: FOX

<<<-- WGH AMBASSADOR SLATED FOR FOX SHOW -- John Vanacore, co-owner of the Round Hill Store in Greenwich, Conn., and a World's Greatest Hobby ambassador, is tentatively scheduled to appear on Fox News Channel's morning program Fox & Friends on Thursday, Aug. 14. The cable show starts at 6 a.m. Eastern time and Vanacore's segment likely will run during the first hour; his segment will be from 1-1/2 to 3 minutes long and will be shot outside, weather permitting. If weather does not permit, the segment likely will move indoors to the show's Green Room. Though details were still being worked out at press time, Vanacore plans to demonstrate a couple of model railroading layouts and their various components, along with discussing the World's Greatest Hobby campaign and that the hobby is ageless. >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26696	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 10, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26697	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: fine tuning the MTH reproduction of log loader

I bought one of John Huster's MTH log loaders. He gave good quick service. The loader works fine. It is rather noisy, but what can you expect for 1950's technology. This loader uses a can motor so it probably is quieter than the ACG version. I do have a question for those of you who have one of these. The logs always drop just after they clear the edge of the loader. I do not think they will land in the car. I adjusted the trip bar (that tips the log holder) as far as it would go, but that was less than 1/8 inch. I see two options for making it tip later: shorten the bar or bent trip on the log hanger. (I have noticed that if I run it faster it throws the logs a little farther from the loader, but I don't like that solution.) Does anyone have recommendations? Thanks, Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26698	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: Bob Bubeck's Flyer layout....

http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album39 Found this link over at the OGR forum....photos of Bob Bubeck's Flyer layout. His name doesn't ring a bell,...is he a member here? Is my memory fading AGAIN??? :^) Hmmmm.....checking out his other photos,...his shelves and shelf labels looks like pics I have seen in CTT. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26699	From: butchclimax	Date: 8/8/2003
Subject: "Logs"

Hi All, Have read thru some of the old archives in search of "Log" size- (which for a 751 was determined to be 3/4 or 13/16 inch diameter) Many people refer to the 751 as huge, oversized or BIG. What I'm interested in is the Maximum LENGHT of the "log". I am thinking of using a 751 to load "pipe" (which was also located in the archives, but that person used the shorter length of 6 inch or so. Since the standard flat w/ stakes or the gondolas will handle the 9 inch length I was hoping a 751 would work. I do know it won't work at that 9 inch length on the 787 as I have one of those and the vertical shaft that drives the lift cam etc. gets in the way. Can someone with a 751 tell me the maximum "log" or pipe lenght that thing would handle? Thanks, Vic

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26700	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: Bob Bubeck's Flyer layout....

Bubeck = TM guide...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Bob Bubeck's Flyer layout.... > http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album39 > > Found this link over at the OGR forum....photos of Bob Bubeck's Flyer layout. His name doesn't ring a bell,...is he a member here? Is my memory fading AGAIN??? :^) > Hmmmm.....checking out his other photos,...his shelves and shelf labels looks like pics I have seen in CTT. > > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26701	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: passenger details

Courtesy of those who responded to my earlier query, I now know that there was an article on the under-body detailing of passenger cars in Railroad Model Craftsnan for April, 1995. Now all I have to do is get my hands on a copy. Thanks, Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26702	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: "Logs"

Looked at my old 751 log loader and the maximum length you could handle is 7.5". At that dimension I would need to be sure the wires are tucked close to the upright. (Wires come up left front upright.) Lifting and transport mechanism should have no problem because pipe is lighter than logs. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "butchclimax" <sager@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] "Logs" > Hi All, > > Have read thru some of the old archives in search of "Log" size- > (which for a 751 was determined to be 3/4 or 13/16 inch diameter) > > Many people refer to the 751 as huge, oversized or BIG. > > What I'm interested in is the Maximum LENGHT of the "log". > > I am thinking of using a 751 to load "pipe" (which was also located > in the archives, but that person used the shorter length of 6 inch or > so. > > Since the standard flat w/ stakes or the gondolas will handle the 9 > inch length I was hoping a 751 would work. > > I do know it won't work at that 9 inch length on the 787 as I have > one of those and the vertical shaft that drives the lift cam etc. > gets in the way. > > Can someone with a 751 tell me the maximum "log" or pipe lenght that > thing would handle? > > Thanks, > Vic > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26703	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: "Pirates of the Caribbean" & "Spooky Town"

OK,..I admit it! I'm a pirate nut!! It's my favorite ride at Disneyland and I've have seen the movie twice!! And believe it or not,...the Lemax Halloween "Spooky Town" collection is out already at Michael's!! Gettin' that time!! Soooo.... two weekends ago I just HAD to have the new Lemax release... A "Ghost Ship"....skeleton/ghost pirates....sound effects...and the ship rocks back and forth,...or is it 'to and fro'? Sounds of the ship creaking,..the wind...cannons blasting (with red LEDS in the cannons!),...the occasional chorus of "Yo-Ho-Ho and a bottle of Rum"....the music though,...is a little corny...shoulda been more scarey like their other spooky buildings, IMHO. Not quite sure how it ties in with toy trains, but it WILL be on my Fall/Halloween layout!! Along with my other Spooky Town houses. Sells for $49.99....got mine with the store coupon @ 40% off !! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26704	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: NASG presentation

The Rocky Mountain Division of the TCA is having a two day summer train show a short distance from Denver International Airport. There is a table decorated with a NASG banner and literature, a first. Jerry Dobbs is to be commended. It looked great. Thanks Jerry!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26705	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: "Pirates of the Caribbean" & "Spooky Town"

Rick....will have to look this one up....soon as I find A coupon...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] "Pirates of the Caribbean" & "Spooky Town" > OK,..I admit it! I'm a pirate nut!! It's my favorite ride at Disneyland and I've have seen the movie twice!! > > And believe it or not,...the Lemax Halloween "Spooky Town" collection is out already at Michael's!! Gettin' that time!! Soooo.... two weekends ago I just HAD to have the new Lemax release... > A "Ghost Ship"....skeleton/ghost pirates....sound effects...and the ship rocks back and forth,...or is it 'to and fro'? > > Sounds of the ship creaking,..the wind...cannons blasting (with red LEDS in the cannons!),...the occasional chorus of "Yo-Ho-Ho and a bottle of Rum"....the music though,...is a little corny...shoulda been more scarey like their other spooky buildings, IMHO. > > Not quite sure how it ties in with toy trains, but it WILL be on my Fall/Halloween layout!! Along with my other Spooky Town houses. > > Sells for $49.99....got mine with the store coupon @ 40% off !! > > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26706	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: A.F. 26739?

Today I purchased what I think is an A.F. 26739 Steam Whistle Control with the original box. However, there is no number on the red & white box. It appears it may never have been used, but I do not know what it belongs to . . . Any ideas? Also, Robert Bubeck is on our list and is the author of the TM Illustrated Price Guide! I believe Rick asked this question? Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26707	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: Bob Bubeck's Flyer layout....

**(((Bubeck = TM guide)))**** OK,...the fog is lifting,....it's starting to come back to me now... ...yes,....I hear somethin'......the faint ringing of a bell!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26708	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units?

If you wanted to double the speed of the worm gear, why did you just look for a double lead worm? Instead of all that work? Thank you Larry Jackman On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 06:08 PM, hgetrain wrote: > I am in the process of modifying an AF 4-8-4 Northern smoke unit to > produce approximately 2 chuffs per revolution. The modification > involves replacing existing smoke drive worm gear with a new gear > with half the number of teeth. To allow the new gear to mesh > properly with the worm, I am building a brass bracket which holds > the new gear and connects to the locomotive frame using the same > hole the old worm gear stud used. You also need to provide a way to > attach the smoke unit piston lever to the new gear. This can be as > simple as drilling and threading a hole in the outer edge of the > gear. This method has a disadvantage in that the piston stroke will > be shorter than before and the puffing and choo-choo will be weaker. > I hope to overcome this problem by mounting the piston lever to > another bracket, attached firmly to the gear and extending beyond > the diameter of the gear, which will lengthen the stroke of the > piston. Sorry I do not have a diagram of the modification or the > part number for the gear handy. I will try to locate this info and > will provide it to anyone interested. > > Harry Eberhardt > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hudsonman1088" <kennypalmer@s...> > wrote: >> Does anyone know how to gear the AF smoke unit to 2 chuffs per >> revolution. instead of the usual 1 puff for 1 revoulution of the >> drivers. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26709	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: Bob Bubeck's Flyer layout....

"OK,...the fog is lifting,....it's starting to come back to me now... ...yes,....I hear somethin'......the faint ringing of a bell!!!! Rick." Hmm, perhaps from a 21234?? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26710	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: smoke units?

Larry, Your solution seems logical, and easier, but it would also change the speed of the drive wheels too! Making this change within the confines of the boiler shell will be challenging; I am waiting to see the results! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26711	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: Loco Tips

John, Hmm, unless it is in a harsh climate, 6 months storage should only require dusting off and running! I have pulled locos out of boxes after a few years and they run just fine! (I have even seen some that sat decades too, but that's a matter of luck, or chance). Typically grease dries up, and oil goes away, or becomes gummy and one should do a good cleaning and relubrication of the running gear, check the reverse unit contacts for corrosion, as well as the wheels. Make certain nothing is binding too. I had one guy bring me an engine "Because it runs really slow" and found that one driver axle was bound up by congealed oil. Some tuner cleaner and re-lubrication and it took off like a shot! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26712	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: A.F. 26739?

Mike, Yes, it belongs to me, I lost it, uh, somewhere!!! As it was usually packed in a set, no number on box could easily happen. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26713	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Choo Choo sounds

HI all, Someone asked me the other night why some locos have good "Choo Choo" and others don't. I am on a quest to find out the answer. I suspect it is in the "Chuff plate" in the smoke unit. Before I "re=invent the wheel" testing different units to see what causes louder chuffs or softer chuffs, has anyone else looked into this already? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26714	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: worm

This happened to me last week, my whole system crashed. He said a seemingly innocent email attachment I opened had burrowed its way into the 'registry kernal' (whatever that is!) of the system. (wonder if that is where 'worm' comes from? sounds a bit like a worm eating into a kernal of corn to me)! Had to wait for my nephew to reinstall the w2k program. He showed me how to do it 'just in case next time'! He installed McAfee anti virus to help avoid future problems. And he stressted the point..............do NOT open any email attachments from unknown sources. Also, he is working on a paper of his 'improvements' on AF equipment in general but it is easily going to be several pages long from what I see on the floppy he gave me. Can I post it to list when complete or offer it up for reprint due to its length? Also, he has digital pictures of his AF 'improvements' on a cd he gave me, can those be posted to the list? He is very busy in his job as a E.E. and travels a lot and only does this as a favor for me but I thought he may have a original idea or two that may be of interest to AF buffs and he does not mind sharing knowledge. Anyone interested in this let me know. Thanks, Mike. (formerly traindoctor2003 until my pc crashed). --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > Got another worm tonight . An 87K attachment, "setup.exe" to an email > from "Jjcantalupo", email entitled "W32 Elkern removal tools". > > Deleted it > > Don't these people get tired of this stuff??? Or is it just coming around > and around again automatically? > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26715	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: Choo Choo sounds

Dave, Is that the hidden 'bakelite' plate next to the smoke house? Could be a manufacturing 'slop' that may cause differing sounds, could also be a discrepancy or eccentric problem or warpage in the piston chamber casting. Could be poor fitting/cracked bakelite panel allowing air to escape. Might be a worn piston. Dirt, dust and dried oil residue in or near the 'smoke ports'. Could be factory slop from worn tooling in the original casting holes and baffles allowing excess air escape. Could be 'flash' in the baffles airbox between the piston housing and smoke baffle. Could be drive and stroke length of connecting rod on long chassis. Could be bad fit/crack of the upper bakelite smoke chamber cover. Could be the ports baffle and opening at the smoke outlet differing in size/length/or mill flash. Could be 'sand' pockets or casting irregularity of the housing. Could be smokebox packing material density. Could even be lack of lube and drag in the chuff gear/bearings causing a motor drag, a tight drivetrain/linkage/motor may also result in poor chuff. Well, those are my ideas, and I am just blowing smoke! Time for another pot of 'Yuban'! Actually, all mine chuff about the same, more or less, my problem is getting them to puff smoke more! Get two or more of those chuffers going on a layout and it is really neat! I ran a next size larger drill bit up through the entire set of holes in a smoke unit and the 'chuff' stayed the same as far as I could tell, but boy, did she blow smoke! She is so thirsty for smoke fluid that I may have to set up a 'drip' station to keep her happy! Now there is an idea........how about a automated smoke fluid fill system for the AF locos?!? Based on a water tower kind of thing maybe? Nah, guess not. Regards, Mike (formerly traindoctor2003 before my pc crashed). --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > HI all, > Someone asked me the other night why some locos have good "Choo Choo" > and others don't. I am on a quest to find out the answer. I suspect it is in > the "Chuff plate" in the smoke unit. Before I "re=invent the wheel" testing > different units to see what causes louder chuffs or softer chuffs, has > anyone else looked into this already? > S' > David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26716	From: darthuncadoc	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Re: "Pirates of the Caribbean" & "Spooky Town"

Rick, is that the Michaels craft store you refer to? Was the movie good? I just wait for them on vhs but it looks like a fine movie from the 'spots' on tv. Roll up the Jolly Rodger! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > OK,..I admit it! I'm a pirate nut!! It's my favorite ride at Disneyland and I've have seen the movie twice!! > > And believe it or not,...the Lemax Halloween "Spooky Town" collection is out already at Michael's!! Gettin' that time!! Soooo.... two weekends ago I just HAD to have the new Lemax release... > A "Ghost Ship"....skeleton/ghost pirates....sound effects...and the ship rocks back and forth,...or is it 'to and fro'? > > Sounds of the ship creaking,..the wind...cannons blasting (with red LEDS in the cannons!),...the occasional chorus of "Yo-Ho-Ho and a bottle of Rum"....the music though,...is a little corny...shoulda been more scarey like their other spooky buildings, IMHO. > > Not quite sure how it ties in with toy trains, but it WILL be on my Fall/Halloween layout!! Along with my other Spooky Town houses. > > Sells for $49.99....got mine with the store coupon @ 40% off !! > > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26717	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/9/2003
Subject: Layout fotos

It would be nive to gather all of these photographs into one location. THere is some really neat work done and some superfine collecting. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26718	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Choo Choo sounds

Mike, Nope, I believe the chuff unit is the steel plate with the punched hole in it. I suspect chuff variations are due to the shape or edges of that hole, but I am hoping for some more input. Cylinder wear should be visible by lack of smoke "Puffs" so that variable should be measurable! S' David D. PS Smoke units are die-cast, so there shouldn't be any sand pockets, etc. in them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26719	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Third time is the charm? (not really train related)

Hi All, Well, we went out to dinner for once, and when we came home, Linda asked, "Where's the truck?" Hmm, it WAS by the curb when we left! This is the third time it has been stolen from in front of our house, I don't think my odds are good to get it back another time! AAAUGH!! there went my "heavy, large objects" moving vehicle. I can't wait to finish moving, tired of "living" in two places at once. S' David D. PS, as my cousin told me, "If it weren't for bad luck, you'd have no luck at all!" Maybe by CA lotto ticket will come in tonite, I could use 91 Mill. ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26720	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Third time is the charm? (not really train related)

David.....A good friend of mine is in the Lawn Business....He stopped at Wally World for a few minutes to look for Hot wheels....When he came out A man was standing by his truck...The man told him he had seen someone steal an edger from his Trailer....He gave him the lic no etc....Dave, his name too, went inside to call the Police.....Since a light rain was falling he waited by the door for them....When they came, He took them to the spot WHERE HIS TRUCK AND TRAILER......WAS...now they both were gone....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26721	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Third time is the charm? (not really train related)

OW!! Maybe the problem is my name?? "Dave's not here, man!" S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26722	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Choo Choo sounds

I have wondered why it was called "Choo-choo"..... to me that's a whistle,...seems it should be "Loco with smoke and CHUG-CHUG". :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26723	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Choo Choo sounds

Rick....Think of it....CHOO CHOO sounds better than chug chug....all the steamers I have heard go chooooo...chooo....etc....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Choo Choo sounds > I have wondered why it was called "Choo-choo"..... > to me that's a whistle,...seems it should be "Loco with smoke and CHUG-CHUG". :^) > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26724	From: Mike Vana	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Choo Choo sounds

My Dad sanded the inside of a few choo-choo units and thought that they sounded better afterward. I thought so, too, but it's been so long ago that he did it that I would only recommend that someone try it on an experimental basis to see what they thought. I don't think that you could hurt anything. I have a Franklin that has always sounded soft, but they have smaller smoke units (the same size as Gilbert HO steam locos) so probably wouldn't be so loud anyway. Sometimes you need to lubricate a steam loco so the gear noise isn't so noticeable, and the choo-choo is more noticeable. Now I'm curious and might have to run a few steam locos to investigate. While on the subject of steam locos, I'm going to acquire a 346 0-8-0 soon. They have that unique reverse unit on the back of the motor that I have heard is troublesome. Is it that bad, and if it is, can it be tuned up to run reliably? Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26725	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: Choo Choo sounds

Mike, The 4-step on-motor reverse unit is a bit delicate, but can be made to work properly. However! Parts are pretty much made of unobtainium, so if yours has anything wrong with it, UH OH! The won't take the usual "small hands, poor co-ordination" kind of handling that we used to give some of our trains! I wouldn't sand the bore of the smoke cylinder unless it was scored, and then I'd do it with some really fine grit paper. I know one instruction sheet recommends vasaline on the cylinder, but I thing that's a NO NO as it will attract dirt and gum things up. I understood that the later, solid piston was self-lubricating anyway. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26726	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 10, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26727	From: aglorince	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: worm

i the last week i have received two messages from this group with a w32 bug bear worm.(norton scans cought it both times.) messages came as executable attachments to messages thru this group. message titles did not seem to relate to any current threads i've seen here. this is interesting because i don't get messages to the group via e- mail. andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26728	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: worm

The group does not support attachments. You can't receive or sent attachments via this list. You CAN get a attachment (virus) from someone on this list if they include your address in the TO: or CC: portion of their infected notes. I know this because I get them all the time. Usually because they include owner-s_trains@... in the header of the note. If someone sends you an attachment that you did not request, I suggest you delete it or request an explaination from the sender. --- aglorince <alorince@...> wrote: > i the last week i have received two messages from > this group with a > w32 bug bear worm.(norton scans cought it both > times.) messages came > as executable attachments to messages thru this > group. message titles > did not seem to relate to any current threads i've > seen here. > > this is interesting because i don't get messages to > the group via e- > mail. > > andy lorince > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26729	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: NASG presentation

Hi Folks Jerry Dobbs will also be representing the NASG at the TTOS National Convention in Denver Aug. 21-24. More info at http://www.ttos.org/conventions.htm John Message: 5 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:36:53 EDT From: milayman@... Subject: NASG presentation The Rocky Mountain Division of the TCA is having a two day summer train show a short distance from Denver International Airport. There is a table decorated with a NASG banner and literature, a first. Jerry Dobbs is to be commended. It looked great. Thanks Jerry!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26730	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Re: worm

**(((The group does not support attachments. You can't receive or sent attachments via this list. You CAN get a attachment (virus) from someone on this list if they include your address in the TO: or CC: portion of their infected notes. I know this because I get them all the time. Usually because they include owner-s_trains@... in the header of the note.)))*** Yep! I got one too!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26731	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/10/2003
Subject: Choo Choo sounds

As a long time musician, I am convinced that a lot of the sound quality of the choo has to do with the condition of the smoke unit casting, which serves as a resonator or resonating chamber for the sound produced by forcing air through the sound plate hole. First, some castings are in better shape than others. Some show signs of decay, cracks, or white metal disease. These will not resonate as well. Second, the buildup of gunk inside the unit, which is so difficult to remove completely, tends to kill the sound as well. This is why sanding the inside of the smoke chamber very well might improve the sound. Third, the wick material kills the sound too. Given a casting in good condition, the less wick, the more sound. This is especially true of the later one plate units. Of course, if you use less wick, you have to add less smoke fluid when you fill the unit. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26732	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Orlando Great American Train Show

This Sat and Sun 11 am to 5 pm. In case anyone is in the neighborhood.... Come by our booth and say hello. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26733	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: VIRUS - moderator message

SOMEBODY who is likely on S-trains or S-scale, possibly having e-mail service from dialsprint.net has a virus which is sending virus attachments to members of these lists. EVERYBODY, don't put your friends at risk, practice safe surfing, make sure you have active anti-virus software on your computer and make sure that you get frequent updates (weekly). Everybody, if you see an attchment that has TWO file types, such as .doc.exe DELETE THE MESSAGE IMMEDIATELY. If you don't understand what you need to do, ask any of your moderators for help. Ask you local computer store for help. You might even switch to computer software that is less likely to get a virus (virus writers LOVE to attach MicroSoft products). ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26734	From: Tim	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message

Who ARE the moderators. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Larson To: Trains S ; Scale S Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] VIRUS - moderator message SOMEBODY who is likely on S-trains or S-scale, possibly having e-mail service from dialsprint.net has a virus which is sending virus attachments to members of these lists. EVERYBODY, don't put your friends at risk, practice safe surfing, make sure you have active anti-virus software on your computer and make sure that you get frequent updates (weekly). Everybody, if you see an attchment that has TWO file types, such as .doc.exe DELETE THE MESSAGE IMMEDIATELY. If you don't understand what you need to do, ask any of your moderators for help. Ask you local computer store for help. You might even switch to computer software that is less likely to get a virus (virus writers LOVE to attach MicroSoft products). ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26735	From: lou342ac	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: LEMACO

Hi, Does anyone on the list use LEMACO switch machines? If so, satisfied or disatisfied? These are motor driven units instead of solenoid operated. Thanks, Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26736	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message

Tim, We could tell you, but then we'd have to delete you! ;-) I'd better let Paul answer this one, as I forget who all is, besides Paul & Myself. S' David D. Moderators?? We don' need no stinkin' moderators!! ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26737	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:15:57 -0700 (PDT), Ted Larson wrote: >EVERYBODY, don't put your friends at risk, practice safe surfing, make >sure you have active anti-virus software on your computer and make sure >that you get frequent updates (weekly). NO, get an email client that does not support viruses. Driving at 200 miles an hour on the interstate is not safe, but you would condone it with a seatbelt why...??? (If you had no idea there are email programs that will not support viruses, thank the media!) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26738	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 NASG UP Tank Car

Fellow S Gaugians, My 2003 NASG Union Pacific chrome tank car arrived recently. I got around to retrieving the car from its box today, and I must say that it looks really sharp! The very clean graphics on a chrome background are quite striking. As an AF commemorative car, this is a real winner. Thanks to Doug Peck (and his buddies) for working hard to get this tank car to us. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26739	From: Tim	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message

David, et al; To my knowledge, there was no announcement made about the addition of moderators to this list. About 6 months ago, there was some kind of flap on this list and I suggested to Paul that we needed moderators. He responded that there was none. Meanwhile, evidently, there has been some clandestine arrangements. At least it happened and maybe the list will be all the better for it. Thanks, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: Trains S ; Scale S ; Ted Larson ; Tim Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] VIRUS - moderator message Tim, We could tell you, but then we'd have to delete you! ;-) I'd better let Paul answer this one, as I forget who all is, besides Paul & Myself. S' David D. Moderators?? We don' need no stinkin' moderators!! ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26740	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message

Clandestine? Hmm, I've been a substitute moderater for the S-trains list from way back when. Paul is the backbone of this operation, from the begining, (is it a decade now? I forget!). Nothing about this group is done "behind closed doors" it really is all about our love for trains, especially S sized ones. Pehaps we need a "history of the Lists" article, but Paul will have to write it, as I am terrible with names and dates (and I'm a museum curator!) S' David D. PS, My original message on this was, I THOUGHT, going to just the S-trains List, as Ted has been a moderator on S-scale and I hadn't forgotten that!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26741	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Who is it

> > >Hi Folks > > I posted a photo in the photo section at S scale. >It is under Who is it. This gentlemen won the >Prodigy DCC system at my clinic during the >last NASG convention in WI. >If you know who he is [ The better fellow on the right ] >Please let me know who he is and where he lives. >I had the information but I lost it. I need it to let >MRC who won the system > >John Foley P.S. Click the photo a couple of times to enlarge it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26742	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Great American Train Show/KC

Looks like the Great American Train Show is a no-show in Kansas City this holiday season. Last year's effort was sub-par, both in terms of dealers and attendees. Plus, the Great American Computer Show (or whatever they called it) was side by side. Just curious if any other regular cities were eliminated? Cheers :) Roy Inman > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26743	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: GATS in Ventura-CA.

OK,...I'm bummed,....GATS about 2-1/2 from me....23rd and 24th....and I CAN'T go!!!! Daughter's birthday party on Sunday....her friends on Sat... Nuts! Hmmmm......load up girls!! I'll take ya somewhere REALLY fun!!!! Rick "It's back to eBay" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26744	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: New Haven show

Is anyone on the list planning to attend the New Haven show this weekend? And is the train show part of the festivities on saturday or sunday? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26745	From: Tim	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: Re: VIRUS - moderator message

Well, since the cat's out of the bag, I hope it has a positive effect on an already great list. Hmmm, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: Trains S ; Scale S ; Ted Larson ; Tim Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] VIRUS - moderator message Clandestine? Hmm, I've been a substitute moderater for the S-trains list from way back when. Paul is the backbone of this operation, from the begining, (is it a decade now? I forget!). Nothing about this group is done "behind closed doors" it really is all about our love for trains, especially S sized ones. Pehaps we need a "history of the Lists" article, but Paul will have to write it, as I am terrible with names and dates (and I'm a museum curator!) S' David D. PS, My original message on this was, I THOUGHT, going to just the S-trains List, as Ted has been a moderator on S-scale and I hadn't forgotten that! S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26746	From: Tim	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: New Haven show

Guys, I'm not attending this year's activities in New Haven because I'm still recuperating from a life-changing operation on my spinal cord earlier this summer. However, I have attended in previous years and I heartily endorse the events. I found the factory tour on Saturday most enriching and the train show on Sunday is a good one. John & Robin work hard to promote these activities up there and IMHO, they deserve more recognition. Hope this helps, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26747	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2003
Subject: 2003 NASG UP Tank Car

In a message dated 08/11/2003 6:31:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time, rbubeck327@... writes: > Fellow S Gaugians, > > My 2003 NASG Union Pacific chrome tank car arrived recently. I got around to > > retrieving the car from its box today, and I must say that it looks really > sharp! The very clean graphics on a chrome background are quite striking. As > an > AF commemorative car, this is a real winner. Thanks to Doug Peck (and his > buddies) for working hard to get this tank car to us. > > Bob Bubeck > I/we concur. We got ours last week and they are beautiful. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26748	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: New Haven

<<<Is anyone on the list planning to attend the New Haven show this weekend? And is the train show part of the festivities on saturday or sunday?>>> We'll be there with at least our usual 6 tables of S products! The show is on Sunday, 9 AM - 3 PM. This is the ONLY one-day show that we do in the entire year, so that tells you something....it's a good show, well-organized and well-promoted by John and Robin. BTW---Thanks to Bob and Steve for their comments about the NASG tank car. I was very pleased with this year's results too! There are still a bit over 100 cars left available if anyone wants one (or more). They are now available without limit, to NASG members, or new enrollees. Go to nasg.org for info and an order form. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26749	From: rayklesc	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Update to Model Railroad Hobby Web Site

Hi All: Just a note to say that I have updated my Model Railroad Hobby web site (<http://www.modelrailroadhobby.com>) with new material. There is a new poll running and four manufacturers have sent me new product announcements. I added a new page for my layout (The Atlantis Bayside Intercon Railway), which is a detailed map of the island of Atlantis showing the railroad network of the Island Nation. Pure fantasy and fun but I will be using it to create detailed operations plans for the various trains coming and going from Bayside. This will lend credibility to the operation and the model railroad even though it is mythical. I will also use it to show the expansion possibilities of this mythical land. BTW...try to figure out the program I used to create the map. You can find the new map in the Layout section of the web site. In addition, I will be writing the column for the new S/Sn3 Modeling Guide re-launch. So if there are any manufacturers of S-scale products and want to reach your target market with new product announcements then please send them to me. And for the S-scale modeler lurking in our mist check out the Modeling Guide at: <http://www.modelingguide.com/>. Sorry for the commercial interruption but it is model railroading related. On another note, I have started a four part series on what I call The Four P's of Model Railroading. The first part is up and addresses 'Patience' in our modeling. Please let me know what you think about it. You can access it at this URL: <http://www.modelrailroadhobby.com/Structures/Miscellaneous/Four_Ps_P atience.htm> Farewell and best regards... Ray Klesc Model Railroad Hobby <http://www.modelrailroadhobby.com>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26750	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1972

NASG at TCA meet at Denver. The show had about 300, 8' tables full of trains, because of the economy sales were slow, a lot of nice items did show up. K-Line had a table full of new items, the talk was converting their "O" 4-8-8-4 to "S", places my Flyer 336 next to it for a comparison and some Flyer cars behind it, looked good! signed a list of potential buyers. All of the "S" cars looked real nice. Keep in mind the next show is the TTOS at the same place (Denver) weekend after next. Hoping for 400 tables, as of now, only about 200 have been sold. K-Line will be at this show also. Jerry ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26751	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: passenger details

Courtesy of those who responded to my earlier query, I now know that there was an article on the under-body detailing of passenger cars in Railroad Model Craftsnan for April, 1995. Now all I have to do is get my hands on a copy. Thanks, Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26752	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: New Haven show

In a message dated 8/12/03 5:32:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:47:40 -0400 > From: jarcho@... > Subject: New Haven show > > Is anyone on the list planning to attend the New Haven show this weekend? > And is the train show part of the festivities on saturday or sunday? > > Tom Jarcho Several members of the Bristol club who are on this list, including myself, will be at the show with our layout. The Gilbert tour is on Saturday and the train show is on Sunday. I've attended every show since they started, and it's about a three hour drive for me, so you can see that I feel it's well worth attending. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26753	From: louis glumac	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: train shows

hi,anyone have a list of upcoming train shows in western pa,,,or any area close to it,thanks... lou. ----- Original Message ----- > and S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26754	From: Dennis Back	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: To dust or NOT to dust

This is not a technical question, but I'd like to get some input from the list. I'm going to be having some special guests over to see my layout and I get this email from my 87 year old mother. In part it said....."Would you like me to come over with my little vacuum and dust cloths and help you?" What is the consensus on dust on trains and accessories? Personally, I think it adds to the realistic ambiance. Any thoughts from anyone on this? Thanks, Dennis (I don't do windows)B. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26755	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: A few more Ebay listings

Hi All, This is probably going to be my last Ebay train listings for a while. Please give them a look. They are only a 5-day auction. PRR FP7 Set SUPERDETAILED http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3142135502&category=16509 Chessie GP35 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3142136491&category=16509 I am not selling out of S Scale just thinning the collection a little and trying to focus on the PRR. Be very concerned if you see me selling PRR Brass. Buy a new suit because my funeral can't be too far behind! Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26756	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust

Don't LAUGH at me....I have had a 8 1/2 x 11 1/2 spare Bed Room that I have used as my Train Room.....I kept the door closed so that air would not circulate...there is a slow leak of heat and a/c under the door.....I am now moving my train room to A new addition I built on my home....I am finding VERY LITTLE dust on things I am moving..This is after 15 years.....By keeping A door closed Air can't circulate....therefore...LITTLE DUST !!!!!...A Ceiling fan is the worst culprit for piling up dust......I hate them and I am an Architect....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Back" <backden@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] To dust or NOT to dust > This is not a technical question, but I'd like to get > some input from the list. > > I'm going to be having some special guests over to see > my layout and I get this email from my 87 year old > mother. In part it said....."Would you like me to > come > over with my little vacuum and dust cloths and help > you?" > > What is the consensus on dust on trains and > accessories? > > Personally, I think it adds to the realistic ambiance. > Any thoughts from anyone on this? > > Thanks, > Dennis (I don't do windows)B. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26757	From: Lance McCold	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: N.S. code 125 rail

Does anyone know where I can buy a bundle of nickel silver C125 rail. So far the places we have checked with are out. Thanks, Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26758	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: N.S. code 125 rail

Dear Lance, We have nickel silver in stock to go with our flex and sectional track, It is item #01228, 33 sections 36" long and cost $69.95/ bundle. Don Lance McCold wrote: >Does anyone know where I can buy a bundle of nickel silver C125 rail. So far the places we have checked with are out. > >Thanks, > >Lance McCold >Knoxville, Tennessee > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26759	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: to dust

Dust is nasty stuff, though it varies greatly from place to place. The main problem is that if you leave it alone, it attaches itself permanently to your trains. Therefore, If I had a permanent layout, I would protect it with a dust cloth. If I had a train room, I would at least consider an air cleaning machine such as is used in photo darkrooms. On my floor layouts, I generally vacuum the tracks and floor areas each day before beginning operation. I use a Dustbuster or my regular vacuum cleaner, which is too strong and must be handled with extreme care. As to letting an 87 year old person dust a layout, it depends on the layout. If everything is easy to reach it would be ok, but if any degree of flexibility is needed to reach certain places or avoid fragile areas, I would say absolutely not. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26760	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: dust

Speaking of dust: Has anyone tried that stuff advertised in S-Gaugaian, CTT, MR and others that claims to disintegrate dust? Comes in a spray can and is pretty expensive, but worth it if it works. Thanks in advance for any feedback. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26761	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: To dust or NOT to dust

I myself, do not like dust!!! Almost as much as I hate dusting,...therefore it doesn't get done as often as it should!! I have a few trains on display in my bedroom...(see link)...I also have a fan in my window (no AC !) to cool off my room at night....and talk about how fast dust collects!!! Holy dust-balls!!! And my den (where my little layout is)..windows are open quite a bit,..dust-dust-dust!! http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album31/Chalk_tray_shelves_1 I agree with Robert,..open doors, windows,...just invites more dust!! Rick "Where's my feather-duster?" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26762	From: Howard	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: Re: Great American Train Show/KC

For those of you in the northern California area this weekend, there will be plenty of S to see at the Santa Rosa GATS show. Stop by and visit. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains 1201 Hemingway Dr. Roseville, CA 95747 916-773-4415 916-769-8362 cell/day -----Original Message----- From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:41 PM To: S-trains Subject: [S-Trains] Great American Train Show/KC Looks like the Great American Train Show is a no-show in Kansas City this holiday season. Last year's effort was sub-par, both in terms of dealers and attendees. Plus, the Great American Computer Show (or whatever they called it) was side by side. Just curious if any other regular cities were eliminated? Cheers :) Roy Inman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26763	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/12/2003
Subject: dust

I certainly agree with Tom on this one!!! ((("The main problem is that if you leave it alone, it attaches itself permanently to your trains.")))) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26764	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: to dust

As I mentioned before...I am an Architect and I know that Air circulation is one of the major culprits of dust....Some of the trains I am moving require very little dusting after 15 years.....As for your GM dusting....I had A beautiful 1/32 scale SPITFIRE complete with Battle Damage....the builder had thinned the plastic in places and curled it up...painted it aluminum to simulate bullet holed...Well my girlfriend at that time, on speed, cleaned all my models and shelves ( about 1982 ) and scrubbed off all details....so be careful....I use a big, very soft paint brush, to dust my Airplane models with...After that I wised up....If she got hold of speed I would give her a pair of nail clippers and turn her loose on the yard..Also I am considering A air cleaner in my new area....But might just do the whole house.....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26765	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Alco/Geep can motor conversions

A final reminder to all that the introductory price on the Can motor conversions for ALCOs and GEEPs expires on August 15. That's just two days from today. We will honor all shipments postmarked by that date or emails confirming orders. Normal pricing goes into effect on 8-16 There is an upcoming product review on the Baldwin Can motor kit in S-Gaugian magazine. Don't know when it will show up, but within the next few months we hope. Thanks to all of you that have supported the programs. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26766	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1973

In response to the New Haven you may want to check out Fox News - Fox and Friends tomorrow (Thursday 8/14) between 6AM and 7AM as John will be promoting the train hobby as ambassador the the "World's Greatest Hobby". As for the question about the train show and factory tour. They are two separate events that we run for the weekend. Saturday we will have breakfast at the Eli Whitney Museum then head over to the factory for a tour, back for programs and conversation. Saturday at Yale is Connecticut's largest train show at the Payne Whitney Gym from 9:00 to 3:00. Check out our website for details and directions AFSTrains.com. Hope to see you all there. Robin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26767	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Turnouts

Hi all: I have a pair (right and left) of Branchline, nickel silver, #6 code 125 turnouts from the 70's (open frog) that I would like to sell or trade for a pair of code 125 nickel silver #4 closed frog BK or similar switches. If interested, please contact me off-line. Tx. Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26768	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Last Call: Lionel 2003 Book 2 AF Items

Deadline for orders for the American Flyer items offered in the 2003 Lionel Book 2 Catalog is Friday, August 15, 2003 at noon. Prices are listed below. Item No. Description List Price My Price (6-48036) NYC 2-8-2 Light Mikado $599.99 $520 (6-48725) NYC Caboose $49.99 $42 (6-49612) B&O Passenger Train $799.99 $690 (6-48965) B&O Passenger 2-car pack $119.99 $98 (6-48135) NYC Alco PA B-unit $149.99 $135 (6-48964) NYC Baggage Car $59.99 $48 (6-49811) #773 Oil Derrick $59.99 $49 (6-48349) Goofy Boxcar $54.99 $44 (6-48351) Donald Duck Boxcar $54.99 $44 (6-48353) 2003 AF Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $42 Credit card (Visa or Master Card) or 15 percent deposit required with order. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26769	From: Howard	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: to dust

Hi Bob and fellow S Groupies I have had a bit of experience with air systems and have found a very good way to deal dust is to invest in a good electro static filter system for your house or building. Between that and the central vacuum system, we don't have near as much dust on my trains as before. My wife loves having less to dust too. Another benefit is fewer allergy health problems. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains 1201 Hemingway Dr. Roseville, CA 95747 916-773-4415 916-769-8362 cell/day -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:50 AM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] to dust As I mentioned before...I am an Architect and I know that Air circulation is one of the major culprits of dust.... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26770	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: 1953 Plasticville ad....

What type of tracks do YOU think are in the lower left-hand corner of this 1953 Plasticville ad???? Rick. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album31/1953_Plasticville_ad [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26771	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

Certainly looks like vintage AF track to me! ...Barb Rick Evans wrote: > What type of tracks do YOU think are in the lower left-hand > corner of this 1953 Plasticville ad???? > > Rick. > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album31/1953_Plasticville_ad > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26772	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

Hi Rick, Why, it is that evil American Flyer track, as anyone would know that a two rail track would more realistic than that awful 3 rail stuff, dominating the market in 1953. From a marketing point two rail track was more realistic to sell more product for Plasticville. I remember once you told me about this ad, you missed out on Ebay, but have you ever thought about searching magazines in antique stores for this ad, as it might of been in a Life magazine and you know what year and months to concentrate on. Good luck with the hunt for it, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26773	From: rkuepper	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

If it's 1953. AF! Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 1953 Plasticville ad.... > > What type of tracks do YOU think are in the lower left-hand > corner of this 1953 Plasticville ad???? > > Rick. > > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album31/1953_Plasticville_ad > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26774	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

SORRY...GUYS.....It looks like the old 2 rail track....it had 3 ties...for windup trains....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Cc: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1953 Plasticville ad.... > Certainly looks like vintage AF track to me! ...Barb > > Rick Evans wrote: > > > What type of tracks do YOU think are in the lower left-hand > > corner of this 1953 Plasticville ad???? > > > > Rick. > > > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album31/1953_Plasticville_ad > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26775	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

Bob, That's Gals and Guys! Hmmm! You could be right, as it is tough to tell. I wonder, if Plasticville use some windup track from a company that was out of business, due to lawsuits of unarthorize of a company's product, since AF was still in business and would want some money in return for the legal use of its product in a ad? So, what's an Woolworth's!? Just kidding. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26776	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

**(((SORRY...GUYS.....It looks like the old 2 rail track....it had 3 ties...for windup trains....Bob))**** Yep,...someone on the 'Plasticville' site, had said the same thing!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26777	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

**(((SORRY...GUYS.....It looks like the old 2 rail track....it had 3 ties...for windup trains....Bob)))**** Ok,... I went out to my garage to grab a Flyer piece of straight track to compare to the Plasticville ad...and I found, (believe it or don't!),.....some old rusty three-tie/two rail track (that Bob spoke of) ...I had bought quite some time ago at a yard sale,...never knew what kind of track it was. Soooo....I'm staring at the ad and staring at the two pieces of track....and I come up with this.... #1---The tie spacing between two connected pieces of Flyer track,...looks closer to the photo then when I put two wind-up type track pieces together. #2---The spacing between the 1st and 2nd tie,...somewhat looks more like Flyer track then wind-up track. Now this of course,.. is trying to compare full size pieces of track to a photo,....AND the type of 3-tie/2-rail track that I have. They both look close to the ad photo....I can't bet either way yet,....although I'm pulling for Flyer track!!! Let the games continue!!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26778	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

Ok,..I enlarged the corner of the ad as big as I could,....and it almost seems right on when I hold up a piece of Flyer track to the photo. Not rocket science,..but the best I could do!!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26779	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

Good eye, Bob ...Barb ;-) robert allen conner wrote: > SORRY...GUYS.....It looks like the old 2 rail track....it had 3 ties...for > windup trains....Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> > To: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > Cc: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 1953 Plasticville ad.... > > > Certainly looks like vintage AF track to me! ...Barb > > > > Rick Evans wrote: > > > > > What type of tracks do YOU think are in the lower left-hand > > > corner of this 1953 Plasticville ad???? > > > > > > Rick. > > > > > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album31/1953_Plasticville_ad > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26780	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

I now think it may not be AF track, due to the reason I wrote awhile back, about Plasticville using the track without permission or for a fee, and getting lawyers involve. So they used some track from a defunct business, where they couldn't sue them for zillions of dollars. But then, it was 1953 and maybe a different era of doing business where no one cared! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 1953 Plasticville ad.... > Ok,..I enlarged the corner of the ad as big as I could,....and it almost > seems right on when I hold up a piece of Flyer track to the photo. > Not rocket science,..but the best I could do!!! :^) > > > Rick. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26781	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust

Use a good filter in your heating and ac system, like a 3M and change it often. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26782	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: Plasticville

I have never heard that there was any bitterness between Bachmann (Plasticville) and Gilbert. After all, Bachmann made their switch towe rin a version for Flyer, and probably other items as well. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26783	From: John Huster	Date: 8/13/2003
Subject: August 24th Clevland Show

Can anyone tell me how to contact the person in charge of the August 24th Train Meet in Cleveland? Thanks, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26784	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: 759 improvement

Hi all, I have an AF 759 Bell/Lamp crossing unit with a burned out coil. I am considering upgrading it to one that flashes the original lamps alternately at a preset flash rate and emits an improved bell sound with a speaker. Perhaps then I could glaze the windows over and install a light (The grandkids enjoy running the trains with the lights out). Has anyone ever accomplished anything like this? Thanks alot, Alex(innotron)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26785	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: Plasticville

Tom, It was just a theory and another angle on why it wasn't AF track, as yes, they did make that switch tower for the A.C. Gilbert, Co., for a fee, I am sure! O:)! Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26786	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust

Guys...I change the a/c filter monthly...with good ones and Had all the ducts and units cleaned about a year ago...the dust still builds up Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] To dust or NOT to dust > Use a good filter in your heating and ac system, like a 3M and change it > often. > > Mike > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26787	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

Hey all.....REMEMBER this was an ARTISTS RENDITION of the products.....I am sure if you look hard enough you will find things in the buildings too...When I did Architectural renderings I would often fudge things to make them look better....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 1953 Plasticville ad.... > I now think it may not be AF track, due to the reason I wrote awhile back, > about Plasticville using the track without permission or for a fee, and > getting lawyers involve. So they used some track from a defunct business, > where they couldn't sue them for zillions of dollars. > > But then, it was 1953 and maybe a different era of doing business where no > one cared! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> > To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:26 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 1953 Plasticville ad.... > > > > Ok,..I enlarged the corner of the ad as big as I could,....and it almost > > seems right on when I hold up a piece of Flyer track to the photo. > > Not rocket science,..but the best I could do!!! :^) > > > > > > Rick. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26788	From: John Brockmann	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: 21156 Docksider Loco

Hi all. Is the 21156 docksider supposed to have a coupler on the rear? Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26789	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 21156 Docksider Loco

In a message dated 8/14/2003 12:50:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hcopter51@... writes: > Hi all. Is the 21156 docksider supposed to have a coupler on the > rear? Thanks,John B. > Yup! RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26790	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 21156 Docksider Loco

YES....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 21156 Docksider Loco > Hi all. Is the 21156 docksider supposed to have a coupler on the > rear? Thanks,John B. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26791	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust - Toto, we not in Kansas anymore...

Bob, I few less cigars a day may alleviate the dust build up :>) I have noticed that some environments are just more dust oriented and even all the filters and cleaning help but don't prevent it. I think allot of it has to do with what part of the country you live in and the humidity etc... Later, Scott -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:56 AM To: STrains; Rick Evans; mlmarmer Subject: Re: [S-Trains] To dust or NOT to dust Guys...I change the a/c filter monthly...with good ones and Had all the ducts and units cleaned about a year ago...the dust still builds up Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] To dust or NOT to dust > Use a good filter in your heating and ac system, like a 3M and change it > often. > > Mike > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26792	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

**(((-REMEMBER this was an ARTISTS RENDITION of the products.....I am sure if you look hard enough you will find things in the buildings too...When I did Architectural renderings I would often fudge things to make them look better....Bob Conner)))*** It sure looks like certain areas could have been touched up....but the vehicles and some buildings sure look like the real thing to me! The track in question,..looks raised,..or higher, then the objects around it though. Do ya think the WHOLE ad is a artist rendition?? Sure is good ifn' it is!! :^) Bob,...you FUDGED things?? I shocked!! Kidding!! ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26793	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

I doubt "legal considerations" entered into the picture in 1953. Back then you couldn't find a lawyer under every other rock like you can today. The manufacturers, other than the competitiveness, were I believe, friendly, for the most part. Ultimately, Plasticville showed up as both American Flyer and Lionel offerings. Just remember, 75% of ALL the lawyers in the world are in the good old USA, and we have no open season. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26794	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust

Your HVAC contractor should be able to get a "filter spray" for you that makes the filter stickier. Failing that, ENDUST or any other spray dusting agent (even hair spray) will make the filter sticky and it will catch far more dust. The toughest filters to keep clean-open are in a beauty shop--ALL the hair spray in the air. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26795	From: Alan Evans	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Some Sale Items

List: Have the following for sale (postage or UPS insurance additional) American Models, E-8 Chrome, DC scale with 802's, run 4 hours- $195.00 AM Budd Car coach, Pennsy, satin finish, NIB,hi rail or scale, #4011 $ 65.00 AM Budd Car coach, Pennsy, satin finish, NIB, hi rail or scale, # 4013 $ 65.00 American Models Southern Crescent 4-6-2, DC Hi rail, NIB $275.00 American Models 7721 bay window caboose, NIB MilwRd # 02089, hi rail $ 25.00 American Models 7716 bay window caboose,NIB CP #437270, hi rail $ 25.00 S Helper #225 Chessie Caboose, C & O # 3202, NIB $ 40.00 S Helper # 594 Chessie Caboose. C & O #3174, NIB $40.00 S Helper #596 CNW Caboose, # 12562, NIB $ 40.00 Contact me off-list if interested. Thanks. Alan Evans Gahanna, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26796	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust

Jim, Thanks for the tip on using Endust on the filter, as Lowe's and Home Depot used to carry a spray like that and now they don't. It really helped to catch more dust as I use a red 3M filter and changed it every 2 months but should change it monthly especially in the summer and winter months of heavy HVAC use. I do know that 3M has now a better filter, as I am not to use those washable filters as they are not as efficient. That is what my HVAC people tell me. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <rcon7@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] To dust or NOT to dust > Your HVAC contractor should be able to get a "filter spray" for you that > makes the filter stickier. Failing that, ENDUST or any other spray dusting > agent (even hair spray) will make the filter sticky and it will catch far more > dust. The toughest filters to keep clean-open are in a beauty shop--ALL the hair > spray in the air. > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26797	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: 1953 Plasticville ad....

Hi Jim, Yes, I had a feeling that was not the case of the legal stuff, but just a thought, as you need to think about all the possible reason on why it may not be AF track, as it was 1953 and I am thinking in the terms of 2003. 1953 was a different era. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <mlmarmer@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 1953 Plasticville ad.... > I doubt "legal considerations" entered into the picture in 1953. Back then > you couldn't find a lawyer under every other rock like you can today. The > manufacturers, other than the competitiveness, were I believe, friendly, for the > most part. Ultimately, Plasticville showed up as both American Flyer and > Lionel offerings. > Just remember, 75% of ALL the lawyers in the world are in the good old USA, > and we have no open season. > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26798	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust

Thanks Larry. I will take a look at that suggestion for the metal electrical charged filter. I would think a Home Depot or Lowe's would have these? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Cc: <rcon7@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <WJJIM@...> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] To dust or NOT to dust > You should use the metal electrical charged one and clean every week. > That is what we did in a building where I was in charge of the air > system. I think they were advertised on the Rush Limbaugh radio show > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > > On Thursday, August 14, 2003, at 07:52 PM, mlmarmer wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > Thanks for the tip on using Endust on the filter, as Lowe's and Home > > Depot > > used to carry a spray like that and now they don't. It really helped > > to > > catch more dust as I use a red 3M filter and changed it every 2 months > > but > > should change it monthly especially in the summer and winter months of > > heavy > > HVAC use. > > > > I do know that 3M has now a better filter, as I am not to use those > > washable > > filters as they are not as efficient. That is what my HVAC people > > tell me. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <WJJIM@...> > > T >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26799	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust - Toto, we not in Kansas anymore...

Sorry....I don't smoke...wife does but she goes outside...I smoked 1 cig in my life..Got sicker than A dog...never smoked another cig or cigar again...(I know someone will bring up whacy tobacky) That's another story...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@...> To: "'robert allen conner'" <rcon7@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] To dust or NOT to dust - Toto, we not in Kansas anymore... > Bob, > > I few less cigars a day may alleviate the dust build up :>) > > I have noticed that some environments are just more dust oriented and > even all the filters and cleaning help but don't prevent it. I think > allot of it has to do with what part of the country you live in and the > humidity etc... > > Later, > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:56 AM > To: STrains; Rick Evans; mlmarmer > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] To dust or NOT to dust > > Guys...I change the a/c filter monthly...with good ones and Had all the > ducts and units cleaned about a year ago...the dust still builds up > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" > <bassflyer@...> > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:56 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] To dust or NOT to dust > > > > Use a good filter in your heating and ac system, like a 3M and change > it > > often. > > > > Mike > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26800	From: Howard	Date: 8/14/2003
Subject: Re: To dust or NOT to dust

Don't forget to consider the Neutron (brand name) filter that you wash and reuse. I have used this brand for years in my home as well as clinical situations for our allergy patients and patients with breathing problems. They don't need electricity to run as the air going through them creates some kind of static type field that catches the dust and pollens. Check with a good heating and air company for these. They are expensive but really work and you only buy them once. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains 1201 Hemingway Dr. Roseville, CA 95747 916-773-4415 916-769-8362 cell/day --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26801	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1975

In a message dated 8/15/03 5:19:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > The toughest filters to keep clean-open are in a beauty shop--ALL the hair > spray in the air. > Jim Lyle > Jim, I have to respectfully disagree. My house built in 1885, which is still going through renovation, is the hardest to keep clean.Evrytime we tear a wall out and put it back in you have a little dust. Plaster,coal and 100 plus yrs of nasty build up. Then stripping and sanding woodwork isn't dust free either. Going on 9 yrs now and getting closer to the 3rd floor train room. Yippeeeeee! CB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26802	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: [SSTOT] Digest Number 48

Mounting 802's on TMs and SD60s is not the same. I put 802s (actually the brown 806's) on my hirail SD60 by truck (talgo) mounting them without a draft box and they work fine. For AF radius I have to leave the coupler loose enough to swing a bit to prevent derailing the following car. For wider radii I think the coupler could be left tight to self center. The front end got an AM snowplow and dummy coupler mounted the same way and that looks good. See S-Trains for a picture or ask me for one.. It appeared the TM would require cutting the tab off the power truck to body mount. Therefore I left the TM alone for now and use the big claw and a transition car. If you're dedicated to 802s, then removal of the coupler tab on the TM might be the way you want to go. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <SSTOT@yahoogroups.com> To: <SSTOT@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: [SSTOT] Digest Number 48 > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > SSTOT-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Couplers > From: "strain97009" <Borore@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:19:59 -0000 > From: "strain97009" <Borore@...> > Subject: Couplers > > Greg, > One of the pictures you have posted in the Files Section shows a side > view of the AM SD60 with an 802 coupler on it. I'm wondering if the > coupler is body mounted or is it on the truck bracket? I'm guessing > that mounting the couplers on the Trainmasters would/could be done > the same way and was wondering what you did. > Thanks. > Bob > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26803	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: blackout report

Well folks, power has been restored in my neighborhood after about a 12 hour outage. If this stuff keeps up it is sure going to raise hob with our hobby! I am sure that a lot of you were affected, but for those that missed all the fun, i am submitting a short report. The blackout actually hit while I was climbing the stairs out of my local Broadway subway station. Had it hit one minute earlier, I would have been trapped in my train in the tunnel. I noticed nothing amiss until I got to the top of the stairs, where the traffic light was dead. After catching my breath, I went to a Chinese restaurant. They had no power and made me some Won Ton soup in total darkness. By now it was obvious that the outage was general, so I stopped off for a cheeseburger to go at the local luncheonette, which they made by flashlight. Armed with a 2 liter bottle of coke and a spare battery for my radio, I slowly climbed the 8 flights of stairs to my apartment, which took about 15 minutes. Already had a good stock of candles, batteries, and bottled water in place. The sidewalks of Broadway were filled with a solid stream of people walking home uptown, since there were no subways, from about 4 to 10 PM. After that, all the thrill seekers came out, carrying every conceiveable kind of illumination. People's spirits were high -- many took chairs down to the sidewalks and socialized, and guitars and singing were heard. There was much less traffic than usual, much less noise, and of course, almost total darkness except for car headlights and the moonlight. The Yankees were playing in Baltimore, so I listened to the ball game on the radio by candle light. Those who live in the outer boroughs and suburbs had a much tougher time getting home. Some ended up sleeping on the sidewalks. I'm sure there are thousands of stories to tell. Many found accommodations with friends or family in Manhattan. This morning when I woke power was back on. I kept an appointment with my doctor at a hospital on the East side. They still had not gotten their power back, and the normally gleaming hospital was lit by dim emergency illumination which was a weird and somber sight. Their computers were down, but their mood was up. And that's it for now. Hope this does not happen again! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26804	From: jaytewilli	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Skirt Repair

Can anyone recommend a reputable individual who is an expert on repairing AF Passenger Car skirts? I'll handle just about any mechanical repair, but I'm really not set up for body repair and repaint. I don't really want to "practice" on this passenger car I have. :) Thanks for any info..... Daryl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26805	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: Skirt Repair

Mike Farner inn Kentucky, I believe, is someone who does or knows someone who will do that repair. I have his card on file, as he is in the TCA book, if you are a member. If not, let me know and I will get you his phone number. Mike comes to allot of Greenberg shows, plus York and is a pretty decent person to deal with. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "jaytewilli" <jaytewilli@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Skirt Repair > Can anyone recommend a reputable individual who is an expert on > repairing AF Passenger Car skirts? I'll handle just about any > mechanical repair, but I'm really not set up for body repair and > repaint. I don't really want to "practice" on this passenger car I > have. :) Thanks for any info..... > > Daryl > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26806	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: Skirt Repair

Daryl.....Get an old car and try it...Its not that hard....I am presently trying to replace A hopper step by making A rubber mold from the opposite corner...Then fill the mold with epoxy...test paint on some other plastic till you get a match....Try the Hobby Shop...Look at their paint color charts....You can usually find something very close....then tweak it....I had a 652 pass car that had A big portion of the end broke off....worked fine...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "jaytewilli" <jaytewilli@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Skirt Repair > Can anyone recommend a reputable individual who is an expert on > repairing AF Passenger Car skirts? I'll handle just about any > mechanical repair, but I'm really not set up for body repair and > repaint. I don't really want to "practice" on this passenger car I > have. :) Thanks for any info..... > > Daryl > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26807	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 17, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26808	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Skirt Repair

Daryl: I have done a lot of this kind of cosmetic repair work. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26809	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: skirt repair

Sometimes the plastic in the 960 series streamlined passenger cars shrinks to the point where some of the skirts break off. I have seen sets in which every car had broken skirts. In such a case, you have to not only repair or replace the skirts, but also grind down the sheet metal floors slightly and provide some kind of rust proofing on their newly ground edges. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26810	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: skirt repair

Tom....you just touched a spot with me....I have 2 652 heavyweights.....1947 long trunks.....but the metal frames appear to be just a tad longer than the shells...Is this what happed also? Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] skirt repair > Sometimes the plastic in the 960 series streamlined passenger cars shrinks > to the point where some of the skirts break off. I have seen sets in which > every car had broken skirts. In such a case, you have to not only repair > or replace the skirts, but also grind down the sheet metal floors slightly > and provide some kind of rust proofing on their newly ground edges. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26811	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: York motels....

I have always stayed at the Billy Bud HI every time I went to York....From 82 to 91..then my return trip after many years last Oct....This time I found a room at the Days Inn right beside it...anyone ever stay there....Is it nice? The rate I got was 39.00 per night from the 15 to 19 th...Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26812	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: Computer help....Off topic

Somewhere...somehow...I had changed a setting in my computer....When I send any e-mails...like this one for example, I used to get a copy in the IN BOX.....now it only shows up in the DELETED ITEMS....also I am finding lots of e-bay invoices, letters, etc. showing up here also...Ergo...I never see them as I usually just hit delete all....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26813	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: Computer help....Off topic

Bob, Check your blocked email settings, as that is what could be happening, if you accidentally hit an email address to be blocked, as that is where they go! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Computer help....Off topic > Somewhere...somehow...I had changed a setting in my computer....When I send > any e-mails...like this one for example, I used to get a copy in the IN > BOX.....now it only shows up in the DELETED ITEMS....also I am finding lots > of e-bay invoices, letters, etc. showing up here also...Ergo...I never see > them as I usually just hit delete all....Bob Conner > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26814	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: skirt repair -- heavyweights

Bob : as I remember it, the long truck heavyweights had acetate plastic floors, which tend to shrink. it has been years since I had one in the shop. Most heavyweight floors shrink enough to wreck the screw holes and even break the car ends. The steps tend to warp down and foul the trucks too I think the bakelite of early heavyweight bodies is relatively stable compared to other early Flyer plastics. It just is very brittle and did not accept paint. We do need a good supply of accurately engineered replacement floors for our heavyweights. Perhaps the first guy to repro these cars, who will probably get rich, could make up some extra floors. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26815	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/15/2003
Subject: Re: skirt repair -- heavyweights

Tom....I should have looked before I spoke.....The pass shells are longer than the plastic bases....by 3/16" +-...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] skirt repair -- heavyweights > Bob : as I remember it, the long truck heavyweights had acetate plastic > floors, which tend to shrink. it has been years since I had one in the > shop. Most heavyweight floors shrink enough to wreck the screw holes and > even break the car ends. The steps tend to warp down and foul the trucks > too > > I think the bakelite of early heavyweight bodies is relatively stable > compared to other early Flyer plastics. It just is very brittle and did > not accept paint. > > We do need a good supply of accurately engineered replacement floors for > our heavyweights. Perhaps the first guy to repro these cars, who will > probably get rich, could make up some extra floors. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26816	From: Michael Greene	Date: 8/16/2003
Subject: Re: New Haven show

Am behind on email and you may have already received replies to this... Usually the New Haven show is well attended by S folks -- I know the Bristol S Gaugers will be there with our modular layout. Also usually there are the Connecticut club with their layout, S Helper Service, Port Lines Hobby Supplies, and a few others. And of course the organizers (The Vanacores) who are an S dealer as well. Michael At 10:47 PM 8/11/2003, jarcho@... wrote: >Is anyone on the list planning to attend the New Haven show this weekend? >And is the train show part of the festivities on saturday or sunday? > >Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26817	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1976

TOM: Sounds like you and the rest of New York had an interesting experience. I would have run an extension cord over to you, except that someone in Ohio might have stumbled over it. If this happens in the future you may have to start running your trains on wet cell batteries as we did in the 30's. Colorado didn't have power in a lot of the outlining areas. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26818	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 8/16/2003
Subject: Gene Fletcher

The world of S gauge has lost one of it's Greats. Gene Fletcher, 87, died on Friday, August 15th 2003, at a senior health care center in Brunswick, ME. He has left us, but he did not leave us without a strong S gauge heritage. He was of the first generation of S scalers; he was there at the beginning. He was a co-founding member of the Bristol S Gaugers, he wrote many years for the S Gauge Herald and most recently, he encouraged the formation of the Maine S Gaugers and acted as a mentor for the group. But more than that, Gene was the kind of guy you took an instant liking to. He would answer your questions, give suggestions, he was very encouraging. Maybe some one from the Bristol S Gaugers could expand on Gene's famous home brew. Could this be the glue (brew) that held the early group together? I've heard that a lot of the meetings were held at his place. He will be missed! Tom Stoltz Maine S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26819	From: jhwysopal	Date: 8/16/2003
Subject: skirt repairs

I have a 654 heavyweigth observation car with an upper corner broken off above the opening door. What should I use to repair it? What brand of putty or whatever. I am not afraid to touch up the paint but have no idea on what to use for the filler. thanks, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26820	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/16/2003
Subject: Re: skirt repairs

Copy of an older message....the hobby sells mold material....you can do large areas.........Get an old car and try it...Its not that hard....I am presently trying to replace A hopper step by making A rubber mold from the opposite corner...Then fill the mold with epoxy...test paint on some other plastic till you get a match....Try the Hobby Shop...Look at their paint color charts....You can usually find something very close....then tweak it....I had a 652 pass car that had A big portion of the end broke off....worked fine...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "jhwysopal" <jwysopal@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] skirt repairs > I have a 654 heavyweigth observation car with an upper corner broken > off above the opening door. What should I use to repair it? What > brand of putty or whatever. I am not afraid to touch up the paint > but have no idea on what to use for the filler. > thanks, > Jim > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26821	From: John Brockmann	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Docksider help

Hi all. Is there anything that can be done with a docksider that has broken plastic headlight lens cover or broken plastic rear coupler screw holder? Is there anyway to restore this? Thanks in advance,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26822	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Docksider help

John...I have made a mold and built up with epoxy where side screw mounts have broken out on Atlantics and Pacific's...Then redrilled....I have also fill bigger or cracked screw holes with epoxy....redrilled....Etc....Bob Conner > Hi all. Is there anything that can be done with a docksider that has > broken plastic headlight lens cover or broken plastic rear coupler > screw holder? Is there anyway to restore this? Thanks in > advance,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26823	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 17, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26824	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Paint Schemes

Hi Folks Here is a neat website for loco Paint schemes http://usloki.tripod.com/ John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26825	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: passenger details

There's been a recent series In Railmodel Journal - very good. Although it focuses on Walthers new HO cars, almost all of what's said coould be adopted to S scale. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26826	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Just curious.

I ask this question not to bash the seller or to question tactics, but to see what I am missing. I came across an e-Bay auction that has me wondering what really makes this car worth the price paid..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3142176129&category=480 What am I missing? Looks like the one I have on my layout except mine is a lot nicer! gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26827	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.

Gary, Must be the special doors, although I've not heard of this variation before. The painted version is a bit less common than the unpainted one, but that's quite a price! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26828	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.

I almost missed it too. but look close at the roof. see the ice hatches ? This otherwise normal box car was made using a reefer car body , That will make it somewhat rare. I have not seen this on this car . but I do have a B&O 633 that is a reefer but with reefer doors, not box car doors as this one has. Is it authentic ? I would say yes. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26829	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.

Ron, Good eye. I noticed the ice hatches, but it didn't sink in. What about the "molded stops" that keep the doors from closing? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26830	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.

The only cars that would need door stops were the milk car & the package unloading car as far as I know? What caused this variation ? & Why is it reported that only were made? can't say

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26831	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.

That's because it is a reefer instead of a boxcar. Quite rare. Shows a rating of *5 in the TM book. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26832	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/17/2003
Subject: Re: Just curious.

Ah, and if I look under "Reefers" there it is! This is why I don't really like guide books that separate stuff by car types--I much prefer by numbers! At least they could have added, "See Reefer Section for other variations," etc. S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26833	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Farewell, Gene

>>> SNIP Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:37:56 -0400 From: "Thomas Stoltz" <tstoltz@...> Subject: Gene Fletcher The world of S gauge has lost one of its Greats. Gene Fletcher, 87, died on Friday, August 15th 2003, at a senior health care center in Brunswick, ME. He has left us, but he did not leave us without a strong S gauge heritage. . . . >>> Thanks, Tom, for letting us know about Gene Fletcher's last run. I was privileged to have known Gene as a fellow writer in the "Old Timers' Circuit," which was sort of a precursor to this e-mail list. We shared information about S gauging with round-robin letters, from Georgia to Idaho, from Maine to Alabama. Shared, hah! I just listened to these masters: Jess Bennett, Gene Fletcher, Russ Mobley, Ed Filer, Al Sonnenberg, and John Beck. Sadly, Ed, Russ, and now Gene are gone. These fellows and those like them are the ones who kept the S flame burning during the darkest days, and we ALL owe them so much. They were the master craftsmen, and what beautiful models they created! Like you said, Tom, what wonderful teachers they were, and are! Gene and Beverly were the perfect hosts when we visited their home in Brunswick after the '98 NASG Convention. Gene was 82 at the time, and just starting another layout. He sold me several hundred pieces of Flyer track, most of which now graces our club's layout, Lookout Junction. Although Gene served in another armed service, yet he was indirectly related to the Fletchers of the "Fletcher Class" destroyers of the U.S. Navy (one of which I served aboard), and he worked as a civilian for the Navy. Therefore, it is appropriate that sailors everywhere wish him "fair winds and following seas" as he starts his final journey. Farewell, Gene, and thank you for believing in the rest of us. John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26834	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Archives

>>>How does one access the archives as mentioned in this discussion? From one who is barely computer literate. Chuck Porter<<< For the S-scale archives, double click on the URL below, or copy and paste it into your browser ADDRESS box. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ Similarly for S-trains http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ Then look in the box on the left. Click on the topic that interests you; messages, files, photos, etc. For Edit My Membership such as switching message delivery status, look in the upper right. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26835	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS

<<<We do need a good supply of accurately engineered replacement floors for our heavyweights. Perhaps the first guy to repro these cars, who will probably get rich, could make up some extra floors. >>> Well....we ain't rich, but we do have the repro shells, and have had them for some time. You'll find them pictured under "What's New?" (which they aren't) on our website. Our intention is to also do the floors, but I've kind of postpones this due the the lack of repro trucks to use with them. Repro hvywt trucks used to be available, but no longer are. BTW--- In a recent discussion with the AF rep at Lionel, I was told that the heavyweight tooling has all been found, and that it is in "excellent" condition.....so don't be surprised if we see these cars back in the AF line before too long! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26836	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS

In a message dated 8/18/2003 1:08:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, doug@... writes: > BTW--- In a recent discussion with the AF rep at Lionel, I was told that > the > heavyweight tooling has all been found, and that it is in "excellent" > condition.....so don't be surprised if we see these cars back in the AF line > before too long! > Hope so, but it may not be a simple reintroduction to pull off. I've seen test shots and they do not look too bad, however, Lionel and potential customers will have to decide on whether or not they can live with the parting seam line that runs the length of the roofs of the combination and Pullman cars. We did live with it, of course, in "the old days", but this feature usually would not be cosmetically acceptable on a completely new issue of a piece of rolling stock. One good thing is that they could restore the rivet detail that was removed from the car ends in 1953. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26837	From: XENOZOICMAN@AOL.COM	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Upcoming show in CLEVELAND Ohio

The Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association will be hosting our 20th annual Cleveland Model Train & Toy Show, this upcoming Sunday, August 24th. The location will be at the (UAW) United Auto Workers' Hall, 5615 Chevy Blvd. Parma Ohio, from 10am to 3pm Two of our three portable layouts will be up and running thru out the show. A limited number of tables are still available, for those who might wish to set up. Contact Lee McCarty at MACSIR@... for registration information. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26838	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: K-Line rolling stock

I just uploaded some snapshots of my new K-Line rolling stock. A box car and a tank car. http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=albun29 or http://s-scale.org/albums/albun29 I like them. I know some folks don't like them, and thats OK too. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26839	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line rolling stock

***(((I just uploaded some snapshots of my new K-Line rolling stock. A box car and a tank car.)))*** Thanks Paul for the posting pics...and I was the first viewer!! I'm #1....I'm #1....sorry,..it was hot today!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26840	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS

Doug, Interesting news, as these were supposedly auctioned off with the machinery they were reportedly still in during the factory closing. Two things however: As I understand it, with the move to China, ALL tooling is completely reverse engineered from original pieces. Also, the lack of repro trucks shouldn't hold up the floor project, as most of us have complete cars with bad floors. I.E. We don' need no stinkin' trucks, man! ;-) Looking at the present price of nice heavywieghts, I think $50 a pop, or around there, cars would fly out of the boxes! S' David D. PS end rivets or no end rivets!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26841	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: AF on TV kids program

My kids were watching UPN at 5:30 Eastern. The program is called David and Goliath. Goliath is a dog. It is not a cartoon, but whatever the process is called where there are 3 dimensional figures that are animated. Anyway, there was a railroad station scene with an AF Atlantic and some AF boxcars going by... anyone else know about this? Would love so get new heavy weights. Dwight Lehnhoff Knoxville TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26842	From: David	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: AF on TV kids program

Its called Clamation. I loved to watch that show when I was young. Its been around a LONG time. I recall seeing that episode, but my memory is vague. OK.... Daaaaavie :) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "dwightlehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@h...> wrote: > My kids were watching UPN at 5:30 Eastern. The program is called > David and Goliath. Goliath is a dog. It is not a cartoon, but > whatever the process is called where there are 3 dimensional figures > that are animated. Anyway, there was a railroad station scene with > an AF Atlantic and some AF boxcars going by... anyone else know about > this? > > Would love so get new heavy weights. > > Dwight Lehnhoff > Knoxville TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26843	From: SSabino39@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: New Haven Show

Went to the New Haven show on Sunday. Several S gauge dealers present, Doug of Portlines, as always. Question: The paint scheme on the AF Rocket- was there significant overspray on this engine ? Every one I have seen has over spray, especially on the top of the diesel. I know these were manufactured as "toys" in another era, and do not measure up to the standards of say, the S-Helper cars I saw at the show, but still, the engines do not look as good in person as they are pictured in the old AF catalogs. Also, was it a standard practice to have the date stamped on the inside of the shell of the diesel ? I purchased a Rocket diesel shell and found, " Oct 1953 " stamped on the inside of the shell on top.( in remarkably good shape) One more thing !! How easy ( or difficult) is it to "re-chrome" an old AF passenger car ? I saw a few that had "drippy" ends and were in too good of shape for a fifty year old toy. Of course, they were represented as "original " Tom Jarcho, what do you have to say about all this ? Thanks!! Rich Sabino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26844	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Rocket

Rich: I do not like the Rocket, Streak, Flash, and Comet, and don't own any of them. Therefore I haven't made much of a study of pecularities such as overspray, etc. There are guys on this list who know a lot more about that than I do. It was standard practice to have the date stamped inside the body. I have not actually handled any rechromed bodies and am not sure how to tell. I guess I would look at the lettering really closely. Not sure if "dipping marks" mean anything. Bodies can certainly be rechromed, and Doug Peck offers this service. I have not compared one to an original. I don't think it is something that can easily be done at home. No paint comes close to duplicating this finish. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26845	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: AF on TV kids program

Dear David, Not to get too far off topic, but I thought it was claymation. Isn't Clamation how they make the clams walk in the "Alice in Wonderland" movie? David wrote: >Its called Clamation. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26846	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: New Haven Show

In a message dated 8/18/03 10:21:25 PM, SSabino39@... writes: << Question: The paint scheme on the AF Rocket- was there significant overspray on this engine? Every one I have seen has over spray, especially on the top of the diesel. I know these were manufactured as "toys" in another era, and do not measure up to the standards of say, the S-Helper cars I saw at the show, but still, the engines do not look as good in person as they are pictured in the old AF catalogs. >> Yes, there is some overspray on Silver Rockets. This appears to have been less of a problem with the Silvers Flash, Comet, and Chief. There is no overspray problem on the Silver Streak for the obvious reason. :-) The masks were less precise in those days -- write it up as part of the charm of a 50 year old toy train. Orders for trains in 1953 exceeded the ability of Gilbert's facilities to produce and, consequently, 1953 is not one AF's best years for QC. Overspray is usually much less on the satin silver versions in 1954-55. Those of sharp eye will notice that the details of decoration of the Rocket, as applied to the shells, are different from the illustration in the catalogs. << Also, was it a standard practice to have the date stamped on the inside of the shell of the diesel? I purchased a Rocket diesel shell and found, " Oct 1953 " stamped on the inside of the shell on top.( in remarkably good shape) >> Yes, PA, PB, and GP shells were date-stamped. Chrome Rockets stamped Oct 1953 are fairly common. << One more thing !! How easy (or difficult) is it to "re-chrome" an old AF passenger car ? I saw a few that had "drippy" ends and were in too good of shape for a fifty year old toy. Of course, they were represented as "original " >> You will have to describe what "drippy ends" means. The usual problem of car ends is flaking. Legitimate distortions in the plastic on the ends will be highlighted by the chrome. Yes, cars can be rechromed --see Doug Peck about this process. Hope this helps, Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26847	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: Rocket

In a message dated 8/18/03 10:38:11 PM, jarcho@... writes: << I do not like the Rocket, Streak, Flash, and Comet, and don't own any of them. >> Pity. The angels weep for you! :-) When chrome is near perfect, it's dazzling. BTW, a complete boxed 1954 Silver Flash set (satin silver) with all set contents is about the most difficult to find ALCo PA passenger set of all. By comparison, I've seen more complete boxed '58 MP Eagle sets. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26848	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS

In a message dated 8/18/03 8:17:38 PM, djdewey@... writes: << Interesting news, as these were supposedly auctioned off with the machinery they were reportedly still in during the factory closing. >> None of the original Gilbert tooling was auctioned. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26849	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: AF on TV kids program

***(((anyone else know about this?)))**** Gosh yes,....watched it all the time as a kid!! Don't remember the train episode though. I would like to see it!! I still use the line that Goliath the dog always said, somethin' like... " I dunno Daaaaavy!".....I memory fails me at times!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26850	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: For those who didn't watch Davey & Goliath....

http://www.awn.com/heaven_and_hell/DG/DG1.htm .....and for those, like me,...that USED to!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26851	From: J.Frederick Roberts	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/18/03 8:17:38 PM, djdewey@c... writes: > > << Interesting news, as these were supposedly auctioned off with the > machinery they were reportedly still in during the factory closing. >> > > None of the original Gilbert tooling was auctioned. > > RB Are we talking about Production Dies, or actual tooling? jfred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26852	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Flyonel...Paint loss??

Has anyone had problems with FLYONEL {am I spelling it right? ;^)}rolling stock from the early 90's (or any year for THAT matter!)..loosing paint? Flaking off in big ol' pieces?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26853	From: carl tuveson	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel...Paint loss??

The only one that I have heard about was the 92 State of Main 48313 boxcar. Lionel had a recall on it and you could order a free replacement shell. The red paint would flake off if I remember correctly. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel...Paint loss?? > Has anyone had problems with FLYONEL {am I spelling it right? ;^)}rolling stock from the early 90's (or any year for THAT matter!)..loosing paint? Flaking off in big ol' pieces?? > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26854	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: Flyonel...Paint loss??

**((((The only one that I have heard about was the 92 State of Main 48313 boxcar. Lionel had a recall on it and you could order a free replacement shell. The red paint would flake off if I remember correctly.))))**** That's the one Carl!!! I just got one off eBay....Mint--New in box... opened it up and one coupler fell apart,...and quite a bit of red paint flaked off and is flaking off. I have contacted the seller,..we'll see what happens. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26855	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: AF on TV kids program

Don Wrote: 'Not to get too far off topic, but I thought it was claymation. Isn't Clamation how they make the clams walk in the "Alice in Wonderland" movie?" I had to read that twice! ROFL!!! Don, you have been reading too many of my puns. . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26856	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: Rocket

HI all, RB wrote: "BTW, a complete boxed 1954 Silver Flash set (satin silver) with all set contents is about the most difficult to find ALCo PA passenger set of all. By comparison, I've seen more complete boxed '58 MP Eagle sets." That is probably because the MP sets were left over in fair quantities, so survived as non-played-with train sets. I know my friend, Mike, bought his MP set from a stack in a store on closeout at something like $35 each. He wishes now he had purchased more than one! I would think any '54 sets left-over would have sold well the next season, as trains were "HOT" toys until about '56. S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26857	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/18/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS

The story I heard was that the molding machines were auctioned off, often with the molding dies still in them. The theory was that the heavyweight dies were either in some machines or they were done by a subcontractor, and were lost in the sales process. Yes big L bought all the tooling that was stockpiled. Interestingly, they immediately reported that it was all worn out, and they would scrap it all. At the time, I questioned this, as I knew some of the tooling had just been reworked a few years before (even as a high-school kid, I was fascinated with the manufacturing process and read and studied more than I should have). So now Big L states that the tooling has been found and is in "excellent" condition. Hmm, will wonders never cease. But if they do make some heavyweights, who am I to complain??? The more tooling they "find" and use, the better for us! Now about the heavyweight car frames. IF they are redone, should the battery & equipment boxes have some lid and hinge details molded in, instead of being plain?? (I know, it will require a multi-part mold to avoid reverse (oh drat, I can't think of the term now!) ---. Anyway, would we "purists" want that extra detail on our cars? It would be one way to spot the repro from the original. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26858	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: Re: Chroming, or re-chroming

As was already mentioned, there is NO----absolutely NO---- spray-on paint that will give you a CHROME finish! I don't care what the label on the can says, or what the cap looks like....chrome finish cannot be re=produced from a spray can. The re-chroming that we do for our customers involves the usual vacuum-plating process. Getting metal parts chromed (like a Silver Bullet tender) is not difficult. There are many outfits around that do metal. But very few of them can also do plastic shells. How do you recognize a rechromes shell???? I would look for two things in particular.....(a) a nice chrome finish over top of minute nicks or scratches. It is almost impossible to prepare the original shell so perfectly that there are NO surface imperfections left on it....you probably won't even notice them until it is chromed. But once it has been chromed, they stand out like a sore thumb! (b) Look at the decals or new lettering; restoration of these, especially stamped lettering, is usually pretty obvious. It would be pretty unlikely to see restored lettering on an original near-perfect chrome shell! BTW---one last observation....the Gilbert white plastic shells (like the early 360 shells) do not handle the chroming process well. They take some special procedures to prepare them and create a decent finish. I assume it has to do with the composition of that white plastic. All other Gilbert shells chrome just fine. We have done chrome cabeese, chrome baggage and operating mailcars (which make a great addition to the Silver Bullet set!, and other items which are quite striking when seen this way! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26859	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: NASG cars

TWO THINGS: (1) THE 2003 AF CAR: By now, everyone who had pre-ordered the 2003 NASG AF car (UP chrome tanker) should have received it. All I have left to mail are a handful of orders that arrived within the past week. This car has drawn some great comments, as well as follow-up orders. We still have about 100 of them left, so if you still want one (or more), you can still place an order. Now that we have taken delivery of the car, there is NO LIMIT to the quantity you may purchase. But remember that it is ONLY available to NASG members, so if you're not already a member and you want the car, you need to incl ude $20 for NASG dues as well. Contact me direct if you have any questions. (2) THE 2004 AF CAR: We are already beginning to consider possibilities for the 2004 car. Although tank cars sell very well, we have done about three in a row now, and I would like to do something different for 2004. My initial thought is this----now that we know that Lnl has the original tooling for the depressed-center flatcar, perhaps we could use that car in 2004....at least it would be something different! If anyone has knowledge and pictures of a REAL (i.e, prototypical) depressed-center flatcar that we could consider, please let me know, or aim me to a website image. We would probably have to stick to a reel for the load, at least this time, since we know the reel is available. I don't want to use some other load that Lnl may have used on their O cars, unless it is S-scale compatible. Obtaining a load from another manufacturer, and having Lnl attach it to their car is a possibility, but creates roadblocks and potential delays. Bottom-line: I'm looking for suggestions of a prototypical d-c flatcar, and a prototypical and attractive/colorful reel face. Ideas????? (BTW----We probably don't want to clutter up the mail-list (esp. the S-Trains list) with comments and suggestions.....I just wanted to use it to get the word out. So please contact me direct, off-list. Thanks.) Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) <http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26860	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: Re: HVYWEIGHTS

In a message dated 8/19/2003 1:26:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, djdewey@... writes: > << The story I heard was ........>> > Rumors, rumors, rumors. :-)) RB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26861	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1979

In a message dated 8/19/03 1:26:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Thanks Paul for the posting pics...and I was the first viewer!! I'm > #1....I'm #1....sorry,..it was hot today!! > > Rick. > Hurry Rick, Call David Dewey! He has medicne for this! CB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26862	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: FLYONEL us K-Line

I am enjoying running my K-Line cars. So is it better to own 2 K-line Cars that are a bit over sized or one FLYONEL with Over Sized Trucks that don't run as well as K-Line? I am picking K-Line on running issues. So you can run fast trains if you want and not worry about the cost of damage. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26863	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: Re: FLYONEL us K-Line

JAMES SLEETH wrote: >So is it better to own 2 K-line Cars that are a bit >over sized or one FLYONEL with Over Sized Trucks >that don't run as well as K-Line? > > > > Ok, since you asked for advice, take the trucks off the K-line and put on the FLYONEL. Take the old FLYONEL trucks and put on the K-line, then visit eBay ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26864	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: 0N3 Passenter cars

The Bachmann cars are about 41 feet not counting the platforms and 47 with the plateform. The windows are about 38 feet. So if you had 1/2 of a car you might gain or about 18 feet are we any where close to having a car in prototype size? It would be great to get 2 large cars out of 3 Bachmann passenger cars. 47+18=65 feet the AM Observation car is 69 feet. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26865	From: redhat662001	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: 2004 NASG Flyer annual offer

Doug Peck, and list members: I'm suggesting a slightly different approach for the next few years. How about adopting a theme, and offer cars, maybe even locos, all made to the theme, over a period of time. Example: GE Industrial Railroad in Schenectady NY. First year offer the depressed center flat w/cable reel both lettered GE. The following year the Flyer Baldwin Switcher and (Reading-style) Caboose, both also lettered GE. For the third year release, the Flyer Gondola and regular Flat Car, lettered GE. Read about the GE Industrial RR in RMC Oct 1981 p66. Except for the Baldwin, the GE RR used the car types I mentioned, including the caboose, according to the RMC article. Apparently, GE favored using GE-produced locos on their own RR. Hmm..duh..oh! Sure, there will be some different challenges for this approach, maybe like trademark licensing. But maybe sales for the three-year period would be greater because of the collection appeal of a unique trainset. Maybe something similar could be worked out, using a different theme, with SHS and/or AM so NASG members running "scale" flanges could/would participate. Just a suggestion for discussion from a plain ol' member. Regards to all. Leigh Swanson Detroit, Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26866	From: Jim V	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: 775 Baggage Loading Platform

Does anyone have any idea how to get the baggage to travel all the way down the chute into the car? I've tried polishing the chute and it feels real slick but no luck. Also tried silicone, flour, corn startch to help the process. Also tried to help with the same process on the loads. Thanks JimmyV __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26867	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: Re: 775 Baggage Loading Platform

What worked for me was really good connections and my highest voltage output transformer. I think a Lionel or Flyer with 18V output would also help. Also, make sure the power switch contacts are good and clean. Converting the AC to full wave DC might also be something to try. I've had 2 accessories that are critical to good connections- this one and the lifter on my old style log loader. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim V" <jimmyv42@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 775 Baggage Loading Platform > Does anyone have any idea how to get the baggage to > travel all the way down the chute into the car? I've > tried polishing the chute and it feels real slick but > no luck. Also tried silicone, flour, corn startch to > help the process. Also tried to help with the same > process on the loads. > > Thanks > > JimmyV > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26868	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: baggage loading platform

It helps to raise the far side a little to increase the angle. Use a small piece of cardboard or something. There is a lot of stuff about the 770 Loading Platform in the archives. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26869	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/19/2003
Subject: eBay item 2428407755 (Ends Aug-26-03 193829 PDT) - 1995 American Fl

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6727&item=2428407755 Every layout of AF could use one of these! LOL! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26870	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/20/2003
Subject: List Management Change

List Change: I have enabled a new feature on the list. When some joins (or rejoins the list) they will be put in 'moderate' mode. This will be removed after they make their first S-Trains related post. I added these words to the welcome message: "NEW MEMBER STATUS: This is not a 'moderated' list, but as a new member your first post will be 'moderated'. After your first post is accepted and published you will get full un-moderated membership in the list. " Let me know if you have any questions. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26871	From: Karl Raab	Date: 8/20/2003
Subject: RDC's

Hi Ebay was having trouble tonight so I decided to go thru my list of favorite websites and visit some that I have overlooked...[It was that or sort my sock drawer:) ] I clicked on Penn Heritage models and found that their RDC's may be offered again this fall. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/rdc.htm I missed out on these the first time around...does anyone remember the price? Thanx...Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26872	From: martyl11	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: RS-1

Hi, I'm new to this group. I'm looking for a American Models RS-1 in PRR colors, would like it to be A/C Hi-Rail and for about $125.00. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26873	From: wd511	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: Big Boy

Any news on that possible K-Line locomotive?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26874	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: Re: RS-1

Dear Marty, Unless things have changed, the only RS unit from AM is the RS-3. Don martyl11 wrote: >Hi, I'm new to this group. I'm looking for a American Models RS-1 in >PRR colors, would like it to be A/C Hi-Rail and for about $125.00. >Thanks! > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26875	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: Re: RDC's

They were in the neighborhood of $200 as I recall. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Raab" <Frilen@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RDC's > Hi > Ebay was having trouble tonight so I decided to go thru my list of > favorite websites and visit some that I have overlooked...[It was > that or sort my sock drawer:) ] I clicked on Penn Heritage models and > found that their RDC's may be offered again this fall. > http://www.paheritagemodels.com/rdc.htm > I missed out on these the first time around...does anyone remember > the price? > Thanx...Karl > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26876	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: just asking

hey guys! i have an old set from my childhood that i will be trying to get off the ground (and out of the box!) in the next few months (hopefully by christmas), but i am curious. i would like to pick up new rolling stock and engines, but can't afford them because of the prices. why are the prices so high on these things? is it because of the limited audience available to purchase them? or is the cost of materials that high? just asking. thanks! dan boone [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26877	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: Re: just asking

Dan, Good questions, but not many answers. For just runnin' stock, the K-line cars provide the best "New Car" prices. Actually, with inflation figured in, the prices aren't as bad as we think, but that doesn't make the purchasing any easier! As far as the new stuff put out by other than Flyonel or K-line, the level of detail and quality of product is probably the reason for the higher prices, although quantity sold does fit into the formula (if twice as much were sold, I'm certain prices would be somewhat lower because of the savings in tooling amortization, etc.). That being said; for those who can afford it, this is one of the most exciting times to be in S gauge, there is so much variety of product out there, more than when ACG was at its prime! And way more than any of us dared dream in the "dark days" of the early 1970s. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26878	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 8/21/2003
Subject: How about better trucks in FLYONEL

JAMES SLEETH wrote: >So is it better to own 2 K-line Cars that are a bit >over sized or one FLYONEL with Over Sized Trucks >that don't run as well as K-Line? > > > > Ok, since you asked for advice, take the trucks off the K-line and put on the FLYONEL. Take the old FLYONEL trucks and put on the K-line, then visit eBay ;-) No the cost would now be $70 and you risk damaging the $50 FLYONEL. How about good S gauge trucks on the FLYONEL in th first place. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26879	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: How about better trucks in FLYONEL

Flyonel won't get any more money from me for rolling stock(after Mo & Joe) until they improve their trucks. Even the nifty chrome NASG tank car wasn't worth the money with the trucks they offered. Sorry NASG, maybe K-Line or S-Helper with improved, sprung trucks should make next year's car. It might even be less expensive. My opinion, Alex (innotron) JAMES SLEETH wrote: > JAMES SLEETH wrote: > > >So is it better to own 2 K-line Cars that are a bit > >over sized or one FLYONEL with Over Sized Trucks > >that don't run as well as K-Line? > > > > > > > > > Ok, since you asked for advice, take the trucks off > the K-line and put > on the FLYONEL. > > Take the old FLYONEL trucks and put on the K-line, > then visit eBay ;-) > > No the cost would now be $70 and you risk damaging the > $50 FLYONEL. How about good S gauge trucks on the > FLYONEL in th first place. > > Jim Sleeth > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26880	From: John Brockmann	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: Chroming, or re-chroming

I wonder what the group's opinion is on re-chroming. Does that decrease or increase the value? Hmmmmmm. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@p...> wrote: > As was already mentioned, there is NO----absolutely NO---- spray-on paint > that will give you a CHROME finish! I don't care what the label on the can > says, or what the cap looks like....chrome finish cannot be re=produced from > a spray can. > The re-chroming that we do for our customers involves the usual > vacuum-plating process. Getting metal parts chromed (like a Silver Bullet > tender) is not difficult. There are many outfits around that do metal. But > very few of them can also do plastic shells. > How do you recognize a rechromes shell???? > I would look for two things in particular.....(a) a nice chrome finish over > top of minute nicks or scratches. It is almost impossible to prepare the > original shell so perfectly that there are NO surface imperfections left on > it....you probably won't even notice them until it is chromed. But once it > has been chromed, they stand out like a sore thumb! (b) Look at the decals > or new lettering; restoration of these, especially stamped lettering, is > usually pretty obvious. It would be pretty unlikely to see restored > lettering on an original near-perfect chrome shell! > BTW---one last observation....the Gilbert white plastic shells (like the > early 360 shells) do not handle the chroming process well. They take some > special procedures to prepare them and create a decent finish. I assume it > has to do with the composition of that white plastic. All other Gilbert > shells chrome just fine. We have done chrome cabeese, chrome baggage and > operating mailcars (which make a great addition to the Silver Bullet set!, > and other items which are quite striking when seen this way! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also > available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: www.portlines.com > E-mail: doug@p... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26881	From: romoyer@att.net	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Expert Opinions on an early GP-7

Yo Everyone: I joined the group about a month ago and am impressed with the expert opinions on AFL trains old and new. I'm an engineer working with broadband communications around the country. I always make time to stop in the local train shops. I like to buy the played with stuff, after all that's what they were made for. I recently picked up a early AFL GP-7 decent shape. It's the one that pulls the link coupler cars but doesn't have a link coupler just bars for a link car to hook to. Question #1, is this hookup reliable or problem prone? I'm an operator and like my trains to stay coupled. Question #2, If I do decide to convert to knuckles, I can get the different hand rail ends. Do I need to change the truck side frame assembly with repros that have the posts to mount the knuckle couplers? Grateful for any reponse, Bob Moyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26882	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: Expert Opinions on an early GP-7

Bob .....if its A really nice one I would leave it alone...I have A like new 370...Run it occasionally...but keep it on my shelf.......I am using A flylonel 370 with KC on my layout....the 370 with bar will come uncoupled easily...but you can hook a car to it and wrap a rubber band or wire tie around it to assure it won't uncouple....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <romoyer@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Expert Opinions on an early GP-7 > Yo Everyone: > > I joined the group about a month ago and am impressed with the expert > opinions on AFL trains old and new. I'm an engineer working with broadband > communications around the country. I always make time to stop in the local > train shops. I like to buy the played with stuff, after all that's what they > were made for. I recently picked up a early AFL GP-7 decent shape. It's the > one that pulls the link coupler cars but doesn't have a link coupler just > bars for a link car to hook to. Question #1, is this hookup reliable or > problem prone? I'm an operator and like my trains to stay coupled. Question > #2, If I do decide to convert to knuckles, I can get the different hand rail > ends. Do I need to change the truck side frame assembly with repros that have > the posts to mount the knuckle couplers? > > Grateful for any reponse, > Bob Moyer > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26883	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Early GP-7

I have never had any luck getting that wire link pilot to work. Perhaps others have had different results. You need to change a sideframe, plus the pilot casting, to make an end KC. Doug Peck has the necessary parts. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26884	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] didn't Lionel eventually buy American Flyer...?

This from the TCA list, below, as finally some talk about AF! But maybe a war is brewing! Anybody know the answer to the question below, which is how did Lionel pay for AF? And these O gaugers don't know anything about AF, like I don't know anything about Lionel, except for that J. Cowen started the business in 1902 or so, it has 3 rails and it is too big! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shughart, Larry" <lshughart@...> To: <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:00 PM Subject: [toytrains] didn't Lionel eventually buy American Flyer...? > how much did lionel pay for American Flyer? > > > > --- > Train Collectors Association [www.traincollectors.org] > e-Train [www.tcamembers.org] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26885	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 24, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26886	From: Kielek Family	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: Chroming, or re-chroming

Hi John.....I believe that re-chroming would increase a piece that had been brought up in condition( G<EX) but not up to what an original piece in EX condition would go for. Just my two cents ...Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Chroming, or re-chroming > I wonder what the group's opinion is on re-chroming. Does that > decrease or increase the value? Hmmmmmm. > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@p...> wrote: > > As was already mentioned, there is NO----absolutely NO---- spray-on > paint > > that will give you a CHROME finish! I don't care what the label on > the can > > says, or what the cap looks like....chrome finish cannot be > re=produced from > > a spray can. > > The re-chroming that we do for our customers involves the usual > > vacuum-plating process. Getting metal parts chromed (like a Silver > Bullet > > tender) is not difficult. There are many outfits around that do > metal. But > > very few of them can also do plastic shells. > > How do you recognize a rechromes shell???? > > I would look for two things in particular.....(a) a nice chrome > finish over > > top of minute nicks or scratches. It is almost impossible to > prepare the > > original shell so perfectly that there are NO surface imperfections > left on > > it....you probably won't even notice them until it is chromed. But > once it > > has been chromed, they stand out like a sore thumb! (b) Look at the > decals > > or new lettering; restoration of these, especially stamped > lettering, is > > usually pretty obvious. It would be pretty unlikely to see restored > > lettering on an original near-perfect chrome shell! > > BTW---one last observation....the Gilbert white plastic shells > (like the > > early 360 shells) do not handle the chroming process well. They > take some > > special procedures to prepare them and create a decent finish. I > assume it > > has to do with the composition of that white plastic. All other > Gilbert > > shells chrome just fine. We have done chrome cabeese, chrome > baggage and > > operating mailcars (which make a great addition to the Silver > Bullet set!, > > and other items which are quite striking when seen this way! > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines Hobby Supply > > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM > (EST), Also > > available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: > > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > > 978-465-8798 > > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > > Website: www.portlines.com > > E-mail: doug@p... > > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26887	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: Chroming, or re-chroming

Bottom line.....Rechroming is the same as repainting....A repaint is worth only about good +.....even if the original was mint...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> To: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Chroming, or re-chroming > Hi John.....I believe that re-chroming would increase a piece that had been > brought up in condition( G<EX) but not up to what an original piece in EX > condition would go for. Just my two cents ...Al Kielek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:53 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Chroming, or re-chroming > > > > I wonder what the group's opinion is on re-chroming. Does that > > decrease or increase the value? Hmmmmmm. > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@p...> wrote: > > > As was already mentioned, there is NO----absolutely NO---- spray-on > > paint > > > that will give you a CHROME finish! I don't care what the label on > > the can > > > says, or what the cap looks like....chrome finish cannot be > > re=produced from > > > a spray can. > > > The re-chroming that we do for our customers involves the usual > > > vacuum-plating process. Getting metal parts chromed (like a Silver > > Bullet > > > tender) is not difficult. There are many outfits around that do > > metal. But > > > very few of them can also do plastic shells. > > > How do you recognize a rechromes shell???? > > > I would look for two things in particular.....(a) a nice chrome > > finish over > > > top of minute nicks or scratches. It is almost impossible to > > prepare the > > > original shell so perfectly that there are NO surface imperfections > > left on > > > it....you probably won't even notice them until it is chromed. But > > once it > > > has been chromed, they stand out like a sore thumb! (b) Look at the > > decals > > > or new lettering; restoration of these, especially stamped > > lettering, is > > > usually pretty obvious. It would be pretty unlikely to see restored > > > lettering on an original near-perfect chrome shell! > > > BTW---one last observation....the Gilbert white plastic shells > > (like the > > > early 360 shells) do not handle the chroming process well. They > > take some > > > special procedures to prepare them and create a decent finish. I > > assume it > > > has to do with the composition of that white plastic. All other > > Gilbert > > > shells chrome just fine. We have done chrome cabeese, chrome > > baggage and > > > operating mailcars (which make a great addition to the Silver > > Bullet set!, > > > and other items which are quite striking when seen this way! > > > > > > Doug Peck > > > Port Lines Hobby Supply > > > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > > > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > > > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM > > (EST), Also > > > available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: > > > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > > > 978-465-8798 > > > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > > > Website: www.portlines.com > > > E-mail: doug@p... > > > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26888	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 8/22/2003
Subject: Re: just asking

supply and demand a lot of the trains are made in small amounts that way if it is good then they can comand those prices if you will look at some of the train auctions you can find fair prices but it takes a lot of time good luck and happy hunting marv d [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26889	From: Tim	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: 370 Diesel

Hi All, In response to the gentleman concerning the 370 diesel: I believe the 370 was really never designed to haul cars around a pike. I think it was designed to act as a push/pull yard switcher to stage cars for another loco to drag. With it's link bar, cars will uncouple swiftly at the designated remote uncoupler. Yet, IMHO, there is no reason why it couldn't be used as a mainline loco, given the following conditions: 1) Track must be laid to the most exacting standards. Think of laying Flyer track to the same standard as laying HO or N gauge track. 2) The track must be laid flat - no dips or humps and with perfectly aligned rail joints. 3) Link couplers must be in impeccable working condition. On my pike, I use a link 0-8-0 switcher in tandem with either an SIT Hudson or a link Challenger. I just simply put the link coupler over the bar of the switcher on front. There is no need to tie them together. They never separate. Here is a link for tips on making link couplers work flawlessly: http://home.att.net/~timboy/Linkfix.html Don't forget, when link couplers were produced and new from the factory, they were very smooth-working and reliable. They still can be after 50 some odd years. Hope this helps, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26890	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: Track Repair?

1-Un-nail a couple pieces on both sides. 2-Lift up the damaged section. Pins will kink a bit but that's OK. 3-Replace the bad piece. 4-Push all track down to re-straighten the pins some. 5-Re-nail all the pieces. The kinked pins actually improve contact. I only nail one end of each track. That's been rigid enough to hold track for quite a few years on my layout with a lot of use (and mis-use) and makes maintenance or rearrangement a lot easier. Use small nails that don't fill the holes in the ties. Set the nails with an old 1/4" bolt to avoid damaging the track when nailing. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe messinger" <jmessinger@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 12:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Track Repair? > > Would anyone know of a "slick" way of replacing a section of damaged Flyer > track on a layout after it has been nailed down? > > I dropped a heavy box on my Christmas layout last night and mashed a se >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26891	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: Expert Opinions on an early GP-7

--- romoyer@... wrote: > I recently picked up a early AFL GP-7 decent shape. > It's the one that pulls the link coupler cars but doesn't have a link > coupler just bars for a link car to hook to. Question #1, is this > hookup reliable or problem prone? It's definitely problem prone. I never found a way to make cars stay coupled to the bar. Here is a link to a post by Tom Jarcho in which he lists this "Flyer mistake" and several others: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/6675 > Question #2, If I do decide to convert to knuckles...Do I need to change the truck side frame assembly with repros that have the posts to mount the knuckle couplers? Here is a link to Portlines Hobbies' clinic web page for doing this conversion: http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic4.htm And here is Doug's clinic page with all kinds of other good stuff: http://www.portlines.com/afrepairclinics.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26892	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: Track Repair?

The Email that you and I got that seemed to come from Joe Messinger via the s-trains list was not what it seemed to be. It was a bugbear virus laden email from another s-trains list member. The virus took this old post by Joe which is stored on the infected PC, sent it out with the virus attached, and spoofed the return address to make it look like Joe sent it. Joe did not send the virus and is not infected. All these bugbear virus emails are coming from one person. Unfortunatly that person is claiming he is not infected, so I guess we are going to continue to receive them. --- "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> wrote: > 1-Un-nail a couple pieces on both sides. > 2-Lift up the damaged section. Pins will kink a bit but that's OK. > 3-Replace the bad piece. > 4-Push all track down to re-straighten the pins some. > 5-Re-nail all the pieces. The kinked pins actually improve contact. > > I only nail one end of each track. That's been rigid enough to hold > track > for quite a few years on my layout with a lot of use (and mis-use) > and makes > maintenance or rearrangement a lot easier. Use small nails that > don't fill > the holes in the ties. Set the nails with an old 1/4" bolt to avoid > damaging the track when nailing. > > Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines > "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open > it and > remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, > Lincoln, etc.) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe messinger" <jmessinger@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 12:17 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Track Repair? > > > > > > Would anyone know of a "slick" way of replacing a section of > damaged Flyer > > track on a layout after it has been nailed down? > > > > I dropped a heavy box on my Christmas layout last night and mashed > a se > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26893	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: converting to DC (was cranky 283)

Chuck, You may be sending out viruses. This was sent to me with a "mirror.doc.exe" file attached. I had not requested it and we have not been in other communications. I'm deleting it and sending this on to S-Trains to alert others of this possibility. If I am wrong, then accept my apologies. But if not, then we are all better off. There seems to be a lot of virus attacks recently so I'm erring on the side of caution. Hope your e-mail was just sent in error. Bill (nDb) Trefts On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:39:59 -0400 Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> writes: > Real DC motors use powerful permag material. I don't think the cheap > steel in the field will hold anywhere near that kind of field. I'd > have > to se ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26894	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: 370 w/Link bars

Greetings, I have a 370 with the link bar at one end and a hobbled up knuckle coupler on the other. It was suggested to use the link bar with another car and rubber-band the coupler to the bar. In watching mine going around a turn, the link coupler slides along the link bar of the engine. I think the rubber band might impede the travel of the coupled truck and possibly contribute to derailments. Of course, I could be wrong. My 2 cents worth. Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26895	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Dear Earthlink User - off topic

If you are an Earthlink (or associated company) user, and someone who keeps lots of old emails from the list, and may not have the latest virus protection. PLEASE get yourself updated. Options: 1) free online virus scan. (Great place to start) http://housecall.antivirus.com/housecall/start_corp.asp 2) free anti virus software http://www.thefreesite.com/Free_Software/Anti_virus_freeware/ or http://www.free-av.com/ Or sign up with Mcafee http://us.mcafee.com/default.asp or http://norton.com/ or http://www.f-secure.com/download-purchase/list.shtml You have the bugbear virus http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=100358#indications The S-Trains list can not transport attachments, but this virus works arround that by finding your email address in old emails and sending itself directly to you. To everybody else, stay protected, don't open attachments unless you KNOW what they contain. Stay Safe. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26896	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars

After second thoughts..the rubber band is A bad idea for the 370....works fine car to car.....But with the new flyonel 370's so cheap...I got 2 for 200.00 at the last show I was at....My near mint STAYS ON THE SHELF for display...Toms idea of the wire works best.....Allows sliding........Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <wmhtreftsv@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 370 w/Link bars > Greetings, > > I have a 370 with the link bar at one end and a hobbled up knuckle > coupler on the other. > > It was suggested to use the link bar with another car and rubber-band the > coupler to the bar. In watching mine going around a turn, the link > coupler slides along the link bar of the engine. I think the rubber band > might impede the travel of the coupled truck and possibly contribute to > derailments. > > Of course, I could be wrong. > > My 2 cents worth. > > Bill (nDb) Trefts > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26897	From: Tim	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars

I'd can the wire idea. That just encourages sloppy trackmanship and sloppy maintenance on the link couplers. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: robert allen conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; wmhtreftsv@... Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 370 w/Link bars After second thoughts..the rubber band is A bad idea for the 370....works fine car to car.....But with the new flyonel 370's so cheap...I got 2 for 200.00 at the last show I was at....My near mint STAYS ON THE SHELF for display...Toms idea of the wire works best.....Allows sliding........Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <wmhtreftsv@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 370 w/Link bars > Greetings, > > I have a 370 with the link bar at one end and a hobbled up knuckle > coupler on the other. > > It was suggested to use the link bar with another car and rubber-band the > coupler to the bar. In watching mine going around a turn, the link > coupler slides along the link bar of the engine. I think the rubber band > might impede the travel of the coupled truck and possibly contribute to > derailments. > > Of course, I could be wrong. > > My 2 cents worth. > > Bill (nDb) Trefts > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26898	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars

--- Tim <Timboy@...> wrote: > I'd can the wire idea. That just encourages sloppy trackmanship and > sloppy maintenance on the link couplers. Whether the wire idea works or not, the fact that link couplers don't stay coupled to the 370 link bar is not due to sloppy trackmanship or sloppy coupler maintenance. It's due to a bad design which just plain doesn't work! The link coupler keeps riding up the bar as it slides from side to side. Perhaps you can tweak or alter a particular link to stay on, but getting all your links to work with that bar is an excercise in futility. That's why there is so much interest in the 370 KC conversions. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26899	From: Tim	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars

Why not just get a 371 if you're so upset with the design of the 370's. ;) ;) Then you can have sloppily-laid track and links jerry-rigged with wires, etc. Or better still, send all your link cars to me so I can properly adjust them and run them on my skillfully laid track! :) :) Tim Brown Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Holm To: s-trains Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 370 w/Link bars --- Tim <Timboy@...> wrote: > I'd can the wire idea. That just encourages sloppy trackmanship and > sloppy maintenance on the link couplers. Whether the wire idea works or not, the fact that link couplers don't stay coupled to the 370 link bar is not due to sloppy trackmanship or sloppy coupler maintenance. It's due to a bad design which just plain doesn't work! The link coupler keeps riding up the bar as it slides from side to side. Perhaps you can tweak or alter a particular link to stay on, but getting all your links to work with that bar is an excercise in futility. That's why there is so much interest in the 370 KC conversions. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26900	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Couplers

No doubt your ideas are better than mine, but I have a couple of engines with links and a couple with knuckles. I also have a string of cars with links and a string with knuckles. I took a coupe of cars with links and converted one end to knuckles. That way I can mix things up a little better. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26901	From: hgetrain	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: converting to DC (was cranky 283)

I received the same e-mail and also deleted it. I could not understand why it was sent to me since I have had no discussions on this subject. Harry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, wmhtreftsv@j... wrote: > Chuck, > > You may be sending out viruses. This was sent to me with a > "mirror.doc.exe" file attached. I had not requested it and we have not > been in other communications. I'm deleting it and sending this on to > S-Trains to alert others of this possibility....... > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26902	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: ubexpensive AF fun (was just asking)

It is certainly possible to enjoy this hobby inexpensively, if all you want to do is run toy trains. If you want to collect them, you will have to spend money. The inexpensive way to enjoy the hobby is to buy damaged and repainted trains and repair and restore them yourself. Atlantics and Pacifics can be found at train shows, dealers, and on ebay. Parts for them are widely available, and they do run beautifully when reworked. S gauge lettering is available from CDS and other sources. In addition to battered AF cars, some Lionel and Marx freight cars can be converted to AF. Track that needs a good cleaning can be found cheap. Dirty switches without controllers are not that costly either. You can build inexpensive scenery and structures to provide a setting. As your skills develop, you will find more accessories and rolling stock that you can bring back to a satisfactory operating condition. Many of us on this list enjoy this type of activity and find it immensely satisfying. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26903	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/23/2003
Subject: Re: unexpensive AF fun (was just asking)

***((( It is certainly possible to enjoy this hobby inexpensively, if all you want to do is run toy trains. If you want to collect them, you will have to spend money.)))**** I certainly agree with Tom! And I'm sure the other "cheapskates" will agree!! (wink-wink-nudge-nudge Dewey) Not that I have done it a lot,...but it's fun taking an old piece of rolling stock and making it suitable for running down the track. I have done a few AF coaches, added lights, rewired, etc. That's how I have a circus coach,..it was a basket case, added new window material (found free at my school),..added new paper defuser (SP?),...cleaned the coach body, got most of the dirt and marks off of it,...took a little paint off the roof, hit it with Armorall (SP?) to spruce it up, then took a red felt marker and re-outlined the windows and such! Not a show piece, but it works and looks good! And it was fun doing it!! Deals are there to be found, eBay and at shows. Make your own loads for flatcars etc. No end to the fun!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26904	From: Thomas Doherty	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Re: RDC's

Guys, We are about finished the run. If you want one, let us know soon. The seating section should be ready by Christmas. Price: $350 DC $399.95 AC Choice of Kadee and / or Knuckle Hi rail or scale wheels. Thanks, Tom D. -----Original Message----- From: Karl Raab [mailto:Frilen@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RDC's Hi Ebay was having trouble tonight so I decided to go thru my list of favorite websites and visit some that I have overlooked...[It was that or sort my sock drawer:) ] I clicked on Penn Heritage models and found that their RDC's may be offered again this fall. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/rdc.htm I missed out on these the first time around...does anyone remember the price? Thanx...Karl S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26905	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Update - Mysterious Message from Chuck

Greetings, I sent a posting to the list and replied to Chuck, (using the reply button). The reply bounced back as undeliverable. So be careful what you open. Chuck, check your computer. You may be infected. Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26906	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: 2004 NASG car possibility

For the NASG 2004 car........ How about an S-gauge version of the HO depressed center flat with transformer load? http://myflyertrains.tripod.com/AF_Catalogs/D1517/AF_catalog_page10.htm Nick Colleran >______________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:15:33 -0400 > From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> >Subject: NASG cars > >TWO THINGS: >(1) THE 2003 AF CAR: (edit) >(2) THE 2004 AF CAR: We are already beginning to consider possibilities for >the 2004 car. Although tank cars sell very well, we have done about three in >a row now, and I would like to do something different for 2004. My initial >thought is this----now that we know that Lnl has the original tooling for >the depressed-center flatcar, perhaps we could use that car in 2004....at >least it would be something different! If anyone has knowledge and pictures >of a REAL (i.e, prototypical) depressed-center flatcar that we could >consider, please let me know, or aim me to a website image. We would >probably have to stick to a reel for the load, at least this time, since we >know the reel is available. I don't want to use some other load that Lnl may >have used on their O cars, unless it is S-scale compatible. Obtaining a load >from another manufacturer, and having Lnl attach it to their car is a >possibility, but creates roadblocks and potential delays. >Bottom-line: I'm looking for suggestions of a prototypical d-c flatcar, and >a prototypical and attractive/colorful reel face. > >Ideas?????

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26907	From: Kielek Family	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: CPR Mult-pressure 2-10-4 8000

Greetings All....Just thought any of you that have a keen interest in steam locomotive design might find this new offering from the British Railway Modellers of North Ameica, of interest. This 54 page soft cover book, deals with the design, construction and testing of this multi-pressure steam locomotive(the worlds largest 1931). Their are numerous excellent photos, testing data and comparisons with other multi-pressure locos(even NYC 800), I highly recommend it! Orders can be made from their e-mail address brmna@... Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26908	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: AM's New 30 and 75 Degree Crossings

The back cover of the June '03 Dispatch is a full-page add for American Models new 30 degree crossings. The ad also promises new 75 degree crossings. It seems to be a great new development for S. I haven't seen any discussion of these in any of the industry press, S or otherwise, though. Have I missed something? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26909	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 24, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26910	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Franklin headlight

any one have a headlight for an 88 Franklin loco? if so, please contact me with cost, i have 30 minutes until the auction ends -Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26911	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Mail Check

Good Evening, This is a new computer and I am suffering through a transfer of my address book. Now, back to trains. Later, Bill Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26912	From: Howard	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Re: AM's New 30 and 75 Degree Crossings

Hi Paul Both crossings have been out for a short while and have gone over well. I also have been getting good action on their uncoupler that goes with the code 148 track. I haven't tried it out on flyer track yet but will shortly. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains 1201 Hemingway Dr. Roseville, CA 95747 916-773-4415 916-769-8362 cell/day -----Original Message----- From: Paul4Schil@... [mailto:Paul4Schil@...] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 2:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AM's New 30 and 75 Degree Crossings The back cover of the June '03 Dispatch is a full-page add for American Models new 30 degree crossings. The ad also promises new 75 degree crossings. It seems to be a great new development for S. I haven't seen any discussion of these in any of the industry press, S or otherwise, though. Have I missed something? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26913	From: Spots350SL@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Franklin Loco, again

well, i lost that auction, so does anyone out there have a Franklin 88 engine for sale, in pretty good condition? if so, please email me with your asking price including shipping. thanks -Michael Tomsa chicago, IL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26914	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: layout plans

OK guys finally convinced the wife to let me build her an "S" layout instead of HO. We have plenty of rolling stock and motive power and she can ad her own touches to later on. Now I need a good source of track plans for no more then an 4X8 layout. She doesn't want just two circles, but would rather have an interesting town&country scene, with a siding or two. Board doesn't have to be square either. One more favor, where do I find info on the Cincinnati layout. Hours, location etc. Thanks in advance. Ed in Fla [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26915	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: 2004 NASG car

Lionel made a transformer load for their depressed center flat.don't know if it would be a"wide load"on the 936 type car.I think it has "lionel"cast in it,a"made by Gilbert"sticker should cure that problem. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26916	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: layout plans

Ed: The simplest way to avoid an oval on a small Flyer layout is to use a variation of the folded over figure 8 such as is pictured on the can the AF trestle set came in. You can either use AF trestles or Woodlands Senics risers (or home made risers) to raise the track over itself. Paul Yorke built a very nice small display layout that uses this idea and I believe he has photos posted, including construction photos. Since you are in Fla, maybe you can visit him and see the actual layout. Another easy way to add viewing interest is to make it so the train appears and disappears, either under mountains or behind structures and other view blocks. Also, you would be a lot better off with a 5' x 10' or slightly larger layout if you can spare the space. 4' x 8' is really small for Flyer. And don't forget, if you use Flyer switches, take full advantage of their train stopping capability. Good luck with it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26917	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Re: layout plans

**((Also, you would be a lot better off with a 5' x 10' or slightly larger layout if you can spare the space. 4' x 8' is really small for Flyer.))*** Again,..I agree with Tom. I had a 4'x8-1/2' in my garage. Outer loop connected to an inner loop with two switches. I had a freight consist waiting on the inner loop while a passenger consist circled on the outer loop. (and vice-versa!) The two switches were manual, but were on the straight section in front of where I sat, so it was easy to switch and back out one train and pull in the other. (I ran them two different directions) I admit,...it was better than no layout at all,...but was limited. I like the figure eight idea, with or without the trestles. A 5x9 would give one a little more room to work. (If space allows!) However,....no matter HOW small, it sure is fun to run trains!! My layout is SMALLER then 4x8 !! One small loop of track!! But, I change the buildings with the seasons and love to sit and watch whatever consist I have put together,...making the loop and puttin' out the smoke!! One day,..a bigger layout! No matter how small a layout,....it shouldn't stop one from running the 'ol Flyer and enjoying it! To Ed....here is a link to my LITTLE layout! http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=album31 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26918	From: Gale Hall	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: trades

Evening all, Well being as how the shortline is nearly dieselized the fellows down at the engine house came up with some parts they can't use. 1 300 diecast boiler shell, multipart, boiler only, no hand rails, no bell or pop valve, need paint 4 Atlantic plastic boiler shells 1 300 1 302 and 2 307's no pilot steps, and of course the mounting screw posts need rebuilding, they have play wear, not mint by any means, what is there is good and what ain't there -- aint there...no bells no pop valves 4 Atlantic frames, all from the smoke in boiler era, just frames, no bearings and no gears 1 Stamped tender frame 1 smoke unit casting, no piston no plunger no cover plate screws 3 stock car shells 1 929, no doors no door tracks, shell pretty good, roofwalk ok, spray paint sprayed in its direction at one time or another 1 629 fair one good roofwalk end, no doors no door rails 1 629 RAAC (ROUGH AS A COB) no doors no door tracks side and roof break damage. no floors no trucks all three 2 boxcar shells 1 early 600 shell closed doors, been repainted red, one end of roof walk shipped.....1 ATSF 803 shell, no heralds roof walk chipped....looks like liquid cement sprayed all over this car...the car is reusable...no floors no trucks. 1 The real gem of this whole deal...a Casey Jones smoke box front, AF on the center of the front. 1 lot of misc stuff, sideframes, wheels, nothing to write home about, just stuff. sale outright $12.00 plus postage or trade for a junker AF Alco shell A or B or a GP-7 shell....or four junk hopper shells, in this case I will pay postage on the above items and you pay postage on yours. Aside from the above deal this is totaly separate...I have a very nice painted gray 632 shell, all the steps are there and the lettering is very good...no trucks, this is a very late 600, as the shell is the same as found on the 900 hoppers...every time this is listed the word rare appears with it...anybody want to trade 2 hopper shells for it? Other wise it is going to the car shop and become a black LNE hopper. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26919	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/24/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars

Scott Holm wrote: >the fact that link couplers don't stay coupled to the 370 link bar >is not due to sloppy trackmanship or sloppy coupler maintenance. >It's due to a bad design which just plain doesn't work! Well, it's certainly not the BEST design, but it CAN work well with a minor modification. >The link coupler keeps riding up the bar as it slides from side to >side. Scott has put his finger squarely on the problem right there. The remedy is to make a slight change in the shape of the plastic link. The vertical edge of the link that bears against the link pin of the connected car should not be vertical, as Gibert made it. It should be a couple of degrees off vertical, slanted downward toward the truck it's mounted to. Such a slight change will cause the tension between the coupler and pin to pull the link down instead of up. It works. (Care should be taken to avoid slanting the edge too much, or it will be too hard to uncouple the links.) We have dozens of link equipped cars, and I've not had any uncoupling problems on any with this modification. Naturally, all that assumes that the links move freely, the pins are straight and at the correct height above the rail, and that uncoupled links lay with the correct amount of "droop." (They should not stick up or be perfectly level.) Goofy as they look when not coupled, I like links more the more I use them. Wadderyagonnado? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26920	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1985

The layout is in the Cincinnati History Museum at the Cincinnati Museum Center (the former Union Terminal). Use this link to access their web site. http://www.cincymuseum.org/ > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:26:45 EDT > From: marpack57@... > Subject: layout plans > > . > One more favor, where do I find info on the Cincinnati layout. Hours, > location etc. Thanks in advance. Ed in Fla >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26921	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars

The fix described below really does work. I converted my heavyweights from links to knuckles many years ago. They coupled so far apart I later changed back to links to improve the appearance. Then I couldn't make more than a couple laps without uncoupling. The hook shape on the link is easy to create with an Exacto or utility knife. Also check that the pivot end of the coupler is a tad higher than the coupling end, but not too much or the coupler might slip under the mating pin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 370 w/Link bars > Scott Holm wrote: > > >the fact that link couplers don't stay coupled to the 370 link bar > >is not due to sloppy trackmanship or sloppy coupler maintenance. > >It's due to a bad design which just plain doesn't work! > > Well, it's certainly not the BEST design, but it CAN work well with a > minor modification. > > > >The link coupler keeps riding up the bar as it slides from side to > >side. > > Scott has put his finger squarely on the problem right there. > > The remedy is to make a slight change in the shape of the plastic > link. The vertical edge of the link that bears against the link pin > of the connected car should not be vertical, as Gibert made it. It > should be a couple of degrees off vertical, slanted downward toward > the truck it's mounted to. Such a slight change will cause the > tension between the coupler and pin to pull the link down instead of > up. It works. (Care should be taken to avoid slanting the edge too > much, or it will be too hard to uncouple the links.) > > We have dozens of link equipped cars, and I've not had any uncoupling > problems on any with this modification. > > Naturally, all that assumes that the links move freely, the pins are > straight and at the correct height above the rail, and that uncoupled > links lay with the correct amount of "droop." (They should not stick > up or be perfectly level.) > > Goofy as they look when not coupled, I like links more the more I use > them. Wadderyagonnado? > Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26922	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: Re: AM's New 30 and 75 Degree Crossings

Howard, thanks for your note about captioned. So I take it you've good experience with them on your layout. I'm particularly interested in engines to which caveat about shorting out might apply. Not that it would make any difference: they are for me a prayer answered. Next I''m hoping for slip switches! Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26923	From: John A Foley	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: NASG Promotions

Hi Folks Just a quick note to let you know what's happening with the NASG Promotions Committee. we are or will be running ads in Model Railroad News, S/Sn3, CTT, RMC and NMRA's new Scale Rails Magazine. At the WI. conventions business meeting I said I would be contacting folks around the country to represent S and the NASG at various Conventions and train shows. The folks below have been kind enough to do some. Member Jerry Dobbs has represented us at the TCA Rocky Mountain Convention and the TTOS National Convention this passed weekend. Member Nelson Steinmetz will be representing us at the NMRA's Pacific Southwest convention http://www.getnet.net/~dickg/nmra/psr/2003conv.html Members Gale Irwin & Lee Johnson will be our representers at the Sn3 Symposium And Member Hiram Graves will pass out our literature at the NMRA's Sunrise Trail Division Long Island NY http://www.sunrisetraildiv.com/Convention.htm For myself I have some shows and more items planned. John Foley Promotions Chairman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26924	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars

Actually what I was referring to was the link coupler to 370 bar connection (or lack therof,) not the link coupler to link coupler connection. In fact, I think that link couplers respond better to proper tuning than do knuckle couplers. There are some knuckle couplers that just won't stay closed, but that's a whole 'nother story. The link couplers also couple the cars closer together which looks better on passenger trains. --- jayhoo64 <jayhoo64@...> wrote: > Scott Holm wrote: > > >the fact that link couplers don't stay coupled to the 370 link bar > >is not due to sloppy trackmanship or sloppy coupler maintenance. > >It's due to a bad design which just plain doesn't work! > > Well, it's certainly not the BEST design, but it CAN work well with a > > minor modification. > > > >The link coupler keeps riding up the bar as it slides from side to > >side. > > Scott has put his finger squarely on the problem right there. > > The remedy is to make a slight change in the shape of the plastic > link. The vertical edge of the link that bears against the link pin > of the connected car should not be vertical, as Gibert made it. It > should be a couple of degrees off vertical, slanted downward toward > the truck it's mounted to. Such a slight change will cause the > tension between the coupler and pin to pull the link down instead of > up. It works. (Care should be taken to avoid slanting the edge too > much, or it will be too hard to uncouple the links.) > > We have dozens of link equipped cars, and I've not had any uncoupling > > problems on any with this modification. > > Naturally, all that assumes that the links move freely, the pins are > straight and at the correct height above the rail, and that uncoupled > > links lay with the correct amount of "droop." (They should not stick > up or be perfectly level.) > > Goofy as they look when not coupled, I like links more the more I use > > them. Wadderyagonnado? > > > Chuck F. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26925	From: waldootten	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: AM's 30 and 75 degree crossings

Just clicked on the American Models website and saw no mention of these two products. Are they available, and if so, how much and where? I'm laying track on a new layout over the next month or so and they'd solve a couple of problem areas I've got where just those two products would be perfect. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26926	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/25/2003
Subject: layout plans II

This post is a continuation of my post of yesterday entitled "layout plans", in which I discussed the folded over figure eight as a way to get a lot of action in a small space while avoiding the oval. I do not mean to denigrate the oval. Toy trains in and of themselves are wonderful and hypnotic and an oval track is a great way to enjoy them. The challenge of getting beyond the oval to something else has always fascinated me, though. i just want to add two more concepts to my previous post. First is the adding of a second loop separate from the folded 8 loop. If you have two loops that cross, ordinarily, they must cross over each other at two places -- think about it. However, if you add a second loop (even an oval!) to the folded over figure eight, one of the cross overs can occur at the point where the folded over figure eight passes over itself (by trestle), leaving only one level crossing to deal with. This can be very advantageous. Far fewer collisions will occur with only one crossover instead of two, and it is relatively easy to design some kind of automatic system to prevent collisions by denying track power to one route or the other, perhaps using an AF semaphore or reverse loop relay. With the advent of a variety of crossovers from AM and others, this is made even easier. Of course, the more space you have, the better your chances of pulling something like this off. The second idea is, space permitting, to add an extra loop to the folded over figure eight, so it becomes a folded-over-figure-eight-and-a-half! It can also pass under the same trestle, or have a separate level or raised crossing. I have had a lot of fun with this configuration. Both ideas can be used on the same layout! I have built at least four entirely different setups using these ideas, and they were extremely satisfying and interesting to operate. They offered a lot of operating choices. These were floor layouts with a big xmas tree at the center of whatever multiple loops were used, which also served to block the back parts of the loops, so the trains would appear and disappear at different heights around the tree, and the cluttered effect of a lot of trackage would be hidden. I also used furniture to block unsightly but necessary dense trackage. All of us forget sometimes that there are many many different ways to enjoy our hobby. I have always enjoyed the challenge of track planning. As a schoolboy, I used to doodle track plans in all my notebooks during class, trying to come up with better ideas. These two posts are directed at those who share my interest, and also those considering beginning a new layout. They are the most useful and fun track planning ideas I have come across during my time of playing with trains. I realize that this material is not of interest to everyone, or to everyone's taste, but I hope that some of you will enjoy it or find it helpful. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26927	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: CJSS Fall Get Together

Dear e-mail friends, You are all invited to the Central Jersey S scalers' 22nd annual Fall Get-Together this September 26, 27 & 28. More info can be found at: http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html If you are planning on coming, please let us know so we have enough refreshments. Best regards, Don Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26928	From: jaytewilli	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: What's So Special??

Does anyone know why this #929 is going for such a high price? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3142858723&category=480&rd=1 Am I missing something in the pictures?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26929	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] What's So Special??

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 26930	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] What's So Special??

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 26931	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: What's So Special??

In a message dated 8/26/2003 5:02:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jaytewilli@... writes: > Does anyone know why this #929 is going for such a high price? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3142858723&category=480&rd=1 > > Am I missing something in the pictures? > > Jay, That is an open slat 929. The box is incorrect for the piece, however. It should have a red and white box (1956) with a five digit number. This variation is listed in the (ha-hum :) ) the TM AF Guide. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26932	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: What's So Special??

458.95??????? SOMEONE IS PLAYING WITH NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shill Bidding??? It looks like a 20.00 car....30 tops.....I will sell mine to the next bidder for 100.00........Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "jaytewilli" <jaytewilli@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What's So Special?? > Does anyone know why this #929 is going for such a high price? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3142858723&category=480&rd=1 > > Am I missing something in the pictures? > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26933	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: what's so special?

I once wrote a letter to CTT that pointed out that the collection of variations, interesting as it is, is not central to the hobby. Of course they didn't print that part of the letter. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26934	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: What's So Special??

If this car is a 929 OPEN SLAT stock car, not a CLOSED SLAT then it is worth the money, as it has a rarity of 5 in TM, as the Greenberg guide might of missed this one, and it is valued, as a guided, at 375 in E, depending on where the market will take this, as I do not know the condition of this car. Plus the TM guide prices are from 2000, and most things in hobby's do go up every year, so take that in account for any price adjustments to the guide. Another rarity that many do not know about is the UNPAINTED Santa Fe hopper, as another example. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "jaytewilli" <jaytewilli@...> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What's So Special?? > 458.95??????? SOMEONE IS PLAYING WITH NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shill Bidding??? > It looks like a 20.00 car....30 tops.....I will sell mine to the next bidder > for 100.00........Bob Conner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jaytewilli" <jaytewilli@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:59 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] What's So Special?? > > > > Does anyone know why this #929 is going for such a high price? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&item=3142858723&category=480&rd=1 > > > > Am I missing something in the pictures? > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26935	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: what's so special?

Tom...What's so special is if you look close....Its the open slat version....The description doesn't say anything special....I know something about variations too...Have A 641 gondola with OB.....Asking 500.00 but not sure I would sell it even at that price...Last one I sold in the early 90's brought 400.00 even with A chip......BTW..its gray...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] what's so special? > I once wrote a letter to CTT that pointed out that the collection of > variations, interesting as it is, is not central to the hobby. > > Of course they didn't print that part of the letter. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26936	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: 929 Stock car

Mike you are right, this was the last run of the 929 using the new stockcar body, like the Pig Palace uses. But it should have the new door guides with the bend over tabs and come with a red & white box with both 929 and '57 5-digit stamped on the end of the box. Bought one about 15 years ago from someone who didnt know the difference. It is brand new. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26937	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: What's So Special??

Mike...I went back and looked...caught it....If it had been better listed it might have gone higher...I would have been in the bid list....I have the unpainted SF hopper..Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26938	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: 641 Gray Gon

There are some 631 gray gondolas out there also. John Pyfer (the lawyer for the TCA) has a yellow painted 631 gondola. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26939	From: mlmarmer	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: 929 Stock car

Hi Harwood, I saw your previous emails, and they came in blank, as I knew you were going to write that in the first place, what I wrote. But, thanks again for more knowledge on AF, about the door guides on it. You are a wealth of information on AF. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOwingsiii@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 929 Stock car > Mike you are right, this was the last run of the 929 using the new stockcar > body, like the Pig Palace uses. But it should have the new door guides with > the bend over tabs and come with a red & white box with both 929 and '57 > 5-digit stamped on the end of the box. Bought one about 15 years ago from someone > who didnt know the difference. It is brand new. > > Harwood > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26940	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: 641 Gray Gon

I have a 631 to....but missing steps....Once at York there was A fellow selling all kinds of different paint jobs which he claimed was from Flyer...came from the Carnes collection..supposedly....I almost bought A set of C & O gons...white lettering, yellow, and several other trim colors...he had about 6 diff...said they were AF test paints...But I got kinda scared of them...They ( the Eastern div ) were also announcing over the loud speaker that there was a lot of Flyer for sale that was Bogus....Beware...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOwingsiii@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 641 Gray Gon > There are some 631 gray gondolas out there also. John Pyfer (the lawyer for > the TCA) has a yellow painted 631 gondola. > > Harwood > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26941	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: What's So Special??

I had NO idea what that 929 was worth!! And I bid a whopping $25!!! Hmmmm....wonder why I didn't win?? ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26942	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Duplicate posts...

Has anyone been getting dulicate posts on different days?? Same post, new day? Or is it just me?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26943	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re: 641 Gray Gon

***(((There are some 631 gray gondolas out there also. John Pyfer (the lawyer for the TCA) has a yellow painted 631 gondola.)))**** And WHO painted that yellow one??? :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26944	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: (no subject)

I need help connecting and operating my Digitrax DT300. I have no clue to what it is doing. The display works. And it is communicating. What do the buttons and knobs do? I have 3 S-helper DCC equipped engines which are gathering dust. Robert Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26945	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: Re:

Dear Robert, You can go to: http://www.digitrax.com/ftp/dt300.pdf and open the manual using Acrobat reader. Do you have a booster? Don Robert E. Yablonski wrote: >I need help connecting and operating my Digitrax DT300. > >I have no clue to what it is doing. The display works. And it is >communicating. What do the buttons and knobs do? > >I have 3 S-helper DCC equipped engines which are gathering dust. > >Robert Yablonski > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26946	From: Edward G.	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: A Totally different subject....

As some of you may be aware if you have been watching CNN...BC Canada is burning up ..we have had a particularly warm and long dry hot summer ...so far in the last 30 days we have lost 2 towns and part of the city of Kelowna BC in which 30,000...people fled on 1hrs evacuation notice ..We lost 248 house in one hour in one night 3 days ago ...As a Firefighter here i have watched our military 1500 guys and hundreds of felloe FFs battle this week ..we still have had no rain ..and the forcast here is for continuing Hot weather for the next week ...I just figured a few of you would like to follow this link and see what has been happening and what we have been up too .. Edward G. >>FYRRFYTR P.S. 1 of these fires has started 20 miles N from me due to an accident when a semi left the road and ignighted the forest ...But for the Grace of God ..and without rain I could be in trouble if the wind changes ....My 30 yr collection could wind up as dust...But if that happens I'll be the dust laying next to it defending my home here. B.C. fires The pictures at this site are amazing. Just click on the file, then click on the first picture. You can click your way through each file, or go back to the postage stamps and just click on individual pics. It is absolutely devestating to see this. http://www.silk.fm/silk/firefiles/FirePictures/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26947	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/26/2003
Subject: KC Star article/Roy Inman

Please check out the article the Kansas City Star ran on me and digital photography. My faithful Fox Terrier, Flyer, by my side :) Cheers, Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26948	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] barns

All, Obviously you need to come to beautiful Lancaster Co, PA. home of the TCA's Naational Toy Train Museum. We have barns of every shape, size, layout, description, function etc. Milking done by hand, machine, "parlor" and state of the art "parlors". Built from the 1700's til yesterday, ideas abound. Many still cleaned by real horsepower, pulling the scraper system cables. TCA members should be here for York Thursday, Oct 16th to meet and hear Don Thompson speak and to view the "Manufacturer's Showcase", this season featuring S-HELPER SERVICE and AMERICAN MODELS at NTTM. Come on out to Lancaster Co, there's always an Amish buggy on the road. We'd love to see you. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26949	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: F-9 repair horror story - own fault?

At NASG I picked up a UP F-9 for $35 - the only problem with it was that the little plastic gear on the drive wheels that mates with the worm gear on the armature was stripped. I ordered a replacement brass gear from one of my favorite part's dealers (thanks, Joe). The major difference from the original gear is that it is wider, with a narrow flange. After much trial and error, I figured out how to remove the original gear and to put the new one on. I had to leave the little washer off, since it no longer fit.I reassembled the drive assembly and it jammed! After yet more trial and error (mostly error) I got it to run and fairly fast. However, after a while the assembly jammed again and it ended up restripping the gear. What is really frustrating is that part of the problem is clearly design related, since only the very outside part of the gear touches the worm gear. There is plenty of usable gear still left closer to the axis.The rest of it is probably my own lack of care and experience with this repair. So: has anyone else done this repair and have a foolproof approach? Also, is a gear like this available at a hardware store, or do I need to reorder one from Joe or Doug? - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26950	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1987

For Trade: I have an S gauge, all metal, partially built 1000 HP EMC switcher kit with box and instructions, WITH OUT power trucks, ( it recommends using Miller power trucks, no longer available ) made some time in the "50" By super scale models. I would trade for a SHS, D & R. G. black stock car. Please contact me off line grdobbs@... Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26951	From: nasglibrary	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Carnes collection

Robert Conner wrote: "I have a 631 to....but missing steps....Once at York there was A fellow selling all kinds of different paint jobs which he claimed was from Flyer...came from the Carnes collection.." I have been confused -- not often, but often enough to cause trouble -- with this person "Carnes." Could someone please tell me about him and his reputation? Thanks. Dick Karnes (Richard N. Karnes) (Never been an AF collector, and not from Ohio.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26952	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: Carnes collection

Dick....Go to the "American Flyer Features" by Heimburger....Page 23...to see his stuff....When I was at York that year...about 1984 - 85 there was A dealer in the Yellow Hall that claimed he had lots of his stuff for sale..At least that is what he told me personally...Pass cars in diff schemes...diff numbers...diff this and diff that....Supposedly he had an in with someone at the factory and was able to get all kinds of Factory Protos...Read the Article...I have heard that many items later were found to be questionable ...But I have no real idea....I do remember that loudspeaker warning everybody several times that day all over the Fairgrounds that there was Flyer for sale and to be Careful...All might have been 100% genuine..I do know I have seen fake stuff by others...I once had A Lionel 675 engine that was stamped 695...The standards committee, Lou Redmond was one who looked at it and felt it was real....However when I spoke with Lenny dean about it he told me " Its A fake. At Lionel we never make mistakes"....The friends who overheard this, all gone now, thought that was the funniest thing they ever heard...As for Carnes...I never met the man and I have no idea what happened...I think he passed away some time ago...But not sure...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "nasglibrary" <nasglibrary@...> To: "S-Trains e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Carnes collection > Robert Conner wrote: > > "I have a 631 to....but missing steps....Once at York there was A fellow > > selling all kinds of different paint jobs which he claimed was from > Flyer...came from the Carnes collection.." > > I have been confused -- not often, but often enough to cause trouble -- > with this person "Carnes." Could someone please tell me about him and > his reputation? > > Thanks. > > Dick Karnes (Richard N. Karnes) > (Never been an AF collector, and not from Ohio.) > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26953	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1986

Link Couplers: Some one on the list suggested using a paper clip to hold the cars together, I got a box of # 1 paper clips cut off the larger loop, using the smaller loop, with one car setting on the track put it on one coupler bar, slide the next car side ways putting it's bar thru the loop, set the car on the track. The train will run for hours on our club module with absolutely no disconnect. A good tip. Thanks Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26954	From: William Lange	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Layout plans

Ed, Take a look at Thor's site for a lot of 4x8 plans. http://www.thortrains.net/index.htm I have been working on a 4x8 to give me a lot of play action but of simple construction so I can reconfigure and experiment easily. I've uploaded some pix and will be updating as this is truly a work in process. Keith, Tom, Doug, Don and everyone else who has answered my many questions on and off list, Thanks!!!! I'm finally putting your advice to use. Soon I'll be bothering Tim for his track and coupler tuning techniques! http://s-scale.org/albums/albun32 Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26955	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Layout software.

Has anyone tried using the cad software for model train layouts? How many suppliers of this is there? Is it easy to use? Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26956	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: 54mm question....

I don't know my mm's!!! How does 54mm compare to 3/16ths--1/64th ????? Thanks! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26957	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Metric conversion

54mm is 2.125 inches 1 inch is 25.4 mm 1 mm is .03937 inch 3/16 inch is 4.76 mm 1 mile is 1609 mm and some change. Think of it as 1.61 kilometers. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26958	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: 54mm question....

Rick, The Blue MMs are harder to find than the Green and Red MMs. That's all I know about MMs! ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26959	From: Karl Raab	Date: 8/27/2003
Subject: Re: 54mm

Hi again Rick... Just another thought on your 54 mm question....if you are refering to figures..there is a popular hobby of usually military figures that are referred to as "54mm" most are of British mfg....these are generally 54mm tall and scale out to approx 6 feet in 1/32 scale..or twice as tall as "S" scale... Check it out...Go to Ebay ...go to Toys & Hobbies and do a search for "54mm" You will find a bunch of these figures out there. ....Oh by the way I prefer the Green ones... :) Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26960	From: jayhoo64	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars

Scott Holm Wrote: >Actually what I was referring to was the link coupler to 370 bar >connection (or lack therof,) not the link coupler to link coupler >connection. Understood, Scott. The mod I mentioned improves the 370's link bar reliability just as it does link-to-link operation. It's all part of the same miscalculation in Gilbert's design. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26961	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: FW: 28 mm (was Cows & other animals)

I just sent this to the S-Scale list as the same conversation (not the same people) is happening there. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Marty.Thorin Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:40 AM To: 'S-Scale@yahoogroups.com'; 't.hawley' Subject: 28 mm (was Cows & other animals) Good morning: At the last Gen Con, which was held in Milwaukee, I went hunting for figures for my model railroad. I was armed with one of Bill Daymo's six inch S-Gauge rulers. (Three inches of one lives in my wallet.) 25 mm men scaled out to about 4 1/2 feet tall. Great older kids. 28 mm men scaled out to between 5 1/2 and 6 feet tall. Perfect. 33 mm men were in the 7 foot range. I ended up purchasing a lot of people made by "Revisesco". Each package contained between five and eight unpainted people for about $5.00 per pack. These included - scoundrels with mutton chops, top hats and capes, - 20's era flappers and dandies, - restless dead (clothed skeletons: my layout has some weird occupants), - Safari set with two men, a woman on horseback (includes horse), and a Calamity Jane type, - Gillmen (think "Creature from the Black Lagoon"), - Irish civilians (who look generic enough to be my wife's Norwegian Minnesota relatives in 2003). These are very, very useful. - Mexican bandits with sombreros. I also purchased from "Thunderbolt Mountain" - Sea Changes (mermaid mom, merson and merdaughter), - King Poseidon on his chariot pulled by three dolphins and two mermaids. There were many, many warriors (think "Lord of the Rings") in both sexes but nearly all the women needed major reduction surgery to get down to Dolly Parton. I look for realistic so I passed. I also passed on many other figures. My layout is set in 2003 in North America. I have limited uses for Roman solders in skirts, Shoman warriors, Headhunters, Swahili warriors with shields, Aztec priests in full garb, or peasant girls in medieval garb. (Although these others were fun to look at.) What I learned is: 28 mm is another name for S Scale. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:33:45 -0400 From: "t.hawley" <t.hawley@...> Subject: Cows & other animals ----- Original Message ----- . . . . . . . . . I would still like to see more S gauge animals for scenery produced. . . . . . . . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was in hobby shop a few days ago and they know I do S, so one of them showed me what he thought might be a good S scale cow, and a few other animals. They were in a line of figures from a company called Hovel I think, called 25 mm rather than 1/64. I'm not sure how close they are to S, and I don't know a beef cow from a milk cow, but you might have a look the next time you're in your local hobby shop. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26962	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Backdrop

Forwarded from Sn3 list ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:11:04 -0000 From: "railwayeng" <railwayeng@ Subject: Backdrop painting I've never painted a backdrop in over 55 years of building model railroads.. I didn't have the nerve since I'm so bad at art in general. Musician for 50 years but I just can't paint...so I was very surprised and pleased with a "how to" tape that I got from Darryl Huffman. His tape convinced me to try it and I really like the results. My first try took less than 2 hours. AND I'm pleased with the results. Here are a couple pics of how it turned out. 6 feet in 2 hours.....by golly I may do the whole room now. (80 feet) take a look: http://www.railwayeng.com/hatch/pics/backdrp4.jpg http://www.railwayeng.com/hatch/pics/backdrp5.jpg http://www.railwayeng.com/hatch/pics/bg9.jpg http://www.railwayeng.com/hatch/pics/bg10.jpg The results of this painting method are VERY satisfying. -Steve Hatch ================ The video costs $15 plus $4 for Priority Mail shipment to US or Canada. Send your address and I will get one in the mail right away. Darryl Huffman 12020 Old Seward Highway Anchorage, AK 99515 Check out my web page at www.darrylhuffman.50megs.com/photo5.html for photos of models of old buildings placed in a realistic setting. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26963	From: robert allen conner	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: FW: 28 mm (was Cows & other animals)

Marty....neat...but remember Everybody carries A 6" or 3" ruler on them almost all the time.....Bob Conner > figures for my model railroad. I was armed with one of Bill Daymo's six > . . . . . . . . . I would still like to see more S gauge animals for > scenery produced. . . . . . . . . . > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I was in hobby shop a few days ago and they know I do S, so one of them > showed me what he thought might be a good S scale cow, and a few other > animals. They were in a line of figures from a company called Hovel I > think, called 25 mm rather than 1/64. I'm not sure how close they are to S,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26964	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: 370 w/Link bars

I have a 370 that the link bars looks like this I___ ___I (not an artist) \__/ It works much better than the straight bars. They appear factory done too. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26965	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: FW: 28 mm (was Cows & other animals)

Dear Jim: Reviresco is found at www.tin-soldier.com <http://www.tin-soldier.com> . Look under 'War Gaming figures'. According to their web site, their items are compatible with both 25 mm (1/72) and 28 mm. Thunderbolt mountain is found at http://www.thunderboltmountain.com/ <http://www.thunderboltmountain.com/> . Alas, they do not do mail order. Instead they drift from show to show. (So how was I so lucky?) Thorin -----Original Message----- From: WJJIM@... [mailto:WJJIM@...] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:06 PM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FW: 28 mm (was Cows & other animals) Thorin, Thanks for the tip on revisesco, do you have a website, email or phone number for them??? Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26966	From: John Harvey	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: 54mm

As well as my AF trains I also collect model soldiers; most of whom are 54mm or 1/32 scale. This scale was chosen in Britain in the late 19th century to go with number 1 gauge or 1/32 model trains popular at the time. S gauge is 3/16 or half that. Kind Regards, John Harvey brigadie@... *************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient, any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender. This message has been scanned for viruses by the Dragnet CleanMail Service. ***************************************************************************

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26967	From: aglorince	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: FW: 28 mm (was Cows & other animals)

having had some involvement with military miniatures this is what i remimber. most 25 mm miniatures of ancients or fantasy are scaled to 5mm = 1ft this works out to .1968 in = 1 ft vs 3/16 or .1875in = 1' not to bad. 27-30's are considered to be modern 25's so average a little taller. i also find that the sculpting is more accurate than most figures made for model railroaders. as for all those strange people runing around your layout, all you need are some camera crews. andy lorince --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> wrote: > I just sent this to the S-Scale list as the same conversation (not the same > people) is happening there. > > Thorin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marty.Thorin > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:40 AM > To: 'S-Scale@yahoogroups.com'; 't.hawley' > Subject: 28 mm (was Cows & other animals) > > > Good morning: > At the last Gen Con, which was held in Milwaukee, I went hunting for > figures for my model railroad. I was armed with one of Bill Daymo's six > inch S-Gauge rulers. (Three inches of one lives in my wallet.) > 25 mm men scaled out to about 4 1/2 feet tall. Great older kids. > 28 mm men scaled out to between 5 1/2 and 6 feet tall. Perfect. > 33 mm men were in the 7 foot range. > > I ended up purchasing a lot of people made by "Revisesco". Each package > contained between five and eight unpainted people for about $5.00 per pack. > These included > - scoundrels with mutton chops, top hats and capes, > - 20's era flappers and dandies, > - restless dead (clothed skeletons: my layout has some weird occupants), > - Safari set with two men, a woman on horseback (includes horse), and a > Calamity Jane type, > - Gillmen (think "Creature from the Black Lagoon"), > - Irish civilians (who look generic enough to be my wife's Norwegian > Minnesota relatives in 2003). These are very, very useful. > - Mexican bandits with sombreros. > > I also purchased from "Thunderbolt Mountain" > - Sea Changes (mermaid mom, merson and merdaughter), > - King Poseidon on his chariot pulled by three dolphins and two mermaids. > > There were many, many warriors (think "Lord of the Rings") in both sexes but > nearly all the women needed major reduction surgery to get down to Dolly > Parton. I look for realistic so I passed. > I also passed on many other figures. My layout is set in 2003 in North > America. I have limited uses for Roman solders in skirts, Shoman warriors, > Headhunters, Swahili warriors with shields, Aztec priests in full garb, or > peasant girls in medieval garb. (Although these others were fun to look > at.) > > What I learned is: 28 mm is another name for S Scale. > > Thorin > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:33:45 -0400 > From: "t.hawley" <t.hawley@c...> > Subject: Cows & other animals > > ----- Original Message ----- > . . . . . . . . . I would still like to see more S gauge animals for > scenery produced. . . . . . . . . . > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I was in hobby shop a few days ago and they know I do S, so one of them > showed me what he thought might be a good S scale cow, and a few other > animals. They were in a line of figures from a company called Hovel I > think, called 25 mm rather than 1/64. I'm not sure how close they are to S, > and I don't know a beef cow from a milk cow, but you might have a look the > next time you're in your local hobby shop. > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26968	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] A horny question

Roger, I'm not certain about what you are describing, but Leslie horns are basically a spring loaded diaphragm against the mouth of a horn trumpet. The air pushes against it, and the vibrations of the air being released and held back at a rapid rate creates the "Musical tone." Most of these horns have a set screw type assembly on there "backs" that adjust the spring pressure for "tuning." All of this is somewhat relative, but they can be adjusted to be more melodic than not. Usually the horns mount on a manifold that determines their positions (forwards and backwards) and it mounts through the loco roof with a pipe fitting on the bottom, and a flange to be bolted to the roof. It takes a lot of air to blow these puppies, and they are LOUD. Truckers steal them off railroads, as do "railfans" (I refuse to consider such thieves true railfans). They aren't cheap, you may have found a "sleeper" though. The valve to blow the horn is not a part of the horn, usually. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26969	From: starr007	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: endfence for 654, 954 heavyweight car

Greetings, Does anyone have and endfence for a 654, 0r 954 Heavyweight car, Or know of anyone who makes a reproduction? You may contact me at starr007@.... Thanks in advance, J.R. Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26970	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: American Flyer Motor parts

We have accumulated quite a few armatures, fields, and reverse units in the past three years. Ones that were usable have been refurbished and resurfaced by us and we would like to reduce our stock of them some. We also have some that need rewinding if you are in that mode. Anyone interested please write to snstrains@... for prices and availability. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26971	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/28/2003
Subject: Leslie horns

DD: Is there any relationship between the Leslie loco horns and the Leslie rotating speakers that Hammond organ players use? I always wondered about this. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26972	From: Bruce Willis	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: Hudson prototype

I've been asking this in my limited circles and was finally introduced to this list yesterday. Here is my question. What is the prototype for the Flyer Hudson? I have a Hudson that I've restored and would like to put the prototype number and lettering on it, and maybe a few easy extra details. I'm not a scale modeler, but I like to spiff up my trains. I've gathered quite a few Hudson photos and noticed that only the very earliest seem to have the straight uninterupted walkways along the boiler like the Flyer version. The lettering style also changed early on. I would love any information I could get on the prototype. Bruce Willis (not the actor) willisbd@... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26973	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: (no subject)

S: FEST: St. Louis Oct & Nov 1 1 Please send me a registration packet for this meet. I tried to access the on line can't get thru. Gerald Dobbs 12286 w. Kentucky Dr. Lakewood, Colorado 80228-3314 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26974	From: trainman634	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: Most Produced Roadname

Which roadname did American Flyer use the most on engines and freight cars? Which roadname did Lionel use the most on American Flyer engines and freight cars? Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26975	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: Re: Hudson prototype

The Flyer Hudson is a fairly correct model of a New York Central J - 3a Hudson. NYC # 5405 & up to # 5440 the last 15 were streamlined # 5441-5455. I think what you may have seen was a J-1 # 5200 - 5404 or maybe the J -2 # 600- 619 which were all assigned to the Boston & Albany & all of these had smaller tenders with four wheel trucks For more info look for a book by AL Stauffer titled the Thouroghbreds first published in about 1974 but is still avalible & one last note the J-3 Hudson was rated at 5 thousand H.P. on a dynomometer car .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26976	From: David	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: Re: Hudson prototype

How about a genuine revenue sound bite? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dave0616/SOUNDS/NYCJ3a5405.mp3 Crank your sound up real far.... :O)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26977	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: [Fwd: results]

I finally posted the image that I said I would do, see below. Image is at http://trainweb.org/mhrr/mhrreast/track-hgt.gif -------- Original Message -------- Subject: rail height Someone recently commented on wanting to have their yard rails at a lower elevation than their mainline rails. I'm doing the same on my S-MOD modules. Also, I'll use 125 on one mainline (to provide AF running capability when the modules are used at club shows), and code 100 on the other, and I would like the top of rail to be at the same height. After spending quite a while with the calculator adding up different combinations of rail, roadbed, and subroadbed height, it dawned on me to use a spreadsheet and let the computer do the calculating. Added bonus, let the computer show the results in graph format to make it really easy to see the differences in top of rail height for the various combinations. I'll post an image file showing the results. -- Ted Larson http://sbarch.cob.rit.edu/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26978	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: K-Line Catalog 2

Hope I'm not being repetitive, but I haven't seen this info posted yet..... K-Line's 2003 Catalog 2 was just released, and it contains 26 items for S gauge. The original 16 cars remain available, so if you chose to wait, then (unlike with Lionel) you now have a second chance. (Actually, we have extras of all the cars still on hand, at $17 each.) In addition, the ten new cars include: (a) two triple-dome tank cars--- NoPac, and Pure Oil. (b) two boxcars--- UP, and Reading. (c) four illuminated bay-window cabeese--- Reading, PRR, Milw Road, and SP. (d) two depressed-center flatcars with diecast construction loads--- Milw Road with frontend loader; and C&O with steam roller. All items are $19.95 MSRP.....as with the first release, our advance-order price is $17. (Not sure when the ordering deadline is yet, but I assume it will be sometime in September.) We will have images on our website ASAP......K-Line doesn't even have their Catalog 2 on their own site yet! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26979	From: Edward G.	Date: 8/29/2003
Subject: Off Topic..>>> 60% contained But BC still Burning

Here is a Video Update of Kelowna BC Canada ...Still NO RAIN for at least another 10 days ..and continuing High temps ..30 C -- 92 F Take a look guys ...http://www.mediabutton.com/fire/index_1.htm#

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26980	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Dallee Electrionics constant lighting units

Hi All, I have a LARGE quantity of Dallee Electronics RL1 and RL1b regular and directional constant lighting units that I will be selling. I am pretty sure they will work on AC and DC. Some of them are the original smaller units that will fit in the smokebox area of most steam engines. Dallas has since made the PC board bigger making it a much more difficult fit. I may have a few caboose lighting units as well. I just check the Dallee site. It does not look like these are available anymore. Please reply with what you want, and will pay for them. I think they were about $8.00 each back in the day. Otherwise, they will be going on Ebay very soon! Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26981	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: Most Produced Roadname

For AF, I'd say it was Reading RR. Of course for both it was American Flyer Lines and L**N*L Lines (I just can't bear to type that word here!) ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26982	From: David Engle	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: Most Produced Roadname

Take Heart--at least it ain't Santa Fe. -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:29 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; trainman634 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Produced Roadname For AF, I'd say it was Reading RR. Of course for both it was American Flyer Lines and L**N*L Lines (I just can't bear to type that word here!) ;-) S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26983	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: 54mm question....

