Messages in S-Trains group. Page 1 of 1.

Group: S-Trains Message: 1 From: Paul Yorke Date: 9/26/1998
Subject: First new message on S-Trains 'onelist'
Group: S-Trains Message: 2 From: Roger Hinds Date: 9/26/1998
Subject: Re: You have been added to S-Trains@onelist.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 3 From: esquivel Date: 9/26/1998
Subject: talking station
Group: S-Trains Message: 4 From: Ken Zieska Date: 9/26/1998
Subject: S Test
Group: S-Trains Message: 5 From: David Dewey Date: 9/26/1998
Subject: List test; track trips
Group: S-Trains Message: 6 From: Alex Binkley Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: military vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 7 From: Paul Yorke Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: New List
Group: S-Trains Message: 8 From: Chuck Smith Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 0
Group: S-Trains Message: 9 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: Re: New Tooling
Group: S-Trains Message: 10 From: kelvin white Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: Replies and M&StL hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 11 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: Re: AF can motor transplants
Group: S-Trains Message: 12 From: Donald E. Munsey, Jr. Date: 9/28/1998
Subject: Re: AF can motor transplants
Group: S-Trains Message: 13 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 9/28/1998
Subject: 302AC on a 303
Group: S-Trains Message: 14 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/28/1998
Subject: Proto: 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 15 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/28/1998
Subject: Modern era
Group: S-Trains Message: 16 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: BAAFC
Group: S-Trains Message: 17 From: Mark Preman Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale-October List
Group: S-Trains Message: 18 From: Bill & Diane Wade Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: Cleaning Out Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 19 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: PROTO:64
Group: S-Trains Message: 20 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: PROTO:64 postscript
Group: S-Trains Message: 21 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: Re: PROTO:64
Group: S-Trains Message: 22 From: Hilary Smith Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: PROTO:64
Group: S-Trains Message: 23 From: Alex Binkley Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: can help
Group: S-Trains Message: 24 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: lack of choo-choo
Group: S-Trains Message: 25 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: S-Trains Proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 26 From: thompson@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: PROTO:64
Group: S-Trains Message: 27 From: David Dewey Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: PROTO:64 postscript
Group: S-Trains Message: 28 From: David Dewey Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: lack of choo-choo
Group: S-Trains Message: 29 From: David Dewey Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: can help
Group: S-Trains Message: 30 From: aleisen@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Dremel Lathe
Group: S-Trains Message: 31 From: kelvin white Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Alligators wanted. Raid the toy box!
Group: S-Trains Message: 32 From: kelvin white Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: 1990s modelling & P64
Group: S-Trains Message: 33 From: Boul, Lawrence Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: Proto64
Group: S-Trains Message: 34 From: Paul Yorke Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 35 From: Bilfrazier@xxx.xxx Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: Atlantic shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 36 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S-Trains Proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 37 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Tie Plates
Group: S-Trains Message: 38 From: Russcalla@aol.com Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2
Group: S-Trains Message: 39 From: Ken Zieska Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 40 From: Mac Date: 10/1/1998
Subject: Re: Cleaning
Group: S-Trains Message: 41 From: Chris Palomarez Date: 10/1/1998
Subject: Proto:64
Group: S-Trains Message: 42 From: Hilary Smith Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Proto 64 & Tie Plates II
Group: S-Trains Message: 43 From: Hilary Smith Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Proto64 & Tieplates I
Group: S-Trains Message: 44 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: [Fwd: Proto 64 info]
Group: S-Trains Message: 45 From: BenTrous@xxx.xxx Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Tie Plates
Group: S-Trains Message: 46 From: thompson@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: For sale or trade
Group: S-Trains Message: 47 From: thompson@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: S Gauge Heavy Equipment ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 48 From: TPLCoMinn@xxx.xxx Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: M&StL Hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 49 From: TPLCoMinn@xxx.xxx Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Proto: 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 50 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: S Gauge Heavy Equipment ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 51 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 52 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Dis & Dat
Group: S-Trains Message: 53 From: Jim Allen Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Rectifier
Group: S-Trains Message: 54 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Proto 64 info
Group: S-Trains Message: 55 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Proto: 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 56 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Re: Proto 64 info
Group: S-Trains Message: 57 From: Bilfrazier@xxx.xxx Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Re: Rectifiers /rectiformers
Group: S-Trains Message: 58 From: Dennis Back Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: 742 reversing handcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 59 From: Chuck Smith Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5
Group: S-Trains Message: 60 From: M. McConnell Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Help finding geneology info
Group: S-Trains Message: 61 From: kelvin white Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: SSMRS - PROTO 64 standards
Group: S-Trains Message: 62 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 63 From: HSage3@xxx.xxx Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6
Group: S-Trains Message: 64 From: Boul, Lawrence Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6
Group: S-Trains Message: 65 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 66 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: More thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 67 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Cars (revised)
Group: S-Trains Message: 68 From: Vic Bereskin Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Re: Reversing Handcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 69 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: PROTO:64 interest
Group: S-Trains Message: 70 From: David Dewey Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Rail Joints
Group: S-Trains Message: 71 From: Hilary Smith Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Re: S Gauge Heavy Equipment ???
Group: S-Trains Message: 72 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Utility Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 73 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Re: More thoughts
Group: S-Trains Message: 74 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Proto:64
Group: S-Trains Message: 75 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: proto64
Group: S-Trains Message: 76 From: kelvin white Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: Proto 64 & slide clinics
Group: S-Trains Message: 77 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: Re: smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains Message: 78 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: Two Items
Group: S-Trains Message: 79 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: Re: Proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 80 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: Ideas
Group: S-Trains Message: 81 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: S Stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 82 From: Steinkirchner, Alan Date: 10/6/1998
Subject: American Models New Haven PAs
Group: S-Trains Message: 83 From: Jerry Riechert Date: 10/6/1998
Subject: Re: Two Items
Group: S-Trains Message: 84 From: kelvin white Date: 10/6/1998
Subject: AM USRA heavy 4-6-2
Group: S-Trains Message: 85 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/6/1998
Subject: Proto64 or not to proto64
Group: S-Trains Message: 86 From: L123 Montgomery Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: Cleaning Old Tarnished AF Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 87 From: John Foley Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: Throttles
Group: S-Trains Message: 88 From: ALLAN V EISENHAUR Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: 332/336 tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 89 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 90 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: Article on PROTO:X Nov MR ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 91 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: Re: Rust
Group: S-Trains Message: 92 From: RWJW3@aol.com Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 10
Group: S-Trains Message: 93 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: WANTED: GMC
Group: S-Trains Message: 94 From: John Foley Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: South Jersay S Gaugers Train Show
Group: S-Trains Message: 95 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: SPAM
Group: S-Trains Message: 96 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: MACK B
Group: S-Trains Message: 97 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: Miller tie strip
Group: S-Trains Message: 98 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: FW: Miller tie strip
Group: S-Trains Message: 99 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Proto relevent website
Group: S-Trains Message: 100 From: skeeze@xx.xxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 101 From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 102 From: Haenn, Joe Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Help at York
Group: S-Trains Message: 103 From: John Foley Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Promotions
Group: S-Trains Message: 104 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Re: SPAM
Group: S-Trains Message: 105 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Track products
Group: S-Trains Message: 106 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: SPAM
Group: S-Trains Message: 107 From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 108 From: Dennis Back Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: smelly smoke
Group: S-Trains Message: 109 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: C-D Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 110 From: Al Castellani Date: 10/10/1998
Subject: Al Castellani/CBT is out of the office.
Group: S-Trains Message: 111 From: Chuck Smith Date: 10/10/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 12
Group: S-Trains Message: 112 From: W. Thomas Boussum Date: 10/10/1998
Subject: Switching couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 113 From: John Foley Date: 10/11/1998
Subject: YORK PA
Group: S-Trains Message: 114 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/12/1998
Subject: Stink'n L-smell
Group: S-Trains Message: 115 From: kelvin white Date: 10/12/1998
Subject: The S Scale Aligator Hunt
Group: S-Trains Message: 116 From: Kempfam@xxx.xxx Date: 10/12/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 14
Group: S-Trains Message: 117 From: Wayne Zebron Date: 10/12/1998
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 118 From: L Montgomery Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: Cleaning Plastic Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 119 From: Jim Grimes Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: York???
Group: S-Trains Message: 120 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: ACCESSORIES & GARGRAVES
Group: S-Trains Message: 121 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: Train
Group: S-Trains Message: 122 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: Picture
Group: S-Trains Message: 123 From: louis glumac Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: value line track
Group: S-Trains Message: 124 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Sharing graphics
Group: S-Trains Message: 125 From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: cleaning cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 126 From: W. Thomas Boussum Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Layout pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 127 From: W. Thomas Boussum Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Cleaning plastic passenger cars.
Group: S-Trains Message: 128 From: TPDavis7@xxx.xxx Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Swap wheel sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 129 From: Roy Plotnick Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Fall S-fest
Group: S-Trains Message: 130 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 16
Group: S-Trains Message: 131 From: David Dewey Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic streamline pass. cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 132 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 15
Group: S-Trains Message: 133 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/15/1998
Subject: How big is that grain bin by the siding, the one with the cone on i
Group: S-Trains Message: 134 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/15/1998
Subject: Re: Cleaning shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 135 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/15/1998
Subject: Re: Polishing shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 136 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/15/1998
Subject: S-Trains getting better
Group: S-Trains Message: 137 From: David Dewey Date: 10/15/1998
Subject: Re: Chrome removal; Was cleaning shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 138 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: Re: Cleaning shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 139 From: L Montgomery Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: Cleaning Wheels on Lighted Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 140 From: David Dewey Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: Re: Cleaning Wheels on Lighted Cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 141 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: Re: Chrome removal; Was cleaning shells
Group: S-Trains Message: 142 From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: PRR steam paint scheme
Group: S-Trains Message: 143 From: John Stephenson Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: Flyer E-Units
Group: S-Trains Message: 144 From: Steve Gruninger Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: Re: chrome removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 145 From: mhrreast@juno.com Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: cleaning track
Group: S-Trains Message: 146 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 19
Group: S-Trains Message: 147 From: Nick and Becky Colleran Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: Sticky reverse (a/ka "E" unit)
Group: S-Trains Message: 148 From: kelvin white Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: Southwind D&RGW 2-8-0s
Group: S-Trains Message: 149 From: kelvin white Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: American Models 4-6-2 driving wheel size
Group: S-Trains Message: 150 From: David Dewey Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: Re: Sticky reverse (a/ka "E" unit)
Group: S-Trains Message: 151 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: E-units & Cleaner
Group: S-Trains Message: 152 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Reverse Units
Group: S-Trains Message: 153 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: American Flyer PA sets
Group: S-Trains Message: 154 From: AFSTrains@xxx.xxx Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 17
Group: S-Trains Message: 155 From: Dennis Back Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Reverse Units/ ANOTHER question
Group: S-Trains Message: 156 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Interesting sights
Group: S-Trains Message: 157 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Re: cleaning track
Group: S-Trains Message: 158 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: CD Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 159 From: NYC17819@xxx.xxx Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Cleaning Northerns
Group: S-Trains Message: 160 From: David Dewey Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Re: cleaning track
Group: S-Trains Message: 161 From: BenTrous@aol.com Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Cleaning Wheels & Replies
Group: S-Trains Message: 162 From: TPLCoMinn@xxx.xxx Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Pacific Driver Sizes for Kelvin
Group: S-Trains Message: 163 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Cleaning wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 164 From: John Foley Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: York PA.
Group: S-Trains Message: 165 From: kelvin white Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 21
Group: S-Trains Message: 166 From: kelvin white Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Alien attack on American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 167 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Re: Alien attack on American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 168 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Re: 2-pos. e-units
Group: S-Trains Message: 169 From: kelvin white Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Re: Alien attack on American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 170 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: FLASH!
Group: S-Trains Message: 171 From: Vic Bereskin Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 21
Group: S-Trains Message: 172 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: American Flyer tips
Group: S-Trains Message: 173 From: RxMan46321@xxx.xxx Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: loose motor mount
Group: S-Trains Message: 174 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: E-Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 175 From: John Foley Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains Message: 176 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: British S
Group: S-Trains Message: 177 From: David Dewey Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: Re: loose motor mount
Group: S-Trains Message: 178 From: Curtis Johnson Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 22
Group: S-Trains Message: 179 From: L Montgomery Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Lighted Caboose Buzzes Constantly
Group: S-Trains Message: 180 From: David Dewey Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: Lighted Caboose Buzzes Constantly
Group: S-Trains Message: 181 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: E-Units
Group: S-Trains Message: 182 From: Cdmodels@aol.com Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: S-Gauge Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 183 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: S-Gauge Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 184 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Grain Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 185 From: PortLines@aol.com Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: -Repair tips
Group: S-Trains Message: 186 From: Richard McClary Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Layout "maintenance"
Group: S-Trains Message: 187 From: Dennis Back Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 188 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: bubbling towers
Group: S-Trains Message: 189 From: David Dewey Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"
Group: S-Trains Message: 190 From: Mark Preman Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Oil Derrick and Checkerboard Water tower For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 191 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: 479 motor loose
Group: S-Trains Message: 192 From: Mellon, Jay E. Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"
Group: S-Trains Message: 193 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"
Group: S-Trains Message: 194 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"
Group: S-Trains Message: 195 From: RxMan46321@xxx.xxx Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Cats
Group: S-Trains Message: 196 From: thompson@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Alan Gibson products
Group: S-Trains Message: 197 From: Keith Thompson Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Need Truck Wheels?
Group: S-Trains Message: 198 From: RBubeck327@aol.com Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"
Group: S-Trains Message: 199 From: Chuck Smith Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 24
Group: S-Trains Message: 200 From: Allen Evans Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: What an E-Unit Is
Group: S-Trains Message: 201 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Pines and Prairies/NASG 1999 Special
Group: S-Trains Message: 202 From: Mac Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 25
Group: S-Trains Message: 203 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: hazard-free degreasing
Group: S-Trains Message: 204 From: RxMan46321@xxx.xxx Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Switch machines
Group: S-Trains Message: 205 From: David Dewey Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Re: hazard-free degreasing
Group: S-Trains Message: 206 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: E-units
Group: S-Trains Message: 207 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Switch Machines
Group: S-Trains Message: 208 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Grease removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 209 From: TPLCoMinn@xxx.xxx Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Alan Gibson
Group: S-Trains Message: 210 From: JOPKE, WALTER Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Lake Special 99 - The 1999 NASG National Convention Webpage
Group: S-Trains Message: 211 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Thursday report
Group: S-Trains Message: 212 From: RxMan46321@aol.com Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 26
Group: S-Trains Message: 213 From: Chuck Smith Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 26
Group: S-Trains Message: 214 From: David L. Cooke Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: SWITCHMACHINES
Group: S-Trains Message: 215 From: Keith Thompson Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: Re: Thursday report
Group: S-Trains Message: 216 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: three axel lust
Group: S-Trains Message: 217 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: AF Roadbed
Group: S-Trains Message: 218 From: mhrreast@juno.com Date: 10/25/1998
Subject: MISC
Group: S-Trains Message: 219 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 10/25/1998
Subject: AF Air Chime Whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 220 From: David Dewey Date: 10/25/1998
Subject: Re: AF Air Chime Whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 221 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: degreasing, air chime, chassis
Group: S-Trains Message: 222 From: JOPKE, WALTER Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: "Mental Health" and Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 223 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Re: "Mental Health" and Model Railroading
Group: S-Trains Message: 224 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Re: Horns and Whistles
Group: S-Trains Message: 225 From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Re: AF Air Chime Whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 226 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Target
Group: S-Trains Message: 227 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Modern S group
Group: S-Trains Message: 228 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Re: Modern S group
Group: S-Trains Message: 229 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Re: Modern S group
Group: S-Trains Message: 230 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Sad note
Group: S-Trains Message: 231 From: Hilary Smith Date: 10/27/1998
Subject: Re: Modern S group
Group: S-Trains Message: 232 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/27/1998
Subject: Modern S group
Group: S-Trains Message: 233 From: esquivel Date: 10/27/1998
Subject: Re: Modern S group
Group: S-Trains Message: 234 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/27/1998
Subject: Modern, proto etc
Group: S-Trains Message: 235 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/27/1998
Subject: Proto 64 - group
Group: S-Trains Message: 236 From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Date: 10/28/1998
Subject: Canadians
Group: S-Trains Message: 237 From: kelvin white Date: 10/28/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 26
Group: S-Trains Message: 238 From: Chris Palomarez Date: 10/28/1998
Subject: Modern and proto interest
Group: S-Trains Message: 239 From: JOPKE, WALTER Date: 10/28/1998
Subject: Power chassis for River Raisin SD7/9 Locomotive
Group: S-Trains Message: 240 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/28/1998
Subject: Busted
Group: S-Trains Message: 241 From: John Foley Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: Proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 242 From: kelvin white Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: Modern Prototype 'S'cale Modellers Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 243 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: Re: Modern Prototype 'S'cale Modellers Group
Group: S-Trains Message: 244 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: New Server location for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 245 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: Re: Airchime vibrators
Group: S-Trains Message: 246 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: proto64
Group: S-Trains Message: 247 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: Grade
Group: S-Trains Message: 248 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: Railsound B-unit chassis match
Group: S-Trains Message: 249 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: choo choo build up
Group: S-Trains Message: 250 From: David Dewey Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: Re: choo choo build up
Group: S-Trains Message: 251 From: Dennis Back Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: 742 Reversing handcar problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 252 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: Friday Report
Group: S-Trains Message: 253 From: alice beachy Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: 471 Shell
Group: S-Trains Message: 254 From: LEAHY RUTH A Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: Choo-Choo Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 255 From: David Dewey Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: Re: Choo-Choo Unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 256 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 257 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: P:64
Group: S-Trains Message: 258 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: Farm Eqpt
Group: S-Trains Message: 259 From: Donald P. Abrams Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: Re: Choo-Choo
Group: S-Trains Message: 260 From: Tom Rolfsmeyer Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: What is a Triple crown TTUX?
Group: S-Trains Message: 261 From: PatnDave Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: MPSM SIG
Group: S-Trains Message: 262 From: David Dewey Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: What is a Triple crown TTUX?
Group: S-Trains Message: 263 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: Smoke units
Group: S-Trains Message: 264 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: Vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 265 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: p64 and modern groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 266 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: '56 Ford Tires
Group: S-Trains Message: 267 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 268 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: More new Stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 269 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 270 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 271 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: '56 Ford Tires
Group: S-Trains Message: 272 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Fifties Ford F-100 Facts
Group: S-Trains Message: 273 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Modern S
Group: S-Trains Message: 274 From: Bill & Diane Wade Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Re: MPSM / P:64 SIGs
Group: S-Trains Message: 275 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: choo-choo build up
Group: S-Trains Message: 276 From: David Dewey Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Re: choo-choo build up
Group: S-Trains Message: 277 From: jbs@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Parts Needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 278 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Re: MPSM / P:64 SIGs
Group: S-Trains Message: 279 From: kelvin white Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: MPSM - Born again.
Group: S-Trains Message: 280 From: Mark Preman Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: November List-American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 281 From: Neimanis,V. [NCR] Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Re: S-Trains - Grades
Group: S-Trains Message: 282 From: L Montgomery Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Is There Any New Loco Suitable for 7 Year Old?
Group: S-Trains Message: 283 From: Bill & Diane Wade Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: New Station Underway!
Group: S-Trains Message: 284 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: P64 site
Group: S-Trains Message: 285 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Practitioner inclusion
Group: S-Trains Message: 286 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Re: P64 site
Group: S-Trains Message: 287 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: funky tender weight
Group: S-Trains Message: 288 From: David Dewey Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Re: funky tender weight
Group: S-Trains Message: 289 From: JoeAWood@xxx.xxx Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 34
Group: S-Trains Message: 290 From: JoeAWood@xxx.xxx Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Re: Grades
Group: S-Trains Message: 291 From: Chuck Smith Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Re: funky tender weight
Group: S-Trains Message: 292 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: odd combos
Group: S-Trains Message: 293 From: Boul, Lawrence Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Chama Models kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 294 From: Rhett T. George Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: SW-9 wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 295 From: thompson@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Re: Proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 296 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Re: Chama Models kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 297 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Re: Proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 298 From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Re: odd combos
Group: S-Trains Message: 299 From: bljohns@xxxxx.xxx Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Flyer Automatic Turnout Control?
Group: S-Trains Message: 300 From: Alan Evans Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Any Proto:64 or SIG people going to S Fest?
Group: S-Trains Message: 301 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Re: Proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 302 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/3/1998
Subject: Re: odd combos
Group: S-Trains Message: 303 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: 1925-27 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 304 From: BenTrous@xxx.xxx Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Re: TTUX
Group: S-Trains Message: 305 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Re: proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 306 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Re: Flyer Automatic Turnout Control?
Group: S-Trains Message: 307 From: David Dewey Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Re: Flyer Automatic Turnout Control?
Group: S-Trains Message: 308 From: Bill & Diane Wade Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 35
Group: S-Trains Message: 309 From: David Dewey Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Re: 1925-27 American Flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 310 From: David Dewey Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 35
Group: S-Trains Message: 311 From: Bill & Diane Wade Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Clearance Sale Items
Group: S-Trains Message: 312 From: Chuck Smith Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Re: Flyer Automatic Turnout Control?
Group: S-Trains Message: 313 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Re: Netless
Group: S-Trains Message: 314 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Loco Variations
Group: S-Trains Message: 315 From: Donald P. Abrams Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 35
Group: S-Trains Message: 316 From: Bilfrazier@aol.com Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: A.C.Gilbert fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 317 From: Brian Johns Date: 11/4/1998
Subject: Flyer Automatic Turnout Control?
Group: S-Trains Message: 318 From: thompson@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 11/5/1998
Subject: PRR P5a in brass
Group: S-Trains Message: 319 From: Boul, Lawrence Date: 11/5/1998
Subject: Re: Ford AA
Group: S-Trains Message: 320 From: kelvin white Date: 11/5/1998
Subject: Proto 64 Column
Group: S-Trains Message: 321 From: David Dewey Date: 11/5/1998
Subject: Re: Ford AA; more trivial info...
Group: S-Trains Message: 322 From: Roger Hinds Date: 11/5/1998
Subject: Auto forum
Group: S-Trains Message: 323 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/5/1998
Subject: Re: Auto forum
Group: S-Trains Message: 324 From: David Dewey Date: 11/5/1998
Subject: Re: Auto forum
Group: S-Trains Message: 325 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 11/5/1998
Subject: David Horn/VA/Best is out of the office.
Group: S-Trains Message: 326 From: Brian Johns Date: 11/5/1998
Subject: Flyer Automatic Turnout Control
Group: S-Trains Message: 327 From: Hilary Smith Date: 11/6/1998
Subject: P64 Column in S Modeling Guide
Group: S-Trains Message: 328 From: nsupbnsf@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 11/5/1998
Subject: Repairs for Smoke in Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 329 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 11/6/1998
Subject: TRAINS vs AUTOS
Group: S-Trains Message: 330 From: David Dewey Date: 11/6/1998
Subject: Re: Repairs for Smoke in Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 331 From: Brian Johns Date: 11/6/1998
Subject: Whoops...
Group: S-Trains Message: 332 From: Bruce Crosby Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: Re: Smoking Tender Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 333 From: mhrreast@juno.com Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: Die-Cast
Group: S-Trains Message: 334 From: PortLines@aol.com Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: Re: Structures, and reefers
Group: S-Trains Message: 335 From: Roger Hinds Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 336 From: Mac Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: AF 50
Group: S-Trains Message: 337 From: David Dewey Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: Re: Structures, and reefers
Group: S-Trains Message: 338 From: W. Thomas Boussum Date: 11/6/1998
Subject: Tender mounted smoke unit repairs.
Group: S-Trains Message: 339 From: David Dewey Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: Re: AF 50
Group: S-Trains Message: 340 From: Roger Hinds Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains Message: 341 From: David Dewey Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: Re: Tender mounted smoke unit repairs.
Group: S-Trains Message: 342 From: Chuck Smith Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: Re: AF 50
Group: S-Trains Message: 343 From: RBubeck327@aol.com Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: Re: Tender mounted smoke unit repairs.
Group: S-Trains Message: 344 From: alice beachy Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: S gauge for children
Group: S-Trains Message: 345 From: mhrreast@juno.com Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: Die Cast Trees
Group: S-Trains Message: 346 From: Boss31@aol.com Date: 11/7/1998
Subject: Re: Alan Udys SIT bellows leak
Group: S-Trains Message: 347 From: Craig S. O'Connell Date: 11/8/1998
Subject: Re: Smoking Tender Repair
Group: S-Trains Message: 348 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 11/8/1998
Subject: Re: Trees
Group: S-Trains Message: 349 From: mary jo shutt Date: 11/8/1998
Subject: 30b transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 350 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 11/8/1998
Subject: Re: SIT units
Group: S-Trains Message: 351 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/8/1998
Subject: S for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 352 From: Jeffrey Tangeman Date: 11/8/1998
Subject: Re: S gauge for children
Group: S-Trains Message: 353 From: Ken Zieska Date: 11/8/1998
Subject: weekend report
Group: S-Trains Message: 354 From: Donald P. Abrams Date: 11/8/1998
Subject: Smoke in Tender
Group: S-Trains Message: 355 From: Hilary Smith Date: 11/8/1998
Subject: Re: Auto forum
Group: S-Trains Message: 356 From: RobertE613@xxx.xxx Date: 11/10/1998
Subject: Track Advice
Group: S-Trains Message: 357 From: Chuck Smith Date: 11/10/1998
Subject: Re: Track Advice
Group: S-Trains Message: 358 From: John Foley Date: 11/10/1998
Subject: S-FEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 359 From: kelvin white Date: 11/10/1998
Subject: SP Bloody nose paint scheme
Group: S-Trains Message: 360 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/10/1998
Subject: SP Bloody Nose
Group: S-Trains Message: 361 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/10/1998
Subject: Gargraves Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 362 From: John Foley Date: 11/10/1998
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 363 From: W. Thomas Boussum Date: 11/10/1998
Subject: Thanks for the input on my SIT problems.
Group: S-Trains Message: 364 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/11/1998
Subject: Loco Upgrades
Group: S-Trains Message: 365 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 11/11/1998
Subject: Re: Robert's Gargraves track
Group: S-Trains Message: 366 From: ClaimsBoss@xxx.xxx Date: 11/11/1998
Subject: Scale vs Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 367 From: Chuck Smith Date: 11/11/1998
Subject: Re: Scale vs Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 368 From: nsupbnsf@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 11/11/1998
Subject: 350 Connector Pins
Group: S-Trains Message: 369 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/11/1998
Subject: modern prototype group
Group: S-Trains Message: 370 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/11/1998
Subject: proto:64 standards
Group: S-Trains Message: 371 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/11/1998
Subject: Proto 64 standards (proposed)
Group: S-Trains Message: 372 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: crinkle
Group: S-Trains Message: 373 From: Jeffrey Tangeman Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Anyone near New Haven?
Group: S-Trains Message: 374 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Re: Anyone near New Haven?
Group: S-Trains Message: 375 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: TTOS
Group: S-Trains Message: 376 From: Chuck Smith Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Re: Anyone near New Haven?
Group: S-Trains Message: 377 From: Mellon, Jay E. Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Re: Anyone near New Haven?
Group: S-Trains Message: 378 From: David Dewey Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Re: Anyone near New Haven?
Group: S-Trains Message: 379 From: Neimanis,V. [NCR] Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Re: Track Advice
Group: S-Trains Message: 380 From: L Montgomery Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Snow Cover
Group: S-Trains Message: 381 From: David Dewey Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Re: Snow Cover
Group: S-Trains Message: 382 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: protype
Group: S-Trains Message: 383 From: kelvin white Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: MPSM Sig
Group: S-Trains Message: 384 From: PatnDave Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: NMRA Memberships
Group: S-Trains Message: 385 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Hobby Surplus
Group: S-Trains Message: 386 From: Roger Hinds Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Re: NMRA Memberships
Group: S-Trains Message: 387 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Re: Where to go with Modern S group
Group: S-Trains Message: 388 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Re: NMRA Memberships
Group: S-Trains Message: 389 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/12/1998
Subject: Re: NMRA Memberships
Group: S-Trains Message: 390 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Electronic track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 391 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: resend of Modern S group note to fix garbles, I hope
Group: S-Trains Message: 392 From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 43
Group: S-Trains Message: 393 From: thompson@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Re: NMRA Memberships
Group: S-Trains Message: 394 From: David Dewey Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Re: Electronic track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 395 From: Dave Heine Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: NMRA Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 396 From: Michael Greene Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Re: NMRA Memberships
Group: S-Trains Message: 397 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Re: crackle paint
Group: S-Trains Message: 398 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Re: NMRA Memberships
Group: S-Trains Message: 399 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Webpage Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 400 From: Roger Hinds Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Proto 64
Group: S-Trains Message: 401 From: Curtis Johnson Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 43
Group: S-Trains Message: 402 From: Roger Hinds Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Politics
Group: S-Trains Message: 403 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: F Units
Group: S-Trains Message: 404 From: jim Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: S guage questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 405 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 11/13/1998
Subject: Majorette
Group: S-Trains Message: 406 From: RxMan46321@xxx.xxx Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: Lubricating axels
Group: S-Trains Message: 407 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: NMRA OR ANY MEMBERSHIP
Group: S-Trains Message: 408 From: PatnDave Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: NMRA membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 409 From: Chuck Smith Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: Re: Lubricating axels
Group: S-Trains Message: 410 From: kelvin white Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: Lionel conversions and driving wheels.
Group: S-Trains Message: 411 From: kelvin white Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: MPSM --the future
Group: S-Trains Message: 412 From: kelvin white Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: MPSM --the future
Group: S-Trains Message: 413 From: Jeffrey Tangeman Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: Flyer part Number
Group: S-Trains Message: 414 From: Jeffrey Tangeman Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: Hobby surplus catalog arrived
Group: S-Trains Message: 415 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: Re: MPSM --the future
Group: S-Trains Message: 416 From: Curtis Johnson Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 44
Group: S-Trains Message: 417 From: Chuck Smith Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: Re: Flyer part Number
Group: S-Trains Message: 418 From: Ken Zieska Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: Weekend Report
Group: S-Trains Message: 419 From: HSage3@xxx.xxx Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 44
Group: S-Trains Message: 420 From: David Dewey Date: 11/14/1998
Subject: Re: Hobby surplus catalog arrived
Group: S-Trains Message: 421 From: mhrreast@juno.com Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: Lubricating Axles
Group: S-Trains Message: 422 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: Link Page Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 423 From: Robin Thompson Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 44
Group: S-Trains Message: 424 From: LEAHY RUTH A Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: MTH in "S"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 425 From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 426 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: Re: Rivets and gondolas
Group: S-Trains Message: 427 From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: Re: Lubricating axels
Group: S-Trains Message: 428 From: David Dewey Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: Re: Rollin' wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 429 From: kelvin white Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: MPSM - Modern Locomotives List
Group: S-Trains Message: 430 From: kelvin white Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: MPSM - cut off dates
Group: S-Trains Message: 431 From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: Re: Rollin' wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 432 From: esquivel Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: Re: Webpage Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 433 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: Proto:64
Group: S-Trains Message: 434 From: Robin Thompson Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: Re: MTH in "S"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 435 From: Vic Bereskin Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 44
Group: S-Trains Message: 436 From: Roy E. Plotnick Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: An "Arggh" moment
Group: S-Trains Message: 437 From: Joseph F Haenn Date: 11/15/1998
Subject: NMRA Membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 438 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: Re: MPSM - Modern Locomotives List
Group: S-Trains Message: 439 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: Re: MTH in "S"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 440 From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: roof styles
Group: S-Trains Message: 441 From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: mainline modeler
Group: S-Trains Message: 442 From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: electric track trip
Group: S-Trains Message: 443 From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: new Casey by H-Surplus
Group: S-Trains Message: 444 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: modern group
Group: S-Trains Message: 445 From: GPMLG@aol.com Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: Detail Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 446 From: Milorod@aol.com Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: Re: NMRA membership
Group: S-Trains Message: 447 From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: Canadian S-scalers
Group: S-Trains Message: 448 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: need to contact Don Richards
Group: S-Trains Message: 449 From: Bill Porter Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: Modern Stuff
Group: S-Trains Message: 450 From: Bilfrazier@xxx.xxx Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: Re: Modern locomotives
Group: S-Trains Message: 451 From: joes-train-repair@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: S Gauge Rogues
Group: S-Trains Message: 452 From: joes-train-repair@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: Re: MTH in "S"?
Group: S-Trains Message: 453 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: modern loco
Group: S-Trains Message: 454 From: RB Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: American Flyer track
Group: S-Trains Message: 455 From: Mac Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 456 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: original AF track
Group: S-Trains Message: 457 From: W. Thomas Boussum Date: 11/16/1998
Subject: Canadian 'S' gaugers
Group: S-Trains Message: 458 From: JOPKE, WALTER Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: Modern Locomotive Wish List
Group: S-Trains Message: 459 From: John Foley Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: S-Club L.I. N.Y.
Group: S-Trains Message: 460 From: Robin Thompson Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: Re: Detail Parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 461 From: Ross M Roberts Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 47
Group: S-Trains Message: 462 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: Modern and a call for pictures
Group: S-Trains Message: 463 From: Ken Zieska Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: Catagories
Group: S-Trains Message: 464 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: Re: MPSM - Modern Locomotives List
Group: S-Trains Message: 465 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: 40 year rule
Group: S-Trains Message: 466 From: Boss31@xxx.xxx Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 47 American Flyer track
Group: S-Trains Message: 467 From: Jeffrey Madden Date: 11/17/1998
Subject: Re: Welcome to S-Trains@onelist.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 468 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Canadian S site
Group: S-Trains Message: 469 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: old freight cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 470 From: JHAUGH12 Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Lionel for next year
Group: S-Trains Message: 471 From: kelvin white Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: GG1 withdrawl dates ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 472 From: Chris Palomarez Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Wishful Products for MPSM
Group: S-Trains Message: 473 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Re: GG1 withdrawl dates ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 474 From: Chris Palomarez Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: MPSM cutoff dates? why?
Group: S-Trains Message: 475 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Re: Wishful Products for MPSM
Group: S-Trains Message: 476 From: Chris Palomarez Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Re: Wishful Products for MPSM
Group: S-Trains Message: 477 From: Chris Palomarez Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: MPSM scale trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 478 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Hold that thought!
Group: S-Trains Message: 479 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Re: Wishful Products for MPSM
Group: S-Trains Message: 480 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: re roller bearing truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 481 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Proposed Survey Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 482 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Re: MPSM scale trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 483 From: Robin Thompson Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Re: MPSM scale trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 484 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 11/18/1998
Subject: Re: Track
Group: S-Trains Message: 485 From: Rhett T. George Date: 11/19/1998
Subject: SW-9 wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 486 From: Mark Preman Date: 11/19/1998
Subject: Fwd: S Gaugian Back Issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 487 From: RxMan46321@xxx.xxx Date: 11/19/1998
Subject: DCC decoders
Group: S-Trains Message: 488 From: John Foley Date: 11/19/1998
Subject: NASG Memberships
Group: S-Trains Message: 489 From: alice beachy Date: 11/19/1998
Subject: Mike Wolf Talk
Group: S-Trains Message: 490 From: Bilfrazier@xxx.xxx Date: 11/19/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 49
Group: S-Trains Message: 491 From: Ken Zieska Date: 11/19/1998
Subject: Thursday night report
Group: S-Trains Message: 492 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 11/20/1998
Subject: Finescale Modeling
Group: S-Trains Message: 493 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/20/1998
Subject: MPSG update
Group: S-Trains Message: 494 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/20/1998
Subject: another MPSG update
Group: S-Trains Message: 495 From: Chris Palomarez Date: 11/20/1998
Subject: MPSM Scale Roller Bearing Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 496 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/20/1998
Subject: Re: MPSG update
Group: S-Trains Message: 497 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 11/20/1998
Subject: Rail Joiners
Group: S-Trains Message: 498 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 11/20/1998
Subject: Car Accident
Group: S-Trains Message: 499 From: Nick and Becky Colleran Date: 11/20/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 50
Group: S-Trains Message: 500 From: seg@xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 11/20/1998
Subject: AF up for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 501 From: Robin Thompson Date: 11/21/1998
Subject: Re: Rail Joiners
Group: S-Trains Message: 502 From: PatnDave Date: 11/21/1998
Subject: Scale Roller Bearing Trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 503 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 11/21/1998
Subject: Photos
Group: S-Trains Message: 504 From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx Date: 11/21/1998
Subject: Re: AF up for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 505 From: kelvin white Date: 11/21/1998
Subject: MPSG email list
Group: S-Trains Message: 506 From: Robin Thompson Date: 11/21/1998
Subject: Re: AF up for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 507 From: Roger Hinds Date: 11/21/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 50
Group: S-Trains Message: 508 From: alice beachy Date: 11/22/1998
Subject: MTH, AF, and S
Group: S-Trains Message: 509 From: Wesley, Jack Date: 11/22/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 51
Group: S-Trains Message: 510 From: donrich Date: 11/22/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 51
Group: S-Trains Message: 511 From: donrich Date: 11/22/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 51
Group: S-Trains Message: 512 From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: 11/22/1998
Subject: Madison roof
Group: S-Trains Message: 513 From: Kempfam@xxx.xxx Date: 11/22/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 51
Group: S-Trains Message: 514 From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx Date: 11/22/1998
Subject: Re: Madison roof
Group: S-Trains Message: 515 From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade Date: 11/22/1998
Subject: Only Eight Days Left
Group: S-Trains Message: 516 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/22/1998
Subject: modern and P64 lists
Group: S-Trains Message: 517 From: Robin Thompson Date: 11/22/1998
Subject: Re: Madison roof
Group: S-Trains Message: 518 From: Vic Bereskin Date: 11/22/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 51
Group: S-Trains Message: 519 From: Charles L. Day Date: 11/23/1998
Subject: Digest Number 52
Group: S-Trains Message: 520 From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: 11/23/1998
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 521 From: David Dewey Date: 11/23/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 52
Group: S-Trains Message: 522 From: David Dewey Date: 11/23/1998
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 523 From: David Dewey Date: 11/23/1998
Subject: New oil drum loader?
Group: S-Trains Message: 524 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/23/1998
Subject: Don't use 'Reply'
Group: S-Trains Message: 525 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/23/1998
Subject: computor woes (especially for modern prototype group)
Group: S-Trains Message: 526 From: John Foley Date: 11/24/1998
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains Message: 527 From: Kempfam@xxx.xxx Date: 11/24/1998
Subject: Saw Mill Oil Drum Loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 528 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 11/25/1998
Subject: Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains Message: 529 From: RBalli5085@xxx.xxx Date: 11/25/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 54
Group: S-Trains Message: 530 From: RBalli5085@xxx.xxx Date: 11/25/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 54
Group: S-Trains Message: 531 From: David Dewey Date: 11/25/1998
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving all!
Group: S-Trains Message: 532 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/25/1998
Subject: Thanks to All
Group: S-Trains Message: 533 From: JFR040436@xxxxxx.xxx Date: 11/25/1998
Subject: Barrel Loader (by Lionel)
Group: S-Trains Message: 534 From: Ken Zieska Date: 11/25/1998
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains Message: 535 From: Robin Thompson Date: 11/26/1998
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains Message: 536 From: mary jo shutt Date: 11/26/1998
Subject: lamplighter
Group: S-Trains Message: 537 From: TPDavis7@xxx.xxx Date: 11/26/1998
Subject: Possible source of buildings for "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 538 From: Hilary Smith Date: 11/26/1998
Subject: Re: Rail Joiners
Group: S-Trains Message: 539 From: Craig S. O'Connell Date: 11/27/1998
Subject: Re: Possible source of buildings for "S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 540 From: steve roche Date: 11/27/1998
Subject: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains Message: 541 From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: 11/27/1998
Subject: Tank cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 542 From: BenTrous@xxx.xxx Date: 11/27/1998
Subject: Code .148 Rail Joiners
Group: S-Trains Message: 543 From: Robin Thompson Date: 11/27/1998
Subject: Re: Code .148 Rail Joiners
Group: S-Trains Message: 544 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 11/28/1998
Subject: Re: - tankcar
Group: S-Trains Message: 545 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/29/1998
Subject: Survey - last look
Group: S-Trains Message: 546 From: kelvin white Date: 11/29/1998
Subject: British 4mm buildings for S scale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 547 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/29/1998
Subject: Re: British 4mm buildings for S scale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 548 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/29/1998
Subject: Re: British 4mm buildings for S scale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 549 From: L Montgomery Date: 11/30/1998
Subject: Snow Scene Material
Group: S-Trains Message: 550 From: Mark Preman Date: 11/30/1998
Subject: December List Of American Flyer For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 551 From: seg@xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 11/30/1998
Subject: 772 checkerboard tank disassembly
Group: S-Trains Message: 552 From: Tomlinson, John D Date: 11/30/1998
Subject: Replacement Motor Units
Group: S-Trains Message: 553 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 11/30/1998
Subject: All Aboard and others
Group: S-Trains Message: 554 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/1/1998
Subject: Survey Time
Group: S-Trains Message: 555 From: Brad Lee Rockwell Date: 12/1/1998
Subject: Roger Hinds track cleaner
Group: S-Trains Message: 556 From: Steinkirchner, Alan Date: 12/1/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 60 Message 4 Replacement motor units
Group: S-Trains Message: 557 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/1/1998
Subject: Help start 'em young
Group: S-Trains Message: 558 From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade Date: 12/1/1998
Subject: New Classified Ads have been posted
Group: S-Trains Message: 559 From: Gregg Mummert Date: 12/1/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 60
Group: S-Trains Message: 560 From: John Foley Date: 12/1/1998
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 561 From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade Date: 12/1/1998
Subject: AM Flats
Group: S-Trains Message: 562 From: Alex Binkley Date: 12/1/1998
Subject: Marx truss bridge
Group: S-Trains Message: 563 From: EMarkA@xxx.xxx Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: AF Engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 564 From: Theodore Fabian Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: prices / values / infomation
Group: S-Trains Message: 565 From: TerryMacE@xxx.xxx Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: Electronic Whistle Controller
Group: S-Trains Message: 566 From: David Dewey Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: Re: prices / values / infomation
Group: S-Trains Message: 567 From: David Dewey Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Controller
Group: S-Trains Message: 568 From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: reefers
Group: S-Trains Message: 569 From: Gerbasi Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: 1957 Chevys for your layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 570 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: Proto 64 List is up and running
Group: S-Trains Message: 571 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: Ratings
Group: S-Trains Message: 572 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: Re: Ratings
Group: S-Trains Message: 573 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: Re: can motors
Group: S-Trains Message: 574 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: Des Plaines Hobbies #88 wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 575 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: proto listserve
Group: S-Trains Message: 576 From: Roger Delthony Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: [Fwd: Ertl 1/64 building sets in stores]
Group: S-Trains Message: 577 From: SGaugeRAB@xxx.xxx Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: SHS Christmas Caboose
Group: S-Trains Message: 578 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: Ertl GP35
Group: S-Trains Message: 579 From: SGaugeRAB@xxx.xxx Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: Re: Snow Scene Material
Group: S-Trains Message: 580 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/2/1998
Subject: Re: Electronic Whistle Controller
Group: S-Trains Message: 581 From: TPDavis7@xxx.xxx Date: 12/3/1998
Subject: Plasticville Accesoeies
Group: S-Trains Message: 582 From: John Conant Date: 12/3/1998
Subject: Winter Scenes
Group: S-Trains Message: 583 From: Mark Preman Date: 12/3/1998
Subject: Fwd: Re: December List-American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 584 From: David Dewey Date: 12/3/1998
Subject: Re: Plasticville Accesoeies
Group: S-Trains Message: 585 From: Theodore Fabian Date: 12/3/1998
Subject: Re: prices / values / infomation
Group: S-Trains Message: 586 From: John E. Dalton Date: 12/3/1998
Subject: Re: Ertl GP35
Group: S-Trains Message: 587 From: Chuck Smith Date: 12/3/1998
Subject: Re: prices / values / infomation
Group: S-Trains Message: 588 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/3/1998
Subject: ERTL GP35
Group: S-Trains Message: 589 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/3/1998
Subject: Ertl GP35-more info please
Group: S-Trains Message: 590 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/3/1998
Subject: Re: Ertl GP35-more info please
Group: S-Trains Message: 591 From: Ken Zieska Date: 12/3/1998
Subject: Blood on the Floor
Group: S-Trains Message: 592 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/4/1998
Subject: Trains for a 3.5 year old
Group: S-Trains Message: 593 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/4/1998
Subject: First Survey results.
Group: S-Trains Message: 594 From: EMarkA@xxx.xxx Date: 12/4/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 62
Group: S-Trains Message: 595 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/4/1998
Subject: grimy, leaky choo-choo cont'd.
Group: S-Trains Message: 596 From: JOHN EICHMANN Date: 12/4/1998
Subject: Anemic Whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 597 From: David Dewey Date: 12/4/1998
Subject: Re: Anemic Whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 598 From: Bilfrazier@aol.com Date: 12/4/1998
Subject: Re: Ertl GP35
Group: S-Trains Message: 599 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/5/1998
Subject: Re: anemic billboard
Group: S-Trains Message: 600 From: Curtis Johnson Date: 12/5/1998
Subject: Re: Trains for a 3.5 year old
Group: S-Trains Message: 601 From: RWJW3@xxx.xxx Date: 12/5/1998
Subject: Anemic Whistle
Group: S-Trains Message: 602 From: randall.griggs@xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 12/5/1998
Subject: Need unpainted Dreyfus Hudson kit.
Group: S-Trains Message: 603 From: Ken Zieska Date: 12/5/1998
Subject: Trackwork
Group: S-Trains Message: 604 From: Robin Thompson Date: 12/5/1998
Subject: Re: Proto 64 Trackwork & code 125 rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 605 From: BenTrous@xxx.xxx Date: 12/5/1998
Subject: Workman's Comp
Group: S-Trains Message: 606 From: PortLines@aol.com Date: 12/6/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 65
Group: S-Trains Message: 607 From: Bilfrazier@xxx.xxx Date: 12/6/1998
Subject: Re: Ballston Loco phone #
Group: S-Trains Message: 608 From: Gerbasi Date: 12/6/1998
Subject: coal loads for hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 609 From: David Dewey Date: 12/6/1998
Subject: Re: coal loads for hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 610 From: Ken Zieska Date: 12/6/1998
Subject: Clinic for 1999
Group: S-Trains Message: 611 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/6/1998
Subject: Ertl GP35 Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 612 From: Mark Preman Date: 12/7/1998
Subject: Train Sets for Kids
Group: S-Trains Message: 613 From: mcwb@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 12/7/1998
Subject: AF Parts for Restoration Work
Group: S-Trains Message: 614 From: Steinkirchner, Alan Date: 12/7/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 66, 65 & Ballston phone number
Group: S-Trains Message: 615 From: FANN, ROBERT Date: 12/7/1998
Subject: Call for Modules
Group: S-Trains Message: 616 From: kelvin white Date: 12/7/1998
Subject: tie spacing and size for turnouts.
Group: S-Trains Message: 617 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/7/1998
Subject: Christmas Present for Proto:64 Modellers
Group: S-Trains Message: 618 From: Robin Thompson Date: 12/12/1998
Subject: Re: tie spacing and size for turnouts.
Group: S-Trains Message: 619 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 12/8/1998
Subject: Re: Christmas Present for Proto:64 Modellers
Group: S-Trains Message: 620 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/8/1998
Subject: Re: [Proto64] Sn3 / S
Group: S-Trains Message: 621 From: Roy Plotnick Date: 12/8/1998
Subject: S-gaugian back issues
Group: S-Trains Message: 622 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 12/8/1998
Subject: S Helper products
Group: S-Trains Message: 623 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 12/8/1998
Subject: AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 624 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 12/8/1998
Subject: book list
Group: S-Trains Message: 625 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/8/1998
Subject: Modern SIG ??
Group: S-Trains Message: 626 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/8/1998
Subject: re Wayne Broadhead's How do you turn it off??
Group: S-Trains Message: 627 From: David Dewey Date: 12/8/1998
Subject: Re: AF
Group: S-Trains Message: 628 From: Gf3897@aol.com Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 68
Group: S-Trains Message: 629 From: Alex Binkley Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: modern proto group
Group: S-Trains Message: 630 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: the spending
Group: S-Trains Message: 631 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 68
Group: S-Trains Message: 632 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: TURN OFF TRAINS?
Group: S-Trains Message: 633 From: L Montgomery Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: Fiber Pins
Group: S-Trains Message: 634 From: Chuck Smith Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: Re: Fiber Pins
Group: S-Trains Message: 635 From: kelvin white Date: 12/8/1998
Subject: ERTL GP 35 and a small world!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 636 From: David Dewey Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: Re: ERTL GP 35 and a small world!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 637 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: Modern Prototypical Scale Modeling
Group: S-Trains Message: 638 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: re small world
Group: S-Trains Message: 639 From: Robin Thompson Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: Re: latest shipment
Group: S-Trains Message: 640 From: NYC17819@aol.com Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: AF Catalogue
Group: S-Trains Message: 641 From: TerryMacE@aol.com Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 642 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains Message: 643 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: Spare parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 644 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 12/9/1998
Subject: e unit problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 645 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/10/1998
Subject: Re: Questions
Group: S-Trains Message: 646 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/7/1998
Subject: hobble bobble Franklin
Group: S-Trains Message: 647 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/10/1998
Subject: misc
Group: S-Trains Message: 648 From: Haenn, Joe Date: 12/10/1998
Subject: Re: Fiber Track Pins
Group: S-Trains Message: 649 From: Roy Plotnick Date: 12/10/1998
Subject: Re: Spare parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 650 From: Mark Preman Date: 12/10/1998
Subject: Another Opportunity
Group: S-Trains Message: 651 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/10/1998
Subject: hobble bobble Franklin
Group: S-Trains Message: 652 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/10/1998
Subject: Re: Repro boxes
Group: S-Trains Message: 653 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/10/1998
Subject: Re: AM parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 654 From: LARSPAINTR@xxx.xxx Date: 12/10/1998
Subject: set DIGEST
Group: S-Trains Message: 655 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/10/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 69
Group: S-Trains Message: 656 From: Hilary Smith Date: 12/11/1998
Subject: Re: tie spacing and size for turnouts.
Group: S-Trains Message: 657 From: gdavis@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx Date: 12/11/1998
Subject: AM lightweight coaches
Group: S-Trains Message: 658 From: Ted Fabian Date: 12/11/1998
Subject: Season's Greetings
Group: S-Trains Message: 659 From: kelvin white Date: 12/10/1998
Subject: Re: Spare parts
Group: S-Trains Message: 660 From: L Montgomery Date: 12/11/1998
Subject: Lighted Cars Blink Too Much
Group: S-Trains Message: 661 From: Chuck Smith Date: 12/11/1998
Subject: Re: Lighted Cars Blink Too Much
Group: S-Trains Message: 662 From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade Date: 12/11/1998
Subject: Christmas Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 663 From: Dennis Back Date: 12/11/1998
Subject: Calling the ELECTRICAL EXPERTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 664 From: Allen Evans Date: 12/11/1998
Subject: Re: Calling the ELECTRICAL EXPERTS
Group: S-Trains Message: 665 From: Allen Evans Date: 12/11/1998
Subject: More on Electrical Lighting. . .
Group: S-Trains Message: 666 From: David Dewey Date: 12/11/1998
Subject: Re: Light flickering
Group: S-Trains Message: 667 From: esquivel Date: 12/12/1998
Subject: Re: Light flickering
Group: S-Trains Message: 668 From: EMarkA@xxx.xxx Date: 12/12/1998
Subject: Christmas Sale Hudson
Group: S-Trains Message: 669 From: LARSPAINTR@xxx.xxx Date: 12/12/1998
Subject: wiper wires
Group: S-Trains Message: 670 From: Roger Hinds Date: 12/12/1998
Subject: Lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 671 From: Curtis Johnson Date: 12/12/1998
Subject: Re: Fiber Pins
Group: S-Trains Message: 672 From: James Wysopal Date: 12/13/1998
Subject: loose engine tires
Group: S-Trains Message: 673 From: alice beachy Date: 12/12/1998
Subject: Sound for S scale Steam
Group: S-Trains Message: 674 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/13/1998
Subject: ...take a few seconds...
Group: S-Trains Message: 675 From: Chuck Smith Date: 12/13/1998
Subject: Re: loose engine tires
Group: S-Trains Message: 676 From: Allen Evans Date: 12/13/1998
Subject: Last Word on Improving Your Lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 677 From: Robert E. Yablonski Date: 12/13/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 71
Group: S-Trains Message: 678 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/13/1998
Subject: More S than you need.
Group: S-Trains Message: 679 From: David Dewey Date: 12/13/1998
Subject: Re: Wheel repairs
Group: S-Trains Message: 680 From: Ken Zieska Date: 12/13/1998
Subject: weekend Report
Group: S-Trains Message: 681 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/14/1998
Subject: clean journals
Group: S-Trains Message: 682 From: AL BABBITT (JOHN EICHMANN) Date: 12/14/1998
Subject: 1/64 Vehicles etc.
Group: S-Trains Message: 683 From: Kimball, Bob (PB) Date: 12/14/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 70
Group: S-Trains Message: 684 From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun Date: 12/14/1998
Subject: Re: Welcome to S-Trains@onelist.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 685 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/14/1998
Subject: Two Address list problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 686 From: PatnDave Date: 12/14/1998
Subject: Tamalco for SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 687 From: Robin Thompson Date: 12/14/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 70
Group: S-Trains Message: 688 From: Robin Thompson Date: 12/14/1998
Subject: Re: Tamalco for SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 689 From: GPMLG@aol.com Date: 12/14/1998
Subject: stripping paint/chrome
Group: S-Trains Message: 690 From: EMarkA@aol.com Date: 12/14/1998
Subject: For Sale Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 691 From: aleisen@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 12/15/1998
Subject: WTB
Group: S-Trains Message: 692 From: Mark Preman Date: 12/15/1998
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT (Trains of Course)
Group: S-Trains Message: 693 From: LEAHY RUTH A Date: 12/15/1998
Subject: Traintracker
Group: S-Trains Message: 694 From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx Date: 12/15/1998
Subject: Re: Traintracker
Group: S-Trains Message: 695 From: John Foley Date: 12/15/1998
Subject: Volunteer
Group: S-Trains Message: 696 From: Jeffrey Tangeman Date: 12/15/1998
Subject: L-Flyer engines in Charles Ro ad
Group: S-Trains Message: 697 From: NYC17819@xxx.xxx Date: 12/15/1998
Subject: Tie Spacing
Group: S-Trains Message: 698 From: David Dewey Date: 12/15/1998
Subject: Re: Tie Spacing
Group: S-Trains Message: 699 From: LARSPAINTR@xxx.xxx Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: Tie spacing info, realism compromise
Group: S-Trains Message: 700 From: BenTrous@xxx.xxx Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: Flickering Lights
Group: S-Trains Message: 701 From: TPDavis7@xxx.xxx Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: US Postal Service Equipment
Group: S-Trains Message: 702 From: RWJW3@xxx.xxx Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: Re: L-Flyer engines in Charles Ro ad
Group: S-Trains Message: 703 From: Barbara Bogert Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: Re: mark's site
Group: S-Trains Message: 704 From: TerryMacE@xxx.xxx Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 75
Group: S-Trains Message: 705 From: JHAUGH12 Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 75
Group: S-Trains Message: 706 From: Allen Evans Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: 12 ASCII DAYS OF CHRISTMAS
Group: S-Trains Message: 707 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: Re: US Postal Service Equipment
Group: S-Trains Message: 708 From: PortLines@aol.com Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: Re: Ro
Group: S-Trains Message: 709 From: John Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: 371 Deisel, and other units with this type motor
Group: S-Trains Message: 710 From: William Horzempa Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: Train TRacker
Group: S-Trains Message: 711 From: Dennis Back Date: 12/16/1998
Subject: Wanted: repro AF TRACK GANG
Group: S-Trains Message: 712 From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com Date: 12/17/1998
Subject: "L"-cheapo's
Group: S-Trains Message: 713 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/17/1998
Subject: hot 371
Group: S-Trains Message: 714 From: Mark Preman Date: 12/17/1998
Subject: To the Bogerts
Group: S-Trains Message: 715 From: BBENN1147@xxx.xxx Date: 12/17/1998
Subject: Re: Welcome to S-Trains@onelist.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 716 From: bellokdaka@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 12/17/1998
Subject: S' scale and American Flyer® compatible trains - Re: Dry transfer
Group: S-Trains Message: 717 From: bellokdaka@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 12/17/1998
Subject: Dry Transfers
Group: S-Trains Message: 718 From: lois ponton Date: 12/17/1998
Subject: flyer atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 719 From: Jeffrey Tangeman Date: 12/17/1998
Subject: joys of wiring small layouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 720 From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: 12/18/1998
Subject: Short box cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 721 From: Roy Plotnick Date: 12/18/1998
Subject: 322 SIT derails
Group: S-Trains Message: 722 From: L Montgomery Date: 12/18/1998
Subject: Lubricating Journals
Group: S-Trains Message: 723 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/18/1998
Subject: Re: AF relettering
Group: S-Trains Message: 724 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/18/1998
Subject: Re: 21160
Group: S-Trains Message: 725 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/18/1998
Subject: S-Trains Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 726 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 12/18/1998
Subject: ties
Group: S-Trains Message: 727 From: kelvin white Date: 12/18/1998
Subject: tie spacing and size for turnouts.
Group: S-Trains Message: 728 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/18/1998
Subject: L.A. area S scale shops
Group: S-Trains Message: 729 From: Dennis Back Date: 12/18/1998
Subject: Santa Claus Injured by AF 322
Group: S-Trains Message: 730 From: Bilfrazier@xxx.xxx Date: 12/19/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 78
Group: S-Trains Message: 731 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 12/19/1998
Subject: Several Replies
Group: S-Trains Message: 732 From: Robin Thompson Date: 12/19/1998
Subject: Re: L.A. area S scale shops
Group: S-Trains Message: 733 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/19/1998
Subject: Survey Results
Group: S-Trains Message: 734 From: Alex Binkley Date: 12/19/1998
Subject: AF in Toronto
Group: S-Trains Message: 735 From: Alex Binkley Date: 12/19/1998
Subject: We're back
Group: S-Trains Message: 736 From: Alex Binkley Date: 12/19/1998
Subject: Hey John Tomlins
Group: S-Trains Message: 737 From: Alex Binkley Date: 12/19/1998
Subject: another recruit
Group: S-Trains Message: 738 From: Alex Binkley Date: 12/19/1998
Subject: Blue Mountain hopper loads
Group: S-Trains Message: 739 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/19/1998
Subject: Re: L.A. area S scale shops
Group: S-Trains Message: 740 From: Gerbasi Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: "cool" stuff at Target
Group: S-Trains Message: 741 From: jim Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: Made in China?
Group: S-Trains Message: 742 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: PacRail
Group: S-Trains Message: 743 From: Alex Binkley Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: First modern prototype newsletter
Group: S-Trains Message: 744 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: Off subject - Web site development
Group: S-Trains Message: 745 From: LEAHY RUTH A Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: A.F. Eastwood truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 746 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: Re: Made in China?
Group: S-Trains Message: 747 From: Vic Bereskin Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 79
Group: S-Trains Message: 748 From: Fred Alles Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 79
Group: S-Trains Message: 749 From: Robin Thompson Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: Re: "S" made in China?
Group: S-Trains Message: 750 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: BEST MAG FOR PROMOTING?
Group: S-Trains Message: 751 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: "S" mags
Group: S-Trains Message: 752 From: Ken Zieska Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: Minnesota Heartland Western Division Weekend report
Group: S-Trains Message: 753 From: John Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: Reversing Units
Group: S-Trains Message: 754 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: Re: "S" made in China?
Group: S-Trains Message: 755 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 12/20/1998
Subject: Re: "S" mags
Group: S-Trains Message: 756 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: 322 derails
Group: S-Trains Message: 757 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: rev unit and lube
Group: S-Trains Message: 758 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 79
Group: S-Trains Message: 759 From: L Montgomery Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: Re: Cool Stuff at Target
Group: S-Trains Message: 760 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: DCC and Y2K
Group: S-Trains Message: 761 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: S Gaugian/S Scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 762 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: ANY MODULES GOING TO THE CONVENTION?
Group: S-Trains Message: 763 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: S-Mod
Group: S-Trains Message: 764 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: Re: DCC and Y2K
Group: S-Trains Message: 765 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: New Data
Group: S-Trains Message: 766 From: GPMLG@xxx.xxx Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: 332 Silver lettering ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 767 From: NYC17819@xxx.xxx Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: #8 Turnout ties
Group: S-Trains Message: 768 From: Ken Zieska Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: Ertl
Group: S-Trains Message: 769 From: Russcalla@xxx.xxx Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 80
Group: S-Trains Message: 770 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: LA stores
Group: S-Trains Message: 771 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: MADE IN CHINA?
Group: S-Trains Message: 772 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: Pre-1940 trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 773 From: David Dewey Date: 12/21/1998
Subject: Re: 332 Silver lettering ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 774 From: kelvin white Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: Doghouses
Group: S-Trains Message: 775 From: kelvin white Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: #8 Turnout ties and a new S scale turnout
Group: S-Trains Message: 776 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: Gunk Super Oil
Group: S-Trains Message: 777 From: Chuck Smith Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: Re: 332 Silver lettering ?
Group: S-Trains Message: 778 From: Chuck Smith Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: Re: Doghouses
Group: S-Trains Message: 779 From: David Dewey Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: Re: Doghouses
Group: S-Trains Message: 780 From: Daniel Neumayer Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: S Guage in Baltimore
Group: S-Trains Message: 781 From: TPDavis7@xxx.xxx Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: Railway crossing signals
Group: S-Trains Message: 782 From: LARSPAINTR@xxx.xxx Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: 40's and 50's autos avail now
Group: S-Trains Message: 783 From: LARSPAINTR@xxx.xxx Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: Modules???
Group: S-Trains Message: 784 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: re Crossing signals
Group: S-Trains Message: 785 From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: S-scale magazines
Group: S-Trains Message: 786 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/22/1998
Subject: Mag choice!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 787 From: James R. Schiele Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Flyer Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains Message: 788 From: alice beachy Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 789 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/17/1998
Subject: hot 371
Group: S-Trains Message: 790 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/17/1998
Subject: "L"-cheapo's
Group: S-Trains Message: 791 From: Roger Petrella Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: AF knuckle coupler problems
Group: S-Trains Message: 792 From: Theodore Fabian Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Re: AF knuckle coupler problems
Group: S-Trains Message: 793 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: THE MODULE CONCEPT
Group: S-Trains Message: 794 From: HSage3@xxx.xxx Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Re: Mag choice!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 795 From: JOHN EICHMANN Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Post Office Paint Schemes
Group: S-Trains Message: 796 From: Gregg Mummert Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Layouts, etc
Group: S-Trains Message: 797 From: Chuck Smith Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Re: AF knuckle coupler problems
Group: S-Trains Message: 798 From: Chuck Smith Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Re: Modules???
Group: S-Trains Message: 799 From: Roger Hinds Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Reverse units
Group: S-Trains Message: 800 From: Roger Hinds Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Loners
Group: S-Trains Message: 801 From: John Foley Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains Message: 802 From: Tom Hutton Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Re: Loners
Group: S-Trains Message: 803 From: Richard Snook Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Rudolf's ramblings...
Group: S-Trains Message: 804 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Another DB Update
Group: S-Trains Message: 805 From: Dennis Back Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Link Coupler Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 806 From: LEAHY RUTH A Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Collector
Group: S-Trains Message: 807 From: Chas Cacioppo Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Trainsets and Xmas Trains...
Group: S-Trains Message: 808 From: mhrreast@juno.com Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Trackwork & China
Group: S-Trains Message: 809 From: Chas Cacioppo Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Model Railroad Chat on Miningco Now
Group: S-Trains Message: 810 From: David Dewey Date: 12/23/1998
Subject: Re: Link Coupler Problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 811 From: John Foley Date: 12/24/1998
Subject: New S brass
Group: S-Trains Message: 812 From: TPDavis7@xxx.xxx Date: 12/24/1998
Subject: 3-in-one oil
Group: S-Trains Message: 813 From: PatnDave Date: 12/24/1998
Subject: Drawing Roller Bearing Truck
Group: S-Trains Message: 814 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/24/1998
Subject: Re: "The Collector"
Group: S-Trains Message: 815 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/24/1998
Subject: Re: Xmas gondola
Group: S-Trains Message: 816 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 12/24/1998
Subject: "The Collector"
Group: S-Trains Message: 817 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 12/24/1998
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains Message: 818 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/24/1998
Subject: Re: 3-in-one oil
Group: S-Trains Message: 819 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/24/1998
Subject: Merry Couplers
Group: S-Trains Message: 820 From: Ken Zieska Date: 12/24/1998
Subject: Locos
Group: S-Trains Message: 821 From: jim Date: 12/25/1998
Subject: Bachman On30 set
Group: S-Trains Message: 822 From: kelvin white Date: 12/25/1998
Subject: Doghouses on the C&NW
Group: S-Trains Message: 823 From: kelvin white Date: 12/25/1998
Subject: Re: Bachman On30 set
Group: S-Trains Message: 824 From: Ken Zieska Date: 12/25/1998
Subject: Ford Tractors
Group: S-Trains Message: 825 From: John Foley Date: 12/25/1998
Subject: New Brass Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 826 From: kelvin white Date: 12/25/1998
Subject: New small steam brass
Group: S-Trains Message: 827 From: Daniel Neumayer Date: 12/25/1998
Subject: Re: New Brass Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 828 From: Daniel Neumayer Date: 12/25/1998
Subject: L-AF Dummy Diesels, smooth rolling?
Group: S-Trains Message: 829 From: kelvin white Date: 12/25/1998
Subject: Re: New Brass Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 830 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 12/25/1998
Subject: S Gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 831 From: Bill Porter Date: 12/25/1998
Subject: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 832 From: Skip Mersereau Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: Re: [Proto64] [S-Trains] New small steam brass
Group: S-Trains Message: 833 From: kelvin white Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: [Proto64] MPSM modern Shortline modelling
Group: S-Trains Message: 834 From: PatnDave Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: A Roller Bearing truck for S scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 835 From: LARSPAINTR@xxx.xxx Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: Re: Hotwheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 836 From: John Foley Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: Southwind
Group: S-Trains Message: 837 From: John Foley Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: Great American Train show
Group: S-Trains Message: 838 From: joes-train-repair@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: S Mags Circulation
Group: S-Trains Message: 839 From: Daniel Neumayer Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: Wheel Puller needed
Group: S-Trains Message: 840 From: Boss31@xxx.xxx Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: Re: S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 841 From: Jeffrey Tangeman Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: Flyer parts vendors wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 842 From: M. McConnell Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 843 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 12/26/1998
Subject: S Gaugian as a a Scale Publication
Group: S-Trains Message: 844 From: PatnDave Date: 12/27/1998
Subject: A Roller Bearing truck for S scale
Group: S-Trains Message: 845 From: kelvin white Date: 12/27/1998
Subject: USRA gang of 100
Group: S-Trains Message: 846 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/27/1998
Subject: Re: Wheel puller
Group: S-Trains Message: 847 From: paul1049 Date: 12/27/1998
Subject: "B" unit horn
Group: S-Trains Message: 848 From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade Date: 12/27/1998
Subject: Re: USRA gang of 100
Group: S-Trains Message: 849 From: Daniel Neumayer Date: 12/27/1998
Subject: Re: USRA gang of 100
Group: S-Trains Message: 850 From: Alex Binkley Date: 12/27/1998
Subject: small steamers
Group: S-Trains Message: 851 From: Ken Zieska Date: 12/27/1998
Subject: Gang of 100
Group: S-Trains Message: 852 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 12/28/1998
Subject: vehicles/steam engines
Group: S-Trains Message: 853 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/28/1998
Subject: Re: NASG cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 854 From: Barbara Bogert Date: 12/28/1998
Subject: Gilbert horse race toy?
Group: S-Trains Message: 855 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/28/1998
Subject: Re: NASG cars
Group: S-Trains Message: 856 From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx Date: 12/28/1998
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains Message: 857 From: John Foley Date: 12/28/1998
Subject: New Brass
Group: S-Trains Message: 858 From: Barbara Bogert Date: 12/28/1998
Subject: thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 859 From: TPDavis7@xxx.xxx Date: 12/28/1998
Subject: Ref. NASG CARS
Group: S-Trains Message: 860 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/28/1998
Subject: I want your Input!
Group: S-Trains Message: 861 From: David Dewey Date: 12/28/1998
Subject: Re: Gilbert horse race toy?
Group: S-Trains Message: 862 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: Re: Sulkie set
Group: S-Trains Message: 863 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: Re: S publications
Group: S-Trains Message: 864 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: HORSE & SULKY
Group: S-Trains Message: 865 From: Michael Greene Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: 1:64 Vanguards Diecast vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 866 From: John Foley Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: NASG
Group: S-Trains Message: 867 From: John Foley Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: 3rd Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 868 From: Tuson, Earl Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: FW: New S decal source
Group: S-Trains Message: 869 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: Results update
Group: S-Trains Message: 870 From: LARSPAINTR@xxx.xxx Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: Hmmmm. Lotsa STUFF? and choices---
Group: S-Trains Message: 871 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: Re: Hmmmm. Lotsa STUFF? and choices---
Group: S-Trains Message: 872 From: Chuck Smith Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [S-Trains] Gilbert horse race toy?]]
Group: S-Trains Message: 873 From: Chuck Smith Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: Re: Hmmmm. Lotsa STUFF? and choices---
Group: S-Trains Message: 874 From: NYC17819@xxx.xxx Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: Wheel pullers
Group: S-Trains Message: 875 From: kelvin white Date: 12/29/1998
Subject: Re: 1:64 Vanguards Diecast vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 876 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: Re: 1:64 Vanguards Diecast vehicles
Group: S-Trains Message: 877 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: The Minnesota Heartland in print
Group: S-Trains Message: 878 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: 3 in 1
Group: S-Trains Message: 879 From: RobertE613@xxx.xxx Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: Re: [Hmmmm. Lotsa STUFF? and choices---
Group: S-Trains Message: 880 From: David Dewey Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: Backing up through switches
Group: S-Trains Message: 881 From: David Dewey Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: Re: Hmmmm. Lotsa STUFF? and choices---
Group: S-Trains Message: 882 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: Chromed Crusader
Group: S-Trains Message: 883 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: Re: Furbies
Group: S-Trains Message: 884 From: PatnDave Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] New Brass
Group: S-Trains Message: 885 From: John Foley Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: Foley again
Group: S-Trains Message: 886 From: Curtis Johnson Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 83
Group: S-Trains Message: 887 From: seg@xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 12/30/1998
Subject: Moreau CTT interview
Group: S-Trains Message: 888 From: Paul Yorke Date: 12/31/1998
Subject: Linked web address
Group: S-Trains Message: 889 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 12/31/1998
Subject: Hello in Florida
Group: S-Trains Message: 890 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 12/31/1998
Subject: Chris Zizzo
Group: S-Trains Message: 891 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 12/31/1998
Subject: CRUSADER & 3rd RAIL
Group: S-Trains Message: 892 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 12/31/1998
Subject: FW: Stock Market Report
Group: S-Trains Message: 893 From: Jacques Ollivier Date: 12/31/1998
Subject: Tonka trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 894 From: David Dewey Date: 12/31/1998
Subject: Re: Tonka trucks
Group: S-Trains Message: 895 From: Roger Hinds Date: 12/31/1998
Subject: Track porducts
Group: S-Trains Message: 896 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 12/31/1998
Subject: S Mod
Group: S-Trains Message: 897 From: Keith Thompson Date: 12/31/1998
Subject: Re: Tonka trucks