**(((I don't know my mm's!!! How does 54mm compare to 3/16ths--1/64th ?????)))*** Thanks to all that replied!! And I KNEW,.. I was setting Dewey up for a joke!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26984	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Dave Deal

Dave Deal, please contact me if you are still on this list. I have an old email address for you. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26985	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: #930 Caboose light...HELP!

I received a 930 caboose off of eBay,....and I am having a problem with the light. It won't work on the track,...but does when I hook it up to a trannie,...the problem seems to be with the non-insulated truck, I can wiggle the truck and the light will work. It's such a pain taking these apart, but may have to. Any suggestions??? Thanks!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26986	From: Al Galli	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: help with AF 556

Well I just picked up a really nice 556 AF Royal Blue 3/16 O gauge freight set. Its so nice I think I'll have to keep it and run it on my layout. One problem, however is that it is missing the lead engine truck. It runs fine without the 4 leading wheels but doesn't look quite right. Anyone know where I can get a lead truck? I will also post this on the O gauge group Thanks Al GAlli

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26987	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: #930 Caboose light...HELP!

***(((( #930 Caboose light...HELP!)))**** Ok,...this is EMBARRASSING!!! I had cleaned the wheels with Q-Tips and TV tuner spray... they still looked a little black, BUT I didn't think it was enough to be a problem. Well,...hit 'em again with WD-40, more Q-Tips, and a tiny screwdriver. They WERE dirty!! All is well now,...the 930 lights up fine!! Rick "I hang my head in shame" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26988	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: "S" list member count.....

I haven't been to the site in a while,...and I see we now have 805 members!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26989	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: help with AF 556

In a message dated 8/30/03 3:59:59 PM, agalli@... writes: << Anyone know where I can get a lead truck? >> Repro prewar 0-gauge pilots trucks for Gilbert flyer can be obtained from: Ron Leventon Chehalis, WA 98532 360-748-3643 His part No. is 1012 for a Royal Blue pilot. Not to slight other suppliers -- just know that Ron has a wide selection of prewar parts. Our friend Doug Peck has a selection of 0 gauge parts, too, and you might also check with him. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26990	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Flyer Geep frame

Anybody out there in the ether have a GEEP frame or two they want to part with? It would be heaven to find a 372 frame or a Flyonel cast frame. Also need a sheet metal frame for a 370 etc. Thanks in advance. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26991	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: test only for DAVID DEWEY----Delete....

Test [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26992	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: Re: 54mm question....

Hey Rick, Every act has to have a good straight man! ;-) S' David D. PS, It is always good to walk a mile in someone's shoes before you criticize them, that way you are a mile away and have their shoes too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26993	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: most produced roadname

I would say that the road name ACG produced most was the New Haven, which ran right outside the factory windows. They made the New Haven Osgood-Bradley coaches, the 290 steam loco, the PA. the EP-5 electric, the orange stripe streamlined passenger cars (New Haven had similar cars with an orange stripe), the orange boxcar, and the 928 New Haven flatcar. They also made the Guilford and Mystic stations, and the Branford diner. These were all New Haven RR station stops. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26994	From: carltonlowry	Date: 8/30/2003
Subject: 370, 371, 372, etc.

Hey Guys & Gals. I finally got my computer debugged. Been having problems for a couple of weeks. I see a few postings about 370 link bars. I have one that works great. My question is, does anyone out there either have or know of a couple of shells ( condition not a factor ) that I can purchase or horse trade for? Contact me off list if you can help. Thanks, Carlton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26995	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2003
Subject: Re: help with AF 556

Al, Hmm, that's a unique front truck. If you can't find one, maybe the S one would work by changing the axles and using some spacer washers? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26996	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2003
Subject: Re: most produced roadname

Tom, Those are all good points, but don't forget the kadzillions of 3XX steam locomotives, and every tender had "Reading Lines" in a diamond on it! Nearly every starter steam set had one! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26997	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/31/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, August 31, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26998	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: Alco question - Which alco is right?

S-Trainers, I saw a review in CTT I received last week of the new gauge Lionel Alco. It look like its nose was short and rounded (almost like an F3) compared to the AF version of the Alco. Was the AF version prototypically accurate - longer squarer nose, or is the current Lionel more accurately prototypical with its shorter rounded nose? Or is the Lionel suffering from the Lionel squish factor to get it around the 027 curves and track issues? Thank You, Scott Dee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 26999	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: B&LE hopper/ AF prototype

Pieter and List I have a few of those A F 3 bay hopper shells that could be for sale. These are NEW never been painted gray plastic without trucks. First $10.00 each plus shipping wins! I think I have about 5 of them. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27000	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: Re: Alco question - Which alco is right?

Take a look at this web site. I think this should answer your question! http://www.nkp190.com/ Scott Davidson wrote: >It look like its nose was short and rounded (almost like an F3) compared >to the AF version of the Alco. > > > >Was the AF version prototypically accurate - longer squarer nose, or is >the current Lionel more accurately prototypical with its shorter rounded >nose? Or is the Lionel suffering from the Lionel squish factor to get >it around the 027 curves and track issues? > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27001	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: 755 Talking Station

Hey folks,I have a problem with my 755.I have it wired as per instructions. Is the insulated portion of track always insulated until the station is activated? Is the insulated portion of track only insulated when the station is activated? For some reason my insulated track is always without power,no matter what. Does the station when in operation cut the power to the section or vice versa. I told a friend of mine all this, he said it works fine but I am still having the same problem. Any ideas? Thanks,John.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27002	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: 755 Talking Station

John: you probably have to clean the drum. A q-tip and isopropyl alcohol or mineral spirits ought to do it, as the culprit is probably old lubricant which must be removed. If corrosion is present, some very fine sandpaper, #400 or 500, will remove it. The insulated track section is powered through a finger contact which contacts the drum, which is connected to the base post. When the drum rotates, at the correct time the finger passes over a gap in the drum, the finger breaks contact, and the train is stopped. THe finger itself may be bent away from the drum or otherwise damaged, but this is unusual because they are so robuist. In a worst case scenario, you would have to fabricate a new finger from suitable metal, copying the original, but this is highly unlikely. Good luck. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27003	From: littletownkid1952	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: GarGaves S gauge sectional track

I'm using GarGraves sectional track for my upcoming layout. I just found out, the GarGraves is no longer making it. Does anyone out there have any GarGraves sectional track to sell? I'm at a stand- still without it. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27004	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: Re: GarGaves S gauge sectional track

I was in Mt Airy, MD last Wednesday. While there I spent some time browsing around the train shop. The train shop name is the Train Depot. They had couple of boxes of Gargraves sectional track in their track rack. Do not remember if it was straight or curved. Their telephone number is 301-607-8155. Gargraves is continuing to manufacture the flex track with wood ties. Not that difficult to bend if you make a jig for the radius your trying to bend it to and take your time. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "littletownkid1952" <littletownkid1952@y...> wrote: > I'm using GarGraves sectional track for my upcoming layout. I just > found out, the GarGraves is no longer making it. Does anyone out > there have any GarGraves sectional track to sell? I'm at a stand- > still without it. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27005	From: carl tuveson	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: Conifer Trees for cheap.

I have been saving our old Christmas wreath for years with the intention of stripping the branches off of it to make realistic Conifer trees for my layout. I have made a page that shows details and the process at : http://www.tuveson.com/conifers/making_conifer_trees.htm From now till Christmas is the best time to pick up the materials if you are interested. Carll [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27006	From: Roger Haag	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Hello, I have about 20 three foot pieces that I will not be using on my new layout. About 30% is used but in good shape. I will let you know tomorrow night, as it is now too late to itemize. I'll let you know what I have and if you are interested, with a fair price, I will be glad to send it to you. Roger _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27007	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/1/2003
Subject: Re: Alco question - Which alco is right?

Scott, Depends on which Alco model you are looking at. The AF one is pretty close to correct, although AM did one more recently that was supposed to be even more correct. The Alco FA loco, uses four wheel trucks and has a shorter nose, but still with the typical Alco headlight treatment. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27008	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Re: Conifer Trees for cheap.

Hi Carl: Thanks for a great tip on tree making. Will save under scenery! Rance Velapoldi carl tuveson wrote: >I have been saving our old Christmas wreath for years with the intention of stripping the branches off of it to make realistic Conifer trees for my layout. I have made a page that shows details and the process at : > >http://www.tuveson.com/conifers/making_conifer_trees.htm > > From now till Christmas is the best time to pick up the materials if you are interested. > >Carll > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27009	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Re: Gargraves track

We still have Gargraves track in stock, with the exception of the 42" and 54" radius......just sold the last of that last week. What are you looking for??? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27010	From: jaytewilli	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: 15B Transformer

I picked up a nice looking 15B Transformer the other day. It works fine except the bulb that indicates the circuit breaker tripped doesn't light. When I opened the case up I was surprised to find that it has two circuit breakers instead of just one that I usually see. It appears that one of the breakers is not working. The transformer is stamped "APR 1955" on the inside. Does anyone have a wiring schematic for the 15B that shows the two circuit breakers instead of one? Has anyone made progress on finding replacement circuit breakers? Daryl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27011	From: hgetrain	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Re: Alco question - Which alco is right?

Lionel has modeled the freight version, [FA-2], while AF modeled the passenger version, [PA-1]. The FA has a short nose and the PA has a long nose. The Lionel model is the more accurate but remember the AF model was designed 53 years ago. The AF model has a few deviations from the prototype but is still a very respectable model. American Models has done an excellent job of modeling both the FA and the PA in S Gauge, and their models are comparable with the better O Gauge models. Harry Eberhardt --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Davidson" <scottdee25@h...> wrote: > S-Trainers, > > > > I saw a review in CTT I received last week of the new gauge Lionel Alco. > > It look like its nose was short and rounded (almost like an F3) compared > to the AF version of the Alco. > > > > Was the AF version prototypically accurate - longer squarer nose, or is > the current Lionel more accurately prototypical with its shorter rounded > nose? Or is the Lionel suffering from the Lionel squish factor to get > it around the 027 curves and track issues? > > Thank You, > > Scott Dee > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27012	From: Ted Larson	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Corner Tavern

> http://www.barmillsmodels.com/ > > Not only the Feed and Hardware store Joe mentioned, but also a neat > city Tavern kit that could be any type of corner retail Many of us might look at the wooden tavern building and say that we don't model the "wild west". This type of building was quite common in smaller towns up through the transition era, and many are still to be seen. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27013	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

The September list is posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27014	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: SHS Locomatic controller

We have a never used Locomatic train controller by S-Helper Service. It is unused and designed for the F-3/F-7 genre of locomotives put out by them. It is another great product of theirs. We are offering it for $35 plus shipping. Next stop.......Ebay Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27015	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Locomatic cintroller

The controller advertised here earlier today has been sold. Thanks Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27016	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Ballast

Toys R Us had 50 pound bag of sand for $5. It is little stones not sand. Cristal like. So I tried to use it on AM track. Proved to be to large so it is not a bargain unless I use it for something else. So I had to dig some of it out and I decided to use Paint Texture that comes in 2 bags per box "Homax" brand in 3 textures. I use this as ground cover. I brush on 1/2 mixture of water and white glue. Then sprinkle it on and spray with windex to make it flow. It works great and covers up everything. I use ceiling title and 1/2 HO and 1/2 O cork bed. So I decided to use the Medium texture as ballast. Then I use fine to fill in later. The result looks like Pike Master All Aboard Panels. My big mistake was not to mix it with gravy paint so I bought White and Black Temp paint at craft store for $1.99. I'll mix it with the white glue. May need to only use black. Figure I'll have to paint it with different shades of gray. The result is cheap light weight ballast. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27017	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Re: Ballast

Gee....I never dreamed of using GRAVY to mix with ballast....Wonder if it works like GRITS and BUTTER....( Buttered Kitty Litter )......Bob "My big mistake was not to mix it with gravy paint so I bought White and Black Temp paint at craft store for"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27018	From: John Huster	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: Sold Out SHS Cars On EBAY

I just listed several Sold Out S Helper Service Freight Cars on ebay. Perhaps you will find something you have been looking for. To see the list, please click on the following link http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=johnhuste r&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 Have fun, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27019	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/2/2003
Subject: 15B transformer

Daryl: there should be schematic diagrams of the one breaker single turret, two breaker single turret, and two breaker double turret, in the Roundhouse in the next issue of S Gaugian magazine. I drew them for part III of my article on turret transformers. Gilbert never published a schematic of the two breaker single system, and there were errors in the ones they did publish. I drew the 2 breaker from a 16B. You may be able to find an exact replacement for the broken breaker. There should be a number on it. Service stations had them back in the day so there are still some out there. If not , I would try a 4 amp self resetting automotive breaker from an auto parts store. You would have to improvise a mount but there is plenty of room. The history of these transformers is endlessly confusing. I thought the two breaker single was an early system, replaced by the one breaker single. Yet you say yours is dated 1955, which is toward the end of turret production. The Gilbert factory changed many things during the few short years they were in production. Apparently, sometimes they went back to previous versions. In the two breaker single system, one breaker protects the variable voltage circuit and one protects the fixed voltage circuit. In the one breaker system, one breaker protects both -- the base post has to run thru it. I don't see why it would have been necessary to have two breakers when one would do. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27020	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Ballast

Hi all: Has anyone found a ballast that basically matches to some extent the color that SHS uses for its S-trax system? I have used S-trax as well as some of the SHS flex-track and AM track and need some ballast that matches the S-trax "already ballasted" sections. Any suggestions Don, anyone out there??? Tx in advance. Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27021	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] viruses, again....

I haven't received the SOS one, but my Norton has caught over 200 infected files arriving here DAILY, starting the end of last week. MOST of them are the "sobig" virus. Unfortunately, you can't believe the identity of the "sender" since it is false. Keep your virus software up-to-date, as well as your Microsoft OS upgrades!!!!! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fraley [mailto:wjfraley@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:18 AM To: nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Digest Number 82 Don't open this! From: "sajaeger" <sajaeger@...> To: <wjfraley@...> Subject: Sos! Date: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:41 PM This infected file came in with your nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com This file only shows up on my emails when you send me a message. Is anyone else on this list receiving the above infected file? Bill Fraley To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: nasgmembers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27022	From: John A Foley	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Request

Hi Folks We are going to ran a two page color spread in a magazine called Model Retailer. This publication goes to over 4,000 hobby shops around North America. This is an effort to inform the shop owners that S is alive and growing which new products coming out all the time. We hope to be in the Nov. 03 issue. If not it will be Dec's issue. The reason for this email? I am requesting that all S Gaugers Scale, Hirail, AF & S Narrow gauge Contact hobby shops in your area and ask them if they stock S gauge. The Participants in the ad are, NASG SHS Train Stuff LLC SnSn3 under new owner Putt Trains Pennsylvania Heritage Models Kaslo Tomalco Lionel John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27023	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1994

There will be a small voltage drop across the circuit breaker due to the resistance in the bi-metalic strip. The voltage will vary from circuit breaker to circuit breaker and puts the base post at an unknown voltage above the neutral output of the transformer. This could cause problems when connecting the base posts of multiple transformers together. It is always better to put a protection device, be fuse, circuit breaker or switch in the hot side of a circuit rather than the return side. Vic Bereskin > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:54:43 -0400 > From: jarcho@... > Subject: 15B transformer > > > In the two breaker single system, one breaker protects the variable voltage > circuit and one protects the fixed voltage circuit. In the one breaker > system, one breaker protects both -- the base post has to run thru it. I > don't see why it would have been necessary to have two breakers when one > would do. > > Tom Jarcho >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27024	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Re: Request

John....I always ask about "S" every time I go into A hobby shop....Last Saturday morning I visited 2 shops in Orlando...train works...Said they are carrying some items in "S" now...Then I went to Colonial Hobbies...the largest in Orlando....Their reply..."We don't have the space to put it as it won't sell"...other shops..."What's "S" gauge?" Etc....A very large shop...Niagara Hobbies...."Never heard of it!!!" and the list goes on and on...I will keep asking anyway....EDUCATION is what's needed....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "John A Foley" <john.foley16@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <Sn3@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Request > Hi Folks > > We are going to ran a two page color spread in a magazine called > Model Retailer. This publication goes to over 4,000 hobby shops > around North America. This is an effort to inform the shop owners > that S is alive and growing which new products coming out all the > time. We hope to be in the Nov. 03 issue. If not it will be Dec's issue. > > The reason for this email? I am requesting that all S Gaugers Scale, > Hirail, AF & S Narrow gauge Contact hobby shops in your area and ask > them if they stock S gauge. > > The Participants in the ad are, > > NASG > SHS > Train Stuff LLC > SnSn3 under new owner > Putt Trains > Pennsylvania Heritage Models > Kaslo > Tomalco > Lionel > > John Foley > NASG Promotions > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27025	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: [S trains] a docksider question

Hi Gents: I have a blue docksider. It only runs in one direction. Can it be converted to an engine that runs in two directions? If it can what is involved? Thanks for your patience. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27026	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: [S trains] For your information RFDTV

Hi again: I have a satellite dish that catches RFD TV. This satellite station (9409 Dish Network) has a show called Locomotives and Trains. I think it will interest a lot of "diehard" railroad buffs. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27027	From: William Lange	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Request

For those in the New Jersey area give the Train Station in Mountain Lakes a call. One of the sales guys there is trying to build their 'S' business. His name is Doug. There are 2 Doug's so he's known as the 'Flyer Guy'. The phone number is 973-263-1979. They usually have a couple of used sets and odds and ends. They stock some Flyonel an K-Line as well. The Model Railroad Shop in Piscataway stocks some S-Helper and displays a few pieces of American Flyer as well. They usually have some stuff in the back that takes a while to sort through, but they'll call you if they have what you are looking for. The owner's name is Jack and the phone # is 732-968-5696. Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27028	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: AF FOR SALE

HI, i have a lot of american flyer for sale,,i have it on on a list, before it goes on ebay want to give the people on this list first channe at it,email me if interested and i will send out the list,thanks,,,,,,,, lou lglumac@... ----- Original Message ----- > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27029	From: John G	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Re: 15B transformer

I just got the new S-Gaugian magazine. I really enjoyed the transformer article that Tom Jarcho wrote. Excellent piece of information! John Gasal --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > Daryl: there should be schematic diagrams of the one breaker single > turret, two breaker single turret, and two breaker double turret, in the > Roundhouse in the next issue of S Gaugian magazine. I drew them for part > III of my article on turret transformers. Gilbert never published a > schematic of the two breaker single system, and there were errors in the > ones they did publish. I drew the 2 breaker from a 16B. > > You may be able to find an exact replacement for the broken breaker. There > should be a number on it. Service stations had them back in the day so > there are still some out there. If not , I would try a 4 amp self > resetting automotive breaker from an auto parts store. You would have to > improvise a mount but there is plenty of room. > > The history of these transformers is endlessly confusing. I thought the > two breaker single was an early system, replaced by the one breaker single. > Yet you say yours is dated 1955, which is toward the end of turret > production. The Gilbert factory changed many things during the few short > years they were in production. Apparently, sometimes they went back to > previous versions. > > In the two breaker single system, one breaker protects the variable voltage > circuit and one protects the fixed voltage circuit. In the one breaker > system, one breaker protects both -- the base post has to run thru it. I > don't see why it would have been necessary to have two breakers when one > would do. > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27030	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] a docksider question

Two choices: 1) Find a 2 step reverse unit and wire it in or 2)convert to DC as wiring shows on Paul Yorke's website at: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/rectifier.htm A 3rd option is a manual reverse switch, probably not what you'd want. Chuck Smith: Chemung Valley Lines ----- Original Message ----- From: <WEG138@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] [S trains] a docksider question > Hi Gents: > I have a blue docksider. It only runs in one direction. Can it be > converted to an engine that runs in two directions? If it can what is involved? > Thanks for your patience. > > Bill Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27031	From: John Huster	Date: 9/3/2003
Subject: My ebay /SHS Auctions

I have had several e-mails regarding my current ebay listings of several out of stock SHS items. It appears that some computers drop one or two digits from a link that spills over to a second line, as was the case with my S-List posting. Therefore, if you wish to see my items on ebay, please click on http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16509&item=3144398572 If it works, please then click on "view sellers other items" for a complete list of my ebay auctions. Or you can search on ebay for item number 3144398572 then click on "view sellers other items". Sorry for the confusion. John Huster

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27032	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: Blantant SHS commericalism

We are scheduled to get a container today with ten roadnames of our new 2 bay offset hoppers, 4 new panel side hopper roadnames (NYC black, Canadian National, Rock Island and one set of new numbers for the sold out Anderson set B and #8), the Uncouplers and as well as the out of stock rail joiners. The offset hoppers can be seen at: http://www.showcaseline.com/OffsetHoppers/offsethoppers.html Jon our Webmaster has also added the ore car pages to our site. Ken Zieska has been helping with the review and sent us an image of the door opening mechanism. Wow, did our builder do a great job of design. I think I can say this maybe the most detailed ore car produced in any scale. The image can be found at: http://www.showcaseline.com/OreCars/orecars.html Best regards, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27033	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: My ebay /SHS Auctions

If you take the &category=16509 out of the link it will be short enough to avoid the wrap: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3144398572 You could also change your email settings to make the line width when composing an email to be long enough to contain the whole URL. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27034	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: a docksider question

Dear Bill: My blue docksider only ran forward when it was new too. (About 1965). My father had the local hobby shop install an AF two position reverser on the back of the motor in the cab. The mounting tabs are already on the mechanism. Because my dockside has always had major problems getting electricity from the two sliders to the motor, I discovered I had to keep the reverser locked in 'forward only'. I did once overcome the power problem. I had a 953 (red heavyweight combine) that the bulb never flickered in. (Sold at 2000 S-Fest.) In the mid 1970s I ran two wires from the socket to the dockside. Finally it had power. It was a bit quick but made a very fine switching locomotive. However, trailing that huge combine made it extremely long for switching. I still have the docksider but I consider it a 'shelf piece'. If I were you, I would either go DC or use a modern electronic reversers. The new reversers 'remember' what direction you are going when there are brief breaks in electric power. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:18:26 EDT From: WEG138@... Subject: [S trains] a docksider question Hi Gents: I have a blue docksider. It only runs in one direction. Can it be converted to an engine that runs in two directions? If it can what is involved? Thanks for your patience. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27035	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: a docksider question

--- "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: > Because my dockside has always had major problems getting > electricity from the two sliders to the motor, I discovered I had to > keep the reverser locked in 'forward only'. The black Docksiders that have the reverse unit have four track contacts (two for each rail) instead of the two that the blue ones have. If adding a reverse unit to the blue, it's necessary to convert to the four contact bottom plate as well, because it's almost impossible to have continuous power supplied by a single track contact. Especially so if going through switches and that's the main reason for having the reverse unit in the first place. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27036	From: Wayne Daren	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1995

I recommend getting a firewall program such as Zone Alarm too. It is telling me that is stopping a hundred "intrusions" in just an hour I am on line. -------Original Message------- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09/04/03 04:25 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1995 > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 11 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. RE: [nasgmembers] viruses, again.... From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> 2. Request From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> 3. Re: Digest Number 1994 From: "Victor Bereskin" <bereskin@...> 4. Re: Request From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> 5. [S trains] a docksider question From: WEG138@... 6. [S trains] For your information RFDTV From: WEG138@... 7. Request From: "William Lange" <blange3@...> 8. AF FOR SALE From: "louis glumac" <lglumac@...> 9. Re: 15B transformer From: "John G" <NotColdEnough@...> 10. Re: [S trains] a docksider question From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> 11. My ebay /SHS Auctions From: John Huster <john@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:54:28 -0400 From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> Subject: RE: [nasgmembers] viruses, again.... I haven't received the SOS one, but my Norton has caught over 200 infected files arriving here DAILY, starting the end of last week. MOST of them are the "sobig" virus. Unfortunately, you can't believe the identity of the "sender" since it is false. Keep your virus software up-to-date, as well as your Microsoft OS upgrades!!!!! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fraley [mailto:wjfraley@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:18 AM To: nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Digest Number 82 Don't open this! From: "sajaeger" <sajaeger@...> To: <wjfraley@...> Subject: Sos! Date: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:41 PM This infected file came in with your nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com This file only shows up on my emails when you send me a message. Is anyone else on this list receiving the above infected file? Bill Fraley To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: nasgmembers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:12:26 -0400 From: John A Foley <john.foley16@...> Subject: Request Hi Folks We are going to ran a two page color spread in a magazine called Model Retailer. This publication goes to over 4,000 hobby shops around North America. This is an effort to inform the shop owners that S is alive and growing which new products coming out all the time. We hope to be in the Nov. 03 issue. If not it will be Dec's issue. The reason for this email? I am requesting that all S Gaugers Scale, Hirail, AF & S Narrow gauge Contact hobby shops in your area and ask them if they stock S gauge. The Participants in the ad are, NASG SHS Train Stuff LLC SnSn3 under new owner Putt Trains Pennsylvania Heritage Models Kaslo Tomalco Lionel John Foley NASG Promotions ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:53:59 -0500 From: "Victor Bereskin" <bereskin@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1994 There will be a small voltage drop across the circuit breaker due to the resistance in the bi-metalic strip. The voltage will vary from circuit breaker to circuit breaker and puts the base post at an unknown voltage above the neutral output of the transformer. This could cause problems when connecting the base posts of multiple transformers together. It is always better to put a protection device, be fuse, circuit breaker or switch in the hot side of a circuit rather than the return side. Vic Bereskin > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:54:43 -0400 > From: jarcho@... > Subject: 15B transformer > > > In the two breaker single system, one breaker protects the variable voltage > circuit and one protects the fixed voltage circuit. In the one breaker > system, one breaker protects both -- the base post has to run thru it. I > don't see why it would have been necessary to have two breakers when one > would do. > > Tom Jarcho > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:49:58 -0400 From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: Request John....I always ask about "S" every time I go into A hobby shop....Last Saturday morning I visited 2 shops in Orlando...train works...Said they are carrying some items in "S" now...Then I went to Colonial Hobbies...the largest in Orlando....Their reply..."We don't have the space to put it as it won't sell"...other shops..."What's "S" gauge?" Etc....A very large shop...Niagara Hobbies...."Never heard of it!!!" and the list goes on and on...I will keep asking anyway....EDUCATION is what's needed....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "John A Foley" <john.foley16@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <Sn3@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Request > Hi Folks > > We are going to ran a two page color spread in a magazine called > Model Retailer. This publication goes to over 4,000 hobby shops > around North America. This is an effort to inform the shop owners > that S is alive and growing which new products coming out all the > time. We hope to be in the Nov. 03 issue. If not it will be Dec's issue. > > The reason for this email? I am requesting that all S Gaugers Scale, > Hirail, AF & S Narrow gauge Contact hobby shops in your area and ask > them if they stock S gauge. > > The Participants in the ad are, > > NASG > SHS > Train Stuff LLC > SnSn3 under new owner > Putt Trains > Pennsylvania Heritage Models > Kaslo > Tomalco > Lionel > > John Foley > NASG Promotions > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:18:26 EDT From: WEG138@... Subject: [S trains] a docksider question Hi Gents: I have a blue docksider. It only runs in one direction. Can it be converted to an engine that runs in two directions? If it can what is involved? Thanks for your patience. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:24:18 EDT From: WEG138@... Subject: [S trains] For your information RFDTV Hi again: I have a satellite dish that catches RFD TV. This satellite station (9409 Dish Network) has a show called Locomotives and Trains. I think it will interest a lot of "diehard" railroad buffs. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:33:10 -0400 From: "William Lange" <blange3@...> Subject: Request For those in the New Jersey area give the Train Station in Mountain Lakes a call. One of the sales guys there is trying to build their 'S' business. His name is Doug. There are 2 Doug's so he's known as the 'Flyer Guy'. The phone number is 973-263-1979. They usually have a couple of used sets and odds and ends. They stock some Flyonel an K-Line as well. The Model Railroad Shop in Piscataway stocks some S-Helper and displays a few pieces of American Flyer as well. They usually have some stuff in the back that takes a while to sort through, but they'll call you if they have what you are looking for. The owner's name is Jack and the phone # is 732-968-5696. Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:36:45 -0400 From: "louis glumac" <lglumac@...> Subject: AF FOR SALE HI, i have a lot of american flyer for sale,,i have it on on a list, before it goes on ebay want to give the people on this list first channe at it,email me if interested and i will send out the list,thanks,,,,,,,, lou lglumac@... ----- Original Message ----- > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:34:57 -0000 From: "John G" <NotColdEnough@...> Subject: Re: 15B transformer I just got the new S-Gaugian magazine. I really enjoyed the transformer article that Tom Jarcho wrote. Excellent piece of information! John Gasal --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > Daryl: there should be schematic diagrams of the one breaker single > turret, two breaker single turret, and two breaker double turret, in the > Roundhouse in the next issue of S Gaugian magazine. I drew them for part > III of my article on turret transformers. Gilbert never published a > schematic of the two breaker single system, and there were errors in the > ones they did publish. I drew the 2 breaker from a 16B. > > You may be able to find an exact replacement for the broken breaker. There > should be a number on it. Service stations had them back in the day so > there are still some out there. If not , I would try a 4 amp self > resetting automotive breaker from an auto parts store. You would have to > improvise a mount but there is plenty of room. > > The history of these transformers is endlessly confusing. I thought the > two breaker single was an early system, replaced by the one breaker single. > Yet you say yours is dated 1955, which is toward the end of turret > production. The Gilbert factory changed many things during the few short > years they were in production. Apparently, sometimes they went back to > previous versions. > > In the two breaker single system, one breaker protects the variable voltage > circuit and one protects the fixed voltage circuit. In the one breaker > system, one breaker protects both -- the base post has to run thru it. I > don't see why it would have been necessary to have two breakers when one > would do. > > Tom Jarcho ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:23:29 -0400 From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> Subject: Re: [S trains] a docksider question Two choices: 1) Find a 2 step reverse unit and wire it in or 2)convert to DC as wiring shows on Paul Yorke's website at: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/rectifier.htm A 3rd option is a manual reverse switch, probably not what you'd want. Chuck Smith: Chemung Valley Lines ----- Original Message ----- From: <WEG138@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] [S trains] a docksider question > Hi Gents: > I have a blue docksider. It only runs in one direction. Can it be > converted to an engine that runs in two directions? If it can what is involved? > Thanks for your patience. > > Bill Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:41:29 -0400 From: John Huster <john@...> Subject: My ebay /SHS Auctions I have had several e-mails regarding my current ebay listings of several out of stock SHS items. It appears that some computers drop one or two digits from a link that spills over to a second line, as was the case with my S-List posting. Therefore, if you wish to see my items on ebay, please click on http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16509&item=3144398572 If it works, please then click on "view sellers other items" for a complete list of my ebay auctions. Or you can search on ebay for item number 3144398572 then click on "view sellers other items". Sorry for the confusion. John Huster ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27037	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: Request

...EDUCATION is what's needed....Bob Conner Bob hit the nail on the head. But maybe education should start with ourselves. Most of you fellow S- Gaugian readers will see the long thoughtful letter by Bob Wilson. IMO, Bob is correct when he says that we won't grow very fast by just trying to get folks to convert over from other scales. We need to go head-to-head with our competition to get the novice on board and I agree that the only way to do this is to get our products into the dealers at hobby shops and train shows. John Foley, our NASG Promotions Chairman asked for help. It is significant that we signed up so many companies for the ad. They want to see their products stocked at dealers. We can help them by bugging those hobby shops for S as a follow up to the ad. A lot of us have been doing that for some time, but I think that S is ready for prime time, so we can't let up. FYI, here are the top 10 model railroad cities (as determined by the Model Railroad Industry Association) Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Washington, Cincinnati, Boston, Seattle, Kansas City, and Chicago. I know we have a lot of S Gaugers in most of those cities, so we should hit the shops there all the harder. I hope that we are ready for prime time. Thanks for listening, Roy Hoffman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27038	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Re: Conifer Trees for cheap.

Carl, Thanks a great idea, and well presented, SteveJay. On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:34:49 -0500 "carl tuveson" <carl@...> writes: > I have been saving our old Christmas wreath for years with the > intention of stripping the branches off of it to make realistic > Conifer trees for my layout. I have made a page that shows details > and the process at : > > http://www.tuveson.com/conifers/making_conifer_trees.htm > > From now till Christmas is the best time to pick up the materials > if you are interested. > > Carll > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27039	From: Hall G	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: American Flyer O gauge not for sale!

I had posted a while back a friend was selling some estate some O gauge American Flyer equipment from the 30's Well it turns out his friend that was pricing stuff for him bought the entire vintage estate lots of trains from the 30's 40's. I had a chance to see this vintage O Gauge running with freight car set. Will try and get a photo for you but wow did this set ever look nice! However there does not seem to be a reverse unit operational. ?? Does anyone know is there a key or hidden location where there is a e unit lockout? This is a big engine with 6 drivers forget # of trailing lead axles? It looks like there is a e unit in the nose of the locomotive? Any ideas? Thanks will pass them along! Gordon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27040	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Circuit Breaker

- GreetingS - Where to put the circuit breaker for a transformer, hot post or base post? That is a good question. Let's first note that the need to put transformers in parallel is rare in model railroading. Paralleling should not be done. The transformer is protected against supplying too much current by the circuit breaker. If the current rises to an overload value, the circuit breaker opens and current stops flowing out of or back into the trans- former. Since the current must be continuous in the path, it does not matter whether the circuit breaker is in the base post lead or the other lead. Putting the circuit breaker in the base post lead means that one breaker is monitoring the total current in the transformer. This is probably a good idea. True, there is a voltage drop across the circuit breaker. But we do not get access to the other side of the breaker so we never see this voltage difference. Hope this helps and cheerS. Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27041	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: [S trains] a docksider question

> >Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:18:26 EDT > From: WEG138@... >Subject: [S trains] a docksider question > >Hi Gents: > I have a blue docksider. It only runs in one direction. Can it be >converted to an engine that runs in two directions? If it can what is >involved? >Thanks for your patience. > >Bill Greaves The answer, simply, is yes. The black Docksiders did reverse. You will need to purchase a two-step reverse unit and mount it at the back of the chassis - this will involve drilling holes. You can then wire in the reverse unit, in the same way as in a Casey Jones or similar loco. I did do this modification, but later removed it when I started to use my blue Docksider for train races. -Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27042	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Wanted: 651 0r 951 shell.....

Hi all,.. I'm still looking for a #651 or a #951 baggage car shell for a repaint project....some SMALL chips/cracks Ok,...but no warping. Thanks, Rick "My Silver Bullet needs a baggage car" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27043	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Mail Check - Again

Please ignore this note. Yahoo has turned me off and I am checking to see if I am back in the running. Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27044	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: Mail Check

Ignore it I'm working on Yahoo Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27045	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/4/2003
Subject: circuit breaker placement

Where to put the circuit breakers in a 20 volt AC system is certainly an interesting question. In your 120v house wiring, It is important to keep the circuit breakers on the hot leads rather than the return leads. THis is because the 120 volt current comes off of either half of a 240V center tap. In an AF AC toy train transformer, the power source is basically inductance in a two pole secondary, not a three pole center tap. The choice as to which lead is the return is purely arbitrary. We just can refer to one or the other with that term. In Flyer transformers, the common terminal between the variable and fixed outputs, the base post, can be considered the return. But it isn't a true return in the sense that the return in your house wiring is. Several Flyer and/or Lionel transfrmers may be phased correctly and linked together in a common rail system, in which one end of each transformer's secondaries are connected. There are two reasons to do this: to avoid large sparks when a train crosses from one transformer's zone to another's, and to improve power distribut8on throughout the layout. I have found that a circuit breakes in an AF transformer, if in good working condition, will break when there is a need, even when wired into a common rail or base post system. I believe this is because the current only passes through the one circuit breaker, even though all the base posts may be linked. If a transformer with the breakers on the variable and fixed voltage leads were in phase and base post linked with a transformer with a breaker on its base post, I guess and believe the breakers would still function, because at no time would the current path run through both breakers. Circuit breakers should not be in series, because they won't heat as quickly. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27046	From: Bradley	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] For your information RFDTV

Checked out the RFDTV channel tonight. Just happened to tune in on an "O" guage model railroad program followed by an antique tractor program. There was a promotional ad for upcoming shows starting in September stating that as a result of viewer input there will be more shows about trains. The ad showed models as well as the real thing. Thanks for the heads up on RFDTV!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27047	From: Al	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: 2 American Flyer TTUX for sale

Good Morning, I have a couple of LTI-American Flyer sets for sale: #1) - LTI-AF Triple Crown Services Intermodal TTUX Set, #6-48511, 2 sections with 2 trailers, built 1996. Run only 1 time with #2 below. I paid $90.00 plus tax. Will sell for: $72.00. Photo available. #2) - LTI-AF Gilbert Intermodal Services TTUX Set, #6-48514, 2 sections with 2 trailers, built 1997. Run only 1 time with #1 above. I paid $90.00 plus tax. Will sell for: $72.00. Shipping is $8.00 each set. Insurance is extra since I don't know where I will be shipping them. BUY ONE OR BOTH! Each set will be sold to the first person on this list who E-mails me for each set. BUY BOTH AND SAVE ON SHIPPING. Thanks Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27048	From: jaytewilli	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Boxes

Does anyone have the timeline on when Gilbert used the different style of boxes i.e., yellow & blue, red & white, Kleerpak, etc.?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27049	From: Al Galli	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: AF HO

Thanks to the many folks who helped me find the front truck for my prewar Royal Blue. A friend of mine has 2 AF HO sets. 30710 ( 31036 erie switcher, tiejector, hay-jector box car , caboose) and 30715 GN passenger set. both in the box and LN. He wants to know what theses might sell for on EBAY or from a dealer. This is well outside my experience. Any ideas? Thanks Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27050	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: ORLANDO

I will be in Orlando from 9/13 to 9/20. I may have time to visit an "S" friendly hobby shop. In 1996 I went to 4 hobby shops in Orlando and one had a lot of consignment Flyer for sale. I bought my 312AC K5 Pacific there one of my best running engines. I have a billboard from Big Kids World of Trains, 1039 N. Mills (US 17-92) are they still there? Glenn Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:49:58 -0400 From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: Request John....I always ask about "S" every time I go into A hobby shop....Last Saturday morning I visited 2 shops in Orlando...train works...Said they are carrying some items in "S" now...Then I went to Colonial Hobbies...the largest in Orlando....Their reply..."We don't have the space to put it as it won't sell"...other shops..."What's "S" gauge?" Etc....A very large shop...Niagara Hobbies...."Never heard of it!!!" and the list goes on and on...I will keep asking anyway.... EDUCATION is what's needed....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "John A Foley" <john.foley16@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; <Sn3@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Request

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27051	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: folded figure eight layout ideas

Tom Jarcho was nice enough to send me a couple sketches of some folded figure eight layout ideas. If you have some layout ideas that you would like to share with the group, but lack the software to generate 'pretty graphics', just send them to me. When i have time I will publish them. I use RR-Tracks for Windows to make the graphics. Enjoy: http://S-Scale.org/albums/albun35 ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27052	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Boxes

**(((Does anyone have the timeline on when Gilbert used the different style of boxes i.e., yellow & blue, red & white, Kleerpak, etc.?)))**** The big Greenberg book has list....a lot to type....I can try to scan it. Anyone interested can email me for a copy. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27053	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: ORLANDO

I live in Orlando, and do not visit the hobby / trains shops any more. They know what S gauge is, but they have a very bad attitude about it! For example, we have one store called the Train Depot, down the block from a neat electronics store Skycraft Parts. I used to go there every couple of months. I would look around, and always someone who ask if they could help. I would mention S, and suddenly they would cool off! The last time I went in there, the woman said "we had some S but it took us 1 1/2 years to sell it", so now we don't carry it. Geesh! Mark Preman is in Orlando, but doesn't have a store to visit. We get by here, but if you want to look a S in Orlando, short of looking at what I have in my train room, I go to eBay... The Skyrcraft parts store is worth a visit. I buy a lot of stuff there like wire, eyelets, meters, etc... Enjoy your visit. Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27054	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: folded figure eight layout ideas

Just what the train doctor ordered! I hope others will take advantage of this offer by Paul. I for one am always looking for new layout ideas and have no problem with tearing down and starting over, especially in winter.John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul Yorke <s_trains@y...> wrote: > Tom Jarcho was nice enough to send me a couple > sketches of some folded figure eight layout ideas. > > If you have some layout ideas that you would like to > share with the group, but lack the software to > generate 'pretty graphics', just send them to me. > When i have time I will publish them. > > I use RR-Tracks for Windows to make the graphics. > > Enjoy: > http://S-Scale.org/albums/albun35 > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27055	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge and Hobby Shops

--- Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: > The last time I went in there, the woman said "we had some S but it > took us 1 1/2 years to sell it, so now we don't carry it." There is a hobby shop nearby me that carries some of the Lionel Flyer stuff, but the store owner is very negative about Flyer. He told me once that Lionel wasn't going to make any more because nobody buys it. He's got one of those plain Seaboard box cars for sale at $54.95 and it's been there for several years. The fact that nobody is dumb enough to buy it at that price has convinced him that there is no interest. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27056	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: 20% Off SALE-Blatant Ad

Lets kick off football season with a pre-pre-Christmas train sale......................... 20% off anything on my list during the month of September. Just remind me of this notice so I know you are from the S-Trains Group. The list is posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27057	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: ORLANDO

Glenn.....Scott and Chuck really summed up the Hobby shops in Orlando and surrounding area.....as for Daytona...Zip....my town Jacksonville....O...I only go to these places too look and sometimes find Model Airplane kits to but....But Rarely....I have gotten several nice sets lately over the net...If you are driving I am in south Jax....1 exit off the I-95 on 295....The closest you might find AF would be in Tampa....But not sure....But if you like Airplanes...Be sure to catch "Flying Tigers" in Kissimmee and Fantasy of Flight about 25 miles from wdw...Bob...Another Architect... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> To: "A/S-TRAINS" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] ORLANDO > I will be in Orlando from 9/13 to 9/20. > I may have time to visit an "S" friendly > hobby shop. In 1996 I went to 4 hobby > shops in Orlando and one had a lot > of consignment Flyer for sale. I bought > my 312AC K5 Pacific there one of my > best running engines. I have a billboard > from Big Kids World of Trains, 1039 N. Mills > (US 17-92) are they still there? > > Glenn > > > Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:49:58 -0400 > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > Subject: Re: Request > > John....I always ask about "S" every > time I go into A hobby shop....Last > Saturday morning I visited 2 shops > in Orlando...train works...Said they are > carrying some items in "S" now...Then > I went to Colonial Hobbies...the > largest in Orlando....Their reply..."We > don't have the space to put it as it > won't sell"...other shops..."What's > "S" gauge?" Etc....A very large > shop...Niagara Hobbies...."Never > heard of it!!!" and the list goes on and > on...I will keep asking anyway.... > EDUCATION is what's needed....Bob Conner > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John A Foley" <john.foley16@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; > <Sn3@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:12 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Request > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27058	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1996

I read some where about a train show in Timonium Maryland Oct 12, 03. Some one around there have some information on this show? Snow is beginning in Colo. and I am headed to York. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27059	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Orlando S Gauge// Help Identify??

Hi all, The few of us who reside in Central Florida have long since learned that SGauge is not a commonality in these parts. The few trains shops that we have, are dedicated to anything but SGauge, not to mention American Flyer. So if your in Orlando, call Chuck, Mark Preman, or myself for an SGauge exhibit. I received a plastic girder, in attached photo, in a trains purchased a week or so ago. I remember the piece as a youngster, ('50-'60's), but cant remember what it was to or how the sets went together. Anyone with any better memory than mine, help would be appreciated . Thanks in Advance, Tom Westhelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27060	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Orlando S Gauge..Dick Schlott

Do any of you remember Dick Schlott? I think he has a small flea market place near Tampa...might have some "s"...Dick used to be a big collector of "s"....having a B unit...comet...etc...the last I have heard of him was about 2 or 3 years ago when he had some flyer up for auction.....I am getting my train room set up now....almost all shelves filled with sets...28 now with space for another 5 or 6..I use engines and cars like the 641 gray gon to fill spaces left...Someday hope to have some pics...Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27061	From: David Engle	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Orlando S Gauge..Dick Schlott

Please correct me on this--I believe Mr. Schlott passed away several years ago. DJE -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:39 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; TWesthelle@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Orlando S Gauge..Dick Schlott Do any of you remember Dick Schlott? I think he has a small flea market place near Tampa...might have some "s"...Dick used to be a big collector of "s"....having a B unit...comet...etc...the last I have heard of him was about 2 or 3 years ago when he had some flyer up for auction.....I am getting my train room set up now....almost all shelves filled with sets...28 now with space for another 5 or 6..I use engines and cars like the 641 gray gon to fill spaces left...Someday hope to have some pics...Bob Conner S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27062	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1996

Going to York!!!!!....Isn't 5 days of train shows enough? In one location....BTW....need to find some shows in the Carolinas around the 11-12...and 26-27 myself....Oh and don't forget the TCA meets in Denver....I have found lots of stuff there in the past...Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1996 > > I read some where about a train show in Timonium Maryland Oct 12, 03. > Some one around there have some information on this show? Snow is > beginning in Colo. and I am headed to York. > Jerry 77-11644 > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27063	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Orlando S Gauge..Dick Schlott

David...quite possibly you are correct...I used to buy A lot from him back in the 80's....he was A nice fellow...I think his wife's name was Ann...I remember buying about 10 All Aboard sets from him at 30.00 per set...Still have 1 left with all the papers, etc...Brand new...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Engle" <rirocket@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <TWesthelle@...> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Orlando S Gauge..Dick Schlott > Please correct me on this--I believe Mr. Schlott passed away several years > ago. DJE > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:39 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; TWesthelle@... > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Orlando S Gauge..Dick Schlott > > > Do any of you remember Dick Schlott? I think he has a small flea market > place near Tampa...might have some "s"...Dick used to be a big collector of > "s"....having a B unit...comet...etc...the last I have heard of him was > about 2 or 3 years ago when he had some flyer up for auction.....I am > getting my train room set up now....almost all shelves filled with sets...28 > now with space for another 5 or 6..I use engines and cars like the 641 gray > gon to fill spaces left...Someday hope to have some pics...Bob Conner > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27064	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: ORLANDO

One place you might check out is Toy Liquidators...They are having A 2 for 1 sale on a lot of Corgi "s" sized stuff....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27065	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 7, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27066	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: AF Track

I have around 2000 sections of track that I am cleaning to store.My problem is that I have to store it in my shed that is not heated,the only time that there is heat in it is when I am out working on repairing train or other stuff.I need to know if there is anything I can put in my storage boxes that will prevent the track from rusting while stored.By the stop at York new orange hall and say hi.I make and sell Plasticville replacement parts. Thanks Bob Persing (BOBBYLINE PARTS)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27067	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 9/5/2003
Subject: Re: Metric conversion

Oops, That's my bad. Should be 1609 METERS. Bigfoot ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> Cc: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Metric conversion > I think you should take a look at that last figure. 1609 mm only equals > 63.35 inches. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 01:45 AM, A.E. Johnson wrote: > > > 54mm is 2.125 inches > > 1 inch is 25.4 mm > > 1 mm is .03937 inch > > 3/16 inch is 4.76 mm > > 1 mile is 1609 mm and some change. Think of it as 1.61 kilometers. > > > > Bigfoot > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27068	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1997

In a message dated 9/6/2003 5:43:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 01:30:10 -0000 > From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@...> > Subject: AF Track Bob, Just a suggestion. Check out a product called Demoist, mfg'd by Coughlan. It should be sold at your local hardware store. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27069	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: AF Track 2

I was asked how long the track will be stored,well it will probly be quite some time.My wife and I are still in discusion about who gets the extra room.Our house is small and no place to store inside. Thanks for the help. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27070	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: Hudson prototype

I recently purchased an old 78 rpm record of train sounds recorded (about 1950) at Peekskill, N.Y. (on Hudson River north of NYC). One of the recordings is of a steamer starting up I guess at the station but I wonder if it was a Hudson or some other type e.g. one of their older pacifics. I do remember the Hudson was used to pull the Century but Peekskill was not a station stop. How could one determine what steamer sound it was? Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27071	From: Steve Roche	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: York newbie

I dropped the idea on my boss to make a sales trip to Central Pa. in mid August (I'm based in Texas).Even after I fessed up why, he thought it was a good idea. I was in York for a Friday a couple of years ago and was like a kid in a candy store. I have heard of all of the un official festivities and meets that happen during the week. I will probably get to the area on Tuesday and have time in the afternoons and evenings to partake in these activities. I'm looking for some advice. Thanks Steve Roche [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27072	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: York newbie

Steve and All.....York can be wild....#1 find a motel first....The Days inn might still have a room or two left....Next read the following PRIMER http://www.toytrains.info/news.asp?t=primer This is the York primer on the TCA page...Has lots of info.....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Roche" <srochepe@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: [S-Trains] York newbie > I dropped the idea on my boss to make a sales trip to Central Pa. in mid August (I'm based in Texas).Even after I fessed up why, he thought it was a good idea. > I was in York for a Friday a couple of years ago and was like a kid in a candy store. I have heard of all of the un official festivities and meets that happen during the week. I will probably get to the area on Tuesday and have time in the afternoons and evenings to partake in these activities. I'm looking for some advice. > Thanks Steve Roche > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27073	From: theheadliner@topeka.net	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track 2

A good full feature hardware store should have anti corrosion paper sheets that can be put in that will retard and damage. You may have to check more than one to find it, hardware stores are getting to the point they only carry hot sellers anymore. I did not try, but a search on Google would probably find you a source if you can't find it locally. Your local museum should have a source. They make it for iron, steel, copper-brass and silver. I have used them all and they work pretty well. Jerry _____________________________________________________________ Get your FREE Topeka e-mail address at http://cjonline.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27074	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: What track does Lionel use?

For Lionel's boxed sets, what track do they use? Looks like AF... didn't know they were building / selling it... so using K-Line in their sets? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27075	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Test

System crash.Just testing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27076	From: amerflyr@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Wooden Base on a #15 Rectifier

Greetings, Just wanted to solicit some input from the group pertaining to a wooden based #15 rectifier that I just bought. When I received the package in the mail, I thought it was a bit light! Upon further inspection, in addition to a beautiful original box, pack of wood screws, and original instruction sheet, I found the base of the #15 rectifier to be made of wood. The color matches perfectly to other rectifiers that I have. There is a fiber label screwed into the top of the rectifier that reads 'No. 15 Directional (not Directronic) Rectifier..7-15 volts connect to transformer...D.C. Connect to Tracks..The A.C. Gilbert Co. New Haven, Conn. U.S.A.'. There are 8 small square disks on the rectifier (instead of the usual 4), with the original factory identifiers on them. These are smaller than the ones usually seen on the metal based #15's, and are very similar to what you would find on the HO rectifier, but they are not red. Anyone seen or have one of these? I was able to find reference to a wooden base #15 in the first edition of Greenberg's Guide to AF vol. 2 on page 94, but had never noticed this or encountered one in my travels. Thanks, Chuck Sullivan amerflyr@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27077	From: David	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: ORLANDO

The original Train Depot on Minnesota and Mills is long gone. New owners had reopened the store on Fairbanks, but its been a few years since I've been there so I'm not sure they are still around. BKW is long gone. (I used to work for Dave), and Colonial never stocked anything worth a dime anyway. Unless some new stores opened since I moved in 1998, picking are slim in O-Town.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27078	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: Re: What track does Lionel use?

In a message dated 9/6/03 2:21:48 PM, pianoman@... writes: << For Lionel's boxed sets, what track do they use? Looks like AF... didn't know they were building / selling it... so using K-Line in their sets? Michael >> Lionel never have packed track with their AF sets. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27079	From: Robert Wight	Date: 9/6/2003
Subject: 372 new truck

Hi Guys; After a long absence and relocating to California Im back on my trains again. I thought last winter when rick was BBQing while I was freezing it was time for some better weather. My question is I just picked up a 499 and a 372 my first diesel. Ive always collected and ran steamers. One of the trucks has been replaced. What do I need to do to make it look original? Do I paint it? With what paint would I use if I do? Or? Might seem to be something simple to ya all. But I never messed with the diesals before and run into this. Thanks Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27080	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Orlando S Gauge// Help Identify??

Since Yahoo cuts out pics and other attachements, the following is pure conjecture. Girder from a Kenner Girder & Panel Set (Or Bridge & Turnpike) I still have mine! also useful for making large buildings for your layout (I used to do this when I was a kid). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27081	From: jayhoo64	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Orlando S Gauge// Help Identify??

David D. wrote: >the following is pure conjecture. Girder from a Kenner Girder & >Panel Set (Or Bridge & Turnpike) I had the same thought, David. Sure sounds like a Kenner G+P piece. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27082	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: One More Yahoo Check - Please Ignore

Bill Porter 15212 79th Court N Loxahatchee, FL 33470 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27083	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Wooden Base on a #15 Rectifier

----ORIGINAL MESSAGE----- <SNIP> Just wanted to solicit some input from the group pertaining to a wooden based #15 rectifier that I just bought. I have one or two of those in my collection. Not sure of the reason they did this, but does appear to be all original. Certainly not as common as the metal base unit. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27084	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: wheels spinning

The drive wheels on one of my steam engines just spin. They can't seem to get any traction. I have tried clening them with "Goof" but they still just spin. Any suggestions on a fix??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27085	From: Lance McCold	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Storing AF Track

Here is what I would do: I would buy one or more plastic/rubber storage containers with lids. 2000 pieces of track will be heavy so maybe pick a size that can be lifted without a hernia. I would absolutely avoid newspaper, it is acidic and promotes corrosion. Probably no paper is best unless it is something specifically intended to prevent corrosion. I would apply a light mineral oil to the rails (e.g., 3-in-1 oil) and maybe put an oil dampened (not dripping) cotton rag in the container. Oil will tend to oxidize before the metal. I would also add a liberal quantity of silica gel desiccant. Moisture promotes rust. I would use packing tape to try to seal the container from entry of air (and bugs). I would not use duct tape because it deteriorates quickly. I would plan to open the container, renew the desiccant (maybe the oil rag if it is dry), and check the track on the bottom of the container for evidence of corrosion. Then I would reseal it for another year. This may be overkill, but I think it would be safe. Maybe others have better ideas... Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee Message: 18 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 01:30:10 -0000 From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@...> Subject: AF Track I have around 2000 sections of track that I am cleaning to store.My problem is that I have to store it in my shed that is not heated,the only time that there is heat in it is when I am out working on repairing train or other stuff.I need to know if there is anything I can put in my storage boxes that will prevent the track from rusting while stored.By the stop at York new orange hall and say hi.I make and sell Plasticville replacement parts. Thanks Bob Persing (BOBBYLINE PARTS)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27086	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: wheels spinning

We need more information, which locomotive? Sometimes the tender drawbar with wheels attached can be bent and hold the rear of the loco up in the air slightly! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27087	From: Frederick Raab	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Shelburne Museum layout

September 7, 2003 Some years ago, the "S Gaugian" ran an article that described the American Flyer layout that was at the Shelburne Museum in Vermont in the 50s and 60s. Does anyone remember what issue? Thanks. Frederick H. (Fritz) Raab, 240 Staniford Road Burlington, Vermont 05401 Tel./Fax.: +1 (802) 655-9670 Home: +1 (802) 862-0997 E-mail: f.raab@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27088	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 7, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27089	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: November Model Railroader's Track Article on S Scale Track - Previe

This months' Model Railroader (10/03) has an "HO Track Buyer's Guide". It promises next month to have one for S and O Scales Any word on what it will be like? Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27090	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Talking Station Record

Now available from Joe's Train Repair. Repro record for the Talking Station. $11 plus $2 shipping and handling. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27091	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Getting NMRA Acceptance For NASG S Scale Track Gauge - Any Word?

I recall an exchange of e-mails a few months ago. Do we have any word on the progress of the effort? As I recall, all that was required was a few procedural steps and the NASG gauge might be officialy accepted by NMRA. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27092	From: Michael Greene	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Getting NMRA Acceptance For NASG S Scale Track Gauge - Any Word?

Paul, While I could not read the attachment part of your message, the NMRA has completed all the approval steps except the final membership ballot. The S scale changes have been incorporated in the draft revised Standards & Recommended Practices and you can read them at: http://www.nmra.org/standards/pfc/PFC_Standards.html The S scale changes align with NASG standards and recommended practices. Note that these revisions incorporate changes and additions related to a number of scales besides S. To the best of my knowledge the plan is that their will be a single membership ballot for all of these changes and they will be on the next ballot sent to the membership. As I recall, normally NMRA members are allowed to vote on the changes to those scales which are in their membership profile, but I don't know exact how this ballot question will be handled. I've not heard exactly when the ballot will be sent but assume it will be this fall or early winter. In this case for the S changes -- given that they are already approved by the NMRA BOT, and are industry norms & NASG standards, then under the provisions of the NMRA Technical Dept procedures, we have already begun inspecting and issuing NMRA Conformance Warrants for S scale products that meet the revised S standards & RPs. We've already issued NMRA Conformance Warrants to two S Helper Service products. You can find the list of current NMRA Conformance Warrants at: http://www.nmra.org/conformance Regards Michael Greene Chair, NMRA Conformance Program At 08:17 PM 9/7/2003, Paul4Schil@... wrote: > I recall an exchange of e-mails a few months ago. > Do we have any word on the progress of the effort? > As I recall, all that was required was a few procedural steps and the >NASG gauge might be officialy accepted by NMRA. > Paul S. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27093	From: srgriggs	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Anybody use the Lionel Rico Station on their layout?

I'm considering it for mine, but wondered how it looked in an S gauge hirail environment. Does it look too big for the trains? Do the doors look 9 1/2 feet tall compared to S scale figures? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27094	From: Kielek Family	Date: 9/7/2003
Subject: Re: Anybody use the Lionel Rico Station on their layout?

Hey Scott! Yes I used it for one 8' x 13' AF layout years ago. I thought it looked great. I did'nt get to uptight about it since my 755 talking station is also considered "O" gauge, and it was also on my layout serving the inside mainline. It was probably my favorite layout plan out of all the ones I have done over the past 20 years for AF. I even used Buddy "L" Greyhound buses, tanker truck and even space shuttle flat deck on this layout and I thought it all looked GREAT! Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Anybody use the Lionel Rico Station on their layout? > I'm considering it for mine, but wondered how it looked in an S gauge > hirail environment. Does it look too big for the trains? Do the > doors look 9 1/2 feet tall compared to S scale figures? > > Scott > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27095	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: Getting NMRA Acceptance For NASG S Scale Track Gauge - Any Word?

Paul, Also, at the request of the NMRA President, I provided the wholesale and retail costs of the NASG track and wheel gauge because they were interested in selling it along with the track and wheel gauges of the other scales. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27096	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1999

Spinning wheels. I have taken .013 thick neoprene cut in strips and carefully glued then on the two real drive wheels, it works as good as pull-more traction tires, I have used them on flyer, Lionel, American models, and LGB, no problems if installed properly. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27097	From: Neil Becker	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Bangzoom's TrainTracker v.5.0

Now that the new version has been released, has anyone tried their 5.0 software? https://www.bangzoom.com/myProducts.cfm?categoryID=2|TrainTracker%20Software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27098	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1999

Jerry: What glue did you use? Rance Velapoldi Gerald R Dobbs wrote: > > Spinning wheels. I have taken .013 thick neoprene cut in >strips and carefully glued then on the two real drive wheels, it works as >good as pull-more traction tires, I have used them on flyer, Lionel, >American models, and LGB, no problems if installed properly. >Jerry 77-11644 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27099	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: ONLY 53 MORE DAYS TIL FALL S-FEST IN ST. LOUIS! RESERVE NOW!

COMING SOON:  FALL S FEST Looking for that one elusive S-Gauge item? Chances are it will be waiting for you at THE 28TH ANNUAL FALL S FEST St. Louis, Missouri Oct. 31-Nov. 2, 2003. THERE ARE STILL HOTEL ROOMS LEFT WITH PREFERRED PRICING AT THE S-Fest Hotel, Holiday Inn at Westport (adjacent to St. Louis, MO).......BUT YOU MUST HURRY AND RESERVE YOURS NOW! ATTENTION DEALERS/MANUFACTURERS/OTHER VENDORS: TABLES ARE ALSO GOING FAST SO RESERVE YOURS TODAY! It's one of the world's largest gatherings of S-Gauge enthusiasts, manufacturers, and suppliers, featuring trading pit, clinics, contests, spouse activities, and much more. For hotel or registration information, visit <A HREF="www.trainweb.org/afsgsla">www.trainweb.org/afsgsla</A>, or write David Stevens, 8 Castle Dr., Florissant, MO  63034-1301. Please feel free to email me at JNR59@... if you have any questions or wish to place reservations ($ must follow). Look forward to seeing you at this must attend event! Jack Riely Chairman, Dealer/Manufacturers Committee, 2003 Fall S Fest Yahoo Scale and Hi Rail Group member P.S. If you are a dealer or manuafacturer and inquiring regarding a table or other arrangement, please feel free to call me directly at (636) 561-4670. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27100	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: Hudson prototype

Roy/all: Here is the info on the 78 RPM record album with the steam loco sounds on it for identification of what NYC Engine(s)................. Name of albuum: "Rail Dynamics #1070" from Cook's Sounds of our Times: "Recorded on Rainy Nights Along the tracks of the New York Central" Note on back cover: Recorded on rainy nights during the fall of 1050 near the Peekskill, N.Y. station, #1070 holds the sounds of most types of engines used by the great New York Central. Recorded by Cook Laboratories, Stamford, Conn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27101	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] Hudson prototype

Just an interesting note: My grandfather lived in Mt. Kisco, NY. The side of his house was separated from the NYC lines and the station by a hedge and about 25 feet. I remember the sounds of those Hudson steamers pulling passenger cars when they started up from the station, and the freights passing through. Quite some butterflies in the stomach peering through the hedge to see the monsters belching steam and thunder. The poor house would shake with the rolling thunder. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) jnr59@... wrote: >Roy/all: > >Here is the info on the 78 RPM record album with the steam loco sounds on it >for identification of what NYC Engine(s)................. > >Name of albuum: "Rail Dynamics #1070" from Cook's Sounds of our Times: >"Recorded on Rainy Nights Along the tracks of the New York Central" > >Note on back cover: Recorded on rainy nights during the fall of 1050 near the >Peekskill, N.Y. station, #1070 holds the sounds of most types of engines used >by the great New York Central. > >Recorded by Cook Laboratories, Stamford, Conn. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To see or post Files or Photos, visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files >or http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/lst >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... >To POST, send a note to s-scale@yahoogroups.com >To SUBSCRIBE, send a note to s-scale-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27102	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: New K line/Marx cars

I had a Marx collection once, but never had a Bay Window Caboose. I remember thinking it was very wide. The same for the depressed center flat car. What do you guys know about these two cars? jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27103	From: TCS	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: ATT hobby dealers only!!

Due to computer crash, I lost all my records for my POP system, if you had an account set up with me, please send me your info, Name: Address: City: State: Zip: Sales tax number: Phone number: I now have a new POP (point of purchase) So I can re enter the data. PLEASE DO SO OFF LIST!!! Thanks Tom Stolte

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27104	From: Hansen, Bruce x4383	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1999

Are there any shops with Flyer or S scale stuff in the Rochester,NY area? I'll be there on business later this month. Thanks. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27105	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: 21160 wiring diagram

Just got an old set from my cousin with a 21160 Atlantic, but the wire from the tender are disconnected. Everything else looks in great shape, but I need a wiring diagram. Anyone know of a readable one online anywhere? Thanks, Tom _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ========================================================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27106	From: carl tuveson	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: 21160 wiring diagram

Try this link for Steam loco wiring diagrams. http://www.tuveson.com/steamwiring.htm Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Pennington" <pjpennington@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 21160 wiring diagram > Just got an old set from my cousin with a 21160 Atlantic, but the wire from > the tender are disconnected. Everything else looks in great shape, but I > need a wiring diagram. Anyone know of a readable one online > anywhere? Thanks, Tom > > _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] > [||####### #####|______||_____ > || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || > ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| > | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | > []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] > /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ > ======================================================== > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27107	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 9/8/2003
Subject: Re: 21160 wiring diagram

Thanks to all who replied, should be easy to get this one back on the track now. Tom _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ========================================================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27108	From: Stroud Tilley, III	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Prices

Hello, A friend gave me a box of old AF trains (302 steamer and some cars). Being an O Gauge collector, I need some info about prices, ect. I would appreciate any suggestions about websites or other sources of info about S Gauge trains. Thanks, Stroud Tilley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27109	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Re: TRAINTRACKER 5.0

I know they SAY it's "released", but considering that we're a dealer for Bangzoom, and we're only about 50 miles away from them, we haven't received any shipment of them yet! It had better be a BIG improvement over 4.0, because I found 4.0 to be very unsatisfactory. It would not work properly for me, and they were not able to correct it for me.....a big disappointment. I had previously used 3.0, and had no problems with that; I liked 3.0 Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----ORIGINAL MESSAGE----- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:07:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Neil Becker" <afmaven@...> Subject: Bangzoom's TrainTracker v.5.0 Now that the new version has been released, has anyone tried their 5.0 software? https://www.bangzoom.com/myProducts.cfm?categoryID=2|TrainTracker%20Software

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27110	From: michael prell	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] Hudson prototype

Who was responsible for the scrapping of the Hudsons that used to run our lines. Is it true that this fella refused to consider saving even one from the scrap yard? Ever time i look at my 314 I'm reminded of this. Bente and Rance <velapoldi@...> wrote:Just an interesting note: My grandfather lived in Mt. Kisco, NY. The side of his house was separated from the NYC lines and the station by a hedge and about 25 feet. I remember the sounds of those Hudson steamers pulling passenger cars when they started up from the station, and the freights passing through. Quite some butterflies in the stomach peering through the hedge to see the monsters belching steam and thunder. The poor house would shake with the rolling thunder. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) jnr59@... wrote: >Roy/all: > >Here is the info on the 78 RPM record album with the steam loco sounds on it >for identification of what NYC Engine(s)................. > >Name of albuum: "Rail Dynamics #1070" from Cook's Sounds of our Times: >"Recorded on Rainy Nights Along the tracks of the New York Central" > >Note on back cover: Recorded on rainy nights during the fall of 1050 near the >Peekskill, N.Y. station, #1070 holds the sounds of most types of engines used >by the great New York Central. > >Recorded by Cook Laboratories, Stamford, Conn. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To see or post Files or Photos, visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files >or http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/lst >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... >To POST, send a note to s-scale@yahoogroups.com >To SUBSCRIBE, send a note to s-scale-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27111	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2000

Spinning wheels I clean the metal wheel with an ( electric ) ink eraser to remove all the dirt and oil, using instant glue, start gluing and turn the wheel and pull the neoprene slightly tight so as to conform to the bevel of the wheel (takes a little practice ), overlap lap the neoprene, then cut with an exacto on a 45 deg angle +/- remove the waste see that the joint is flat and tight. I have run my locomotives on a module several years only lost one tire. Jerry ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27112	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Indy G.A.T.S. October 18 & 19

I am wanting to know if anyone will have an S Gauge/Scale booth at the Indy show on October 18 & 19. I am wanting to setup a booth for my custom 1/64 scale toys that I have done for my S layout and to offer my new 1/64 semi triler model along with other items. I also don't know who to contact to get a booth. If anyone can help please let me know. Thanks DeWayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27113	From: Jay E. Mellon	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Dick Schlott/Florida S Gauging

Bob, Dave, and Others, I have read the posts concerning Dick Schlott with interest the last several days. If my memory serves me correctly from having recently done some reading in the original S Gauge Herald, Dick was very active with a club called the Deep South S Gaugers, based in Florida. In fact, he and the club originally proposed the presentation of the now very prestigious Bernie Thomas Award (early General Director of NASG) and administrated the award for a number of years in the 60's and 70's (now done by NASG). I had been curious what had happened to Dick and his club and asked the s lists of his whereabouts a couple of years ago. I received no response at that time. However, thanks to Dave Engle's post, I now have part of my answer. Thanks. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27114	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: folded over figure eight ideas

I would like to invite those of you who haven't yet seen it to check out http://S-Scale.org/albums/albun35 There are five ideas which I sent Paul Yorke for folded over figure eights. These track configurations are the best way I know to fit a lot of toy railroading into a given space with an interesting track plan. I have built many successful layouts that utilized these core concepts and hope to write a magazine article including them some day Paul applied his electronic wizardry and drew them beautifully. If you have some track planning ideas to share, Paul will be glad to draw them and add them to the album. There must be other concepts out there that are just as helpful. I'd love to see them. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27115	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Re: Dick Schlott/Florida S Gauging

Jay...I knew Dick and Ann well...They were always at the Fla. TCA meets and when I had Train Shows they always got tables....I think the last item I got from him was A NH AA set....100.00...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay E. Mellon" <jmellon@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Dick Schlott/Florida S Gauging > Bob, Dave, and Others, > > I have read the posts concerning Dick Schlott with interest the last several days. If my memory serves me correctly from having recently done some reading in the original S Gauge Herald, Dick was very active with a club called the Deep South S Gaugers, based in Florida. In fact, he and the club originally proposed the presentation of the now very prestigious Bernie Thomas Award (early General Director of NASG) and administrated the award for a number of years in the 60's and 70's (now done by NASG). I had been curious what had happened to Dick and his club and asked the s lists of his whereabouts a couple of years ago. I received no response at that time. However, thanks to Dave Engle's post, I now have part of my answer. Thanks. > > 'S'incerely, > Jay Mellon > New Orleans, LA > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27116	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: J-3 Hudsons & why none were saved

The person most responsable for not saving any Hudsons was C.E.O. A.E. Perleman, He had a personal dislike for steam engines & took it as his duty to get rid of all steam engines on the property. Saying it was in the stock holders best interest to keep the NYC a profitable railroad , and that steam engines did not project the kind of image that the company and the stockholders wanted (.ie steam is not modern or cost effective ) My personal feeling is that to him steam engines like the J-3 , L-3 , L-4 & mostly the S class 4-8-4 Niagara,( built in 1946) were an embarassment as these engines easily outperformed the new G.M. E-7's ( Niagara's were running 25,000 miles a month with 95 % avalibility, today engines are only begining to reach these figures some 50 years later ) passenger units that they spent a lot of money to get were delivered in 1948 & 49 with more on order from GM as well as units from the other builders, In the companys own dynamometer test a single Niagara was able to handle the same trains as well or better than 2 or 3 of the E-7's also Perleman cut short what turned out to be the last steam engines made by ALCO , this was to have been an order for 25 Berkshires in 1949 ( the biggest & heavyest ever), these were already under construction when he took charge of the company , The first thing he did was to cancel all but the 6 that were under construction

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27117	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 9/9/2003
Subject: Re: Dick Schlott/Florida S Gauging

on 9/9/03 4:32 PM, Jay E. Mellon at jmellon@... wrote: > If my memory serves me correctly from having recently done some reading > in the original S Gauge Herald, Dick was very active with a club called the > Deep South S Gaugers, based in Florida. In fact, he and the club originally > proposed the presentation of the now very prestigious Bernie Thomas Award > (early General Director of NASG) and administrated the award for a number of > years in the 60's and 70's (now done by NASG). Jay, Your memory serves you correctly. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27118	From: AF Gage	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Any S Train Members in So., California?

Hi, Does anyone know of any Members of S-Trains that live in Southern California, or of any Stores where I can go here in Southern California to buy items for my AF S Gauge Trains. Thank You, Ken --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27119	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Re: Any S Train Members in So., California?

**(((Hi, Does anyone know of any Members of S-Trains that live in Southern California, or of any Stores where I can go here in Southern California to buy items for my AF S Gauge Trains. Thank You, Ken )))*** Ken,..not sure WHAT part of So. Calif. you speak of,....so I'm guessing maybe the Los Angeles area. I'm further up north, but have picked up a few cards from train shows. K & R Lines-----415 Monroe Orange CA (714)538-8218 ------Not much Flyer, but older Plasticville. I have bought most of my Arttista "S" figures from them. NICE couple!! The Electric Train Co.----16206 Hawthorne Blvd. Lawndale CA (310)370-3839-----Had quite a bit of Flyer. I would certainly call first,..to make sure they are still there!! I haven't been to their stores, only saw them at trains shows further north of the L.A. area. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27120	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Re: Any S Train Members in So., California?

Hi Rick, The Electric Train Co. in Lawndale Is no longer there. If You go to the TTOS meets in Arcadia you can find the guys that owned it. Along with the owner from Classic toy trains in Rowland Hgts. (Plenty of Flyer) Also makes Solid rail track & switches. There is also a shop in N. Hollywood (near the Airport) That carries a lot of used Flyer at times. Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27121	From: knockbill	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: york

Hi guys Has anyone double booked, or have a room in York for the TCA meet that they don't need ?? I guess we waited a little late ,,, closest I could get is in Hanover ... Thanks John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27122	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Re: york

JOHN...CHECK THE RED ROOF INN AND THE DAYS INN...TRY DATES OCT 15 TO 19...IF YOU SAY A LITTLE LONGER THE RATES DROP AND MORE ROOMS ARE FOUND...RED ROOF SHOWS 80.00 ON ORBITZ...BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] york > Hi guys > Has anyone double booked, or have a room in York for the TCA meet > that they don't need ?? I guess we waited a little late ,,, closest I > could get is in Hanover ... > Thanks John > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27123	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: AF Track

I want to thank everyone who gave me the ideas to protect my track.I will give them a try. Thanks Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27124	From: G Nichol	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: 23780 Gabe and 374/5 GPs in shipping carton

Hi! I picked up a set of T&P GPs and a Gabe accessory and have a question. Did the 374/5 GPs originally come with the inserts for the side rails? The part numbers being C 3180. For pictures see http://NicksTrains.com and click on 23780 Gabe the Lamplighter* or 374 375 T&P GPs in Shipping Carton* under Newly Listed Items. Many thanks for your help! Greg www.NicksTrains.com _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27125	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Re: Getting NMRA Acceptance For NASG S Scale Track Gauge - Any Word?

Michael, thank you. Hopefully we are only a few months away from the hobby magazines offering approved gauges in N, HO, O and S! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27126	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2003
Subject: Re: Getting NMRA Acceptance For NASG S Scale Track Gauge - Any...

Excellent! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27127	From: becks_1950	Date: 9/11/2003
Subject: Bangzoom TT 5

Phil, Apparently both Doug and I prefer the version 3.0. It used Greenberg's price guides which included PlasticVille. V 4 wasn't as good and used TM's price guides. When I contacted them about the v4 problems, they worked with me but never resolved my issues. One suggestion was to offer my choice source for the price guides. They did, however, send me free the last price update disk for v3 (Greenberg). If you want a basic inventory of AF, $25 isn't that much. I really liked the ability to add digital pictures to my inventory listing; regardless of the version. My question to the group pertains to whether or not to upgrade to v5. I'm also surprised they haven't responded to the group. You might try contacting Dianne Lynch on your order at: dlynch@... -------Original Message------- From: waldootten Date: Thursday, September 11, 2003 13:33:17 Subject: Bang Zoom I have a huge AF collection and wanted the software to keep track of my acquisitions and for insurance purposes. I used a credit card to order the v5.0 back in January on their website. They never charged my card, I never got the software, never heard from them or got a response to several e-mails sent to inquire about it. I guess v5.0 was still being worked on, but from my perspective and experience, it is not a very professionally-run company. I'd still like the software, though -- if it works as good as they say. Doug Peck wasn't thrilled with the previous version, I guess, and it sounds like their support isn't very good, either. Phil K .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27128	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 9/11/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Bangzoom TT 5

ROBERT PERSING <boblines51@...> wrote:Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: ROBERT PERSING Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bangzoom TT 5 To: becks_1950 I will tell you this,I had 4.0 verson in my computor and all at once it quit working and a call to them did not help.Thet tried several times to help me,but nothing worked.I even tried reloading it but the whole program would not load.I even tried to load the first verson I have and that will not load.I thought if it would load then I would instal the later verson and update it.But neither verson I have will work,all the other programs I have work but theirs.They told me it must be my computor.. Bob becks_1950 <afmaven@...> wrote: Phil, Apparently both Doug and I prefer the version 3.0. It used Greenberg's price guides which included PlasticVille. V 4 wasn't as good and used TM's price guides. When I contacted them about the v4 problems, they worked with me but never resolved my issues. One suggestion was to offer my choice source for the price guides. They did, however, send me free the last price update disk for v3 (Greenberg). If you want a basic inventory of AF, $25 isn't that much. I really liked the ability to add digital pictures to my inventory listing; regardless of the version. My question to the group pertains to whether or not to upgrade to v5. I'm also surprised they haven't responded to the group. You might try contacting Dianne Lynch on your order at: dlynch@... -------Original Message------- From: waldootten Date: Thursday, September 11, 2003 13:33:17 Subject: Bang Zoom I have a huge AF collection and wanted the software to keep track of my acquisitions and for insurance purposes. I used a credit card to order the v5.0 back in January on their website. They never charged my card, I never got the software, never heard from them or got a response to several e-mails sent to inquire about it. I guess v5.0 was still being worked on, but from my perspective and experience, it is not a very professionally-run company. I'd still like the software, though -- if it works as good as they say. Doug Peck wasn't thrilled with the previous version, I guess, and it sounds like their support isn't very good, either. Phil K . S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27129	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: Re: Bangzoom TT 5

To be specific, it sounds like our problems with 4.0 were similar to others'. We have used TT for several years for appraisal purposes.....not so much for the values, but for the basic ease of inputting, sorting, and reporting the inventory of a collection. We would then "play" with the values which TT assigned, based on our own experience and instincts, to arrive at a final appraisal for the customer. For years, we used TT 3.0.....no problems, easy to use. Then 4.0 arrived on the scene, totally revamped. Much different format, not as easy to use, would not sort numerically (e.g, 21085 would come before 312, based on the first digit).....just a lot of difficulty using it. They had a free download of 4.01 which supposedly solved the sorting problem....but it didn't...at least not for me. I contacted Bangzoom....no success.....I contacted them again....."backup your file, and email us a copy of it".....I did....a week or more later, after I inquired again, they emailed me back a "corrected file".....I read it back into my files.........no difference at all. Not only couldn't I sort it numerically, I couldn't sort it at all! Frustration.....and as a dealer for their software, I let them know it! I have remaining inventory of 4.0, but I won't sell it....I won't even give it away.....either they take it back in exchange for 5.0, or I throw it away. What really surprises me is that of all the copies of 4.0 I sold, I never had anyone complain about it! Supposedly, "5.0 goes back to all the qualities and format of 3.0 that folks liked". If that's the case, it should be OK. It is also based on the TM Guide to AF instead of Greenberg, which I also think is a good move. I find the TM pricing to be far more realistic, for the most part. So.....we'll see. It may already "be available", but we have yet to see our shipment of them arrive! When it does, I intend to try it immediately, and if it isn't satisfactory, the whole shipment will go back to them the next day! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27130	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: New K-Line S Gauge Cars

Joe's Train Repair is pleased to offer the newest S gauge cars from K-Line as announced in their 2003 Second Edition Catalog. These cars, each listing at $19.95, including the new line of illuminated cabeese and depressed center flatcars with loads, are available at the early buy price of $17 plus shipping and handling. Early Buy pricing is available until September 26th. These are the new offerings: Catalog # Description List Early Buy K511-017 Reading S Gauge Boxcar $19.95 $17.00 K511-018 Union Pacific S Gauge Boxcar $19.95 $17.00 K511-019 Pure Oil S Gauge Tank Car $19.95 $17.00 K511-020 No. Pacific S Gauge Tank Car $19.95 $17.00 K511-021 Milwaukee Rd Depressed Center Flat Car w/front end loader $19.95 $17.00 K511-022 Chesapeake & Ohio Depressed Center Flat Car w/roller $19.95 $17.00 K511-023 PA RR Illuminated Caboose $19.95 $17.00 K511-024 So Pac Illuminated Caboose $19.95 $17.00 K511-025 Reading Illuminated Caboose $19.95 $17.00 K511-026 Milwaukee Rd Illum. Caboose $19.95 $17.00 To see pictures of these items, copy the complete URL below to your web browser: http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/browse_new_sub.cfm?prdsubtype=S%20Gauge%20Freight%20Cars&prdtype=2003%202nd%20Edition&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA90060B0576B82&fldID=A55D2D2C-89A8-11D4-ADAE0060B0576B82 Thank you, Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27131	From: salrwy1948	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: TrainTracker 4.0/4.1 my 2 cents worth

I have had serious problems with TT4.1 also. But first, to list in numeric sequence left click on the header for the catalog number column and a triangle should appear with the number 1 in it. The inventory should then be listed in numeric sequence. My biggest disaster with TT4.1 occurred when I attempted to move my inventory to another computer. Lost the entire inventory. AF and LGB. I thought I had made a back up using the backup/restore feature and when I went to recreate my inventory in the 2nd machine the feature would not work. So here I sit typing in the entire list and no LGB book. Sam "Sore Fingers" W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27132	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: Traintracker 5.0

I just got my copy of 5.0 in the mail this past week. Just like several have already mentioned, I had ordered this program back in the spring. However, they said it would probably be September before it was ready. Anyway, they did send it to me. I installed it & it took a while to update my 3.09 version to all the variations of the TM Price Guide. Now I have the update & it appears to work great. Hope this helps those of you that are unsure about this program. Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27133	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas Loco.........

Someone is looking for this.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3145699901&category=480 bob conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27134	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/12/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 14, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27135	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: passenger details

I'm told that Raiilmodel Journal carried aseries on uunderbody detailsfor passenger cars. Since I don't have access to that magaziine I hope someone can tell me whether the illustrations included any drawings. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27136	From: Ted Larson	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: trucks

If you want more highway truck modeling info, here is a source; http://pub19.ezboard.com/ftoytrucktalk164thscaletractortrailers -- Ted Larson http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html?tid=edmunds.a.landing.buying..4.*

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27137	From: Neil Becker	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Re: Bangzoom TT 5

Apparently they already have problems. This is clipped from their web site: We have program upgrades for individuals who have encountered certain problems with TrainTracker 5.0. PLEASE NOTE! These upgrades are not for everyone please review the symptoms of the problem to see if this is the problem you are encountering. If these are not the symptoms you are experiencing please do not hesitate to contact us via email or call us (800) 589-7333 so we can get on any problem you might be having. Update#01: Users are encountering an "Unable to map box condition" error during setup when converting from TrainTracker 4.0 to TrainTracker 5.0. Click here to view more details and the remedy for this problem. Update#02: Users are encountering a "List index out of bounds (-1)" error during setup when converting from TrainTracker 4.0 to TrainTracker 5.0. Click here to view more details and the remedy for this problem. Update#03: Users are encountering an "Unable to map id" error during setup when converting from TrainTracker 4.0 to TrainTracker 5.0. Click here to view more details and the remedy for this problem. Update#04: Users are encountering an "Error -193: primary key for table" error during setup when converting from TrainTracker 4.0 to TrainTracker 5.0 Click here to view more details and the remedy for this problem. Update#05: Users are encountering an "Could not initialize installation (CRC)" error when first installing TrainTracker 5.0. Click here to view more details and the remedy for this problem. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27138	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Loose logs....I hate that!

Just picked up a 928 log car from eBay, to run with my two 905's. Any suggestions on securing moving logs? A touch of white glue maybe? Would that be bad? Whatta ya think? Rick "loosin' my logs, but not my marbles" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27139	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Re: Loose logs....I hate that!

Rick....I hate to mess with Original stuff, BUT I DO!!!!. Glue will take away from the value...how about using toothpicks wedged between the logs to tighten them...leave enough to pull them out later....or maybe rubber cement.....It can be rubbed off later....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Loose logs....I hate that! > Just picked up a 928 log car from eBay, to run with my two 905's. > Any suggestions on securing moving logs? A touch of white glue maybe? > Would that be bad? > Whatta ya think? > > > Rick "loosin' my logs, but not my marbles" Evans. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27140	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Re: passenger details

RJ has had several articles on the subject, the best by V. Roseman (a former S scaler who now models in HO). While some of his articles have drawings, the most recent one was on weathering passenger models and it was excellent - worth backordering from RJ. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27141	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Christmas layout photos....

I hope Bill Lange doesn't mind my plug here,...but if you haven't checked out his photo album, you should! Very nice...his 2002 layout is great!! Although I am pulled to the simpler 2001 layout. I like the 'dog-bone'....I wish I had the room to do that on the floor! And there are photos of his current project. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun32 Thanks for sharing Bill!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27142	From: William Lange	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Christmas layout photos..

Thanks for the plug Rick! I know what you mean about the simpler 2001, when I looked at them side by side there was something more appealing about all that bright white! What really made the dogbone more fun last year was adding a semaphore with 2 - 697 track trips and running 2 trains at the same time. It was the Dept. 56 villages that got me back into trains. While researching some village websites I noted that S gauge trains were recommended for display with the Dickens set that we collect, and that reminded me of my 5323-T set that had packed away for years. Now I have a full time hobby! The 2002 layout was inspired by my wife. A local department store does a huge Dept 56 setup with lots of moss, trees and rockwork. This was our first attempt. We have many new ideas for the coming season, including better bench work. You can notice some sag to the back as the layout was up for awhile. Actually the better pictures are sitting in film can somewhere. The pix I posted were taken with a real low quality digital. When I find the film and get it developed I have some step by step pictures to show how it was put together. Thanks for the kind words, the people on this list have done a lot to make this hobby very enjoyable. I was just taking a break from cleaning up the basement to make more room for layout expansion and now I'm inspired to get that project moving! Thanks again, Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27143	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/13/2003
Subject: Re: TT 4.01

<<<<<But first, to list in numeric sequence left click on the header for the catalog number column and a triangle should appear with the number 1 in it. The inventory should then be listed in numeric sequence.>>>> Yes, I know it SAYS that will work, but it didn't work on mine! I even Uninstalled the program, and the re-installed it, and it still would not do so. The triangle flips, but the data doesn't change at all. Sent the entire file to Bangzoom, as requested. They "fixed it", sent it back to me, and it was NO different. So, all my comments and dissatisfaction with it stand. I do hope that your experiences with 5.0 turn out to be true, because as I previously stated, 3.0 was very satisfactory! I also find it rather frustrating that so many customers, all over the country, have received 5.0 from Bangzoom, while dealers have yet to lay eyes on it (and we're only 40 miles away from them......maybe I should just drive down there!) Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2004 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 8 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. RE: Bangzoom TT 5 From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> 2. New K-Line S Gauge Cars From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> 3. TrainTracker 4.0/4.1 my 2 cents worth From: "salrwy1948" <seaboard@...> 4. Traintracker 5.0 From: ruth.leahy@... 5. Re: Christmas Loco......... From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> 6. Reminder - Sunday Chat From: S-Trains 7. passenger details From: sigma@... 8. trucks From: Ted Larson <mhrreast@...> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:58:58 -0400 From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> Subject: RE: Bangzoom TT 5 To be specific, it sounds like our problems with 4.0 were similar to others'. We have used TT for several years for appraisal purposes.....not so much for the values, but for the basic ease of inputting, sorting, and reporting the inventory of a collection. We would then "play" with the values which TT assigned, based on our own experience and instincts, to arrive at a final appraisal for the customer. For years, we used TT 3.0.....no problems, easy to use. Then 4.0 arrived on the scene, totally revamped. Much different format, not as easy to use, would not sort numerically (e.g, 21085 would come before 312, based on the first digit).....just a lot of difficulty using it. They had a free download of 4.01 which supposedly solved the sorting problem....but it didn't...at least not for me. I contacted Bangzoom....no success.....I contacted them again....."backup your file, and email us a copy of it".....I did....a week or more later, after I inquired again, they emailed me back a "corrected file".....I read it back into my files.........no difference at all. Not only couldn't I sort it numerically, I couldn't sort it at all! Frustration.....and as a dealer for their software, I let them know it! I have remaining inventory of 4.0, but I won't sell it....I won't even give it away.....either they take it back in exchange for 5.0, or I throw it away. What really surprises me is that of all the copies of 4.0 I sold, I never had anyone complain about it! Supposedly, "5.0 goes back to all the qualities and format of 3.0 that folks liked". If that's the case, it should be OK. It is also based on the TM Guide to AF instead of Greenberg, which I also think is a good move. I find the TM pricing to be far more realistic, for the most part. So.....we'll see. It may already "be available", but we have yet to see our shipment of them arrive! When it does, I intend to try it immediately, and if it isn't satisfactory, the whole shipment will go back to them the next day! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: New K-Line S Gauge Cars Joe's Train Repair is pleased to offer the newest S gauge cars from K-Line as announced in their 2003 Second Edition Catalog. These cars, each listing at $19.95, including the new line of illuminated cabeese and depressed center flatcars with loads, are available at the early buy price of $17 plus shipping and handling. Early Buy pricing is available until September 26th. These are the new offerings: Catalog # Description List Early Buy K511-017 Reading S Gauge Boxcar $19.95 $17.00 K511-018 Union Pacific S Gauge Boxcar $19.95 $17.00 K511-019 Pure Oil S Gauge Tank Car $19.95 $17.00 K511-020 No. Pacific S Gauge Tank Car $19.95 $17.00 K511-021 Milwaukee Rd Depressed Center Flat Car w/front end loader $19.95 $17.00 K511-022 Chesapeake & Ohio Depressed Center Flat Car w/roller $19.95 $17.00 K511-023 PA RR Illuminated Caboose $19.95 $17.00 K511-024 So Pac Illuminated Caboose $19.95 $17.00 K511-025 Reading Illuminated Caboose $19.95 $17.00 K511-026 Milwaukee Rd Illum. Caboose $19.95 $17.00 To see pictures of these items, copy the complete URL below to your web browser: http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/browse_new_sub.cfm?prdsubtype=S%20Gauge %20Freight%20Cars&prdtype=2003%202nd%20Edition&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA9 0060B0576B82&fldID=A55D2D2C-89A8-11D4-ADAE0060B0576B82 Thank you, Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:47:56 -0000 From: "salrwy1948" <seaboard@...> Subject: TrainTracker 4.0/4.1 my 2 cents worth I have had serious problems with TT4.1 also. But first, to list in numeric sequence left click on the header for the catalog number column and a triangle should appear with the number 1 in it. The inventory should then be listed in numeric sequence. My biggest disaster with TT4.1 occurred when I attempted to move my inventory to another computer. Lost the entire inventory. AF and LGB. I thought I had made a back up using the backup/restore feature and when I went to recreate my inventory in the 2nd machine the feature would not work. So here I sit typing in the entire list and no LGB book. Sam "Sore Fingers" W. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:24:29 -0600 From: ruth.leahy@... Subject: Traintracker 5.0 I just got my copy of 5.0 in the mail this past week. Just like several have already mentioned, I had ordered this program back in the spring. However, they said it would probably be September before it was ready. Anyway, they did send it to me. I installed it & it took a while to update my 3.09 version to all the variations of the TM Price Guide. Now I have the update & it appears to work great. Hope this helps those of you that are unsure about this program. Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO.) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:09:22 -0400 From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: Christmas Loco......... Someone is looking for this.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3145699901&category=480 bob conner ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: 13 Sep 2003 00:04:00 -0000 From: S-Trains Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 14, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 05:32:41 -0600 (MDT) From: sigma@... Subject: passenger details I'm told that Raiilmodel Journal carried aseries on uunderbody detailsfor passenger cars. Since I don't have access to that magaziine I hope someone can tell me whether the illustrations included any drawings. Joe Pereira email: sigma@... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:28:08 -0400 From: Ted Larson <mhrreast@...> Subject: trucks If you want more highway truck modeling info, here is a source; http://pub19.ezboard.com/ftoytrucktalk164thscaletractortrailers -- Ted Larson http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html?tid=edmunds .a.landing.buying..4.* ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27144	From: ROGER FORST	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Track Layout

What software for designing an AF Layout is available? It should be fairly easy and show the layout as AF Track. I purchased one a few years ago but was not satisfied.............Thanks, Roger --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27145	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Track Layout Software

Would be interested in whether software also include AM and SHS track? I [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27146	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Re: Track Layout Software

Paul, RR-Track, includes American Flyer, American Models, Gargraves and S-Helper track. It also gives you the ability to make custom sizes for fit pieces. See link below. http://www.rrtrack.com/html/af-am-gg-strax_s.html Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul4Schil@a... wrote: > Would be interested in whether software also include AM and SHS track? I > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27147	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Bangzoom

Does anybody know of another inventory program I can buy insted of Bangzoom.I have 3.8 and the 4.0 neither of which will load in my machine.I even reinstaled windows in my computor because Bangzoom said it was my problem but this did not help and with the problems they are having with 5.0 I am not going to by it and waste my money. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27148	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Re: Track Layout Software

Has anyone in S used this software? It looks to have some real possibilities. I am looking to buy a house that has an attached garage. I don't like attached garages because of the possibility of car fires and and that we seem to store all of the lawn care equipment and fuel there. I will build one a short distance from the house. At that time I will convert the existing garage into a Train room. ----- Original Message ----- From: "lou342ac" <lou342ac@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:40 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Track Layout Software > Paul, > RR-Track, includes American Flyer, American Models, Gargraves > and S-Helper track. It also gives you the ability to make custom > sizes for fit pieces. See link below. > > http://www.rrtrack.com/html/af-am-gg-strax_s.html > > Lou Baldi > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul4Schil@a... wrote: > > Would be interested in whether software also include AM and SHS > track? I > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27149	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: loose logs

Elmers white glue will wash off with warm water,but will hold the logs. Bob --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27150	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: New Catalog Online!

It has been a while, but we now have another new Gilbert Flyer catalog online. This one is number D2239 from 1961/62, and has both S and HO content. Thanks to Paul Barber for providing the scans! http://myflyertrains.org Enjoy...Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27151	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 14, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27152	From: William Lange	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Christmas layout photos..

Roy, The portals are M.T.H. Rail King part #40-9014. They come two to a pack. They are for O gauge and I had inended to cut them down a bit, but never got around to it. Glad you enjoyed the photos! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Roy Inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:08 AM To: William Lange Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas layout photos.. on 9/13/03 9:03 PM, William Lange at blange3@... wrote: > I was just taking a break from cleaning > up the basement to make more room for layout expansion and now I'm > inspired to get that project moving! Hi Bill, I too enjoyed your layout photos! Many thanks for making them available for all of us to view. If you don't mind, I would like to know what tunnel portals you are using and where you got them. Need four to complete my modular layout project. No one around here handles much in the way of S, and it is kind of difficult to tell in a catalog how something like a portal looks on a layout. I really like the looks of the ones you used. And the photos also inspired me to get cranking on building my holiday layout. Cheers :) Roy Inman Lenexa, KS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27153	From: TCS	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: new url for oddballs decals

http://www.oddballsdecals.org Since I had to get more space for my web site, the place where my web site is hosted, gave me a new url. All the others work also, this one is easyer to remember. Plus now I can drop the url from Name Secure which is http://www.oddballsdecals.com Tom Stolte

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27154	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2005

Went to the Big Hobby show in Chicago. The K-line people said the Big Boy would definitely NOT be in S-scale. Too much money to tool the drive train for the number of expected sales. John Griffin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27155	From: waldootten	Date: 9/14/2003
Subject: A positive report on GATS show in Chicago

What seems to be a good sign was that there appeared to be a lot more S for sale at the DuPage Fairgrounds in Wheaton this morning than in previous shows. A lot of highly collectible and rare Flyer, a lot of operating-type stuff and a lot of new S-Helper and AM stuff, too. Although a regular attendee, I haven't been to this show in four months due to my work load, but I'd guess there was twice as much S for sale as I've seen before in the four buildings. One of the vendors was selling NIB SHS GG-1s for $275 and no sales tax. He originally had them at $325, but said his order delivery was very late and most of his customers had bought one somewhere else already and he wanted to get rid of them. I also bought four of the new K Line S rail cars for about $14.50 each after they were discounted for me. They were originally priced at $16 each. Supposedly the K Line and Lionel reps were at the Midwest TCA semi- annual Big Meet on Saturday morning. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27156	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/15/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2005

Loose logs: Use Plasti-tak a reusable adhesive. looks like a white clay, works with Plastic Villages, any thing you want to secure, then later take down. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27157	From: Al Galli	Date: 9/15/2003
Subject: inventory software

> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 9 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Bangzoom > From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@...> > 2. Re: Re: Track Layout Software > From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> > 3. loose logs > From: ROBERT PERSING <boblines51@...> > 4. New Catalog Online! > From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> > 5. Reminder - Sunday Chat > From: S-Trains > 6. FW: Christmas layout photos.. > From: "William Lange" <blange3@...> > 7. new url for oddballs decals > From: "TCS" <mopac@...> > 8. Re: Digest Number 2005 > From: rxman46321@... > 9. A positive report on GATS show in Chicago > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ Bob My friend and namesake Lou Galli produces a nice package. You can get info at www.MITrains.com. Haven't heard anybody complain about needing fixes. Al Galli > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:02:10 -0000 > From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@...> > Subject: Bangzoom > > Does anybody know of another inventory program I can buy insted of > Bangzoom.I have 3.8 and the 4.0 neither of which will load in my > machine.I even reinstaled windows in my computor because Bangzoom > said it was my problem but this did not help and with the problems > they are having with 5.0 I am not going to by it and waste my money. > Bob > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27158	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: flat car load tie downs

I sometimes make tie downs for flat car loads from short pieces of elastic thread with a small hook made of thin brass wire attached to each end. I run each tie down under the flat car body and around the load, and hook the hooks together. No glue, no mess, no damage to collectible cars. Looks kind of industrial, too. Elastic thread can be found in sewing notions stores. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27159	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Dollar Store items

I bought a pair of street lights, a pair of fern trees and a flasher all for $1 each. They have 2 styles of street light pairs and a single 3 light lamp post. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27160	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: SHS GG1

Oh boy! SHS has a GG1! Wow wow wow! Do Robin, Don, and Ron know about this? Is it compatible with the American Models GG1? (Just pulling your chain. We have all done such typos. ;-) Have a great day, Thorin Message: 9 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:47:13 -0000 From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> Subject: A positive report on GATS show in Chicago <snip> One of the vendors was selling NIB SHS GG-1s for $275 and no sales tax. <snip> Phil K [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27161	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Re: inventory software

Looks like a great package.Only one problem, NO flyer catalog or price list. John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Al Galli <agalli@b...> wrote: > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ > > > > There are 9 messages in this issue. > > > > Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Bangzoom > > From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@y...> > > 2. Re: Re: Track Layout Software > > From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> > > 3. loose logs > > From: ROBERT PERSING <boblines51@y...> > > 4. New Catalog Online! > > From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> > > 5. Reminder - Sunday Chat > > From: S-Trains > > 6. FW: Christmas layout photos.. > > From: "William Lange" <blange3@c...> > > 7. new url for oddballs decals > > From: "TCS" <mopac@l...> > > 8. Re: Digest Number 2005 > > From: rxman46321@a... > > 9. A positive report on GATS show in Chicago > > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > Bob > > My friend and namesake Lou Galli produces a nice package. You can get info > at www.MITrains.com. Haven't heard anybody complain about needing > fixes. > > > Al Galli > > > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:02:10 -0000 > > From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@y...> > > Subject: Bangzoom > > > > Does anybody know of another inventory program I can buy insted of > > Bangzoom.I have 3.8 and the 4.0 neither of which will load in my > > machine.I even reinstaled windows in my computor because Bangzoom > > said it was my problem but this did not help and with the problems > > they are having with 5.0 I am not going to by it and waste my money. > > Bob > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27162	From: waldootten	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Re: SHS GG1

> Oh boy! SHS has a GG1! Wow wow wow! Do Robin, Don, and Ron know about this? > > Is it compatible with the American Models GG1? > > (Just pulling your chain. We have all done such typos. ;-) > > Have a great day, > Thorin > > One of the vendors was selling NIB SHS GG-1s for $275 and no sales > tax. > > Phil K > _______________________________________________________________ So I guess that means they're pretty rare, huh? ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27163	From: theheadliner@topeka.net	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Re: Dollar Store items

Which Dollar Store, there are several with that in their name Jerry You wrote: > From: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, S Scale group <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:27:43 -0700 (PDT) > > Subject: [S-Trains] Dollar Store items > > > > I bought a pair of street lights, a pair of fern trees > and a flasher all for $1 each. They have 2 styles of > street light pairs and a single 3 light lamp post. > > Jim Sleeth > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _____________________________________________________________ Get your FREE Topeka e-mail address at http://cjonline.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27164	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: SnS Trains E-mail

We won't be answering E-mails in this screenname or in SnSTrains@... name for the next week. We are going to Colorado and New Mexico to ride some steam trains starting tomorrow the 17th. Thanks Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27165	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Re: SnS Trains E-mail

--- boss31@... scrawled: > We won't be answering E-mails in this screenname or > in SnSTrains@... name > for the next week. We are going to Colorado and New > Mexico to ride some steam > trains starting tomorrow the 17th. > > Thanks > > Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains > Specializing in: > Can motor conversions for AF > S-Gauge Railroading Videos. > http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ > > Please bring back some pictures of Chama!! ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27166	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Re: Dollar Store items

All Dollar Stores have different items, per say, since they buy distress merchandise. No time stores will be alike, even if it is the same "chain" of store name. So it will be hit and miss getting these items in any store. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: <theheadliner@...> To: <aztecfan@...> Cc: <aztecfan@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <SScalegroups-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dollar Store items > Which Dollar Store, there are several with that in their name > > Jerry > > > You wrote: > > > From: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> > > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com, S Scale group > <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:27:43 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Dollar Store items > > > > > > > > I bought a pair of street lights, a pair of fern trees > > and a flasher all for $1 each. They have 2 styles of > > street light pairs and a single 3 light lamp post. > > > > Jim Sleeth > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE Topeka e-mail address at http://cjonline.com > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27167	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 9/16/2003
Subject: Looks like a really great Fall S-Fest (10/31-11/2) in St Louis

Still some discount hotel rooms left. Dealer tables, Banquet tickets going fast. Get your reservations in now before its too late. Just a sample of some of the attending Vendors: American Models SHS Lionel River Raison Models Southwind Models Port Lines Hobby Supply Scenery Unlimited The Train Collector John Heck AND MANY MORE! PLUS.................... Many workshops, train races, model show, some great St. Louis Layout tours PLUS EVENTS PLANNED FOR SPOUSES AND KIDS It's one of the world's largest gatherings of S-Gauge enthusiasts, manufacturers, and suppliers. For hotel or registration information, visit <A HREF="www.trainweb.org/afsgsla">www.trainweb.org/afsgsla</A>, or write David Stevens, 8 Castle Dr., Florissant, MO  63034-1301. Please feel free to email me at JNR59@... if you have any questions or wish to place reservations ($ must follow).   Look forward to seeing you at this must attend event! Jack Riely Chairman, Dealer/Manufacturers Committee, 2003 Fall S Fest Yahoo Scale and Hi Rail Group member P.S. If you are a dealer, vendor or manuafacturer and inquiring regarding a table or other arrangement, please feel free to call me directly at (636) 561-4670. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27168	From: ironmonstor	Date: 9/17/2003
Subject: Single Point Switches

Transit Classic Switches match Richard Orr Rail. I uploaded a file showing (LEFT) Transit Classics and (RIGHT) Right O Way Single Point O Scale Swithches. This could be an option for S Scale Traction Modelers. Jeff Horn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27169	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/17/2003
Subject: automatic delay circuits

Has anyone on this list built a delay circuit that stops a train at a station or in a tunnel for a while and then starts it up again, using a thermisistor, a NE555 IC, an old Lionel (sorry, DD) thermal delay relay, or anything else? Or to get really fancy, a delay circuit that stops a train every OTHER time around the track, or every 4 times around the track, or every few minutes, or whatever? (I had a friend who built such a circuit for a department store display layout out of an old dial telephone mechanism, so the locos wouldn't overheat, but I forget how he did it. And that stuff is much easier with 3 rail anyway.) Has anyone found a practical application for a thermisistor on a Flyer layout? How about for the 555? I am kind of getting interested in these as topics of discussion, possible Roundhouse columns, or even construction projects. Or, I may just be losing it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27170	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Fwd: Yorkin with Clem

Just thought I would pass this on to you guys. If its your first visit to York it should help greatly. Clem is a good friend and has been a great asset to the TCA. See you at York. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27171	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits

Gee Tom, even if you could remember, where would you get dial telephones? Most kids today haven't even seen one. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... Sent: Sep 17, 2003 9:36 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] automatic delay circuits Has anyone on this list built a delay circuit that stops a train at a station or in a tunnel for a while and then starts it up again, using a thermisistor, a NE555 IC, an old Lionel (sorry, DD) thermal delay relay, or anything else? Or to get really fancy, a delay circuit that stops a train every OTHER time around the track, or every 4 times around the track, or every few minutes, or whatever? (I had a friend who built such a circuit for a department store display layout out of an old dial telephone mechanism, so the locos wouldn't overheat, but I forget how he did it. And that stuff is much easier with 3 rail anyway.) Has anyone found a practical application for a thermisistor on a Flyer layout? How about for the 555? I am kind of getting interested in these as topics of discussion, possible Roundhouse columns, or even construction projects. Or, I may just be losing it. Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27172	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits

Tom, Roger, try the Grainger catalog. I believe they sell delay relays. Also any large relay source might carry them also. I think they (the delay relay) is used in air condoning circuits. Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27173	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits

Tom, Roger, try the Grainger catalog. I believe they sell delay relays. Also any large relay source might carry them also. I think they (the delay relay) is used in air conditioning circuits. Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27174	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits

Gentlemen I sell time delay relays here at my office. Let me know what voltage and I might be able to help. I also just got my new website up and I would appreciate any and all that visit to send me your comments Thanks DeWayne anormal1@... wrote: Tom, Roger, try the Grainger catalog. I believe they sell delay relays. Also any large relay source might carry them also. I think they (the delay relay) is used in air conditioning circuits. Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27175	From: doug_cnw	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: American Models and SHS track

Has anyone connected American Models track to SHS's sectional S- Trax? I use SHS's track extensively and am interested in the new 30 & 75 degree crossings that American Models announced. Wondering how difficult it would be to connect the two different tracks (code 148 and code 125) together.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27176	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits

DeWayne, what is your web site address? Mike S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27177	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: New Website

Hey all, I would like for you to visit my new website. Please note that it is still under construction. www.hcmtoys.com Let me know what you think Thanks D. J. Harrison --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27178	From: Hall G	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: cheap auto station stop simple

If you are running 2 trains on a layout there is a very simple and cheap way to have one train stop at a station at a time. Build yourself a figure 8 or something that gives a good run for 2 trains. You will need to insulate one rail for the length of the power pickup wheelbase on your engines + a little bit so it can coast to a stop when it comes into the deadblock before it hits the power rail again. Now figure out where the other engine will be running and where a good point for this 2nd engine is to trip the stationary engine back into action. On a good long straight track get your self a long piece of good conductive metal, and set it next to the rail with something perhaps a strip of electrical tape so it will not rub the rail or contact the ties, attach a wire to this metal to the dead rail at your station stop location (make sure the same polarity rail). You can use foam tape underneath this works well. You want to postion this so that when the 2nd train is running along the wheels will push down and make contact with the metal strip this will transfer power from the train track this train is running on to the dead power rail for your engine stopped at the station. Make sure that your power supply rail/metal contact is long enough to get enough power to get the stopped train started and into the powered track again. It should be remembered this will wear out your train if you are running something with a worm gear that will not coast for a bit when power is cut. Recommend that you keep the power down so you are not running trains at full power on and off all the time. I set a layout up like this for the Christmas tree with a figure 8. 1st train comes and stops at station just before a X crossing. The other train is running does a loop through a tunnel covered in white cotton snow stuff and comes out of tunnel right at the X crossing as the caboose passes the X there is a power pickup that the 2nd train trips which starts the 1st train and then the 2nd engine comes to rest at the station. It made for much better animation then simply a train running around in loop. Everyone when they first saw it thought the trains would crash. Good fun cheap and simple to do without electronics or any real cost. GH __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27179	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Delay circuits

Afternoon, Most of the time delays in air conditioning controls, delay on start up if the main poser has been shut off, some are fixed amounts of time, some are adjustable from a second or two to 5 minutes then they come on, if the power supply is broken they will funcition again. Electric furnace relays sequence on and off, sometime they will drop out real fast on the heat strips and allow the fan to continue for 39 to 90 seconds to cool the elements down. There is nothing really automatic on these, they could be used to control power to a certain section of track that might cause the train to stop at the same place each time and so on, but something needs to cause the sequence in them, they won't just do it over again without someone doing something. Would seem that most of what has been talked about is more like a timer or a cam sort of switch that would come on and stay x amount time and go off...like a washer or dishwasher control, or a sign controller that would operate in a sequence for lights going on and off and other lights coming on and then off....something like that would control a piece of track and allow a train to stop in a dead spot and then move when the sequence to power that section came around again. Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27180	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Re: Delay circuits

Hi Gale, How about using a track trip to trip the relay. It would have to use low voltage for the relay coil. Mike S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27181	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Yorkin with Clem

For some reason I could not forward Clem's message on York. So I have asked him to email it to the group. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27182	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Primer for York

Thought I would send this out to the group, it should be a big help to all including those who have not attended York before. Harwood > > > Clem's York Primer > > Friday, April 25, 2003 > > >   > > > YORK TRAIN MEET MADE EASY > > The dates for the total York week train extravaganza this fall are October > 13-18, 2003 inclusive. All show activities are in and around York, Pa. The > York Fairgrounds (TCA) trading portion of the week is on October 17-18, 2003. > The National Toy Train (TCA) museum in nearby Strasburg, Pa. is available all > week. > > SPECIAL NOTES: > > 0.) The new ORANGE HALL will be open. This is the dealer’s hall and is huge > and very well appointed. You just gotta see it. We will have moved all the > dealers into the new Orange (Toyota) Hall. We will close the Green, Gold, > Yellow and Purple Halls. The Black Hall is on standby if we need an overflow from > the Orange Hall. The Orange Hall is fully air conditioned, well lit and sound > insulated inside. Toward the Blue Hall is an entire row on handicapped > parking spaces. The promenade contains a large concession standard surrounded by > table and chairs. The food stand will be open 8 AM-6 PM Friday and 8 AM-2 PM > on Saturday. Two sets of rest rooms are available, the west side of which is > open 24/7 and includes coin-op showers. This is massive upgrade for the > Fairgrounds and will be a huge indescribably exciting building of trains for us.  > > 1). At 8:55 am on Friday I will take the mike and ask all to join me in a > moment of silence for those who have gone before and for all those men and > women in uniform and civilian clothes fighting for our country. This will be > followed by our National Anthem. The meet then be opened. > > 2). In my view, this York is much more than a train show. It is about the > gathering of families, friends and acquaintances. The world has been thru > unspeakable horrors and as the fighting continues overseas and our money struggles > deepen here at home, we need to reassure each other of our strength and that > we are there for each other. This wonderful hobby can/will give is all great > support. If I had my way, the official greeting at York would be a hug. > America hugs > > 3). The US Post Office has agreed to have a portable booth set up at York > this time to accept, wrap and mail trains for us. I think this will be a great > convenience for many of you. The location again, will be under cover in the > entranceway to the Blue/Silver halls. Our Post office contact is Erin > Fitzgerald at 717-848-2717. The hours at the Fair ground are Friday, 10:00 AM-5:00 PM > and Saturday, 10:00 - 2 PM. (Remember Uncle Clem's secret plan: Mail your > expensive goodies to your office so that when you are inspected by your > significant other, you are clean.) > > 4). There will be not premeet auction this fall. > > 5). There is an ATM on the fairgrounds. It is behind the Red and White Halls > on the entrance road in a shack all by itself. > > 6). Road construction continues on many roads leading to York and around > Lancaster so plan for it. Allow plenty of time to go/from to the Museum. > Pennsylvania Department Of Transportation web site is: <A HREF="http://www.penndot8.com/">HTTP://WWW.PENNDOT8.COM/</A> This > will give you the most current construction info. > > From Scott Arber: CONSTRUCTION: > > U.S.30 in East York between Mt Zion and Memory Lane > > exits, both directions, all lanes. Penn Dot is doing bridgework. There are > no real delays but lane changes are abrupt. > >   > > I83 Between Leaders Heights (old exit #4) and Queen > > Street (old exit #6), They are taking out “deadmans > > curve” at old exit#5, George Street Again, both ways > > with no real delays, but look for lane changes. > >   > > Watch your speed, these are heavily patrolled. Also, > > remember Pennsy’s new law – Lights on in all active construction zones.  > Also, fines are doubled in construction zones. There’s no reason to give > hard-earned train money to the state if you can help it. > >   > > The west end of West Manchester Mall (across from the > > Holiday Inn) up to Hecht’s is being gobbled up by > > Wal-Mart. A complete demo and re-build while > > everything is open. That end is a mess. Most of the > > lay down area is fenced in but some is wide open to > > the parking lot. Most is away from the parking used > > for the Holiday Inn meet but be on your guard anyway. > > If you must go to Wal-Mart use the perimeter road, > > then go into the parking lane you want. Driving in > > front of the store has become a nightmare. And no, you > > can’t enter the Mall from Wal-Mart, or vise versa. It just an’t there no > more > > 7.) Pre-Register even if you aren't sure you can come to York. This will > preclude you standing in the long registration line. Guests cannot register in > advance. > > 8.) Read your York Meet Notice thoroughly. It is the official document > providing guidance for this event. There are many special events this year. Don't > miss 'em. Bring your meet notice with you as reference. This time the entire > meet notice is on our web page. <A HREF="http://www.toytrains.info/news.asp?t=primer">http://www.ToyTrains.info/news.asp?t=primer</A> > Why not copy it and bring it with you? > > 9.) Cellular Phones may be carried, but not used in any of the halls. No > cameras either. > > 10.) Thursday TCA Museum Events will be super-Be There! > > 11.) Table holders can unpack Friday/Saturday morning 8:30AM-8:50 AM in the > member halls. > > 12.) KIDS KORNER @ TCA YORK > > The WB&A Chapter will again bring Kid’s Korner @ York to the open space > between the Blue and Silver Halls. Please plan to visit it and stay and play. WB& > A is a very active Chapter and conducts the 2 meets each year near Baltimore > as well as 2 mini meets. WB&A is Eastern Division's only Chapter and this is > part of their contribution to supporting the Division's York Meet. Jim and > Nan Kronz and Pete and Mary Jackson are managing Kids Korner. Please stop by > and see them and thank them for their incredible work. There will be ride 'em > trains that will circle the perimeter of the area. There will also be small > train loops. I will bring the famous windup layout that has received so much > play time at the annual Fairfax Station Christmas show. All these trains will > need playing with! Loans/donations will be welcome as well. The Kid's Korner @ > York will be open throughout the York show, Friday 10:00 AM till 4:00 PM, > and Saturday. 9:00 AM till 12:00 PM. Bring your kid (Age 0-110) and join in. > There ain't no age limit. There will be lots to do. Track to assemble (probably > plastic type), trains to run on the rug, windups to run, sharing concepts to > learn, teaching to be done and learning and fun for all. Just holding a > train car may be super fun for some little tikes and isn't that grand. We will > have a box of chalk so the kids can draw houses and people. We do ask that you > not leave your kids alone here. We are not a nursery. I have found in my > experiences, that the adult that who gets down flat with the kids and > learns/watches/ helps the play activity, gets, by far, the most enjoyment (oh, and it is > OK if Grampa gets down flat too and plays, if he wishes.) The kids get to > learn to share, help each other, lead and follow and function in a group in > order to have the most fun and make the trains do. Photos may be taken in this > area. We are seeking volunteers to help make this activity a success. > > The Kids Korner @ York snack donators are: > > Joan Stauffer; Stauffer Biscuit Company; 375 South Belmont Street, York, PA > 17403 > > Chris Long; Snyder's of Hanover; 1250 York Street, Hanover, PA 17331 > > COME AND PLAY TRAINS WITH US AT YORK > > 13). We continue to seek new volunteers to help with the York Show. Thursday > at 5:30 PM there will be a briefing at the registration desk for those who > can help us. This show requires a huge amount of members to make it happen. > Please volunteer-It is your show. > > 14). City of York and cell phones. The City of York voted to repeal their > ordinance regarding the use of cell phones while driving. (They would have lost > funding from the State for road repair.) HOWEVER — You can still get a > ticket for reckless driving while conversing on your cell phone. From Ron Morris > (Ron again confirms he will not be singing) > > 15). There are shopping tours Friday, but no tour to Lancaster outlets. > > 16). UPS has an office on 2180 White Street. York. That is just past the > Fairgrounds on Carlisle Road (Route 74) to the left at the Burger King. > > 17). Traffic at the Carlisle Gate can be horrendous. Please be careful. I > recommend you don’t use that entrance. Go to the far end of the fairground. > That gate is always open and you can turn left or right easily. Gate 6 will be > opened as will gate 8A. > > 18). You can get York weather info at <A HREF="http://www.wxusa.com/PA/">http://www. wxusa.com/PA/</A> > > 19). The $1 tax apply to only "dealers" in the Dealer halls. Not to > individual members who have tables. The York registration package wasn't too clear. > > 20). The TCA Internet Committee will have a table near the Registration area > in the Silver Hall on Friday and Saturday. > > 21). OGR is hosting a bus tour emanating form the gate 6 area to the Weaver > manufacturing facility on Thursday. Contact George Seil at the Ohio office  > (800-980-6477) for details. > > TRAVEL DIRECTIONS > > To get to the York area, I travel to the Baltimore loop and then go up 83 > North. Then take 83 (hard right turn) around York to Route 30 and exit. If you > are going directly from the Washington area to the fairground, take 83 > Business (from George Street) right onto Market, left onto Duke and then left on > Philadelphia St., then right on Carlisle St. to Fairground on left. An > alternate route from the Washington area is to take Route 15 North to 30 East to > York, then Route 74(Carlisle St.) south to Fairgrounds. If you come route 30 from > the West, New Oxford is a neat town to visit with lots of antiques. > > As an alternate, heading northbound on I-83 from Baltimore, as you near > York, exit on Business 83N. Within a few blocks, you'll see a "FAIRGROUNDS" sign > that will direct you to make a left turn on "Country Club Road". Stay on this > road and you will see another sign that will direct you to make a right turn > onto "Richland Ave.". You'll soon come to the intersection at Market St. > where you make a left turn. The Fairgrounds is only a block away on your right. > > Route 30 brings you in from East or West and Route 83 from the North. > > (from the North/Northeast:) > > I leave New York via the New Jersey Turnpike, south to Exit 6, the Pennsy > Turnpike extension (276) which becomes the Pennsy Pike, (76). The exit is #21, > Route 222, which takes you south and west to Route 30. Continue West on 30. > You can pick up Clem's directions from there. (Chris Zizzo) > > (The Bus) > > If you don't want to drive and you hail from New York City, Long Island or > New Jersey, there is a TCA Show bus which will take you to York, get you to > breakfast locally (at your cost, but cheap) and bring you home with an > included, all you can eat buffet on the way. It all happens on Friday ONLY and gives > you one big day to cruise the official fairgrounds show. Cost is $53 from NY, > $48 from NJ. Call Lester at 1(631)587-5183 or Carmelo at 1(631)666-6855 to > reserve. Pick up points are located in shopping centers with all-day parking > included. Sleep on the way down (bring your own pillow). Usually, on the > return, there is a movie on board. They run train tapes (I Love Toy Trains and > other stuff.) You could bring your own favorites! Rent a movie like Runaway > Train or Silver Streak and bring it along. Lot's of good camaraderie aboard. I've > done it 3 or 4 times and it's great to not drive. (Chris Zizzo) > > TRAIN SHOWS > > There are four different train shows held on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and > Thursday prior to the TCA meet at the York Fairgrounds on Friday and > Saturday. These are at the Billy Budd Holiday Inn at the confluence of Route 30 and > Interstate 83 (334 Arsenal Road.), at the Best Western Motel just off of Route > 30 (1415 Kenneth Road), at the Holiday Inn Holidome at West Manchester Mall > north of Route 30 on Carlisle Road (1400 Loucks Road), and at the Reliance > Fire Hall on 1341 W. Market Street. Entrance to these meets is free and not > restricted to TCA members. > > The Holiday Inn at the confluence of Route 30 and I-83 is known as the Billy > Budd Holiday Inn (for some reason we all call it the Billy Budd, but there > is no sign up to that effect.) When you exit off of I-83 onto Route 30 going > East, make a right at the next intersection (Arsenal Road) and the Billy Budd > is on your left. The train meet is held outside in the parking lot, inside > the main meeting room, and across the street on private lawns. Also, many of > the guests display their trains inside their rooms. > > From the Billy Budd, if you go back West on Route 30 you will pass several > traffic lights and blocks of stores and restaurants and then come to a traffic > light with an Olive Garden Restaurant on the left. If you make a right turn > at that light, you will come to a Best Western Motel within a half a block > (1415 Kenneth Road). This property has a local train show Wednesday and > Thursday inside and outside in the parking lot. > > The Holidome can be reached two ways. If you turned right at the Olive > Garden to get to the Best Western, you should continue North and turn left at the > next light onto Loucks Road. This will take you to the back of the Holidrome > in two long blocks. You can also reach the Holidome by continuing West on > Route 30 and exiting right on Route 74 (Carlisle Rd.), turning right at the next > light, and then left onto the Holiday Inn back driveway. The train meet is > held in part of the parking lot that surrounds the Holidome and inside the > main banquet room. Parking is now controlled at the Holidrome and you may be > required to park in the West Manchester shopping center parking lot about two > blocks away and walk. > > If you exit the Holidome and turn left on Route 74 and travel towards York a > mile or so, crossing under Route 30, you come to the York Interstate > Fairgrounds on your right. This is where all the action is Friday and Saturday. No > trading Wednesday or Thursday (There are meetings on Thursday. Read your meet > notice.) > > To reach the Reliance Fire Hall, you need to go the Market Street side of > the Fairgrounds and go west just past the fairgrounds to 1341 W. Market St. If > you come down Route 74, you can turn right before the Fairgrounds and cut > over to Market Street and turn left. > > ACCOMODATIONS: > > Hotels are tough to find space in during the York week. Plan early. > Sometimes you can find rooms at the last minute North of Harrisburg. > > Contact the York County Convention & Visitors Bureau for Bed & Breakfast > referrals. CALL Laura Bookwalter: 1-888- 858-YORK or <A HREF="http://www.yorkpa.org/">http://www.yorkpa.org/</A>. > > TOURING > > <A HREF="http://www.yorkpa.org/">York County's Web site</A> has a tour map and more on Factory tours. It's > something visitors will enjoy especially if they're looking for fun things to do > during the week. Harley no longer has a museum. It has been replaced with a > great display on how the Harley is made and a video which is usually shown > before a group takes the plant tour. Plant Tours are Mon-Fri btw. hours of 9AM - > 2PM. One other museum in York that might interest some people is the > industrial and agricultural museum on Pershing Ave. York had many interesting > factories including car manufacturers. I haven't been to the police museum yet. The > fire museum has limited hours. The fire museum just joined the trust that > includes the other museums to make them more visible and help with getting grants > (this will also help their hours). It is located in an old station up the > street from the fairgrounds at the intersection of Carlisle and Market streets > and is manned by volunteers, mostly firefighters. All of the stations in York > County donated items to be used in the museum. The displays are rotated and > they are restoring a few old pieces of apparatus. Thanks to Gene Anstine, > Chief, Glen Rock Hose & Ladder Co. "Change your clock, change your battery" > > RESTAURANTS > > Chapps on the Hill has been around for several years. It's located on Queen > Street (Rt 74) - heading from the city south on 74 you pass several doctor > offices and a ski shop and Chapps will be on your left hand side - it sort of > sits on a little hill. 717-846-5265. A group really enjoys its annual trek to > the Railroad House Inn in Marietta. The building is now a bed and breakfast > with a wonderful sense of history attached. The food is quite excellent, not > exceptional, but the ambiance is wonderful. My favorite York place remains the > Round the Clock Diner. 24 hours of good cheap food in huge portions. Best > restaurant I know of that has a train meet across the street. Arizona delegates > to York like to stay at the Modernairre Motel in East York. This might as > well have been the prototype for the Plasticville Motel. Across the street is > our Tuesday night tradition...soft shell crabs at the Paddock Bar. Paul > Wassermann MD > > An all you can eat called Aroma opened in East York next to Sams Club. (The > old York Mall) It's Americanized oriental food that's very good. > > RV ACCOMODATIONS > > You can’t use the Fairgrounds RV Accommodations till 11:AM on Thursday. > Enter from the back side and Phil will help you park. There are changes and a > good deal of the area has been asphalted, so your favorite spot may have a > different look. You are not allowed to put stakes thru the asphalt. > > The Orange Hall has restrooms on the west end that will stay open all night. > Coin operated showers are available. > > "Where should you never set up your camper?" I don't think there is a "bad > spot," but if you have a popup or something else that has levelers/feet on it, > you can't beat a paved spot for ease of setup. I would stay a little away > from the restrooms because of the pedestrian traffic, noise, and the occasional > smoker, if that sort of thing bother's you. > > "Is there a fee to camp if your camper does not require water or > electricity?" you need the RV permit if you intend to camp, even if you just use a tent. > You get to park right next to the camper, too. > > "Where is a good location to camp on the Wednesday night before the show?" > My preference is Indian Rock Campground, just outside of town to the south and > west. They run $22 a night, with electric and water; including decent shower > facilities. I believe they charge a bit more if you hook up septic. > Gravel-covered spots, with a picnic table and grill at each. Other train people stay > there as well, we usually get in Tuesday night). We pack up Thursday morning, > make another pass of the shows in the morning, and then head to the > Fairgrounds after lunch. Contact them at indianroc@.... Hope this helps. When I > first contemplated using my camper for York, someone else on the list > explained everything to me. He told me to look for his 40' motorhome from Colorado; I > told him to look for my 12' popup from Ohio! Feel free to pay us a visit. > Steve Hornick tintrains@... > > NOW THE DETAILS: > > MONDAY: > > The Reliance Fire Hall opens 8AM to 6PM for trading. The inside meet at the > Holidome sets up sometime on Monday as well. > > TUESDAY: > > The Holidrome ballroom will open in the AM till 7:00 PM. The outside parking > lot trading area is open as well. > > Reliance Fire Hall is open 8:00 AM-6:00 PM for trading. The Billy Budd > Holiday Inn opens around 5:00 PM for load-in into the small inside hall. Sometimes > Tuesday evening only there is a $5 charge just to walk around. Trading does > occur. A few guys set up Tuesday afternoon outside in the parking lot of the > Billy Budd. Many guests open their rooms and display trains. This is a good > time for reunion hugs and greetings. > > WEDNESDAY: > > The Billy Budd opens around 6:30 AM for set up and trading both inside and > outside. Bring a flash light to see the good stuff and get there real early to > find a parking space. They do give out tickets if you park dumb. Trade until > 4: PM. They serve breakfast inside the Billy Budd at 5:30 AM. Coffee and > donuts outside at 7:00 AM. (Attendance at this venue has been shrinking over the > recent past, so we will see what happens this time.) > > The Holidome parking lot trading area opens around 7:00 AM for booth set up > and trading. Trade until 5:00 PM. The inside opens around 7:00 AM and may > stay open until 7:00 PM. Unwrapping is super! Clem has a booth location at G-2 > outside (alphanumeric painted on asphalt.) I stay at the Holidome (Phone: > 717-846-9500). Reliance Fire Hall and Best Western Motel shows open Wed 8:00 AM > till 6:00 PM and 9am - 7pm respectively. > > TT Gauge Trains Meeting: For enthusiasts of Table Top there will be a > meeting at the Holidome on Wednesday starting at 4: PM. > > THURSDAY: > > The Billy Budd opens around 6:00 AM for more trading. Closes around 3:30 PM. > Holidome opens at dawn for trading outside and about 7:00 AM inside. Their > breakfast smorgy is OK and opens at 06:30 AM. Meet Closes around 3:00 PM. > Reliance Fire hall and Best Western are 8:00 AM - 3:00 PM and 7AM - 4PM > respectively. Clem has a booth in the parking lot at the Holidrome (G-2). Load-in at > the Fair grounds begins at 7:00 PM. NO TRADING. > > ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES FOR THURSDAY: > > The hotel trading is not the only game in town. TCA activities start on > Thursday. The National Toy Train (TCA) Museum in nearby Strasburg, Pa., has a big > day planned. It is an excellent full day of special activities on Thursday > before the big Friday/Saturday York TCA show. Museum open 10-5:30 PM. See the > recent Newsletter, your Meet Notice, or the TCA web site for current details. > You must attend! > > Load-in for member table holders at the York Fair grounds is from 7:00 -9:00 > PM. Boxes may be put on tables, but no unwrapping. Dealer load-in to the > Orange Hall occurs from 9 AM-9 PM Thursday. No trading. > > NO TRADING and the Registration counter is closed. > > For education and fun there's: > > Wooden Toy Train Collectors Thursday 2:30-4:30 PM in the west end of the > Silver Hall. > > “Reproduction/fraudulent/fake/bogus?” Standards Committee Presentation - > The talk at York for Thursday 3-4 PM in the old Auction Area, Silver Hall. > > Toy Train Paper & Memorabilia Group is a TCA-affiliated educational activity > that meets every York Thursday (the day before the Friday and Saturday of > every York Meet) from 4 to 6 P.M. in the rear of the Silver Hall on the York > Fairgrounds. This diverse group is dedicated to the study and preservation of > toy train related paper and memorabilia. Enthusiasts of all manufacturers and > eras are welcome to attend. Be sure to bring a favorite piece to share with > others. The TTP&M publishes a newsletter, the Extra, twice a year. Please note > that in compliance with TCA regulations, this event is educational only. The > rule stating there may be no buying, selling, or trading, no solicitation of > a commercial nature, no film or video cameras, and no requests for copies of > any sort, will be strictly enforced. > > Standards Committee Meeting 7:30 PM Thursday old auction area Silver Hall. > Refreshments. > > Marx Show & Tell Meeting Thursday 7:00 PM Liberty Fire Co. 50 East 11th > Ave., York. <A HREF="mailto:hspanier@...">Mike Spanier <hspanier@...></A> > > Gilbert meeting: It is at the Four Points Sheraton behind the Round the > Clock Diner off Arsenal Road 9pm Thursday night. Usually lasts to 11-11:30 PM. > Bring special items, meet new friends teach & learn about Gilbert history, etc. > Bob Tufts usually attends and helps chair the meeting > > FRIDAY: > > ALL FOUR motel meets are closed. The TCA Internet discussion Group (ttml) > meets for breakfast on the fairgrounds at 7:00AM - 9:00 AM in the Fairgrounds > restaurant. And don't forget to sign up for breakfast. Wear your special > badge. The TCA Meet opens at Fairgrounds at 9:00 AM, but individual table holders > can unpack your table between 8:30 AM-8:50 AM. You can bring boxes in between > 8:30 -8:50 AM, as well. I suggest you get to Fairgrounds around 8:00 AM or > earlier and park. Parking is free. Huge crowd! If you can't get to the > fairgrounds early as suggested, you may have to park at the far end of the fair > grounds and walk a bit. The premeet buzz around the outside of the halls is toooo > much to miss. Plan a restroom stop prior to opening time. > > If you don't have a registration badge, go the entrance between the "Blue > Hall." and "Silver Halls" The roof is red I think, but the hall is not blue in > color (red brick on the outside). Ask someone to point out the registration > area. Onsite registration opens at 9:00 AM. Then you register and all the > buildings are yours to visit. The badge lets you get in any building, but you can > only register at one place. If you are a TCA member, you don't need a member > to sponsor you in. Bring your TCA membership card! There is a shuttle bus > around the fairgrounds, but it is quicker to walk (Wear comfortable layered > clothes and shoes). > > YORK HALLS > > White Hall > Individual collectors > > Red Hall > Daves Twacks and Trains has moved from the Gold Hall to the Red Hall > > Silver and Blue Halls > Individual Collectors > > Orange Hall all dealers > > The shuttle bus to the Local shopping Areas and Historical sites leaves the > Market Street Gate (just outside the Blue Hall) Friday every hour from 10:00 > AM-4:00 PM. $1.00 each way, exact change only. > > Rest rooms are in the Blue Hall, Registration Area, outside the former > Yellow Hall, White Hall, and on the north side (outside) of the Red Hall and next > to the former Gold hall. The Orange Hall has two sets of restrooms. The west > set is open 24/7 and includes coin –operated showers. > > Lunch can be obtained on the fairgrounds in several locations. > > There is so much to see and do at the York fairgrounds on Friday (let alone > other events earlier in the week), that it is tough to do it justice in one > day. Although there are thousands of tables to view, a lot of us just enjoy > the opportunity to socialize with the membership. This means that time > management is critical. As an initial suggestion, I would recommend that if your > interest is mostly new stuff, start at the Orange Hall. BUT if you’re more of a > collector into pre-post war, I'd start at Blue and work counter- clockwise, > Silver, White, Red. If you are more interested in a specific spare part head > directly to the Orange Hall. As one gets more experienced in the event, you > will be able to chart your own course to your favorite buildings. I let the > "inner feelings" direct me to the goodies. > > Special meetings also occur on Friday. Check you meet notice for details: > > For several years now, the CompuServe TrainNet--now ModelNet--Forum Group > meets for lunch and good fellowship on Friday at 11:30 AM by the Fry Stand near > the Red Hall (Carlisle Ave. side) > > The AOL On Line Train Gang meets at the Lionel display, at 12:00 on Friday, > kibitz a bit, and then go separate ways, until the AOL'ers banquet. It's held > at the Viking Hall straight out the road at the end of the York Fairgrounds > near the Yellow hall. Friday night, ~ 6:00 P.M. Social hour, where we > assemble a Kittworks layout and run trains. I do the MC thing, hand out the door > prizes, and we eat, drink, and make merry. You have to be an AOL'er, or guest of > same. Email me if'n yer interested. <A HREF="mailto:swoodin42@...">Stirling Woodin <swoodin42@...></A> > > IVES Train Society Friday 1-2 PM old Auction area Silver Hall. We usually > have about 50+ members show up, we bring trains to display and someone does a > presentation. Anyone is invited and encouraged to attend and there's usually > some sort of goodies to eat. Dave McEntarfer > > The OGR list meets at 1 PM on Friday in the grandstands. Here's the thread > on the OGR group meeting at York. Last year's Grandstand Meet was featured in > the magazine, and, I think, had some of the mfg. attending. <A HREF="http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=14460762">OGR</A> Jim Whitlock > > National Convention Guidelines Meeting 2-4 PM White Hall Meeting Room. > > IVES & Litho Group Friday 3 PM Restaurant Building. This is a more informal > group and although it started out as IVES, it is now more Lithograph > oriented. Usually about 15-20 guys show up and bring in rare lithographed pieces that > they've picked up during the meet. The IVES name has stuck over the years, > but you'll usually see more foreign, A.F., Hafner, etc. at this meeting. Again > anyone is encouraged to show up. Dave McEntarfer > > "OO" Gauge Meeting Friday 2:30-4 PM old Auction area Silver Hall. > > Cast Iron Floor Toy Trains Friday 4 PM. Location: White Hall Meeting Room. > > SATURDAY: > > TCA Discussion Group meets again for Breakfast again in the Fairgrounds > Cafeteria 7:00 -9:00 AM. Trading Halls open at 9 AM and trading comes to a close > around 2:00 PM when we all pack up to go home. Sometimes there are bargains > on Saturday. Also the crowds are gone. > > The Eastern Division General Membership Meeting is at 11:00AM in the Silver > Hall Auction room. Members please attend. > > Hope you have a great time! > > Remember: trains are about people so meet some new friends and greet some > old ones-for sure. Also thank any volunteers you see, as they work very hard > for your show. > > America hugs > > <A HREF="mailto:rbclement@...">Clem Clement</A> > President, Eastern Division, TCA > > > >   > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27183	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/18/2003
Subject: Hurricane Isable

Hi Group, For all of you in harms way of hurricane Isabel, I hope the power is restored and damage is minimal. Sending good vibes to you all ...Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27184	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: automatic delay circuits

- GreetingS - Tom asked about delay circuits and applications. My wife and my daughter-in-law together built a carousel for the layout some years ago. I adopted a phono turntable to rotate it at a slow speed. Since the riders have to get on and off, at least in my imagination, I set up a 555 timer to run it for 30 seconds, stop for 20 seconds, and repeat. I have had guests stare at it for a minute or so because they first thought it was turning, then noticed that it was still. Must have troubled their memory systems a bit. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27185	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: automatic delay circuits

Rhett, Do you think you could provide the circuit design for those of us who can build but not design such circuits? Roger Petrella Franktown, CO -----Original Message----- From: Rhett George <rtg@...> Sent: Sep 19, 2003 6:26 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] automatic delay circuits - GreetingS - Tom asked about delay circuits and applications. My wife and my daughter-in-law together built a carousel for the layout some years ago. I adopted a phono turntable to rotate it at a slow speed. Since the riders have to get on and off, at least in my imagination, I set up a 555 timer to run it for 30 seconds, stop for 20 seconds, and repeat. I have had guests stare at it for a minute or so because they first thought it was turning, then noticed that it was still. Must have troubled their memory systems a bit. CheerS, Rhett S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27186	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: Hurricane Isable

Thanks Barb, power is back on in this part of Lancaster Co (near NTTM). Some trees came down, most roads are open now, little flooding, could have been much worse. We dodged the big bullet, just inconveniences hear and there. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27187	From: martyl11	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: S Gauge Track

I'm building a American Flyer/Plasticville layout. I want a wider radius track then the AF track, what options are availble? I don't like using the GarGraves flex track, I always have problems with it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27188	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Cutting AF track

How does the group cut AF Track and what tools are preferable if track has to be cut to fit? Tin snips? Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27189	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track

***((I'm building a American Flyer/Plasticville layout. I want a wider radius track then the AF track, what options are availble? I don't like using the GarGraves flex track, I always have problems with it.)))** K-Line makes the wider radius curves. I forget the radius....sorry! Someone here will know. I bought some....hope to use this Christmas. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27190	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: AF TRACK BLANTANT AD!!!!!!!!!

I have 300=400pcs AF Track for sale. Straight or curved any quantity $1.00 each Plus shipping. I'll take checks & Paypal. Thank You Michael Strickland I also have 1/2 straight & curves & 90 deg Xing 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27191	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: AF TRACK BLANTANT AD PS

PS The track is in VG cond no rust Needs light cleaning if any at all. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27192	From: wintermutedm	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Non-train power for switches?

I have a question... I want a full 18 volts to throw my switches. They just dont quite cut it on the 15 volt power coming from an 8B AF transformer. I know that the 30B transformer had 18V output, but that is a bit beyond my price range. Would it be possible to use an AC adaptor (say from radioshack) to power these switches? In particular I was looking at something like the 18/24VAC 1000mA AC-to-AC Adapter (use 18). I dont know if this is what I should look at, or something else, or if I should just put up with giving manual assists to the switches. thanks Denny

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27193	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: K-Line S Boxcars

Hi All I just purchase 4 K-Line S Gauge Boxcars and they don't stay on the tracks going around a curve even at slow speeds. Is anyone else having this trouble ? Thanks AL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27194	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: Non-train power for switches?

Best thing is to 1) get a good transformer.... 1000mA is only 1Amp, not big enough. 2) Use a capacitor discharge circuit to store up power close to the switch and heavy gauge wire between it and the switch. Low voltage / low power wire and push buttons activates it and dumps the power across the short distance to the coil and snaps the switch. I am going to build such based on Peter Thorne's book for HO published by Kalmbach. In it he says HO solenoid operated machines draw 12 Amps at 12 Volts. He does not specify how many amps the "charger" power supply should be able to handle which fills the cap back up, that would of course depend on how many switches you migh snap at one and cause it to need to refil the cap... but also take into account powering up the layout which would also need to fill call caps. As-is yes they seem to like assistance. Most annoying. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27195	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Cutting AF track

Thanks to all those that responded to my question. I guess the answer is a Dremel tool. I appreciate the support. Thanks to all,John.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27196	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 21, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27197	From: William Lange	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: FW: Christmas layout photos..

Hi John, I did have to cut a custom straight length to connect the 2 switches on the inner loop. It's 7 1/4". I also did some filing on the bases of one pair of the switches to close up the gap where they join. I cut the track with a hacksaw and a small wooden miter box. I've uploaded some more shots of the switch yard. Let me know if you want a closer look at other sections. I haven't added anything new as I have been tuning and repairing some of my steamers. I am planning a major expansion, hopefully in the next month or two. Glad you're enjoying my project! Bill Lange > -----Original Message----- > From: John Brockmann [mailto:hcopter51@...] > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 2:55 PM > To: William Lange > Subject: Re: Christmas layout photos.. > > > Mr.Lange, I am building a "copy" of your current layout project. Did > you have to cut any track to make the two pairs of switches fit > properly and if so, how did you cut the track? Please keep posting > updates to the photo album. Thanks,John B. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27198	From: Kielek Family	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: S Gauge Track

Hey Guys! I believe the diameter of the K-line track is 54" Al K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 2:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge Track > ***((I'm building a American Flyer/Plasticville layout. I want a wider > radius track then the AF track, what options are availble? I don't > like using the GarGraves flex track, I always have problems with it.)))** > > K-Line makes the wider radius curves. I forget the radius....sorry! > Someone here will know. > I bought some....hope to use this Christmas. > > > Rick. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27199	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: Re: DECALS

Anyone have a good idea how to remove decals from cars without damaging the paint...L & N in real nice shape.....but USA star and bar airplane decal on it...Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27200	From: William Lange	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: 302 Reverse problems

I have a 4 piece die cast 302 that runs great forward, but sputters, jerks and barely runs in reverse. Sometimes you have to push it to get it started. I've found that the problem is in the tender as it goes away if I swap tenders with another 302 I have. At first I suspected the insulator was shot on the rear truck, but when I took it apart everything was OK. At least I got a chance to use my new Brakemans Super Riveter! I've cleaned, gauged and lubricated the wheelsets and cleaned the contact springs. I checked and cleaned the reverse unit short of taking it apart, and it seems OK. I figured I'd check with the list before I proceed, otherwise I'll just replace fingers on the reverse unit and if that doesn't work I'll remove the front truck and check that insulator. Any suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks, Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27201	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/19/2003
Subject: CJSS Get together

Hi All, The beginning of autumn has been marked for me for the past 15 years by the Central Jersey S Scalers annual Get Together. http://www.nasg.org/cjss.html It is hard to believe it is upon us once again. It is Sept. 26,27&28th 2003 in South Amboy NJ. In years past, it has been equal to about 1/2 of a National convention with all the vendors attending. Modules have come from as far away as Michigan. This years Get Together may be the first where DCC is used to run the trains for the majority or possibly all of the weekend. We will still have the capability of switching to DC though. I have just purchased a 7-amp power supply so there will be plenty of power. I will be bringing my new NCE DCC system. I will also be bringing my B&O EM1 and PRR J1 complete with DCC and sound. It would be truly awesome to have a double header with these so bring yours if you are attending. I have working Kadee couplers on the pilots of both. I highly recommend that you attend if you can. Click the above link for more information. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27202	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: American Models and SHS track - Additional Interest

I tried several months ago without success to connect the two. Besides the size difference, the difference between the two mechanical connection systems was too great to make it an easy job. I ended up (with significant assistance from David A.) modifying an AF 90 degree crossover to use with AM track but it took a fair degree of disassembly, filing and gluing (with the new superglue). It's not in service yet so we'll have to see. As I recall, SHS item 00393 is an AF track adapter. The solution ultimately might lie iin a manufactured adapter unit for the two systems - of course don't know how commercially likely that is. I believe that SHS advertises that crossovers in its system are coming. Of course not only would interconnection allow use of AM's crossover track, it would allow use of the two systems to depict different trackage situations on one layout - my interest. Look forward to others' comments and progress reports on your effots. Regards. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27203	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Re: SHS 90 and 30 degree crossings

Dear Paul, Revised drawings of our 90 degree and 30 degree crossing were given to us two weeks ago in a meeting with our engineer (we also received the assembled engineering sample for the ore car, test shots for the revised SW-9, new SW-8 and NW-2, as well as the engineering sample of the 2-8-0 drive). We saw a few more corrections were needed on the crossing, we hope to get the tooling started later this year with production next year. Best regards, Don Paul4Schil@... wrote: >....I believe that SHS advertises that crossovers in its system are coming. > > Regards. > Paul S. > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27204	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Gonna ride a train.....

After my daughter's soccer game this morning,..we're heading up to "Roaring Camp" in Felton, Calif. (near Santa Cruz), and ride the train there! I never been before, only a couple of hours away from me. Inclosed is a link if ya want to check it out. Have a good weekend!! Rick. http://www.roaringcamp.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27205	From: editor	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Volume 8 Issue 1 Is off to the Printer!

S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Volume 8 Issue 1 Is off to the Printer! Greetings Everyone, The S/Sn3 Modeling Guide is 'off to the Printer'! We have the Cover posted to our home page at ModelingGuide.com . It's not too late to subscribe! We didn't have that many printed and when they're gone, they're gone. BTW Does anyone recognize the Cover Photo? Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 0056 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27206	From: Tom	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Derailing K-Line Boxcars

Someone asked about derailing K-Line boxcars. On my car the problem was that the trucks were attached too tightly. To fix this, take off the body by unscrewing the screw at the brakewheel side of the body and lift off the body shell. The trucks are secured by a kingpin screw and nut which is kept from slipping by some red material on the thread of the screw (you can't unscrew the trucks with the body shell on as the material in the thread of the screw locks the nut in place). Holding the nut with a pliers or a small wrench, if you have one small enough, unscrew the trucks slightly, and then try running the frame with the trucks, loosening the trucks enough by trial and error until you achieve good tracking. Once you are sure that things are working well, apply a little glue to the tread (I used Walther's Goo) to keep the nut from loosening when the car is in operation. Interestingly, when I did this I found that I wound up with the trucks in a "three point suspension" like the scale guys say is optimum for truck adjustment. That means one truck is a bit looser than the other, but both are looser than originally delivered. The tighter of the two trucks is about 1/4 turn looser than the as delivered fully tight position and the second is about 1/2 turn looser than originally delivered. Interestingly, this was not a problem with the tank cars I received. Tom Gerbasi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27207	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: cutting AF track

You don't have to run out and buy a Dremel just to cut a few sections of AF track, although that is an easy and convenient way to cut it. Just use a hacksaw. Place the rail to be cut loosely in a vise, and saw away. Clean up the cut with a file. If you DO get a Dremel, get some protective eye goggles too. Dremel dut-off discs often shatter at speed on a job like that. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27208	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Re: cutting AF track

The last track I cut.....Used my Bandsaw and A file to clean up with....Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] cutting AF track > You don't have to run out and buy a Dremel just to cut a few sections of AF > track, although that is an easy and convenient way to cut it. > > Just use a hacksaw. Place the rail to be cut loosely in a vise, and saw > away. Clean up the cut with a file. > > If you DO get a Dremel, get some protective eye goggles too. Dremel > dut-off discs often shatter at speed on a job like that. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27209	From: svea1_2000	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Introduction

Hi, I have been a member for awhile but have not posted until today. Just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Svea. I am lady model railroader. My collection is comprised of a random of gauges. I have alot of S, but have it from N to O. I love to talk trains and model railroading so thought this was a good group to make new railroad friends. I have a website if you would like to stop by and see some of the trains. www.slatermill.homestead.com. Look forward to talking with you. Svea

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27210	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/20/2003
Subject: Re: Introduction

SVEA..........Welcome to the group...be sure to log in tomorrow night at 8:00....Barbara, from Florida and sometimes Sabrina show up...There are several of us here in Fla....We are planning to meet in November at the Orlando TCA train meet...... http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Bob ..... RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "svea1_2000" <sscott7053@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Introduction > Hi, > > I have been a member for awhile but have not posted until today. Just > wanted to introduce myself. My name is Svea. I am lady model > railroader. My collection is comprised of a random of gauges. I have > alot of S, but have it from N to O. > > I love to talk trains and model railroading so thought this was a > good group to make new railroad friends. I have a website if you > would like to stop by and see some of the trains. > > www.slatermill.homestead.com. > > Look forward to talking with you. > > Svea > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27211	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: track and bridges

This may a rhetorical question but how many of you who use original American Flyer track solder it together. If not, what do you do with a piece that changes almost daily its ability to carry the current. Second, when putting 2 switches together to change from one line to the other, how much track must you have between the switches so that the trains clear and do not strike the other switch. The difference in switches model does make a difference. Third, someone in the past year made a recommendation to create a trestle frame under the track that has been put on the American Flyer trestle set. They said something about using O gauge or HO gauge bridges. Anyone remember ?????? Clifford Manning Topeka

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27212	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Sunday Chat

Could you please tell me how I sign in for the chat.I tried last week but could not get on. Thanks Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27213	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: LNE decals

Good Morning, Anyone out there sitting with any of John Hall's set #131 LNE hopper decals that they would sell or trade ????? Or anyone got a cab weight from a AF 370 they want to sell??? Thanks Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27214	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Box Numbers

Hi All, I have a few numbered boxes, such as GP7 or diesel boxes that simply have the B numbers, and no other identifying markings such as the Engine numbers on them. I have tried to cross reference from the Sets book by Bob Tuffs, but it only catalogs the set box numbers. Does anyone know of any source or publication that identifies boxes that contained items by number. Thanks in advance for all your help, Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27215	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Re: track and bridges

1) I don't solder the track, rather solder on wires every few pieces. One bad piece? Swap it out. 2) Do you mean multiple RH or LH switches to make a yard where the switch machine gets in way? 1/2 section does the trick. (But you said trains clearing, not track...???) 3) Nothing to add to that. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27216	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Re: Set Boxes for ARROW Set

Heres A real hard question that I need help on..... I have 2 - 20605 Arrow L & N sets....both are in boxes labeled B - 2B880 and are rubber stamped 20605...both have the liners in them...only one has the back panel....and one box is in sad shape....SO..... Now the PROBLEM............ While moving my train room I ran across a very nice..solid box...with FACTORY printed set no 20605 on it.....But the BIN number is B-3N153 and it has a great interior liner for a set like the 20175 or 20123 would have...I was going to swap boxes to upgrade the set......BUT THIS SET BOX IS ABOUT 1" OR MORE BIGGER..........It is the same size as the 20175 type box.. Anyone know if Flyer put out someother type "ARROW" set in this type box........Or was it A factory Boo Boo...or what...... I have noticed that Gilbert did two type "ARROW" sets in the TUFTS book...one with track....one without...could this have been it?...... Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27217	From: William Lange	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Re: 302 Reverse problems - UPDATE!

Thanks to all who shared there ideas; broken wires led the pack. As the tender had a new repro wire harness installed a few months ago, I went with Carl Tuveson's idea about straightening the trucks first. They were in pretty good shape but I noticed that the draw bar was bent a bit. Straightening that helped but did not eliminate the problem. While watching the engine run in reverse I noticed some sparking at the rivet that connects the drawbar to the truck. In fact at one point the engine actually stopped and tripped the circuit breaker. I checked for a short from the front truck to the chassis and found that if you wiggled the truck just so, you could get a short. I replaced the rivet and insulator. The engine now runs, but still jerks occasionally. I'll keep tinkering but it seems that I had multiple problems at work. That's what makes these trains so much fun, there's always something new to learn! Thanks again to all for their help! Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27218	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 21, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27219	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/21/2003
Subject: track and bridges

Clifford: I use Atlas HO plate girder bridges netween the Flyer trestles. They fill in the space fairly well. I cut them down to about half height, low enough so overhangs don't strike them, and screw them to the track. Also have to cut the corners on those under curves, and sometimes cut gaps for curved track ties. I cut them with a razor saw or Dremel. There are other ways to mount them -- you could even use them upside down. But they are a convenient length and size. Other HO bridges and girder worlk can no doubt be mixed with them. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27220	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: track and bridges

Hi Tom: Do you have any pictures of the plate girder bridges between the flyer trestles??? Possibly they could be put in the photos section. Sorry for request if they are already there! Tx Rance Velapoldi jarcho@... wrote: >Clifford: I use Atlas HO plate girder bridges netween the Flyer trestles. >They fill in the space fairly well. I cut them down to about half height, >low enough so overhangs don't strike them, and screw them to the track. >Also have to cut the corners on those under curves, and sometimes cut gaps >for curved track ties. I cut them with a razor saw or Dremel. > >There are other ways to mount them -- you could even use them upside down. >But they are a convenient length and size. Other HO bridges and girder >worlk can no doubt be mixed with them. > >Tom Jarcho > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27221	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2012

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 27222	From: Rhett George	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Joiners for rail of different heights

- GreetingS - Regarding joining rails of differing heights, here is a suggestion if you have the rail joiners which wrap around the base of the rail. For joining code 125 to 148, solder half of a 125 joiner to one side of a 148 joiner. If the 125 sticks up, mash the 148 joiner down a bit. if the 148 sticks up, solder a shim to the top of the 148 joiner and then put the 125 joinere on top of that. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27223	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: cutting AF track

Thanks again to all that answered. Did not realize a dremel had certain drawbacks. I will use my small saw and file. Thanks again,John. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > The last track I cut.....Used my Bandsaw and A file to clean up with....Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jarcho@r...> > To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 6:22 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] cutting AF track > > > > You don't have to run out and buy a Dremel just to cut a few sections of > AF > > track, although that is an easy and convenient way to cut it. > > > > Just use a hacksaw. Place the rail to be cut loosely in a vise, and saw > > away. Clean up the cut with a file. > > > > If you DO get a Dremel, get some protective eye goggles too. Dremel > > dut-off discs often shatter at speed on a job like that. > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27224	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: cutting AF track

I've only cut a couple of straight pieces in half,...I used my Dremel type tool,...and yes, as Tom said, use eye-protection! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27225	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: cutting AF track

Definitely use eye goggles for cutting track with the Dremel! You will break the cutting disk, if you push it too hard into the track. Take your time cutting and you will get the "hack" for it. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 3:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: cutting AF track > I've only cut a couple of straight pieces in half,...I used my Dremel type tool,...and yes, as Tom said, use eye-protection! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27226	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Re: track and bridges

Clifford Manning wrote: > This may a rhetorical question but how many of you who use original > American Flyer track solder it together. If not, what do you do with a > piece that changes almost daily its ability to carry the current I kink my track pins to the left and right which makes a tight fit into the hole of the next section of track. Clean the pins. You could solder a small piece of wire on the side of the rail from one section to the other. Putting a kink in the pin is the best solution. > > > Second, when putting 2 switches together to change from one line to the > other, how much track must you have between the switches so that the > trains clear and do not strike the other switch. The difference in > switches model does make a difference > . You will have to play around with the track to figure out that one. Roger Hinds

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27227	From: rayklesc	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: New Features at Model Railroad Hobby

Hello All: As is my practice, I completed the bi-weekly update for Model Railroad Hobby <http://modelrailroadhobby.com> and it is now ready for viewing. There are some new product announcements from Atlas and InterMountain that may be of interest for some of you. A new poll is running asking, "If you had to do it all over again would you... (a) build in a larger scale; (b) smaller scale; (c) same scale different gauge; (d) not change anything; or (e) never have gotten involved in the hobby." Hopefully there won't be too many e's. There's new club news posted and a note from Shawn at Rail-Lynx regarding his recent change of address and a broken arm :( Get well soon Shawn and keep the orders rolling. Some new content and links have been added and the discussion forums are now up and ready for prime time viewing. These forums have been tested with a small group of brave souls and we've ironed out the bugs. I believe you will find them fun and a great place for sharing. Here's a direct link to the forums: <http://modelrailroadhobby.com/forum> Stop by and see the new logo for The Atlantis Bayside Intercon Railway (my ficticious freelance railroad) and see if you can guess from where I gained my inspiration. If you're stumpped then check the What's New page for the answer. One last thing, the newsletter design has been finalized with valuable input from subscibers to the original call for help. The 2nd edition of the newsletter goes out tomorrow (Wednesday) sporting the new look. So stop by and take a look at the new features and content. Ray Klesc Model Railroad Hobby <http://modelrailroadhobby.com> Expanding the boundaries of model railroading...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27228	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: BACK FROM ORLANDO

I visited The Train Depot on Friday. Fairbanks Drive in Winter Park. They had some "L" S on consignment. They might stock more if local S Gaugers bought from them. They started 3 years ago. Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27229	From: Don Abrams	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Rewheelin'

Dear group, I finally got 8 new old stock wheels for my 21145 switcher and am wondering how to proceed with replacing the originals. I have replaced wheels on steamers many times, but usually only 1 or two at a time. Should I pull all the originals at once, replace 4 on one side and put the other side on one wheel at a time checking quartering only on the last 4? Or should I remove and replace one wheel at a time and check quartering with each replacement? I'll also be replacing the 1/2" motor with the proper 5/8" motor after the wheels are done. Hobby Surplus actually carries this oddball size armature and field. Thanks in advance for your suggestions, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27230	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/22/2003
Subject: Unbelieveable!

Hi All, I was running my S Scale B&O EM1 on 1 main line, and my Rex B&O C16 0-4-0 on the other main line. I put the C16 on the EM1 train just for a goof. That little stock 0-4-0 pulled 35 S Helper Service and American Models cars with a brass I12 caboose without slipping a wheel! I am sure I could put another 5 cars on it if I wanted to use the coupler slack action to start the train. Only 4 more days to the CJSS Get Together. I got the DCC integrated into my control panel we WILL be running some trains in South Amboy NJ! Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27231	From: Kielek Family	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Re: Rewheelin'

Hey Don....I usually remove all the drivers from the chassis and then replace the drivers one set at a time. Of course, I would take the opportunity to thoroughly clean the chassis with all the wheels off. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Abrams" <donabrams@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Rewheelin' > Dear group, > > I finally got 8 new old stock wheels for my 21145 switcher and am wondering > how to proceed with replacing the originals. > I have replaced wheels on steamers many times, but usually only 1 or two at > a time. > Should I pull all the originals at once, replace 4 on one side and put the > other side on one wheel at a time checking quartering only on the last 4? > Or should I remove and replace one wheel at a time and check quartering with > each replacement? > I'll also be replacing the 1/2" motor with the proper 5/8" motor after the > wheels are done. > Hobby Surplus actually carries this oddball size armature and field. > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions, > > Don > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27232	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [S-Trains] Set Boxes for ARROW Set

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 27233	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Fwd: Fw: [S-Trains] Set Boxes for ARROW Set

In a message dated 09/23/2003 8:22:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, HOwingsiii writes: > Bob - > > > >Strange as it may seem, Gilbert sold a lot of special promotional sets in > >1956-65 in other than the display boxes that were used in the catalogues. > >This allowed a less expensive box to be used for bulk mailings, and these > >were often shipped directly to department stores as part of a special > >promotion. There are also instances where these plain brown wrapper boxes > >were used for different sets. That complicates the issue because one would > >have to have the label to determine which set the box pertained to. > > > >It appears that the Arrow set from 1960 is a likely example of this. Set > >box B-3N153 was also made in 1960, and Gilbert was hard pressed to cut > their > >costs and unload unsold inventory. It is quite likely Gilbert shipped > their > >Arrow sets to department stores in plain brown boxes to be given to > >customers who purchased them. I have found such plain brown boxes for sets > >going all the way back to 1956 with sets 9691 and 9692. > > > >Hope this helps > > > > - Bob Tufts > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27234	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Re: BACK FROM ORLANDO

Was it a UP set and A AM set/...they had those about a month ago...I too asked about more "S"...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BACK FROM ORLANDO > I visited The Train Depot on Friday. > Fairbanks Drive in Winter Park. > They had some "L" S on consignment. > They might stock more if local S Gaugers > bought from them. They started 3 years ago. > > Glenn > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27235	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Order Deadline: K-Line 2003 Second Edition S Gauge Cars

The early buy offer for the newest S gauge cars from K-Line as announced in their 2003 Second Edition Catalog ends on September 26th. These cars, each listing at $19.95, including the new line of illuminated cabeese and depressed center flatcars with loads, are available at the early buy price of $17 plus shipping and handling. Early Buy pricing is available only until Friday, September 26th. These are the new offerings: Catalog # Description List Early Buy K511-017 Reading S Gauge Boxcar $19.95 $17.00 K511-018 Union Pacific S Gauge Boxcar $19.95 $17.00 K511-019 Pure Oil S Gauge Tank Car $19.95 $17.00 K511-020 No. Pacific S Gauge Tank Car $19.95 $17.00 K511-021 Milwaukee Rd Depressed Center Flat Car w/front end loader $19.95 $17.00 K511-022 Chesapeake & Ohio Depressed Center Flat Car w/roller $19.95 $17.00 K511-023 PA RR Illuminated Caboose $19.95 $17.00 K511-024 So Pac Illuminated Caboose $19.95 $17.00 K511-025 Reading Illuminated Caboose $19.95 $17.00 K511-026 Milwaukee Rd Illum. Caboose $19.95 $17.00 To see pictures of these items, copy the complete URL below to your web browser: http://www.k-linetrains.com/products/browse_new_sub.cfm?prdsubtype=S%20Gauge%20Freight%20Cars&prdtype=2003%202nd%20Edition&secID=B17A068D-6D44-11D4-ADA90060B0576B82&fldID=A55D2D2C-89A8-11D4-ADAE0060B0576B82 Thank you, Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27236	From: marpack57@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: deals on new stuff

Anyone point me in the right direction for good prices on the new Christmas car and the Disney cars. Thanks. ED [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27237	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: armatures

Can anyone tell me an easy and sure way to check armatures to be sure they are good.I got a whole bunch of them in a big lot of parts and track I bought at an auction.I want to take them to York to sell if they are ok because I don't need all that I have. Thanks Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27238	From: svea1_2000	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome

Thanks to everybody that has welcomed me into the group. Everyone has been so nice. I should have stopped lurking and talked sooner. Thanks to all of you that have sent private e-mails expressing interest in my collection. I hope I will be able to add something to this great group. Svea

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27239	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Tank Car

Hi, An old friend gave me a call and said he had some American Flyer stuff if I wanted it. In the box as a 0-8-0 switcher in ruff shape as well as some well used cars. One of the better kept cars is a GATX 910 Gilbert Chemical Tank car. It cleaned up fairly well but the platform around the dome is missing. Any ideas where I might find one--are repos available. Thanks in advance. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27240	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: BARB

Anyone hear how she is doing? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27241	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Re: BARB

Didn't know she was ill. Can someone fill me in, as I have done some emails with her in the past recently and haven't heard from her after the last one awhile ago. Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 8:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BARB > Anyone hear how she is doing? Bob > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27242	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/23/2003
Subject: Ebay and power supplies

Hi Guys, I know the thread has been dead for a few days, however, I must tell you of my success story in finding a DCC suitable power supply on my favorite website in the world, EBAY! I just bought the following http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2555786971 and installed it this weekend in my control panel for my S Scale 20' long yard module. AND what to you know, he has another one of the same for sale now! Don't let the lack of a case cover stop you. I used a Radio Shack perforated plastic circuit board to make one. You really have to wade thought a lot of listings before you strike gold. I definitely did strike gold here with this item and seller. He shipped the next day when I used Paypal. It is filtered and regulated DC variable from 16 to 22 volts and up to 6.7 amps. I am using the NCE 5 amp system so that is plenty of power. I like it because I can turn it down when I have to switch the module to conventional DC operation. My other 13.6 volt power supply ran the trains a little on the slow side on DC by the time the power got out of my hand held throttles. We will be running trains this weekend at an S Scale meet in South Amboy NJ. Contact me if you are interested. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27243	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/24/2003
Subject: Re: BACK FROM ORLANDO

Hi Robert, Yes a UP set a GP9 engine and a couple of cars. They also had a Flyer transformer in back as well as some Flyer track. He said when they get S items in they sell fast. He also had a list of a Flyer collection worth a few thousand which was to be sold in total. Glenn robert allen conner wrote: Was it a UP set and A AM set/...they had those about a month ago...I too asked about more "S"...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ritter" <gartrain@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BACK FROM ORLANDO > I visited The Train Depot on Friday. > Fairbanks Drive in Winter Park. > They had some "L" S on consignment. > They might stock more if local S Gaugers > bought from them. They started 3 years ago. > > Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27244	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/24/2003
Subject: BACK FROM ORLANDO

You can say what you want; NOTHING beats a toy train set in a store window or display case. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27245	From: mlmarmer	Date: 9/24/2003
Subject: Re: BACK FROM ORLANDO

Those days are long gone, sadly. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BACK FROM ORLANDO > You can say what you want; NOTHING beats a toy train set in a store window > or display case. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27246	From: David Engle	Date: 9/24/2003
Subject: Re: BACK FROM ORLANDO

How about those of a modular layout set up in a big shopping mall, and people attracted to the MOVING trains at any given moment. -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BACK FROM ORLANDO Those days are long gone, sadly. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BACK FROM ORLANDO > You can say what you want; NOTHING beats a toy train set in a store window > or display case. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27247	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Part Needed for AF Baldwin Restoration Project

I need the left side (looking forward) of the "rear platform and step casting" (where the typical screw hole crack occurs) for an AF 255 Baldwin. (The whole rear platform and step casting or a junker shell with a big melt spot up front would work also.) Anyone have this piece in a junk box somewhere? Contact me off list, please. Don Munsey, Jr. dmunsey@... Sn42 Rebel & VGN Rwy fan trapped in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27248	From: waldootten	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: $11 profit on eBay shipping

A couple of weeks ago I bought two separate lots of AF rolling stock from the same eBay seller. The guy charged me about $21 for shipping both lots. Ignored my requests (2) to combine shipping charges, which makes sense, right? The box (one) came today with both lots inside. It was a used box from the grocery store closed with cheap tape and $9.47 postage attached. Figure 50 cents for tape and he's made an extra $11 on the sale. His auctions said "Buyer pays all shipping costs." I guess I paid $11 for this mope to take it to the post office. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27249	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping

First off,....I DESPISE high shipping costs!! One fella can send it to ya for under five bucks,...another will send a similar item and want up to TEN bucks!! At first I thought he had SAVED you $21...(I thought he wanted $21 for EACH lot)....but after reading it again, I see he didn't. He combined the lots,..still, he about doubled the ACTUAL shipping costs....that does seem quite high to me for a profit.....on shipping!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27250	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping

To balance this with some good news, I ordered some AF track from someone who advertised on the S-Train group and was charged $8.00 for shipping. When it arrived, the shipping cost on the box was actually $8.55. I'll buy from him again. Or maybe he lives next door to the post office! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] $11 profit on eBay shipping > A couple of weeks ago I bought two separate lots of AF rolling stock > from the same eBay seller. The guy charged me about $21 for shipping > both lots. Ignored my requests (2) to combine shipping charges, > which makes sense, right? > > The box (one) came today with both lots inside. It was a used box > from the grocery store closed with cheap tape and $9.47 postage > attached. Figure 50 cents for tape and he's made an extra $11 on the > sale. His auctions said "Buyer pays all shipping costs." I guess I > paid $11 for this mope to take it to the post office. > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27251	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping

I will never buy from anyone who posts "Buyer pays all shipping costs" because they have you by th eyou know what. I have seen many complaints and there is nothing Ebay can do because the seller says "its part of the handling costs." The shipping is one of the first hings I look at when browsing something on Ebay. Some of these guys are trying to become rich doing this and they won't be getting any from me...just my two cents :) > ---------- > From: waldootten > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:45 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] $11 profit on eBay shipping > > A couple of weeks ago I bought two separate lots of AF rolling stock > from the same eBay seller. The guy charged me about $21 for shipping > both lots. Ignored my requests (2) to combine shipping charges, > which makes sense, right? > > The box (one) came today with both lots inside. It was a used box > from the grocery store closed with cheap tape and $9.47 postage > attached. Figure 50 cents for tape and he's made an extra $11 on the > sale. His auctions said "Buyer pays all shipping costs." I guess I > paid $11 for this mope to take it to the post office. > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27252	From: keith kuzma	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping

Actually thats not true. If the buyer says pays all shipping, you can only be held for actual shipping charges.(to include reasonable packing ) If there is a handling fee it must be listed in the auction according to ebay policy.If the charges are excessive,you can file a fee avoidance complaint against the seller.Ebay takes that complaint seriously since it cuts into their profit.Keith --- "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> wrote: > > "...know what. I have seen many complaints and there is > nothing Ebay can do because the seller says "its > part of the handling costs." The shipping is one of > the first hings I look at when browsing something on > Ebay." > > > ---------- > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27253	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping

Gene wrote--***(((Some of these guys are trying to become rich doing this and they won't be getting any from me..)))**** I agree,....I won't bid on unclear or outrageous shipping costs!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27254	From: scott ptacek	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: pre-war hudsons

I'm looking for a pre-war Hudson any help were to look Scott --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27255	From: Edward G.	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re ;$11 PROFIT.....

Phil ...i dont blame you for feeling ripped ....I do hope that you leave the dude with some capitalized words like POSTAL GOUGHER>>.IN RED ..in his FEEDBACK...as a Complaint ..let him know how you feel and what you intend to do with his feedback ...So maybe you will wake him up and give him the chance to give you a refund cheaque ...If not POST IT.. I agree with you too Rick and Keefer Enough of this CRAP

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27256	From: Edward G.	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: P.S..>>>>

I personally have resorted to telling guys with high priced rates that I expect to SEE that much Postage on the Package ...so that it doesnt affect their Feedback.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27257	From: Mike Vana	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Excessive shipping Charges

I know from experience as an Ebay seller that calculating shipping ahead of time can be tricky, especially now that there are different rates for different zones of the USA. I've "made" and "lost" money on shipping, but it the cost of postage isn't all that matters. If you have to buy the materials, like tape and boxes, those can sure add up. Fortunately I buy stuff through the mail and have a lot of packing material to reuse. Depending on the method of shipping you use, rates can really vary. Foreign shipping is even trickier, and the USPS calculation guide on the web site has been really high compared to actual charges. One time I sold stuff to a guy in Canada and the actual postage was so much lower than I charged, that I wrote the guy back and offered him some more parts at no additional charge, which he gladly accepted. On the other hand, as an Ebay buyer, I watch what people want for shipping. The most excessive shipping charges I have seen were when the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago listed O scale trains on Ebay and wanted $75 for shipping each lot, which sometimes was a $50 freight car! Obviously I didn't bother with those auctions. I agree that people shouldn't try making money on the shipping. If the charges are not posted, you could e-mail the seller and ask before bidding, not bid at all, or if you receive something and shipping is obviously too high, ask the seller for at least a partial refund or threaten negative feedback, mentioning the excessive charges in the feedback. If somebody makes a couple dollars on shipping, it won't bother me, but in the case where it was $11, that seller ought to refund at least $5 or have an awful good explanation why it is so high. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27258	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Excessive shipping Charges

I totally agree about excessive Shipping charges....But 1. The other day I bought A Log Loader....Price was great and shipping was reasonable....I WAS TOTALLY HAPPY....On monday I got A letter from the guy with 4.00 in it saying the postage was not as much as he expected.....Really nice!!!!!!!!! 2. How about the person who doesn't think!!! I recently bought A 20605 set...The shipper who packed it in A box did A great job on the exterior box.....But the Idiot put all the loco and cars loose in the set box....THEN WRAPPED THE WHOLE SET BOX WITH CLEAR TAPE!!!!..they of course then wrapped the taped box in bubble wrap to protect it.....the only car that didn't get any damage was the L & N car...the hopper and cab and engine all had scratches....more than I expected... 3. I agree that there is some expense in shipping....I get all my boxes from the PO...They deliver to my door for free...But I still have to buy tape, etc...I don't charge anything for my time ...I usually post the shipping amount....I try to guess the post and add 1 - 2 dollars....By the time I have shipped 20 - 30 items I might be even..... 4. Some people want to add GAS money and thier time to their Shipping costs...and time to the PO....I find that I can print A label for free...Tracking type....Put postage on it and my mailman will take up to 2 or 3 per day...Weight has to be under 5 pounds......If I have A lot I make it all in one trip once A week to the PO........ Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27259	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Hot motor

Saw a 336 on eBay and the seller says that the motor gets pretty hot after several minutes of running. He seems to think it is a short somewhere in the armature or the coil. Does this sound likely, or is it more likely due to needing a good cleaning and lubrication? Opinions? Thanks, Tom _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ========================================================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27260	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Vehicle Crossing on S scale tracks

Hello everyone I am new at creating a layout and am needing some help building a crossing for cars and trucks that is a little bigger than a rerailer. Does anyone know what I should use to accomplish this task? I have thought about plaster but don't really know for sure. Thanks DeWayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27261	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Vehicle Crossing on S scale tracks

Depends on the PERIOD.....now they use a kinda of black rubber type material.....Back in the 60's and back they used wood timbers...I would use stained wood strips...but remember the rail slot has to be kinda wide to allow the heavy wheels to pass thru....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.J. Harrison" <dawidjett@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Vehicle Crossing on S scale tracks > Hello everyone I am new at creating a layout and am needing some help building a crossing for cars and trucks that is a little bigger than a rerailer. Does anyone know what I should use to accomplish this task? I have thought about plaster but don't really know for sure. > Thanks > DeWayne > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27262	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: $11 profit on eBay shipping

Those shipping charges sound unfair. When looking at eBay, I try to remember to check out the shipping costs before bidding. Most sellers are reasonable, but a few try to make extra on the shipping. I remember seeing a Dutch auction from a guy selling 100 clocks. The clocks were reasonably priced at $19.99, but the shipping charges (in fine print below) were $49. So are you going to leave feedback for this guy that is negative or at least neutral? Along with high shipping charges, another thing that burns me up about eBay is that their feedback system doesn't work. Nobody ever leaves negative feedback, even when it is deserved, because they don't want to get into a "feedback war" with the seller. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] $11 profit on eBay shipping > A couple of weeks ago I bought two separate lots of AF rolling stock > from the same eBay seller. The guy charged me about $21 for shipping > both lots. Ignored my requests (2) to combine shipping charges, > which makes sense, right? > > The box (one) came today with both lots inside. It was a used box > from the grocery store closed with cheap tape and $9.47 postage > attached. Figure 50 cents for tape and he's made an extra $11 on the > sale. His auctions said "Buyer pays all shipping costs." I guess I > paid $11 for this mope to take it to the post office. > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27263	From: Hall G	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Trains in store windows

I have set up my toy trains in windows of stores or shopping mall a few times now with a Christmas theme. But could never leave them to run as it would require someone to maintain them and stores never offered any $ for costs to wear the trains out. Giving some thought to setting a display up at a convention center that has a ride on train and Christmas lights display over Christmas they want me to set up and operating layout?? Hummmm wonder a lot of work and other hazards etc. of course. Will see might be OK if they just get turned on and run for a few minutes on hour and half hour or something but not all the time! GH __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27264	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: JUST FOR FUN

As most of you know, I am an Architect....just ran across this on the Datacad digest...Kinda fun http://www.citycreator.com/ Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27265	From: firex43	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: PA Shell Wanted

I am in need of a PA shell to use to repair a 21561 shell that is missing the left front skirt. A parts shell is fine as long as the left front skirt is intact. Please contact me off-list if you have the saving skirt. Thank you, John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27266	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees

I'm not sure this thread is worth a lot of cyber"space", but here's my .02 When I sell something (direct sale, or on EBAY....makes no difference), I take the ACTUAL UPS cost, round it up to the next nickel (e.g,.42 becomes .45), and add $1.00. That's my "shipping charge". Shipping charges in excess of actual postage always irritated me too, UNTIL I started doing business. Then I quickly realized all the OTHER costs involved in "shipping".....invoices, labels, tape, boxes, "peanuts" and bubble-wrap, postal-meter rental, ink cartridges, UPS machine rentals, UPS weekly service-fees, etc. It's not always real obvious to the buyer! I'm not trying to justify excessive fees like the one that started this thread, but just trying to point out what I feel IS fair. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27267	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Trains in store windows

Doing the same thing this Christmas, 4 X 6 layout in TV store window. Putting oval of Flyer track on a DALLEE timer system, so train only runs when button is pushed to start it, it runs preset time and stops. Can help you find the right parts if you wish. Lots of eye candy planned for layout and of course TV's. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27268	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees

I agree with you 100% Doug and do not mind paying a dollar or two on top of the postage fee. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peck [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Thu 9/25/2003 9:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Shipping fees I'm not sure this thread is worth a lot of cyber"space", but here's my .02 When I sell something (direct sale, or on EBAY....makes no difference), I take the ACTUAL UPS cost, round it up to the next nickel (e.g,.42 becomes .45), and add $1.00. That's my "shipping charge". Shipping charges in excess of actual postage always irritated me too, UNTIL I started doing business. Then I quickly realized all the OTHER costs involved in "shipping".....invoices, labels, tape, boxes, "peanuts" and bubble-wrap, postal-meter rental, ink cartridges, UPS machine rentals, UPS weekly service-fees, etc. It's not always real obvious to the buyer! I'm not trying to justify excessive fees like the one that started this thread, but just trying to point out what I feel IS fair. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27269	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Vehicle Crossing on S scale tracks

If you can come up with a piece of black shingle or roll roofing, the BACK side is excellent roadway material. Use it for the approach to the crossing and between the rails. Glue it down with white glue. Remember to leave adequate slots for wheel flanges and don't let it protrude above the rail height to snag couplers. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "D.J. Harrison" <dawidjett@...> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Vehicle Crossing on S scale tracks > Depends on the PERIOD.....now they use a kinda of black rubber type > material.....Back in the 60's and back they used wood timbers...I would use > stained wood strips...but remember the rail slot has to be kinda wide to > allow the heavy wheels to pass thru....Bob Conner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D.J. Harrison" <dawidjett@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:55 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Vehicle Crossing on S scale tracks > > > > Hello everyone I am new at creating a layout and am needing some help > building a crossing for cars and trucks that is a little bigger than a > rerailer. Does anyone know what I should use to accomplish this task? I > have thought about plaster but don't really know for sure. > > Thanks > > DeWayne > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27270	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Replying to emails

What am I doing wrong that when I reply to an email it only goes to the person that orginaly sent it not to the group. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27271	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Replying to emails

Bob, You need to add the group address, like mine, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27272	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2016

I hope you note this fact in the feedback section of Ebay...T Hillery A couple of weeks ago I bought two separate lots of AF rolling stock from the same eBay seller. The guy charged me about $21 for shipping both lots. Ignored my requests (2) to combine shipping charges, which makes sense, right? The box (one) came today with both lots inside. It was a used box from the grocery store closed with cheap tape and $9.47 postage attached. Figure 50 cents for tape and he's made an extra $11 on the sale. His auctions said "Buyer pays all shipping costs." I guess I paid $11 for this mope to take it to the post office. Phil

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27273	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: PA Shell Wanted

John, I think you need the "short skirt" used in late production to be completely accurate. S' David D. PS That's the one that the Flyonel locos use!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27274	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/25/2003
Subject: Re: Replying to emails

I usually delete out the address and type in "S" Trains,...when I reply. Keeps the other party from receiving them twice..... unless I want to reply to ONLY them and NOT the list. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27275	From: Kielek Family	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Hot motor

Hey Tom...I believe it needs a good cleaning and new brush springs and brushes. Hopefully, the commutator is not damaged to much(grooves) I've seen engines with this problem and it's tough to machine flat again. May need a new armature. Hope this helps Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Pennington" <pjpennington@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hot motor > Saw a 336 on eBay and the seller says that the motor gets pretty hot after > several minutes of running. He seems to think it is a short somewhere in > the armature or the coil. Does this sound likely, or is it more likely due > to needing a good cleaning and lubrication? Opinions? Thanks, Tom > > _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] > [||####### #####|______||_____ > || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || > ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| > | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | > []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] > /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ > ======================================================== > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27276	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Replying to emails

Hi all: Using netscape, I have buttons on top labelled "Reply" which is only for the sender, or "Reply All" which sends it to all those originally on the mailing list; thus one can select to whom you want to send the e-mail reply.. Rance Velapoldi anormal1@... wrote: >Bob, > You need to add the group address, like mine, Mike > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27277	From: Lindsay Thompson	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: New figures

Greetings from New Zealand. This may seem a strange 1st post but I have been producing figurines for quite some time 'Down Under" and decided to add some 1/64th scale figurines for local New Zealand modellers after being asked several times to do so. The response I have had to late is very encouraging and will continue to produce some more latter on. I love the 'S' scale stuff as it allows one to get great detail into such an economical scale. We have a very large train show next weekend in Christchurch which is an annual event and I am looking forward to seeing how the figures are recieved there. If you want to have a look at my web site: www.colonials.co.nz and please let me know what you think of the figures I have done. Kindest regards from New Zealand Lindsay Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27278	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees

Thank you Doug, could not have said it better! But, I would also add, credit card fees and on Ebay, you can add the listing fees, end of auction fee and for those who pay with PayPal, their fee. Having said that, I don't condone what was reported in the original message. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@p...> wrote: > I'm not sure this thread is worth a lot of cyber"space", but here's my .02 > When I sell something (direct sale, or on EBAY....makes no difference), I > take the ACTUAL UPS cost, round it up to the next nickel (e.g,.42 becomes > .45), and add $1.00. That's my "shipping charge". > Shipping charges in excess of actual postage always irritated me too, UNTIL > I started doing business. Then I quickly realized all the OTHER costs > involved in "shipping".....invoices, labels, tape, boxes, "peanuts" and > bubble-wrap, postal-meter rental, ink cartridges, UPS machine rentals, UPS > weekly service-fees, etc. It's not always real obvious to the buyer! > I'm not trying to justify excessive fees like the one that started this > thread, but just trying to point out what I feel IS fair. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also > available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> > E-mail: doug@p... <mailto:doug@p...> > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27279	From: keith kuzma	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees

Actually if you were to put that in writing ebay would boot you.Read their policies.You can not charge additional handling to cover ebay, paypal or credit card fees. The seller is responsible for setting the starting price or reserve high enough to cover these costs. Keith --- rfgiardina <rfgco@...> wrote: > Thank you Doug, could not have said it better! > > But, I would also add, credit card fees and on Ebay, > you can add the > listing fees, end of auction fee and for those who > pay with PayPal, > their fee. > > Having said that, I don't condone what was reported > in the original > message. > > Bob > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" > <doug@p...> wrote: > > I'm not sure this thread is worth a lot of > cyber"space", but here's > my .02 > > When I sell something (direct sale, or on > EBAY....makes no > difference), I > > take the ACTUAL UPS cost, round it up to the next > nickel (e.g,.42 > becomes > > .45), and add $1.00. That's my "shipping charge". > > Shipping charges in excess of actual postage > always irritated me > too, UNTIL > > I started doing business. Then I quickly realized > all the OTHER > costs > > involved in "shipping".....invoices, labels, tape, > boxes, "peanuts" > and > > bubble-wrap, postal-meter rental, ink cartridges, > UPS machine > rentals, UPS > > weekly service-fees, etc. It's not always real > obvious to the buyer! > > I'm not trying to justify excessive fees like the > one that started > this > > thread, but just trying to point out what I feel > IS fair. > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines Hobby Supply > > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, > Saturdays: 2-5 PM > (EST), Also > > available for telephone orders or drop-in by > appointment: > > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > > 978-465-8798 > > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > > Website: www.portlines.com > <http://www.portlines.com/> > > E-mail: doug@p... <mailto:doug@p...> > > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27280	From: keith kuzma	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shipping fees

--- keith kuzma <keefer1_us@...> wrote: > Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:11:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: keith kuzma <keefer1_us@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shipping fees > To: rfgiardina <rfgco@...> > > These are right out of the ebay rules. > > "Sellers may charge a reasonable shipping and > handling > fee to the final price of their item, providing that > this fee is disclosed in the listing. A shipping and > handling fee can cover the seller's reasonable costs > for mailing, packaging and handling the item. > Shipping > and handling fees cannot be listed as a percentage > of > the final sale price." > > "Sellers may not charge eBay buyers an additional > fee > for their use of ordinary forms of payment, > including > acceptance of checks, money orders, electronic > transfers or credit cards. Such costs should be > built > into the price of the item-this policy reduces the > potential for confusion among bidders about the true > cost of an item. Further, some forms of payment > surcharges, such as credit card surcharges, are > forbidden under the laws of many states, including > California." > > > --- rfgiardina <rfgco@...> wrote: > > Thank you Doug, could not have said it better! > > > > But, I would also add, credit card fees and on > Ebay, > > you can add the > > listing fees, end of auction fee and for those who > > pay with PayPal, > > their fee. > > > > Having said that, I don't condone what was > reported > > in the original > > message. > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" > > <> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27281	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees

We do have it in writting, because we cleared it with Ebay. The reason and their rules refer to the fees as being a % of the sale, not a set fee, as we do. BOB --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keith kuzma <keefer1_us@y...> wrote: > Actually if you were to put that in writing ebay would > boot you.Read their policies.You can not charge > additional handling to cover ebay, paypal or credit > card fees. The seller is responsible for setting the > starting price or reserve high enough to cover these > costs. Keith > --- rfgiardina <rfgco@s...> wrote: > > Thank you Doug, could not have said it better! > > > > But, I would also add, credit card fees and on Ebay, > > you can add the > > listing fees, end of auction fee and for those who > > pay with PayPal, > > their fee. > > > > Having said that, I don't condone what was reported > > in the original > > message. > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" > > <doug@p...> wrote: > > > I'm not sure this thread is worth a lot of > > cyber"space", but here's > > my .02 > > > When I sell something (direct sale, or on > > EBAY....makes no > > difference), I > > > take the ACTUAL UPS cost, round it up to the next > > nickel (e.g,.42 > > becomes > > > .45), and add $1.00. That's my "shipping charge". > > > Shipping charges in excess of actual postage > > always irritated me > > too, UNTIL > > > I started doing business. Then I quickly realized > > all the OTHER > > costs > > > involved in "shipping".....invoices, labels, tape, > > boxes, "peanuts" > > and > > > bubble-wrap, postal-meter rental, ink cartridges, > > UPS machine > > rentals, UPS > > > weekly service-fees, etc. It's not always real > > obvious to the buyer! > > > I'm not trying to justify excessive fees like the > > one that started > > this > > > thread, but just trying to point out what I feel > > IS fair. > > > > > > Doug Peck > > > Port Lines Hobby Supply > > > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > > > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > > > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, > > Saturdays: 2-5 PM > > (EST), Also > > > available for telephone orders or drop-in by > > appointment: > > > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > > > 978-465-8798 > > > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > > > Website: www.portlines.com > > <http://www.portlines.com/> > > > E-mail: doug@p... <mailto:doug@p...> > > > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27282	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling

Has anyone used Joint Compound or Drywall Spackling on there layouts instead of plaster? I am wanting to build up an area on my layout and have put wood strips down first and was going to experiment with it to see how it does. I have used it to do, obviously, drywall and a textured wall at out church which turned out pretty well. Thanks for everyones advice. DeWayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27283	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shipping fees

We do have it in writting, because we cleared it with Ebay. The reason and their rules refer to the fees as being a % of the sale, not a set fee, as we do. The rule states that you can not charge an "additional fee", in other words a seperate fee, based on payment form. Our fee is uniform and covers all costs. BOB --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keith kuzma <keefer1_us@y...> wrote: > > --- keith kuzma <keefer1_us@y...> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:11:06 -0700 (PDT) > > From: keith kuzma <keefer1_us@y...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Shipping fees > > To: rfgiardina <rfgco@s...> > > > > These are right out of the ebay rules. > > > > "Sellers may charge a reasonable shipping and > > handling > > fee to the final price of their item, providing that > > this fee is disclosed in the listing. A shipping and > > handling fee can cover the seller's reasonable costs > > for mailing, packaging and handling the item. > > Shipping > > and handling fees cannot be listed as a percentage > > of > > the final sale price." > > > > "Sellers may not charge eBay buyers an additional > > fee > > for their use of ordinary forms of payment, > > including > > acceptance of checks, money orders, electronic > > transfers or credit cards. Such costs should be > > built > > into the price of the item-this policy reduces the > > potential for confusion among bidders about the true > > cost of an item. Further, some forms of payment > > surcharges, such as credit card surcharges, are > > forbidden under the laws of many states, including > > California." > > > > > > --- rfgiardina <rfgco@s...> wrote: > > > Thank you Doug, could not have said it better! > > > > > > But, I would also add, credit card fees and on > > Ebay, > > > you can add the > > > listing fees, end of auction fee and for those who > > > pay with PayPal, > > > their fee. > > > > > > Having said that, I don't condone what was > > reported > > > in the original > > > message. > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" > > > <> > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > > search > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27284	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling

Hi DeWayne, I used drywall mud to cover plaster cloth on low level hills with wonderful success. The low level hills were made of "pillows" of newspaper stacked and then held in place with masking tape. The drywall mud needs to be fairly thin for spreading ease. Also the thinner it is, the faster it dries. It is so easy to paint when it is dry. Good luck ...Barb "D.J. Harrison" wrote: > Has anyone used Joint Compound or Drywall Spackling on there layouts instead of plaster? I am wanting to build up an area on my layout and have put wood strips down first and was going to experiment with it to see how it does. I have used it to do, obviously, drywall and a textured wall at out church which turned out pretty well. > Thanks for everyones advice. > DeWayne > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27285	From: Ted Larson	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Forwarded: web site

> Subject: [MFCL] More great photos > > > Another new-to-me site with great freight car photos: > http://www.castlegraphics.com/graphic/transportation/rail.html > Thanks to Brian Rutherford for the tip. > -- > Jim Eager The farm equipment pages on this website will help those of you wondering which farm toys from the farm store are appropriate for your era. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27286	From: svea1_2000	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Barb

Has anyone heard how barb is doing. Have not talked with her since the weekend. Svea

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27287	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Barb - How are You Doing?

Svea She sent me an email today. Lets ask her if she is still online. Bard, How are you doing? Thanks DeWayne svea1_2000 <sscott7053@...> wrote: Has anyone heard how barb is doing. Have not talked with her since the weekend. Svea S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27288	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Barb - How are You Doing?

I hope Barb doesn't mind me posting this.....but she is OK.... I heard from her and all is well after the surgery....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.J. Harrison" <dawidjett@...> To: "svea1_2000" <sscott7053@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Barb - How are You Doing? > Svea > She sent me an email today. Lets ask her if she is still online. > Bard, How are you doing? > Thanks > DeWayne > > > svea1_2000 <sscott7053@...> wrote: > Has anyone heard how barb is doing. Have not talked with her since > the weekend. > > Svea > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27289	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Health Update

Hi all, You are all so kind in asking about my surgery results. I came through the surgery on Monday with flying colors. Had a setback today with infected stitches. But I am now on mega doses of antibiotics so should be back to the healing process in 48 hours. I've been catching up on my "train" reading and can't wait to get back to work and to my layout. Thanks to you all for the prayers and well wishes. Barb "Hanging in there" Rudnicki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27290	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling

I have used it to cover joints between homasote panels, and for roads and grade crossings. Works great and easy to work with. Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.J. Harrison" <dawidjett@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling > Has anyone used Joint Compound or Drywall Spackling on there layouts instead of plaster? I am wanting to build up an area on my layout and have put wood strips down first and was going to experiment with it to see how it does. I have used it to do, obviously, drywall and a textured wall at out church which turned out pretty well. > Thanks for everyones advice. > DeWayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27291	From: waldootten	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Drywall mud on layout

Being an avid home repair DIYer, I have a huge bucket of drywall mud and plan to use it to apply a thin layer over all of the homasote on my layout as well as cover the seams between the 4x4 sheets. A random orbiting sander with a 100 grit pad should finish it off nicely. I'm planning on doing this so my gray HO Gravel bed (1/8 by 2 inches) will better adhere to the layout. It does not stick well to homasote board. I tried in vain for three months to get 15-20 rolls of the rubber AMI Instant Roadbed to use but couldn't find it in stock anywhere. So my local hobby guy offered this stuff, which is a pliable cork-filled compound made by R & RF, Inc., out of Evansville Indiana -- it has tapered edges and looks like authentic roadbed. Easy then to modify trackage later on if necessary that way -- especially if we move in the next couple of years and I have to disassemble the layout. Anyone else use this method and product? Any tips before I begin? PS I did find a few rolls of the black Instant Roadbed and will use it in a freight yard and for grade crossings. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27292	From: waldootten	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: eBay shipping cost UPDATE

Thanks for all the comments and opinions both here and offline. I agree with Doug Peck and Bob Gardinia's views. But to me, there's a BIG difference between a "hobbyist" eBay seller operating under eBay rules and folks who are running a legitmate, non-eBay business with much more overhead. I own my own company and there are definite fixed costs to running any business. I have purchased stuff from both Bob and Doug and have no problem with the way they conduct business. If I didn't like it, I can go elsewhere. Anyway, here's where we stand: I emailed the eBay seller with my complaint. I had checked my records and he took the shipping costs for two lots and added them together even though he shipped both together in a recycled grocery carton. I also found he charged me $19.40 (PayPal) for shipping and mandatory insurance. When the two lots came in one box via USPS with $9.47 postage, I also noticed he had NOT insured the package even though he charged me for it. To his credit, he responded in timely fashion, saying he made a "mistake" and forgot to insure the package ... and will be sending me a $10.00 refund check in the mail. So if I get the check and it clears, all will be well in The Windy City. Several of you requested off-line that I reveal the seller's name so you can avoid him; if I get the check, that won't be necessary. And maybe he learned a lesson from this. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27293	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping fees

Gene wrote: ""(((I agree with you 100% Doug and do not mind paying a dollar or two on top of the postage fee."")))) I totally agree.....up to a couple of bucks is very reasonable I think! I sell a little on eBay,....I find boxes at the school where I work, or use Priority boxes... I give the buyer a choice,..I of course,..prefer "Slow & Cheap"....I use newspaper for packing,...and to be honest, I wish everyone did! I hate packing peanuts, my daughter loves them though! I take packing peanuts down to the local train store,...they really go through a lot of them. The items I receive packed with newsprint, seem to be just as protected as if packed with the peanuts,...are the peanuts lighter though? I make labels on my computer,...so I guess I am using ink, paper...I feel my packing time is no big deal. But free boxes, free newsprint, for me. A roll of tape will last me for quite a while. The Post Office is close, and I'm there anyway! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27294	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 28, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27295	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Trains in store windows - Run Time?

I recall reading somewhere that an S scaler ran American Models engines for several hours each day on a display with no problem. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27296	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Vehicle Crossing on S scale tracks

There's a Walthers book on modeling urban spaces. In it, he has an extensive discussion of various ways to model crossing. I believe that Rail Model Craftsman had a discussion as well. Think about using posterboard as an underframe material for approach and even inside track and using a thin top of road type you wish to depict. \ Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27297	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Trains in store windows - Pictures

Does anybody know where I could find pictures of Store Windows...Christmas displays with trains and other toys? Time around 1947 to 55......Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27298	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling

Hi DeWayne and colleagues, I have used drywall compound on several layouts. It is easy to work with and very forgiving. I don't dilute it. I do stir the bucket to make it smooth and uniform. For substrate, I use screening (metal is best, plastic is OK) over cardboard forms. Spread the layer on with enough pressure to force small 'keys' of material through the screen holes, but not so much pressure that so much goes through that it falls off the bottom side. A layer should not be thicker than about 1/8 to 3/16 inch (3 to 4mm for people with a sensible measuring system). Let it dry a bit, but, not completely. It takes around 20 to 30 minutes. Then, use a one-inch, soft paint brush to go over it again. Keep the brush wet using ... water. Smooth out the contours and spread the little ridges left by the putty knife or painter's palette knife you used to spread the mud in the first place. After this step, let it dry completely. Part of the beauty of the system is that there is no real time clock running as there is with plaster. Spread a little or a lot as you have the time for. You can always add more. It sands down very well to make roads or building foundations. It takes paint, matte medium, white glue and ground foam very well. The other stuff bonds deeply to the compound and makes a durable, light weight scenic material. One more advantage is that the residue can be cleaned in a drain that uses your plumbing. That is something you must never do with plaster because the plaster particles seek each other out and set up in the pipes. Drywall compound doesn't 'set' as there is no chemical reaction. It dries out or it gets wet and loose, again. Good Luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: D.J. Harrison [mailto:dawidjett@...] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:05 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling Has anyone used Joint Compound or Drywall Spackling on there layouts instead of plaster? I am wanting to build up an area on my layout and have put wood strips down first and was going to experiment with it to see how it does. I have used it to do, obviously, drywall and a textured wall at out church which turned out pretty well. Thanks for everyones advice. DeWayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27299	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Trains in store windows - Run Time?

American Flyer, S-Helper and American Models ALL have the potential to run 7 hrs per day at the National Toy Train Museum (NTTM). They are on DALLEE push button operated timers. Frequently, the S-Gauge layout is the most popular layout there because of the 12 pushbuttons for kids "of all ages" to operate. Maintainence, at least when i was doing it, amounted to cleaning wheels, lubrication and occasionally changing brushes on the Flyers, altho more than one ran on the little bit of carbon left in the spring end. The A-M and SHS engines required wheel cleaning and occasional lubrication. Sometimes we cleaned the track, altho as long as we ran 7 days a week, it was not a big problem. Several yrs ago, the old Flyer track was replaced by the new S-HELPER track and it has been doing very well. Forgot to mention, ALL operation was on DC. We also had a cabinet of "runners" as back-up which the staff could use to change out a balky engine. Jim Lyle, livin' on the Keystone Main [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27300	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Hot motor

Thanks to all that replied on the hot motor, decided to let that one pass and be someone else's problem. Tom _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ========================================================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27301	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/26/2003
Subject: Re: Hot motor

For some reason large armature motors tend to have excessive wear on the commutators. It is typical to see them grooved. Perhaps it is the greater electrical load? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27302	From: Robert Wight	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: Re ;$11 PROFIT.....

I just had a guy charge me $4 to ship a cd disc with the american flyer manuel. It cost him 60 cents. It took two weeks to get it. But if i leave him bad feedback he will leave me bad feedback. I paid him the same day I won the auction. But I can promise you if I leave bad feedback ill get it back. So they get away with it and continue there practices. But most the time I have pretty good luck with ebay sellers. For what its worth Bob W. Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re ;$11 PROFIT..... Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:39:00 -0000 Phil ...i dont blame you for feeling ripped ....I do hope that you leave the dude with some capitalized words like POSTAL GOUGHER>>.IN RED ..in his FEEDBACK...as a Complaint ..let him know how you feel and what you intend to do with his feedback ...So maybe you will wake him up and give him the chance to give you a refund cheaque ...If not POST IT.. I agree with you too Rick and Keefer Enough of this CRAP S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27303	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Atlas O turntable

Don't drum me out, no blasphemy intended! (and I didn't use the "L" word, anyway). I've been eyeing the Atlas turntable for my layout. Has anyone tried to convert it to S track? The problem is none of the hobby shops around here have them, so I haven't been able to see one face to face. I have one of Doug Peck's TTs in a box, but I'm not sure I want to go through all the work to install it. Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27304	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas O turntable

Hi Dick, I don't have an Atlas turntable. What I bought was a Bowser S turntable from a gentleman via ebay. It was only 6 months old. All I had to do was cut a square hole in my layout, drop it in and hook up 3 wires. Piece of cake!! It services my 8-bay roundhouse flawlessly. Barb PS If you pay Doug's air fare, he might install it for you :-) rkuepper wrote: > Don't drum me out, no blasphemy intended! (and I didn't use the "L" word, anyway). I've been eyeing the Atlas turntable for my layout. Has anyone tried to convert it to S track? The problem is none of the hobby shops around here have them, so I haven't been able to see one face to face. > > I have one of Doug Peck's TTs in a box, but I'm not sure I want to go through all the work to install it. > > Thanks. > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27305	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: Re ;$11 PROFIT.....

Do you mean that the postage was 60 cents and there were no other costs involved in shipping the item? Did you pay online or mail your payment? Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Wight" <blueearthbob@h...> wrote: > I just had a guy charge me $4 to ship a cd disc with the american flyer > manuel. It cost him 60 cents. It took two weeks to get it. But if i leave > him bad feedback he will leave me bad feedback. I paid him the same day I > won the auction. But I can promise you if I leave bad feedback ill get it > back. So they get away with it and continue there practices. But most the > time I have pretty good luck with ebay sellers. > For what its worth > Bob W. > > Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains > http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@t...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re ;$11 PROFIT..... > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:39:00 -0000 > > Phil ...i dont blame you for feeling ripped ....I do hope that you > leave the dude with some capitalized words like POSTAL GOUGHER>>.IN > RED ..in his FEEDBACK...as a Complaint ..let him know how you feel > and what you intend to do with his feedback ...So maybe you will > wake him up and give him the chance to give you a refund > cheaque ...If not POST IT.. > I agree with you too Rick and Keefer > Enough of this CRAP > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local > service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27306	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas O turntable ADVERTISEMENT

We have it in stock if anyonme needs it-- Thanks-- Clay ----- Original Message ----- From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Atlas O turntable > Don't drum me out, no blasphemy intended! (and I didn't use the "L" word, anyway). I've been eyeing the Atlas turntable for my layout. Has anyone tried to convert it to S track? The problem is none of the hobby shops around here have them, so I haven't been able to see one face to face. > > I have one of Doug Peck's TTs in a box, but I'm not sure I want to go through all the work to install it. > > Thanks. > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27307	From: robert allen conner	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Cheap cars in "O"

I know some of you also mess with other Gauges beside "S"....I was in A hobby shop yesterday and found "Industrial Rail" cars on sale...10 for 99.90 + tax....The cars are really nice and every bit as good as Brand L, M, K, Etc....They are the ones who made the Caboose that is very close to "s" scale.....All of the cars I got were labeled 0-27....But are really around 1/4" scale....Ask your HS about them....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27308	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: wiring question

How do you guys connect all of the wires from a single loop of track? Say I am using track clips...6 or so. That means I have 12 wires coming to the transformer. Do any of you use some sort of terminal strip? I am getting ready to rewire 3 large loops and I am just looking for the best way to do it. Thanks! Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27309	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: loose logs

Also,....twisting the metal bands slightly to tighten,..seems to keep the logs in place better!! Sometimes the answer is sooo simple!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27310	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: wiring question

Run 2 bus wires under the surface. Wire should be lamp cord weight, about 16 gauge. Place power take off from this single pair to wherever you want to place a track terminal. That way the transformer only sees 1 pair of wires but track power is distributed to as many pickup points as you want. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 8:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] wiring question > How do you guys connect all of the wires from a single loop of track? Say I am using track clips...6 or so. That means I have 12 wires coming to the transformer. Do any of you use some sort of terminal strip? I am getting ready to rewire 3 large loops and I am just looking for the best way to do it. > > Thanks! > > Gene > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27311	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/27/2003
Subject: Re: Cheap cars in "O"

Hmm, I thought Industrial Rails was kaput. Maybe this shop had a bunch of stuff in stock and wants to get rid of it? The caboose is more than just "near S" it IS S. Put one alongside an AM crummy, and they look almost identical! If IR is back, maybe someone can convince them to do a run of S trucked cabooses? More choices, isn't it cool?? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27312	From: mcconnell63	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Tracks

Hi, My name is Al and I am a new member, I also grew up with AF Trains and the track I had then are different then some of the new track I see now. Now there are more ties and they look like wood. The hobby shops here only carry all metal track. Where can I get this track I haven't seen it in MR. Thanks, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27313	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Tracks

Al - Check out http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/track_compare/trackage.html Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "mcconnell63" <mcconnell63@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Tracks > Hi, My name is Al and I am a new member, I also grew up with AF > Trains and the track I had then are different then some of the new > track I see now. Now there are more ties and they look like wood. > The hobby shops here only carry all metal track. Where can I get > this track I haven't seen it in MR. Thanks, Al > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27314	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Tracks

Al, Check out the link below for choices in 'S' gauge track. I think you'll be surprise by the variety of choices. Lou Baldi http://www.trainweb.org/crocon/strack.html --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mcconnell63" <mcconnell63@y...> wrote: > Hi, My name is Al and I am a new member, I also grew up with AF > Trains and the track I had then are different then some of the new > track I see now. Now there are more ties and they look like wood. > The hobby shops here only carry all metal track. Where can I get > this track I haven't seen it in MR. Thanks, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27315	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: trestle

Can anyone tell me the height difference between adjacent piers in the AF figure 8 trestle set? It appears to be 5/16", but I'm not sure. I'm trying to calculate a grade, so a small difference can be significant. Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27316	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: A Friendly Challenge!

Here's a friendly challenge to those who complain about shipping charges etc. Quit your job, give up all other sources of income, then start a mail order business. Of course you must run that business in conformance with the terms that you expect of the people you complain about. Remember, only actual postage, you can't sell for a profit, you must ship the day before you get the order. Actually you can just "put it in an envelope". Also you must anticipate every possible thing that could go wrong, work 25 hours a day, 366 days a year. Every item you sell must be exactly what your customer thought it was, expected it to be and as he remembered it looked 30 or 40 years ago. Your return policy must be, any time in any condition and you get your money back, with return postage and phone calls, even if you don't return the item. You must concede that every mistake is your mistake, actually you are forbidden to make mistakes. Accede to every customer demand, without question. You cannot be out of stock on any item at any time. And set your prices based on what your customers believe an item should cost. You cannot have any terms and conditions of sale or rules of any kind. You must ship even without payment, on approval, especially if your customer is a TCA member. You must send one of every item you make or sell to the TCA for their inspection and approval. You may not incorporate, or "not" take every phone call in person. Anyone willing to take the challenge? BoB :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27317	From: keith kuzma	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!

Geez Bob, if your job is that bad perhaps you should find a less stressful line of work. Keith --- rfgiardina <rfgco@...> wrote: > Here's a friendly challenge to those who complain > about shipping > charges etc. > Quit your job, give up all other sources of income, > then start a mail > order business. Of course you must run that business > in conformance > with the terms that you expect of the people you > complain about. > Remember, only actual postage, you can't sell for a > profit, you must > ship the day before you get the order. Actually you > can just "put it > in an envelope". > Also you must anticipate every possible thing that > could go wrong, > work 25 hours a day, 366 days a year. > Every item you sell must be exactly what your > customer thought it > was, expected it to be and as he remembered it > looked 30 or 40 years > ago. > Your return policy must be, any time in any > condition and you get > your money back, with return postage and phone > calls, even if you > don't return the item. > You must concede that every mistake is your mistake, > actually you are > forbidden to make mistakes. > Accede to every customer demand, without question. > You cannot be out of stock on any item at any time. > And set your > prices based on what your customers believe an item > should cost. > You cannot have any terms and conditions of sale or > rules of any kind. > You must ship even without payment, on approval, > especially if your > customer is a TCA member. > You must send one of every item you make or sell to > the TCA for their > inspection and approval. > You may not incorporate, or "not" take every phone > call in person. > > Anyone willing to take the challenge? > > BoB :) > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27318	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!

No, it is not stressful at all. I rather enjoy making parts for for all our good customers, who appreciate all my hard work. Besides it allows me to use the years of education, knowledge, and expertise, gained over many years. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keith kuzma <keefer1_us@y...> wrote: > Geez Bob, if your job is that bad perhaps you should > find a less stressful line of work. Keith > --- rfgiardina <rfgco@s...> wrote: > > Here's a friendly challenge to those who complain > > about shipping > > charges etc. > > Quit your job, give up all other sources of income, > > then start a mail > > order business. Of course you must run that business > > in conformance > > with the terms that you expect of the people you > > complain about. > > Remember, only actual postage, you can't sell for a > > profit, you must > > ship the day before you get the order. Actually you > > can just "put it > > in an envelope". > > Also you must anticipate every possible thing that > > could go wrong, > > work 25 hours a day, 366 days a year. > > Every item you sell must be exactly what your > > customer thought it > > was, expected it to be and as he remembered it > > looked 30 or 40 years > > ago. > > Your return policy must be, any time in any > > condition and you get > > your money back, with return postage and phone > > calls, even if you > > don't return the item. > > You must concede that every mistake is your mistake, > > actually you are > > forbidden to make mistakes. > > Accede to every customer demand, without question. > > You cannot be out of stock on any item at any time. > > And set your > > prices based on what your customers believe an item > > should cost. > > You cannot have any terms and conditions of sale or > > rules of any kind. > > You must ship even without payment, on approval, > > especially if your > > customer is a TCA member. > > You must send one of every item you make or sell to > > the TCA for their > > inspection and approval. > > You may not incorporate, or "not" take every phone > > call in person. > > > > Anyone willing to take the challenge? > > > > BoB :) > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27319	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!

This has now gone into the ridiculous. Shipping should be as close as possible to the actual costs of shipping, and if required by the seller, a dollar or two for materials, of course, any additional costs for materials, plus the cost of actual shipping should be clearly stated in the auction. The combination of two auctions should reduce the total shipping costs to some extent, but with the original shipping fees of over $20 for the two auctions and no refund originally stated is obsurd. No one, in my opinion, is asking anyone to lose money during the shipment of their auctions, but to use it as a way to increase profits, that is unethical. My two cents, or whatever the actual costs are calculated to be for ones opinions. Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27320	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge! & BLATANT AD!!!!!

Hi Bob, I meet about 80% of your list with the smoke fluid I sell. I just can't seem to get it in an envelope with the bottle. :) But I do give a 100% money back refund (the shipping also). Mike S. 4oz bottle $10.00 + $3.50 shipping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27321	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge! & BLATANT AD!!!!!

Hi Bob,               I meet about 80% of your list with the smoke fluid I sell. I just can't seem to get it in an envelope with the bottle. :) But I do give a 100% money back refund  (the shipping also).  Mike S.    4oz bottle $10.00 + $3.50 shipping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27322	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: TEST ONLY

JUST A TEST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27323	From: roy inman	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!

Well, having been a self-employed person for 17 years, and having shipped hundreds of product around the globe, I can tell you that if I would have charged only the actual cost of shipping, I would have been losing money. Someone has to physically put his/her hands on the item, properly package it, take it to the PO or whatever shipper, and that means time. From an accounting point of view, the cost of various phases of production and distribution to the final consumer needs to be broken down, including handling charges. Unless one can coerce one's relative or some kind neighbor to work for free, that time translates to money: no one likes to work for free. If the seller is pursuing the auctions as a hobby, then all bets are off. Some kind folks will pay shipping out of their own pockets, and more power to them. But, if they are trying to operate as a business, they will be losing money. Now if the cost of handling, as opposed to the actual shipping charges can be built into the auction price in terms of a reserve, fine and dandy. My dos centavos. Cheers :) Roy Inman > From: TWesthelle@... > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:31:32 -0400 (EDT) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge! > > > No one, in my opinion, is asking anyone to lose money during the shipment of > their auctions, but to use it as a way to increase profits, that is unethical.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27324	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!

you should ask the seller up front before you bid if you can combine shipping,that way no one is surprissed when he charges you for both lots,we all know shipping cost are high,and we all just want a fair deal. lou. ----- Original Message ----- From: <TWesthelle@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge! > This has now gone into the ridiculous. > Shipping should be as close as possible to the actual costs of shipping, and > if required by the seller, a dollar or two for materials, of course, any > additional costs for materials, plus the cost of actual shipping should be clearly > stated in the auction. > > The combination of two auctions should reduce the total shipping costs to > some extent, but with the original shipping fees of over $20 for the two auctions > and no refund originally stated is obsurd. > > No one, in my opinion, is asking anyone to lose money during the shipment of > their auctions, but to use it as a way to increase profits, that is unethical. > > My two cents, or whatever the actual costs are calculated to be for ones > opinions. > > Tom Westhelle > Oviedo, FL > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27325	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge! & BLATANT AD!!!!!

Mike, I don't know what 80% of what list you are refering to. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: > Hi Bob, > I meet about 80% of your list with the smoke fluid I sell. I > just can't seem to get it in an envelope with the bottle. :) But I do give a > 100% money back refund (the shipping also). Mike S. > > 4oz bottle $10.00 + $3.50 shipping > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27326	From: Robert Wight	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Tom's track layouts

Recall not to long ago Paul posted on his site Tom's track layouts. I cant seem to find them. Can anyone send me a link please? Thanks yours in model railroading Bob W. Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27327	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!

Roy, You hit the nail on the head. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, roy inman <rinphoto@e...> wrote: > Well, having been a self-employed person for 17 years, and having shipped > hundreds of product around the globe, I can tell you that if I would have > charged only the actual cost of shipping, I would have been losing money. > Someone has to physically put his/her hands on the item, properly package > it, take it to the PO or whatever shipper, and that means time. > From an accounting point of view, the cost of various phases of production > and distribution to the final consumer needs to be broken down, including > handling charges. Unless one can coerce one's relative or some kind neighbor > to work for free, that time translates to money: no one likes to work for > free. > If the seller is pursuing the auctions as a hobby, then all bets are off. > Some kind folks will pay shipping out of their own pockets, and more power > to them. > But, if they are trying to operate as a business, they will be losing money. > Now if the cost of handling, as opposed to the actual shipping charges can > be built into the auction price in terms of a reserve, fine and dandy. > My dos centavos. > Cheers :) > Roy Inman > > From: TWesthelle@a... > > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 11:31:32 -0400 (EDT) > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge! > > > > > > No one, in my opinion, is asking anyone to lose money during the shipment of > > their auctions, but to use it as a way to increase profits, that is unethical.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27328	From: Neil Becker	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: MRC Pure Power Dual

Anyone tried or wish to comment on MRC's Pure Power Dual (ad in November CTT)? MRC's O27 Dual had issues. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27329	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Tom's track layouts

Hey Bob, Try this www.S-Scale.org/albums/albun35 Barb Robert Wight wrote: > Recall not to long ago Paul posted on his site Tom's track layouts. I cant > seem to find them. Can anyone send me a link please? > Thanks > yours in model railroading > Bob W. > > Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains > http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord > > _________________________________________________________________ > Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now > FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27330	From: editor	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Central Jersey S Scale Show is Now History

Greetings Everyone, Just a short note to thank the Central Jersey S Scalers for their wonderful show & hospitality this past weekend! I'd guess that there were about 80 attendees from as far as Michigan & Chicago to the north/west & Massachusetts to the East & of course, from the far east (England). If you didn't bother attending, this show is a once-a-year get together and *dragging* the module layout from the attic of the church auditorium to run trains. I can honestly state that I did not see a single piece of equipment hit the floor. Of course, Debbie & I were pretty busy taking in a bunch of new S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Subscribers (Thank You!). BTW These Central S Scalers really know how to feed their guests! An endless supply of Dunkin Donuts and a great Saturday night buffet. Heck, the cost of the meal was worth it just to have the S-Helper folks serve the food. See you next year! Debbie & Ben Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 0056 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27331	From: editor	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2020: Atlas O Scale Turntable

Greetings Everyone, For those who are into a little*kit-bashing*, the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide with be running a 3-part article beginning the December Issue by Todd Ferguson on upgrading & converting the Walther's HO turntable & pit to S Scale / S-Narrow Gauge. Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 0056 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27332	From: editor	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Joint Compound - Drywall Spackling

Subject: Hi DeWayne and colleagues, I have used drywall compound on several layouts. It is easy to work with and very forgiving. I don't dilute it. I do stir the bucket to make it smooth and uniform. For substrate, I use screening (metal is best, plastic is OK) over cardboard forms. Spread the layer on with enough pressure to force small 'keys' of material through the screen holes, but ... FYI When you are at you local home improvement store to purchase the "dry wall spackle, march right over to the paint department 7 purchase a tube of color pigment to mix with the spackle. Obviously, if you plan to model earth tone, you friendly specialist with guide you to the sienna, et cetera. This effort may save you 'snow blindness' as you muddle along as well as instant 'color' rather that having to begin your scenery with whiteness. Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 0056 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27333	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, September 28, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27334	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!

If you are in business, you are free to charge what ever handling fee you care to, just as I am free to avoid doing business with you because I don't care for your handling charges. I feel that "shipping and handling" is part of the cost of doing business. Having said that, most businesses do have such charges. I often look for the combination of best price and lowest shipping charge. Sometimes you can find free shipping! To me when I am charged a handling fee, it is like the sales person in a store charging me for waiting on me, or the garage tacking on a fee for the rags they used while repairing my car. I feel cheated, period. I do not expect handling charges from eBay sellers, especially fellow train collectors, who are not in business. Many an auction have I not bid on due to excessive shipping costs stated up front by the seller. I attempt to charge my own eBay winners exact costs, period. When I underestimate, I pay. When I go considerably over, I refund. I feel that is honest. Thats me! My experience has been that some of the people with the greatest handling charges, do the worst job of packing, which makes you feel all the more burned. Decent shipping terms stated up front in your auction, may result in a much higher ending price. This may not be always true, but I am sure it is often the case. Just my opinion!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27335	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!

I have one question, you said, "I feel that "shipping and handling" is part of the cost of doing business." So if busineses don't get the money from the buyer, do they have to go get a part time job to pay those costs? Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > If you are in business, you are free to charge what ever handling fee > you care to, just as I am free to avoid doing business with you because > I don't care for your handling charges. I feel that "shipping and > handling" is part of the cost of doing business. Having said that, most > businesses do have such charges. I often look for the combination of > best price and lowest shipping charge. Sometimes you can find free shipping! > > To me when I am charged a handling fee, it is like the sales person in a > store charging me for waiting on me, or the garage tacking on a fee for > the rags they used while repairing my car. I feel cheated, period. > > I do not expect handling charges from eBay sellers, especially fellow > train collectors, who are not in business. Many an auction have I not > bid on due to excessive shipping costs stated up front by the seller. I > attempt to charge my own eBay winners exact costs, period. When I > underestimate, I pay. When I go considerably over, I refund. I feel that > is honest. Thats me! > > My experience has been that some of the people with the greatest > handling charges, do the worst job of packing, which makes you feel all > the more burned. > > Decent shipping terms stated up front in your auction, may result in a > much higher ending price. This may not be always true, but I am sure it > is often the case. > > Just my opinion!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27336	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!

Handling costs would be better built into the price of the items you sell, in my opinion. Amazon.com found out when they gave free shipping on orders over $25, that their business greatly increased. When I buy from them, I almost always have to look for a 2nd item to purchase to get above the $25 mark. I do, and never pay shipping... To rephrase, I expect to pay shipping, I prefer not to pay for handling. Actually I meant to say that "handling costs" are part of the cost of doing business.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27337	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!

If you want to run a business, run your business. When I purchase anything at any retail outlet, when checking out, the price has been negatiated prior checking out. The are not free to tell me that there is an additional fee of X dollars for the cash register tape, the bag used to put my purchase in, or the expense of maintaining a employee lounge. EBay and Internet sales seem to think they can charge anything they want, when they want, and that IS THE PROBLEM. If you want to charge me $2.00 for a replacement part, and $5.00 for the first item shipped and then an additional $3.00 for the second item, I find it rather difficult to justify spending more for shipping and handling than I would for the parts. The people that run their businesses here are asking those of us that are here for hobby purposes to basically agree that we should pay whatever is asked, I for one will not. The sponsor of this list is an example of how to conduct a business here, his pricing for shipping and handling is usually a part of the up front price, and in other cases his price for shipping is what I would think is below the actually postage costs. Maybe those of you that feel the practice is so unfair should ask for his perception of this all. Thanks again for the forum, Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL 32765

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27338	From: roy inman	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!

Yes, handling costs are a part of doing business, and we were making the same point. My point was that those costs have to somehow be paid or else the business is soon out of business, especially in this Depression. There is nothing unethical (as one writer posted) about adding the true costs of getting the product from manufacturer to consumer. Two schools of thought (at least) here: In one case, a seller may include the cost of handling the item in preparation for shipping, and add that cost to the advertised price. His price may be higher than someone else who advertises the same thing at a lower price, then tacks on the S&H at the time of the sale. Which is the smarter way for a seller to operate? Probably depends upon the product, how marketed, etc., etc. Flip a coin. In the meantime, I cordially invite any and all S-folks, relatives and neighbors over to my warehouse to work for free packing up my gizmos for shipping. I will supply the coffee for your 15 minute breaks :) Cheers, Roy Inman ---------- > From: Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:02:29 -0700 > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge! > > Handling costs would be better built into the price of the items you > sell, in my opinion. > > Amazon.com found out when they gave free shipping on orders over $25, > that their business greatly increased. When I buy from them, I almost > always have to look for a 2nd item to purchase to get above the $25 > mark. I do, and never pay shipping... > > To rephrase, I expect to pay shipping, I prefer not to pay for handling. > Actually I meant to say that "handling costs" are part of the cost of > doing business. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27339	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!

OK, were do you get the "handling charge" from? As for adding it to the price of an item, how much do you raise the price of a 60 cent bulb, to cover handling? If you raised the price of every item, so that your costs are covered, even if someone buys just a 60 cent bulb, don't you see that you would wind up paying more in the long run? Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > Handling costs would be better built into the price of the items you > sell, in my opinion. > > Amazon.com found out when they gave free shipping on orders over $25, > that their business greatly increased. When I buy from them, I almost > always have to look for a 2nd item to purchase to get above the $25 > mark. I do, and never pay shipping... > > To rephrase, I expect to pay shipping, I prefer not to pay for handling. > Actually I meant to say that "handling costs" are part of the cost of > doing business.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27340	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!

Roy, I used the word "unethical" in my posting. I stand by my verbiage if in fact a seller, weather it be an individual or a business using a non-stated shipping and handling charge or fee to increase the profit made from the sale of any item. If an item has a begining bid of $10, and the seller must make $20 to keep his business from going under, as you state, he should set his beginning bid at the price needed, and clearly state in the auction the amount that will be charged for shipping and if he must, handling. I truely believe what we are seeing during this volley of exchange over this topic is the business people defending each others actions. Next time I place an order with anyone who feels the cost of doing business is so high, maybe I should begin to assess the business I place an order with some kind of handling fee, or adminsitrative fee for my time to place the order, the stationary I use to compile my list, and of course the postage used to send the order. That sounds about as fair as their charging me. I believe the Friendly Challenge would be for us all to clearly state any costs involved in the auction description, so I or anyone has the ability to know the total upfront costs to bid and possibly win the auction. That is the fair way to conduct ourselves here and in all of lifes dealings. Again, just my thoughts. Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL 32765

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27341	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge!

First, you are paying for all those things at the store and a lot more, it's just in the price of the item where you can't see it. Plus you drove to the store, paid for the gas, insurance, car, etc. etc. Those are tranportation costs that the store shifted over to you. Second, just because we keep the cost of parts low, that doesn't mean all the supplies, labor and other costs are free. It cost the same whether you pay someone to put a $2.00 part or a $100 part in a box. Oh, Mr. postman this is a hobby don't charge us, OH Mr. box maker etc. ect. ect. But we'll drop all our shipping charges, just be in on time. We start work at 8 AM and work till 10 or 11 PM. Bring your lunch, coffee etc., no breaks or pay, see yea. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, TWesthelle@a... wrote: > If you want to run a business, run your business. > When I purchase anything at any retail outlet, when checking out, the price > has been negatiated prior checking out. The are not free to tell me that there > is an additional fee of X dollars for the cash register tape, the bag used to > put my purchase in, or the expense of maintaining a employee lounge. > EBay and Internet sales seem to think they can charge anything they want, > when they want, and that IS THE PROBLEM. > If you want to charge me $2.00 for a replacement part, and $5.00 for the > first item shipped and then an additional $3.00 for the second item, I find it > rather difficult to justify spending more for shipping and handling than I would > for the parts. > The people that run their businesses here are asking those of us that are > here for hobby purposes to basically agree that we should pay whatever is asked, > I for one will not. > The sponsor of this list is an example of how to conduct a business here, his > pricing for shipping and handling is usually a part of the up front price, > and in other cases his price for shipping is what I would think is below the > actually postage costs. > Maybe those of you that feel the practice is so unfair should ask for his > perception of this all. > Thanks again for the forum, > Tom Westhelle > Oviedo, FL 32765

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27342	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!

Tom, We state cleary on our website, on our order forms and in our catalog what our charges are. We also state cleary in every auction our $3.00 S&H charge. We also explain the $3.00 charge and what it covers and why, on our about me page. On a $1.99 part, it's hard to pay for listing fees, final value fee, processing fees and then packaging etc. The fees are more than the the $1.99. You may not like the facts, but we have to live with them. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, TWesthelle@a... wrote: > Roy, > I used the word "unethical" in my posting. I stand by my verbiage if in fact > a seller, weather it be an individual or a business using a non- stated > shipping and handling charge or fee to increase the profit made from the sale of any > item. > If an item has a begining bid of $10, and the seller must make $20 to keep > his business from going under, as you state, he should set his beginning bid at > the price needed, and clearly state in the auction the amount that will be > charged for shipping and if he must, handling. > I truely believe what we are seeing during this volley of exchange over this > topic is the business people defending each others actions. > Next time I place an order with anyone who feels the cost of doing business > is so high, maybe I should begin to assess the business I place an order with > some kind of handling fee, or adminsitrative fee for my time to place the > order, the stationary I use to compile my list, and of course the postage used to > send the order. That sounds about as fair as their charging me. > I believe the Friendly Challenge would be for us all to clearly state any > costs involved in the auction description, so I or anyone has the ability to know > the total upfront costs to bid and possibly win the auction. > That is the fair way to conduct ourselves here and in all of lifes dealings. > > Again, just my thoughts. > > Tom Westhelle > Oviedo, FL 32765

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27343	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /s-chat-9-28-03.txt Uploaded by : myflyertrains <myflyertrains@...> Description : s-trains transcript from 9-28-03 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/s-chat-9-28-03.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, myflyertrains <myflyertrains@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27344	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Flyerville buildings

Can anyone tell me who made the repro flyerville buildings? i. e. the factory, barn etc. thanks Al Paolozzi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27345	From: mcconnell63	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Tracks

I want to thank the group members for the information they gave me for the new AF tracks. Thanks, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27346	From: waldootten	Date: 9/28/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas O turntable

Dick -- I bought one a few months ago with the idea of adapting it but it's not on my layout yet. I need something that will accomodate the 332s, K335s and 336s I have, and it will take a 24-inch locomotive with no problem. (The top of the layout is homasote on top of half- inch plywood.) That said, I plan to cut a circle of homasote the exact size of the TT and drop it in. It looks like the TT height (0.74 inches to the top of the imbedded rails) will come somewhat close to matching the height of the adjacent homasote (0.53 inches). I believe that the TT height was designed to accomodate that "L-type" 3-rail tinplate track laid on roadbed -- to get a near-perfect alignment on a flat surface. The Atlas TT has 3 rails built into the bridgework that can be converted to two-rail ... but not OUR two-rail. So one plan is to use some instant roadbed right over the top and place my AM rail on top of it. By cutting the TT into the homasote, I should make up some of the difference in height (that 0.53 inches), to start. Then with some creative shimming, I should be able to get there where everything matches on and off the TT. Thanks to my caliper, I figure I'll need to shim the rails coming in to the TT about 0.20 inches if I use instant roadbed on the TT surface (0.125 inches thick) or even better, (this is plan 2) about .075 inches if I lay to rails right on top of the TT bed. The rails imbedded in the TT can be colored to hide them, or I may lay a thin piece of stained wood veneer over them to cover them up. Then I'll just have to wire my AM track to the imbedded rails and it should be ready to go. What I liked about the Atlas TT is is slow speed and perfect automatic indexing system. For $150, how can ya go wrong? Hope this helps. Phil K _____________________________________________________________________ _ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rkuepper" <rkuepper@a...> wrote: > Don't drum me out, no blasphemy intended! (and I didn't use the "L" word, anyway). I've been eyeing the Atlas turntable for my layout. Has anyone tried to convert it to S track? The problem is none of the hobby shops around here have them, so I haven't been able to see one face to face. > > I have one of Doug Peck's TTs in a box, but I'm not sure I want to go through all the work to install it. > > Thanks. > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27347	From: Lindsay Thompson	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Postage

I have been watching the debate about postage from down here in New Zealand and can tell you that I use prepaid post bags for all of 'Colonials' figure orders. This takes the guess work out of sending items off. For example, to send an order up to 500grams ( or about 1lb) costs approximately US$10 anywhere in the world and thus I, and you, know I have a standardised price for postage. I pack the figures in bubble wrap and the 'postie bags' have bubble wrap in them as well. I guess what I am trying to say is if you really care about your customer you will try and make it as easy as you can for them. Kindest Regards Lindsay Thompson www.colonials.co.nz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27348	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello all, I was not aware that the Sunday night chat was being recorded and posted on this board. I have no problem with this, but would appreciate being informed of such practices so I can decide whether to participate. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27349	From: Robert Wight	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge!

Good point. I just dont deal with them anymore. thats why I just stick with Doug at Port Lines or Joe at Joes Train Repair. They have always been extremly fair and go the extra mile for me so they get my business exclussivly. also it seems so far they manage to stay in business being this way. my 2 cents worth too. bob W. Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: TWesthelle@... To: rinphoto@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Re: A Friendly Challenge! Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:57:25 EDT Roy, I used the word "unethical" in my posting. I stand by my verbiage if in fact a seller, weather it be an individual or a business using a non-stated shipping and handling charge or fee to increase the profit made from the sale of any item. If an item has a begining bid of $10, and the seller must make $20 to keep his business from going under, as you state, he should set his beginning bid at the price needed, and clearly state in the auction the amount that will be charged for shipping and if he must, handling. I truely believe what we are seeing during this volley of exchange over this topic is the business people defending each others actions. Next time I place an order with anyone who feels the cost of doing business is so high, maybe I should begin to assess the business I place an order with some kind of handling fee, or adminsitrative fee for my time to place the order, the stationary I use to compile my list, and of course the postage used to send the order. That sounds about as fair as their charging me. I believe the Friendly Challenge would be for us all to clearly state any costs involved in the auction description, so I or anyone has the ability to know the total upfront costs to bid and possibly win the auction. That is the fair way to conduct ourselves here and in all of lifes dealings. Again, just my thoughts. Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL 32765 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27350	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: gee a sort of friendly challenge

Morning This sort of like paying 15,000 dollars for the wedding, but wanting to hagle over the pirce of the baked potato... The postage, UPS charges, Fedex charges or what ever is what it takes to get it from my place to yours...You pay for the item and if you don't go pick it up you gotta pay shipping charges....pretty simple like getting a loan...sign the paper....Now if you go pick the item up, besides whatever it takes to get from your place to mine and back, you are going to get to pay sales tax, which when up around a 100 bucks is about the range of shipping charges. Insurance, from the stand point of a seller or a shipper, me, I do this for me most of the time, I do include it in my ebay listing as an extra, but this is for me not you, if it gets lost or busted, I can at least recoup enough to return your money, or else I am out the item and out the money back to you....this is another cost Handling...ok pretty vague sometimes, other times real simple, like I recall the sale of a lathe, there was a shipping amount, then there was a $125 charge for building a crate for the lathe...well that is to protect what you bought....so pieces aren't laying in Milwaukee and Chicago and St Louis and Springfield and Joplin..... AAAAhhhhh combining items, now there is a real mess, sometimes this can be done and save money, but you can't expect a second shipping charge to be dropped completely if one pound is $3.35 and the other item is a pound also, don't ask to reduce the charges to $4.35, good chance I just cost myself $2, even though I do appreciate both sales..... Home based operations in S products are the best bargain you can find, cause you are buying a $20 kit that it probably took $50 to put it all in one box....We made a kit in 1974, that involved about 45 minutes soldering on each roof walk, in order to get the car past the pain in the rear stage for easy assembly....at the time $40 car kit were unheard of, and no way the kit would have sold at all, so we priced it at $9.95, cause it would not have sold at $13.95 at the time either, but it was a car that I wanted to offer, I wanted for myself, and there wasn't a car like it in S at the time...was it a money maker no, did we sell kits, yes, if there was a return on the production it would have been about $1 or $2, which we plowed back into the business...Instead of spending 3 or 4 hours packing kits at night or evening, I could have worked that same time and been $80 ahead, not bought the wood, not bought the decals, not bought the etchings.... All this comes down to one real simple thing, if you want an item buy it, if you want the item in your own hot hand, pay the charges necessary to get it to you, and if you want to save the shipping charges see about making arrangements to go pick it up yourself. See there is a simple choice, just pick the method that suits you best.... gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27351	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

The file has been deleted. Not a good idea I guess. I appologize! Chuck Bull_Gator_1 wrote: >Hello all, > >I was not aware that the Sunday night chat was being recorded and >posted on this board. I have no problem with this, but would >appreciate being informed of such practices so I can decide whether >to participate. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27352	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Not really a bad idea! In fact may entice new participants but people do need to know the parameters Clay --- Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> scrawled: > The file has been deleted. Not a good idea I guess. > > I appologize! > > Chuck > > Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > > >Hello all, > > > >I was not aware that the Sunday night chat was > being recorded and > >posted on this board. I have no problem with this, > but would > >appreciate being informed of such practices so I > can decide whether > >to participate. > > > > > > > > ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27353	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hi all: > I enjoyed reading it as I couldn't make 2:00 am from here to join in > this week. It is interesting in that a lot of the discussions are > more useful than one would expect, and seeing it in writing, rather > than having to scroll back to see some of the comments is a lot > easier. Anyhow, as long as everyone knows what is happening, I think > it would be nice to have it up until the next week, and then the > week's before could be deleted and the new week's added. Gives a > person like me a chance to see what is going on without losing all > that "beauty sleep" (note: it is too late for that!!!) > Regards, > Rance Velapoldi Norway (where we are 6 hours ahead of you all on the > east coast.) Clay Buckage wrote: >Not really a bad idea! >In fact may entice new participants >but people do need to know the parameters > >Clay > >--- Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> >scrawled: > > >>The file has been deleted. Not a good idea I guess. >> >>I appologize! >> >>Chuck >> >>Bull_Gator_1 wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello all, >>> >>>I was not aware that the Sunday night chat was >>> >>> >>being recorded and >> >> >>>posted on this board. I have no problem with this, >>> >>> >>but would >> >> >>>appreciate being informed of such practices so I >>> >>> >>can decide whether >> >> >>>to participate. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >===== >Clay Buckage >Dave's Twacks & Twains >Box 388 >Tatamy, Pa. 18085 >clay@... >www.davestnt.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27354	From: Vin Kosobiecki	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Checking E-mail !!!!!!!

Just checking, Delete............ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27355	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

The chat was not deliberately recorded. I have been experimenting with MS Internet Explorer running on the Linux OS. (neat!) After the chat, I noticed that I could scroll back and see the entire chat, unlike in Windows where you only see a couple of dozen lines or so. I thought that people who missed the chat, or had never been in one, would enjoy looking back at it, and that people who were in it, might enjoy being able to see links that were given, that scrolled off, etc... I never dreamed anyone could ever take any offense to this. The chat after all is pretty public, and my perception of the Internet is that once you send something out in to the vast void of the Internet, that it is likely floating around out there somewhere for millenia. In short, comments that you do not want seen by everyone or repeated, probably should not be sent to the chat or any mailing list. But certainly, if someone would consider whether to chat or not, based on a transcript being posted, than I guess we would not want to post the transcript. Again, I deleted the file. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Harrington wrote: >The file has been deleted. Not a good idea I guess. > >I appologize! > >Chuck > >Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > > > >>Hello all, >> >>I was not aware that the Sunday night chat was being recorded and >>posted on this board. I have no problem with this, but would >>appreciate being informed of such practices so I can decide whether >>to participate. >> >> >> >> >> > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27356	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

It was not my intention to have the file removed. I just felt that if the chat is to be posted, then everyone should be aware that it will be posted. I've seen several times when the chat got into territory that probably was best left unpublished and if the parties involved had known they might be published, the topics might have been handled differently. That's all - no censorship - just courtesy. On a related topic, I'm not sure how other software handles the chat pages. I'm running WIN98 and IE. When I enter the chat room I usually see the previous 5 - 10 minutes of chat that occured before I entered. I can then scroll from there all the way to the lastest message, so it is relatively easy to record the chat from before you enter until you are ready to leave. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27357	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Chuck, When I ask a question of the group during a chat, I end up taking a lot of notes for myself. If I could review the chat, I wouldn't have to do that. I read the entire chat (before you deleted it) and saw some things I missed. Barb Chuck Harrington wrote: > The chat was not deliberately recorded. I have been experimenting with > MS Internet Explorer running on the Linux OS. (neat!) After the chat, I > noticed that I could scroll back and see the entire chat, unlike in > Windows where you only see a couple of dozen lines or so. I thought that > people who missed the chat, or had never been in one, would enjoy > looking back at it, and that people who were in it, might enjoy being > able to see links that were given, that scrolled off, etc... > > I never dreamed anyone could ever take any offense to this. The chat > after all is pretty public, and my perception of the Internet is that > once you send something out in to the vast void of the Internet, that it > is likely floating around out there somewhere for millenia. In short, > comments that you do not want seen by everyone or repeated, probably > should not be sent to the chat or any mailing list. But certainly, if > someone would consider whether to chat or not, based on a transcript > being posted, than I guess we would not want to post the transcript. > > Again, I deleted the file. > > Thanks, Chuck > > Chuck Harrington wrote: > > >The file has been deleted. Not a good idea I guess. > > > >I appologize! > > > >Chuck > > > >Bull_Gator_1 wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hello all, > >> > >>I was not aware that the Sunday night chat was being recorded and > >>posted on this board. I have no problem with this, but would > >>appreciate being informed of such practices so I can decide whether > >>to participate. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27358	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

--- Barbara Rudnicki <rcespeak@...> scrawled: > Chuck, > > When I ask a question of the group during a chat, I > end up taking a lot of notes for myself. If I could > review the chat, I wouldn't have to do that. I read > the entire chat (before you deleted it) and saw some > things I missed. > > Barb > > Chuck Harrington wrote: > > > The chat was not deliberately recorded. I have > been experimenting with > > MS Internet Explorer running on the Linux OS. > (neat!) After the chat, I > > noticed that I could scroll back and see the <snip> That looks like 4 votes for posting and none against so far. Clay ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27359	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Shipping charges.....

Gale wrote:**((( if you want the item in your own hot hand, pay the charges necessary to get it to you))*** That is what this thread was all about, (I thought).....I don't mind paying the charges that are NECESSARY to get the goods to me,....it's the GOUGING that I and others have a problem with!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27360	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: gee a sort of friendly challenge

Larry, I would guess the difference in opinion we have is where the point of ownership changes hands...If I sell something it is my job to see that it gets to the buyer in a useable form, otherwise I had to provide him another when all is said and done....once it is in his hands and he drops it it is his problem. And your case in point on the lcl shipment, the handling of that shipment, as far as unloading or moving inside is all covered in the tarriffs that company subscribes to...additional services such as moving, uncrating, and so on can be provided and charges accordingly...and once the delivery is made at that point the transportation company has full filled its obligation to transport... gale hall >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27361	From: John Brockmann	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping charges.....

Correct! Gouging is not a good practice,whoever does it and by whatever name you call it, shipping,handling,postage,etc. Whatever happened to customer service and "The customer is always right?" When I sell on ebay I pay for all S&H and usually I have a great response. I do not run any business, but I think we are all adult enough to know what it takes to run one.My two cents,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > Gale wrote:**((( if you want the item in your own hot hand, pay the charges necessary to get it to you))*** > > That is what this thread was all about, (I thought).....I don't mind paying the > charges that are NECESSARY to get the goods to me,....it's the GOUGING > that I and others have a problem with!!! > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27362	From: rfgiardina	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: Shipping charges.....

"I do not run any business, but I think we are all adult enough to know what it takes to run one." Then why are there so many first year business failures? Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@a...> wrote: > Correct! Gouging is not a good practice,whoever does it and by > whatever name you call it, shipping,handling,postage,etc. Whatever > happened to customer service and "The customer is always right?" When > I sell on ebay I pay for all S&H and usually I have a great response. > I do not run any business, but I think we are all adult enough to > know what it takes to run one.My two cents,John B. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > > Gale wrote:**((( if you want the item in your own hot hand, pay the > charges necessary to get it to you))*** > > > > That is what this thread was all about, (I thought).....I don't > mind paying the > > charges that are NECESSARY to get the goods to me,....it's the > GOUGING > > that I and others have a problem with!!! > > > > Rick. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27363	From: Gale Hall	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] gee a sort of friendly challenge

----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] gee a sort of friendly challenge > Sir: > It is not your opinion or MY opinion. It is what the Supreme Court Of > the US of A said. When you give the package to the Carrier, It is no > longer yours. The court also has ruled that The USPS is not responsible > for lost mail. A company sent their Tax return to the IRS and the post > office lost it. The IRS came back against the company for not filling a > return and they had to pay a lot of penalties. They sued the USPS to > get their money back. The Court ruled the USPS was not responsible. > That is why I send my returns by certified mail with return receipt. > They are responsible because they entered it to a contract with you to > see it gets there and let you know when it does. > This is not meant to make any one upset. It is just what the law says. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > > On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 01:25 PM, Gale Hall wrote: > > > Larry, > > > > I would guess the difference in opinion we have is where the point of > > ownership changes hands...If I sell something it is my job to see that > > it > > gets to the buyer in a useable form, otherwise I had to provide him > > another > > when all is said and done....once it is in his hands and he drops it > > it is > > his problem. > > > > And your case in point on the lcl shipment, the handling of that > > shipment, > > as far as unloading or moving inside is all covered in the tarriffs > > that > > company subscribes to...additional services such as moving, uncrating, > > and > > so on can be provided and charges accordingly...and once the delivery > > is > > made at that point the transportation company has full filled its > > obligation > > to transport... > > > > gale hall > > > > > >> > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27364	From: Tom Young	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas O turntable---shipping charges

Hey guy's, now this is the type of subject we should be talking about. Not shipping fee's. Know what your paying up front and if it bother's you, go somewhere else. It's up to you. You're all adult's, No one is forcing you. People in business are entitled to charge what they want to cover their expenses. As previously posted, it cost's money to wrap packages including material and labor. I'm not talking about the jerk with the hidden high charges. Ebay? Look at feedback, that will help tremendously. In over a hundred purchase's on Ebay for AF engines and various items, I had one minor complaint, it was a Comet engine. Advertised as excellent, and it was, at least cosmetically. Ran good, but noisy as hell, needed chassis re-bushed. E-mailed seller, complained, he was sorry and sent me a check for 1/3 of what I paid him within a week. Moral, don't buy if you don't like or can't find out total charges. Be glad you you have the ability to buy such item's while sitting in a comfortable chair. Be glad you don't have to get in your car and drive your car to go buy that special item you need. Buy from reputable "S" dealer's, we all know who they are. Please, the shipping thread is dead, let's get on with more interesting subjects like it used to be. Tom waldootten wrote: > Dick -- > > I bought one a few months ago with the idea of adapting it but it's > not on my layout yet. I need something that will accomodate the > 332s, K335s and 336s I have, and it will take a 24-inch locomotive > with no problem. (The top of the layout is homasote on top of half- > inch plywood.) > > That said, I plan to cut a circle of homasote the exact size of the > TT and drop it in. It looks like the TT height (0.74 inches to the > top of the imbedded rails) will come somewhat close to matching the > height of the adjacent homasote (0.53 inches). I believe that the TT > height was designed to accomodate that "L-type" 3-rail tinplate > track laid on roadbed -- to get a near-perfect alignment on a flat > surface. > > The Atlas TT has 3 rails built into the bridgework that can be > converted to two-rail ... but not OUR two-rail. So one plan is to > use some instant roadbed right over the top and place my AM rail on > top of it. > > By cutting the TT into the homasote, I should make up some of the > difference in height (that 0.53 inches), to start. Then with some > creative shimming, I should be able to get there where everything > matches on and off the TT. Thanks to my caliper, I figure I'll need > to shim the rails coming in to the TT about 0.20 inches if I use > instant roadbed on the TT surface (0.125 inches thick) or even > better, (this is plan 2) about .075 inches if I lay to rails right > on top of the TT bed. The rails imbedded in the TT can be colored to > hide them, or I may lay a thin piece of stained wood veneer over > them to cover them up. Then I'll just have to wire my AM track to > the imbedded rails and it should be ready to go. > > What I liked about the Atlas TT is is slow speed and perfect > automatic indexing system. For $150, how can ya go wrong? > > Hope this helps. > > Phil K > > _____________________________________________________________________ > _ > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rkuepper" <rkuepper@a...> wrote: > > Don't drum me out, no blasphemy intended! (and I didn't use > the "L" word, anyway). I've been eyeing the Atlas turntable for my > layout. Has anyone tried to convert it to S track? The problem is > none of the hobby shops around here have them, so I haven't been > able to see one face to face. > > > > I have one of Doug Peck's TTs in a box, but I'm not sure I want to > go through all the work to install it. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dick > > Aurora, OH > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27365	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: November MR Article on S Scale Trackage

Most informative. The article noted the issue with the S scale track guides. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27366	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Tracks: Wlecome to S!

Al, Welcome to S scale. I think you'll really like it. It has the best of what you remember from American Flyer with exciting new products like the ones you saw. I've included below links to two S scale track manufacturers. Each of them has the type of track that I think you saw. S scale is always looking for better ways to publicize itself. I noticed in your introductory statement that you said you hadn't seen the track in MR (Model Railroader). As a newcomer to S, do you think that advertising in MR is a good way to promote S? Incidentally, the November MR issue has an article on S scale track including discussion of the two manufacturers noted below. Good luck & welcome to S! Paul S. <A HREF="http://www.americanmodels.com/">Click here: American Flyer Compatible S gauge model trains from American Models.</A> <A HREF="http://www.showcaseline.com/">Click here: American Flyer Compatible S gauge model trains from the Showcase Line</A> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27367	From: Lance McCold	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Chat transcript: another vote in favor

I have never taken part in a chat but I would like the opportunity to read them. As to the question of objecting to posting a chat, I think participants have no rights. People should not be saying things in a chat that they would object to seeing posted. If someone posts a chat, he should feel at liberty to delete any material he thinks might be offensive, but people who participate should not rely on anyone to hide their mistakes. I would like to see the chat transcripts posted. Lance McCold

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27368	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Does Anyone object to the s-chat transcripts being posted?

OK, Is there anyone who participates in the live chats that objects to the transcipt of the chat being posted in the Files area at S-trains. Only s-train members have access to this area. AGAIN, DOES ANYONE OBJECT? Lance McCold wrote: >I have never taken part in a chat but I would like the opportunity to read them. > >As to the question of objecting to posting a chat, I think participants have no rights. People should not be saying things in a chat that they would object to seeing posted. If someone posts a chat, he should feel at liberty to delete any material he thinks might be offensive, but people who participate should not rely on anyone to hide their mistakes. > >I would like to see the chat transcripts posted. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27369	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Sunday Chat

If posting the chat gets one more person to come take part, I'm all for it. What do we have to hide? (Perhaps that we sometimes don't type too well, and there's no spell check on chat). The questions on chat, like those normally on the list should be open to all members. And, if posting helps some who may not get on at that time, all the better. If more people see it, then more may feel it would be worth the time to join in and get some of their questions ansered, or at least tossed around in real time. My two cents, jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27370	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: Does Anyone object to the s-chat transcripts being posted?

I certainly don't, especially when I miss one, then I can see what's going on. OTOH does this mean that meetings in the chat room on non-chat hours are being recorded? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27371	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: Would you like to see the transcript of Sunday night chat posted on the group's file page? o No ,not under any conditions o Yes ,without any conditions o Yes ,with restrictions o I don't care To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1140325 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27372	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/29/2003
Subject: Re: Posting Chat Transcript

I think that's a great idea... Because of other commitments I'm rarely able to be there at the scheduled chat times... this would open up conversation threads for later discussion... As Jfred stated If it allows one more person to particpate in some way so much the better....Karl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27373	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Atlas O turntable---shipping charges

Tom wrote---**((( Please, the shipping thread is dead, let's get on with more interesting subjects like it used to be.)))**** But we also need to remember,...one man's "interesting" subject..... is another man's "boring" subject. :^) Rick "I love the DELETE key" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27374	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Does Anyone object to the s-chat transcripts being posted?

Not I. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Harrington" <myflyertrains@...> Cc: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Does Anyone object to the s-chat transcripts being posted? > OK, > > Is there anyone who participates in the live chats that objects to the > transcipt of the chat being posted in the Files area at S-trains. Only > s-train members have access to this area. > > AGAIN, DOES ANYONE OBJECT? > > > > Lance McCold wrote: > > >I have never taken part in a chat but I would like the opportunity to read them. > > > >As to the question of objecting to posting a chat, I think participants have no rights. People should not be saying things in a chat that they would object to seeing posted. If someone posts a chat, he should feel at liberty to delete any material he thinks might be offensive, but people who participate should not rely on anyone to hide their mistakes. > > > >I would like to see the chat transcripts posted. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27375	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Does Anyone object to the s-chat transcripts being posted?

Im not sure about this recording of the chat transcripts, is this something that possibly may be published and even sold on EBay? If so, who profits from this wealth of information? So many questions that must be answered before making such a life-altering decision. Dare I ask what the shipping/handling costs would be for such a document or recording, such a dilema. ONLY KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!! If anything on this list or chat benefits anyones train knowledge, or is a forum to share information, I am in favor of it. Thanks, Tom Westhelle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27376	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Publishing Chat Transcripts

I guess it's time for me to give my opinion. But first ... Here are some facts. 1) Anyone can capture chat text and post it on the web. Thats just the way it is. 2) Whenever you are on the web, that comunication is subject to being re-published. (So be careful what you say) 3) Lots of people tell me they would love to join the chat but Sunday night is just not a good night for them. 4) I changed the welcome message in the chat room to: 'Welcome to our chat. Please remember this transcript may be posted in the S-Trains Yahoo club files: try to be pleasant and polite.' (Notice I said 'may' and not 'will'.) Now my opinions: 1) I hope this does not hurt chat, it is something I look forward to every week, and lots of others tell me the same thing. 2) Chat often gets a bit silly, I hope thet sillyness is not taken out of context and used to fuel endless theads on the list. 3) One of the advantages of chat is we can deal with issues in short order, that would drag on for days on the list. Now my requests: 1) If you are interested in chat, please make an effort to join us. We try to make everyone welcome. It is very different from the 'list experience'. 2) If the transcrips cause more trouble than good, please consider leaving the chat conversation to the chatters. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27377	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Publishing Chat Transcripts

What about distilling down the good points made - meeting notes style? Might be a faster reference to use. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27378	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Publishing Chat Transcripts

I feel compelled to add my $.02. I do not have an 'S' club anywhere near me. Nor any train club for that matter. So I am in this hobby and building my layout alone. Just me and my trains. When I run into a problem or have a question, you all are my teachers, coaches and problem solvers. I have never had a problem, thus far, that has not been solved by this group. The immediacy of the chat is an awesome thing. I can leave the chat and immediately apply what I have learned or implement suggestions I have received. Little did I realize when I joined that this group would also provide support when I needed it. I hope to be able to contribute and give back even a little of what I have received. If making the chat available to others who can not participate helps them is anyway, let's go for it. If I can reference a chat after-the-fact, I won't have to take so many notes while I am also trying to 'chat'. I too, look forward to each Sunday night. In fact, I arrange my calendar around it. I would hate to see the chat hurt in anyway. Thanks for the opportunity to add my $.02 ...Barb Paul Yorke wrote: > I guess it's time for me to give my opinion. > But first ... > Here are some facts. > 1) Anyone can capture chat text and post it on the > web. Thats just the way it is. > 2) Whenever you are on the web, that comunication is > subject to being re-published. (So be careful what you > say) > 3) Lots of people tell me they would love to join the > chat but Sunday night is just not a good night for > them. > 4) I changed the welcome message in the chat room to: > 'Welcome to our chat. Please remember this transcript > may be posted in the S-Trains Yahoo club files: try to > be pleasant and polite.' (Notice I said 'may' and not > 'will'.) > > Now my opinions: > 1) I hope this does not hurt chat, it is something I > look forward to every week, and lots of others tell me > the same thing. > 2) Chat often gets a bit silly, I hope thet sillyness > is not taken out of context and used to fuel endless > theads on the list. > 3) One of the advantages of chat is we can deal with > issues in short order, that would drag on for days on > the list. > > Now my requests: > 1) If you are interested in chat, please make an > effort to join us. We try to make everyone welcome. It > is very different from the 'list experience'. > 2) If the transcrips cause more trouble than good, > please consider leaving the chat conversation to the chatters. > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27379	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Publishing Chat Transcripts

Does the transcripts include any private messages or emails that are sent between chatters during the chat session? Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul Yorke <s_trains@y...> wrote: > I guess it's time for me to give my opinion. > But first ... > Here are some facts. > 1) Anyone can capture chat text and post it on the > web. Thats just the way it is. > 2) Whenever you are on the web, that comunication is > subject to being re-published. (So be careful what you > say) > 3) Lots of people tell me they would love to join the > chat but Sunday night is just not a good night for > them. > 4) I changed the welcome message in the chat room to: > 'Welcome to our chat. Please remember this transcript > may be posted in the S-Trains Yahoo club files: try to > be pleasant and polite.' (Notice I said 'may' and not > 'will'.) > > Now my opinions: > 1) I hope this does not hurt chat, it is something I > look forward to every week, and lots of others tell me > the same thing. > 2) Chat often gets a bit silly, I hope thet sillyness > is not taken out of context and used to fuel endless > theads on the list. > 3) One of the advantages of chat is we can deal with > issues in short order, that would drag on for days on > the list. > > Now my requests: > 1) If you are interested in chat, please make an > effort to join us. We try to make everyone welcome. It > is very different from the 'list experience'. > 2) If the transcrips cause more trouble than good, > please consider leaving the chat conversation to the chatters. > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27380	From: Bruce	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Flyer Paint

Is there a match for that light green paint on the Flyer accessaries that I can pick up at Wal-Mart/Hobby Lobby/etc. or do I need to order something special? Right now I need it to repaint an operating water tank base. This is an operational piece, not a collector's piece. And, what do you do (besides cry) about the tabs that break off when you untwist them? Those suckers were twisted almost 180 degrees! I'm surprised I only broke 3 getting the base off. Of course, I still need to get the base back on and I expect I'll lose a couple more then, too. I suppose I could epoxy some kind of replacement tab or other fastener and the wooden pylon base would cover it up. Learnin' the trade, Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27381	From: rkuepper	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Publishing Chat Transcripts

Well said, Paul!!! Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Publishing Chat Transcripts > I guess it's time for me to give my opinion. > But first ... > Here are some facts. > 1) Anyone can capture chat text and post it on the > web. Thats just the way it is. > 2) Whenever you are on the web, that comunication is > subject to being re-published. (So be careful what you > say) > 3) Lots of people tell me they would love to join the > chat but Sunday night is just not a good night for > them. > 4) I changed the welcome message in the chat room to: > 'Welcome to our chat. Please remember this transcript > may be posted in the S-Trains Yahoo club files: try to > be pleasant and polite.' (Notice I said 'may' and not > 'will'.) > > Now my opinions: > 1) I hope this does not hurt chat, it is something I > look forward to every week, and lots of others tell me > the same thing. > 2) Chat often gets a bit silly, I hope thet sillyness > is not taken out of context and used to fuel endless > theads on the list. > 3) One of the advantages of chat is we can deal with > issues in short order, that would drag on for days on > the list. > > Now my requests: > 1) If you are interested in chat, please make an > effort to join us. We try to make everyone welcome. It > is very different from the 'list experience'. > 2) If the transcrips cause more trouble than good, > please consider leaving the chat conversation to the chatters. > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27382	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Does Anyone object to the s-chat transcripts being posted?

No I do not object to the chat text being listed. This group of people have a lot to offer and if listing the chat text helps others then we as a group benefit from adding to the ranks of S modelers. My comments. Tom Rolfsmeyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27383	From: afjeff_56	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: River City Meet !!!

Hello Everyone !!! For those who live in Northern California Area. This coming Saturday The Sacramento Valley Division of the Toy Train Operating Society will hold thier annual open to the public large, River City Toy Train Meet. 10 AM to 3PM At the Scottish Rite Center... 6151 H Street, Sacramento, Ca. Toy Trains,Accessories,Parts & Supplies To Buy,Trade,or Sell Operating Train Layouts, Door Prizes and Refreshments Admission: Single $5.00 Families $9.00 Under 12 Free Yes! there will be American Flyer, S Helper & American Models and S Gauge Parts ...... For Information please contact me Jeff Silvera, (916)481-4694 or afjeff_56@... Hope to see some of You There !!! Thank's Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27384	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Arizona Train Meet?

I am going to be in the Phoenix area this weekend and I heard a rumor that there is a train show. Any truth? gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27385	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Paint

9/30/03 Hello all !!! As for the broken tabs I too would be interested on some input on "how to" As for a decent match for American Flyer Accessory Green, I have been using Rust-Oleum brand "Leafy Green," Satin Finish, item number 7934. It is a color in their "American Accents" line. Once the stuff dries real well and gets a bit of dust on it from sitting on the layout, it is a pretty decent match in my opinion. I bought my spray can at Home Depot, but I have seen this Rust-Oleum line at other stores. I am an operator, all Gilbert or reproductions thereof. I often buy the less expensive "beater" stuff and rescue it and return it as close as possible to the original. The Rust-Oleum seems to do a very good job. As a side note, I have noticed that the Accessory Green on original Gilbert pieces seems to vary from piece to piece and from time period to time period. I believe that the Rust-Oleum finish fits in pretty well with pieces that I have seen, as well as those on my layout. I would love to seen how the Rust-Oleum would compare to a mint Gilbert piece still in the box. I do not own any such pieces, but I lust for them !! : ) I suppose that the paint formula and the paint process at the Gilbert factory was not process controlled as we know it today, so the paint color varied a bit from batch to batch, supplier to supplier, month to month etc. Just my thoughts based on less than scientific observation. Perhaps someone on the list has some really neat inside scoop on this sort of thing?? I love it!!! Talk to you Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27386	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: 2nd Edition of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Guide

Fellow Flyer Fans!!! Many of you have asked me when a new updated edition of the TM American Flyer Guide would be made available. Today, I approved the final proofs of the American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guide 1946 - 2004. It should be available later in October -- about in time for York and most certainly in time of S-Fest. The 2nd edition updates and includes added information on variations, prices, a greatly expanded section on paper (with the collaboration of Andy Jugle), sets, and the very latest and most complete listing of Lionel production available in one handy source. The new edition is a straight forward pocket guide and complements the first edition with its history and picture sections. A picture of the cover, which makes use of retro catalog art, is on display on the TM web site at: http://www.tmbooks-video.com/index.htm. The new guide is to be offered at $12.95 (plus S+H) and will be available soon from S Gauge dealers and booksellers, as well as from TM Books and Video, New Buffalo, MI 49117. TM's toll free number is 800-892-2822. TM will also be offering very special package deals that include the 1st edition of the guide and the first American Flyer "Fun and Thrills" video, which you may find of value if you do not own them. I would like to thank the many (some who post here on S-Trains) on having provided helpful comments, suggestions, and pricing input in response to our first edition. I trust that this is reflected in the quality of our new edition. We appreciate your patronage. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27387	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Paint

Sorry, I don't know what color paint you should use. But your question about the broken tabs made me smile. I was thinking about the designers at Gilbert who laid out this item, probably around 1953. I would guess they intended it to be a toy and last 5 to 10 years. I'm imagining their surprise if you them their toy lasted 50 years, and now we are trying to restore it, and we wish they had used screws instead of tabs, so we could remove and re-attach the base. I don't know if they'd laugh at us, or if they'd be flattered that we still like their toys after 50 years. One thing for sure.....ain't no toys from 2003 that are still gonna be around and repairable in 2053. You can count on that! Good luck with the repair. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" <willisbd@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Paint > Is there a match for that light green paint on the Flyer accessaries > that I can pick up at Wal-Mart/Hobby Lobby/etc. or do I need to order > something special? Right now I need it to repaint an operating water > tank base. This is an operational piece, not a collector's piece. > And, what do you do (besides cry) about the tabs that break off when > you untwist them? Those suckers were twisted almost 180 degrees! > I'm surprised I only broke 3 getting the base off. Of course, I > still need to get the base back on and I expect I'll lose a couple > more then, too. I suppose I could epoxy some kind of replacement tab > or other fastener and the wooden pylon base would cover it up. > > Learnin' the trade, > Bruce > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27388	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2021

In reply. Once the fluid hit the envelope it all soaked in. I stuffed the envelope down the chimney of my burning IRS building and it poofed into a large bright cloud which soon developed into the raging inferno. Since the fire extinguisher was locked in the trunk of the car I was not able to calm the red messenger until the fire department arrive with the hook and ladder. Now I have a large hole in the front of the building where they smashed thru the front door to gain access to the smoldering wreckage. Thanks you for the prompt service. Robert E. Yablonski Message: 5 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:23:59 EDT From: anormal1@... Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge! & BLATANT AD!!!!! Hi Bob, I meet about 80% of your list with the smoke fluid I sell. I just can't seem to get it in an envelope with the bottle. :) But I do give a 100% money back refund (the shipping also). Mike S. 4oz bottle $10.00 + $3.50 shipping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27389	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2021

Sometimes handling is a state of mind. When I was in college I visited a house of ill repute. They had a real handling charge. R. Yablonski Message: 24 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:48:07 -0000 From: "rfgiardina" <rfgco@...> Subject: Re: A Friendly Challenge! OK, were do you get the "handling charge" from? As for adding it to the price of an item, how much do you raise the price of a 60 cent bulb, to cover handling? If you raised the price of every item, so that your costs are covered, even if someone buys just a 60 cent bulb, don't you see that you would wind up paying more in the long run? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27390	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Paint

Doug Peck at Port Lines hobby has an excellent match for the Flyer accessory green. As to the broken tabs, they are easily replaced with a 1/4 inch long piece of copper sheeting cut to width that you solder to the INSIDE of the frame where the tab was broken. Paint it the same color as the part that the tab broke off of and slap her together. I do this all the time on Flyer twist tab tenders. Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27391	From: Jim V	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Arizona Train Meet?

Arizona train-o-rama, Oct 4th 10A-3P North Phoenix Baptist Church Fellowship hall (entrance on Bethany Home Road) 5757 North Central Avenue Phoenix. Have fun JimV --- Gary Chidester <GChidester@...> wrote: > I am going to be in the Phoenix area this weekend > and I heard a rumor that > there is a train show. Any truth? > > gary > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27392	From: John Brockmann	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Train shows/Shops in Tampa

I will be on vacation in the Tampa/St.Pete area in november from the 5th thru the 14th. Any shows or shops for american flyer I should check out? Thanks in advance for the info. John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27393	From: Bruce	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Arizona Train Meet?

I'll be going to Phoenix for a couple days in November. Are there any train shops with S gauge that I should visit? My wife hopes the answer is 'no'. Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gary Chidester <GChidester@m...> wrote: > I am going to be in the Phoenix area this weekend and I heard a rumor that > there is a train show. Any truth? > > gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27394	From: theodore weiler	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Train shows/Shops in Tampa

I'll be leaving Saturday for the same area, then going to Jensen Beach before returning home to the Dallas area via Houston, TX. All help appreciated! John, I'll be back home around the 20th of October. I'll let you know what I find. Also a friend told me of a flea market open in Webster, FL on Mondays. Sometimes they have trains. Will advise. Ted Weiler Trinity Express S Scalers - DFW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27395	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Indianapolis GATS Show

Hey all, is anyone planning to attend the the Indy GAT show on October 18 & 19? Would like to meet some of you experts. Thanks DeWayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27396	From: pushpinss	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Have a little Humor

Just when someone with a little humor posts something worth reading on this board, someone wants to cut off the fun. And a least one person did more than that. I think people take things much too seriously. Or they see something in themselves, that makes them uncomfortable. We've all complained about something silly from time to time. Lighten up folks. I think this is 5 cents worth. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27397	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Have a little Humor

In a message dated 10/01/2003 2:56:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, pushpinss@... writes: > Just when someone with a little humor posts something worth reading > on this board, someone wants to cut off the fun. And a least one > person did more than that. > > I think people take things much too seriously. Or they see something > in themselves, that makes them uncomfortable. > > We've all complained about something silly from time to time. Lighten > up folks. > > I think this is 5 cents worth. > > Joe > AMEN, Joe! Steve & Sam at S-n-S Trains Specializing in: Can motor conversions for AF S-Gauge Railroading Videos. http://s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27398	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2024

> Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:10:05 -0600 > From: Gary Chidester <GChidester@...> > Subject: Arizona Train Meet? > > I am going to be in the Phoenix area this weekend and I heard a rumor that > there is a train show. Any truth? GARY: While I saw that someone posted a message that there is truly a train show at the church at the corner of Bethany Home Rd. and Central Ave. in Phoenix, I was unaware of that one. To my knowledge, the next train show in Phoenix is on 10/18 at the Adobe Mountain Desert Railroad Park off Pinnacle Peak Rd. Hope you find the meet on Bethany Home though I've been to ones there in the past, and they ain't no big thing. However, if you'd like a real treat in live steam, the guys at the Adobe Mt. RR usually have everything opened up and ready for free train rides each and every Sunday. They are even open on some Saturdays. Easy to get to. Just go north on I-17 to Pinnacle Peak Rd. Go west on Pinnacle Peak Rd. until you see the water park off to the south (your left at that point). Turn left and go south. The RR park is on the right (west) at 22822 N. 43rd. Ave. In addition to live steam, which is so cool, they have an HO and an O layout there. I won't be around on Saturday as I have to "do" a car show in Winslow, AZ. Ironically, "Standin' On The Corner Show." But I will be home in Flagstaff on Sunday if you'd like to see my barebones layout. Just 140 miles of scenic switchbacks away from Phoenix. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27399	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Chicago AF Factory Building

Hey Gang, For those with need to know: This appears to be the American Flyer Factory in Chicago---Bldg still there (Pre war/Pre New Haven). Click Link. Hopefully this link works here. John R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27400	From: JRKRrdd@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: AF Chicago Factory View

Hey Gang, For those with need to know:  This appears to be the American Flyer Factory in Chicago---Bldg still there (Pre war/Pre New Haven).  Link did not show through: Oops--------the site address is below: http://www.cookcountyassessor.com/search/ParcelImage.asp?pin=17281000020000 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27401	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: FLYER PAINT

I know the original question asked about a hardware store-type match for Accy Green paint.....I can't answer that....I don't know. However, it was also mentioned that there are a lot of "Accy Green" variations in original items, and that is very true! And it's true of almost EVERY AF color! I'm sure there were variations in the original paints, just as there are today. Try buying 2 or 3 gallons of the same color house paint with different batch numbers on the cans! But it's also a matter of your original paint having faded over the years as a result of exposure to sunlight, fluorescent lights, etc. I also recently read a comment somewhere about fading being the partial result of the use of lesd in the original paints. Anyway, that's why the "repro paints" on the market are rarely usable for touchup. OK for total repaints, but not for touchup. As for "Accy Green", I find the AF Accy Green to be on the light side, although it does match the original green on some items. We also stock the Lionel Accy Green, which I find to be a better match for most AF items. It is slightly "brighter", but the shade/tone of green is better. It's the "Accy Green" that I recommend to folks when they ask. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27402	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: 2nd Edition of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Guide

Thanks Bob for the update on the TM AF Book. I am looking forward to getting one of the one updated books. For those not going to York, go to the website Bob gave and they are taking orders for it now, as they write it will be available in October, which are in now. So it should be shipped shortly. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27403	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Arizona Train Meet?

If you are going to be in the Phoenix area, you gotta check out the McCormick-Stillman Railroad Park in Scottsdale. Especially if you have any kids along (kids of any age, that is). The website (includes directions) is http://www.therailroadpark.com/index1.html I don't think they have any Flyer, but the 5/12 scale live steamer is worth the visit in itself. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim V" <jimmyv42@...> To: "Gary Chidester" <GChidester@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Arizona Train Meet? > Arizona train-o-rama, Oct 4th 10A-3P > North Phoenix Baptist Church Fellowship hall > (entrance on Bethany Home Road) > 5757 North Central Avenue > Phoenix. > > Have fun > > JimV > > --- Gary Chidester <GChidester@...> wrote: > > I am going to be in the Phoenix area this weekend > > and I heard a rumor that > > there is a train show. Any truth? > > > > gary > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27404	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: 2nd Edition of the TM American Flyer S Gauge Guide

Bob....Where will you be at York? What building and can it be gotten at the pirate meets?...Now get to work on the HO version.....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27405	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/1/2003
Subject: Re: Have a little Humor

"pushpinss" wrote: >Just when someone with a little humor posts something worth reading >on this board, someone wants to cut off the fun. <snip> Lighten >up folks. I quite possibly agree with you, Joe. Or not. Can't tell for sure, since it isn't evident whut thee HECK you're talking about! :^) Care to clarify? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27406	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Humor

Below is a pointer to our new terrorist catch-and-release program... http://www.edburkhead.com/funny/funny_stuff1.htm Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27407	From: Tim	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Humor

Guys, I agree with the humor posts. I haven't posted much lately 'cuz I think some of you are miffed at my sense of humor. I post jack-ass comments from time-to-time just for the fun of it to see who will pop up with a 'tude. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27408	From: pushpinss	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Re: Humor

Thanks Tim, The best fun is when we poke fun at ourselves. I've enjoyed your comments, as well as some others. It seems that some people get upset when it hits close to home. The smoke fluid post and the challange were a good examples. I hope you'll keep on throwing in a jab from time to time, brings us back to reality. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > Guys, I agree with the humor posts. I haven't posted much lately 'cuz I think some of you are miffed at my sense of humor. I post jack-ass comments from time-to-time just for the fun of it to see who will pop up with a 'tude. > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27409	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Re: Humor

Marty......Thanks....I needed a good laugh.....I still love this one.... http://www.maritimeconsultant.com/tugboat.htm Thanks again....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Humor > Below is a pointer to our new terrorist catch-and-release program... > > http://www.edburkhead.com/funny/funny_stuff1.htm > > Thorin > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27410	From: riechert@qwest.net	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2025

I second the recommendation for the Adobe Mt. layout. The Marizopa Live Steamers (http://www.maricopalivesteamers.org I think) guys have 6 miles of so of track laid and give rides on most of it. One of the other clubs there has a garden type outdoor layout. Original Message: ----------------- > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:10:05 -0600 > From: Gary Chidester <GChidester@...> > Subject: Arizona Train Meet? > > I am going to be in the Phoenix area this weekend and I heard a rumor that > there is a train show. Any truth? GARY: While I saw that someone posted a message that there is truly a train show at the church at the corner of Bethany Home Rd. and Central Ave. in Phoenix, I was unaware of that one. To my knowledge, the next train show in Phoenix is on 10/18 at the Adobe Mountain Desert Railroad Park off Pinnacle Peak Rd. Hope you find the meet on Bethany Home though I've been to ones there in the past, and they ain't no big thing. However, if you'd like a real treat in live steam, the guys at the Adobe Mt. RR usually have everything opened up and ready for free train rides each and every Sunday. They are even open on some Saturdays. Easy to get to. Just go north on I-17 to Pinnacle Peak Rd. Go west on Pinnacle Peak Rd. until you see the water park off to the south (your left at that point). Turn left and go south. The RR park is on the right (west) at 22822 N. 43rd. Ave. In addition to live steam, which is so cool, they have an HO and an O layout there. I won't be around on Saturday as I have to "do" a car show in Winslow, AZ. Ironically, "Standin' On The Corner Show." But I will be home in Flagstaff on Sunday if you'd like to see my barebones layout. Just 140 miles of scenic switchbacks away from Phoenix. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com™ - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27411	From: John Brockmann	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: S-List to the rescue.

Once again the folks on this list have come to the rescue. I was having trouble getting my 755 station to work the way it should. A repair shop said it was working ok but it was NOT. So I again turned to you folks and AGAIN you came through. If you want to know anything about flyer, ask here!!! Much Thanks to all,John.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27412	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2025

Both October dates for the Phoenix train shows are good. Arizona Train-o-Rama is Oct 4 at North Phoenix Baptist Church at Bethany Home Road and Central Ave in central Phoenix (in the Family Life Center toward the northeast corner of the building complex). The Sahuaro Central show is Oct 18 at the Adobe Mountain Desert Railroad Park at 22822 N 43rd Ave , West of I-17 on Pinnacle Peak Road, and then south just a few tenths on 43rd Ave. As someone else mentioned, there is a BIG rideable layout. http://www.maricopalivesteamers.com/ It has four 30-minute rides over some 6 miles of track. Free rides on Sundays between noon and 5:00 PM It is much larger than the one at McCormick Ranch Railroad Park, but there are also some other operating layouts at McCormick Ranch Park in Scottsdale (HO, 3-rail O, N). A shop that does have Flyer trains on the shelf and for sale (more than I've seen anywhere else in town) is Burling's Ton of Trains, 16939 E. Colony Drive, Fountain Hills AZ. Fountain Hills is a somewhat distant suburb, way on the northeast corner of the greater Phoenix area, but readily accessible. The train store is shared with a woodworking shop and I would call before making the trek out there. It's run by Ken Burling 480 816 6501. The heat finally broke today - looks like a high of about 90!! Hooray! Jim Armstrong

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27413	From: aglorince	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: andy lorince ( earth transfer service) contact info

EARTH TEKUMEL TRANSFER SERVICE is the buisness name i currently use. american modeles lists me as EARTH TRANSFER SERVICE on there web site. the only reason i say this is because my mother answered the phone today and got someone asking for earth transfer. she told them it was the wrong number. if the person who tryed to contact me see's this the phone numer is correct. or contact me at above e-mail address. andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27414	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2003
Subject: CURVED TRACK FOR SALE BLATANT AD!!!!

I have approx. 200++ PCs of Curved track in good cond, also some 1/2 curved & straight. $110.00 + $20.00 shipping....Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27415	From: editor	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: The S/Sn3 Modeling Guide "Pop Valve" Forum - Advertisement

Greetings Everyone, The Purpose of this forum is to provide to our SMG Subscribers a means of 'Popping off' so to speak. Additionally, it is our hopes that this forum will provide 3/16" scale modelers everywhere a communicative opportunity to collaborate with other modelers, writers, photographers in an effort to improve and expand our interests and numbers. Please find this Forum in the Yahoo Groups Top > Hobbies & Crafts > Models > Trains and Railroads > Gauge and Scale Specific > S Scale: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 0056 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27416	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: Train Sale Thank You!

Thanks to all the list members who participated in the recent 20% off sale (sale ended 9/30) at http://www.americanflyertrains.com It sure is fun to kick off the season with a real flurry of activity. For your planning purposes, I just bought a collection with 22 Northerns. They will start showing up on the list after I get back from York. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27417	From: TCS	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: N. Edward Smith

If anyone know N. Edward Smith who lives in Woodbridge VA, please tell him I need his email address and mailing address, as it got lost in the computer crash. Tom Stolte

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27418	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 5, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27419	From: William Lange	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: Help with new toys

I had great but brief time at the Annual Fall S Get-Together last week and got to pick up some new toys. There was an 'O' scaler selling off his collection of 'S' items. He thought he could handle two gauges but didn't have enough time. I managed to pick up 2 boxes of S-Trax flex track for $50 and I'm considering using it on the bulk of my expanding layout. I'm looking for opinion's on the best turnouts to mate with the flex track that would have the same kind of look. I'm also looking for a good source of tips and tricks for laying flex track as well. I also picked up a brand new undecorated SHS SW-1 for $100, I love it. I want to paint it in the Pennsy scheme, are there decals available to give it the same look as a factory job? Sources of painting tips will be appreciated as well. In addition to the SW-1 I bought my first resin structure kit from Doug Peck. With all the track to lay, pieces to paint and three new pieces of rolling stock to play with, not too mention the few great people I had time to meet, I did pretty well for only being able to spend 2 hours at the get- together on Saturday morning! Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27420	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: ANYONE GOING?????

Anyone going to the Hobbyvisions.com show next weekend at the Sands in Las Vegas??? Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27421	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: Fw: [kl] Almost bought a Stolen German System Clarinet

Although this is not train related per say, it is related in a way that some of us buy trains on Ebay, as this below is something about a stolen clarinet on Ebay, that someone almost purchased on a Yahoo group I am on for the Clarinet. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Musician" <musicians@...> To: <klarinet@...> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:36 PM Subject: [kl] Almost bought a Stolen German System Clarinet > I just came really close to buying a > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2562471360 and the > Auction house closed the Auction with me winning. I called to complain > that they maybe didn't get enough bidders or were backing out because > the price maybe was too low (I did bid their minimum and more!) but > found out that the cops had earlier that day come in and confiscated > the stolen Clarinet. > > It was a German System Clarinet and I was looking forward to the > Challenge in learning it. > > Jeez, a real close one!!!!! > > David Blumberg > www.MyTempo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe: send email to klarinet-unsubscribe@... or > klarinet-digest-unsubscribe@... if you get the digest. > For a list of commands: send an email to klarinet-help@... > For help: send an email to klarinet-owner@... > For a moderated list, send email to clarinet-subscribe@... > Klarinet is a service of Woodwind.Org, Inc. http://www.woodwind.org >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27422	From: aglorince	Date: 10/3/2003
Subject: train show cleveland, oh

i'll be at div 4, mcr, nmra train show at cuyahoga county fairgrounds sat oct 4 10-5, sun oct 5 11-4. my s stock will be available. andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27423	From: trzp1800	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Painting stripes

Hi: What methods have y'all successfully used to mask off stripes on your engines and rolling stock. I'm concerned about painting stripes across a stockcar boarded side, or a hopper side or down the side of a diesel where i have to cross over louvers, grills, etc. Most of my experience was with plastic cars and RC planes and the surfaces involved were relatively smooth. Masking tape was mostly sufficient for these items. Thanks in advance! Regards, Ted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27424	From: Tim	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Re: Painting stripes

Hi, When I painted my Comet ABA set, I painted the yellow stripe freehand, following a molded line on the shells. I used an artist's rigger brush. It turned out well. In that case, I didn't want a sharp edge on the lines. A lot of lines painted at the Gilbert factory had soft edges. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: trzp1800 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Painting stripes Hi: What methods have y'all successfully used to mask off stripes on your engines and rolling stock. I'm concerned about painting stripes across a stockcar boarded side, or a hopper side or down the side of a diesel where i have to cross over louvers, grills, etc. Most of my experience was with plastic cars and RC planes and the surfaces involved were relatively smooth. Masking tape was mostly sufficient for these items. Thanks in advance! Regards, Ted S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27425	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Repairing Lionel AF Sawmill

My brother gave me his Lionel sawmill repro to fix as it quit working properly. After playing with it for a while, I found that the problem was on the underside where the shaft from the gearbox attaches to a short, flat arm that is connected to the long slotted arm that moves the carriage. The flat arm is loose on the post from the gearbox. I can't see any way to tighten or peen the two together so they don't slip. I've thought about epoxying them together, but haven't tried it yet as I didn't think it would hold. Since the two pieces appear to be black oxide coated, I'm not sure solder will work either. Anyone got any suggestions (other than sending it back to Lionel)? Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27426	From: jaytewilli	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Tower Repair

I'd like to ask a question of those who have replaced platforms on the Colber produced towers. What was the best way you found of removing the old platforms without damaging the tower structure? All comments welcomed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27427	From: plotnick	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Repairing O-gauge AF Royal Blue

I am helping a neigjbor by reparing her husband's O-gauge Flyer Royal Blue (it is a surprise for his birthday). When I first received it, I noticed that the armature wouldn't turn. I cleaned it up and got the motor running (bad reverse fingers. When I reattached the side rods, it jammed again. My guess is that a problem has developed with the quartering of the drivers. Can anyone suggest a step by step procedure I can try that doesn't require the wheel quartering tool? Thanks! - Roy Roy E. Plotnick Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, Il .60607 phone: 312-996-2111 630-252-6377(May-August) e-mail: plotnick@... homepage: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/people/faculty/plotnick.html "Those who do not know the literature are condemned to repeat it."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27428	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/4/2003
Subject: Re: Painting stripes

Ted, I have used 1/16" wide masking tape (got it at a auto paint supply shop), light tack version. I paint the body the strip color in the stripe area, then apply the tape (after the paint has cured!) as the stripe. Then paint the next body colors, and when finished, carefully remove the tape, voila! a stripe! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27429	From: roy inman	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: SHS turnouts

Greetings to all :) Anyone have or know where I might find two SHS turnouts? Need a right and a left, manual or electric, new or used. Any suggestions appreciated. Cheers, Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27430	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Idaho Train Shows

Hi, Folks. Two S shows at the opposite ends of one state next weekend: If you're in the area of Southwest Idaho/Eastern Oregon next Saturday, you're invited to the 2nd Annual "Idaho Rails Train Show" in downtown Weiser, Idaho, across the Snake River from Ontario, Oregon, and a little over an hour's drive west of Boise. The featured attraction will be "Lookout Junction," the famous S layout of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers. The date is October 11, and show hours will be 10 a.m.-6 p.m. Admission is free. For those in the Eastern Idaho/Northern Utah area, you can attend the Eagle Rock Historical Society's Annual Train Show, Saturday and Sunday, October 11-12, at the Idaho Falls Recreation Center in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Rocky Mountain Hi-Railer Alan Udy will be displaying some of his S hi-rail modules at that event. Join us if you can! John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27431	From: butchclimax	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Buttons and Cars

Hi Group, I have what must be one of the most basic questions -the answer, which I have'nt found yet, is elusive. My question is- What are the "unloading car" and the "operating car" buttons used for specifically? Most all the other buttons were labled such that they were very specific or extremely generic. Thanks in Advance, Vic

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27432	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Re: SHS turnouts

Dear Roy, The new shipment of #3 turnouts are due to leave Hong Kong in 2 weeks (with the Christmas car, SW-1s and NP flat car). Don roy inman wrote: >Greetings to all :) >Anyone have or know where I might find two SHS turnouts? >Need a right and a left, manual or electric, new or used. >Any suggestions appreciated. >Cheers, >Roy Inman > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27433	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Re: Buttons and Cars

Unloading Car buttons are usually found with the Auto car, Log car, Coal, car....etc.....Operating Car buttons are found with Box cars, etc. that throw something out...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "butchclimax" <sager@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Buttons and Cars > Hi Group, > > I have what must be one of the most basic questions -the answer, > which I have'nt found yet, is elusive. > > My question is- > What are the "unloading car" and the "operating car" buttons used > for specifically? > > Most all the other buttons were labled such that they were very > specific or extremely generic. > Thanks in Advance, > Vic > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27434	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Western Rail Products....

Went to a little train show today, and talked to the owner of Western Rail Products...of Calif. I was checking out his little caboose/end of train flashing-warning lights, also diesel strobes....cute little things, run off two watch-type batteries. Has anyone seen these?? None for "S", but I think the HO ones might work for certain projects. I checked his site, turns out the local train store here stocks his stuff, never noticed them before. I bought two today, not sure what I'll use them for! I'm thinkin',..on top of a Police car, towers,....a caboose ....whatever! Check out the site if you aren't familiar with this company. They may not be new to you....but are to me. http://wrp.arden.net/ I actually saw a LITTLE Flyer at the show,..nothing I needed though. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27435	From: Robert E. Yablonski	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2028

I own several S-Helper Loco's with DCC. I am trying to program the engine adresses into the decoders. None of the directions seem to work. Does anyone out there know how to do this? Robert E. Yablonski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27436	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 5, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27437	From: butchclimax	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: Mag Crane

Hi Group, I'm in the process of piecing together a magnetic crane. Item that is giving me the most trouble is the motor and gearbox. Any leads on one of these in the group?? Thanks, Vic

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27438	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /S-Chat Transcripts/s-chat--10-5-03.txt Uploaded by : myflyertrains <myflyertrains@...> Description : s-chat Oct 5, 2003 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/S-Chat%20Transcripts/s-chat--10-5-03.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, myflyertrains <myflyertrains@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27439	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/6/2003
Subject: TRAIN SHOW FEES TO SHOW

Our club has been showing our modular layout at local train shows for 4 years. We have received as little as $50 per show to as much as $150 per weekend. A show host just asked what we would like to receive for a Saturday/Sunday show. What has been your experience? Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Ritter http://www.glennritterarchitect.com/ National Association of S Gaugers at: http://www.nasg.org North Penn S Gaugers at: http://npsg3.homestead.com/files/npsgi.htm http://www.jesusiscoming.com ><///> ><///> ><///> ><///>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27440	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/6/2003
Subject: Re: Cincinnati Museum Center Layout

One of our customers let us in on this site for the S Scale layouts at the Cincinnati Museum Center. Just think, the NMRA convention will be here in a few years. Don > Hi Robin: > > Per our discussion, the following link will take you to > aroundcinci.com. Time Warner Cincinnati (I think) provides a webcam > mounted above the layout at the Cincinnati Museum Center. If you have > a broadband connection you can even control the cam.... > > > http://www.aroundcinci.com/inmotion/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27441	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 10/6/2003
Subject: Re: ANYONE GOING?????

I will probably be going on Sat or Sun. Al Paolozzi Pahrump, Nevada ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 8:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] ANYONE GOING????? > Anyone going to the Hobbyvisions.com show next weekend at the Sands in Las > Vegas??? Mike > > Michael Strickland > 6834 Quinton Ln > Tujunga, Ca 91042 > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27442	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Here's How I see it

Here's how I see it. Scale model railroaders are just playing with more accurate "toys". Yes, they are still toys. The differences between a scale and quality hirail layout are insignificant to the average person. We run code 148 rail on our club's modular layout for both scale and hirail because we found out years ago that operation with both scale and hirail was better with code 148 and closing frog switches. We started with the inner loop being code 100 on our first modules, but found the spectators at train shows couldn't notice the difference unless we pointed it out. If we started over we might go to code 125 but that wasn't very practical when we started about 13 years ago. I like all kinds of S: scale, hirail, even Flyer and K-Line. How far do you think modern HO would have progressed without ready to run starter sets with oversized code 100 track? There seems to be a natural evolution for people to move from Flyer to HiRail to scale. If the scale guys want to go off and exclude the majority then don't complain when there's very little available. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ostertag" <wsmwrr@...> To: <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: [S-Scale] Here's How I see it > snip > The only way to do this is to seperate the two totally. By this I mean that either a manufacturer produces Scale products, and I mean Scale as defined by the standards that are being set in the other scales. This means that the locomotives are designed to exacting precision and made to look as much like the prototype as possible. Freight cars are to be made in so any different variations that it would make your head spin. This theory applies to both S and Snwhatever. So what if you flood the market. The only way these days to attract people to this scale is by producing quality SCALE products. NOT HI RAIL OR AMERICAN FLYER!! Those Items should be produced seperatly by a company that is going to concentrate on that specific market. There isn't room for the two modeling types in the market if everything is going to be produce by one company. > > Personally, the reason that I'm converting over to S from HO is that I see a lot of great potential in S scale. I think the size of the equipment is the biggest benefit. Now what needs to be done is start producing products that are to exacting scale standards, and made of plastic so it can keep the cost down. > > If these debates continue as to which is better the HiRail or Scale or who is right and who is wrong the scale will never progress beyond where it is today. It is time to let go of the past but to not forget where the scale started. >snip> > > Thanks > Michael Ostertag > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > To see or post Files or Photos, visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files > or http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/lst > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > To POST, send a note to s-scale@yahoogroups.com > To SUBSCRIBE, send a note to s-scale-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27443	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: In response of......

Pieter wrote: **(((( Personally I stopped reading the S Trains list when a large faction seemed to think they were in heaven because they could buy K-Line O-27 (copies of 1950's Marx tooling) cars in erzsats AF paint schemes for $20 a piece, never mind they could buy the same cars with O trucks for $10 a copy! )))**** Now I can't speak for the other 800 members,...but I know some WERE excited due to the fact the K-Line cars were cheap,....good for repainting, kit-bashing, whatever,..as well as being CHEAP rolling stock to start some youngster off with trains,..and starting them in a GREAT scale/gauge! I have only bought one K-Line piece of rolling stock so far,..a tanker. I very much like the SHS Wooden Reefer cars,...and I have several. I like the fact, they come "Flyer" compatible for guys like me,...yet with a change of couplers/wheels, the "Scale" camp can use them. We each "model" to our own drummer! Though I may not be buying much of the K-Line products,...I'm glad it is available for a "cheap" alternative for those that wish to. I would certainly let my eight year old daughter rough up a few K-Line cars before I would let her at my SHS reefers!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27444	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: 821 members now!!

The list IS growing!!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27445	From: waldootten	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: AF O-Gauge Union Pacific

Just acquired a "City of Denver" yellow and brown O-gauge American Flyer streamlined passenger set. Does anyone know where I could get replacement decals (not stickers) for the passenger coaches and the Chief logo for the locomotive? I'm also half thinking of restoring the entire train (painting with new decals). There are numerous paint chips on the loco, which is cast. There are also some chips in the passenger car sides (these are stamped metal) and decals. Otherwise, there are no dents and the unit seems 100 percent complete and in running order. Any thoughts on whether I should repain/restore or just leave it as it is? To restore or not restore seems to be a moral issue to me. Thanks, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27446	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: Re: AF O-Gauge Union Pacific

Phil, I only restore what is really bad. Paint chips are normal on a pre-war used train. The restored finish is just that, modern, restored coating--but the original is the factory applied, and the dings and scratches tell some of the story of the joy some youngster had with it many, many years ago. Enjoy the great find you have!Show it to some other train collectors, see what they say. After all, the decision to Not Restore can be changed later, but not the decision To Restore! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27447	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2003
Subject: Re: In response of......

10/7/03 I believe that many of us into S trains were tickled when K-Line offered S cars, even if they are knock-offs of Marx stuff. Personally, I have purchased a few of the K-Line cars for my 7 year old. He can run these on our layout behind a cast 302 or a Casey Jones loco, and when the inevitable crash occurs it's no big deal! The cars look nice and we have not had any problems with them. I operate everything that I have, vintage Flyer, SHS, K-Line etc. I save the nice Flyer stuff and SHS, etc., for myself. I love it all. Bring it all on! see you Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27448	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: ..."In response of".....

Pieter wrote,... **(((That's great, and I didn't intend to slight anyone's personal choices in modeling. )))**** No offense taken, Pieter,...I just wanted to get in my two-cents worth! :^) You brought up some good points, and I see your point in the following statement,... """"(((The original Marx cars are still around at shows for 3-5 dollars each if you want to convert/repaint. Junker AF trucks and couplers are pretty cheap too. The K-Line box cars still scale out to about 46 ft (really rare for prototype boxcar) and have too steeply pitched a roof and cast on running board;))))"""""" BUT....for some of us, train shows aren't an option, for me it's driving at least three hours one way to a decent show! However, eBay is available. But I have a problem with converting/repainting old Marx or Flyer. (Unless they are REALLY basket cases). I have put SHS trucks on one piece of Flyer rolling stock that was in need of trucks. And most will agree,..the scale of the Marx cars isn't the greatest. But still a nice choice for those who want to buy them for their kids to keep them away from their GOOD rolling stock! :^) ***((((If (as some suggested at the time) the result of the "cheap" K-Line cars is "I can 2 of these for the price of an SHS or AM car - so why should I buy those makes" they hurt S by taking sales from manufacturers who have shown a commitment to improving S and pushing it into the future)))**** I'm not totally convinced of that.....I feel quite a few "Flyer" people won't touch the K-Line cars,... they will instead buy new Flyer , SHS, AM, etc. I know that I won't buy two K-Line's for the price of one SHS! I don't like them that well! Like I said in my earliar post, I LOVE the SHS wooden reefers!! I've been buying the beer reefers. I have one piece from AM, the SP wooden caboose...and it looks great IMHO. The scale modelers will still buy quality products,....I doubt they'll be saying,..."OOooooo...K-Line!! Gotta have it!" My point is, I feel there is a market for both,....CHEAP rolling stock, and QUALITY rolling stock. I am also one of those buying On30 and putting on SHS trucks and couplers. Why? I just like the looks! And I'm still waiting for an affordable old-time loco (like the On30 ones) to be put out by SOMEONE in "S" !! Which brings up a point I forgot earliar,..some, I'm sure, want to buy ready-to-run rolling stock,... they don't have the time for converting or just don't want to. Just my two-cents worth. I think it's been said before,...any new S is good S... buy what ya like, and pass on the rest! Like I said, we all model to a different drummer,....and I REALLY don't know what drummer David Dewey is marching to!! (Just poking fun at my northern Calif. buddy!!! Wink-wink David! ;^) Rick "Take a ride on the 'S' side" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27449	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: Re: AF O-Gauge Union Pacific

Why would you put a "chief" logo on the engine? This is a UPRR train and has nothing to do with the Santa Fe Chief. Thank you Larry Jackman On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 04:27 PM, waldootten wrote: > Just acquired a "City of Denver" yellow and brown O-gauge American > Flyer streamlined passenger set. Does anyone know where I could get > replacement decals (not stickers) for the passenger coaches and the > Chief logo for the locomotive? > > I'm also half thinking of restoring the entire train (painting with > new decals). There are numerous paint chips on the loco, which is > cast. There are also some chips in the passenger car sides (these > are stamped metal) and decals. Otherwise, there are no dents and the > unit seems 100 percent complete and in running order. Any thoughts > on whether I should repain/restore or just leave it as it is? > > To restore or not restore seems to be a moral issue to me. > > Thanks, > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27450	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: Trolley Meet in Scranton

Hi Folks Check out PHM's Trolley Meet at Scranton. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/electric_city.htm John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27451	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: AF Track and curves

I have been watching the discussion on how everything must be American Flyer Gilbert compatible. Actually, it needs to the compatible with the ACG 19 INCH RADIUS CURVES. Let me say that again AMERICAN FLYER TRACK ONLY OFFERED THOSE #$%^%$# 19 INCH CURVES AND SWITCHES Lionel had the foresight to offer O-72. They produce many things every year that will not run on anything tighter. When I joined this list several years ago I offered $1000.00 cash to whoever comes out with ACG compatible #8 switches and 56 inch radius sectional track. (Same radius as a #8 switch.) This money was offered to be seed money. When the track was ready I planned to get in line with everyone else and purchase it at the normal street price. No takers. Today I repeat my offer. I am still looking for sectional track that can be put down and taken up just like the ACG stuff. With tweaking I can and do run scale flanges but the tight curves and tight switches are killing us! I am thoroughly convinced our biggest problem is not the big flanges or the lobster claw couplers: it is the lack of RTR track. Recently I wished for three way, curved, and single slip switches. These are all available RTR from several makers in HO, N, and now Atlas in O. Trash me as you wish: the money offer stands. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27452	From: rfgiardina	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track and curves

Thorin, It is possible there were no takers on your $1000.00 offer, because you over estimate what $1000.00 will buy. When tool and die costs are in the 10's of thousands of dollars, you couldn't get the drawings done for a $1000.00. Then, what is the market for what maybe only you want? Is it worth the investment? Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@w...> wrote: > I have been watching the discussion on how everything must be American Flyer > Gilbert compatible. > > Actually, it needs to the compatible with the ACG 19 INCH RADIUS CURVES. > > Let me say that again > > AMERICAN FLYER TRACK ONLY OFFERED THOSE #$%^%$# 19 INCH > CURVES AND SWITCHES > > Lionel had the foresight to offer O-72. They produce many things every year > that will not run on anything tighter. > > When I joined this list several years ago I offered $1000.00 cash to whoever > comes out with ACG compatible #8 switches and 56 inch radius sectional > track. (Same radius as a #8 switch.) This money was offered to be seed > money. When the track was ready I planned to get in line with everyone else > and purchase it at the normal street price. > No takers. > > Today I repeat my offer. I am still looking for sectional track that can be > put down and taken up just like the ACG stuff. With tweaking I can and do > run scale flanges but the tight curves and tight switches are killing us! > > I am thoroughly convinced our biggest problem is not the big flanges or the > lobster claw couplers: it is the lack of RTR track. Recently I wished for > three way, curved, and single slip switches. These are all available RTR > from several makers in HO, N, and now Atlas in O. > > Trash me as you wish: the money offer stands. > Thorin > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27453	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: K line

Go to Hobby Lobby. They sell Marx K-line sets for $250. Crazy. You can buy SHS sets for that. It is all about marketing sets. They can't sell S for $100 if they can't sell Marx O27 sets for that. Where we have them is on 2 rail. The public might consider buying 2 rail next to 3 rail. Their S Marx line cars can be bought for $20 or less. They come with S trucks. Lionel sell AF for $50 with O gauge trucks. So this puts pressure on Lionel to cut prices. Seems to me that AF cars don't require any more plastic then Marx K-line. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27454	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AF Track and curves

Our design cost for a AFG comp #6 was $10,000.00 and over $100,000.00 for tooling. Make the check out to SHS if you can come up with 10% of the total. We will send you that value in switches when they are produced. Don Marty.Thorin wrote: >I offered $1000.00 cash to whoever comes out with ACG compatible #8 switches and 56 inch radius sectional track. >Thorin > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27455	From: curleytf	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: Re: Train shows/Shops in Tampa

I have been to the Webster flea market a number of times and have found it pretty rare to find toy trains of any type. It is an experience though, especially during the cooler weather, it is just not a good source for trains. Tom --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "theodore weiler" <flier61@c...> wrote: > I'll be leaving Saturday for the same area, then going to Jensen Beach > before returning home to the Dallas area via Houston, TX. All help > appreciated! > > John, > > I'll be back home around the 20th of October. I'll let you know what I > find. Also a friend told me of a flea market open in Webster, FL on > Mondays. Sometimes they have trains. Will advise. > > Ted Weiler > Trinity Express S Scalers - DFW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27456	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2003
Subject: linkage& tender

i am in need hope someone can help linkage for a 312 both sides and tender for the same also linkage for a 354 silver bullet and and a tender marv d [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27457	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: K-Line/Lionel-Flyer trucks....