Group: S-Trains Message: 1 From: Paul Yorke Date: 9/26/1998
Subject: First new message on S-Trains 'onelist'
Well I found out about this list server from one of the S-Trains list
subscribers.
Lets hope it all works out.
I subscribed everybody in the 'Digest" mode. If you would like to
change that you can visit the OneList site at http://www.onelist.com
If you are a Juno person , I can do it for you, just let me know.
I make some more adjustments to the S-Trains info page at
http://www.gate.net/~yorke/smail.htm.
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Now maybe I can take some time to hook up my new transformer.

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I have configured the list in such a way that the "reply" button will
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Group: S-Trains Message: 2 From: Roger Hinds Date: 9/26/1998
Subject: Re: You have been added to S-Trains@onelist.com
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Happy to be on the on the list. Provided it is only for "S" guagers.

Note: Your automatic return is not recognized by Netscape Navigator.
Your Note was one big long line left to right. Using a hard
return when you get
to the right of the window just might work. Just thought you
would like to know.

Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 3 From: esquivel Date: 9/26/1998
Subject: talking station
hello out there, i hope this is working. i am new to hobby and will be
watching your messages to hopefully learn something. does anyone have an
extra speaker with needle to make my station talk.
thanks for your help.
esquivel
Group: S-Trains Message: 4 From: Ken Zieska Date: 9/26/1998
Subject: S Test
This is a test to see if the Minnesota Heartland Railway is able to send
a message to the new S mail. Hope so. By the way, my last message
that got lost in the crash mentioned that I was building the new 3 bay
version of the S Helper Service PS-2 that will be our 1999 convention
car. It is a beautiful model, not as tall and a bit shorter than the
American Models car. It adds nice variety to a grain train and one of
the PPSSW members noted that it will look better next to his AF cars. I
guess that will be personal taste but be sure you get a Minneapolis and
St. Louis two pack from the 1999 NASG Convention next spring.
Ken Z.
Group: S-Trains Message: 5 From: David Dewey Date: 9/26/1998
Subject: List test; track trips
HI all, Well we'll see how this one works.
A question has been brought up on the Toytrains list about track trips,
especially the 696. The poster commented that the price of said trips is
becoming prohibitive, and wonders if anyone is reproing them. Seems like a
good question. Except for the shoe, the rest of the parts are stampings,
relatively inexpensive to tool. (note the term relatively!!). So, Doug, et
al, what's happenin' man??? (Hey, aren't the 60s back in now??)
S'
David
Group: S-Trains Message: 6 From: Alex Binkley Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: military vehicles
a hobby shop in Ottawa has a line of 1/72 scale military vehicles. think
it's called Victoria. Includes modern and WW2 stuff from what I can tell.
While it obviously isn't 1/64, do folks think 1/72 is close enough to cut
it on S scale layouts. had some nice hummers and other equipment done up
for the UN

--
Alex Binkley
Hammond, Ont., Canada
<a href="mailto:alex.binkley@..." </a>
Group: S-Trains Message: 7 From: Paul Yorke Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: New List
Well thanks to all for your patients.
Remember to use the new address when sending to the list.
S-Trains@onelist.com
I switched all the non-digest folks from the old list over to non-digest
mode this morning.
This list does not have a 'both' option, so you either get individual
notes or digest notes.
If you want both, I suggest you have the digest sent to a yahoo or
netscape web mail account.
To sign up for Yahoo web mail go to http://edit.my.yahoo.com/config
or Netscape mail goto http://webmail.netscape.com
(If you alread have more than one mail account you would not need a
webmail account.)
Let me know if you need any changes on your account.

This list also allows you to stop the mail when you want, without
unsubscribing. Great for vacations.

There is also an archive. It can be viewed at http://www.onelist.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I installed my 12b (dual transformer) yesterday. I now can handle 3
train operation. I tried 4 train, but my outside loop is not long
enough. (oops) Or my trains are too long??



--
Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl.
American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers
http://www.gate.net/~yorke (alt e-mail paulyork@...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 8 From: Chuck Smith Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 0
S-Trains@onelist.com wrote:
>
This is testing my ability to send to this new group.

As a tip, I finally found out why my L AF Northern Pacific seemed to
have a touchy e-unit. Sudden reversals at full speed were due the metal
couplers bring a hair too low and the actuators occasionally kissing
thew switch frogs. Once I made sure all couplers were high enough the
problem was solved. I actually had to shim the 2 A unit bodies up a
washer thickness to allow the couplers to be raised enough.
--
"It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers and the
S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith
Group: S-Trains Message: 9 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: Re: New Tooling
In a message dated 9/27/98 8:20:54 AM, you wrote:

<<The poster commented that the price of said trips is

becoming prohibitive, and wonders if anyone is reproing them. Seems like a

good question. Except for the shoe, the rest of the parts are stampings,

relatively inexpensive to tool. (note the term relatively!!). So, Doug, et

al, what's happenin' man??? >>

Well.....I'll tell you what........I'm in the process RIGHT NOW of getting a
quote for tooling for two different black plastic parts. I can probably get
this shoe added to the mold for very little more. Let me check it out!
BTW.......I've given the go-ahead for production of four somewhat-elusive
parts for the All-Aboard Scenic Panels: the streetlight, the stopsign, the
long picket fence, and the RR Xng. Should have these available within a
couple of months!
Doug Peck 978-465-8798 (Phone or Fax)
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Port Lines @ aol.com http://trainweb.com/crocon/portlines.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 10 From: kelvin white Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: Replies and M&StL hoppers
In message <906898706.16029@onelist.com>, S-Trains@onelist.com writes
>I have configured the list in such a way that the "reply" button will
>direct the reply message to the individual, not the list.
I'm not sure tis is true, when I hit reply it came up with
S-Trains@onelist.com on my `mail to' box, ... we'ill see.

>I was building the new 3 bay
>version of the S Helper Service PS-2 that will be our 1999 convention
>car.
.....
> be sure you get a Minneapolis and
>St. Louis two pack from the 1999 NASG Convention next spring.
>Ken Z.
>
Hi Ken
I presume these are light grey with large M&STL on the LH side and the
name in full in a white band on the RH side - ie as the 2 bay PS2s? If
not what is the paint scheme? and from what date?

All you need now is Ron S to produce some decals for the GP9s, SD7s and
F3s ...

Best regards
--
Kelvin White
Oxford England
Group: S-Trains Message: 11 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 9/27/1998
Subject: Re: AF can motor transplants
In a message dated 9/27/98 10:48:20 AM, you wrote:

<< This has piqued my interest in converting my Flyer Atlantic and Pacific =
to a universal (AC/DC) can motor.
I would appreciate any comments and suggestions, both positive and =
negative, regarding a motor transplant.
What motors are available, what prices and any insight from anyone who =
has done this or even considered such a task?
Would it be possible to get can motors with the same shaft size as =
Flyer motors and just change out worm gears? Or, replace whole gear =
assemblies?
>>
American Highrail makes, for about $40, a can-motor replacement for AF. It has
a mounting bracket already attached, to mount it right on the AF chassis, and
it has a wormdrive gearshaft already installed. Have had no dissatisfaction
with sales of it. The one problem is availability.......it can be a LONG wait!
Unfortunately, I have none in stock right now, although I have some on order.
Doug Peck 978-465-8798 (Phone or Fax)
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Port Lines @ aol.com http://trainweb.com/crocon/portlines.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 12 From: Donald E. Munsey, Jr. Date: 9/28/1998
Subject: Re: AF can motor transplants
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:04:22 EDT
> From: PortLines@...
> Subject: Re: AF can motor transplants
>
> In a message dated 9/27/98 10:48:20 AM, you wrote:
>
> << This has piqued my interest in converting my Flyer Atlantic and Pacific =
> to a universal (AC/DC) can motor.
> I would appreciate any comments and suggestions, both positive and =
> negative, regarding a motor transplant.
> What motors are available, what prices and any insight from anyone who =
> has done this or even considered such a task?
> Would it be possible to get can motors with the same shaft size as =
> Flyer motors and just change out worm gears? Or, replace whole gear =
> assemblies?
> >>
Check out S-Gaugian for Jan/Feb 1983. On page 32, R Brooks Stover of
Buffalo Creek & Gauley fame has an article entitled "Installing can
motors in AF locos". Only one small machining required and the original
motor/motor mount is not affected, in case you want to restore the loco
later. Hope this helps!

Don Munsey, Jr.
WEST MONROE, LA
Group: S-Trains Message: 13 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 9/28/1998
Subject: 302AC on a 303
Is the shell of a single piece die cast metal 302AC compatible with the
mechanism of an otherwise plastic-bodied 303? The 303 runs and looks
great, but its the engine I got for my first Christmas. We presently run
our equipment pretty avidly. The occasional wreck happens (also just like
the real thing). I'd like to reduce the risk of busting a step, etc. on
this engine if possible, yet we have a "no shelf-ware" policy. (After all,
they're trains, not trophies). There's a 302AC shell for sale, so I
thought this might be a nice way to "preserve" my 303, while at the same
time keep it running. Thanks in advance for your help.

Where there's smoke, there's Flyer.
Group: S-Trains Message: 14 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/28/1998
Subject: Proto: 64
G'Day all,

Is there currently a PROTO: 64 SIG or similar, or is anyone interested in sharing an experiences in this area??

regards

Richard Snook
Frankston, AUSTRALIA
Group: S-Trains Message: 15 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/28/1998
Subject: Modern era
G'Day all

Would certainly welcome hearing from any one modelling modern era 80/90's.


regards

Richard Snook

Frankston, AUSTRALIA
Group: S-Trains Message: 16 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: BAAFC
John Foley wrote in asking who to contact at the Baltimore Area American
Flyer Club. Ron Kolb (301) 596-7797, or Monte Heppe (410) 255-0629.
They're the names on a flyer I picked up recently at a show at which they
had their layout on display. Fun layout. One club member virtually put on
an accessories show for my kids and me - - log loader, car unloader, coal
loader, saw mill and board loader - - great fun! I believe Bob Tufts is
also a member. I sent this is as a note because I haven't yet received my
digest to reply to. I hope it reaches everyone, especially you John. 'Til
next time, stay awake at the throttle...
Group: S-Trains Message: 17 From: Mark Preman Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale-October List
The new list is up (thanks to Paul Yorke)and has a
lot of variety. I also lowered some prices on slow
moving items. All this and the stock market is up
too! Happy hunting. Mark

http://members.tripod.com/~amerflyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 18 From: Bill & Diane Wade Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: Cleaning Out Sale
Howdy Friends

We are cleaning up the shop and have found a few things that need a good
home! Low quantity - low prices - ready to ship!

Hartoy P.E.M.s - 45' trailers with tractors - These were used for
display at the last few conventions and have shop-worn boxes, and in
most cases, a blemish on one side of the truck from all the handling. We
have 21 assorted tractor-trailers at $15.00 each - as is, no duplicates.
Regular price is $48.00!
(If ya ask us about the availability of specific lettering or
tractor types, and we need to go out and list the names and tractor
types, the price will go up to $20.00 each! )


American Models - Undec 4-6-2 scale - mint - $300.00

American Models - Hirail DC - GG-1 - Red - $180.00

American Models - Hirail - 50' Boxcars - $20.00 each
Tropicana (4), D&RGW (2), Raillink (2)

American Models - Hirail - PS2CD - $25.00 each.
BN (1), Cargill (2), CNW (3)


Shipping is $4.50 per order. VISA, MasterCard, Discover, American
Express accepted.


Thanks,
Bill

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Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 19 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: PROTO:64
To all

I recently posted a message asking for interest in PROTO: 64.
In response to a suggestion by Paul Yorke, maybe a description of "PROTO" is warranted.

PROTO: 64

I suppose generally it is about maintaining a fidelity to PROTOTYPE practices, in particular as it applies to the standards modelers use for Track and Wheels. I won't repeat here, that which can be obtained at other sites ( NMRA amongst others), though it generally describes an adherence to dimensions in keeping with 12""to foot practices.

Modelers have historically, for a number of reasons, used equipment that have out of proportion flanges running on larger (taller, thicker) rail than is correct for the scale.

Over the years various like-minded modelers have evolved a set of practices and standards that set out to emulate the real thing. This caused much heartache and frustration initially as people tried sourcing wheels with the correct flange and rail components with different tolerances to the convention of the day. Early doomsayers would have you believe that this courted trouble in the areas of keeping trains on tracks etc. It is true to say that track laying has to be pretty well spot on, but all in all if gone about properly a layout utilizing the PROTO concept is no less/more reliable. I know ther is more to it, but I'm trying to keep this outline to a general description.

Basically PROTO is just another path for modelers to consider. Not for everyone, but an interesting and enjoyable approach none the less.

The "64 " aspect is self-evident, it refers to the chosen scale; "S" or 1/64.

There is a growing list of manufacturers wishing to provide for the PROTO modeler, and most fortunately for the PROTO:64 venturer, prototype dimensions for "S" are mostly within the NMRA standards for HO. That is to say there are a lot of resources from a brother scale that might be re-employed for the benefit of the "S" modeler. Agreed, this does not hold for everything but certainly offers a valid starting point, without much effort.

There you go !! A brief (hopefully) outline of PROTO: 64. Again a previously suggested if anyone is interested maybe A SIG (special interest group) could be formed; doesn't need to be formal.

If wanted by this list, I could put together a more detailed profile,and resource guide ( I wouldn't mind hearing from anyone on this subject anyway!!)
I welcome comments!!!


Regards

Richard Snook

Frankston, AUSTRALIA
Group: S-Trains Message: 20 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: PROTO:64 postscript
P.S.

For those that might be intersted, and as an idea for modelers and especially those having "open layouts' "shows" and the like this November,I originally modeled in HO but was attracted to "S" by the potential to model with greater fidelity, and generally make models look less like models and more like running "little" prototypes. (Apologies to any minders of the English language). This might be an angle for promotion, as well as marketing of products. Its a niche market that would ADD to the number of "S" devotees. Hell HO wouldn't notice a 100 or so defectors but that might make a bit of difference to us. just a thought.


regards


Richard Snook
Group: S-Trains Message: 21 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 9/29/1998
Subject: Re: PROTO:64
Hi Richard and all,

I like the idea of Proto 64. I received literature for a while from the
Proto 48 people and was impressed with their accomplishments.

I don't know if I could measure up (joke) to Proto 64 but I would like
to help get the movement started. I bought some code 88 wheels from
DesPlaines and have tried to handlay code 100 rail to the NMRA finescale
standards - I don't know how that would fit in with Proto 64 but I am
willing to give it a shot.

Richard pointed out in another post that the main need is in track and
wheels. Perhaps the NMRA finescale standards would be enough and all we
need is several people who will share their experiences.

I think the idea of a SIG within NASG would be workable. It preserves
the existing structure and encourages people to work together rather
than splintering the group.

Art Armstrong
aarmstro@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 22 From: Hilary Smith Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: PROTO:64
S-Listers:

Since Richard seemed to be looking for a show of hands, count mine as being raised. My most recent non-S interest was Proto 48 where there is substantial track details, rail, flextrack (important because, as you know, O "scale" gauge measures out to 5') and so on. While S scale has a less developed Proto movement, Proto 48 can never do anything about the size of the scale, and to our eyes, S is the preferred size.

I am interested in track details, but as far as I know, the basic track detail, tie plates, is not available in S. So, I made up about 20 S scale tie plates (8 x 0.0135 holes on a beveled 0.121 x 0.242 plate made from laminated 0.010 and 0.005 styrene strips) but my results are not ready for prime time. Nonetheless, I've made a mold and cast about 60 of them using materials from Micro Mark. I plan to hand lay about 8 inches (!) of track to see how it looks.

Hilary Smith

Richard Snook wrote:

> From: Richard Snook <richard.snook@...>
>
> To all
>
> I recently posted a message asking for interest in PROTO: 64.
> In response to a suggestion by Paul Yorke, maybe a description of "PROTO" is warranted.
>
> PROTO: 64
>
> I suppose generally it is about maintaining a fidelity to PROTOTYPE practices, in particular as it applies to the standards modelers use for Track and Wheels. I won't repeat here, that which can be obtained at other sites ( NMRA amongst others), though it generally describes an adherence to dimensions in keeping with 12""to foot practices.
>
> Modelers have historically, for a number of reasons, used equipment that have out of proportion flanges running on larger (taller, thicker) rail than is correct for the scale.
>
> Over the years various like-minded modelers have evolved a set of practices and standards that set out to emulate the real thing. This caused much heartache and frustration initially as people tried sourcing wheels with the correct flange and rail components with different tolerances to the convention of the day. Early doomsayers would have you believe that this courted trouble in the areas of keeping trains on tracks etc. It is true to say that track laying has to be pretty well spot on, but all in all if gone about properly a layout utilizing the PROTO concept is no less/more reliable. I know ther is more to it, but I'm trying to keep this outline to a general description.
>
> Basically PROTO is just another path for modelers to consider. Not for everyone, but an interesting and enjoyable approach none the less.
>
> The "64 " aspect is self-evident, it refers to the chosen scale; "S" or 1/64.
>
> There is a growing list of manufacturers wishing to provide for the PROTO modeler, and most fortunately for the PROTO:64 venturer, prototype dimensions for "S" are mostly within the NMRA standards for HO. That is to say there are a lot of resources from a brother scale that might be re-employed for the benefit of the "S" modeler. Agreed, this does not hold for everything but certainly offers a valid starting point, without much effort.
>
> There you go !! A brief (hopefully) outline of PROTO: 64. Again a previously suggested if anyone is interested maybe A SIG (special interest group) could be formed; doesn't need to be formal.
>
> If wanted by this list, I could put together a more detailed profile,and resource guide ( I wouldn't mind hearing from anyone on this subject anyway!!)
> I welcome comments!!!
>
> Regards
>
> Richard Snook
>
> Frankston, AUSTRALIA
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 23 From: Alex Binkley Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: can help
This was posted on the R.M.R. list. If someone can help this fellow
Canuck, please contact him directly at glenna@...

>
> I have my Dads AF trainset and it requires new wheels. I'm not sure of
> the scale but it's the one with the three rails with each rail about one
> inch apart. It's a black 244 steam loco circa 193?. The wheels that
> require replacement are the small ones at both ends. The metal in
> disintegrating. Does anyone know where I might find a shop that could
> fix this or should I leave it alone. I was told that it could be
> valuable.

--
Alex Binkley
Hammond, Ont., Canada
<a href="mailto:alex.binkley@..." </a>
Group: S-Trains Message: 24 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: lack of choo-choo
Should an operator expect to get smoke and an audible choo-choo from later
production AF S-gauge steam engines like the 21088, 21089, or 21155? Or do
they basically only produce smoke? I recently looked at 21088 that spun
and smoked OK, but was silent even when I listened to it closely. When I
asked "where's the choo-choo", I was told that's normal. Is that right?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Group: S-Trains Message: 25 From: Bill Porter Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: S-Trains Proto 64
Hi Ya'all,

I suppose you have all seen the latest Model Railroader. It has a nice
two-page article on the various Proto:xx standards and approaches. There
is no listing for Proto:64 and that must be why Brother Richard Snook
raised the issue.

The best part of the article is the photographic contrast between Proto:
and 'normal' scale.

Bill Porter
Group: S-Trains Message: 26 From: thompson@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: PROTO:64
Hi,

Count me in as being interested in PROTO:64!
After my conversion (from HO) I started to
realize the possibilities of finer scale models
in S. One of my passions is track work and I'd
love to be able build some detail into it, like
tie plates and rail joint plates. I'd be interested
in looking into having these types of things
produced, is there a market (other then myself)?
As for wheels I think NWSL has PROTO:64 wheelsets.?

kbt
Group: S-Trains Message: 27 From: David Dewey Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: PROTO:64 postscript
Wow,
While it's beyond my capabilities, This sure does sound neat, and would,
I believe, attract some 'new blood' into S. gee, Tie plates even????Wow!!
More power (and parts) to ya!!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 28 From: David Dewey Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: lack of choo-choo
David,
The engines you mention use the HO unit, which can choo-choo more quitely
than the S ones, and the chassis are noisier running than the others. (so
the noise wipes out the choo-choo) however, spiders like to make their
little 'nests' in the choo-choo hole, you might want to check it out. I
don't have one handy, but I think you have to pull the piston out to look on
these. A little 'junk' here really wipes out the choo-choo.
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 29 From: David Dewey Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: can help
Alex,
My server couldn't make sense of Glenn's address. Is there a typo??
S'
David
Group: S-Trains Message: 30 From: aleisen@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Dremel Lathe
I have For Sale or Trade.

Dremel Moto Lathe Model 701 w/tools still in shrink wrap never used in
original box ( missing end flap and a little worn ). $150 If
anyone is interested email me direct.

Thanks AL



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Group: S-Trains Message: 31 From: kelvin white Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Alligators wanted. Raid the toy box!
Hi Folks

I have exhausted all of my UK contacts and ransacked every toy shop in
the area, all in search of model alligators!

I am building a small Sn3 logging layout based in the black water swamps
of South Carolina. To compliment the scene I need two or three S scale
alligators - whilst gators can exceed 20ft the average is 10-12 ft thus
I'm looking for models that are between 1 - 2.5 inches long.