**(((old AF bodies that sell for $50 with O gauge trucks)))*** I never noticed that before! I just compared a Lionel/Flyer truck, to an older Flyer truck, and it does seem larger,...and for sure larger then the SHS and K-Line trucks!! Are they really "O"? Just like they run on their Lionel rolling stock? I can't believe I never paid attention to that before. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27458	From: Ronald	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Flyer Crossing Signals

Greetings to the Group! I guess I should preface this post by saying I'm not a Flyer operator, at least not yet. I have run just about every other size at one time or another though. Right now I much prefer those three rail trains. I hope you won't hold it against me. I must admit that I have been tempted to go with the K-line S-Gage that has come out lately. I do have the remnants of my old Game Train and I recently aquired an American Flyer set from Ebay. Which brings me to the point of this post. I have a couple of #760 crossing signals that I think look a whole lot better than brand "L" does. I would really like to use them on my layout but I guess I don't know if I can. Does anyone have an idea how I would wire these to work on a three rail layout? Any help would be appreciated!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27459	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Steam Glory

I got this from Don Thompson today. Don wrote... > > I received an interesting (unsolicited I might ad) e-mail from >Michael Brickl, Ad manager of Model Railroader a few minutes ago. We >have place a small ad for our B&O E-27as 2-8-0 in the upcoming "Steam >Glory", a special edition of "Classic Trains" from Kalmbach >publishing. Mike was confirming receipt of our ad materials and his >message included the following paragraph.... > > > >>...Wait until you see the December issue of Model Railroader (we just >>shipped >>it to the printer yesterday). We included an article showing examples >>of the >>most popular scales. There is a fantastic photo of an S scale layout. >>Also, >>your F7 Santa Fe is pictured in a photo depicting the difference >>between the >>various scales... >> >> >> > I hope you are all as excited as we are to see the December issue >of Model Railroader. > >Best regards, >Don Thompson > > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27460	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AF Track and curves

Marty, I did not have time to respond last night but thought at the time, your wish for sectional track, with number 8 switches, that can be easily put together and then picked up, is very, very close to what SHS is trying to provide. We already have the outstanding sectional track in 3 radii with roadbed built in for great looks and as a protection against loco motors picking up carpet fibers. And the turnouts are at least in the latter stages of design with number 3 switches ready to be shipped any day now. As for the number 8 switches, I would like that too. But the number 6 switches due next year are a big step closer and will hopefully handle most of our long passenger cars and locos. And I my comments are not intended to knock the AM track system either, which was a great advancement, but the SHS track allows for the same ease of set up that the AF Gilbert track did, but is far superior in many ways. Earl Henry Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27461	From: Bill Frazier	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Ace conversion parts

None of our regular suppliers seem to have these in stock. Anyone out there have any of these? #02001 floor #02000 " #02012 hopper bolster #02012S " " Thanks, Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27462	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Crossing Signals

In a message dated 10/9/03 7:17:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sullymanron@... writes: > I have a couple of #760 crossing signals that I think look a whole > lot better than brand "L" does. I would really like to use them on > my layout but I guess I don't know if I can. Does anyone have an > idea how I would wire these to work on a three rail layout? Any help > would be appreciated! > hey Sully, Not sure how you would hook up your three rail track to the flyer crossings. But be forwarned! Once you put AF on your 3 rail layout, it will start to corrode and rust! It won't work anymore and you'll end up swiching over to 2 rail flyer. I swear it will. I saw another guy have it happen to his set. It was pretty neat.. Chris :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27463	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: NASG Review

Hi Folks If you get Railroad Model Craftsman check out the review of the NASG's Armco Steel building kit. It's in the Nov. issue page 114. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27464	From: Bruce	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Options for young people

Some thinking out loud: I had been planning on assembling a Flyer set for my youngest boy for Christmas this year. Something simple: A 302, a few cars, an oval of track, and a transformer. I did this with my older son several years ago and he has enjoyed it, although he is also expanding into HO due to size (his room) and availability. Because of some of the recent posts, I'm beginning to wonder if I need to start this next son with the newer stuff instead of the "like dad's old trains" stuff. The new RTR track systems hold a lot of potential for future product expansion, are probably easier to maintain, have more options for layouts because of the radius selections, and might hold more interest as being more realistic. He obviously won't have the sentimental feeling for the old Flyer track. As for the train itself, I'll probably have to stick with an old steam engine. It is the only thing affordable for a child. They want a steam engine that smokes and chugs! Diesels are cool, but there is something about a steam engine that captures the imagination. Maybe it's in the motion of the valve gear and the swirling smoke. Rolling stock has to be relatively durable, old or new. I ordered some K-Line without any knowledge of its story and felt cheated when I got it. But, maybe it would be good for a starter set with an Atlantic. The plastic Atlantics strike me as being a little large, too. I'm going to have to think on this a bit. Your money just goes so much further with the old stuff when you stick to 28x's & 30x's that are perfect for starter sets, inexpensive old rolling stock, and Flyer track around $1 apiece. (I think the 280 series Pacifics are a classic balance between toy and realism for a kid) I have purchased some of the Lionel Flyer (rolling stock & accessories & an engine) and an AM switcher for myself. I see a need to support the new stuff and I'll do the best I can with my resources. And in the case of the Lionel Flyer accessories (I'm kind of stuck on the 'American Flyer' label for now), I consider them to be in line with the prices of the old ones so that for operational use (my case) they are a reasonable choice. It seems like I saw something a couple years ago where someone was buying up old Flyer and making starter sets out of it. I wonder how that went/is going? I think the market for 'toy trains' is much bigger than the market for 'scale trains' in terms of number of individuals. But it may be the other way around in terms of dollars/profit because of the prices. Of course, there wouldn't be any 'scale trains' without 'toy trains' to start the journey in a boy's imagination. HO has done a great job to cater to both. I really think S gauge has the potential to be a great starter train for a child because it is easier to handle with small hands than HO is and it is still 2 rail. (I have NEVER understood the facination for 3 rails.) And then, like HO, it can lead into 'scale trains', or even into a category that HO doesn't have - I'll call it 'vintage' - in this case, post-war Gilbert Flyer. By the way, I get the impression that most of you guys seemed to know what the K-Line stuff was before you bought it. I'm obviously out of the loop, what was your source? I wasn't on the Group back then. I only found out about it from a nondescript S-Gaugian magazine paragraph. Enough for now. I'm a member of the TCA, but I suppose I need to join NASG and maybe TTOS. Bruce Willis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27465	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: AF Track in 2003(4)

Question: K-Line makes good track, yes? They have what 54" curves. And when I buy some at some point I will once and for all settle the question of three or four sections to make 90' which I have never received a consistant answer from this group, but that's another item. OK, so it's 54". I've also heard the pins are a bit wider than AF, so one has to do a bit of sanding / grinding to switch from AF to K-Line track, another "big deal" item. ReRailers are already being produced. I've heard rumor of a 30' crossing as well (which is fine for 3 section = 90' track and one would need a 25' if 4 section = 90' track exists from K-Line.) Rubber Roadbed is being made as well. So far, that means one can esilly find two types of curve, straight, rerailers, maybe a new crossing type in addition to the 90', and roadbed. So that directs me to switches. Are there enough GOOD AF power ones out there? Let's say yes. So, that leaves the single need as switches which look like AF to match the K-Line curve. Any knowledgable input on how close one could make a new switch to look like the AF ones without Lionel legal coming after you? Forget upfront cost - let's say a power switch was $40 to $50 range each - how many would actually buy switches to match the K-Line track? As well, how many would buy a crossing to match a single curve track (30' / 25')? (Paul - some sort of survey on the list?) I'm guessing these two areas are what we lack these days, not much else. Let's just say I might consider pet projects in a couple years, thus reason for interest. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27466	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Last Reminder..Fall S Fest in St.Louis,10/31-11/2...still some room

Just a reminder about the S Fest. I understand that there are still some rooms left but you must get your reservations in ASAP. Still have some cars left but they are almost gone. Send your $ in today. Let me know if you have any more questions. Sorry, all tables are now sold out but we still have lots of room for attendees ............THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY GREAT SHOW SO DON'T MISS IT! Thanks to all for a good response. Best regards and see you at the show! Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27467	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track in 2003(4)

Four pieces make up a 90. I file the K-line pins a little to fit the flyer track. Real simple!!!!. Al Paolozzi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Track in 2003(4) > Question: > > K-Line makes good track, yes? They have what 54" curves. And when I buy some at > some point I will once and for all settle the question of three or four > sections to make 90' which I have never received a consistant answer from this > group, but that's another item. > > OK, so it's 54". > > I've also heard the pins are a bit wider than AF, so one has to do a bit of > sanding / grinding to switch from AF to K-Line track, another "big deal" item. > > ReRailers are already being produced. > > I've heard rumor of a 30' crossing as well (which is fine for 3 section = 90' > track and one would need a 25' if 4 section = 90' track exists from K-Line.) > > Rubber Roadbed is being made as well. > > So far, that means one can esilly find two types of curve, straight, rerailers, > maybe a new crossing type in addition to the 90', and roadbed. > > So that directs me to switches. > > Are there enough GOOD AF power ones out there? Let's say yes. > > So, that leaves the single need as switches which look like AF to match the > K-Line curve. > > Any knowledgable input on how close one could make a new switch to look like > the AF ones without Lionel legal coming after you? > > Forget upfront cost - let's say a power switch was $40 to $50 range each - how > many would actually buy switches to match the K-Line track? > > As well, how many would buy a crossing to match a single curve track (30' / > 25')? > > (Paul - some sort of survey on the list?) > > I'm guessing these two areas are what we lack these days, not much else. > > Let's just say I might consider pet projects in a couple years, thus reason for > interest. > > Michael > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27468	From: Al Paolozzi	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track in 2003(4)

OOps! Did I say four. No it is three, I just went out and counted them on the layout. Three for a corner (90degree) Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Paolozzi" <amflyral@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Track in 2003(4) > Four pieces make up a 90. I file the K-line pins a little to fit the flyer > track. Real simple!!!!. > Al Paolozzi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@...> > To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:39 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] AF Track in 2003(4) > > > > Question: > > > > K-Line makes good track, yes? They have what 54" curves. And when I buy > some at > > some point I will once and for all settle the question of three or four > > sections to make 90' which I have never received a consistant answer from > this > > group, but that's another item. > > > > OK, so it's 54". > > > > I've also heard the pins are a bit wider than AF, so one has to do a bit > of > > sanding / grinding to switch from AF to K-Line track, another "big deal" > item. > > > > ReRailers are already being produced. > > > > I've heard rumor of a 30' crossing as well (which is fine for 3 section = > 90' > > track and one would need a 25' if 4 section = 90' track exists from > K-Line.) > > > > Rubber Roadbed is being made as well. > > > > So far, that means one can esilly find two types of curve, straight, > rerailers, > > maybe a new crossing type in addition to the 90', and roadbed. > > > > So that directs me to switches. > > > > Are there enough GOOD AF power ones out there? Let's say yes. > > > > So, that leaves the single need as switches which look like AF to match > the > > K-Line curve. > > > > Any knowledgable input on how close one could make a new switch to look > like > > the AF ones without Lionel legal coming after you? > > > > Forget upfront cost - let's say a power switch was $40 to $50 range each - > how > > many would actually buy switches to match the K-Line track? > > > > As well, how many would buy a crossing to match a single curve track (30' > / > > 25')? > > > > (Paul - some sort of survey on the list?) > > > > I'm guessing these two areas are what we lack these days, not much else. > > > > Let's just say I might consider pet projects in a couple years, thus > reason for > > interest. > > > > Michael > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27469	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: 760 crossing signal

Ronald; December 1994(run138)issue of O gauge railroading had an article on converting 760 to work on 3 rail.it's interesting to see how many "L" layouts use AF accesories.they occasionly run articles on Flyer"O",Gilbert and Chicago. Jerry"like'em all but love my Flyer"Memmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27470	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Trolley Meet in Scranton

Could someone fill those of us who are interested in traction re: the meet in Scranton. Who from the groups is attending. Too bad I just came through Scranton a few days ago enroute back here to St. Louis. Thanks, Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27471	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/9/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track in 2003(4)

On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:43:19 -0700, Al Paolozzi wrote: >OOps! Did I say four. No it is three, I just went out and counted them on >the layout. Three for a corner (90degree) Al My point exactly - the world may never know! *wink* Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27472	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track in 2003(4)

Michael wrote: >the world may never know! *wink* Can't...let...confusion... continue...must post......message... The correction is correct. K-line curves, both 19" and 27" radii, cover 30 degrees of curvature, three sections to the 90. No, really. I just went outside (1;55 AM PDT) to the backyard shed containing our modular layout and inspected the one 90 degree corner we have that uses AF and K-Line curves. Is that dedication, or what? :^) Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27474	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Options for young people

Bruce Willis wrote: >I get the impression that most of you guys seemed to know what the K- >Line stuff was before you bought it <snip> what was your source? In my case, the source was personal experimentation, prodded by a desire for more equipment variety, forced by Lionel's failure to provide it, and encouraged by a wife who likes almost anything "different." As members of TTOS, we found plenty of Marx and K-Line 0-27 stuff for sale at monthly meets, not to mention the needed parts to make conversions. It was only a matter of time before "corrections" took place. Also, since much of K-line rolling stock is made from ex-Marx tooling, another good source of info is Greenberg's Guide to Marx Trains. Volume 2 covers the plastic stuff. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27475	From: trainman634	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Book of AF Sets

Is there a book that lists all of the American Flyer train sets that were produced by the A.C.Gilbert company? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27476	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: SHS 2-8-0 images uploaded to S-Scale

I have uploaded several 2-8-0 images to the Yahoo S scale e-group file folder (2-8-0 images). These are painted samples that our engineer has had made for the upcoming York TCA train meet. Don PS You can find them at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/2-8-0%20images/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27477	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track

Dear Martin: You need to get in touch with David Dewey. He can correct your switch problems. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: martin lukatch [mailto:martyl11@...] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:54 PM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: AF Track I agree with you! We need more out there! I was using GarGraves Sectional track because they had wider radius. A friend of mine was drilling holes in the ties for me to secure them to the layout. Everything was looking great, till they stopped making the track. I have tried working with SHS track, but had problems custom fitting them. I'm going to try using K-line wide radius track. I have some American Models stuff, but they don't run on the AF track right. I hope you have a nice night! Marty P.S. I have a lot of problems with my AF switches. My trains either derail or short out on the switches. Any help you could provide would be a great Help! _____ Do you Yahoo!? The <http://shopping.yahoo.com/?__yltc=s%3A150000443%2Cd%3A22708228%2Cslk%3Atext %2Csec%3Amail> New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27478	From: knockbill	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: 760 crossing gate

Hi Ronald, You can use a pressure type contactor to make & break the light circuit as the train passes, or use an isolated 3rd rail to activate the 760... It can be wired the same as a "L" crossing gate.... However, It would be happier on an S gauge layout... Hope this helps, Have fun, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27479	From: knockbill	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: 760 crossing gate

Hi Ronald, You can use a pressure type contactor to make & break the light circuit as the train passes, or use an isolated 3rd rail to activate the 760... It can be wired the same as a "L" crossing gate.... However, It would be happier on an S gauge layout... Hope this helps, Have fun, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27480	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Trolley Meet in Scranton

Hi Jack I will be going mainly to give Tom [ PHM ] a hand. I plan on bringing my camera along. I will share the photos with the group. Here is the website for the meet, http://www.paheritagemodels.com/electric_city.htm John At 11:49 PM 10/9/2003 -0400, jnr59@... wrote: >Could someone fill those of us who are interested in traction re: the meet in >Scranton. Who from the groups is attending. Too bad I just came through >Scranton a few days ago enroute back here to St. Louis. > >Thanks, > >Jack Riely > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To see or post Files or Photos, visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files >or http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/lst >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... >To POST, send a note to s-scale@yahoogroups.com >To SUBSCRIBE, send a note to s-scale-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27481	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Detail Parts

Hi Folks For some neat detail parts in S, Grab Irons, Rivets, Nut Bolt castings Etc Click on Tichy Train Group http://www.tichytraingroup.com/index.php?page=view_category.php&offset=0 John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27482	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Kaslo Shops

Hi Folks Kaslo Shops is offering to do some more s rolling stock kits. Here has already done a PS-1 boxcar kit. I purchased one and it is very well done. I am interested in the NYC caboose's he may do if he gets enough reservations. Check it out at http://www.kasloshops.com/ John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27483	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Don's 2-8-0 Photos

To those interested in seeing Don latest pictures. I took the liberty of coping his pictures from the S-Scale YahooGroups section over to the S-Scale.org photo album. See http://s-scale.org/albums/albun42 No membership requirement. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27484	From: Neil Becker	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Options for young people

How many AF (new or old stuff) users are under 50 years old? 40? 30? Can you hear "Time for another survey"? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27485	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the S-Trains group: If you run'em, what is your age group. New or vintage AF inclusive. o 0-10 Years o 11-20 Years o 21-30 Years o 31-40 Years o 41-50 Years o 51-60 Years o 61-70 Years o Over 70 Years To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/surveys?id=1143489 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27487	From: David	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Options for young people

New Poll started. We'll know next Friday. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Becker" <afmaven@s...> wrote: > How many AF (new or old stuff) users are under 50 years old? 40? 30? > > Can you hear "Time for another survey"? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27488	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Don's 2-8-0 Photos

Fantastic. Don must really have the running gear turning freely, 'cause the engineer always has his hand on the brake valve. :) S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27489	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 12, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27490	From: Ronald	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: 760 crossing gate

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "knockbill" <jdefelice@n...> wrote: > Hi Ronald, > You can use a pressure type contactor to make & break the light > circuit as the train passes, or use an isolated 3rd rail to activate > the 760... > It can be wired the same as a "L" crossing gate.... However, It would > be happier on an S gauge layout... > Hope this helps, > Have fun, > John Hi John, Thanks for the info. I guess I'll have to find space to set up some 2 rail and run my old Game Train! I think you're right about it being happier on an S gage layout. I don't think I want to start cutting and changing things just to get it to work. If I find one in poor shape at a meet I'll try the conversion then. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27491	From: Ronald	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: 706 crossing flasher help

I just wanted to say thanks to all of the group members that responded to me off list and on. I have to tell you that I posted the same question on a three rail list I joined and got no replys at all. Much friendlier bunch of people here! Since I only have one S gage set of trains, am I qualified to respond to the poll on Flyer Trains???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27492	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: KLine track

<<<< OOps! Did I say four. No it is three, I just went out and counted them on the layout. Three for a corner (90degree) Al>>>> Al is correct. I think the confusion comes from the fact that K-Line packages this wide-radius track in boxes of 16 pieces. Have no idea why.....all it causes for me is the need to constantly split boxes to fill orders! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27493	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Book of AF sets

<<<Is there a book that lists all of the American Flyer train sets that were produced by the A.C.Gilbert company? Thanks. >>>> The only book still available is Bob Tufts' "Almost Complete Guide to AF Sets"......it is a wealth of information for only $15, but Bob expects it to be sold out by the end of York (next week)....it is almost gone already. We still ahve some copies in stock as well. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27494	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Train Show

There will be a train show on Saturday, March 11, 2003, in Hendersonville, North Carolina at the Bonclarken Assembly Auditorium, Blue Ridge Road, in Flat Rock (Hendersonville) N.C. from 10 AM to 3 PM. Sorry to be so late getting this out but I just found out about it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27495	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Dayton GATS

Anyone in the Dayton Ohio area this weekend, there is a GATS at the Dayton international airport expo center. Saturday and Sunday. I apologize if I posted this already. Stop by the S-Gauge Christmas Layout and say hi. we have our friends 12 yr. old son with us this weekend. Talk about enthusiasm! Chris Burger Dayton, Ohio 45403 NASG TCA MVSG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27496	From: the Reis's	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: KLine track

Rick Johnson's www.roadbed.net shows it in error also by stating "16 pieces make a circle" I have both the track and roadbed and 12 make a circle. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peck [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains]KLine track <<<< OOps! Did I say four. No it is three, I just went out and counted them on the layout. Three for a corner (90degree) Al>>>> Al is correct. I think the confusion comes from the fact that K-Line packages this wide-radius track in boxes of 16 pieces. Have no idea why.....all it causes for me is the need to constantly split boxes to fill orders! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27497	From: the Reis's	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: Train Show

March 11th , late? Where are Mr. Peabody and Sherman with the Wayback machine when you need them. Ok, so I was a 60's kid. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: mvandiver2@... [mailto:mvandiver2@...] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Train Show There will be a train show on Saturday, March 11, 2003, in Hendersonville, North Carolina at the Bonclarken Assembly Auditorium, Blue Ridge Road, in Flat Rock (Hendersonville) N.C. from 10 AM to 3 PM. Sorry to be so late getting this out but I just found out about it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27498	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/10/2003
Subject: Re: 706 crossing flasher help

Ron, Sure, it's an S train, isn't it?? ;-) I was thinking about the flasher wiring. ACG used a trip activated by the wheel flanges, so the lights flash on and off as the flanges hit the trip. You could modify one to fit your, ahem, wider track, or you could modify a track section to have a very short interrupted single outer rail. Hook one end of the lights to the insulated piece, and the wheels will activate the insulated rail as they run over it. OR, use a longer section of isolated outer rail, run the wire through a 6 volt automotive flasher, and they'll blink as long as a the rail is activated. Either SHOULD work, but I haven't tried it, so your results may vary! ;-) (it's really hard for us two railers to think in three rail power systems!) S' David Dewey PS Thanks for the compliments to the group. I dunno why S is so "Secret," 'cause all the S folks I know are very friendly.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27499	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: BIG mistake on date of train show!

Sorry about the BIG mistake. Train show in Hendersonville is TODAY, October 11, 2003, from 10 until 3 PM at the Bonclarken Auditorium, Blue Ridge Road, Flat Rock (Hendersonville), N. C. WOW...old age is really working on me! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27500	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: SHS blatant promotion - Container arrives

A container arrived on Friday (just in time for York!!!) of our next shipment of new items: Rebuilt Boxcars - 01126 DT&I #1 (boxcar red with white lettering, black & white compass logo) 01127 DT&I #2 (boxcar red with white lettering, black & white compass logo) 01128 GN #1 (vermilion with white lettering, black & white Rocky the goat logo) 01129 GN #2 (vermilion with white lettering, black & white Rocky the goat logo) 01150 NYS&W #1 (green car with yellow lettering, 7 color Suzy Q lady logo) 01151 NYS&W #2 (green car with yellow lettering, 7 color Suzy Q lady logo) 01152 Pennsylvania #1 (red oxide with white lettering, white & black shadow keystone) 01160 Pennsylvania #2 (red oxide with white lettering, white & black shadow keystone) STOCK CARS 01136 ASX #1 Armour Stock Express (red oxide with white lettering, yellow placard w/ black let) 01137 ASX #2 Armour Stock Express (red oxide with white lettering, yellow placard w/ black let) 01139 NKP #1 (boxcar red with white lettering) 01140 NKP #2 (boxcar red with white lettering) 01141 UP #5 (yellow with red lettering, silver roof and yellow journal box covers) 01142 UP #6 (yellow with red lettering, silver roof and yellow journal box covers) 2 BAY PS-2 COVERED HOPPERS 01143 BN #1 (gray car with black lettering) 01144 BN #2 (gray car with black lettering) 01145 Chessie(C&O) (1) (yellow car with blue lettering & underframe & cat) 01146 Chessie(C&O) (2) (yellow car with blue lettering & underframe & cat) 01147 D&H (1) (silver car with blue lettering) 01148 D&H (2) (silver car with blue lettering) 01149 NAHX(Boraxo) (gray car with black lettering, black, white & red can) 53'6" STANDARD FLAT CARS 01163 Northern Pacific #1 (NP green car, white lettering) 01164 Northern Pacific #2 (NP green car, white lettering) 01165 SL-SF #1 (yellow with black lettering) 01166 SL-SF #2 (yellow with black lettering) 01167 SP #1 (boxcar red with white lettering, yellow "Cushion" lettering) 01168 SP #2 (boxcar red with white lettering, yellow "Cushion" lettering) We will start to ship these to our hobby shop network on Monday. We hope to have images posted on our website shortly. I will send e-mail once this is done. Best regards, Don Thompson PS New SW-1s, Christmas Car, GN glacial green flat car and the enhanced #3 switches are dues to leave Hong Kong next week and are expected mid November at the warehouse.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27501	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track

All my AM stuff runs on Flyer track and switches as well as Gargrave's. You may need to apply some of the fixes shown on the AM website. The SD60 and TM diesels with body mounted couplers may pull following cars off the track if the talgo mounted coupler isn't loosened slightly to allow more swing. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: "'martin lukatch'" <martyl11@...>; "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "'David Dewey'" <djdewey@...> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: AF Track > Dear Martin: > You need to get in touch with David Dewey. He can correct your switch > problems. > > Thorin > > -----Original Message----- > From: martin lukatch [mailto:martyl11@...] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:54 PM > To: thorin.marty@... > Subject: AF Track > > > I agree with you! We need more out there! I was using GarGraves Sectional > track because they had wider radius. A friend of mine was drilling holes in > the ties for me to secure them to the layout. Everything was looking great, > till they stopped making the track. I have tried working with SHS track, > but had problems custom fitting them. I'm going to try using K-line wide > radius track. I have some American Models stuff, but they don't run on the > AF track right. I hope you have a nice night! Marty > > P.S. I have a lot of problems with my AF switches. My trains either derail > or short out on the switches. Any help you could provide would be a great > Help! > > > _____ > > Do you Yahoo!? > The > <http://shopping.yahoo.com/?__yltc=s%3A150000443%2Cd%3A22708228%2Cslk%3Atext > %2Csec%3Amail> New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27502	From: Scott Connery	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: American Flyer for sale

Hello, I am selling an American Flyer train set and am looking for prospective buyers for the components. You can find a listing and images at http://www.scottconnery.dyns.cx/train Please note that any offers should include shipping from Ottawa Ontario Canada to your location. Please specify if your offer is in Canadian or US Dollars. Scott Connery [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27503	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: AF Track

Switch problems are complex. First, by their vary nature, switches will make noticeable rolling stock and motive power problems, such as misaligned trucks and worn axle holes & bushings AND dirty wheels! Shorting at switches by ACG steam locos is often caused by worn axle holes in the diecast tender trucks. This allows the truck side to rub on the frog & voila! a short. One can fix this by filing the side frame, but that only works for a while (until you wear the hole further), or you can put in one of the brass eyelets that helps fill in the wear. Too soon to know how long these last, but so far, so good. Also, I have found pickup wheels worn to the point that the wheel basically has double flanges! Mis-aligned trucks allow wheels to not stay in contact with the rails, even only momentarily & you then get reverse unit tripping. Also, worn pivot bushings provide the same problem--if your tender trucks wobble too much, the bushings are worn, or are falling apart. Then there is the switch itself. The frogs can warp, so the curved rail section has quite a dip in it (this doesn't seem to cause much problem in the straight position--hmm??). Some of the early 720 switches pickup frog power through a finger at the narrow end. I have seen these loose their tension, or corrode just enough that they no longer are electrically connected to the frog (a tough problem to figure out--it can drive you batty -- OK Rick, I know, TOO LATE!). Alignment of the frog to the point is also important, and can be adjusted in many ways. The simplest is to tweak the end of the frog so the narrow end lines up properly with the point, but be careful, the metal can be easily broken. That's just a nutshell. IMHO, the ACG 720A switch is very reliable, and has served for decades reliably, but it needs care, just like the reverse units do. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27504	From: Tom	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Scenery Item

Warning, the following email concerns a diecast car that can be used for a scenery item on a layout. If this is not of interest, please delete or ignore. The 2004 regular Hot Wheels line contains a 1st Edition Car called " Chevy Fleetline 1947" . This is an outstandingly detailed body casting!! I found the car on sale at Target for $.69 but the body casting is comparable in detail to the body on the 1953 Chevy Bel Aire that,as a "100% Hot Wheels Collectable," sells for $8.99.. The car is painted in a lilac color that is okay (I owned a 1957 Chevy in this color) and all you have to do to make it look great for layout purposes is apply some "E-Z Lift-Off" paint remover (from Floquil) to remove the ugly tampo on the roof and hood, use some silver paint to pain the trunk latch, hood ornament, headlights and the trim around the windows, red paint to the tail lights and add a scale sized license plate that you can copy off the internet and scale down to S proportions. If you wanted to make it a "foreground model" there are a few more things you can do. The interior is a little spartan, but you could improve that by painting it a dark color or replacing the butt-ugly steering wheel with one fabricated from brass wire. Likewise you could raise the car axels (they are at "lowrider" height) with a few simple cuts from a dremel, and you could replace the spoked wheels with wheels with moon type hub caps that you can get form Railmaster Exports. Even so, with just removing the tampo and painting the trim, this car looks as good as S scale models of the same car that I have bought from Revell or Jada for $3.99 to $4.99. At $.69 you can buy a bunch and spray paint them a rainbow of colors to populate your early post war era streets, and, since this is not a limited edition car, you can find them all year long. If you want a realistic effect, you can never have enough Chevy and Ford sedans on your layout (most layouts have way too many Corvettes, T-Birds and Caddys). As for me, whenever I find myself without a modeling project this year, I plan to paint up a few in different colors, or hit one or two with "rustall" and add them to my circa 1958 junkyard. (If I only had a magnetic crane to load them into gondolas, my life would be complete). Tom Gerbasi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27505	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: Scenery Item

Hot Wheels has put out some nice 'older' style cars the past couple of years,(the under a buck ones)...trouble with some of them is the goofy colored window glass!!! I haven't been buying many 1/64th cars lately, I have too many...but I'll be looking for the '47 you mentioned Tom. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27506	From: Ronald	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: 706 crossing flasher help

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > Ron, > Sure, it's an S train, isn't it?? ;-) > I was thinking about the flasher wiring. ACG used a trip activated by > the wheel flanges, so the lights flash on and off as the flanges hit the > trip. You could modify one to fit your, ahem, wider track, or you could > modify a track section to have a very short interrupted single outer rail. > Hook one end of the lights to the insulated piece, and the wheels will > activate the insulated rail as they run over it. OR, use a longer section of > isolated outer rail, run the wire through a 6 volt automotive flasher, and > they'll blink as long as a the rail is activated. Either SHOULD work, but I > haven't tried it, so your results may vary! ;-) (it's really hard for us > two railers to think in three rail power systems!) > S' > David Dewey > PS Thanks for the compliments to the group. I dunno why S is so "Secret," > 'cause all the S folks I know are very friendly. David, I really wish I knew more about wiring a layout. I might have actually figured this out on my own if I did. I'm going to have to try the insulated section and see what happens. Seems to me that might be the easiest thing to do. Thanks for the tip! I have a new barn/garage with a loft that I'm turning into my train room. Most of my layout is in my head at this point so I'm trying to figure things out ahead of time. Thanks again, Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27507	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: Re: New poll for S-Trains

On 10 Oct 2003 20:24:15 -0000, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: >If you run'em, what is your age group. >New or vintage AF inclusive. Hua???? Age of trains? How old you are? Position of the moon over your house? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27508	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: 1949 Packard 8 Sedan 1/64

Hey guys, I'm looking for a 1949 1/64 Packard Custom 8 sedan, one of my all time favorate old cars. Does anyone know if such a car was ever produced? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27509	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/11/2003
Subject: E-7s

Any word on the progress on the E-7s? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27510	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Scenery Item

Tom, Cool!! Thanks for the heads up! Hmm, magnetic crane that picks up die-cast stuff?? That I gotta see! Heh heh heh! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27511	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Drool time, now where's the Wayback machine?

Time for a little memory lane folks. While loading boxes for the move, I ran across a 1972 Hobby Surplus Sales catalog. Read 'em and weep! Complete All Aboard "The Landscapper" (SIC) set (8 panels w/two remote control switches) $39.95 Below that, All Aboard panels, including the "crossover" 26151 for $4.99 26756 bumpers (no bulb) 98 cents each, 6 for $3.99 26782 trestle sets (they still sell these) $2.49 or 4 for $7.99 12 No. 25 smoke capsules, $.99 or 6 packages for $3.99 23830 Piggy back unloader with car $5.99 23743 Track Maintenance car $9.98 23516 Motorized Rocket Sled & car $9.98 21107 Atlantic (w/ smoke) $19.95 24566 Auto Transport Car $3.99 or tractor trailer truck w/ cars only $1.29 AAAUGH!! Ahh, those were the days---oh wait, my allowance wasn't even $5 a week back then. RATS! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27512	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Drool time, now where's the Wayback machine?

Dave, We all have the stories of "What IF"??????????? American Flyer has always been important to me, but again, sometimes the heart grows fonder with time. When something is plentiful, we somehow seem to not take notice. Then when its scarce or gone, you know the rest. Im just so thankful that I have my American Flyer from my childhood, and have been fortunate enough to add to my collection as so many others have also experienced. But, wow, hindsight is 20/20, imagine if we had bought up all those cars and sets, WOW, now that is like a dream. Keep the memories alive. Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27513	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Drool time, now where's the Wayback machine?

Tom....Me too....I still have my 1945 Lionel set....My 48 302 pass set, and my 50 342 set....all works....and my coal loader that I put on lay a way.....paid my lunch money till it was paid for.....as for hindsight...remember the Domino Hoppers.....they sold for .50 each in 66................OFF TO YORK..........Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <TWesthelle@...> To: <djdewey@...>; <s-trains@...> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Drool time, now where's the Wayback machine? > Dave, > > We all have the stories of "What IF"??????????? > > American Flyer has always been important to me, but again, sometimes the > heart grows fonder with time. When something is plentiful, we somehow seem to not > take notice. Then when its scarce or gone, you know the rest. > Im just so thankful that I have my American Flyer from my childhood, and have > been fortunate enough to add to my collection as so many others have also > experienced. > > But, wow, hindsight is 20/20, imagine if we had bought up all those cars and > sets, > WOW, now that is like a dream. > > Keep the memories alive. > > Tom Westhelle > Oviedo, FL > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27514	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Scenery Item

I wonder how it works. There are prototype cranes that pick up nonferrous metals. It works by inducing a magnetic field in the pile of metal then picks up the that field. I wonder if the model works the same way. Thank you Larry Jackman On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 11:27 PM, David Dewey wrote: > Tom, > Cool!! Thanks for the heads up! Hmm, magnetic crane that picks up > die-cast stuff?? That I gotta see! Heh heh heh! > S' > David D. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27515	From: rkuepper	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Making progress!

I posted some new photos. Have now completed the inner folded figure-eight loop to add to the outside loop. Lots of wiring this weekend - Ouch, why did I build those tables at a 36" height? http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album50?&page=4 Have a great weekend. Hope to be at chat tonight. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27516	From: Tom	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Scenery Item

Hi Guys, I was thinking of something more low tech, like putting some iron inside the die cast car and using an electromagnet to pick it up. My problem is that if the magnet is powerful enough to pick up a diecast car with a large slug of iron in it, it picks up a lot of other things that I would rather not leave the layout. Also, an electromagnet that powerful looks unrealistically large to my eye. My current game plan is to use the diecast cars painted to look like rust buckets as scenery in the junkyard, but actually lift up cars made by molding aluminum foil over a diecast car then carefully removing it, then painting it up with gloss black in the window area and rust on the body and attaching a steel washer inside with contact cement. These cars are a lot lighter, and can be lifted with a relatively small magnet but aren't durable. Well, sometime before I die, I'll get it operational. It gives me something to keep my mind busy. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Tom" <kgerbasi@...> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scenery Item > I wonder how it works. There are prototype cranes that pick up > nonferrous metals. It works by inducing a magnetic field in the pile of > metal then picks up the that field. I wonder if the model works the > same way. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > > On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 11:27 PM, David Dewey wrote: > > > Tom, > > Cool!! Thanks for the heads up! Hmm, magnetic crane that picks up > > die-cast stuff?? That I gotta see! Heh heh heh! > > S' > > David D. > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27517	From: Ronald	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: 706 crossing flasher help

>If you just isolate a ten inch section of rail, >then the light will >just stay on the whole time the train is passing >and will not blink. >Doesn't Lionel make a track trip that only >connects the circuit to >the accessory when the wheel depresses the >contact? That's what >Flyer uses. Hi Ted, I think you're right about the long section of rail, but if I make it a very short section it would give me the flashing effect. Though I think both lights would blink together. Lionel does make a track trip that I could use if I rewire the flasher so that each light has a seperate circuit. (2 hot and a common ground) This way you get alternating lights. I'm reluctant to start doctoring the flahers I have as they are in great shape. I guess I'll just have to add a loop of S track to my train table so I can use them like they're supposed to be used and then when I find a couple of flashers that need help I can attempt to rewire them. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27518	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Flyer switch question

Hi folks, My new layout is slowly coming along. This one is designed so that I can reach every inch of the layout with no access holes. It follows around the walls. It has two passenger lines on the top level and two main freight lines on the lower level. I'm trying to reduce the number of wires under my layout table. I ran a 12 gauge copper wire for my base. I'm running a few circuit strips for my accessories. Is there any problem attaching the base and yellow wires directly from a switch to the bus and accessory strip? That way I'd only need to run two wires from the switch controller. Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27519	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 12, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27520	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer switch question

No problem. That's how mine are wired. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jollivier4@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer switch question > Hi folks, > > My new layout is slowly coming along. This one is designed so that I can > reach every inch of the layout with no access holes. It follows around the walls. > It has two passenger lines on the top level and two main freight lines on > the lower level. > > I'm trying to reduce the number of wires under my layout table. I ran a 12 > gauge copper wire for my base. I'm running a few circuit strips for my > accessories. Is there any problem attaching the base and yellow wires directly from > a switch to the bus and accessory strip? That way I'd only need to run two > wires from the switch controller. > > Jacques > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27521	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer switch question

10/12/03 Dear Jacques: In my opinion, in theory it is fine to use the Base and Fixed Voltage bus that you are setting up to power the lamp in the switch as well as for providing a return path to the Base post of the transformer for the momentary Fixed Voltage input from the Flyer switch controllers that is required to "switch the switch." Note well, this is assuming that there is not a significant voltage drop in the bus caused by wire gauge, connections or the loading of the bus. In a nutshell, in theory it will work. In practice it takes some planning so that you have the proper voltage available to slam a sticky switch open or closed. If you have any doubts regarding your setup or application, my advice is to wire the switches directly to the controller. Best Regards, Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27522	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /S-Chat Transcripts/s-chat-10-12-03.txt Uploaded by : myflyertrains <myflyertrains@...> Description : S-Chat transcript 10-12-03 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/S-Chat%20Transcripts/s-chat-10-12-03.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, myflyertrains <myflyertrains@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27523	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/12/2003
Subject: Re: 706 crossing flasher help

Ron, Yes, the AF crossing signal has both lights on at the same time. If you want to use the L trip, you can wire it to two crossing signals, one on each side of the grade crossing and have one blink on while the other one is off. This way you won't have to rewire the crossbucks, which is a bit difficult, as you have to cut the back metal and add a second wire to seperate the bulb circuits. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27524	From: knockbill	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: Re: 760

Hi Ronald You can also use blinking bulbs in the signal, they tend to cycle at slightly different times.... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27525	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: It's GATS Season

Hi All, For those of you who live in Florida or will be visiting this weekend, (10/18 - 10/19), there is a GATS meet in Fort Myers, FL which is on the SW coast. Harborside Convention Center, 1375 Monroe St. Time is 11:00 to 5:00, both days. If traveling I 75, take exit 141 (old exit 25) and head West on Palm Beach Boulevard. The Convention Center will be on your right after about 4 miles. (turn right on Monroe St. for parking). See you there. ...Barb PS Don't forget you can get a $1 off entry coupon at www.GATS.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27526	From: Neil Becker	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: Flyer & Fans

I thought this group might be interested in info from another group......... From the ObservationCar list: As for the November <Trains> issue (maybe a B+ on Flanary's Scale of Editorial Achievement), I would observe one particularly interesting thing about the cover. In act, I'm amazed that our own Mike "A.C Gilbert" Schafer hasn't noticed it. The Ferromex train appears to be running on American Flyer track. Notice the black "metal" widely spaced ties and "Genuine T-Rail." Man, that's realism no Lionel train will ever match! Ron Flanary (who was always an American Flyer man!) Paul Schneider replies: Ron isn't the only notable railfan with an American Flyer toy train background. The list includes: George Drury Jim Boyd Kevin Keefe Yours Truly Mike Schafer Here's a question for these folks and the list at large: Why was Flyer the toy train of choice for people who went on to be movers and shakers in the railfan (read: prototype) world? Sidebar: I almost wore my American Flyer T-shirt for my cameo in *Kill Another Day* (I play Railfan No. 1, go figure). Unfortunately, there are licensing issues to contend with (Lionel owns the rights to the American Flyer name, to the chagrin of die-hard Flyer people), so I opted for my Chicago Great Western T-shirt. Hey, if Mr. Deramus wants to sue me from beyond the grave, contact my crystal or Green Tara statue and leave a message. Paul Schneider and..... American Flyer fans are invited to contact me off list regarding an upcoming public "Flyer Fest" Andover Junction Publications is hosting in Mendota, Ill , this holiday season. Mike Schafer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27527	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: myflyertrains

Recently I have been unable to access the myflyertrains site. Has the URL changed or what? I refer to the catalogs very often and am lost without it. Thanks. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27528	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: AF Compatible #8 Switches

Don wrote that the cost of the drawings would be $10,000. The cost of the tooling is $100,000. Don also wrote he would start work if I supplied $11,000. My $1,000 offer looks pretty silly. No, I didn't win the lottery on Saturday. Unless my financials change drastically, you will not hear of this from me again. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27529	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: Re: Options for young people

10/13/03 Dear Bruce et al. Agreed, I have no fascination with that ridiculous 3 rail track. No offense intended, but it just isn't for me either. I have found that kids like all the stuff including, but not limited to, original Flyer track, locomotives, and rolling stock, not to mention SHS and K-Line. I think that it is best to start with something available and less expensive like old Flyer track and a plastic or cast steam locomotive. There is always time to migrate into what's on the upper shelves of the train room later on and introduce the nicer track and such as kids get older. A case in point is my soon-to-be 7 year old. He didn't care too much for the plastic Atlantic once he got his hands on a cast one. In a nutshell, I think that starting small and inexpensive is best. You don't want to spoil 'em right away :) Best Regards, Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27530	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: Re: Options for young people

K-Line S was made for you! Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <castironv8@...> To: <willisbd@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Options for young people > 10/13/03 > > Dear Bruce et al. > > Agreed, I have no fascination with that ridiculous 3 rail track. No offense > intended, but it just isn't for me either. > > I have found that kids like all the stuff including, but not limited to, > original Flyer track, locomotives, and rolling stock, not to mention SHS and > K-Line. I think that it is best to start with something available and less > expensive like old Flyer track and a plastic or cast steam locomotive. There is > always time to migrate into what's on the upper shelves of the train room later > on and introduce the nicer track and such as kids get older. A case in point > is my soon-to-be 7 year old. He didn't care too much for the plastic > Atlantic once he got his hands on a cast one. In a nutshell, I think that starting > small and inexpensive is best. You don't want to spoil 'em right away :) > > Best Regards, > Curtis Dorwart > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27531	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: "Toy Train Memories".....

It's getting that time again to start thinkin' about Christmas gifts for that train nut,...or yourself,..well same thing!! If you didn't get a copy of "Toy Train Memories" last year, I checked at Amazon.com,...and there are a few 'used' copies to be found. I bought a used for a relative of mine,...also, NEW prices on this book are cheaper then ordering the book direct from Kalmback. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0871161982/qid%3D1066098039/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-6817992-4808742 And of course,....as I have mentioned MANY times before,....page 33 is my favorite.... because it is a FULL page of yours truly! I think it is a very nice book,...lots of "O" of course, but there is Flyer and other trains in it. Newer photos as well as the old B & W photos sent in by readers of 'Classic Toy Trains'. And no,...I don't get royalties (SP?)!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27532	From: myflyertrains	Date: 10/13/2003
Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.Org

Hello. I left for vacation, which includes a stop at York last Thursday. I was so busy getting ready for the trip, that I did not notice that my web hosting company had my server down since Wednesday. This is Monday evening, and they are still down and uncooperative about updates. I am firing them! The good news is, that MyFlyerTrains.Org will be back bigger and better then ever, sooner rather then later. I think I have managed to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat! I have engaged a new web hosting company, and have secured so much web space that I could host every kind of S gauge content that I could possibly think of, and host all of the other S gauge web sites on the Internet, and still have free space! Fortunately I am staying with a friend in Michigan that has a cable modem. I am plugged into his hub currently, and uploading the files to the new site. It will take 24 to 72 hours until you will be able to access the website by the url: http://myflyertrains.org However, I hope within a couple of hours to have it working with the url http://myflyertrains.com Try this url if the other does not work. It is likely that the message base of the All Aboard sets club will be down for perhaps as many as two weeks, and the page hit counters will probably not work. The rest of the site, catalog content etc will be there though. I appologize for any inconvience, but I am dealing with the problems the best that I can seeing that I am on the road with a laptop and do not have the resources I have available at home. Thanks, Chuck Harrington MyFlyerTrains.Org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27533	From: Clay Kinsner	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories".....

Hi everyone: We still have them in stock... Best, Clay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] "Toy Train Memories"..... > It's getting that time again to start thinkin' about Christmas gifts for that > train nut,...or yourself,..well same thing!! > If you didn't get a copy of "Toy Train Memories" last year, I checked at Amazon.com,...and there are a few 'used' copies to be found. I bought a used for a relative of mine,...also, NEW prices on this book are cheaper then ordering the book direct from Kalmback. > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0871161982/qid%3D1066098039/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-6817992-4808742 > > And of course,....as I have mentioned MANY times before,....page 33 is my favorite.... > because it is a FULL page of yours truly! > I think it is a very nice book,...lots of "O" of course, but there is Flyer and other trains in it. > Newer photos as well as the old B & W photos sent in by readers of 'Classic Toy Trains'. > And no,...I don't get royalties (SP?)!!! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27534	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: TMCC miniaturization ( My Way)

For those interested in using TMCC in Lionel Flyer or Can motor equipped engines.. Lionel's TMCC system's receiver current design is too large for installation in some AF engines. The original LCRU design would fit in the AF Geeps with heatsink modification but that unit is no longer available. Digital Dynamics AC/DC DLX will fit in most AF tenders but will not fit into the AF Geep and smaller tenders. The receiver (R2LC) made today has been modularized and is separate from the motor driver board, Railsound board, and Mother board. I have designed a no frills TMCC half wave DC motor driver board to fit in a much smaller space than even the old LCRU design. This design is suitable for most DC can motors. Here is a link that presents a design possibility if the modeler has a little skill with the soldering iron. http://www.tuveson.com/DriverBoard/TMCCBoardMain.htm Have fun. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27535	From: editor	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Call for S Standard Gauge Images!

Greetings Everyone, I realize that we've just mailed out Vol 8 Iss 1,... but Printer Holiday requirements for this next issue have tightened up our timetable and at this point we have no S Standard Gauge / Vertical Format image to run. Randy Smith made a *quick* $35.00 for his Narrow Gauge Cover Photo on this first Issue Back. Obviously, we are calling for Calendar photos as well & everyone is invited to have their photo in both the Calendar AND the SMG. Requirements: Image needs to be in the most *original* format. The printer played fits with some of our images in the first issue ... live & learn! The rest of the requirements are the same as what pat provided you last week. We also have requirements on the SMG www.ModelingGuide.com website. Happy Clicking! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 0056 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27536	From: editor	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: Call for S Standard Gauge Images!

Greetings Everyone, I realize that we've just mailed out Vol 8 Iss 1,... but Printer Holiday requirements for this next issue have tightened up our timetable and at this point we have no S Standard Gauge / Vertical Format image to run. Randy Smith made a *quick* $35.00 for his Narrow Gauge Cover Photo on this first Issue Back. Obviously, we are calling for Calendar photos as well & everyone is invited to have their photo in both the Calendar AND the SMG. Requirements: Image needs to be in the most *original* format. The printer played fits with some of our images in the first issue ... live & learn! The rest of the requirements are the same as what pat provided you last week. We also have requirements on the SMG www.ModelingGuide.com website. Happy Clicking! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 0056 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27537	From: waldootten	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories".....

> And of course,....as I have mentioned MANY times before,....page 33 is my favorite.... > because it is a FULL page of yours truly! ___________________________________________________________________ Very, very scary... but off your post, I went and bought one! And Amazon.com got a few more of my dollars with my adding a couple of other Gilbert and train books I didn't have... Rick, do you do book signings? ;-) Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27538	From: Ronald	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: 706 crossing flasher help

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > Ron, > Yes, the AF crossing signal has both lights on at the same time. If you > want to use the L trip, you can wire it to two crossing signals, one on each > side of the grade crossing and have one blink on while the other one is off. > This way you won't have to rewire the crossbucks, which is a bit difficult, > as you have to cut the back metal and add a second wire to seperate the bulb > circuits. > S' > David D. Thanks David. Another list member refered me to an article that gives you step by step instructions. I think I've finally decided to just leave the ones I have alone and pick up some basket cases to rebuild and rewire for three rail.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27539	From: Ronald	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: 760

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "knockbill" <jdefelice@n...> wrote: > Hi Ronald > You can also use blinking bulbs in the signal, they tend to cycle at > slightly different times.... > John Thanks John, I might just try that to see what kind of results I get.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27540	From: Ronald	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Track

Allright guys, can you stand one more question from a "S" gage newbie?? I'd like to put together a small table and run my Flyer set. What I have is a bunch of Pikemaster track (I think that is what it is called). Should I scrap it and use regular Flyer track? What about adding more track? Is it tough to get more of this track? What about switches? I guess that's more than one question isn't it! Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27541	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: "Toy Train Memories".....

it was asked, "Rick, do you do book signings? ;-)" I dunno about that, but he does crop circles! S' David D. PS Rick--gotcha!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27542	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/14/2003
Subject: Re: Track

Ron, The Pikemaster track has a tighter radius than standard S track, many things don't like running on it. ACG had to modify loco bodies to get enough clearance to run them on it, so yes, I would set it aside (people collect the stuff, so don't "scrap" it) and use regular track, which is still very available; although straight track is more expensive than curved. Switches are a bargin nowadays, running in the $40 range for a pair. These puppies sold new for $17.95, so that is a bargin compared to other prices and inflation! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27543	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Need AF Baldwin Shell

Folks in S land! I need a Baldwin shell to finish up 2 projects (one retoration - one critter bash) - I need the back end steps and the front end of the "hood" - anyone have a shell they would be willing to part with? - a shell with some "midriff meltdown" would work fine! Contact me off list please. dmunsey@... Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel and VGN Rwy fan trapped in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27544	From: Kathy Blanchard	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: New to the list

Hi Gang, I am new to the list. I am the owner of Pine Canyon Scale Models.com . We specialize in scale structures, kits and fully built. We would like to know what you would like to see produced in the future. Like most, I have collected and run most scales. I quess I am an old rubber gauger. I model in HO, S and O, but run AF and the bad guy. Happy Railroading, Keith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27545	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Building a website?

Hi Folks Here are two great websites for free items to put on you web pages American Flyer Horizontal Rules http://www.tandem-associates.com/americanflyer.htm Free AF rules. By Charles Wilber Bells & Whistles http://www.bellsnwhistles.com/page38.html Free Animations, Graphics, Javascripts, Resources, Software, etc. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27546	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: eBay item 3149899162 (Ends Oct-21-03 190356 PDT) - American Flyer 2

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3149899162&category=480 Disappointed with the mis-leading of the "rarity" of this car. First he list the car as a 24006 in the header, which is a 5 in TM. But then, he states it is a 913, a common car, with a 24006 box. Many of the cars in 1958, were still the 3 digits in 5 digit boxes. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27547	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Gargrave switches and NJI switch machines wanted

A friend who does not have internet access is looking for a couple of NJI switch machines for the older, movable frog, Gargrave switches. Does anyone have a couple they would be willing to sell? Thanks! Bill billclark42@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27548	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: another layout question

Hi, Do you guys have any special systems for wiring switch controllers? Clockwise? Counterclockwise? All of one line together? I'm looking for a system that I can remember easily when I'm operating. Aren't there some special vitamins for that? Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27549	From: Howard	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Re: New to the list

HI All I have built some of Keith's kits and sold some. They have been a good kit for S. Check out his site. Howard Sheffield Howard' S Trains 1201 Hemingway Dr. Roseville, CA 95747 916-773-4415 916-769-8362 cell/day -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Blanchard [mailto:tonkamoes@...] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:33 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New to the list Hi Gang, I am new to the list. I am the owner of Pine Canyon Scale Models.com . We specialize in scale structures, kits and fully built. We would like to know what you would like to see produced in the future. Like most, I have collected and run most scales. I quess I am an old rubber gauger. I model in HO, S and O, but run AF and the bad guy. Happy Railroading, Keith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27550	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Logging trucks?

Does anyone know of a source for logging trucks in 1/64? My son ahs a need for a logging truck to get the logs to the sawmill! gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27551	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay item 3149899162 (Ends Oct-21-03 190356 PDT) - American Fly

Mike Agreed, it isn't even the late production body shell/chassis, but the box is fairly scarce. (I think the 5 digit car was but haven't seen one to verify) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27552	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/15/2003
Subject: Re: eBay item 3149899162 (Ends Oct-21-03 190356 PDT) - American Fly

David, Okay, if the box is scarce, maybe, as I have many of 3 digit cars in "rare" 5 digit boxes. IE: the 936 PA car in a 24519 0r 24518 box and so with the rest of the rare cars. Plus the rare 989 and 947's in those rare 5 digit boxes and so on. But did he have to list this bid as a 24006 car when he states in the description the car is a common 913? The way he listed it, got my attention and that wasn't right then. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay item 3149899162 (Ends Oct-21-03 190356 PDT) - American Flyer 24006 GN Boxc > Mike > Agreed, it isn't even the late production body shell/chassis, but the > box is fairly scarce. (I think the 5 digit car was but haven't seen one to > verify) > S' > David D. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27553	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Re: SHS at York

The adventure begins, a new hall. Yes, we will be in the new Orange Hall, Row B. We are in the left hand corner, a nice 20 X 20 booth. Come and visit. We have painted samples of the ore car as well as painted samples of the B&O and WM 2-8-0. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27554	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: cow on track

My grand kids ove the con on the track. Mine developed a short and burned up. Does anyone in the group have one they want to sell??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27555	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Re: cow on track

I know it was a typo "con on the track" but it does provide an idea for a new accessory!!! :-) S' DAvid D. PS Bob H can probably rewind it for you, you might even be able to do it, it's just a straight coil.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27556	From: garyandkay66203	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: cow on track

David, thank you for your correction. It is the cow on track that I am looking for. As you said a con on the track could be an interesting accessory.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27557	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: "Con on the Track"

**(((I know it was a typo "con on the track" but it does provide an idea for a new accessory!!!))*** Awww David,...ya beat me to it!! I picture 'Con on the Track', as a seen from the movie "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?".... where George Glooney and his two sidekicks try to jump aboard a rolling boxcar!! I LOVE that movie!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27558	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Re: "Con on the Track"

***(((I picture 'Con on the Track', as a seen from the movie "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?"....)))*** Sorry,..."SCENE",..not "SEEN" !!!!!! I shouldn't type before caffine in the a.m.!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27559	From: editor	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: S/Sn3 Scale Calendar Photo Contest

Greetings Everyone, For those of you who may not read the S-Scale list, the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide & Pat turner have teamed up with a: S/Sn3 Scale Calendar Photo Contest. All 1/64th Scalers are invited to submit an entry. Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 0056 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27560	From: Rhett George	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2039

- GreetingS- Jacques asked about keeping track of turnout controllers and which one goes with which turnout. From the recesses in my memory, more dim than dark, I thought about a scheme described by another many moons ago. The track diagram was painted on a suitable board such as Masonite or plywood. In the centers of each of the diverging parts of a turnout a hole was drilled. A machine screw with a large, flat or oval head was inserted. On the back side of the screw on straight ahead route a green wire was put around the screw and a nut secured it. The other end went to the green terminal on the turnout. On the curving away route the same thing was done using a red wire. The black terminals of the turnouts were connected to the basepoint on the transformer. The accessory (yellow) line was connected to a probe very much like one used with a voltmeter. Touching this to a screw head energized the coil connected to that screw, thus setting the turnout. This allowed the route to be set by toouching each screw head associated with the desired route on the diagram panel. Inexpensive, yes. Unfortunately, there is no visible record of which way the turnout was set. Lack of a diplay can be overcome. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27561	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: con on the track

I have often thought that Gilbert really blew it by not taking the cow on the track concept far enough. They should have made one where a villain "ties" a girl to the track with magnets, and then a hero comes along and picks her up right before the train gets there. Would have been an ideal accessory for the Frontiersman sets. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27562	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Re: con on the track

The cow could be taken off & replaced with a flagman Or Car, Etc. My 2 cents, Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27563	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Cow on the track.

I replaced the hokey Gilbert cow with an "Ertl Farm" 1/64 scale cow. Looks much better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27564	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 10/16/2003
Subject: Cow on track

I replaced the hokey Gilbert cow with an "Ertl Farm" 1/64 scale cow. Looks much better. From the dead deer I see, I doubt a train today would enen notice a cow, but a cow to the scale of the ACG cow would get noticed jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27565	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: Cow on track

jfred wrote: >I replaced the hokey Gilbert cow with an "Ertl Farm" 1/64 scale cow. >Looks much better. I'll bet it does. That's one accessory mod I've longed to make, as soon as I find a suitable "junk" c.o.t. mechanism missing it's cow. (Can't bring myself to remove Bossy from the one we have. That "collector" thing rearing its head...) It would look especially nice to use the Ertl cow with its head looking to its left. Wasn't it nice of Ertl to make a cow that looks straight into the nose of the loco about to run it over? Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27566	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Girl on Track

Tom mentioned a neat accessory would be a girl on track with someone to rescue her before the train arrived. That "L" company makes an accessory with a Mountie rescuing a damsel in distress. Of course it's O gauge.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27567	From: D.J. Harrison	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: GATS in Indianapolis

Just a reminder to everyone that may not know the Great American Train Show is at the Indianapolis State Fairgrounds this weekend. The Friday set up hours are 3pm to 9pm. Saturday morning set up is from 7am to 11am. Sunday exhibitor move in is 10am to 11am. Saturday and Sunday it is open to the public from 11am to 5pm Sorry for the repeat for some of you. I would like to meet any and all of you that are S operators near Indianapolis. Being new to the S line and just receiving my dad's American Flyer 326 set and just purchasing an 806 4-8-4 Challenger set, am ready to get my layout going. Thanks to all that have created these groups and made it fun for us new comers. Thanks DeWayne Harrison --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27568	From: Gale Hall	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Girl on track

See Tom, I told you there was the accessory all ready.. gale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27569	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: Girl on track

Well, we need to make the S version better! The girl should be made so that the part(s) lying across the rails will separate as the train runs over her in case she wasn't rescued in time.! Roger Petrella Franktown, CO -----Original Message----- From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...> Sent: Oct 17, 2003 8:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Girl on track See Tom, I told you there was the accessory all ready.. gale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27570	From: richard.spritz@uchsc.edu	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2040

Not an S question, but one that maybe somebody knows the answer to nevertheless. I just received a circa 1925 AF O-gauge windup freight set with early drop-flange couplers. There is a strange AF windup straight track section that has a crosspiece that, by twisting 90 degrees, raises up a small metal protrusion, centered, about a quarter inch above track level. It appears to be an original factory piece, not a home-made modification (though one never really knows). I have never seen this before in many years of collecting AF. Does anybody know what it is? My only guess is that it is a very primitive uncoupler. Thanks, Rich Spritz richard.spritz@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27571	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Help! CD problems

**((((It's not my computer, folks, its the CD!)))*** I'm having problems recovering train photos from a CD also,...and buring them unto the CD....my problem is with my burner software apparently....not compatible with Windows XP....I'm still trying to get it figured out!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27572	From: waldootten	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Help! CD problems

>>My problem is with my burner software apparently....not compatible with Windows XP....I'm still trying to get it figured out!!<< Go to the website of the CD burner manufacturer and see if they have an updated driver for Windows XP. The generic CD burner software bundled with XP is not very good. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27573	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: CD Burner

RIck, you will probably need to get upgraded software. Check to see it there is a 32 bit driver in Wxp. If not got the Roxio Easy CD Creator. I believe I am using version 5 on Wxp Professional. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27574	From: trainman634	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Caboose frame removal

Hi Folks, I need your help. I purchased a AF repainted caboose from Hobby Surplus Sales. I want to remove the frame from the caboose shell. How do I do this without doing damage to the shell? There are no screws in the ends of the shell. It looks like it is snapped in. The frame is metal. Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27575	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 19, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27576	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

Paul, I got a new computer with windows XP and I don't know how to get on chat with it via AOL. You walked me through the start-find-on the internet-file open, etc., but this doesn't have a find option. Any help?? Thanks. Steve PS would you like to see a CD of our trip to Utah, Colorado, and New Mexico, riding trains and going through Nat'l parks? You can take any photos off of it that you might like to post on your site. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27577	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: 952 Chassis?

I recently acquired a very nice 952 shell for nothing. Any chance someone out there has a 952 chassis that they would be willing to part with? Maybe a 952 that is beyond shell repair? gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27578	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Gilbert Diesel Can motors

Memo to all list members: (and their friends) The initial rush/backlog of Diesels sent in for the can motor conversions has subsided, and we are all caught up except for a few Geeps that we are still waiting on a part for from the machine shop. Now is the time to send them in to get back before Christmas. The turn around time on Alcos is now less than a week. The price has been reduced (as previously advertised) to $99.95 for single motor and $139.95 for dual motors. The installation includes a Dallee #400 electronic reverse unit and we re-bush trucks as needed, for $19.95 per truck if all parts are reusable. In most cases we have replaced the steel drive gears with nylon. It makes it an easier installation and they run quieter. All NASG members that identify themselves as such receive a $10 discount on the Diesel conversions. The Baldwin Diesel "kits" have done well and we still have plenty of them left if you have been dragging your feet. Check with someone on the list that has done one and you will see how easy and efficient it is. They also come with Dallee reverse unit and a 6 oz. lead weight for better traction. They are $89.95. Check our web site for details. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27579	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 10/17/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2040

Well, we need to make the S version better! The girl should be made so that the part(s) lying across the rails will separate as the train runs over her in case she wasn't rescued in time.! Roger I had thought I was the kinkiest guy on the list--Tom Hillery

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27580	From: David	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Poll Results

POLL QUESTION: If you run'em, what is your age group. New or vintage AF inclusive. CHOICES AND RESULTS - 0-10 Years, 0 votes, 0.00% - 11-20 Years, 1 votes, 1.30% - 21-30 Years, 0 votes, 0.00% - 31-40 Years, 2 votes, 2.60% - 41-50 Years, 21 votes, 27.27% - 51-60 Years, 37 votes, 48.05% - 61-70 Years, 15 votes, 19.48% - Over 70 Years, 1 votes, 1.30%

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27581	From: rkuepper	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: CVSGA layouts

At Chat a few weeks ago I mentioned that the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association had 4 layouts running at the NMRA meet earlier this month. Thought you might enjoy some photos. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun44 Have a great weekend! Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27582	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Girl on track Acc.

Alright youse guys, this is too much! Besides, there would have to be little refill capsules of fake blood, and that would have to be tested by FDA to be certain it is non-toxic AND then the carpet people would have to test it to guarantee that it would not leave permanent stains. . . . Nah, too much Bureaucracy, back to the design phase. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27583	From: William Lange	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results

Gee, If we ran this 4 months later, I would have made it to the largest group! :) Bill Lange > -----Original Message----- > From: David [mailto:Dave0616@...] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 7:21 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Poll Results > > > POLL QUESTION: If you run'em, what is your age group. > New or vintage AF inclusive. > > CHOICES AND RESULTS > - 0-10 Years, 0 votes, 0.00% > - 11-20 Years, 1 votes, 1.30% > - 21-30 Years, 0 votes, 0.00% > - 31-40 Years, 2 votes, 2.60% > - 41-50 Years, 21 votes, 27.27% > - 51-60 Years, 37 votes, 48.05% > - 61-70 Years, 15 votes, 19.48% > - Over 70 Years, 1 votes, 1.30% > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27584	From: butchclimax	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: "BuzzBox"

Hi S ers, I was running an old 302 around my little layout and for the first time, decided to lock in the remote. Well, it was kinda hard to hear the choo-choo over the constant buzz coming from the tender. Question is, assuming this is normal, is there a way to quiet the thing down (even a little) short of converting to DC etc? Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27585	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: for Skip Kendel

Skip: what is your email address? I have some comments on the track plan you posted in Paul Yorke's albums. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27586	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Re: POLL RESULTS

It appears our goal of reaching older HO & N modelers with failing eyesight is not working. I am in the minority at 62 years old. Staying on the NPSG branch of NASG track, Glenn now NMRA too! Message: 11 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:21:29 -0000 From: "David" <Dave0616@...> Subject: Poll Results POLL QUESTION: If you run'em, what is your age group. New or vintage AF inclusive. CHOICES AND RESULTS - 0-10 Years, 0 votes, 0.00% - 11-20 Years, 1 votes, 1.30% - 21-30 Years, 0 votes, 0.00% - 31-40 Years, 2 votes, 2.60% - 41-50 Years, 21 votes, 27.27% - 51-60 Years, 37 votes, 48.05% - 61-70 Years, 15 votes, 19.48% - Over 70 Years, 1 votes, 1.30% __________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:11:16 -0400 From: "William Lange" <blange3@...> Subject: FW: Poll Results Gee, If we ran this 4 months later, I would have made it to the largest group! :) Bill Lange > -----Original Message----- > From: David [mailto:Dave0616@...] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 7:21 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Poll Results > > > POLL QUESTION: If you run'em, what is your age group. > New or vintage AF inclusive. > > CHOICES AND RESULTS > - 0-10 Years, 0 votes, 0.00% > - 11-20 Years, 1 votes, 1.30% > - 21-30 Years, 0 votes, 0.00% > - 31-40 Years, 2 votes, 2.60% > - 41-50 Years, 21 votes, 27.27% > - 51-60 Years, 37 votes, 48.05% > - 61-70 Years, 15 votes, 19.48% > - Over 70 Years, 1 votes, 1.30% >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27587	From: Edward G.	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Coo-Coo -Coo -Coo >>>Coo- Coo Coo-Cooooooo

HAY Dave ..I'M CALLIN YOUHOOOoooooooo..Now some Noise from the GREAT White North ..."Eh" I happen to have that "L" accessory...So comon one of you S guage Brainiac's..Does anyone have a wiring diagram of how the Mountie (NELSON)..can save Indian Maiden..(Janet)...so it will work on Flyer track ...all ya get from the L people is a track trip that is usless and no Help for us AF ers......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27588	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: NASG Webite Award

Hi Folks The NASG promotions committee will present a new NASG award at Next years convention in Chicago. The award will be for the Best S Scale website. It can be on any aspect of S model, business or individual website. please go to http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/id16.html to see the award and sent me your vote per instructions, or email directly to john.foley16@... The winner will be able to post the award image on their website and will receive a plaque at the convention. No hurry to vote. the cut off may 31st 04. All cyber S folks may vote. John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27589	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Poll results.

Well, I couldn't participate in the [poll because the AOL browser is not recognized by Yahoo and it just keeps sending me back to the sign on screen. I'm 65. I run em. I fix em, I modify em, and I love em! Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27590	From: rkuepper	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Progress

Hi Folks - Won't be at chat tomorrow because of a CVSGA meeting. Posted some pix of progress over the past week. Have a great weekend. Dick http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album50?&page=5 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27591	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/18/2003
Subject: Re: Poll Results

Bill, Yep, but right now we're a minority and can ask for special treatment!! At least I can until March! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27592	From: Curtis	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results

10/19/03 Boy, I really feel like I'm hanging on the fringe! I wonder who are the other two folks are in the 40 or under group? Stand up and be counted! :) Still hangin' in at 40

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27593	From: rkuepper	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results

I remember 40.... well, sort of! Does that count? Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis " <castironv8@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:36 AM Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results > 10/19/03 > > Boy, I really feel like I'm hanging on the fringe! > > I wonder who are the other two folks are in the 40 or under group? > Stand up and be counted! > > :) > > Still hangin' in at 40 > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27594	From: waltdanylak@citlink.net	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: American Hi-Rail

For the first time in several years, Tom Hodgson attended the TCA Meet at York this past Friday and Saturday. Most all of the items he has offered in the past are still available with the exception of the NYC 20th Century Limited Dreyfus Hudson shells, which are sold out. He had three new products, at least new to me, maybe some of you guys in the Chicago area may have seen them before. The first is a 50' wood, round roof, Express Reefer, somewhat like the old kit that Kinsman offered several years ago. The second is a NYC style centipede tender to go with the AF NYC Hudson. Last is the Alco-GE DL109 A unit. Best bet is either to call (847-587-1116) or write for pricing. Tom's address is: 37695 Jeanette Court, Spring Grove, IL 60081. Tom is a hard man to catch by phone so many it would be better to write. Be sure to enclose a LSSAE when writing. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27595	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Re: SHS website update

Good News, our webmaster has updated the SHS website and the latest shipment can be seen and ordered on the following links. for rebuilt boxcars: http://www.showcaseline.com/rebuiltboxcars_in_stock.html for 2 bay PS-2 covered hoppers: http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html for our 40' wooden stock car: http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html for out 53'6" GSC flatcars: http://www.showcaseline.com/fc_in_stock.html and the new roadnames for the ICC extended vision cabooses: http://www.showcaseline.com/evc_in_stock.html Thank you for your patience. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27596	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 19, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27597	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Canadian hopper

John Whitmore of Kaslo Shops Distributing has just announced that the grain-hopper project initiated by S Canada is a go! In a few days Kaslo will be calling for deposits on an S-scale model of the Canadian cylindrical grain hoppwe. For info e-mail jwhitmore@... Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27598	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: RC

Racing Champions (Ertl) is advertising MANY Route 66 vehicles on their website. My favorite is the 50' Chev tow truck! http://www.route66collection.com/ -- Ted Larson http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html?tid=edmunds.a.landing.buying..4.*

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27599	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: More on 1/64 scale RC cars

Awhile ago someone posted about the possibility of using 1/64 radio control cars in an S-gauge layout. I replied that I had tried the cars, and they were fine for racing in an open area, but the steering control wasn't granular enough to keep them on a 1/64 scale road. Well, someone has solved that problem, simply by making a track with side bumpers that are high enough to keep the cars confined to the scale "road". If interested, check out these two web sites: http://www.bonzergear.com/html/tracks.htm and http://www.bumper2bumperracing.com/ For those interested in the cars, note that die-cast ones are available now, check out: http://harcohobbies.com/mini-diecast-car-trucks.aspx and http://harcohobbies.com/micro_rc/micro_sizer/index.aspx I don't have any connection with any of these companies or products. I'm just posting this because I discouraged the idea earlier, and I want to correct the "mistake." Hopefully some readers will find the info useful, and those who don't will simply delete this message. Dan Brindell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27600	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/19/2003
Subject: Re: 1950 Tow Truck

****((((Racing Champions (Ertl) is advertising MANY Route 66 vehicles on their website. My favorite is the 50' Chev tow truck! http://www.route66collection.com/ terms/ )))***** Thanks for the 'heads-up'.....the truck looks pretty neat! I'll be lookin' for it!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27601	From: knockbill	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: york

Hi How did you like this York event? How about the orange hall? I didn't find too much this time,I got a bunch of bridges in need of help & I missed a 587 block signal missing its ladder......I hope one of you folks got it... The orange hall was big, but I didn't figure out the aisle layouts... seemed hard to get around.. seemed to be pretty well attended, we had to leave Friday ,,, How did Saturday go, any good deals have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27602	From: wintermutedm	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results

Im in that group, at 34. I feel like a youngster! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis " <castironv8@a...> wrote: > 10/19/03 > > Boy, I really feel like I'm hanging on the fringe! > > I wonder who are the other two folks are in the 40 or under group? > Stand up and be counted! > > :) > > Still hangin' in at 40

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27603	From: John Brockmann	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Guilford Station

Anyone have a wiring diagram for the above Station? Thanks,John.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27604	From: editor	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: More on 1/64 scale RC cars

<SNIP> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:40:39 -0400 From: "Dan Brindell" <dbrindell@...> Subject: Awhile ago someone posted about the possibility of using 1/64 radio control cars in an S-gauge layout. I replied that I had tried the cars, and they were fine for racing in an open area, but the steering control wasn't granular enough to keep them on a 1/64 scale road. Well, someone has solved that problem, simply by making a track with side bumpers that are high enough to keep the cars confined to the scale "road". If interested, check out these two web sites: http://www.bonzergear.com/html/tracks.htm and http://www.bumper2bumperracing.com/ For those interested in the cars, note that die-cast ones are available now, check out: http://harcohobbies.com/mini-diecast-car-trucks.aspx and http://harcohobbies.com/micro_rc/micro_sizer/index.aspx I don't have any connection with any of these companies or products. I'm just posting this because I discouraged the idea earlier, and I want to correct the "mistake." Hopefully some readers will find the info useful, and those who don't will simply delete this message. Dan Brindell Greetings , This is also a Yahoo group that races S scale bodies at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TCRL/ with lots of pictures Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 0056 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27605	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results

I wish I was in your group. BTW, since you are one of the three under 40, do you have any ideas of how we can get you some peers age-wise? Better yet, can anyone suggest how we can turn the hourglass around? Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wintermutedm" <dmerritt@y...> wrote: > Im in that group, at 34. > > I feel like a youngster! > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis " <castironv8@a...> wrote: > > 10/19/03 > > > > Boy, I really feel like I'm hanging on the fringe! > > > > I wonder who are the other two folks are in the 40 or under group? > > Stand up and be counted! > > > > :) > > > > Still hangin' in at 40

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27606	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Cow on Track for sale

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3150793927&category=480 Somebody was looking for a Cow On Track to replace the one he had, because it burned out. Here is one on Ebay, so maybe that might be a way for you to acquire another one. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27607	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Photo

Hi Folks I am in need of a photo of a Hirail layout With either code 125 or 184 track I already have a nice AF layout photo. It must be at least 2MB. can be a jpeg, tiff, or a PDF. If the photo is okay it will be used on some promotional literature with the owner of the layout in the caption. Please sent it to john.foley16@... as an attachment. John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27608	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Folks There has been a change with the NASG S Scale website award. We decided to call it the Josh Seltzer for s Scale Excellence. You can see it at http://sitebuilder.verizon.net/trellix/sitebuilder/f_edit_page.html So please vote for the S website of you choice. It can be an individuals, business or Club site. Scale, Hirail, AF, Narrow are a eligible as long as it is S. John Foley Any S Cyber folk can vote

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27609	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale]

Sorry Folks wrong address. Try this http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/id16.html John At 08:50 PM 10/20/2003 -0400, John A Foley wrote: >Hi Folks > There has been a change with the NASG S Scale website award. >We decided to call it the Josh Seltzer for s Scale Excellence. >You can see it at >http://sitebuilder.verizon.net/trellix/sitebuilder/f_edit_page.html >So please vote for the S website of you choice. It can be an individuals, >business or Club site. Scale, Hirail, AF, Narrow are a eligible as long as >it is S. >John Foley > >Any S Cyber folk can vote > > >To see or post Files or Photos, visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files >or http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/lst >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... >To POST, send a note to s-scale@yahoogroups.com >To SUBSCRIBE, send a note to s-scale-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27610	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results

10/20/03 Super! Two out of three 40 years old or under responses! I think that there is still 1 out there yet? I'll bet that there are more, but they did not respond to the poll. Best Regards, Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27611	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Any words on York

Gents, Was wondering if anyone at York had a chance to put down their thoughts, impressions and what they saw there. I remember last year got some info on new items etc seen at the show. Wish I could have been there but best I can do this year is Springfield, Ma in Feb. Regards, Joe H [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27612	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: ho to S

I saw at a train show this weekend the Walther's Cornerstone Series "Planing Mill". It sure is LARGE! Looks way to big for HO to me! If I had had a scale rule with me, I would have checked the doors. They looked like they too might have been real close to S scale. -- Ted Larson http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html?tid=edmunds.a.landing.buying..4.*

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27613	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ho to S

Hi Ted Is this the kit you are referring to, http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-3059 John At 09:29 PM 10/20/2003 -0400, Ted Larson wrote: >I saw at a train show this weekend the Walther's Cornerstone Series >"Planing Mill". It sure is LARGE! Looks way to big for HO to me! If I >had had a scale rule with me, I would have checked the doors. They >looked like they too might have been real close to S scale. >-- >Ted Larson >http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html?tid=edmunds.a.landing.buying..4.* > > >To see or post Files or Photos, visit >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files >or http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/lst >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... >To POST, send a note to s-scale@yahoogroups.com >To SUBSCRIBE, send a note to s-scale-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27614	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results

10/20/03 Dear Roy and List: That is a great question: How do you get the 40 and younger crowd in? I wish that I had a simple answer for you! From what I hear and read on this list and the Toy Train list the age issue is not unique to S. I think that it will ultimately hurt S more as we are already a minority and have the prospect of becoming even more "minor." I shutter at the thought! In any event, I believe that a fundamental thing is that the 40 and under crowd needs to be exposed to the hobby. Okay, nothing new here. I think it's call the "World's Greatest Hobby" Campaign, right? I believe that a good part of the problem, and one that is felt especially so on the S side, is that a lot of 40 and unders didn't have near the train exposure as those in the 50 + age group. Trains were on the way out, if not out already, by the time the 40 and unders were in their childhood "prime," so there are no toy train fond memories or the excitement to bring back. In my case I feel pretty luck. By the time I came into this world Mr. Gilbert was already dead and his company was well into their downward spiral. I was, however, fortunate enough to have two much older brothers (8 and 10 years my senior) who received two American Flyer train sets in the later 50's. These are the trains I remember as a little kid, even though I had an HO set of my own (still have it in the basement I think). To make a long story very short, the Flyer trains were retired to the attic, and when the old homestead went up for sale I took the Flyer trains with me because my brothers didn't want them anymore. I just couldn't stand the idea of chucking them into the trash, so I took them with me, and they moved with me from apartment to apartment and from house to house until I "rediscovered" them with the help of my son who was 2 years old at the time. Thank goodness to Thomas the Tank Engine and Grandpa's ridiculous 3 rail Lionel trains! Yep, my father-in-law is a die-hard Lionel fan. Between his ribbing of Flyer and My son's new found interest, I dug the Flyer stuff out of the basement, and a few years and a thousand or two dollars later, here I am! I never looked back. I just had to show my father in law that Flyer was STILL better than that bogus brand L stuff! Today I have a 7 year old who is starting out "right" with a firm foundation in S. He is joining the Tiger Cubs (Boy Scouts for First Graders), and I plan to introduce the other kids in his den to S during a planned exercise on trains and transportation. I think that this is one way to get some younger folks involved and get their parents involved too. We need to make some memories for the kids, so we need to take S out to them. The next question is how best to accomplish this. I am a firm believer that every little bit helps! Best Regards, Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27615	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: Any words on York

Dear Joe, I know we were all pretty anxious about the new Orange hall. Mike asked me to set-up, so he stood in for me at the SHS discussion of new products on Thursday morning at the TCA museum. In the past, I think everyone knew where to find us in the purple hall. But, we did have more space for a 6' x 10' area to display our S Trax system as well as operate of F7s. We had samples of the enhanced #3 switches and we were running a AF UP 4-8-4 Northern with a long string of our 2 bay open top hoppers as well as a 4-4-0 Franklin with the three wooden passenger cars. Sales were brisk and we seemed to do OK with most of our regulars turning up at one time or another. I think the painted B&O and WM 2-8-0 drew the most attention after the 2003 Christmas car. Other S items were the Lionel AF 2-8-2 painted but not lettered plus some of there other new AF offerings and K-line's latest S gauge Marx cars. Also in the Orange Hall was Bob Board of All Aboard, Tom of Tom's Trains, Joe of Joe;s Train Repair (a tip of the hat to Joe for helping me find a 1946 Cyclopedia), Dallas of Dallee Electronics, Bill Parr, Gary Clark, Terry Bork of Train Depot ( had a ton of old S scale stuff, loco drives, kits, parts, etc. Picked up two original NASG check gages, plus I think the end clamp for the gang mill), Tom of Pennsy Heritage Models, and others I am sure I missed. Someone did comment that the rare AF items do not appear at York. They felt that anyone with something rare would rather place it on e-bay. All in all it was nicer not to have to worry about rain on our product (the purple hall roof leaked), having to walk 1/4 mile outside to find the bathroom, having food inside the building instead of waiting in line outside, and best of all light. The purple hall was kinda dim. Don Joseph Haughney wrote: >Gents, >Was wondering if anyone at York had a chance to put down their thoughts, >impressions and what they saw there. I remember last year got some info >on new items etc seen at the show. Wish I could have been there but best >I can do this year is Springfield, Ma in Feb. > >Regards, >Joe H > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27616	From: David	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: Any words on York

York was pretty good as usual. The drive is getting horrible though, even with the Lancaster bypass being done. Way too many trucks and traffic on two lane roads. The weather was gray and cool, but the halls were warm and stuffy. The crowd was good and most halls were full. There were some bargains, and some idiotic prices, but dealers were willing to negotiate on items that were within reason to begin with. It depended on what you were looking for as to how well you did. Classic HO by some manufacturers like Penn Line was noticeably harder to find. In fact I saw almost no Penn Line at all. Lots of the same common S items. You got tired of seeing table after table with 638's, 630's, 804's, and the AF series of link cars. Accessories were almost non-existant for the most part. The Black, Purple, Green, Gold and Yellow halls were closed and all those who used to be located in them were now in the Orange hall which was massive. The isle layout was not typical as they went side to side instead of front to back. It was full to the walls though. The wife found some HO for her collection, and I found only 3 of the 6 cars I was looking for, but one was broken, one was way too rough, and the third was over priced and damaged, so I passed. I did manage a few Aurora slot cars for that collection. Thats about it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27617	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Canadian hopper

John Whitmore of Kaslo Shops Distributing has announced that the grain-hopper project initiated by S Canada is a go! In a few days Kaslo will be calling for deposits on an S-scale model of the Canadian cylindrical grain hoppwe. Here's hoping it's up to the standard set by Kaslo's PS 1 boxcar. For info e-mail jwhitmore@... S Canada is working its way though a wish list which also includes the original BC Rail bulkhead flat, the Otis gondola and the eight-hatch reefer which ruled the Canadian rails before ythe advent of mechanical refrigeration. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27618	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: Any words on York

10/20/03 Dear Joe: This is my third year in the TCA and my 6th trip to York. In one word: EXCELLENT!!! I know that some folks were complaining about the layout in the new Orange Hall, but I think that things worked out just fine. There is always room for tweaking and improvements, but that is the nature of the game. It can never be completely perfect, but it was darn close in my opinion! I saw the whole gambit of prices and selection, from what I consider ridiculously high for what it was to a really competitive and fair price. Unfortunately for me, I was unable to reach a decision with myself on several items, so I missed out on them. I am always confounded by the prospect of finding something better or neater in the next aisle or in the next hall, so by the time I am ready to fork over the cash it is too late! I hate when that happens, and it happened to me really bad this time around!! I was there from opening on Friday morning until closing Friday evening, but I only walked away with some parts (bought a record for the talking station from Joe) and a couple of other goodies. No conquest purchase this time; consequently, I have a small wad of cash that the spouse does not know about that is burning a hole in my pocket. I did, however, witness a rather jumpy and perhaps surly Lionel representative scold a fellow S gauger as he attempted to carefully examine the display prototype of the soon-to-be released steam engine. It really gave you a real "warm and fuzzy" for the folks at brand L. I also had to chuckle as I watched some O folks mistaking the S gauge Lionel Flyer as Lionel HO, and they were certain that it was HO! Best Regards, Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27619	From: roy inman	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results

---------- > From: castironv8@... > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:15:36 -0400 (EDT) > To: rhoffman@..., S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results > > That is a great question: How do you get the 40 and younger crowd in? The short answer is you probably don't. In this era, too many other things in the way at that stage of one's life. And the problem is not unique to model railroading. The model airplane crowd is concerned at the aging of their population. Similar story, in a way. When I was a kid, I learned how to sand balsa properly, how to balance the finished aircraft and finally how to fly it. My sense is that many kids today do not have this very special advantage. They have TV's in their bedrooms, along with the computer and Nintendo, etc. Dad and mom are not even home, in some cases, until supper time or later, work or travel on weekends-you all know the drill. But the bright note is that part of the reason for the graying of the modeling population, be it trains or planes, is that many people aren't taking up the hobby until work and family responsibilities begin to slack off. Many times, as in Curtis' experience, it is the presence of a child in the family that helps kindle or rekindle the hobby interest. So, I feel that all is not lost. The demographic bulge has just shifted, and may stay that way for the foreseeable future. Not that we shouldn't try to encourage youngsters to participate. At Union Station in Kansas City, there was an indoor rubber band-powered airplanes flying session put on by the local flight club. It was pretty neat to see what a kick the kids got of building those little AMA (Academy of Model Aeronautics) Delta Darts on the spot, then flying them in the old North Waiting Room of the Station. (65' ceiling.) We are planning to start a model train club next year, aimed at kids. Programs will feature slide shows of prototypes, a demonstration of various scales (with a bias towards S of course), instruction in simple scenery techniques, a train watching session; we have Amtrak coming into the Station now, and nearly 300 freights a day pass by on the adjacent north tracks. There is an indoor train spotting area within Science City at Union Station. Cheers to all, and I can't wait for that SHS steamer!!! Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27620	From: Kielek Family	Date: 10/20/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results

Gentleman(Ladies also).......When we do train shows, we need to be sensitive to kids who show more than average interest in our trains. Year after year I run into the same kids and I make an extra effort to talk to the parent(s) and encourage them. The biggest problem is the perception of the "cost" . I explain that your basic set from Walmart might be a great bargain, but that after a couple of months the transfomer or loco will fail and then the real "cost" will be apparent. How many of us have tons of Atlantics and less than perfect rolling stock sitting in boxes or parts drawers? Thru out the year I look for cheap transformers and locos with the idea of putting together starter sets for cheap(or free!) Train shows are the place to give back to the hobby by "looking" for people with these kids who may be unable to afford these trains otherwise.....just my thoughts Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <castironv8@...> To: <rhoffman@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Poll Results > 10/20/03 > > Dear Roy and List: > > That is a great question: How do you get the 40 and younger crowd in? > > I wish that I had a simple answer for you! From what I hear and read on > this list and the Toy Train list the age issue is not unique to S. I think > that it will ultimately hurt S more as we are already a minority and have the > prospect of becoming even more "minor." I shutter at the thought! > > In any event, I believe that a fundamental thing is that the 40 and under > crowd needs to be exposed to the hobby. Okay, nothing new here. I think it's > call the "World's Greatest Hobby" Campaign, right? > > I believe that a good part of the problem, and one that is felt especially so > on the S side, is that a lot of 40 and unders didn't have near the train > exposure as those in the 50 + age group. Trains were on the way out, if not out > already, by the time the 40 and unders were in their childhood "prime," so > there are no toy train fond memories or the excitement to bring back. > > In my case I feel pretty luck. By the time I came into this world Mr. > Gilbert was already dead and his company was well into their downward spiral. I was, > however, fortunate enough to have two much older brothers (8 and 10 years > my senior) who received two American Flyer train sets in the later 50's. These > are the trains I remember as a little kid, even though I had an HO set of my > own (still have it in the basement I think). > > To make a long story very short, the Flyer trains were retired to the attic, > and when the old homestead went up for sale I took the Flyer trains with me > because my brothers didn't want them anymore. I just couldn't stand the idea > of chucking them into the trash, so I took them with me, and they moved with me > from apartment to apartment and from house to house until I "rediscovered" > them with the help of my son who was 2 years old at the time. > > Thank goodness to Thomas the Tank Engine and Grandpa's ridiculous 3 rail > Lionel trains! > > Yep, my father-in-law is a die-hard Lionel fan. Between his ribbing of Flyer > and My son's new found interest, I dug the Flyer stuff out of the basement, > and a few years and a thousand or two dollars later, here I am! I never looked > back. I just had to show my father in law that Flyer was STILL better than > that bogus brand L stuff! > > Today I have a 7 year old who is starting out "right" with a firm foundation > in S. He is joining the Tiger Cubs (Boy Scouts for First Graders), and I plan > to introduce the other kids in his den to S during a planned exercise on > trains and transportation. I think that this is one way to get some younger folks > involved and get their parents involved too. We need to make some memories > for the kids, so we need to take S out to them. The next question is how best > to accomplish this. I am a firm believer that every little bit helps! > > Best Regards, > Curtis Dorwart > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27621	From: Al Galli	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2043

John None of the guys could figure out the Orange hall. However the wife of a friend of mine figured it out immediately. Using her idea I was able to zip through it with no trouble. The key was to divide the hall in half. The front half (near the street has aisles closer together than the back half. Use the center aisle as the dividing point. Go through each of the aisles in the front half then all the aisles in the back half. Really simple although I wouldn't have figured it out either. Most tried to go from the front to the back and since the front aisles and the rear aisles don't match up it gets confusing. The other way is simplicity itself. By the way I learned that the guy who laid out the hall went through 70 floor plans before arriving at the one that was used. People put a lot of effort into it and I think did a great job. Al Galli > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:13:15 -0000 > From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> > Subject: york > > Hi > How did you like this York event? How about the orange hall? > I didn't find too much this time,I got a bunch of bridges in need of > help & I missed a 587 block signal missing its ladder......I hope one > of you folks got it... The orange hall was big, but I didn't figure > out the aisle layouts... seemed hard to get around.. seemed to be > pretty well attended, we had to leave Friday ,,, How did Saturday go, > any good deals > have fun > John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27622	From: knockbill	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: york

I went back in the orange hall before closing, it wasn't as crowded,, & saw it that way also... It was easy to get around then,, I stopped to see Fred for some parts,,, I didn't see Joes booth, however, some boots were already closed. I probably didn't get all the way through it as it was closing time... Can't wait til' April!!!!!! John John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27623	From: Steve Roche	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: York

Enjoyed my second go round at York. Got there at 9 AM and left at 5 PM with sore feet and a decent haul. Found bargains few and far between, however, did well on a few. Found an Electromagnetic Crane in fair condition for $75 and found a real nice 719. Heard a lot of people complain about the traffic flow in the orange hall. I have to agree it was quite confusing. Was able to fill my parts shopping list. Overall a good time, plus I got enough business done to get the company to pay for the trip. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27624	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Poll results - recuiting

Hi Folks: As I read the poll results comments I observed the shift to recuiting. I'm going to put my 2 cents in. It's okay to correct me! Watching a display layout is a great experiance, but does not get recuits.......... rookies. It is just a visual experiance, usually happening around Christmas. It is my belief that hands on experiances are a better way of developing interest. I'm in the process of building a RR yard where my grandchildren can form a train using cars painted the colors of the rainbow.Here are some other ideas. Giving a child an oval of track is great, but soon becomes old. Begining sets need more than just an oval. A hands on accessory would help to wet the appetite of a youngster. Can we get manufacturers to give a discount to school age children, doing it through some school program? ... Can we figure out how to get toy trains included in the "science programs"? ... Can we help schools develop clubs in schools?... Is it possible to give scholarships to students for building model RRs? Just what would it take to get organiziations, such as the Masons, The Knights of Columbus, etc: to give toy trains as prizes? Is there any way we could get "Toys-R-Us" to set up a toy train display in it's stores? I hope this stimulates thought. Please comment. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27625	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Poll results - recuiting

One of our S scalers who's a teacher is trying to start up a club in his school and lamented about the retail cost of new S equipment. Perhaps a bit of jawboning some of the manufacturers can get us a discount on trains used in that way. From time to time some really good ideas are shared for getting kids interested in trains (S of course) and I'm trying to collect them and use them perhaps in a Dispatch article or something. We at the NASG would certainly like to help those who want to start up educational programs in schools, scouting, etc. and I appreciate all the feedback on this list. The kids are our future, no doubt about it as we all collectively age. Roy Hoffman NASG Pres. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WEG138@a... wrote: > Hi Folks: > As I read the poll results comments I observed the shift to recuiting. > I'm going to put my 2 cents in. It's okay to correct me! > Watching a display layout is a great experiance, but does not get > recuits.......... rookies. It is just a visual experiance, usually happening around > Christmas. > It is my belief that hands on experiances are a better way of developing > interest. > I'm in the process of building a RR yard where my grandchildren can form > a train using cars painted the colors of the rainbow.Here are some other > ideas. > Giving a child an oval of track is great, but soon becomes old. Begining > sets need more than just an oval. A hands on accessory would help to wet the > appetite of a youngster. > Can we get manufacturers to give a discount to school age children, > doing it through some school program? ... Can we figure out how to get toy trains > included in the "science programs"? ... Can we help schools develop clubs in > schools?... Is it possible to give scholarships to students for building model > RRs? > Just what would it take to get organiziations, such as the Masons, The > Knights of Columbus, etc: to give toy trains as prizes? > Is there any way we could get "Toys-R-Us" to set up a toy train display > in it's stores? > I hope this stimulates thought. Please comment. > > Bill Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27626	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Any words on York

My wife picked up a piece of Flyonel rolling stock and was promptly scolded. There was a do not handle sign, that we had not seen. The Lionel rep said that earlier a man had knocked the whole shelf down. Unfortunately the Lionel rep then quickly left, and I never got to ask any questions about their S products. I saw the new Mikado (which I have on order). There was no tender, and I was surprised that the engine's wheels had a cheap chrome plastic look to them. Perhaps the final product will look better... castironv8@... wrote: >I did, however, witness a rather jumpy and perhaps surly Lionel >representative scold a fellow S gauger as he attempted to carefully examine the display >prototype of the soon-to-be released steam engine. It really gave you a real >"warm and fuzzy" for the folks at brand L. > >I also had to chuckle as I watched some O folks mistaking the S gauge Lionel >Flyer as Lionel HO, and they were certain that it was HO! > >Best Regards, >Curtis Dorwart > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27627	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Coo-Coo -Coo -Coo >>>Coo- Coo Coo-Cooooooo

- GreetingS - Guess I should have participated in the poll. Some of these surveys are sufficiently difficult to respond to, on a Linux system, that I pass them by. But when I suggest that the Indian Maiden is ..... (Jeanette), you may correctly guess that I am 70 1/2. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27628	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Any words on York

In a message dated 10/21/2003 11:14:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, myflyertrains@... writes: My wife picked up a piece of Flyonel rolling stock and was promptly scolded. There was a do not handle sign, that we had not seen. The Lionel rep said that earlier a man had knocked the whole shelf down. Unfortunately the Lionel rep then quickly left, and I never got to ask any questions about their S products. I saw the new Mikado (which I have on order). There was no tender, and I was surprised that the engine's wheels had a cheap chrome plastic look to them. Perhaps the final product will look better... Both the engine and tender were viewable on Saturday. There isn't a speck of plastic in either piece. BTW, the courteous thing to do is ask first before handling a piece. This has ALWAYS been the case whether at someone's table of trains, as well as at a manufacturer's display. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27629	From: frbpman	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Missing Under 40 Response

Hello folks, the "missing" person is my son age 15. Folks who have been to the last three NASG conventions as well as to York and other shows may know him. He is the sole reason my dormant love of trains, S-Gauge of all types is once again alive. He discovered my boxes of trains and I can't stop him. His interest and ideas far surpass mine at his age. He doesn't stop at AF, Lionel Flyer, or High Rail. He is a budding scaler and fascinated with DCC. He has started his own small business "Boy Oh Boy Industries" (please pardon the plug) and my ears never stop ringing with when are we going to start that layout - soon Son soon. So, give them a chance and the youngsters will still like the gauge. I don't know how long before high school, college and other more pressing things in a young man's life will mean trains have to take a back seat for awhile. However, I feel very comfortable with the thought that my trains will have a good home long after I have to give them up. I must also thank many folks like Don Thompson, Doug Peck, Jerry Rivet, Fred Jester, Fred and Dolores of S Scale Loco & Supply to name only a very few, the "Blacksheep" S Scalers from South Jersey, and way way too many others most especially my fellow members and the BOD of the NASG who have extended their kindness, encouragement and patience to my son (and to me). It is that attitude that has made his interest even greater and it is that type of attitude that will keep the interest alive. Me? I'm in the big group, the ones who hope for more like my son. Take care folks and thanks for letting me put in my two (actually more like five)cents worth. Kenny (also reached at home at <kennypalmer@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27630	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Missing Under 40 Response

Since my grandson (now 3 1/2) was born, I have been taking him into the basement to see my Flyer layout. He started, with assistance, by pushing the red button on the whistle and now handles the transformer very well. He picks up some of my little people and talks with them as he plays around the station. He watches the engines intently and puts his hand into the smoke. For Christmas I'm getting him a Thomas the Tank S gauge train (Putt Trains) that will run on vintage AF track. My own sons (29 and 33) show little interest in the trains, so I'm hoping that my grandson catches the spirit. List him in the survey as "under 5." Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27631	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Spreading the Word

Hi All, As long as we're discussing way to get kids interested in Trains (S, of course), I'll add a thought and my technique. I opened my train room up to the public (have to call and make an appointment) last December for the first time. The price of entry is that the visitor must bring a 'kid'. One gentleman called to make an appointment and said he was over the age of 75 but still wanted to bring his "kid". He asked if it were okay if his "kid" was 48 years old? :-) Of, course, I said yes. I learned a bit about kids and trains last December that I didn't know. There is a lower age limit. No one is now allowed in my train room who is under the age of 3 unless a parent is holding them and doesn't let them down. A little boy, aged 2 1/2 was quickly bored by the whole scene and proceeded to beat on the tops of my 980 series boxcars. Had his Mom not grabbed him faster than I could, his little body would have been imbedded in the West wall of my train room. Anyway, the real point here is that people are calling me already to see if the train room will be open again this December. Their kids are still talking about Miss Barbara's trains and they want to come back. Some parents even brought a camera to take pictures of the kids with the trains. There was a lot of excitement generated. Requiring an appointment helps to keep the number of people to a manageable number. Besides I have to work. So I feel as though I am making a contribution to our hobby even though there is one rule in my train room; Thou shalt not touch anything. When I get more accessories working, there will be buttons for kids to press. Barb PS One Grandma called me this Spring and said she bought 2 sets of trains for her 4 year old, twin grandson's. They were just so excited about the trains they saw at my place. That's a real success.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27632	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: York

Don.... I realize I am taking this out of context to make a funny. Please understand that I am not flaming you! >: Don Thompson <robin@ scrawled: >Someone did comment that the >rare AF items do not appear at York. They felt that >anyone with >something rare would rather place it on e-bay. Rare and unusual items are seen in York every Thursday night at the Gilbert Get-Together. Four Points Sheraton 9pm. Bob Tufts had a consigned made up '47 Northern at one of the bandit meets on Thursday. I had a D1655 Banner on my table. Last spring I saw a '46 NKP tender body (probably an O gauge one)Andy Jugle had a ton of rare paper. All this just to get a free plug for my meeting! Thanks for listening Clay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27633	From: waldootten	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Poll results - recuiting

GREAT IDEAS! >Can we get manufacturers to give a discount to school age children, > doing it through some school program? ... Can we figure out how to get toy trains included in the "science programs"? ... Can we help schools develop clubs in schools?... Is it possible to give scholarships to students for building model RRs? >Just what would it take to get organiziations, such as the Masons, The Knights of Columbus, etc: to give toy trains as prizes? >Is there any way we could get "Toys-R-Us" to set up a toy train display in it's stores? >I hope this stimulates thought. Please comment. > > Bill Greaves

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27634	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Photo

Hi Folks I now have a good choice of photos to choose from Thanks All, and a special thanks to those who sent me photos. Remember you can vote until the last day of May. Please don't vote for My site. http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/ As I am collecting the Votes. Remember also it doesn't matter what site you vote for as long as its S, Business, Individual, Club Narrow Gauge, S AF Hirail Are all eligible. Sent your vote with the website name or address. John Foley NASG Promotions. P.S. The votes are starting to come in.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27635	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: York

I, for one, thoroughly enjoyed York. The parking lots were a mess on Thursday because of the wind, but the Reliance Fire Hall and Holidome were open for inside shopping. I did not get to do much on Thursday except set up, but did have our regular Thursday lunch with Mark Preman. The Thursday evening Gilbert Get Together was the best one yet. The Orange Hall has several really great plusses: great lighting, good temperature control, indoor food and restroom. It also has some minuses: poor loading and unloading access, HARD floors. However, I was able to procure an excellent location (a booth fronting on the center aisle in about the middle of the hall--EE10). The map of vendors in the Orange Hall and listing by company name were a definite plus. I got to see the mockups of the new SHS locos and the lighted Rudolph for the Christmas car (as always, Don and Robin were most gracious), the samples for the new S gauge K-Line cabooses (great paint schemes and details for a $20 car; got to speak with Maury, Nick, and Sherman), and an extensive look at the new Lionel offerings. Todd Wagner of Lionel even let me handle the new loco, the Moe & Joe, and the Baldwin. Although the loud speaker in the Mystic Talking Station worked, the recording did not seem to work. BTW, expect a speed controlled walking brakeman car soon in S. Lionel already has one coming in O gauge. He actually "walks" instead of running. I also was able to meet Doug Peck and his wife in person for the first time, talked with PA Heritage about the insert for the RDC, met Tom Hodgkins and saw his offering, talked with Mel Nielson and John Foley, and got to me and/or see many of you fine folks. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27636	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: York

I sell mostly plasticville buildings and parts at train meets.I don't have a problem with kid picking up some thing to look at it,I just put the real good trains and other items toward the back of the table where they can't reach.I have had some items droped by kids but adults do that to.Why get mad how else are kids going to learn what trains are all about,they are made to touch and play with not to hide in boxes all the time.I have had some real good train wrecks on my Christmas layout with kids running them,gives me something to fix. Bob Persing (BOBBYLINE PARTS)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27637	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Any words on York

Gentlepersons, Thanks for the dumps on York. Will try to make it next time. Regads (Bostonese for Regards), Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27638	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: Spreading the Word

Hi Barb, Good for you and I hope you are doing well! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Spreading the Word > Hi All, > > As long as we're discussing way to get kids interested in > Trains (S, of course), I'll add a thought and my technique. > > I opened my train room up to the public (have to call and > make an appointment) last December for the first time. > The price of entry is that the visitor must bring a 'kid'. > > One gentleman called to make an appointment and > said he was over the age of 75 but still wanted to > bring his "kid". He asked if it were okay if his "kid" was > 48 years old? :-) Of, course, I said yes. > > I learned a bit about kids and trains last December that > I didn't know. There is a lower age limit. No one is now > allowed in my train room who is under the age of 3 unless > a parent is holding them and doesn't let them down. > > A little boy, aged 2 1/2 was quickly bored by the whole > scene and proceeded to beat on the tops of my 980 > series boxcars. Had his Mom not grabbed him faster > than I could, his little body would have been imbedded > in the West wall of my train room. > > Anyway, the real point here is that people are calling me > already to see if the train room will be open again this > December. Their kids are still talking about Miss Barbara's > trains and they want to come back. Some parents even > brought a camera to take pictures of the kids with the > trains. There was a lot of excitement generated. > > Requiring an appointment helps to keep the number of > people to a manageable number. Besides I have to > work. > > So I feel as though I am making a contribution to our > hobby even though there is one rule in my train room; > Thou shalt not touch anything. When I get more > accessories working, there will be buttons for kids > to press. > > Barb > > PS One Grandma called me this Spring and said she > bought 2 sets of trains for her 4 year old, twin grandson's. > They were just so excited about the trains they saw at > my place. That's a real success. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27639	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: York and A Terrible situation

To all my friends out there on the "s" list.....I went to York and had a great time with my wife............. But I am very sad to report that when we reached Charleston, WV she suffered A seisure of some kind and passed away...She was 51...She was not only my wife, but my best buddy and friend for 16 years 3 months 15 days that we were married.....AND WE NEVER HAD 1 FUSS OR FIGHT......we always told each other that we loved each other every night....we did everything together..we were together almost 24 / 7 / 365....being apart only when one of us was in a hospital.....Its really hard to describe the pain I am in....It was a relationship put toghther by GOD.. I just got in from a 650 mile lonely drive and I have to start making arrangements to get her moved back home..... Please keep me in your prayers.....I am already crying again....this home won't be the same an more....... Bob Conner RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27640	From: jaytewilli	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: York and A Terrible situation

Bob, You have my condolences. Just the thought of losing my wife, my partner, brings such pain to my heart that I can't even imagine the pain you must be going through. You are in my prayers and remember that God doesn't dish out any more than you can handle. Peace be with you........... -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > To all my friends out there on the "s" list.....I went to York and had a > great time with my wife............. > > But I am very sad to report that when we reached Charleston, WV she suffered > A seisure of some kind and passed away...She was 51...She was not only my > wife, but my best buddy and friend for 16 years 3 months 15 days that we > were married.....AND WE NEVER HAD 1 FUSS OR FIGHT......we always told each > other that we loved each other every night....we did everything together..we > were together almost 24 / 7 / 365....being apart only when one of us was in > a hospital.....Its really hard to describe the pain I am in....It was a > relationship put toghther by GOD.. > > I just got in from a 650 mile lonely drive and I have to start making > arrangements to get her moved back home..... > > Please keep me in your prayers.....I am already crying again....this home > won't be the same an more....... > > Bob Conner RCON7

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27641	From: firex43	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: York

Made it to York for Friday only, as posts state, the Orange Hall was laid out it in a somewhat strange fashion, maybe next time I'll figure it out. If anyone knows a lady who had a table in the Red Hall that had a 21140 locomotive for sale, if it was still available as of Saturday and you have her name/info, please contact me off-list as I neglected to get a card or other info from her. Thanks in advance, John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27642	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 10/21/2003
Subject: Re: York and A Terrible situation

Dear Bob, Our thoughts and prayers are with you. May God give you the strength and faith to cope with the tragedy of your loss. Obie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27643	From: Kielek Family	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: York

Hey John! I hope you get it soon, I am planning to be at the York spring show and that's what is # 1 on my wish list! ;^) Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "firex43" <JKFirex43@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] York > Made it to York for Friday only, as posts state, the Orange Hall was > laid out it in a somewhat strange fashion, maybe next time I'll > figure it out. If anyone knows a lady who had a table in the Red Hall > that had a 21140 locomotive for sale, if it was still available as of > Saturday and you have her name/info, please contact me off-list as I > neglected to get a card or other info from her. Thanks in advance, > John Keating > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27644	From: Kielek Family	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: Spreading the Word

Right On Barb!!! Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Rudnicki" <rcespeak@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Spreading the Word > Hi All, > > As long as we're discussing way to get kids interested in > Trains (S, of course), I'll add a thought and my technique. > > I opened my train room up to the public (have to call and > make an appointment) last December for the first time. > The price of entry is that the visitor must bring a 'kid'. > > One gentleman called to make an appointment and > said he was over the age of 75 but still wanted to > bring his "kid". He asked if it were okay if his "kid" was > 48 years old? :-) Of, course, I said yes. > > I learned a bit about kids and trains last December that > I didn't know. There is a lower age limit. No one is now > allowed in my train room who is under the age of 3 unless > a parent is holding them and doesn't let them down. > > A little boy, aged 2 1/2 was quickly bored by the whole > scene and proceeded to beat on the tops of my 980 > series boxcars. Had his Mom not grabbed him faster > than I could, his little body would have been imbedded > in the West wall of my train room. > > Anyway, the real point here is that people are calling me > already to see if the train room will be open again this > December. Their kids are still talking about Miss Barbara's > trains and they want to come back. Some parents even > brought a camera to take pictures of the kids with the > trains. There was a lot of excitement generated. > > Requiring an appointment helps to keep the number of > people to a manageable number. Besides I have to > work. > > So I feel as though I am making a contribution to our > hobby even though there is one rule in my train room; > Thou shalt not touch anything. When I get more > accessories working, there will be buttons for kids > to press. > > Barb > > PS One Grandma called me this Spring and said she > bought 2 sets of trains for her 4 year old, twin grandson's. > They were just so excited about the trains they saw at > my place. That's a real success. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27645	From: amerflyr@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Subject: Re: FW: Poll Results

Add another one to the 40 years old or under responses. I was not able to vote on the poll, but coming in at 31 I certainly do what I can to recruit new entrants into the hobby. Thanks, Chuck Sullivan Frederick, MD **************************************************** Subject: Re: FW: Poll Results Two out of three 40 years old or under responses! I think that there is still 1 out there yet? I'll bet that there are more, but they did not respond to the poll. Best Regards, Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27646	From: JOE KIMBER	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: AF 312 Pacific

Does anyone have a basket case 312 for sale? I plan to convert it to DC and repaint in PRR colors.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27647	From: JOE KIMBER	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Young S Gauge Fans

I also have been taking my grandson and grandaughter to the the basement to see the trains since both were very young. I have a small S Gauge layout (4-1/2' X 17') with vintage American Flyer and new AM & SHS Equipment. The children especially like the operating accessories (cattle loader, barrel loader, sawmill, etc.) My grandson is 4 and my grandaughter 2 years old. I must admit though, some of the new equipment is rather expensive for young families. Locomotives in excess of $500 are priced at many people's weekly take home pay. The lowest priced steam locomotive is the AM pacific at $299. If S gauge had some sets priced in the $150-$200 range similar to "O" gauge we might have more people buying trains. I know tooling is very expensive but how about the old AF tooling for the 302? Does it still exist? Joe Kimber

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27648	From: knockbill	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: York and A Terrible situation

Bob, I'm very sorry to hear of your loss, my thoughts & prayers are with you. Regards, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27649	From: wintermutedm	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: Young S Gauge Fans

This is exactly got me into the hobby! When I was young (mid 1970s) I got to play with my uncle's Flyer layout. I really loved it, so he sent me my own Flyer set (just a cheap Casey Jones set, but it was mine!). I lost interest when I was in high school and college, but when I had kids I thought it would be fun to play trains with them, so broke out that cheap set from my uncle and got addicted. Since then I have greatly expanded from that little old Casey Jones, but it was still that simple cheap little set that got me started. I think to get a younger crowd in, especially little kids, you simply need to let them and their parents play with stuff, and tell them of the possibilities. Granted, a lot of the new S gauge items are out the budget for most people with little kids (kids are expensive!) but a lot of old flyer stuff isn't. If we don't have cheap brand new starter sets, explain to your kids and grandkids and their friends that they can set up an old flyer set for less than 150 bucks. Add another 100 or so, and you have a cattle yard with hours of play value. Once they get into the hobby and learn to love it, they can start saving up for that $500 new loco. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JOE KIMBER" <jkimber@h...> wrote: > I also have been taking my grandson and grandaughter to the the basement to > see the trains since both were very young. I have a small S Gauge layout > (4-1/2' X 17') with vintage American Flyer and new AM & SHS Equipment. The > children especially like the operating accessories (cattle loader, barrel > loader, sawmill, etc.) My grandson is 4 and my grandaughter 2 years old. > I must admit though, some of the new equipment is rather expensive for young > families. Locomotives in excess of $500 are priced at many people's weekly > take home pay. The lowest priced steam locomotive is the AM pacific at > $299. If S gauge had some sets priced in the $150-$200 range similar to "O" > gauge we might have more people buying trains. I know tooling is very > expensive but how about the old AF tooling for the 302? Does it still > exist? > > Joe Kimber

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27650	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: York and A Terrible situation

Paul....My address is 11644 Saint Josephs Road Jacksonville, Florida 32223 we have made arrangements this morning to have her moved from the hospital in Charleston, WV to a Funeral home there...they are going to make arrangements to have her moved by air to home...I found a double crypt this morning for the two of us, to be together in time....Today my step daughter is really helping me with support and the church is too....It was so hard coming into this empty home last night, but I am going to continue to finish the remodeling as we had planned....Guys and Gals.....yes I need to share this burden....I hurt so much.....But I guess PRISSY came to meet her....remember July... She got a headache and dizzy Sunday morning.....and fell down....I helped her up and soon she felt better.....At my cousins home about 1 1/2 hours later she started to fall...I caught her and set her in a chair.....rather than call 911 I had the man in the next yard come over and we put her in the car....5 minutes later we were at the ER....as I got her out of the car she looked at me and said "Bob where am I?" I said you are at the hospital and the doctors are going to fix you up.....That's the last we ever said....In about 10 or 15 minutes they called code 123....same as blue.....I think she was gone at that point....At least it was quick.....They kept her on life support until Tuesday when she went to Surgery to have Organs removed....As least several people will have A gift of life now..... But at least one burden is gone now....I always worried what would happen to her if I went first.....now its a mute point...as I feel I am kinda the end of the line.........parents are gone.....kids have lives and can take care of themselves....My plans are to maybe travel more....I did tell Debbie that this was probably our last long trip....At 65 I didn't want to be far from home and something happen to me....Now.oh well..... I will try to add more to this later....by tomorrow we should have everything settled......In our 16 years of marriage we were always there for each other to support.....Even thru all the tears....I can't let her down now....Keep praying for me to have the strength to bear up thru this..... Bob RCON7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York and A Terrible situation > Bob, > Is there anything we can do? > > Some of the folks have asked for your address, if it's > ok I would like to post it. > Is it 11644 Saint Josephs Rd? > > Also when is the service? > > And is there a 'in lieu of flowers' charity or > organization that you would like to mention? > > I think you know that many of the list members are > praying for you and your wife. > > > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27651	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: cleaning carbon deposits

My dad has an 18B transformer and from many years of use there is a significant buildup of carbon on the internal surface. What is the best way to clean this out, what spray etc, or just use a brush of some kind? THanks in advance. Tom _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ========================================================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27652	From: rkuepper	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: O gauge Royal Blue

I have an O Gauge Royal Blue engine that was professionally restored and is beautiful. Does anyone have a book range of values? I have TM and Greenburg books, but only for AF 1946->. Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27653	From: rayklesc	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Web site new feature

Just wanted to let everyone know that my web site now has a Weblog (Blog) and Gallery area where registered users can create, maintain and edit there own weblog (Blog), keep an on-line Journal or write articles that may be of interest to all model railroaders. This online Publishing system is easy to use and ideal for anyone wanting to write and share his or her thoughts, ideas, and layout progress or club news. This is a full-featured publishing system accessible to all model railroaders. Come in and check it out at <http://modelrailroadhobby.com/Publish>. The latest update of the site has many new products for O, HO and N and a new poll. Ray Klesc <http://modelrailroadhobby.com>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27654	From: Robert Wight	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Tie Car

I just purchased a Tie Car. Does anyone use it on there layout? If you do what do you use to actuate the Jector mechanism? Different thoughts and ideas? Thanks yours in model railroading Bob W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27655	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/22/2003
Subject: Re: Poll results - recuiting

<<<<Subject: Re: Poll results - recuiting GREAT IDEAS! >Can we figure out how to get toy trains included in the "science programs"? >>> I spent most of my career teaching Earth Science to 8th graders, but for 4-5 years, I did teach one class per day of Physics to (mostly) seniors. Each year, I set up a small oval of AF track and ran a short train on it, as we dealt with topics like speed, velocity, acceleration.....and even inertia (sit a small GI Joe figure on a flatcar, with---and then without--- a "seatbelt" (AKA, rubber band)....and then start or stop the train suddenly!) Can't recall...I probably tiesd it into other topics such as torque as well. Anyway, what fascinated them the MOST????? "How's it make all that smoke????" Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> E-mail: doug@... <mailto:doug@...> VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27656	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Re: Tie Car

The Tie Car Trip? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Wight" <blueearthbob@h...> wrote: > I just purchased a Tie Car. Does anyone use it on there layout? If > you do what do you use to actuate the Jector mechanism? Different > thoughts and ideas? > Thanks > yours in model railroading > Bob W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27657	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: cleaning carbon deposits

- GreetingS - Tom asked a great question regarding transformers which leads to a second question. First was, what to do about buildup of carbon on the internal surfaces of an 18B (fine transformer)? My suggestion is to vacuum the dust away using a small nozzle and a great deal of care. If that is not suffi- cient, wipe away as much as you can with dust-free cloth, cotton swabs, and things similar. I would keep most liquids away from the enamel insulation on the transformer windings. Second is, where did the dust come from? Answer is that most if not all came from the roller contact at the end of the voltage (speed) con- trol arm. [These are used in the larger transformers.] Inspect the roller, which is made of carbon, closely. Working from memory (unsafe), it should be no less than about 1/4", maybe 7/32", in diameter. If it is less, definitely replace it before the phosphor-bronze arm, bent down at the end, reaches the winding and begins to cut into the winding. My 30B suffered grooves cut in the winding at the hands of its previous owner. Happily they are not so deep that local hot spots develop. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27658	From: editor	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: 1/64th Scale Photo Contest - Time is running Out!

This year we are proud to announce that the 2nd annual S Scale calendar will be a joint effort between the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.ModelingGuide.com/ and www.Sn3.org. This calendar will be as good or better than 2003's calendar and for those that got one last year you know that is a high mark to shoot for. There will be 12 photos chosen for the calendar by means of a photo contest. The 12 winners of the contest will get a free copy of the calendar and one of the 12 will be selected by a panel of judges as the "Best Photo". The "Best Photo" winner will receive a special prize in addition to a copy of the calendar. We are accepting photos starting NOW! Digital photos must be at the very least 1600 x 1200 pixels (prefer larger) and can be sent to Pat Turner. Prints will also be accepted, email for info on sending in prints that are 5 x 7 or larger. We will accept photos until October 30th at Midnight. Late photos will NOT be accepted. Photos must be of train models in 1:64 scale. True scale models only. They can be S standard gauge, Sn3, Sn3 1/2 or Sn2. Photos should be of complete scenes with full scenery and no odd items showing such as lights or benchwork. We will be looking forward to your pictures. Visit the "Events!" link at www.ModelingGuide.com for more detail & feel free to pass the word along about this to others that may not know. Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27659	From: Roger Walton	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: tie ejector

There is both a standard and Pikemaster track trip available for the tie ejector car. I believe both of them are manually operated. I think our friendly parts dealers have reproduction track trips that will do the job. Roger Walton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27660	From: waldootten	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Railsounds switcheroo

I have several Flyonel B units with Railsounds. No Railsounds B unit was ever made for the LTI Silver Flash set. Does anyone know if I could take a Railsounds B unit and switch the shells with a Silver Flash B unit without creating any permanent damage? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27661	From: Ted walton	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Not receiving daily digest

Since I changed my email address in "MY Groups" at Yahoo, I have nor received any S-Trains digests. Change was made on 10/22/03 and last digest was [S-Trains] Digest Number 2044, dated Oct, 21,03. and last message was from Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> and Subject: was: "Any words on York" . I seem to be getting my other digests. Ted Walton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27662	From: lou342ac	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Re: cleaning carbon deposits

Rhett, After you dust or brush the carbon off, you can complete the cleaning by gently wiping the windings off with a soft lint free cloth lightly soaked with 91% Isopropyl Rubbing Alcohol. Alcohol will not attacked the varnishes/enamels and is a great cleaner and does not leave any residue behind. In fact it is a common practice to clean electronic boards with alcohol to remove dirt and grime in dirty industrial enviroments. In 37 years doing maintenance I have never seen alcohol do any damage to electrical/electronic components. Best of all its very inexpensive. I use alcohol to clean my track, in my opinion it does a better job then the commercial products that are available. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rtg@e... wrote: > - GreetingS - > > Tom asked a great question regarding transformers which leads to a > second question. > > First was, what to do about buildup of carbon on the internal surfaces > of an 18B (fine transformer)? My suggestion is to vacuum the dust away > using a small nozzle and a great deal of care. If that is not suffi- > cient, wipe away as much as you can with dust-free cloth, cotton swabs, > and things similar. I would keep most liquids away from the enamel > insulation on the transformer windings. > > Second is, where did the dust come from? Answer is that most if not > all came from the roller contact at the end of the voltage (speed) con- > trol arm. [These are used in the larger transformers.] Inspect the > roller, which is made of carbon, closely. Working from memory (unsafe), > it should be no less than about 1/4", maybe 7/32", in diameter. If > it is less, definitely replace it before the phosphor-bronze arm, bent > down at the end, reaches the winding and begins to cut into the winding. > My 30B suffered grooves cut in the winding at the hands of its previous > owner. Happily they are not so deep that local hot spots develop. > > CheerS, > Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27663	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: York & a Terrible Situation

Bob, My wife and I celebrated our 40th Wedding Anniversary this past August, and I can sure relate to how you must be feeling now. When you have been married for any length of time, it is tough being with out her. I am sure your children have many of her great characteristics, and will remind you of her quite often in things they say or do. She has left her mark on the family and that will never change. You may not see her, but she is still with you. Our thoughts and prayers are with you during these very tough times. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27664	From: chasesmithus	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Photos added

I have added two photos of the hirail Chemung Valley Lines to the album titled CVL. (thanks to Mike Shea's photography)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27665	From: trainspeak	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Additional postwar boxed Flyer items available

Hi all! I just picked up some more postwar boxed Flyer items (listing below) from the original owner. If you have interest in any of these items, please let me know your email and I will let you know once I have priced the collection and have added pictures. To provide your email, please go here: http://nick.jeraldo.com:8080/db.asp Thanks! Greg http://NicksTrains.com ___________________________________________________________________ Maker Item# Condition Boxed American Flyer 12B Like New Yes American Flyer 374/375 Like New Yes American Flyer 583 Excellent Yes selected 592A Excellent Yes American Flyer 606 Like New No American Flyer 715C Excellent No American Flyer 741 Like New Yes American Flyer 720A Like New Yes American Flyer 758 Excellent Yes American Flyer 754 Excellent No American Flyer 754 Excellent No American Flyer 762 Very Good Yes American Flyer 760 Like New Yes American Flyer 768 Very Good Yes American Flyer 767 Good Yes American Flyer 771 Excellent Yes American Flyer 772 Like New Yes American Flyer 773 Excellent Yes American Flyer 773A Excellent Yes American Flyer 783 Like New Yes American Flyer 934 Like New Yes American Flyer 947 Like New Yes American Flyer 21088 Like New Yes American Flyer 23780 Like New Yes American Flyer 24558 Like New Yes American Flyer 24720 Like New Yes American Flyer 24730 Like New Yes American Flyer 24740 Like New Yes American Flyer 2 Excellent Yes American Flyer 31 Very Good Yes American Flyer 35 Good No American Flyer 282 Like New Yes American Flyer 581 Excellent Yes American Flyer 585 Like New Yes American Flyer 730 Like New No American Flyer 904 Like New Yes American Flyer 925 Like New Yes American Flyer 924 Excellent No American Flyer 929 Like New Yes American Flyer 94533 Like New Yes American Flyer 26760 Like New Yes American Flyer 26782 Like New Yes American Flyer 638 Like New Yes American Flyer 639 Excellent Yes American Flyer 640A Excellent Yes American Flyer 706 Like New Yes American Flyer 26748 Like New Yes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27666	From: Uncle Thor	Date: 10/23/2003
Subject: Track Plans plus some holiday plans

There are a few S gauge track plans on my site, and they range from compact mini plans to larger ones. Also, the Holiday track plans and resources have been moved up (The Special Winter Holiday Section) Just go to my site and scroll down to the S gauge section http://www.thortrains.net For those doing holiday villages, note that most of the Lemax structures tend to range around 1/64 in size. Of course, the Lemax people are way too large, being a whopping 1/32 to 1/30. Dept 56 tends to ru na bit larger, usually in the 1/48 range. This is not to say that either D56 or Lemax is precisely scale, just that it'cs close to a scale. Happy Railroading! Thor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27667	From: jayhoo64	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Kaslo Shops Budd cars

In an effort to forestall a tide of posts on the subject from flooding over here, be advised of a thread on the S Scale list pertaining to Kaslo Shop's scale length Budd passenger cars and their possible comptibility with tighter-than-scale curves. Many posts on the subject have appeared there over the last few days. Might interest some of y'all. Go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27668	From: butchclimax	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: 312

Would anyone have a 312 chassis only for sale- Looks like a # XA 10506. SIB Have a nice engine but the motor mount part of the casting was broken during shipment. Does this "repair" simply require replacemt of screw-on components? I realize quartering the wheels would probably be the most difficult part, right? I'm debating repair vs sending back for insurance coverage- Anyone help? Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27669	From: Gregg	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Not receiving daily digest

I haven't received them all week. Gregg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27670	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: Young S Gauge Fans

I'd like to thank all those who have been posting their ideas for "recruiting" youngsters. They are our future in so many ways. I would like to put your ideas in a column in the December NASG Dispatch with all due credit of course. If anyone doesn't want me to insert their particular remarks on this subject, please let me know so I can omit it. I think there were many concrete ideas in the areas of education and scouting programs. And as a new grandfather I enjoyed hearing the stories of Grandparents, kids and American Flyer, etc. And again, thanks to all and if anyone has any ideas, don't hesitate to post them. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27671	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: York

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Clay Buckage ... Rare and unusual items are seen in York every Thursday night at the Gilbert Get- Together. Four Points Sheraton, 9pm. I agree 100% with Clay, the Thursday night Gilbert Get-Together has turned into, at least for me, one of the highlights of York. There's always something unusal to see. Last spring there was a Rocket B Unit. This past time there were several items including the original Gilbert drawings for many cars and locomotives. Anyone that's interested in Gilbert and/or AF should plan to attend these get- togethers. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27672	From: Kielek Family	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: 312

Hey Butch! Before you throw the "baby" out with the bath water, try using some steel epoxy made by Devcon(I believe). I have had great success using this type of epoxy on steel parts in the past. You can file it, machine it and whatever. Hope this helps Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "butchclimax" <sager@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 312 > Would anyone have a 312 chassis only for sale- > > Looks like a # XA 10506. SIB > > Have a nice engine but the motor mount part of the casting was broken > during shipment. > Does this "repair" simply require replacemt of screw-on components? > I realize quartering the wheels would probably be the most difficult > part, right? > > I'm debating repair vs sending back for insurance coverage- > Anyone help? > Butch > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27673	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: York

Walt brings up an interesting idea---does anyone have original (or copies of original) Gilbert drawings showing the dimensions of the Diesel power truck? Especially the dimensions between the axle holes and the armature bearings. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27674	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: 312

Butch, Any SIB three axle chassis will fix your problem. Try to find one without worn axle holes! Quartering isn't a major, unsolvable problem, but it does take patience and care. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27675	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Website Owners Only

S-Scale & S-Gauge web site owners.... I created some email encoded voting icons. Check out.. http://paulyorke.com/Website_Contest.html These are not set up to vote for my site, they are for site owners to reconfigure and make it easy for your visitors to vote for your site. If you need help setting this up on your site, please read the instructions, and let me know if you need some help. We could set up a 'chat session' if you are interested. I put one on S-Scale.org. That one is setup for people that want to vote for that site, I plan on adding one to S-Trains.com asap. These things use encoded email address so John's email address is not harvested by the spammers. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27676	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Pennsy S Models X29 Update

Hi All, It has been a long time since I have posted an update on the Pennsy S Models S Scale brass X29 project. www.pennsysmodel.com I received a new pilot model from my builder today. I am happy to say that it is VERY GOOD! I hate to give delivery dates because we have missed every one of them. However, I can honestly see us finally going into production with the REA version this year. I have never said that before. The freight versions will follow next year. I will take some photos and post when we have the website updated. We would like to thank all of our customers for their continued patience. Thank You Bill Lane and Dan Mastrobuono Pennsy S Models

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27677	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Help needed

Could someone on the list give me any info on Tom Hodgson of American Hi-Rail. Someone is interested in his conversion shells. Thanks, Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27678	From: butchclimax	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: 312

Hey all, Thanks for the several quite different answers to my problem of what to do with a broken chassis.( and heart actually) To follow up though, does anyone have a 312 chassis (bare is all I need) for sale?? (Hope I get some answers on this one so I can see this engine work!) Thanks, Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27679	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: CTT

Hi Folks There is a Great article about Lee McCarty's S Gauge layout in Novembers Classic Toy Trains written by Roger Carp and photos by Jim Forbes. Great job fellas, it was very enjoyable. Lee's layout is well done. , someday I'll see it in person. Lee is also the president of the Cuyahoga Valley S Gaugers at, http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/id4.html Congratulations to all involved. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27680	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 26, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27681	From: robbyking13	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Re: Kaslo Shops Budd cars

I do not know if an add was put into the S gaugian, but I also thought that everyone should be informed about the Budd cars so that they would have the option to purchase because the deadline for ordering is Nov. 15th. Fifty (50) sets of each roadname must be confirmed with a 25% deposit for that set to be produced. Proposed sets include: Canadian Pacific, NYC, ATSF, and Calif. Zepher (D&RGW, CB&Q, and WP). Some of you were probably interested in, or placed an order with AM, for the CZ sets that were not produced. The Kalso Shops Budd cars will also be full length scale cars. Budd cars require 36 inch minimum radius to run with body mounted couplers. These cars come in kits and will have to be painted and lettered.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27682	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/24/2003
Subject: Carmer Cut levers

Hi All, I am contracting to get S Scale Carmer Cut levers made in brass for the X29 and for my personal modeling. There are a few different styles. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Carmer_Cut_Lever.jpg Here is one on an X29. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/X29_Carmer_Cut_Lever.jpg I am going to be offering these for a one time only sale. They are going to be a little on the expensive side, at about $10.00 per car. However, that will include all the lever pieces and brackets etc. needed to mount it. I need to know if you are interested in buying some ASAP so I can place the order. If there is enough interest, I may be able to order enough to get a drop in the price. I could also continue on and get other styles made as well. The Carmer cut levers were used on many different cars right up to the diesel era. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27683	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: S- Friendly update

Hi Folks, As part of our NASG S Friendly Hobby Shop program, I've begun the long process of plugging in links to the hobby shop's own websites to the on-line guide. I finished Pennsylvania so far and there's a long way to go. You can observe the progress by going to: http://www.s-scaletrains.com/sfriendly If you click on Pennsylvania on the map it will list the dealers in PA that we know of that stock our favorite scale/guage and their web site addresses. As usual, any inputs and/or corrections will be appreciated. If you request your state, I'll work on it next. Roy Let's get S in ALL the hobby shops

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27684	From: amerflyr@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Part for Track Gang Accessory Needed...

Greetings, Does anyone know where I can obtain the peg-leg figure holding the sign that swings in and out on the Track Gang accessory? I've got a nice one in a figure set, but would prefer not to modify it. Originals preferred, but if anyone knows where I can get a decent repro, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chuck Sullivan Frederick, Maryland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27685	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Blatant Ad

If the Amtrak doesn't wind up in a creek somewhere in Kansas, I plan to help "man" the NASG booth at the S-Fest over the Halloween weekend in St. Louis. With me, I'll have some snapshots of Best of Show's latest modeling project, an S-scale replica of the Stone St. train depot which still stands 1:1 in La Grange, ILL. The depot model was scratch-built from elevations provided by a client from the Minneapolis area. While the snapshots are just that: snapshots, the model is a real gem. Please stop by the NASG booth, and ask to see the pictures. This would also be a good opportunity to join NASG. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27686	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: S- Friendly update

Thanks to all who have contacted me with updates. While updating Texas, I noticed that http://www.ironhorsehobbies.com was going out of business at the end of the year and have 30% off on the "whole store". You might want to get in on some S bargains by contacting them. Also, have the S gaugers in MD heard of Main Line Hobbies in Blue Ridge Summit, PA just over the border from Ft. Richie, MD? They have several pieces of SHS and AM highrail and would be willing to stock more S if sales warranted it. Overall, it's a terrific hobby shop and fun to visit. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27687	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Free GIFS

Hi Folks As i was building my train website I found some neat sites for GIFS and other website items some for free. If you have a website or are thinking of doing one check them out. http://www.banksofthesusquehanna.com/ http://www.banksofthesusquehanna.com/MMSS.html http://www.banksofthesusquehanna.com/MMnyc.html - NYC Fans http://www.railroadtrainingservices.com/rtsshops/links.html http://www.geocities.com/lsisrail/ http://www.bellsnwhistles.com/page38.html http://www.nimoweb.de/ - in German John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27688	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: Dave Dewey

Sorry for using the list this way, but...... DAVE DEWEY----my emails to you are bouncing, even though I'm simply replying to yours! Anyway, need to know if your Myers Street address is still valid for shipping????? Or have you made a permanent move already?????? (NOTE; PORT LINES WILL BE CLOSED FROM OCTOBER 25th THROUGH NOVEMBER 10th. We WILL be set up at S-FEST, Oct. 31-Nov. 1. ) Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27689	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: Part for Track Gang Accessory Needed...

Chuck----those figures should be available in a couple of months, if not sooner. (NOTE; PORT LINES WILL BE CLOSED FROM OCTOBER 25th THROUGH NOVEMBER 10th. We WILL be set up at S-FEST, Oct. 31-Nov. 1. ) Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. <<<<< Does anyone know where I can obtain the peg-leg figure holding the sign that swings in and out on the Track Gang accessory? I've got a nice one in a figure set, but would prefer not to modify it. Originals preferred, but if anyone knows where I can get a decent repro, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,>>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27690	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: son

I have a coupla questions on behalf of my son. - re: the AM sectional track that comes with their sets; some people buy the set without having a need for the track. Please reply off-list if you have interest in selling track. btw; I see short sectional track, but not the 3' sections on the AM website. Are the longer sections no longer available? - Has anybody thought of making a cast resin "Genesis" Amtrak shell, ideally one that could be installed on an existing chassis? -- Ted Larson http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html?tid=edmunds.a.landing.buying..4.*

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27691	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Lionel NYC PA Set

Thinking of that NYC 2-8-2 Lionel has coming out, it short the cars. I'm guessing the B&O set uses the same cars as the NYC PA set, just painted for B&O. Thus, if I get the NYC set to get the cars, how's the quality of it? I remember people saying something about "if the paint chips off the couplers it shorts out" etc... Not sure if that was all of Lionel's PA sets or... ??? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27692	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: I think I would sell it too....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3150992792&category=480 Ouch, what some people will pay! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27693	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: Ertl Route 66 Vehicles

Yes, checking Toys R Us and the variety stores is a good way to find these. You can also find them from on-line dealers by using your web browser. If you prefer, there are many small local die-cast toy dealers. My local dealer is Gary at 585-223-8450 or 315-986-7764. He always has a variety of recent and vintage S scale vehicles. This week I saw at least 5 Hot Wheels Cadillacs, a Tootsietoy Winnebago, many Racing Champions cars, a Winross, etc........... You might also tell the list what you're looking for to see if someone has a spare. If you are willing to repaint the cars, look for them in Nascar paint. smithhilary1947 wrote: > On the Route 66 Ertl cars/trucks, It looks like the only way you can get these "toys" is to schlep out > to K-Mart and check out what's there. Is that right? > > Seems like these vehicles show up on eBay from time to time -- is > there some dealer who stocks older vehicle releases like #78031 1949 > Mercury Sedan or #78037 1940 Ford Pickup? > -- Ted Larson http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html?tid=edmunds.a.landing.buying..4.*

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27694	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel NYC PA Set

Mike, I've got a NYC set and I've been reasonably happy with it. I'm primarily an operator and can't wait for the B unit and the new baggage car. I also have the NYC engine on order and will look to mate it with the NYC passenger cars occasionally. However, I don't think that I will get a second NYC of passenger cars since I saw a set of NYC on EBAY and I believe if memory serves me that it was over a $1,000. So it might be cheaper to get the complete B&O set and leave sleeping dogs lie. If you won the lottery "or" you can get someone to part with an NYC set for the original price and he has a spare for the same price let me know and I'll see if I can raise the cash. Otherwise good luck on your NYC acquisition. I would also like for Lionel to build a Sante Fe B unit to match the 97 set along with additional cars but that's another matter. Joe H

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27695	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/25/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: Ertl Route 66 Vehicles

The Route 66 vehicles are supposed to be a K-mart exclusive. Unfortunately I have been unable to find the tow truck at Kmarts near me! This is a common problem out here in N. Calif--we seldom get the pre '60s vehicles for some reason. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27696	From: AF336	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: Re: Railsounds switcheroo

Someone has been thinking just like you...check out the link... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3151986461&category=480 ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Railsounds switcheroo > I have several Flyonel B units with Railsounds. No Railsounds B unit > was ever made for the LTI Silver Flash set. Does anyone know if I > could take a Railsounds B unit and switch the shells with a Silver > Flash B unit without creating any permanent damage? > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27697	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: Re: Railsounds switcheroo

What about buying a railsounds unit from LTI? Unless it would cost more than a used LTI "B" unit. Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27698	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: S-Fest

Does have anyone have the details of the St. Louis S - Fest? Time, location, etc. Do you have to be a member of a special group? Thanks. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27699	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: S scale

For Airplane lovers http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/catalogmfg.asp?Mfg=NE&Type=&RChar=&Scale=64 modern police cars http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/catalogmfg.asp?Mfg=SC&Type=&RChar=&Scale=64 -- Ted Larson http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html?tid=edmunds.a.landing.buying..4.*

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27700	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: Re: Details on next weekends S-Fest in St. Louis

John et all, As requested, just one more message regarding the S-Fest next Friday thru Sunday in St. Louis. Mark your calendars for the 28th Annual S-Fest to be held in St. Louis October31-November 2nd! Here is our American Flyer "S" Gaugers of the St. Louis Area club website for detailed information: http://www.trainweb.org/afsgsla/ SEE BELOW FOR A SUMMARY THE 28TH ANNUAL FALL S FEST October 31-November 2, 2003 at the HOLIDAY INN - ST. LOUIS Westport ...where you'll find, as our meeting theme says, "IT´S JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT...A Family Affair!" The 28th Annual Fall S Fest, proudly hosted by the American Flyer S Gaugers of the St. Louis Area (AFSGSLA) and co-sponsored by the CASG , BSG, and SLSG, will feature: ...one of the worlds largest gatherings of S Gauge enthusiasts, manufacturers, and suppliers. ...spacious "trading pit" and swap meet area -- with all tables in one room. ...clinics, model contest, silent auction, train races, and incline challenge. ...special pre-registration raffle; plus hotel sweepstakes during S Fest. ...annual banquet and post banquet live auction. ..."open house" tours of area American Flyer and other S Gauge layouts. ...spouse activities, including a craft workshop, luncheon trip to historic Kimmswick, MO and shopping! ...fun for the kids -- Halloween costume party and pizza party! ...plenty to intrest both hi rail and scale operators. ...same beautiful, conveniently located hotel (Holiday Inn - St. Louis Westport) which hosted the 1999 Fall S Fest, with excellent facilities and value priced rooms at only $75/night (For reservations made prior to Oct. 18, 2003). ...and for the S Gauger who's also interested in the real train, all the railroad attractions of one of the nation´s busiest rail centers, including Metro-Link (our recently expanded light rail system); century old Union Station; and the world-famous Museum of Transportation. Meet us in St. Louis...for an S Fest you and your family will long remember! Jack Riely (636) 561-4670 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27701	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: Re: S-Fest Response to John's question

John, I just sent out a broadcast message to you and the others in the group regarding our S-Fest details. In answer to your question............YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BELONG TO ANY GROUP TO ATTEND THE S-FEST.........IT IS OPEN TO ALL S-GUAGERS. Jack Riely (636) 561-4670 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27702	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/26/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 26, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27703	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Re: ANOTHER PA S FRIENDLY

Hi Roy, Henning Scale Models 128 S. Line Street Lansdale, PA 19446 215.362.2442 Harry Henning always has some American Flyer engines, cars and track. Next door is Lin's Junction with all the scale scenery for your S layout. Message: 2 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:31:54 -0000 From: "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@...> Subject: Re: S- Friendly update Thanks to all who have contacted me with updates. While updating Texas, I noticed that http://www.ironhorsehobbies.com was going out of business at the end of the year and have 30% off on the "whole store". You might want to get in on some S bargains by contacting them. Also, have the S gaugers in MD heard of Main Line Hobbies in Blue Ridge Summit, PA just over the border from Ft. Richie, MD? They have several pieces of SHS and AM highrail and would be willing to stock more S if sales warranted it. Overall, it's a terrific hobby shop and fun to visit. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27704	From: roy inman	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S scale

To the list: If you haven't checked out these sites that Ted recommended, please take a look. Some dandy items! Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Ted Larson <mhrreast@...> > Organization: Minnesota Heartland Railroad > Reply-To: mhrreast@... > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:47:43 -0500 > To: S Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] S scale > > For Airplane lovers > http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/catalogmfg.asp?Mfg=NE&Type=&RChar=&Sc > ale=64 > > modern police cars > http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/catalogmfg.asp?Mfg=SC&Type=&RChar=&Sc > ale=64 > > > > -- > Ted Larson > http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html?tid=edmunds.a > .landing.buying..4.* > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27705	From: roy inman	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S scale

PS: My favorite is the 1:64 scale batmobile!!! Roy Inman ---------- > From: Ted Larson <mhrreast@...> > Organization: Minnesota Heartland Railroad > Reply-To: mhrreast@... > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:47:43 -0500 > To: S Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] S scale > > For Airplane lovers > http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/catalogmfg.asp?Mfg=NE&Type=&RChar=&Sc > ale=64 > > modern police cars > http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/catalogmfg.asp?Mfg=SC&Type=&RChar=&Sc > ale=64 > > > > -- > Ted Larson > http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html?tid=edmunds.a > .landing.buying..4.* > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27706	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: AmericanFlyerTrains.com - Announcement

The "contract" job I was working at Kennedy Space Center has ended so AmericanFlyerTrains.com is now open for business 10am to 10pm 7 days a week. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27707	From: robert allen conner	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: UPDATE ON MY WIFE

I want to thank all of you for all of your support over the past week about my Wife's Passing. Today the Graveside service will be at 2:00 PM. I also want to thank BARB.....she drove 7 hours to come up from Naples to Jacksonville, to Represent the whole group, It was such a pleasant surprise....we spent several hours last night just talking....she made me feel so very good....This act of gesture on her part for the "S" group is appreciated beyond belief..... As I get my head back I will answer every note of compassion that was sent to me...... Thanks Again Guys and Gals for all your support........... Bob Conner.....RCON7........chief-pile-it

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27708	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Re: ANOTHER PA S FRIENDLY

Hi Glenn and rest, I added the hobby shop below. Someone suggested that I include the phone numbers to the listings. It makes more work, but I think that it will be worth it. I added them to PA and now all I have is 49 more states plus Canada (whew!). Stay tuned and thanks for all the leads I've been getting. We all will benefit from such info. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Ritter <gartrain@n...> wrote: > Hi Roy, > > Henning Scale Models > 128 S. Line Street > Lansdale, PA 19446 > 215.362.2442 > Harry Henning always has some American Flyer > engines, cars and track. Next door is Lin's Junction > with all the scale scenery for your S layout. > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:31:54 -0000 > From: "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@i...> > Subject: Re: S- Friendly update > > Thanks to all who have contacted me with updates. > > While updating Texas, I noticed that http://www.ironhorsehobbies.com > was going out of business at the end of the year and have 30% off on > the "whole store". You might want to get in on some S bargains by > contacting them. > > Also, have the S gaugers in MD heard of Main Line Hobbies in Blue > Ridge Summit, PA just over the border from Ft. Richie, MD? > They have several pieces of SHS and AM highrail and would be willing > to stock more S if sales warranted it. > > Overall, it's a terrific hobby shop and fun to visit. > > Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27709	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Canadian grain hopper

Modellers who have committed to purchase of Kaslo's new Canadiane cylindrical grain hopper in S scale heve now been invoiced for the 25% down payment, which covers construction of the master model. As soon as Kaslo is ready to start churning out copies the balance due will be invoiced. S Canada members who have kept the faith thus far should be delighted. Others may direct orders and inquiries to John Whitmore at Kaslo Shops Distributing 2516 Quartz PLace Coquitlam BC V3E 3K9 phone (604) 945 6516 fax (413) 383 6720 e-mail info@... Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27710	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Carolinas Division, ACSG

The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers has almost completed a very busy second half of 2003 by taking its second consecutive first place ribbon and prize at this past weekend's Great American Train Show (GATS) in Winston-Salem, NC. They ran a 26 by 30 foot layout complete with T-modules and 6 track center passing yard, Calvin Azarowicz's block system with 4 continuously running trains, over 50 operating buttons, Rhett George's track-power-supplied constant voltage camera car, and the Tidewater Division's Thomas the Tank Engine Junior Engineer's cab with train bell, whistle, operating station, and transformer control of a Thomas the Tank Engine train set. Since the beginning of July, the Carolinas Division has or will participate in the following shows: July 26-27: GATS, Concord (Charlotte), NC August 9-10: GATS, Columbia, SC September 27: Roanoke (VA) Model Railroad Train Show October 4-5 and 11-12: Running with Thomas at the North Carolina Transportation Museum, Spencer, NC October 11: Black Mountain (NC) Community Days October 25-26: GATS, Winston-Salem, NC November 15-16: Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show, State Fairgrounds, Raleigh, NC That's right. We participated in 2 shows on the same day (October 11th), using one set of corners and some straight modules in Kings Mountain and the other set of corners, the T and yard modules, and several straight modules at Spencer. In all, it is estimated that our Division will expose more than 10,000 people in our area to S gauge in the last 6 months. S gauge is truly alive and well in the Carolinas!! Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27711	From: AF336	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: 25052 Caboose

Hi all I need some advise to help my objectivity. I bought a 25052 bay window action caboose from a guy via e-mail that was rated as excellent. I got the thing in the mail and found extensive touchup to the silver on the top. The wheel contacts had been soldered to the rivits on the trucks with large blobs of solder. The frame needs to be removed and installed correctly as one of the tabs on the corner is underneath the correct location on the coach and causes the chassis to be in a twist. This results in the trucks not sitting on the track uniformly. I am having a tough time seeing this as an "excellent" condition 24052. I was thinking I would ask the guy to return the money and I would pay for shipping to return it. What do you think? What is it worth anyway? I doesn't look bad in a picture or from 4 feet away, and I could fix the problems. I just feel a little cheated. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27712	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Re: S-Fest Response to John's question

In response to your questions about the S-Fest this weekend: The Saturday outing to Kimmswick, MO will leave the Hotel at 9:30AM Saturday morning, November 1st. and will be returning to the Hotel about 3:30PM. Included will be a lunch at the famous Blue Owl restaurant which features an outstanding bakery! This trip will only be available on Saturday. In addition, the traditional Banquet will be on Saturday night and a Pizza party will be held at the same time for the kids. There is a Holloween Costume Party for the kids followed by a craft activity for the ladies on Friday night only. In conclusion, you will not miss out on too much coming in late Friday night. Hope to see everyone. This S-Fest will (in the words of the late Ed Sullivan) be REALLY BIG! Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27713	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose

Mark, based on your description the caboose is clearly not "excellent." I think you are well within your rights to ask for a refund. The rest depends on the price paid, and whether you like the caboose or not. If you like it, and you paid a full "excellent" price, then maybe you could point out the problems and ask the seller for a partial refund. Or if you like it and the price was fair for the condition, then I'd just keep it and remember to shop more carefully next time. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "AF336" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 25052 Caboose > Hi all I need some advise to help my objectivity. > > I bought a 25052 bay window action caboose from a guy via e-mail that was > rated as excellent. > > I got the thing in the mail and found extensive touchup to the silver on the > top. > > The wheel contacts had been soldered to the rivits on the trucks with large > blobs of solder. > > The frame needs to be removed and installed correctly as one of the tabs on > the corner is underneath the correct location on the coach and causes the > chassis to be in a twist. This results in the trucks not sitting on the > track uniformly. > > I am having a tough time seeing this as an "excellent" condition 24052. > > I was thinking I would ask the guy to return the money and I would pay for > shipping to return it. > > What do you think? > > What is it worth anyway? > > I doesn't look bad in a picture or from 4 feet away, and I could fix the > problems. I just feel a little cheated. > > Mark > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27714	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: The Sonar Sub Hunt Web Page

http://www.angelfire.com/games4/sonarsubhunt/ Although this is not train related, I remember this game very well in 1961, as the times were a changing! Line stolen from Bob Dylan. LOL! Historical Perspective and the TV commercial are great. He is like what is Bob Tuffs is to AF, as he is to this game, with his knowledge, as he has rebuild these sets, as the plastic was cheap and brittle and the batteries leaked acid, badly. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27715	From: AF336	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose

To answer the questions. I paid 160.00 for it. The guy sells a lot of af stuff, but is not a dealer. He sells some on ebay and has good feedback. (one negative out of 170 or so) It looked good in the pictures and with his feedback on ebay and description I guess I didn't ask enough questions. This was not an ebay transaction, but I found him through ebay. I e-mailed him because he was about 3 hours drive away and that is close for anyone who handles a lot of flyer stuff in my area. I had hoped to get to know him and in the process found out he had this caboose. I guess I should have driven down to look at it.... I will e-mail him now and express my dissatisfaction and see what happens. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27716	From: MARVD6848@aol.com	Date: 10/27/2003
Subject: WANTED

ANY ONE OUT THERE WITH A TRAIN PEICE OR A DEPOT OR A POWERED UNIT THAT IS REALLY IN BAD SHAPE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO UNLOAD WELL I AM LOOKING FOR PEICES THAT NEED A LOT OF WORK LET ME KNOW I MIGHT BUY IT THE WORK IN REPAIRING THESE IS THE ENJOYMENT THAT I GET I AM RETIRED AND DISA&on sswith hands that need to keep busey thanks for the time with out the s site i would not be able to find thes parts in idaho we are verry happy if we get at least one show a year marv d. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27717	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: 769

Hi all, I picked up an 769 aircraft beacon from ebay and it only has one wire protruding from the base. Is it possible to open it up and add the missing wire? I am afraid that it is glued since the black tube with the wire inside turns freely. Innotron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27718	From: Thomas Davis	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: AM loco for sale, scale or hi-rail

I have for sale an AM Baldwin Switcher, S1219, B&O for sale. Loco is set up for DC, hi-rail operation with AF compatible couplers. Included will be a set of scale wheel sets and one pair of AM SnapLock coupler for conversion to scale running. Loco is in excellent condition except for two breaks on the front hand rails, these have been repaired with super glue. I am asking $110.00, this will include shipping and insurance. Thanks, Tom Davis, Brevard,NC _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27719	From: Mark Preman	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: Hartman Estate Sale - More

There is more to come down the road but I found a couple quick things yesterday. New in the box-first come first served-prices plus shipping. LIST PRICE SHS 00304-5 TOFC GN with GN trailer $60 $45 SHS 00324-3 TRH GN trailer $16 $10 SHS 00176 PRR flatcar w/roadgrader $50 $35 SHS 00317-5 SFC PRR #2 flatcar $35 $20 AM Southern Crescent Passenger Set #46502AC Limited Edition $695 $495 ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27720	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: Re: 769

I repaired one- it took some courage to disassemble the top. As I recall I twisted or bent the tabs holding the top on to the platform. Then the tube is loose. Depending on where the wire break is you can see it. Hopefully it's not up in the plastic around the socket. Mine was. I was able to get the socket out of it's plastic base by drilling from the bottom. I soldered a new wire to it, and reset the socket into the plastic with epoxy. It has worked ever since- maybe a year or row, and it looks original. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 769 > Hi all, > I picked up an 769 aircraft beacon from ebay and it only has one wire > protruding from the base. Is it possible to open it up and add the > missing wire? I am afraid that it is glued since the black tube with the > wire inside turns freely. > Innotron > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27721	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: EAGLE BOXED SET ON EBAY

Did anybody see the boxed Eagle set that brought $7000.00 on ebay here is the item number 3150992792.It went off so I don't know if it can be brought up or not.Seems a little high in price but 51 bids were left. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27722	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: DECALS?

A couple of years ago materials were mentioned for making decals from a PC Computer. Are those materials still available and are any of you using them? What are they called? Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27723	From: J Carnes	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: Re: DECALS?

Try: http://www.mcgpaper.com/ Glenn Ritter wrote: >A couple of years ago materials were mentioned >for making decals from a PC Computer. Are >those materials still available and are any of >you using them? What are they called? > >Glenn > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27724	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: Re: EAGLE BOXED SET ON EBAY

A set from the 1958 era, and most likely may not be seen again on the market for some time, as the price was right for the buyer. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] EAGLE BOXED SET ON EBAY > Did anybody see the boxed Eagle set that brought $7000.00 on ebay > here is the item number 3150992792.It went off so I don't know if it > can be brought up or not.Seems a little high in price but 51 bids > were left. Bob > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27725	From: John G	Date: 10/28/2003
Subject: Re: DECALS?

I just made some decals this weekend for the first time. I had some Walthers clear decal paper which I purchased a couple years ago. I had trouble printing from my ink jet printer (Canon 800). The decal paper was not porous enough for the ink to set. It just sat on top of the decal paper and never did dry even over night. My solution was to print out my design on paper, and then take that to a copy center (i.e., Kinko's) and have them use a copy machine to transfer the design from paper to the decal. Worked perfectly. Has anyone had success in printing from an ink jet printer directly to decal paper? John Gasal --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, J Carnes <jtctrain@b...> wrote: > Try: > http://www.mcgpaper.com/ > > > Glenn Ritter wrote: > > >A couple of years ago materials were mentioned > >for making decals from a PC Computer. Are > >those materials still available and are any of > >you using them? What are they called? > > > >Glenn > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@Y... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27726	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: Eagle Boxed Set on eBay

I saw the set on eBay. You can look at it by entering "Flyer Eagle" in a search window. Then click on the COMPLETED ITEMS box. You can find any completed eBay item for roughly the last 30 days using this technique.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27727	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: Re: 25052 Caboose

Mark, No matter what you paid for this piece, the seller sold it to you as a grade of Excellent and it is not. TCA grading of E is minute nicks or scratches. No dents or rust. Your caboose has touch up paint on it and a set of bad trucks. I would rate this piece as fair to good. I think you have the right to have the owner take it back or reduce the cost to you some more, as he mis-represented the product to you, if he didn't tell you about the flaws. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "AF336" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 25052 Caboose > To answer the questions. > > I paid 160.00 for it. > The guy sells a lot of af stuff, but is not a dealer. > He sells some on ebay and has good feedback. (one negative out of 170 or so) > It looked good in the pictures and with his feedback on ebay and description > I guess I didn't ask enough questions. > > This was not an ebay transaction, but I found him through ebay. > > I e-mailed him because he was about 3 hours drive away and that is close for > anyone who handles a lot of flyer stuff in my area. > > I had hoped to get to know him and in the process found out he had this > caboose. I guess I should have driven down to look at it.... > > I will e-mail him now and express my dissatisfaction and see what happens. > > > Mark > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27728	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: 2003 Fall Layout Photos...

I have added a few photos of my little 2003 Fall layout to my album. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun38 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27729	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: Help with AC 300 and 21160 Atlantics

I bought a 300 Atlantic for $20 with out a tender. I am converting a Marx tender and am using a AF Pike master tender frame. The coupler was broken off so I decided to cut out the trucks to give it a better look. I am looking for pictures to add hand railing to the tender and a new rear latter. I was able to snip the Marx Coupler and attach to the rear of the tender and it will now couple with AF couplers. It is coming together and would like additional ideas about adding more detail like new steps. The same about adding a coal door at the front of the tender. Someone must have done this before. Marx made a long and short haul tender. The ones I am using have the non moving one wheel truck attached to the tender. You can find them a train meets any where for $5. I promise to write and article and add pictures. I was testing it and the engine will not run. I am using DC. Perhaps the reverse unit is the problem. All I want to know is where to attach the 2 writes to the motor to see if the motor is burned out. By the way I want to test a 21160. It has the double pole slide switch and the wires are missing. Either engine will be for a 3 year old to operate. He is very detailed and can put the cars on the track and open the couplers. It will go around the Christmas tree on a plywood with Pike master track. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27730	From: Kielek Family	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: Re: EAGLE BOXED SET ON EBAY

Hi Gang......any idea where I could get a set box for this set? I already have the cars and engine boxes just need the set box and am curious how much one in decent condition would sell for. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] EAGLE BOXED SET ON EBAY > Did anybody see the boxed Eagle set that brought $7000.00 on ebay > here is the item number 3150992792.It went off so I don't know if it > can be brought up or not.Seems a little high in price but 51 bids > were left. Bob > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27731	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2003
Subject: Re: York

10/29/03 It sounds like the Gilbert Get Together really brings out some neat stuff. Going to it is one of my goals; however, the day and the time slot does not work too well for me right now. I hope that it is still going strong a few years from now when home commitments will allow me to extend my biannual day trip to York by an extra day or two. About how many folks attend? Best Regards, Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27732	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Re: Help with AC 300 and 21160 Atlantics

You have stumbled on one of my favorite conversions. See the link http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/projects/482.htm for a picture of my "bashed" 4-8-2 with a long haul tender made by splicing 2 Marx bodies. This particular one has 6 wheel trucks made by splicing parts from 4 AF sheet metal trucks. Coupler is a Marx modified a bit to couple better and talgo mounted. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Help with AC 300 and 21160 Atlantics > I bought a 300 Atlantic for $20 with out a tender. I > am converting a Marx tender and am using a AF Pike > master tender frame. The coupler was broken off so I > decided to cut out the trucks to give it a better > look. I am looking for pictures to add hand railing > to the tender and a new rear latter. I was able to > snip the Marx Coupler and attach to the rear of the > tender and it will now couple with AF couplers. > (snip) > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27733	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.

Does anyone know who the "Gilbert Guru" really is? Where is he really from. On some of his Ebay listings he says location "Winchester, VA" and on others it's "Chester, PA"?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27734	From: jackotrains	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Lionel AF #48929-Silver Palace

Looking at the American Flyer on ebay, someone has the Lionel American Flyer #48929 Silver Palace Vista Dome with a bid of $137.00. What makes this car command such a bid. I purchased mine last year for $60.00.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27735	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.

The "Gilbert Guru" is a long time Flyer kinda guy. Knows his stuff. Sells many parts. Is in fact, in Chester PA. His web guy might be somewhere else. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27736	From: mlmarmer	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.

When Jim said this "Gilbert Guru" was in Chester, PA and sold parts, I know who he is, as I have bought things from him at York. He is Fred Jester and has been in TCA since 1976, as I have his card in front of me. But to me, the real "Gilbert Guru for knowledge is Bob Tuffs and Harwood Owing lll. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: <WJJIM@...> To: <rodgers_carl@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up. > The "Gilbert Guru" is a long time Flyer kinda guy. Knows his stuff. Sells > many parts. > Is in fact, in Chester PA. His web guy might be somewhere else. > Jim Lyle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27737	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: more Fall layout photos...

I've added a few more Fall Layout photos,...showing more of the train this time... (well, the current train running anyway...it's always subject to change!!) A quick, and ALMOST painless way to view my photos is to use the 'slideshow'. I can't find my little bag of pumpkins that I fill a gondola with,....it's here somewhere!! http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun38 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27738	From: John A Foley	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Fwd:

> >Greetings all, > > I am pleased to announce that we have had enough interest in the S >Scale Cylindrical Hopper project to make it a reality. That's the good >news. The bad news is that it is now time to ask each of you for your >downpayment. I will be mailing out invoices to you in the next couple of >days requesting 25% of your total order. > > Once I have received everyone's downpayments we can commence with this >project. We have an initial commencement date of November 15 so you have a >little bit of time to get your deposits to me. > > >Denis Fortier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27739	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: KB

For those of you that missed them at WalMart, I saw JADA vehicles at KBee Toys. The '57 Chev panel truck is very close to true S scale (the package calls it a Suburban - incorrect - a Suburban has side rear windows and rear passenger seats). The '53 Chev is very nice but a bit undersize. KB also had Corgi mid-50's fire trucks that are very close to S scale. -- Ted Larson http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html?tid=edmunds.a.landing.buying..4.*

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27740	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: 732 BAGGAGE CAR

Hi Guys, which acc. does the 732 baggage car go with. I picked up 2 today & say what looked like a loading platform that might go with it. I of course did not want to spend the extra $50 for ea. platform before knowing for sure, Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27741	From: David	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.

Fred is NOT the Gilbert Guru. The guy making a ton of his parts is the Gilbert Guru. Its a long story......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27742	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 10/30/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.

OK, I'll bite. Then what is the story, long or short. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <Dave0616@c...> wrote: > Fred is NOT the Gilbert Guru. The guy making a ton of his parts is > the Gilbert Guru. Its a long story......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27743	From: David	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.

I've been good and very close friends with Fred Jester now for over 30 years. I bought my first Flyer S piece from him, a 312AC for $35 when he was partners with the late George Collins of Trainer, PA. I will not divulge his (Fred's) business with other people. If you really need to know, you can contact Fred and ask him. If he wants you to know, he'll tell the story. Its not my business to do so. Fred will be at a local show this Sunday in the Wilmington, DE area. The Guru's name is Leonard, that I can say as its public knowledge already. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rodgers_carl" <rodgers_carl@h...> wrote: > OK, I'll bite. Then what is the story, long or short. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <Dave0616@c...> wrote: > > Fred is NOT the Gilbert Guru. The guy making a ton of his parts is > > the Gilbert Guru. Its a long story......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27744	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Eagle boxed set.

Finding a set box for a MP passenger set is going to be a tough task. I have only seen one for sell in the past 25 years. You will probably have to pay over a $1,000.00 for one. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27745	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Shameless ad, New structures

Hi Gang, We at Pine Canyon Scale Models.com have just released our new HO scale Fully Built Waxworks structure. This structure can be used for many things. Also, we will be producing a replica of Squawbottom station from the famous G&D, sometime in the first part of next year. We also have a couple freelance stations and a great mine complex in the works. The S-scale world will get a great new Motor Lodge kit. Please visit our website at www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com We have a free scenery seminar and the history of Floquil paint for those looking for the original formula. Happy Railroading, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27746	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: New S-scale Kits again

I forgot to mention that our scenery seminar is an S-scale diorama using our rescent Gas Station and Cafe kits. We have a very few of these kits left. They will not be available again for at least 6 months. We just purchased a new computer and have to transfer all the graphics and instructions before we can produce more kits. And our calender is full with our new HO scale projects. We promis to push the new Motor Lodge kit through though. Please visit www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com Happy Railroading, Keith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27747	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Re: Will the real Gilbert Guru please stand up.

My question was about the "Gilbert Guru", I didn't ask about this Fred Jester, who "you" claim is not the "Gilbert Guru", I have no interest in him. The Guru is not Leonard Salins, by his own words, not mine. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <Dave0616@c...> wrote: > I've been good and very close friends with Fred Jester now for over > 30 years. I bought my first Flyer S piece from him, a 312AC for $35 > when he was partners with the late George Collins of Trainer, PA. I > will not divulge his (Fred's) business with other people. If you > really need to know, you can contact Fred and ask him. If he wants > you to know, he'll tell the story. Its not my business to do so. Fred > will be at a local show this Sunday in the Wilmington, DE area. The > Guru's name is Leonard, that I can say as its public knowledge > already. > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rodgers_carl" <rodgers_carl@h...> > wrote: > > OK, I'll bite. Then what is the story, long or short. > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <Dave0616@c...> wrote: > > > Fred is NOT the Gilbert Guru. The guy making a ton of his parts > is > > > the Gilbert Guru. Its a long story......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27748	From: knockbill	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: 732

Mike I think that car is used with the 770 loading platform.....The loading platform uses square based boxes & square based milk cans... So I guess the platform could also be used with the milk car... (however I don't have a milk car to try) Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27749	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Train Show

Hi Everyone, There is a train show this weekend in Dayton Ohio put on by Division 3 Of the NMRA. It is at Hara arena just north of Dayton. If anyone is attending the show, stop by and say hello. My wife and I will have a S-Gauge Christmas layout up and running. Hope to see you there. Chris Burger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27750	From: Robert Wight	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Horse drawn wagon

Check out my new Horse Drawn Wagon in 1/64 scale i just finished. My new layout is going to be frontier. Im almost done with the horse drawn buggys and a stage coach for town. http://s-scale.org/albums/album24/wagon1_001

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27751	From: Robert Wight	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Cat stuck in tree

http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album24/catintree I just added this one were my cat is stuck in the tree.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27752	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: The CTT's big give-a-way!!!!

Classic Toy Trains magazine is again having their big Sweepstakes!! Hurry-Hurry-Hurry to enter,....you don't want to miss a chance to win "O" gauge goodies!!! I'll enter,..and if I win,...guess what will show up on eBay!!!! Rick "World Peace & S--that's all I want" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27753	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Photos From Our 'S' Friends....

If you haven't been checking in at Paul's site he set up for 'S' layout photos,...you should! http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album07 Contact Paul if you would like to start an album there. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27754	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/31/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 2, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27755	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 11/1/2003
Subject: S-Fest St. Louis

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 27756	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/2/2003
Subject: A few new photos

I posted some new pix of my hi-rail layout progress. It was too nice a weekend to do a lot. Hope you enjoy. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album50?&page=5 Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27757	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/2/2003
Subject: Atlanta show

Just got back from the Greenburg Show in Atlanta. Had more AF this time than when I was there several years ago. Nice to see an operating S gauge layout. Bought a very nice 596 water tank with box and button. Also a 740 handcar and some parts I needed. It's 3 hours from Knoxville, TN but a lovely drive with the kids and over 80 degrees, clear skies and the freeways were moving at 80 mph plus. Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27758	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/2/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 2, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27759	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/2/2003
Subject: Little Christmas goodies from Michaels.

While checking out the 1/2 off Halloween goodies, and the Christmas goodies at Michaels,...I found some little Christmas goodies for 99 cents!! That's right,..99 cents. Little trees, Polar Bears, a skating Polar Bear,...several snowmen. Check the link if interested. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun47 Rick "Time to start thinkin' about the Christmas layout" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27760	From: littletownkid1952	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: Test (Please Delete)

Just checking if this gets posted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27761	From: trainman634	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: Front coupler for AM steam engine

Could a knuckle coupler be mounted on the front of a american flyer plastic steam engine? If so, how would I do it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27762	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: Re: Front coupler for AM steam engine

I mounted an AM snaplock coupler mounted directly, without the draft gear box, to the underside of the front deck on my AM steamer, which is the non-streamlined one. I used an existing hole in the front deck. It's only for looks so it's screwed down and doesn't need centering. Height is good. I think you could also modify a Kadee #5 or #802 to fit without draft the gear box. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <carl4260@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Front coupler for AM steam engine > Could a knuckle coupler be mounted on the front of a american flyer > plastic steam engine? If so, how would I do it? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27763	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: AF Compatible #8 Switches

Dear Obie: Well, never say never. A good idea never dies, it just goes dormant for a while. Don and I have an excellent relationship both on and off the s-lists. My idea has merit. I honestly feel our heritage of American Flyer track with its too-tight curves and unforgiving switches are the biggest problem S has. If sectional #8 switches and gentle curves were available, and they are truly sectional like genuine American Flyer track is, I think a lot of operators would purchase a lot of switches and a few circles and start widening their mainlines. I expect we will start seeing some large locomotives and full length passenger cars if they can get around the curves. Don would like to make my fantasy come true in his SHS line: which is a truly sectional track. (42 inch radius curves are in the works.) For the switches, however, I needed (and got) a quick lesson in economics. My offer of $1000.00 cash is 1% of the money needed to make the first production switch. If I can sweeten my offer to 10% he will take the plunge. His offer to send me $11,000 worth of switches when they are available was to indicate that "If you put up the money, you don't have to get in line with everyone else to pay for them again. SHS will give them to you." The big mistake here was my choice of the word "silly". I got several e-mails indicating my effort was not silly. The e-mail containing it was to indicate closure on the issue. Then again, if others were to join me, we can have our switches... Isn't this how SHS got started? I offer to chair this! We have $1000.00! Do I hear $2000.00? Thorin -----Original Message----- From: bellokdaka@... [mailto:bellokdaka@...] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:46 PM To: thorin.marty@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Compatible #8 Switches Hello Thorin, I have been sitting on this for some time to see if any one would comment on the list, since they haven't let me share this privately. Don made an offer for you to supply $11,000 to start your project, if you did he would supply the balance ($99,000 according to Don) and when the switches were produced he would send you a shipment of switches worth your $11,000. Well if he is that quick in making that offer, your idea must have merit, or he is merely blowing smoke so we all realise his status. What I am trying to say is this, your offer wasn't silly, but the response that you got sure was. Obie -----Original Message----- From: Marty.Thorin Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 2:59 PM To: 'Don Thompson'; S-Trains (E-mail) Subject: [S-Trains] AF Compatible #8 Switches Don wrote that the cost of the drawings would be $10,000. The cost of the tooling is $100,000. Don also wrote he would start work if I supplied $11,000. My $1,000 offer looks pretty silly. No, I didn't win the lottery on Saturday. Unless my financials change drastically, you will not hear of this from me again. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27764	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: custom track work

Thorin: you should look into getting some custom track work done. For $1,000 or less, you should be able to get what you want. There must be people out there who can do it -- it's not that hard. Perhaps you ought to contact Ross or some of the other O gauge tinplate track manufacturers. Perhaps it is better to use a custom builder than to try to have the stuff manufactured. or perhaps a custom builder ought to be working with the S manufacturers like Don T. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27765	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: O gauge forumite Praises the merits of SHS

Here is a nice thread on the OGR forum that just started at. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=90170078 Check it out Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27766	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: Fiddle Yards

Recently I looked at some of the photographs of Frank Titman's layout.He uses a "barge" to remove and add cars and these build the consists and the operations for the evening. I saw a article on a simular method. The siding disappeared into a building anlong a wall. In it was an elevator with different cars on each level. I once worked for a company that had indoor docks. My comment was that this was a lot of extra space to put a roof over. I was assured that the added efficiencies and safety more than made up for the construction costs. Since this is prototypical, I am giving that a lot of thought. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27767	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 11/3/2003
Subject: what is the game in the game train?

I was at our TCA meet last weekend. Having two below ten year old boys, they roped me into running and monitoring the Kid's Club Lionel layout again. It's OK, and the Lionel Phantom Train they had running was cool (When will someone produce something like that for us?), but it just isn't interesting enough to involve kids for more than 5 minutes. Since our club has no operating S-gauge layout, I was wondering if I could build a small modular layout. Is the game train game fun? I don't want a huge setup as we drive the three hours each way and spend the night in our VW camper. That would rule out a switching layout. Any ideas? Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27768	From: jackotrains	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Lionel AF Boom & Crane Car

I just picked up these two cars and I have to say that Lionel did a great job on them. The crane car even has the jack stand and the boxes that the crane car came in is thicker and has a cover. Also got the "Moe & Joe" but thats a Christmas present along with the Disney Boxcar.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27769	From: scalebusho	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Looking for figures

Hello I am looking for S scale figures in plastic of policemen and robbers. Thanks, JG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27770	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel AF Boom & Crane Car

In a message dated 11/4/2003 7:13:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, joppdp@... writes: I just picked up these two cars and I have to say that Lionel did a great job on them. The crane car even has the jack stand and the boxes that the crane car came in is thicker and has a cover Did you also notice the new die cast crank wheels with triangular open sections? In terms of fabrication, decoration, and finish the new AF AT&SF Brownhoist is greatly improved over what Gilbert had an opportunity to do. Combined with the new boom car and the AT&SF Baldwin, we have the makings of a nifty work train. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27771	From: roy inman	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Little Christmas goodies from Michaels.

Good reminder, Rick. Just wondering if others besides myself have built some version of that Mark Edwards foam layout that was in the December 2002 CTT? I found it easy to put together. I was able to get a few pieces of discard foam free from a construction site. The job boss let me have some damaged pieces, which repaired easily. I used the S-Helper track with roadbed. Very impressed by it. Manual switches instead of remote. And congratulations to the St. Louis group for a fine S-Fest, even if the main room was a little snug. Lots of great stuff in that small space. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> > Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:43:38 -0800 > To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Little Christmas goodies from Michaels. > > While checking out the 1/2 off Halloween goodies, and the Christmas > goodies at Michaels,...I found some little Christmas goodies for 99 cents!! > That's right,..99 cents. Little trees, Polar Bears, a skating Polar > Bear,...several snowmen. Check the link if interested. > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun47 > > Rick "Time to start thinkin' about the Christmas layout" Evans. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27772	From: David Engle	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures

Contact: www.scalefigures dot com. e-mail to allen@scalefigures dot com. Owner is Allen Pollock, Jefferson City, MO, who also happens to be in Sn3, and also holds one of the "highest" offices in the land--NMRA president. -----Original Message----- From: scalebusho [mailto:jgardea@...] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:17 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for figures Hello I am looking for S scale figures in plastic of policemen and robbers. Thanks, JG S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27773	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: York Product Announcements?

Has anyone heard any new product announcements from York? Someone mentioned on the O Gauge Railroading Forum that Lionel was going to do a repro track gang set. Anybody heard this? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27774	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: York Product Announcements?

In a message dated 11/4/2003 11:10:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, sgriggs@... writes: Someone mentioned on the O Gauge Railroading Forum that Lionel was going to do a repro track gang set. Anybody heard this? Lionel is doing a new track gang for 0 gauge based on their new FastTrack track system. This is not an S item. The figures are stand in the right of way, not off to side as done with the 1941 Gilbert version. The Lionel accessory is pictured in their newest catalog. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27775	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures

This will get ya there! www.scalefigures.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27776	From: David Engle	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures

Good point--I broke it up because some transmitters like to block full addresses in text--or is that still a problem? DE -----Original Message----- From: Rick Evans [mailto:bassflyer@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:42 AM To: STrains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for figures This will get ya there! www.scalefigures.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27777	From: waldootten	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Lionel AF Mikado in St. Louie

Thoughts from S-Fest in St. Louis.... We got to see the rough castings at Oconomowoc, then at St. Louis S- Fest Lionel's Todd Wagner had a fully-assembled and painted model in their display. It is very impressive and a far cry from the re- issues we've been getting from the various Flyonel owners since the late 1970s. They had the Mike on static display, sitting below a new Lionel loco that was running very slowly AND very smoothly on roller bearings -- with great smoke and the sounds were top notch. If I understand correctly, the same features will be available in the AF Mikado. What it is: I'm not a scaler, but I think the intricate and delicate details on this locomotive should make 99% of scalers happy. What it isn't: A locomotive that you'd buy for a very young child. I have ordered one (plus one of Don Thompson's SHS Consolidation engines) and can't wait to get them on my soon-to-be-finished layout. There was a fully assembled and painted SHS steamer hiding inside a plexiglass case at St. Louis, too, and that one is equally impressive. Also should appeal to scalers as well as us Hi-Railers. The new Lionel Baldwins were there, too, and look super. I am getting one of each. And the shovel-nose diesels from River Raisin are worth a look. Right now, you can reserve one for a discount and they'll be ready in about 10 months. The CB&Q Pioneer Zephyr is available in the 1934 and 1938(?) consists, plus they have a Flying Yankee available. I have never bought any brass, but growing up in Chicago just had to have a 1934 Pioneer. I have seen the original many times at the Museum of Science & Industry. I also need to go there this Christmas to check out the new $3 million train layout. The trading room at St. Louis was packed tight, but everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves. Great job, everyone! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27778	From: editor	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: S/Sn3

Greetings All, Thank you for your considerations, Dick. We read Robert's below message several times, each time contemplating a response. And we'll not make excuses. From the very beginning, Debbie & I have stated that while we've had some experience in publishing a periodical, we're not seasoned professionals. But you should give us credit for at least coming through with a starting magazine. I will reiterate one more time the point of when Billy first announced that the Guide would be returning, and nearly everyone chimed in that they would support by subscribing, publishing articles & submitting photographs. We sent out postcards & magazine samples, emails, solicited advertisers, built a website, attended shows, and fortunately, a hand full of passionate modelers stepped up and made our very first SMG return issue happen. Was it perfect? Nope. Were we happy? Nope. Was it on time? Nope. Are we use to turning out a below 'Best in Show' caliber results? Nope. Are we going to give up? Nope. Folks, you only get out of something what you put into it. Nuf' said. BTW The folks who stepped up with articles & photos for the very first issue, well, I'm not that sure that the majority of them are S-Standard Scalers. Fortunately, they've come back with material for a second issue. And the SMG is genuinely thankful for their above-and-beyond contributions. Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ UTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTU Dick Karnes WROTE; Bob -- All copies are the same quality. But why don't you give him a chance? First issues are always the worst -- I know -- I've been an editor two different times with "first issues." Did you ever see Billy Wade's first issue of SMG? Awful. Second issue? Better. Last issue? Great! Dick Karnes ============ Robert Black wrote: > Hi group, > > I would like to start a new conversation. > I got my issue of S/Sn3 on Wed. I was wondering if anyone else's > issue has really blurry printing on some of the pages?... > This magizine is not cheep and it doesn't have a lot in it for the > $7.95, so I expect it to be the same or better quality as S Gaugian. > If it won't be then it will not last. > I just wanted to get an idea if it was just my copy or everybody got > the same thing.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27779	From: Ronald	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "scalebusho" <jgardea@z...> wrote: > Hello I am looking for S scale figures in plastic of policemen and > robbers. > > Thanks, > JG Here's some I saw on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3153058377&category=19149 You might look around some of the websites for wargame figures. I've seen different police and gangster figures on some of those sights. Some years ago I bought some cast metal police officers in 25mm scale that look perfect with my Matchbox 1/64 model T police car. It's a Models of Yesteryear car and it came with two plastic police officers and a bank robber making his get away.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27780	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures

I tried site below but it didn't work. Paul S www.scalefigures dot com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27781	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures

Dear Paul, Site works great, just not the way it was typed. Try: http://www.scalefigures.com/S/Sscale.htm Don Paul4Schil@... wrote: >I tried site below but it didn't work. Paul S > > > >www.scalefigures dot com > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27782	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/4/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures

Site worked for me. Try again. Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <Paul4Schil@...> To: <rirocket@...>; <jgardea@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for figures > I tried site below but it didn't work. Paul S > > > > www.scalefigures dot com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27783	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: Looking for figures

Hi Mike, You might try the S buyer's guide at: http://www.s-scaletrains.com/sbuyer/sfigure.htm The link to Fun & Games is there as well as several other sources for S figures. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@m...> wrote: > Site worked for me. > > Try again. > > Mike Marmer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Paul4Schil@a...> > To: <rirocket@k...>; <jgardea@z...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:45 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for figures > > > > I tried site below but it didn't work. Paul S > > > > > > > > www.scalefigures dot com > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27784	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: New AF train collection pictures

For those who may be interested, a few new pictures have been added to my AF picture gallery on the Glancy Trains Modular RR Club site. Included at the end are three videos with sound (for those with the capability of accessing them) showing Flyer S gauge and prewar Gilbert in operation. The site is very ably run and maintained by Dan Machesky, who is a member of our club. The shot taken by Dan of the Santa Fe PA is particularly striking, IMHO. The link is: http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album39 Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27785	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2056

Front coupler fpr A.F. Steam loco. E-mail me off line, I will send a drawing. I have an excelent way to set up a front coupler with out any change to the loco. shell. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27786	From: littletownkid1952	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: A.C Gilbet display layouts

Looking for info on dealer displays. Photos or anything. does anyone have one for sale???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27787	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Fall goodies at 'Rite-Aid'.....

Not sure if any of you have a "Rite-Aid" pharmacy near by,...but that is where I bought my original Fall buildings & goodies,.... and they always go on sale sometime before Christmas,..they may be now, I'm gonna check on it today. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27788	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Train Show

Does anyone know of any shows around the Maryland area this week end? Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27789	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: CAL STEWART

CAL STEWART TRAIN SHOW IS THE 7th 8th & 9th OF THIS MONTH IN PASADENA CALIFORNIA Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27790	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: The rail is too big?

Good afternoon, I have been wondering... If I were to take a piece of AM or SHS flex track, pull the rail out, put in a piece of code 70, gauge it with glue, would it run Proto-64? Now what would happen if I used a cutter and cut a ditch on the inside of the rail, going into each tie about half way. Now I have an 1/8 inch deep, 1/8 inch wide 'ditch' on the inside of both rails. Will my 'ditched' track run Flyonel because the flanges are now in the ditches? Did I just imagineer a great looking piece of track that runs everything? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27791	From: waldootten	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: The rail is too big?

I have been running AC Gilbert American Flyer and Flyonel on AM flex track without any modifications to the track (if I understand your question correctly.) AM track is code .148, which I believe means it is 0.023 inches higher than 1/8 of an inch high, which is 0.125 inches. I'm told it will also accommodate scale wheelsets, although I have none on my roster. Anyway, I don't think the AM track's ties will allow 1/8 of an inch "sculpting" as you suggest. I'd eyeball the ties themselves at about 1/8 of an inch thick. You might be able to do it with SHS track that is premounted on roadbed, though, but I don't have any to examine. Phil K ___________________________________________________________________ > If I were to take a piece of AM or SHS flex track, pull the rail > out, put in a piece of code 70, gauge it with glue, would it run Proto-64? > Now what would happen if I used a cutter and cut a ditch on the > inside of the rail, going into each tie about half way. Now I have an 1/8 > inch deep, 1/8 inch wide 'ditch' on the inside of both rails. Will my > 'ditched' track run Flyonel because the flanges are now in the ditches? Did > I just imagineer a great looking piece of track that runs everything? > > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27792	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Please help indentify part

Dear Fellow Railroaders, I just purchased some realy nice track and amongst the track is a part I have no idea what its function is. It is american flyer P.A.10093. Thanks in advance for your help Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27793	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Homosote?

I keep hearing people talk about putting Homosote over plywood for layouts. http://www.homasote.com/sb.html Is this the stuff? What's suggested? 1/2" Homosote over 3/4" Plywoord? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27794	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: The rail is too big?

Geez, if you were going to all that trouble, why not just lay the track by hand to whatever specifications you want? Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: "S-Scale (E-mail)" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The rail is too big? > Good afternoon, > > I have been wondering... > If I were to take a piece of AM or SHS flex track, pull the rail > out, put in a piece of code 70, gauge it with glue, would it run Proto-64? > Now what would happen if I used a cutter and cut a ditch on the > inside of the rail, going into each tie about half way. Now I have an 1/8 > inch deep, 1/8 inch wide 'ditch' on the inside of both rails. Will my > 'ditched' track run Flyonel because the flanges are now in the ditches? Did > I just imagineer a great looking piece of track that runs everything? > > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27795	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Franklin/Washington Dome

Does anybody know where I can get the large dome for a Franklin or Washington? I have a Washington that is missing this dome. The part number is XA15A664 and it is just in front of the cab. The parts dealers all have the smaller sand dome which is XA15A663, but not this one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27796	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: BLATANT AD #15 RECTIFIERS

I have 2 #15 directronic rectifiers; 1 has a wire that needs to be resoldered easy fix The second has a broken switch a fairly easy fix. $30 for the two which includes shipping. Offers are always welcome & amusing, Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27797	From: John G	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: Homosote?

Michael, This looks like it. I used 1/2 inch Homosote over 1/2 plywood. The Homosote is soft, so it is easy to push your track nails into it. In the Minneapolis area, Menards stocks 2x4 foot sections of it. I have not seen Home Depot stock it. John G. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lueck" <pianoman@l...> wrote: > I keep hearing people talk about putting Homosote over plywood for layouts. > > http://www.homasote.com/sb.html > > Is this the stuff? What's suggested? 1/2" Homosote over 3/4" Plywoord? > > Thanks! > Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27798	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: photo to mystery part

http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album24/flierpart heres the photo. Bob Wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27799	From: TCS	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

764 SSW 3 bay ACF covered hopper. 4-03 765 ADMX 3 bay Trinity covered hopper. 4-02 766 NCUX 3 bay Trinity covered hopper. 10-97 767 SSW 3 bay ACF covered hopper. 9-03 Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27800	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: mystery part

Bob, that is part of the base from an AF # 725 90 degree crossing. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27801	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/5/2003
Subject: Re: Franklin/Washington Dome

Scott, Did you try... http://www.americanflyerparts.com/ .....Leventon Hobby??? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27802	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: mystery part

Mystery solved. Thanks Tom. Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: jarcho@... To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] mystery part Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 00:30:48 -0500 Bob, that is part of the base from an AF # 725 90 degree crossing. Tom Jarcho S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27803	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Fall goodies at 'Rite-Aid'.....

**(((Not sure if any of you have a "Rite-Aid" pharmacy near by,...but that is where I bought my original Fall buildings & goodies,.... and they always go on sale sometime before Christmas,..they may be now, I'm gonna check on it today.)))*** Well shoot,...I'm bummed!! Not ONE darn Fall item to be found at Rite-Aid!! I was so hoping to buy some goodies on sale!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27804	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Benchwork height

I'm sure this has been asked MANY times before..... ...what height do you suggest for layout benchwork?? Thanks, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27805	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height

Hi Rick: Depends on your age. The older you get, the higher you want it! Although that sounds odd, it works out ok!. I asked the same question about a year ago. The answers (about 17) came back from about 32 to 60". The average of all the answers was something like 42". So, I made the distance from the rug covered concrete to the top of the 3/4" plywood about 41 1/2", and with the homosote or with SHS ready trax it took it up to about 42 1/2" to the railhead. I am planning on a second level that will be about 7-8" higher than that, so I go from about 42" to 49 or 50". Of course, the benchwork supports themselves probably take up about 5-6", so the height underneath the beams/1x3" supports, etc. is around 34-36". Of course, it depends if you are going to have two levels with a large distance between the two (some make it about 12-14" or more between the two levels so additional lighting can be put inbetween the two levels. Take a look at Carl Tuveson's layout at <http://tuveson.com/>. His two levels look to be about 8-9" difference. I have found that having the benchwork top as high as I have means I can sit under it fairly easily to move around some, and at my age it is enough - maybe I should have made it a little higher!! Rance Velapoldi Rick Evans wrote: >I'm sure this has been asked MANY times before..... >...what height do you suggest for layout benchwork?? > >Thanks, >Rick. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27806	From: waldootten	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height

> I'm sure this has been asked MANY times before..... > ...what height do you suggest for layout benchwork?? _________________________________________________________ Rick -- with the health and well-being of my college football- damaged 53-year-old knees and back in mind, I went for 48 inches from the floor to the top of the Homosote. Also will give me plenty of hidden storage underneath after I put the curtains along the sides... I also am building a lift-up "bridge" to gain access to the "hole" in the middle -- to avoid a knee-and-back-killing duck-under. It is on the opposite side of the layout from my transformers. I plan to wire everything so when the bridge is lifted, the four main lines crossing over it will immediately shut down until the bridge is repositioned. That way, no trains on floor. BTW, nice picture in "Toy Train Memories." I just got my copy from Amazon.com. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27807	From: waldootten	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Homosote?

> I keep hearing people talk about putting Homosote over plywood for layouts. > > http://www.homasote.com/sb.html > > Is this the stuff? What's suggested? 1/2" Homosote over 3/4" Plywood? _____________________________________________________________________ Michael -- Homosote is ground-up, highly-compressed recycled newprint, I'm told. I used 1/2-inch Homosote over 1/2-inch plywood with 1x4 or 2x4 supports underneath every two feet or so. I found it at Home Depot -- but they don't call it Homosote there -- it's called "floor underlayment." They have 4x4 sheets, which is a size that makes it easy to handle and get home. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27808	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Fwd: forward

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 27809	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Diesel Power Trucks

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 27810	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: S-Video Volume VII

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 27811	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height

***((((Loaded question Rick)))**** Yep,...I figured it would be!! Everyone has their own opinions/reasons for the height they chose! My little "seasonal" layout is on a folding table and is 31" high,.....my 4x8 layout that I had in the garage was about 48" high. (I sat on a high barstool when running a train--nice height for me) I'm not to concerned with how realistic it looks being I'm not a 'scaler'. I hope to enlarge my seasonal layout and will most likely go with a height around 40-44"...maybe a tad higher. Just curious to what height most are using. The various reasons are interesting for sure!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27812	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: S-Video Volume VII (second attempt)

It looks like we won't be producing Volume VII this year after all. Sorry to say, nobody has come forth with any video of the NASG convention this year. We feel that it is needed to "fill" the video. We have more "how to" and layout construction along with S- West IV (Oct. 2002) and Flyer Fest West (May 2003) But feel that we need NASG 2003 to complete it. Our next production will be available on DVD as well as VHS tape. It is not too late if anybody has any video of NASG 2003 they would send right away. We would like to get one out before Christmas and can still do so if we get tape very soon. Thanks Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27813	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Diesel Power Trucks (second attempt)

Anybody out there in the ether have any Diesel power trucks laying around they might part with? We are in need of a few. Thanks in advance Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27814	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Industrial backgrounds

I have friend who wants a good photo background of an industrial area. I know about Realistic Backgrounds (about $9 each), but several years ago I came across a site that had beautiful panoramic views of, I believe, Pittsburgh - steel mills, etc. Does anyone know who that was? Thanks. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27815	From: Dennis Back	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height

Here is another perspective which I'm not sure has ever been mentioned. My layout is 42" h. and this is where the actual track is. It has room for stoage and sitting (hunched over) under the layout. But the height has never FELT right to me. It just doesn't feel like "my trains." Here is what I mean. When I was a kid, I was used to sitting on the floor or a small chair when I operated my trains. My present layout although nice to look at, is just too high to equal that same angle. Granted if I were a bit taller (I'm only 5' 6") it might be different. So Rick, before you cut and build, just sit on the floor and measure the distance from your eyes to the floor. Then see if that comes near to where you want your bench (when you are standing). I'm wondering if anyone else feels the way I do about this? Regards, Dennis Miami __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27816	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: BLATANT AD #15 RECTIFIERS

I HAVE SOLD THE RECTIFIERS> THANK YOU < Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27817	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [S-Trains] Benchwork height

I like the S mod standard of 42" to top of rail. My home layout is too low at 36" table height. I find it much easier to work under our club modules. Also the 42" is high enough for almost everyone. Smaller kids need to stand on a chair at train shows. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@onelist.com>; "S-Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: [S-Trains] Benchwork height > ***((((Loaded question Rick)))**** > > > Yep,...I figured it would be!! Everyone has their own opinions/reasons for the height they chose! > My little "seasonal" layout is on a folding table and is 31" high,.....my 4x8 layout that I had in > the garage was about 48" high. (I sat on a high barstool when running a train--nice height for me) > I'm not to concerned with how realistic it looks being I'm not a 'scaler'. I hope to enlarge my > seasonal layout and will most likely go with a height around 40-44"...maybe a tad higher. > Just curious to what height most are using. The various reasons are interesting for sure!! > > > Rick. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27818	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height

I think that is a remarkable idea myself. Two setups ago I had the height were it was like what you were saying. The eye level was eguel to the eye level if I was on the floor and it had a nice feeling. Now my last layout was lower. More like 42" and it didnt have the same feel and effect as the higher one. Im 6"2" to give you an idea on the height. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: Dennis Back <backden@...> Reply-To: backden@... To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Benchwork height Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:01:38 -0800 (PST) Here is another perspective which I'm not sure has ever been mentioned. My layout is 42" h. and this is where the actual track is. It has room for stoage and sitting (hunched over) under the layout. But the height has never FELT right to me. It just doesn't feel like "my trains." Here is what I mean. When I was a kid, I was used to sitting on the floor or a small chair when I operated my trains. My present layout although nice to look at, is just too high to equal that same angle. Granted if I were a bit taller (I'm only 5' 6") it might be different. So Rick, before you cut and build, just sit on the floor and measure the distance from your eyes to the floor. Then see if that comes near to where you want your bench (when you are standing). I'm wondering if anyone else feels the way I do about this? Regards, Dennis Miami __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27819	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Weights for AM Passenger cars

You can get metal straps for connecting framing at any Home Depot etc. They fit right in to the AM passenger cars. Great job with the first S/SN3 Modeling Guide. Get on board guys. Give them help and give it now!! Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27820	From: mcconnell63	Date: 11/6/2003
Subject: Benchwork Hight

Hi Everyone, My last layout was 36" hi and that was to the top of the bench. I found this hight good so I can reach around the top of the bench and do repairs and whatever without making my bad back worse. Also, I can sit in a comfortable chair and keep an eye (or two) on the entire operation. This works for me. Al Sabella Wilson, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27821	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Re: Industrial backgrounds

Hi all: BackDrop Warehouse at <http://www.backdropwarehouse.com/indexbdwh.htm> has quite a few large backdrops, including mountains, rolling hills, and industries. Not too cheap. Rance Velapoldi rkuepper wrote: >I have friend who wants a good photo background of an industrial area. I know about Realistic Backgrounds (about $9 each), but several years ago I came across a site that had beautiful panoramic views of, I believe, Pittsburgh - steel mills, etc. Does anyone know who that was? Thanks. > >Dick Kuepper >Aurora, OH > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27822	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Hi All, Does anyone know where I can find a set of AM, B&O Heavyweight passenger cars? Thanks,Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27823	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Links to S web sites

Hi Folks, To help us promote S, would those of you who have web sites like to plug in links to the S buyers guide and the S friendly hobby shop web pages? I'll supply the link to plug into your HTML as well as the JPG's of the buttons that will appear on your web page. I don't receive any commercial benefits for these sites, but only do them for enjoyment and to promote S. If you want to see them just go to: www.s-scaletrains.com and look on the right. Get in touch at: rhoffman(at)innernet(dot)net Thanks, Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27824	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Ad space

Hi Folks Is there any manufacturer who would be interested in taking over one of the spots in our CTT co-op ad. Please contact me off list at john.foley16@... or call 570 622 3413 Thanks John Foley NASG Promotions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27825	From: Tim	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Rail height

There seems to be an interest in the height of the table on home layouts. The tops of my rails are about 4 1/2 feet below street level. :0 :0 Hope this helps! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27826	From: Neil Becker	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height

I set my 8'x12' layout rail height at 36" but because of the bracing for the bench work, crawl clearance is way too low. Anybody have an idea how to raise the entire layout support 6-8 inches. I figure to Dutch splice the legs. Hydraulic jacks on cribbing? There are 12 support legs involved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27827	From: editor	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2059

<SNIP>Great job with the first S/SN3 Modeling Guide. Get on board guys. Give them help and give it now!! Jim Sleeth Thank you , Jim! Issue 2 mails out December 1st! Issue 1 is now a 'Back Issue' with very few left & still available. Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27828	From: Hall G	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: backdrops

? on industrial backdrops. I have been shooting panorama photomurals for years. Wanted something different for my model railways rather then the standard backdrops. So I created my own after investing heavily in the computer and printer and programs to do it. I have a little home based company where I create custom backdrops, take a look for a few samples; http://www.panoramacanada.ca/ If you want something custom made of a particular industrial scene if you can get the photos I can create the image for you! If a general industrial view can go shoot some photos of something to create a backdrop! It is kind of neat to create something custom for your own railway. Gordon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27829	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: (no subject)

Subject: Help with AC 300 and 21160 Atlantics - GreetingS - James Sleeth asked several interesting question. The online locomotive wiring diagrams help much. Alternatively, here is a walk-thru for some of the tests. For motor testing, one-directional running, the wiring is fairly simple. The reversing unit is not involved with this test. The motors with field coils are identified by having the rotating element above the trailing truck, in the firebox grate region except on the Casey Jones and other late manufacture 4-4-0 locos and on the Docksider. In all but the last few, the rotating element, known as the armature, has an axis about 20 degrees above the horizontal. The field coil is above the armature and is wound with enamel-insulated copper wire. To test this motor, run a lead from the transformer base terminal to one brush terminal. This terminal makes contact with the commutator on the armature. The commutator consists of three copper segments. The carbon brush makes the electrical connection from the stationary brush holder to the armature. The other brush holder is connected to one end of the wire making the field coil. The other end of the field coil is connected to the other terminal on the transformer. Use the transformer terminals marked for track power. This is called a series connection. Do not connect the transformer to the brush terminals only or the field terminals only. Doing so is an invitation to disaster. The motor is designed as a series motor and must be run that way. The 21160 is one of the locos with reverse right there in the cab. It cannot get much simpler. Switch wiring usually involves the field connections. To reverse operation, the current is in the same direction thru the armature and in the opposite direction thru the field. Thus the tangential force on the armature is reversed. Here is an ASCII diagram of the connection. _________________ | | | Transformer | track terminal | |=X------------------------| | | | | | O brush | \\ | o o | \\ | o o armature | \\ | o o & | O | o o commutator | | o o | | O brush | | | | | X X>>X----| | | directional \ / C | | swiitch \ / C field | | thrown right / \ C coil | | (froom ctr) / \ C | | X X>>X----| | |=X------------------------| ------------------ track terminal On the directional switch, top left and lower right switch terminals both are connected to one end or the field coil. Top right and lower left terminals are both connected to the other end of the coil. Assume for the instant that current is down thru the armature. With the switch thrown to the right as indicated, current flows down thru the field coil. If the switch is thrown to the left, current proceeds to the top left terminal, diagonally down to the bottom of the coil, upward thru the coil (opposite from previous direction), to left, down, and back to transformer. Any questions? Feel free to communicate. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27830	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Re: Benchwork height

A method I've used is to raise a board (3/4") at a time at each leg until the layout is up 3/4". Repeat as often as necessary . Tedious but about the only way one guy can do it. Apply splices one leg at a time after lifting is compete. I did this when my son outgrew his layout height of 30" and raised it to 36". Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Becker" <afmaven@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Benchwork height > I set my 8'x12' layout rail height at 36" but because of the bracing for the > bench work, crawl clearance is way too low. > > Anybody have an idea how to raise the entire layout support 6-8 inches. I figure to Dutch splice the legs. Hydraulic jacks on cribbing? There are 12 support legs involved. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27831	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 9, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27832	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: DCC help

I have received a letter from a reader that I need some help answering. He asks about DCC for older Flyer equipment: is it available, is such a change practical, and where should he go to start? He would like to convert two old steamers, one with an AC can motor, one diesel and a late model AM RS-3. I would like to know this stuff myself. My exposure to DCC is limited so far. I doubt that this guy is on line. Thanks in advance for your help. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27833	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: NASG Tidings

'Twas the month before Christmas in 2003. I picked up two books, and what did I see? There in "Toy Trucker" and "Toy Farmer" too Was an S scale ad. Oh, too good to be true. NASG had placed this great ad, oh boy, oh boy, Along with Norscot, Diecast Direct, and Penjoy. And, there was a picture, clear as a bell Of the great Armco building they're trying to sell. The web site, an e-mail: this is so unholy, But it had to be true 'cauze it said write to John Foley. This is quite a departure for an old organization, To break the mold of scale train mag fraternization. But, now it's history, and I say, "Way to go!" NASG's found a new row to hoe. (For maybe some new members and maybe their dough?) Okay--so I ain't a poet. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27834	From: Kielek Family	Date: 11/7/2003
Subject: LTI Gabe lamplighter

Greetings Everyone! I have a Gabe that is "burnt out". I have replaced the board with a new one from Lionel. Gabe goes up the ladder and down OK, but once he is at the top the lights went on for about 15secs, and that was IT! No more lights. I think there is a problem with a component on the board,but don't no for sure. Why did Lionel subsitute electronics into a proven design? Anyways, if anyone has suggestions, they would be appreciated. Thanx Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27835	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/8/2003
Subject: Re: DCC help

Dear Tom, Anyone that has gone to the Winter Amherst Show in Springfield, MA has had the opportunity to see the great display of DCC sound equipped AC Gilbert steamers. You cannot believe the amount of smoke pouring out of the K-5 going up the grade to the rotary coal dump. Truly inspirational. An S gauge DCC webpage is available, but at this time does not have instructions for use with AC Gilbert engines. The chairman of the NMRA DCC standards committee, Michael Greene, is also an S Gauger. He might have more information. I will forward this post to him as well as Helen, Tommy, and Bill who have done similar conversions over the years. http://www.mainerailroads.org/dcccorner.html#Installing Don jarcho@... wrote: >I have received a letter from a reader that I need some help answering. > >He asks about DCC for older Flyer equipment: is it available, is such a >change practical, and where should he go to start? > >He would like to convert two old steamers, one with an AC can motor, one >diesel and a late model AM RS-3. > >I would like to know this stuff myself. My exposure to DCC is limited so far. > >I doubt that this guy is on line. > >Thanks in advance for your help. > >Tom Jarcho > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27836	From: trainman634	Date: 11/8/2003
Subject: Freight car truck repair

Is there anyone on this list that would replace or repair freight car trucks and couplers for a repair fee? Thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27837	From: David	Date: 11/8/2003
Subject: Re: DCC help

DCC is available now for all scales. These two sites should give anyone a thorough understanding. http://www.ttx-dcc.com/tonystips/dccprimer/index.htm http://www.loystoys.com/dcc-topics.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27838	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/8/2003
Subject: Re: DCC help

There are quite a few people doing DCC in S scale, and also in American Flyer. Mike Greene has a web site with a lot of information, all aimed specifically at S. I've done several Flyer steamers and the AM RS-3. Check out Mike's website at: http://www.mainerailroads.org/dcccorner.html Depending where your reader lives its likely someone near him is doing DCC in S. Bill At 10:44 PM 11/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I have received a letter from a reader that I need some help answering. > >He asks about DCC for older Flyer equipment: is it available, is such a >change practical, and where should he go to start? > >He would like to convert two old steamers, one with an AC can motor, one >diesel and a late model AM RS-3. > >I would like to know this stuff myself. My exposure to DCC is limited so far. > >I doubt that this guy is on line. > >Thanks in advance for your help. > >Tom Jarcho > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27839	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/8/2003
Subject: new photo

Well the wagon made it to town. This is Matt Dillons office. I little crude but western buildings were then. My next building will be Kitty's Saloon. Im going to try to model the hotel salloon using scale ship lap siding. If not Bat and board. This town as it grows I heard that the railroad is coming to town with a passenger frontier steam train. Cant wait! http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album24/wagonintown2 Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27840	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: AF Frontiersman

I bought a Franklin passenger set several years ago that was advertised on ebay as a Truscott set. I just pulled the box out of the closet and saw it says "Gilbert #20550". According to the T&M Guide, that was a rare set that came with a specially marked "One of the first fifty" locos (which mine is not), and is valued at $2500!! Any idea whether the box is from that set, or if ACG just used the same box for later sets? Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27841	From: trainman634	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Gargraves S-Gauge Switches

Does anyone on this list use Gargraves switches and if so how do they work?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27842	From: mktslsf	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: SHS Starter Sets

Hi, If any of you have purchased one of these sets, please let me know what your opinion is about the quality and operation. Also, does SHS make track sets? Thanks! Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27843	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Re: AF Frontiersman

Hi, Dick: Please see page 95, as well, for what I believe is your common version of the 20550 set. Also, please note the ( ) around the set number of the "First Fifty" version. BTW, the Truscott sets were numbered from 20556 to 20560, contents for which are outlined on pgs. 98 and 99. See Bob Tufts book, pgs. 70 and 71 for the various box descriptions. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 11/9/03 7:47:47 AM, rkuepper@... writes: << I bought a Franklin passenger set several years ago that was advertised on ebay as a Truscott set. I just pulled the box out of the closet and saw it says "Gilbert #20550". According to the T&M Guide, that was a rare set that came with a specially marked "One of the first fifty" locos (which mine is not), and is valued at $2500!! Any idea whether the box is from that set, or if ACG just used the same box for later sets? Thanks. Dick Aurora, OH >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27844	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Re: SHS Starter Sets

Hi Doug, I have 2 starter sets myself and have sold 4 of them to fellow S-Gaugers and newbies alike. You can not and will not find better quality in any S-Gauge trains made at this time. Another thing, If you want a reputable dealer and someone who stands behind their product, S-Helper Service is it. Don, Robin and Mike are just truly good people. The S-Trax system is great also. I have converted from American Flyer track to Gargraves and now I run just S-Trax by S-Helper Service. If you would like a few pictures of how good this track looks check out their website at <A HREF="www.showcaseline.com"> www.showcaseline.com</A> You can run both hi-rail and scale wheels on this track system too. It may seem pricey at first, but when you consider buying cork roadbed and ballast plus the glue, then figure in your time doing the work, S-Trax is a very good buy. I also have pictures of my portable Christmas display that uses the track. I can send some of them to you if you would like. Hope this helps with your descision. Chris Burger Dayton, Ohio 45403 NASG TCA MVSG [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27845	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Buy, Sale or Swap

I have been looking at my AF items and have declared the following item excess: 1. internal mechanism for the automated boxcar (unknown number - I never had the shell) with sheet metal trucks and link couplers. The solenoid operates very smoothly by hand (I don't know how it operates with power - I don't want to burn in out - I don't see any melt or scorch marks) - no rust on floor or trucks. $25 2. AF 0-6-0 chassis frame only - front "ears" or steps? Missing - $10 3. AF 0-8-0 die cast shell only (342/343) - paint has been removed cleanly - no rust or corrosion - no breaks - ready for repaint - $50 WANTED: I would like to get an operator quality or basket case AF 355 Baldwin for a restoration project - I particularly need the rear steps and the power truck - but have plans for another whole engine if available. Anyone interested? - contact me off list and we'll strike a deal. Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel and VGN Rwy fan trapped in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27846	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Re: Gargraves S-Gauge Switches

If they are still makeing it like they did 30 yrs ago I would avoid this stuff . I had built a large layout with this stuff & had nothing but trouble . In general their track is not always in gauge, & when you bend it, it gets worse, and the open frogs on the switches were so bad that the flanges of the wheels would bottom out , not good. Yes this stuff looks good, but in My use it was nothing but problems

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27847	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Franklin 4-4-2

I'm tuning up my 4-4-2, which I hadn't used in several years, and the reverse unit hums but does'nt engage. Any suggestions would be apprieciated. And thanks for all the responses to my inquiry about the Frontiersman set. Cleared it up fine. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27848	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: two questions

Hi gang, I picked up 7 bottles of Department 56 smoke fluid for $5 at the TCA auction last weekend. Has anyone tried using this stuff in Flyer smoke units? Is there anything I should be concerned about? My last layout had accessory buttons mounted vertically on the side of the boards that circled the inner lip of the table. This worked OK, but you couldn't read the name of the button. I have two train boys, 6 and 9, that I would like to be the chief button pushers and operators of this layout so the buttons need to be within their reach. We also decided that rather than having one control area with all the buttons, we would place the buttons in front of each accessory. Does anyone have any advice or pictures of how they have mounted accessory buttons? Thanks, Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27849	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Search Light Car

Hi, I have picked up a Erie 7210 search light car in need of repair. The wire from the truck through the hole and into the light is "fried." I cannot figure how to get into the light to replace the wire. It looks like the socket has been pressed into place with no way to remove it. Any help out there. Thanks in advance. Wayne __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27850	From: Artidomal@xtra.co.nz	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Authorization request

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 27851	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Station sound module

I'm going through stuff I had packed away and came across an electronic sound module inside a Mystic station. I recall that it is the old AF recording, but cannot find the wiring diagram. The only marking on it is "TS-4". It measures about 1" x 4 1/2" and has a 2" speaker attached. It has 2 pairs of wires - a blue and black, and a red and black. I tried various search engines but can't find anything. Any info out there? Thanks as always. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27852	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Flyonel GP7

I'm interested in the 370 GP 7 by Lionel. What are your experiences? Does it have a similiar style motor as the AF 370? What price range are they in? Dwight Lehnhoff Knoxville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27853	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Chat tonite, Have fun

HI all, We have my folks here, helping us move, so I doubt I'll make it to chat tonite. Y'all have a great time! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27854	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Chat tonite, Have fun

David... Moving? Still?? Good lord!! Wish I was closer to help.........with the AF stuff!! ;^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27855	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 9, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27856	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/9/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /S-Chat Transcripts/s-chat-11-9-03.txt Uploaded by : myflyertrains <myflyertrains@...> Description : s-chat-11-9-03.txt You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/S-Chat%20Transcripts/s-chat-11-9-03.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, myflyertrains <myflyertrains@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27857	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Fw: Pictures

Check the link in the text below for some pictures, thanks to Bill Johnson, of our set up at the Genessee Society of Model Engineers at the Batavia Downs racetrack yesterday, Nov. 9th. To view pictures a little larger on my IE browser I had to choose "open link ijn a new window" for each picture. Our RASG modular layout set up was 10' x 28'. Width increased to 10' by addition of 2' bridge moduled at the ends between corner modules to relieve congestion in the pit area.. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: W. C. Johnson To: cesmith@... Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:40 AM Subject: Pictures Chuck, I put the pictures in a web page so that everyone could see them. type http://wcjohn.isplaza.net/RASG.html into your browser to view them. Enjoy, Bill Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27858	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Gargraves S-Gauge Switches

I use some of the older style and they work fine. They require a solid and level mounting under the plastic ties. I use NJ switch machines. I haven't yet tried the later smaller radius ones. I have heard some reservations about the later style. I have one but haven't tried it yet. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "trainman634" <carl4260@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gargraves S-Gauge Switches > Does anyone on this list use Gargraves switches and if so how do they > work? > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27859	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Mounting Flyer Buttons

Jacques Ollivier wrote: <My last layout had accessory buttons mounted <vertically on the side of the boards that circled <the inner lip of the table. This worked OK, but <you couldn't read the name of the button. I have <two train boys, 6 and 9, that I would like to be the <chief button pushers and operators of this layout so <the buttons need to be within their reach. We also <decided that rather than having one control area <with all the buttons, we would place the buttons in <front of each accessory. Does anyone have any <advice or pictures of how they have mounted <accessory buttons? On our Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers modular layouts, we have over 70 buttons to operate various accessories around the layout. What we did was to create a channel on the inside edge of the facia board for each module. The plexiglass is then inserted into this channel. We then made button boards which hang inside this channel with two metal hangers at each end of the 4 foot button boards, with a little cutout at each end of the plexiglass. We also (thanks to Calvin Azarowicz) created wiring harnesses that allow these button boards to be easily removed and installed, with accessories hooked up to the wiring harness under the module using alligator clips. In this way, different accessories can be easily and quickly installed at each show, and even changed out during shows. On a home layout, these button boards could be moved around as accessories are relocated or new accessories are installed. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27860	From: rogerpjr@ix.netcom.com	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Mounting Flyer Buttons

I made triangular shaped supports that attach to the edge of the platform and have 3/8" plywood on top of them that the buttons are screwd into. The angle makes viewing easy. I have a button in front of each accessory so the Grandkids can immediatly tell which button to push. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Sent: Nov 10, 2003 10:31 AM To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Mounting Flyer Buttons Jacques Ollivier wrote: <My last layout had accessory buttons mounted <vertically on the side of the boards that circled <the inner lip of the table. This worked OK, but <you couldn't read the name of the button. I have <two train boys, 6 and 9, that I would like to be the <chief button pushers and operators of this layout so <the buttons need to be within their reach. We also <decided that rather than having one control area <with all the buttons, we would place the buttons in <front of each accessory. Does anyone have any <advice or pictures of how they have mounted <accessory buttons? On our Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers modular layouts, we have over 70 buttons to operate various accessories around the layout. What we did was to create a channel on the inside edge of the facia board for each module. The plexiglass is then inserted into this channel. We then made button boards which hang inside this channel with two metal hangers at each end of the 4 foot button boards, with a little cutout at each end of the plexiglass. We also (thanks to Calvin Azarowicz) created wiring harnesses that allow these button boards to be easily removed and installed, with accessories hooked up to the wiring harness under the module using alligator clips. In this way, different accessories can be easily and quickly installed at each show, and even changed out during shows. On a home layout, these button boards could be moved around as accessories are relocated or new accessories are installed. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27861	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: S-WebRing

I started a S-Scale / S-Gauge oriented webring, called S-WebRing. If you have a website and want to be part of the ring, send me your site name and URL, and I will add you to the list and send you the HTML needed to add the navigation buttons to your site. To learn more visit. http://s-scale.org/webring.html I have added the WebRing Nav buttons to http://S-Scale.org and to http://S-Trains.com ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27862	From: TCS	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S an O scale

768 SLSF 1910 gondola (3-10) 769 D&RGW drop bottom gondola (5-49, 8-59, 4-49, 2-48) 770 SLSF panel side 2 bay coal hopper (6-46) 771 SLSF covered panel 2 bay side hopper (6-46) Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27863	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2062

Wayne: I made a tool to remove the reflector from the searchlight car, so that the wire can be replaced. A thin punch that will fit thru the wire hole and fit behind the reflector at a point where it is held at a crimp Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27864	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2061

Gargraves switches: I use them in straight sections only, at least 4 car length long. power them with slow motion motors and have good results with both hi-rail and scale wheels. same with the track, straight sections only, all curves are flyer track,. I re-bend flyer curved track for other than the standard 19 1/4" radius. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27865	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Searchlight car, and Station sound module

Wayne---- You can insert an ice-pick through the hole in the back of the lamp housing. Tap it gently, and it will pop the socket assembly loose. Repair the wiring, reinsert the socket unit, and epoxy it in place. Dick---- You bought that electronic "Station Master" from me! It was our electronic version of the Talking Station record. They work fine, and sold well, until we lost our source of the appropriate chips. ORIGINAL MESSAGES (TWO)---- <<<< From: Wayne Zebron <zebbie61354@...> Subject: Search Light Car Hi, I have picked up a Erie 7210 search light car in need of repair. The wire from the truck through the hole and into the light is "fried." I cannot figure how to get into the light to replace the wire. It looks like the socket has been pressed into place with no way to remove it. Any help out there. Thanks in advance. Wayne>>>> AND <<<< From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> Subject: Station sound module I'm going through stuff I had packed away and came across an electronic sound module inside a Mystic station. I recall that it is the old AF recording, but cannot find the wiring diagram. The only marking on it is "TS-4". It measures about 1" x 4 1/2" and has a 2" speaker attached. It has 2 pairs of wires - a blue and black, and a red and black. I tried various search engines but can't find anything. Any info out there?>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27866	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/10/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2060

<<<< From: "trainman634" <carl4260@...> Subject: Freight car truck repair Is there anyone on this list that would replace or repair freight car trucks and couplers for a repair fee? Thank you. >>>> No problem..... What do you need done????? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27867	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: SHS next container

The SW-1s (GN, CB&Q, EL and CRRofNJ), enhanced #3 switches, 2003 Christmas stock car and GN glacier green flatcar sailed today on the P&O Nedlloyd Stuyvesant V .20E45. This shipment is expected the week after Thanksgiving. We appreciated everyone patience on some of these items. Best regards, Don PS We will have a few 2003 Christmas cars left. http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenstockcars_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27868	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Paging Robert Jackson

(Everyone else please delete.) Bob, Every page I send to rwjaxon@... bounces. Please contact me so I may fix my address book. The exact text is: "Your message has been delayed and is still awaiting delivery to the following recipient(s): rwjaxon@... Message delayed Your message is delayed Message for domain sbcglobal.com delayed at we-energies.com. Unable to deliver to domain for 24 hours. Will continue trying for 24 hours. No action is required on your part. Last attempt failed because: Can't connect to host" Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27869	From: mikemelinda2000	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: 30B Transformer

Hope this is not considered too far off topic. Does anybody have any thoughts on using a bridge rectifier with my 30B transformer to power the HO Christmas tree layout? Don't want to burn anything out.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27870	From: John G	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: 30B Transformer

=> Does anybody have any thoughts on using a bridge rectifier with my 30B transformer to power the HO Christmas tree layout? Wow, what an intriguing idea. That 30B transformer has enough juice to power all the HO trains in North & South Dakota combined! It would work, but you need to be aware of a couple things: 1) the voltage on the 30B does not go to zero when the throttle is set at zero. It still has about 5 volts by design so the American Flyer reversing relay doesn't trip. This means that your HO locomotive may not be able to stop at zero throttle setting, but could still creep along slowly. A work-around is to lift the 30B throttle handle to break the circuit to stop the train. 2) The 30B voltage at full throttle is a little on the high end for HO. You probably should be okay if you don't run at full throttle very much. As an alternative, you might consider using an 100 watt American Flyer 4B transformer (with a bridge rectifier). It's voltage does go to zero at the low throttle setting, and the high end voltage is a couple volts less. John Gasal --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mikemelinda2000" <mikemelinda2000@y...> wrote: > Hope this is not considered too far off topic. Does anybody have any > thoughts on using a bridge rectifier with my 30B transformer to power > the HO Christmas tree layout? Don't want to burn anything out.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27871	From: trainman634	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: First talking station.

What was the first year the talking station was offered for sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27872	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: First talking station.

I believe the 23786 was first offered in 1957. But the 755 was first offered in 1948. The thing that is a little puzzling is that my reference guide lists a "talking station record" (598) as being available as early as 1946. Maybe someone else has better data than I ...Barb trainman634 wrote: > What was the first year the talking station was offered for sale? > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27873	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Brooks Stover - Pls Contact Me Off-Group

Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27874	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: AF # 784 railway hump set

Has anyone ever actually used an AF #784 railway hump set? Does it work well, or does it just lead to a lot of derailments? I was just looking at the instructions, and it seems to me it would help to have two track sections between the #1 trestle and the track switch, instead of one as specified. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27875	From: David	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: First talking station.

Sometime in the late 1930's. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainman634" <carl4260@e...> wrote: > What was the first year the talking station was offered for sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27876	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: First talking station.

In a message dated 11/11/03 7:40:06 PM, carl4260@... writes: << What was the first year the talking station was offered for sale? >> The no. 597 a-Koostikin Talking Passenger and Freight Station was introduced in 1940, along with the No. 595 a-Koostikin Talking Tool Shed, and the No. 598 a-Koostikin record. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27877	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Big Sale at American Models

Take a look: http://www.americanmodels.com/sale.html Tremendous deals. I've already put in an order with Santa on a NYC E8 passenger set! Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27878	From: David Engle	Date: 11/11/2003
Subject: Re: Big Sale at American Models

Gee whiz, another break like that and it may be worth it to look at kitbashing them into full-length cars!!. -----Original Message----- From: srgriggs [mailto:sgriggs@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Big Sale at American Models Take a look: http://www.americanmodels.com/sale.html Tremendous deals. I've already put in an order with Santa on a NYC E8 passenger set! Scott S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27879	From: Mason	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: 310 & 312 box sets

Can anyone tell me what the box set numbers are for the 310 and 312 Pennsy steamers and the 360,364 passenger? I believe they were manufactured between 1946 and 1948 and the 360,364 in the early fifties. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27880	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Scale Modeling] Paging Robert Jackson

I guess I found him. Thanks to all that helped. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jackson [mailto:rwjaxon@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:58 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Paging Robert Jackson Hi Thorin, Well, I suppose the bouncing is due to sbcglobal.com which should be sbcglobal.net Bob "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: (Everyone else please delete.) Bob, Every page I send to rwjaxon@... bounces. Please contact me so I may fix my address book. The exact text is: "Your message has been delayed and is still awaiting delivery to the following recipient(s): rwjaxon@... Message delayed Your message is delayed Message for domain sbcglobal.com delayed at we-energies.com. Unable to deliver to domain for 24 hours. Will continue trying for 24 hours. No action is required on your part. Last attempt failed because: Can't connect to host" Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27881	From: roy inman	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Prototype

Hi to all, Not specifically an S question, so I will be brief. Trying to make a case for getting a rail cam installed at Union Station Kansas City. Somewhere between 200-300 trains a day pass by this location, six Amtrak the rest freight. Seems to me that puts it right up there with the best train spotting sites in North America, but would appreciate any feedback from you folks: where rail cams are installed, what are some of the numbers? Many thanks for any info and Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27882	From: David	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Re: 310 & 312 box sets

310 - #4605 312 - #4607, #4609, #4619, #5114 360-364 - #5107W, #5108W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27883	From: Bill	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: DC conversion

Has anyone converted an AF steamer to run on DC? There was a method in an AF repair book of building a diode bridge that would replace the E unit. But, somewhere I thought I saw a factory-made unit. Anyone have success with this? Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27884	From: waldootten	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Railcams

Roy -- First, try this: www.railcams.com In Illinois, there are three I frequent when I'm put on hold at the office. Galesburg -- http://64.40.92.210:1100/video/med.html Rochelle -- http://www.trains.com/webcams/rochelle_current.asp? Fort Madison -- http://www.livetrains.com/snav/4/page.htm I copied the addresses off my favorites bar. Galesburg is operated by a private company located along the BNSF main line. Rochelle is operated by Trains Magazine from Rochelle Railroad Park and you have to register (no big privacy deal). It shows the crossover diamonds of the double mainlines of the BNSF from Chicago to Savannah, Ill. and the UP from Chicago to Clinton, IA. Fort Madison is the BNSF mainline at the swinging bridge over the Mississippi. Galesburg and Ft. Madison are the least busy of the three, no train count. Rochelle has between 100 and 160 freights a day. Ft. Madison's train cam allows the user to zoom in and out and pan left to right -- pretty cool. Good luck! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27885	From: waldootten	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: K-Line S-cars become highly collectible?

Take a look at this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3155376488&category=16509&rd=1 Does this guy know he can buy one in a hobby shop for $19.95 or online for a bit less? What was it that P.T. Barnum said about one being born every day? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27886	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Prototype

Hi Roy (and all): A few of the several that I have are as follows: 1) traincams: http://166.82.18.119/index.html 2) Tehachapi railcams: www.trainorders.com/cameras.tehachapi/index.php (I just tried this one and it looks as though one has to be a member now. Before one could see the freights, etc. withoug being a member. Think I got it from Dave Dewey) 3)Dunsmuir: http://www.trainorders.com/cameras/dunsmuir/1.php 4)Had one for the BNSF from the Mendota Rail Museum, but that has disappeared. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) Barry Comer wrote: >Hi Roy. Go to Trainweb.com. They have at least 2 I know of, if not more. One is at Rochelle, Illinois, the BN/UP crossing. There was just a blurb about it in one of the Kalmbach magazines. Also one in California, shows a lot of Amtrak stuff. Should be able to supply numbers. Hope it helps. Barry. > >-----Original Message----- >From: roy inman [mailto:rinphoto@...] >Trying to make a case for getting a rail cam installed at Union Station Kansas City. where rail cams are installed, what are some of the numbers? > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27887	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Re: DC conversion

See this link http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/rectifier.htm Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <brassybass@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] DC conversion > Has anyone converted an AF steamer to run on DC? There was a method > in an AF repair book of building a diode bridge that would replace > the E unit. But, somewhere I thought I saw a factory-made unit. > Anyone have success with this? > Thanks, Bill > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27888	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: DC Conversion

I have 3 mainlines and have constructed a simple box with parts from Radio Shack that has a bridge rectifier,SPST and a DPDT switch for each mainline. I therefore can with the throw of a switch choose AC or DC and forward and backward for my DC only Northern. For the AC engines the E unit operates as usual even on DC. I also use DC for any accessories that use solonoids: uncouplers, water tower. etc. The DC eliminates the raspy sound when activated. Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27889	From: TCS	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

772 AAMX 4 bay covered hopper (1-79) 773 SLSF Balwin hood unit VO-1000 Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27890	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: Re: 30B Transformer

Mike it will work fine.I used to run my Ho trains with my flyer transfomer all the time when I was a kid.Then I would set up the flyer trains and run them.It was the only transformer I had,dad ran his ho with one too. Bob mikemelinda2000 <mikemelinda2000@...> wrote:Hope this is not considered too far off topic. Does anybody have any thoughts on using a bridge rectifier with my 30B transformer to power the HO Christmas tree layout? Don't want to burn anything out. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27891	From: Marty Rajsich	Date: 11/12/2003
Subject: cow

Hello , I am looking for the cow for a cow on the track, can someone tell me where I can find one?, Regards Marty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27892	From: elinashusband	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Scotchbrite

Not to open up a can of worms, I vividly remember the last time rail cleaning was discussed, and am not looking to get that started again, but my question is this: For those who use Scotchbrite for rail cleaning, do you use it wet or dry? Luis Matthews

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27893	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Re: Scotchbrite

I use it dry. I have found that by running trains almost daily my tracks stay somewhat grimy from smoke oil film and conductivity stays good for a looong time after cleaning. In fact, I now only clean areas that are obviously in need of it, as evidenced by reverse unit tripping or inadvertent horn blowing. I have stopped adding a drop or two of smoke oil per loop after cleaning. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "elinashusband" <ghoti@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Scotchbrite > Not to open up a can of worms, I vividly remember the last time rail > cleaning was discussed, and am not looking to get that started again, > but my question is this: For those who use Scotchbrite for rail > cleaning, do you use it wet or dry? > > Luis Matthews > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27894	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Re: Scotchbrite

***((((For those who use Scotchbrite for rail cleaning, do you use it wet or dry?)))**** I use 'em dry. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27895	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Double Helix Pictures

I finally posted some pictures of the St. Louis club's double helix: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun49 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27896	From: Rhett George	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: DC conversion

- GreetingS - Maybe 25% of my locos have been converted to DC operation for various good reasons - no reverse to begin with, under-cab-roof reversing switch, burned away fingers on the relay reverser. I disconnect the field coil leads and connect them to the DC terminals of a 3 A or higher rating bridge rectifier (5 A or higher for dual-motor Diesels). The AC leads of the rectifier go to the connections where the field was connected. I connect mine so that they run forward when the right-hand-rail is positive. Don't try to run the loco on AC, however. A fun conversion on a loco with under-the-roof slide switch for reversing is to disconnect the X-ed connections on one side of the switch and wire in the bridge diode. With switch thrown one side the loco runs forward on AC. With switch thrown other side it runs on DC and gives polarity reversing. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27897	From: Tim	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] DC conversion

----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: Rhett George Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DC conversion Hi, I convert/don't convert locos on a case-by-case basis. Some run great as is after I rebuild the motors and resurface the commutators. Others run better on DC. Others still run the best on DC, but with the reverse unit energized, yet dummied out. I run a given loco over a period of time under a variety of conditions, then decided what is best for it. Usually, when I repaint and refurb a non-smoking loco, it gets the full DC treatment. Others may smoke better if converted to DC, but with the reverse unit still energized to draw down voltage, forcing the loco to run on a higher voltage, thereby giving the smoke unit more voltage. I have a couple dual motor Alcos that I swapped out the Flyer motors for can motors so they can pull a string of illuminated streamlined passenger cars with ease at about 1/3rd throttle. I have a Challenger that I think might benefit from a Timko can motor with a flywheel. There are no hard and fast rules on my layout except that there are no hard and fast rules. Whatever works, because I can. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Rhett George To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] DC conversion - GreetingS - Maybe 25% of my locos have been converted to DC operation for various good reasons - no reverse to begin with, under-cab-roof reversing switch, burned away fingers on the relay reverser. I disconnect the field coil leads and connect them to the DC terminals of a 3 A or higher rating bridge rectifier (5 A or higher for dual-motor Diesels). The AC leads of the rectifier go to the connections where the field was connected. I connect mine so that they run forward when the right-hand-rail is positive. Don't try to run the loco on AC, however. A fun conversion on a loco with under-the-roof slide switch for reversing is to disconnect the X-ed connections on one side of the switch and wire in the bridge diode. With switch thrown one side the loco runs forward on AC. With switch thrown other side it runs on DC and gives polarity reversing. CheerS, Rhett S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27898	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: SNS Baldwin conversion

Hi gang, I'm really enjoying my can motored Baldwin from SNS. Last night I was running it with a 977 caboose. The Baldwin runs with so little power from the transformer that the 977 doesn't even buzz. I highly recommend it. Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27899	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/13/2003
Subject: Re: MTH Coal Loader pulleys

For those who have been patiently waiting for one of those pulleys that will speed up your MTH 785 Coal Loader, we finally have received a new run of these, and we are reducing the price to $5.00 each, postpaid. This afternoon, we mailed out all the back-ordered pulleys we had on file. Installation is pretty simple, and full instructions (including pictures) can be accessed from The AF REPAIR CLINICS portion of our website. Pulleys are now in stock......they will approximately TRIPLE the operating speed of your unit! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27900	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: AF Work Caboose cabins needed for a project

I need two of the cabins from an AF work caboose (645 or 945) for a transfer caboose project. Operator quality only - I'm not concerned about the condition of the overhang end or roof walk chips and I don't need the brass ladder set - the project plan calls for splicing together the "blunt" ends (with cast-on ladder) only. I'd prefer the unpainted red plastic versions. Anyone know if these available from any of the surplus dealers? If you have one or two of these floating around that you'd be willing to part with - please contact me offline at dmunsey@... THNX, Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel and VGN Rwy fan trapped in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27901	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: Scotchbrite - Track Cleaning Question

I've just started cleaning some track and tried the Scotchbrite dry. It really cleans and polishes the track in no time. I've been cleaning the tops of the rails and along the inner sides of the rails. Does it do any good to clean the inner sides or am I just wasting time???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27902	From: Tim	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: Re: Scotchbrite - Track Cleaning Question

Hi, I personally am a big advocate of cleaning the inner edges of the rails 'cuz when a loco (or tender) goes around a curve, sometimes that is the only contact with the track the wheels have - especially on a 50+ year old unit where the trucks or frame might be a little sprung (which IS correctable). At any rate, it won't hurt to clean the inside edges. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Bull_Gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Scotchbrite - Track Cleaning Question I've just started cleaning some track and tried the Scotchbrite dry. It really cleans and polishes the track in no time. I've been cleaning the tops of the rails and along the inner sides of the rails. Does it do any good to clean the inner sides or am I just wasting time??? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27903	From: Bull_Gator_1	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: Roadbed Album

Hi all, I have posted some photos of my roadbed restoration project on Paul Yorke's photo gallery at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun56 I hope you enjoy the photos. If you have any questions just drop me an email. Then get out your camera and build your own album to share with the group. I'm sure Paul will be happy to help you get set up with your own album. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27904	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 16, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27905	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/14/2003
Subject: '60's

If you missed the Racing Champions late '50's - early 60's Chevys, or if you want some years that RC didn't offer, check out the Revell cars. http://www.revell-monogram.com/store/ I ordered 2 from http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/catalogmfg.asp?Mfg=RV They are very nicely scaled and detailed, and the price is right. -- Ted Larson http://caringbridge.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27906	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: Flyer Mail Pickup Post

For a little more interest I added some stairs and a platform to a Flyer mail pickup post. It is constructed of Evergreen styrene strips. There is a photo posted at http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/vwp?.dir=/The+CVL&.dnm=Flyer+Mail+Post.jpg&.src=gr&.view=t&.hires=t Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27907	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: Re: Roadbed Album

**((((I have posted some photos of my roadbed restoration project on Paul Yorke's photo gallery at: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun56 )))**** I beat ya Bull,....I just happened to have checked them out before ya posted!!! I do have a question,.....what color did you say you used? I like it better then the test piece I did with flat gray primer. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27908	From: fivechime@aol.com	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: Five Chime Horns For S-Helper Service Locomotives

The horn sound provided with the S-Helper Service F Units is a five chime horn, actually a Nathan M-5. Is anyone aware of a seller of s-scale muli-chime horn castings? Regards, Jim Evans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27909	From: mktslsf	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: K-Line S Gauge Track

Does anyone use this? If so, how do you like it and is it compatible with AF switches? I understand that K-Line doesn't make S switches. I also understand that the K-Line curves only comes in 54" radius. Regards! Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27910	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: Re: Five Chime Horns For S-Helper Service Locomotives

on 11/15/03 4:04 PM, fivechime@... at fivechime@... wrote: >Is anyone aware of a seller of s-scale muli-chime > horn castings? BTS shows a five chime horn at http://www.btsrr.com/btsdet01.htm, and it is BTS #02003. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27911	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 11/15/2003
Subject: k-line track

I've used the K-line wide radius sectional track and it works fine with AF switches and track. It does seem as if the metal is softer and dents easier. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27912	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: K-line curves

The K-line curved track works well--better than AF curves. The wider radius is a real plus in my book. The trains go though it better--less rolling resistance (particularly the passenger cars) and they look better. The only down side is that I find that the pins are a little wider than the pins on the AF track, which makes mating them a little tricky--extra force. Or you can grind them down a little with a file or your Dremmel Tool. All my K-line track is 5+ years old. I have heard that the current production uses pins that are the same size as AF pins. I cannot confirm or deny this. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27913	From: David Engle	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Re: Five Chime Horns For S-Helper Service Locomotives

Billy Wade at BTS should have some selections in brass. Also, what is the difference between a Nathan M-5 and a Nathan P-5? DJE -----Original Message----- From: fivechime@... [mailto:fivechime@...] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Five Chime Horns For S-Helper Service Locomotives The horn sound provided with the S-Helper Service F Units is a five chime horn, actually a Nathan M-5. Is anyone aware of a seller of s-scale muli-chime horn castings? Regards, Jim Evans S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27914	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Discontinuing S scale Line

Hi gang, We regretfully announce that we are discontinuing our line of S- scale Kits and detail parts. Also all future S-scale kits have been canceled. We have very few of our Spanish Style Gas Station and Cafe kits left. Once sold out, that is the last. This will unfortunatley make these kits very rare if you don't already have one. We would like to thank all who have helped to support the S-scle effort. Unfortunatley there has not been enough interest to support the advertising and production costs. We will continue to expand our other product lines. Thank you for your support, Keith http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27915	From: pinecanyonrr	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Discontinuing S-scale Product Line

Hi gang, We regretfully announce that we are discontinuing our line of S- scale Kits and detail parts. Also all future S-scale kits have been canceled. We have very few of our Spanish Style Gas Station and Cafe kits left. Once sold out, that is the last. This will unfortunatley make these kits very rare if you don't already have one. We would like to thank all who have helped to support the S-scle effort. Unfortunatley there has not been enough interest to support the production costs. We will continue to expand our other product lines. Thank you for your support, Keith http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27916	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 16, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27917	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Sound Systems for Diesels

I am writing in hopes of getting some input on sound systems for diesels. First, can anyone give a comparison of the quality of the sound systems in AM diesels vs the SHS diesels. An ideal comparison would be the AM E-8 with alternating current and sound system vs the SHS F3s or F7s with sound system.. Second, can anyone recommend a sound system to install with AM FP7s using DC power, possibly to be installed in a trailing box car or baggage car? Earl Henry, Jr. - Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27918	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Re: Sound Systems for Diesels

1st) I have the SHS F3 but no corresponding AM loco to compare it to. 2nd) I have the AM diesel sound system in an AM modern box car and really like it. Comparing them is a little like apples and bananas. The sound car has a horn I like and a nice loud roar. The SHS has a probably more realistic roar but the volume doesn't seem as loud as the AM. They both incorporate a speed threshold for the bell to actuate which I don't like. AM steamers and the GG1 sound the bell at any speed and I like that better. Bottom Line- either is good. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: <tennsgauge@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sound Systems for Diesels > I am writing in hopes of getting some input on sound systems for diesels. > > First, can anyone give a comparison of the quality of the sound systems in AM > diesels vs the SHS diesels. An ideal comparison would be the AM E-8 with > alternating current and sound system vs the SHS F3s or F7s with sound system.. > > Second, can anyone recommend a sound system to install with AM FP7s using DC > power, possibly to be installed in a trailing box car or baggage car? > > Earl Henry, Jr. - Nashville, TN > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27919	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Mail Pickup Post

Chuck; The platform is stairs is realy a great piece of work. At least thats what I think. Can you explain alittle more in the material you are using. This evergreen plastic strips you used. Was that all from that? Were are thses things usually purchased. I'm unfamilar with the strips you speak of and would like to learn more. I'm certain there has to be one other equering mind on the list that might like to learn more. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Mail Pickup Post Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:03:24 -0500 For a little more interest I added some stairs and a platform to a Flyer mail pickup post. It is constructed of Evergreen styrene strips. There is a photo posted at http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/vwp?.dir=/The+CVL&.dnm=Flyer+Mail+Post.jpg&.src=gr&.view=t&.hires=t Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27920	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: TCA Meet this weekend

Hi All, For those of us in Florida or anyone visiting the Orlando Florida area this weekend, there is a TCA meet scheduled in Maitland on 11/22 and 11/23. TCA members admitted at 9:30, general public 11:00 AM on Sat. and 10:00 AM on Sunday. Location: Maitland Civic Center (directions below) 641 S. Maitland Ave., Maitland FL 407-647-2111 Hotel Accommodations: Hilton Homewood Suites near the Civic Center. Those of us attending on Sat. are meeting for lunch at 12:00 at the Civic Center. Most of us won't know each other so I am going to wear my ID (afb324) on the back of my American flyer denim shirt. Please join us if you can. It'll be fun and we can clean the meet out of AF stuff. ...Barb DIRECTIONS: Route I 4 goes through Orlando from either the East or West coast of Florida. Take Exit 90A off I 4 and head West on Maitland Blvd. At Maitland Ave., turn right. The Civic Center is on the right shortly after the library. If you get to Lee Rd., you've gone too far. Have a safe trip.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27921	From: TCS	Date: 11/16/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

774 GTW 50' berwick boxcar. (5-90) 775 GTW 60' ACF rebuilt hi-cube boxcar. (11-90) 776 GTW 50' PS rebuilt hi-cube boxcar. (9-92) 777 GTW 60' PS rebuilt hi-cube boxcar. (11-90) Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27922	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: K-Line S-Gauge track

Doug, Our club had purchased new K-Line track for the races at S-Fest. 3' sections. One section was shorted through the ties so bad it kept blowing the breaker. After removal of that section, you could watch sparks dancing through the tie of another section. Not enough to short, but a miniature light show. It appears the crimping machine was set too tight and pierced the paper insulators. Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27923	From: Gale Hall	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Blantant ad

Morning all, I have three of the new AM triple hoppers, Reading, with the Blue coal logo #'s 40326, 28 & 31, will pass on the same deal as was available at the S Fest 3 for $100 Hi rail Wheels and couplers. allow $5 postage and I will cover balance and insurance. Cars are very nice with wire grab irons. Thanks Gale Hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27924	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer Mail Pickup Post

Platform = Evergreen #2100 V grooved scribed sheet stock Stairs = Evergreen #205 S Scale Stairway kit (or use strips of approx. .16"x.03") Railings = Evergreen #8608 strips of .066"x.090". (Actually .066" square is better scale but I wanted them more rugged.) Glued together with Ambroid Pro Weld (a styrene solvent) Since taking the photo I have painted it a tan color with a black wash to look about the color of new pressure treated lumber. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wight" <blueearthbob@...> To: <cesmith@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Mail Pickup Post > Chuck; > The platform is stairs is realy a great piece of work. At least > thats what I think. Can you explain alittle more in the material you are > using. This evergreen plastic strips you used. Was that all from that? Were > are thses things usually purchased. I'm unfamilar with the strips you speak > of and would like to learn more. I'm certain there has to be one other > equering mind on the list that might like to learn more. > > > > Yours in Model Railroading > Bob Wight > Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains > http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Mail Pickup Post > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:03:24 -0500 > > For a little more interest I added some stairs and a platform to a Flyer > mail pickup post. It is constructed of Evergreen styrene strips. There is a > photo posted at > http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/s-trains/vwp?.dir=/The+CVL&.dnm=Flyer+Mail+Post.jpg&.src=gr&.view=t&.hires=t > Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines > "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and > remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) > See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus > scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27925	From: rebendever	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Heads Up! -Blatant Reminder Advertisement

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 27926	From: fivechime@aol.com	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: AC vs DC on early AF Steam Locos

In reading my K-Line AF instruction book, I noticed that reference was made to the early steam locomotives being AC or DC compatable. Does that mean these locomotives can operate on a DC system using something like an HO transformer? Seems like a basic question but I guess the answer passed me by in the past. Regards, Jim Evans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27927	From: wintermutedm	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Free filming!

As part of our company's attempt to be more caring about its employees, they are putting together a movie about our hobbies, etc. When they asked me, I of course brought up my American Flyer layout. So tomorrow, I actually get to bring in some trains, set them up, and have professionals (from the advertising industry) film it! I am thinking of bringing in the talking station, the sawmill, an oval of pikemaster track (its all i have extra of, at the moment!) and some cars. Definitely want a smoking engine, so my little old 292 (only smoker I have working) is coming. Also want my action caboose, rocket launcher, and mail pickup car. I thin I will also bring in my incomplete streamliner set: the 360/364 combo with the aluminum 662 and 663. One quick question (I'll try it out tonight at any rate): will the 360/364 run ok on Pikemaster track? If it wont, I will bring in the frontiersman set instead.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27928	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Re: AC vs DC on early AF Steam Locos

Yes, BUT: If they are wound field coil motors they will run on AC or DC, tho the reversing units sometimes tend to hang up on DC. They also like more than the 12 volts a typical DC powerpack delivers. A flyer transformer with a full wave rectifier on the output is a better DC source. If they are a DC version with a permanent magnet in place of the field winding they will run on DC only, not on AC. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: <fivechime@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AC vs DC on early AF Steam Locos > In reading my K-Line AF instruction book, I noticed that reference was made to the early steam locomotives being AC or DC compatable. Does that mean these locomotives can operate on a DC system using something like an HO transformer? > > Seems like a basic question but I guess the answer passed me by in the past. > > Regards, Jim Evans > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27929	From: David	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Re: Free filming!

Take the Frontiersman Set, the Alco's will not run correctly on Pike track. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wintermutedm" <dmerritt@y...> wrote: > As part of our company's attempt to be more caring about its > employees, they are putting together a movie about our hobbies, etc. > When they asked me, I of course brought up my American Flyer layout. > So tomorrow, I actually get to bring in some trains, set them up, and > have professionals (from the advertising industry) film it! > > I am thinking of bringing in the talking station, the sawmill, an > oval of pikemaster track (its all i have extra of, at the moment!) > and some cars. Definitely want a smoking engine, so my little old > 292 (only smoker I have working) is coming. Also want my action > caboose, rocket launcher, and mail pickup car. I thin I will also > bring in my incomplete streamliner set: the 360/364 combo with the > aluminum 662 and 663. > > One quick question (I'll try it out tonight at any rate): will the > 360/364 run ok on Pikemaster track? If it wont, I will bring in the > frontiersman set instead.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27930	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Re: Free filming!

My 360/364 runs on Pikemaster track just fine. In fact, pretty much all the Gilbert stuff does except the 336! wintermutedm wrote: >One quick question (I'll try it out tonight at any rate): will the >360/364 run ok on Pikemaster track? If it wont, I will bring in the >frontiersman set instead. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27931	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/17/2003
Subject: Diesel power trucks.

We at SnS Trains are still looking for some American Flyer Diesel power trucks from AC Gilbert or the other folks of unmentionable silliness. The can be in any condition. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27932	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Fwd: More REA Trucks

Here's some vehicle kit-bashing fodder. The front ends of the late '40's pickups from Racing Champions can be used as the basis for an REA truck. For a larger REA truck, use the Hartoy late '40's Ford. It has larger fenders, wheels, and tires than do the lighter trucks. > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:25:34 -0500 > From: Mike Shea <MikeShea@ > To: "Larson, Ted" <mhrreast@ > Subject: More REA Trucks > > Just found another old REA truck at > http://www.neonclock.org/Pages/Members/DaveW/Michigan2002/Day8/Day8_06.htm. > > This one has chrome bumpers and lacks the protective grillwork > in front of the radiator. > > Also checkout http://www.badgoat.net/OHTM_99_truck.htm - the same > two calendar trucks seemed to have made another joint appearance. > Scroll down to see them. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27933	From: mxstav	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: EMD F-7

What are the pro's & con's of the American Models F-7 vs. the S- Helper F-7? Is one more accurately detailed than the other? Does one run better than the other? Thanks, Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27934	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Toy's for Tots

Hi Folks Just a note to let you all know that the NASG Switching layout will be set up on Thursday- Sunday from Nov. 28th - Dec 20th at Toy's for Tots in Bethlehem, Pa. In the File section I up loaded the flyer for this show. There will be ten layouts of different scales setup and running. So if your in the area on any of these dates stop by and Join with Train Time and the U.S. Marines in this effort. Manufacturers if you have any literature please send me some at John Foley 164 W. Railroad St. Pottsville, Pa. 17901 I have this show and others in the works. P.S they ask for a $5.00 donation or a new unwrapped toy. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27935	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2070

I highly recommend switching to DC. There may be a tendency for solenoids (as in reverse units) to stick if they are not well maintained because they do not have the AC vibration to Jiggle them. On the other hand, you can get away from the annoying solenoid buzz. DC really pays off when you install a bridge rectifier on the field and bypass the reverse unit. Then you can change directions just like the DC guys. Chuck Smith is correct that many HO DC power packs do not have enough punch for Flyer engines. You need a power pack that will put out about 2 A for steam locomotives and more for the typical dual-motor diesel. I have run my AF Atlantic on an MRC 2500 power pack without problems, but I have had the MRC stop working when I ran it too long. The thermal overload protection device shut off the power pack when it got too hot. After the MRC cooled, everything was fine. Using a Flyer transformer with a bridge rectifier on the output to produce DC is the best option and quite inexpensive if you already have the Flyer transformer. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee >Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:36:24 -0500 > From: fivechime@... >Subject: AC vs DC on early AF Steam Locos > >In reading my K-Line AF instruction book, I noticed that reference was made to the early steam locomotives being AC or DC compatable. Does that mean these locomotives can operate on a DC system using something like an HO transformer? > >Seems like a basic question but I guess the answer passed me by in the past. > >Regards, Jim Evans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27936	From: doug	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S track

ORIGINAL MESSAGE----- <<<Does anyone use this? If so, how do you like it and is it compatible with AF switches? I understand that K-Line doesn't make S switches. I also understand that the K-Line curves only comes in 54" radius. >>> K-Line's original S track was not too satisfactory. My biggest criticism of it was sharp edges. I believe they retooled it some time ago, and the current production is improved. We have begun to sell more and more of it. Presently have all in stock....10" straights, 40" straights, and 54" curves....as well as rubber roadbed to go with it. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27937	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2070

The major reason I stick with AC for most engines is to allow me to operate with AM and Ott sound systems Also, as noted below, a used 75Watt Flyer transformer is one of the cheapest power supplies around with output going thru a rectifier and polarity reversing switch mounted in a Radio Shack project box. . Chuck Smith http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance McCold" <lancemccold@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2070 > I highly recommend switching to DC. There may be a tendency for solenoids (as in reverse units) to stick if they are not well maintained because they do not have the AC vibration to Jiggle them. On the other hand, you can get away from the annoying solenoid buzz. > > DC really pays off when you install a bridge rectifier on the field and bypass the reverse unit. Then you can change directions just like the DC guys. Chuck Smith is correct that many HO DC power packs do not have enough punch for Flyer engines. You need a power pack that will put out about 2 A for steam locomotives and more for the typical dual-motor diesel. I have run my AF Atlantic on an MRC 2500 power pack without problems, but I have had the MRC stop working when I ran it too long. The thermal overload protection device shut off the power pack when it got too hot. After the MRC cooled, everything was fine. Using a Flyer transformer with a bridge rectifier on the output to produce DC is the best option and quite inexpensive if you already have the Flyer transformer. > > Lance McCold > Knoxville, Tennessee > > > > >Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:36:24 -0500 > > From: fivechime@... > >Subject: AC vs DC on early AF Steam Locos > > > >In reading my K-Line AF instruction book, I noticed that reference was made to the early steam locomotives being AC or DC compatable. Does that mean these locomotives can operate on a DC system using something like an HO transformer? > > > >Seems like a basic question but I guess the answer passed me by in the past. > > > >Regards, Jim Evans > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27938	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: [Fwd: [S-Trains] TCA Meet this weekend]

Hi All, It appears I have an incorrect statement in my directions for this weekend. When exiting I 4 at 90A you should turn East. No matter which way you turn, it isn't far to Maitland Ave., so you'll know if you made a wrong turn off the exit. Hope to see many of you Sat. ...Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27939	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: DC vs. AC (was digest 2070

It certainly can be an advantage to get rid of reverse units and control train direction with DC, adding a bridge rectifier to each loco. However, there are some disadvantages too. It is much more complicated to wire a complex DC layout. With an AC common rail or "base post"system, all zone separations can be accomplished by gapping one rail. Flyer switches with their train stopping track power control, are easy to use. With DC, since different sections have reversed polarity at times as trains are reversed, zone separations must be created by gapping both rails to avoid shorts through the track. And reverse loops are more complicated to wire too. If you just are running a few independent loops this is no big deal, but if you have interconnected loops and routes, complex yard trackage, zones that may be assigned to more than one power source and stuff like that, as i often do, it makes a big difference. Also, an AC common rail system offers vastly better power distribution throughout a layout compared to a segmented DC system, since all track segments and all power sources in the AC common rai system have one pole interconnected. Power distribution is important when running old toy trains. It is possible to create a DC common rail system, but a center tap DC power source is required and these are not commonly available. Train stopping accessories and action cars are also more difficult to wire in correctly. And the sound systems are mostly designed for AC at this point. I prefer to keep my reverse units in good shape and operate on AC. In fact, I enjoy trying to develop my skill at running them. They are cranky individual machines. Some cycle better at low voltages, and some at higher voltages. It is an enjoyable challenge to master the eccentricities of each one. That is MY eccentricity! Now, I don't claim that one method is inherrently better than the other. Not at all. The truth is, that AC is a better choice for some of us, and DC is a better choice for others. The trick is to make the correct choice for your situation. Someone like Chris Burger runs layouts that are display oriented and feature separate loops. The failure or inefficiency of a reverse unit, possibly in public, is a bigger deal for him than for me. So DC is a better choice for him. And that is what he chose, I believe. I run old trains on large complex floor layouts in which all track is interconnected. Therefore, the simpler wiring is a big advantage for me, as is the improved power distribution. I can't have feeder wires every few feet the way someone with a permanent layout can. And I use the power switching capacity of the turnouts to avoid even more wires. So AC is a better choice for me. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27940	From: AF336	Date: 11/18/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S track

Doug, do you have 40" straight rubber roadbed? -----Original Message----- From: doug [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] K-Line S track Presently have all in stock....10" straights, 40" straights, and 54" curves....as well as rubber roadbed to go with it. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27941	From: steamromance	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: EBAY Price Check?

Friends, I am thinking of adding some America Flyer to my fathers collection which I have hanging on my room wall since I was born. I was originally thinking of the new B&O set, however I thought this looked interesting. Thoughts on value? Thanks a lot guys! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3156474037&category=480 Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27942	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Part number help

I need to order a few parts for the UP Pony Express set reissued by Lionel. Can anyone tell me what the product number is? I've searched everywhere and can't find anything. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27943	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: S Friendy Campaign

The S Friendly Hobby Shop website has been brought up to date with the additions of phone numbers and website links. We've had some responses from the ad in Model Retailer and have added them to the site. It's at www.s-scaletrains.com/sfriendly Feel free to add links to that site and also www.s- scaletrains.com/sbuyer It you need help for that, just get in touch. I hope you'll all go to your local hobby dealer and help our cause by asking them for S trains and please let us know of any new updates to the list. Thanks for all the help. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27944	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: SHS Freight Cars for Sale

I have the following excess freight cars to sell: #00286 2 bay covered hopper PS2 - M&StL#1 NASG 99 conv. car $34.95 #00404 3 bay covered hopper PS2 - NYC#2 (have 2) $34.95 #00057 stock car Great Northern 53083 $34.95 #00138 stock car Missouri Pacific 154092 $34.95 #00166 bulkhead flatcar Wabash with Gold Bond load $44.95 #00686 reefer Northern Pacific #1 $39.95 Freight is $6 for 1-4 cars, or free for 5 or more cars. Earl Henry, Jr. 615/352-1181 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27945	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Re: S Friendy Campaign

Roy, On your MD list, Burrett Hobbies is no longer in College Park, MD, but moved to Mt. Airy, MD and they didn't have any S products when I visited them this past summer. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Hoffman" <rhoffman@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Friendy Campaign > The S Friendly Hobby Shop website has been brought up to date with > the additions of phone numbers and website links. We've had some > responses from the ad in Model Retailer and have added them to the > site. > It's at www.s-scaletrains.com/sfriendly > Feel free to add links to that site and also www.s- > scaletrains.com/sbuyer > It you need help for that, just get in touch. > > I hope you'll all go to your local hobby dealer and help our cause by > asking them for S trains and please let us know of any new updates to > the list. Thanks for all the help. > > Roy > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27946	From: stanley	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Re: Part number help

Hi you might want to try Hobby Surplus they have parts for both the old flyer and the new flyer by lionel they have a phone # 1-800-233-0872, or you can e mail them www.hobbysurplus.com or try Ron Leventon all i have is a phone # 360-748-3643, he is located in Washington State, and also try doug peck of port lines www.portlines.com good luck hope you find what you are looking for Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Part number help > I need to order a few parts for the UP Pony Express set reissued by Lionel. Can anyone tell me what the product number is? I've searched everywhere and can't find anything. > > Gene > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27947	From: doug	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line roadbed

----ORIGINAL MESSAGE>>>>>> Doug, do you have 40" straight rubber roadbed? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO, IT ISN'T MADE. YOU USE FOUR 10" STRAIGHT SECTIONS. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27948	From: AF336	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Really nice set on ebay

Don't get much nicer than this one. Wish I had the cash to have bid. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3156021315&category=480

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27949	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Re: EBAY Price Check?

Well, the starting bid was 50.00 and it is now up to 799.00 so that should give you a hint! It is a beautiful set and appears to be in original condition. But when you get up to that price level, IMHO you need to be asking yourself, first, will the psychic (and other) rewards I get from owning this set be worth $800 to me and, second, do I have faith that the market for collectible toy trains will keep going up so that I can sell it for more than $800 if I ever need or want to? For me, the answer to both questions is "no". But you have to ask yourself those questions. Nobody else can answer them for you. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "steamromance" <JHL1963@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY Price Check? > Friends, I am thinking of adding some America Flyer to my fathers > collection which I have hanging on my room wall since I was born. I > was originally thinking of the new B&O set, however I thought this > looked interesting. Thoughts on value? Thanks a lot guys! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3156474037&category=480 > > Jordan > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27950	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/19/2003
Subject: Ebay price check?

Jordan: I would go to myflyertrains.org . Chuck Harrington has most of the old Flyer catalogs posted there. Read through them. American Flyer enthusiasts have varied tastes. Some like the link coupler era, with more tinplate and toyish qualities. Some like the '55 to '59 era, which featured more plastic rolling stock with a greater variety of colorful paing schemes. Some like pikemaster. Some like the newer LTI AM and SHS production. Some like to have onlyu a few perfect rare pieces, and some like less perfect stock for operating as well as collecting. See what appeals to you the most, and goes with what you already have the best, and take it from there. Develop your tastes a little before you spend the $. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27951	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line S track

From: "doug" Presently have all in stock....10" straights, 40" straights, and 54" curves.... Their former straights were only available in 36" lengths, which created a problem when trying to fit in layouts that were based on 10" flyer straights. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27952	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: Re: EBAY Price Check?

The link below gives me an input error. Anyone have another link as I would like to view this item. Thanks,John. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "steamromance" <JHL1963@H...> wrote: > Friends, I am thinking of adding some America Flyer to my fathers > collection which I have hanging on my room wall since I was born. I > was originally thinking of the new B&O set, however I thought this > looked interesting. Thoughts on value? Thanks a lot guys! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3156474037&category=480 > > Jordan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27953	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: Re: Really nice set on ebay

Thoughts about the final price? I would be interested in knowing if this was reasonable and if so, Why? I know something is only worth what another is willing to pay but it seems that, imho, some items go for less than what they were and others are going for more than what they were. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "AF336" <AF336@h...> wrote: > Don't get much nicer than this one. Wish I had the cash to have bid. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3156021315&category=480

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27954	From: Tim	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: AC/DC myth buster

Hi, I wish to state that we absolutely can have a common base post rail system with DC track voltage on a home layout. In fact, it's recommended for good current flow and is exactly the same as a common base post rail system on an AC voltage home layout. I know it seems to defy logic and I don't know the technical reasons why it works, but it works. There are no shorts, even though polarity is reversed in blocks where only the variable post rail is broken. There is no need for any special wiring other than what one would do for an AC common base post rail system. The only cases in DC where the common rail is broken is in a reverse loop, reverse section or wye, where both rails must be broken. The wiring for a DC reverse loop (or it's variations) is a little more complicated than for an AC reverse loop, but the use of the Atlas selector switch simplifies it. Block control for DC on a home layout can be a slightly different concept than block control for AC on a home layout. On an AC block control system, guys often use a more powerful transformer and run multiple trains on a mainline on multiple blocks off that transformer. In a DC cab control system on a home layout, one smaller transformer can be dedicated to each loco, with multiple blocks on a mainline controlled by that transformer. Multiple locos generally aren't run off the same transformer - especially if a reverse loop is used. Going through a DC reverse loop will cause the operator to reverse polarity not only on the section of track inside the reverse loop, but on the rest of the mainline as well. That would cause any other loco on that mainline to be thrust into reverse. The solution is to only have one loco running on one mainline at a time, or having other locos parked in sidings or stubs, waiting - hence there is no need for a transformer delivering more than 75-100 watts, although it would do no harm. The variable post rail is broken for block control in AC the same as it is for DC cab control. I urge anyone interested in learning about DC wiring for a home layout to buy one of the many fine books on HO wiring available at your local hobby store. The same rules apply to S as to HO for home layout wiring with DC voltage (at a slightly lower voltage for HO locos). Please notice that I have made reference to DC on a HOME layout. I'm not versed in how a club or other large layout would be best served. Maybe someone else with experience in that league could share information. Hope this inspires, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27955	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: American Flyer in the movies....

Soooo....I'm watching the movie, "A Murder of Crows", (Cuba Gooding Jr.) which I've seen several times,....but I saw a very short scene with a train set, (which I don't remember seeing before!)....it was two rail, I thought it may be HO,...but one of the accessories looked like a A.C. Gilbert billboard. The scene was very quick! It could have been Flyer! The passenger coaches may have been silver w/red stripe Flyer coaches. This may have been brought up here on the list before. Anyone recall seeing this movie?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27956	From: AF336	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: Re: EBAY Price Check?

With the text wrap that occurs in yahoo.groups the easiest way to capture an ebay link is to go to any ebay item and the delete everything from the item number on and paste in the desired item number. The item number you need for viewing is: 3156474037 Look for: ViewItem&item= and then paste the 10 digit item number with nothing following. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: EBAY Price Check? > The link below gives me an input error. Anyone have another link as I > would like to view this item. Thanks,John. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "steamromance" <JHL1963@H...> wrote: > > Friends, I am thinking of adding some America Flyer to my fathers > > collection which I have hanging on my room wall since I was born. I > > was originally thinking of the new B&O set, however I thought this > > looked interesting. Thoughts on value? Thanks a lot guys! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&item=3156474037&category=480 > > > > Jordan > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27957	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2071

Jorden: I believe that the B & O set has a double wound field coil that requires a special reversing unit that is long out of production. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27958	From: TCS	Date: 11/20/2003
Subject: new group on yahoo

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Licen/ This group is for discussions associated with the licensing by real railroads of manufacturers making models of railroad equipment. All other topics are not to be discussed on this group. I found this today, this is a very interesting group to join. Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals www.oddballsdecals.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27959	From: Tim	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: Track bending myth-buster

Hi, It's so easy to rebend vintage Flyer track, that it's a shame not to if we need to. All I do is open up the tie tabs with a small flat-blade screw driver and re-bend the rails gently with my fingers and hands to the desired new radius. I usually keep a piece of K-line wide radius curve on hand to use as a template, or I re-bend to what-ever radius I need for that sweeping curve or odd track section to join tracks. After the rails are re-bent, I crimp the tie tabs back down hard with a pair of pliers, then trim the long rail off with my Dremel tool. One caveat; be careful not to get the rails out of gauge when re-bending. I've even found that I can usually use a piece of regular curved roadbed with the re-bent track. It stretches enough to work if the re-bent track doesn't go beyond a 27" radius. Keep in mind that the vintage curved track sections are not as long as the K-line curved sections, so there isn't all that much difference on the arc over the 10" length. Vintage track re-bent to a broader radius sure does make a nicer broad, sweeping curve than chopping up a curve with 1/2 sections of straight track, IMHO. On the other hand, for those guys who love the challenge of making a nice-looking pike with stock-issue sectional track, that's cool, too! Hope this inspires, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27960	From: doug	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: Re: K-Line track

I did some checking today, and I found my last posting about K-Line track was incorrect. The shipment of long straight track which I just received from K-Line (last week) is NOT 40' lengths...they are still 36" lengths. And to further confuse the issue, their website states 30" lengths !!!! Also, for those who've asked, this track does not fit into the regular 10" straight rubber roadbed unless you move the metal ties on the rails. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27961	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: RECTIFIER BUYER

Will the person that bought the 2 rectifiers from me a couple of weeks ago please contact me off list. Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27962	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 23, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27963	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: Train on Homepage

On my MSN homepage, there is an ad for Discover Card. It is an overview of a toy train on a TWO rail track, with three cars. You can see a wire going to a transformer. The track looks like S Helper track, but I don't think it is, as the ties have more detail to them. Then there is an area on the homepage to run the train, as it smokes, and there is a control button to make the train faster or slower and to make it toot. I can't tell if this is a computer graphic or the real thing, as hopefully it would be a S scale train. O:)! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27964	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/21/2003
Subject: Re: Train on Homepage

**(((I can't tell if this is a computer graphic or the real thing, as hopefully it would be a S scale train. )))*** Looks computer to me......doesn't stay very long! I did get to toot the horn though! I closed the page and opened it again,...no train!! Darn!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27965	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Matchbox Construction

Here is a fairly reliable method for checking the scale of vehicles. In general, autos and pickups are 6 feet +/- 6 inches wide. In general, larger trucks are 8 feet wide. The width of construction equipment varies much more, I would guess typically from 6 to 10 feet wide. 6 feet in S is 18/16 inches, or 1-1/8 inch; S scale is 3/16 inch per foot. --- In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "usra33770" <LocoWorksJB@a...> wrote: > I just picked up a Matchbox construction 5 pack, consisting of a > dozer, mixer, small dump truck, front end loader and large dump > truck, set number 060032. Does anybody know what scale these are > (they look close to S)? Does the set have any value (I paid $10)? > > Thanks, > > John Bell -- Ted Larson http://caringbridge.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27966	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: EBAY Price Check?

"AF336" wrote > With the text wrap that occurs in yahoo.groups Yahoo groups is not doing the text wrap; the sender's email program is. Most email programs have an option for controlling where this wrap occurs. Yahoo mail in options/general preferences/"screen width when composing" can be set up to 99 characters before including a long link. Outlook Express in tools/options/send/plain text settings/"automatically wrap text after x characters". It is true that all the extraneous parameters may be removed following the item number so that the link is as short as possible. The supplied link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewItem&item=3156474037&category=480 Could have been shortened to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewItem&item=3156474037 And the easiest and most foolproof way to include a link is to go to the address field in your browser, left click on the address to select the whole thing, then right click and select copy from the context menu, Then return to the email that's being composed, left click at the spot where you want the link to follow, hit enter to start a new line, right click and select paste. The http:// is important to include when supplying links, because most email programs use this to automatically make the link "clickable". --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27967	From: TCS	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: reminder of new url - Oddballs Decals web site

new home page url: http://www.oddballsdecals.org/ old home page url: http://members.tripod.com/mopac1/oddballs.htm This one will expire sometime in Jan 2004!! new url page 2: http://mopac1.tripod.com/oddballs3.htm old url page 2: http://members.tripod.com/mopac1/oddballs3.htm This one will expire sometime in Jan 2004!! Seems like tripod forgot to send me a email that my url has change, I discovered this last night, so this morning I had to change some of the text in the url. So please update your bookmarks, as the old ones will expire sometime in Jan 2004! Tom Stolte Oddballs Decals www.oddballsdecals.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27968	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: track cleaning

Hi, I use a track cleaning car made by centerline products, the one with the brass roller and handi wipe soaked with goo gone. Works great, the trains run flawlessly, but I notice a film buildup on the rails. Some of my HO friends say they use VCR head cleaner and the rails are bright and shine and cleaning. I am concerned about the plastic wheels on AF cars. Any experience using VCR cleaner? Thanks in advance. Wayne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27969	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Registering with ebay again

I terminated my registration with ebay several years ago for a reason I can't remember. Now I want to re-register to look for AF things, but ebay denies me because I left them. I have the same email address I had before, so I tried a different email address, but it still denied me. Is there a workaround to this? Peter Ervin Cumberland, Maryland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27970	From: Tim	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Track laying myth-buster

Hi, Over the past several years, guys have remarked about the need to run feeder wires every 3-6 track sections on their layouts when they use vintage Flyer track. I'd like to suggest that if you find this necessary, maybe you need to take a little more care in laying the 50+ year old vintage track. In the world of electrical conductivity, steel is pretty good - not the best - but pretty good. Here's what I have found that helps the track conduct current better. Test the track pins on each section of track with a pair of pliers. If the track pin pulls out easily, it's too loose to conduct electricity well. The track pin can be re-dimpled by laying it on a very hard surface - such as the anvil on a bench vice and using a cold chisel and hammer on the very edge in a couple places. Those new dimples or bulges should make the track pin fit tightly. I would then shine it with sandpaper and even apply a little electrical conductivity paste before tapping it back in to the track section. After it's back it, flare it out at about a 1/2 degree angle so that when two sections are mated, they "lock" in place. A little conductive paste here on the track pins may help as well (being careful to wipe off any excess). Tap the other ends of the rails with the flat side of a pair of pliers or tack hammer to make sure the rail ends are butted and in proper alignment before tacking the track section down. I sometimes lightly file the rail joint down a bit to make it smooth (being sure to pick up all the filings so they don't find their way into the loco motors). Taking these steps should help reduce or eliminate the need for extra feeder wires unless the layout is very large. Also, keep in mind that when using the unique properties of Flyer switches for dead blocks, a feeder wire to that section defeats it. Hope this inspires, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27971	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: Track laying myth-buster

i us a "self-striking" center punch to tighten pins, it makes the job quite easy, You do have to solidly supportr the rail, and I use the top edge of my open vice jaws to do that. S' David D. pS, no word on the job, yet, but found out I was #1 chioce by the first interview group (I am not really supposed to know this!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27972	From: rkuepper	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Station light project

I posted some photos of my first attempt to make lights for under my elevated Union Station. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun00?&page=3 Hope you enjoy. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27973	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: S scale - Like AF

Yup, "S scale - Like AF"; that's how these items are labeled on eBay. What's that mean? Just for the heck of it, I looked. They are craftsman kits from various mfrs. Starting prices are low. Have at 'em. I found MANY more vehicles listed under 1/64 scale than I found under S scale. Here's a low cost semi; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3566777156&category=19061 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3567881647&category=36501 Nice set of cars; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3567299870&category=758 -- Ted Larson If something I said can be interpreted two ways, and one of the ways makes you annoyed or angry, I meant the other one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27974	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: American Flyer HO

Does anyone know if there is a book or price guide that lists all the Flyer Ho in it.I have gotten a few peices and want to see what was made. Thanks Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27975	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Mel Neilsen

Has anyone talked to Mel Neilsen about Hiawathwas lately? What is the best way to contact him? Got a phone number or email? ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27976	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: track cleaning

The VCR cleaner is in a plastic case. You put the fluid in this case on a cotton ball and it does not hurt the plastic. Thank you Larry jackman On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 10:39 AM, Wayne Zebron wrote: > Hi, > I use a track cleaning car made by centerline products, the one with > the brass roller and handi wipe soaked with goo gone. Works great, the > trains run flawlessly, but I notice a film buildup on the rails. > Some of my HO friends say they use VCR head cleaner and the rails are > bright and shine and cleaning. I am concerned about the plastic > wheels on AF cars. Any experience using VCR cleaner? Thanks in > advance. > > > Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27977	From: theheadliner	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: Registering with ebay again

Peter, Clear your cookies. Once you have a cookie with eBay, it always remembers your old settings. Use your browser settings under (tools) (internet options) (delete cookies) if your are using IE, otherwise you are on your own. If you know your way around a computer, you can manually delete them. Jerry Hiett Registering with ebay again I terminated my registration with ebay several years ago for a reason I can't remember. Now I want to re-register to look for AF things, but ebay denies me because I left them. I have the same email address I had before, so I tried a different email address, but it still denied me. Is there a <br>workaround to this? Peter Ervin _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27978	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: American Flyer HO

Bob, My copy of O'Briens Collecting Toy Trains has American Flyer HO listings. Jim Hannawald ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO > Does anyone know if there is a book or price guide that lists all the > Flyer Ho in it.I have gotten a few peices and want to see what was > made. Thanks Bob Persing > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27979	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: CTT

Well fellows, the new issue of Classic Three-rail Trains came today. As expected, the only "S" was in the ads jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27980	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: CTT

**(((Well fellows, the new issue of Classic Three-rail Trains came today. As expected, the only "S" was in the ads))*** Oh well,..maybe NEXT month!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27981	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: CTT

Rick, You sound like a Cub's fan. Hmm, maybe us S guys have something in common there. . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27982	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: CTT OLDER ISSUE. MEDFORD SHOWS NEXT WEEKEND

Hi Anyone have the older issue (maybe this year) that has the article on a rare signal by Gilbert? Anyone know it's (the signal) # or other info. Hey Dewey will be rolling through Dunsmuir early in the AM this Sunday. Will be looking at a house in Medford & going to the after Bird"day Train show at the Medford, Ore. Armory (SAT & SUN) MIKE Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27983	From: Tim	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: CTT

I canceled my subscription to CTT. I can read what little there ever is about Flyer at the bookstore for free. The bookstore even provides nice, comfortable seats. If CTT doesn't patronize us, why should we patronize them. The money I'll save on the CTT subscription will more than pay for my NASG dues. Somebody had to say it! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: STrains Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CTT **(((Well fellows, the new issue of Classic Three-rail Trains came today. As expected, the only "S" was in the ads))*** Oh well,..maybe NEXT month!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27984	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: CTT OLDER ISSUE.

***(((Hi Anyone have the older issue (maybe this year) that has the article on a rare signal by Gilbert? Anyone know it's (the signal) # or other info.))*** I'll see if I can find it for you Mike. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27985	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/22/2003
Subject: Re: CTT

**((( If CTT doesn't patronize us, why should we patronize them.)))** Yeah I know Tim,....very little "S"...But they do show new "S" products, (SHS etc.)......I do like to save the "O" Christmas layout articles they do....always good for ideas for REAL toy train layouts (as in "S") wink-wink-nudge-nudge! I cut out all S and Flyer articles and throw 'em in binder,....what a stack of CTT's I have to get rid of now!! I just renewed my S_Gaugian,...I had let it expire! Oops!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27986	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Set Box Madness On eBay!

Hello All, Set box madness has hit eBay again. Take a look at auction #3157467242!!! Unbelievable!!! Anyone care to comment??? Robert Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27987	From: Alex Sibbald	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: ebay practices

Hi all, I recently had two less than stellar experiences buying switches on ebay and I am seeking information concerning protocol. The first experience was a set of 720a switches that arrived with different terminals than in the picture on ebay. They were not turret terminals. The seller apologized for the error and said to return them which I did and he sent the proper set of switches in return. However I incurred an additional shipping cost of over $10 with insurance. Is it not the responsibility of the seller who shipped the wrong items to reimburse the shipping costs? In another auction for another set of 720a switches one turret stud had been replaced with one with a different thread and the knurled nut doesn't screw down. The stud has to be held in with a nut on top of the switch which looks like crap. This was also not per picture or description. The seller wants me to pay for shipping it back and he says that he will replace it with a good one and pay for return shipping only. Is this normal for the buyer to pay extra to get what he bargained for in good faith just because the seller screwed up? If anyone wants the ebay names of these losers or has a similar list of ebay losers to share please contact me off list. Alex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27988	From: Donald Munsey Jr.	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: AF Handcar - surplus

I have a hand car in good, operator, running condition - missing one hand "nib" - has 2 repro lanterns. $30 postpaid and it's yours - interested? - contact me offline at dmunsey@... THNX, Don Munsey, Jr. Sn42 Rebel and VGN Rwy fan trapped in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27989	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: Set Box Madness On eBay!

In Minnesota we had and Expression that says it all. UFFDA!!! Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Robert M. Johnson, Jr." <robt.john@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Set Box Madness On eBay! Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 09:26:32 -0000 Hello All, Set box madness has hit eBay again. Take a look at auction #3157467242!!! Unbelievable!!! Anyone care to comment??? Robert Johnson S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Has one of the new viruses infected your computer? Find out with a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27990	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: Track laying myth-buster

I have a traditional Flyer track layout. I used rubber road bed for part of it and find that some of the road bed will not allow the rails to be butted against each other. I have had to trim some of the road bed. Have you a better solution? Clifford Manning Topeka, Ks Tim wrote: > Hi, > > Over the past several years, guys have remarked about the need to run feeder wires every 3-6 track sections on their layouts when they use vintage Flyer track. I'd like to suggest that if you find this necessary, maybe you need to take a little more care in laying the 50+ year old vintage track. In the world of electrical conductivity, steel is pretty good - not the best - but pretty good. Here's what I have found that helps the track conduct current better. Test the track pins on each section of track with a pair of pliers. If the track pin pulls out easily, it's too loose to conduct electricity well. The track pin can be re-dimpled by laying it on a very hard surface - such as the anvil on a bench vice and using a cold chisel and hammer on the very edge in a couple places. Those new dimples or bulges should make the track pin fit tightly. I would then shine it with sandpaper and even apply a little electrical conductivity paste before tapping it back in to the track > section. After it's back it, flare it out at about a 1/2 degree angle so that when two sections are mated, they "lock" in place. A little conductive paste here on the track pins may help as well (being careful to wipe off any excess). Tap the other ends of the rails with the flat side of a pair of pliers or tack hammer to make sure the rail ends are butted and in proper alignment before tacking the track section down. I sometimes lightly file the rail joint down a bit to make it smooth (being sure to pick up all the filings so they don't find their way into the loco motors). Taking these steps should help reduce or eliminate the need for extra feeder wires unless the layout is very large. Also, keep in mind that when using the unique properties of Flyer switches for dead blocks, a feeder wire to that section defeats it. > > Hope this inspires, > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27991	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: American Flyer HO

> Hi bob i picked up an ho price guide many years ago by charles w. fonda, but > you might want to try greenberg,they bought out kalmbach books and see if > they have one > books@... good luck please let me know how you make out Stan > Sobieski > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jhannawald@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@...> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO > > > > Bob, > > > > My copy of O'Briens Collecting Toy Trains has American Flyer HO listings. > > > > Jim Hannawald > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:23 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO > > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is a book or price guide that lists all the > > > Flyer Ho in it.I have gotten a few peices and want to see what was > > > made. Thanks Bob Persing > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27992	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: ebay practices

As a semi-frequent e-bay buyer and seller I would say that this is completely unacceptable! The buyer should be responsible for all shipping costs related to these "mistakes". Is there a problem with sharing the names on the list? I know a few years ago there were a few names that went around and I was tempted to compile the list of the names for access by those that want to boycott blatant or at the least questionable selling practices. If there are enough names I would still be willing to do that. Before someone suggests that we don't use e-Bay and how much better it is to go to the shows or a local dealer, please remember that not everyone has that luxury! E-bay is one of the few ways I have to increase and upgrade my collection. No dealers within 150 miles! No shows of any size either. gary On 11/23/03 3:42 AM, "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...> wrote: > Hi all, > I recently had two less than stellar experiences buying switches on ebay > and I am seeking information concerning protocol. The first experience > was a set of 720a switches that arrived with different terminals than in > the picture on ebay. They were not turret terminals. The seller > apologized for the error and said to return them which I did and he sent > the proper set of switches in return. However I incurred an additional > shipping cost of over $10 with insurance. Is it not the responsibility > of the seller who shipped the wrong items to reimburse the shipping > costs? In another auction for another set of 720a switches one turret > stud had been replaced with one with a different thread and the knurled > nut doesn't screw down. The stud has to be held in with a nut on top of > the switch which looks like crap. This was also not per picture or > description. The seller wants me to pay for shipping it back and he > says that he will replace it with a good one and pay for return shipping > only. Is this normal for the buyer to pay extra to get what he bargained > for in good faith just because the seller screwed up? If anyone wants > the ebay names of these losers or has a similar list of ebay losers to > share please contact me off list. > Alex > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27993	From: louis glumac	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: ebay practices

your right the seller hould pay for his own mistake,i can see how it can happen,but its not the buyers fault at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Chidester" <GChidester@...> To: "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...>; <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ebay practices > As a semi-frequent e-bay buyer and seller I would say that this is > completely unacceptable! The buyer should be responsible for all shipping > costs related to these "mistakes". > > Is there a problem with sharing the names on the list? I know a few years > ago there were a few names that went around and I was tempted to compile the > list of the names for access by those that want to boycott blatant or at the > least questionable selling practices. If there are enough names I would > still be willing to do that. > > Before someone suggests that we don't use e-Bay and how much better it is to > go to the shows or a local dealer, please remember that not everyone has > that luxury! E-bay is one of the few ways I have to increase and upgrade my > collection. No dealers within 150 miles! No shows of any size either. > > gary > > > > > On 11/23/03 3:42 AM, "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I recently had two less than stellar experiences buying switches on ebay > > and I am seeking information concerning protocol. The first experience > > was a set of 720a switches that arrived with different terminals than in > > the picture on ebay. They were not turret terminals. The seller > > apologized for the error and said to return them which I did and he sent > > the proper set of switches in return. However I incurred an additional > > shipping cost of over $10 with insurance. Is it not the responsibility > > of the seller who shipped the wrong items to reimburse the shipping > > costs? In another auction for another set of 720a switches one turret > > stud had been replaced with one with a different thread and the knurled > > nut doesn't screw down. The stud has to be held in with a nut on top of > > the switch which looks like crap. This was also not per picture or > > description. The seller wants me to pay for shipping it back and he > > says that he will replace it with a good one and pay for return shipping > > only. Is this normal for the buyer to pay extra to get what he bargained > > for in good faith just because the seller screwed up? If anyone wants > > the ebay names of these losers or has a similar list of ebay losers to > > share please contact me off list. > > Alex > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27994	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: ebay practices

To me its simple.....If I make A mistake....I foot the bill....you make one ...you foot the bill....The worst I ever made was sell two books....one to Japan....one to Canada........Yep....sent each the wrong one.....I contacted each and sent them the postage and the others address so they could exchange books...they did.......All worked out fine....EXCEPT I LOST A few bucks....but I made it right....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27995	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: Set Box Madness On eBay!

Yes....I quit at 271.94.....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Johnson, Jr." <robt.john@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Set Box Madness On eBay! > Hello All, > Set box madness has hit eBay again. Take a look at auction > #3157467242!!! Unbelievable!!! Anyone care to comment??? > > Robert Johnson > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27996	From: dayna	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: ebay practices

If I, as a seller, make a mistake I always pay for the return postage if the customer wants to send it back. They also get back any monies they paid including insurance costs. I want my customers to be happy. IF THEY are returning the item because THEY did not read the description nor look at the pictures and I am being gracious enough to take it back then THEY SHOULD PAY the postage. I try to be fair. Dayna

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27997	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: How to connect power to my s-helper sectional track?

Well, I am trying to put up the Christmas layout, and it seems when I bought my sectional s-helper track at York, the s-helper folks did not mention that I need some kind of special clip to connect power, and I don't find them in the box! Any ideas? I am way down here in central Florida, with NO s-helper dealer near by, and don't want to mess up the track trying to solder directly to it. I am a bit frustrated...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27998	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: How to connect power to my s-helper sectional track?

**((Any ideas? I am way down here in central Florida, with NO s-helper dealer near by, and don't want to mess up the track trying to solder directly to it. I am a bit frustrated...))*** Well,..ya might just sacrifice a straght (or curved piece) and try the solder thing....for one loop anyway...how many connections do ya need for your layout? I bought an On30 Christmas set last year,....and have since bought a little logging On30 loco, (logging cars on lay-a-way)..I didn't want to mess with the track in the Christmas set, so I bought some curves instead. Soooo... I was thinkin' about settin' it up one night, and realized I couldn't connect power, oh well, another time. On a visit to the train store recently, I picked up a straight w/ the power connector plug....a few days went by and I thought I'd hook up the track,....so now I have a bunch of curves and ONE straight!! Nuts again!! I don't think, (don't quote me), that Bachmann makes a curve w/power connector....so I can't just make a little loop.....So next trip I'll get another straight. Maybe Don and Robin can rush an order out to ya Chuck! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 27999	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: How to connect power to my s-helper sectional track?

Chuck, I may be wrong, as I don't have a piece here to look at, but I believe the connetors are built into the underside of the track--just two small tabs sticking down at the end. You need to go to an automotive store and get some SMALL spade (female) terminals to slip on them. Take the track piece with you to get one that will fit--it just has to hang on solidly, it can be oversized a bit. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28000	From: William Lange	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] How to connect power to my s-helper sectional track?

Hi Chuck, You can either solder directly to the tabs that are underneath the snap connectors at either end of the track, or make up your own leads using female quick disconnect connectors for a .110 stud. I got a bag of 100 for $7.49 at a local electronics store. Bill Lange > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Harrington [mailto:myflyertrains@...] > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 3:42 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] How to connect power to my s-helper > sectional track? > > > Well, > > I am trying to put up the Christmas layout, and it seems when > I bought > my sectional s-helper track at York, the s-helper folks did > not mention > that I need some kind of special clip to connect power, and I > don't find > them in the box! > > Any ideas? I am way down here in central Florida, with NO s-helper > dealer near by, and don't want to mess up the track trying to solder > directly to it. I am a bit frustrated... > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28001	From: Tim	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Train shows

Hi, For any dealers on this list who set up at train shows, I have one request for you; along with the nice pieces you have for resale, please don't forget to take your junk with you to the shows as well. I know the entry fee and table space is expensive, so put all your best pieces on the table top, and put your junk in boxes UNDER the tables. Guys like me will find it. I spend more time looking under tables than on them. I don't know how many dealers I've talked to in the past who have told me that they have junk, but they left it at home. It won't sell there. All I am saying, is give junk a chance. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28002	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: eBay item 3158545876 (Ends Nov-29-03 092105 PST) - Vintage American

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3158545876 Here is something, as it doesn't work with the definition of mint according to TCA. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28003	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 23, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28004	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: eBay item 3566287930 Not a Train Item

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3566287930&category=2516&rd=1 Something I had as a kid, as I still have a few of the road signs from it. And to think it was probably five dollars of so in the early 1960's. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28005	From: Lance McCold	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Photos of Bruce Renshaw's High Rail Layout

I have posted photos of a very nice S-gauge high rail layout on Paul York's web site. Go to http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun57. Click on the thumbnail and it will bring up thumbnails of the six photos. I have to tell the story of how I came to post these photos. I hope you enjoy it. I saw a posting on the S-trains site from a Bill Clark. Bill was looking for a pair of older-design GarGraves switches for a friend. I had a pair I had bought quite a while ago and did not have any plans for, so I wrote back to him. He wrote me to say that his friend wanted the switches and would I call the friend to close the deal. His friend is Bruce Renshaw. I called him and made arrangements. I found Bruce to be a very pleasant and interesting person. We had a nice chat. He told me about his layout and offered to send me photos. I said that would be wonderful. After I saw them, I knew something had to be done to let the rest of the world of S-gaugers know about it. I called him and asked if I could scan the pictures and post them where others could see them. Bruce was pleased with the idea and gave me the go ahead. Part of what makes this story so good to me is that Bruce lives in Lewiston, Idaho, I live in Knoxville, TN and Bill lives in Massachusetts. Without the S-trains group, the three of us would never have known that the others existed. None of the three of us has ever seen any of the others, but we have had the chance to enrich each others' lives. Bruce has gotten the switches he was looking for. I got the pleasure of talking to a fine fellow. Bill says that though they have never been in the same room, Bruce has become a friend. Thanks to the Internet (and Paul York) all of you get a glimpse of a rare and special thing, a nearly finished S-gauge layout. You may wonder why Bill was looking for the switches for Bruce. I did. And, why I was posting pictures of Bruce's layout. It turns out that Bruce is legally blind. He does not use a computer because he cannot see the screen well enough. The photos I posted seem to have been taken with a point and shoot camera--not as much is in sharp focus as one would like. While the pictures give a sense of how impressive the layout is, I am sure they don't do it justice. Hopefully, someone who lives closer to Bruce will take some high quality pictures of the layout and publish them in a magazine or on the web. Lance McCold Knoxville, Tennessee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28006	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: How to connect power to my s-helper sectional track?

Thanks, I did get an email from Don Thomson of s-helper explaining what I need. For the Christmas layout, I am just using alligator clips. I will get the correct connectors at the next York. Thanks to everyone who replied, and your many suggestions! Chuck Tennsgauge@... wrote: > All these replies you have gotten are making it too difficult. > > It is correct that the wires connect to the tabs underneath the track. > SHS provides wire to connect to it that will slip right into the > underside tabs. If you do not have this wire, I recommend you email > Don Thompson at robin@.... I bet he will get you a > connecting wire within 2 days (by Wednesday, just in time for > Thanksgiving. > > If you purchased a boxed set of track, search to make sure you do not > have the wire already in the box. > > Earl Henry, > Nashville, TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28007	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Re: eBay item 3158545876 (Ends Nov-29-03 092105 PST) - Vintage Amer

Well it seems mint to me if you fix all the damages, and replace the missing parts, then clean it up. LOL. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] eBay item 3158545876 (Ends Nov-29-03 092105 PST) - Vintage American Flyer 314AW Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:54:40 -0500 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3158545876 Here is something, as it doesn't work with the definition of mint according to TCA. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Say �goodbye� to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28008	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: AF custom Christmas train on eBay

Wow! Here's a Christmas train for ya!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3158235356&category=480 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28009	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Got Junk? was Train Shows

Go Tim! That's my kinda guy, as long as I get to the under-table boxes first! I usually buy far more parts than anything else! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28010	From: rayklesc	Date: 11/23/2003
Subject: Modeling Tips Exchange Now Open

Dear Fellow Modelers: Model Railroad Hobby has just launched a new FREE service called the Tips Exchange. This service allows anyone to read modeling tips grouped by category and submit tips, techniques and ideas automatically. You can view the Tips Exchange at the following url: <http://modelrailroadhobby.com/Tip> We also have a FREE Classified Ads section open as well at: <http://modelrailroadhobby.com/Classifieds Thank you for stopping by and look forward to the sharing of Tips. Ray Klesc <http://modelrailroadhobby.com>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28011	From: knockbill	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Re: CTT/Train shows

Hi As far as CTT is concerned... I think I have gotten almost all the issues,,, I like some of the articles on layouts & how-to's,,, However, I only pay 25 or 50 cents or so for the back issues at train meets,,, You see, then I feel I'm getting my moneys worth...And, Every once in a great while they even have a piece on Marx trains, I like the accesories.... As far as junk is concerned, that could be the name of my railroad,,, I am in to resurrecting the "junk" & running it,,, so as someone said, bring it along..... Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28012	From: TCS	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

778 TILX 50' tank car (11-03) 779 MKT 42' tank cars (4-59, 7-71) 780 KCS 60' Gunderson box car (1-96) 781 STSX 40' tank car (3-03) Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28013	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2075

Gilbert HO: Gary Klein authored a book HO from 1938 to 1963, hard back with a price guide and colored pictures an excellent book. call him 503-345-4472. Gary Klein, P.O. box 305, Eugene, OR. 97440 Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28014	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Decals....

Anyone have a clue where I could find some "S" (or HO) decals for a tanker car that I want to make into a 'water' tanker? Thanks!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28015	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Re: CTT mags....

**(((However, I only pay 25 or 50 cents or so for the back issues at train meets,,, You see, then I feel I'm getting my moneys worth...)))*** Yep,...I've done the same thing,..bought older issues for a buck or less at train shows,....same with S-Gaugians. I bought a original (the 1st issue)CTT at the local train store, (or a show, I can't remember!)....for a buck,..saw the same issue going for $24.00 on eBay!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28016	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: MIX-UP

If the person I sold an item to & they got a Guliford station ibn addition to what they bought PLEASE contact me. The return address said Collectible Diecas Instead of my name & address. The station was not a BONUS beause I'm such a nice guy(ASK the guy that sent it to the wrong address). Thank You, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28017	From: knockbill	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Decals...

Hi Rick, & others,,, I just found a Yahoo group called rr-decals... Check it out Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28018	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Re: Train shows

Exactly Tim. I did not get "stoop-over disease" from standing and staring at table tops. John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > Hi, > > For any dealers on this list who set up at train shows, I have one request for you; along with the nice pieces you have for resale, please don't forget to take your junk with you to the shows as well. I know the entry fee and table space is expensive, so put all your best pieces on the table top, and put your junk in boxes UNDER the tables. Guys like me will find it. I spend more time looking under tables than on them. I don't know how many dealers I've talked to in the past who have told me that they have junk, but they left it at home. It won't sell there. All I am saying, is give junk a chance. > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28019	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Double trestle bridge

Anyone have any ideas as to how I can secure an overhead double trestle bridge? I would rather not drill any holes in the base or otherwise detract from its esthetics. As of now it is sitting on plywood "piers" that are fastened to the table top but the bridge itself is not attached to anything. Any ideas? Thanks in advance to all,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28020	From: knockbill	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: Double trestle bridge

Hi How about some double sided tape?? It should peel off clean if you need to move it John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28021	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2003
Subject: S Friendy Campaign - Burrett Hobbies

I patronjized Burrett Hobbies frequentlywhen they were in College Park. They did have S products - although admittedly not a lot - when they were there. The owner always ordered them for me (and at a good price). I haven't been yet to their new Mount Airy location but I suspect the underlying atmosphere is the same. As such, I'd put them down in the S friendly category! Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28022	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28023	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Way off topic but very, very cool

I had this forwarded to me today http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28024	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: I GOT THE JOB!

Hi! Just a quick note, I am now the Oroville City Curator!--or will be when the paperwork is done! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28025	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Flyer HO

Thanks to all that told me about all the books that are out there.I will be getting several of them. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28026	From: wizzy6969	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: amer.flyer stuff

i have some american flyer stuff that needs a home as i am into slotcars not trains..stuff is old -not ho scale.maybe next size up i havent a clue.. it is the real deal not repro.. TMASTERWIZARD@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28027	From: Guckes, Albert	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Burrett Hobbies

I second the endorsement of Burrett Hobbies now in Mt. Airy, Maryland. I bought there regularly when I lived in Maryland and they were in College Park. They were helpful and reliable. I still buy from them via the telephone and mail order.Bruce Blackwood is the owner and is very knowledgeable about all scales. Al Guckes Email: ad_guckes@... <mailto:ad_guckes@...> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28028	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Gabe

Anyone have a copy of the Gabe instructions or can tell me how to wire it up? Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28029	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Re: Flyer HO

I too am looking for HO info....Darn things are worse than Those Chips!!!!!!!!!..... Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT A PERSING" <boblines51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer HO > Thanks to all that told me about all the books that are out there.I > will be getting several of them. Bob Persing > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28030	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 11/25/2003
Subject: Farm Loads

For those seeking "farm loads" the following is shown on page 49 of the 12/03 "Toy Farmer." Woods & Copeland 1:64 4WD tractors at $30 a pop+$6 for one or $10 for more than one S&H. The ad for these is immediately to the right and below the NASG ad. The tractors are offered by Long Creek Toy Co., Box 237, 104 8th Ave. SE, Crosby, ND 58730, 701-965-6489. These folks seem to have no web site so snail mail or the tellie are the only alternatives. The version with a cab, per the ad, is apparently somewhat delayed. Happy plowing. Also, for those below the Mason-Dixon Line, in actual presence or in heart, on page 10 of the 12/03 "Toy Trucker," All American Toy Co. is introducing a 1:64 semi decked out in "Bubba's" trucking, the "Better Late Than Never Trucking Co." This little gem, hauling a mixed load of grits, Moon Pies, and RC, goes for $49.99+$7 S&H. And, golly-gee, Sgt. Carter, the ad includes an "Ode to Bubba." Just wondering if Bubba takes his pretty blonde cousin Marci along on those long runs to Albuquerque? www.allamericantoyco.com. Does it get any better than this? Gerry Evans In Flagstaff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28031	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: S Friendy Campaign - Burrett Hobbies

I added Burrett Hobbies to the list. Also, Our ad in Model Retailer brought this interesting challenge for our New England S folks: > Comments: I am a small, 3-yr old model-RR shop, HO & On30. I've special-ordered a few items for S'ers, and want to see if there are enough S'ers in New England to justify stocking. > At the Narrow-Gauge Conv. in R.I. last year, I saw a lot of Sn3. > Joseph Couture > Moose Miniatures 160 Newburyport Tpk, Rowley, MA 01969 Why don't you let this fellow know that you're there. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul4Schil@a... wrote: > I patronjized Burrett Hobbies frequentlywhen they were in College > Park. They did have S products - although admittedly not a lot - when they were > there. The owner always ordered them for me (and at a good price). I haven't > been yet to their new Mount Airy location but I suspect the underlying > atmosphere is the same. As such, I'd put them down in the S friendly category! > Paul S. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28032	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: S Friendy Campaign - Burrett Hobbies

Dear Roy, Your server bounces my return e-mail. Please contact. Don Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28033	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: eBay links without description

Ladies and Gentlemen: Often there is a link given to an eBay item. The link is great if I am at my desk. But most of these I print and read on the bus or while my computer is already busy. At that moment the link is worthless. Please give a one sentence description of what the item is. (Examples: interesting 336 or rare Miller power trucks.) Then I can read the next four day's worth of comments and have some idea what the thread is about. Happy Turkey Day! Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28034	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Follow Up on Gabe Thread

After I found the button I was able to figure out the wireing,I think.How exactly is the AF original gabe supposed to work. I thought when gabe was at the top the lights came on automatically, and then shut off when he goes back up. I may be confused with another version of the gabe produced by either MTH or those other guys. Please advise,Thanks,John.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28035	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Follow Up on Gabe Thread

***((( I thought when gabe was at the top the lights came on automatically, and then shut off when he goes back up. I may be confused with another version of the gabe produced by either MTH or those other guys. Please advise,Thanks,John.))**** John,.. I only have the Flyonel Gabe,....and the lights come on when Gabe hits the top,....but I think on the original Gabes, another button has to be pushed to turn on the lights. Someone correct me ifn' I'm wrong. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28036	From: Edward G.	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: WARNING >> E-BAY RIPOFF ARTIST>>>WARNING

I have never Slagged a guy befor ..But then I have never been ripped off either ...But there is a first time for everything ..I bought and Paid for a 2003 Xmas Car from this guy >> Ellenco <<..I didnt check his FEEDBACK ..But since I bought the AF Xmas car in early Oct He has got over 15 Neg Feedbacks all the same reason ..Sooo BEWARE Fellow Members of this GUY ...HE DOES NOT RESPOND TO MULIPLE E MAILS EITHER.....Edward G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28037	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: WARNING >> E-BAY RIPOFF ARTIST>>>WARNING

Another good reason to compile a list of these "Sellers" IMHO. John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward G." <am-flyr@t...> wrote: > I have never Slagged a guy befor ..But then I have never been ripped > off either ...But there is a first time for everything ..I bought > and Paid for a 2003 Xmas Car from this guy >> Ellenco <<..I didnt > check his FEEDBACK ..But since I bought the AF Xmas car in early Oct > He has got over 15 Neg Feedbacks all the same reason ..Sooo BEWARE > Fellow Members of this GUY ...HE DOES NOT RESPOND TO MULIPLE E MAILS > EITHER.....Edward G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28038	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: WARNING >> E-BAY RIPOFF ARTIST>>>WARNING

Edward,.. I'm assuming you paid for the item and didn't receive it.... BUMMER!!! Rick. ****((((I have never Slagged a guy befor ..But then I have never been ripped off either ...But there is a first time for everything ..I bought and Paid for a 2003 Xmas Car from this guy >> Ellenco <<..I didnt check his FEEDBACK ..But since I bought the AF Xmas car in early Oct He has got over 15 Neg Feedbacks all the same reason ..Sooo BEWARE Fellow Members of this GUY ...HE DOES NOT RESPOND TO MULIPLE E MAILS EITHER.....Edward G)))******* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28039	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

Guys and Gals....Take A look at these 2 items.....I am beginning to smell something FISHY......What do you think....Pics and description and price are all alike....I have his Tel. no....Going to call before I send A Check.....Both were BIN at 95.00 each......Bob Conner http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3159755742&category=480&r d=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3159537798&category=480&r d=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28040	From: waldootten	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

Did you notice the same buyer took both items? > Guys and Gals....Take A look at these 2 items.....I am beginning to smell > something FISHY......What do you think....Pics and description and price are > all alike....I have his Tel. no....Going to call before I send A > Check.....Both were BIN at 95.00 each......Bob Conner > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3159755742&category=480&r > d=1 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3159537798&category=480&r > d=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28041	From: waldootten	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: One of many reasons eBay sellers amuse me

I just love it when someone offers train stuff for sale on eBay and claims very loudly that they know nothing about trains, yet somehow, magically, they know just enough to set a reserve price. And also include a statement that the item(s) are being sold "as is." Happy Turkey Day, everyone! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28042	From: Tim	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: One of many reasons eBay sellers amuse me

I stay away from sellers who: a.. have more rules & regulations than they do a description of the item. b.. make too big a point of selling the item "as is" or "pictures tell the story" or "I don't know anything about these thingys" or "untested" or "minty" c.. tell what terrible things they will do to you if you don't follow all their rules to the letter d.. uses words to the effect, "this item grades out as...". As though he had a check list and scored each facet of the piece on a scale of 1 to 10, then totaled up the score and used a chart to determine the grade. Let's hear some more of YOUR pet peeves about eBay sellers! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: waldootten To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] One of many reasons eBay sellers amuse me I just love it when someone offers train stuff for sale on eBay and claims very loudly that they know nothing about trains, yet somehow, magically, they know just enough to set a reserve price. And also include a statement that the item(s) are being sold "as is." Happy Turkey Day, everyone! Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28043	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

Bob, why r u going to send him a check? Did you buy these two items? Rots of ruck. Happy Holidays to all on the list,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > Guys and Gals....Take A look at these 2 items.....I am beginning to smell > something FISHY......What do you think....Pics and description and price are > all alike....I have his Tel. no....Going to call before I send A > Check.....Both were BIN at 95.00 each......Bob Conner > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3159755742&category=480&r > d=1 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=3159537798&category=480&r > d=1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28044	From: John Brockmann	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: One of many reasons eBay sellers amuse me

How about "Vintage" and "I am not sure what scale this is"? John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > I stay away from sellers who: > a.. have more rules & regulations than they do a description of the item. > b.. make too big a point of selling the item "as is" or "pictures tell the story" or "I don't know anything about these thingys" or "untested" or "minty" > c.. tell what terrible things they will do to you if you don't follow all their rules to the letter > d.. uses words to the effect, "this item grades out as...". As though he had a check list and scored each facet of the piece on a scale of 1 to 10, then totaled up the score and used a chart to determine the grade. > Let's hear some more of YOUR pet peeves about eBay sellers! > > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: waldootten > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:29 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] One of many reasons eBay sellers amuse me > > > I just love it when someone offers train stuff for sale on eBay and > claims very loudly that they know nothing about trains, yet somehow, > magically, they know just enough to set a reserve price. > > And also include a statement that the item(s) are being sold "as is." > > Happy Turkey Day, everyone! > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@Y... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28045	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

Hey guys....i am chief-pile-it.....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > Did you notice the same buyer took both items? > > > Guys and Gals....Take A look at these 2 items.....I am beginning > to smell > > something FISHY......What do you think....Pics and description and > price are > > all alike....I have his Tel. no....Going to call before I send A > > Check.....Both were BIN at 95.00 each......Bob Conner > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3159755742&category=480&r > > d=1 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=3159537798&category=480&r > > d=1 > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28046	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

Bob, The first item has pictures of the engines and the cars. The second item ONLY had a picture of the SAME engine and the same smoke too! Since the second item had no cars pictured, I would say they are TWO different sets. JUST KIDDING! Very strange, as he may have two of the same sets. Best of luck, if you mail him a check, Bob. Let us know what you do. Have a great Thanksgiving to all, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > Guys and Gals....Take A look at these 2 items.....I am beginning to smell > something FISHY......What do you think....Pics and description and price are > all alike....I have his Tel. no....Going to call before I send A > Check.....Both were BIN at 95.00 each......Bob Conner > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3159755742&category=480&r > d=1 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3159537798&category=480&r > d=1 > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28047	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

So Chief-Pile-It is involved too in this deal? Just kidding again, Bob. Good luck with it, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > Hey guys....i am chief-pile-it.....Bob Conner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:08 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > > > > Did you notice the same buyer took both items? > > > > > Guys and Gals....Take A look at these 2 items.....I am beginning > > to smell > > > something FISHY......What do you think....Pics and description and > > price are > > > all alike....I have his Tel. no....Going to call before I send A > > > Check.....Both were BIN at 95.00 each......Bob Conner > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&item=3159755742&category=480&r > > > d=1 > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&item=3159537798&category=480&r > > > d=1 > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28048	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

A couple of observations on the seller: 1. He is new to Ebay, 10-31-03, as everybody has to get a start with Ebay sometime. Fair enough. 2. I looked at his other items for sale, which are 4 items, O gauge, and two have the same picture for the engine, but the description of these sets are not the same, so maybe he goofed with the picture, as that can and has happen, I am sure, with other sellers by mistake, only to be corrected later. But he hasn't with this yet, as one set is stated it is Lionel with a Marx engine. Fair enough, in a way, as you would think he would correct that picture on the wrong item, as I do not know what is a Marx or Lionel engine. Same picture for your sets, since they were stated they were the same sets, maybe he was selling the same two sets and thought it would be okay to use the same engine picture, for many possible reasons, one being, he didn't think the same person would bid for both sets and win and would think about what he just won. Did you email him about this and did he respond back to you about this matter? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > So Chief-Pile-It is involved too in this deal? > > Just kidding again, Bob. > > Good luck with it, > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > > > > Hey guys....i am chief-pile-it.....Bob Conner > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:08 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > > > > > > > Did you notice the same buyer took both items? > > > > > > > Guys and Gals....Take A look at these 2 items.....I am beginning > > > to smell > > > > something FISHY......What do you think....Pics and description and > > > price are > > > > all alike....I have his Tel. no....Going to call before I send A > > > > Check.....Both were BIN at 95.00 each......Bob Conner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > > ViewItem&item=3159755742&category=480&r > > > > d=1 > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > > ViewItem&item=3159537798&category=480&r > > > > d=1 > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28049	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: One of many reasons eBay sellers amuse me

Hello All, How about "worked perfectly the last time I tried it but selling "as- is.'" Or, "it ran when I put it away fifty years ago but I see no reason why it shouldn't work now." Or "my camera is especially good and shows more defects than there actually are." Or "I have no way to test the item." The scans that accompany these statements often catch a portion of a Flyer layout in the background! These statements speak volumes about a Flyer piece. Happy Thanksgiving to all!!! ~~Robert Johnson~~ ~~Hayward, California~~ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@a...> wrote: > How about "Vintage" and "I am not sure what scale this is"? John B. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@a...> wrote: > > I stay away from sellers who: > > a.. have more rules & regulations than they do a description of > the item. > > b.. make too big a point of selling the item "as is" or "pictures > tell the story" or "I don't know anything about these thingys" > or "untested" or "minty" > > c.. tell what terrible things they will do to you if you don't > follow all their rules to the letter > > d.. uses words to the effect, "this item grades out as...". As > though he had a check list and scored each facet of the piece on a > scale of 1 to 10, then totaled up the score and used a chart to > determine the grade. > > Let's hear some more of YOUR pet peeves about eBay sellers! > > > > Tim Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: waldootten > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:29 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] One of many reasons eBay sellers amuse me > > > > > > I just love it when someone offers train stuff for sale on eBay > and > > claims very loudly that they know nothing about trains, yet > somehow, > > magically, they know just enough to set a reserve price. > > > > And also include a statement that the item(s) are being sold "as > is." > > > > Happy Turkey Day, everyone! > > > > Phil K > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- > unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28050	From: waldootten	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Oh, yeah... another one...