Can you help - please send any suitable models to me at the address
below, I will reinburse you with $ cash.

Thanks in advance
--
Kelvin White
16 Brogden Close
North Hinksey
Oxford
OX2 9DS
England
Group: S-Trains Message: 32 From: kelvin white Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: 1990s modelling & P64
In message <907154091.4647@onelist.com>, S-Trains@onelist.com writes
>Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:37:39 +1000
> From: Richard Snook <richard.snook@...>
>Subject: Proto: 64
>
>G'Day all,
>
>Is there currently a PROTO: 64 SIG or similar, or is anyone interested in
>sharing an experiences in this area??
>
Plus
>
>G'Day all
>
>Would certainly welcome hearing from any one modelling modern era 80/90's.
>
Hi Richard

Second question first!
Most of my modelling is 1995 - 1998:
Northern Wisconsin shortline - pulp & paper trafic + sand.

For Shortline modelling:

You can use the AM GP9, GP35, SHS SW9 Brass GP 30, GP38, SD9 for EMD
power + Brass GE 44 tonner and if you are into exotic railfan power the
AM RS3 and Blw S12. However FP7s, FA2s etc are out in less you have a
diner train. With the exception of the SD9 forget about six axle power.

Freight cars: SHS Bulkhead Flat + 52ft flatcar, PS2 hopper (2+3 bay), AM
PS2CD 3 bay hopper + 4 bay ribbed open hopper + Railbox boxcar + Tank
Car. PRS 50ft boxcars single + double doors, plus ACF 3 bay hopper. Des
Plaines Hobbies H39 hopper + new 50ft FMC outside rib boxcar.Downes Tank
car kits

Modern Piggy Back cars are available from AM and Containers from Des
Plaines + a Coal Porter is still on the books.

In otherwords 1990s modelling is easy - and is what you see when you
visit.

Proto 64 - an old chestnut.

The British S scale Society work to Proto 64 standards - its possible -
it works. I don't use these standards for my American modelling as I
don't want to rewheel everything - and anyway I'm a lousy tracklayer.

Randy Wilson published in the September 1996 issue Cab Signals - his
thoughts on Proto 64 and standards but then confused the situation by
trying to work up standards that would also allow the running of code
110 wheels. To be blunt he cocked up! In finescale modelling your
standards have to work as a set and have consistent tollerances.
If you want to model Proto 64 use the SSMRS standards see their web
site.

Cab Signals was the Newsletter of the Modern Prototype `S'cale Modellers
SIG - but I believe it is now dead - I havn't received a Newsletter from
Dave Bailey since the Winter 96/97 issue. Can anybody give me an update
on this SIG?
--
Kelvin White
Oxford England
Group: S-Trains Message: 33 From: Boul, Lawrence Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: Proto64
[Boul, Lawrence] Count me in on the PROTO64 discussion.

As an Sn3.5 modeller my preferences may not be directly of interest to std
guagers, but a group of us here (NZ) have been working in the 'fine'
direction.

Concerning the availability of 'tieplates' I am in the process of getting
these etched in brass. They are designed for PECO code 80 rail which may be
too light for std guage exercises. If there is some interest it may be
possible to get them done for other rail sizes. You need an awful lot for
any amount of track though, so I hope your pockets are deep :-).

Lawrence
Group: S-Trains Message: 34 From: Paul Yorke Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Proto 64
I went in search of Proto 64 info on the web, here is what I found....

out at http://www.getnet.com/~dickg/nmra/sigs/Report-0396.html
One of the newer SIGs is the Modern Prototype "S"cale Modelers. This
group focuses on modern, diesel-era freight and passenger equipment in S
Scale and Proto:64. It was formed in recently from within the National
Association of S Gaugers (See December 1995 Bulletin) to exchange
information about modern prototype, S scale equipment. Past issues of
the group's newsletter, CAB SIGNALS, have covered relevant topics from
past NASG conventions, prototype news, and information of new products.
This is a fairly young group, which has recently reorganized, so I
suggest that those interested contact this group's coordinator for
further information.

and at http://www.getnet.com/~dickg/nmra/sigs/Report-1296.html
Modern Prototype "S"cale Modelers encourages Proto:64 Standard
Written by Randy Wilson

This group, organized to encourage models of modern prototypes in S
scale, has recently published a newsletter outlining the Proto:64
standard and offering some thoughts as to how it can be used. According
to an article written by Randy Wilson, the Proto:64 standard allows some
conventional S-scale equipment to be used on track work that supports
Proto:64 wheel sets. So S-scale enthusiasts need not convert all track
and wheel sets at the same time. Randy also reports that Des Plains
Hobbies, 1468 Lee Street, Des Plains, IL, 60018, is marketing 33" whee
sets with needle point axles, priced at $6.00 for four (one complete
car).

at http://users.vnet.net/paulrver/rp-3.html
they mention fine scale but not proto 64?

Does anybody know Randy? Randy! Are you out there?


--
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Group: S-Trains Message: 35 From: Bilfrazier@xxx.xxx Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: Atlantic shells
In a message dated 98-09-30 07:17:06 EDT, S-Trains@onelist.com writes:

<< Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:25:57 -0400
From: David_Horn@...
Subject: 302AC on a 303

Is the shell of a single piece die cast metal 302AC compatible with the
mechanism of an otherwise plastic-bodied 303? The 303 runs and looks
great, but its the engine I got for my first Christmas. We presently run
our equipment pretty avidly. The occasional wreck happens (also just like
the real thing). I'd like to reduce the risk of busting a step, etc. on
this engine if possible, yet we have a "no shelf-ware" policy. (After all,
they're trains, not trophies). There's a 302AC shell for sale, so I
thought this might be a nice way to "preserve" my 303, while at the same
time keep it running. Thanks in advance for your help.

Where there's smoke, there's Flyer.
>>
Any Flyer atlantic shell (plastic, single-cast or multi-cast) will fit any
atlantic mechanism. The only exception is that a reverse-in-boiler mechanism
needs a slot in the top of the boiler for the lever. Thus, you can mix and
match as you like. I have done this with a number of combinations, including
the one you mention. My favorite is a multi-cast shell (I filled the slot with
epoxy) on a pulmor smoke-in-boiler chassis, with an outside bearing (K5 type)
trailing truck. A plastic tender with added coal pusher and marker lights
completes the package.

Have fun,

Bill Frazier
Group: S-Trains Message: 36 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] S-Trains Proto 64
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Snook [SMTP:richard.snook@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 9:20 AM
To: 'Bill Porter'
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] S-Trains Proto 64

sorry all, wrong key!!
take 2

Bill and all

Ah NO!!, down way south here in the land of OZ we tend to run a month behind on cover dates, unlike you lucky ones who run a month ahead. I am salivating at the prospect of afore mentioned article.The reason I have broached this subject is simple. I have just recently discovered this great list and PROTO:64 has been an idea/ideal for me for a while , now I can readily talk to others about this and maybe get some synergy happening, possible get some manufacturers intersted and/or some cottage industry interaction. The fact that no PROTO:64 is mentioned is good and bad, here's the opportunity to put it on the map.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Porter [SMTP:wpporter@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:45 PM
To: S-Trains@onelist.com
Subject: [S-Trains] S-Trains Proto 64

From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...>

Hi Ya'all,

I suppose you have all seen the latest Model Railroader. It has a nice
two-page article on the various Proto:xx standards and approaches. There
is no listing for Proto:64 and that must be why Brother Richard Snook
raised the issue.

The best part of the article is the photographic contrast between Proto:
and 'normal' scale.

Bill Porter

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Group: S-Trains Message: 37 From: Richard Snook Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Tie Plates
Hello all

Just a quickie

Re Tie plates: I have been using some 0n3 tie plates that were available once (maybe now) from Grandt Line. I been using these in my attempts to make a switch tie master pattern . These were once , even here fairly readily available and are a very nice casting ( injected plastic).


regards


Richard Snook
Group: S-Trains Message: 38 From: Russcalla@aol.com Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2
I am currently attempting to restore a 21234 C&O geep. The top of the engine
cab and front hood need to be repainted, but the rest of the shell is in great
condition. I have purchased some floquil paint and added some white to the
blue to try for a color match. Close but not satisfied-----realizing the age
of the shell, I know it can't be perfect, but wanted to check if there is a
better paint or better approach to this part of the restoration?
thanks in advance, Russ Callahan
Group: S-Trains Message: 39 From: Ken Zieska Date: 9/30/1998
Subject: Proto 64
While I am not sure that the Minnesota Heartland is or ever will be
proto 64, I am always interested in sharing ideas with modelers in this
wonderful scale. I have tried different rail heights and hand laid
turnouts but never the code 88 wheel sets. I will make it a point to
get a few sets this fall at the S Fest.
Ken Z.
Group: S-Trains Message: 40 From: Mac Date: 10/1/1998
Subject: Re: Cleaning
I purchased a Frontier set on Ebay and, as described, the decals on the loco
and tender are really dirty. I would prefer to clean the original rather
than replace. Any suggestions as to how to clean them without getting out
the comet -:) -Thanks
Mac_________________________________________________________________________
______
Group: S-Trains Message: 41 From: Chris Palomarez Date: 10/1/1998
Subject: Proto:64
hello to all,
I'm just starting to enter the S scale market as a HO scale refugee.
I've determined my main focus will be in the fine scale relm of S scale
or Proto:64 if you will. I'm curious if there are track standards and
tollerances for P64 available over the web or in print that I might be
able to examine. I'm also in the process of developping Free-mo
standards for Proto:64. Considering this is a new scale for me, I will
most likely be seeking constructive criticism about drafted standards.
For those curious about the Free-mo modular approach, you may visit the
website at http://www.online-info.com/freehome.htm or
http://www.callamer.com/cafe/freemo/freehome.htm

Chris Palomarez
Group: S-Trains Message: 42 From: Hilary Smith Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Proto 64 & Tie Plates II
Richard:

Thanks so much for the heads up on the Grandt Line On3 plates. From my Grandt Line catalog, I am assuming you are referring to #9002, 4 hole Code 100 tie plates but there is no information on their width, length, and thickness. Would you mind posting those dimensions if it is not too
much trouble?

Have you used any of their joint bars?

Hilary Smith

Richard Snook wrote:

> From: Richard Snook <richard.snook@...>
>
> Hello all
>
> Just a quickie
>
> Re Tie plates: I have been using some 0n3 tie plates that were available once (maybe now) from Grandt Line. I been using these in my attempts to make a switch tie master pattern . These were once , even here fairly readily available and are a very nice casting ( injected plastic).
>
> regards
>
> Richard Snook
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 43 From: Hilary Smith Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Proto64 & Tieplates I
Lawrence:

I think it is wonderful that you are taking the initiative to have tieplates etched. If they are etched does that
mean they are completely flat -- with no channel for the rail base? I used this sort of tieplate in O when I hand
laid a little track and they look very realistic installed.

Back to your etchings. I am curious what it would cost to have a U.S. style tieplate (say, as I described in my
original post, 8 holes, 0.121x0.242 designed for the base of ME's Code 100) etched in brass? Let's see, at 21 inch
center-to-center tie spacing, that would make, mmmm, about 36 ties per foot, 72 tieplates per foot, or 7,200 per 100
feet of track. So a reasonable first order might be 10,000? I would be happy with a rough estimate or maybe I'd
faint dead away <g>.

Hilary Smith

Boul, Lawrence wrote:

> From: "Boul, Lawrence" <Boul@...>
>
> [Boul, Lawrence] Count me in on the PROTO64 discussion.
>
> As an Sn3.5 modeller my preferences may not be directly of interest to std
> guagers, but a group of us here (NZ) have been working in the 'fine'
> direction.
>
> Concerning the availability of 'tieplates' I am in the process of getting
> these etched in brass. They are designed for PECO code 80 rail which may be
> too light for std guage exercises. If there is some interest it may be
> possible to get them done for other rail sizes. You need an awful lot for
> any amount of track though, so I hope your pockets are deep :-).
>
> Lawrence
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Group: S-Trains Message: 44 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: [Fwd: Proto 64 info]
I assume this was for all to read. (Paul)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 45 From: BenTrous@xxx.xxx Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Tie Plates
Whoa!

I've been thinking about tie plates recently. I'm gearing up to start laying
the track for my new set up. Got the planning done; templates for the first 8
turnouts popped out of the plotter two nights ago, got rails, ties and spikes,
but where are the tie plates? I'm thinking what a waste to do all this
handcrafted track work without tie plates.

Went to the hobby store yesterday and sure enough Walthers Large Scale Catalog
in the 0 scale section under Grandt Line are list tie plates for code 125 and
code 100.

Ben Trousdale
Group: S-Trains Message: 46 From: thompson@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: For sale or trade
Hi,

I'm not sure what the policy is for "For Sale" messages
on this list. If it's a no-no, please accept my apology
and ignore this message.

If it's ok.... I am looking to sell or trade a SouthWind
Models 2-8-0, painted Union Pacific, scale. It's new, in
the box and since I don't yet have a layout it's never
been run. For those of you who were at the NASG convention,
it was the prize for the amateur class in the model contest.

I realy hate to part with it because it was such a big
deal for me winning my class. But I'm a Pennsy fan and
no matter how hard i squint Pennsy didn't quite have a
locomotive like this. I also would not attempt to kitbash
such a beautfull model into a Pennsy class, as some have
suggested! :)

What I'd really like to do is to trade for a brass M1/M1a
or some other Pennsy brass. Otherwise i'd sell it for
$950+shipping/insurance (then i can go a buy a M1a!).

If interested please email or call:

keith.thompson@...
978-442-0309 (day number EST)

Thanks,
kbt
Group: S-Trains Message: 47 From: thompson@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: S Gauge Heavy Equipment ???
Hi,

I pulled this off the rec.models.railroad news group... don't
be shy, let's get some S feedback to this guy.

kbt

--------------


We at C&D Moddels are taking a survey of things S and HO railroaders would like
to see. In the equipment area is there any interest in high detail construction
equipment?? If so what type of stuff are you looking for. If you would like to
respond e-mail Greg at CDModels@...

Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 48 From: TPLCoMinn@xxx.xxx Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: M&StL Hoppers
Kelvin,
You are right with the paints scheme. Lt. Grey with large M&StL on left and
full name in white band on the right. The 2 bay car will say "For Cement
Service Only", and the 3 bay will say "For Grain Service Only" per the
prototype; in the lower portion of the center panel. These will be a limited
run of 2 car sets (one 2 bay and one 3 bay per box). We will have pictures on
the Net soon....

Tom Lennon
Group: S-Trains Message: 49 From: TPLCoMinn@xxx.xxx Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Proto: 64
Count me in! Tho' my interest is really in the early steam era, finescale is
finescale. I have tried both the finescale NWSL wheelsets and the Code 88's
from Ron S at Des Plaines and both make a real difference in the appearance of
models. It does, however, accentuate the overscale thickness of the currently
available truck sideframes (necessary to mask the oversize, undergauge
wheelsets in use). I have also built one of Alan Gibson's wonderful brass
engine kits. The British gauging standard is slightly wider than US customary
practice, but can easily be narrowed if you choose to use Tomalco or Shinohara
flex track. If you hand lay track, then no problem.
Kelvin could probably help obtain a set of the British exact scale track
gauging standards. As I recall, they widen their gauge slightly in curves???
I wrote to Alan, a year or so back, to ask if he was interested in producing a
kit or two for US early steam prototypes. He was booked full at that time.
How many out there would build a USRA 0-6-0 or a Ma & Pa 2-8-0?

Tom Lennon
Group: S-Trains Message: 50 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: S Gauge Heavy Equipment ???
The following was posted on the rec.models.railroad list. if you
are interested, contact these guys.
>
> We at C&D Moddels are taking a survey of things S and HO railroaders would like
> to see. In the equipment area is there any interest in high detail construction
> equipment?? If so what type of stuff are you looking for. If you would like to
> respond e-mail Greg at CDModels@...
>
> Thanks

--
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Hammond, Ont., Canada
<a href="mailto:alex.binkley@..." </a>
Group: S-Trains Message: 51 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: proto 64
In addition to an interest in Proto 64 which I think that Ron Sebastien
from Desplaines is a promotor of, there is also a modern S scale group
which I joined a year otr so ago and have heard nothing more from. Does
anyone know if this group is still going. Not to take anything away from
this forum, it would be good to hear more about proto 64.
cheers
--
Alex Binkley
Hammond, Ont., Canada
<a href="mailto:alex.binkley@..." </a>
Group: S-Trains Message: 52 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Dis & Dat
Mentioned in recent notes ...
Alan Gibson's Model Products see
http://members.tripod.com/~PaulYorke/Gibson/gibson1.htm

Also...
"For Sale" or "Wanted" or "Big Sale" are all ok on this list, buying
and selling is a big part of trains.

And...
Greg at CDModels@... is a subscriber to this list.

On the web...
I added another page to the 'How to build a railroad..." see
http://members.tripod.com/~PaulYorke/davis/girder.htm

DesPlaines Hobbise is on the web at...
http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/

See all you 'Chat' folks on Sunday.
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American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers
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Group: S-Trains Message: 53 From: Jim Allen Date: 10/2/1998
Subject: Rectifier
Hello,

Does anyone know of a company(s) that make rectifiers / rectiformers?
The only ones I have seen are the older AF #15 and #14.

Thanks for the help.
Group: S-Trains Message: 54 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Proto 64 info
Second try...
(also see my note at end.)
I got this the other day...
Subject: Proto 64 info
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:38:39 -0400
From: Alan Evans <rockyfork@...>
To: yorke@...
CC: Robin@..., thunderber@...,
jeichmann@..., foley164@...



Hello friends:

Several questions have come up regarding Proto:64, and I'd like
to
provide some background. (The article on page 120 of the November 98
MODEL RAILROADER again left S scale out of the picture!)
In September 1994 I received (as president of NASG) a copy of a
letter
from Randy Wilson, chairman of the NMRA Proto:Scale Committee. He sent
it to NASG Standards Chairman Bob Sherwood regarding NASG Standards and
an interface with the NMRA Engineering Dept. Also, Randy asked Dave
Bailey to accept a committee position as the Proto:64 Coordinator.
He goes on, and I quote, "I would like to replace the existing
NMRA
Standard S3 and S4 for S scale with the NASG numbers, but there may be
some need for minor adjustments which would not affect manufacturing or
modelers, but would speak to an existing NMRA requirement. This is not a

short term issue, but I would like to begin down the path towards
accpetance by all concerned parties."
In December 1995, after some discussion with previous members of
the
NASG Standards Committee (Barney Daehler, Wayne Pier, Lee Johnson, and
others), Randy sent another letter. I quote (in part), "There is no
question that the current RP's (Recommended Practices) of NMRA should be

revised and upgraded to Standards; there is also no question that the
void left by this upgrade should be filled with Proto:64, the next
logical evolution. The importance of forwarding our best available
engineering to NMRA is equaled by the need for the presenter to be the
foremost representative of the NASG."
(So Proto:64 has been reviewed by Randy Wilson. I'm surprised he
didn't
include his name in the "For More Details" column at the end of the MR
article.)
As I was (and still am!) a neophyte in fine scale (my trackwork
leaves
something to be desired!), I suggested at the time (1995) that Bob
Sherwood collaborate with Randy and write an article for the NASG
Dispatch magazine about Proto:64. It has yet to appear.

Here are current addresses:

Alan Evans rockyfork@...
Box 30345
Gahanna, OH 43230-0345
(614) 471-7277

Randy Wilson
Model America
330 Livingston Ave.
Placentia, CA 92870

Bob Sherwood Softmoods@...
410 E. 24th St.
Cheyenne, WY 82001

I would encourage Art Armstrong to pursue the NASG SIG to get
something
going. IT WOULD INDEED BE WORKABLE WITHIN NASG, and I applaud his
efforts.


Feel free to call me, Art, and I'll give you some other names to

contact as possible SIG members. Some of them are currently on the
S-Trains network.

Always willing to talk "S",

Alan Evans






WAYNE_L_PIER@...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I will put any additional 'Standards info on S-trains' there is some of
it at
http://members.tripod.com/~PaulYorke/smod/standard.htm
If there are additional S standards, I would love to post them. (Paul)

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Group: S-Trains Message: 55 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Proto: 64
I don't believe that I will try and convert to
tighter track/wheel standards, but I sure
like the idea of detailing the trackwork using
joint bars (which I bought several years ago)
and tie plates. Now, do we cut the rail into
39' lengths to get clickety-clack? Maybe
the rail could be scribed to get that effect
without actually cutting it?

Can I do NEW track construction to PROTO
standards, and run existing stock?

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 56 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Re: Proto 64 info
Hello all -

Seeing my name on the S-list post (below) gave me the same shock I would
get from seeing my picture on the Post Office "wanted" board.

I am definitely interested in Proto 64 and am glad to hear that there
has been a lot of movement in this direction now and in the past. But! I
don't consider myself qualified to take over such a task. I am not a
first rate modeler and I am not an engineer but I want something like
Proto 64 to serve as a goal and to inspire manufacturers to provide more
scale material.

I would be happy to help an endeavor like this in any way I could but
before I can jump into this particular fire I would like to know more of
the history and the reasons that the effort died - apparently sometime
in 1995. Paul Yorke has mentioned that some of those involved in the
past are on this list. If so, could we hear some of the reaons and the
status of the movement? Perhaps all the necessary standards are
available and it just takes a little organizing to present them to the
NASG and NMRA?

Please keep the effort moving. We have had several posts to this list
from other modelers looking for Proto 64 - it certainly is a worthwhile
thing to pursue and perhaps we are closer to achieving this than we
realized.

Art Armstrong
aarmstro@...
------------------------
Paul Yorke wrote:
>
I got this the other day...
> Subject: Proto 64 info
> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:38:39 -0400
> From: Alan Evans <rockyfork@...>
>
(big clip)

> I would encourage Art Armstrong to pursue the NASG SIG to get
> something
> going. IT WOULD INDEED BE WORKABLE WITHIN NASG, and I applaud his
> efforts.
>
(clip)
>
> Alan Evans
>
> WAYNE_L_PIER@...
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 57 From: Bilfrazier@xxx.xxx Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Re: Rectifiers /rectiformers
Jim Allen asked about rectifiers:

Selenium rectifiers such as the #15 and vacuum tube rectifiers such as #14 and
#16 are no longer manufactured, as far as I know. They were no longer "state
of the art" about 30 or 40 years ago. They have been replaced by solid state
devices such as silicon rectifiers. If your object is to just run your trains
on DC, use a bridge rectifier such as radio shack 276-1185 and a reversing
switch with your transformer. If you need more info, how to wire, etc. let me
know.
I use both silicon rectifiers with transformers and old AF rectiformers
myself. I think that that glowing vacuum tube is neat! Replacement vacuum
tubes are available for rectiformers.

Bill Frazier
Group: S-Trains Message: 58 From: Dennis Back Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: 742 reversing handcar
Hi to all:

Does anyone know where there is a 742 reversing handcar for sale. It
doesn't have to be perfect (the cheaper-the better). I'd just like it
to run!


Thanks,
Dennis Back
Miami, Fl.

backden@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 59 From: Chuck Smith Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5
S-Trains@onelist.com wrote:
>
> 9. Rectifier
> From: Jim Allen <jallen@...>

> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:31:52 -0700
> From: Jim Allen <jallen@...>
> Subject: Rectifier
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know of a company(s) that make rectifiers / rectiformers?
> The only ones I have seen are the older AF #15 and #14.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
I don't know of a company. However, if all you want to do is create DC
output then read on. If this isn't what you want then maybe someone
else can use this info. Not sure whether you are familiar with putting
a bridge rectifier on a regular AC transformer to get DC output. You
don't need to do anything more than hook up the AC leads of the bridge
to your transformer and use the DC leads as output. Bridge rectifiers
are available from Radio Shack for about a buck twenty nine. A rating of
about 50PIV will work best. Radio shack will even sell you a little
project box to put the thing in neatly. The larger ones (100PIV) seem
to drag output down more. You can also check out power supplies for O
or G gauge trains that provide a DC track output, provided they have a
current output of at least a few amps (preferably about 4-5 amps or,
say, 75 Watts).
To get fancier: If you also want to enable polarity reversing then wire
a Double Pole Double Throw switch into the rectifier output lines. Now,
if you want to increase the output voltage a little put a 2000mfd
capacitor across the output. This smooths out the unfiltered DC from
the rectifier. If you switch it out of the circuit you have a
rudimentary "pulse power". Motors start more slowly and creep better
when the DC is not filtered.
--
"It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers and the
S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith
Group: S-Trains Message: 60 From: M. McConnell Date: 10/3/1998
Subject: Help finding geneology info
A friend of mine asked for help in their genelogy research. They are
looking for an Uncle that worked on the Erie Railroad in New York State as
a fireman in 1924. Does anyone know of a source of information on past
employees for such research?

Thanks,
Michael McConnell
South Jersey S Gaugers
Group: S-Trains Message: 61 From: kelvin white Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: SSMRS - PROTO 64 standards
In message <907415675.28278@onelist.com>, S-Trains@onelist.com writes
>Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:16:37 EDT
> From: TPLCoMinn@...
>Subject: Proto: 64
>
>Count me in! Tho' my interest is really in the early steam era, finescale is
>finescale. I have tried both the finescale NWSL wheelsets and the Code 88's
>from Ron S at Des Plaines and both make a real difference in the appearance of
>models. Kelvin could probably help obtain a set of the British exact scale track
>gauging standards.

Full S Scale Model Railway Society Track & Wheel Standards can be found
at: http://freespace.virgin.net/jim.gutherie/sst01.html

Jim a SSMRS member also has photos on this WWW site of East Lynn the
very fine GER layout of Trevor Nunn. East Lynn, and 3 other Scale
Layouts including my own Kerneekee (MK2 don't ask about MK1)! will be on
display at the Model Railway Clubs HQ at Keen House in Kings Cross
London this coming Saturday October 10th. So if you are on this side of
the pond.... more details upon request.

>As I recall, they widen their gauge slightly in curves???
Correct. but then the prototype does as well if it ran on the radius
that we try.

>I wrote to Alan Gibson

> a year or so back, to ask if he was interested in producing a
>kit or two for US early steam prototypes. He was booked full at that time.
>How many out there would build a USRA 0-6-0 or a Ma & Pa 2-8-0?

As I'm getting into steam @ present the answer is a yes from me.

Kelvin White
Oxford England.
Group: S-Trains Message: 62 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Proto 64
I have been building one of the Pacific Rail Shops Reefers (NP of
course) and want to say again how much the PBL nippers assist in the
project. The nippers take the parts off the sprue without distortion,
leaving a clean part, ready for assembly. As I am building the kit, I
am also reading a discussion in the Freight Car list about people not
wanting to build kits anymore. Considering that this seems correct, I
am glad to hear people wanting to detail their track work. Maybe there
are a few craftsperson's left in the hobby.
At this time, I share Ted's idea. I am not likely to redo my track
work to a tighter standard. My layout is reliable, trains track well,
there is little problem with derailments that is not caused by poor
workmanship on the offending car. I like the idea of additional track
detail, I know that just painting the rail and weathering the ballast
makes a big difference. I can see working more detail into to special
scenes and then expanding it as time is a great way to make sure the
layout is never done.
I will schedule a "clinic" on proto 64 for the NASG 1999 convention
if a moderator is willing to step forward. If a picture is worth a
thousand words, sharing information first hand is worth a million.
Group: S-Trains Message: 63 From: HSage3@xxx.xxx Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6
In a message dated 10/4/98 6:28:26 AM EST, Ted Larson writes:

<< Now, do we cut the rail into
39' lengths to get clickety-clack? Maybe
the rail could be scribed to get that effect
without actually cutting it?>>

Many years ago, a good friend of mine cut a piece of rail to a scale 39' (in
his case HO), and then using a Dremel tool he cut notches into the rail. It
worked like a charm! Just remember to offset the joints.

Harry
Group: S-Trains Message: 64 From: Boul, Lawrence Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6
> Subject: Proto: 64
>
>
> I don't believe that I will try and convert to
> tighter track/wheel standards, but I sure
> like the idea of detailing the trackwork using
> joint bars (which I bought several years ago)
> and tie plates. Now, do we cut the rail into
> 39' lengths to get clickety-clack? Maybe
> the rail could be scribed to get that effect
> without actually cutting it?
>
[Boul, Lawrence] If you want to do this DO NOT notch or cut the rail every
scale 42' or whatever is std on your road. When you hear that old
'clickerty-click' on the real thing your are either 1) on the train and
hearing a few wheelsets hit every joint, ot 2) on the ground hearing every
wheelset hit 1 joint. If you notch all joints on the model, what you hear
is all wheelsets on many joints, which is neither the familiar click-click,
nor pleasant. I would suggest leaving only a few larger than normal gaps on
straight track. Bridges are good for this as you get natural amplification.

> Can I do NEW track construction to PROTO
> standards, and run existing stock?
>
[Boul, Lawrence] Probably not, though in Sn3.5 we are making some progress
towards scale wheels while still using NMRA std HO track. This is a useful
evolution as it enables the stock to be converted separately (and
progressively) to the layout. The track guage is pretty good anyway, but a
tightening of tolerances in the turnouts will be possible later on.

Lawrence
Group: S-Trains Message: 65 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Cars
Someone recently asked the size of prototype
cars, so that they could judge whether various
toy cars are the "right" size. I went to a car
show today and took some measurements.
(These lengths might be off by a few inches.)

Length Width Height

'40 Chev 15' (not including bumpers)
6' 69"
'47 Ford 198" bumper to bumper
6' 69-1/2"
'50 Buick 17-1/2' 6-1/2' 67"
'59 Cadillac 19' 7' 56"
'59 Ranchero 17-1/2" 6-1/4' 59"
'60 T-bird 17 6-1/2' 54"
'62 Lark 15-1/2' 5'-10" 60"
'59 Chev 18' 6'-9" 59"
'51 Chev Pickup 6'
68-1/2" from bottom of running board
to top of door


Now, compare these measurements to the
recent Johnny Lightning and Mint Editions
pickups, keeping in mind that the '40's cars
and trucks were basically the same from the
front seat forward; therefore same height and
width.

Johnny Lightning Pickups
'40 Ford 16' 5-1/2' 6'
'50 Ford 15-1/4' 5-3/4' 6'
'78 Dodge 15-3/4' 6' 5-3/4'
'60 Stude 15-3/4' 5-3/4' 5-1/4'
'55 Chev 15-3/4' 6' 6'

Mint Editions Pickups
(Can't measure these through the packing as well.)
'53 Ford 6-1/2' 7'
'48 Ford 6-1/4' 6-1/2'
'40 Ford 6' 6-1/2'
'50 Chev 16-3/4' 6' 6'
'65 Ford 6' 5-1/2'

So which ones are "right"????????????
I'd say the closer they are to 6' wide and
6' high, the closer to 1:64th scale they are.