How about the item listed as "Rare AF 300 locomotive?" What is rare? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28051	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

No he has not responded to my e-mails yet....will keep trying....might give him a call....I have thought about those things....everybody has to start somewhere....will try to work it out...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > A couple of observations on the seller: > > 1. He is new to Ebay, 10-31-03, as everybody has to get a start with Ebay > sometime. Fair enough. > > 2. I looked at his other items for sale, which are 4 items, O gauge, and > two have the same picture for the engine, but the description of these sets > are not the same, so maybe he goofed with the picture, as that can and has > happen, I am sure, with other sellers by mistake, only to be corrected > later. But he hasn't with this yet, as one set is stated it is Lionel with > a Marx engine. Fair enough, in a way, as you would think he would correct > that picture on the wrong item, as I do not know what is a Marx or Lionel > engine. Same picture for your sets, since they were stated they were the > same sets, maybe he was selling the same two sets and thought it would be > okay to use the same engine picture, for many possible reasons, one being, > he didn't think the same person would bid for both sets and win and would > think about what he just won. > > Did you email him about this and did he respond back to you about this > matter? > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...>; "robert > allen conner" <rcon7@...> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > > > > So Chief-Pile-It is involved too in this deal? > > > > Just kidding again, Bob. > > > > Good luck with it, > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > > > > > > > Hey guys....i am chief-pile-it.....Bob Conner > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> > > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:08 PM > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > > > > > > > > > > Did you notice the same buyer took both items? > > > > > > > > > Guys and Gals....Take A look at these 2 items.....I am beginning > > > > to smell > > > > > something FISHY......What do you think....Pics and description and > > > > price are > > > > > all alike....I have his Tel. no....Going to call before I send A > > > > > Check.....Both were BIN at 95.00 each......Bob Conner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > > > ViewItem&item=3159755742&category=480&r > > > > > d=1 > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > > > ViewItem&item=3159537798&category=480&r > > > > > d=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28052	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

He may have hit the list this button twice or the list another like this item & not knowen he listed it twice. It has happened to me due to my computer "sticking" etc. Also I belive he is a first time seller. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28053	From: Fred Jester	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Re: Gabe

Dear John, Good day! Unfortunately, the service manual that we offer does not include set up and operating instructions for "Gabe", but it does include instructions for the following: 583, 583A, 591, 592, 596, 697, 709, 715, 718, 720A, 732, 734, 751, 752, 755, 758A, 759, 760, 761, 766, 770, 771 - not to mention countless parts diagrams and parts lists (over five hundred pages). A.C. Gilbert Service Manual http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3160061290 We appreciate your continued support - if you have an opportunity please visit us at: http://www.GilbertGuru.com Leonard D Salins 4 Gate Post Court Potomac, MD 20854-1735 BluePrince@... http://stores.ebay.com/id=27597730&ssPageName=L2 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Brockmann To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gabe Anyone have a copy of the Gabe instructions or can tell me how to wire it up? Thanks,John B. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28054	From: rfgiardina	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Re: Gabe

John, The Gabe instruction sheet is item # M3983, and it is available from our operating instructions page in our Online Catalog www.rfgco.com/catalog/ along with 100's of original Gilbert, American Flyer, Ideal, Auto-Rama and other original literature. RFG --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@a...> wrote: > Anyone have a copy of the Gabe instructions or can tell me how to > wire it up? Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28055	From: Tim	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: DC post follow-up

Hi, About a week ago I made a post describing a DC base post common rail system. To date, it has gone unchallenged. Fair enough, I'll challenge it. I don't think it's a TRUE base post common rail system. Although the base post common rail is unbroken, I believe the bridge rectifiers provide that break so that when polarity is reversed in any given block, the resultant short does not go back to the transformer. The base posts of all the transformers are connected to the common rail by-way-of bridge rectifiers, however they are not connected directly to the other base posts of the transformers as they are on an AC base post common rail system. I believe there are advantages to this DC "modified base post common rail system" and running a mixed bag of AC/DC wired locos. A loco wired for DC can go through a reverse loop while a loco wired for AC with the reverse unit locked in forward will not go into reverse when the polarity of the mainline is reversed. Locos wired for AC that use the reverse unit for direction control can operate well on this system. Locos wired for DC that use a DPDT switch for direction control can also run well on this system. Vintage DC locos such as the Challenger and 0-8-0 DC can run on this system. Locos wired for DC tend to crawl better over switches and crossings without getting hung up. Reverse units on AC locos don't buzz. Accessories can be run off AC from a separate transformer with no harm. Have a happy thanksgiving holiday! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28056	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

Giving him the benefit of the two things I pointed out on your winning sets, if fair enough, but not to respond to your email about the two alike winning bids if wrong. However, again to be fair, it is a holiday week and he may be out of town. I would wait before sending $200 plus for these two sets before I would hear from. And you shouldn't have to go through the expense of a phone call. But using 10-10-987 is pretty inexpensive to call him, however. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > No he has not responded to my e-mails yet....will keep trying....might give > him a call....I have thought about those things....everybody has to start > somewhere....will try to work it out...Bob Conner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...>; "robert > allen conner" <rcon7@...>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > > > > A couple of observations on the seller: > > > > 1. He is new to Ebay, 10-31-03, as everybody has to get a start with Ebay > > sometime. Fair enough. > > > > 2. I looked at his other items for sale, which are 4 items, O gauge, and > > two have the same picture for the engine, but the description of these > sets > > are not the same, so maybe he goofed with the picture, as that can and has > > happen, I am sure, with other sellers by mistake, only to be corrected > > later. But he hasn't with this yet, as one set is stated it is Lionel > with > > a Marx engine. Fair enough, in a way, as you would think he would correct > > that picture on the wrong item, as I do not know what is a Marx or Lionel > > engine. Same picture for your sets, since they were stated they were the > > same sets, maybe he was selling the same two sets and thought it would be > > okay to use the same engine picture, for many possible reasons, one being, > > he didn't think the same person would bid for both sets and win and would > > think about what he just won. > > > > Did you email him about this and did he respond back to you about this > > matter? > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...>; "robert > > allen conner" <rcon7@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > > > > > > > So Chief-Pile-It is involved too in this deal? > > > > > > Just kidding again, Bob. > > > > > > Good luck with it, > > > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 6:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys....i am chief-pile-it.....Bob Conner > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> > > > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:08 PM > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you notice the same buyer took both items? > > > > > > > > > > > Guys and Gals....Take A look at these 2 items.....I am beginning > > > > > to smell > > > > > > something FISHY......What do you think....Pics and description and > > > > > price are > > > > > > all alike....I have his Tel. no....Going to call before I send A > > > > > > Check.....Both were BIN at 95.00 each......Bob Conner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > > > > ViewItem&item=3159755742&category=480&r > > > > > > d=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > > > > ViewItem&item=3159537798&category=480&r > > > > > > d=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28057	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Turkey Day.....

Gonna BBQ a turkey today and also load up the den with toy train smoke!! Hmmmm......smoke the turkey with......oh never mind!! Best wishes to all today! Rick "In the hammock while BBQing" Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28058	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2079 Tim Brown Re: eBay Sellers

I agree 100% with Tim Brown's comments. I have sold over 880 items on eBay with a feedback of 613. All are positive except one neutral. I have only sold one AF item, a 768 Oil Supply Depot. Most of my sales have been toys from the 40s and 50s. I try to describe my items correctly and do not post a lot of rules. Always, I try to keep a customer satisfied and happy. Wouldn't it be great if all sellers had that attitude. I do buy AF, Dinky Toys, Gilbert HO, etc., and have run across a lot of honest sellers. There's been a few not so great, but I think I have been lucky. Right now, I do not have much listed but you can certainly look at my listing style. User ID is jconn444. John Conn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28059	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/27/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

10-10-987 works for me, as I never had service from World Com/MCI so they didn't rip everyone off, as noted in the email below by Larry. Although, I did sell food to the MCI World Headquarters on 19th Street in Washington, D.C. and made a few bucks on them for awhile, till they moved to VA. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > 10-10-987 is MCI which is the new name for World Com that ripped every > one off. > They will not allow me to use the service because I dumped their > service. > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > > On Thursday, November 27, 2003, at 02:13 PM, mlmarmer wrote: > > > Giving him the benefit of the two things I pointed out on your winning > > sets, > > if fair enough, but not to respond to your email about the two alike > > winning > > bids if wrong. > > > > However, again to be fair, it is a holiday week and he may be out of > > town. > > > > I would wait before sending $200 plus for these two sets before I > > would hear > > from. And you shouldn't have to go through the expense of a phone > > call. > > But using 10-10-987 is pretty inexpensive to call him, however. > > > > Mike > > --- >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28060	From: jhwysopal	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: static steamer

A friend asked if I could get a steam engine for his father's Christmas present. It will be for display only, does not need to run. If anyone has steamer with a nice finish but doesnot run, contact me off list. I am thinking of a Pennsy Pacific or a Hudson but open to suggestions. Do not want any Casey Jones engines. Other possible suggestions welcome. thanks, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28061	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO

In a message dated 11/23/2003 1:03:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Flyvw64 writes: > Bob, > The book you want is titled, "Gilbert American Flyer HO 1938-1963" by > Gary Klein. > > Available from: Gary Klein > P.O. Box305 > Eugene,OR 97440 > This was put out in 1995 and I think it cost around $35, not sure of > that price. Book lists everthing in AF HO with discriptions and color pictures > of some and black/white of others. Hardback and well done. > > Harwood Owings [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28062	From: SnSTrains@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving to everybody from the wilds of Idaho. Steve & Sam S-'n-S Trains S-Gauge can motors And S-Video specialists 3239 Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.s-scaletrains.com/s-n-s/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28063	From: Bill Webster	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Favorite ebay statements

I didn't see the all-time classic: "has never been out of the box" and you're looking at it with the box under it or behind it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28064	From: Tim	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Favorite ebay statements

I'd like to (but I won't for the obvious reason) make an eBay listing like this, "Trestle Hump Set". Then way down at the bottom in little teeny, tiny print, "Box not included". :) :) Joke. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Webster To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 8:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Favorite ebay statements I didn't see the all-time classic: "has never been out of the box" and you're looking at it with the box under it or behind it. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28065	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: American Flyer HO

Anybody got an e-mail address or tel no for him? Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <Flyvw64@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO > In a message dated 11/23/2003 1:03:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Flyvw64 > writes: > > > > Bob, > > The book you want is titled, "Gilbert American Flyer HO 1938-1963" by > > Gary Klein. > > > > Available from: Gary Klein > > P.O. Box305 > > Eugene,OR 97440 > > This was put out in 1995 and I think it cost around $35, not sure of > > that price. Book lists everthing in AF HO with discriptions and color pictures > > of some and black/white of others. Hardback and well done. > > > > Harwood Owings > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28066	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO

Not sure this is current. 1-541-345-4472 Also,     GKLEIN@... HARWOOD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28067	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Favorite ebay statements

Hello Tim and All, Tim, If you were to offer the correct 6 trestles, single switch control, and all the other proper pieces you would in fact be offering up a "Railroad Hump Set"- less box. After all, isn't that the same thing that we deal with in a complete train set less boxes or even those with boxes for that matter? Not long ago the price of a Mopac set box was discussed on this list, not because the person asking collected cardboard, but that they were interested in a "complete" feel to their set. Sets are made up in various degrees of completion all the time and as long as the components are correct I don't have a problem with this practise, however I am not a "purist". To those that find fault in "made-up" sets, I really don't see how we can truly feel confident that most any of these sets are "truly" original.................... OH BOY TRAINS!..................Herky 1950 Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28068	From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Gilbert HO

I know Gary doesnt want his home phone passed around. I will give you his current email off the list if anybody needs it. He prefers it that way...Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28069	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Flyvw64@a... wrote: Hi All, I sent Gary Klein a check for $45.00 for his book a couple of months ago to his PO box but he has never cashed my check nor sent the book. I tried this phone number today but it has been disconnected. Perhaps he has moved or taken ill and has been unable to check his PO box. Or perhaps my letter and check have been forwarded to him if he has moved. I sincerely hope he is in good health and if anyone who subscribes to our S-Trains list can verify a new address, phone nember, or the state of his health, I am sure many of us would be grateful. Things can happen. We once had an electrician who had done a lot of work on our house and a year later we needed his help again. We called his house and left a message which was returned by his daughter a couple of months later informing us that he had passed away three months before we called him. I sure hope Gary is okay. He has done a lot for all Gilbert HO enthusiasts through his book, certainly a labor of love! Regards, ~~Robert Johnson~~ > Not sure this is current. > > 1-541-345-4472 Also,     GKLEIN@C... > > HARWOOD > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28070	From: John A Foley	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Farm Equipment

Hi Folks Here is a neat outfit that sent back our S questionnaire, It's call Action Farm toys. http://www.actionfarmtoys.com they have 1/64th Farm Vehicles, Buildings and Animals plus Construction equipment. John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28071	From: G Nichol	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: 332 wrap and box

Hi all! I got a 332 today (I think from 1949 since it has a white stripe and its tender says American Flyer) with a corrugated wrap and a boxed rectifier; however, the wrap has no stamp and looks to be a little short for the 332. Any thoughts on whether this may be the original wrap to this 332? I know he also has a 322 Hudson which may also have been partnered with this wrap. He also has a large box with the lettering "5915" in small print and "B2047" in a larger print. He's wondering whether this may have been the 332's original box or not. Any clue on what this may be? I saw a 332 on ebay that recently sold with a box. That box had a red and white AF label on it. This one in question does not. Always wanting to know more so I can keep this stuff complete and original. Thanks for any and all help! Happy holidays! Greg http://NicksTrains.com _________________________________________________________________ Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28072	From: mlmarmer	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Solve this ONE??????????

Larry, When you made the statement, "ripped everyone off", to me that meant the entire population in the world and I and many others had no dealings with this company that effected me financially. Except for the few dollars I made on my sales commission to the company cafeteria in Washington. Sorry, you lost money in your stock dealings, as you needed to be more clearer in your first statement that made no mention of your MCI stock losses and the other stockholders. As a rule in investing,, in my belief, one should not have allot of money in anyone company in the market. Mutual funds is the best way to invest. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <ljack70117@...> To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > Did you own any stock. NO? Lucky you. If they did not rip people off, > why are they in court about stock wrong doings? > Thank you > Larry Jackman > > > On Thursday, November 27, 2003, at 08:16 PM, mlmarmer wrote: > > > 10-10-987 works for me, as I never had service from World Com/MCI so > > they > > didn't rip everyone off, as noted in the email below by Larry. > > > > Although, I did sell food to the MCI World Headquarters on 19th Street > > in > > Washington, D.C. and made a few bucks on them for awhile, till they > > moved to > > VA. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <ljack70117@...> > > To: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > > Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "waldootten" <waldootten@...>; > > "robert > > allen conner" <rcon7@...> > > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 2:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Solve this ONE?????????? > > > > > >> 10-10-987 is MCI which is the new name for World Com that ripped every > >> one off. > >> They will not allow me to use the service because I dumped their > >> service. > >> Thank you > >> Larry Jackman > >> > >> > >> On Thursday, November 27, 2003, at 02:13 PM, mlmarmer wrote: > >> > >>> Giving him the benefit of the two things I pointed out on your > >>> winning > >>> sets, > >>> if fair enough, but not to respond to your email about the two alike > >>> winning > >>> bids if wrong. > >>> > >>> However, again to be fair, it is a holiday week and he may be out of > >>> town. > >>> > >>> I would wait before sending $200 plus for these two sets before I > >>> would hear > >>> from. And you shouldn't have to go through the expense of a phone > >>> call. > >>> But using 10-10-987 is pretty inexpensive to call him, however. > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> --- > >> > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28073	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28074	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO

I got a dissconnect too...also the e-mails bounce back.....I know to well about problems....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Johnson, Jr." <robt.john@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] American Flyer HO --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Flyvw64@a... wrote: Hi All, I sent Gary Klein a check for $45.00 for his book a couple of months ago to his PO box but he has never cashed my check nor sent the book. I tried this phone number today but it has been disconnected. Perhaps he has moved or taken ill and has been unable to check his PO box. Or perhaps my letter and check have been forwarded to him if he has moved. I sincerely hope he is in good health and if anyone who subscribes to our S-Trains list can verify a new address, phone nember, or the state of his health, I am sure many of us would be grateful. Things can happen. We once had an electrician who had done a lot of work on our house and a year later we needed his help again. We called his house and left a message which was returned by his daughter a couple of months later informing us that he had passed away three months before we called him. I sure hope Gary is okay. He has done a lot for all Gilbert HO enthusiasts through his book, certainly a labor of love! Regards, ~~Robert Johnson~~ > Not sure this is current. > > 1-541-345-4472 Also, GKLEIN@C... > > HARWOOD > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28075	From: Tim	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: Re: Favorite ebay statements

Hi, The way some guys feel confident that their set is original and complete is by buying unopened mint sets. I've even heard that sellers of such sets supply an x-ray of the contents to "prove" what's inside, although I've never actually seen that. In the example I joked about, the box is what makes the Hump Set valuable. Mixing and matching components to make a set is done all the time. Sets are parted out and rebuilt a lot! We should start tagging train pieces like wild animals to follow their movements from one owner to another. :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: obie bell To: Tim ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Favorite ebay statements Hello Tim and All, Tim, If you were to offer the correct 6 trestles, single switch control, and all the other proper pieces you would in fact be offering up a "Railroad Hump Set"- less box. After all, isn't that the same thing that we deal with in a complete train set less boxes or even those with boxes for that matter? Not long ago the price of a Mopac set box was discussed on this list, not because the person asking collected cardboard, but that they were interested in a "complete" feel to their set. Sets are made up in various degrees of completion all the time and as long as the components are correct I don't have a problem with this practise, however I am not a "purist". To those that find fault in "made-up" sets, I really don't see how we can truly feel confident that most any of these sets are "truly" original.................... OH BOY TRAINS!..................Herky 1950 Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28076	From: Pat O'Sullivan	Date: 11/28/2003
Subject: American Flyer Set For Sale

Hello S-Trains Folks, I have an American Flyer train set that I would like to sell. It has been in storage for many years. I've gone back and forth on rather to try to restore or to sell this set. Given available time and other factors I've finally decided to sell this set. While things generally appear to be intact or unbroken (exceptions are noted in the inventory list), this set needs a lot of TLC. For example, the track is rusty. Assume that mechanical or electrical components such as the engines, for example, would need reconditioning. This set is offered strictly "as is". Please find attached an inventory list. This set is offered as a single lot. The highest acceptable bid takes all. Best Regards, Pat O'Sullivan 760.940.8355 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28077	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Track Planning

I added two photos to the MHRREAST folder in Shared Files; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/mhrreast/ These are photos of my recent module planning and construction activity. I post them for two reasons. 1) If there are other / better ways to do any of these tasks, I'd like to know about them. 2) These methods might be of interest to other people. In photo 1 note the following; 1) At the ends of the modules are sections of wood cut to match the subroadbed and roadbed profiles. The wood will improve resistance to damage during transportation and setup. These blocks are all glued and nailed (use small brads). 2) The centerline for each track, and the centerline between the two mainline tracks is marked on the module top at each phase of construction. 3) The inner main will use code 125 rail for my AF and so that the modules can host AF trains when used as part of the club layout. The outer main will use code 100 for scale model trains. To bring the top of rail closer to the same height, I'm using cork (1/2 HO and 1/2 O) under the code 125, and HomaBed under the code 100. 4) Switch templates and cardboard "paperdolls" showing the footprint of each intended building greatly facilitate layout planning. I tried many times to plan the layout using small scale drawings. That was ok for sketching out ideas but just didn't work for the actual planning. I built the modules and did the actual planning right on the modules. 5) You can see some S scale vehicles that were used for planning street widths and loading dock clearances. 6) I modified the straight roadbed for switches by flexing and filling. 7) The roadbed is elevated above the surrounding terrain as in the prototype. 8) The main top is chipboard, cuz I could not find plywood of the thickness I wanted. DON'T make that mistake. Chipboard is much less durable than plywood. I have some repairs to make already. In photo 2 note these additional procedures. a) I've used some AM sectional track to help define clearances. S curves are not good, but these two cars get through it, pushing or pulling. When I handlay this section, I'll get a small amount of tangent track in between the opposing curves. b) The S scale rule is extremely helpful in layout planning. -- Ted Larson If something I said can be interpreted two ways, and one of the ways makes you annoyed or angry, I meant the other one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28078	From: AF336	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: on the subject of ebay

I have bought quite a few things from ebay and 90% of the time I come out ok. Here is one of the 10% that was not so good. http://perryisp.net/~mkiner/dishonest.htm Let me know what you think. I reminded this guy to send me my partial refund about once a month and he usually had an excuse of some sort. Now he doesn't answer any e-mail. Does anyone on the list know this guy? Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28079	From: Pat O'Sullivan	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: American Flyer Set For Sale with list pasted into email text.

Hello S-Train Folks, After sending my original email regarding my American Flyer train set for sale yesterday, I have been informed that attachments do not work with the s-trains email group. Although an attachment seems to have been sent successfully, the s-trains group email handler apparently strips off the attachment automatically, passing only the text portion of the message. The sender is not informed of this until and unless list recipients write back and note that the attachment did not arrive with the text portion of the message. OK, so here is the list as pasted text: American Flyer Inventory List Date: 29Nov03 Index Category Sub-Category Description Qty. 1 Transformer. Single control, small. American Flyer, No. 1 1/2B 1 2 Transformer. Dual control, large. Lionel, Type-KW. (Original knobs missing.) 1 3 Locomotive. Diesel. Santa Fe, 472. 1 4 Locomotive. Diesel. New Haven, 497. 1 5 Locomotive. Steam. American Flyer Lines, w/attached coal tender, w/spare shell, 302. 1 6 Rail car. Passenger. American Flyer Lines, Jefferson, 961. 1 7 Rail car. Passenger w/freight. American Flyer Lines, Jefferson, 960. 1 8 Rail car. Passenger w/observation level. American Flyer Lines, Hamilton 962. 1 9 Rail car. Passenger, end car. American Flyer Lines, Washington 963. 1 10 Rail car. Mail w/remote pick up. Railway Express Agency, New Haven, 718. 1 11 Rail car. Caboose. American Flyer Lines, 979. 1 12 Rail car. Caboose. American Flyer Lines, 638. 1 13 Rail car. Flat, w/motorized rocket. USAF, 25515, ALT57. 1 14 Rail car. Tanker. Gulf, 625G. 1 15 Rail car. Box car. Illinois Central, 623. 1 16 Rail car. Open freight. Frisco, 641. 1 17 Track. Curved, 10". 71 18 Track. Curved, short lengths. 7 19 Track. Straight, 10". 26 20 Track. Straight, short lengths. 15 21 Track, accessory. Fixed 4 port 90 degree cross. 2 22 Track, accessory. Raised road crossing. 1 23 Track, accessory. Switch, 3 port, right. 2 24 Track, accessory. Switch, 3 port, left. 2 25 Track, accessory. Track trip. American Flyer 26671. 1 26 Track, accessory. Track terminal. American Flyer 707. 3? 27 Track, accessory. Assorted. 9 28 Prop., static. Billboard. 2 29 Prop., static. Billboard w/diesel horn. 1 30 Prop., static. Garage. 1 31 Prop., static. Railroad crossing w/lights. 1 32 Prop., static. Citizens. Plasticville 1619, in original box. 1 33 Prop., static. Church. Plasticville 1600, in original box. 1 34 Prop., static. Factory. Plasticville 1906, in original box. 1 35 Prop., static. Automobile. Plastic. 3 36 Switch control. Dual lever. American Flyer. (Levers missing). 1 37 Switch control. Dual lever w/lights. American Flyer. 1 38 Switch control. One button. American Flyer, mail pickup. 1 39 Switch control. Two button. American Flyer, cow on track. 1 40 Switch control. One button. American Flyer, uncoupler. 1 41 Misc., cow. Remotely controlled. American Flyer. 1 42 Misc., trestle set. Track supports. 18 pieces in set. 1 43 Misc., crossing guard assembly Remotely controlled. (Roof missing). {Crossing guard per se is bent but is of a flexible material that can be easily straightened.} 1 The text version above is not quite as nicely arranged in columns as the Word version but I hope that it gets the idea across. Best Regards, Pat O'Sullivan Pat O'Sullivan <pat_osullivan_email@...> wrote: Hello S-Trains Folks, I have an American Flyer train set that I would like to sell. It has been in storage for many years. I've gone back and forth on rather to try to restore or to sell this set. Given available time and other factors I've finally decided to sell this set. While things generally appear to be intact or unbroken (exceptions are noted in the inventory list), this set needs a lot of TLC. For example, the track is rusty. Assume that mechanical or electrical components such as the engines, for example, would need reconditioning. This set is offered strictly "as is". Please find attached an inventory list. This set is offered as a single lot. The highest acceptable bid takes all. Best Regards, Pat O'Sullivan 760.940.8355 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pdf name=AmericanFlyerList-3.pdf --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28080	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: 1946 VIRGINIAN HOPPER FOR SALE-ALL ORGINAL PARTS-NOTHING BROKEN

Hi Gang...thinning out my AF stock: 1946 VIRGINIAN HOPPER FOR SALE-ALL ORGINAL PARTS-NOTHING BROKEN OR MISSING, great lettering, link non-weighted couplers. Please email me if interested @ JNR59@... with your offer. Thanks much, Jack Riely Lake St. Louis, MO P.S. Will be happy to send a jpeg pix only to those interested [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28081	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Lemax train shop...& " Pairie Home Companion"

Picked up Lemax's "Roger's Model Trains" building today....30% off, plus an extra 25% off!! Any Pairie Home Companion listeners out there?? They are In San Luis Obispo, CA....near me, I'm going to the second show (8pm),.. not the live one that they broadcast..,..on RIGHT now!! (3:05 CA time) I can't wait,..should be great to see Garrison Keillor . Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28082	From: waldootten	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Lemax train shop...& " Pairie Home Companion"

> Picked up Lemax's "Roger's Model Trains" building today....30% off, plus an > extra 25% off!! ___________________________________________________________________ Consider yerself lucky. I went to two different "Michael's" today and both were sold out of the Roger's Model Trains store. I hope they get some more in. You think just like I do, as soon as I saw it in CTT, I knew I hadda have one. Plus, my wife gave me a 50% off coupon good for one item only. The coupons supposedly were not good on stuff already marked down, though. But I did buy a bunch of LeMax street lights. spot lights, RR crossing signals and the AC adapters. Got 30% off on all of it. Should look good all lighted up in the Christmas portion of my layout. The kid in me loves colored and flashing lights... Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28083	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Lemax train shop...& " Pairie Home Companion"

I picked up my Rogers last week in Orlando....Yesterday I found a lighted Toy Store at lowes......Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldootten" <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lemax train shop...& " Pairie Home Companion" > > Picked up Lemax's "Roger's Model Trains" building today....30% > off, plus an > > extra 25% off!! > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Consider yerself lucky. I went to two different "Michael's" today > and both were sold out of the Roger's Model Trains store. I hope > they get some more in. You think just like I do, as soon as I saw it > in CTT, I knew I hadda have one. Plus, my wife gave me a 50% off > coupon good for one item only. The coupons supposedly were not good > on stuff already marked down, though. > > But I did buy a bunch of LeMax street lights. spot lights, RR > crossing signals and the AC adapters. Got 30% off on all of it. > Should look good all lighted up in the Christmas portion of my > layout. The kid in me loves colored and flashing lights... > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28084	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?

I'm about to make my first purchase on ebay, and, of course, they throw up this thing called PayPal with the usual agreement that is a mile long and probably filled with legalese. (Not that I read it. I believe in doing business informally and I don't spend time with lawyer created interference). I want to pay with a credit card, why do I have to use PayPal? I'd appreciate some guidance here. Peter Ervin Cumberland, Maryland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28085	From: larryasp	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?

Paypal will take a 2 percent fee of any sale you make - that is - if you sell someone an item, and they pay you with Paypal, Paypal takes 2 percent of your sale. When dealing in foreign currency exchange, they pay less than the bank rates on exchange, usually about 2 per cent - so be sure you deal in US dollars all the time. They do not have a sliding scale fee - so if you have a big sale - it hurts. However - they are convenient - you dont have to make a trip to the bank - you could save a lot of gas money, not worry about banking hours - and come out ahead that way- its quick - and shortens the time it takes to get the article out. They are NOT a bank. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? > I'm about to make my first purchase on ebay, and, of course, they throw up > this thing called PayPal with the usual agreement that is a mile long and > probably filled with legalese. (Not that I read it. I believe in doing > business informally and I don't spend time with lawyer created > interference). I want to pay with a credit card, why do I have to use PayPal? > > I'd appreciate some guidance here. > > Peter Ervin > Cumberland, Maryland > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28086	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?

I dropped the use of paypal due to the simple fact that they wanted me to agree to TOTAL ACCESS at anytime they felt it was deemed necessary by them to my CHECKING ACCOUNT....Supposed they pulled out 500.00 for any reason....i might have 50 checks bounce at 30......1500.00 in service charges possible....BUT THEY WOULD SAY THEY ARE SORRY WHEN THEY PUT THE FUNDS BACK!!!!!!!!! Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "larryasp" <larry.asp@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? > Paypal will take a 2 percent fee of any sale you make - that is - if you > sell someone an item, and they pay you with Paypal, Paypal takes 2 percent > of your sale. When dealing in foreign currency exchange, they pay less than > the bank rates on exchange, usually about 2 per cent - so be sure you deal > in US dollars all the time. They do not have a sliding scale fee - so if you > have a big sale - it hurts. However - they are convenient - you dont have to > make a trip to the bank - you could save a lot of gas money, not worry > about banking hours - and come out ahead that way- its quick - and shortens > the time it takes to get the article out. They are NOT a bank. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:39 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? > > > > I'm about to make my first purchase on ebay, and, of course, they throw up > > this thing called PayPal with the usual agreement that is a mile long and > > probably filled with legalese. (Not that I read it. I believe in doing > > business informally and I don't spend time with lawyer created > > interference). I want to pay with a credit card, why do I have to use > PayPal? > > > > I'd appreciate some guidance here. > > > > Peter Ervin > > Cumberland, Maryland > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28087	From: the Reis's	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?

I just set up a PayPal account after about 3 years on EBAY. The transactions are all free unless I want to upgrade my account which lets me accept Credit card payments. (that's where the percentages below kick in I Believe.) I opened a new Checking account for it in a different bank from where I have my other money. Kind of a toy money account. I can regulate how much is in there. (checking accounts are free in this area) I tied everything to my P.O. Box which is where I do any buying/selling through. I stopped short of giving them a credit card but may give them the Visa-Debit card off this account as one. I have sold some things off of these lists where the $ transfer was very easy through Pay-Pal. Like Larry said it really is convenient. I have run into a couple of small companies that use it as it is a cheap way for them to accept credit cards. So-Far So-Good. Eric Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: robert allen conner [mailto:rcon7@...] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 5:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Peter Ervin; larryasp Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? I dropped the use of paypal due to the simple fact that they wanted me to agree to TOTAL ACCESS at anytime they felt it was deemed necessary by them to my CHECKING ACCOUNT....Supposed they pulled out 500.00 for any reason....i might have 50 checks bounce at 30......1500.00 in service charges possible....BUT THEY WOULD SAY THEY ARE SORRY WHEN THEY PUT THE FUNDS BACK!!!!!!!!! Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "larryasp" <larry.asp@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? > Paypal will take a 2 percent fee of any sale you make - that is - if you > sell someone an item, and they pay you with Paypal, Paypal takes 2 percent > of your sale. When dealing in foreign currency exchange, they pay less than > the bank rates on exchange, usually about 2 per cent - so be sure you deal > in US dollars all the time. They do not have a sliding scale fee - so if you > have a big sale - it hurts. However - they are convenient - you dont have to > make a trip to the bank - you could save a lot of gas money, not worry > about banking hours - and come out ahead that way- its quick - and shortens > the time it takes to get the article out. They are NOT a bank. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:39 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? > > > > I'm about to make my first purchase on ebay, and, of course, they throw up > > this thing called PayPal with the usual agreement that is a mile long and > > probably filled with legalese. (Not that I read it. I believe in doing > > business informally and I don't spend time with lawyer created > > interference). I want to pay with a credit card, why do I have to use > PayPal? > > > > I'd appreciate some guidance here. > > > > Peter Ervin > > Cumberland, Maryland > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28088	From: Dan	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?

I have used PayPal for about two years to SEND payments. I like it. I have had no trouble. It is quicker and more convenient than mailing a check. Also the seller doesn't have to wait for your check to clear, so you get your purchase sooner. When using PayPal to RECEIVE payments, things get a little more complicated. They take about 2% for their services. Still it is more convenient than cashing checks. When signing up for PayPal, I think they ask for your checking account info. Somebody on the list suggested having a different "play" checking account with just a few dollars in it. I like this idea. If PayPal's security were ever compromised, it is remotely possible that somebody could clean out your checking account. Having a separate account would prevent that. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? > I'm about to make my first purchase on ebay, and, of course, they throw up > this thing called PayPal with the usual agreement that is a mile long and > probably filled with legalese. (Not that I read it. I believe in doing > business informally and I don't spend time with lawyer created > interference). I want to pay with a credit card, why do I have to use PayPal? > > I'd appreciate some guidance here. > > Peter Ervin > Cumberland, Maryland > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28089	From: Tim	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?

Hi Dan, I have only one argument; using PayPal to pay for things you buy off eBay does not guarantee that the seller will ship quicker. I have paid using PayPal only to find the seller sitting on the item until he has a bundle of shipments to make. Some sellers only make one or two trips to the post office, or wherever, a week. Some, not all. There have been instances where I wish I would have sent a check or money order, for all the good an instant payment did to hasten shipping. We can only hope such occurrences are the exception. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: Peter Ervin ; s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? I have used PayPal for about two years to SEND payments. I like it. I have had no trouble. It is quicker and more convenient than mailing a check. Also the seller doesn't have to wait for your check to clear, so you get your purchase sooner. When using PayPal to RECEIVE payments, things get a little more complicated. They take about 2% for their services. Still it is more convenient than cashing checks. When signing up for PayPal, I think they ask for your checking account info. Somebody on the list suggested having a different "play" checking account with just a few dollars in it. I like this idea. If PayPal's security were ever compromised, it is remotely possible that somebody could clean out your checking account. Having a separate account would prevent that. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? > I'm about to make my first purchase on ebay, and, of course, they throw up > this thing called PayPal with the usual agreement that is a mile long and > probably filled with legalese. (Not that I read it. I believe in doing > business informally and I don't spend time with lawyer created > interference). I want to pay with a credit card, why do I have to use PayPal? > > I'd appreciate some guidance here. > > Peter Ervin > Cumberland, Maryland > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28090	From: Mike Vana	Date: 11/29/2003
Subject: Some Thoughts about "Original" Sets

The discussion about original condition of items, especially sets, is interesting to me. As a combination operator and collector, I've done a lot of reflecting on the subject, and came to the conclusion that every individual has his (or her) own idea of what is right, since no two collectors are going to think alike. I can understand people wanting the set box and everything, but personally I'm happy just to have the trains. It always gets my curiosity when browsing through Ebay and someone lists an "American Flyer Train Set". So vague, but you have no idea what it is until you look. If somebody lists a set number, you have a better idea, but they could always have added to the set or lost something from it. To me, when somebody sells only the train - locomotive(s) and cars - and not the track, transformer, track clip, etc., and calls it a set, technically it really is not the whole set, although most really want just the train. I know a guy who got together the individual pieces and sold "sets" that way. As one who grew up in the 1960's and really missed the "golden age" of AF trains being sold new in stores, I was really impressed by the Greenberg volume III book on American Flyer sets. Most said "D. Bagby" collection and he sure had lots of mostly mint sets with boxes and everything. I've seen a collection that was mostly boxed sets, and it was interesting, but you can't enjoy it as much as seeing the trains on a layout, or even shelves. Certainly, stores made substitutions in sets, which I am sure has caused confusion. One example is a Missouri Pacific freight set made in 1959-60 that we (my Dad, next younger brother and I) acquired in practically perfect condition for a mere $20 back around 1970. Years later, when I finally had access to a catalog, the catalog showed the set with a 24036 NH boxcar and not a 24039 Rio Grande boxcar like we got with it. The seller, who was the original owner, bought the set for his daughter, and I know that it wasn't bought with collecting in mind. She probably liked the 24039 "Cookie Box" car more, so they got it that way. A friend of mine who likes Lionel told the story of when he was a kid, he didn't like the name "Rutland", so when his parents bought him a train set that had the Rutland boxcar, it was swapped out for some other car. He later did regretted his decision, and acquired a Rutland boxcar years later.. I mix equipment and don't limit myself to only running trains from the sets. About four years ago on my layout, though, I videotaped the trains from all the cataloged sets, substituting something close where I didn't have a certain number engine or car. It is neat to see the trains from the catalogs in action, although I shot everything on the same curve, so after a while it gets sort of boring, to me anyway. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28091	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Linda Dewey in Hospital

Hi all, Linda is in the hospital tonite (this morning--we started out in the emergency waiting room at 5:15PM, she got into her room at 2:30 AM.) with a blood clot just above her knee in her right leg. They think they can treat it with drugs, but only time will tell. More info as I have it. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28092	From: beechcricker	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Switch (720A) Issue

I have a RH #720A switch that is giving me some train operation problems. The rail on the frog at its narrow end rides a little high vis-a-vis the adjoining black plastic "rail" that is molded into the base of the switch itself. The result is that I often have stalls when I operate such that this is a trailing point switch or derailments if it is a facing point switch. Should I: (1) File down the end of the rail on the frog, (2) Remove the frog and try to reseat it lower, or (3) Other? What are your suggestions for accomplishing your choice of one of the above? I must say (2) makes me nervous. Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28093	From: AF336	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Pics Posted Re:On the subject of Ebay

http://perryisp.net/~mkiner/dishonest.htm I posted the actual pictures of the items. Some of them are a little blurry, but the problems are visible. I apologize that some of the pics are large. Let me know if you think this grades at an E. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28094	From: theheadliner	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?

--- On Sat 11/29, Peter Ervin < pjervin@... > wrote: From: Peter Ervin [mailto: pjervin@...] Subject: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? I'm about to make my first purchase on ebay, and, of course, they throw up <br>this thing called PayPal with the usual agreement that is a mile long and <br>probably filled with legalese.... ============= I have been using PayPal since the first went on line. I have never had any trouble. I used it at first to buy with but when I started selling I started using it for that. They now belong to eBay and are just as sound as eBay. As a seller, it is the only method of accepting credit cards that is affordable. To accept credit card payments you must use a processing company to do it. PayPal's fee is only a fraction of other processing companies. Actually as a seller, one gets a better class buyer through PayPal. There is never any worry about a bounced check (which I have received) and it is immediate payment. I can ship first thing the morning after I sell an item. It is amazing the number of persons who send checks that will wait 2 weeks to send it and then you just get a check in an envelope with not one word about what it is for. This means you have to use trial and error to find the buyer. If you have two or three for the same amount outstanding you have to write everyone to see who sent the check. The small fee is WELL WORTH it. I wish everyone used PayPal. Jerry Hiett _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28095	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: [S trains] Box cars

Could someone list all of the box cars that have doors that open, and those that do not open. I realize that the refrigerated cars do not have doors that open - At least I have never seen any. Thanks folks. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28096	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Box cars

I see 2 on the shelf now....The GN and the CNR Reefers with sliding doors....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <WEG138@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] [S trains] Box cars > Could someone list all of the box cars that have doors that open, and those > that do not open. I realize that the refrigerated cars do not have doors that > open - At least I have never seen any. Thanks folks. > Bill Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28097	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28098	From: robert allen conner	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: Pics Posted Re:On the subject of Ebay

TCA grade would be vg....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "AF336" <AF336@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Pics Posted Re:On the subject of Ebay > > http://perryisp.net/~mkiner/dishonest.htm > > I posted the actual pictures of the items. Some of them are a little blurry, > but the problems are visible. I apologize that some of the pics are large. > > Let me know if you think this grades at an E. > > Mark > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28099	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or.......

I'm using American Flyer tracks with AF switches(turnouts). I've seen some comments about problems with the AF switches(turnouts). If I replace my AFs which company's would be the easiest? Which company's would be the most practical for a beginner?Thanks ! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28100	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Box cars

There are reefers with opening doors. I have at least a couple but too lazy to walk to the basement and get the numbers. Think the Wabash/ART reefer was one. An oddity is the Lionel Dairy plug door box car, which is a boxcar body with reefer doors. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; <WEG138@...> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] [S trains] Box cars > I see 2 on the shelf now....The GN and the CNR Reefers with sliding > doors....Bob Conner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <WEG138@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:58 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] [S trains] Box cars > > > > Could someone list all of the box cars that have doors that open, and > those > > that do not open. I realize that the refrigerated cars do not have doors > that > > open - At least I have never seen any. Thanks folks. > > Bill Greaves > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28101	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: [S trains] Box cars

**(((Could someone list all of the box cars that have doors that open, and those that do not open. I realize that the refrigerated cars do not have doors that open - At least I have never seen any. Thanks folks.))*** Whew! That's quite an order to fill Bill!! Unless one of us out there has a great memory or have them ALL lined up on shelves! I have the big Greenberg book that shows info and some photos,... anything in particular you needed to know? A few reefers DO have a sliding door that opens...as the 947, 988, and a few more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28102	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?

Most of the sellers do not have a credit card account. So they use Pay pal. I have used it but do not like it and probably not use it again' On Saturday, November 29, 2003, at 07:39 PM, Peter Ervin wrote: > I'm about to make my first purchase on ebay, and, of course, they > throw up > this thing called PayPal with the usual agreement that is a mile long > and > probably filled with legalese. (Not that I read it. I believe in > doing > business informally and I don't spend time with lawyer created > interference). I want to pay with a credit card, why do I have to use > PayPal? > > I'd appreciate some guidance here. > > Peter Ervin > Cumberland, Maryland > Thank you Larry Jackman I don't who you are fat man. Get that sleigh and reindeer of my roof.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28103	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?

We use PayPal for sending & receiving. Actually, PayPal only takes the 1.something % for the service if the buyer uses a credit card for the payment. If they are paying directly from the PayPal account, there is no charge. Not only is this convenient & safe (as safe as anything on the internet - you have to have common sense & ignore the spoof messages you get. Many secure sites have been plagued by these spoof messages - I know that eBay, & Earthlink have. NEVER give account information in answer to an email seemingly sent by PayPal. PayPal NEVER asks for information this way. This includes having you click a link to access a page for info. This is fraudlent & PayPal, Earthlink, & eBay don't ask for info this way. Pardon the speech), but it provides both seller & buyer with some protections if there is a problem with a sale. -----Original Message----- From: Dan <dbrindell@...> Sent: Nov 29, 2003 8:46 PM To: Peter Ervin <pjervin@...>, s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? I have used PayPal for about two years to SEND payments. I like it. I have had no trouble. It is quicker and more convenient than mailing a check. Also the seller doesn't have to wait for your check to clear, so you get your purchase sooner. When using PayPal to RECEIVE payments, things get a little more complicated. They take about 2% for their services. Still it is more convenient than cashing checks. When signing up for PayPal, I think they ask for your checking account info. Somebody on the list suggested having a different "play" checking account with just a few dollars in it. I like this idea. If PayPal's security were ever compromised, it is remotely possible that somebody could clean out your checking account. Having a separate account would prevent that. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ervin" <pjervin@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Is PayPal on ebay a good idea? > I'm about to make my first purchase on ebay, and, of course, they throw up > this thing called PayPal with the usual agreement that is a mile long and > probably filled with legalese. (Not that I read it. I believe in doing > business informally and I don't spend time with lawyer created > interference). I want to pay with a credit card, why do I have to use PayPal? > > I'd appreciate some guidance here. > > Peter Ervin > Cumberland, Maryland > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Please visit our auctions http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=diningcar Cindy & Hank Buehling The Dining Car

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28104	From: David Avedesian	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or.......

Dear Bill: I would not be so quick to condemn the AF switches. On my last layout I had 100 operating AF switches that were driven by a capacity discharge (CD) system. My layout was over 10 years old. I would consider my AF switches to work flawless over that period. However, we all know that AF switches have their issues. The biggest issue is the size and location of the 'dog house'. I had a couple of AF switch locations that required that I cut the 'dog house' out and put an under the layout switch motor. I also had two old style gargarves switches that were powered by a Del-Aire system. I was very pleased with the set up. If you want to change because you want a different look, then do as you wish. If you are trying for flawless AF switch operation, I would do the following: 1) Install the largest CD system you can find 2) If you a CD system, the lights need to be powered from a separate power supply 3) Open each switch from the bottom and with an eraser clean the contact points 4) When the bottom is off, note the location of all jumper wires and solder the brass rail clips to the rail. This will ensure positive electrical conductivity through the switch (this will devalue the resale value). If you have any questions, feel free to em me. David Avedesian -----Original Message----- From: WEG138@... [mailto:WEG138@...] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or....... I'm using American Flyer tracks with AF switches(turnouts). I've seen some comments about problems with the AF switches(turnouts). If I replace my AFs which company's would be the easiest? Which company's would be the most practical for a beginner?Thanks ! Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28105	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2082

In a message dated 11/30/03 11:04:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 03:47:57 -0800 > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > David, I'm sorry to hear about your wife. My prayers are with her. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28106	From: Chris	Date: 11/30/2003
Subject: Prairie Home Companion

Any Pairie Home Companion listeners out there?? They are In San Luis Obispo, CA....near me Saw the show live about 10 years ago, Christmas Day, in New York City. Garrison read my written comments on the air. I still have it on tape. I had a tape running on public radio WNYC, at home. Very cool. Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28107	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or.......

Hi David......just curious to hear what exactly is involved with the "CD" system, are we just talking about installing capacitors across the coils of the switch machines or something more involved? Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Avedesian" <david.avedesian@...> To: <WEG138@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or....... > Dear Bill: > > I would not be so quick to condemn the AF switches. On my last layout I > had 100 operating AF switches that were driven by a capacity discharge > (CD) system. My layout was over 10 years old. I would consider my AF > switches to work flawless over that period. > > However, we all know that AF switches have their issues. The biggest > issue is the size and location of the 'dog house'. I had a couple of AF > switch locations that required that I cut the 'dog house' out and put an > under the layout switch motor. > > I also had two old style gargarves switches that were powered by a > Del-Aire system. I was very pleased with the set up. > > If you want to change because you want a different look, then do as you > wish. If you are trying for flawless AF switch operation, I would do > the following: > > 1) Install the largest CD system you can find > 2) If you a CD system, the lights need to be powered from a > separate power supply > 3) Open each switch from the bottom and with an eraser > clean the contact points > 4) When the bottom is off, note the location of all jumper > wires and solder the brass rail clips to the rail. This will > ensure positive electrical conductivity through the switch > (this will devalue the resale value). > > If you have any questions, feel free to em me. > > David Avedesian > > -----Original Message----- > From: WEG138@... [mailto:WEG138@...] > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:07 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper > or....... > > I'm using American Flyer tracks with AF switches(turnouts). I've seen > some > comments about problems with the AF switches(turnouts). > If I replace my AFs which company's would be the easiest? Which > company's > would be the most practical for a beginner?Thanks ! > > > Bill Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28108	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or.......

Actually a CD system is pretty simple to install. A CD system stores energy and then it is released in a burst to drive the twin coils. I had a CD system installed between my transformer and my AF switch control panel. You can make one or buy one from an electronics mfgr. David -----Original Message----- From: Kielek Family [mailto:mkielek@...] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:07 AM To: David Avedesian; WEG138@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or....... Hi David......just curious to hear what exactly is involved with the "CD" system, are we just talking about installing capacitors across the coils of the switch machines or something more involved? Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Avedesian" <david.avedesian@...> To: <WEG138@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or....... > Dear Bill: > > I would not be so quick to condemn the AF switches. On my last layout I > had 100 operating AF switches that were driven by a capacity discharge > (CD) system. My layout was over 10 years old. I would consider my AF > switches to work flawless over that period. > > However, we all know that AF switches have their issues. The biggest > issue is the size and location of the 'dog house'. I had a couple of AF > switch locations that required that I cut the 'dog house' out and put an > under the layout switch motor. > > I also had two old style gargarves switches that were powered by a > Del-Aire system. I was very pleased with the set up. > > If you want to change because you want a different look, then do as you > wish. If you are trying for flawless AF switch operation, I would do > the following: > > 1) Install the largest CD system you can find > 2) If you a CD system, the lights need to be powered from a > separate power supply > 3) Open each switch from the bottom and with an eraser > clean the contact points > 4) When the bottom is off, note the location of all jumper > wires and solder the brass rail clips to the rail. This will > ensure positive electrical conductivity through the switch > (this will devalue the resale value). > > If you have any questions, feel free to em me. > > David Avedesian > > -----Original Message----- > From: WEG138@... [mailto:WEG138@...] > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:07 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper > or....... > > I'm using American Flyer tracks with AF switches(turnouts). I've seen > some > comments about problems with the AF switches(turnouts). > If I replace my AFs which company's would be the easiest? Which > company's > would be the most practical for a beginner?Thanks ! > > > Bill Greaves > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28109	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: S.A.F.E.Train show

To All, The Suncoast American Flyer Enthusiasts ( S. A. F. E.) Will be having their annual Toy Train Show and Swap Meet this Saturday Dec. 6th. It will be held at the Knights Of Columbus Hall in Pinellas Park, FL. 7177 58th.St.N. Time:10:00 am to 4:00 pm. Admission: Adults $3 Kids 12 & under $1 (6 & under free) for more information call John Phipps @727-345-8451. Happy Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28110	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Switch (720A) Issue

I have had some success with this type of problem by "repairing" warped switch bases. This means finding the high spot and fastening it down with a screw into the train table. This usually requires a new hole somewhere on the switch. Obviously this is a problem with collector grade switches- your decision. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "beechcricker" <BeechCrRR@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Switch (720A) Issue > I have a RH #720A switch that is giving me some train operation > problems. The rail on the frog at its narrow end rides a little high > vis-a-vis the adjoining black plastic "rail" that is molded into the > base of the switch itself. The result is that I often have stalls > when I operate such that this is a trailing point switch or > derailments if it is a facing point switch. Should I: > > (1) File down the end of the rail on the frog, > (2) Remove the frog and try to reseat it lower, or > (3) Other? > > What are your suggestions for accomplishing your choice of one of the > above? I must say (2) makes me nervous. > > Jeff Feldmeier > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28111	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2079

The Rocky Mountain T.C.A. Module group has some gargraves AF track for sale. I have been told a box of 35ea , 3'-0" sections for $50 + shipping. If any one is interested contact me off line and I will put you in contact with a group member. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28112	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2082

Reading all of the posts about E-Bay. All E-Bay sellers nickle and dimeing each sale. Some more honest than others. Just returned from a 300 table meet in Denver. You can pick up the item you are interested in, test run it, haggle a little with the owner, ask all of the questions you want about the item, pay cash or a check if you are a member in good standing with T.C.A. The money you save in shipping pay pal fees, will help to pay for a nice week end out at a train show. Good buys at the end of the shows. A lot of fun shows around the U.S. Just my way of buying trains. Jerry 77-11744 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28113	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper or.......

What's the advantage of a CD system over powering with a conventional fixed AC voltage? Don't you have to be careful with any type of large capacitance to avoid a potentially dangerous discharge of the stored energy? Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Avedesian" <david.avedesian@c...> wrote: > > > Actually a CD system is pretty simple to install. A CD system stores > energy and then it is released in a burst to drive the twin coils. I > had a CD system installed between my transformer and my AF switch > control panel. You can make one or buy one from an electronics mfgr. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kielek Family [mailto:mkielek@s...] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:07 AM > To: David Avedesian; WEG138@a...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] [S trains] Switches - American Models or S > helper or....... > > Hi David......just curious to hear what exactly is involved with the > "CD" > system, are we just talking about installing capacitors across the coils > of > the switch machines or something more involved? > Al Kielek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Avedesian" <david.avedesian@c...> > To: <WEG138@a...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 5:49 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] [S trains] Switches - American Models or S > helper > or....... > > > > Dear Bill: > > > > I would not be so quick to condemn the AF switches. On my last layout > I > > had 100 operating AF switches that were driven by a capacity discharge > > (CD) system. My layout was over 10 years old. I would consider my AF > > switches to work flawless over that period. > > > > However, we all know that AF switches have their issues. The biggest > > issue is the size and location of the 'dog house'. I had a couple of > AF > > switch locations that required that I cut the 'dog house' out and put > an > > under the layout switch motor. > > > > I also had two old style gargarves switches that were powered by a > > Del-Aire system. I was very pleased with the set up. > > > > If you want to change because you want a different look, then do as > you > > wish. If you are trying for flawless AF switch operation, I would do > > the following: > > > > 1) Install the largest CD system you can find > > 2) If you a CD system, the lights need to be powered from a > > separate power supply > > 3) Open each switch from the bottom and with an eraser > > clean the contact points > > 4) When the bottom is off, note the location of all jumper > > wires and solder the brass rail clips to the rail. This will > > ensure positive electrical conductivity through the switch > > (this will devalue the resale value). > > > > If you have any questions, feel free to em me. > > > > David Avedesian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: WEG138@a... [mailto:WEG138@a...] > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:07 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] [S trains] Switches - American Models or S helper > > or....... > > > > I'm using American Flyer tracks with AF switches(turnouts). I've seen > > some > > comments about problems with the AF switches(turnouts). > > If I replace my AFs which company's would be the easiest? Which > > company's > > would be the most practical for a beginner?Thanks ! > > > > > > Bill Greaves > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28114	From: Art	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Talking Station

Hi: I recently acquired a talking station and thanks to parts from Doug Peck it is now talking. The only remaining problem is that the arm that raises and lowers the needle and reproducer onto the record does not lower without manual assistance. It raises just fine, but apparently the weight of the reproducer is not sufficient to overcome years of dirt build up to lower the arm. Since I would like to include this on a layout for a musuem open house this Saturday, I am looking for quick fix, if possible. I am thinking about using some WD-40 to try to loosen the arm at the pivot point, any other ideas? Thanks in advance for your help. Art Goodell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28115	From: ljack70117@adelphia.net	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?

Question. If I use my Bank One credit through Pay Pal and they charge you 2%, Who does My credit car company charge their 4 to 8%? They are going to get paid also and it is not me the user. On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 06:55 PM, theheadliner wrote: > > I have been using PayPal since the first went on line. I have never > had any trouble. I used it at first to buy with but when I started > selling I started using it for that. They now belong to eBay and are > just as sound as eBay. > > As a seller, it is the only method of accepting credit cards that is > affordable. To accept credit card payments you must use a processing > company to do it. PayPal's fee is only a fraction of other processing > companies. > > Actually as a seller, one gets a better class buyer through PayPal. > There is never any worry about a bounced check (which I have received) > and it is immediate payment. I can ship first thing the morning after > I sell an item. It is amazing the number of persons who send checks > that will wait 2 weeks to send it and then you just get a check in an > envelope with not one word about what it is for. This means you have > to use trial and error to find the buyer. If you have two or three for > the same amount outstanding you have to write everyone to see who sent > the check. > > The small fee is WELL WORTH it. I wish everyone used PayPal. > > Jerry Hiett Thank you Larry Jackman I don't who you are fat man. Get that sleigh and raindeer of my roof.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28116	From: knockbill	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Digest 2082

Hi I agree with Jerry, Here in SE PA., we have to decide which show to go to this time of year (there are shows all year long)..... However, I'm sure not everyone has the same accessability as we do, so its ebay or nothing...I've never personally delt with ebay, I'm sure I've bought stuff from someone at a show that got it on ebay.... But like everything else, I'm sure it has pros & cons... Just try to avoid the "cons" Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28117	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Now What Do I do ..????

DARN...Its Dec 1..and as of a few hours ago I have completed my last Shift as Capt at #12 Firehall Vancouver Fire Rescue...I AM RETIRED..!!!..ME..????????>>>>OH LORD>>NOW WHAT DO I DO..???..Now I know why the Horses stood in front of the wagons every time they heard the bell .....snif...snif..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28118	From: jackotrains	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: A.F Pony Express Set

While shopping this pass weekend, I visited Nicholas Smith Trains in Broomall, Pa and he had a Mint still sealed from 1990 Lionel American Flyer Pony Express set priced at $595.00. I purchased it and now I would like to know if this was a fair price for this set.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28119	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Now What Do I do ..????

Well, "Smokey"...good for you!! How many years did ya have in?? More time for trains!!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28120	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: A.F Pony Express Set

***(((1990 Lionel American Flyer Pony Express set priced at $595.00. )))*** Do you have a set number?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28121	From: TCS	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

782 MRS 62' beer car. 7-80 http://mopac1.tripod.com/782.gif 783 MKT 40' boxcar. 7-71 http://mopac1.tripod.com/783.gif 784 MD&W 50' boxcar. 9-76 http://mopac1.tripod.com/784.gif 785 ARMN 57' mec reefer. 7-64 http://mopac1.tripod.com/785.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28122	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: A.F Pony Express Set

I think I found it....this it?? UP "Pony Express" set from 1990-----new~~~$610.00. Not sure of the going price now. Rick. ***((((While shopping this pass weekend, I visited Nicholas Smith Trains in Broomall, Pa and he had a Mint still sealed from 1990 Lionel American Flyer Pony Express set priced at $595.00. I purchased it and now I would like to know if this was a fair price for this set.))**** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28123	From: AF336	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2082

Denver is a 9 hr plus drive for me. St Louis is around 8. Dallas is 5 hrs Not all of us have good alternatives to ebay. -----Original Message----- From: Gerald R Dobbs Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:47 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2082 Reading all of the posts about E-Bay. All E-Bay sellers nickle and dimeing each sale. Some more honest than others. Just returned from a 300 table meet in Denver. You can pick up the item you are interested in, test run it, haggle a little with the owner, ask all of the questions you want about the item, pay cash or a check if you are a member in good standing with T.C.A. The money you save in shipping pay pal fees, will help to pay for a nice week end out at a train show. Good buys at the end of the shows. A lot of fun shows around the U.S. Just my way of buying trains. Jerry 77-11744

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28124	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: A.F Pony Express Set

I wrote~~~"(((UP "Pony Express" set from 1990-----new~~~$610.00. (2003 guide) Not sure of the going price now.)))" According to the front of the little Greenberg price guide,....it says... "In the Lionel section, values are given for items in New condition". Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28125	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2082

***((( A lot of fun shows around the U.S. Just my way of buying trains.)))*** Yep! I love a good show!! I just missed a good one north of me in CA..... ...but the good shows are anywhere from three to five hours away!! One show I always go to is down in Santa Barbara, CA....only a couple of hours away. I have gotten good deals on eBay, maybe better then at shows,...but I miss the train show excitement!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28126	From: waldootten	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: A.F Pony Express Set

> While shopping this pass weekend, I visited Nicholas Smith Trains > in Broomall, Pa and he had a Mint still sealed from 1990 Lionel > American Flyer Pony Express set priced at $595.00. I purchased it > and now I would like to know if this was a fair price for this set. In a word, yes. I have four of these UP sets (A-A and four passenger cars) NIB with the original shrink wrap intact and paid anywhere from $525 to $640 for them on eBay (add $10 to $20 shipping costs, subtract about $45 in sales tax on $600) over the past two years, according to my records. I've seen them on many dealer tables at shows with $750 asking prices for NIB and $675 for LN. Of course, those prices do allow for a little "wiggle-room" of maybe 5 to 10 percent off. So IMHO, you still done well. Your Pony Express set, along with the NP, MOPAC and Silver Flash, is one of the more desirable LTI/Flyer passenger sets these days. On the other hand, the easiest to find cheap is the WP. They musta made plenty of those, and they don't have the most exciting paint schemes. Also, the 1997 Santa Fe warbonnet passenger "set" is also getting hard to find -- as the locomotives and the cars were/are often sold separately. You may want to look for the extra UP passenger cars and the separate B unit with RailSounds to complete the set. The extra cars (three, I think) usuualy sell for about $85 to $120 and the B Unit for $125 to $160. I always keep an eye on these NIB sets and all AF stuff on eBay to get an idea of the current market prices. Sometimes they sell at a bargain price, sometimes for sums that are just nutty-high. Just remember the best advice on eBay transactions is "caveat emptor." Don't get caught in a bidding war. Bid no more than you're willing to pay. I only buy from people with high numbers of positive feedback and try to use PayPal as often as possible so I have some recourse. I never hesitate to buy something from a TCA member because you also have recourse with them in the event of a possible problem. (I do check my TCA membership list to ensure they indeed are actually a member. Anyone can claim such a thing on eBay.) Good luck and have fun! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28127	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Is PayPal on ebay a good idea?

when using bpAYPAL TO PAY YOUR e-bAY FEES. dO NOT USE THE EASY PAY YOUR FEES BUTTON USED BY pAYPAL & e-bAY. iNSTEAD USED THE PAY WITH CREDIT CARD OPTION & USE YOUR pAYpAL ACCOUT #. tHIS GIVES YOU BACK 11/2% ON THE CARD USAGE. yOU CAN DO THE SAME FOR ANY USE OF THE CARD IF YOU USE IT AS A CREDIT CARD & NOT A DEBIT CARD. mIKE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28128	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Now What Do I do ..????

How about building model buildings and setting them on fire!!!!....Come on....how many of us built a model plane...wound it up.....lit it with a match....and let it fly!!!!!!! Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Now What Do I do ..???? > DARN...Its Dec 1..and as of a few hours ago I have completed my last > Shift as Capt at #12 Firehall Vancouver Fire Rescue...I AM > RETIRED..!!!..ME..????????>>>>OH LORD>>NOW WHAT DO I DO..???..Now I > know why the Horses stood in front of the wagons every time they > heard the bell .....snif...snif.. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28129	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Now What Do I do ..????

You're weird, Bob! Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Now What Do I do ..???? > How about building model buildings and setting them on fire!!!!....Come > on....how many of us built a model plane...wound it up.....lit it with a > match....and let it fly!!!!!!! Bob Conner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:58 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Now What Do I do ..???? > > > > DARN...Its Dec 1..and as of a few hours ago I have completed my last > > Shift as Capt at #12 Firehall Vancouver Fire Rescue...I AM > > RETIRED..!!!..ME..????????>>>>OH LORD>>NOW WHAT DO I DO..???..Now I > > know why the Horses stood in front of the wagons every time they > > heard the bell .....snif...snif.. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28130	From: doug	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Talking Station

<<<I am thinking about using some WD-40 to try to loosen the arm at the pivot point, any other ideas? >>> Exactly! A pry with a tiny screwdriver behind the arm may help loosen it a bit, too. Actually....rather than WD40 (which will later attract and catch more dust), I'd first try tuner cleaner (which evaporates and leaves no residue). Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28131	From: larryasp	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Now What Do I do ..????

Take the AF train set up home when you leave. Join the TTOS group in Vancouver if you havnt already - and if you already belong, give my brother Brian a run for his money on those club auctions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Now What Do I do ..???? > DARN...Its Dec 1..and as of a few hours ago I have completed my last > Shift as Capt at #12 Firehall Vancouver Fire Rescue...I AM > RETIRED..!!!..ME..????????>>>>OH LORD>>NOW WHAT DO I DO..???..Now I > know why the Horses stood in front of the wagons every time they > heard the bell .....snif...snif.. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28132	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Now What Do I do ..????

Hey....my last model was a "speedee bilt" Hellcat....I put a firecracker in it with a long fuse....wound it up and let it fly out over the Elk river in WV....flew great for a while....Then BANG....that was about 1951.....Now those darn kits will cost you over 100.00 each....1.00 then...I know because I have paid over 400.00 for a kit....Turned down 1000.00 for 2 of them....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Edward G." <am-flyr@...>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Now What Do I do ..???? > You're weird, Bob! > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Now What Do I do ..???? > > > > How about building model buildings and setting them on fire!!!!....Come > > on....how many of us built a model plane...wound it up.....lit it with a > > match....and let it fly!!!!!!! Bob Conner > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:58 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Now What Do I do ..???? > > > > > > > DARN...Its Dec 1..and as of a few hours ago I have completed my last > > > Shift as Capt at #12 Firehall Vancouver Fire Rescue...I AM > > > RETIRED..!!!..ME..????????>>>>OH LORD>>NOW WHAT DO I DO..???..Now I > > > know why the Horses stood in front of the wagons every time they > > > heard the bell .....snif...snif.. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28133	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: Talking Station / Tuner Cleaner

Note, when using tuner cleaner try to keep it off any painted surfaces. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug" <doug@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Talking Station > <<<I am thinking about using some > WD-40 to try to loosen the arm at the pivot point, any other ideas? > >>> > > Exactly! A pry with a tiny screwdriver behind the arm may help loosen it a > bit, too. > Actually....rather than WD40 (which will later attract and catch more dust), > I'd first try tuner cleaner (which evaporates and leaves no residue). > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also > available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: > Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > Website: http://www.portlines.com > E-mail: doug@... > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28134	From: Tim	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: OFF TOPIC: Now What Do I do ..????

I used to make "UFOs". Here's how: take a plastic dry cleaner's bag; tape up the small slot for the hanger at the top to make the bag more air-tight; make a cross out of balsa wood slats - tied together with thread - to fit in the opening of the dry cleaner bag - with enough space to allow a part of the bag to be tied around each end of the cross arms; mount birthday candles - six per cross arm, using a drop or two of wax to hold them - on the cross arms; tie the cross arms into the bag with threads - with candles pointing into the bag; have someone hold the bag up; light the birthday candles; the bag rises up to about 400 feet, then winks out as one of the birthday candles burns through a cross arm. It must be done on an absolutely still night. I floated one out from a hill overlooking Indiana, PA in about 1970. They probably are still talking about it. Don't believe that it will work - try it! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: robert allen conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Edward G. ; rkuepper Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Now What Do I do ..???? Hey....my last model was a "speedee bilt" Hellcat....I put a firecracker in it with a long fuse....wound it up and let it fly out over the Elk river in WV....flew great for a while....Then BANG....that was about 1951.....Now those darn kits will cost you over 100.00 each....1.00 then...I know because I have paid over 400.00 for a kit....Turned down 1000.00 for 2 of them....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Edward G." <am-flyr@...>; "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Now What Do I do ..???? > You're weird, Bob! > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Now What Do I do ..???? > > > > How about building model buildings and setting them on fire!!!!....Come > > on....how many of us built a model plane...wound it up.....lit it with a > > match....and let it fly!!!!!!! Bob Conner > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Edward G." <am-flyr@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:58 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Now What Do I do ..???? > > > > > > > DARN...Its Dec 1..and as of a few hours ago I have completed my last > > > Shift as Capt at #12 Firehall Vancouver Fire Rescue...I AM > > > RETIRED..!!!..ME..????????>>>>OH LORD>>NOW WHAT DO I DO..???..Now I > > > know why the Horses stood in front of the wagons every time they > > > heard the bell .....snif...snif.. > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28135	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/1/2003
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Now What Do I do ..????

**(((I used to make "UFOs". Here's how: take a plastic dry cleaner's bag; )))*** Yep,...my buddy used to make those. (Late 60's I believe) He lived up on a little hill on the other side of town from me....he would call me and tell me when it was sending one up. Pretty cool!! Watching a glowing object, slowly lifting into the sky. Things would get dag-gum high!! And to Bob,.....I hung an old model of a B17 on a clothes line, loaded it with firecrackers!! Sometimes we made our little army men ride on a firecracker...boom!! Wheeeeeeeee...!!! And that was just last week!! Ok,..kiddin'..it was when I was a kid!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28136	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: He's Baaaaaaccck - - Yikes!

>>Your back ... I thought you were banned forever or something like that... You guys didn't really think this, did you??? I've been lurking a little, but not piping in. When I saw the Prairie Home Companion post, I wanted to comment. The response has been amazing. Thanx for all the e-mail guys. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28137	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: [S trains} Maglev

A Japanese maglev train reached 361mph according to a a news article today. Has anyone heard of a model train operator making a model Magvev layout? Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28138	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Now What Do I do ..????

Rick...where did the Hot Air come from to make them rise?...If you were at the bottom of the hill....Joking of course....Did tou all use a candle or hairdryer or what....Bob...UFO'S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] OFF TOPIC: Now What Do I do ..???? > **(((I used to make "UFOs". Here's how: take a plastic dry cleaner's bag; )))*** > > Yep,...my buddy used to make those. (Late 60's I believe) He lived up on a little hill on the other side of town from me....he would call me and tell me when it was sending one up. > Pretty cool!! Watching a glowing object, slowly lifting into the sky. > Things would get dag-gum high!! > > And to Bob,.....I hung an old model of a B17 on a clothes line, loaded it with firecrackers!! Sometimes we made our little army men ride on a firecracker...boom!! > Wheeeeeeeee...!!! And that was just last week!! Ok,..kiddin'..it was when I was a kid!! > > Rick. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28139	From: Bruce	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Portable layout photos

With Paul Yorke's patient help, I now have photos of my portable Flyer layout available on the web: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun61 It is two 4'x4' boards that make a 4'x8' layout. It is easily transported in the back of my minivan to set up at local train shows. I'm mentally working on a 6'x8' layout using the same concept (two 4'x6' boards) that will allow me to run two trains at once. BTW, I recently picked up a Model 7 transformer. What is the "14v to 21v" terminal pair used for? Bruce bdwillis@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28140	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: He's Baaaaaaccck - - Yikes!

**((((Your back ... I thought you were banned forever or something like that... You guys didn't really think this, did you???)))**** Chris WHOOOO?? Kidding, of course!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28141	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Portable Layout

Bruce has done a great job with this. A few years ago there was an article on a small, portable layout in the Digest. I had been playing mind games with it and your project has created some questions. 1.) It appears that you have sections of tract that you slip in when you assemble the board. Could these be installed permanently? Or would the resulting gap or the potential for damaging the rail ends be to great? 2.) Did you consider using dowels to locate the ends of the boards together? Matching holes would be drilled in butted stiffener boards. As you assemble them, you would insert the dowels. Then the sections could be held together with clamps or carriage bolts. When the layout was taken down, the dowels would be removed. 3.) Could you have used some kind of Quick Connect to connect the wiring from the transformer to the second (and possibly later third or more) board? 4.) How would you permanently install scenery? 5.) Have you considered future expansion of the layout? This could be an answer to many for many of us that don't have basements or attics to set up our stuff in!!! bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28142	From: aglorince	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: pre inventory magazine clearance

i am offering the following magazines at reduced cost so i don't have to count them. prices will be at 60% of cover for us customers. 75% of cover for customers in canada. all prices in usdollars. i will pay shipping by least expensive means to us or canada. the following magazines are available with some gaps. 3/16 "s"cale modeling may 90 thru july 92 CTC Board (Hundman publishing prototype news and articles) march 1988 thru dec 2002. mainline modeler (hundman publishing) april 1990, march 1991 thru dec 2002. railmodel journal dec 1990 thru dec 2002. s gaugian (heinberger) may, july, november 1988, may 1990 thru nov 2002 sn3 modler (heinberger) winter 1987, spring 1991 thru winter 2002. s/sn3 modeling guide (bill wade) april 95 thru mar 1999. all issues are new condition, limited numbers are available. for more information contact andy lorince alorince@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28143	From: DRmusic244@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: UP AND GN PASS SETS

I Have a chance to buy a UP PA/PA with 24837,39,39,&40, in real nice shape, I would say EX+. And also a GN 490/492 with the 900,1,2,& 3, EX+ as well, would someone let me know what would be a fair price for the two sets. Thanks for your help, Don Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28144	From: Art	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Talking Station / Tuner Cleaner

Hi: Thanks to everyone for the helpful suggestions. I have had some difficulty obtaining plain tuner cleaner from Radio Shack. The only tuner cleaner that they had was, upon closer inspection at home, actually tuner cleaner and lubricant and thus does leave a lubricant behind. However, I suppose in this use it might be okay since the pivot point may need some lubrication anyway, what do you think? Thanks, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28145	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Portable layout photos

Wow, that's some mighty fine work Bruce. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bruce" <willisbd@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Portable layout photos Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:12:10 -0000 With Paul Yorke's patient help, I now have photos of my portable Flyer layout available on the web: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun61 It is two 4'x4' boards that make a 4'x8' layout. It is easily transported in the back of my minivan to set up at local train shows. I'm mentally working on a 6'x8' layout using the same concept (two 4'x6' boards) that will allow me to run two trains at once. BTW, I recently picked up a Model 7 transformer. What is the "14v to 21v" terminal pair used for? Bruce bdwillis@... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? MSN Shopping has lined up some good bets! http://shopping.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28146	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Enough Already!

If you want to discuss E-Bay, methods of payment, etc. please do so off list. The last couple of days saw very little on S trains and too much on E-Bay and the virtue (or vice) of Pay'Pal and other methods of payment. Let's stick to S gauge trains. W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28147	From: Tim	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Enough Already!

Use your delete button and start up a discussion of your liking! Tim brown ----- Original Message ----- From: W. Thomas Boussum To: If@... ; you@... ; want@... ; to@... ; discuss@... ; E-Bay@... ; methods@... ; of@... ; payment@... ; etc.@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Enough Already! If you want to discuss E-Bay, methods of payment, etc. please do so off list. The last couple of days saw very little on S trains and too much on E-Bay and the virtue (or vice) of Pay'Pal and other methods of payment. Let's stick to S gauge trains. W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos." S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28148	From: Tim	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: EBAY

One of the things I look for in a seller is when they post their feedback for the buyer in relationship to when the buyer posts his. In other words, does the seller hold feedback hostage or does he post it when payment is received. I like sellers who post it when payment is received. That tells me they are confident that what they are selling is described fairly and/or they might be willing to make an adjustment later if there was a problem. There can be multiple discussion threads going on different topics at the same time. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28149	From: Bruce	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Portable Layout Answers

1. I figured the slip-in sections of track would give me the smoothest transition over the boards. You're right about both the gap issue and the rail ends. I didn't like the idea of rail ends sticking out and getting caught on something. I wanted a pretty robust system, as tolerant as possible of handling. 2. The latches I used provide the alignment. One side of the latch fits into a hole on the other side of the latch. That results in the male side of the latch sticking out over the edge of the board, which I don't like. The back of my minivan is EXACTLY 4' wide between the wheel wells so I have to be sure orient the boards with the latches forward or aft in the van. I never thought about removeable dowels. If I have removeable track sections, what's a few dowels, too? I'll do that on the next one and use a latch that doesn't stick out. 3. I looked around Radio Shack to see what my options were for the electrical connections and decided on the terminal strips. Some sort of Quick Connect would be nice, but I don't want the problem of something sticking past the edge of the board like my current latches, especially something that is easily damaged like electrical stuff. 4. Permanent scenery is a problem. I only left myself a 5" clearance between the boards when they are in the "transportation mode" (folder over). There is less clearance if a particular location on one board is opposite something (track, switch housings, terminal strips, etc.) on the other board when it's folded over. It is also good to keep the boards as light as possible. I can handle the boards together by myself (a design goal), but just barely. 5. I've considered ways to expand the existing layout, but if I limit myself to 4'x4' boards for portability then I also limit the track plan quite a bit. Actually, this is an expansion of my original 4'x4' board that had just a circle with an outside passing track. The table in the garage was built for it. I'm chalking this up as a learning experience. What I'm leaning towards now is a 6'x8' layout made of two 6'x4' boards. I can still put two 6'x4' boards in my van. Two 6'x4' boards on top of each other would be very difficult to handle together so I'm trying to decide how to design some spacers to use in the van that will also allow me to put the boards in the van one at a time. Maybe some kind of frame work that would sit on top of one board and allow the other board to slide in on top of it. That would give me more freedom to leave space for permanent scenery, too. The 6'x8' total layout size would give me enough real estate to run two trains at once. I've drawn up a concept, but I've also asked for some track layout software for Christmas to help me with it. I could maybe photograph my drawing and post it in the album, along with some photos of the original 4'x4' layout if I can find any. Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> wrote: > Bruce has done a great job with this. > > A few years ago there was an article on a small, portable layout in the Digest. I had been playing mind games with it and your project has created some questions. > 1.) It appears that you have sections of tract that you slip in when you assemble the board. Could these be installed permanently? Or would the resulting gap or the potential for damaging the rail ends be to great? > 2.) Did you consider using dowels to locate the ends of the boards together? Matching holes would be drilled in butted stiffener boards. As you assemble them, you would insert the dowels. Then the sections could be held together with clamps or carriage bolts. When the layout was taken down, the dowels would be removed. > 3.) Could you have used some kind of Quick Connect to connect the wiring from the transformer to the second (and possibly later third or more) board? > 4.) How would you permanently install scenery? > 5.) Have you considered future expansion of the layout? > > This could be an answer to many for many of us that don't have basements or attics to set up our stuff in!!! > > bigfoot > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28150	From: waldootten	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: One opinion that eBay is a valid topic here

Sorry, but I must agree with Tim on this one... Since eBay is often the only way for many Flyer and S-scalers to acquire items for their collections or layouts, I don't see a big problem. As has been said here many times, a lot of S-people don't have convenient access to any nearby train shows and they rely on eBay. And I find the discussions on the plusses and minusses of using eBay's own PayPal system interesting and informative, as well. There aren't THAT many eBay posts here to where any one person is "wasting" a huge amount of time reading them. I personally don't employ DCC or any other electronic choo-choo wizardry, but find most posts on the subject worth reading in the event I someday go over to "The Dark Side." I can understand someone not wanting to read about eBay topics. If so, skip them. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28151	From: Tim	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: 760 Flasher

Has anyone used a couple 697 pressure track trips to activate a 760 flasher instead of the usual 696 track trips? There can be multiple discussion threads going on different topics at the same time. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28152	From: Tim	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: New issue Talking Stations

Has anyone tried out the new issue talking stations? They are suppose to operate with a digital sound, rather than the old record and turntable. There can be multiple discussion threads going on different topics at the same time. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28153	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: E-bay

Hi all: My computer keeps on chewing up the bookmark that lets me find s-gauge all other manufacturers! and leaves the general search instructions which, of course, gets me to the general search headings! Would one of you kind people please post the http location again (at which time I will save it in a word file). Thanks in advance. Rance Velapoldi (Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28154	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: E-bay

http://listings.ebay.com/plistings/list/all/category19143/index.html?from=R0 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bente and Rance" <velapoldi@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] E-bay > Hi all: > My computer keeps on chewing up the bookmark that lets me find s-gauge > all other manufacturers! and leaves the general search instructions > which, of course, gets me to the general search headings! Would one of > you kind people please post the http location again (at which time I > will save it in a word file). Thanks in advance. > Rance Velapoldi (Norway) > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28155	From: Ken Kinyon - W7TS	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Enough Already!

Dear W. Thomas Boussum, I like to know, before I decide whether or not to pay any attention to you; Are you the list moderator? Ken AKA K. Edward Kinyon ------------------- Kenneth E. Kinyon 34 Princeton Circle Longmont, CO 80503-2106 ----------------------- E-mail: W7TS@... W7TS@... W7TS@... ALPCA #8339 ARRL-LM ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: W. Thomas Boussum [mailto:lenhardt_euler@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 13:34 To: If@...; you@...; want@...; to@...; discuss@...; E-Bay@...; methods@...; of@...; payment@...; etc.@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Enough Already! If you want to discuss E-Bay, methods of payment, etc. please do so off list. The last couple of days saw very little on S trains and too much on E-Bay and the virtue (or vice) of Pay'Pal and other methods of payment. Let's stick to S gauge trains. W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos." S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28156	From: keefer1	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Enough Already!

Since EBAY seems to be a big part of S-Trains to a lot of members you could just hit delete if the subject says anything about ebay in it. Keith --- "W. Thomas Boussum" <lenhardt_euler@...> wrote: > If you want to discuss E-Bay, methods of > payment, etc. please do > so off list. The last couple of days saw very > little on S trains and > too much on E-Bay and the virtue (or vice) of > Pay'Pal and other methods > of payment. > Let's stick to S gauge trains. > W. Thomas Boussum > > "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you > must begin by > creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos." > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28157	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: EBAY

Thats interesting Tim. I also will keep track of the sellers that post feedback upon receipt of payment. Usually that is rare. There the better ones. Maybe one out of ten if that great. Usually they wont post till after I do and then alot wont after that. I have found the feedback is basically worthless so now I only post if they do first and that is on a very rare occasion. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] EBAY Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:28:52 -0500 One of the things I look for in a seller is when they post their feedback for the buyer in relationship to when the buyer posts his. In other words, does the seller hold feedback hostage or does he post it when payment is received. I like sellers who post it when payment is received. That tells me they are confident that what they are selling is described fairly and/or they might be willing to make an adjustment later if there was a problem. There can be multiple discussion threads going on different topics at the same time. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? MSN Shopping has lined up some good bets! http://shopping.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28158	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Ebay on S-trains

I have no interest in ebay since i do not buy or sell trains on it. However, those guys who do use ebay are totaly free to discuss the finer points on this list . It doesn't bother me at all. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28159	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Portable Layout

You guys who don't have room for a permanent layout should look into the S-Mod standards. See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Portable Layout > Bruce has done a great job with this. > > A few years ago there was an article on a small, portable layout in the Digest. I had been playing mind games with it and your project has created some questions. > 1.) It appears that you have sections of tract that you slip in when you assemble the board. Could these be installed permanently? Or would the resulting gap or the potential for damaging the rail ends be to great? > 2.) Did you consider using dowels to locate the ends of the boards together? Matching holes would be drilled in butted stiffener boards. As you assemble them, you would insert the dowels. Then the sections could be held together with clamps or carriage bolts. When the layout was taken down, the dowels would be removed. > 3.) Could you have used some kind of Quick Connect to connect the wiring from the transformer to the second (and possibly later third or more) board? > 4.) How would you permanently install scenery? > 5.) Have you considered future expansion of the layout? > > This could be an answer to many for many of us that don't have basements or attics to set up our stuff in!!! > > bigfoot > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28160	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: rebushing hadncar

Are the bushings the same for the hand car as for the PA chassis?? Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28161	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Enough Already! A note from one of the moderators

Time to call a truce here! We are each of us important enough to be paid attention to (Ohh boy, I just ended a sentence in a preposition, sorry!). Our message(s) may or may not be, that is a personal decision! As long as we stick to Trains, and S-trains related subjects without taking each other to task, everything is fine. Like it or not, eBay is an important part of toy train enjoyment for many. Some are unable to attend train shows for many different reasons; mobility issues, distances from one's home, hiding from the Feds. . ..(OK, humor here), so for them, mail order and online auctions are their only method of adding to (or subtracting from) their train stuff (notice I avoided the word, "Collection" ! ;-) ) OTOH, some of us have NO AF switches on their layout, so that recent discussion is, to them, boring and unnecessary. So, in fairness to all, let the discussions roll. . . and we moderators will stay out of the way (lurking, or snoozing). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28162	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Enough Already!

Well said! Thank you. On 12/2/03 2:01 PM, "Tim" <Timboy@...> wrote: > Use your delete button and start up a discussion of your liking! > Tim brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W. Thomas Boussum > To: If@... ; you@... ; want@... ; > to@... ; discuss@... ; E-Bay@... ; > methods@... ; of@... ; payment@... ; > etc.@... ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:34 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Enough Already! > > > If you want to discuss E-Bay, methods of payment, etc. please do > so off list. The last couple of days saw very little on S trains and > too much on E-Bay and the virtue (or vice) of Pay'Pal and other methods > of payment. > Let's stick to S gauge trains. > W. Thomas Boussum > > "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must begin by > creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos." > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28163	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: rebushing hadncar

Dwight, As most of the bushings are replacement items, not of ACG parts (except for the early diesel chassis and some steamers), this is a complex question. The usual ACG bushings won't fit in a handcar chassis, as they AFAIK never had bushings. The common aftermarket bushings can be cut down to fit them though! As usual, this modification really requires a milling machine to be accurate. (others may have a different opinion about this!) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28164	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Linda's Home

Hi All, Linda just got home, has to stay down for a few more days still, we will know more tomorrow after she sees her regular Dr. Thank you for all your notes to us and your thoughts and prayers. S' Linda & David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28165	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Portable layouts

Bruce, My thought on Quick Disconnects would be something on the order of Bendix sockets. These would be something similar to what the military used to assemble radio and communications equipment several years ago. The clamps are a good ides. I had not thought of that. I can see where this would really work well. You are absolutely right in bauilding it as robust as possible. There will have to be design sacrifices for that. Could the block be attached to the stiffeners? You would have to make them longer. That way your surface would be clear for development of scenery. What about placing the tranformer and switch controls on a tray to be assembled to the stiffeners? As for legs, have you looked at the old faithful, saw horses? Custom make one for each end of the layout and the joints between two 4X4 sections? Keep us posted on version 3. Also give us a report on the software. I am running Autosketch and AutoCad 2000. They do a good job for parts. There is some capability in AutoCad for modeling. But I think it will be a real chore to design a model railroad with it. A trackplan might be a possibility. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28166	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: Re: Portable layout photos

Hey Bruce, Neat set up! On Howard Shefield's layout I fastened some small boards to the table top that the oil drum loader slips over. They are tight against the inside of the base, so it is always the same distance from the track, and doesn't move even if it vibrates or someone bumps the table. Did the same thing for the sawmill too (if you don't have one, they are really neat--unless the lumber gets jammed!) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28167	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/2/2003
Subject: eBay & boring topics.....

***(((some of us have NO AF switches on their layout, so that recent discussion is, to them, boring and unnecessary. So, in fairness to all, let the discussions roll. . . and we moderators will stay out of the way (lurking, or snoozing).)))**** David brought up good points.......again!! Seems we had this eBay discussion before! eBay is a big part of our train buying (& selling),...for some of us anyway. There are many topics that don't interest me on the list.....and I've said it before, and I'll say it again.....D-E-L-E-T-E....delete-delete-delete!!!! Rick. ~~~THIS MESSAGE WILL SELF DESTRUCT UPON HITTING THE DELETE BUTTON~~~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28168	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: TALKING STATION NUMBER

Anyone know the # of the Mystic type talking station(s)? Were there more than one 3 of talking stations that had the green roof? Also the approx. value of one in e cond with record & all other parts included? Thank You, Mike S. Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28169	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Fwd: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Re: B&O 24-8 Budd Slumbercoach Window ar

Ed, Looks like you can add B&O to your "list" of Kaslo "Buddies"............and share with others. Thanks for the research! Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28170	From: knockbill	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Re: Rebushing handcar

Hi, I re-bushed a hand car very easily with a piece of brass tube from a hobby store,,, the ID was just right for the armature shaft, and I reamed out the old chassis to allow the tube to sit in the proper place... I made a small thru hole in the tube for oiling.... Hope this helps Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28171	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Re: eBay & boring topics.....

Ditto what David said. "Hiding from the feds" eh? Always fun to read his posts. What a marvelous sense of humor. Glad the wife is home and doing better. Let everyone speak their mind. After all, it is the x- mas season. John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > ***(((some of us have NO AF switches on their layout, so that recent > discussion is, to them, boring and unnecessary. > So, in fairness to all, let the discussions roll. . . and we moderators will > stay out of the way (lurking, or snoozing).)))**** > > David brought up good points.......again!! Seems we had this eBay discussion > before! > eBay is a big part of our train buying (& selling),...for some of us anyway. > > There are many topics that don't interest me on the list.....and I've said it before, > and I'll say it again.....D-E-L-E-T-E....delete-delete-delete!!!! > > Rick. > > ~~~THIS MESSAGE WILL SELF DESTRUCT UPON HITTING THE DELETE BUTTON~~~ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28172	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Racing Champions on eBay Hint

This is from the Sn3 list: For Those of you that follow the Sn3 category on eBay there has been a guy selling Racing Champions vehicles for a fairly high starting bid. If you are interested in these cars for your layout try the following search... Search for Racing Champions in the die cast category and add the following to the words to exclude in the advanced search... nascar dragster funny elliott earnhardt GSX force wallace 1985 superbird goodyear amoco labonte irvan yenko bel transporter nomad honda mazda hemi goodwrench petty gordon burton martin allison mitsubishi toyota corvette 1/24 1:24 johnson benson lowes nadeau pearson marlin 1984 1950 1956 camaro 1955 1960 1964 cougar 1:18 1/18 bank sprint 1969 gto craven hauler 57 1957 citgo spencer acura 64 bodine eliott 1:10 1/10 camino sportster 68 bike Mac mustang nemechek matchbox skinner 442 pepper chad firebird grand gasser highboy outlaws barracuda jarrett This yields a return of 250 to 300 items. I've found some interesting things this way. For example a '31 Caddy, a '37 Ford coupe and a '40 Ford P/U Rick ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28173	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION NUMBER

***(((Anyone know the # of the Mystic type talking station(s)? Were there more than one 3 of talking stations that had the green roof? Also the approx. value of one in e cond with record & all other parts included? Thank You, Mike S.))*** Mike, I come up with the #'s 755, 755A, & 23786. #799 replaced the 755A in 1954. According to Greenberg, a #755 with a green roof tops out at $110.00 ....with a blue roof, $145.00. The #799 lists at $180.00. The 23786--$130.00. Hope this helps somewhat. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28174	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: Re: Portable layout photos

Great job Bruce!! Enjoyed the photos (and ideas!!). And thanks to you Paul!! :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28175	From: John G	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: 2003 Flyer accessories

I preordered some 2003 Flyer accessories by Lionel last spring (Baggage Smasher, Log Loader). The hobby shop I ordered it from has not received them yet. Anyone out there got theirs yet? Santa is getting nervous! John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28176	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: 2 HOMEMADE BRASS RAIL SWITCHES

I just got a box of AF stuff & found 2 homemade brass rail on wooden tie baseboard. The first person that wants them for $10.00 this includes postage contact me off list. The frogs are just like the org AF type. I don't know the rail code size. Mike S. Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28177	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: ANOTHER BLATANT AD FOR A RECTIFIER

I also have a rectifier for $13 includes shipping But the switch is broken on it. Mike S. Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28178	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: RECTIFIER BLATANT AD: SOLD

The RECTIFIER IS SOLD> I STILL HAVE THE BRASS SWITCHES Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28179	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/3/2003
Subject: New Catalog posted / Christmas layout photo...

I have now posted a new and rare catalog at myflyertrains.org, D1530 the 1949 advance catalog. This has special meaning to me, in that it was the year I was born... Thanks to Bob Zimmerman for sending me this catalog to scan! Also, I have a picture of my 2003 Christmas layout. It is 4 1/2 by 8 feet in size, and I think it is the best Christmas layout I have ever had. I am please with it! Come and take a look... http://myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28180	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: SHS today's container

In a few hours the container with the 2003 Christmas car (sold out), #3 switches, glacier green GN flatcar and SW-1s will arrive and be unloaded. Shipping will start once the container is empty with Hobby Shop orders going out first. We will work this weekend until all orders are packaged for UPS. We want to thank everyone for their patience in waiting for some of these items. Season's greetings, Don Thompson Items can be ordered on line at: SW-1 - http://www.showcaseline.com/sw1_in_stock.html GN flat car - http://www.showcaseline.com/fc_in_stock.html #3 switches - http://www.showcaseline.com/track_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28181	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale(no ebay required)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28182	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: rebushing handcar

I got handcar bushings from Doug Peck which were much smaller than the Diesel bushings. Haven't tried doing it yet. Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:02:44 -0000 From: "dwightlehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> Subject: rebushing hadncar Are the bushings the same for the hand car as for the PA chassis?? Dwight --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28183	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: delete..test

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28184	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Another Blatant Ad-AF 405 Silver Streak

I have an AF 405 Silver Streak chrome diesel for sale. Chrome is near perfect, only "Minor" and I mean "minor" chrome loss. Since everyone on the list has been great to me I will give you all the first crack at it. There is a train show this sunday here in chicago and if I still have it I will take it there. Then, if I still have it I will post on ebay LAST! Runs great! Asking $300.00 and I will pay for shipping and ins. Please contact me off list. Thanks,John B

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28185	From: Bruce	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: Portable layouts

You've got me scratchin' my head (I hope that's not dandruff). I have no idea what Bendix sockets are. I'll have to do some research on those. I assume when you say "clamps" that you are talking about the latches. They are brass latches that I got at Home Depot. Then I bought Krylon Moss Green & Leafy Green, I think, and picked the one that matched the grass mat the best to paint the latches so they would blend in a little better. "Could the block be attached to the stiffeners?" Are you talking about the spacer blocks? And I don't have any stiffeners. As for table legs... I just set the boards up on top of folding tables when I go to a show. That's why I recessed the wiring on the bottom, so the boards would lay flat. I have thought about making a portable frame, with legs, that the boards could drop down into maybe a couple inches so I would have a raised edge around the outside. It would make the layout look nicer. Also, as you say, I could then have a Control Module that I could attach to one side and remove the control clutter from the layout itself. Thanks for everyone's comments and suggestions, on-line and off. Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> wrote: > Bruce, > > My thought on Quick Disconnects would be something on the order of Bendix sockets. These would be something similar to what the military used to assemble radio and communications equipment several years ago. > > The clamps are a good ides. I had not thought of that. I can see where this would really work well. > > You are absolutely right in bauilding it as robust as possible. There will have to be design sacrifices for that. Could the block be attached to the stiffeners? You would have to make them longer. That way your surface would be clear for development of scenery. > > What about placing the tranformer and switch controls on a tray to be assembled to the stiffeners? > > As for legs, have you looked at the old faithful, saw horses? Custom make one for each end of the layout and the joints between two 4X4 sections? > > Keep us posted on version 3. Also give us a report on the software. I am running Autosketch and AutoCad 2000. They do a good job for parts. There is some capability in AutoCad for modeling. But I think it will be a real chore to design a model railroad with it. A trackplan might be a possibility. > > bigfoot > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28186	From: Bruce	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyer accessories

I called Island Trains yesterday and they said the Talking Station had just come in and they would be shipping it soon. It is even cheaper now than the preorder price. Did Lionel come in with a lower final price than their Spring estimate? The Log Loader, too. Bruce --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John G" <NotColdEnough@h...> wrote: > I preordered some 2003 Flyer accessories by Lionel last spring > (Baggage Smasher, Log Loader). The hobby shop I ordered it from has > not received them yet. Anyone out there got theirs yet? Santa is > getting nervous! > > John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28187	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Portable layout

Bruce, I had asummed that you had a 2 X 2 or 2 X 4 stiffening frame around each part of the layout. But in going back and looking again, you don't. My thought was that if you put more space between the two sections, it would allow more room for scenery. You could build a station, siding industry, add trees crossing signals and the like in a permenant way. Just a thought. The Bendix plug has multiple pins It is about 1.5 inches in diameter. The two halves are aligned to the pins, then there is a collar that is twisted 90 degrees that holds it together. Most that I have seen are colored Olive Drab or with a Zinc Chromate finish. Someone was talking about the NASG standard for modiles. I can see where you could make, say, four of these sections. As long and the rail ends meet, you could mix and match and really have more that one layout. That was a good thought. Hope Santa remembers you. I am very interested to find out what you can come up with for a new layout. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28188	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: HO FRONTIERSMAN SET

ANYBODY have an idea of what the HO Frontiersman set is worth? How much the original "s" Circus punch outs are worth? Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28189	From: waldootten	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Train show in Chicago?

>> There is a train show this sunday here in chicago and if I still have it I will take it there. Then, if I still have it I will post on ebay LAST! Runs great! Asking $300.00 and I will pay for shipping and ins. Please contact me off list. Thanks,John B<< Where is the train show in Chicago this weekend? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28190	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: Train show in Chicago?

The train show is at the Du Page county fairgrounds where it is almost every month,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "waldootten" <waldootten@a...> wrote: > >> There is a train show this sunday here in chicago and if I still > have it I will take it there. Then, if I still have it I will post > on ebay LAST! Runs great! Asking $300.00 and I will pay for shipping > and ins. Please contact me off list. Thanks,John B<< > > Where is the train show in Chicago this weekend? > > Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28191	From: David	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: HO FRONTIERSMAN SET

Picked an HO Frontiersman Set up at a local show in early Nov for $90 in the box. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "robert allen conner" <rcon7@b...> wrote: > ANYBODY have an idea of what the HO Frontiersman set is worth? How much > the original "s" Circus punch outs are worth? Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28192	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: MTH Lamplighter

Does anyone know the difference between the two product codes for MTH One is 30-9120 and it is listed on the MTH site as Lamplighter The other is 30-9126 and it is listed on the MTH site as Gabe Lamplighter. Any help here is appreciated. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28193	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: slightly off topic HO train question

I have a HO Steam Engine. made by Pocher in Italy. I have no idea what they are worth since im only into Flyers. Can someone tell me what it is worth for I can know what is fair price to sell it for? Thanks Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28194	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: Track Planning

http://trainweb.org/mhrr/mhrreast/fotos/trackplanning1.jpg http://trainweb.org/mhrr/mhrreast/fotos/trackplanning2.jpg Gregg Mummert wrote: > I saw you post on the S Trains list, but unfortunately none of us could > access the pix unless we belonged to the S Scale list too. Is there any > way to post them on the Trains list too or on Paul's S Scale webpage > Photo Gallery so we could see them? > > Thanks > Gregg > > > > I added two photos to the MHRREAST folder in Shared Files; > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/mhrreast/ > These are photos of my recent module planning and construction activity. > I post them for two reasons. 1) If there are other / better ways to > do any of these tasks, I'd like to know about them. 2) These methods > might be of interest to other people. > > In photo 1 note the following; > 1) At the ends of the modules are sections of wood cut to match the > subroadbed and roadbed profiles. The wood will improve resistance to > damage during transportation and setup. These blocks are all glued and > nailed (use small brads). > 2) The centerline for each track, and the centerline between the two > mainline tracks is marked on the module top at each phase of construction. > 3) The inner main will use code 125 rail for my AF and so that the > modules can host AF trains when used as part of the club layout. The > outer main will use code 100 for scale model trains. To bring the top > of rail closer to the same height, I'm using cork (1/2 HO and 1/2 O) > under the code 125, and HomaBed under the code 100. > 4) Switch templates and cardboard "paperdolls" showing the footprint of > each intended building greatly facilitate layout planning. I tried many > times to plan the layout using small scale drawings. That was ok for > sketching out ideas but just didn't work for the actual planning. I > built the modules and did the actual planning right on the modules. > 5) You can see some S scale vehicles that were used for planning street > widths and loading dock clearances. > 6) I modified the straight roadbed for switches by flexing and filling. > 7) The roadbed is elevated above the surrounding terrain as in the > prototype. > 8) The main top is chipboard, cuz I could not find plywood of the > thickness I wanted. DON'T make that mistake. Chipboard is much less > durable than plywood. I have some repairs to make already. > > In photo 2 note these additional procedures. > a) I've used some AM sectional track to help define clearances. S > curves are not good, but these two cars get through it, pushing or > pulling. When I handlay this section, I'll get a small amount of > tangent track in between the opposing curves. > b) The S scale rule is extremely helpful in layout planning. > > -- > Ted Larson > If something I said can be interpreted two ways, > and one of the ways makes you annoyed or angry, > I meant the other one. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 > months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28195	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: MTH Lamplighter

Found my answer to my own question. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] MTH Lamplighter > Does anyone know the difference between the two product codes for MTH > > One is 30-9120 and it is listed on the MTH site as Lamplighter > > The other is 30-9126 and it is listed on the MTH site as Gabe Lamplighter. > > Any help here is appreciated. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28196	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Working Street Lights in S!

The January '04 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman on p. 10 "All Scale Product News" heading had an item on "Jason's Brass Poles", 1337 Laura Dr. Lorain, OH 44053 just adding S scale brass lamp post to its HO line. They have "old style ornamental street lights and lamps for railroad stations, docks, building and streets. The posts come assembled and painted coach green or dark gray. Lamp posts in HO are available with either 1.5 volt or 12 volt bulbs and sell for $4/each in S, three for $11 (didn't say what voltage was in S). Painted street lights are $1.00 more. Great news for S. Has anyone tried one? Do they have a website? Any further info? Paul S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28197	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Switches - David's Work

I have had the pleasure of operating on David's old layout. I can say that it works like a Swiss watch! We can't wait until he starts building his new one: doubtless will raise the bar even higher! Paul Schilling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28198	From: doug	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Flyer accessories

<<<(Baggage Smasher, Log Loader). The hobby shop I ordered it from has not received them yet. Anyone out there got theirs yet?>>> NOT SHIPPED YET. BS due this month..... new LL shipping date has not been announced yet. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28199	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: Working Street Lights in S!

Lots of HO lights are directly useable. I use HO street lights around my turntable and roundhouse. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: <Paul4Schil@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Working Street Lights in S! > The January '04 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman on p. 10 "All Scale > Product News" heading had an item on "Jason's Brass Poles", 1337 Laura Dr. > Lorain, OH 44053 just adding S scale brass lamp post to its HO line. They have > "old style ornamental street lights and lamps for railroad stations, docks, > building and streets. The posts come assembled and painted coach green or dark > gray. Lamp posts in HO are available with either 1.5 volt or 12 volt bulbs and > sell for $4/each in S, three for $11 (didn't say what voltage was in S). > Painted street lights are $1.00 more. > Great news for S. > Has anyone tried one? > Do they have a website? > Any further info? > Paul S > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28200	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Google Search pocher + trains

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=pocher+%2B+trains&btnG=Google+Search Robert, Do a search on search engines and you should get some information on Pocher. But is something above that might help you. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28201	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Can't Beat The Real Deal!

Chuck et al, Since my original note, I did a search and came up with the website - see below. The pictures look beautiful. I'm planning on ordering a few. HO conversions are ok and I've done a few myself but there's nothing like an honest-to-goodnes S scale item to get the juices going! Regards. Paul S. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://users.adelphia.net/~bweisman/jasonspolesite_007.htm <A HREF="http://users.adelphia.net/~bweisman/jasonspolesite_007.htm">Click here: mailingaddress</A> +++++++++++++++++++ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28202	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: New Catalog posted / Christmas layout photo...

Hi Chuck, Thanks for posting scans of the 1949A catalog and the picture of your new layout. If you can, I'd like to see more photos of it. Also, please do continue to post scans of those wonderful Flyer catalogs. What a catalog treasure trove you are accumulating! Thanks for sharing them with us all!!! Robert Johnson Hayward, CA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > I have now posted a new and rare catalog at myflyertrains.org, D1530 the > 1949 advance catalog. This has special meaning to me, in that it was the > year I was born... Thanks to Bob Zimmerman for sending me this catalog > to scan! > > Also, I have a picture of my 2003 Christmas layout. It is 4 1/2 by 8 > feet in size, and I think it is the best Christmas layout I have ever > had. I am please with it! > > Come and take a look... > > http://myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28203	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Re: Google Search pocher + trains

I searched for two hours before I asked. No luck. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Gotta Love Those American Flyer Trains http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Google Search pocher + trains Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:31:31 -0500 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=pocher+%2B+trains&btnG=Google+Search Robert, Do a search on search engines and you should get some information on Pocher. But is something above that might help you. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28204	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: POCHER TRY THIS LINK MIKE S.

<A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=pocher+%2B+trains&btnG=Google+Search">Google Search: pocher + trains</A> Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28205	From: Bradley	Date: 12/4/2003
Subject: Need Help To Identify

I recently purchased a small Pikemaster Set which I can't seem to find listed in my Greenberg or TM guides. The box says it's a 20595 set. The locomotive is a 21107 Burlington Route 4-4-2 with smoke and choo choo. The cars are a NH 25082 "hayjector" boxcar, BM 24124 gondola and a 24636 red caboose. The set includes a 22006 transformer and enough Pikemaster track to make a figure 8. Everything in the set would easily grade TCA excellent except for the box which is very good. I would like to find out what year it was manufactured and it's current value. My guess is an uncatalogued set from 1964. Your help is much appreciated.......Brad.... (www.allaboardsets.com)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28206	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Train show in Chgo:correction

Sorry All. The train show in chgo is NEXT sunday the 14th. Guess that's why they put out the dates on a schedule. Sorry for getting your hopes up. We will have to wait a week,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28207	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: What would you do?

I recently received a pair of B&M F9's. Both the powered and dummy shells are marked 21205. Obviously the dummy shell is from another powered unit as it is not marked 21205-1. Would you leave as is or try to locate the proper shell? I would imagine the latter would be rather difficult. Advise? Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28208	From: waldootten	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Train show in Chicago?

> The train show is at the Du Page county fairgrounds where it is > almost every month,John B. > I go to that show (and several others) almost every month and according to my calendar it is Sunday, Dec. 14, and not this weekend. There is also a Lionel Club (sorry, gang) Christmas Train Show in Naperville (I think) sometime this month, too, but I don't have a date. The Midwest TCA December meet is scheduled for Sunday, Dec. 21 this year in Addison, Ill. Let me know if I have bad info, but according to the GATS website, the DuPahe Fairgrounds show is Dec. 14. At the risk of being labeled a heretic, I do go to the 3-rail show because in the past I have found small amounts of decent Flyer stuff there tucked away in corners and under tables -- mostly stuff that was acquired through buying bigger lots at auctions -- and it has been fairly cheap, as it seems the Big L collectors can't wait to get rid of it. I'm always happy to take it off their hands. ;-) Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28209	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Need Help To Identify

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28210	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Need HelpTo Identify

Brad, you are correct, 1964 uncataloged set. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28211	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Portable Layout

Bruce, I went out on the track plan site. It looks good. I am leary of software. I run Windows XT Pro. It uses the NFTS file system, not the FATS16 or FATS32. I have some software that I ran under Windows 98 SE that will not run on XT Pro under NFTS. I am not geek enough to understand why, I just can not get it to run correctly if at all. Right now I am hoping ole Santa brings me an all in one printer, fax, scanner. When I went to XT, it did not support my old Visioneer scanner and software. My printer is a Xerox XJ8C. The only way I can get it to run is by imulating an equilalent model Lexmark. It does not do that really well. So priorities being what they are,..... Well, you understand. Now that I have been encouraged again, I will start working on some layouts using AutoCad, and see shat I get. My though will be to be able to set it up and take it down easily. I have four grandsons ages 16 through 7. I would love to "play with them on it. However, when they visit, I don't want them playing without my direct supervision. They could get to thinking that head on wrecks are fun!! I have a lot of track, some old manual switches, crossings, two steam locos, a Geep, a FA (might be a PA), all AF. The steamers have link couplers. There are quite a few cars. Only six to eight of these are SHS. The rest are AF. I think this is too much for a 4X8 layout. But a layout of 4X16 or 8X8 might accomodate it. I will try to get the drawings over to my email. Thanks for your encouragement, ideas and interest. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28212	From: Timboy@att.net	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Train show in Chicago?

Does anyone know of a good train show in the Bahamas this weekend. My wife & I are on Holland America and will spend the day in a cabana on Half Moon Cay on Saturday. Tim Brown > > The train show is at the Du Page county fairgrounds where it is > > almost every month,John B. > > > I go to that show (and several others) almost every month and > according to my calendar it is Sunday, Dec. 14, and not this > weekend. There is also a Lionel Club (sorry, gang) Christmas Train > Show in Naperville (I think) sometime this month, too, but I don't > have a date. The Midwest TCA December meet is scheduled for Sunday, > Dec. 21 this year in Addison, Ill. Let me know if I have bad info, > but according to the GATS website, the DuPahe Fairgrounds show is > Dec. 14. > > At the risk of being labeled a heretic, I do go to the 3-rail show > because in the past I have found small amounts of decent Flyer stuff > there tucked away in corners and under tables -- mostly stuff that > was acquired through buying bigger lots at auctions -- and it has > been fairly cheap, as it seems the Big L collectors can't wait to > get rid of it. I'm always happy to take it off their hands. ;-) > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28213	From: bellokdaka@webtv.net	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Train show in the Bahamas

I couldn't find any listings for train shows in the Bahamas Tim, perhaps you should have been more suspicious that the rate was too good. Just bring along some old S-guagians with you so that it won't feel like a complete waste of time................... Oh Boy! Trains......................Herky1950 Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28214	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Who makes a good station platform "Goose neck" type lamp

I mean the type that had a circular shade with the light bulb exposed. Often they were at the uncovered end of the platform. Any ideas? Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28215	From: jnr59@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Working Street Lights in S!

Looks like Paul may have just answered by question on gooseneck lamps. Jack Riely [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28216	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Working Street Lights in S!

Years ago I was into HO traction, and bought poles from him. Excellent quality, good to deal with. But I don't know anything about his streetlights. Dick Kuepper Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: <Paul4Schil@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Working Street Lights in S! > The January '04 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman on p. 10 "All Scale > Product News" heading had an item on "Jason's Brass Poles", 1337 Laura Dr. > Lorain, OH 44053 just adding S scale brass lamp post to its HO line. They have > "old style ornamental street lights and lamps for railroad stations, docks, > building and streets. The posts come assembled and painted coach green or dark > gray. Lamp posts in HO are available with either 1.5 volt or 12 volt bulbs and > sell for $4/each in S, three for $11 (didn't say what voltage was in S). > Painted street lights are $1.00 more. > Great news for S. > Has anyone tried one? > Do they have a website? > Any further info? > Paul S > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28217	From: Timboy@att.net	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: Train show in the Bahamas

Hi Obie, I have a feeling they don't even know what S-gauge is. Well, I'll introduce them to our favorite S-List topic - EBAY! We be steamin' on! Tim Brown > I couldn't find any listings for train shows in the Bahamas Tim, perhaps > you should have been more suspicious that the rate was too good. Just > bring along some old S-guagians with you so that it won't feel like a > complete waste of time................... > Oh Boy! Trains......................Herky1950 > Obie Bell > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28218	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 7, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28219	From: keefer1	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: New MO and JOE

I just got my new car from Doug. It looks nice and works well.I like the appearance of the new trucks.The only things I don't like is the rivetted on coupler, and the pickup arm looks like it may be a weak point.Oh a flyer style button would have been nice.Overall a great product. Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28220	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/5/2003
Subject: Re: New MO and JOE

Keith, What about the activation rail? What's it like?? S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28221	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: NASG membership card

Hi Michael, I received my NASG membership card yesterday. I have long been an advocate of NOT mailing them, mostly because of a great person like you having to do it. I am sure that is one of the things that contributes to Membership Chairman burnout. My membership number is stuck in my brain right next to my SS# and Mac card pin. I don't need that card for that. SO if you can note that someplace in your database, I can save you the trouble and expense of mailing the card for at least one person. Of course I will eventually get my LIFETIME membership when I am the last NASG member who has not won the Bernie Thomas award! Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28222	From: tsbikes	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: soldering SS track

Hi all, I am in the process of rebuilding my layout with Gargraves Stainless steel track. I like to solder the electrical connections every few feet on my modules. Can anyone recommend a flux and a source for purchasing it? Thanks, Jim Grimes TCA# 97-45877 tsbikes@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28223	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: DC with Flyonel

Can the AF diesels by Lionel be operated on DC? I tried for a moment- seems to work, but I don't want to burn anything out. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28224	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: DC WITH SIT

Can a 322 sit unit be run on DC? The main question is can the smoke unit motor run on DC. I'm using a DC can motor with the engine. Mike S. Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28225	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: Re: soldering SS track

--- tsbikes <tsbikes@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am in the process of rebuilding my layout with > Gargraves Stainless steel track. I > like to solder the electrical connections every few > feet on my modules. Can anyone > recommend a flux and a source for purchasing it? > > Thanks, > > Jim Grimes > > TCA# 97-45877 > tsbikes@... > > Jim.... Check this out regarding soldering stainless steel http://www.kester.com/PDF%20FILES/articles/STAINLS.pdf Kester makes solder in the folowing compositions Sn60Pb36Ag04 melting range 354 - 475F or for you lead-free guys Sn95Ag05 melting range 430 - 473F You need a silver content of 4% or higher hope this helps Clay ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28226	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: Gargraves Stainless track

Jim.... Is that new track or old? As I remember a run of their stainless track was too wide. clay ===== Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 clay@... www.davestnt.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28227	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: DC SIT

Yes, I've been doing it for 5 years. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28228	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: Re: DC SIT

Thank you Dwight. I just tried it after hearing from another member. But I think the voltage from the cheap Transformer I used was a bit to low. The motor ran slow & the smoke unit didn't produce any smoke. Can you tell me the voltage you use on your trains, Etc. Is 20 V to high? I am going to use a SnS can motor. I think that running DC will be a bit better. I don't mess up any collector stuff, just the ones that you can't read the lettering on Etc. Thanks Again, Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28229	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: NASG PULLMAN Announcement

You’ve been waiting 10 years Now here they come!! American Models and the NASG present HEAVYWEIGHT PULLMANS Two body styles -- 10-section, 1-drawing room, 2-compartment (“10-1-2”); 12-section, 1-drawing room (“12-1”). There will be only 325 of each body style. Four color schemes: 1. Pullman green with gold “Pullman” 2. Tuscan red with dulux stripes and dulux “Pullman” 3. Two-tone grey with aluminum stripes and aluminum “Pullman” 4. CNR black and green with yellow stripes, yellow “Canadian National” and red maple-leaf roundels Matching dry-transfer car names for 22 roads as well as general-service. Cars are 15-3/4" long over scale coupler faces. 40" min. radius out of the box; reduction to 24" min. is an easy 5-minute job. WILL NOT CLEAR AF SWITCH-MOTOR BOXES. Cars will be boxed ready-to-run with hirail wheelsets and AF-compatible couplers. Also included in each box: 6 scale wheelsets scale dummy couplers current pick-up wipers car-name lettering set (by Artist-Aid of Palmdale CA) car-name guide (which car names appropriate for what railroads) radius-reduction instructions NASG Members Only – Reserve yours now! Cars expected Summer 2004. Price each $65, checks payable to “NASG Inc.” PA residents add $3.90 sales tax (6%) per car. Shipping: $5 first car, $2 each additional car. Send reservations to: NASG Pullman Cars c/o John Foley 164 W. Railroad St. Pottsville, PA 17901-1126 NASG Members ONLY, please!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28230	From: Timboy@att.net	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: Re: DC WITH SIT

I do with splendid results. Incidently, thanks to all the off-list well wishes on my cruise. We are headed back into Fort Lauderdale tonight. The dining on board Holland America is superb! Tim Brown > Can a 322 sit unit be run on DC? The main question is can the smoke unit > motor run on DC. I'm using a DC can motor with the engine. Mike S. > > Michael Strickland > 6834 Quinton Ln > Tujunga, Ca 91042 > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28231	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/6/2003
Subject: my Biannual decal plea

Hi All, I guess having $400.00 + in decals and dry transfers is not enough for me. Please see if you have any John Hall B&O hopper set #111 you can spare. I will buy what you have! I am actually decaling my B&O M-53 boxcars with them tonight. But I have some brass hoppers that are coming up in the backshop for painting. I need more decals! Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28232	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: NASG PULLMAN Announcement

Can we get more information on these....how do you reduce the radius....in 5 min...cut off the steps?....what, if any road names but cnr, ? etc?....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "nasglibrary" <nasglibrary@...> To: "NASG E-group" <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Trains e-group" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] NASG PULLMAN Announcement > You've been waiting 10 years.Now here they come!! > American Models and the NASG present HEAVYWEIGHT PULLMANS > > Two body styles -- 10-section, 1-drawing room, 2-compartment ("10-1-2"); > > 12-section, 1-drawing room ("12-1"). There will be only 325 of each > body style. > > Four color schemes: > > 1. Pullman green with gold "Pullman" > 2. Tuscan red with dulux stripes and dulux "Pullman" > 3. Two-tone grey with aluminum stripes and aluminum "Pullman" > 4. CNR black and green with yellow stripes, yellow "Canadian National" > and red maple-leaf roundels > > Matching dry-transfer car names for 22 roads as well as general-service. > > Cars are 15-3/4" long over scale coupler faces. 40" min. radius out of > the box; reduction to 24" min. is an easy 5-minute job. WILL NOT CLEAR > AF SWITCH-MOTOR BOXES. > > Cars will be boxed ready-to-run with hirail wheelsets and AF-compatible > couplers. Also included in each box: > > 6 scale wheelsets > scale dummy couplers > current pick-up wipers > car-name lettering set (by Artist-Aid of Palmdale CA) > car-name guide (which car names appropriate for what railroads) > radius-reduction instructions > > NASG Members Only - Reserve yours now! Cars expected Summer 2004. > Price each $65, checks payable to "NASG Inc." PA residents add $3.90 > sales tax (6%) per car. Shipping: $5 first car, $2 each additional > car. > > Send reservations to: > > NASG Pullman Cars > c/o John Foley > 164 W. Railroad St. > Pottsville, PA 17901-1126 > > NASG Members ONLY, please! > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28233	From: trombonelover1	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: A call for new locomitves.

To the manufactures of S. I suggest that your next diesel locomotives be taken from this list. All are fairly common in historical railroads and are fairly popular with other scales. FM "Erie Built" Passenger cab. FM "Consolidation" line. Baldwin "Shark-Nose" Baldwin-Pullman Standard Train X GM-EMD E-6 I have seen a preponderance of GM-EMD and ALCO products for S. Why not add products of other builders? John M. Bohm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28234	From: ROBERT A PERSING	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: 1999 Flyer Christmas Car

Was anyone watching ebay yesterday,if you were what do you think about the 1999 Christmas car going off at $316.99.I can't beleave that they are that hard to find,I have sold several but no where that price. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28235	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: NASG PULLMAN Announcement

In a message dated 12/6/03 6:57:37 PM, nasglibrary@... writes: << You’ve been waiting 10 years…Now here they come!! American Models and the NASG present HEAVYWEIGHT PULLMANS >> Question, John: Will these new heavyweights have newly tooled trucks that are better than the unacceptable trucks found on current AM heavyweight production? Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28236	From: G Nichol	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: 1957 New Haven Clipper Set with orange striped cars

Hi all! I have a #20340 497 New Haven Clipper Set with 4 (not the catalogued 3) orange striped passenger cars and diesel horn. It's not in the best of shape and would be better suited for the operator (it's pretty dirty, some scuffs, untested, no boxes, etc). I'm asking $675 plus $10 shipping. Sold as is. If anyone is interested, please let me know before I break it up and list it on ebay this evening. Thanks! Greg _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28237	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: NASG PULLMAN Announcement

In a message dated 12/7/2003 12:51:13 PM Central Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes: > Question, John: Will these new heavyweights have newly tooled trucks that > are > better than the unacceptable trucks found on current AM heavyweight > production? > Some of us find the current trucks to be very acceptable. I do not like the 4 wheel trucks for heavyweights simply because heavyweights look funny to me with 4 wheel trucks. I might feel different if I was a fan of one of those few railroads that operated heavyweights with 4 wheel trucks. I don't think that any of the railroads in the South had heavy enough rail to support these. I really love the six wheel trucks. I know there were a lot of purchasers who thought the cars were broken because of loose wheels when they opened the boxes. But all it takes is a few seconds to realign them. And the easy snap trucks make it so easy to switch from scale to hirail or vice-versa. And the trucks roll so smoothly. Ok what about looks? Maybe some more detail would be nice but I am happy with what I have. I used to be frustrated that I had a Southwind brass coach with the 4 wheel trucks. I considered putting on the plastic six wheel trucks but thought that I would be laughed at. Eventually I was able to get Southwind's six wheel trucks instead. But I was surprised to hear another S gauger that most of you know express that he was considering putting the plastic six wheel trucks on his 4 wheel Southwinds. I won't reveal his name but he has served on NASG committees and has submitted at least one posting on the S scale modelers Yahoo group within the last week. I am in favor of better product. And I concede there is room for improvement, especially to provide electrical pickup for lighting, sort of like AM's upgrade of the 4 wheel trucks for streamlined cars. This upgrade was great, though at a price. But I feel very fortunately to have the six wheel plastic trucks that AM already has. Earl Henry Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28238	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: NASG PULLMAN Announcement

My experience is similar. Once wheels are popped into correct position they are reliable until the next derailment or other rough handling. Instructions that came with cars were helpful in this regard. Mine are very old and were marketed by SHS but built by AM. I have no 88 footers because I still have some Flyer radius and switch housings to navigate so my experience is with an RPO, coach and observation. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: <tennsgauge@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NASG PULLMAN Announcement > In a message dated 12/7/2003 12:51:13 PM Central Standard Time, > rbubeck327@... writes: > > > Question, John: Will these new heavyweights have newly tooled trucks that > > are > > better than the unacceptable trucks found on current AM heavyweight > > production? > > > Some of us find the current trucks to be very acceptable. > > I do not like the 4 wheel trucks for heavyweights simply because heavyweights > look funny to me with 4 wheel trucks. I might feel different if I was a fan > of one of those few railroads that operated heavyweights with 4 wheel trucks. > I don't think that any of the railroads in the South had heavy enough rail to > support these. > > I really love the six wheel trucks. I know there were a lot of purchasers > who thought the cars were broken because of loose wheels when they opened the > boxes. But all it takes is a few seconds to realign them. And the easy snap > trucks make it so easy to switch from scale to hirail or vice-versa. And the > trucks roll so smoothly. > > Ok what about looks? Maybe some more detail would be nice but I am happy > with what I have. I used to be frustrated that I had a Southwind brass coach > with the 4 wheel trucks. I considered putting on the plastic six wheel trucks > but thought that I would be laughed at. Eventually I was able to get > Southwind's six wheel trucks instead. But I was surprised to hear another S gauger that > most of you know express that he was considering putting the plastic six > wheel trucks on his 4 wheel Southwinds. I won't reveal his name but he has served > on NASG committees and has submitted at least one posting on the S scale > modelers Yahoo group within the last week. > > I am in favor of better product. And I concede there is room for > improvement, especially to provide electrical pickup for lighting, sort of like AM's > upgrade of the 4 wheel trucks for streamlined cars. This upgrade was great, > though at a price. But I feel very fortunately to have the six wheel plastic > trucks that AM already has. > > Earl Henry > Nashville, TN > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28239	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: New locomotives

I like the shark nose as well. And I still love the T & P 2-10-0 Texans. Didn't someone have an undecorated BL-2 a few years ago? bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28240	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: NASG PULLMAN Announcement

All -- There will be an ad in the Feb. "NASG Dispatch" showing the cars and all four color schemes. Radius is reduceable down to 24" by removing 1/4" of the center sill adjacent to each truck. Further reduction to 20" requires notching (not removing) the rear of the vestibule steps. However, overhang is such that cars will not clear AF switch-motor housing on the curved route. Road names are "Pullman" and "Canadian National." Road-specific cars between 1912 and 1952 are denoted by car name rather than letterboard name (for most railroads). Sufficient info will be in the box for hobbyists to choose the correct names for a particular railroad. Railroads capable of being represented by the three different lettering sets (each tailored for the four color schemes) are NYC, MC, L&N, C&NW, C&EI, B&O, ATSF, CNR, MP, B&M, CRI&P, SAL, FEC, SR, Monon, PRR, N&W, GN, NP, GM&O, NKP, C&O, IC, and general-service pool cars. Several different names for each road are in the lettering sets. Dick Karnes, Exec. VP NASG Inc. ============ robert allen conner wrote: > Can we get more information on these....how do you reduce the radius....in 5 > min...cut off the steps?....what, if any road names but cnr, ? etc?....Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28241	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 7, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28242	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman cars

Does the money need to be sent now with the reservation, or when the cars are about to be run, or when they are ready for shipment? Thanks, Bill Frazier In a message dated 12/7/03 10:18:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 15:59:10 -0800 > From: nasglibrary <nasglibrary@...> > Subject: NASG PULLMAN Announcement > > You’ve been waiting 10 years…Now here they come!! > American Models and the NASG present HEAVYWEIGHT PULLMANS > > Two body styles -- 10-section, 1-drawing room, 2-compartment (“10-1-2”); > > 12-section, 1-drawing room (“12-1”). There will be only 325 of each > body style. > > Four color schemes: > > 1. Pullman green with gold “Pullman” > 2. Tuscan red with dulux stripes and dulux “Pullman” > 3. Two-tone grey with aluminum stripes and aluminum “Pullman” > 4. CNR black and green with yellow stripes, yellow “Canadian National” > and red maple-leaf roundels > > Matching dry-transfer car names for 22 roads as well as general-service. > > Cars are 15-3/4" long over scale coupler faces. 40" min. radius out of > the box; reduction to 24" min. is an easy 5-minute job. WILL NOT CLEAR > AF SWITCH-MOTOR BOXES. > > Cars will be boxed ready-to-run with hirail wheelsets and AF-compatible > couplers. Also included in each box: > > 6 scale wheelsets > scale dummy couplers > current pick-up wipers > car-name lettering set (by Artist-Aid of Palmdale CA) > car-name guide (which car names appropriate for what railroads) > radius-reduction instructions > > NASG Members Only – Reserve yours now! Cars expected Summer 2004. > Price each $65, checks payable to “NASG Inc.” PA residents add $3.90 > sales tax (6%) per car. Shipping: $5 first car, $2 each additional > car. > > Send reservations to: > > NASG Pullman Cars > c/o John Foley > 164 W. Railroad St. > Pottsville, PA 17901-1126 > > NASG Members ONLY, please! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28243	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Pullman Wars

Looks like we in S Gauge might have our very own Pullman War between Lionel and American Models. Perhaps we will be fortunate enough to end up with two entirely different products -- a repro of the Gilbert old shortie heavywieghts from Lionel and longer, more scale like Pullmans from AM-NASG. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28244	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: NASG PULLMAN: Making Sure All Info Gets Out Into the Hobby Press

Dick, sounds most interesting. It would be most helpful if, in announcements, ads, etc., all the information that has come out in these e-mail exchanges is included (radii reduction, roads capable of being represented by the decal set, etc.). In fact, hopefully we'll have a long article, maybe even capable of being published in MRR! Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28245	From: firex43	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Gargraves Stainless Steel Track

Regarding soldering Gargraves stainless track, I have found that using crimp on flag connectors pushed up from underneath and inserted into the hollow rail work well. If necessary, bend the flag connector at a right angle to minimize any potential lift of the track. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28246	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Plasticville

I need some replacement parts for plasticville models. Who has the most complete parts? Are they listed on the internet?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28247	From: nasglibrary	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: NASG Pullman project -- Answer to reserve question

All -- After consultation, we have determined that the NASG will not accept deposits for the Pullman cars. Full payment must accompany orders. The advertising material has been changed to read "order" instead of "reserve." Dick Karnes, Exec. VP NASG Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28248	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: Pullman Wars

Ah! perchance to dream! ;>) Al Kielek(lets add a Big Boy too!) ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Pullman Wars > Looks like we in S Gauge might have our very own Pullman War between Lionel > and American Models. Perhaps we will be fortunate enough to end up with > two entirely different products -- a repro of the Gilbert old shortie > heavywieghts from Lionel and longer, more scale like Pullmans from AM-NASG. > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28249	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/7/2003
Subject: Re: Plasticville

***((((I need some replacement parts for plasticville models. Who has the most complete parts? Are they listed on the internet?)))**** This group would be able to help....... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plasticville/?yguid=138744418 Don't quote me,...I'm thinkin' Doug Peck may have. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28250	From: seekr2@comcast.net	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: 100 Watt Transformer

How much equipment should I be able to run with a 100 watt AF Transformer Model 8B? I have some old trains that belonged to my father and would like to run two locomotives with 3-4 cars each on a track with 5 switches and a couple of accessories - bumpers, crossing signals, etc. Will that prove to be too much of a load? Peg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28251	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: NASG Co-Op ads

Hi Folks Please visit http://mysite.verizon.net/vze218x5/id5.html And see some of the Ads the NASG is involved with. Thanks should go to the folks who were very helpful at MR, CTT, S/Sn3, S Gaugain, Model Railroad News & Model Retailer A Special thanks to Phil Kosin and his staff at Chicagoland Golf magazine for their expert and kind help with the Model Retailer ad. I think it looks great. We included a post card questionnaire with the ad aimed at hobby shops. They are returned to me. I share the information with our S manufacturers as all of the folks who returned the postcards are asking for information about S products. Roy Hoffman ads the shops who stock S on the NASG "S Friendly Hobby Shops" page at http://s-scaletrains.com/sfriendly/index.html John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28252	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Flyonel GP7 e-unit

How do I disconnect the e-unit to run the Flyonel on my DC? The motor wires are red & Black. ie. Where do I connect the motor wires to pick up current without going through the e-unit? Thanks, Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28253	From: John G	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Plasticville

> I need some replacement parts for plasticville models. Try these links. http://www.ssstrains.com/Plasticville1.htm http://www.plasticvilleusa.org/home.html John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28254	From: lbdrummer3	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Sticky E units

Hi all, I got my trains out for the boys to play with and the E units are sticking on all of my engines. This seems to be a problem year after year. What's the best way to make these work smoothly again after a year of sitting in a box? In the past I've used a little 3 in 1 oil on the pivots of the lever and drum but that is only a temporary fix. I would like something more permanent. Thanks, Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28255	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units

In a message dated 12/08/2003 6:28:37 PM Mountain Standard Time, lbdrummer3@... writes: Hi all, I got my trains out for the boys to play with and the E units are sticking on all of my engines. This seems to be a problem year after year. What's the best way to make these work smoothly again after a year of sitting in a box? In the past I've used a little 3 in 1 oil on the pivots of the lever and drum but that is only a temporary fix. I would like something more permanent. Thanks, Fred Fred, You need to disassemble the reverse unit and clean it inside and out of all oils and gums that have built up over the years. You should also polish the drum and replace the finger boards. NEVER, NEVER use oil or lubricant of any kind on the reverse unit. It is the build up of residue from same that causes the sluggish action in the first place. Be sure to insulate the finger board fingers from the drum when you solder or unsolder the wires to them. A clean oil free reverse unit will work every time unless the pawl is bent. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28256	From: jaytewilli	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units

There was an excellent article on sticky e-units a few years back in the S Gaugian. It turns out the real culprit is the action of the brass lever against the steel stamping that it "hits" when it actuates. The brass is softer than the steel, so after many cycles the steel puts a very tiny, tiny wedge/groove in the brass. What happens then is the wedge or groove makes the lever get caught against the steel. The way you cure the situation is to take a small jewelers file and slightly (don't go crazy here) file the edge of the lever that hits the steel. Take some tuner cleaner to clean out any filings. That should fix the problem. I didn't believe it when I first read the article, but I've done this to many e-units since and it's fixed every one of them. I don't remember who wrote the article, but my hat's off to them!!! Hope this helps you out. Daryl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/08/2003 6:28:37 PM Mountain Standard Time, > lbdrummer3@y... writes: > Hi all, I got my trains out for the boys to play with and the E units > are sticking on all of my engines. This seems to be a problem year > after year. What's the best way to make these work smoothly again > after a year of sitting in a box? In the past I've used a little 3 > in 1 oil on the pivots of the lever and drum but that is only a > temporary fix. I would like something more permanent. > Thanks, > Fred > Fred, > You need to disassemble the reverse unit and clean it inside and out of all > oils and gums that have built up over the years. You should also polish the > drum and replace the finger boards. NEVER, NEVER use oil or lubricant of any kind > on the reverse unit. It is the build up of residue from same that causes the > sluggish action in the first place. Be sure to insulate the finger board > fingers from the drum when you solder or unsolder the wires to them. > > A clean oil free reverse unit will work every time unless the pawl is bent. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28257	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Upcoming shows

Hi all, For those of you in Florida, going to be in Florida or wish they were in Florida, there are 3 more train shows this month as follows: 12/13 - 12/14 GATS War Memorial Auditorium, 800 NE Eighth St., Fort Lauderdale. $7.00 11:00 to 5:00 both days 12/13 - 12/14 Sarasota Model Railroad Club Show Manatee Civic Center, 1 Haben Blvd., Palmetto $5.00 Sat. 10:00 - 4:00, Sun. 10:00 - 3:00 12/20 - 12/21 GATS Florida State Fairgrounds, Gate 2 Martin Luther King Blvd., Tampa $7.00 11:00 - 5:00 both days Hope to see some of you there ...Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28258	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units

I'm sure I won't be the only one to say this, but don't use 3in1 on anything like this, it will gum up and collect dirt and make a real mess. I use Radio Shack electronic cleaner. It is in a spray can with a brush on it. I usually just flood the unit and then "GENTLY" scrub the crud away. Works every time for me, and don't have to reapply for a long time. Tom At 08:26 PM 12/8/03, you wrote: >Hi all, I got my trains out for the boys to play with and the E units >are sticking on all of my engines. This seems to be a problem year >after year. What's the best way to make these work smoothly again >after a year of sitting in a box? In the past I've used a little 3 >in 1 oil on the pivots of the lever and drum but that is only a >temporary fix. I would like something more permanent. >Thanks, >Fred > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || UNION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| UP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ========================================================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28259	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units

I certainly sympathize with you. That is why I am converting all my flyer steam and diesel to DC. With the help of Chris Burger, I now have 3 steamers with the new DC motors and they run better than I could ever have dreamed. They still have the Flyer choo choo and smoke but they run so so smoothly, forward or reverse. Its expensive in the short run but a real bargain in the long run. Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28260	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Possible NASG Regional Convention: Kudzu 2004

S GAUGE SERVES THE SOUTH is a possible theme for an S gauge layout and maybe even a regional NASG Meet in May 2004. The details are not available yet but its something for many of us to think about. S has so much stuff to attract railfans in the South who hardly know we exist. Think about the SHS Southern F3s, Seaboard SW1s, the AM FP7s in Southern and ACL, Plus the AM E8s in IC / Cof G. Also the SHS/AM heavyweights from a decade ago in Southern and GM&O. And a larger (though not large enough) variety of freight cars of Southeastern roads than ever before. (I purposely left out the Crescent Limited which I do not think will impress this group). SO LETS THINK ABOUT IT DURING THE HOLIDAYS AND BE READY TO GET SERIOUS IN JANUARY.! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------- Jointly sponsored by historical societies for ACL-SAL, Southern Ry., Central of Georgia, Louisville & Nashville, and others. May 20-23, 2004; Headquartered at Southern Museum of Civil War and Locomotive History, Kennesaw, GA; Time is 8:00AM until 11:00PM each day, with public show. (http://www.southernmuseum.org), Full details: Kudzu Rails '04, 2829 Cherokee Street, Kennesaw, GA 30144, email kudzu04@..., website www.aclsal.org/kudzu04/index.html. Registration TBA, with admission to public show only on May 22 $5.00. Kudzu Rails '04, Atlanta area. Four days of prototype train trips, museum visits, slide programs, speakers, rail history and prototype model clinics, model displays, plus railroadiana show. Train trips tentatively planned to include rare mileage. adjacent to double-track CSX Atlanta-Chattanooga main. ---------------------------------------------- Message posted by Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28261	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/8/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units

Daryl, Thank you! An unsolicited endorsement of my "Fixin' Flyer" column--at least I think that's where you read it, as it is one "secret" I have been sharing for years. It also helps to smooth the top "rear" edge of the brass finger, and as many have posted, keep the darn thing clean, no oil! However, I do use the Cramolian cream on the drum to prevent arcing. A well-cared for reverse unit works very well, and although DC locos don't need them, there is something about having them that I like (masochism?? maybe!). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28262	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units

I'm lazy!! I just spray the snot out of it with Radio Shack's TV tuner cleaner. When I brought my 356 home from a train show a few years back,...it wouldn't budge! Gave it a spray and haven't touched the reverse unit since!! It runs fine,..one of my best runners. Now,...I'm sure not ALL cases will be fixed that easily. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28263	From: jaytewilli	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units

My pleasure David. Your articles have been a wealth of information. I've been "fixin Flyer" for myself and other folk going on 21 years now, and the reverse unit fix has eliminated much frustration!! You're right, a well maintained reverse unit does work well. I'm another one who thinks something is not right in the world if you don't have a 4-step reverse unit in your Flyer!!! The later model reverse units Gilbert came up with just don't have the same "feel", if you know what I mean. Where do you get the cream from to prevent the arcing? Daryl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > Daryl, > Thank you! An unsolicited endorsement of my "Fixin' Flyer" column--at > least I think that's where you read it, as it is one "secret" I have been > sharing for years. It also helps to smooth the top "rear" edge of the brass > finger, and as many have posted, keep the darn thing clean, no oil! However, > I do use the Cramolian cream on the drum to prevent arcing. > A well-cared for reverse unit works very well, and although DC locos > don't need them, there is something about having them that I like > (masochism?? maybe!). > S' > David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28264	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Re: Sticky E units

Daryl (and all) That is a gooooood question (where to get Cramolian Paste). A while back Chris Z (I think I'm remembering this right) twice arranged for the manufacture to put up some "smaller quantitiy" jars for us, via pre-order. Mind you, the "smaller quantity" will last an individual two lifetimes, and ran some $25 each. Now doing this was a labor of love by Chris, and he rightfully decided to step out of the co-ordinator biz. Sooo. . . .maybe you know someone near you who got a jar of it, I think there were some 45 or more individuals. The unit will work fine without it, it's just one "extra" step I like to take to help insure reliability. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28265	From: TCS	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

786 PSTX 50' coal gon. (7-99) http://mopac1.tripod.com/786.gif 787 ESCX 50' coal gon.(5-98) http://mopac1.tripod.com/787.gif 788 SLSF 50' plug door boxcar. (1-68) http://mopac1.tripod.com/788.gif 789 MKT WV caboose. (late 80's) http://mopac1.tripod.com/789.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28266	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Possible NASG Regional Convention: Kudzu 2004

Hi Earl Sounds interesting. You can count on any help the promotions committee can give. John At 11:50 PM 12/8/2003, tennsgauge@... wrote: >S GAUGE SERVES THE SOUTH is a possible theme for an S gauge layout and maybe >even a regional NASG Meet in May 2004. The details are not available yet but >its something for many of us to think about. > >S has so much stuff to attract railfans in the South who hardly know we >exist. Think about the SHS Southern F3s, Seaboard SW1s, the AM FP7s in >Southern >and ACL, Plus the AM E8s in IC / Cof G. Also the SHS/AM heavyweights from a >decade ago in Southern and GM&O. And a larger (though not large enough) >variety >of freight cars of Southeastern roads than ever before. (I purposely left >out the Crescent Limited which I do not think will impress this >group). SO LETS >THINK ABOUT IT DURING THE HOLIDAYS AND BE READY TO GET SERIOUS IN JANUARY.! >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >------------------------------------- > >Jointly sponsored by historical societies for ACL-SAL, Southern Ry., Central >of Georgia, Louisville & Nashville, and others. May 20-23, 2004; >Headquartered >at Southern Museum of Civil War and Locomotive History, Kennesaw, GA; Time is >8:00AM until 11:00PM each day, with public show. >(http://www.southernmuseum.org), Full details: Kudzu Rails '04, >2829 >Cherokee Street, Kennesaw, GA 30144, email kudzu04@..., website >www.aclsal.org/kudzu04/index.html. Registration TBA, with admission to >public show only on May 22 $5.00. > >Kudzu Rails '04, Atlanta area. Four days of prototype train trips, museum >visits, slide programs, speakers, rail history and prototype model >clinics, >model displays, plus railroadiana show. Train trips tentatively planned >to >include rare mileage. adjacent to double-track CSX Atlanta-Chattanooga >main. > >---------------------------------------------- > >Message posted by Earl Henry > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28267	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: MR Planning Guide

Hi Folks Just a heads up. Model Railroader's 2004 planning will have two S Scale Articles. "The Illinois Midland In S scale" by Bob Nicholson and an article by Tony Koester on how to expend the Illinois Midland. On sale in March John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28268	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: 100 W transformer

- GreetingS - Peg asked a fine question regarding transformers. In this particular case, the transformer was to operate one or two locomotives pulling three or four cars and a few accessories. AF steam type locos draw 1.2 to 2 A when operating over most speed ranges. Since the maximum voltage is around 18 V, the power computes to a value between 22 W and 36 W. A new transformer should happily deliver 75% of its 100 W rating without overheating. Old transformers are another story. As the sliders move back and forth across the windings, the wire of tte output winding is gradually rubbed away. the reduced crossection carrying the same current causes local hot spots. Should copper at one of these spots get rubbed so much that it bridges to the next turn of the winding, it shorts the turn and creates more heat. A transformer which has been run hot may have the insulating coating on the wire becoming brittle and then cracking with thermal cycling. This allows kturns to short together and pretty much dictates a rewinding of the transformer. I have run one train with a particular 8B at several shows with no problems. At the Neuse River Valley Show in Raleigh, NC, last month, about four hours was all it would take before becoming uncomfortable to hold one's hand on. The same thing happened earlier with a Lionel Type R (100 W) running two trains. It worked cooly for several shows, then lost voltage on one side (dual control) and ran hot. Best guess is to test the case for getting hot (hotter than warm) to the point of being uncomfortable. If that happens, cool it down. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28269	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Flyer sticky reverse Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2094

I fix the reverse units by placing a half-inch cube of foam under the tab protruding at the rear of the reverse unit, between the tab and the tender floor. This is just enough force to return the mechanism. For contacts, spraying with DeOxit D5 from Caig labs will eliminate the need for disassembly and polishing. I have not had much luck with anything that was supposed to be "just like it". I prefer a mechanical reverse relay to the solid state devices when converting old Flyer to can motors. They work for me. BTW - The foam I use is R-200U, 2lb / cu ft polyurethane. It is used to make the common acoustical foams. (Another acoustical product that is handy is mass loaded vinyl. It replaced acoustical lead and can be cut to add weight to cars. It is 1/8 inch thick but 1 lb / square foot.) Nick Colleran At 05:11 PM 12/9/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:26:40 -0000 > From: "lbdrummer3" <lbdrummer3@...> >Subject: Sticky E units > >Hi all, I got my trains out for the boys to play with and the E units >are sticking on all of my engines. This seems to be a problem year >after year. What's the best way to make these work smoothly again >after a year of sitting in a box? In the past I've used a little 3 >in 1 oil on the pivots of the lever and drum but that is only a >temporary fix. I would like something more permanent. >Thanks, >Fred >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28270	From: doug	Date: 12/9/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Videos

<<<One way to start might be to videotape our excellent clinics at the conventions and make them available to the members through the NASG Library.>>> I think this is a GREAT idea, especially now that NASG has its own "lending library" ! I seem to recall that NMRA used to do this....maybe it still does. And I recall borrowing their videos on occasion, and using them at some Bristol Club meetings years ago. One video we might begin with is the 1983 "clinic" which our late Tom Coughlan gave at the Woburn convention on the "History of S", complete with old kits, models, and pictures! Twenty years later, I still remember it.... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28271	From: AF336	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Manufacturing and trains

This may be one some of you wish to delete, so exercise your option. Below is a link to an Industryweek article that has some interesting statistics. With some of the discussion that happens here relative to jobs moving out of the country I thought some might be interested. http://www.industryweek.com/Columns/Asp/columns.asp?ColumnId=978 Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28272	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Sidebar - "Paypal Suspension Notice"???

Greetings, This is off topic to trains other than dealing with internet purchasing. I have received the (hopefully) attached notice that my paypal account can be suspended if I don't solve my "security problems". No logo, it doesn't sound too official, and I don't see "http" in the address. Anyone know if this is authentic? or a scam? I've forwarded it to eBay as I believe they own Paypal. Reply off list would be fine. Actually, better. I'm at least a week behind in reading my digests. Happy Holidays!!! Bill (nDb) Trefts (Hi, Linda, hope you're doing well!!) --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "suspension-account" <suspension@...> To: <wmhtreftsv@...> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 03 22:05:10 GMT Subject: PayPal can suspend your account Message-ID: <4q7y48$w$-09e9$ou9i@...> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28273	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: Sidebar - "Paypal Suspension Notice"???

999.99% SCAM.........Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <wmhtreftsv@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Sidebar - "Paypal Suspension Notice"??? > Greetings, > > This is off topic to trains other than dealing with internet purchasing. > > I have received the (hopefully) attached notice that my paypal account > can be suspended if I don't solve my "security problems". No logo, it > doesn't sound too official, and I don't see "http" in the address. > Anyone know if this is authentic? or a scam? I've forwarded it to eBay > as I believe they own Paypal. > > Reply off list would be fine. Actually, better. I'm at least a week > behind in reading my digests. > > Happy Holidays!!! > > Bill (nDb) Trefts > > (Hi, Linda, hope you're doing well!!) > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "suspension-account" <suspension@...> > To: <wmhtreftsv@...> > Date: Tue, 09 Dec 03 22:05:10 GMT > Subject: PayPal can suspend your account > Message-ID: <4q7y48$w$-09e9$ou9i@...> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28274	From: editor	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: FW: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: NEEDED: YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS, BOY SCOUTS G

Greetings Everyone, Debbie & I would like to take this moment to thank everyone for their support & contributions in our quest to re-launch the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide. Although this craft may not be taking off like a rocket ship, we are slowly rolling forward & gaining momentum each and every day! And as a effort of thanks and appreciation to our readers, we would like to provide twenty local youth groups around the world with a complete set of the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide. The details of these donations are posted on the www.ModelingGuide.com website in the Events page. Happy Holidays! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28275	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Model Railroad Scale Converter

Hi Folks Follow this link to model railroad scale converter http://www.csgnetwork.com/modrrscaleconv.html Hope it comes in handy. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28276	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: You think we pay alot !!!

I have been watching these two items as I have a complete unpunched set of the town....Then I found the train....????? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3161990122&category=19080 &rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3160506031&category=19080 &rd=1 Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28277	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: MR Planning Guide - Two S Articles

I think this is wonderful news. We should all be most happy. Lot's of publicity for S scale in a national magazine!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28278	From: David Avedesian	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Videos

I would love to purchase such a video. Please sign me up. Just let me know where to send the check. Thank you, David Avedesian Baltimore American Flyer Club, Potomac Valley S-Gauge Club -----Original Message----- From: doug [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:05 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; NASG YAHOO (E-mail) Subject: [S-Trains] RE: [S-Scale Modeling] Videos <<<One way to start might be to videotape our excellent clinics at the conventions and make them available to the members through the NASG Library.>>> I think this is a GREAT idea, especially now that NASG has its own "lending library" ! I seem to recall that NMRA used to do this....maybe it still does. And I recall borrowing their videos on occasion, and using them at some Bristol Club meetings years ago. One video we might begin with is the 1983 "clinic" which our late Tom Coughlan gave at the Woburn convention on the "History of S", complete with old kits, models, and pictures! Twenty years later, I still remember it.... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28279	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Videos

In a message dated 12/10/2003 8:36:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, david.avedesian@... writes: I would love to purchase such a video. Please sign me up. Just let me know where to send the check. Thank you, David Avedesian That brings up the subject of "S-Gauge Model Railroading" Volume VII. I finally got some tape from the 2003 NASG convention, so That along with some more "how to" tips and the 2002 Video of the California Conventions, tours, and layouts, we will get #7 into editing soon. It will be available just after the first of the year. For the first time ever it will be available as tape or DVD. Your choice. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28280	From: fahrwud	Date: 12/11/2003
Subject: Flyer articulated loco fans.....

Hi gang, I just uploaded a pic titled "Flyer Garratt??" to the Files directory. Just thought the 2-6-6-2 Flyer builders amongst us might like a crack at one of these. It's a South African loco with Brit/European design, but notice the wheel arrangement, huh, huh? Not to mention the fact that the sight of a Garratt-type moving through a Flyer tinplate curve or two would be quite a sight. Even as I write, two Atlantics sit on the shelf......waiting...... So, if someone DOES build it, at least you have a defence against "There ain't no such locomotive!" Regards, Fahrwud.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28281	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/11/2003
Subject: eBay item 3163287901 (Ends Dec-14-03 181151 PST) - SUPER RARE Lione

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3163287901 I saw this on the TCA list, as I don't collect Lionel. My question is why, when you see the item and the price of the items. Even if was for AF, I rather spend that kind of money on a nice rare 1958 set or the Simmons set that is on Ebay. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28282	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/11/2003
Subject: 370 problem

I need a little advice on where to start looking into why my 370 won't run. It just stopped, the reverse unit will cycle but the engine will not run. I've tried looking for loose connections with no luck. Any help would be appreciated. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28283	From: waldootten	Date: 12/11/2003
Subject: A new Flyer loco? Warning: eBay post

Anyone here need a 302B Atlantic? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3161509321

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28284	From: knockbill	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: #05 Atlantic

Hi Does anyone remember the thread on the 305 Atlantic, which showed up on ebay a while ago? I was looking in the archives for a picture, but couldn't find any reference to it.... Greenbergs Vol 1 lists it as made only 1n 1951,with "no reported sales", My 1995 price guide doesn't list it at all.... so I'm assuming it was a cast one piece boiler with smoke & choo choo,and the tin tender with reverse & the speaker, Any other info? Anyone see one? Thanks in advance John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28285	From: Bruce	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Portable Layout Plans

I've posted my current plans for a 6'x8' portable layout made up of two 6'x4' boards (http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun64/new_layout). My intent was to be able to run two trains at once and still have a small enough layout that I can put it in the back of my van to carry to local shows. I'm looking for any comments from those of you with lots of operational experience as to how well you think this layout might work and any possible improvements to the design. Thanks, Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28286	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: #05 Atlantic

Supposedly there was only 1 made...The one that was on e-bay was A homemade unit.....You could build one yourself by using the descriptions given in the guides and cross matching pieces...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] #05 Atlantic > Hi > Does anyone remember the thread on the 305 Atlantic, which showed up > on ebay a while ago? I was looking in the archives for a picture, but > couldn't find any reference to it.... > Greenbergs Vol 1 lists it as made only 1n 1951,with "no reported > sales", My 1995 price guide doesn't list it at all.... so I'm > assuming it was a cast one piece boiler with smoke & choo choo,and > the tin tender with reverse & the speaker, Any other info? Anyone > see one? > Thanks in advance > John > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28287	From: David	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: #05 Atlantic

The threads were messages: 16912, 16930, 16936 and 16939. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "knockbill" <jdefelice@n...> wrote: > Hi > Does anyone remember the thread on the 305 Atlantic, which showed up > on ebay a while ago? I was looking in the archives for a picture, but > couldn't find any reference to it.... > Greenbergs Vol 1 lists it as made only 1n 1951,with "no reported > sales", My 1995 price guide doesn't list it at all.... so I'm > assuming it was a cast one piece boiler with smoke & choo choo,and > the tin tender with reverse & the speaker, Any other info? Anyone > see one? > Thanks in advance > John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28288	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Portable Layout

Bruce, I like what I see. Also looks like you included some family pictures. I must say, your better half has the looks in the family ;~) I was toying in tought with two 4X8 boards cut to 48X64. The 48X32 end pieces would be assembled as one. This would give a layout dimension of 54X128 when erected. Also if one desired, the the 32X48 ends could be halved and an even larger layout made. Take a look at you crossing. I don't know if it can happen just the way you have it. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28289	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: wrong pictures

Sorry Bruce, I was uploading my vacation pictures, and they went into your layout album. I have deleted them. --- "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> wrote: > Bruce, > > I like what I see. Also looks like you included some > family pictures. I must say, your better half has > the looks in the family ;~) > > ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28290	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: #05 Atlantic

***(((Does anyone remember the thread on the 305 Atlantic, which showed up on ebay a while ago? )))**** According to the Greenberg 2003 book,..it lists it as "NM"...which means 'not manufactured',.."may have been cataloged or otherwise advertised, but it was not produced". Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28291	From: Rhett George	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Portability and Runability

- GreetingS - Bruce and Jim have some thought-provoking questions in the last Digest. I am enthusiastic about the layout Bruce proposes. In the Carolinas Division of Atlantic Coast S Gaugers my 6' by 2' modules seem to be readily accepted by most and hauled by some. Together they feature a long passing siding on the inner loop. Rigidity can be improved by using a sandwich with favorite, thin thickness of plywood on top of 1/2" extruded (blue or pink) foam building board on top of 1/8" paneling. foam is notched back so a wood block can be glued in to hold a dowel. Notch the foam to make space for connectors and wires to go between the halves. The bare layered panels will be stiff and will not weigh much more than the top layer of plywood. Regarding the recalcitrant 370, I would start with a careful in- spection of the contact fingers on the reverser and a hard look at the lead connections on the motor and at the motor brushes. Keeping the brushes in proper place on the motor is not easy. If one knows where to expect voltage drops from one rail thru the motor to the other rail, the open circuit point can be found using a voltmeter. All of this presumes that the armature has already been check for free rotation while resting on the track. CheerS. Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28292	From: knockbill	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: 305 Atlantic

Thanks for your input... According to Greenberg Vol 1, There was at least one made, it was seen in the Carnes collection...(maybe a fake?), I remember hearing that there were some frauds in the Vol 1 that were discovered after the book was printed..... I like to "restore " my Flyer to as near original as possible, & run it... I think making a replica of a 305 would be an interesting project, and am interested in any info I can get to be accurate... Thanks again, and any more info would be welcome Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28293	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: #05 Atlantic

The vol 1 lists it as made? in 1951...Atlantic with diecast engine, smoke, air chime whistle and choo-choo...305 rubber stamped 305 on engine and Reading Lines in diamond and American Flyer Lines in white on black sheet metal tender....If I tried to do one I would use pieces from the 50 to 51 period....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "John DeFelice" <jdefelice@...> To: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #05 Atlantic > Thanks Bob > I would like to replicate one for myself... Any other info on it? 1 piece > boiler, 1 or 3 hole tender?, af or afl on the tender? What kind of trailing > truck > Thanks again for replying > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert allen conner" <rcon7@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:20 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #05 Atlantic > > > > Supposedly there was only 1 made...The one that was on e-bay was A > homemade > > unit.....You could build one yourself by using the descriptions given in > the > > guides and cross matching pieces...Bob Conner > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:47 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] #05 Atlantic > > > > > > > Hi > > > Does anyone remember the thread on the 305 Atlantic, which showed up > > > on ebay a while ago? I was looking in the archives for a picture, but > > > couldn't find any reference to it.... > > > Greenbergs Vol 1 lists it as made only 1n 1951,with "no reported > > > sales", My 1995 price guide doesn't list it at all.... so I'm > > > assuming it was a cast one piece boiler with smoke & choo choo,and > > > the tin tender with reverse & the speaker, Any other info? Anyone > > > see one? > > > Thanks in advance > > > John > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28294	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Virtual railfan trip

Just in time for the holidays, the Penn Western Railroad invites you to take a free virtual rail fan trip over the entire 7 operating divisions plus the East Broad Top. Just go to www.s-scaletrains.com/pwrr and click on the railpass.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28295	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: 305 Atlantic

John, there were many items that Reggie Carnes was thought to have made up on his own. Many of these items showed up at Ted Maurer's auction of his collection. I and many other more notable collectors were there. The 305 was in that auction along with many items that werer thought to be fakes. We all bought something from that lot, and were very much in agreement as to where they were made. The tapes of his collection were available for awhile, but not now. I have a copy and have gone over and over it. Harwood Owings [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28296	From: knockbill	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: 305

Thanks again for all the help... I'm looking at this as an interesting project I can probably build it out of the parts box... I think my version would have a one piece boiler, tin tender with AF & the side holes, I'll probably just # it 305, no AC...By the way,I have a 2 hole tender, with only AF on the side,what is that for? Thanks for the input I'll let you know how it progresses...... John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28297	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 14, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28298	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2097

In a message dated 12/12/03 5:02:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Subject: Portable Layout Plans Bruce, I think it looks very workable. Heck, if you don't mind, I might build one myself and put your name on it for credit. I don't think we would be competing at any time. A very creative plan. Merry Christmas. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28299	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: S-Helper's 2003 (Rudolph) Christmas Car

Today we lucked out. A couple (?) weeks ago I contacted S-Helper and learned that "Rudolph" was sold out, but that they'd put us on a waiting list, just in case. I then contacted Doug Peck who was hopeful in the beginning, but then advised us yesterday that his were all spoken for, as well. Until earlier this morning I thought my wife and I would just have to find something else for that special train person in our life. So, I sent out a bunch of eMails to potential "S" dealers that "MIGHT" happen to have an extra "Rudolph" Christmas car. Then, this afternoon my wife calls me at work and says a package had arrived from S-Helper containing "Rudolph"! FANTASTIC! (Thanks, Don & Robin - from WHERE EVER you found an extra one!) Anyway, I then received a very quick eMail response from Robin at Chick's Hobby Center <chiks@...> saying they not only had an extra one, but actually had four (4) 2003 S-Helper "Rudolph" Christmas cars available - @ $49.95/ea. So, if you've waited too long, or just now decided to get one, here's another LATE CHANCE for you! ;-) Here's wishing everyone a Joyous Christmas and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperou'S' New Year! Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28300	From: William Lange	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: FW: 2003 Holiday Layout - take 2

I guess attaching the link would make it easier to see the pictures! :) http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/view_album.php?page=1 Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lange [mailto:blange3@...] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:05 PM > To: S-Trains > Subject: 2003 Holiday Layout > > My job's travel requirements have me WAY behind, but I've > posted some pics of this year's layout. There was some > interest in Woodland Scenics techniques a while ago. I'm > trying some of their methods and you can see how they come > out. I didn't have time for captions. I'll take care of that > next week while on the road. Hope you enjoy my struggles! > > For Rick Evans, there will be a cemetery!! > > While on the topic of travel, I'm splitting time between > Waukegan, IL and Exton, PA. Any good train related visiting > and shopping suggestions would be appreciated! I did discover > Nicholas Smith in Broomall PA. > > > Bill Lange > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28301	From: William Lange	Date: 12/12/2003
Subject: 2003 Holiday Layout

My job's travel requirements have me WAY behind, but I've posted some pics of this year's layout. There was some interest in Woodland Scenics techniques a while ago. I'm trying some of their methods and you can see how they come out. I didn't have time for captions. I'll take care of that next week while on the road. Hope you enjoy my struggles! For Rick Evans, there will be a cemetery!! While on the topic of travel, I'm splitting time between Waukegan, IL and Exton, PA. Any good train related visiting and shopping suggestions would be appreciated! I did discover Nicholas Smith in Broomall PA. Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28302	From: William Lange	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: 2003 Holiday Layout - take 3!