AND, everybody who is unhappy about these
NOT being exactly 1:64th, look up the manufacturers
address on their web page and write to them!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 66 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: More thoughts
Just a few more thoughts on trackwork. Before you go cutting your rail
every 39 feet, consider how lound that will be. I tried it using a
dremel tool and found it objectionable. If you think about it in real
life, you are only going to hear the clicking of a few joints. If you
are running a S train of 14 cars, you will hear the clicking of all 14
cars, the sound of metal wheels and the sound of the engine. If you add
sound to the engine, the sound can get overwhelming. I realize that the
size of your layout, the room you are in and many other factors will
influence how loud the layout gets so I am interested in hearing other
people's experience. One thing that I think is very exciting about this
discussion is that we are trying to model so all of our senses get
involved. Anyone have an idea for a good Mars light? How about Diesel
and coal scented smoke?
I heard from a fellow S modeler who is working on a project to produce a
Northern Pacific caboose in S (brass). He is considering the 1700
series with four paint schemes or two of the 1700 schemes and two of the
1200 schemes. Both of these are wood cabeese (?) suitable for steam and
diesel operation. If you have seen the Kinsman NP caboose, you know the
style of caboose. As soon as I hear that the project is closer to
reality, I will scan a phot that can be posted to the web. By the way,
he is also considering a small run of NP Atlantics that can be done with
the project Southwind is working on. If you like either of these
projects let Southwind know.
Group: S-Trains Message: 67 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Cars (revised)
Revision 1
Someone recently asked the size of prototype
cars, so that they could judge whether various
toy cars are the "right" size. I went to a car
show today and took some measurements.
(These lengths might be off by a few inches.)

Length Width Height

'40 Chev 15' (not including bumpers)
6' 69"
'47 Ford 16-1/2' bumper to bumper
6' 69-1/2"
'50 Buick 17-1/2' 6-1/2' 67"
'59 Cadillac 19' 7' 56"
'59 Ranchero 17-1/2" 6-1/4' 59"
'60 T-bird 17 6-1/2' 54"
'62 Lark 15-1/2' 5'-10" 60"
'59 Chev 18' 6'-9" 59"
'51 Chev Pickup 6'
68-1/2" from bottom of running board
to top of door


Now, compare these measurements to the
recent Johnny Lightning and Mint Editions
pickups, keeping in mind that the '40's cars
and trucks were basically the same from the
front seat forward; therefore same height and
width.

Johnny Lightning Pickups
'40 Ford 16' 5-1/2' 6'
'50 Ford 15-1/4' 5-3/4' 6'
'78 Dodge 15-3/4' 6' 5-3/4'
'60 Stude 15-3/4' 5-3/4' 5-1/4'
'55 Chev 15-3/4' 6' 6'

Mint Editions Pickups
(Can't measure the length through the packaging.)
'53 Ford 6-1/2' 7'
'48 Ford 6-1/4' 6-1/2'
'40 Ford 16-3/4' 6' 6-1/2'
'50 Chev 16-3/4' 6' 6'
'65 Ford 6' 5-1/2'
'59 Ford 6' 6-1/2'
Sits high, like 4 wheel drive
'57 Ranchero 6' 5'
compared to the 6-1/4' foot width of the
REAL Ranchero above, this is slightly
undersize, but its packaging calls it 1:55th!!
Go figger!

Other Comparisons:

Old Hot Wheels '56 Ford
14-1/2' 6' 5-3/4'
Recent Matchbox Ford Stepside
15' (bed is short)
6-1/2' 6'
Majorette Jeep Cherokee
15-3/4' 6-1/2'
HIGH (4 wheel drive)
Old Ertl Mid-60's Chev
15-1/2' 6-1/4' 5-1/2'
Hot Wheel Jeep Pickup
15-1/2' 5-3/4'
High, 4 wheel drive


So which ones are "right"????????????
Some are almost dead on!
I'd say the closer they are to 6' wide and
for the older trucks, 6' high,
the closer to 1:64th scale they are.
Also, compare the size of the cabs on the '48-50
Ford pickups with the Hartoy '48 Ford cab.
They should have the same size doors, hoods,
grills. They should "look" right.

All things considered, I'd say that the Mint
Editions '53 Ford is TOO Large (even the
tires are larger than on the other trucks -
These measure about 33" diameter - real
15" tires are about 27" diameter).
AND, I'd say the Mint Editions '40 and '50
Ford are closer to correct size than are
the JL '40 and '48 Fords.
Other than that, they all look fairly close,
even though you can tell from the sizes of
the real ones that they are not all exactly
right.

AND, everybody who is unhappy about these
NOT being exactly 1:64th, look up the manufacturers
address on their web page and write to them!
Tell 'em we want 'em exactly 1:64 to match the
collectible trucks (Winross, Hartoy, Ertl) and
collectible farm tractors (Ertl).

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Group: S-Trains Message: 68 From: Vic Bereskin Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Re: Reversing Handcar
I know the feeling. I would like to find a source for reversing switches
for the 742 handcar so that I can get mine into proper working order. I've
tried all sorts of jerry-rigged substitutes, but nothing I can rig up that
is functional will fit in the shell.


> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:22:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dennis Back <backden@...>
>Subject: 742 reversing handcar
>
>Hi to all:
>
>Does anyone know where there is a 742 reversing handcar for sale. It
>doesn't have to be perfect (the cheaper-the better). I'd just like it
>to run!
>
>
>Thanks,
>Dennis Back
>Miami, Fl.
Group: S-Trains Message: 69 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: PROTO:64 interest
To all

Everyone, I think it is just marvellous; the amount of contact I've received re PROTO:64. It is all very promising. I occurrs to me that a lot, well for this scale, of fellow modellers have pondered this very subject. Now the NET makes it easier and quicker to get feedback. Seems like this is not the first time this has been mooted, but possibly the best reaction to date to the idea??. When I get a moment I will amalgamate that which I have received to date into a .DOC and post it for all. As it is I'm about to start a couple of modules, for the ever..I'll have that layout ..one day!!! . I will be applying my own quasi standards of sorts which will combine the best of "S" finescale as previously published in conjuction with the dimensions for #88 HO finescale wheels.. these scale out very very close to the real thing, flange is a bit ( about .1 mm) deep, but maybe practical.This will be flavoured with standards as applied (published) for PROTO:48. I'm lucky (sic) being a relative loner in this scale and application where I live..Melbourne,Australia that I needn't worry too much about inter operability with others ( hello any other "S" scalers in Melbourne..Victoria.Australia???). But it would be nice to eventually have a recognised format for all to work with, especially manufacturers.

regards

Richard Snook
Group: S-Trains Message: 70 From: David Dewey Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Rail Joints
Lots of good points there. Another one is that the 'clickity-clack'
sound is of wheels dropping in and out of a 'hole' in the railhead. This
causes wear!!
I would think that one or two such joints on a layout, near the front
where the audience can hear it would provide the 'effect'. After all, when
you are standing at the station, or grade crossing, or your favorite viewing
point (in front of the photoline, in a red plaid shirt!<G>), you can't hear
the joints until the engine is far away enough so it isn't filling the air
with it's sounds. That's kinda hard to do in scale, the loco's still too
close! An excuse to run loooong trains!!!
Have fun!!
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 71 From: Hilary Smith Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Re: S Gauge Heavy Equipment ???
S-sters:

I suppose we could vote in this forum given that Greg of CDModels seems to be on the list. Personally, I'd like to
seem some log loading equipment -- I know it's not construction but . . . Whatever they used 40-50 years ago in the
Pacific NW to put logs onto stake-side flats.

Hilary Smith
Northern Virginia



>
> > We at C&D Moddels are taking a survey of things S and HO railroaders would like
> > to see. In the equipment area is there any interest in high detail construction
> > equipment?? If so what type of stuff are you looking for. If you would like to
> > respond e-mail Greg at CDModels@...
> >
> > Thanks
Group: S-Trains Message: 72 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Utility Truck
Matchbox has a power company boom truck,
for lifting linemen up to work. It appears to be
about HO size, and is a large heavy duty
truck. If however you removed the back half
and grafted it to an S scale pickup truck cab,
you would have a small light duty utility truck!

Looks like something your RR communications
crew would enjoy having!

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Group: S-Trains Message: 73 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Re: More thoughts
Ken Zieska wrote:



> How about Diesel and coal scented smoke?

I have some coal scented smoke fluid made Lehigh Valley Train Service (LVTS) They also make diesel scented smoke,
but why that would be used in flyer steam locos is unclear to me. I have been a bit hesitant to use my coal scented
smoke in anything I wasn't planning on rebuilding. When I got it, you could see a slight residue in the bottom of
the bottle, which I presume is coal tar, and I couldn't help thinking that it might build up in the wick and not have
the most beneficial results on the smoke unit itself. If anyone has any thoughts on this, please share them.

Dale Smith
Group: S-Trains Message: 74 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: Proto:64
While I was browsing in NMRA standards on the web I found this
comparison.

Tire width
Proto:48 .115 (5.52 inches prototype)
S Fine .108 (6.912 inches prototype)

an S scale code 88 wheel scales to 5.632 prototype and it is available
now.

Flange depth
Proto:48 .031 (1.488 inches prototype)
S fine .030 (1.92 inches prototype)

The comparison to Proto:48 is only because I assume they have done a lot
of work investigating the physics of wheel performance and their
dimensions represent the closest to scale that can be achieved for them.

Probably for S with lighter weight we could not expect to do as well.

Art Armstrong
aarmstro@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 75 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 10/4/1998
Subject: proto64
Hello - I found this on the NMRA website Sig report for December 1996.

This suggests that Proto 64 is an accomplished set of standards. I have
not seen any other mention of it. Is there anyone on this list who can
preovide more information?

Art Armstrong
aarmstro@...

-------------
From the NMRA website
from a December 1996 report
------------------

Modern Prototype "S"cale Modelers encourages Proto:64 Standard
Written by Randy Wilson

This group, organized to encourage models of modern prototypes in S
scale, has recently published a newsletter outlining the Proto:64
standard and offering some thoughts as to how it can be used.

According to an article written by Randy Wilson, the Proto:64 standard
allows some conventional S-scale equipment to be used on track work that
supports Proto:64 wheel sets. So S-scale enthusiasts need not convert
all track and wheel sets at the same time. Randy also reports that Des
Plains Hobbies, 1468 Lee Street, Des Plains, IL, 60018, is marketing 33"
whee sets with needle point axles, priced at $6.00 for four (one
complete car).
Group: S-Trains Message: 76 From: kelvin white Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: Proto 64 & slide clinics
In message <907590791.30552@onelist.com>, S-Trains@onelist.com writes
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:27:28 -0500
> From: Ken Zieska <mhrr@...>
>Subject: Proto 64
>
> I will schedule a "clinic" on proto 64 for the NASG 1999 convention
>if a moderator is willing to step forward. If a picture is worth a
>thousand words, sharing information first hand is worth a million.
>
I will try and remember to bring some of the SSMRS wheel sets with me to
compare with 'your' Proto 64.

Incidently I screwed up the SSMRS web site address by miss spelling Jim
Guthrie's surname the web address is:
http://freespace.virgin.net/jim.guthrie/sst01.html

At the Altoona NASG convention I gave a slide show of British S scale
and my own S scale modelling (ego trip time), do you want a similar
clinic for Minneapolis?

>

--
Kelvin White
Oxford England
Group: S-Trains Message: 77 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: Re: smoke fluids
In a message dated 10/5/98 8:36:41 AM, you wrote:

<<I have some coal scented smoke fluid made Lehigh Valley Train Service (LVTS)
They also make diesel scented smoke,

but why that would be used in flyer steam locos is unclear to me. I have
been a bit hesitant to use my coal scented

smoke in anything I wasn't planning on rebuilding. When I got it, you could
see a slight residue in the bottom of

the bottle, which I presume is coal tar, and I couldn't help thinking that it
might build up in the wick and not have

the most beneficial results on the smoke unit itself. If anyone has any
thoughts on this, please share them.

>>

We carry all 8 "flavors" of LV smoke fluid. Most sales of the diesel fluid are
for folks who have some sort of unit hidden within a diesel service
facility....not in an engine.
As for the coal fluid....I've never had a complaint about it gumming up a
unit, but it's not a real popular scent. In fact, personally, I don't even
like it. Nothing beats the AF odor, even though it's cedarwood.....which isn't
too realistic!
Other "flavors" available include hickory, fir, balsam (christmas tree), the
Lionel odor, and natural (unscented).
Doug Peck 978-465-8798 (Phone or Fax)
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Port Lines @ aol.com http://trainweb.com/crocon/portlines.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 78 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: Two Items
One: Does anybody know where the Sn3 page that was at
http://129.93.226.138/rr/sn3/sn3www.htm
has been moved?

Two: Railway Model Design Software, Developed by � S�bastien MARCHANT,
at http://members.tripod.com/~PaulYorke/railway.htm. I have fixed the
broken link to the zip file.

--
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American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers
http://www.gate.net/~yorke (alt e-mail paulyork@...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 79 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: Re: Proto 64
I just wanted to add my two cents about the Proto64 discussion that's been
going on the last few days.

I've used the Grandt Line tie plates and PSC fish plates, as well as the old
"bolted" Lambert rail joiners with handlaid code 100 rail and I've been
ecstatic with the looks but frustrated with the time it takes. Therefore,
I'm only (WARNING VERBED-NOUN AHEAD) "quasi-Proto64ing" the stuff that's
close to the front of the layout or that will show up in photos.

I'll try to get some photos posted on my East Texas Belt web site
(http://www.wolfenet.com/~kthompso/ETB/) over the next couple of days to let
you all judge for yourself if it's worth it. I certainly wouldn't go protoXX
in HO because of the small size and because when you mix measuring systems
(3.5mm=1' for 1:87.1), something's bound to get lost in the transfusion.
However, to paraphrase my doctor friends, the bleeding will stop and you'll
switch to S scale. - Keith Thompson
Group: S-Trains Message: 80 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: Ideas
>>We at C&D Moddels are taking a survey of things S and HO railroaders
would like
to see. In the equipment area is there any interest in high detail
construction
equipment?? If so what type of stuff are you looking for. If you would
like to
respond e-mail Greg at CDModels@...
Thanks<<

I would like to see;
- a concrete truck body that could be grafted to a Hartoy or other S
scale truck.
- hi-rail wheels and mounting gear that could be grafted to "" "" ""
""".
- a dump truck body "" "" "" ""'
- Some CAT dozers would be nice; D8 or so.
- a small factory size forklift, also that is right size for driving into
a boxcar
to load it.
- an older (50's-60's) style of front end loader, road grader,

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 81 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/5/1998
Subject: S Stuff
C-D models are the guys who make farm equipment. I have not been out to
see their factory but the images I saw on the web are fantastic.
Contest model farm equipment to compliment your contest quality
freightcars.
Thanks for all the help in finding chevy's for the layout. Now where is
my SD-oop's I guess I have been there before haven't I 8-).
Ken
Group: S-Trains Message: 82 From: Steinkirchner, Alan Date: 10/6/1998
Subject: American Models New Haven PAs
> I have the American Models New Haven Alco PA A-A set (no "B" unit)
> that I would like to sell. I apologize if this forum is not intended
> for selling trains, but I thought that I would be most likely to find
> someone who is interested in them here. I'm not a dealer, and I won't
> make a habit out of this.
>
> The set is DC "hi-rail", both units are powered, and the paint scheme
> is the same as the one used by Gilbert. They have been operated a
> little, but are in "like-new" condition. The current retail for this
> set is $396.00. My price is $295.00 plus shipping. If you're
> interested, please respond directly to my e-mail address.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Alan Steinkirchner
> (alan.steinkirchner@...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 83 From: Jerry Riechert Date: 10/6/1998
Subject: Re: Two Items
> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:25:42 -0400
> From: Paul Yorke <yorke@...>
> Subject: Two Items
>
<<<snip>>>
> Two: Railway Model Design Software, Developed by � S�bastien MARCHANT,
> at http://members.tripod.com/~PaulYorke/railway.htm. I have fixed the
> broken link to the zip file.

Regarding the above program, has anyone put together an American Flyer
database and layouts that they could post and/or send me? I've played
around with this but just can't seem to get a working database. When I
put in some of the layouts in my AF instruction book, some work out fine
and some don't!

--
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Group: S-Trains Message: 84 From: kelvin white Date: 10/6/1998
Subject: AM USRA heavy 4-6-2
Hi Folks

I just received the last NASG dispatch (the directory) inside is an
advert for the AM 42ft car and the AM USRA heavy 4-6-2 in plain black
with a custom lettering job.

It looks great - much better than the toy like images of the B&O &
Southern versions. As far as I can tell the only RRs that had USRA heavy
4-6-2s (and the near copies) were the Eire class K5, plus C&EI whilst
the PRR K4s, B&O P7s and Southern Ps4 were not too dissimilar.

All this is fine if you model those roads but my main steam era interest
is with the Soo and C&NW - I don't believe they had similar engines or
ones that could be easily converted - does anybody know?
--
Kelvin White
Oxford England
Group: S-Trains Message: 85 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/6/1998
Subject: Proto64 or not to proto64
From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...>
Organization: Crossroads of America



Hi Guy"S";

Tinplate, highrail, scale, finescale, Now proto64. Whats next?
Perhaps putting a size reduction ray gun to the real thing to reduce it
to our scale.
:o) Well - - - - Maybe that would upset someone.
An interesting thought. Will the proto64 guys put the same attention
into the rest of their layouts. Perhaps a flushing toilet in a minature

home. Opps! sorry - - I couldn't resist that one. :o) .
In the fish section of pet stores there are tiny fish called feeders.
These would look great in a pond on your layout. That is, if you have
one.
Back to the RR scale discusion. I have found that if you look hard
enough you will find flanges vary in size around the country.
When I was in Northern Vt. several years ago I noticed that the train
rails were very large. I was sorry I did not have something to measure
them with. Point being. You will find irregularites on the real thing
on occasion. I have a picture of a RR car that is strange. 2/3 of the
car is a tank the remaining 1/3 is half a cabbose as I recall.

About the mfgs. doing a survey on what people want. I think we have
gotten to the point where most anything will sell. I seldom see anyone
making trains with logos from New England RRs. I would like to see
unusual items with character. For instance: An old beat up loco with
tounge in cheek modifactions and personalized touches by the Engineer.
Something so ugly that everyone will love it.

Gotta go. My sons school is having open house tonight. Yes, he has a
layout of his own.

Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 86 From: L123 Montgomery Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: Cleaning Old Tarnished AF Track
Hi Folks,

I recently dug out my old American Flyer trains and am planning on putting up a christmas layout this year. The track is pretty tarnished.

I know I can use a brite boy to clean up the railheads and connecting pins to get good electrical contact but is there a (relatively) easy way to clean up the entire rail? Will Tarn-X work?

TIA
Monty
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Group: S-Trains Message: 87 From: John Foley Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: Throttles
>Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 06:29:53 -0700
>To: S-trains
>From: John Foley <foley164@...>
>Subject: Throttles
>
>>Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:49:26 -0700
>>To: S-trains
>>From: John Foley <foley164@...>
>>Subject: Throttles
>>
>> A company named Kurtz-Kraft manufactures excellant electronics
for
>>model railroading. Throttles,modules for flashers and signals, sound
systems etc.
>>The best thing about this company is their low prices. Example their
TH-2B DC
>>hand held throttle is only $54. and can handle 6 amps. Their AC throttle
TH-7 is
>>a great unit for AF fans. The TH-7 inclues a power unit for only $90. So
call or write and ask for a catolog. Kurtz-Kraft
>> 1016 Pinewood Dr.
>> Downers Grove IL. 60516
>> Phone 630-968-4456
>> No email or web site
>> John foley
Group: S-Trains Message: 88 From: ALLAN V EISENHAUR Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: 332/336 tender
I am looking AF 332/336 Northern Tender or parts for repainting. email
me direct.
Thanks AL Eisenhaur

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Group: S-Trains Message: 89 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: Track
I notice someone is asking about cleaning track. Which is about a
subject I was about to address it anyway, I might as wall dive in - -
- again.

First, I was just going to mention that I just got in another case of
oil for track treatment. This means I will resume filling orders.

Now to address the question brought up; I sell a metal polish that
removes rust easily. Wipe it on wipe it off. The rust is gone. You might
have to scrub a bit if the rust is thicker than usual. A tooth brush
with the polish will remove the rust from the sides easily.
I also sell an oil that will eliminate any need to clean track in the
future for a good long time. I haven't cleaned my track since 1981. My
trains are run in a museum every day in the summer. It sets all winter.
Come spring I just run it again. somehow it does not aquire grime in the
winter. It also eliminates electrical arching between wheels and the
track. And I used the oil just once or twice since 1981.
I am repeating this message for those that missed it last month. And
the fellow that asked.

Anyway your track problems will be eliminated --- forever. With one
treatment.
These products have been sold to other members of this forum, with no
complaints.

The polish (alias rust remover) 16 oz. $ 22.80
The oil 4 oz. 5.25

Both items 26.00

Free instruction for both items.

Note: Both products go a long way with a small amount.
Second note: I own a museum and require products that give the best
performance to keep my trains running.


Roger CEO

Crossroads of America.
Group: S-Trains Message: 90 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: Article on PROTO:X Nov MR ??
Hello all

I was wondering if anyone is in the position of being able to forward to me scanned pages from the article in Model Railroader??, November I believe !! about the PROTO: concept..( regarding copyright, yeah I understand it's technically a no-no, but I don't intend to profit by it, and I buy the Mag anyway) but we only just got September's and I really am very interested in reading the article. I can accept files in pretty well any format for anyone who can help.

Thanks

Richard
Group: S-Trains Message: 91 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/7/1998
Subject: Re: Rust
Roger Hinds wrote:
>
> To Roger Delthony and others;
> When rust remover takes off rust of metals you will have a black
> stain. which is exactly what it is, a stain (not rust). There is no such
> thing as black rust. To prove this. Rust will not conduct electricity.
> Use a multi-meter to check on the black stain to see if you can get a
> meter reading through the stain. Which you will get. Sometimes the stain
> is outright gunk like you get on your train wheels. Of course this will
> not allow electricity to flow. Quite often the black stain is etching
> done by rust eating into the metal. In the case of the erector set
> parts. You will never get to the original shine without chrome plating
> the parts. I mentioned before that this polish will not replace the
> sheen in your track When the plating is gone its gone. At least your
> track will be clean, shiny and useable after using the polish.
>
> Wait a minute! Time out. I am going to double check something. Be
> right Back.
>
> I'Mmmm Baaaack.
>
> During my time out I went and got a section of rail. A real rusty one.
> Real thick and grimy.
> I rubbed on the metal polish with vigor. Rust gone. On the bottom of
> the rail where the seam is I did the same. Rust gone. --- Ahah ! There
> is the black left over just as I suspected. This shall be a good test of
> the polish. I rubbed it in with a cloth. Looks better. Still some black.
> Next I put the polish on again and scrubbed with a toothbrush.
> The black is gone just as I suspected.
> On light rust, in most cases. wipe it on and wipe it off with a little
> scrubbing. The thicker the rust the harder you will have to work. This
> will not take off real thick rust. Like the rust on exhaust pipes. If
> the rust is that thick then throw the piece away. When something is
> realy bad and I want to save it, I use a wire wheel to take off the
> heavy rust and then use the polish to clean it up.
> Anyway the point is. In more severe cases of rust, you will have to
> work harder to Scrub of the rust.
> Mr. Delthony; Try to use a brush to scrub in the polish. You may have
> better results.
>
> Roger
>
> PS: I forgot to mention. Some of the rails on my layout were rusty
> before I laid them.
> Probably still are on the sides. The rail heads are still shiny and
> the trains have been running for 17 years with no trouble.
Group: S-Trains Message: 92 From: RWJW3@aol.com Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 10
I

<< Cleaning Old Tarnished AF Track
From: "L123 Montgomery" <l >>

To clean old AF track I have always used the ScotchBrite, WD40 treatment.
To set up my existing layout, all the AF track was purchased from Junk boxes
at shows and sprayed liberally with WD40 and scrubbed with a scotch brite pad.
Finish with a soft cloth and most of the track cleaned up real well. I did use
emery cloth on the pins to insure good electrical contact and have had no
problem with slippage even on the grades (used gargrave track there) after I
was done.
Good Luck
Bob Wheeler
Group: S-Trains Message: 93 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: WANTED: GMC
see http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=34194613
A GMC like this one (I don't need the trailers).
And I don't need it in mint condition.

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
Spring CHORES are done! Bring on the SUMMER!!!!


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Group: S-Trains Message: 94 From: John Foley Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: South Jersay S Gaugers Train Show
Hi Folks
This Sunday Oct.11 the SJSG club will have their muti-gauge train
show at
the Bellmawr NJ Fire and Rescue Station. I like this show because there is
plenty
of S items for sale. Also the NASG gets to promote S gauge railroading to
non S
gaugers and to folks who are deciding what gauge to get into. So if you
live not
to far away come and visit and stop by the NASG table. Of course the SJSS
layout
will be in full operation, always worth a trip by it self. Bellmawr NJ is
located
due east of Philly off interstate 76 & 295. The address is 29 Lewis Ave,
Bellmawr
NJ. It's open 10 am to 3 pm
Thanks
John Foley
Group: S-Trains Message: 95 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: SPAM
I have been getting a lot of SPAM in the last few months.
Today, I got a SPAM message that included an 800 number,
so I called them up to find out WHERE they got my e-mail
address, so that I could go to the source and ask them to
stop distributing my address.

They were quite nice, and told me that they got my address
from my web site! I don't have a web site!! They told me that
they have a program that reads web sites and records any
e-mail addresses that are found!!!

So, that means that all our web sites that list e-mail addresses
to make it easy to communicate open us to SPAM!!!!

What to do?

On some sites, if you click the address, your browser brings up
an e-mail form ready for you to fill in. Instead of listing the
address, I'm wondering if the web pages could be set so that
clicking on a NAME instead of an address brings up the e-mail form.

I read another suggestion for pages such as the NASG directory,
where there is just a listing of addresses. The recommendation
was to insert into each address EXTRA characters, and instructl the
directory reader to take OUT those extra characters to get the
real address. Example:
mhrreast@... could be listed as mhrreast@...
Any automated program would then record an elongated non-existent
address, and protect me from getting new spam.

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 96 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: MACK B
For anybody who has not yet seen it, the ERTL
MACK B looks GREAT; its appearance matches
the prototype very well, and without actually
measuring a prototype, it appears to be 1:64th
scale. The red body with black fenders gives
the look of the '50's very nicely, and the nicely
detailed exhaust stack and air cleaner add a
great sense of realism. ONE little complaint;
the spacing of the wheels makes the truck
look pigeon toed. The front wheels are closer
together than other S scale trucks of similar
size, and the rear wheels are farther apart!

There is a real Mack B in town that I am
trying to find so that I can take some
measurements. Short of that, I recommend
that anybody operating in the '50's through
the '70's should have at least one of these.
Just shorten the rear axles so that the truck
is 8 feet wide across the rear tires. I have not
seen any truck wider than this.

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 97 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: Miller tie strip
Hello all

Firstly thanks to all who offered help regarding MR article,look forward to reading it.

On another note, I recall, way back mid to late seventies an article on 'S"
Group: S-Trains Message: 98 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/8/1998
Subject: FW: Miller tie strip
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To: S SCALE list Serve (E-mail)
Subject: Miller tie strip

Hello all

Firstly thanks to all who offered help regarding MR article,look forward to reading it.

On another note, I recall, way back mid to late seventies an article on 'S" a reference to a tie strip made by Miller ?? What ever happened to this line? is it still produced? without being too indelicate..was it any good??

Thanks again

Richard
Group: S-Trains Message: 99 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Proto relevent website
Hello all again

For those who have expressed an interest in the PROTO:scale concept , may I tke a moment to direct you to the , well,words fail me ..extaordinary site dedicated to PROTO:87, whilst not advocating any particular duplication of their effort for any group for the 1/64 minded it certainly shows graphically and explains very clearly the whole concept and application of PROTO/SCALE.

you might like to have a look at http://www.cs.utk.edu/~davison/proto87/proto87.html

also http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ukcanuck/p87Journal6/turnout.html

cheers

Richard
Group: S-Trains Message: 100 From: skeeze@xx.xxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Couplers
I grew up operating an AF train set at Christmas time and recently
purchased a few AF engines and cabooses to start a collection. But to
my suprise these units have some type of coupler that is not the knuckle
coupler that I was used to back in my childhood years. These have what
looks like a hook or something...can I replace this coupler with the
knuckle style, and where can I get the knuckle style couplers if
available?
Thanks.
skeeze
Group: S-Trains Message: 101 From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: couplers
Skeeze,

You can easily convert your link (hook) couplers to knuckle. Knuckle
couplers are available from most AF parts dealers. Just ask for the type
used for a link conversion (some have slot, hole, slot and hole). I've
found that there are two quality levels of knuckle couplers out there.
Some a have bright silver king pin (head visible from top of coupler) and a
lead weight that is just pressed onto the stem. Others, the more reliable
and desirable, look more like the original and their weights are better
secured to a metal weight. The lesser quality couplers cost ~$2, the
better ones $2.75-$3, but worth it if you're an operator. To remove the
older style link, gently wiggle it with pliers. The tongue that it's post
goes through will bend some, but the unit should come free pretty easily.
Straighten the tongue, and install the knuckle coupler using either a
cotter pin (also available from most dealers) or a short bolt with double
nuts (Radio Shack has a size that works just right). Then enjoy!

Where there's smoke,
there's Flyer.

Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 102 From: Haenn, Joe Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Help at York
Dear List Members,

Unfortunately, my York helper will be unable to make it. If there is
anyone out there who knows a little about American Flyer and AF parts, is
going to be at York, and would be willing to help me at my tables in the
Black Hall during Friday and/or Saturday, please let me know. If you can
work from about 10:30 am to 2:30 pm each day, I would be willing to pay
your room costs for one evening plus ten dollars per hour. This will
leave you time to browse, with some extra cash in your pocket. If you
can only work part of the time, let's see what we can work out. Any
workers would get a crash course in AF parts and the parts business.

If interested, please e-mail me at joes-train-repair@....

Thanks,
Joe

Joe's Train Repair 404 Shetland Road
Rougemont, North Carolina 27572-9338
Order Fax: 919/471-2613
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Group: S-Trains Message: 103 From: John Foley Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Promotions
Hi Folks
Joel Lebovitz is the NASG Promotions Chaimen. I mention this so
you S
manufactures can take advantage of Joels hard work. Joel puts together
packages
of S literature that he sends to clubs and individuals who promote S gauge at
shows and such. And speaking of clubs please feel free to contact Joel at
Joel Lebovitz
1340 W. Greenleaf Ave. atp. 1-N
Chicago, IL 60626
Phone 773-262-5668

P.S. Please feel free to contact me if I can help in any way.
Group: S-Trains Message: 104 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Re: SPAM
Hi all,

One way to fight SPAM is avoid those so-called free e-mail accounts. After
all, how do you think they bay for their equipment. We live in the
information age and these folks are mining information.

If you use a paid-for permanent mail service, you've got someone you can
point the finger at if you get spammed. All you'll have to do is look at the
spam's "envelope" information and you'll see if it was addressed to your
paid-for account or a list. If it was addressed to a list, the listserv is
required to give you their return address -- so write them, ask them to take
you off of their list, and find out how they got your e-mail address. If
your paid-for e-mail provider gave it out without your permission, threaten
to take your business somewhere else!

I use a paid-for e-mail provider called Rail-Mail that's geared towards
railroad fans. You can find out more about the firm's offerings at
http://www.railmail.com/. That's how I get the e-mail address of
bubba@....

BTW, Do you know where the term SPAM comes from? One theory has it that
"there's not much difference between the pronunciation of Hormel and whore
mail." At least it sounds plausible. -- Keith Thompson
Group: S-Trains Message: 105 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Track products
I forgot to post my address that want to order my track treatment
products.

This is for the metal polish (rust remover)
And oil.

Order From;

Roger Hinds
6 Trudeau Rd.
Bethlehem NH
03574

Check or Money order Thank you one and all.
Group: S-Trains Message: 106 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: SPAM
Do a "JunkMail" search in one of your search engines. There are
locations
that will take your E-mail address of the lists.

In your web address area type in Dogpile.com this is a search
engine that will search several search engines all at once.

Do Search engines come in different scales. :o)

Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 107 From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: Re: Couplers
Skeeze,

Yes, you can convert link to knuckle couplers, as per the excellent advise
given on this board. But, before you do convert it might be worthwhile to
think twice about doing it, depending on what the engines and cars are. As
your collection grows, you may wish to have link coupler representation in it.
Link couplers are method that Gilbert used to connect toy trains together from
1938 to 1941 and from 1946 to 1953. Although nominally not as realistic
looking as knuckle couplers, the link couplers do operate very well. Link
couplers also space the cars at scale distance, while the knuckle couplers do
not. A set of link coupler heavy weight passenger cars always look better in
a string than do the knuckle coupler versions because the vestibul doors
between the cars are close to each other, as with real trains. The knuckle
coupler versions leave fairly large gaps between the cars (although not as bad
as anything from the Big L!). Another possibility is taking common cars, as
many of us do, and making them "adapters" with knuckle on one end and link on
the other.

Just a thought.

RB
Group: S-Trains Message: 108 From: Dennis Back Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: smelly smoke
Hi y'all:

I have had AF steam engines since 1950. Over the years, especially
after 1968, I have used smoke other than AF brands because I couldn't
find AF smoke. I have used "L" and even some purple colored LifeLike
smoke.

My problem is....now that I can get AF scented smoke, I can't get rid
of the stinkin' "L" smell! Is there any thing I can do short of
replacing the smoke unit? Has anyone else had this problem?

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

Dennis Back
Miami, Fl.
Group: S-Trains Message: 109 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/9/1998
Subject: C-D Models
I had the opportunity to talk to the folks at C-D models this evening.
I received images from them of some of the work they are producing and
it looks terriffic. I intend to stop out and see them in the next week
or so and pick up some items that I can review for S-mail and the
magazines. From what we discussed and the images they sent, we have the
opportunity to add some beautiful items that will really accent a fine
model railroad. In addition, they know how to model a scene which is a
skill that has a great deal of transfer to our hobby. Although the next
two weeks are pretty busy, I will get make sure I get together with them
and more good news, they are interested in attending the NASG
Convention!
Ken Z.
Group: S-Trains Message: 110 From: Al Castellani Date: 10/10/1998
Subject: Al Castellani/CBT is out of the office.
I will be out of the office from 10/09/98 until 10/13/98.

I will respond to your message when I return.
Group: S-Trains Message: 111 From: Chuck Smith Date: 10/10/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 12
S-Trains@onelist.com wrote:

> 7. Re: Couplers

> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:16:03 EDT
> From: RBubeck327@...
> Subject: Re: Couplers
>
> Skeeze,
>
> Yes, you can convert link to knuckle couplers, as per the excellent advise
> given on this board. But, before you do convert it might be worthwhile to
> think twice about doing it, depending on what the engines and cars are. As
> your collection grows, you may wish to have link coupler representation in it.
> Link couplers are method that Gilbert used to connect toy trains together from
> 1938 to 1941 and from 1946 to 1953. Although nominally not as realistic
> looking as knuckle couplers, the link couplers do operate very well. Link
> couplers also space the cars at scale distance, while the knuckle couplers do
> not. A set of link coupler heavy weight passenger cars always look better in
> a string than do the knuckle coupler versions because the vestibul doors
> between the cars are close to each other, as with real trains. The knuckle
> coupler versions leave fairly large gaps between the cars (although not as bad
> as anything from the Big L!). Another possibility is taking common cars, as
> many of us do, and making them "adapters" with knuckle on one end and link on
> the other.
>
AMEN! I have actually converted passenger cars back to link to avoid
the huge gaps between cars. What works good for coupling to engines if
you don't have a link engine is an express reefer with a link on one end
and a knuckle on the other. I also have a baggage car with a link and
knuckle on opposite ends of the same truck. I spin it around dependiong
on the loco. The bracket to hold one coupler was epoxied to the truck
and has held for many years.
--
"It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers and the
S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith
Group: S-Trains Message: 112 From: W. Thomas Boussum Date: 10/10/1998
Subject: Switching couplers
Regarding the changing of link couplers to knuckles, I like R. Bubeck,
believe that a much better move would be to make up one or two "two
ended cars." My passenger coaches are, for the most part, all equipped
with link couplers. So I took a ratty B&O refrigerator car and put a
knuckle coupler on one end. This enables me to run it as an express
reefer in a passenger train when the locomotive is equipped with knuckle
couplers.
Of course the same car can bne used to make a successful transition
with freight trains. I also have several other freight cars that use a
knuckle coupler on one end to allow for all sorts of variations in my
rolling stock. Like RB pointed out, the Flyer link couplers have a much
better scale distance between cars. I d0 have one set of heavyweight
and one set of streamlined coaches that are equipped with knuckle
couplers, but I think that they look too much like toys to fully
appreciate.
Also from the viewpoint of modifying potential collector's pieces one
should think twice before making any changes to their Flyer equipment.
W. Thomas Boussum
Group: S-Trains Message: 113 From: John Foley Date: 10/11/1998
Subject: YORK PA
Hello
Anyone going to York Pa. for the TCA meet? if you are and you
come a
day or two earlier stop in at the Valancia Ballroom train show from the
13th-15th and say hello. the ballroom is in the middle of the downtown area
on George St.
Thanks
John Foley
Group: S-Trains Message: 114 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/12/1998
Subject: Stink'n L-smell
You could try using solvents in combination with better smoke fluid (I like
Lehigh Valley Train Service S-Gauge fluid best) to purge the wick. It
might take several iterations. I've used the following different
combinations to loosen up old wicks with pretty good success - - but other
times, you just have to replace the wick and coil.
1) Put in several drops of track cleaner followed by several drops of smoke
fluid. Run the engine a while. Repeat. When you put the engine away for
the night, add a few more drops of track cleaner. I use the blue track
cleaner, I'm at work now and can't remember the brand name. (I actually
clean my track with CRC-5-56 on a rag and then a clean cloth.)
2) Squirt TV tuner into a small bottle to collect its fluid. I use a empty
smoke fluid bottle, the eye dropper comes in handy. Follow the above
procedure, but using tuner cleaner instead of track cleaner. Squirting the
TV tuner cleaner straight into the unit from the can works, but I don't
like all the overspray and the propellant chills everything very suddenly
(not sure that's bad - - anyone know?). I've also found Color TV tuner
cleaner doesn't work as well, or the same, and regular TV tuner cleaner,
not sure why, just does. (Anyone with any comments?)
3) Use drops of paint thinner, sparingly. Some say it's OK to run the
unit. I don't trust the flammability, so I only add this when I know the
unit will sit long enough for the thinner to have likely evaporated before
next running the engine.

The fun in them is in runn'n them.

Dave
Group: S-Trains Message: 115 From: kelvin white Date: 10/12/1998
Subject: The S Scale Aligator Hunt
My thanks to all the folks who replied to my earlier Email: `Aligators
wanted - raid the toy box'. Required for my Sn3 South Carolina logging
layout.

Richard Snook (Australia) has sent me a small packet of plastic
Aligators. There are 12 in a packet - 6 different mouldings (2 of each)
According to the moulding on the belly there are two Gavals, two Caiman,
six Crocodiles and two Aligators. All are made in China. Overal length
of all of them is between 75 & 80mm (15 ft 9in - 16ft 9in in S scale).
Moulding plastic is a yellow ochre colour, with the top of the body
sprayed a grey, blue/black, brown as appropiate. The quality of the
moulding is good.

The Models are marketed by Toysmith (Kent WA) in their Mini Menagerie
range item #37400 - Age range 3 & up (so it means we are OK)! The price
was $5.99 (Aus) - I've no idea what that is in sterling or US.$s.

My thanks for the suggestions of trying Zoos, Aquarians and Aligator
Farms - and the University of Florida @ Gainsville.

I doubt if it will be possible to get models smaller than 3 inches -
risk of swallowing by small children - unless the gators are attached to
a key ring or something.

If anybody locates a supply of 2 inch gators, please let me know.

In the interim I owe Richard a pint or two
--
Kelvin White
Oxford England
Group: S-Trains Message: 116 From: Kempfam@xxx.xxx Date: 10/12/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 14
Am looking for an 0-8-0, don't mind a junker, preferably with KC's.
Group: S-Trains Message: 117 From: Wayne Zebron Date: 10/12/1998
Subject: (no subject)
Hi,

In building my American Flyer Layout I am making us of gargraves hi rail
track. I would like to install several uncoulers (AF). I was planing to
place a section (half track) of original AF track between the gargraves to
install the uncouler. I was also thinking there may be a way to install the
AF uncouple under the layout and design some extension to fit through the
gargraves track. Any ideas out there.

Thanks,
Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 118 From: L Montgomery Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: Cleaning Plastic Passenger Cars
Hi folks,

I have some old AF passenger cars painted silver with red stripes on the sides. They are kind of dirty but I'm hesitant to clean them with anything that might remove the paint or otherwise cause damage. They have lots of grooves running lenthwise.

Any advice?

TIA

Monty
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Group: S-Trains Message: 119 From: Jim Grimes Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: York???
I am planning to go to York this weekend and I have heard of other
activities [ sales, seminars etc.] that occur at the same time outside
of the fairgrounds location.
Can anyone give me any information [locations, directions, or times]
of these activities?
Thanks and I hope to see you all there!
--
Jim and Ingrid Grimes
Trailside Bikes
35 Sixth St. South
Custer SD 57730
605-673-5526
888-673-BIKE (toll free)
tsbikes@...
http://www.TrailsideBikes.com
Group: S-Trains Message: 120 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: ACCESSORIES & GARGRAVES
I also run on Gargraves track. I cut pieces of Gilbert track to just
the length of the accessory or pickup. The pins hold the pieces of
Gilbert track firmly to the Gargraves. I then install the uncoupler or
other track trip as necessary.

Staying on S-Gauge track, Glenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 121 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: Train
I am sending off a picture of a train I drew up. Let me know if it is
compatible with the e-mail forum.
Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 122 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: Picture
Hi Paul;
I sent off a train picture to One list.
Some how it also sends off the drawing program(paintbrush) with it.
I am using Netscape navigator. You would't happen to know how to send
the picture without the drawing program would you?
Perhaps I should have move the picture elsewhere first?
Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 123 From: louis glumac Date: 10/13/1998
Subject: value line track
hello i am looking for some value line track that was made a couple of
years ago if anyone has any please let me know!!!!!!! thanks lou

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> To: S-Trains@onelist.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 15
> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 4:14 AM
>
>
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> There are 4 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in today's digest:
>
> 1. Stink'n L-smell
> From: David_Horn@...
> 2. The S Scale Aligator Hunt
> From: kelvin white <kelvin@...>
> 3. Re: Digest Number 14
> From: Kempfam@...
> 4. (no subject)
> From: Wayne Zebron <zebbie@...>
>
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:05:45 -0400
> From: David_Horn@...
> Subject: Stink'n L-smell
>
> You could try using solvents in combination with better smoke fluid (I
like
> Lehigh Valley Train Service S-Gauge fluid best) to purge the wick. It
> might take several iterations. I've used the following different
> combinations to loosen up old wicks with pretty good success - - but
other
> times, you just have to replace the wick and coil.
> 1) Put in several drops of track cleaner followed by several drops of
smoke
> fluid. Run the engine a while. Repeat. When you put the engine away for
> the night, add a few more drops of track cleaner. I use the blue track
> cleaner, I'm at work now and can't remember the brand name. (I actually
> clean my track with CRC-5-56 on a rag and then a clean cloth.)
> 2) Squirt TV tuner into a small bottle to collect its fluid. I use a
empty
> smoke fluid bottle, the eye dropper comes in handy. Follow the above
> procedure, but using tuner cleaner instead of track cleaner. Squirting
the
> TV tuner cleaner straight into the unit from the can works, but I don't
> like all the overspray and the propellant chills everything very suddenly
> (not sure that's bad - - anyone know?). I've also found Color TV tuner
> cleaner doesn't work as well, or the same, and regular TV tuner cleaner,
> not sure why, just does. (Anyone with any comments?)
> 3) Use drops of paint thinner, sparingly. Some say it's OK to run the
> unit. I don't trust the flammability, so I only add this when I know the
> unit will sit long enough for the thinner to have likely evaporated
before
> next running the engine.
>
> The fun in them is in runn'n them.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:49:34 +0100
> From: kelvin white <kelvin@...>
> Subject: The S Scale Aligator Hunt
>
> My thanks to all the folks who replied to my earlier Email: `Aligators
> wanted - raid the toy box'. Required for my Sn3 South Carolina logging
> layout.
>
> Richard Snook (Australia) has sent me a small packet of plastic
> Aligators. There are 12 in a packet - 6 different mouldings (2 of each)
> According to the moulding on the belly there are two Gavals, two Caiman,
> six Crocodiles and two Aligators. All are made in China. Overal length
> of all of them is between 75 & 80mm (15 ft 9in - 16ft 9in in S scale).
> Moulding plastic is a yellow ochre colour, with the top of the body
> sprayed a grey, blue/black, brown as appropiate. The quality of the
> moulding is good.
>
> The Models are marketed by Toysmith (Kent WA) in their Mini Menagerie
> range item #37400 - Age range 3 & up (so it means we are OK)! The price
> was $5.99 (Aus) - I've no idea what that is in sterling or US.$s.
>
> My thanks for the suggestions of trying Zoos, Aquarians and Aligator
> Farms - and the University of Florida @ Gainsville.
>
> I doubt if it will be possible to get models smaller than 3 inches -
> risk of swallowing by small children - unless the gators are attached to
> a key ring or something.
>
> If anybody locates a supply of 2 inch gators, please let me know.
>
> In the interim I owe Richard a pint or two
> --
> Kelvin White
> Oxford England
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:30:44 EDT
> From: Kempfam@...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 14
>
> Am looking for an 0-8-0, don't mind a junker, preferably with KC's.
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:24:34 -0500
> From: Wayne Zebron <zebbie@...>
> Subject: (no subject)
>
> Hi,
>
> In building my American Flyer Layout I am making us of gargraves hi rail
> track. I would like to install several uncoulers (AF). I was planing to
> place a section (half track) of original AF track between the gargraves
to
> install the uncouler. I was also thinking there may be a way to install
the
> AF uncouple under the layout and design some extension to fit through the
> gargraves track. Any ideas out there.
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 124 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Sharing graphics
The best way to share graphic with the list, is to send them to me
first, I put them on the web, then tell you where they are and you
mention the link in your note.
Like http://www.gate.net/~yorke/train.gif is Roger Hinds graphic, and
http://www.gate.net/~yorke/9600a.jpg is a picture from CD Models.
They can give you all the details.

--
Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl.
American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers
http://www.gate.net/~yorke (alt e-mail paulyork@...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 125 From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: cleaning cars
After removing the body from the chassis, I usually first try a bucket of
warm (not hot) water with liquid Ivory soap (not a detergent) and some soft
paint brushes. Rinse and tamp dry with clean cotton towels, or allow to
air dry. Tough spots, a little windex on a rag followed by fresh water (I
rinse with distilled water in a pump bottle, doesn't leave spots).
Group: S-Trains Message: 126 From: W. Thomas Boussum Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Layout pictures
'S' gauge fans,
I recently started working on a website at
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/3703
For the most part it is devoted to science and transportation, but I
have added some model railroad links to the site. I would like to post
some pictures of 'S' gauge layouts in all categories: American Flyer
tinplate or semi-scale, scale layouts, standard or narrow gauge layouts,
etc. I would also like to post photos of pet projects: scatch-built,
kits, or kit-bashed locomotives and rolling stock in 'S' gauge. You
could include pictures of scenery or buildings or anything else that
might be of interest to other 'S' gaugers. So get your digital cameras
or scanners working and send me some of your pictures.
If you have prints of some of your projects ad send them to me via
snailmail I can scan them on my 24-bit scanner and post them.
Unfortunately my scanner does not handle slides. I have tried to put
some of my slides up to no avail. Any photos received by that route
will be returned to the sender via snailmail after they have been
scanned and posted on my website.
'S' gauge
'S'cale
'S'atisfaction,
W. Thomas Boussum
Group: S-Trains Message: 127 From: W. Thomas Boussum Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Cleaning plastic passenger cars.
This is sent in response to L. Montgomery's question about cleaning
plastic passenger cars. I normally use a mild dishwashing solution with
lukewarm water to accomplish this with my New Haven and heavyweght
coaches. First I take the coach bodies off the chassis and remove the
paper window backing before I start to clean the coaches. If the window
strips are badly soiled they should be removed and washed separately.
Then using the dishwashing soap and water clean the car body and window
strips. Rinse the body and window strips and place on a towel to dry.
After the coach is dried it may be put back together.
A note of CAUTION: If the coach is decorated with decals chances are
that the decals will come off, since the backing is water soluble. In
that case I have no recommendations as to how to proceed. None of my
coaches have decals, so I use the method given above.
Mild dishwashing soap and water will not craze the plastic surface and
will get your rolling stock back into first-class appearance.
'S' gauge
'S'cale
'S'atisfaction,
W. Thomas Boussum
Group: S-Trains Message: 128 From: TPDavis7@xxx.xxx Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Swap wheel sets
Would like to swap 29 American Model scale wheel sets, grey metal w/white
insulator,(set= 2 axels and four wheels) and 12 Pacific Rail Shops scale
trucks w/scale plastic wheel set for 16 sets of S Helper Service high rail
wheels(set= 2 axels and fowheels). 'S'incerely, Tom Davis, Charlotte,N.C.
Group: S-Trains Message: 129 From: Roy Plotnick Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Fall S-fest
If any of you are planning to attend the Fall S-fest, please say hello if
you see me. My layout
(the Yellow Brick Railraod) will be part of the layout tours on Sunday. -Roy
Roy E. Plotnick
Professor
Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences
University of Illinois at Chicago
845 W. Taylor St.
Chicago, IL 60607
plotnick@...
phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279
web page: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/plotnick.htm
"The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and glacial
periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to oysters and ices
with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May Alcott
Group: S-Trains Message: 130 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 16
The absolutely most correct way to clean these shells is to remove them
from the metal chassis by removing the chassis pins (or screws). Then
taking out the paper diffuser and the silhouettes. You can then immerse
the plastic shell in warm soapy water and brush with a soft bristle brush.
I use Dawn liquid detergent because it is very mild.

If you do not want to disassemble the cars, then take a sponge dampened
slightly with soapy solution and wash the surfaces thoroughly. Rinse with
the sponge dampened in clean water. When you have removed all the dirt
you can, you might want to try a light polishing compound. I have had good
luck with a liquid compound that you can get at any auto parts or discount
store. I don't think the particular brand is important. Do NOT get rubbing
compound--it is too abrasive.

The polishing compound removes oxidation and any stubborn dirt the soap did
not loosen. Rub the polish lightly with a soft cloth and wipe off. If any
of the hazy residue remains in nooks and crannies,use a stiff bristle
brush, or a toothbrush or finger nail brush to remove the residue. STAY
AWAY FROM NUMBERS AND LETTERING. This paint is thin and you might cut
through it!

This works for me. The polish restores the original shine to the paint,
and the lustre does not look "fake."

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> From: S-Trains@onelist.com
> To: S-Trains@onelist.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 16
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 7:21 AM
>
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>
> There are 7 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in today's digest:
>
> 1. Cleaning Plastic Passenger Cars
> From: "L Montgomery" <lmontgo@...>
> 2. York???
> From: Jim Grimes <tsbikes@...>
> 3. ACCESSORIES & GARGRAVES
> From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...>
> 4. Train
> From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...>
> 5. Picture
> From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...>
> 6. value line track
> From: "louis glumac" <glumac@...>
> 7. Sharing graphics
> From: Paul Yorke <yorke@...>
>
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:19:10 -0700
> From: "L Montgomery" <lmontgo@...>
> Subject: Cleaning Plastic Passenger Cars
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I have some old AF passenger cars painted silver with red stripes on the
sides. They are kind of dirty but I'm hesitant to clean them with anything
that might remove the paint or otherwise cause damage. They have lots of
grooves running lenthwise.
>
> Any advice?
>
> TIA
>
> Monty
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:41:51 -0400
> From: Jim Grimes <tsbikes@...>
> Subject: York???
>
> I am planning to go to York this weekend and I have heard of other
> activities [ sales, seminars etc.] that occur at the same time outside
> of the fairgrounds location.
> Can anyone give me any information [locations, directions, or times]
> of these activities?
> Thanks and I hope to see you all there!
> --
> Jim and Ingrid Grimes
> Trailside Bikes
> 35 Sixth St. South
> Custer SD 57730
> 605-673-5526
> 888-673-BIKE (toll free)
> tsbikes@...
> http://www.TrailsideBikes.com
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:21:43 -0700
> From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...>
> Subject: ACCESSORIES & GARGRAVES
>
> I also run on Gargraves track. I cut pieces of Gilbert track to just
> the length of the accessory or pickup. The pins hold the pieces of
> Gilbert track firmly to the Gargraves. I then install the uncoupler or
> other track trip as necessary.
>
> Staying on S-Gauge track, Glenn
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:07:18 -0700
> From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...>
> Subject: Train
>
> I am sending off a picture of a train I drew up. Let me know if it is
> compatible with the e-mail forum.
> Roger
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:45:55 -0700
> From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...>
> Subject: Picture
>
> Hi Paul;
> I sent off a train picture to One list.
> Some how it also sends off the drawing program(paintbrush) with it.
> I am using Netscape navigator. You would't happen to know how to send
> the picture without the drawing program would you?
> Perhaps I should have move the picture elsewhere first?
> Roger
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:53:42 -0700
> From: "louis glumac" <glumac@...>
> Subject: value line track
>
> hello i am looking for some value line track that was made a couple of
> years ago if anyone has any please let me know!!!!!!! thanks lou
>
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> > From: S-Trains@onelist.com
> > To: S-Trains@onelist.com
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 15
> > Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 4:14 AM
> >
> >
> > Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or
> > service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit
> > http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information.
> >
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> > For information about this list contact Paul Yorke (yorke@...) or
> visit http://www.gate.net/~yorke/smail.htm
> >
> >
> > There are 4 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in today's digest:
> >
> > 1. Stink'n L-smell
> > From: David_Horn@...
> > 2. The S Scale Aligator Hunt
> > From: kelvin white <kelvin@...>
> > 3. Re: Digest Number 14
> > From: Kempfam@...
> > 4. (no subject)
> > From: Wayne Zebron <zebbie@...>
> >
> >
> >
>
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:05:45 -0400
> > From: David_Horn@...
> > Subject: Stink'n L-smell
> >
> > You could try using solvents in combination with better smoke fluid (I
> like
> > Lehigh Valley Train Service S-Gauge fluid best) to purge the wick. It
> > might take several iterations. I've used the following different
> > combinations to loosen up old wicks with pretty good success - - but
> other
> > times, you just have to replace the wick and coil.
> > 1) Put in several drops of track cleaner followed by several drops of
> smoke
> > fluid. Run the engine a while. Repeat. When you put the engine away
for
> > the night, add a few more drops of track cleaner. I use the blue track
> > cleaner, I'm at work now and can't remember the brand name. (I
actually
> > clean my track with CRC-5-56 on a rag and then a clean cloth.)
> > 2) Squirt TV tuner into a small bottle to collect its fluid. I use a
> empty
> > smoke fluid bottle, the eye dropper comes in handy. Follow the above
> > procedure, but using tuner cleaner instead of track cleaner. Squirting
> the
> > TV tuner cleaner straight into the unit from the can works, but I don't
> > like all the overspray and the propellant chills everything very
suddenly
> > (not sure that's bad - - anyone know?). I've also found Color TV tuner
> > cleaner doesn't work as well, or the same, and regular TV tuner
cleaner,
> > not sure why, just does. (Anyone with any comments?)
> > 3) Use drops of paint thinner, sparingly. Some say it's OK to run the
> > unit. I don't trust the flammability, so I only add this when I know
the
> > unit will sit long enough for the thinner to have likely evaporated
> before
> > next running the engine.
> >
> > The fun in them is in runn'n them.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:49:34 +0100
> > From: kelvin white <kelvin@...>
> > Subject: The S Scale Aligator Hunt
> >
> > My thanks to all the folks who replied to my earlier Email: `Aligators
> > wanted - raid the toy box'. Required for my Sn3 South Carolina logging
> > layout.
> >
> > Richard Snook (Australia) has sent me a small packet of plastic
> > Aligators. There are 12 in a packet - 6 different mouldings (2 of each)
> > According to the moulding on the belly there are two Gavals, two
Caiman,
> > six Crocodiles and two Aligators. All are made in China. Overal length
> > of all of them is between 75 & 80mm (15 ft 9in - 16ft 9in in S scale).
> > Moulding plastic is a yellow ochre colour, with the top of the body
> > sprayed a grey, blue/black, brown as appropiate. The quality of the
> > moulding is good.
> >
> > The Models are marketed by Toysmith (Kent WA) in their Mini Menagerie
> > range item #37400 - Age range 3 & up (so it means we are OK)! The price
> > was $5.99 (Aus) - I've no idea what that is in sterling or US.$s.
> >
> > My thanks for the suggestions of trying Zoos, Aquarians and Aligator
> > Farms - and the University of Florida @ Gainsville.
> >
> > I doubt if it will be possible to get models smaller than 3 inches -
> > risk of swallowing by small children - unless the gators are attached
to
> > a key ring or something.
> >
> > If anybody locates a supply of 2 inch gators, please let me know.
> >
> > In the interim I owe Richard a pint or two
> > --
> > Kelvin White
> > Oxford England
> >
> >
> >
>
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:30:44 EDT
> > From: Kempfam@...
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 14
> >
> > Am looking for an 0-8-0, don't mind a junker, preferably with KC's.
> >
> >
> >
>
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:24:34 -0500
> > From: Wayne Zebron <zebbie@...>
> > Subject: (no subject)
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > In building my American Flyer Layout I am making us of gargraves hi
rail
> > track. I would like to install several uncoulers (AF). I was planing to
> > place a section (half track) of original AF track between the gargraves
> to
> > install the uncouler. I was also thinking there may be a way to install
> the
> > AF uncouple under the layout and design some extension to fit through
the
> > gargraves track. Any ideas out there.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Wayne
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:24:02 -0400
> From: Paul Yorke <yorke@...>
> Subject: Sharing graphics
>
> The best way to share graphic with the list, is to send them to me
> first, I put them on the web, then tell you where they are and you
> mention the link in your note.
> Like http://www.gate.net/~yorke/train.gif is Roger Hinds graphic, and
> http://www.gate.net/~yorke/9600a.jpg is a picture from CD Models.
> They can give you all the details.
>
> --
> Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl.
> American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers
> http://www.gate.net/~yorke (alt e-mail paulyork@...)
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 131 From: David Dewey Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Re: cleaning plastic streamline pass. cars
Hi all,
I've noted quite a few posters to this question have mentioned removing
the shiloutes.
On all my cars they are part of the window, and are *well* glued in. I
have yet to successfully remove them on cars I am repainting. Invariably
they get torn, or misshapen, so I replace them w/ good repros. There are
so-so repros and good ones, can't remember who sells which one!
For just cleaning, I agree, remove the chassis and paper diffuser and
clean the plastic shell. I like to put a blue diffuser in, as it gives the
cars a more prototypical look, as the real cars have fluorescent lighting
and tinted windows. The paper laundries use to wrap cleaned goods in is
perfect! (Hmm, my CHEAP! side is showing!<G>)
S'incerely,
David Dewey
Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the
future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."
Group: S-Trains Message: 132 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/14/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 15
>I've also found Color TV tuner
>cleaner doesn't work as well, or the same, and regular TV tuner
>cleaner, not sure why, just does. (Anyone with any comments?)

Regular TV tuner cleaner would also be known as B&W TV tuner
cleaner?? Therefore that would be correct for steam engines,
except perhaps the color tuner cleaner would be correct for the
B&O Royal Blue????

Ted L

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Group: S-Trains Message: 133 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/15/1998
Subject: How big is that grain bin by the siding, the one with the cone on i
Hi Gang,

Did you ever wonder how much grain the Walthers grain bin would hold in S
scale or how tall you should make that Rix grain bin? Butler has a neat web
page that gives all of the dimensions of all of its grain bins. You can find
the site at http://www.ctbinc.com/gsweb/specs.htm.

If you're really wondering what you can do with a grain bin, check out my
friend Dave Ferre's Grain Bin Living web site at:
http://www.seanet.com/~daf/grainbin.html. -- Keith Thompson (AKA
bubba@...)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 134 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/15/1998
Subject: Re: Cleaning shells
In a message dated 10/15/98 7:06:12 AM, you wrote:

<<Tough spots, a little windex on a rag followed by fresh water (I

rinse with distilled water in a pump bottle, doesn't leave spots).

>>

CAUTION: Never use Windex on CHROME cars! It will strip the chrome before
you realize what's happening!
Doug
Group: S-Trains Message: 135 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/15/1998
Subject: Re: Polishing shells
In a message dated 10/15/98 7:06:12 AM, you wrote:

<<Rub the polish lightly with a soft cloth and wipe off. If any

of the hazy residue remains in nooks and crannies,use a stiff bristle

brush, or a toothbrush or finger nail brush to remove the residue. STAY

AWAY FROM NUMBERS AND LETTERING. This paint is thin and you might cut

through it!>>

After washing shells (I ALSO use Dawn....it is quite mild and does no harm),
Spray it lightly with ENDUST, and polish with a soft clean rag. It will look
liike new! Even steam engines will look like original that way! And Endust
won't harm lettering, etc.
Doug
Group: S-Trains Message: 136 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/15/1998
Subject: S-Trains getting better
Hi Folks,
Had the pleasure of seeing and meeting several of the list members at a
near by show.
Thanks for the kind words about my site.
I just updated the Links page, even marked the new links.
http://www.gate.net/~yorke/links.htm

PS. Please don't use the 'reply button' when you submit to the list, it
just re-sends the same stuff back over the net. Start a 'new message'
and paste in any required stuff.