I guess I cut and pasted the wrong stuff! And to think, I make a living consulting on software! See if this works. http://s-scale.org/albums/albun32 Sorry about the inconvenience. Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28303	From: Dan	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 Holiday Layout

Bill, If you are in Exton you should check out Triple S Supply, www.ssstrains.com. They are located in Frazer, PA, not far from Exton and they have an excellent selection of S items. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Lange" <blange3@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2003 Holiday Layout > My job's travel requirements have me WAY behind, but I've posted some > pics of this year's layout. There was some interest in Woodland Scenics > techniques a while ago. I'm trying some of their methods and you can see > how they come out. I didn't have time for captions. I'll take care of > that next week while on the road. Hope you enjoy my struggles! > > For Rick Evans, there will be a cemetery!! > > While on the topic of travel, I'm splitting time between Waukegan, IL > and Exton, PA. Any good train related visiting and shopping suggestions > would be appreciated! I did discover Nicholas Smith in Broomall PA. > > > Bill Lange > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28304	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: 305, Carnes' fakes and my K305 Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2098

Regarding the Atlantic 305, there is no "may have", it was catalogued! "Sorry, not available" is added to the consumer catalog. Links to catalog pages are below: http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/D1637/AF_catalog_page16.htm http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1951Catalog/AF_1951_catalog_page19.htm http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1951Catalog/AF_1951_catalog_page18.htm Also, on the topic of Reggie Carnes' "fakes" I believe I heard some items were made in the factory. I believe Gilbert would make numbers to order for replacement shells (263 for instance). So the question becomes "Is a factory built fake, truly a fake?" Maybe it's just unauthorized! I doubt that there is anyway to know for sure today. However, I do have a repainted K305 on my bench waiting to be assembled. - Nick At 04:35 PM 12/13/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:04:27 -0800 > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> >Subject: Re: #05 Atlantic > >***(((Does anyone remember the thread on the 305 Atlantic, which showed up >on ebay a while ago? )))**** > > >According to the Greenberg 2003 book,..it lists it as "NM"...which means >'not manufactured',.."may have been cataloged or otherwise advertised, but >it was not produced". > >Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28305	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard Instead

After taking al the time to type this (I'm not a typist) as a reply, I decided it might be of some interest to the groups. Chuck Smith See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <GFTolhurst@...> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard Instead > I used 3/4 in white foam for modules. Back then I didn't have access to the > current blue or pink stuff which is infinitely easier to cut and shape > without making a mess. > On some later corner modules we used 1/4" luaun over the frame with 3/4" > blue or pink foam on it. In retrospect this may be the best combination. > The luaun adds very little weight but a lot of rigidity. We carved the foam > to match the track path and provide a sub roadbed with approximately 45 > degree sloped sides. This gives the track a nice elevated appearance with > the top of the roadbed 1" above the surface. It can also be left with the > top surface at the level of the roadbed and provide 3/4" depth for carving > out ditches beside the track, streambeds and similar depressions. Where you > want buildings or roads alongside the track you may want to leave the foam > surface at it's original thickness. On one module I laminated a small > mountain about 6" tall using layers of foam. You have choice to carve hills > to final shape or apply plaster to lamination edges. Best approach seems to > be to get it roughly to shape and apply a thin coat of plaster. > > I have used both cork and homasote roadbed, and both glue well to the foam > surface with carpenter's glue. We then glued AM flex track to the roadbed, > again with Carpenter's glue. After ballasting the track and cementing > ballast in place is very secure after several years and many train shows.. > > Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines > "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and > remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) > See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <GFTolhurst@...> > To: <cesmith@...> > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard Instead > > > > What thickness of foam do you use? > > > > Fred Tolhurst > > > > Maryville, TN > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28306	From: Neil Becker	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Erector Sets

Who owns the rights to the "Erector" name? C Crane offers this: http://www.ccraneco.com/erector-train-set.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28307	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Has this happened to anyone.

Was doing a service on a 322 the other day. Replaced top and bottom fingers. But the bottoms were made by Greg Kreft and the tops were made by someone else. Well, it would only run in one direction and i checked everything I could. I have done so many I could do this blindfolded. So I just went ahead and removed the top fingers and replaced them with Greg's. Bingo! it worked fine after that. Very odd. These other fingers are not that old but a little stiffer than Kreft's. Has this happened to anyone else? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28308	From: knockbill	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Re: 305...

In the catalog pictures Nick posted, The 1st picture(drawing), is of a 4 piece boiler, with SIT, as you can clearly see the reverse lever in the top of the boiler, & the smoke..... The 2nd pic shows a 1 piece boiler, (no handrails), and SIB... The 3rd clearly shows it wasn't available for sale... So, I, guess, if someone said he had or saw a 305, it could have been from the R&D shop, and never put into production, probably for cost reasons, I'm sure some of the original prototypes of any given engines have survived & are in someones collection, and without seeing it, the catalog pictures are what we have to go on... It could be a 1 or 4 piece boiler, however it must have had the smoke unit in the boiler, It wouldn't have fit in the tender with the speaker..... I wonder if they ever had an Atlantic with SIT?? John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28309	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Re: 305...

John, The speaker & smoke unit both fit easily in the tender, in a drawing. :) Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28310	From: knockbill	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: 305

Mike Is the drawing of a tin Atlanic type tender? The reason I thought it was SIT,was because the reverse unit is in the boiler, & its smoking!!!!!! John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28311	From: knockbill	Date: 12/13/2003
Subject: Has this happened to anyone.

Hi There must be a reason the set of fingers didn't work in the reverse unit.. I've noticed that some of the repro fingers are longer then others, & if you mix them with originals, one set will contact the drum, and the other may be too long,,, Could it be possible there was a cold solder joint on the first set? You mentioned the tension being heavier on one set, could the heavier set be pushing the the drum just out of contact with the light fingers? I would try & use the 1st set in a different reverse unit... Just some thoughts, I know you got it working so, now that they are removed, you may just have to try them in another reverse unit to pin point the problem have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28312	From: eagle_trains@swbell.net	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Pictures posted

I removed the old, unworkable layout plan from my photo album on Paul Yorke's page, and replaced it with a few pics of this year's Christmas layout ("layout" is stretching the term for just an oval of track) and some track plans I doodled. If you have time on your hands, you can view them at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album99 RegardS and Merry ChriStmaS, Skip Kendel Eagle Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28313	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: Pictures posted

Nice pix, Skip. I see Santa comes awfully early to your house! Dick Aurora, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: <eagle_trains@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Pictures posted > I removed the old, unworkable layout plan from my photo album on > Paul Yorke's page, and replaced it with a few pics of this year's > Christmas layout ("layout" is stretching the term for just an oval > of track) and some track plans I doodled. If you have time on your > hands, you can view them at > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album99 > > RegardS and Merry ChriStmaS, > > Skip Kendel > Eagle Trains > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28314	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: 305

I think the tin tender would be correct....the 295 shows what looks to be a tin tender too...these were artists conceptions...they might have used some older paintings and just added smoke.....need to compare with older catalogs...Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "knockbill" <jdefelice@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 305 > Mike > Is the drawing of a tin Atlanic type tender? > The reason I thought it was SIT,was because the reverse unit is in > the boiler, & its smoking!!!!!! > John > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28315	From: jackotrains	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Crown Models-S Gauge

Some months ago, I saw a listof all the S gauge models made by Crown but did not print it out and now I can't remember where (old age). Does anyone have this listing or know where I can find it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28316	From: pushpinss	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Off topic, but maybe not?

My question for the group, is when do you think it is appropriate to give a seller on Ebay a negative. I purchased something from someone on this list, I won't mention the name, but I am hesitant on giving this person a negative comment. For one thing, I don't know that I should give a person on this list a nagative, to me it's like stabbing a brother in the back. Also, what happened wasn't a big deal, but, I've seen people give negatives for it. Please respond, either on or off list. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28317	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Electronic Railpasses

Several of the people who went on the PW Virtual Tour, requested electronic railpasses while they visited. I prepared and sent them and also added them to the website. It led me to once again mention this fun aspect of model railroading. For a long time, many model railroaders, especially those with their own freelance pikes, have issued to and hopefully exchanged railpasses with their fellow modelers. I've been lucky to have exchanged them with model railroaders all over the world. I've received 42 of them and issued 71 in the four years that I've been doing this. Unfortunately, I believe that I'm the only S modeler doing it. It is a great opportunity to promote S in an interesting way and I hope other S people will consider doing it. I wouldn't mind getting the NASG involved by us having our own railpass and putting the necessary hooks and handles on the NASG website. The electronic railpasses, or epasses as they are sometimes called, don't have to be elaborate. Some that I get are quite simple. All you really need is access to software like MS Powerpoint to develop one. I use Corel Presentations for mine. If you want to explore this any further, just go to http://s-scaletrains.com/pwrr/webdoc8.htm and check them out. They're a colorful and exciting way to share our hobby (and S). Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28318	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: eBay feedback~~~DELETE if not interested!

**(((My question for the group, is when do you think it is appropriate to give a seller on Ebay a negative. I purchased something from someone on this list, I won't mention the name, but I am hesitant on giving this person a negative comment.)))*** Joe,...I'm assuming you've talked to this individual about the problem? Were they willing to correct the problem? (well, I guess not if you still aren't happy) I would suggest leaving a "neutral",....if you think a "negative" is a little TOOO strong! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28319	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: 2 questions for the group

Happy Holidays! 1. I am going to paint a plastic Atlantic body for a Christmas train. Should I use a coat of primer first? 2. Will the AF sawmill and barrel loader run on DC? I sure don't want to ruin them. As always, thanks for your help. Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28320	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: #05 Atlantic

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "knockbill" <jdefelice@n...> wrote: > Hi > Does anyone remember the thread on the 305 Atlantic, which showed up > on ebay a while ago? I was looking in the archives for a picture, but > couldn't find any reference to it.... > Greenbergs Vol 1 lists it as made only 1n 1951,with "no reported > sales", My 1995 price guide doesn't list it at all.... so I'm > assuming it was a cast one piece boiler with smoke & choo choo,and > the tin tender with reverse & the speaker, Any other info? Anyone > see one? > Thanks in advance > John I copied the digital photos from an eBay advertised 305 and posted them in the "Files" area. Here is a link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Gilbert%20305%3F%20You% 20be%20the%20judge/ Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28321	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2099

Does anyone know the date of the TCA meet in Largo, Fla.? It is usually around the first of Feburary. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28322	From: butchclimax	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Guilford Concept

Happy Holidays Group, I have a weird question- Can the cattle (in this case I suppose the First Class Cattle) actually vibe through the Guilford Station set-up. I'm thinking of using an old station, once I find it, for a cattle concept. Thanks, Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28323	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2099

The TCA meet in Largo is 2/7 at 9:30. It is to be held at the Largo Cultural Center. The contact is Lloyd Godwin, Jr. who can be reached at 863-668-5653. Barb WNHOLCOMB@... wrote: > Does anyone know the date of the TCA meet in Largo, Fla.? It is usually > around the first of Feburary. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28324	From: tomsmitty2001	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: erector train and erector rights

The last I knew, as of a couple years ago, the Meccano firm out of the UK owned the rights to Erector. How ironic that it came to this, as AC had bought out the American Meccano early on in the history of Erector. The photo shown in the link of a previous post looks "something" like a Dreyfus Hudson. If any of you S-Gaugers who are also Erector afficiandos have ever seen or been lucky enough to have one of the sets from the early 1930's that built the true "Erector Hudson", you'll find this latest incarnation completely abysmal. For those who haven't seen one or put one together, they were truly awesome. Over two feet long when the tender was attached, there weren't many standard Erector parts that went into the construction of this beauty. Although it was never intended to run on rails, the special sets did come with enough track to display the completed locomotive and tender, including brackets that would raise the locomotive's drivers just clear of the rails so that the motor which was installed in the firebox would make them turn. According ( and this is based on memory ) to Bill Bean's articles printed in "The Quarterly" quite a number of years ago, the reason AC turned out such a piece at the height of the depression was to keep his employees at work. The locomotive and tender, as I mentioned above, was built of nearly all special parts, only a few L-girders and some sheaves were standard Erector parts. The sets can be found still today, they were produced from about 1931 through 1936 or 7, and complete their cost is not cheap....something in the $1,500 to $2,000 range.....wish I still had mine ! Regard"S", Smitty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28325	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 14, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28326	From: TCS	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: new decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S and O scale

790 MKT 40' van trailer. (70's) http://mopac1.tripod.com/790.gif 791 MKT tank truck. (70's) http://mopac1.tripod.com/791.jpg 792 MKT 24 foot van trailer. (50's) http://mopac1.tripod.com/792.gif 793 DRGW 50' waffle boxcar. (repainted 11-03) UP logo. http://mopac1.tripod.com/793.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28327	From: AF336	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Proper deflection for reverse fingers

I asked this question on the chat and didn't get much response. Other than make them touch and ??? from Tom J. Go to this link for a picture. http://mwkiner.com/reverse.htm I would like to know what a good guideline is. Tom said make them touch, but I wonder if there shouldn't be a little deflection. Could someone out there with some time on one of their rebuilds let me know what has given them good results? Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28328	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: 370 problems

I want to thank all that replied to my request for help. That's what I like about this list, you can get answers most of the time. It turned out to be the reverse unit fingers, replaced upper and lower and it is now working, but is sticking some. On another note- Our local fire house had a toy and train show yestrday and I had my portable S gauge layout. It was the only operating layout. They kept me busy answering questions about S. I'm beginning to think there are a lot of AF trains still laying around waiting to get out of the attics. Didn't get any pictures, but will be set up next weekend in the Greensboro, MD library with about 10 other layouts from Standard to N gauge. Will try to get pictures While my son was breaking me he said a guy came up and said he couldn't believe they were making new S gauge equipment. Gave him Don's name. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28329	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: Off topic, but maybe not?

Joe, Before leaving any negative feedback, one should first attempt to correct the situation via private communications with the seller. Your posting sounded like a good start, it expressed that you were unhappy, although it wasn't a "big deal." Email, is by its very nature, difficult to use to express one's concerns/feelings as the recipient can't read your inflections and "body language." In the group, this sometimes leads to "flame wars" (although this group is particularly good about not doing that!). In such problem solving (eBay purchase dissatisfaction), patience is a virtue. Good luck! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28330	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/14/2003
Subject: Re: Proper deflection for reverse fingers

Mark, Your picture shows a good example, and the amount of deflection looks about right--it's not rocket science and "close" really is usually fine. As important, or maybe more, is the location of the finger on the drum after installation. The finger should center on the contact area when the drum is in the thrown position. I find most all of the replacement fingers are too long, so I bend the first sharp angle near the tip "tighter" and curve the tip a bit more. This usually does the trick. Also look for sharp edges on the finger, you don't want them touching the drum! Apparently the stamping dies are worn, or mis-cut, as many of the replacement fingers have burrs. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28331	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Proper deflection for reverse fingers

I compared the fingers I got from RFG to the originals and to some others. I found that the RFG fingers were the same thickness and lenght as the originals. While some others were too long and of a thicker material. Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > Mark, > Your picture shows a good example, and the amount of deflection looks > about right--it's not rocket science and "close" really is usually fine. As > important, or maybe more, is the location of the finger on the drum after > installation. The finger should center on the contact area when the drum is > in the thrown position. I find most all of the replacement fingers are too > long, so I bend the first sharp angle near the tip "tighter" and curve the > tip a bit more. This usually does the trick. Also look for sharp edges on > the finger, you don't want them touching the drum! Apparently the stamping > dies are worn, or mis-cut, as many of the replacement fingers have burrs. > S' > David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28332	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: request for construction photos

I have asked a number of you off-list, and I would like to make an on-list request. I would like to SEE some of your ideas for bench work and sub-surfaces that utilize foam (some without plywood). I am especially interested in light weight, strong, long-lived, easy methods that others can use to build their layouts. (Both portable and non-portable) Photos and diagrams will help convey these ideas. I can setup an album to collect these ideas, or you can add them you your existing (or soon to be existing) albums. Or you can send pictures and diagrams to me, and I can upload them. (I got DSL last week :-) If you live in a 'spider hole' and don't know about the photo album its at http://s-scale.org/albums/view_album.php?set_albumName=modelrail Enjoy! ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28333	From: WEG138@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Is this Company still around?

Hi "S" Gaugers: I have a box of straight track from a company that I cannot find on line. The Company's name is The A.C. Valu Toy Co., Inc. The only address on the Box is Oceanside, N.Y. 11572. Does anyone know if the Company is still around or has changed it's name? The track matches AF track insize and length. It has 10 railroad ties made of plastic and appears superior to the AF rails. Does anyone have any idea of the value of this track? Thank you for your consideration. Bill Greaves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28334	From: waldootten	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Need advice on resusitated 302

One of my employees wanted to buy her husband an antique train set to run under the tree for this Christmas and knowing my passion, asked me if I could cobble together a complete running set for about $100. Any opportunity to start a new person in S-Land, right? I am pretty new at this but want to learn more. Anyway, I took a sluggish 302 I bought in a lot sale and completely disassembled it, checked out all parts for damage, cleaned and filed the commutator, filed the brushes flat, lubed and oiled everything according to the service manuals I have, and used the very recent advice on this list to disassemble and clean the reverse unit. On the bench, she ran and smoked like a champ, using about 1.0 amps at 12v. But there was an occasional brief sound coming from it at speed that sounded like something inside the boiler unit (?) spinning out of control while it was running. I did have one piece left over (I think, my bench is the usual mess) -- it was one of those spacers like ACG used to separate the main rod from the drivers. I did replace one spacer on each side, though, so they are both there and the linkage is okay. I've studied all of the exploded views and can't see where another spacer might have been. Any ideas? Did ACG ever use a similar spacer somewhere near the commutator? I'm wondering if that specific area is where the noise is coming from. Could that noise be from the new surface on the brushes seating itself? I'm totally mystified. Thanks in advance, you all are a great resource, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28335	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Great American Train Show This Weekend in Tampa!

GATS this weekend at the Tampa Fairgrounds 11am to 5pm both days. See ya there! Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28336	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Off topic (but on season): Cat in tree

Anyone have any suggestions on how to keep my new cat out of the Christmas tree? Willaby, my new gray tabby, is about 8 months old. She finds the tree great fun to climb. (Annie, the 6 month old Siamese, ignores the tree. Callie, the 18 year old cat, died this fall.) Currently I am spraying Willaby with water when she climbs the tree and she hates it. But this only works if I am there to spray. Our tree is artificial and has been sprayed with bitter apple. Obviously this is not a deterrent. When the 'training' is over both the cat and the tree must be intact. Because this is 'off topic', please reply off-list. Thanks, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28337	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Box-car-boxes

In the late 1980s there was a company in California selling boxes for trains. It consisted of a flattish box with drop-on lid. (Think of a paper box and its lid only 3 inches tall.) One box, with the included dividers, would hold 8 AF hoppers / box cars in four rows of two. Or rearrange the cardboard dividers and it could hold six gondolas in one column. I ordered 22 boxes and assembled the last of them on Sunday. It is time to get more. I am ready to order 14 more. Does anyone know what happened to them? I tried phoning them on Sunday and the number was not in service. The boxes have some printing on them: Box Car Box P. O. Box 3592-112 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 (415) 967-7366 I also tried the area code 401 (San Jose) with the same results. In 1988 they were about $5.00 each plus shipping. Thank you for any information, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28338	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Mantle acrylic display case wanted

Dear Lists: Because of a new cat who's training is not complete, I need to encase my trains on the fireplace mantle in plastic. I would like a wooden base with a clear, acrylic box that drops on top. I need it to be about 20 inches long. Anyone recommend a brand and model? Thank you for your help, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28339	From: roy meissner	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Off topic (but on season): Cat in tree

We keep a spray bottle of water by the tree. If our cat starts batting orinments, we spray her with the water. It works good, and dosen't hurt the cat. Usually,when we pick up the spray bottle, she runs from the tree. Roy J Meissner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Interurbans (E-mail)" <Interurbans@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Off topic (but on season): Cat in tree > Anyone have any suggestions on how to keep my new cat out of the Christmas > tree? Willaby, my new gray tabby, is about 8 months old. She finds the > tree great fun to climb. (Annie, the 6 month old Siamese, ignores the tree. > Callie, the 18 year old cat, died this fall.) > Currently I am spraying Willaby with water when she climbs the tree > and she hates it. But this only works if I am there to spray. Our tree is > artificial and has been sprayed with bitter apple. Obviously this is not a > deterrent. > > When the 'training' is over both the cat and the tree must be intact. > > Because this is 'off topic', please reply off-list. > > Thanks, > Thorin > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28340	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Guilfod Concept

_ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:56:24 -0000 From: "butchclimax" <sager@...> Subject: Guilford Concept Happy Holidays Group, I have a weird question- Can the cattle (in this case I suppose the First Class Cattle) actually vibe through the Guilford Station set-up. I'm thinking of using an old station, once I find it, for a cattle concept. Thanks, Butch >>>>> Answer: In my experience cattle or the Guilford people are the same size velour pad and work on the same principle. You would only have to be careful of how the cattle go down the "Exit" and "Entrance" ramp. Even the Guildford people are a bit shy; the cattle may need some prodding as well. V. Neimanis Ottawa Canada

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28341	From: editor	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: FW: S/Sn3 Modeling Guide: NEEDED: YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS, BOY SCOUTS G

Debbie & I would like to take this moment to thank everyone for their support & contributions in our quest to re-launch the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide. Although this craft may not be taking off like a rocket ship, we are slowly rolling forward & gaining momentum each and every day! And as a effort of thanks and appreciation to our readers, we would like to provide twenty local youth groups around the world with a complete set of the S/Sn3 Modeling Guide. The details of these donations are posted on the www.ModelingGuide.com website in the Events page. Happy Holidays! Best regards, Richard E. Bendever, Editor S/Sn3 Modeling Guide P. O. Box 56 Somerville, NJ 08876-0056 ORDERS: 908/304-5545 www.ModelingGuide.com SMG Pop Valve: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModelingGuide/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28342	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Off Subject Cat

If you find something that really works, post it!! When our kids were young and at home, our house became the repository for every stay within miles. My conclusions from a resulting "scientific study" was that you can train a dog not to do the wrong things. But for the cat, the wrong thing is getting caught. Our cats wanted to roam the tables and the counters where my wife preped food. In my frustration I would shot the cat in the flank with a BB gun. After the second shot, all I had to do was rattle the gun. Then I was able to get a sheet metal tube, closed off at both ends, bit with some shot in it. When she got into stuff, all I had to do was rattle the tube. She would "cease and desist". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28343	From: AF336	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Off Subject Cat

This may seem extreme, but it works. I could not stop my dog from taking a leak on my mag. wheels. Every time I left the shop door open he went in and did the same thing to the side of my tool box. Whenever I would park my boat trailer in front of the shop he would wait for me to turn my back and he would have at the mag. wheels on the boat trailer. He would always wait until I left. I got the electric fence charger I use for the garden to keep out varmints. I hooked it up to the boat trailer and within 1 minute of me walking in the house I heard him yelp. He hasn't tried it since. The cats had a potted plant that they found to be much better than the litter box. No water spraying worked. As some have said for them and evidently my dog the game was to not get caught. I put a loop of wire up in the pot and plugged in the fence charger and the cat will not even sniff the plant any more. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28344	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Box-car-boxes

5.00!!!!!!!!! I go to office depot or similar....Get the fold up file boxes.....Fold them up....mark a line at 4" or whatever and cut them down....Cost about 1.00 each as they come in packs of 6....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> To: "S-Trains (E-mail)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "S-Scale (E-mail)" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Box-car-boxes > In the late 1980s there was a company in California selling boxes for > trains. It consisted of a flattish box with drop-on lid. (Think of a paper > box and its lid only 3 inches tall.) One box, with the included dividers, > would hold 8 AF hoppers / box cars in four rows of two. Or rearrange the > cardboard dividers and it could hold six gondolas in one column. > > I ordered 22 boxes and assembled the last of them on Sunday. It is time to > get more. I am ready to order 14 more. Does anyone know what happened to > them? I tried phoning them on Sunday and the number was not in service. > > The boxes have some printing on them: > Box Car Box > P. O. Box 3592-112 > Sunnyvale, CA 94088 > (415) 967-7366 > > I also tried the area code 401 (San Jose) with the same results. > > In 1988 they were about $5.00 each plus shipping. > > Thank you for any information, > Thorin > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28345	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: NEW! Classified Ads

Last night one of the chatters asked for classified ad space. Soooo! If you go to http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/adverts.php You will see a place to put your ads. If you post ads please provide enough information. You only need a login if you want to post an ad. You will need to log onto the S-Scale.org site, it is not the same login as the Yahoo, or the Photo Album. If you need to create one just follow the links. If you need me to add another category, just send me a note. If you see any error messages, just ignore them, I do. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28346	From: Robert Jackson	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Box-car-boxes

Thorin, At S Fest in St. Louis there was an "outfit" selling some sort of box for trains. I did not pay much attention to it, but perhaps it would suit your needs. A note to Moe Berk or some one with the AFGSL group might get you some specific information. Bob Jackson "Marty.Thorin" <thorin.marty@...> wrote: In the late 1980s there was a company in California selling boxes for trains. It consisted of a flattish box with drop-on lid. (Think of a paper box and its lid only 3 inches tall.) One box, with the included dividers, would hold 8 AF hoppers / box cars in four rows of two. Or rearrange the cardboard dividers and it could hold six gondolas in one column. I ordered 22 boxes and assembled the last of them on Sunday. It is time to get more. I am ready to order 14 more. Does anyone know what happened to them? I tried phoning them on Sunday and the number was not in service. The boxes have some printing on them: Box Car Box P. O. Box 3592-112 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 (415) 967-7366 I also tried the area code 401 (San Jose) with the same results. In 1988 they were about $5.00 each plus shipping. Thank you for any information, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28347	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: NEW! Classified Ads

Paul..I tried to get in but it kept saying invalid login....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <s_trains@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] NEW! Classified Ads > Last night one of the chatters asked for classified ad > space. Soooo! > > If you go to > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/adverts.php > > You will see a place to put your ads. > > If you post ads please provide enough information. > > You only need a login if you want to post an ad. > > You will need to log onto the S-Scale.org site, it is > not the same login as the Yahoo, or the Photo Album. > > If you need to create one just follow the links. > > If you need me to add another category, just send me a > note. If you see any error messages, just ignore > them, I do. > > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28348	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: S Gauge thread on OGR Forum

There is a nice S Gauge thread on the O Gauge Forum at http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=272008155 There is a little S gauge in all of us. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28349	From: Alan Evans	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Empire State Express set for Christmas?

List: Have AC Hi Rail smoke, whistle, bell & choo choo Empire State Express set with 4 cars (no track). Also S Helper SW-1 Pennsy and SW-1 Erie Lackawanna. If interested, contact me off list for details. Thanks. - Alan Evans Gahanna, OH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28350	From: John G	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Off topic (but on season): Cat in tree

> Anyone have any suggestions on how to keep my new cat out of the Christmas tree? We just throw a couple of old Lionel catalogs under the tree. Our "Flyer" cats just can't stand it and stay away! I've also had success using a motion detector hooked up to a rackety buzzer. John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28351	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/15/2003
Subject: Re: Need advice on resusitated 302

PHil, I suspect you have too much end play on your armature, and the commutator is hitting the brush tubes. This can be caused by wear, or by having the wrong armature/brush holder combination. Shimming can often fix the problem, using small diameter washers. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28352	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: 2 questions for the group

Hi Dick! On painting the plastic boiler Atlantic, I would use Testors model paint as it is plastic compatible. I usually use silver or gold spray paint first on the model, it really helps with covering with your main colour. As for running the accessories on DC, not to sure at this time.....Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 2 questions for the group > Happy Holidays! > > 1. I am going to paint a plastic Atlantic body for a Christmas train. Should I use a coat of primer first? > > 2. Will the AF sawmill and barrel loader run on DC? I sure don't want to ruin them. > > As always, thanks for your help. > > Dick > Aurora, OH > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28353	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: S on O site

There is a nice S Gauge thread on the O Gauge Forum at http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=63160042&f=57660482&m=272008155 There is a little S gauge in all of us. Isn't funny how O-gauge guys are constantly talking of buying S-Gauge on theO-Gauge site? I can only recall one thread on the S-Gauge site of a person wanting to quit S-Gauge for HO. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28354	From: chasman@har-nett.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: 336 motor problem

Hi all, I'm trying to get a 336 set-up and ran into a problem with the motor (armature) getting hot (to the touch) and it seems to be binding (armature to the field). It does this after about 10 minutes of running steady at 1/2 to 3/4 thottle (I'm using a AF 12B transformer), if I let the engine cool down for about an hour or so, it runs ok again. I have cleaned out the old grease & put in new, lubed all the wheels/axles and cleaned the commutator as well as possible without taking the assmy apart. Any suggestions on what to do? Thanks in advance, Charles

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28355	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Mantle acrylic display case wanted

Dear David: Thank you. I have already tried this idea. The boxes are bare of any other markings than the ones in my original e-mail. There isn't even the 'burst test' circle mark. Thorin -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:51 PM To: Marty.Thorin Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Mantle acrylic display case wanted Thorin, This particular cat sounds like it's too much to bother with!! Some cats cannot be "trained" to not do anything! BTW, check the cardboard boxes for any sign of a manufacturer & model number, it is likely to be a box originally designed for something else, and may still be available from the box maker. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28356	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: 2 questions for the group

Can't answer for sawmill but I know the Flyer barrel loader runs on an AC motor. Use a cheap used small, say 50W, transformer for these. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kielek Family" <mkielek@...> To: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...>; "S-Trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2 questions for the group > Hi Dick! On painting the plastic boiler Atlantic, I would use Testors model > paint as it is plastic compatible. I usually use silver or gold spray paint > first on the model, it really helps with covering with your main colour. As > for running the accessories on DC, not to sure at this time.....Al Kielek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rkuepper" <rkuepper@...> > To: "S-Trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:11 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] 2 questions for the group > > > > Happy Holidays! > > > > 1. I am going to paint a plastic Atlantic body for a Christmas train. > Should I use a coat of primer first? > > > > 2. Will the AF sawmill and barrel loader run on DC? I sure don't want to > ruin them. > > > > As always, thanks for your help. > > > > Dick > > Aurora, OH > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28357	From: willisbd@yahoo.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: cat comments

It has been a few years since our cats passed on, but I think we had pretty good luck with training by sticking their nose up against the offending object (kitchen counter, Christmas tree, plants, mess on the carpet, etc.) and then flicking their nose with a finger. One of the cats could not resist the little brass bells that hung from a garland on the Christmas tree. When we finally got through to him that he wasn't supposed to do that, he learned how to take a running start from the end of the living room, whack a bell as he went by the tree, and then disappear out the door at the other end of room. Train related, this same cat watched me set up my N gauge trains (before I dug out my old Flyer and got it fixed) on the kitchen table in a simple loop. I had the boxes stacked in the middle of the loop. He sat in a chair on the opposite side of the table and watched very intently as the train went around the loop. And each time the train came around to my side - behind the boxes from his vantage point - he looked under the table to see where the train went. It made for a good laugh. If cats weren't so entertaining we wouldn't put up with them. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28358	From: dlehnhoff@hotmail.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: DC accessories

Many of the accessories use a brushless motor and can't be used with DC. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28359	From: JConn444@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Need advice on resusitated 302

This sounds simple but could the part that may be left over, be the armature spacer washer? This is a small brass washer which goes on the front armature shaft. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28360	From: race944t@sitestar.net	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Try ceiling tiles instead of foamboard

I've used foamboard, but I prefer to use old ceiling tiles instead. They can be stacked and glued with liquid nails and are strong. You can shave them to look like rock formations easily, you can sand them smoothe, and if you put them under the track they make your trains run much quieter, you can dig out areas for ponds cut holes in them for tunnels, etc., etc., etc. Best of all, they are usually free from a contractor who is remodeling a commercial building and taking out an old ceiling. The major drawback is the dust when working with them. Since they are usually made from cornstalks or other porous materials they will create dust and debris while working on them. Keep a vacuum handy. Oh, by the way, they can be painted. Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@e...> wrote: > After taking al the time to type this (I'm not a typist) as a reply, I > decided it might be of some interest to the groups. > > Chuck Smith > See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@e...> > To: <GFTolhurst@a...> > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard Instead > > > > I used 3/4 in white foam for modules. Back then I didn't have access to > the > > current blue or pink stuff which is infinitely easier to cut and shape > > without making a mess. > > On some later corner modules we used 1/4" luaun over the frame with 3/4" > > blue or pink foam on it. In retrospect this may be the best combination. > > The luaun adds very little weight but a lot of rigidity. We carved the > foam > > to match the track path and provide a sub roadbed with approximately 45 > > degree sloped sides. This gives the track a nice elevated appearance with > > the top of the roadbed 1" above the surface. It can also be left with the > > top surface at the level of the roadbed and provide 3/4" depth for carving > > out ditches beside the track, streambeds and similar depressions. Where > you > > want buildings or roads alongside the track you may want to leave the foam > > surface at it's original thickness. On one module I laminated a small > > mountain about 6" tall using layers of foam. You have choice to carve > hills > > to final shape or apply plaster to lamination edges. Best approach seems > to > > be to get it roughly to shape and apply a thin coat of plaster. > > > > I have used both cork and homasote roadbed, and both glue well to the foam > > surface with carpenter's glue. We then glued AM flex track to the > roadbed, > > again with Carpenter's glue. After ballasting the track and cementing > > ballast in place is very secure after several years and many train shows.. > > > > Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines > > "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it > and > > remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, > etc.) > > See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <GFTolhurst@a...> > > To: <cesmith@e...> > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard Instead > > > > > > > What thickness of foam do you use? > > > > > > Fred Tolhurst > > > > > > Maryville, TN > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28361	From: race944t@sitestar.net	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Try ceiling tiles instead of foamboard

I've used foamboard, but I prefer to use old ceiling tiles instead. They can be stacked and glued with liquid nails and are strong. You can shave them to look like rock formations easily, you can sand them smoothe, and if you put them under the track they make your trains run much quieter, you can dig out areas for ponds cut holes in them for tunnels, etc., etc., etc. Best of all, they are usually free from a contractor who is remodeling a commercial building and taking out an old ceiling. The major drawback is the dust when working with them. Since they are usually made from cornstalks or other porous materials they will create dust and debris while working on them. Keep a vacuum handy. Oh, by the way, they can be painted. Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@e...> wrote: > After taking al the time to type this (I'm not a typist) as a reply, I > decided it might be of some interest to the groups. > > Chuck Smith > See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@e...> > To: <GFTolhurst@a...> > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard Instead > > > > I used 3/4 in white foam for modules. Back then I didn't have access to > the > > current blue or pink stuff which is infinitely easier to cut and shape > > without making a mess. > > On some later corner modules we used 1/4" luaun over the frame with 3/4" > > blue or pink foam on it. In retrospect this may be the best combination. > > The luaun adds very little weight but a lot of rigidity. We carved the > foam > > to match the track path and provide a sub roadbed with approximately 45 > > degree sloped sides. This gives the track a nice elevated appearance with > > the top of the roadbed 1" above the surface. It can also be left with the > > top surface at the level of the roadbed and provide 3/4" depth for carving > > out ditches beside the track, streambeds and similar depressions. Where > you > > want buildings or roads alongside the track you may want to leave the foam > > surface at it's original thickness. On one module I laminated a small > > mountain about 6" tall using layers of foam. You have choice to carve > hills > > to final shape or apply plaster to lamination edges. Best approach seems > to > > be to get it roughly to shape and apply a thin coat of plaster. > > > > I have used both cork and homasote roadbed, and both glue well to the foam > > surface with carpenter's glue. We then glued AM flex track to the > roadbed, > > again with Carpenter's glue. After ballasting the track and cementing > > ballast in place is very secure after several years and many train shows.. > > > > Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines > > "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it > and > > remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, > etc.) > > See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <GFTolhurst@a...> > > To: <cesmith@e...> > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard Instead > > > > > > > What thickness of foam do you use? > > > > > > Fred Tolhurst > > > > > > Maryville, TN > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28362	From: hcopter51@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: NEW! Classified Ads

I get the same error message, John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul Yorke <s_trains@y...> wrote: > Last night one of the chatters asked for classified ad > space. Soooo! > > If you go to > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/adverts.php > > You will see a place to put your ads. > > If you post ads please provide enough information. > > You only need a login if you want to post an ad. > > You will need to log onto the S-Scale.org site, it is > not the same login as the Yahoo, or the Photo Album. > > If you need to create one just follow the links. > > If you need me to add another category, just send me a > note. If you see any error messages, just ignore > them, I do. > > > ===== > Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com > Photography - Computers - Trains > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28363	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: cat comments

Cute stories for a fellow cat lover. My 14.8 pound cat is fascinated by my 1921 wind-up train that circles the Christmas tree. When it winds down, he places his huge paw behind the engine to try and start it again. I don't know how he knows it is the engine that pulls the cars, but he does. Barb willisbd@... wrote: > It has been a few years since our cats passed on, but I think we had > pretty good luck with training by sticking their nose up against the > offending object (kitchen counter, Christmas tree, plants, mess on > the carpet, etc.) and then flicking their nose with a finger. > > One of the cats could not resist the little brass bells that hung > from a garland on the Christmas tree. When we finally got through to > him that he wasn't supposed to do that, he learned how to take a > running start from the end of the living room, whack a bell as he > went by the tree, and then disappear out the door at the other end of > room. > > Train related, this same cat watched me set up my N gauge trains > (before I dug out my old Flyer and got it fixed) on the kitchen table > in a simple loop. I had the boxes stacked in the middle of the > loop. He sat in a chair on the opposite side of the table and > watched very intently as the train went around the loop. And each > time the train came around to my side - behind the boxes from his > vantage point - he looked under the table to see where the train > went. It made for a good laugh. If cats weren't so entertaining we > wouldn't put up with them. > > Bruce > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28364	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: Try ceiling tiles instead of foamboard

Hello....Be sure you are wearing a DUST MASK and EYE protection as ceiling tiles are made with SILICA which is very hazardous to your airways and lungs! While apprenticing as an electrician, it was quite common when lifting out a ceiling tile to get dust flying everywhere, and it was usual to get some of it in the eye if not wearing eye protection. The small partitcles will SCRATCH the surface of your eye! Personally, I'd rather use foam board......... Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <race944t@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Try ceiling tiles instead of foamboard > I've used foamboard, but I prefer to use old ceiling tiles instead. > They can be stacked and glued with liquid nails and are strong. You > can shave them to look like rock formations easily, you can sand them > smoothe, and if you put them under the track they make your trains > run much quieter, you can dig out areas for ponds cut holes in them > for tunnels, etc., etc., etc. Best of all, they are usually free > from a contractor who is remodeling a commercial building and taking > out an old ceiling. > > The major drawback is the dust when working with them. Since they > are usually made from cornstalks or other porous materials they will > create dust and debris while working on them. Keep a vacuum handy. > Oh, by the way, they can be painted. > > Bill Clark > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@e...> wrote: > > After taking al the time to type this (I'm not a typist) as a > reply, I > > decided it might be of some interest to the groups. > > > > Chuck Smith > > See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@e...> > > To: <GFTolhurst@a...> > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard Instead > > > > > > > I used 3/4 in white foam for modules. Back then I didn't have > access to > > the > > > current blue or pink stuff which is infinitely easier to cut and > shape > > > without making a mess. > > > On some later corner modules we used 1/4" luaun over the frame > with 3/4" > > > blue or pink foam on it. In retrospect this may be the best > combination. > > > The luaun adds very little weight but a lot of rigidity. We > carved the > > foam > > > to match the track path and provide a sub roadbed with > approximately 45 > > > degree sloped sides. This gives the track a nice elevated > appearance with > > > the top of the roadbed 1" above the surface. It can also be left > with the > > > top surface at the level of the roadbed and provide 3/4" depth > for carving > > > out ditches beside the track, streambeds and similar > depressions. Where > > you > > > want buildings or roads alongside the track you may want to leave > the foam > > > surface at it's original thickness. On one module I laminated a > small > > > mountain about 6" tall using layers of foam. You have choice to > carve > > hills > > > to final shape or apply plaster to lamination edges. Best > approach seems > > to > > > be to get it roughly to shape and apply a thin coat of plaster. > > > > > > I have used both cork and homasote roadbed, and both glue well to > the foam > > > surface with carpenter's glue. We then glued AM flex track to the > > roadbed, > > > again with Carpenter's glue. After ballasting the track and > cementing > > > ballast in place is very secure after several years and many > train shows.. > > > > > > Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines > > > "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to > open it > > and > > > remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, > Lincoln, > > etc.) > > > See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <GFTolhurst@a...> > > > To: <cesmith@e...> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:35 AM > > > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard Instead > > > > > > > > > > What thickness of foam do you use? > > > > > > > > Fred Tolhurst > > > > > > > > Maryville, TN > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28365	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: cat comments

I remember a long time ago.....About our first or second Christmas we had a tree.....that was the year Debbie drug out all the "G" gauge stuff and had it running all over the house...Any way the cat tried to attack the train......IT HIT HIM AND RAN OVER HIS PAWS....he never bothered the train again....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28366	From: hcopter51@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Smoke

What is the best smoke fluid available and how much to use. Just curious as to what the group likes to use. Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28367	From: dlehnhoff@hotmail.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: smoke fluid

I use both Super Smoke and Anormal #4. I do think the Anormal stuff smells too much like kerosene though it smokes well. Still like the Lehigh Valley the best but I guess it's no longer made. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28368	From: rodgers_carl@hotmail.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: Smoke

I use the RFG Original American Flyer Formula Fluid. To me it works and smells just like the name says. Actually I've found all RFG parts to be superior to most others. And you can order online at www.rfgco.com Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, hcopter51@a... wrote: > What is the best smoke fluid available and how much to use. Just > curious as to what the group likes to use. Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28369	From: NotColdEnough@hotmail.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: Guilford Concept

"butchclimax" <sager@s...> wrote:> > > Can the cattle (in this case I suppose the First Class Cattle) > actually vibe through the Guilford Station set-up. I just tried this and it works fine. The bases on my cows are a little bigger than the people. Still managed to go down & up Guilford station. I was reluctant to run the cows through the passenger car for fear they might get jamed (& turned into steaks by the dining car cook). Also the Guilford people work fine in the stock station and actually look like they are herding the cattle! John Gasal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28370	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Foamboard Preferable To Ceiling Tiles - Personal Experience

Having worked with both, I can say that foam board is preferable. Ceiling tiles are dusty, difficult to cut and shape. Foamboard can be cut into small strips and those attached on to larger pieces, painted and made to look as good as or better than the old ceiling board cliffs. Painting is the key. Paul S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28371	From: keefer1	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: Try ceiling tiles instead of foamboard

It also sucks up moisture! --- Kielek Family <mkielek@...> wrote: > Hello....Be sure you are wearing a DUST MASK and > EYE protection as ceiling > tiles are made with SILICA which is very hazardous > to your airways and > lungs! While apprenticing as an electrician, it was > quite common when > lifting out a ceiling tile to get dust flying > everywhere, and it was usual > to get some of it in the eye if not wearing eye > protection. The small > partitcles will SCRATCH the surface of your eye! > Personally, I'd rather use > foam board......... > Al Kielek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <race944t@...> > To: <> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:03 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Try ceiling tiles instead of > foamboard > > > > I've used foamboard, but I prefer to use old > ceiling tiles instead. > > They can be stacked and glued with liquid nails > and are strong. You > > can shave them to look like rock formations > easily, you can sand them > > smoothe, and if you put them under the track they > make your trains > > run much quieter, you can dig out areas for ponds > cut holes in them > > for tunnels, etc., etc., etc. Best of all, they > are usually free > > from a contractor who is remodeling a commercial > building and taking > > out an old ceiling. > > > > The major drawback is the dust when working with > them. Since they > > are usually made from cornstalks or other porous > materials they will > > create dust and debris while working on them. > Keep a vacuum handy. > > Oh, by the way, they can be painted. > > > > Bill Clark > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "C. E. Smith" > <cesmith@e...> wrote: > > > After taking al the time to type this (I'm not a > typist) as a > > reply, I > > > decided it might be of some interest to the > groups. > > > > > > Chuck Smith > > > See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@e...> > > > To: <GFTolhurst@a...> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 12:48 PM > > > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard > Instead > > > > > > > > > > I used 3/4 in white foam for modules. Back > then I didn't have > > access to > > > the > > > > current blue or pink stuff which is infinitely > easier to cut and > > shape > > > > without making a mess. > > > > On some later corner modules we used 1/4" > luaun over the frame > > with 3/4" > > > > blue or pink foam on it. In retrospect this > may be the best > > combination. > > > > The luaun adds very little weight but a lot of > rigidity. We > > carved the > > > foam > > > > to match the track path and provide a sub > roadbed with > > approximately 45 > > > > degree sloped sides. This gives the track a > nice elevated > > appearance with > > > > the top of the roadbed 1" above the surface. > It can also be left > > with the > > > > top surface at the level of the roadbed and > provide 3/4" depth > > for carving > > > > out ditches beside the track, streambeds and > similar > > depressions. Where > > > you > > > > want buildings or roads alongside the track > you may want to leave > > the foam > > > > surface at it's original thickness. On one > module I laminated a > > small > > > > mountain about 6" tall using layers of foam. > You have choice to > > carve > > > hills > > > > to final shape or apply plaster to lamination > edges. Best > > approach seems > > > to > > > > be to get it roughly to shape and apply a thin > coat of plaster. > > > > > > > > I have used both cork and homasote roadbed, > and both glue well to > > the foam > > > > surface with carpenter's glue. We then glued > AM flex track to the > > > roadbed, > > > > again with Carpenter's glue. After ballasting > the track and > > cementing > > > > ballast in place is very secure after several > years and many > > train shows.. > > > > > > > > Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung > Valley Lines > > > > "Better to keep your mouth closed and be > thought a fool than to > > open it > > > and > > > > remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to > be by Einstein, > > Lincoln, > > > etc.) > > > > See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <GFTolhurst@a...> > > > > To: <cesmith@e...> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:35 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Use Foamboard > Instead > > > > > > > > > > > > > What thickness of foam do you use? > > > > > > > > > > Fred Tolhurst > > > > > > > > > > Maryville, TN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28372	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Re: Smoke

***(((What is the best smoke fluid available and how much to use. Just curious as to what the group likes to use. Thanks,John B.)))*** Not saying it's the BEST,..cuz I don't know,...but I'm using Anormal1's fluid,..I'm happy with it! I also used to use LVTS. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28373	From: rklesc@kartuku.co.id	Date: 12/16/2003
Subject: Live Chat at Model Railroad Hobby

Model Railroad Hobby has added free live chat facilities. As traffic builds I would hope to be able to have hosted rooms for different scales and other aspects of model railroading, e.g. scenery, layout design, DCC and more. If you would be interested in hosting a room at a predetermined time each week then please drop me a note. <http://modelrailroadhobby.com/Chat/home.asp> to log-in after registering. <http://modelrailroadhobby.com/Chat/register.asp> to register and log-in. Registration is free and easy. Simply provide a user name and password and you're ready to go. BTW a new UP poll is running and new articles added including a new subcategory called "This Odd World" in the Weblog (Blog) starting with two humorous real railroad news stories. <http://modelrailroadhobby.com/Publish> Ray Klesc <http://modelrailroadhobby.com>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28374	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: 336 motor problem

Hey Charles! There are a couple of things that can be causing this problem. First see if you can spin the armature with your finger easily. If that is OK, then with the engine still upside down, move the rear set of drivers with your thumbs, and watch the armature play, if it seems restrictive, then you will need to dissassemble the loco and see if there is too many washers where the worm gear (armature)passes thru the bronze bushing into the main chassis. Sometimes, there are washers on the commutator end of the armature, which can restrict thrust movement. This is also a good time to clean the face of the commutator and check for "grooves" caused by springs with to much tension and or replacement brushes make from to hard of material. At this time, with the armature removed from the chassis, roll the chassis on a test track and check for binding in the mechanism, perhaps the drivers maybe slightly out of quarter. There are many more other things to consider....I hope this helps to get things "rolling"! Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: <chasman@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 336 motor problem > Hi all, > > I'm trying to get a 336 set-up and ran into a problem with the motor > (armature) getting hot (to the touch) and it seems to be binding > (armature to the field). It does this after about 10 minutes of > running steady at 1/2 to 3/4 thottle (I'm using a AF 12B transformer), > if I let the engine cool down for about an hour or so, it runs ok > again. > I have cleaned out the old grease & put in new, lubed all the > wheels/axles and cleaned the commutator as well as possible without > taking the assmy apart. > > Any suggestions on what to do? > > Thanks in advance, > Charles > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28375	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: Portable Layout Plans

Hi Bruce...Looks good! It is quite similar to the 6'x8' I had at our last show in June. The only things I would suggest, would be to wire each set of crossovers to only one switch control(interlock)and same for the double ended siding this will reduce the chance of operator error and head on collisions! One other thing I did on my layout was to put an additional passing siding on the outside loop, this allowed me to run either my MP set or the freight train, plus a switcher working the inside loop pushing coal and log cars to demonstrate the accessories. Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" <willisbd@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Portable Layout Plans > I've posted my current plans for a 6'x8' portable layout made up of > two 6'x4' boards > (http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun64/new_layout). My intent > was to be able to run two trains at once and still have a small > enough layout that I can put it in the back of my van to carry to > local shows. I'm looking for any comments from those of you with > lots of operational experience as to how well you think this layout > might work and any possible improvements to the design. > > Thanks, > Bruce > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28376	From: waldootten@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: Box-car-boxes

Someone mentioned that a vendor was selling train storage boxes at St. Louis S-Fest over Halloween weekend. I saw those boxes and cannot find the business card I got from them -- not yet, anyway. Nor do I remember the price, but I believe it was something like $25 each. But I am pretty sure this is one of their boxes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3164987736 Merry Christmas, Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28377	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Reverse loop

I again need some quick help from the group. While trying to expand my portable layout I've run into a problem with a reverse loop. I need a refresher 101 course on how to wire it. I'm using DC power to the tracks. Can't find my HO instructions (packed away when I went back to S). Thanks Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28378	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2102

Operating accessories on DC ? Why. They were designed for AC, and work best on AC. I prefer to run my locomotives on AC, AC makes the reverse loops work much betted, as most of you know, the track power (base post & variable posts) can be reversed when the train is running on that track and the loco. just keeps running along. I do have one track that I can change from AC to DC at the throw of a switch for my 332DC , 342DC and my Miller switcher. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28379	From: wmhtreftsv@juno.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: MTH Sawmill problem

Greetings, Well, I finally got enough hutzpah together to get my MTH Sawmill out for the church layout. Hadn't done anymore than look at it in the box this year. Hooked it up, tried it out, and only about 3 boards managed to come out of the mill without jamming. The log carriage doesn't return, either. I know there had been a thread on this last year, but could someone send me a compilation of answers? Thanks, Bill (nDb) Trefts ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28380	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: SMOKE & Small blantant Ad

Here in my opinion is why I feel my fluid to be a better "DEAL" For the price of $10.00 you get a 4oz bottle instead of a 2oz for $7.00. The shipping is $3.50 for mine with others at $3.00 & up to $4.50. Second if you buy from anyone else & do not like it you are stuck with it. With mine you get ALL of your money back including shipping. Just E-mail me & you get your money back. No one feels as strong about their product as I do to make this kind of offer. The scent is a thing of choice as far as a person goes. All I can say is try it, you have nothing to lose. A few of the dealers on this list carry my smoke fluid. Ask your dealer to contact me for wholesale prices so you don't have to pay shipping. Large clubs that buy 12 bottles or more can get the wholesale price. Or buy in the larger 8oz & 16 oz bottles. If the person that is using the #4 that said it smelled of Kerosene contact me off list & I will send a new bottle out. I believe the old bottles I used were having an effect on the scent. I will send another at no charge. Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28381	From: hcopter51@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Blatant Ad

I have a 21(812) T&P diesel switcher for sale. It is in excellent running and physical condition. All original, working knuckle couplers front and rear. Asking $165.00 and I will pay for S&I. Contact me off list if interested. Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28382	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: Box-car-boxes

I also saw that box and our local "S" Dealer, Norcal Trains in Hayward was selling them. The single level boxes were what the thread was asking about which are easier to handle and access the trains. They are available from another supplier. ----- Original Message ----- From: <waldootten@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Box-car-boxes > Someone mentioned that a vendor was selling train storage boxes at > St. Louis S-Fest over Halloween weekend. I saw those boxes and > cannot find the business card I got from them -- not yet, anyway. > Nor do I remember the price, but I believe it was something like $25 > each. > > But I am pretty sure this is one of their boxes: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3164987736 > > Merry Christmas, > > Phil K > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28383	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: 336 Motor problem

Uh Oh! Sounds like serious problems there. I'd say that you have a burned-out armature segment. My "half-fast" check would be to put power leads to two armature segments. You should get a spark. If you did it between the one segment burned out, and the other not, there will be no spark, or a very faint one, and maybe even smoke or a glow between the segments. If that "spooks" you, you could use a continuity tester, with no continuity between 2 segments. On the smaller motors, if the motor is stopped on the 2 "live" segments, it will usually spin by itself. If on one dead and one live one, it won't, unless you spin the armature. My guess is that with that big motor, it has enough magnetic force to get it moving anyway. The Soulution? The armature needs to be rewound. The absoulute artist of rewind is/was Charlie Burt up in Michigan somewhere. I don't know if he's still doing it. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28384	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: 709 LOCKOUT ELIMINATOR

What is a 709 lock out eliminator for? & approx. what are they worth? Mike S. Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28385	From: rtg@ee.duke.edu	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Certain Accessories run on DC?

- GreetingS - Dick K asked a good safety (for the accessory) question. I am not yet privileged to own a Gilbert AF sawmill or barrel loader. However, I believe they have motors similar to the one in the talking station. This motor will not run on DC. Generally, if the motor does not have brushes similar to those in the Gilbert AF locomotives, it will not run on DC. Some recent accessories (and locos) have can motors in which the brushes are hidden. Can motors will run on DC - in fact - DC only. They are equipped with electronics to provide DC from AC. CheerS and Merry Christmas, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28386	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: TRACK TRIPS

Another question: For the 761 semaphore the "book" calls for 2 #697 track trips, can the 696 track trips also be used? I have two 761's & got 2 of each track trips with them. Thank you for your help, Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28387	From: rodgers_carl@hotmail.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: AFP Products

Does anyone know if AFP Products in Michigan, is still in business. I have tried to find a phone number but can't. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28388	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Smoke Fluid

Here's a little something to chew on: I talked to someone at Mike's Train House a few years ago, and they liked the LVTS stuff because it didn't have anything "organic" in it. It burned through the unit without residue. Have you torn apart an old AF smoke unit and seen the brown gunk and crud inside? I believe that it's from the cedar and/or pine oil that AF used in their smoke fluids. One of the worst that I ran across is the purple Life-like fluid (determined from the licorice or something smell) that seemed to CORRODE smoke units! Anyway, the LVTS is no longer made (for now) because of supply problems concerning Mike's Train House. Don't know details, so I can't say any more. I do know that the guy who made it is a chemist, and copied some of the old AF fluid another guy had around. One "QUICKIE FIX" that I use to rejuvenate an old smoke unit without tearing it down, is to use mineral spirits, It doesn't smell great, but many times gets things going again until I rebuild it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28389	From: am-flyr@telus.net	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: OUR NEW CLASSIFIED PAGE...

The New Clasified Page that Paul put up works GREAT..Now if a FEW of you in this group would start looking around and START POSTING we can Defeat E bay....Take A LOOK .....eh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28390	From: robt.john@earthlink.net	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: 709 LOCKOUT ELIMINATOR

Hi Mike. They look like a reverse loop relay but are installed in block sections of track (semaphore, stop stations, etc.) designed to stop and start trains automatically. They Eliminator is designed to provide a trickle of current to the block so the e-unit of the engine will not trip when they enter the "dead" block, stop, and then start again. Thus, they lock the e-unit in whatever position it was in when the engine entered the block (forward or reverse). Hope this helps. ~~Robert Johnson ~~Hayward, California --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: > What is a 709 lock out eliminator for? & approx. what are they worth? Mike > S. > > Michael Strickland > 6834 Quinton Ln > Tujunga, Ca 91042 > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28391	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: OUR NEW CLASSIFIED PAGE...

***(((The New Clasified Page that Paul put up works GREAT..Now if a FEW of you in this group would start looking around and START POSTING we can Defeat E bay....Take A LOOK .....eh)))*** Can someone please send me the link. I've deleted before I bookmarked!! :^( Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28392	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/17/2003
Subject: Re: OUR NEW CLASSIFIED PAGE...

Thanks all!! I got it! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28393	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: How much Smoke Fluid does it take?

Dear All, The GURU says, "eight to ten drops" - ofcourse Challenger Smoke Fluid, it is the "Real McCoy"! Available here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3164496634 We appreciate your continued support - if you have an opportunity please visit us at: http://www.GilbertGuru.com Leonard D Salins BluePrince@... http://stores.ebay.com/id=27597730&ssPageName=L2

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28394	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Custom Painting services

Hi All, I am sending this to as many of my train lists as possible to get maximum coverage. Due to circumstances with my current employment, I may be reopening Lanes Trains Custom Painting. I am an S Scaler, am very good at brass repair, and I think my painting skills speak for themselves. Here are a few of my painted cars. More photos and references are available upon request. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/S_ScaleH30A.jpg http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/B&O_I12.jpg I am the most knowledgeable with PRR, and some other Northeastern roads. I like doing freight cars the best. I can do DCC installation as well. I have not done a sound installation yet, but I am sure I can handle it. I also can superdetail S Scale brass with parts not available anywhere else. I have a new 4' x 4' x 4' paint booth so I can do O Scale. Please reply to me with what you may want done. I am not taking on work yet, but it may be coming soon. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28395	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Classified Ads

To see the classified. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/adverts.php To post an ad, you need a login, if you don't get a reply to the automated 'Create One' link, within a few minutes, please let me know. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28396	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: OUR NEW CLASSIFIED PAGE...

Would love to see that!!!! Nice to have other choices,John B. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, am-flyr@t... wrote: > The New Clasified Page that Paul put up works GREAT..Now if a FEW of > you in this group would start looking around and START POSTING we > can Defeat E bay....Take A LOOK .....eh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28397	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: SIGN - E-BAY

Tom and Chuck from Florida.......Heres that sign again we talked about....... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3165459688&category=19144 Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28398	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: AF in Orlando??

Hello all, Lady Gator and I are heading to Orlando this weekend. Can anyone recommend any hobby shops, etc that stock AF and/or s-gauge? I don't want to leave all my $$$$$ at the theme parks!! Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28399	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: AF in Orlando??

There is A GATS show in Tampa on sat...its only about 40 miles from WDW....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: <bull_gator_1@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF in Orlando?? > Hello all, > > Lady Gator and I are heading to Orlando this weekend. Can anyone > recommend any hobby shops, etc that stock AF and/or s-gauge? I don't > want to leave all my $$$$$ at the theme parks!! > > Thanks, > > BG1 > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28400	From: Charlie and Edith	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: 760 Highway Flasher

Greetings to all! The move is completed ... nice to have some time and space for trains again. Have put together a temporary layout, a scrapped piece of subflooring,sawhorses and green carpet, with two independent loops of track. Adding some buildings and accessories, which brings me to my question ... Have the 760's working off the inside loop ... is there a way to hook them up so that the train on the outside loop will activate the flasher? Am using a transformer for each loop so thought there might be conflict between transformers putting trips on both loops to the same flasher? Any thoughts from the group will be greatly appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28401	From: vickiec40403	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: DIESEL COMET 466 BRUSHES

Hi, Dumb question of the day, I am trying to replace the brushes on my comet diesel how are they attached to the holders? Solder? Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28402	From: vickiec40403	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: diesel engine brushes

help, dumb question of the day. What holds the brushes to the straps? solder? on deisel engines 466 comet. Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28403	From: fpocius@hotmail.com	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Alco 466 diesel

Help, this will probably be the most stupid question of the day. I am replaceing the brushes on my motor, how do you keep the brushes on the brush retainer? solder? Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28404	From: Richard	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Motor runs better in one direction....

Okay... I give up.... Can anyone clue me in as to why my motors seem to run better in one direction, than the other? I'm working on a 322 (small) motor. The motor spins, and is more powerful in reverse, than in forward. There is minimal play in the armature. I have tried repositioning the drive gear with little/no effect. I have a second 322, identical to the one above. It seems to run faster more power going "forward". I have cleaned the communicator, and replaced the brushes, but still can't figure out why these motors run better going one way versus the other. Does anyone has any suggestions as to why this happens, and what I can do to strike a better balance of power (fwd vs reverse)? Thanks!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28405	From: vickiec40403	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: REPLACING BRUSHES

HI, DUMB QUESTION OF THE DAY, WHAT HOLDS THE BRUSHES TO THE MOUNTING STRAP ON DIESEL ENGINES IE. 466 COMET, ? SOLDER? THANKS FRED

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28406	From: mfjdunn@bellsouth.net	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: needed items

Does anyone on the list have any spare Northern Pacific PA/PB dry transfers? I have nose decals and ying-yang decals but need the NORTHERN PACIFIC and "Mainstreet of the Northwest" transfer lettering. If anyone can help please respond off list to: mfjdunn@... or afchoochoo@... Thanks, Jim Dunn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28407	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!

Hi all, There is an interesting thread over on the TCA list of complaints on the renwal price for CTT mags, and the lack of "Classic" coverage in the mag, too much "modern" stuff, not enough fix-it articles. A couple of charter subscribers have decided to jump ship. Interesting! We, of course, gave up due to the lack of S stuff, or of accurate reporting on S stuff. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28408	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: diesel engine brushes

Fred, Yes, solder, wich is only able to attach itself to the copper plating on the back side of the brush. There was a batch of brushes that did not have enough plating on them, but I understand that has been fixed. One must be careful to not damage the brush holder while soldering too! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28409	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: U P licensing

If it helps the various manufacturers any, I have NEVER felt a need for anything identified as "Union Pacific" on any of my layouts. Doubt I ever will feel the need. I have a "Flyer" U P Geep, because it came in a lot I bought, no other reason. Sure I would not require their T-shirts, mugs, calendars or any other various and sundry products bearing their name. I wonder if logo protection will improve their service any?? Jim Lyle (Livin' on the Keystone Main) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28410	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!

I was going to respond that at least they are not S gaugers, as CTT has very little for us, but didn't. At least Dr. Joe was positive about the magazine. Since, they say Neil, the editor reads the list, something awful might happen to those who say bad things about his CTT. LOL Naw, it wasn't worth writing about on the TCA list. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT! > Hi all, > There is an interesting thread over on the TCA list of complaints on the > renwal price for CTT mags, and the lack of "Classic" coverage in the mag, > too much "modern" stuff, not enough fix-it articles. A couple of charter > subscribers have decided to jump ship. Interesting! We, of course, gave up > due to the lack of S stuff, or of accurate reporting on S stuff. > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28411	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!

By the way, you don't have to be a TCA member to participate on that list. It is mostly O gauge stuff, I delete most, but there is some common threads on it for our gauge, like EBAY! Just kidding. I did have the pleasure of seeing a milk platform Lionel box only go for $5100. I think David Dewey purchased that Ebay item. Just kidding David. I did learn on that site, not to use bubblewrap directly on plastic as it leave a residue on things. To join: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Heading to Lancaster, PA tomorrow for a 3 day weekend and train stuff! And I get my free admission to the museum! Wahoo! Benefit of being a card carry member! Will visit Bob Board's layout too! And dinner at the Iron Horse Inn in Strasburg. A favorite place. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT! > Hi all, > There is an interesting thread over on the TCA list of complaints on the > renwal price for CTT mags, and the lack of "Classic" coverage in the mag, > too much "modern" stuff, not enough fix-it articles. A couple of charter > subscribers have decided to jump ship. Interesting! We, of course, gave up > due to the lack of S stuff, or of accurate reporting on S stuff. > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28412	From: AF336	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Tender for 302 w/4 pc cast shell

I was wondering if the 4pc casting 302 ever came with a plastic tender shell. Thanks, Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28413	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re.UP licensing

According to Maury Romer,Union Pacific approached Gilbert about marketing a UP passenger set.They also offered to pay for painting masks etc.When "L"brought out their F3('48 I think) Santa Fe,New York Central,and GM helped pay for the tooling. "L" also got paid by Sunoco,Baby Ruth etc.for using their names on cars,signs etc. My how times have changed,now you get charged for advertising someones product.BTW the UP licensing issue was on national news tonite,complete with shots of model trains running,unfortunately no Flyer. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28414	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: TRACK TRIP

Anyone know the # & the name for a track trip that is used for the log unloading car that runs along the track & the lever that comes out of the truck hits it? Thank You, Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28415	From: AF336	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: 24626 in the original box

Check out this link. Is there something special about this one? Is it because it is KC? Click on link. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3164376166 Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28416	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: Box-car-boxes

Iuse the boxes that trading cards are stoerd in for the cars and engines that I don't have orginal boxes for. Bob robert allen conner <rcon7@...> wrote:5.00!!!!!!!!! I go to office depot or similar....Get the fold up file boxes.....Fold them up....mark a line at 4" or whatever and cut them down....Cost about 1.00 each as they come in packs of 6....Bob Conner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty.Thorin" To: "S-Trains (E-mail)" ; "S-Scale (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Box-car-boxes > In the late 1980s there was a company in California selling boxes for > trains. It consisted of a flattish box with drop-on lid. (Think of a paper > box and its lid only 3 inches tall.) One box, with the included dividers, > would hold 8 AF hoppers / box cars in four rows of two. Or rearrange the > cardboard dividers and it could hold six gondolas in one column. > > I ordered 22 boxes and assembled the last of them on Sunday. It is time to > get more. I am ready to order 14 more. Does anyone know what happened to > them? I tried phoning them on Sunday and the number was not in service. > > The boxes have some printing on them: > Box Car Box > P. O. Box 3592-112 > Sunnyvale, CA 94088 > (415) 967-7366 > > I also tried the area code 401 (San Jose) with the same results. > > In 1988 they were about $5.00 each plus shipping. > > Thank you for any information, > Thorin > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28417	From: ROBERT PERSING	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!

I quit getting it quite some time ago,seamed like lionel owned it with so little on S. Bob David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote:Hi all, There is an interesting thread over on the TCA list of complaints on the renwal price for CTT mags, and the lack of "Classic" coverage in the mag, too much "modern" stuff, not enough fix-it articles. A couple of charter subscribers have decided to jump ship. Interesting! We, of course, gave up due to the lack of S stuff, or of accurate reporting on S stuff. S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28418	From: Al	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: UP Licensing

Union Pacific management has shown their true colors - Greedy yellow. Not only do they want a royalty payment for each train engine or car produced with any UP symbol on it, they also want a royalty payment for each car or engine produced with any of the logos/symbols of ALL the other train companies they have bought up. That includes Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, Rio Grande, etc. They want each and every train producer to pay up big time, not just S gauge companies, but also O gauge , HO gauge, N gauge, Z gauge, G gauge, etc. They are harassing an entire industry. Here is a suggestion: Let's BOYCOTT UP. Model train producers/manufactureres - Don't produce any UP or affiliated products, don't paint or decal any trains with their symbols. Buyers - (that's us) - Don't buy any train items with any logos/symbols of any of the train companies they bought up, even if that company no longer exists. When UP sees that no one is buying any of these cars, maybe they will give it up and rescind there order. This may sound idealistic but if Lionel, MTH, Weaver, LGB, American Models, SHS, etc. don't produce any more cars/engines with their logos, UP can't make any money off their sale. What say we give it a try? Let's contact all producers/manufactureres and let them know we will support them by buying other products that do not carry the UP symbols. If we don't stop UP then every other company in the US or the world will want a royal payment for their symbols. That's means we would have to fork over $3 to $5 more for each car/engine we purchase, no matter what scale. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28419	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!

Not me Mike, I gave up when the bidding went over 51¢! (heh heh heh---only us REAL CHEAP! guys know where the ¢ key is!) Can you believe that guys, a cardboard box went for over $5K!!! Glad I'm in this for the fun! S' David D. PS I too, am still not a TCA member (can't find two to vouch for me to join!! ;-) )

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28420	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/18/2003
Subject: I found this referance to AF Copyright, Jim Sleeth

Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:42:00 -0600 From: "Raiford D. Palmer" <raifordpalmer@...> Subject: Lionel LLC Applies for "American Flyer" Trademark Protection! Interesting stuff. I just found out that Lionel LLC has applied for a trademark for "American Flyer." The only other mark under that name in the USPTO web search was for a sled, and that one was "dead." Looks like Lionel is trying to prevent someone else from securing Federal protection for the name. Here is the data from the Lionel search: AMERICAN FLYER Goods and Services IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: ELECTRICAL AND MECHANICAL TOYS AND MINIATURE RAILROADS. FIRST USE: 19170000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19170000 Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Serial Number 78222875 Filing Date March 7, 2003 Current Filing Basis 1A Original Filing Basis 1A Published for Opposition November 18, 2003 Owner (APPLICANT) Lionel, L.L.C. LIMITED LIABILITY JOINT STOCK COMPANY NEW YORK 50625 Richard W. Blvd. Chesterfield MICHIGAN 480512493 Attorney of Record Thomas E. Bejin Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL Live/Dead Indicator LIVE The application is published for opposition, to give parties a chance to oppose approval of the mark as applied for. After the statutory mandated period, the USPTO will approve the mark for use, perhaps requiring limitations on the use for the mark holder. You can search copyrighted terms and patents at www.uspto.gov. Very interesting...hey fellas at CTT/OGR, maybe this would make an interesting story? Maybe ask the Lionel LLC guys what's up with this? Regards, Raif Palmer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28421	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: SHS 2003 Christmas Car

Got my Christmas car today in the mail, took it to work to show it off a little, got home from work around 11:30pm and put it on the track.....I love it!! When I saw Rudolph's nose was blinking on and off,...I thought I needed to clean the track!! But after watching the timing of the blinking, I realized it was supposed to blink,..and I remember peeking inside the car earliar and seeing a little electronic looking gizmo in there. Pretty cool!! Thanks Don and Robin! Gads! I may have to put SHS trucks on all of my Flyonel Christmas cars!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28422	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing

Dear Jerry, in 1949 General Motors EMD division paid part of the tooling cost on Enhorning's S Scale phase IV F-3. They used these as decorated give aways to those who purchased F-7s. Don jjmemmer@... wrote: > According to Maury Romer,Union Pacific approached Gilbert about marketing >a UP passenger set.They also offered to pay for painting masks etc.When >"L"brought out their F3('48 I think) Santa Fe,New York Central,and GM helped pay for >the tooling. "L" also got paid by Sunoco,Baby Ruth etc.for using their names >on cars,signs etc. My how times have changed,now you get charged for >advertising someones product.BTW the UP licensing issue was on national news >tonite,complete with shots of model trains running,unfortunately no Flyer. > >Jerry > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28423	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: National News

Gents, I missed Dan Rather's news last night and I was wondering what the segment was about on train rip-offs. Can anyone fill us in on what was said? Regads, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28424	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: National News

Dear Joe, You can go to: http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml#eveningnews and view the clip. Don Joseph Haughney wrote: >Gents, > >I missed Dan Rather's news last night and I was wondering what the segment >was about on train rip-offs. Can anyone fill us in on what was said? > > > >Regads, > >Joe Haughney > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28425	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!

But now the O gaugers over there hate that magazine! LOL! Maybe they want more S in it. JUST KIDDING! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT PERSING" <boblines51@...> To: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT! > I quit getting it quite some time ago,seamed like lionel owned it with so little on S. Bob > > David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote:Hi all, > There is an interesting thread over on the TCA list of complaints on the > renwal price for CTT mags, and the lack of "Classic" coverage in the mag, > too much "modern" stuff, not enough fix-it articles. A couple of charter > subscribers have decided to jump ship. Interesting! We, of course, gave up > due to the lack of S stuff, or of accurate reporting on S stuff. > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28426	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!

David, I would sign your sign form! And to think that box was for an accessory! It wasn't even a "rare" set box. And those O people think we S people are weird!? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT! > Not me Mike, I gave up when the bidding went over 51¢! (heh heh heh---only > us REAL CHEAP! guys know where the ¢ key is!) > Can you believe that guys, a cardboard box went for over $5K!!! Glad I'm > in this for the fun! > S' > David D. > PS I too, am still not a TCA member (can't find two to vouch for me to > join!! ;-) ) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28427	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: TRACK TRIP

Mike; Mine uses a contact rail. Dont know the number. Its not on the ones I have. I dont use them though. I make my own. I think they look alot better. I have a photo I beleave. Paul makes his own. Theres photos of them. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: anormal1@... To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TRACK TRIP Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:09:21 EST Anyone know the # & the name for a track trip that is used for the log unloading car that runs along the track & the lever that comes out of the truck hits it? Thank You, Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work � and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28428	From: Tim	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: I got mine

¢ Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28429	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Tender for 302 w/4 pc cast shell

In a message dated 12/18/03 10:43:30 PM, AF336@... writes: << I was wondering if the 4pc casting 302 ever came with a plastic tender shell. Thanks, Mark >> Nope. Not from the factory, anyway. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28430	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

<The GURU says, "eight to ten drops" - ofcourse <Challenger Smoke <Fluid, it is the "Real McCoy"! Available here: < <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?<ViewItem&item=3164496634 $13.50 for a 2 oz. bottle of repro smoke fluid with a funnel. Well, there must be one born every minute. How can some people live with themselves? I once had an eBay bid of more than $35 for the currently in print K-Line AF Repair guide that I sell for $28.95. I turned down the winning bid and offered it to all bidders at my regular price. The best smoke fluid presently available is the Anormal smoke fluid which comes in a 4 ounce bottle (with an eye dropper) for only $10. At that rate, the smoke funnel above must be an $8.50 value!!! Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28431	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: TRACK TRIP

For a picture of home made actuators go to http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/feature/actuator.htm Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wight" <blueearthbob@...> To: <anormal1@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] TRACK TRIP > Mike; > Mine uses a contact rail. Dont know the number. Its not on the ones I > have. I dont use them though. I make my own. I think they look alot better. > I have a photo I beleave. Paul makes his own. Theres photos of them. > > > > Yours in Model Railroading > Bob Wight > Model Railroading Keeps you Young > Catch the Wave > http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: anormal1@... > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] TRACK TRIP > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:09:21 EST > > Anyone know the # & the name for a track trip that is used for the log > unloading car that runs along the track & the lever that comes out of the > truck hits > it? Thank You, Mike > > Michael Strickland > 6834 Quinton Ln > Tujunga, Ca 91042 > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work — and > yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28432	From: geep39	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Dissatisfaction in the O Gauge Ranks With CTT

Sounds like typical Kalmbach arrogance. Looks like they're jacking up Model Railroader, too. You'd think with their obscene advertising rates, they'd not be so greedy toward the buyer. Is it possible that fewer people are subscribing to it these days? I used to be one of those who picked it up if there was an interesting article that caught my eye, but I don't even do that any more. I used to also like the "behind the scenes" articles, but those seem too few and far between anymore. Is it possible that the editorial "talent" has lost interest in it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28433	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: TRACK TRIP

Nice actuator. I like that rail idea. Very good. I made my own rail. Still a member of the cheap club. But the next time i go to the train store that has used track im going to get some of that rail. Great tip. Pretty soon the retailers will be putting all there christmas stuff on half off opr more. Thats the time to pick up angel hair for your smokers. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "C. E. Smith" <cesmith@...> To: <anormal1@...>, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>,"Robert Wight" <blueearthbob@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRACK TRIP Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:11:03 -0500 For a picture of home made actuators go to http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/feature/actuator.htm Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wight" <blueearthbob@...> To: <anormal1@...>; <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] TRACK TRIP > Mike; > Mine uses a contact rail. Dont know the number. Its not on the ones I > have. I dont use them though. I make my own. I think they look alot better. > I have a photo I beleave. Paul makes his own. Theres photos of them. > > > > Yours in Model Railroading > Bob Wight > Model Railroading Keeps you Young > Catch the Wave > http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: anormal1@... > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] TRACK TRIP > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:09:21 EST > > Anyone know the # & the name for a track trip that is used for the log > unloading car that runs along the track & the lever that comes out of the > truck hits > it? Thank You, Mike > > Michael Strickland > 6834 Quinton Ln > Tujunga, Ca 91042 > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work � and > yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28434	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: UP licensing

What's with UP? Most of us Engine School students have had some form of B Law in college. We understand the need of protecting patents, copyrights, trade marks, registrations, trade secrets and the like. Evidently, in the past some businesses have encouraged model manufacturers to used there marks as a form of advertising. It's been pointed out that they have even contributed to the cost of the tooling. Chrysler produced the New Yorker for years. And at the same time there was a magazine with the same name. They have in the last few years produced a car called the Viper. Isn't that a strong take off on the Cobra? Not only is the Cobra a car, it is a line of CB radios. The Sabre was a sword and a jet fighter. Buick used it. The Mustang was a fighter and Ford used it. For years there were two Rockwell companies. Daytona is a NASCAR race, a waterring hole for cycleist and a series of cars bu Chrysler. What happens if someone models a Veranda Turbine? Is UP going to jump down their throat? WHat about Challengers and Big Boys? is someone going to sue them? Is Boeing going to sue every maker of blow up childrens toys that make a blow up plane for the tub or wading pool. I know you all have seen this. There needs to be some common sense applied to this. One thing that would help is that eveyone would determine who is on their Board of Directors and write them. I might help if someone bought stock and brought this issue up at their stockholders meetings. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28435	From: Tim	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: AC/DC

Hi guys, Here's a rule-of-thumb I thought up all by myself for deciding when to convert a given loco from AC to DC: If the reverse lever is on top, leave it AC; if it's underneath somewhere that's hard to get to, convert it to DC, but leave the reverse unit energized to hear the clicking sound. You'll then have what I call a faux-Flyer loco! :) :) Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28436	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

At 08:08 AM 12/19/03 -0800, you wrote: ><The GURU says, "eight to ten drops" - ofcourse ><Challenger Smoke ><Fluid, it is the "Real McCoy"! Available here: >< ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?<ViewItem&item=3164496634 > >$13.50 for a 2 oz. bottle of repro smoke fluid with a >funnel. Well, there must be one born every minute. > >How can some people live with themselves? I once had >an eBay bid of more than $35 for the currently in >print K-Line AF Repair guide that I sell for $28.95. >I turned down the winning bid and offered it to all >bidders at my regular price. > >The best smoke fluid presently available is the >Anormal smoke fluid which comes in a 4 ounce bottle >(with an eye dropper) for only $10. At that rate, the >smoke funnel above must be an $8.50 value!!! > >Joe $8.50 for a funnel? Is it made of GOLD??????? Let's no forget one thing. These were mass produced toys. Smoke fluid is not a complex secret formula. In all cases, the bottle and cap are worth more than the fluid inside. If you order in quality, you can get that price less than a buck. The best smoke fluid I've seen was from LeBlanc Trains, very thick white clouds, correct scent.. He uses it in al of the trains he sells, and for customer repairs. If a customer asks, he'll refill their bottle for free. He has it made by the quart. I assure you it's nowhere near $60-70. He could have it made in any scent he wants. Ever smelled a spearmint Hudson? I used to get fluid, at a store, near my work., 4oz bottle, $3.00, just no dropper, no funnel. Works as good as the original factory formula. It was never intended to be smoke fluid for toy trains, but neither was the original factory formula. There's a few rip-offs in this hobby and smoke fluid heads the list........D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28437	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Road names

When the trains were big selling TOYS, the makers (ACG, big L, and others) would put their own name (AFL, LL, etc) on the lower price equipment and sell it that way. The "better" stuff got a "real" name. Companies would even pay for the advertising. We created this problem ourself. We demand a real world name on the product. That demand is what makes it a place where the "brand name owner" can charge us for the use of the name. Remembet T-shirts with an ad on them costing LESS than a plain shirt? Now people pay extra for them. Brand names have become a status item. Note that even SHS sees so little market for "undecorated" that they don't order many that way. Not just "S", but in other scales as well, people have given up the idea of their own, made up, railroad name and want to run names as they see on 1 : 1 size trains. It's the whole model train hobby. So the NMRA and other such groups (NASG) would be in the better position to push the subject. The national news coverage can help, as it may get the general public into the act. But so long as UP's names help sell the product, they do have a point in wanting a cut. I feel the makers should pass the extra cost on, charge a premium on the cars (or whatever) that have a brand name which they must pay to use. Let the buyer know what he/she is paying to get. If I want a UP brand, I should pay for it. But anyone who doesn't care for it should not be paying for my wants. Perhaps we'll see more O & W, or other roads where nobody bought them and they went under quietly. Or we may go back to the days of "Gorre & Dapheted", "Firewater & Kicking Horse", "Hollywood & Western", "Bent Spaghetti Lines" and such. If it's your own name, you can use it as you like. Or, perhaps someone in the hobby can apply for rights to out of use names and then grant $1.00 a year license to use to the companies. You see how Big "L" is going after all of the American Flyer names to control them. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28438	From: waldootten	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Need heralds

Does anyone have or make CB&Q (Burlington Route) transfers or decals that would be an approximate correct size to apply to a tender? Please respond off list if you desire. Merry Christmas to all PS: Kudos to Don and Robin for the Blinkin' Rudolph Christmas Car. Got mine the other day and S'Wonderful, S'Marvelous! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28439	From: waldootten	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: UP licensing

As a person who owns their own business (and one well-schooled in business law) I too understand the basic need to protect trademarks, copyrights, patents and trade dress. However, as a consumer, I also am tired of having to pay a premium for a shirt or cap that provides FREE ADVERTISING for mega-buck companies like Nike, Abercrombie & Fitch, et al. Soooooo -- I don't buy them. I agree with the previous suggestions that model train manufacturers (and we consumers) boycott Union Pacific and any other railroad so greedy as to suddenly want to license their logos to toy train manufacturers after all these years of not doing so. Especially when the hobby is struggling to grow these days. Most of model railroading (and especially S) is at the cottage industry level and while all manufacturers aspire to operate at a profit, many in S provide products for us because they love the hobby and want to make what they deem a necessary contribution. Most of these small guys are thrilled just to be able to show a small profit at the end of the year. They don't need any additional paperwork and they (and we) don't need the additional expense. And they and we don't need to have our pockets picked so a billion- dollar corp like UP can make a few thousand extra dollars every year. I also think Lionel is being a hypocrite in that while it complains that UP is licensing its logoes unfairly, Lionel has now trademarked the colors blue and orange. My $0.02 Phil K _____________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@c...> wrote: > What's with UP? > > Most of us Engine School students have had some form of B Law in college. We understand the need of protecting patents, copyrights, trade marks, registrations, trade secrets and the like. Evidently, in the past some businesses have encouraged model manufacturers to used there marks as a form of advertising. It's been pointed out that they have even contributed to the cost of the tooling. > > Chrysler produced the New Yorker for years. And at the same time there was a magazine with the same name. They have in the last few years produced a car called the Viper. Isn't that a strong take off on the Cobra? Not only is the Cobra a car, it is a line of CB radios. The Sabre was a sword and a jet fighter. Buick used it. The Mustang was a fighter and Ford used it. For years there were two Rockwell companies. Daytona is a NASCAR race, a waterring hole for cycleist and a series of cars bu Chrysler. > > What happens if someone models a Veranda Turbine? Is UP going to jump down their throat? WHat about Challengers and Big Boys? is someone going to sue them? Is Boeing going to sue every maker of blow up childrens toys that make a blow up plane for the tub or wading pool. I know you all have seen this. > > There needs to be some common sense applied to this. One thing that would help is that eveyone would determine who is on their Board of Directors and write them. I might help if someone bought stock and brought this issue up at their stockholders meetings. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28440	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Up Blackmail

I am furious about the new Union Pacific policy to charge toy train manufacturers for the right to use their name, and the names of the fallen railroads that they have purchased. Therefore, I sent the following message to the UP corporate headquarters: =========== Your company should just be happy anyone wants to use your name. In the old days, railroads paid model train manufacturers to have their names and logos put on model trains. I, and many others with the number mushrooming rapidly, plan to boycott and not purchase anything with Union Pacific on it and we will pressure the manufacturers to cease producing such items. If for some miracle, the courts uphold a challenge against using fallen flags as well without payment, we will add these names to the list of boycotted items. ============== I would suggest that others who feel likewise should express their outrage by contacting UP. An e-mail message to them can be sent by accessing the UP website at www.up.com and clicking on the feedback button. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28441	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Another Blatant Ad

This time I have an L-2004 Rio-Grande EMD F-9,EC, asking $200.00 and a 21206/21206-1 Santa Fe AA Diesel and Dummy EMD F-9's, EC, asking $200.00. Contact me off list if interested. Also listing them on the S-Org classifieds. Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28442	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail

Okay, I sent it to UP. Others? Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haenn" <joestrainrepair@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Up Blackmail > I am furious about the new Union Pacific policy to > charge toy train manufacturers for the right to use > their name, and the names of the fallen railroads that > they have purchased. Therefore, I sent the following > message to the UP corporate headquarters: > > =========== > Your company should just be happy anyone wants to use > your name. In the old days, railroads paid model > train manufacturers to have their names and logos put > on model trains. I, and many others with the number > mushrooming rapidly, plan to boycott and not purchase > anything with Union Pacific on it and we will pressure > the manufacturers to cease producing such items. If > for some miracle, the courts uphold a challenge > against using fallen flags as well without payment, we > will add these names to the list of boycotted items. > ============== > > I would suggest that others who feel likewise should > express their outrage by contacting UP. An e-mail > message to them can be sent by accessing the UP > website at www.up.com and clicking on the feedback > button. > > Joe > > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28443	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail

I sent them mine. Next. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Up Blackmail Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:27:19 -0800 (PST) I am furious about the new Union Pacific policy to charge toy train manufacturers for the right to use their name, and the names of the fallen railroads that they have purchased. Therefore, I sent the following message to the UP corporate headquarters: =========== Your company should just be happy anyone wants to use your name. In the old days, railroads paid model train manufacturers to have their names and logos put on model trains. I, and many others with the number mushrooming rapidly, plan to boycott and not purchase anything with Union Pacific on it and we will pressure the manufacturers to cease producing such items. If for some miracle, the courts uphold a challenge against using fallen flags as well without payment, we will add these names to the list of boycotted items. ============== I would suggest that others who feel likewise should express their outrage by contacting UP. An e-mail message to them can be sent by accessing the UP website at www.up.com and clicking on the feedback button. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28444	From: Robert D Eves III	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail

I sent mine. next At 03:55 PM 12/19/2003, Robert Wight wrote: >I sent them mine. Next. > > > >Yours in Model Railroading >Bob Wight >Model Railroading Keeps you Young >Catch the Wave >http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> >To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [S-Trains] Up Blackmail >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:27:19 -0800 (PST) > >I am furious about the new Union Pacific policy to >charge toy train manufacturers for the right to use >their name, and the names of the fallen railroads that >they have purchased. Therefore, I sent the following >message to the UP corporate headquarters: > >=========== >Your company should just be happy anyone wants to use >your name. In the old days, railroads paid model >train manufacturers to have their names and logos put >on model trains. I, and many others with the number >mushrooming rapidly, plan to boycott and not purchase >anything with Union Pacific on it and we will pressure >the manufacturers to cease producing such items. If >for some miracle, the courts uphold a challenge >against using fallen flags as well without payment, we >will add these names to the list of boycotted items. >============== > >I would suggest that others who feel likewise should >express their outrage by contacting UP. An e-mail >message to them can be sent by accessing the UP >website at www.up.com and clicking on the feedback >button. > >Joe > > >===== >Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 >404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 >Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines >American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International >joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >_________________________________________________________________ >Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28445	From: Mike Vana	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT! (S gauge also!)

There are only so many "old" stories to tell, and I think Classic Toy Trains told all the old Lionel stories. I don't care about Lionel, and just a token two or three pages of American Flyer every issue wasn't enough to keep me subscribing. I don't miss it, either. It's neat to see articles on people's layouts and collections, but after a while it gets boring seeing pictures of equipment on shelves. I think that they have capitalized on the "old toy train" theme long enough to just about beat it to death. Even if you buy the magazine just for all the ads - and there certainly are a lot - if you have a computer you don't have to buy the advertising. Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28446	From: Richard Gehrig	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail

I gave UP my 2 cents worth.... Next. Richard Gehrig From: "Joseph Haenn" <joestrainrepair@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Up Blackmail > I am furious about the new Union Pacific policy to > charge toy train manufacturers for the right to use > their name, and the names of the fallen railroads that > they have purchased. Therefore, I sent the following > message to the UP corporate headquarters: > > =========== > Your company should just be happy anyone wants to use > your name. In the old days, railroads paid model > train manufacturers to have their names and logos put > on model trains. I, and many others with the number > mushrooming rapidly, plan to boycott and not purchase > anything with Union Pacific on it and we will pressure > the manufacturers to cease producing such items. If > for some miracle, the courts uphold a challenge > against using fallen flags as well without payment, we > will add these names to the list of boycotted items. > ============== > > I would suggest that others who feel likewise should > express their outrage by contacting UP. An e-mail > message to them can be sent by accessing the UP > website at www.up.com and clicking on the feedback > button. > > Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28447	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: UP blackmail

So did I. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28448	From: Tim	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT! (S gauge also!)

I peruse CTT for free at the local bookstore. It doesn't take me very long, as there really isn't anything in it except advertisements. Someone on this list accused me of single-handedly being responsible for a lousy economy. If this is a lousy economy, bring it on! :) :) And incidentally, the ":)" means smile, as in joke. Ohhh. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Vana To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT! (S gauge also!) There are only so many "old" stories to tell, and I think Classic Toy Trains told all the old Lionel stories. I don't care about Lionel, and just a token two or three pages of American Flyer every issue wasn't enough to keep me subscribing. I don't miss it, either. It's neat to see articles on people's layouts and collections, but after a while it gets boring seeing pictures of equipment on shelves. I think that they have capitalized on the "old toy train" theme long enough to just about beat it to death. Even if you buy the magazine just for all the ads - and there certainly are a lot - if you have a computer you don't have to buy the advertising. Mike Vana Omaha, NE. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28449	From: Tim	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Opposites attract

Hi, I take the opposite view-point. I am glad UP is persuing copyright infringements or whatever. It's about time! TINSTAFL! For those of you who don't know what that means, it means, "There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"! So there! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28450	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: UP blackmail

ME 2.................BOB CONNER ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] UP blackmail > So did I. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28451	From: larryasp	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: National News

Wasnt there a time when the railways paid the model railways manufacturers for the privelge of putting thier name on the models? Somebody have the Presidents of Union Pacifics e mail address so we can set him strait? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Thompson" <robin@...> To: "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney@...> Cc: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National News > Dear Joe, > You can go to: > http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml#eveningnews > and view the clip. > Don > > Joseph Haughney wrote: > > >Gents, > > > >I missed Dan Rather's news last night and I was wondering what the segment > >was about on train rip-offs. Can anyone fill us in on what was said? > > > > > > > >Regads, > > > >Joe Haughney > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28452	From: editor	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: [ADVERTISEMENT] YOUR S/Sn3 Modeling Guide Subscription IS IN THE M

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28453	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: UP blackmail

Me too! ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.E. Johnson" <bigfoot@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] UP blackmail > So did I. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28454	From: jay stevens	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: UP

I sent mine - Jay __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28455	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

D.D. If it's so cheap and easy to do, don't complain about it, why not do it and put all the others to shame? Be waiting for your product anouncement. Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Donovan <riker@w...> wrote: > At 08:08 AM 12/19/03 -0800, you wrote: > ><The GURU says, "eight to ten drops" - ofcourse > ><Challenger Smoke > ><Fluid, it is the "Real McCoy"! Available here: > >< > ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?<ViewItem&item=3164496634 > > > >$13.50 for a 2 oz. bottle of repro smoke fluid with a > >funnel. Well, there must be one born every minute. > > > >How can some people live with themselves? I once had > >an eBay bid of more than $35 for the currently in > >print K-Line AF Repair guide that I sell for $28.95. > >I turned down the winning bid and offered it to all > >bidders at my regular price. > > > >The best smoke fluid presently available is the > >Anormal smoke fluid which comes in a 4 ounce bottle > >(with an eye dropper) for only $10. At that rate, the > >smoke funnel above must be an $8.50 value!!! > > > >Joe > > > $8.50 for a funnel? Is it made of GOLD??????? Let's no forget one > thing. These were mass produced toys. Smoke fluid is not a complex secret > formula. In all cases, the bottle and cap are worth more than the fluid > inside. If you order in quality, you can get that price less than a buck. > The best smoke fluid I've seen was from LeBlanc Trains, very thick > white clouds, correct scent.. He uses it in al of the trains he sells, and > for customer repairs. If a customer asks, he'll refill their bottle for > free. He has it made by the quart. I assure you it's nowhere near $60-70. > He could have it made in any scent he wants. Ever smelled a spearmint Hudson? > I used to get fluid, at a store, near my work., 4oz bottle, $3.00, > just no dropper, no funnel. Works as good as the original factory formula. > It was never intended to be smoke fluid for toy trains, but neither was the > original factory formula. > There's a few rip-offs in this hobby and smoke fluid heads the > list........D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28456	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

I agree with you Joe, but that Anormal stuff is almost all karosene. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@y...> wrote: > <The GURU says, "eight to ten drops" - ofcourse > <Challenger Smoke > <Fluid, it is the "Real McCoy"! Available here: > < > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?<ViewItem&item=3164496634 > > $13.50 for a 2 oz. bottle of repro smoke fluid with a > funnel. Well, there must be one born every minute. > > How can some people live with themselves? I once had > an eBay bid of more than $35 for the currently in > print K-Line AF Repair guide that I sell for $28.95. > I turned down the winning bid and offered it to all > bidders at my regular price. > > The best smoke fluid presently available is the > Anormal smoke fluid which comes in a 4 ounce bottle > (with an eye dropper) for only $10. At that rate, the > smoke funnel above must be an $8.50 value!!! > > Joe > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28457	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 21, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28458	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

There is not a drop of kerosene in it. Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28459	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

At 12:45 AM 12/20/03 +0000, you wrote: >D.D. > >If it's so cheap and easy to do, don't complain about it, why not do >it and put all the others to shame? > >Be waiting for your product anouncement. > >Carl > > It's that pesky First Ammendment. Some people use it to > complain about Union Pacific's greed. I use it to shed the light > somewhere else. If you think paying $12.50 or more a bottle is fair. You go right ahead. But, if I sold you something for $24.00 and I paid only $3.00, you'd be less than happy. The shipping charged on the fluid costs more than what's inside the bottle. I read with humor which is the best fluid. But, when the price is justified, that's when I responded. How would my message be a product introduction after I said I could get the fluid for free?............D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28460	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2106

In a message dated 12/19/03 4:48:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Subject: Re: Up Blackmail I sent a note to them also. I hope others follow this lead. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28461	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

Hey Joe, That is quite a blurb that you have about your repair business! Do you really stock 85,000 different AF parts? We appreciate your continued support - if you have an opportunity please visit us at: http://www.GilbertGuru.com Leonard D Salins 4 Gate Post Court Potomac, MD 20854-1735 BluePrince@... http://stores.ebay.com/id=27597730&ssPageName=L2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn To: S Trains Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: [S-Trains] You Have Got to be Kidding Me!! <The GURU says, "eight to ten drops" - ofcourse <Challenger Smoke <Fluid, it is the "Real McCoy"! Available here: < <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?<ViewItem&item=3164496634 $13.50 for a 2 oz. bottle of repro smoke fluid with a funnel. Well, there must be one born every minute. How can some people live with themselves? I once had an eBay bid of more than $35 for the currently in print K-Line AF Repair guide that I sell for $28.95. I turned down the winning bid and offered it to all bidders at my regular price. The best smoke fluid presently available is the Anormal smoke fluid which comes in a 4 ounce bottle (with an eye dropper) for only $10. At that rate, the smoke funnel above must be an $8.50 value!!! Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28462	From: mikemelinda2000	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: You Can't Spell Stupid Without UP

While your emails to the Union Pacific are admirable, me thinks the Big Yellow could care less! Moreover, boycotts of toy and model trains with UP markings hurts no one but the small manufacturers and us. 90% of the equipment on my Christmas tree layout is Southern Pacific. And that is all I want. What we need are more stories like that which appeared on CBS last night. We need CNN, NBC, PBS and even Fox knocking on the UP's door asking those dolts to explain. This is motherhood and apple pie stuff! This is an attack on Christmas itself, even though it is perhaps the most commercial of all holidays. We need letters to the editor and editorials calling the UP on the carpet and letting the public know that what their strong and precious "Brand Name" actually stands for is greed and arrogance. We need a media assault that will leave their "Building America" institutional advertising campaign in shambles! Perhaps the UP will see the error of their ways if a few congressmen and state legislatures ask some questions and raise an eyebrow or two. Better yet, a few big shippers. (Hmmm .I wonder how much UPS charges a small company for the use of their brand name on a toy truck?) I, myself, sent an email to CBS suggesting a follow up story in which a comparison is made between the pittance the UP stands to make by squeezing a few small companies and hobbyists and the millions they DON'T make in incentive payments because they can't, or won't, run Amtrak trains on time. This is a perfect example of what is wrong with corporate America! Don't write the UP. Write to your representatives and the media. Write to UPS. My two cents!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28463	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: SHS 2004 catalog

Today, FedEx dropped off our 2004 catalog. We mailed almost 2000 to our customers and Hobby Shops. The hobby shops were mailed their counter copies, the rest of the catalog will be UPSed once the container arrives with the balance of the press run the end of January. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28464	From: butchclimax	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: I'd be Tankfull-

Hi group, Hey, anyone help me? I need a picture or 3 of the inside mechanism of the 589 op. water tank. All I have inside is the long brace across tank, lamp base and coil hanging down iside a "U" shaped fixture(that's upside-down) The linkage etc. down to the spout is gone. I'm assuming it must work and look something like the 600 Xing Gate. "Tanks", Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28465	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Question About Union Pacific Brand Standards

There are somethings that have been overlooked. First, please check the wedsites at www.showcase.com and www.americanmodels.com. Please note the MSRP of these model railcars and motive power. These clearly are not $10 items. A typical car is $30 to $40. A typical engine it $200. (Note that K-Line may be cheaper, but still not in the $10 range for our scale.) Second, these people are very small business people. I bet you don't get enough from them to justify the effort. Third, I did post my concern on YOUR website. I recognize your needs to protect your name, marks, etc. I don't think any of us are really asking for a free lunch. Many of us are retired on a fixed income we want to continue with the hobby. But it must be at a price we can afford. Sort of like our prescriptions!! But an annual licensing at a very nominal value would be much easier to administer and much less painful for the those of us interested in S Scale model railroading as a hobbie. This scale is the peanuts crew with many of us reliving our youth with our grandkids. Fourth, in terms of administration and compliance, these small businesses could send you a check each year, one time for something on the order of a $1. Keep in mind that this still gives you oversight control over how and when your marks are used. Fifth, and this is important, this scale is definitely not where the volume is and the manufacturers that supply it are not the big guys in it. There is no Lifelike, Ahearn or Big R here. A. E. Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: <UPBrand@...> To: <bigfoot@...> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Question About Union Pacific Brand Standards > > Dear A. E. Johnson, > > Thank you for sharing your concerns about Union Pacific's licensing > program. Union Pacific announced a formal licensing program in 2002. The > program for the model railroad industry was developed in consultation with > the Model Railroad Industry Association. Rates for model railroad > manufacturers are extremely low and small businesses are generally exempt > from royalty payments. Media reports and internet chatter have > inaccurately portrayed the royalty fees. On a $10 model, royalty rates are > pennies. You can find additional information about our licensing program > on our Web site at http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/modelrail.shtml. > > > > > bigfoot@cyberback > .com To: upbrand@... > cc: > 12/19/03 04:09 PM Subject: Question About Union Pacific Brand > Standards > > > > > > > Name: A. E. Johnson > (UP user id ) > Company: > Department: > E-mail Address: bigfoot@... > Phone Number: () - > ; > > This is NOT a question. It is a comment. The model railroad industry and > hobby glorifies the railroad industry. Your threats of legal action against > these businesses and persons are misdirected. They show your business and > industry in their best light. > > Reconsider your standards for this industry. Perhaps a $1 per year license > is reasonable. > > This I know, your attack on these businesses and this group of people makes > you look like a company of ogars and will cause them to withdraw all > products with your mark on it. It will promote your competitors. > > This message was sent at Friday, 12/19/2003 4:09:10 PM Central > This message was generated from server: www.uprr.com > This message was sent from IP address: 216.61.222.49 > The user's browser is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; > rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) [NS 5.0 WinNT] > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28466	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!

Mike wrote: >I did learn on that site, not to use bubblewrap directly on plastic >as it leave a residue on things. Mike, have you actually had a problem with bubble wrap yourself? I ask because I use bubble wrap exclusively for storing rolling stock, and I've never had any problem with any residue, even after storing plastic AF stuff in bubble wrap for over a decade. That includes storage in warm environments of up to 120 deg. F , perhaps even a little warmer. The only thing I've had to be careful of is the wrap contacting oily metal parts (like sintered iron trucks) causing the oil to seep onto the plastic carbody. Even then there has been no damage, just a need for cleaning. I don't think you need to be concerned about damage or residue from bubble wrap. Given that it's so much less abrasive than newsprint and other papers, I prefer it. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28467	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

Did you change the formula? In a previous post you said that you quote "original formula", was 17 to 1, kerosene and cedarwood oil. Check an original AF smoke kit in the white bag, it says contains "kerosene and cedarwood oil" --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@a... wrote: > There is not a drop of kerosene in it. Mike > > Michael Strickland > 6834 Quinton Ln > Tujunga, Ca 91042 > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28468	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

No, if you sold something for $24.00 that you only paid $3.00 for, then you'd be in retailing! If you can get it for FREE I'll take 100 bottles. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Donovan <riker@w...> wrote: > At 12:45 AM 12/20/03 +0000, you wrote: > >D.D. > > > >If it's so cheap and easy to do, don't complain about it, why not do > >it and put all the others to shame? > > > >Be waiting for your product anouncement. > > > >Carl > > > > It's that pesky First Ammendment. Some people use it to > > complain about Union Pacific's greed. I use it to shed the light > > somewhere else. > > If you think paying $12.50 or more a bottle is fair. You > go right ahead. But, if I sold you something for $24.00 and I paid only > $3.00, you'd be less than happy. > > The shipping charged on the fluid costs more than what's > inside the bottle. I read with humor which is the best fluid. But, when the > price is justified, that's when I responded. > > How would my message be a product introduction after I > said I could get the fluid for free?............D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28469	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

Hey Joe, Looks like The Gilbert Guru, Fred Jester, Leonard D. Salins, et al, got a little, well, ticked. -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Leonard D Salins" <blueprince@e...> wrote: > Hey Joe, > That is quite a blurb that you have about your repair business! Do you really stock 85,000 different AF parts? > > We appreciate your continued support - if you have an opportunity please visit us at: > http://www.GilbertGuru.com > > Leonard D Salins > 4 Gate Post Court > Potomac, MD 20854-1735 > > BluePrince@e... > http://stores.ebay.com/id=27597730&ssPageName=L2 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Haenn > To: S Trains > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:08 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] You Have Got to be Kidding Me!! > > > <The GURU says, "eight to ten drops" - ofcourse > <Challenger Smoke > <Fluid, it is the "Real McCoy"! Available here: > < > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?<ViewItem&item=3164496634 > > $13.50 for a 2 oz. bottle of repro smoke fluid with a > funnel. Well, there must be one born every minute. > > How can some people live with themselves? I once had > an eBay bid of more than $35 for the currently in > print K-Line AF Repair guide that I sell for $28.95. > I turned down the winning bid and offered it to all > bidders at my regular price. > > The best smoke fluid presently available is the > Anormal smoke fluid which comes in a 4 ounce bottle > (with an eye dropper) for only $10. At that rate, the > smoke funnel above must be an $8.50 value!!! > > Joe > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@Y... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28470	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: National News

You can only watch if you are using Win98 or newer, us "fossils" aren't fast enough! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28471	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT!--So much for humor!

Egads, I try to make a light joke about my lack of TCA membership, and now I have numerous, very gracious, offers to vouch for me. DANG--now I gotta find another excuse! Hmmm. OK, as soon as I'm "on my feet" again (new job, moving to house, waiting to see how much of my life the hospital wants for Linda's bout with her blood clot), I will consider joining! BTW, I offically start with the city on MONDAY! Then there's a year of "probation" now I just have to avoid screwing up for a while!. I think I have about clobbered this bug that's had me down for a week too. Just in time to go to Dunsmuir for Chrisitmas and get it again from my nephews!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28472	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2003
Subject: Re: bubble wrap

In a message dated 12/20/03 1:23:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Message: 21 > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:23:23 -0000 > From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> > Subject: Re: Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT! > > Mike wrote: > > >I did learn on that site, not to use bubblewrap directly on plastic > >as it leave a residue on things. > > Mike, have you actually had a problem with bubble wrap yourself? I > ask because I use bubble wrap exclusively for storing rolling stock, > and I've never had any problem with any residue, even after storing > plastic AF stuff in bubble wrap for over a decade. That includes > storage in warm environments of up to 120 deg. F , perhaps even a > little warmer. The only thing I've had to be careful of is the wrap > contacting oily metal parts (like sintered iron trucks) causing the > oil to seep onto the plastic carbody. Even then there has been no > damage, just a need for cleaning. > > I don't think you need to be concerned about damage or residue from > bubble wrap. Given that it's so much less abrasive than newsprint and > other papers, I prefer it. > > Chuck F. > > > > I've got a few cars, including a 923 reefer that I got for Christmas in 1955 that I wrapped in bubble wrap (the kind with the 1/4" bubbles) in 1992. I unpacked it in 1994 and the paint was permenently marred. If you hold it at the right angle you can see all the dots on the paint where the bubbles were. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28473	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Bubble wrap

<<<<I don't think you need to be concerned about damage or residue from bubble wrap. Given that it's so much less abrasive than newsprint and other papers, I prefer it. >>> I can say YES to that. BW apparently contains some sort of substance that is not in regular flat plastic, and it "dimples" the finish on plastic. Worse, the dimples will not polish out; they're permanent. I've seen it happen on both rolling stock and on plastic steam engines. And I've seen it occur in a very short time too....like the time it took for an engine to reach me for repair work, from the shipper! The BW was clean too....there was no evidence of anything spilled in/on it; that had been my first thought the first couple times it happened. Maybe it varies with the particular "brand" of BW, but it DEFINITELY occurs. I never risk it.....wrap in paper or a plastic grocery bag first, and then wrap that in the BW. I ALWAYS warn my customers about that when they are going to ship me a repair, because their first thought is always to wrap that sucker up in two feet of BW so it won't get broken! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28474	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: bubble wrap

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28475	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Kreft E-unit Fingers

Doug, Do you know if Greg Kreft is still making E-units fingers and smoke unit wicks? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28476	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Bubble Wrap

I too had wrapped some painted 650 cars in bubble wrap with bubbles touching the paint.  Permanently etched the paint with all these circles.  I assume it will do this to plastic versions.      I am not sure what would happen if you were to use the smooth side touching the car. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28477	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing

Would this licensing also include C&NW since UP purchased the C&NW? Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28478	From: David	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing

They want a logo license fee.... fine manufacturers want an advertising fee just like a newspaper or magazine only much higher than a logo licensing fee. They want to play hardball, fine, we'll bat first then pitch second.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28479	From: Walt Danylak	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Danylak" <waltdanylak@c...> wrote: Would this licensing also include C&NW since UP purchased the C&NW? Walt I just answered my own question by going to the UP website. Not only does this license apply to UP, but also includes: ART, A&S, C&EI, C&NW, D&RGW, MKT, MP, SLSW, SP, T&P and WP. I guess you can forget about many of the mid-west and western road names on future models. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28480	From: keefer1	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing

I doubt this will do anything but make the toy companies more money. All cars wil go up to the same price, the manufacturers will blame it on UP,and their profits will increase on non UP stuff.Most of the companies already pay for logos like , coke, NFL teams,and Hershey.They are used to it. Keith--- Walt Danylak <waltdanylak@...> wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Danylak" > <waltdanylak@c...> > wrote: > Would this licensing also include C&NW since UP > purchased the C&NW? > Walt > > I just answered my own question by going to the UP > website. Not only > does this license apply to UP, but also includes: > ART, A&S, C&EI, > C&NW, D&RGW, MKT, MP, SLSW, SP, T&P and WP. I guess > you can forget > about many of the mid-west and western road names on > future models. > Walt > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28481	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

Dear Carl, Good day! Not ticked, just curious as to how diverse Mr. Haenn's stock is - we have over 85,000 pieces in screws alone ( just the tip of the iceberg ) for S Gauge American Flyer. Joe clarified it for me though - thanks, Leonard D We appreciate your continued support - if you have an opportunity please visit us at: http://www.GilbertGuru.com Leonard D Salins BluePrince@... http://stores.ebay.com/id=27597730&ssPageName=L2 ----- Original Message ----- From: rodgers_carl To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!! Hey Joe, Looks like The Gilbert Guru, Fred Jester, Leonard D. Salins, et al, got a little, well, ticked. -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Leonard D Salins" <blueprince@e...> wrote: > Hey Joe, > That is quite a blurb that you have about your repair business! Do you really stock 85,000 different AF parts? > > We appreciate your continued support - if you have an opportunity please visit us at: > http://www.GilbertGuru.com > > Leonard D Salins > 4 Gate Post Court > Potomac, MD 20854-1735 > > BluePrince@e... > http://stores.ebay.com/id=27597730&ssPageName=L2 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joseph Haenn > To: S Trains > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:08 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] You Have Got to be Kidding Me!! > > > <The GURU says, "eight to ten drops" - ofcourse > <Challenger Smoke > <Fluid, it is the "Real McCoy"! Available here: > < > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?<ViewItem&item=3164496634 > > $13.50 for a 2 oz. bottle of repro smoke fluid with a > funnel. Well, there must be one born every minute. > > How can some people live with themselves? I once had > an eBay bid of more than $35 for the currently in > print K-Line AF Repair guide that I sell for $28.95. > I turned down the winning bid and offered it to all > bidders at my regular price. > > The best smoke fluid presently available is the > Anormal smoke fluid which comes in a 4 ounce bottle > (with an eye dropper) for only $10. At that rate, the > smoke funnel above must be an $8.50 value!!! > > Joe > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@Y... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28482	From: Tim	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing

I surely hope so! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Walt Danylak To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re.UP licensing Would this licensing also include C&NW since UP purchased the C&NW? Walt S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28483	From: Tim	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing

Now there's a comment from a guy on the list who truly understands the free enterprise system. Glad to hear you haven't been spoon-fed from the vocal minority on this list! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: keefer1 To: Walt Danylak Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Re.UP licensing I doubt this will do anything but make the toy companies more money. All cars wil go up to the same price, the manufacturers will blame it on UP,and their profits will increase on non UP stuff.Most of the companies already pay for logos like , coke, NFL teams,and Hershey.They are used to it. Keith--- Walt Danylak <waltdanylak@...> wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Danylak" > <waltdanylak@c...> > wrote: > Would this licensing also include C&NW since UP > purchased the C&NW? > Walt > > I just answered my own question by going to the UP > website. Not only > does this license apply to UP, but also includes: > ART, A&S, C&EI, > C&NW, D&RGW, MKT, MP, SLSW, SP, T&P and WP. I guess > you can forget > about many of the mid-west and western road names on > future models. > Walt > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28484	From: keefer1	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: smoke

Doug,Thanks for acting like a professional,once again,and avoiding all the name calling,whiney contest on the s-trains list concerning smoke. It seemed like you stayed out of the middle of the rfg thread also. Shows real business sense! Thanks,Happy Holidays. Keith >> Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) > < http://www.portlines.com/> > doug@... > VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28485	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

Are there 85,000 different American Flyer parts? I looked at Joe Haenn's web site and couldn't find any. Then I looked at your web site or Ebay store and found a few hundred. I think there are a few other parts people who advertise that they have 2000 to 3000, which I think sounds more realistic. Then there are those who say they have them and don't. Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Leonard D Salins" <blueprince@e...> wrote: > Dear Carl, > Good day! Not ticked, just curious as to how diverse Mr. Haenn's stock is - we have over 85,000 pieces in screws alone ( just the tip of the iceberg ) for S Gauge American Flyer. Joe clarified it for me though - thanks, Leonard D > > We appreciate your continued support - if you have an opportunity please visit us at: > http://www.GilbertGuru.com > > Leonard D Salins > BluePrince@e... > http://stores.ebay.com/id=27597730&ssPageName=L2 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rodgers_carl > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:41 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!! > > > Hey Joe, > > Looks like The Gilbert Guru, Fred Jester, Leonard D. Salins, et al, > got a little, well, ticked. > > > > > -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Leonard D Salins" <blueprince@e...> > wrote: > > Hey Joe, > > That is quite a blurb that you have about your repair business! Do > you really stock 85,000 different AF parts? > > > > We appreciate your continued support - if you have an opportunity > please visit us at: > > http://www.GilbertGuru.com > > > > Leonard D Salins > > 4 Gate Post Court > > Potomac, MD 20854-1735 > > > > BluePrince@e... > > http://stores.ebay.com/id=27597730&ssPageName=L2 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joseph Haenn > > To: S Trains > > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:08 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] You Have Got to be Kidding Me!! > > > > > > <The GURU says, "eight to ten drops" - ofcourse > > <Challenger Smoke > > <Fluid, it is the "Real McCoy"! Available here: > > < > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? <ViewItem&item=3164496634 > > > > $13.50 for a 2 oz. bottle of repro smoke fluid with a > > funnel. Well, there must be one born every minute. > > > > How can some people live with themselves? I once had > > an eBay bid of more than $35 for the currently in > > print K-Line AF Repair guide that I sell for $28.95. > > I turned down the winning bid and offered it to all > > bidders at my regular price. > > > > The best smoke fluid presently available is the > > Anormal smoke fluid which comes in a 4 ounce bottle > > (with an eye dropper) for only $10. At that rate, the > > smoke funnel above must be an $8.50 value!!! > > > > Joe > > > > ===== > > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > > American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > > joestrainrepair@y... Master Card/Visa > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- > unsubscribe@Y... > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains- unsubscribe@Y... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28486	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Christmas layout photos

I posted some new photos of my Christmas layouts. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album08 Hope you enjoy. Best wishes to all for a Safe and Very Happy Holiday Season! Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28487	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: ...and speaking Christmas layout photos...

I also have added some 2003 Christmas Layout photos at the following link----- http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun68 I hope to get some better shots soon. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28488	From: Irving Washington	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail

Do we all really need to know whenever someone e-mails UP? >From: Robert D Eves III <rdeves@...> >To: Robert Wight <blueearthbob@...>, joestrainrepair@..., > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Up Blackmail >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:38:11 -0500 > >I sent mine. next > > >At 03:55 PM 12/19/2003, Robert Wight wrote: > >I sent them mine. Next. > > > > > > > >Yours in Model Railroading > >Bob Wight > >Model Railroading Keeps you Young > >Catch the Wave > >http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> > >To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: [S-Trains] Up Blackmail > >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:27:19 -0800 (PST) > > > >I am furious about the new Union Pacific policy to > >charge toy train manufacturers for the right to use > >their name, and the names of the fallen railroads that > >they have purchased. Therefore, I sent the following > >message to the UP corporate headquarters: > > > >=========== > >Your company should just be happy anyone wants to use > >your name. In the old days, railroads paid model > >train manufacturers to have their names and logos put > >on model trains. I, and many others with the number > >mushrooming rapidly, plan to boycott and not purchase > >anything with Union Pacific on it and we will pressure > >the manufacturers to cease producing such items. If > >for some miracle, the courts uphold a challenge > >against using fallen flags as well without payment, we > >will add these names to the list of boycotted items. > >============== > > > >I would suggest that others who feel likewise should > >express their outrage by contacting UP. An e-mail > >message to them can be sent by accessing the UP > >website at www.up.com and clicking on the feedback > >button. > > > >Joe > > > > > >===== > >Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > >404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > >Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > >American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > >joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ It�s our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. Get it now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28489	From: Neil Becker	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Smoke Fluid

Anyone try simple hurricane lamp oil? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28490	From: Neil Becker	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail

I sent mine. Speaking of media coverage........how about inviting them to the next train meet where we burn our UP logo'd T-shirts? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28491	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

At 04:37 AM 12/20/03 +0000, you wrote: >No, if you sold something for $24.00 that you only paid $3.00 for, >then you'd be in retailing! > >If you can get it for FREE I'll take 100 bottles. Since you like using kerosene, it's best , in your case, to stay with what works best. Just don't check what the price of kerosene is going for. I'm sure, in your mine, having the super secret formula, and a funnel, will justify this form of "retailing". But, there are those who are no as sensitive, to the product's uniqueness, extensive testing and evaluation, and complexities of marketing environment. To some, a person filling little bottles with dirt cheap petroleum distillates, in their basement, and marking up the final product 1000% or more, is price gouging. They are not looking at the big picture. There are labor costs, administrative charges, state certifications and business fees. Plus, there's the funnel. Now, I can't send you 100 bottles. Like I said, I just get mine refilled. Check it out, do the math. The bottle costs more than the liquid inside. But, if you send me a empty bottle, I'll return it back filled with free fluid. You'll see that this stuff works better than the store bought product. It will really fill the room with thick, white, cedar smoke. You'll be impressed. I might be able to sway your thinking. Of course, there will be a $30.00 shipping and handling charge. This will not include tax and insurance, which will be extra. Allow 4-6 weeks for delivery. Priority shipping is available, but at a slightly higher charge. I know you won't be less than happy with this deal. Because you know the meaning of "retailing" . Merry Christmas.............D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28492	From: Tim	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Up Blackmail

Pretty moronic, isn't it! ----- Original Message ----- From: Irving Washington To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Up Blackmail Do we all really need to know whenever someone e-mails UP? >From: Robert D Eves III <rdeves@...> >To: Robert Wight <blueearthbob@...>, joestrainrepair@..., > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Up Blackmail >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:38:11 -0500 > >I sent mine. next > > >At 03:55 PM 12/19/2003, Robert Wight wrote: > >I sent them mine. Next. > > > > > > > >Yours in Model Railroading > >Bob Wight > >Model Railroading Keeps you Young > >Catch the Wave > >http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> > >To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: [S-Trains] Up Blackmail > >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:27:19 -0800 (PST) > > > >I am furious about the new Union Pacific policy to > >charge toy train manufacturers for the right to use > >their name, and the names of the fallen railroads that > >they have purchased. Therefore, I sent the following > >message to the UP corporate headquarters: > > > >=========== > >Your company should just be happy anyone wants to use > >your name. In the old days, railroads paid model > >train manufacturers to have their names and logos put > >on model trains. I, and many others with the number > >mushrooming rapidly, plan to boycott and not purchase > >anything with Union Pacific on it and we will pressure > >the manufacturers to cease producing such items. If > >for some miracle, the courts uphold a challenge > >against using fallen flags as well without payment, we > >will add these names to the list of boycotted items. > >============== > > > >I would suggest that others who feel likewise should > >express their outrage by contacting UP. An e-mail > >message to them can be sent by accessing the UP > >website at www.up.com and clicking on the feedback > >button. > > > >Joe > > > > > >===== > >Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > >404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > >Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines > >American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions > > Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International > >joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ It's our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. Get it now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28493	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid--lamp oil

***(((Anyone try simple hurricane lamp oil?)))**** I tried it for a while,..worked good.....but there was some talk on the list of it POSSIBLY gumming up the wicks. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28494	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

At 02:40 PM 12/20/03 +0000, you wrote: >Careful Dennis, Carl Rodgers is a TROLL for Gardinia. Next thing you >know you'll be getting e-mails from Gardinina with your e-mail >message to Carl pasted at the bottom. I think he used to be Pushpins >on here, and either got his cover blown, or Pushpins is Gardinia. David, Thanks for the heads up. I was wondering why he got bent out of shape. He didn't argue the facts, just that someone dared to bring them up. Five dollars an ounce for what he believes is kerosene seems high to me. That would be high for Enron. Union Pacific wants $5.00 an item to use their logos. That's dumb, greedy, excessive, and just plain wrong. People here have told them so. The fluid folks are in the same category. And, I can tell them so, Ever check the label on these smoke fluids? There always seems to be things missing. But, I'm not tuned into the fine art of "retailing". The labels on products from real companies are so much more informative. I guess the law is relaxed when it comes to people making "Genuine Super Secret A.C. Gilbert Smoke Fluid". Maybe it's because they throw in the funnel. Let me say something that will really Push some Pins. Doug Peck has a telephone number, a real address, will answer your questions, is knowledgeable, gives great advice, never has a bad word to say about anyone in the hobby. He is service oriented and has an excellent reputation because he has earned it. To me what he does is the definition of "retailing.". Have a Great Christmas, Dennis Donovan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28495	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

At 01:14 PM 12/20/03 -0500, you wrote: >Nice rant! Thanks, my Pins were Pushed............. Merry Christmas, Dennis Donovan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28496	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

>Delivered-To: riker@... >To: riker@... >Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:45:40 -0500 >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!! >X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 >From: Howell S Jobbins <hsjobbins@...> > >Guys, >I USE CLEAR UNSENT LAMP OIL from the hardware store. It smokes double the >Lionel fluid I have and isn't bad aromatically. At $2.99 a quart, and >used in small doses I have years of supply in one bottle. You just should >use it carefully and not in accessive amounts per load. Been using it for >three years with no damage to anything. Howell, It's message like these that just ruins the day for some "retailers" in the hobby. Next thing you know people will read the labels on those $2.99 quarts, and see what's exactly in the bottle and where and who it was made. This could have major negative impact for many people. But, you must admit, they did not include the funnel............ Merry Christmas, Dennis Donovan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28497	From: Ed Eckert	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Model Trains to Operate at Union Pacific Museum

Check out this at the UP site. They are benefitting from our Hobby and they want us to pay them for there logo's? http://www.uprr.com/notes/corpcomm/2003/1212_model.shtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28498	From: pmcelroy	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Another Blatant Ad

John; Can you describe any flaws on these two sets of engines. If they are in nice condition I'll take both. Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Another Blatant Ad > This time I have an L-2004 Rio-Grande EMD F-9,EC, asking $200.00 and > a 21206/21206-1 Santa Fe AA Diesel and Dummy EMD F-9's, EC, asking > $200.00. Contact me off list if interested. Also listing them on the > S-Org classifieds. Thanks,John B. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28499	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Smoke Fluid

Yes! I used scented lamp oil(pine) for years. Playing around now with cedarwood oil mixed with mineral oil........Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Becker" <afmaven@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Fluid > Anyone try simple hurricane lamp oil? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28500	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: SMOKE & MIRRORS>>>

GEEEEEeeeeeZZZ...>> GET ALONG KIDS...>>>The last 24hrs on the site shows of the kind of clicks and cluster groups at train meets and clubs that make others want to Stay Home ..STOP THE BICKERING..IM BETTER YOUR BETTER ....There is no BIG SECRET to SMOKE FLUID..I have known the AF smoke fluid reciept for 27 yrs ...It is 2 ingrediants.. (1)..Kerosene ..(2) Cedarwood Oil...That is why such a Variety of products work ..There is no Mineral oil in it ....If you want to burn Mineral oil,Vaseline, etc ..That will gum up your smoke chambers ..maybe not right away or the first time but IT WILL LEAVE RESIDUE..that in time will crystalize and get hard will not allow the wick to absorb and will not work as well ...SOOO If you KIDDIES want to STOP your BS..and your PERSONAL SPATS...ANYONE CAN MAKE SMOKE FLUID IDENTICAL TO AFs >>>IF THEY ARE WILLING TO GO GET THE PROPER INGREDIANTS...AND MIX THEIR OWN.>>>...I DO ...IT IS NOT OVERLY EXPENSIVE >>>BUT ..It is a time thing and the ingredients must be obtained from a reliable soarce...IE: Chemical supply Co...Anyone wanting further info ..can e mail me... LETS ALL HAVE FUN & BE HAPPY AT THIS GREAT TIME OF YEAR..REMEMBER IT WAS THIS SEASON THAT GOT US ALL INTO TRAINS TO BEGIN WITH >>>MERRY CHRISTMAS...HAPPY HOLIDAYS....LET THE SMOKE ROLL... EDWARD..<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28501	From: Tom Pennington	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: UP and a more effective way to protest

I have been bugged by this UP scheme to become the modern day Scrooge for many months now, and I think I have a better way to protest than writing letters etc. What if the manufacturers simply sold a decal sheet (gross about $1) with a locomotive/freight car so you could make it whatever UP related road you wanted. That way, it would very quickly cost them more to administer the program than it was worth, forcing them to alter or drop their scheme entirely. It would also keep the cost of the items from the manufacturers the same as they would have less labor on these items and would also help out those who make decals. This way everyone BUT Union Pacific wins!!! _---_---_---______--__--___+-----+||] [||####### #####|______||_____ || ONION PACIFIC __| [][] |__ || ||_______________________/ _| OP |___\_|| | ||| | | | | | | / | 4212 | # ||| | []|=|==================o=====o==================|=|[] /|-||(0)|=|(0)|=|(O) |_________| (0)|=|(0)|=|(O)||-|\ ========================================================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28502	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re.UP licensing--apples and oranges, guys, let's get logical here

There have been two comments lately that I decided I HAVE to respond to: (augh, just ended a sentence in a preposition!!) 1) No free ride. Excuse me, Putting a railroad's name on a model so it appears like the prototype is not an attempt to market something as a product of the railroad, nor is it an attempt to show oversight/endorsement/or approval by the railroad.The selling of said locomotive does not harm the railroad, nor cause it any loss of market (actually just the opposite might be said!). The use of the railroad's logo or name on a model does not confuse the consumer (given the consumer has intelligence) as to who the logo/name represents. The model manufacturer may see a greater demand for the model because of the railroad name on the model, but it could also limit the marketability of the model too. Traditionally, a model of any particular railroad's equipment has been considered to be good will advertising for the railroad, although the benefits are immeasurable--as is much of advertising! 2) Licensing fees for using Hershey's (R), Coke (R), etc are normal, so model manufacturers are used to paying such fees. Sorry--many of these items do not represent real objects, and are done to capitalize on the product name, as opposed to a railroad name enhancing the realism of a model. Apples and Oranges here, guys, not in the same ball game at all! Well, I gotta get to my holiday shopping, not much time left, and I'm just getting back on my feet, understand many others have/had this bug, and it takes its own sweet time in leaving--AAUGH!! Have fun with your trains! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28503	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Free Classified Ads - a few more details

Some of the folks (especially AOL types) have had trouble re-setting there passwords on the S-Scale.org site. If you request a password or account, and don't get a reply email within about two minutes, then please let me know. I can do it manually. S-Scale.org is at http://S-Scale.org Classifieds are at http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/sscale/adverts.php If you own an S related business please feel free to post an ad or anouncement on this site. If you post an ad be sure and specify how long you want the ad to run. There are about 10 ads out there right now. You DON'T need a logon to read the ads. You only need one if you are posting an ad. All ads get approved by me. I just added a some new categories, if you like I can add more. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28504	From: Tim	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing--apples and oranges, guys, let's get logical he

Well, that's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it, just as I am mine. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey To: Walt Danylak ; keefer1 ; Tim Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re.UP licensing--apples and oranges, guys, let's get logical here There have been two comments lately that I decided I HAVE to respond to: (augh, just ended a sentence in a preposition!!) 1) No free ride. Excuse me, Putting a railroad's name on a model so it appears like the prototype is not an attempt to market something as a product of the railroad, nor is it an attempt to show oversight/endorsement/or approval by the railroad.The selling of said locomotive does not harm the railroad, nor cause it any loss of market (actually just the opposite might be said!). The use of the railroad's logo or name on a model does not confuse the consumer (given the consumer has intelligence) as to who the logo/name represents. The model manufacturer may see a greater demand for the model because of the railroad name on the model, but it could also limit the marketability of the model too. Traditionally, a model of any particular railroad's equipment has been considered to be good will advertising for the railroad, although the benefits are immeasurable--as is much of advertising! 2) Licensing fees for using Hershey's (R), Coke (R), etc are normal, so model manufacturers are used to paying such fees. Sorry--many of these items do not represent real objects, and are done to capitalize on the product name, as opposed to a railroad name enhancing the realism of a model. Apples and Oranges here, guys, not in the same ball game at all! Well, I gotta get to my holiday shopping, not much time left, and I'm just getting back on my feet, understand many others have/had this bug, and it takes its own sweet time in leaving--AAUGH!! Have fun with your trains! S' David D. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28505	From: Howell S Jobbins	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

Just trying to help, and you don't have shipping to deal with. Merry Christmas, and have fun with TRAINS !!!!! HSJ-NASG On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:13:22 -0500 Dennis Donovan <riker@...> writes: > > >Delivered-To: riker@... > >To: riker@... > >Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:45:40 -0500 > >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!! > >X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 > >From: Howell S Jobbins <hsjobbins@...> > > > >Guys, > >I USE CLEAR UNSENT LAMP OIL from the hardware store. It smokes > double the > >Lionel fluid I have and isn't bad aromatically. At $2.99 a quart, > and > >used in small doses I have years of supply in one bottle. You just > should > >use it carefully and not in accessive amounts per load. Been using > it for > >three years with no damage to anything. > > > Howell, > It's message like these that just ruins the day for some > "retailers" > in the hobby. Next thing you know people will read the labels on > those > $2.99 quarts, and see what's exactly in the bottle and where and who > it was > made. This could have major negative impact for many people. > But, you must admit, they did not include the > funnel............ > > > Merry Christmas, > Dennis Donovan > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28506	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] SMOKE & MIRRORS>>>

> > >Subject: [S-Trains] SMOKE & MIRRORS>>> > >GEEEEEeeeeeZZZ...>> GET ALONG KIDS...>>>The last 24hrs on the site >shows of the kind of clicks and cluster groups at train meets and >clubs that make others want to Stay Home ..STOP THE BICKERING..IM >BETTER YOUR BETTER ....There is no BIG SECRET to SMOKE FLUID..I have >known the AF smoke fluid reciept for 27 yrs ...It is 2 ingrediants.. >(1)..Kerosene ..(2) Cedarwood Oil...That is why such a Variety of >products work ..There is no Mineral oil in it ....If you want to >burn Mineral oil,Vaseline, etc ..That will gum up your smoke >chambers ..maybe not right away or the first time but IT WILL LEAVE >RESIDUE..that in time will crystalize and get hard will not allow >the wick to absorb and will not work as well ...SOOO If you KIDDIES >want to STOP your BS..and your PERSONAL SPATS...ANYONE CAN MAKE >SMOKE FLUID IDENTICAL TO AFs >>>IF THEY ARE WILLING TO GO GET THE >PROPER INGREDIANTS...AND MIX THEIR OWN.>>>...I DO ...IT IS NOT >OVERLY EXPENSIVE >>>BUT ..It is a time thing and the ingredients >must be obtained from a reliable soarce...IE: Chemical supply >Co...Anyone wanting further info ..can e mail me... >LETS ALL HAVE FUN & BE HAPPY AT THIS GREAT TIME OF YEAR..REMEMBER IT >WAS THIS SEASON THAT GOT US ALL INTO TRAINS TO BEGIN WITH >>>MERRY >CHRISTMAS...HAPPY HOLIDAYS....LET THE SMOKE ROLL... >EDWARD..<< Gee....I didn't mean to make you yell. But, it's not nice to be insulting. I don't want to see you pulled over on Christmas like I was. I know what's in the fluid. Can you tell us how they made the funnel?..........D.D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28507	From: Tim	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Re.UP licensing--apples and oranges, guys, let's get logical he

David & guys, On this U.P. thing, what I objected to was one or more guys seeming to come across in their rant to U. P. that they were representing the S-List and my personal interest in what is good for the gauge. Anyone can write whatever little letter they want - they may get a free rail pass or something out of it - so long as they make it clear that it is THEIR own opinion on the subject. The only person on this list qualified to represent the list is Paul. I always take offense when someone presumes to know and espouse what they think is in my best interest. That's all I have to say that wouldn't make people shrink in terror. :) :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: keefer1 To: Tim ; djdewey@... Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re.UP licensing--apples and oranges, guys, let's get logical here So putting Cokes name (which is real) on a boxcar hurts COKE in some way?Just like a coke logo on a tshirt or toy truck.Apples and oranges ..I don't think so.I think it actually helps coke more than hurts it.I think you may have taken a tad to much medicine ...again! I think it's their to sell as they please,and personally it will have no efffect on me.Keith --- Tim <Timboy@...> wrote: > Well, that's your opinion and you are certainly > entitled to it, just as I am mine. > > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Dewey > To: Walt Danylak ; keefer1 ; Tim > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:27 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re.UP licensing--apples and > oranges, guys, let's get logical here > > > There have been two comments lately that I decided > I HAVE to respond to: > (augh, just ended a sentence in a preposition!!) > 1) No free ride. Excuse me, Putting a railroad's > name on a model so it > appears like the prototype is not an attempt to > market something as a > product of the railroad, nor is it an attempt to > show > oversight/endorsement/or approval by the > railroad.The selling of said > locomotive does not harm the railroad, nor cause > it any loss of market > (actually just the opposite might be said!). The > use of the railroad's logo > or name on a model does not confuse the consumer > (given the consumer has > intelligence) as to who the logo/name represents. > The model manufacturer may > see a greater demand for the model because of the > railroad name on the > model, but it could also limit the marketability > of the model too. > Traditionally, a model of any particular > railroad's equipment has been > considered to be good will advertising for the > railroad, although the > benefits are immeasurable--as is much of > advertising! > 2) Licensing fees for using Hershey's (R), Coke > (R), etc are normal, so > model manufacturers are used to paying such fees. > Sorry--many of these items > do not represent real objects, and are done to > capitalize on the product > name, as opposed to a railroad name enhancing the > realism of a model. Apples > and Oranges here, guys, not in the same ball game > at all! > > Well, I gotta get to my holiday shopping, not much > time left, and I'm just > getting back on my feet, understand many others > have/had this bug, and it > takes its own sweet time in leaving--AAUGH!! > Have fun with your trains! > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28508	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: I'd be Tankfull-

> Hey, anyone help me? I need a picture or 3 of the inside mechanism > of the 589 op. water tank. I seem to be in the same boat as Butch. If someone can send me pix of the innards of their water tank I would be grateful. My locomotives have been running low on water for some time now--of course we all know the danger of that! Jeff Feldmeier BeechCrRR@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28509	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout photos

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rkuepper" <rkuepper@a...> wrote: > I posted some new photos of my Christmas layouts. > > http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album08 I love the "No Petticoat Junction" scene in the New York Central Southern album! Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28510	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: My AF 963 has "white acne"

I spent much of the afternoon cleaning and rehabbing streamlined passenger cars 961, 962 and 963. I was doing fine until I got to the latter. It has white splotches, like acne, all over the exterior. I hit it with the hairdryer but the white didn't "disappear" like on other pieces of AF equipment. Is there something else I can do to give this car a clear complexion? Also on the 963--is there supposed to be some red stuff in the upper rear light (marker light?), the one above the windows and drumhead? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28511	From: rodgers_carl	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Re: You Have Got to be Kidding Me!!

What kind of people are on this list? calling me a "TROLL", when you don't even know me. So I suppose every person on this list who mentions Doug Peck is a TROLL for him. Who are you a TROLL for David? who ever you are. And I don't even know who pushpins is. Do you spend all your time looking under your bed? What a bunch. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Donovan <riker@w...> wrote: > At 02:40 PM 12/20/03 +0000, you wrote: > >Careful Dennis, Carl Rodgers is a TROLL for Gardinia. Next thing you > >know you'll be getting e-mails from Gardinina with your e-mail > >message to Carl pasted at the bottom. I think he used to be Pushpins > >on here, and either got his cover blown, or Pushpins is Gardinia. > > > David, > Thanks for the heads up. I was wondering why he got bent out of shape. > He didn't argue the facts, just that someone dared to bring them up. Five > dollars an ounce for what he believes is kerosene seems high to me. That > would be high for Enron. > Union Pacific wants $5.00 an item to use their logos. That's dumb, > greedy, excessive, and just plain wrong. People here have told them so. The > fluid folks are in the same category. And, I can tell them so, > Ever check the label on these smoke fluids? There always seems to be > things missing. But, I'm not tuned into the fine art of "retailing". The > labels on products from real companies are so much more informative. I > guess the law is relaxed when it comes to people making "Genuine Super > Secret A.C. Gilbert Smoke Fluid". Maybe it's because they throw in the funnel. > Let me say something that will really Push some Pins. Doug Peck has > a telephone number, a real address, will answer your questions, is > knowledgeable, gives great advice, never has a bad word to say about anyone > in the hobby. He is service oriented and has an excellent reputation > because he has earned it. To me what he does is the definition of "retailing.". > > > Have a Great Christmas, > Dennis Donovan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28512	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/20/2003
Subject: Time out!

I am taking the list Offline. More details to follow. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28513	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Status of the List

Thanks: First I would like to say thanks to the folks that were kind enough to send me notes and say thanks for the list, and say how much they enjoy it. Several of you have voiced your dissatisfaction with the current tone of the list. In most cases I agree with your concerns. I am not a retired person, so converting the list to a �moderator approval required list� is not an option. I also think that it would inhibit some of the great information exchanges that we currently enjoy. Constructive � Accurate � Factual: The list is coming back. As it comes back to life I would ask you to renew your efforts to make it a great place to get constructive, factual and accurate information. To accomplish this will take a concerted effort of the list members. I am open to your ideas on how to accomplish this goal. Here are some of my ideas. When you POST a note to the list. 1) Read it over a couple times. Make sure that it is clear and concise. 2) If you are expressing an �opinion�, it is sometimes helpful to state IMHO (in my humble opinion) so that everyone recognizes that this is your �opinion� and you understand that others might differ. 3) Always try and make the subject line relevant to the content of the note. (Thanks to all of you that put the word �e-bay� in your e-bay related notes.) When you respond to a note: 1) Before you respond, THINK, is your response good for the list? Is it constructive, accurate and factual? Have you already posted your opinion on this subject today? If you have already posted on this subject today, why not give others a chance to speak, if you MUST reply, reply to the sender (and tell him you are taking the discussion off line because Paul likes it that way.) Who knows maybe you and the other guy can find some common ground and later on post a message expressing your differing opinions and explaining how they are arrived at, and what you agree on. 2) Make sure that the note you are responding to actually came from the list, it is important that you do not publish someone�s private correspondence without their knowledge or permission. 3) Include enough of the previous note so that someone that did not see the note can get the jest of what you are talking about. 4) Please don�t POST notes like. �I agree with Joe�, or �You got that right�. These are unnecessary comments. If I send you a note and suggest you back off on a thread, please don�t start an extended argument with me. I don�t have unlimited amounts of time to engage in these decisions. Please just remember I would not be sending you a note unless I thought you were disrupting the list. I am not blaming you for the disruption, just asking you to slow it down.� If you feel like you have been mistreated by a list member, please let me know. I would rather you tell me than start some big squabble on the list. Also if you see something on the list that does not involve you, but looks like it might need my intervention, please let me know. The list is now open. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28514	From: Tom	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: civility in discourse

Hi, I am disturbed by the tendency for some writers to "talk trash" while communicating to the list. A few years ago, I was slammed with invective for saying something positive about a dealer who had always treated me fairly, and later was called assorted names when I discussed something about using die-cast cars as scenery items, which someone had deemed of topic. While I don't want to defend those crude enough to "trash" others on line, I think what is happening is a cultural difference. There are just some areas in the country where people accept a certain amount of "trash talk" as a part of life, and don't even notice when they use it. Where I live, certainly no one would use the type of uncivil speech I have noticed on this list recently about such thing as smoke fluid. I don't think people around here are any better or really more polite, it is just that if one used such language around here in the course of day to day discourse you would run about a 10 to 20% risk of having your car keyed or your tires slashed, or at least you wouldn't be on anyone's Christmas card list. I suspect it is just a cultural difference, there are just some things you don't say in some parts of the country. It isn't a free speech issue, you can say what you want, but then you have to pay the price for what you have said. I suspect that some of the worst offenders don't even realize how they are perceived by those out of their cultural milieu. Sorry for being overly academic about this. That's my "cultural thing." Tom Gerbasi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28515	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: Status of the List

Paul and fellow S Gauge Listers, First Id like to say thank you for this list. I rarely input much, but take much from it, and the friendships Ive developed thru it have been fantastic. I have been out of town for the last few days, and as I sat here and read, or briefly scanned the majority of the emails from the S List, I could barely keep my finger cool from hitting the delete button so often. We all have our individual thoughts, likes, dislikes and of course opinions. This forum affords us, with certain reservations, to voice these, again, within reason. The personal attacks and name calling that Ive seen has become something Id expect from a elementary school group. We are all grown people, and all share the common hobby of model railroading, with that said, lets enjoy our hobby, or passion, and the source of information available to each of us thru the S Gauge List. I again thank Paul for his efforts to have this available, and in the spirit of the Season, want to wish each and everyone the most Joyous and Peaceful time during this Holiday Season, and the New Year. Thank You again for the opportunity to have this forum. Regards, Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28516	From: rkuepper	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Chat tonight

We have company tonight, so I probably won't be at chat [unless I can push them out early ;^)]. Hope everyone has a safe and Merry Christmas (or holiday of your preference), and a safe, happy and prosperous New Year! Dick Aurora, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28517	From: Jollivier4@cs.com	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: the panel set lives!

Hi gang, My panel set made another successful trip to my classroom this year. The kids ran the original Casey Jones, a smoking 303, and a Putt Trains Docksider. All ran beautifully although we had to put a pen under the uncoupler button to keep the Docksider from getting stuck. The 303 was by far the preferred engine. You just can't beat smoke and choo choo. One caboose made a trip to the carpeted floor, but nothing got broken like last time. 30 more kids and a few adults were reintroduced to American Flyer. I'd love to find some additional panels. Does anyone have any gathering dust somewhere? Also, what is the purpose of the yellow wire between the rivets on each panel? Since it doesn't contact either rail, is it for accessories? Happy rails to all, and to all a good night! Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28518	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: That Green Scenery stuff

I for the first time purchased that Green scenery stuff that comes in a roll. I allways made my own ground cover. I got this to make a very small layout for my lady friends granchild. The question is. Does this stuff always just all come off like that? I mean it just is everywhere. Or am I missing something. After paying the high price for it am I supposed to reglue it? Any ideas on this stuff? Happy Holidays Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord _________________________________________________________________ It�s our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. Get it now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28519	From: Bradley	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: The Panel Set Lives!

What a great idea that is, taking the scenic panel set to show the kids! Sounds like you had as much fun as they did. As for the yellow wire underneath the panels it is used to conduct the accessory voltage to the switch motors on the switch panels or the whistle motor on the whistle panel. The metal clips that hook in the eyelets between the panels make the electrical connection from panel to panel a well as holding the panels together. No external wiring should be needed provided everything is intact underneath your panels. I have a website for All Aboard Panels at www.allaboardsets.com that might be helpful to you....Brad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28520	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Maximum rise?

Can someone tell me the maximum recommended rise per foot for a Flyer train layout? gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28521	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: NASG Heavyweights

Hi Folks In the files section I uploaded the NASG Heavyweight passenger car order bank. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28522	From: Bente and Rance	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] NASG Heavyweights

Hi John: I checked out the heavyweight info and order form from you. It said something like car names for 22 roads. Does this mean that the 22 roads are also available with the orders, or that you can use the cars for 22 roads. I am interested in ATSF (which I think were pullman green). Does anyone know if this is correct, and can these cars be used reasonably for this road? John, do we just order the cars in a color and we have to find the decals, number data, etc. and make the cars from there? or do you also have the decals, or does AM do the lettering? thanks for the info. Rance Velapoldi (Norway) John A Foley wrote: >Hi Folks > > In the files section I uploaded the NASG Heavyweight passenger car order >bank. >John > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Scale-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28523	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 21, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28524	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Maximum rise

The original Gilbert trestle instructions claimed a rise of approximately one third of an inch to the foot. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28525	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: Note to Sunday Chattters-SHS Turnouts ?

I never can seem to get into the Sunday Chat sessions. I think you have about 30 minutes left. I would like to make a request. If there is any chat feedback on the new SHS turnouts, I would appreciate a brief recap from somebody. Either to me off life or to the whole list. I would expect that there would be somebody in the chat who would have received some of those turnouts by now ans tested them. Thanks - Earl Henry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28526	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Bubblewrap

Hi Chuck, I was away in Lancaster, PA since Friday and I just got in a few hours ago, as I am checking email. I will write about that trip a little later for the group, as I did allot of model train stuff in PA and it fun and a great time. No, I have never wrapped anything in bubblewrap, as all of my trains on are on shelving and they protected from any dust too with Plexiglas doors. But it was a topic on the TCA list and many on the list had some residue on cars, as that is risky to me. I will say, that many said to wrap the item first in a paper towel or cloth, then use the bubble, and that should be fine. And yes, newspaper is not good to use either, as newsprint can wear off. When I go to train shows, I always take a product made of rayon, a cloth like item, call a Chix towel to wrap any purchase I made, to take the train home in. They can be gotten at any janitorial/food supplier. Use see them allot in fast food places, as they use them to wipe up the tables. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "jayhoo64" <jayhoo64@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Dissatifaction in the O ranks with CTT! > Mike wrote: > > >I did learn on that site, not to use bubblewrap directly on plastic > >as it leave a residue on things. > > Mike, have you actually had a problem with bubble wrap yourself? I > ask because I use bubble wrap exclusively for storing rolling stock, > and I've never had any problem with any residue, even after storing > plastic AF stuff in bubble wrap for over a decade. That includes > storage in warm environments of up to 120 deg. F , perhaps even a > little warmer. The only thing I've had to be careful of is the wrap > contacting oily metal parts (like sintered iron trucks) causing the > oil to seep onto the plastic carbody. Even then there has been no > damage, just a need for cleaning. > > I don't think you need to be concerned about damage or residue from > bubble wrap. Given that it's so much less abrasive than newsprint and > other papers, I prefer it. > > Chuck F. > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28527	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: AF Lionel Wire Wheel Car

Hello Group, I just got the new Lionel reproduction of the AF wire wheel car and the spool is not being held to the body by a screw like the original AF car. Has anybody bought one of these cars? Does anyone know any suggestion to keep the spool from moving, as I am afraid in time the spool will scratch the to surface of the blue paint. There is a screw hole in the repro body of the new car, but I am not sure what will happen to the spool, once the screw starts to go into the spool like the original. Will I crack it? Any suggestions or comments will be greatly appreciated. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28528	From: waldootten	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: That Green Scenery stuff

Bob -- I bought some of that product last winter for a temporary layout and had the same problem. It appears to be colored sawdust glued to green paper -- and obviously not very well glued, as it was all over the place. And pretty expensive for what it is, I might add. Phil K --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Wight" <blueearthbob@h...> wrote: > > I for the first time purchased that Green scenery stuff that comes > in a roll. I allways made my own ground cover. I got this to make a very > small layout for my lady friends granchild. The question is. Does this stuff > always just all come off like that? I mean it just is everywhere. Or am I > missing something. After paying the high price for it am I supposed to > reglue it? Any ideas on this stuff? > Happy Holidays > > > Yours in Model Railroading > Bob Wight > Model Railroading Keeps you Young > Catch the Wave > http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. Get it > now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28529	From: waldootten	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise?

Tom Jarcho is right when he says 1/3 inch rise per foot -- I believe that is the rise of the Flyer trestle sets, 4 inches upward in 12 linear feet. That would be a grade of 3.33 percent. I have also read that you can get away with more. With non-oily track and clean PulMor wheels sets on a fairly heavy locomotive, I have grades of 4 percent (zero to four inches in 8 feet) and just about all my locos will pull 6 to 8 freight cars up the hill with no slippage. Haven't tested to find a max number of cars per loco style yet. For reference, while AC Gilbert Flyer trestle sets carry a 3.33 percent grade, most Lionel trestle sets are 7.5 percent, I'm told. But the average three-rail loco also weighs a lot more than the average Flyer loco, giving it more tractive power, if I have the correct terminology. But these rises are for toy train layouts... Real railroads consider a 1 percent grade steep, and rarely go higher than 2 to 2.5 percent. So if you are modeling a real railroad, this would be your range. Hope this helps, Phil K _________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gary Chidester <GChidester@m...> wrote: > Can someone tell me the maximum recommended rise per foot for a Flyer train > layout? > > gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28530	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/21/2003
Subject: : [S-Trains] Kreft E-unit Fingers ( afp products )

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28531	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise?