--
Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl.
American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers
http://www.gate.net/~yorke (alt e-mail paulyork@...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 137 From: David Dewey Date: 10/15/1998
Subject: Re: Chrome removal; Was cleaning shells
Oh yeah??? NEAT!! I have some w/ lousy chrome that I want to paint daylight,
but I've been fretting over how to get the chrome off. Any paticular type of
Windex?? (ammonia free, lemon scent, etc?)
S'incerely,
David Dewey
Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the
future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."
Group: S-Trains Message: 138 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: Re: Cleaning shells
Thanks for the helpful advice quoted below. Now I know exactly what to use to get the last bits of
chrome off my Silver Bullet shell before I send it to you for rechroming!!

Dale Smith

PortLines@... wrote:

> CAUTION: Never use Windex on CHROME cars! It will strip the chrome before
> you realize what's happening!
> Doug
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 139 From: L Montgomery Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: Cleaning Wheels on Lighted Cars
Thanks to all who responded to my earlier questions re cleaning track and cleaning passenger cars. You've been a great help.

Here's yet another one.

How do you clean the wheels on lighted cars to get good electrical contact?

TIA

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Group: S-Trains Message: 140 From: David Dewey Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: Re: Cleaning Wheels on Lighted Cars
Well, here's where I get a "little" fancy. I have polished car trim for
years, so I just go to my polisher (OK, it's a bench grinder mounted on a
post with the guard removed, no 'biggie') and a 'medium sewn' polishing
wheel with some green polish (Green polish is about 1500 grit and it's
intended use is for stainless final buffing--actually called coloring when
you get to that stage of polishing) and I buff the wheels clean. For
beginners, I'd recommend having the wheels off of the trucks, but this can
be done on the trucks after you get used to it. I've even been known to pull
the plastic wheels off and polish the axle centers on steam tender stuff.
BTW, when you get *really* used to it, you can polish plastic wheels
too--BUT this is a good way to make them shapes they weren't before!
What about the guy who doesn't have all this stuff handy?? Well, if you
have a bench grinder, most tool stores sell polishing stuff. So get a wheel
that is 'medium woven' (Wheels are tight, medium and loose--it's easier to
understand when you're looking at them, believe me, it'll be obvious!) and a
small stick of red rouge will do the job for you, and the red rouge will be
a *little* more forgiving--I use the green because I have lots of it, and
that's usually the wheel that's on the machine--I'm LAZYY!! You mount the
wheel on your grinder, and since you're only going to be doing AF wheels,
you can leave the guard on, and your work space won't get quite as messy!
Start the grinder (now polisher) and hold one end of the polishing stick
against the wheel. This will 'load' the wheel and you can now start
polishing. Be careful, as the wheel can grab edges and send your parts
flying. Also, the axle, etc will get warm as you polish. Go to the library
and read all about it, there are more tricks to tell than I can print here,
fortunately you are only trying to get a really clean surface on a small
part, not going for cosmetic stuff (BUT your set-up can make the aluminum
cars shinier than new!)
Oh, if the car wheel is really dirty, I do sometimes clean them first with a
fine wire wheel on the other side of the grinder/polisher.
Once in a while you need to clean the polishing wheel using a fairly sharp
tool, like a screwdriver or a nail by drawing it accross the wheel, then add
more polish.
It is also best to use a flat tool to clean off the grey 'gunk' that usually
builds up on car wheels before polishing, the 'gunk' really is hard to
polish off! (I just hold a small screwdriver agains the wheel tread and
turn the wheel against it, the grey stuff just peels off, same w/ the
plastic wheels)
S'incerely,
David Dewey
Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the
future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."
Group: S-Trains Message: 141 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: Re: Chrome removal; Was cleaning shells
Hi David,

I've found that Lysol's Anti-bacterial Spray Kitchen Cleanser does the most
thorough job of removing "vacuum plated" chrome on models. Windex took too
long and left some flecks in the details. The other stuff took the chrome
off like a pealing snake. -- Keith Thompson (AKA bubba@...)

> ----------
> From: David Dewey[SMTP:djdewey@...]
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 5:48 PM
> To: PortLines@...; S-Trains@onelist.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Chrome removal; Was cleaning shells
>
> From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...>
>
> Oh yeah??? NEAT!! I have some w/ lousy chrome that I want to paint
> daylight,
> but I've been fretting over how to get the chrome off. Any paticular type
> of
> Windex?? (ammonia free, lemon scent, etc?)
> S'incerely,
> David Dewey
> Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the
> future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 142 From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: PRR steam paint scheme
Hi,

I need to paint a PRR steamer. I planning on
using Scalecoat Brunswick Green for the body/tender
but i was wondering if the trucks or underbody or drivers
or ashpan or ?? other parts where painted a different
color?

I seem to remember something like this but could not
remember the reference.

kbt
Group: S-Trains Message: 143 From: John Stephenson Date: 10/16/1998
Subject: Flyer E-Units
My E-Unit coils do not always drop the magnetic field right away , hence
the operation is not as predictable as I would like. If i place a piece
of paper between the coil and the metal plate it works fine on the bench
but.... ????

All suggestions appreciated.

John Stephenson
Group: S-Trains Message: 144 From: Steve Gruninger Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: Re: chrome removal
I've found 2 methods for removing chrome plating from plastic passenger
shells. First try 10% aqueous sodium hydroxide solution (lye, Drano,
oven cleaner). Immersion overnight or so, removes all of the chrome on
some shells which use a "primer" under the chrome. On shells which are
plated directly onto the plastic, sodium hydroxide won't work. In this
case I use masking tape to rip the plating off. Sometimes it comes off
in large sheets sticking to the tape. It doesn't get 100% of the
chrome, but it does a credible job. BTW, sodium hydroxide will burn
skin and attack metal, so use caution. It's also reuseable; just store
it in a white plastic gallon jug.

Steve Gruninger

>
> Oh yeah??? NEAT!! I have some w/ lousy chrome that I want to paint daylight,
> but I've been fretting over how to get the chrome off. Any paticular type of
> Windex?? (ammonia free, lemon scent, etc?)
> S'incerely,
> David Dewey
Group: S-Trains Message: 145 From: mhrreast@juno.com Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: cleaning track
Someone suggested using Scotch Brite pads
for removing rust.

Yes, the rust will come off, but so will some of the
plating on the rails. A long time ago someone
told me to use aluminum foil! It is harder than
the rust, and so removes rust, but is softer than
the plating, and so does NOT damage that.

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/consumer/racing/index.shtml

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Group: S-Trains Message: 146 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 19
To clean the metal wheels on lighted cars, and also the copper spring (that
touches the axle) power pickup--I use Tarnex. Just swipe it on and they
shine immediately.

Good day.

Steve Pendleton

Don't Complain...TRAIN!

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> Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 19
> Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 6:59 AM
>
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> Topics in today's digest:
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> 1. Cleaning Wheels on Lighted Cars
> From: "L Montgomery" <lmontgo@...>
> 2. Re: Cleaning Wheels on Lighted Cars
> From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...>
> 3. Re: Chrome removal; Was cleaning shells
> From: "Thompson, Keith" <keith.thompson@...>
> 4. PRR steam paint scheme
> From: thompson@... (Keith B. Thompson -
Sun)
> 5. Flyer E-Units
> From: jbs@... (John Stephenson)
> 6. Re: chrome removal
> From: seg@... (Steve Gruninger)
> 7. cleaning track
> From: mhrreast@...
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:31:15 -0700
> From: "L Montgomery" <lmontgo@...>
> Subject: Cleaning Wheels on Lighted Cars
>
> Thanks to all who responded to my earlier questions re cleaning track and
cleaning passenger cars. You've been a great help.
>
> Here's yet another one.
>
> How do you clean the wheels on lighted cars to get good electrical
contact?
>
> TIA
>
> Monty
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:25:39 -0700
> From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...>
> Subject: Re: Cleaning Wheels on Lighted Cars
>
> Well, here's where I get a "little" fancy. I have polished car trim for
> years, so I just go to my polisher (OK, it's a bench grinder mounted on a
> post with the guard removed, no 'biggie') and a 'medium sewn' polishing
> wheel with some green polish (Green polish is about 1500 grit and it's
> intended use is for stainless final buffing--actually called coloring
when
> you get to that stage of polishing) and I buff the wheels clean. For
> beginners, I'd recommend having the wheels off of the trucks, but this
can
> be done on the trucks after you get used to it. I've even been known to
pull
> the plastic wheels off and polish the axle centers on steam tender stuff.
> BTW, when you get *really* used to it, you can polish plastic wheels
> too--BUT this is a good way to make them shapes they weren't before!
> What about the guy who doesn't have all this stuff handy?? Well, if
you
> have a bench grinder, most tool stores sell polishing stuff. So get a
wheel
> that is 'medium woven' (Wheels are tight, medium and loose--it's easier
to
> understand when you're looking at them, believe me, it'll be obvious!)
and a
> small stick of red rouge will do the job for you, and the red rouge will
be
> a *little* more forgiving--I use the green because I have lots of it, and
> that's usually the wheel that's on the machine--I'm LAZYY!! You mount the
> wheel on your grinder, and since you're only going to be doing AF wheels,
> you can leave the guard on, and your work space won't get quite as messy!
> Start the grinder (now polisher) and hold one end of the polishing stick
> against the wheel. This will 'load' the wheel and you can now start
> polishing. Be careful, as the wheel can grab edges and send your parts
> flying. Also, the axle, etc will get warm as you polish. Go to the
library
> and read all about it, there are more tricks to tell than I can print
here,
> fortunately you are only trying to get a really clean surface on a small
> part, not going for cosmetic stuff (BUT your set-up can make the aluminum
> cars shinier than new!)
> Oh, if the car wheel is really dirty, I do sometimes clean them first
with a
> fine wire wheel on the other side of the grinder/polisher.
> Once in a while you need to clean the polishing wheel using a fairly
sharp
> tool, like a screwdriver or a nail by drawing it accross the wheel, then
add
> more polish.
> It is also best to use a flat tool to clean off the grey 'gunk' that
usually
> builds up on car wheels before polishing, the 'gunk' really is hard to
> polish off! (I just hold a small screwdriver agains the wheel tread and
> turn the wheel against it, the grey stuff just peels off, same w/ the
> plastic wheels)
> S'incerely,
> David Dewey
> Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the
> future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
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>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:42:23 -0700
> From: "Thompson, Keith" <keith.thompson@...>
> Subject: Re: Chrome removal; Was cleaning shells
>
> Hi David,
>
> I've found that Lysol's Anti-bacterial Spray Kitchen Cleanser does the
most
> thorough job of removing "vacuum plated" chrome on models. Windex took
too
> long and left some flecks in the details. The other stuff took the chrome
> off like a pealing snake. -- Keith Thompson (AKA bubba@...)
>
> > ----------
> > From: David Dewey[SMTP:djdewey@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 5:48 PM
> > To: PortLines@...; S-Trains@onelist.com
> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Chrome removal; Was cleaning shells
> >
> > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...>
> >
> > Oh yeah??? NEAT!! I have some w/ lousy chrome that I want to paint
> > daylight,
> > but I've been fretting over how to get the chrome off. Any paticular
type
> > of
> > Windex?? (ammonia free, lemon scent, etc?)
> > S'incerely,
> > David Dewey
> > Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the
> > future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."
> >
> >
> >
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:06:28 -0400
> From: thompson@... (Keith B. Thompson - Sun)
> Subject: PRR steam paint scheme
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I need to paint a PRR steamer. I planning on
> using Scalecoat Brunswick Green for the body/tender
> but i was wondering if the trucks or underbody or drivers
> or ashpan or ?? other parts where painted a different
> color?
>
> I seem to remember something like this but could not
> remember the reference.
>
> kbt
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
___
>
____________________________________________________________________________
___
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:06:26 -0500
> From: jbs@... (John Stephenson)
> Subject: Flyer E-Units
>
> My E-Unit coils do not always drop the magnetic field right away , hence
> the operation is not as predictable as I would like. If i place a piece
> of paper between the coil and the metal plate it works fine on the bench
> but.... ????
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> John Stephenson
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
___
>
____________________________________________________________________________
___
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:12:13 -0500
> From: seg@... (Steve Gruninger)
> Subject: Re: chrome removal
>
> I've found 2 methods for removing chrome plating from plastic passenger
> shells. First try 10% aqueous sodium hydroxide solution (lye, Drano,
> oven cleaner). Immersion overnight or so, removes all of the chrome on
> some shells which use a "primer" under the chrome. On shells which are
> plated directly onto the plastic, sodium hydroxide won't work. In this
> case I use masking tape to rip the plating off. Sometimes it comes off
> in large sheets sticking to the tape. It doesn't get 100% of the
> chrome, but it does a credible job. BTW, sodium hydroxide will burn
> skin and attack metal, so use caution. It's also reuseable; just store
> it in a white plastic gallon jug.
>
> Steve Gruninger
>
> >
> > Oh yeah??? NEAT!! I have some w/ lousy chrome that I want to paint
daylight,
> > but I've been fretting over how to get the chrome off. Any paticular
type of
> > Windex?? (ammonia free, lemon scent, etc?)
> > S'incerely,
> > David Dewey
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________
___
>
____________________________________________________________________________
___
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:47:53 EDT
> From: mhrreast@...
> Subject: cleaning track
>
>
> Someone suggested using Scotch Brite pads
> for removing rust.
>
> Yes, the rust will come off, but so will some of the
> plating on the rails. A long time ago someone
> told me to use aluminum foil! It is harder than
> the rust, and so removes rust, but is softer than
> the plating, and so does NOT damage that.
>
> Ted Larson mhrreast@...
> http://www.kodak.com/US/en/consumer/racing/index.shtml
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 147 From: Nick and Becky Colleran Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: Sticky reverse (a/ka "E" unit)
A half inch cube of foam placed between the chassis and the protruding piece
of the reverse unit mechanism at the back will make it work reliably. The
plate gets stuck and will not sequence the rachet gear. The foam provides a
"spring" return rather than depending upon gravity to overcome the residual
magnetism and accumulated grime.

I may still have some of the foam with self adhesive back. It's free for a
mailing label and stamp.

BTW - For the purists, Lionel made "E" units. American Flyer called them
reverse
units.

Hope this helps. --- Nick Colleran


>Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:06:26 -0500
> From: jbs@... (John Stephenson)
>Subject: Flyer E-Units
>
>My E-Unit coils do not always drop the magnetic field right away , hence
>the operation is not as predictable as I would like. If i place a piece
>of paper between the coil and the metal plate it works fine on the bench
>but.... ????
>
>All suggestions appreciated.
>
>John Stephenson
Group: S-Trains Message: 148 From: kelvin white Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: Southwind D&RGW 2-8-0s
Hi Folks

Has any body heard from Jettie Paggett recently - does anybody know how
the D&RGW 2-8-0 project is progressing - I know the SP 4-4-2 leapfogged
the 2-8-0 - I have a couple of 2-8-0s on order - it would be interesting
to know the timescale.
--
Kelvin White
Oxford England
Group: S-Trains Message: 149 From: kelvin white Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: American Models 4-6-2 driving wheel size
Hi Folks

As the American Models 4-6-2 is becoming available in undecorated black,
I'm becoming increasingly tempted by it.

Can somebody please advise the actual diam of the driving wheels (over
treads - not flanges) on a SCALE model they should be 79 inchs ie 1.23
inches But may be less to allow for oversized flanges.

Having looked at all of my books on the C&NW and SOO - I've concluded
that the SOO needed a bigger a Pacific than their H3 4-6-2s (75 inch
drivers - 33150 lbs tractive effort) - Thus my AM 4-6-2 will a SOO H4
#s 751-754 79inch drivers or whatever you advise and with 43900 lbs of
tractive effort. As such they would be more powerfull than the F-11, F-
12 Consolidations, but would rank behind the SOO Mikaldos, Mountains and
Northerns.

The next task will be to find an appropiate decal for the SOO $ logo for
the tender.
--
kelvin white
Group: S-Trains Message: 150 From: David Dewey Date: 10/17/1998
Subject: Re: Sticky reverse (a/ka "E" unit)
Nick's right, although they are 'universally' now known as 'e-units'.
Sticky units can also be caused by the brass 'finger that sticks out the
'drop shaped' hole on the side. The hole was punched out, and often this
leaves a sharp edge that starts wearing into the brass finger. When it gets
to the top, it gets slightly wedged and then 'hangs'. My solution is to
carefully, with a jewler's file, round that inner edge withoug changing the
size or shape of the hole. I have also been known to carefully file the
finger so it no longer has that little groove in it from the 'burr on the
hole edge. This must be done very carefully so it will still pick up the
tooth on the drum, and still slide back down too. Hard to describe by
typing!
Residual magnetism can also be a problem, if the coil has been subjected
to DC power, I've been told.
S'incerely,
David Dewey
Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the
future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."
Group: S-Trains Message: 151 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: E-units & Cleaner
Hello Guy"S" ;

In regards to E-unit hangup: I use graphite powder to lubricate the
moving parts. It works quite well. You can use a small modelers paint
brush to work it in. It is messy if you are not carefull. It will not
effect the electrical contact of the fingers.

Roger

Now ----- On to another subject.

A number of you have been discussing cleaners. Boy oh boy, do I have a
product for you. I sell a general cleaner that will alow you to clean
everything in Your house, garage and your train room.
Since I can't demonstrate it by E-mail ("Duh") I will tell you a few
things it does.
First: How I used it on painted surfaces. I had a truck with a dull
paint finish. I sprayed the cleaner on wiped it off. Much to my surprise
it brought out the original gloss in the paint. Now a rinse and a quick
wax to preserve the gloss. Beautiful!
In the house. I used it to clean dirty finger off of white doorway
frames. It worked great with no scrubbing.
So it would be a good product to clean your trains. How it effdects
chrome ? Well it did not hurt the chrome on my car . How about the
train chrome. I haven't tried it yet. However if you wipe it on and wipe
off with a cloth, wet with water I don't forsee a problem.
I had brown pee stains on the rug in my train room. In another spot
creosote stain from a stove pipe. These stains were there for years.
Store bought products would not remove them.
Then I discovered this product. It removed these old stains. Whew! I
thought I was going have my rug replaced.
It is a wall to wall glued down rug.
I have glass cabinets in my train room. I use this product to clean the
glass. It does it without leaving a oily film like windex does. I use it
on my car windows of course.
I use it for most everything with great results.

"OOH OOH" !!! I just remembered. This cleaner is a great bug remover
for your car. Spray it on and the bugs seem to melt off. Let it set a
bit to work and wipe off the bugs.
I use a dab full strength for tough spots.

Now the painfull part. First however I would like to mention. The
quanity when propery mixed (It comes in a concentrated form) with water
is equivelant to 20 quarts of your other liquid cleaner.
This cleaner costs 29.95 for 32 0zs. Before you faint from the price.
Read the third sentance of this paragraph again.
This will fill approx. a 5 gallon container, After properly mixed with
water.

This cleaner is not sold in stores.

Any way to order, send 29.95 plus 5.00 for shipping. $34.95

To:

Roger Hinds
6 Trudeau Rd.
Bethlehem NH

03574
Group: S-Trains Message: 152 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Reverse Units
Sticky reverse (a/ka "E" unit)

If residual magnetism is the cause,
then one ought to be able to use a tape recorder
head demagnetizer to demag the unit.
I will try this when I find my demagnetizer.
If somebody beats me to it, please report.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 153 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: American Flyer PA sets
Hellow everyone!

I love this time of year, fall leaves, cool nights, football, and best of
all AMERICAN FLYER!!!!! I have been collecting for the last 8 to 10
years, and with every fall (when we get busy at work, summer and fall is
our overtime season) I would save and put away to buy AMERICAN FLYER at our
largest train show which is in November.

Of course, S Guagian had wetted my appetite by its beautiful pictures of
the products to come out for that year (again, most products were released
in the fall, another reason for my love of this season). I remember
stopping buy the hobby store in the spring of 1991, bought an issue of S
guagian, I then drove to my eye appointment. Being early, I sat in the car
and started doing my favorite thing, THUMBING THRU THE MAGAZINE FOR
PICTURES OF AMERICAN FLYER.

To my INCREDIBLE SURPISE was a two page spread picture of the MISSOURI
PACIFIC PA set that Flyer had made years ago. Lionel was going to
reintroduce it, along with guess what, (guess now, I can't hear you)
thats, better, you're right, THE EP5 NEW HAVE ELECTRIC. I sat in the car
stunned by the beauty of the products they would release that year (in the
fall).

I remember having to stay many long days and saturdays at work, working my
required overtime. But for some reason, when I knew I was saving up to buy
THAT MO PAC set, and the New Haven EP5 (and all the other offerings that
year) the hours of work really felt alot easier.

Those were great memories, and they have continued every year since!!
Isn't this a great hobby!! Now fall is here again, the colors have
changed, there is a chill in the air, and our November Train Show is
approaching.

Hmmm, what shall I buy this year? maybe that Southern Pacific Daylight set
that I never seemed to have quite enough money for.....love that AMERICAN
FLYER.

Enjoy!!! Wayne
Group: S-Trains Message: 154 From: AFSTrains@xxx.xxx Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 17
In a message dated 10/15/98 7:06:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-
Trains@onelist.com writes:

<< If any of you are planning to attend the Fall S-fest, please say hello if
you see me. My layout
(the Yellow Brick Railraod) will be part of the layout tours on Sunday. -Roy
Roy E. Plotnick >>

Roy, We'll be at S-Fest next month and look forward to visiting with you.
John and Robin Vanacore
Group: S-Trains Message: 155 From: Dennis Back Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Reverse Units/ ANOTHER question
Is there any quick fix for reverse units of the Casey Jones and
Frontier type 2 position units? Mine is erratic.

Thanks,
Dennis Back
Miami, Fl.
Group: S-Trains Message: 156 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Interesting sights
At this past weekend's Railfair train show in Ottawa, there were a couple of
interesting items for S scalers. First was a British S scale set of modules. Beautiful
work. Done with code 75 rail. Gorgeous scenery.
Also I was one of the folks working on the annual raffle layout -- designed to raise
funds for the local children's hospital and serve as a spot were people can ask
questions about building a layout. We were working with the new Scenic Woodlands
materials including the styrofoam risers and inclines which work for 2 per cent and 4
per cent grades. Anyway the risers and inclines are 2.5 inches wide plenty of room for
S scale track and roadbed even though Woodland Scenics only advertises it for N and HO.
I face building a 2 per cent grade on my layout and it looks like the way to go as far
as I'm concerned. There's also a foam cutter and other useful tools. worth checking
out.
cheers
--
Alex Binkley
Hammond, Ont., Canada
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Group: S-Trains Message: 157 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Re: cleaning track
I assume you are talking about original Flyer track. What exactly are the rails plated with? I
thought they were simply steel rails. I have probably ruined a lot of track with abrasives that may
have taken this plating off. I have a lot of my original Flyer track and I can't even remember what I
used on it as a kid.

Dale Smith

mhrreast@... wrote:

> Someone suggested using Scotch Brite pads
> for removing rust.
>
> Yes, the rust will come off, but so will some of the
> plating on the rails. A long time ago someone
> told me to use aluminum foil! It is harder than
> the rust, and so removes rust, but is softer than
> the plating, and so does NOT damage that.
Group: S-Trains Message: 158 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: CD Models
I had an opportunity to visit CD Models last week and I was
impressed with what I saw. I know many in the S community are wary of
new manufacturers as most of us have sent money for new products only to
find that the good intentions of a basement business person are not
matched by production capabilities. CD Models has an established line
of models in the Farm toy marketplace that they are interested in
expanding. The production volumes they deal with lend themselves to the
spin casting technique of production and their existing product
demonstrate that they are very effective at producing items in this
medium. This is a full time small business (which means more than 40
hours per week, crazy hours and sometimes the boss weilds a broom)
established and capable of contributing to the 1/64 scale marketplace.
Here is the opportunity. CD has an established line of farm
equipment and they are starting doing construction equipment. They are
licenced by several large equipment makers so what they do must be
accurate. Being new, they want to know what we need. The PPSSW will
gather catalogs of what is currently available in detail parts to avoid
unnecessary duplication and of course we will make suggestions. Items
that cross over to the farm toy marketplace are really great ideas but
anything could be considered. In our conversations, I suggested
livestock and people as well as building details for grain elevators (OK
so the Minnesota Heartland needs were on my mind). If you have ideas,
use the E-mail address,
Try one of their kits, I now have a 1/64" snowmoblile for the back
of my Ford pickup truck and the snowmobile hood goes up so I can have
one of my scale figures trying to work on the engine. Seems to me that
hood up and working on the engine was the way you saw most early
snowmobiles. This is great detail piece and will compliment the detail
many of us want for our layouts. I also have a big four wheel drive
tractor that will produce a load to compliment my SHS flatcar. I bought
several different wheel and tire combinations that will make good
clutter around the feed store in Marilyn or on the back of a stake
truck.
CD Models will be at the 1999 NASG convention in St. Paul.
Ken
Group: S-Trains Message: 159 From: NYC17819@xxx.xxx Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Cleaning Northerns
GreetingS all

I recently acquired a K335 4-8-4 that needs to have the side frames of the
trailing truck and the side frames of the tender trucks cleaned. What's the
best way to make these "look like new ?"

Thanks in advance,
ChriS Harding
Group: S-Trains Message: 160 From: David Dewey Date: 10/18/1998
Subject: Re: cleaning track
AF track was originally Zinc plated, although some is Cadmium. The 'black'
rail track was 'blued' with a black finish. Both finishes wear off on the
tops of the rails! Ties were blued with a Brown finish (there are names for
both the black and the brown, but it's late and I can't think of them!).
When I recondition rusty track, I often seal it with a coat of clear
acrylic, which has to be cleaned off the top of the rails for electrical
contact. The clear keeps the rest of the track from rusting.
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 161 From: BenTrous@aol.com Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Cleaning Wheels & Replies
I don't have anything approaching a bench grinder with which to clean
wheels...

For you low tech guys I've found using paint thinner cleans the built-up grime
off pick-up wheels and a little metal polish (I use Brasso) will brighten the
wheels. I use paper towel to do both of these jobs.

Interestingly, though, since I have started using electric hair or beard razor
lubricating oil to clean the track, dirty pick-up wheels have not been a
problem. I haven't had to clean any wheels or track since my first
application of the oil to the rails.

Ben Trousdale

P.S. I also have a favor to ask that applies to only some. When responding
to previous messages on the list please don't copy and post the entire
mailing, but only those portions that are relevant to the subject. Some mail
programs start reply messages by copying the entire text including headers and
footers of the message to which you are replying. Much of this can be easily
edited as easily as the body of your actual message by deleting those portions
that are not germane to your subject. Having to scroll through huge amounts
of irrelevant repeated text slows down everything and is an annoyance. Thank-
you.
Group: S-Trains Message: 162 From: TPLCoMinn@xxx.xxx Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Pacific Driver Sizes for Kelvin
Kelvin,
Your questions regarding 4-6-2 driver diameters led me to a couple of
reference books I have. Per the Kalmbach Loco Cyclopedia:

I. C. 1000 Series 75"
G. N. H4 73"
Harriman Light 77"
PRR K4s 80"
USRA Light 73"
USRA Heavy 79"
C. N. J4e 69"
ATSF 3400 Series 79"
C&NW E2 75"
Southern Ps4 72"
B&O P7 80"
Reading G2sa 80"
B&M P4 80"

According to Leslie Suprey's "Steam Trains of the SOO":
Class H 62"
Class H-1 & H-2 69"
Class H-3 75"
Class H-20 69"
Class H-21 thru H-23 75"
I like the idea of fitting the Amer Models into the SOO system as an H-4. I
think I would still remove the domes and a few other details and substitute
appropriate appliances to make it fit the SOO Line family image.

Good Luck,
Tom Lennon
Group: S-Trains Message: 163 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Cleaning wheels
Paint thinner on a Q-tip. Turn the unit over (preferably in a cradle).
With wheels left on, rest the Qtip on the side carriage toward the center,
press out against the wheel getting cleaned, use your thumb and index
finger to turn the wheel on the other end of the axle (acts like a lathe).
Repeat with the dry end of the Qtip to shine. If you remove the wheels,
then also remove half the cotton of a Q-tip, wet with paint thinner, and
clean out the bearings in the side carriages too. Reassemble, oil, and run
'em.
Group: S-Trains Message: 164 From: John Foley Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: York PA.
Hi Folks

I was down at York Pa. set up with the NASG table in the New
Jersay Rails Train Show Valencia Ballroom. This was a three day show from
10/12-14/98
We did well with over $400. in sales. On Friday the 16th I was at the TCA
show
at the fairgrounds. As always a great time. Got to see many friends again.
lots
of AF goodies for sale both old and new. Of course S-Helper, Downs Tanks,
and Ballston Loco Works. Downs announced a new tank car the TankTrain,
Ballston had
their Steam engine shells for AF chassis's. So if you have a AF chassis you
can
do A 4-4-2 camelback, 2-6-4 C.N.J Blue Comet, 4-4-2 Milwaukee Hiawatha, 4-4-2
SP Daylight and a 4-6-4 DREYFUSS HUDSON. These kits come unpainted, painted or
ready to run. So write to Ballston Loco Works P.O. Box 50 Clifton Park NY
12065
[518]383-0963 and ask for a catalog. You can contact downs at 314 Lehigh ave,
Gloucester City, NJ 08030-1217 Phone 609-742-0790 Fax 609-742-1864.
I am sure I forgot to mention someone if I did please let
me know. John Foley
Group: S-Trains Message: 165 From: kelvin white Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 21
In message <908795183.26193@onelist.com>, S-Trains@onelist.com writes
>Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:29:16 -0700
> From: Alex Binkley <alex.binkley@...>
>Subject: Interesting sights
>
>At this past weekend's Railfair train show in Ottawa, there were a
couple of
>interesting items for S scalers. First was a British S scale set of
modules.>Beautiful >work. Done with code 75 rail. Gorgeous scenery.

I presume the layout was Mike Watts - Wandle Valley Railway - and of
course it was excellant work - he is a member of the 'British' S Scale
Model Railway Society :-)
--
Kelvin White
Group: S-Trains Message: 166 From: kelvin white Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Alien attack on American Models
I have grave news for everyone - Ron B has been abducted by Aliens. If
you don't believe me - look on his WWW site, Southern Railway 4 bay
ribbed hopper - in the background is the approaching flying saucer.

Come back Ron......we need you :-)
--
Kelvin White
Oxford England
Group: S-Trains Message: 167 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Re: Alien attack on American Models
"Gort! Deklato prosko!!"