Dear Phil, Woodland Scenics make elevations in curvable foam of 2, 3 and 4 degree that AF track with roadbed (as well as our S -Trax) fits nicely upon. Don http://www.woodlandscenics.com/items.htm/FoamProducts#st1410 waldootten wrote: >Tom Jarcho is right when he says 1/3 inch rise per foot -- I believe >that is the rise of the Flyer trestle sets, 4 inches upward in 12 >linear feet. That would be a grade of 3.33 percent. > >I have also read that you can get away with more. With non-oily >track and clean PulMor wheels sets on a fairly heavy locomotive, I >have grades of 4 percent (zero to four inches in 8 feet) and just >about all my locos will pull 6 to 8 freight cars up the hill with no >slippage. Haven't tested to find a max number of cars per loco style >yet. > >For reference, while AC Gilbert Flyer trestle sets carry a 3.33 >percent grade, most Lionel trestle sets are 7.5 percent, I'm told. >But the average three-rail loco also weighs a lot more than the >average Flyer loco, giving it more tractive power, if I have the >correct terminology. But these rises are for toy train layouts... > >Real railroads consider a 1 percent grade steep, and rarely go >higher than 2 to 2.5 percent. So if you are modeling a real >railroad, this would be your range. > >Hope this helps, > >Phil K >_________________________________________________________________ > >--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Gary Chidester <GChidester@m...> wrote: > > >>Can someone tell me the maximum recommended rise per foot for a >> >> >Flyer train > > >>layout? >> >>gary >> >> > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28532	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: UP and Bedford Falls

Well what ya'll are grumbling about is more to do with who you do business with than anything else... who you support. Next time you shop at Walmart to save a few cents, remember you are running the local business out of business. Next time you go to Home Depot, you are running the local hardware store with creeky wood floors where you can go in and buy three screws out of business. It's the old story of Bailey vs Potter over and over... and the masses typically support Potter even though they hate his very gutts. Wanna make a difference? Review the companies you do business with and make adjustments where you find yourself supporting the kind of businesses you hate. I practice what I preach - I resigned from my corporate America to head back to helping small businesses and Christian ministries - WHERE I BELONG! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28533	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: Bubblewrap

I've heard it can pull paint off, so paper for me when it comes to wrapping things up. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28534	From: Michael Lueck	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Poor performance of Workman Car

I was cleaning up a workman car I got recently - wheels and contacts. The moter is still very "gittery" and does not run smooth. There is no E-Units on these, so additional cleaning ideas to get it running well? Thanks! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28535	From: Tim	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Trestle trusses

Hi, I liked Tom Jarco's idea in this month's S Gaugian about using HO plate girder bridges, modified, in-between trestles. I've been doing the same kinda thing with Erector set parts. It not only gives a nice effect, it provides a more stable, long-term base for the track. Does anyone else have a variation on this as well? Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28536	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Here we go again.......

> For those upset with Union Pacific, "Have you driven a Ford lately".......D.D. ><http://www.obsoletefordparts.com/readallaboutit.html>http://www.obsoletefordparts.com/readallaboutit.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28537	From: waldootten	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: Here we go again.......

IMHO, what the story in the link illustrates is only basic principle: that anyone can sue anyone over anything. Big mega-buck corporations have battalions of lawyers on retainer. They also know that little guys -- like cottage industry model train manufacturers and used auto parts sellers, for the purpose of this discussion -- usually don't have the financial resources to fight court battles of any length. So they pick out an "example" and sue. The small guys know it is ultimately cheaper to bow to the big corps' demands. And any other small company involved in a similar situation -- fair or unfair -- will usually follow suit after getting a letter from the big corps' attorneys. In these cases, the big corps don't really "win" or prove anything beyond the fact that big money usually trumps small money. Getting a small company to capitulate in cases like these is not considered a "legal victory" because the lawsuits are usually settled before being tested in a court of law. Is it fair? I think not, but unfortunately, that's how it works in the real world. Phil K ________________________________________________________________ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Donovan <riker@w...> wrote: > > > > For those upset with Union Pacific, "Have you driven a Ford > lately".......D.D. > > > > ><http://www.obsoletefordparts.com/readallaboutit.html>http://www.obs oletefordparts.com/readallaboutit.html > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28538	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: Trestle trusses

In a message dated 12/22/2003 11:45:48 AM Mountain Standard Time, Timboy@... writes: I liked Tom Jarco's idea in this month's S Gaugian about using HO plate girder bridges, modified, in-between trestles. I've been doing the same kinda thing with Erector set parts. It not only gives a nice effect, it provides a more stable, long-term base for the track. Does anyone else have a variation on this as well? Tim Brown This is exactly how my Flyer trestles are hooked together and track laid. The spacing offered by the HO girders is very nice too. They space the trestle pieces exactly 9" apart center to center. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28539	From: keefer1	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans

Hey Rick, I noticed Paso Robles on the national news.Everything OK out there? Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28540	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans

I got the notice about an hour ago....Japan had one today....about 3 or 4 yesterday.....Bob Conner A magnitude 6.5 earthquake IN CENTRAL CALIFORNIA has occurred at: 35.71N 121.10W Depth 8km Mon Dec 22 19:15:56 2003 UTC ----- Original Message ----- From: "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] earthquake,not trains Rick Evans > Hey Rick, I noticed Paso Robles on the national > news.Everything OK out there? Keith > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28541	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans

**(((Hey Rick, I noticed Paso Robles on the national news.Everything OK out there? Keith)))*** One historic brick building in Paso Robles, CA (ten miles from me), has collasped,..killing one person. All is well with me. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28542	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Greenberg's York, Pa.

Hi Folks The NASG has been invited to setup our switching layout at Greenberg's York, Pa. Train Show. On 01/10-11/04. I could use some help, if interested email me at john.foley16@.... John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28543	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: test~~~~delete please

test [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28544	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: S scale vehicles

Several people have spoken of trying to find steam era S scale vehicles. At Kmart today I saw a 1935 Ford tow truck and a 1950 Ford sedan. If anybody sees the 1950 Chev tow truck, let us know so that we all can start looking for it. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28545	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: S scale vehicles

***(((If anybody sees the 1950 Chev tow truck, let us know so that we all can start looking for it.)))**** Yep! I've been looking!!! Found two of the '35's....but no 50's!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28546	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: New S-Helper Catalog

Got my new S-Helper catalog today. All I can say is WOW! 56 pages chock full of s-gauge product. Wouldn't thought this possible just a few short years ago. Those who haven't gotten their catalogs, you are in for a real treat when you see this beauty. There is an added bonus, a coupon good for 10% off MSRP on all in stock items thru to the end of January 2004. Don, thanks for all you have done for the S-gauge community. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28547	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans

*(*((This is my original message that I can't seem to get through!! Let's see if THIS works!)*)*)) Whew! Just a few things knocked over on my Fall layout,...trains and goodies are fine around the tree!! Played havoc with my 1/64th cars on display though!! Cambria is about 30 miles from me. (6.5) It was my daughter's first earthquake. We got a little scared when it didn't stop right away!! Knocked a few things from shelves,..nothing serious,....my cousin in town here, got hit worse!! More mess. I thought our Christmas tree was coming down!! Hope all are well in the rest of Calif. !!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28548	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans

Rick....there was also a 4.6 and a 4.7 in your area a little later....one close to the coast.....Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28549	From: William Lange	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Christmas layout 2003 - a poem!

' Twas a few days before Christmas And all through the house, Each room was a mess Because my boss is a louse! She sent me to travel Near the end of the year And made it so hard To do the things that bring Christmas cheer. But.......... We are almost done and I have posted more pictures. http://s-scale.org/albums/albun32 A very Merry Christmas to all! Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28550	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: New SHS Catalog - Great Job

I have to second Lou's kudos to SHS. Great catalogue. I think the side vision cabooses are new, if I'm not mistaken. Paul S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28551	From: Dan	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: New S-Helper Catalog

I second Lou's opinion. It is a really impressive catalog, both in the quality of the trains and the quality of the photography in the catalog. And now that SHS is cataloging the 2-8-0 Consolidation steamer, nobody can complain about lack of selection in S-scale anymore (well, you can still complain, but your complaints are a lot less valid than before). I just have one "open question" for Don and his associates, and it goes like this: Your models are beautifully detailed, but perhaps a bit too fragile (I am thinking of grab irons, bells, ladders, etc.) to allow young children to handle them. Have you ever considered making a starter set that would be a more "toylike", or American Flyer-like, but less detailed, and therefore less fragile and hopefully lower in cost too? Just asking. If you're wondering if there is a market, well, I'd definitely buy one for my grandkids. Anybody else? Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: "lou342ac" <lou342ac@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] New S-Helper Catalog > Got my new S-Helper catalog today. All I can say is WOW! 56 pages > chock full of s-gauge product. Wouldn't thought this possible just a > few short years ago. Those who haven't gotten their catalogs, you are > in for a real treat when you see this beauty. There is an added > bonus, a coupon good for 10% off MSRP on all in stock items thru to > the end of January 2004. > > Don, thanks for all you have done for the S-gauge community. > > Lou Baldi > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28552	From: Dan	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Re: Trestle trusses

I think I read once, maybe even on this list, that plate girder bridges have no inherent scale. In other words, since prototype steel plate and rivets were made in different sizes, therefore nobody can say your bridge model is out of scale. A bridge made as an average sized bridge for S scale could also be used as giant bridge in HO or a small bridge in O, and it will look fine. Likewise, the average-size HO bridges mentioned below look just fine as small bridges in S. Dan Brindell ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <Timboy@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle trusses > In a message dated 12/22/2003 11:45:48 AM Mountain Standard Time, > Timboy@... writes: > I liked Tom Jarco's idea in this month's S Gaugian about using HO plate > girder bridges, modified, in-between trestles. I've been doing the same kinda > thing with Erector set parts. It not only gives a nice effect, it provides a more > stable, long-term base for the track. Does anyone else have a variation on > this as well? > > Tim Brown > This is exactly how my Flyer trestles are hooked together and track laid. The > spacing offered by the HO girders is very nice too. They space the trestle > pieces exactly 9" apart center to center. > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28553	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/22/2003
Subject: Yellow wire on AF Panels

Hi You can power street lights or light building by taking power of base post rail an the clips that connected the panels connected the yellow wire. One unit had a whissel. Note some tract connectors have a stem going to the bottom of the panels for powering accessories. It was a great idea and perhaps it was enginered to expand if they could have stayed in business. Jim Sleeth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28554	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: earthquake,not trains Rick Evans

Rick wished; >Hope all are well in the rest of Calif. !!! S'posedly, the quake was felt from San Fran to as far South as San Diego. I'm in central Orange County, more than 100 miles North of SD, and nobody in our house felt a thing. I couldn't even find out what time it happened. I listened to TV news for almost two hours, not once during that interval did they mention the TIME of the quake. Everything else was yakked about, from the carnage in Paso Robles (btw, it's pronounced "ROBE-less", not "ROE-bulls") to how nervous somebody's pets were, but "when" seemed to be left out of the "who- what-where-when" equation consistently. Had to got to the 'net to find out the quake struck at 11:15:56 AM PST. Anyway, all's well here, bubblewrap notwithstanding. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28555	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Storage boxes

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28556	From: EagleTrains	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > The original Gilbert trestle instructions claimed a rise of approximately > one third of an inch to the foot. > > Tom Jarcho I have a 780 trestle set, but no instructions, and I've never used the set. However, the description of the 780 set in the 1953 catalog says, "Requires 26 track sections." Since a section of track is 10 inches long that would mean you need a total run of 260 inches. (Yes, I know a curved section is slightly longer than 10 inches, but Gilbert also uses the 260 inch figure in the catalog.) Let's assume one 10 inch section at a uniform height of 5 inches (the maximum height of the 780 set) in the middle of the run. That leaves 250 inches - divided equally between the two sides of the run, that means the 0-to-5 inch rise (or decline) occurs in 125 inches. Calculating: 5/125=0.04 a 4% grade. As pointed out in other posts, a 4% grade is not prototypically realistic. Apparently, though, Gilbert engines can handle it. I say "apparently" because I have no personal experience. All of my train operations to date have been in a world so flat it would make Columbus think twice before setting sail. I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate my 780 trestle set into my layout which is under (halted) construction. However, I'm a turnout freak, and it's hard to get a 260 inch elevated run AND a bazillion turnouts in the 10' X 8' space I have to work with. Merry ChriStmaS, Skip Kendel

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28557	From: martyl11	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Screwing down K-line tack.

What is the best screws to use? I'm using the 54" dia. curve with rubber roadbed. I'm building a American Flyer/Plasticville display layout, any ideas would be helpful. Thanks, and Happy Holidays! Hope you all get what you want! Marty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28558	From: Tim	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise

There's another approach to supporting elevated track which I like, but is somewhat expensive. I like the look of using all high trestles, one under each tie and at the track joints. Granted, this can't be done where an elevated section of track passes directly over another section of track. However, this approach could be used with Tom's technique of using HO bridges, and, IMHO, it sure would look cool! The problem is scraping up enough high trestle sections. I always keep my eyes peeled at train shows. This past fall, at York, I scored a dozen high trestle sections for $25! Skip, maybe you could have a separate loop of elevated track, on high trestles, not connected to the rest of your "switch heaven" layout. Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: EagleTrains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Maximum rise --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jarcho@r... wrote: > The original Gilbert trestle instructions claimed a rise of approximately > one third of an inch to the foot. > > Tom Jarcho I have a 780 trestle set, but no instructions, and I've never used the set. However, the description of the 780 set in the 1953 catalog says, "Requires 26 track sections." Since a section of track is 10 inches long that would mean you need a total run of 260 inches. (Yes, I know a curved section is slightly longer than 10 inches, but Gilbert also uses the 260 inch figure in the catalog.) Let's assume one 10 inch section at a uniform height of 5 inches (the maximum height of the 780 set) in the middle of the run. That leaves 250 inches - divided equally between the two sides of the run, that means the 0-to-5 inch rise (or decline) occurs in 125 inches. Calculating: 5/125=0.04 a 4% grade. As pointed out in other posts, a 4% grade is not prototypically realistic. Apparently, though, Gilbert engines can handle it. I say "apparently" because I have no personal experience. All of my train operations to date have been in a world so flat it would make Columbus think twice before setting sail. I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate my 780 trestle set into my layout which is under (halted) construction. However, I'm a turnout freak, and it's hard to get a 260 inch elevated run AND a bazillion turnouts in the 10' X 8' space I have to work with. Merry ChriStmaS, Skip Kendel S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28559	From: AF336	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Christmas layout

Hi, I don't have the elaborate layout that some of you do, but here is what I have under the Christmas tree. http://2003.mwkiner.com/ Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28560	From: Jim G	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Which is better the MTH or AF re-issue

Which is better the MTH or Lionel/AF re-issue of Gabe the Lamplighter and Coal Loader? Pros and cons of both and which is the most accurate reproduction? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28561	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout

***Hi, I don't have the elaborate layout that some of you do, but here is what I have under the Christmas tree.)))*** I MEANT to also ask,...or do you have a 'straight' added to the outside loop!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28562	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout

***(((Hi, I don't have the elaborate layout that some of you do, but here is what I have under the Christmas tree.)))**** I like the track plan Mark. On the outter loop,...did you use original Flyer curves, or the 54" K-Line curves?? I like running my On30 set with a loop of Flyer, BUT,...I wish I had room for TWO Flyer loops, as well as the On30! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28563	From: AF336	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout

Thanks to everyone for all the kind comments. I am using 54" K-Line on the outer loop curves. The 36" K-Line straights and the rest is flyer curve and straight. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Evans [mailto:bassflyer@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:37 AM To: STrains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Christmas layout ***(((Hi, I don't have the elaborate layout that some of you do, but here is what I have under the Christmas tree.)))**** I like the track plan Mark. On the outter loop,...did you use original Flyer curves, or the 54" K-Line curves?? I like running my On30 set with a loop of Flyer, BUT,...I wish I had room for TWO Flyer loops, as well as the On30! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28564	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout

Mark wrote: ***((((I am using 54" K-Line on the outer loop curves. The 36" K-Line straights and the rest is flyer curve and straight.)))**** I had bought the 54" K-Line (curved) track to use this Christmas,...BUT, I didn't buy the roadbed that I wanted to repaint to match my gray Flyer roadbed. Maybe NEXT Christmas! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28565	From: Eagle Trains	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise

The idea of an independent, elevated loop is a good one. I may just see if that will work into my plans. I've also given some thought to using the Woodland Scenic foam risers that someone else mentioned. I would like to get away from a layout where everything is on a single level. I can draw two dimensional track plans all day, but I have trouble visualizing in 3D. I may just lay the track out on a single level, then experiment in the real world environment on how I can have other levels. Skip Kendel ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; EagleTrains Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Maximum rise There's another approach to supporting elevated track which I like, but is somewhat expensive. I like the look of using all high trestles, one under each tie and at the track joints. Granted, this can't be done where an elevated section of track passes directly over another section of track. However, this approach could be used with Tom's technique of using HO bridges, and, IMHO, it sure would look cool! The problem is scraping up enough high trestle sections. I always keep my eyes peeled at train shows. This past fall, at York, I scored a dozen high trestle sections for $25! Skip, maybe you could have a separate loop of elevated track, on high trestles, not connected to the rest of your "switch heaven" layout. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28566	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Fw: (General) UP Logo

I received the response below from UP vis-a-vis licensing. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: <WEBMASTER@...> To: <cesmith@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: (General) UP Logo > > Thank you for sharing your concerns about Union Pacific's licensing > program. Union Pacific announced a formal licensing program in 2002. The > program for the model railroad industry was developed in consultation with > the Model Railroad Industry Association. Rates for model railroad > manufacturers are extremely low and small businesses are generally exempt > from royalty payments. Media reports and internet chatter have > inaccurately portrayed the royalty fees. On a $10 model, royalty rates are > pennies. You can find additional information about our licensing program > on our Web site at http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/modelrail.shtml. > > > > cesmith@... > To: webmaster@... > 12/19/03 02:36 PM cc: > Subject: (General) UP Logo > > > > > > > Category: General > Subject: UP Logo > ; > Name: Charles E. Smith > E-mail Address: cesmith@... > ; > Company: Retired (Xerox) > > Phone Number: 585 381 7474 > ; > Your company should just be happy anyone wants to use > your name. In the old days, railroads paid model > train manufacturers to have their names and logos put > on model trains. I, and many others with the number > mushrooming rapidly, plan to boycott and not purchase > anything with Union Pacific on it and we will pressure > the manufacturers to cease producing such items. If > for some miracle, the courts uphold a challenge > against using fallen flags as well without payment, we > will add these names to the list of boycotted items. > ; > ; > This message was sent at Friday, 12/19/2003 2:36:55 PM Central > This message was generated from server: www.uprr.com > This message was sent from IP address: 209.105.151.58 > The user's browser is: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98) [MSIE > 6.0 Win98] > This feedback was generated from: http://www.up.com > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28567	From: waldootten	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise

>>Let's assume one 10 inch section at a uniform height of 5 inches (the maximum height of the 780 set) in the middle of the run. That leaves 250 inches - divided equally between the two sides of the run, that means the 0-to-5 inch rise (or decline) occurs in 125 inches. Calculating: 5/125=0.04 a 4% grade.<< Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Flyer trestle sets rise only 4 inches because under the 5-inch apogee the track is still on one- inch high trestles? I have never set mine up, but on the ones I've seen at train shows the track doesn't start at ground level (zero). Or maybe it wasn't an authentic Flyer trestle set. Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28568	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: David's "Fixin' Flyer" photo....

What a great photo of David in action in the December 'Dispatch'!! (see "Fixin' Flyer" column). Must be QUITE the photograher to catch an action shot of David like that!! Ok, ok,....I'm just tooting my own horn!! It's MY photo of David!! The checks will be rolling in,....right david?? :^) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28569	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Maximum rise

All my layouts so far has a high rise level. I also make it for when the track crosses over the other track its hight is enough for the Franklin to pass under neath. I start out level and raise the track 5/16" per track. I make my own trestle pieces. This seems to give me 1/3" per foot. That seems to let any train I have with most loads just run right up the track. Feet wise Im not sure but it isnt a whole lot to get it to work. My photos show one of them. It doesnt take alot of room. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Eagle Trains" <eagle_trains@...> To: "Tim" <timboy@...>,<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Maximum rise Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:15:27 -0600 The idea of an independent, elevated loop is a good one. I may just see if that will work into my plans. I've also given some thought to using the Woodland Scenic foam risers that someone else mentioned. I would like to get away from a layout where everything is on a single level. I can draw two dimensional track plans all day, but I have trouble visualizing in 3D. I may just lay the track out on a single level, then experiment in the real world environment on how I can have other levels. Skip Kendel ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; EagleTrains Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Maximum rise There's another approach to supporting elevated track which I like, but is somewhat expensive. I like the look of using all high trestles, one under each tie and at the track joints. Granted, this can't be done where an elevated section of track passes directly over another section of track. However, this approach could be used with Tom's technique of using HO bridges, and, IMHO, it sure would look cool! The problem is scraping up enough high trestle sections. I always keep my eyes peeled at train shows. This past fall, at York, I scored a dozen high trestle sections for $25! Skip, maybe you could have a separate loop of elevated track, on high trestles, not connected to the rest of your "switch heaven" layout. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28570	From: keefer1	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: trestles

Tim , I haven't tried that, but what I did to help my floor layout,is cut pieces of quarter in. plywood to match the track on the elevated sections of track. I used cool temp,hot glue sticks to attach the trestles to the plywood.Next year a little fancier look, but the operating improvement was huge. I used Tom's #5 plan,it's great, the longest single run of track I have ever had, and since it parallels itself in so many places , I only needed 3 short feeders. Keith --- Tim <Timboy@...> wrote: __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28571	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: David's "Fixin' Flyer" photo....

Of course, after mine comes in! S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28572	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: SHS catalog....

Anyone else receive their copy of the new catalog with pages upside down?? Still,....a great catalog!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28573	From: AF336	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Christmas layout now magnetic Reese's

Thanks again to everyone for the kind comments. I have gotten the payload onboard the rolling stock. Are Reese's magnetic? http://2003.mwkiner.com/ Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28574	From: J Carnes	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Christmas layout photos

I have posted a few pictures of my Christmas layout. http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=330&groupID=18618&folderview=&ck= <http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=330&groupID=18618&folderview=&ck=> Best wishes and a happy holiday to all. Jim Boynton Beach, FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28575	From: AF336	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas layout photos

Very Nice! So what is the story on the "Happy Hanukkah" PA? Did you paint it yourself? What technique was used to do the lettering? Too bad about the Lionel store :-) -----Original Message----- From: J Carnes [mailto:jtctrain@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:08 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas layout photos I have posted a few pictures of my Christmas layout. http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=330&groupID=18618&folderview= &ck= <http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=330&groupID=18618&folderview =&ck=> Best wishes and a happy holiday to all. Jim Boynton Beach, FL S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28576	From: roy inman	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Holiday layouts

Many thanks to those who posted photos of their holiday layouts. Fun to look at, and a source of ideas and inspiration for this year and Christmases yet to come. Cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28577	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Re: Holiday layouts

Roy beat me to it when he said the following--- "Many thanks to those who posted photos of their holiday layouts. Fun to look at, and a source of ideas and inspiration for this year and Christmases yet to come." Happy Holidays to all!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28578	From: William Lange	Date: 12/23/2003
Subject: Christmas Layout - 2003

Thanks to all for the kind words and encoragement! Trains are running, streetlights are being wired and the skirts are in the wash! There's a lot of touching up to do, but we'll be ready for Santa. And snow is in the forecast, at least over Dicken's Village! http://s-scale.org/albums/albun32 Merry Christmas! Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28579	From: Tim	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: SHS catalog....

That baby will be worth big bucks someday as a "rare" misprint! :) Happy holidays to all! Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Evans To: STrains Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SHS catalog.... Anyone else receive their copy of the new catalog with pages upside down?? Still,....a great catalog!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28580	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: SHS catalog....

Isn't it always about money?! Put it on Ebay in 20 years! JUST KIDDING! As trains are not always about money. I hope all have a great holiday! Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS catalog.... > That baby will be worth big bucks someday as a "rare" misprint! :) > > Happy holidays to all! > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Evans > To: STrains > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:16 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] SHS catalog.... > > > Anyone else receive their copy of the new catalog with pages upside down?? > Still,....a great catalog!! > > Rick. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28581	From: Neimanis,V. [NCR]	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Which is better the MTH or AF re-issue

Message: 8 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:38:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jim G <gunslinger92557@...> Subject: Which is better the MTH or Lionel/AF re-issue of Gabe the Lamplighter and Coal Loader? Pros and cons of both and which is the most accurate reproduction? >When I asked "the list" this question when I was considering Gabe from both manufacturers, I got an 50/50 response as to who liked what. >My main factors for decision was that AF was cheaper and had the multi-button controller just like the original. I doubt if one can go wrong with either. V. Neimanis Ottawa, Canada

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28582	From: keefer1	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: transformers,give away,not blatant for sale ad

I have two #2, two # 1 1/2 ,one small lionel transformers.The #2's ned cords. If you want them for the cost of shipping contact me OFF LIST. Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28583	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: $$$$$..Isnt it always about the $$$$$$$ "YES" ..UNFORTUNATLY

Isn't it always about money?! Put it on Ebay in 20 years! JUST KIDDING! As trains are not always about money. I hope all have a great holiday! Mike Marmer YES MIKE IT IS....Too Bad isnt it ... Thats why the New Clasified Page on this site is not being used yet to the fullest ...BECAUSE...the attitude of today is ..$$$.I WOULD RATHER GET MORE ON EBAY .$$$...than to sell it to fellow members that might want to haggle me down or would expect it for less....Our hobby is sinking Fast...Unless you have DEEP Pockets ..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28584	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: $$$$$..Isnt it always about the $$$$$$$ "YES" ..UNFORTUNATLY

***((((BECAUSE...the attitude of today is ..$$$.I WOULD RATHER GET MORE ON EBAY .$$$...than to sell it to fellow members that might want to haggle me down or would expect it for less....)))*** I would LOVE to sell something to list members,...or eBay, and make some money... But,...I have nothing to sell at this point!!! (American Flyer wise anyway!) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28585	From: waldootten	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: $$$$$..Isnt it always about the $$$$$$$ "YES" ..UNFORTUNATLY

> Isn't it always about money?! > Put it on Ebay in 20 years! > JUST KIDDING! As trains are not always about money. > I hope all have a great holiday! > Mike Marmer > > YES MIKE IT IS....Too Bad isnt it ... > Thats why the New Clasified Page on this site is not being used yet > to the fullest ...BECAUSE...the attitude of today is ..$$$.I WOULD > RATHER GET MORE ON EBAY .$$$...than to sell it to fellow members > that might want to haggle me down or would expect it for less....Our > hobby is sinking Fast...Unless you have DEEP Pockets .. ______________________________________________________________ Nice Christmas spirit here... I write this not to offend anyone, but to express my personal opinion in rebuttal to the above missive. I realized Mike was joking. He said as much, and didn't deserve that kind of negative response, as we all should be treating each other with respect here. Especially at Christmas. First, selling trains on eBay ALWAYS for higher prices is a total myth propagated by the uninformed who choose not to use eBay either to buy or sell. No one has to bid one cent more than they are willing to pay or think the item is worth. In fact, no one is being forced to use eBay at all. Period. It is an individual's choice in a free market society in a free country. Just like WalMart. All we hear is complaints about how Sam Walton has "ruined" small town America. Yet, the only reason WalMart has become the nation's No. 1 retailer is because the prices are low and the majority choose to shop there. Even many of the complainers. WalMart has caused (forced) an evolution in the way people shop, and nothing will ever put things back the way they were. Personally, I spend a lot of time checking prices on eBay. On occasion, I've gotten things a lot cheaper on eBay than at train club shows. And found things I've never seen at club shows. Case in point: Midwest TCA meet last Sunday. LTI Flyonel MOPAC passenger set NIB (sealed) with two NIB of the extra passenger cars on a member's table for $1200. I got the same NIB set and two cars on eBay PLUS the dining car and PB-1 w/RailSounds for $750. How much would you expect my fellow club member to come down from that $1200? Half price? No way. And there is no guarantee anyone will offer stuff in the classifieds here at a bargain rate, either. Pieces are worth no more and no less than what someone is willing to give you for it. Price guides are just that, guides. I do not begrudge any collector from getting fair market value for any piece he/she wishes to sell. If someone fails to meet your price, don't sell it. If you choose to dabble on-line, don't bid more for an item on eBay than you think it is worth or you are willing to pay. And whether we like it or not, our hobby has evolved, thanks to the Internet. eBay has played a major part in determining market value for trains and accessories in this cyber- era we now live in. The Internet has also given me access to S-gauge product sellers that are too small to have their items sold in hobby shops -- most don't bother to stock any S at all. If anything, eBay has been a boon to longtime collectors who can now get top dollar for their rarer pieces. If you don't care about the money, why sell it? I just got back into the hobby two years ago and have paid a lot more to add things to my collection than any longtime collectors paid for the same things years ago. And I don't have a problem with that, either. It's a matter of choice. I have a passion for the hobby and want to participate. If anything, eBay has made toy trains available to the masses -- and I think it has helped grow "S". eBay is a viable source for the many people who don't live near any train shows or shops that sell S. (I live in Chicagoland -- a major town -- and other than Des Plaines Hobbies we have very few places to get S gauge trains without placing a special order.) But I do not agree with the opinion that our hobby is sinking fast. I see encouraging signs of a growing S presence everywhere I look -- thanks to the growing number of pieces offered by Lionel, Don Thompson (SHS) and Ron Bahista (AM), to name a few. And the NASG continues to work dilligently to help S grow in scope and awareness every day. I guess some longtime collectors have forgotten the 1970s and 1980s, where virtually no new S stuff was being made except for a few patronizing sets from Lionel. And a word of thanks and a tip of the engineer's cap to Paul Yorke, too, for spending so much personal time and resources to make this board available to us for FREE! Thanks, Paul, for all you do -- this board has been such a good resource and I've met so many wonderful people here, I'd be willing to pay to help offset any costs. How many S collectors are there right now? If we all took the time and effort to bring in just one new collector, we'd double the number overnight! Instead of spending time complaining and bemoaning "the good old days", lets all pitch in and do whatever we can to grow the hobby as it has evolved today. One person's opinion. Merry Christmas, all! Now get those trains under the tree cranked up! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28586	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Gathering at The Station

Alot is going on today getting last minute packages and relatives at our western boom town. Soon we will have the saloon. Wohoo. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album24/traintown Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28587	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: HO. HO. HO. (washingtonpost.com)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26550-2003Dec24.html The above was in the Washington Post today about Northlandz in NJ. Enjoy and have a great holiday, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28588	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Racing Champions Route 66 1/64th scale auto's

Bill Fraley says that he HAS found the '50 Chev tow truck at Kmart. Obie Bell says that he HAS found the '53 Ford tow truck. They're out there! The tow rack is a somewhat modern style, so it would also be reasonable to transplant it to a newer pickup truck. ted ===== Ted Larson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28589	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2112

In a message dated 12/23/03 11:57:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > Subject: Re: Holiday layouts > > I would like to repeat this kudo and wish everyone that does a Merry Christmas and all of the rest a happy Holiday Season Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28590	From: robert allen conner	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

To all the Great Gals and Guys out there.....I want to wish all of you A Very Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year.....I hope all your wishes and dreams are fulfilled in 2004...... I especially want to Thank Barb, who drove 7 hours one way to represent all of you during my loss of my wife...... All of your thoughs and prayers have helped, but I still have a long way to go......a verry long way!!! Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28591	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Season Greetings

To all the members on this list, I wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a special thanks for the help you have provided through out the year. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28592	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas

Sending a holiday greeting to you all feels like I am wishing Merry Christmas to my extended family. My train layout would not be where it is without your knowledge and desire to help. Thank you for giving so much of your time and talents to me this year. When I am having a showing in my train room, you are all there enjoying it with me. Thank you Paul for making this venue available to us all. Best wishes for a wonderful holiday and a 2004 that is filled with many happy hours of 'training'. Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28593	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas

I wish all of you a Merry Christmas, and/or a happy whatever other holiday you may care to have at this time of year. The mail todat brought me som reading, the new "s gaugain", and my own copy of the "special" SHS catalog. It's the type with pages 1 to 7 , and turn it over for 8 to 47, then back for 48 to 54. (So, there was more than one put together this way) (Shucks, there goes the collectors value) I hope everyone is having a great time. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28594	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas

Open this link for an eChristmas card: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/xmasplow.jpg Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28595	From: roy inman	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Holiday cheers

With much appreciation for all the good advise, great links and intriguing discussions, I want to wish all you fellow S guys and gals the very happiest of holidays. -Hug your friends -Tell people you love that you do -Run more trains -Eat dessert first Cheers :>>> Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28596	From: dwightlehnhoff	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Happy Holidays

The best to you all from Knoxville, Tn. Santa is bringing AF stuff so it will be a great day. Dwight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28597	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: best holiday wishes

I would like to send best wishes for the holidays to all my friends on the list. It sure is fun. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28598	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays

A VERY best to you all.....from the great "Shakin' state of Calif."!!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28599	From: fkopetz2000	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Happy Holidays...

Hi, all...happy holidays to everyone on the List. I am enjoying a nice Christmas gift from my wife...a Gilbert Champion 800 All-Aboard set she purchased for me on eBay that just arrived on Monday and got put up tonight after I took down the inner loop of a "Brand L" O gauge layout in the living room which is now an O/S layout. Interesting experience...racing a 21107 Atlantic side-by-side with a Wabash 2240 Postwar Celebration F-3...it seems the Atlantic has more "pickup" than the F-3. When the New Year comes around, I will, naturally, have to buy some new Flyonel or SHS cars to lengthen this classic Gilbert freight train a little. Happy Holidays! F.P. Kopetz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28600	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

I know we're not supposed to do a "me too!" posting here, but Barb's message said it all so well. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays everyone. S' Linda & David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28601	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Re: Racing Champions Route 66 1/64th scale auto's

We checked the Chico and Redding stores, nada, they've never seen them yet either! Not even the '35 one. RATS! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28602	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas

Want to wish all on the list the best during the Holidays. Enjoy all that new "S" stuff. Jim Hannawald [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28603	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas/Seasons Greetings

Safe driving and all the best in the coming New Year! Keep those trains running on time! Al Kielek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28604	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Holiday greetings

Merry Christmas and/or any other holiday you may be celebrating from Steve and Sam at SnS Trains, Boise. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28605	From: William Lange	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas!

A very Merry Christmas to all! I know I'll be enjoying mine much more because of the support on this list! Happy Holidays, Bill Lange [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28606	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/24/2003
Subject: Seasons Greetings

Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays.. The Best of the Season to One and All....Please Make it a Fire Safe Holiday FYRRFYTR Edward G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28607	From: AF336	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Final drive gear for magnetic crane

The pinion gear that meshes with the final gear on the capstan on my magnetic crane has a few teeth missing. This makes for jerky preparation and I am afraid it will chip of tooth off the mating gear eventually. I didn't actually count the teeth, but it is in the 10t range. The question is does anyone make repair parts for this unit? I looked on Portlines web site and didn't see it. This compound reduction unit it riveted together and I will probably need the rivets too. If nobody has any ideas I guess I will go looking at McMaster and try to find a match. Thanks in advance, Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28608	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: Christmas Layout - 2003

Great looking layout! Thanx for sharing the pix with us.....Al Kielek ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Lange" <blange3@...> To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Christmas Layout - 2003 > Thanks to all for the kind words and encoragement! > > Trains are running, streetlights are being wired and the skirts are in > the wash! There's a lot of touching up to do, but we'll be ready for > Santa. And snow is in the forecast, at least over Dicken's Village! > > http://s-scale.org/albums/albun32 > > Merry Christmas! > > Bill Lange > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28609	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Happy Holidays

Hi Everyone, Here is my on line Holiday greetings for this year. Enjoy! http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/Xmas_2003.jpg Happy Holidays from Bill & Donna

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28610	From: Leonard D Salins	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: Final drive gear for magnetic crane

Dear Mark, Good day! Here is a photo of a replacement magnet: http://home.earthlink.net/~jktan/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/583Magnet.jpg We appreciate your continued support - if you have an opportunity please visit us at: http://www.GilbertGuru.com Leonard D Salins 4 Gate Post Court Potomac, MD 20854-1735 BluePrince@... http://stores.ebay.com/id=27597730&ssPageName=L2 ----- Original Message ----- From: AF336 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 3:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Final drive gear for magnetic crane The pinion gear that meshes with the final gear on the capstan on my magnetic crane has a few teeth missing. This makes for jerky preparation and I am afraid it will chip of tooth off the mating gear eventually. I didn't actually count the teeth, but it is in the 10t range. The question is does anyone make repair parts for this unit? I looked on Portlines web site and didn't see it. This compound reduction unit it riveted together and I will probably need the rivets too. If nobody has any ideas I guess I will go looking at McMaster and try to find a match. Thanks in advance, Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28611	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Remember when?

Most of us probably grew up going to the hobby shops or department stores and seeing the great American Flyer displays made by A.C. Gilbert Company. I recall going to Lincoln, Nebraska, for Christmas shopping with my family in the 1950s. We would always park near "Gold's" department store, which had a huge A.F. display each season. Wow, was that exciting to see all the neat trains and accessories. I could hardly wait to mark up my copy of the catalog to let my mother know what I wanted for Christmas. What an exciting era it was to grow up during this time period in history. Enjoy the holidays! Mike Leahy (Boulde

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28612	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Happy Holidays

Hi Folks I hope you all are enjoying the holidays and all those new trains are running under the Christmas trees. Merry Christmas to all and your families, wishing peace in the world for everyone. John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28613	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Happy Holidays Everyone!

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. In addition, please also accept our best wishes for a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2004, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make this country great (not to imply that this country is necessarily greater than any other country or area of choice), and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual orientation of the wishers. This wish is limited to the customary and usual good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first. "Holiday" is not intended to, nor shall it be considered, limited to the usual Judeo-Christian celebrations or observances, or to such activities of any organized or ad hoc religious community, group, individual or belief (or lack thereof). Note: By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher at any time, for any reason or for no reason at all. This greeting is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. This greeting implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for the wisher her/himself or others, or responsibility for the consequences which may arise from the implementation or non-implementation of it. This greeting is void where prohibited by law. Of course I hope everyone has a Safe and Precious Christmas. Chris and Beth Burger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28614	From: TCS	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

Hello All, I would like to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. Now for the new decal sets. 794 Rock Island M of W trucks, 70's 795 FGLK PS 50' boxcar, 6-02 796 EEC PS 50' boxcar, 3-03 797 AGR PS 50' boxcar, 2-02 Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28615	From: TCS	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: url's for new decal sets

http://mopac1.tripod.com/794.gif http://mopac1.tripod.com/795.gif http://mopac1.tripod.com/796.gif http://mopac1.tripod.com/797.gif Tom Stolte www.oddballsdecals.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28616	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: HAY >>>>XMAS CHAT >>WHY NOT

OK>>> So now that You or We have dug ourselves out from under all that Wrapping Paper ...and Stood the Tree back up ..Fought with uncle George ...Filled our Glasses Numerous Times ...Eaten ourselves to a point our Bag Hurts ...and Still Feel liek We want More "Please Sir">> Drag up a Chair ....and lets keep the Chat Room Open ALL DAY ...Comon ..Sign In for a Few Minutes ..Come in and Tell a Few Lies about All that new Train Stuff Ya got For Christmas ....I'll be Waiting .....LOLOL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28617	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Christmas Chat....

I'm in the room....10:59 Calif. time. Come join Ed and I. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28618	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: OSH CALENDAR

Just a reminder, tomorrow the OSH train Calendars come out. They are free, at your OSH store. Pick up a couple & send one to a friend. Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28619	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR

***(((Just a reminder, tomorrow the OSH train Calendars come out. They are free, at your OSH store. Pick up a couple & send one to a friend. Mike)))**** Yep! I'm headin' there in the a.m.! Not sure about last year,..or past years.....but the year before last , it required a purchase to get the free calendar. I've gotten most of them as gifts! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28620	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR

As far as a purchase I usually get Light bulbs or something I will need sometime. Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28621	From: roy inman	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR

on 12/25/03 6:00 PM, Rick Evans at bassflyer@... wrote: Sorry, but I am out of the loop. What is an OSH calendar? Roy Inman > ***(((Just a reminder, tomorrow the OSH train Calendars come out. They are > free, at > your OSH store. Pick up a couple & send one to a friend. Mike)))**** > > Yep! I'm headin' there in the a.m.! Not sure about last year,..or past > years.....but the year before last , it required a purchase to get the free > calendar. I've gotten most of them as gifts! > > Rick. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28622	From: roy inman	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: SHS track

Hello and holiday greetings to all :) I know this subject has come up before, but when it has I did not need the information. But now I do. To wit: I am having problems with a loop and switched loop of SHS track. The turnouts are manual, and to the best of my ability I joined the track together as per the instructions. I am running high-rail SHS wheel sets on SHS rolling stock, and trying to run a lash up of two SHS SW-9's (SF). I get intermittent starts and stops. It helps to make one engine a pusher, one a puller. But still, the problem persists. Track is mounted on foam. I have installed half a dozen or so track loops of various scales in the same manner with no problems. I do seem to remember some discussion of problems with the SHS turnouts, which apparently have been reworked in the version just reaching our shores. Any suggestions or comments? What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance for any advice. And cheers :) Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28623	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR

***(((What is an OSH calendar?)))*** OSH is...."Orchard Supply Hardware"....they might be just a Calif. chain. Here's a link--- Train calendars with paintings by Larry Fisher,....REALLY nice!! http://www.osh.com/Web/promotions.asp?File=Promos&id=25256 Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28624	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2003
Subject: Re: OSH CALENDAR

Looking at the store locator it seems that they are only in Calif. Mike Michael Strickland 6834 Quinton Ln Tujunga, Ca 91042 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28625	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /583Magnet.jpg Uploaded by : gilbertguru <blueprince@...> Description : 583reproMagnet You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/583Magnet.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, gilbertguru <blueprince@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28626	From: jayhoo64	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: "Reliable" spelled S-H-S

Sheesh. It's December 25th, and the trains have begun running here only this afternoon! It's been a strange year. After having to move in June, Diana going though two surgeries, and other misc. events since the summer, we were looking forward to setting up the Christmas layout promptly after Thanksgiving and having traffic on line within a week. Didn't happen. We finally got the layout set up a couple weeks ago, but post-op doctor visits, shopping, etc. threw several wrenches into the schedule. I was hoping to get Di's favorite steam loco (AF 322 Hudson) serviced in time to fill the livingroom with smoke for the family Christmas get-together today, but we're still not "moved in" enough to get any work done on any RR stuff. Since all of our train equipment has been packed and idle since early 2003, we knew our AF locos would need service, and there hasn't been time or space for it. What to do? I dug out my SHS SW1 which hasn't been run since...oh, February. No servicing, not even a drop of oil. Just plopped it on the track behind an AF track cleaning car and opened the 15B throttle. The SW1 eased ahead with barely a sound. No gear noises, no hesitation, no protest or problem of any kind. Smooth, reliable service, and nothing else. I enjoy the nostalgia of servicing AF engines, and the happy sounds and smells they emit. But it sure is nice to have the option, in a pinch, of simply railing up a loco on short notice and having it run flawlessly even after being idle for a long time. It's so nice when things WORK! Many thanx SHS. Chuck F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28627	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Psssssttttt.........................

Hay ....ONLY 365 SHOPPING DAYS TILL XMAS.....LOL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28628	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Lanes Trains is open for business!

Happy Holidays Everyone, On January 1, 2004 Lanes Trains will be open for Custom painting, brass repair, and DCC and sound installation full time after a 7-year hiatus. I am quitting my current job of 3 1/2 months as being by far the worst experience of my working career. I left my previous position of 6 years only to find something much worse! Oh well..... I will continue Lanes Trains full time until suitable full time employment can be found. Here are a few more photos of some O scale cars I painted 7 years ago. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/billlane/O_Scale_Cars.jpg PRR equipment is MUCH preferred. Please reply to billlane@... with what you would like to have done. I have already accepted a few jobs, but need a backlog of work. This time it is to pay the rent, car payments etc. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28629	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Re: Final drive gear for magnetic crane

<<<The pinion gear that meshes with the final gear on the capstan on my magnetic crane has a few teeth missing. This makes for jerky preparation and I am afraid it will chip of tooth off the mating gear eventually. I didn't actually count the teeth, but it is in the 10t range. The question is does anyone make repair parts for this unit? I looked on Portlines web site and didn't see it. This compound reduction unit it riveted together and I will probably need the rivets too. >>> Interesting post,because just this week, I talked with a machinist about making me this gear! (IF we're thinking of the same gear.) 95 times out of a hundred, when the EM Crane fails to work properly, it is because the small pinion gear which is centered inside a large steel-plate gear has been strippped or chewed up. I get many requests for that central pinion gear, so I am anticipating having it available before too long. I do NOT plan to make the flat steel gear.....that is rarely damaged.....just the pinion gear in its center. Stay tuned....... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28630	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: More pictures! More Fun!

I got some pictures from Steve and Tim showing some of their bridge ideas. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun73 I also posted some of Jim's foam layout pictures. http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun69 If you have some pictures that you want to share, lets talk. I can set you up with an album, or post the pictures for you. Thanks to all that share your pictures with the rest of us. It's great way of enjoying the hobby. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28631	From: AF336	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Re: Final drive gear for magnetic crane

It is hard to tell with the damage to my gear, but it appears to be an 8 tooth 48 diametral pitch. The pressure angle looks very small so I am going to guess it is a 14.5 deg. A picture of the gear I need is here: The toothpick is pointing to the gear. http://2003.mwkiner.com/magpiniona.JPG Mark -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peck [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: AF336@... Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Final drive gear for magnetic crane <<<The pinion gear that meshes with the final gear on the capstan on my magnetic crane has a few teeth missing. This makes for jerky preparation and I am afraid it will chip of tooth off the mating gear eventually. I didn't actually count the teeth, but it is in the 10t range. The question is does anyone make repair parts for this unit? I looked on Portlines web site and didn't see it. This compound reduction unit it riveted together and I will probably need the rivets too. >>> Interesting post,because just this week, I talked with a machinist about making me this gear! (IF we're thinking of the same gear.) 95 times out of a hundred, when the EM Crane fails to work properly, it is because the small pinion gear which is centered inside a large steel-plate gear has been strippped or chewed up. I get many requests for that central pinion gear, so I am anticipating having it available before too long. I do NOT plan to make the flat steel gear.....that is rarely damaged.....just the pinion gear in its center. Stay tuned....... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28632	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Long Trains

Hi Group, Has anyone used a mid train helper, or a rear of train pusher to make a long train move better? Will that work with normal control, or would it need some sort of digital control (TMCC, DCC, or such) to get it to work? What do people here think? jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28633	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Re: Long Trains-How Long ?

How long a train are you talking about? I used to have trouble having locos powerful enough to pull my long (6 ? or more passenger cars, or 20 ? or more freight cars) AF trains because there was so much drag with the wheels. But with the new trucks and smooth running wheels from AM or SHS even my small Flyer locos can pull most of my trains. And by running DC my AM (or SHS) multi-units diesels will pull almost anything. And the smoothness of starting and stopping these multiunit trains make operation so much easier. No derailiments due to jerky starts or stops. But if I did use a mid-train or end of train pusher, it would be with the new lococs from AM or SHS and not the Flyer locos. Earl Henry, Jr. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28634	From: AF336	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Better pictures of Crane Gear.

Doug, and whomever, here is the link: http://crane.mwkiner.com/ Mark -----Original Message----- From: AF336 [mailto:AF336@...] Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 1:30 PM To: Doug@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Final drive gear for magnetic crane It is hard to tell with the damage to my gear, but it appears to be an 8 tooth 48 diametral pitch. The pressure angle looks very small so I am going to guess it is a 14.5 deg. A picture of the gear I need is here: The toothpick is pointing to the gear. http://2003.mwkiner.com/magpiniona.JPG Mark -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peck [mailto:doug@...] Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: AF336@... Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Final drive gear for magnetic crane <<<The pinion gear that meshes with the final gear on the capstan on my magnetic crane has a few teeth missing. This makes for jerky preparation and I am afraid it will chip of tooth off the mating gear eventually. I didn't actually count the teeth, but it is in the 10t range. The question is does anyone make repair parts for this unit? I looked on Portlines web site and didn't see it. This compound reduction unit it riveted together and I will probably need the rivets too. >>> Interesting post,because just this week, I talked with a machinist about making me this gear! (IF we're thinking of the same gear.) 95 times out of a hundred, when the EM Crane fails to work properly, it is because the small pinion gear which is centered inside a large steel-plate gear has been strippped or chewed up. I get many requests for that central pinion gear, so I am anticipating having it available before too long. I do NOT plan to make the flat steel gear.....that is rarely damaged.....just the pinion gear in its center. Stay tuned....... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28635	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Season Greetings

Sorry I did not get this out to each of you earlier, but this has been a very busy and exciting holiday season thus far. In fact, except for the year when my newborn son came home from the hospital in a stocking on Christmas eve, it has been one of the most memorable. You see, on Christmas eve, my first grandchild, a boy, was born to my daughter and her husband. Little Cody Jordan and I have been able to spend a good deal of time together these last 3 days and I am looking forward to his first real Christmas next year, which I am sure will have a train of some sort involved in it. A Happy and Prosperous New Year to everyone filled with the many new and exciting S gauge trains that are coming our way. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,300 part lines American Models ## S-Helper Service ## Gilbert Rerpoductions Featuring Parts by Toy Trains International joestrainrepair@... Master Card/Visa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28636	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Merry Christmas to all!

I wish you a merry Christmas, I wish you a merry Christmas, I wish you a merry Christmas, And a happy new year!! Thorin (Okay. I'm a day late. I didn't have access to the internet yesterday.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28637	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 28, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28638	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: OSH Calendars offer

Anyone that would be willing to trade a calendar for a catalog, please contact me. I have a 1956 catalog that you can see an example of it at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3161249666&category=480&r d=1 I will mail it to you if you will mail me at least one calendar, two if you feel the catalog is worth it!@ Thanks, gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28639	From: butchclimax	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Diesels

Hi Group, I am not familiar with diesels in general. Can anyone tell me- are the early 370 etc. using the link bars able to be converted to knuckles? Thanks, Butch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28640	From: keefer1	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Re: Diesels

Go to www.portlines.com Doug has some repair tips, one of them is converting a 370 to link. He may have all the parts you need too! Keith T. Kuzma --- butchclimax <sager@...> wrote: > Hi Group, > > I am not familiar with diesels in general. > > Can anyone tell me- are the early 370 etc. using the > link bars able > to be converted to knuckles? > Thanks, > Butch > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28641	From: Tim	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Mid-train pusher

Jfred, I have successfully used a couple 370's, modified with knuckle couplers to haul about 20 freight cars. I put one up front and one in the middle. They worked very well. The only caveat is if you are using independent transformers to power multiple blocks, make sure you have the throttles adjusted as closely as possible so both locos are running at the same rpms when in different blocks. Also, put the lighter cars in the rear, so the back loco is pushing against cars with some weight. I don't see why any of the 37X series locos wouldn't work equally as well, paired correctly. The key is selecting a couple locos that run as identically as possible. I suppose Alco locos could work that way as well, if they were evenly matched. Give it a try if you have the right locos and let us know how it works for you! Hope this helps, Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28642	From: Tim	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: Re: Diesels

Yes. I have done it. I obtained the parts from Portlines Hobby. Let Doug know if the fence (not sure if that is the right name for the part in question) is peened or screwed in place. Hope this helps, Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: butchclimax To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Diesels Hi Group, I am not familiar with diesels in general. Can anyone tell me- are the early 370 etc. using the link bars able to be converted to knuckles? Thanks, Butch S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28643	From: roy inman	Date: 12/26/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Long Trains

J Fred, I am running two SHS SW-9's (ATSF), one at front, one at rear, with a mixed train bunch of cars, all SHS and AM. Seems to work fine. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:40:17 -0800 (PST) > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Long Trains > > Hi Group, > > Has anyone used a mid train helper, or a rear of train pusher to make a long > train move better? > Will that work with normal control, or would it need some sort of digital > control (TMCC, DCC, or such) to get it to work? > What do people here think? > > jfred >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28644	From: Larry Huff	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Northeast Ohio Engine Repair

I have two engines that need repair. I prefer finding someone in northeast Ohio (I live in near Akron). Please contact me at my personal email at: <lrhuff@...>. Thanks! Larry Huff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28645	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: Diesels

Butch; You might want to consider what I do. I take a link Gondola car and put a knuckle on one end. That way I can keep my engines the way they came and I can run either type cars on it. Link or couple. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "butchclimax" <sager@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Diesels Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 02:34:56 -0000 Hi Group, I am not familiar with diesels in general. Can anyone tell me- are the early 370 etc. using the link bars able to be converted to knuckles? Thanks, Butch S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy � and get some great new recipes � at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28646	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: OSH Calendar

I would consider trading a Globe Motors 2004 calendar, which has outstanding airplane photography, for an OSH RR Calendar. Interested parties contact me by email. Mike Leahy (Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28647	From: Carl	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: Mid-train pusher

Good reply, Tim. I'm a new member to this list, but if I remember correctly, we locked the e-units in forward on those tandem consists. I'd hate to think what would happen if the lead loco went into neutral, especially on an elevated section of track. Keep 'em Flying!Carl Miller--- On Fri 12/26, Tim < Timboy@... > wrote:From: Tim [mailto: Timboy@...]To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comDate: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:39:21 -0500Subject: [S-Trains] Mid-train pusherJfred,I have successfully used a couple 370's, modified with knuckle couplers to haul about 20 freight cars. I put one up front and one in the middle. They worked very well. The only caveat is if you are using independent transformers to power multiple blocks, make sure you have the throttles adjusted as closely as possible so both locos are running at the same rpms when in different blocks. Also, put the lighter cars in the rear, so the back loco is pushing against cars with some weight. I don't see why any of the 37X series locos wouldn't work equally as well, paired correctly. The key is selecting a couple locos that run as identically as possible. I suppose Alco locos could work that way as well, if they were evenly matched. Give it a try if you have the right locos and let us know how it works for you!Hope this helps,Tim Brown[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.comAll the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups LinksTo visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.comYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28648	From: bullwinkl.geo	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: How do you rewind an armature and field?

I have an af gp-7 type engine and I need to rewind the armature and field I'm looking for the basics of how this is done. I'm also looking for some parts for an alco series with twin motors if anyone has any. thanks stever

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28649	From: keefer1	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: EBAY

Ebay had a free listing day yesterday, and a lot of flyer was listed.Keith T.Kuzma __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28650	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Keeping Kadees Coupled ?

I have been reading the messages on how to uncouple the magnetic couplers. I am at the stage of wanting to know how to keep them coupled. I have a mixture of AM and SHS freight cars and all AM passenger cars. The knuckle couplers work so well, coupling easily and seldom uncoupling, unlike my experiences with old AF cars. I would prefer to convert most of these cars to Kadee 802 couplers because they look so much better. This is especially true with the diesels and some of the passenger cars because the space between cars with knuckle couplers looks funny. But the cars I have converted uncouple frequently while in operation. Its a real nuisance. I have seen and admired some of the large modular layouts with long trains of nearly all Kadee couplers, and it is obvious that the owners of those cars have solved the problems with Kadees coming uncoupled too easily. I am trying to plan my exhibit for Kudzu 2004 and think the Kadees would be looked upon much more favorably by possible S converts than the knuckle couplers. Any feedback on how to be successful with the Kadee couplers would be appreciated. Earl Henry, Jr. Nashville, TN seldom uncoupling except for a mail pickup car. With the exception of the mail pickup car, I would like to [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28651	From: Richard Purnell	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Wiring Seaboard Coaler

Need Help. I have an American Flyer Seaboard Coaler I purchased quite a while ago and am now in the process of trying to hook up. My problem is I have a coaler with rainbow wire attached and I purchased a control button for seaboard coaler with no wires attached. I have looked in the two repair manuals I have but they do not show which wire goes where on the control button. I would appreciate any help on which color wire goes where and where the wires from the transformer are attached. Thanks in advance Dick Purnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28652	From: Best of Show Model Builders	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale Modeling] Keeping Kadees Coupled ?

Earl Henry, Jr. > Nashville, TN wrote: > I would prefer to convert most of these cars to Kadee 802 couplers because > they look so much better. But the cars I have converted uncouple frequently while in operation. > Its a real nuisance. Any feedback on how to be successful with the Kadee couplers would be > appreciated. EARL: Sounds to me as if you have one or both of the following problems: rough, uneven track or couplers not a correct and consistent height. No one but you can assess the first. To be certain about the second, go to www.nasg.org and order/buy an NASG coupler height gauge. While you're at it, you might as well buy an NASG track standards gauge too. This, at the very least, will check your wheel spacing and track spacing. The track gauge suggestion assumes you're using scale track/wheelsets. Gerry Evans In Flagstaff > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Scale-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28653	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Larry Fisher~~artist for the OSH calendar~~link

Here is a link showing some of Larry's work. http://www.islandnet.com/~pacific/steam3.html Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28654	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: UP's 3985 to attend the Super Bowl

I found the following little tid-bit: UP 3985 to attend the Super bowl. Union Pacific's Challenger 3985 will make a rare wintertime outing in January. 3985 will pull a short train consisting of water cars UPP 809 and UPP 814, express boxcar UPP 9336, tool car Art Lockman UPP 6334, boiler-dorm Howard Fogg UPP 209, concession car Sherman Hill UPP 5818 and coach Sunshine Special UPP 5480. The train will depart Cheyenne, WY for North Platte, NE on Monday, January 12. On Saturday and Sunday, January 16 and 17 the train will be on display at St. Louis, MO from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM each day. On Tuesday, January 20 the train will be on display at Pine Bluff, AR from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM. The train and a number of UP business cars will be open for invited guests in Houston, TX on Super bowl weekend. On Friday, February 5 the train will be on display at North Little Rock, AR from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM. On Monday, February 9 the train will be on display at Kansas City, MO 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM. The train is scheduled to return to Cheyenne, WY on Thursday, February 12. Additional schedule information available at the U.P. Steam website. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28655	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: UP's 3985 to attend the Super Bowl

Kohl Rick, Ill send ya five bucks towards gas if you get some photo's. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] UP's 3985 to attend the Super Bowl Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:50:20 -0800 I found the following little tid-bit: UP 3985 to attend the Super bowl. Union Pacific's Challenger 3985 will make a rare wintertime outing in January. 3985 will pull a short train consisting of water cars UPP 809 and UPP 814, express boxcar UPP 9336, tool car Art Lockman UPP 6334, boiler-dorm Howard Fogg UPP 209, concession car Sherman Hill UPP 5818 and coach Sunshine Special UPP 5480. The train will depart Cheyenne, WY for North Platte, NE on Monday, January 12. On Saturday and Sunday, January 16 and 17 the train will be on display at St. Louis, MO from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM each day. On Tuesday, January 20 the train will be on display at Pine Bluff, AR from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM. The train and a number of UP business cars will be open for invited guests in Houston, TX on Super bowl weekend. On Friday, February 5 the train will be on display at North Little Rock, AR from 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM. On Monday, February 9 the train will be on display at Kansas City, MO 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM. The train is scheduled to return to Cheyenne, WY on Thursday, February 12. Additional schedule information available at the U.P. Steam website. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28656	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Dad's trains

Collectors of toy train generally experience the excitement of toy trains as gifts early in their youth. They shared this excitement with their Dads. This is especially true for those who are at least in their sixties. Trains were popular to emulate as rail transportation was a major form of travel and the shipment of goods in the late eighteen hundreds and the early nineteen hundreds. My first toy train that ran on assembled track was a Marx articulated streamliner. It was the Union Pacific M10000 mechanical set with a dummy headlight, brown tops, and yellow sides. It was a beauty. I am fairly confident it was a 1936 Christmas gift. There were no additional toy trains as I grew up in western Kansas at the time of the dust bowl and the great depression. Little money existed for toy trains especially electric toy trains. Oh, the local banker's son had a toy train layout in his Dad's basement. During World War II, my Dad was too old to carry a rifle. But, he wanted to and felt he had to participate in the war effort. He did this by utilizing his learned skills. Dad's credentials included a good knowledge of farm and construction equipment - combines, bulldozers, graders, etc. At the beginning of the war, Dad helped plan and assembled repair parts kits for construction equipment at the Caterpillar manufacturing plant in Columbus, Ohio. The equipment accompanied the US armed forces that invaded North Africa in 1942. Next, he worked as a parts man for the construction firm that built the landing strips, taxiways, etc. at the Army Air Crop base west of Liberal, Kansas. The base was used to train B-24 Liberator pilots from 1943 to 1945. Lastly, he expedited the first tail assemblies for the B-29 Super Fortresses assembled at the Boeing aircraft plant in Wichita, Kansas. These B-29s played a major roll in the ultimate defeat of the Japanese in 1945. I consider Dad a real patriot. I was and still am proud to have the honor of calling him Dad. Following the war, Dad started and operated a retail business in Meade, Kansas. He sold a wide variety of products - tractors, appliances, hardware, etc. At Christmas time he would sell toys. Beginning in 1946 and for several years he sold A. C. Gilbert products, especially the American Flyer train sets. He would set up a track at the front of the store and demonstrate the trains at every opportunity. I never thought much about his special interest in running the trains for customers. Just prior to Christmas in 1948, He suggested that I might like a train set as a Christmas gift. By now, I was a high school senior, an offensive guard and defensive line backer on a pretty good high school football team. Cars and girls were of considerable interest. Further, I liked to hunt. I could knock down a running jackrabbit with a 410 shot gun. I suggested a Marlin 22 lever action rifle as a gift. I wanted to be able repeat fire to a greater distance. I got the rifle at Christmas time. I made a big mistake and didn't realize the significance of the mistake until later in my adult life. In the early 1960s, Santa Claus left an A. C. Gilbert Casey Jones train set under the Christmas tree for my youngest son. I had good feelings about the gift. At an estate auction in Sherman, Texas, a big box of toy trains was acquired. There were two complete sets of A. C. Gilbert trains in the box. I felt unusually good about this acquisition, too. My boys set up temporary train layouts. Additional toy train items were acquired to make more elaborate layouts. Playing with the trains turned out to be a lot of fun. More important, there was learning. There was planning, organizing and executing. There was bonding. This was good. Collecting of toy trains became a popular hobby, almost an obsession. Now there is a permanent toy train layout in a room lined with shelves loaded with A. C Gilbert train sets, especially sets Dad would have displayed and sold in his store in the late forties. Recently, I began to question my feelings. I have given considerable thought to why electric toy trains have been important to me. I have concluded, this happening, at least in part, is due to the big mistake. Am I trying to rectify making that mistake? I have enjoyed sharing toy trains with my boys and the grandsons. Do I regret not wanting the train and having the opportunity of playing trains with my Dad? Is the train collection really Dad's trains?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28657	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: How do you rewind an armature and field?

You should contact Bob Hannon or get a hold of his book on rewinding AF fields and armatures. I think Bob is a member of this group. I will have to look up his web site if you need it. Harwood Owings [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28658	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: PPssssttttt...........

Only 363 Shopping Days Till Xmas .......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28659	From: Tim	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Slow down those loci!

Hi, Sometimes I like to run my trains slowly. I believe a lot can be learned from running our trains at slow (translate; quasi-prototypical) speeds. To do it, I usually lock out the reverse unit first, or just cut the throttle back on DC wired locos. If the loco stalls out, I suggest the track may be dirty, voltage is not being conducted well, there is an incline we are not aware of or a momentary break in current at a switch frog, crossing, block, track trip, etc. All of the above cases can be corrected. Ever notice how slowly HO and N gauge engineers usually operate their trains? Why can't we do the same in S gauge? There is no reason why we can't. In fact, I think it's a good goal. I have observed that both link and knuckle couplers don't break away as often, probably because there is less vibration. There is also less "pounding" noise, although the noise "problem" can otherwise be corrected with adequate layout construction techniques in the first place. Okay, sometimes it's cool to run them as fast as they can go, after all, they were originally called "American Flyer". I've operated accessories such as the oil drum loader "on the fly". I just wanted to give everyone some motivation to try something different as a learning exercise if you haven't already done so. Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28660	From: Ronald	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: You have me in your grips!!

Greetings to you all! I joined this group a while back because I had a question about a Flyer crossing flasher. I got my answer and since then I've lurked around and read all of the posts and have really enjoyed the group. I have to let you all know that I just purchased my very first S gage piece of rolling stock! It's the K-Line Timken boxcar and I intend to run it with the old Casey Jones set that was my brothers train. I bought the K-line for three reasons, one is the price. My train budget is limited and the price was right. Two is that sizewise it's just like my old Marx trains. Marx was the first train I ever played with and I have quite a few of the old Marx plastic cars. Never cared for the tinplate stuff! Three is that Timken is local and I love getting local rolling stock to run. Any opinions on K-Line's S gage?? Anyone know where I can get a S gage AC&Y boxcar? I'm in the process of designing an O Gage pike and have decided to incorporate a S gage line into it somewhere. I have a 24x32 room to play in. Any suggestions as to how I should do this? Anyone else running both gages on their layout? Any input is appreciated. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28661	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: Slow down those loci!

I agree.....at times I crank up my 282 to really get 'er smoking,....other times I like to slow 'er down and be able to look at the rolling stock I'm running at the time! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28662	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: In your grip

>> Anyone know where I can get a S gage AC&Y boxcar? << I think Hobby Surplus stiil will sell you one http://www.hobbysurplus.com So, check with them. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28663	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/27/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring Seaboard Coaler

Hi Richard! What version of the Seaboard Coaler do you have? Does it have the solenoid in the tower that allows coal to store up in the hopper to be unloaded when you press the 3rd button on the controller?(752A) or not?(752). You will have to make sure you match your coaler with the correct button. Early versions(752), had only a two button controller, while the later version(752A), had the additional third button.......of course, you could use a latter version button with an early version 752 coaler.....Al Kielek P.S Hopefully this has been a bit more clear than mud! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Purnell" <Dmjp@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 12:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wiring Seaboard Coaler > Need Help. I have an American Flyer Seaboard Coaler I purchased quite a > while ago and am now in the process of trying to hook up. My problem is I > have a coaler with rainbow wire attached and I purchased a control button > for seaboard coaler with no wires attached. I have looked in the two repair > manuals I have but they do not show which wire goes where on the control > button. I would appreciate any help on which color wire goes where and > where the wires from the transformer are attached. > > Thanks in advance > > Dick Purnell > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28664	From: Jim G	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: Dad's trains

I think I understand your feelings on the subject. I got started with American Flyer trains the Christmas of '65, I was 5 years old. It was an All Aboard set with a Casey Jones engine. Unfortunately I never got a chance to play with it with my dad, he died that morning. The set was put up and I never saw it again, my step-dad tossed it out at a later date from what I understand but I still own the engine, the gondola and the caboose. When my mom remarried I was fortunate enough to have step-brothers who had American Flyer. They had a fairly large collection that was given to me as a Christmas gift in '68. At a later date my step dad decided to give it back to my step-brothers. A number of years later one of my step brothers helped me get most of it back since he felt it was an unfair thing to do. We are very close and he collects Marx trains. Now I have a boy and girl(8 and 7 yrs old)of my own that I want to introduce to trains. I was going to give the boy a set for Christmas but my fiance thought it might not be a good choice since he was wanting video games and Yu-Gi-Oh cards. I think she was worried that my feelings would be hurt if he did not get real excited about a train set. I grew up in a different era, I am 43 and my fiance is only 27 and so she does not quite understand how I could have such a passion for trains. I figure I will just set something up and see how he responds. He did get pretty excited about the O gauge model trains running at the LA county fairgrounds and the full size engines he got to climb into. So I guess I will just see what happens... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28665	From: jackotrains	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: American Flyer Pony Express Set

Christmas morning I opened my factory sealed Pony Express set that my wife got me for Christmas. I removed the non-powered unit first and noticed a "e" clip stuck to the tape. As I removed the unit, the rear trucks fell out only being held by a wire. I removed the shell and replaced the clip but the truck is very loose, is there a washer the goes on the stud with the "e" clip? When I removed the powered unit, placed it on the track and ran it around the track once crossing over a pair of AF switches and the unit stopped dead. I picked up the unit and the side frame on the front of the engine stayed on the tracks. it seems when it crossed over the switches, the two screws that hold the side frames fell out and were on the road bed, It is a simple fix but why did it happen?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28666	From: jackotrains	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: American Flyer NYC - PA units.

If anyone is interested, Antique Trains in Turnsville, NJ, has these two units (Non & powered units for sale at $269.95) They appear to be new in boxes. No passenger cars. If interested, give them a call or contact me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28667	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: Diesels

<<<<Can anyone tell me- are the early 370 etc. using the link bars able to be converted to knuckles? Thanks, Butch>>>> See our website....one of our AF Repair Clinics deals specifically with this conversion. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Normal Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). Telephone orders also accepted 7-9 PM on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays only. Closed Sundays, Mondays, and Fridays. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-Free; orders only, please) < http://www.portlines.com/> doug@... VISA--MASTERCARD--AMEX--DISCOVER--PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28668	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: Wiring Seaboard Coaler

Dick, Carl Tuveson(Carl's S Gauge Empire)has posted on his web site a scanned copy of The American Flyer Instruction Book. Starting on page 43 is the instruction for wiring the 752A Seaboard Coal Unloader and other useful information. I pasted the link below. Just click on Hints, Tips and Ideas and then scroll down to the American Flyer Instruction Book and click on it. You can print out the pages your interested in for future reference. Lou Baldi http://www.tuveson.com/index.htm --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Purnell <Dmjp@p...> wrote: > Need Help. I have an American Flyer Seaboard Coaler I purchased quite a > while ago and am now in the process of trying to hook up. My problem is I > have a coaler with rainbow wire attached and I purchased a control button > for seaboard coaler with no wires attached. I have looked in the two repair > manuals I have but they do not show which wire goes where on the control > button. I would appreciate any help on which color wire goes where and > where the wires from the transformer are attached. > > Thanks in advance > > Dick Purnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28669	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Pleasant Surprise

Got January/February's S Gaugian magazine in the mail yesterday. Pleasantly surprised by the center page full add for the newest American Models Diesel Engine 'The GE U25B'. Nice selection of road names and reasonably priced. Add states will be shipping in January. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28670	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Keeping Kadees Coupled ?

Dear Earl, Three questions. What radius? Body mounted KDs have a hard time operating on tight radius curves. The longer the car, the more of a problem you will have. On AF or our 20" radius curves, anything longer than a 40' boxcar will have a hard time, esp. on "S" curves. Check the knuckle springs - If these are missing, you will have a problem esp. backing up. Doupler height - This is a must for optimum operation of KD couplers. Good Luck, Don tennsgauge@... wrote: >...I would prefer to convert most of these cars to Kadee 802 couplers because >they look so much better. This is especially true with the diesels and some of >the passenger cars because the space between cars with knuckle couplers looks >funny. But the cars I have converted uncouple frequently while in operation... > > > Earl Henry, Jr. > Nashville, TN > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28671	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Marx Revolving Beacon Tower

At the risk of posting an off-topic question, I have not one but two Marx Revolving Beacon Towers on my small AF layout. Unfortunately neither have the beacon and therefore look rather goofy as is. Does anyone sell original or repro beacons for this tower? Or, as an alternative, have you converted your tower to another use? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28672	From: keefer1	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: Marx Revolving Beacon Tower

Hey ,Doug@... sells them.As a matter of fact, I believe the repros most people are selling are closer in appearance to Marx tnan to original flyer.Keith T. Kuzma --- beechcricker <BeechCrRR@...> wrote: > At the risk of posting an off-topic question, I have > not one but two > Marx Revolving Beacon Towers on my small AF layout. > Unfortunately > neither have the beacon and therefore look rather > goofy as is. Does > anyone sell original or repro beacons for this > tower? Or, as an > alternative, have you converted your tower to > another use? > > Jeff Feldmeier > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28673	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 28, 2003 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) This is our weekly chat session. http://S-Scale.org/forum/ Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. 8 PM EST

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28674	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Hot Wheels

found a Hot Wheels 47 Chevy Fleetline at wally world yesterday.didn't care for the "custom"graphics stamped over the base paint (metallic purple),a few minutes with some WD40 and an OLD(in case my wife reads this)wash cloth and I had a solid colored Chevy.the base color was unharmed.the 20" "dub"wheels were dealt with by painting the chrome outer rim white,now it has whitewalls and chrome wires. ended up making a decent 50's Kustom Kar.it's parked in my kitbashed Walthers HO"Arnold's Drive In"which is a subject for another day. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28675	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: Hot Wheels '47 Chevy

***(((( found a Hot Wheels 47 Chevy Fleetline at wally world yesterday.didn't care for the "custom"graphics stamped over the base paint (metallic purple),a few minutes with some WD40)))**** Yep,....I found one of these '47's last week......I plan to take off the graphics as well,...I've had good luck in the past just using fingernail polish remover. I might even remove the body and do a repaint. That's a good idea painting on the whitewalls,..I was just going to paint all of the wheel some kind of color to try and hide the spoked chrome wheels. I'll paint on some taillights, headlights, etc. Jerry,...did you paint the rear wheels?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28676	From: vickiec40403	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: american flyer 23796 by lionel

Hi, Does anyone know where I can either get gears or a gear box assy for a Lionel repro of 23796 ( 6-49806) sawmill. Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28677	From: jjmemmer@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: 47 Chevy

yep I painted the rear whitewalls,also the headlites,hood ornament,trunk handle and taillights.I should stop seeing double anytime now. :>) Jerry PS anyone have any ideas how to make 1/64 drive in trays? maybe some of the people who put dishes and food in dining cars would have some ideas. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28678	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: You have me in your grips!!

12/28/03 Hi Ron, I have a few of the K Line S gauge cars too, and I do not have any operational issues with them. They are bit "big" for S gauge, but they are just great if you are like me and have a 7 year old that likes to play with your trains. It is inevitable that a "crash" will occur, as well as a random tornado or hurricane on the layout. As you said, "The price is right," especially for such an application. Price withstanding, the graphics are very nice and they roll very nicely on sprung trucks. I save the S Helper and American Models stuff for myself usually. I pucker every time my son wants to "play" with them. I believe that the K Line S gauge stuff uses old Marx tooling so it seems like the K Line cars are a Win-Win situation for you! Funny thing, I inherited my Flyer trains from my brother too. I guess that we are both winners? It sounds like you have a really nice room to build your layout in. I have an S gauge layout and was considering adding, dear I say it, a small O gauge section to accommodate my father's prewar brand "L" O gauge train which I just brought back to life this very evening after it was given up for dead (and believe me it was a basket case) 50 years or so ago. I figured that adding a small O gauge thing might give me a good excuse to buy some O gauge American Flyer. Hey, there you go, If your heart is set on building an O gauge layout, then make it American Flyer O gauge with an American Flyer S gauge loop or two! That would be another Win-Win! Best Regards, Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28679	From: Ron Sullivan	Date: 12/28/2003
Subject: Re: You have me in your grips!!

Hi Curtis, I too have the problem with little ones that like to touch. We do foster care so there is always at least two or three under the age of five. They love to watch the trains run but can't resist touching! My layout will be in a separate building so I won't have that problem too often. K-line does use a lot of the Marx tooling. That's why I have quite a bit of their stuff. I'll probably pick up more of their S gage once I have a loop of track to run it on. The S Helper and American Models stuff looks great. Unfortunatly I still have to pay for the building I put up so it may be a while before I can aford it. I think it's great that you managed to bring your father's set back to life. Hopefully our kids will feel the same way about our trains someday. I wouldn't mind having some Flyer O gage but I don't think I could exclude all of my other trains from the layout! I like all my trains! From the N gage on up. Go ahead and add that O gage loop, you'll be glad you did! Ron castironv8@... wrote: 12/28/03 Hi Ron, I have a few of the K Line S gauge cars too, and I do not have any operational issues with them. They are bit "big" for S gauge, but they are just great if you are like me and have a 7 year old that likes to play with your trains. It is inevitable that a "crash" will occur, as well as a random tornado or hurricane on the layout. As you said, "The price is right," especially for such an application. Price withstanding, the graphics are very nice and they roll very nicely on sprung trucks. I save the S Helper and American Models stuff for myself usually. I pucker every time my son wants to "play" with them. I believe that the K Line S gauge stuff uses old Marx tooling so it seems like the K Line cars are a Win-Win situation for you! Funny thing, I inherited my Flyer trains from my brother too. I guess that we are both winners? It sounds like you have a really nice room to build your layout in. I have an S gauge layout and was considering adding, dear I say it, a small O gauge section to accommodate my father's prewar brand "L" O gauge train which I just brought back to life this very evening after it was given up for dead (and believe me it was a basket case) 50 years or so ago. I figured that adding a small O gauge thing might give me a good excuse to buy some O gauge American Flyer. Hey, there you go, If your heart is set on building an O gauge layout, then make it American Flyer O gauge with an American Flyer S gauge loop or two! That would be another Win-Win! Best Regards, Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Ron "Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28680	From: knockbill	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Marx tower.....

Hi When you order your floodlight top, order the dimple bulb with it..... I have found that some of the cheaper bulbs either don't get hot enough or don't have the dimple centered well enough for the top to rotate Have fun John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28681	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Christmas

Milayman seems to capture the essence of AF with his Christmas story. To one degree or another, it is probably close to all of us and why we are involved with AF trains. Thanx so much. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28682	From: Jim	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: "S" Gauge Meet

Hi! Has anyone found a web site for the Weatern "S" Gauge meet in Seattle in 2004?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28683	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: 2003 AF by Lionel

This being sent to both the S gauge yahoo list and the TCA yahoo list. I recently purchased several AF items by Lionel, two weeks ago on a trip to Strasburg and I would like to write about two of the items. On the S list, there has been lots of writings about Lionel and the poor quality on their production of American Flyer. Since I collect vintage AF and I don't have a layout, yet, I never purchased any Lionel AF in about ten years. I never responded to any of the writings on Lionel made AF, since I haven't purchase anything lately, although, a AF C&O passenger set I got in 1992 from Lionel has problems, as the couplers lose their grip to the other cars and the engine promptly died in 2 hours after running it in 1992 and it was sent back to Bob Board in Lancaster who got it fixed. The couplers, I haven't fooled with since, since I am not running trains, but hope to in the near future. So, anyway, I did purchase five of the new AF by Lionel for the future layout and I have some observations on two cars that was in this purchase. The first is a reproduction of the AF 936/24519 PA Western Electric wire wheel car. The Western Electric wire wheel does not have the metal screw needed to keep the wheel from moving around on the depress part of the flat car, as I am sure that will scratch the paint up in time, as it moves side to side. The screw hole in the car is there for the screw, just like in the original car, but no screw or screw hole in the wire wheel, so that one may get a wood screw to put into the wheel. I sent an email to the S group on any ideas on what to do and no response. I then sent an email to the hobby Shoppe where I got the car and one to Lionel customer service on any ideas on what to do for the wheel and no response. I thought I might try to drill a hole in the wire wheel like the original, but I wasn't sure if this was a great idea, as what damage may be cause to the wheel itself, as it is a great reproduction of the Western Electric wire wheel. So, I took a small square of mole skin, that is used to put on blisters. I cut it small enough to fit on the screw hole below the wheel, as the screw hole is like a pedestal to hold the wheel. I used some gray touch up paint I have for my car. I let it dry. I removed one end of each of the two wire wheel wire ties that holds down the wire wheel and then lifted the wheel up and placed the painted mole skin on the pedestal. I put the wire wheel back on the pedestal, making sure that the wheel was lined up right with the words of "Western Electric" parallel to the body of the car. I put the wire wheel ties back in the holes that hold the wire and re-bent the wire. I did use a needle nose plier and some cloth to rebent the wire to prevent scratching. And now the wire wheel is tight on the body of the car and it is prefect. It wont move around. Also, this car had three wheels on each wheel truck and the middle wheel is like a roller, not a correct wheel at all, but hopefully should be okay. The next car is the reproduction of the Joe and Moe AF 971/25016 operating lumber car. The main concern about this car is, that the metal pickup shoe is a thin piece of copper that is not as strong as the original and may get bent out of shape in time. The metal pick up rail is on the variable electrical source for power, while the original AF operating car and all of the other operating cars, are on the base electrical source for power. Which means you have now two systems for operating these cars on a layout, as you use the other operating cars, like the milk car. Also, instead of eight pieces of lumber, which makes the car full, you get 5 pieces of lumber which makes the car look not full. Yes, there are pieces of this lumber for sale, but that is pretty cheap of Lionel, not have the car with the proper load. The operating button is like an HO track switch button, not like how MTH did a good job of copying the AF button for their reproduction accessories of AF. I have not seen the Lionel button for there AF accessories, but it makes not want to in the future. They do have Joe and Moe facing each other on the car, which is fine, as the original Joe and Moe are facing forward. The other three cars I got are a basic tank, Alaska, hopper, UP and a boxcar, C&O and I haven't taken them out of the box yet, only because I haven't had the time and I am sure they will be fine, as they are just a basic type of car, with nothing special on them like the two cars above. It just saddens me that Lionel made these reproductions of original AF and they didn't do all the proper details to make the cars right. If I had to pay a few dollars more for the cars to be done correctly, due to more of a production cost, that would of been fine. Just like with all the ads I see for MTH and the detail in their O gauge product, I feel the same way now about Lionel, and I am not sure if I ever will buy anymore AF by Lionel. In the future, I will take any Lionel items out of the box first to see how it is constructed before buying their product. I know there is product by S Helper and I as get closer to building that layout, I will probably go with their product, as the quality looks great. I will send a copy of this to Lionel but I don't think they will care, Mike Marmer Germantown, MD 92-35192 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28684	From: Knight, Gene	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 AF by Lionel

I purchased a few of the items myself and have been pleased with them. The only thing that I was disappointed in was the Talking Station. The construction is fine along with the paint job. The thing is.....it really doesn't talk unless you record your own message. I would have thought after paying the amount I did, it would at least have the old recording. I solved that "little" problem by downloading the old station message from Paul's website (thank you Paul) and now it is just like the original. I will continue to buy more L American Flyer for sure and cannot wait until I get the new steam engine. I hope the sound etc is as good as L puts in their stuff. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28685	From: larryasp	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: AF322 Help Needed.

I picked up AF322 the other day, nice clean looking one, it smokes, etc. However it tends to run slow and makes a growling sound as it goes. I took it apart, cleaned it, etc. and put it back together - same thing. Any idea what might be the cause of the problems? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28686	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 AF by Lionel

I forgot to write that the lumber car operates very smoothly and that is really great about the car. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28687	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Re: 2003 AF by Lionel

Hi Gene, Overall, I am pleased with the cars, now that I was able to secure the wire wheel down on the car better and the lumber car works great, but it works "backwards" from the original operating cars. Just some minor points about the cars, as I hope it helps someone who has a wire wheel car from Lionel. I can get more lumber and a repro bottom, as that is not a big problem. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Knight, Gene" <knight@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 2003 AF by Lionel > > > I purchased a few of the items myself and have been pleased with them. The only thing that I was disappointed in was the Talking Station. The construction is fine along with the paint job. The thing is.....it really doesn't talk unless you record your own message. I would have thought after paying the amount I did, it would at least have the old recording. I solved that "little" problem by downloading the old station message from Paul's website (thank you Paul) and now it is just like the original. I will continue to buy more L American Flyer for sure and cannot wait until I get the new steam engine. I hope the sound etc is as good as L puts in their stuff. > > Gene > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28688	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Couplers

Since I did mention the early years of AF by Lionel and how my couplers on my C&O passenger cars let go of each other, is there a fix for them? If this has been covered before, I appreciate the feedback. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28689	From: A.E. Johnson	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Fw: Question About Union Pacific Brand Standards

Reflecting on this, I probably carried it too far. However I was and am still very concerned that those hobbyist/small businessmen that support S gauge/AF by "working two jobs" are not penalized or forced to pass along increased prices in order to justify their continuation as a supplier. Ms. Mainwaring says that small manufacturers are EXEMPT from royalty payments. Perhaps some of you that supply the hobby can comment on that. When UP contacted Tom Stoltze of Oddballs Decals last year, I got the impression that the royalty was significant and that he was having to increase his prices. Certainly he would qualify as a small manufacturer. Perhaps the folks at SHS and AM need to speak up. I am not trying to flame anyone or carry the flag for a crusade. I am merely expressing one person's opinion. EJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <BRENDAMAINWARING@...> To: <bigfoot@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: Fw: Question About Union Pacific Brand Standards > Mr. Johnson, > > As we indicated in our reply, small manufacturers are exempt from royalty > payments and they only need to file an annual statement of sales in order > to maintain that status. We recognize that many of these manufacturers - > particularly in the more uncommon gauges - are frequently hobbyists first > and businesses second. We do not discuss royalty rates in detail because > we want to be able to negotiate rates with manufacturers where appropriate. > I can assure you that the rates are quite low - the example of a $10 item > was intended to provide a reference point. The rates do not increase with > higher-priced items. The royalty rate payment, rather than a flat fee, > ensures that large manufacturers are truly paying their fair share and that > small businesses are not penalized with a payment that represents a much > larger percentage of their income than it does for large manufacturers. > > Thank you, > > Brenda Mainwaring > Director, Corporate Relations > Union Pacific Railroad > > > > "A.E. Johnson" > <bigfoot@cyberbac To: <UPBrand@...>, "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > k.com> cc: > Subject: Re: Question About Union Pacific Brand Standards > 12/19/03 10:09 PM > > > > > > There are somethings that have been overlooked. > > First, please check the wedsites at www.showcase.com and > www.americanmodels.com. Please note the MSRP of these model railcars and > motive power. These clearly are not $10 items. A typical car is $30 to $40. > A typical engine it $200. (Note that K-Line may be cheaper, but still not > in > the $10 range for our scale.) > > Second, these people are very small business people. I bet you don't get > enough from them to justify the effort. > > Third, I did post my concern on YOUR website. I recognize your needs to > protect your name, marks, etc. I don't think any of us are really asking > for > a free lunch. Many of us are retired on a fixed income we want to continue > with the hobby. But it must be at a price we can afford. Sort of like our > prescriptions!! But an annual licensing at a very nominal value would be > much easier to administer and much less painful for the those of us > interested in S Scale model railroading as a hobbie. This scale is the > peanuts crew with many of us reliving our youth with our grandkids. > > Fourth, in terms of administration and compliance, these small businesses > could send you a check each year, one time for something on the order of a > $1. Keep in mind that this still gives you oversight control over how and > when your marks are used. > > Fifth, and this is important, this scale is definitely not where the volume > is and the manufacturers that supply it are not the big guys in it. There > is > no Lifelike, Ahearn or Big R here. > > A. E. Johnson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <UPBrand@...> > To: <bigfoot@...> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: Question About Union Pacific Brand Standards > > > > > > Dear A. E. Johnson, > > > > Thank you for sharing your concerns about Union Pacific's licensing > > program. Union Pacific announced a formal licensing program in 2002. The > > program for the model railroad industry was developed in consultation > with > > the Model Railroad Industry Association. Rates for model railroad > > manufacturers are extremely low and small businesses are generally exempt > > from royalty payments. Media reports and internet chatter have > > inaccurately portrayed the royalty fees. On a $10 model, royalty rates > are > > pennies. You can find additional information about our licensing program > > on our Web site at http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/modelrail.shtml. > > > > > > > > > > bigfoot@cyberback > > .com To: upbrand@... > > cc: > > 12/19/03 04:09 PM Subject: Question About > Union Pacific Brand > > Standards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Name: A. E. > Johnson > > (UP user id ) > > Company: > > Department: > > E-mail Address: bigfoot@... > > Phone Number: () - > > ; > > > > This is NOT a question. It is a comment. The model railroad industry and > > hobby glorifies the railroad industry. Your threats of legal action > against > > these businesses and persons are misdirected. They show your business and > > industry in their best light. > > > > Reconsider your standards for this industry. Perhaps a $1 per year > license > > is reasonable. > > > > This I know, your attack on these businesses and this group of people > makes > > you look like a company of ogars and will cause them to withdraw all > > products with your mark on it. It will promote your competitors. > > > > This message was sent at Friday, 12/19/2003 4:09:10 PM Central > > This message was generated from server: www.uprr.com > > This message was sent from IP address: 216.61.222.49 > > The user's browser is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; > > rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) [NS 5.0 WinNT] > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28690	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Davis Trains

I just wanted to write on what a great buying experience I had with Davis Electronics in Milford, OH, www.davistrains.com, and Ken Garber this month. A friend of mine showed me the MTH coal loader and I was pretty impressed with it, as I don't have the original AF one. He did say they may be hard to find since they have been out for awhile. I called one Shoppe in NYC who has several pages of ads in CTT and they were out of them. I went to the MTH website and they had an area where to check inventory of dealers of each product they sell. That is pretty neat. I promptly sent all 20 or so listed dealers emails about the availability of the product and Davis Electronics 20 minutes later sent me an email that they had one and it was $131.95, as the listed price was $149.95. I emailed him back and purchased it on their website. I wasn't sure if the sale went through, as the last webpage wouldn't confirm the sale and Ken called me on the phone to tell me it did and that sometimes that happens. I then, realized I needed some coal and I email him about it and he called me back on the phone, as those calls were cutting into the profit margin of his sale, and the told me he didn't have the proper coal for it, as I them ordered the coal elsewhere. I then did learn that this was the last one he had, as it was a display unit and that was fine. When the unit arrived, it was missing the coal loader bin and I emailed him about that, as I could understand how that could happen. He called me back on the phone to reassure me that he had it, his mistake, not a problem and he mailed it out in a padded envelope. I was really please with the service that Ken gave me, as I ordered the MTH water towel at $67.95, about $22 less than suggested retail. The products where shipped for 8.50, very reasonable and well packed. Even, though, it was a display unit, Ken assured me that I could return it, if any problems, and the unit was prefect. You could not tell it was on display or abused. I will be buying more things from them in the future. Thanks Ken. I will say that Strasburg Train Shoppe, Scenery Unlimited (Don Heimburger of S Gaugian Magazine) and Catoctin Mountain Trains and Hobby did email me back about the coal loader, as I already purchased the unit from Davis Trains. The others I never heard back at all. That is too bad. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD 92-35192 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28691	From: TCS	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scale

798 MKT auto rack, 3-82 http://mopac1.tripod.com/798.gif 799 MKT auto rack, 7-78 http://mopac1.tripod.com/799.gif 800 RI water tanks, no outline around the herald as specified on digram sheet http://mopac1.tripod.com/800.gif 801 RI emblems for depots, printed in marron & white http://mopac1.tripod.com/801.gif 802 RI heralds, 78 inches across, printed in black & white, 8 to a set. http://mopac1.tripod.com/802.gif 803 RI heralds, 60 inches across, printed in black & white, 20 to a set http://mopac1.tripod.com/803.gif 804 RI heralds, 42 inches across, printed in black & white, 35 to a set http://mopac1.tripod.com/804.gif 805 RI heralds, 30 inches across, printed in black & white, 80 to a set http://mopac1.tripod.com/805.gif Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.50. S & O scale retail price $6.75. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $7.00, plus $2.00 for p&h. Please don't ask me if I make custom decals, as I don't. Try Rail Graphics, their link is on my web page. --- --- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals for prototype models 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - mopac@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.org Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ NMRA Member #121756 Subscribe: MOPAC-subscribe@yahoogroups.com MPHS web site http://mopac.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28692	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: My 290 has kicked the smoking habit...

...and that isn't good. I followed the AF (?) instructions "When Locomotive Fails to Smoke" (reproduced in K-Line's "Complete Service Manual for American Flyer Trains," page 168) with using a pipe cleaner, etc. When I stuck the pipe cleaner into the stack with the power applied and locomotive slightly raised off the track, it began smoking like crazy--right around and/or through the pipe cleaner. But once I put it back on the track and ran it normally, no smoke. I repeated this procedure a few times. I even rode it around the track with the pipe cleaner sticking out of the stack and it smoked a little. Without the pipe cleaner, I can smell the "smoke" but it isn't visible. Ideas anyone? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28693	From: keefer1	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: transformer give away

The transformers have been claimed. Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28694	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Classic Trains

http://www.classictrains.com/ Another item I purchased on my trip to Strasburg and Lancaster, PA two weeks ago was some of the track for S gauge made by Classic Trains. The track looks really great, as I got 6 10" pieces and 12 of the curves. It looks like HO track but better. Rails are weather, ties have a woodgrain look and the track pins, like HO have 3 rivets on each side of them. I believe they are called "fishplates" on a real RR. But unlike HO, you can't tell where the pieces fit together. The power clip is a track pin, with a piece of metal sticking out and a wire attaches to the pin, very discreetly. I received in the mail today, from Hobby Innovations in TN two samples of roadbed at different heights and they look great. Now I need to find a fine chicken grit or some other type of ballast in gray, as medium grit is too big for the track. I did get this track at Bob Board's place in Lancaster, as the website does orders too. I did see a prototype switch and it will look like an HO switch, but it will have a light on it, with 4 way viewing, not two way like with the old AF switches. They also need to make rerailers and bumpers. Switches are due anyday. Now I need to run a train on it to see how that works out. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28695	From: keefer1	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: ebay ebay ebay

super-space-monkey this seller has stumbled across a large supply of NOS parts , check out his stuff.Keith T Kuzma __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28696	From: Mike Vana	Date: 12/29/2003
Subject: Lionel/AF Baldwin Question

Does anyone know when the new Lionel/AF Baldwin switchers are going to arrive? I have a Santa Fe one ordered, but I don't think it will be coming in 2003! Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28697	From: bullwinkl.geo	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Oh the smell of burning...something. Help!

Ok some of you may now recognise me as the new guy thats nose'n around looking for stuff. I have several trains that were locked away for years and am now trying to get them to work. The one in question today is a 497 american flyer. It has power but the motor does not run. If i Let is sit a minute or so, I can smell smoke. The commutator (<- my new word for the day)is black; seems to have some residue on it. I used a tooth pick to turn the armeture and it seems to move freely. One of the wires that coil around the field broke at the end and I sodered it back in place but i'm not sure that I did the best job on that in the world, or if this could cause a problem by being slightly shorter than it used to be, by 1 turn around. The thing seems to want to move, but it does'nt. If I understand what an e-unit is correctly, I think that it may have some issues as well. I belive that an e-unit is the thing that sits on top of the chassie and has 2 metal parts that press up against a cylinder with copper coated on it. Correct me if i'm wrong. Anyway, look forward to reading any responces on this one. btw Still looking for the lower half of a twin motor alco- trucks, motor, etc... thanks steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28698	From: jimcahir	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: New member - old AF train set

Hi to all. I'm a new member, also new to toy trains (so bear with me please). I recently uncrated and began running my father-in-laws AF set (from late 40's - not sure of the year) and have a problem with the knuckle couplers. Some are a little sticky, so they become uncoupled easily. I see a white residue all around the coupler parts - like a dried soap film - and assume that what I see on the outside is also between each knuckle and its mounting bracket (sorry if thats not the right terminology). I tried a few drops of light weight oil, followed by lots of wiping. This helped, but wasn't a 100% fix. Is there anything I can soak this section in that will clean out the pin/bracket/knuckle area without doing any damage? I assume, based on a close look, that this assembly is all "pressed" together, and does not readily come apart. I also assume spreading the ears of the bracket holding the coupling is not a great idea, other than as a last resort. Thanks, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28699	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Oh the smell of burning...something. Help!

12/30/03 Howdy Steve, The smell of something burning is a bad thing! Don't let it sit there like that, or something worse is bound to happen! Anyway, taking one turn out of the field to perform the solder repair won't hurt anything. Assuming that everything else is okay, perhaps you have very worn axle shaft holes in the aluminum chassis that holds the motor assembly and the drive axles. The Flyer Diesel motors were notorious for this. Once they wear, the worm gear on the motor binds with the pinion gear on the axle shafts, and it will slow the engine down until it either burns the motor up or locks it up. I have a 470 that had such a case. The holes were worn egg shape, and it wouldn't move a bit. If I would apply some power to the track and then gently begin to lift the engine off of the tracks, the motors would turn. Picking the engine up relieved the binding tension between the gears, so the motors turned. I replaced both of the chassis and everything is fine! A really big help for me when I got back into this a few years ago is Tom Barker's book on American Flyer repair. I strongly urge you to get a copy as he covers all of the common topics including all the tricks on diesels, etc., I believe that he sells the book on CD now. I think that his web site is below: http://www.rit.edu/~tbbeqa/GAF.html Good luck Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28700	From: beechcricker	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: People for Guilford Animated Station

I understand that the Animated Station has four people. I have two men in black with hat and suitcase and one woman in red dress. Is the fourth supposed to be another woman in red? Jeff Feldmeier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28701	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Coal Loader gift

By the way, the MTH coal loader, I got this month from Davis Trains in Ohio, was a gag Christmas gift that I got for my wife, Linda, since I knew she wasn't getting me one of those, as I convinced her, that they were no longer available, plus I threw in a Water Tower for her on that order. She had no clue what those big boxes were, under the tree, as she thought they were from L.L. Bean, as I have gotten her clothes from there in the past. She had to open those first, before she could open her real Christmas gifts. You should of seen her eyes light up, as soon as she saw just the words on the box "Rail King" and she knew what it was! LOL! How many women on Christmas got a coal loader for Christmas and who were real happy to get one! LOL! She is really into the trains and loves going to York, as you would never catch her on a bus to Reading for shopping at the outlets, unless it had trains or making bracelets with other wife's at a S gauge convention, that we saw pictures of this year in The Dispatch magazine for the S organization. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD 92-35192 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28702	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Moe & Joe Lumber

I recently acquired an "L" Moe & Joe car. Since I wanted people to be able to see them unload the car, I faced the car to the outside of the track. The only way this would work properly was to reverse the metal pick-up trucks on the car. Upon doing this, it worked great. In fact the boards come flying off the car. Moe & Joe do not know their own strength. Need to figure out some way to keep them from throwing the lumber off the lay-out and onto the floor. Any ideas? Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28703	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2119

If you ever chance to be in the Cincinnati area, you should stop in at the Davis Electronics store. Although their coverage of S guage is slight, the store is impressive. ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:52:40 -0500 > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > Subject: Davis Trains > > I just wanted to write on what a great buying experience I had with Davis Electronics in Milford, OH, www.davistrains.com, and Ken Garber this month. . . . >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28704	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Delivering the Mail.

I would be interested in knowing what you folks do with the mail after the AF 718 pick up car takes it. Do you just throw it at the station next time around or aim it at pedestrians? Thanks,John B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28706	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Davis Trains

The store does look very impressive, as they give you a tour of it via their webpage. Interesting bio on the owner and his son, both getting Electrical degrees, as Joe Davis got bored at IBM and opened the store as Davis Electronics, selling non train items in the beginning and the trains took over the store. Victor, if you are from the area, Cincinnati, I did get a 343 engine at a stall in Trader's World, a large flea market and I understand that train stall is no longer there, as someone wrote me on the list about them. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Bereskin" <bereskin@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 2119 > If you ever chance to be in the Cincinnati area, you should stop in at the > Davis Electronics store. Although their coverage of S guage is slight, the > store is impressive. > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Message: 13 > > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:52:40 -0500 > > From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> > > Subject: Davis Trains > > > > I just wanted to write on what a great buying experience I had with Davis > Electronics in Milford, OH, www.davistrains.com, and Ken Garber this month. > . . . > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28707	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Note on OSH calendar

Many, many thanks to Mike Strickland (smoke fluid Mike) for sending me an OSH calendar. The pictures (paintings) are absolutely breathtaking. They cover the gamut from coast to coast. If any of you can talk one of the California boys into sending you one you will be delighted. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28708	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Delivering the Mail.

Wel,l me and my son liked to aim it at the folks sitting on the bench in the park. Thats alot of fun. We also had a delivery platform with a waiting mailman on another end of town. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John Brockmann" <hcopter51@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Delivering the Mail. Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:00:28 -0000 I would be interested in knowing what you folks do with the mail after the AF 718 pick up car takes it. Do you just throw it at the station next time around or aim it at pedestrians? Thanks,John B. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28709	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe Lumber

My thoughts is to put it on the variable side and lower the voltage to it. I have one transformer that is just for that type of use. Like on the saw mill. If you put it on the varable side and have it at half throttle it wont strip that nylon gear. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: ruth.leahy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Moe & Joe Lumber Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:52:50 -0700 I recently acquired an "L" Moe & Joe car. Since I wanted people to be able to see them unload the car, I faced the car to the outside of the track. The only way this would work properly was to reverse the metal pick-up trucks on the car. Upon doing this, it worked great. In fact the boards come flying off the car. Moe & Joe do not know their own strength. Need to figure out some way to keep them from throwing the lumber off the lay-out and onto the floor. Any ideas? Mike S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy � and get some great new recipes � at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28710	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: mail

I've used two stands, pick up from one, then pick up from the second and it tosses out the first bag, etc. Yes, it does sometimes fling it sort of far. jfred I would be interested in knowing what you folks do with the mail after the AF 718 pick up car takes it. Do you just throw it at the station next time around or aim it at pedestrians? Thanks,John B. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28711	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: mail

I put a fresh bad on the post after pickup. Thus it picks up a new one and delivers the old one at the same time. Mine is near the edge of the layout so I installed some fence at the edge to catch the mail. Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "JFrederick Roberts" <jfred436@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] mail > I've used two stands, pick up from one, then pick up from the second and it tosses out the first bag, etc. Yes, it does sometimes fling it sort of far. > > jfred > > > I would be interested in knowing what you folks do with the mail after the AF 718 pick up car takes it. Do you just throw it at the station next time around or aim it at pedestrians? Thanks,John B. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28712	From: keefer1	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: photo album

I loaded my Christmas layout pic's .To view them go here http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun79 Thanks Paul. Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28713	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: AF by Lionel, part two, PSU cars

Well, I finally got to take the other three AF by Lionel cars out of the box that I got in Strasburg and they are beautiful looking cars! But, one of the couplers doesn't work. So I do have a Lionel service center near by and they will take care of the problem. O:)! I am sure they will all run great on the future layout. Now I have to assemble the two horrible Penn State HO rail cars my wife made me get at the Strasburg Train Shoppe! Talk about being in real pain! LOL! Her dad went to PSU and I went to MD and they killed us in football everyear from 1960 till they ended these games when PSU joined the Big Ten. Now it is pay back as MD is going to it's 3rd bowl game in three years and PSU is going no where. Just kidding, the cars are fine and Joepa has done good for the school with the football program and the new library he gave 3 million for. The only football coach to have a library named after him and maybe a covered hopper too! Anyway, for any true Penn State fan, contact Strasburg Train Shoppe, www.etrainshop.com, if you are interested in any of the cars they have left, as they are HO cars issued each year for the school featuring the team. And we did get the last Covered Hopper featuring Paterno in 1998 for winning game 300 on Sept. 12, 1998, as Sept. 12 is my wife's birthday. Hmm, I see a Gabe the Lamplighter for her next! I told my wife I can't wait for the retirement car! LOL! Have a great New Year and Roar Lion Roar! PSU slogan. The Terps will roar on! Mike Marmer Germantown, MD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28714	From: waldootten	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Let's post more of the answers here

One of the reasons many of us check out this board several times a day is to harvest the wealth of information available from longtime collectors and/or repair experts. It seems to me, though, many of the questions being asked here lately by those new to the hobby are being answered off-line through personal emails, because I see "thanks" posts, but none of the replies with possible solutions. IMHO, reading two or three opinionated answers here as followups to those questions would be teriffic. I may have the same questions some day; plus, it makes darned interesting reading. All of us aren't Flyer experts, and with new people coming on board every day, it would be a great resource and help grow the hobby -- which I believe was Paul's original intent in starting this board. My $0.02 And Happy New Year, everyone! Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28715	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of the answers here

--- waldootten <waldootten@...> wrote: <SNIP> > IMHO, reading two or three opinionated answers here > as followups to > those questions would be teriffic. <SNIP> > Phil K > I agree with Phil, I would love to see folks return to the list and not only tell us about the suggestions offered up, but what they did and what worked. I have seen it in the past and it is the best way to go. I don't think we all need to be CC'ed on all the reverser unit suggestions and all the coupler converter solutions, just a digest form of them and what worked for the person who originally posted the question. I guess if someone else knew about a previous post or an FAQ page that had a good write up of the available options that would be worth sharing. Almost all the questions have been asked, so many of us have already seen many solutions. That reminds me, the archive is searchable and there are also several websites like Doug's and Carl's and mine (and others) that have lots of FREE repair tips. Be sure and check them out. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28716	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of the answers here

Part of the problem for me is that the default is to reply to the sender rather than the list. I am a member of 5 different lists on Yahoo for various hobbies. This is the only one that defaults to the sender. Since I reply to message infrequently I quite often forget to change the "address to line". I wish the default were to reply to the list. Mark -----Original Message----- From: waldootten [mailto:waldootten@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Let's post more of the answers here One of the reasons many of us check out this board several times a day is to harvest the wealth of information available from longtime collectors and/or repair experts. It seems to me, though, many of the questions being asked here lately by those new to the hobby are being answered off-line through personal emails, because I see "thanks" posts, but none of the replies with possible solutions. IMHO, reading two or three opinionated answers here as followups to those questions would be teriffic. I may have the same questions some day; plus, it makes darned interesting reading. All of us aren't Flyer experts, and with new people coming on board every day, it would be a great resource and help grow the hobby -- which I believe was Paul's original intent in starting this board. My $0.02 And Happy New Year, everyone! Phil K S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28717	From: John G	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe Lumber

Here are a couple of ideas. 1) You could reduce voltage by putting one or two 1 ohm resistors in series with the wiring going to the unit. Radio Shack has them for a buck or so. Get the ceramic ones rated 5 or 10 watts. 2) You could build a platform to catch the lumber similar to the platform that American Flyer used to catch the milk cans being ejected from the action milk car. My wife and I get a kick out of the overly strong American Flyer action men. In scale terms, the milk cans are tossed out of the action milk car at 60 mph and go a hundred yards before hitting the ground! John Gasal > Need to figure out some way to keep > them from throwing the lumber off the lay-out and onto the floor. Any ideas? > > Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28718	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Let's post more

I thought the idea was, if someone had a train problem, from armatures to ex-wives, we discussed it here. The idea being that several of our Gilbert-fevered brains were better than one. Answering someone directly rather than on the list kind of short circuits that, as they say. When the discussion does get going on the list instead of off it, it is often great fun as well as informative. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28719	From: bullwinkl.geo	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Smoke and "flame" ooops! sorry. Follow up retraction.

Ok. so it was a joke after all. Sorry for the flame. Frankly Iv'e been a little punchy from lack of sleep lately and the email came in the midst of a bunch of solicitation spam. This is a new email address for me and i'm getting a ton of spam, i'm not used to it. Iv'e recived several e-mails coming to the defence of gale, who is apperently well respected amoungst the community. It's good to see the solidarity that exists in this community and as the new kid on the block I hope you understand my total ignorance. Iq check today: 86 hehe. sorry for the flame I'll tread the thin ice for a while and see if I survive. thanks again all, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28720	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Express Mail

John B. wrote: I would be interested in knowing what you folks do with the mail after the AF 718 pick up car takes it. Do you just throw it at the station next time around or aim it at pedestrians? Thanks,John B. >>> John, one of the most popular accessories on our club's layout, Lookout Junction, is the mailbag pickup. We usually enlist a member of the audience at a show to catch the bag as it's ejected. Our pickup stand is located on the upper level of Lookout Junction, about six inches above the lower level. We have two mainlines running below. At one show, however, we lost a bag. We searched everywhere, even on the floor behind the skirting, but the bag was nowhere to be found. It had simply vanished. Finally, I looked at one of the locomotives coming around again on the lower level, and there was the bag, perched on the coupler behind the tender. It had been perfectly caught as the lower train whizzed by. That had to be a three-point shot, I figure. Happy New Year from Idaho, everyone! John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28721	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Express Mail

Wow, all this talk of fun with the mail car means now I'm going to have to dig out the mail cars I have stashed and get them operational! Roger Petrella Franktown, CO --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@c...> wrote: > John B. wrote: > > I would be interested in knowing what you folks do with the mail after > the AF 718 pick up car takes it. Do you just throw it at the station > next time around or aim it at pedestrians? Thanks,John B. > > >>> > > John, one of the most popular accessories on our club's layout, Lookout > Junction, is the mailbag pickup. We usually enlist a member of the > audience at a show to catch the bag as it's ejected. > > Our pickup stand is located on the upper level of Lookout Junction, > about six inches above the lower level. We have two mainlines running > below. At one show, however, we lost a bag. We searched everywhere, even > on the floor behind the skirting, but the bag was nowhere to be found. > It had simply vanished. Finally, I looked at one of the locomotives > coming around again on the lower level, and there was the bag, perched > on the coupler behind the tender. It had been perfectly caught as the > lower train whizzed by. That had to be a three-point shot, I figure. > > Happy New Year from Idaho, everyone! > > John Eichmann, Coordinator > Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers > Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28722	From: John Brockmann	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Express Mail

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Petrella" <rogerpjr@i...> wrote: > Wow, all this talk of fun with the mail car means now I'm going to > have to dig out the mail cars I have stashed and get them operational! > > Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO > Thanks to all for the ideas,both usefull and very funny. Lookout Junction eh? Right on for posting the replys on the list. I bet all would have enjoyed the responses I got. Happy New Year to all,John B. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@c...> > wrote: > > John B. wrote: > > > > I would be interested in knowing what you folks do with the mail > after > > the AF 718 pick up car takes it. Do you just throw it at the station > > next time around or aim it at pedestrians? Thanks,John B. > > > > >>> > > > > John, one of the most popular accessories on our club's layout, > Lookout > > Junction, is the mailbag pickup. We usually enlist a member of the > > audience at a show to catch the bag as it's ejected. > > > > Our pickup stand is located on the upper level of Lookout Junction, > > about six inches above the lower level. We have two mainlines > running > > below. At one show, however, we lost a bag. We searched everywhere, > even > > on the floor behind the skirting, but the bag was nowhere to be > found. > > It had simply vanished. Finally, I looked at one of the locomotives > > coming around again on the lower level, and there was the bag, > perched > > on the coupler behind the tender. It had been perfectly caught as > the > > lower train whizzed by. That had to be a three-point shot, I figure. > > > > Happy New Year from Idaho, everyone! > > > > John Eichmann, Coordinator > > Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers > > Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28723	From: jhannawald@comcast.net	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Express Mail

The mail car was the most popular accessory on my portable layout at both the Denton, MD train show and the Greensboro, MD Library show the kids loved trying to catch the mail bag and loved it when the mail bag went across the street into the firehouse. Even the parents enjoyed it. Wore out two mail bags. The mail car is one enjoyable car. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Petrella" <rogerpjr@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Express Mail > Wow, all this talk of fun with the mail car means now I'm going to > have to dig out the mail cars I have stashed and get them operational! > > Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN EICHMANN" <jeichmann@c...> > wrote: > > John B. wrote: > > > > I would be interested in knowing what you folks do with the mail > after > > the AF 718 pick up car takes it. Do you just throw it at the station > > next time around or aim it at pedestrians? Thanks,John B. > > > > >>> > > > > John, one of the most popular accessories on our club's layout, > Lookout > > Junction, is the mailbag pickup. We usually enlist a member of the > > audience at a show to catch the bag as it's ejected. > > > > Our pickup stand is located on the upper level of Lookout Junction, > > about six inches above the lower level. We have two mainlines > running > > below. At one show, however, we lost a bag. We searched everywhere, > even > > on the floor behind the skirting, but the bag was nowhere to be > found. > > It had simply vanished. Finally, I looked at one of the locomotives > > coming around again on the lower level, and there was the bag, > perched > > on the coupler behind the tender. It had been perfectly caught as > the > > lower train whizzed by. That had to be a three-point shot, I figure. > > > > Happy New Year from Idaho, everyone! > > > > John Eichmann, Coordinator > > Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers > > Boise > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28724	From: keefer1	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: SCALE O EXPERTS

Are there any on the list that also do scale "O"? I'm trying to identify some parts.Contact off list please. Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28725	From: THOMAS E HILLERY	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2120

I HAVE AN AMERICAN MODELS STREAMLINE B&O OBS CAR KIT W/ TRUCKS FOR SALE FOR BEST OFFER . CONTACT ME AT G-WOLFGANG5@... TOM HILLERY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28726	From: Robert M. Johnson, Jr.	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: photo album

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@y...> wrote: > I loaded my Christmas layout pic's .To view them go > here http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun79 > Thanks Paul. Keith Hi, Thanks for the pics. They are beautiful as is the layout: both functional and quite representative of many Gilbert trackside items and rolling stock. How long did it take to set it up? How long do you leave your Christmas layouts up? Happy New Year to all!!! Robert Johnson Hayward, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28727	From: doug	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of.......

<<<I agree with Phil, I would love to see folks return to the list and not only tell us about the suggestions offered up, but what they did and what worked. I have seen it in the past and it is the best way to go. >>> I have to admit that I far more frequently respond directly to the "author", rather than posting back to the list. Why? Because of some of the negative feedback received about being self-serving. That's never my intent, and I guess I just don't want folks.....especially newcomers to the list.....thinking so. Think about the smoke fluid fiasco.........and I wasn't even a PART of that one! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST), Also available for telephone orders or drop-in by appointment: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, 7-9 PM. 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) Website: http://www.portlines.com E-mail: doug@... VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28728	From: ruth.leahy@colorado.edu	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Moe & Joe

Several have suggested that I move the wire from the fixed post to the variable post & adjust the setting so Moe & Joe don't throw the lumber into the next county. Now I can see doing this on the saw mill where there is no track connection and I can use a separate transformer. However, don't I have to stay with the same transformer since it has a track trip connection? The other suggestion was to build a fence like on the milk car platform to help catch the lumber. Any other ideas? Thanks for your patience.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28729	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe

I use a variable resistor (rheostat) between the fixed voltage post and the operating button for the Moe & Joe car. I run the other wire from the button to the track trip. You can adjust Moe & Joe by holding down the button and turning the variable resistor. I use this on most of my accessories including the sawmill, cattle yard, Guilford station, barrel loaders, etc. You can use one fixed voltage post and have a different variable resistor in the control wiring for each accessory. You can get the variable resistors at Radio Shack for about $3 each. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28730	From: C. E. Smith	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: #695 Reverse loop reay

For the AF 695 reverse loop relay I found specs. showing 3 wires for solenoid, 4 wires for 2 on-off circuits, but no schematic for hook up to the loop. RFG lists an M1201 or something like that instruction sheet for a buck, but their minimum S&H is $5. I hate to spend $5 to get a dollar piece of paper. Anyone have one or know of a site? Chuck Smith: NASG, RASG, TCA, TTCS, Chemung Valley Lines "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain.(Also reputed to be by Einstein, Lincoln, etc.) See http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28731	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Let's post more of.......

In a message dated 12/30/2003 6:16:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, doug@... writes: I have to admit that I far more frequently respond directly to the "author", rather than posting back to the list. Why? Because of some of the negative feedback received about being self-serving. That's never my intent, and I guess I just don't want folks.....especially newcomers to the list.....thinking so. Think about the smoke fluid fiasco.........and I wasn't even a PART of that one! Like Doug peck (above) I almost always answer one on one as well. I have no interest in getting into "I know a better way" with anyone. I also kept my opinion on the smoke fluid fiasco to myself as well as many other "opinions." As a person having an "S" business I don't want to mix words with anyone and make it look like I'm promoting myself here. I want to keep that to announcing new products as they come available. However, If the majority of you think I should post my repair info here I will do so. (until someone jumps me about it). Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28732	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Why we find used action cars with pick-up wheels switched to other

If we are going to use another transformer to power the action: 1. Phase the two transformers. 2. Connect the base post of each together. 3. Set up the action car so the pick-up wheels are on the base post rail at the point we want the action. 4. Hook the variable post to the button, and from the button to the pick-up rail. 5. Now you can adjust the power for the action to whatever works the way you like. A good use for the small transformer that may have come with an old starter set. jfred --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28733	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Moe and Joe

Bull, a Radio Shack part number for the rheostat would be really helpful/. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28734	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Why we find used action cars with pick-up wheels switched to ot

Speaking of action cars, while at the TCA museum two weeks ago, I learn that action cars where made to keep kids interested in the cars, which help sell more train products, whether S, HO or O guage and any gauge I missed! Mike Marmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28735	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Why we find used action cars with pick-up wheels switched to ot

I meant to write that the action cars were meant to keep the kids interested in playing with the TRAINS! Silly me. Sorry. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlmarmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; "JFrederick Roberts" <jfred436@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Why we find used action cars with pick-up wheels switched to other side > Speaking of action cars, while at the TCA museum two weeks ago, I learn that > action cars where made to keep kids interested in the cars, which help sell > more train products, whether S, HO or O guage and any gauge I missed! > > Mike Marmer > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28736	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of.......

Hi Steve and Doug, I hope you two would post your comments on repairs and upkeep on trains, as I need to learn more about the subject. And I think, it is fair to say, that many have different ways of doing things and that should be accepted, as many things in life have different ways of doing things. Thanks, Steve, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <boss31@...> To: <doug@...>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Let's post more of....... > In a message dated 12/30/2003 6:16:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, > doug@... writes: > I have to admit that I far more frequently respond directly to the "author", > rather than posting back to the list. Why? Because of some of the negative > feedback received about being self-serving. That's never my intent, and I > guess I just don't want folks.....especially newcomers to the > list.....thinking so. > Think about the smoke fluid fiasco.........and I wasn't even a PART of that > one! > Like Doug peck (above) I almost always answer one on one as well. I have no > interest in getting into "I know a better way" with anyone. I also kept my > opinion on the smoke fluid fiasco to myself as well as many other "opinions." > > As a person having an "S" business I don't want to mix words with anyone and > make it look like I'm promoting myself here. I want to keep that to announcing > new products as they come available. > However, If the majority of you think I should post my repair info here > I will do so. (until someone jumps me about it). > > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28737	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of the answers here

Mark wrote---""""Part of the problem for me is that the default is to reply to the sender rather than the list. I am a member of 5 different lists on Yahoo for various hobbies. This is the only one that defaults to the sender. Since I reply to message infrequently I quite often forget to change the "address to line". I wish the default were to reply to the list."""" Mark,...with Outlook Express,....I hit "reply all" and it will reply to the person AND the list. Of course that person will receive TWO of the same message.....I usually delete the sender's name and type in S-trains. Do you have the option of "reply" and "reply all" ??? But I see your point about some going automatically to the list. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28738	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe

What I do is make my own trip for those cars. Then it can be seperate of the main transformer. I use a older small transformer seperate. Plus i like the looks better. You can camo them better to the layout. Pael and I beleave its Tim or Carls site has a great one they make with old HO tracks. Also I read the post on the reostate idea. Hopefull the radio shack number will be forthcoming. Thats a realy great idea too. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: ruth.leahy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Moe & Joe Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:37:58 -0700 Several have suggested that I move the wire from the fixed post to the variable post & adjust the setting so Moe & Joe don't throw the lumber into the next county. Now I can see doing this on the saw mill where there is no track connection and I can use a separate transformer. However, don't I have to stay with the same transformer since it has a track trip connection? The other suggestion was to build a fence like on the milk car platform to help catch the lumber. Any other ideas? Thanks for your patience. S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access � limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28739	From: bull_gator_1@yahoo.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Moe & Joe - Variable Resistor Spec

The specification for the variable resistors (rheostats) I use for operating accessories is: Resistance: 25 ohms Rated Power: 3 watts Radio Shack Part Number: 271-265B This will allow you to set any speed for the accessory. You can have Moe & Joe gently remove the lumber, have them throw it across the room or anything in between! I really like the way you can set the barrel loader to just barely move back and forth without throwing barrels all over the layout. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28740	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: NEW ADDRESS

Here is my new address for those that order smoke fluid. I've been waiting 5 years to get a house with room to run a train on track a bit longer than 3 feet :) ....Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28741	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: The new CTT

Yeah,..I know, I know,.....a lot of you don't like the Classic Toy Trains magazine,...but I just got the new issue, and I'm working days this week instead of my usual nights, and dinner and the dishes are done,...my favorite local public radio show is coming on at 8pm...and my daughter is back at her mom's..soooo, I'm gonna be flopping down and listen to some great music while thumbing through the new CTT !!! Just doesn't get any better then that!!! Ok,.....maybe with the S Gaugian!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28742	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: The new CTT

The new issue has a big section on AF tank cars. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> To: "STrains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The new CTT > Yeah,..I know, I know,.....a lot of you don't like the Classic Toy Trains magazine,...but I just > got the new issue, and I'm working days this week instead of my usual nights, and dinner and the dishes are done,...my favorite local public radio show is coming on at 8pm...and my daughter is back at her mom's..soooo, I'm gonna be flopping down and listen to some great music while thumbing through the new CTT !!! > > Just doesn't get any better then that!!! Ok,.....maybe with the S Gaugian!! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28743	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Lionel/AF Baldwin Question

Mike, Lionel has revised their shipping dates. The Baldwin is due to ship Feb/04. The B&O Mikado Passenger set is now listed as July/04. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Vana <amflyer@c...> wrote: > Does anyone know when the new Lionel/AF Baldwin switchers are going > to arrive? I have a Santa Fe one ordered, but I don't think it will be coming in 2003! > > Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28744	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: The new CTT

Starting on page 56 is a nice how to do and detailed article on building a catenary system. The system in this article uses Atlas HO code 100 rail and K&S brass round/square stock for the poles. Those who would like to have a catenary system for their GG1 or EP5 to operate under should check this article out. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@c...> wrote: > Yeah,..I know, I know,.....a lot of you don't like the Classic Toy Trains magazine,...but I just > got the new issue, and I'm working days this week instead of my usual nights, and dinner and the dishes are done,...my favorite local public radio show is coming on at 8pm...and my daughter is back at her mom's..soooo, I'm gonna be flopping down and listen to some great music while thumbing through the new CTT !!! > > Just doesn't get any better then that!!! Ok,.....maybe with the S Gaugian!! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28745	From: M.McConnell	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: Let's post more of the answers here

I too miss the posts of our more seasoned list members. I learn a lot from those who freely share their expertise on this board, and in case it hasn't been mentioned lately - Thanks!. My only "request", to those who subscribe to the Digest version of the S-List, is to NOT just choose Reply or Reply All to the Digest e-mail. (For those that don't know, the Digest is an e-mail service that bundles all of the posts for the day then e-mails them to you - usually just before midnight) When you choose the "Reply" or "Reply All" option to post a comment, you quote the entire previous days digest in your post. As you can imagine, it only takes a few of these to make a hard-to-follow, and rather large, e-mail the next day. The process I use is: clip just the post from the digest you're responding too, add your comments, then send the whole mess to: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com - it makes the digest much more enjoyable and easier to search when you're looking for something. Thanks! Michael > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:58:59 -0800 > From: "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> >Subject: Re: Let's post more of the answers here > >Mark wrote---""""Part of the problem for me is that the default is to >reply to the sender >rather than the list. I am a member of 5 different lists on Yahoo for >various hobbies. This is the only one that defaults to the sender. Since I >reply to message infrequently I quite often forget to change the "address to >line". I wish the default were to reply to the list."""" > >Mark,...with Outlook Express,....I hit "reply all" and it will reply to >the person AND the list. >Of course that person will receive TWO of the same message.....I usually >delete the sender's name and type in S-trains. Do you have the option of >"reply" and "reply all" ??? >But I see your point about some going automatically to the list. > >Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28746	From: waldootten	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Pricing discrepancy in TM's AF 2004 guide

On page X of TM Books' American Flyer Price & Rarity Guide 1946-2004 Second edition, the Condition Adjustment Chart says prices listed in the guide for Flyonel are for Like New Boxed. However, on page 73, the start of the Flyonel section, it says prices are based on New condition with box. Bob, which is it or am I reading these wrong? Phil K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28747	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: NEW ADDRESS

***(((Here is my new address for those that order smoke fluid. I've been waiting 5 years to get a house with room to run a train on track a bit longer than 3 feet :) ....Mike)))**** Wow Mike,....you made quite the move!!! Thanks for the new address,...as I plan on placing an order!! :^) Rick "Still in Calif." Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28748	From: Kielek Family	Date: 12/30/2003
Subject: Re: photo album

Great looking D&RGW PA passenger set, Keith! Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "keefer1" <keefer1_us@...> To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] photo album > I loaded my Christmas layout pic's .To view them go > here http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun79 > Thanks Paul. Keith > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 > http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28749	From: bullwinkl.geo	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: No Smoke no flame! The 497 saga continues.

Ok, First , thanks again for all the help, especially gale who helped even when I had my foot in my mouth :) Lotsa good advice, and the smoking problem is almost eleminated, if not completely . The engine is now running, however badly still. I did redo my solder job and scraped the ends of the coil wires, I also re-adjusted the brushes, wich seemed to be a major issue. Problem now is that it is sticking. The armature wants to pull out and there is a clicking noise around the wheels. I'm giving up for the night, as Ive had 3 hours sleep in the past 3 days. Will welcome any comments on this new problem, may just need more fine tuneing, the gears seem to be in good shape, still not sure about the e-unit. Finally, I went to check the dummy unit for this engine to see which was in better shape, and discovered, It wasn't a dummy. It's another 497. Did these come in sets or singley? Btw the other 497 works great and is actually in better over all shape too. For the record: these came from my grandfathers toy store and sat in a box untouched for 30+ years, (except for the couple months they sat in an open field in the dessert of california, where my uncle tossed them as "junk". I inherited them about a year ago and am just now trying to get them going again. Thanks again to clayton, David, Roger, Edward G., Robert, Doug, jay and Gale, for your input on this. You guys really helped me out. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28750	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: CAIG

This pertains to the use of CAIG. I have a large jar of it & was thinking that those that did not get in on the buying of it, I could bottle some in small gram size bottles if some would like it. I think about $6.00 for a small bottle (Shipping included) would be about right. The thing is you do not need a lot & a gram size would do maybe at least 10 engines+. So it would be about $.60 a use. I think you would get more out of it. Let me know what you guys think & I'm not out to make $$ on this just to share. I'll be able to do this around the middle of Jan. after I move, Mike S. ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28751	From: pegb88	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Which Direction?

I have recently unpacked four sets of AF trains from the 50's and put together a small setup. Question though - is it traditional to run the trains clockwise or counterclockwise? Most of the recent web links I've viewed show trains running counterclockwise but the old AF manuals seem to illustrate the direction of travel as clockwise in their wiring diagrams and such. Is it just personal preference? PB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28752	From: uvl97222	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Hello all

My name is Scott ,and I have been collecting flyer for some fourty years now. I also repair them too out of the need to do so. I have American flyer service manuals too that people that had them just put in the trash. Once a train makes it to my train room the room becomes like a black hole the train is not coming out. I will post a photo of my train room later. I also had two boys that loved playing with them. I should say that I collect parts too. I wanted to pass them down to the boys, but I though they would need to be able to repair them so that's why I went for the parts in a big way too. For the repair end of it . I can say there is not a thing that can make me more happy then to here a fifty to sixty year old train start running after working on it,and bring it back to life. Bye Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28753	From: Tim	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?

Hi, It depends on whether you live in the northern or southern hemisphere! :) Tim Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: pegb88 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Which Direction? I have recently unpacked four sets of AF trains from the 50's and put together a small setup. Question though - is it traditional to run the trains clockwise or counterclockwise? Most of the recent web links I've viewed show trains running counterclockwise but the old AF manuals seem to illustrate the direction of travel as clockwise in their wiring diagrams and such. Is it just personal preference? PB S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28754	From: macflyer@fuse.net	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2121

What a nice visit to your living room. However, how do you keep the dog from knocking everything off the trestle? :-) Happy New Year. Mac > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:00:26 -0000 > From: "Robert M. Johnson, Jr." <robt.john@...> > Subject: Re: photo album > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, keefer1 <keefer1_us@y...> wrote: > > I loaded my Christmas layout pic's .To view them go > > here http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun79 > > Thanks Paul. Keith > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28755	From: David A. Highfield	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?

I used to live in a town where parking was permitted on one side of the street for 6 months, and then folks had to park on the other side for six months - all to provide even wear on the street! Has anybody alternated clockwise and counterclockwise with their trains to provide even wear on track and wheels? Just curious. Mine run counterclockwise. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" <Timboy@...> To: "S-List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "pegb88" <seekr2@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Which Direction? > Hi, > > It depends on whether you live in the northern or southern hemisphere! :) > > Tim Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pegb88 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:33 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Which Direction? > > > I have recently unpacked four sets of AF trains from the 50's and put > together a small setup. Question though - is it traditional to run the > trains clockwise or counterclockwise? Most of the recent web links > I've viewed show trains running counterclockwise but the old AF > manuals seem to illustrate the direction of travel as clockwise in > their wiring diagrams and such. Is it just personal preference? > > PB > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28756	From: roy inman	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Which Direction?

Dave, I do run first one direction, then the other. I even run them backwards for a time. A train repair guy whom I trust told me that a once or twice yearly running makes little difference, but extended run times on a layout should be alternated to even out the wear and tear. Cheers :) Roy Inman ---------- > From: "David A. Highfield" <davidh@...> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:54:18 -0500 > To: S-List <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, pegb88 <seekr2@...>, Tim > <Timboy@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Which Direction? > > I used to live in a town where parking was permitted on one side of the > street for 6 months, and then folks had to park on the other side for six > months - all to provide even wear on the street! Has anybody alternated > clockwise and counterclockwise with their trains to provide even wear on > track and wheels? Just curious. > Mine run counterclockwise. > Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28757	From: John A Foley	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: U25B paint schemes

Hi Folks Here is a neat website with U25B paint schemes. http://usloki.tripod.com/GEU25B.htm Just scroll down and click on the engine you like. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28758	From: Carl	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: FW: [S-Trains] Which Direction?

My last layout, some years ago, was point-to-point with an auto-reverse loop at either end, so they ran equal time in both directions! Carl Miller--- On Wed 12/31, roy inman < rinphoto@... > wrote:From: roy inman [mailto: rinphoto@...]To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comDate: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:04:42 -0600Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Which Direction?Dave,I do run first one direction, then the other. I even run them backwards fora time.A train repair guy whom I trust told me that a once or twice yearly runningmakes little difference, but extended run times on a layout should bealternated to even out the wear and tear.Cheers :)Roy Inman----------> From: "David A. Highfield" > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:54:18 -0500> To: S-List , pegb88 , Tim> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Which Direction?> > I used to live in a town where parking was permitted on one side of the> street for 6 months, and then folks had to park on the other side for six> months - all to provide even wear on the street! Has anybody alternated> clockwise and counterclockwise with their trains to provide even wear on> track and wheels? Just curious.> Mine run counterclockwise.> DaveS-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.comAll the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too!To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups LinksTo visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.comYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28759	From: castironv8@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: TCA Museum Visit

12/31/03 I don't know if this was reported by someone earlier, if it was please forgive me, but I returned yesterday evening from my annual holiday trip to the TCA Toy Train Museum in Strasburg PA, and I wanted to share one particular thing that I saw there. It was a good thing in my opinion! The museum actually had the complete "New Product" display case completely populated with S gauge engines and cars by S Helper and American Models! For those of you not familiar with the museum, the New Product display case is in a very prominent display area that everyone passes by. I was really impressed with the S display, especially since the TCA is often accused of being an O gauge or Lionel collectors club these days. I think that this is a good thing as it is giving some good exposure to parents and kids alike who visit the museum, which is open to the general public, and it is a very popular tourist stop in the Lancaster/Strasburg PA area. The kids love it, especially with all of the buttons that they can push on the operating layouts (including one S gauge which appears to have been upgraded recently to S Helper track) It was great to see the display of all of these new items side by side. It definitely fueled a few purchase ideas for me! Keep those repair posts, etc., coming. I too enjoy all of them! Happy New Year All the best Curtis Dorwart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28760	From: mlmarmer	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: TCA Museum Visit

Curtis, I too, was impressed by the display of the S Helper product at the museum, when I was there before Christmas. I hope you got a chance to see the O gauge trains in the middle of the room from Russia. Happy New Year to all, Mike Marmer ----- Original Message ----- From: <castironv8@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] TCA Museum Visit > 12/31/03 > > I don't know if this was reported by someone earlier, if it was please > forgive me, but I returned yesterday evening from my annual holiday trip to the TCA > Toy Train Museum in Strasburg PA, and I wanted to share one particular thing > that I saw there. It was a good thing in my opinion! > > The museum actually had the complete "New Product" display case completely > populated with S gauge engines and cars by S Helper and American Models! For > those of you not familiar with the museum, the New Product display case is in a > very prominent display area that everyone passes by. I was really impressed > with the S display, especially since the TCA is often accused of being an O > gauge or Lionel collectors club these days. > > I think that this is a good thing as it is giving some good exposure to > parents and kids alike who visit the museum, which is open to the general public, > and it is a very popular tourist stop in the Lancaster/Strasburg PA area. The > kids love it, especially with all of the buttons that they can push on the > operating layouts (including one S gauge which appears to have been upgraded > recently to S Helper track) > > It was great to see the display of all of these new items side by side. It > definitely fueled a few purchase ideas for me! > > Keep those repair posts, etc., coming. I too enjoy all of them! > > Happy New Year > All the best > Curtis Dorwart > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28761	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: L's Moe and Joe, replying, and searching

> 2) You could build a platform to catch the lumber similar to the > platform that American Flyer used to catch the milk cans being > ejected from the action milk car. The Lionel car already comes with a platform to catch the lumber. In regards to replying to the list; I know that this is done to avoid the "me too" and "I agree" posts, but it seems like we get these anyway. I for one would be all for switching the default. Any chance we could do a poll and vote? Searching the archives: One thing about searching that is a little confusing is that when a search is done it starts from the most recent messages and searches backwards into earlier messages only so far. To search further back one has to click on "next" from the search results page. Sometimes there are no results returned, and you think that there weren't any hits, but it just means that there weren't any hits in the group that was searched. For whatever reason the searches on this list only search about 400 messages at a time and with 28,000 messages it can take 70 clicks to search the whole archive. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28762	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Photos, Events, and Kindness

First: Happy Holidays, thanks for the gift of giving, as in sharing with others you experience and kindness. To me that is the true meaning of the holidays. 2) Check out the S-Helper Turnouts: http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/album34 Three: You must see Bill McKie's Christmas layout http://66.246.35.207/~pyorke/albums/albun78 Show it to you spouse and friends, it is very good. IV - Visit http://S-Scale.org and check out the anouncements for this years events, please make sure I got the info correct, and if you have additions plesae let me know. I can add links pointing to your web page as needed. ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28763	From: Marty	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Train Pic

This is a picture I took at Disneyland, It is on display at the main street station, I dont know what scale it is but it is pretty big Marty Rajsich Las Vegas Nv. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28764	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?

I remember a couple of years ago Tom Jarcho had some interesting observations he posted here on the mechanical wear running AF steam engines in one direction only. Maybe Tom remembers the message # or maybe he could repost his observations. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pegb88" <seekr2@c...> wrote: > I have recently unpacked four sets of AF trains from the 50's and put > together a small setup. Question though - is it traditional to run the > trains clockwise or counterclockwise? Most of the recent web links > I've viewed show trains running counterclockwise but the old AF > manuals seem to illustrate the direction of travel as clockwise in > their wiring diagrams and such. Is it just personal preference? > > PB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28765	From: Marty	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Pic

This is a picture I took at Disneyland, It is on display at the main street station, I dont know what scale it is but it is pretty big Marty Rajsich Las Vegas Nv. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28766	From: Roger Petrella	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?

Tom's article was pretty good. You definetly need to search the archives for it. Personally, my trains tend to run whichever way the locos get set on the track. Sometimes our Christmas tree layout has two tracks and we run them in opposite directions or the grandkids like to have them both go the same way and "race". The cat doesn't care one way or another, she just attacks it in any direction. My temporary layout in my den has everything on the two loops set up to run clockwise though. My new one I am planning will be able to have most action cars work in either direction but some accessories (like sawmill and log loaders) will be placed so that the train will have to enter a siding or secondary loop from one direction only. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "lou342ac" <lou342ac@c...> wrote: > I remember a couple of years ago Tom Jarcho had some interesting > observations he posted here on the mechanical wear running AF steam > engines in one direction only. Maybe Tom remembers the message # or > maybe he could repost his observations. > Lou Baldi > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pegb88" <seekr2@c...> wrote: > > I have recently unpacked four sets of AF trains from the 50's and > put > > together a small setup. Question though - is it traditional to run > the > > trains clockwise or counterclockwise? Most of the recent web links > > I've viewed show trains running counterclockwise but the old AF > > manuals seem to illustrate the direction of travel as clockwise in > > their wiring diagrams and such. Is it just personal preference? > > > > PB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28767	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Need home town of S-Gauger

Can someone give me the town that Arden Goehring lives in? It is in Sacramento Valley area and was a tour site for S-West IV in Oct 2002. We are including it in Vol. VII of "S-Gauge Model Railroading" and want to give him proper recognition. Thanks Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28768	From: knockbill	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: K5 question....

Hi I have a K5 shell, which I can't identify through the books I have... I remember it being numbered either 312 or 312AC,before the paint was stripped many years ago... The shell doesn't have a smoke tube in it (not SIT), or the boiler mounts for the "L" type cross heads which , I believe started in 1948, I can see that the x head mounts were not ground off, as it is still not painted... Also, it has the bar in the back of the boiler for the short drawbar to be installed, but there is no threaded nut.... I want to make it as original as I can, However, I will have to mount the early "Channel" type x heads, steam chest & linkage.. Does anyone have an original K5 which is configured this way? If so, how is it lettered? Do you think it was made in the transition period between SIT & SIB? Thanks in advance for any info... Happy New Year John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28769	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: May I add my .02 ?

Along the same line of the answer to the list thread. There are many times that I see a question that I too have and rather than ask the same question I look for the "Re: How do I do this" and read that e-mail. By the same token, if I am not interested in the original question it is easy for me to delete it as well. I have learned as much and probably more from the responses to other people's questions than I have to my own. gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28770	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: TCA Museum Visit

Glad you were able to visit Lancaster Co. This time last yr, we were digging out from the Christmas day snow storm. The S-HELPER/AMERICAN MODELS display case is, to the best of my knowledge, enjoying it's last day today. NTTM closes at 5 PM today until the Easter holiday weekend. During that time, the "New Products" display case will be emptied and another brand/gauge will become featured. I'm sure we have mentioned in the past, Don or Mike from S-HELPER are normally our FIRST guest speakers on TCA's York Thursday Celebration at NTTM. You are certainly welcome to hear/see their presentation. I'll remind you closer to York Thur- day. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!!! Jim Lyle, M & E Committee, NTTM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28771	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Need home town of S-Gauger

Steve Arden lives in Lodi CA. Howard > [Original Message] > From: <boss31@...> > To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 12/31/2003 11:18:49 AM > Subject: [S-Scale Modeling] Need home town of S-Gauger > > Can someone give me the town that Arden Goehring lives in? It is in > Sacramento Valley area and was a tour site for S-West IV in Oct 2002. We are including > it in Vol. VII of "S-Gauge Model Railroading" and want to give him proper > recognition. > > Thanks > > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Scale-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28772	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?

Hi, I think it is mostly personal preference. I have 7 trains running simultaneously now - 4 run counter clockwise and 3 run clockwise. That was intentional. What is really cool is when two of my freight trains come around the same corner at the same time on two separates tracks with a third track in between. The two freight trains run in the same direction but the track only parallels at the one corner. They almost seem like they are racing each other. Even better is when the rail between the two freight trains is carrying my Santa Fe Passenger train and it is going through the same curve in the opposite direction. It's exciting. What fun to feel like a kid again. Barb pegb88 wrote: > I have recently unpacked four sets of AF trains from the 50's and put > together a small setup. Question though - is it traditional to run the > trains clockwise or counterclockwise? Most of the recent web links > I've viewed show trains running counterclockwise but the old AF > manuals seem to illustrate the direction of travel as clockwise in > their wiring diagrams and such. Is it just personal preference? > > PB > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28773	From: Irving washington	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: new member

This group was recommended to me by an ebay seller. I normally don't shop there, but I was looking for some junkers to repaint and kit bash.They are getting harder to find under the tables at train shows.I'm not a collector,more of just an operator.Everything I run has the link couplers.If I find any knuckle coupler stuff,I ussually try to trade it for link.I'd rather trade than spend money.I'm going to read the post and archives and explore the photos and Paul's site for awhile,but I wanted to introduce myself. Flyerfunatic (Irv W.) _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work � and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28774	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Looking for Answers (Requested URLS)

S-Trains (Features page) http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/links/features.htm S-Trains FAQ Page http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm S-Trains Wiring Diagrams http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/wire.htm (more added when requested) Carl's Tips page http://www.tuveson.com/ Doug's HOW TO.....REPAIR CLINICS" http://portlines.com/ The S-Trains Yahoo List Archive http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/messages Remember, you can be a member of the list and still have trouble getting into the archive. If you do, send me a note (off list) and I will do what I can to help you get there. If I send one more note today to the list, I'm gonna have to take myself aside and have a long talk about giving others a chance to let themselves be heard. (Just kidding!) ===== Paul Yorke - S-Trains.com Photography - Computers - Trains __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28775	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: WARNING VW CAR AD & E-BAY STUFF

Here is a link to cars that I'm selling just to view them. I'll sell them to members of this list for $6.00 +$2.00 shipping..Mike S. eBay item 3167470234 (Ends Jan-01-04 13:16:34 PST) - AMERICAN FLYER COMP. VW & TRAILER 1/64 SCALE eBay item 3167470458 (Ends Jan-01-04 13:19:29 PST) - AMERICAN FLYER COMP. VW & TRAILER 1/64 SCALE ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28776	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Which Direction?

I would be most interested in Tom's thoughts about this. I always run my trains in the same direction. In fact, mechanical wear from running in one direction never occurred to me. It would be hard for me to change as my freight trains always have to run counter clockwise. It's just not right to run them clockwise. lol :-) Barb lou342ac wrote: > I remember a couple of years ago Tom Jarcho had some interesting > observations he posted here on the mechanical wear running AF steam > engines in one direction only. Maybe Tom remembers the message # or > maybe he could repost his observations. > Lou Baldi > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "pegb88" <seekr2@c...> wrote: > > I have recently unpacked four sets of AF trains from the 50's and > put > > together a small setup. Question though - is it traditional to run > the > > trains clockwise or counterclockwise? Most of the recent web links > > I've viewed show trains running counterclockwise but the old AF > > manuals seem to illustrate the direction of travel as clockwise in > > their wiring diagrams and such. Is it just personal preference? > > > > PB > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28777	From: Carl	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Repairs

After searching the archives on different repair topics, I think that before we begin a repair project, we should reflect a moment on this: What would Jarcho do?Happy New Year!Carl Miller _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28778	From: pegb88	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Introductions in Order

Thank you, all, for the helpful ideas about running trains both this way and that way... I am new to your S-list list and live in Maynard, Massachusetts. I'm hoping to find an S buddy close by who doesn't mind being peppered with a thousand questions since I have no background knowledge to go along with my love of trains. My AF equipment has been in the family for 40 years but I just recently seized control of it all! Someone has to play with the toys!! I'm slowly learning how things work.... Much to my surprise, there was a repair invoice in the box from none other than Doug Peck of Newburyport, dating back to 1990. I hope to get up that way to meet him soon and have another tune-up or two. When y'all are ready to tackle another question, I have a VERY noisy but operable stockyard that is giving me fits - cattle not going up the ramp, LOUD stockyard vibration, and a car that won't respond. Any experts on the AF 771 out there? Peg Brown - post office clerk, historian, golfer, AF fan, etc. etc. __________________________________________________________________ PS Since you started a discussion on the list with your really good question, may I ask what your name is and what state you live in? Are you new to our list? Thanks ...Barb pegb88 wrote: > I have recently unpacked four sets of AF trains from the 50's and put > together a small setup. Question though - is it traditional to run > > the trains clockwise or counterclockwise?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28779	From: Tim	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: New Year's Resolutions

Hi, Maybe this is a great time for ALL of us to make a new year's resolution: May we always strive for the highest of standards in our postings on this most excellent forum in the world's most perfect hobby. Thanks again to Paul and Happy New Year to everyone, without exception! Tim Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28780	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Pricing discrepancy in TM's AF 2004 guide

Dear Phil, and friends: For the purposes of the guide "New" = "Like New". "Like" was inadvertently dropped in the heading on page 73. Please note that "Like New" correctly appears in the heading for the Lionel-produced AF (a.k.a., Flyonel) sets on page 89. The generally accepted TCA and TTOS terminology is used for grading in the guide. There is "Like New" and there is "Mint", but not "New" although some dealers do occasionally use the term. Thanks, Phil, for bringing this to my attention. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/31/03 1:09:59 AM, waldootten@... writes: << On page X of TM Books' American Flyer Price & Rarity Guide 1946-2004 Second edition, the Condition Adjustment Chart says prices listed in the guide for Flyonel are for Like New Boxed. However, on page 73, the start of the Flyonel section, it says prices are based on New condition with box. Bob, which is it or am I reading these wrong? Phil K >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28781	From: Barbara Rudnicki	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: New Year's Resolutions

Well said, Tim. My New Years resolution is to spend at least 20 hours a week 'playing' with my trains. To heck with working for a living!! Happy New Year, everyone. ...Barb Tim wrote: > Hi, > > Maybe this is a great time for ALL of us to make a new year's resolution: May we always strive for the highest of standards in our postings on this most excellent forum in the world's most perfect hobby. Thanks again to Paul and Happy New Year to everyone, without exception! > > Tim Brown > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28782	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Happy new year

Wishing all of you a healthy and prosperous new year. Steve & Sam SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28783	From: waldootten	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Pricing discrepancy in TM's AF 2004 guide

Gosh, Bob, I consider your effort the bible for AF collectors. I refer to it on a daily basis. My new one (2004) is already getting dog-eared. I go to 30 to 40 trains shows/meets a year and constantly monitor eBay -- and your book's price "guidelines" as soooo much closer to reality than those in the Greenberg version. IMHO, Greenberg has unrealistically lower values on average. Yours more closely reflects the actual selling prices I'm seeing people pay. And you provide a "rarity" rating, which is tremendously helpful, and have organized AF pieces into categories, which IMHO is much better than being listed numerically. On the other hand, I hope the seller has consulted the Greenberg guide when pricing his item. ;-) Phil K ___________________________________________________________________ In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@a... wrote: > Dear Phil, and friends: > > For the purposes of the guide "New" = "Like New". "Like" was inadvertently > dropped in the heading on page 73. Please note that "Like New" correctly appears > in the heading for the Lionel-produced AF (a.k.a., Flyonel) sets on page 89. > The generally accepted TCA and TTOS terminology is used for grading in the > guide. There is "Like New" and there is "Mint", but not "New" although some > dealers do occasionally use the term. > > Thanks, Phil, for bringing this to my attention. > > Bob Bubeck > > > In a message dated 12/31/03 1:09:59 AM, waldootten@a... writes: > > << On page X of TM Books' American Flyer Price & Rarity Guide 1946- 2004 > > Second edition, the Condition Adjustment Chart says prices listed in > > the guide for Flyonel are for Like New Boxed. However, on page 73, > > the start of the Flyonel section, it says prices are based on New > > condition with box. > > > Bob, which is it or am I reading these wrong? > > > Phil K >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28784	From: Cbtrainnut1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: New Year greeting

I hope everyone has a Safe, Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous 2004!!!! Peace! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28785	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Need home town of S-Gauger

on 12/31/03 11:18 AM, boss31@... at boss31@... wrote: > Can someone give me the town that Arden Goehring lives in? He lives in Lodi, CA. Lee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28786	From: Flyvw64@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Pricing discrepancy in TM's AF 2004 guide

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 28787	From: larryasp	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

I just converted two of my Flyer 322s to Can Motors, one slow speed, one regular speed. I like the improved performance with the regular speed one, the slow speed arrangment seems a bit too slow for me, but its still cool. However - one problem seems to have cropped up with both conversions - that is the e units "hangs" when reversing and going forward causing unwanted back up or forward motion to the locomotive between cycling. You have to give almost full power before the e unit changes by which time the train has travelled a couple of feet backwards or forwards before it changes. Has anyone else had this problem or found a solution to it? Is this to be expected with AC Can motor conversions?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28788	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Introductions in Order

Dear Peg, Will we see you at the West Springfield Train Show in February? The Bristol Club has a very nice S layout on display. Don Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28789	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Introductions in Order

First off,....WELCOME Peg!!! :^) You will surely get some answers here! For whatever reason,...I'm not sure......I run my train (on a VERY small layout!!) counter clock wise. Under the Christmas tree,..also counter clockwise, with a On30 set going clockwise. When I run two loops of Flyer, one goes clockwise and the other counter clockwise. I did run a train COUNTER clockwise for a while on my little layout, due to the way I placed Ol' Sam the Semaphore!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28790	From: Robert Wight	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

On mine I put a rectifer bridge inside the tender and it works great. I really would be interested in founding all about your solution when you get there. Chris Burger was the one that told me what to do on mine when i did the conversion. Yours in Model Railroading Bob Wight Model Railroading Keeps you Young Catch the Wave http://www.geocities.com/bobgaylord ----Original Message Follows---- From: "larryasp" <larry.asp@...> To: <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>,<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:31:01 -0500 I just converted two of my Flyer 322s to Can Motors, one slow speed, one regular speed. I like the improved performance with the regular speed one, the slow speed arrangment seems a bit too slow for me, but its still cool. However - one problem seems to have cropped up with both conversions - that is the e units "hangs" when reversing and going forward causing unwanted back up or forward motion to the locomotive between cycling. You have to give almost full power before the e unit changes by which time the train has travelled a couple of feet backwards or forwards before it changes. Has anyone else had this problem or found a solution to it? Is this to be expected with AC Can motor conversions? S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger � learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28791	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: LTI ADDRESS

Anyone have the web address for LTI? I'd like to ask them a question, Thank You, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28792	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: "Midnight Run"

Anyone gonna run some trains at midnight???? I know I will be!! TOOT! TOOT! Happy New Year!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28793	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: LTI ADDRESS

Mike: It's www.lionel.com for Lionel L.L.C. BTW, "LTI" ceased to be in 1995. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 12/31/03 9:49:36 PM, anormal1@... writes: << Anyone have the web address for LTI? I'd like to ask them a question, Thank You, Mike>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28794	From: Edward G.	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: ###### HAPPY NEW YEAR 2004 CHAT ###########

Dont know if I will be all alone but why not check the chat room ...I promise not to sing !!!!!!...too loud... Come and sit and yak if'n you have nothing else to do ......eh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28795	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: LTI ADDRESS

Bob, do you know if the red script "AMERICAN FLYER" name is still owned by Lionel? I see it used by others & wondered if it was "Fair Game". Thank you for the web address, Mike ANORMAL1 SMOKE FLUID Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave. Medford, Ore. 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 28796	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2003
Subject: Re: Can Motor Conversion / E Unit Hang Up

In a message dated 12/31/2003 5:33:04 PM Mountain Standard Time, larry.asp@... writes: I just converted two of my Flyer 322s to Can Motors, one slow speed, one regular speed. I like the improved performance with the regular speed one, the slow speed arrangment seems a bit too slow for me, but its still cool. However - one problem seems to have cropped up with both conversions - that is the e units "hangs" when reversing and going forward causing unwanted back up or forward motion to the locomotive between cycling. You have to give almost full power before the e unit changes by which time the train has travelled a couple of feet backwards or forwards before it changes. Has anyone else had this problem or found a solution to it? Is this to be expected with AC Can motor conversions? Sounds like a reverse unit problem, not a can motor problem. Did you put new fingerboards and polish up the drum on it as recommended? The drum type reverse units are one of the weak links in the Flyer system. They need maintenance regularly. They will work tirelessly if you take care of them. If they get gunked up with stuff they will get sluggish and require more voltage to cycle. A great solution to that problem is an electronic e-unit. Have a good New Year. Steve SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]