(http://www.yourlink.net/jgerard/gort/index.html#sounds)

> ----------
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> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 11:43 AM
> To: S-Trains@onelist.com; info@...
> Subject: [S-Trains] Alien attack on American Models
>
> From: kelvin white <kelvin@...>
>
> I have grave news for everyone - Ron B has been abducted by Aliens. If
> you don't believe me - look on his WWW site, Southern Railway 4 bay
> ribbed hopper - in the background is the approaching flying saucer.
>
> Come back Ron......we need you :-)
> --
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Group: S-Trains Message: 168 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Re: 2-pos. e-units
In a message dated 10/19/98 7:08:20 AM, you wrote:

<<Is there any quick fix for reverse units of the Casey Jones and

Frontier type 2 position units? Mine is erratic.

>>
A quick shot of tuner cleaner inside it. Oil attracts dust, and then it hangs
up.
If that doesn't work, you'll have to take it apart and clean it out.
Fingers in those units RARELY wear out.
Doug
Group: S-Trains Message: 169 From: kelvin white Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Re: Alien attack on American Models
In message <9B4CA8A24140D211BA1E0008C728FA770FA826@HQ-MSG07>, "Thompson,
Keith" <keith.thompson@...> writes
>"Gort! Deklato prosko!!"
>
> (http://www.yourlink.net/jgerard/gort/index.html#sounds)
>
I bet you a trekkie !!! ;-)
--
Kelvin White
Group: S-Trains Message: 170 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: FLASH!
Racing Champs vehicles
are HALF PRICE at Toys R US!

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 171 From: Vic Bereskin Date: 10/19/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 21
It's not a quick fix, but I would strongly recommend ripping it out,
throwing it away and replacing it with one of QSI's electronic units. They
aren't an exact fit (being made to replace Lionel E-units) but they work
ever so much better than then Flyer two position unit ever did.


Vic Bereskin


> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dennis Back <backden@...>
>Subject: Reverse Units/ ANOTHER question
>
>Is there any quick fix for reverse units of the Casey Jones and
>Frontier type 2 position units? Mine is erratic.
>
>Thanks,
>Dennis Back
>Miami, Fl.
>___________________________________________________________________________
____
Group: S-Trains Message: 172 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: American Flyer tips
Hello everyone from Fred Alles:

Just a note to say thanks to those who are giving the repair hints for
the original American Flyer equipment. I have put several to immediate
use and have found them very helpful in restoring or repairing the
original equipment. I'm glad there are some real "experts" that have
plowed the way before me. I am reliving my youth in finding the
original flyer that I couldn't afford as a kid. The American Flyer club
here in Utah (Golden Spike American Flyer Club) is small but a great
bunch of guys that have a great time at shows running the original
trains and accessories to the amazement of kids and adults that remember
what fun it was in the "good ole days". Even have my son very
interested in doing the same with me. The hints about the repair and
maintenance are appreciated. Keep up the good tips!

Fred Alles in Utah
Group: S-Trains Message: 173 From: RxMan46321@xxx.xxx Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: loose motor mount
Have a 479 with a loose motor. The yoke is not tight to the motor. How can
this be remedied?

The motor mounting is much different than on the 360

John Griffin
Group: S-Trains Message: 174 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: E-Unit
Ack!!!
I do not believe the advice some people give. Never throw away a part
that goes on your AF trains. You will reduce its resale value greatly.
If you must remove the E-unit, put a tag on it with the loco number.

AF e-units can be very aggravating. However when working properly they
are a source of amazement to your visitors. Not to mention they don't
pose a problem when working correctly.

I know, I know. There are those of you that would like to run over
every E-unit in existance with a steam roller.

I run my trains all day every day for the public. I use AF e-units.

Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 175 From: John Foley Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: Train Shows
Hi Folks
Well the next train shows for the NASG banner and me is in at the
old Lackawanna station hotel downtown Scranton PA. Sunday, Oct. 25, The show
is a short wark from Steamtown National Park. A train show and Steamtown WOW!!
Hrs 9-2. On Oct. 31 & Nov. 1st the South Jersay S gaugers have invited the
NASG to use a table at the Greenberg train show in the South Jersay Expo
Center
2323 Rt. 73 Pennsauken, NJ. Hrs. Sat. 11-5; Sun 11-4
Who's going to the S fest? I am with Alan Evans and Jeff Madden
we will man the NASG table and have lots of S Fun. Nov. 5-8 is the date.
Since the dealer room is taken down on Sat the 7th. I asked the Great American
Train Show folks for a table at their Great Midwest Train Show in Wheaton Ill.
So if your still aroud stop in.
Your Friend
John Foley
NASG Eastern VP
Group: S-Trains Message: 176 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: British S
Kelvin had the right name for the British S scale layout at the Ottawa
Railfare show. It was very popular and well done.
Group: S-Trains Message: 177 From: David Dewey Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: Re: loose motor mount
I think this is the later style mount where the yoke and field strap are one
piece. Yoke is screwed to sides of motor chassis, and it has a pin at the
top which goes through the locomotive chassis, using fiber spacer washers
and an 'e' clip. The armature is held in place by two set screws on either
side. This part is a bit tricky, as you have to center the field so it
doesn't touch the armature. Trial by error is the only way I know (Yes, I
wrote the 'by' the way *I* wanted it to read!!<G>) The 360, I think, has a
seperate yoke that pivots at the motor chassis mount. All mine are buried
under boxes right now, can't go look at them!
S'incerely,
David Dewey
Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the
future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."
Group: S-Trains Message: 178 From: Curtis Johnson Date: 10/20/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 22
_______________________________________________________________________________
in ref:
Subject: Alien attack on American Models

I have grave news for everyone - Ron B has been abducted by Aliens. If
you don't believe me - look on his WWW site, Southern Railway 4 bay
ribbed hopper - in the background is the approaching flying saucer.

>>>>> This is Pleidian Beamship that Billy Meier(Swiss farmer)
has hundreds of photos, HEY even aliens know where to find
great S-guage equipment !! Never fear but fear everything!
<<<<< ( this is 1979 model spacecraft not the newer model)
MF&KBY -CurtJ- 'Men are from Mars, Women-Venus; where are
Flyers from? --------
=====================================
Group: S-Trains Message: 179 From: L Montgomery Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Lighted Caboose Buzzes Constantly
Hi again,

I'm gradually getting a pile of AF stuff back into working condition. Here's the latest challenge. I have a lighted caboose with a flagman that is supposed to move back and forth but based on a transformer signal (from the whistle control I think). I can hear the electromagnet click when I operate the whistle control but the caboose buzzes constantly with just track power active. Any advice would be appreciated.

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Group: S-Trains Message: 180 From: David Dewey Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: Lighted Caboose Buzzes Constantly
Hi,
That's what those 'action' cabooses do. I usually carefully take mine
apart (anyone got an 'easy' way to do that??) and put a diode or full
rectifier in the circuit to the coil. No more AC buzz! and it slows down the
action a bit. Be careful that the unit you add is large enough that it
doesn't overheat, and place it so it won't melt something (like the caboose
body)!
S'
David
Group: S-Trains Message: 181 From: Glenn Ritter Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: E-Units
I agree with Roger. I only run Gilbert AF with E-Units. If one goes bad,
I lock it in forward until I can repair it. Never throw Gilbert stuff
away. It may be valuable someday. I would like to see more low cost "S"
produced today for kids who will be operators like us in the future.

Staying on North Penn S Gauge track, Glenn
Group: S-Trains Message: 182 From: Cdmodels@aol.com Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: S-Gauge Trucks
Hey I have new pictures post on Paul Yorkes website Check them out it's a
picture of 5 different grain trucks that we made here at C&D Models. We sell
the kit to make the grain trucks and they will except any of the 1/64th scale
semi cabs being made now. The kit includes a high detail frame, hoist box
hand crank mudflaps hyd. & air tanks, 1/4 fenders. And a few more parts for
detailing the cab once you assemble it. Check them out and thanks again Paul
for posting these pictures for me.

Greg
C&D Models Inc.

PS: Thanks Ken Z for all the kind words and like Ken mentioned in his e-mail.
If there is something you would like to see done please let use know. I.E.
accessories shovels, barrels, what ever it may be.
Group: S-Trains Message: 183 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: S-Gauge Trucks
Can you post the link to the actual page? I couldn't find the photos on
Paul's site. -- Keith Thompson

> ----------
> From: Cdmodels@...[SMTP:Cdmodels@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 1:10 PM
> To: s-trains@onelist.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Gauge Trucks
>
> From: Cdmodels@...
>
> Hey I have new pictures post on Paul Yorkes website Check them out it's a
> picture of 5 different grain trucks that we made here at C&D Models. We
> sell
> the kit to make the grain trucks and they will except any of the 1/64th
> scale
> semi cabs being made now. The kit includes a high detail frame, hoist box
> hand crank mudflaps hyd. & air tanks, 1/4 fenders. And a few more parts
> for
> detailing the cab once you assemble it. Check them out and thanks again
> Paul
> for posting these pictures for me.
>
> Greg
> C&D Models Inc.
>
> PS: Thanks Ken Z for all the kind words and like Ken mentioned in his
> e-mail.
> If there is something you would like to see done please let use know. I.E.
> accessories shovels, barrels, what ever it may be.
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 184 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Grain Trucks
Grain Truck Photo is at http://www.gate.net/~yorke/graintrk.jpg

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Group: S-Trains Message: 185 From: PortLines@aol.com Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: -Repair tips
We're adding detailed AF repair "clinics" to our website. So far, we have
three online. We're open to suggestions for more.......just let us know! We
hope they are helpful.......(Not to mention that we obviously have the parts
needed for you to carry them out, too!!!!!)
Doug Peck 978-465-8798 (Phone or Fax)
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Port Lines @ aol.com http://trainweb.com/crocon/portlines.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 186 From: Richard McClary Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Layout "maintenance"
Folks-

How do you (especially those with layouts) deal with:
1. Dust?
2. Cats?
3. Cat hair and dander?

TIA!
--
Richard McClary
Group: S-Trains Message: 187 From: Dennis Back Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: Layout
> How do you (especially those with layouts) deal with:
> 1. Dust?
My wife never dusts...I'm used to it.

> 2. Cats?
Buy lots of parts from Doug at Portlines. My cat sent my 314AW
falling four feet to the floor!

>3. Cat hair and dander?
I don't know about former, but for the latter...try Head & Shoulders.

Sorry...I couldn't resist this!

Dennis Back
Miami, Fl.
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Group: S-Trains Message: 188 From: Wayne Broadhead Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: bubbling towers
Does anyone have a red oil derrick and a checkerboard water tower for sale?
Group: S-Trains Message: 189 From: David Dewey Date: 10/21/1998
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"
Hmm, Well, I have a copy of "101 Uses for a Dead Cat." That should take care
of 2 & 3!!! <BG>
Actually, my problem is the Birds! But if I had a permanent layout, it
would be in another room, not under the tree in the living room, so that
wouldn't be a problem, as the birds are only in the Living room area.
S'
David
Group: S-Trains Message: 190 From: Mark Preman Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Oil Derrick and Checkerboard Water tower For Sale
Responding to Wayne Broadhead-I have one of each.
Please checkout my list of American Flyer For Sale at:
http://members.tripod.com/~amerflyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 191 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: 479 motor loose
As mentioned earlier - -two types - - one with yoke and field brace
separate, another with them together as one piece. In either case I've
found you should start with being sure you have the right screws and that
they can be securely tightened into the chassis. The two-piece type use a
shoulder screw. Otherwise, work with the centering screws carefully until
the field is centered and snug. On one unit I found a casting nub in one
of the bearing basins was preventing axial centering of the armature- -
lightly file or grind to remove.

PS If you have problems related to axle bearing wear (and that can cause a
lot irritating symptoms/problems), I've found the best thing to do is
replace the chassis with a late model version (complete with wheels, axles,
gears,and bushings). That is if you're first an operator. Collectors
might take issue with this because the wheel flanges are taller than the
old style and they aren't brass/bronze, but it's like getting a new engine
when you're done.
Group: S-Trains Message: 192 From: Mellon, Jay E. Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"
See comments below.
J. Mellon
CCSG, New Orleans, LA

> ----------
> From: Richard McClary[SMTP:ardie@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 8:15PM
> To: S-trains
> Subject: [S-Trains] Layout "maintenance"
>
> From: Richard McClary <ardie@...>
>
> Folks-
>
> How do you (especially those with layouts) deal with:
> 1. Dust?Vacuum cleaner. There are special attachments available (MicroMark).
> 2. Cats? If possible, keep cats away from the layout. (I know that may be difficult to accomplish, but prevention is the best solution.)
> 3. Cat hair and dander? Cat hair + model motors (especially open frame) = DISASTER ! Check motors on a regular basis and clean out hair/gunk as required. Good luck.
>
> TIA!
> --
> Richard McClary
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or
> service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit
> http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> For information contact Paul Yorke (yorke@...) or visit http://www.gate.net/~yorke/smail.htm
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 193 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"
Richard McClary wrote:
>
> From: Richard McClary <ardie@...>
>
> Folks-
>
> How do you (especially those with layouts) deal with:
> 1. Dust?
> 2. Cats?
> 3. Cat hair and dander?
>
> TIA!
> --
How to deal with the cat problem:
In my case, I would not have a cat in the house. In your case; You
have two options.
First (and not likely) get rid of the cat. Second; keep the cat out of
the train room.
(for those that do not know. Cats run the house). ;o)

About the dust. Have no rugs in the train room. If you do, keep it
vacumed. If the layout is in the bedroom you will raise a lot of dust
every time blankets are moved in the bed.
Another point; Smoking will put a residue on yopur rails.
The track oil I sell will stop track problems, as far as dust goes.
Won't do much for hair.

I will send Richard info. on that.

Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 194 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"
David Dewey wrote:
>
David has a tree in his living room? Last years christmas tree? Have all
the needles fallen off David? Or perhaps he got his tree early for
this year.

I also have a bird. How to solve the feather shedding. Pluck the bird?
How about making little coats for the crittrs to stop the shedding?
:o)

David; Try the sample I sent you yet?

Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 195 From: RxMan46321@xxx.xxx Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Cats
A gunney sack and near-by creek have always worked for me

John Griffin
Group: S-Trains Message: 196 From: thompson@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Alan Gibson products
Hi,

Does anyone carry products from Alan Gibson (UK)
or have dealt with him at all (like best way to
contact)? I have a couple pages from his catalogue
that describe some locomotive drivers that I'm
interested in.

kbt
Group: S-Trains Message: 197 From: Keith Thompson Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Need Truck Wheels?
Hi All,

I just got the latest Stratton's e-mail list and saw an item that will come in handy for those of us looking for more realistic wheels for our S scale "toy" trucks. ERTL is offering its truck wheels seperately and Stratton's carries them in a set as follows:

ERTL - TF-1 - 1/64 Price = $2.00
Tractor - Front Axle(1) Assembly For Semi-truck (tires/rims/axle)
--------------------
ERTL - TFR-3 - 1/64 Price = $6.00
Tractor - Front(1) Rear(2) Axle Assembly For Semi-truck (tires/rims/axles)
--------------------
ERTL - TR-2 - 1/64 Price = $5.00
Trailer - Axle(2) Assembly For Semi-truck (tires/rims/axles)

I assume these are the one-piece modern wheels used on trucks since the mid-1960s and not the older "knock-down" wheels with bolts next to the rims. To find out more about these and other ertl parts as well as ordering from Stratton's go to: http://www.dstratton.com/newtoys.html. -- Keith Thompson
Group: S-Trains Message: 198 From: RBubeck327@aol.com Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"
1. A filtered heat and cooling system does wonders for limiting dust. Once in
a while the use of dusting brush and a careful light vacuuming is needed.
2. I would not let any cat anywhere near my trains.

RB
Group: S-Trains Message: 199 From: Chuck Smith Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 24
S-Trains@onelist.com wrote:

> 1. Lighted Caboose Buzzes Constantly
> From: "L Montgomery" <lmontgo@...>

> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:57:23 -0700
> From: "L Montgomery" <lmontgo@...>
> Subject: Lighted Caboose Buzzes Constantly
>
> Hi again,
>
> I'm gradually getting a pile of AF stuff back into working condition. Here's the latest challenge. I have a lighted caboose with a flagman that is supposed to move back and forth but based on a transformer signal (from the whistle control I think). I can hear the electromagnet click when I operate the whistle control but the caboose buzzes constantly with just track power active. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Monty
You have an automated brakenman caboose. The breakman should stay on
the platform when the train runs, held by the solenoid which you hear
buzzing. When the train stops, (power removed) the brakeman leans out
to check the train ahead. That's all it does. There's no control for
this action beyond turning the train on and off.

--
"It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers and the
S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith
Group: S-Trains Message: 200 From: Allen Evans Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: What an E-Unit Is
For those who may not be aware of the term "E-Unit", this as a basic
description:

E-Units are miniature circuit boards that are primarily found in most AC
powered model railroad tracks and some DC powered tracks, but primarily in
the "O" and "S" scale families.

The E-Unit circuit board can be about 1" by 2.1" by 1" in height, and is
designed for universal
use. An E-Unit provides sequential direction control for wound field series
type motors and for the older (very old) locomotives with permanent magnet
DC motors. It has a continuous duty capacity of four (4) amperes of current
flow, sufficient for a two motored locomotive.

While most operators will use AC track power, many "E" units also sequence
with DC track power. The initial "power on" state is user selectable so you
can decide if you want the locomotive to start in
either FORWARD or NEUTRAL. Provision is made so that a switch can be
installed to lock the "E" unit in its initial state. Lock in FORWARD for
automation applications or lock in NEUTRAL to allow sound systems to
function with a static locomotive. If power is off for approximately 6
seconds, the "E" unit will reset to its initial "power on" position, usually
forward.

The "E" unit was also designed for easy installation of accessory items such
as lighting. Many lighting variations are possible and easy to incorporate.
If used for relays, a diode may be required to eliminate chatter or buzzing.


Warren Evans
alevans@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 201 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/22/1998
Subject: Pines and Prairies/NASG 1999 Special
The Pines and Prairies S Scale Workshop is offering a super duper "Big
Kahuna" special in conjunction with the Fall S Fest. Look for the
flashing blue light special (or the big Kahuna hisself) for a package
deal on the 1999 NASG Convention and the four car sets ( Minnesota and
St. Louis covered hoppers or SOO Line potato reefers ). This special
deal is being offered to S-mail readers also! Look for it this weekend
on the NASG 1999 Convention Home page. If you fail to look us up this
weekend, tough luck and watch out for the big Kahuna when you are out
trick or treating.
From the Pines and Prairies S Scale Workshop.... Good Night and happy
1/64" railroading.

******Warning this notice is certified flame proof so don't even
bother***********
Your Friends Ken and Ben and the SD-45 conspiracy guy
Group: S-Trains Message: 202 From: Mac Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 25
We've had some great threads but how to dispose of house cats is beginning
to "top the charts". I was always intrigued with the "two cats,
tails -tied, hung over the clothesline" scenario. Never tried it personally
but the vision is wonderful.

Been down so long, it all looks up to me!

-----Original Message-----
From: S-Trains@onelist.com [mailto:S-Trains@onelist.com]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 1998 4:19 AM
To: S-Trains@onelist.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 25



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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in today's digest:

1. Oil Derrick and Checkerboard Water tower For Sale
From: Mark Preman <amerflyer@...>
2. 479 motor loose
From: David_Horn@...
3. Re: Layout "maintenance"
From: "Mellon, Jay E." <jmellon@...>
4. Re: Layout "maintenance"
From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...>
5. Re: Layout "maintenance"
From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...>
6. Re: Cats
From: RxMan46321@...
7. Alan Gibson products
From: thompson@... (Keith B. Thompson - Sun)
8. Need Truck Wheels?
From: Keith Thompson <kthompso@...>
9. Re: Layout "maintenance"
From: RBubeck327@...
10. Re: Digest Number 24
From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...>
11. What an E-Unit Is
From: "Allen Evans" <alevans@...>
12. Pines and Prairies/NASG 1999 Special
From: Ken Zieska <mhrr@...>


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:03:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Preman <amerflyer@...>
Subject: Oil Derrick and Checkerboard Water tower For Sale

Responding to Wayne Broadhead-I have one of each.
Please checkout my list of American Flyer For Sale at:
http://members.tripod.com/~amerflyer






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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:59:10 -0400
From: David_Horn@...
Subject: 479 motor loose

As mentioned earlier - -two types - - one with yoke and field brace
separate, another with them together as one piece. In either case I've
found you should start with being sure you have the right screws and that
they can be securely tightened into the chassis. The two-piece type use a
shoulder screw. Otherwise, work with the centering screws carefully until
the field is centered and snug. On one unit I found a casting nub in one
of the bearing basins was preventing axial centering of the armature- -
lightly file or grind to remove.

PS If you have problems related to axle bearing wear (and that can cause a
lot irritating symptoms/problems), I've found the best thing to do is
replace the chassis with a late model version (complete with wheels, axles,
gears,and bushings). That is if you're first an operator. Collectors
might take issue with this because the wheel flanges are taller than the
old style and they aren't brass/bronze, but it's like getting a new engine
when you're done.




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:28:30 -0500
From: "Mellon, Jay E." <jmellon@...>
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"

See comments below.
J. Mellon
CCSG, New Orleans, LA

> ----------
> From: Richard McClary[SMTP:ardie@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 8:15PM
> To: S-trains
> Subject: [S-Trains] Layout "maintenance"
>
> From: Richard McClary <ardie@...>
>
> Folks-
>
> How do you (especially those with layouts) deal with:
> 1. Dust?Vacuum cleaner. There are special attachments available
(MicroMark).
> 2. Cats? If possible, keep cats away from the layout. (I know that may be
difficult to accomplish, but prevention is the best solution.)
> 3. Cat hair and dander? Cat hair + model motors (especially open frame)
= DISASTER ! Check motors on a regular basis and clean out hair/gunk as
required. Good luck.
>
> TIA!
> --
> Richard McClary
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or
> service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit
> http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> For information contact Paul Yorke (yorke@...) or visit
http://www.gate.net/~yorke/smail.htm
>


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:49:16 -0700
From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...>
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"

Richard McClary wrote:
>
> From: Richard McClary <ardie@...>
>
> Folks-
>
> How do you (especially those with layouts) deal with:
> 1. Dust?
> 2. Cats?
> 3. Cat hair and dander?
>
> TIA!
> --
How to deal with the cat problem:
In my case, I would not have a cat in the house. In your case; You
have two options.
First (and not likely) get rid of the cat. Second; keep the cat out of
the train room.
(for those that do not know. Cats run the house). ;o)

About the dust. Have no rugs in the train room. If you do, keep it
vacumed. If the layout is in the bedroom you will raise a lot of dust
every time blankets are moved in the bed.
Another point; Smoking will put a residue on yopur rails.
The track oil I sell will stop track problems, as far as dust goes.
Won't do much for hair.

I will send Richard info. on that.

Roger


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:01:46 -0700
From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...>
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"

David Dewey wrote:
>
David has a tree in his living room? Last years christmas tree? Have all
the needles fallen off David? Or perhaps he got his tree early for
this year.

I also have a bird. How to solve the feather shedding. Pluck the bird?
How about making little coats for the crittrs to stop the shedding?
:o)

David; Try the sample I sent you yet?

Roger


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:33:21 EDT
From: RxMan46321@...
Subject: Re: Cats

A gunney sack and near-by creek have always worked for me

John Griffin


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:47:19 -0400
From: thompson@... (Keith B. Thompson - Sun)
Subject: Alan Gibson products


Hi,

Does anyone carry products from Alan Gibson (UK)
or have dealt with him at all (like best way to
contact)? I have a couple pages from his catalogue
that describe some locomotive drivers that I'm
interested in.

kbt



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:56:34 -0700
From: Keith Thompson <kthompso@...>
Subject: Need Truck Wheels?

Hi All,

I just got the latest Stratton's e-mail list and saw an item that will come
in handy for those of us looking for more realistic wheels for our S scale
"toy" trucks. ERTL is offering its truck wheels seperately and Stratton's
carries them in a set as follows:

ERTL - TF-1 - 1/64 Price = $2.00
Tractor - Front Axle(1) Assembly For Semi-truck (tires/rims/axle)
--------------------
ERTL - TFR-3 - 1/64 Price = $6.00
Tractor - Front(1) Rear(2) Axle Assembly For Semi-truck (tires/rims/axles)
--------------------
ERTL - TR-2 - 1/64 Price = $5.00
Trailer - Axle(2) Assembly For Semi-truck (tires/rims/axles)

I assume these are the one-piece modern wheels used on trucks since the
mid-1960s and not the older "knock-down" wheels with bolts next to the rims.
To find out more about these and other ertl parts as well as ordering from
Stratton's go to: http://www.dstratton.com/newtoys.html. -- Keith Thompson




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:32:47 EDT
From: RBubeck327@...
Subject: Re: Layout "maintenance"

1. A filtered heat and cooling system does wonders for limiting dust. Once
in
a while the use of dusting brush and a careful light vacuuming is needed.
2. I would not let any cat anywhere near my trains.

RB


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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:42:23 -0400
From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 24

S-Trains@onelist.com wrote:

> 1. Lighted Caboose Buzzes Constantly
> From: "L Montgomery" <lmontgo@...>

> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:57:23 -0700
> From: "L Montgomery" <lmontgo@...>
> Subject: Lighted Caboose Buzzes Constantly
>
> Hi again,
>
> I'm gradually getting a pile of AF stuff back into working condition.
Here's the latest challenge. I have a lighted caboose with a flagman that
is supposed to move back and forth but based on a transformer signal (from
the whistle control I think). I can hear the electromagnet click when I
operate the whistle control but the caboose buzzes constantly with just
track power active. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Monty
You have an automated brakenman caboose. The breakman should stay on
the platform when the train runs, held by the solenoid which you hear
buzzing. When the train stops, (power removed) the brakeman leans out
to check the train ahead. That's all it does. There's no control for
this action beyond turning the train on and off.

--
"It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers and the
S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith


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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:48:25 -0500
From: "Allen Evans" <alevans@...>
Subject: What an E-Unit Is

For those who may not be aware of the term "E-Unit", this as a basic
description:

E-Units are miniature circuit boards that are primarily found in most AC
powered model railroad tracks and some DC powered tracks, but primarily in
the "O" and "S" scale families.

The E-Unit circuit board can be about 1" by 2.1" by 1" in height, and is
designed for universal
use. An E-Unit provides sequential direction control for wound field series
type motors and for the older (very old) locomotives with permanent magnet
DC motors. It has a continuous duty capacity of four (4) amperes of current
flow, sufficient for a two motored locomotive.

While most operators will use AC track power, many "E" units also sequence
with DC track power. The initial "power on" state is user selectable so you
can decide if you want the locomotive to start in
either FORWARD or NEUTRAL. Provision is made so that a switch can be
installed to lock the "E" unit in its initial state. Lock in FORWARD for
automation applications or lock in NEUTRAL to allow sound systems to
function with a static locomotive. If power is off for approximately 6
seconds, the "E" unit will reset to its initial "power on" position, usually
forward.

The "E" unit was also designed for easy installation of accessory items such
as lighting. Many lighting variations are possible and easy to incorporate.
If used for relays, a diode may be required to eliminate chatter or buzzing.


Warren Evans
alevans@...



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:11:56 -0500
From: Ken Zieska <mhrr@...>
Subject: Pines and Prairies/NASG 1999 Special

The Pines and Prairies S Scale Workshop is offering a super duper "Big
Kahuna" special in conjunction with the Fall S Fest. Look for the
flashing blue light special (or the big Kahuna hisself) for a package
deal on the 1999 NASG Convention and the four car sets ( Minnesota and
St. Louis covered hoppers or SOO Line potato reefers ). This special
deal is being offered to S-mail readers also! Look for it this weekend
on the NASG 1999 Convention Home page. If you fail to look us up this
weekend, tough luck and watch out for the big Kahuna when you are out
trick or treating.
From the Pines and Prairies S Scale Workshop.... Good Night and happy
1/64" railroading.

******Warning this notice is certified flame proof so don't even
bother***********
Your Friends Ken and Ben and the SD-45 conspiracy guy



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Group: S-Trains Message: 203 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: hazard-free degreasing
What should I use instead of paint thinner to degrease parts, chassis,
etc.? My favorite method is to use a pickle jar with about an inch of
paint thinner in the bottom. Drop in whatever (including whole chassis)
needs degreasing, shake (how vigorously depends on what's in the jar),
remove, wipe or brush the remaining grease/oil off, and towel dry. Works
great but oh the fumes, especially now that it's getting colder at night
and open windows are less practical. Has anyone tried "odorless" thinner?
Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 204 From: RxMan46321@xxx.xxx Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Switch machines
Need suggestions for a surface mounted switch machine for those hard to reach
"turnouts". Am using AM track and turnouts.

John Griffin
Group: S-Trains Message: 205 From: David Dewey Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Re: hazard-free degreasing
Hi all,
"paint Thinner" is mearly Mineral Spirits. "Oderless" paint thinner is
Mineral Spirits with some perfume added. Now for the interesting part:
Depending on your Store, Paint Thiner will cost considerably more or less
than Mineral Spirits. Buyer Beware!!<G> The hardware clerks have never been
able to answer why when I've asked.
'Most anything that will disolve the old caked on grease, etc. is going to
aromatic, so I don't have a solution, maybe a little fan in the window? My
air brush painting boot useses an old clothes dryer fan with a small motor
running it, not the original big dryer motor. The hose is just run out the
window, and you could make a plywood filler to keep the outside air outside,
and inside air inside.
The "ideal" degreaser set up is an ultrasonic cleaner. I don't have one,
but I visited a repair shop that does, and it's neat! I'd suggest hitting a
college surplus auction, I have a friend who picked up one a few years ago
for around $20. He never uses it, but won't sell it, or loan it, to me!!!
How's it work? You drop your loco into this water w/ a little non-foaming
wetting agent (ie: a soap of some sort) and the grease, etc. is just
vibrated off!
Really keen, he just drops whole loco motors in. He claims he can do a
cleaning and lubing that way without disassembling it. Don't think I could
do that, I'd still take the electrical componants off and then put the
chassis in. I KNOW I'd remove smoke units first! But then I'm usually
finicky.
S'incerely,
David Dewey
Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the
future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."
Group: S-Trains Message: 206 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: E-units
E-units were in existance before the term "circuit board existed".
And the unit always has been the reverse unit.

I have never heard of a circuit board in track. A circuit board is what
all your electrical components (transistors, diodes, resistors etc) are
hitched to. And it has a road map consisting of (foil like) circuits
instead of wires.

I just had a thought. I think that fellow is refering to a diagram (with
lights in it) of the track plan at the control tower. Seems to me in the
early 50's this was refered to as a circuit board.

Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 207 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Switch Machines
First of all; experienced model railroaders learned that having hard to
reach switch machines is a NO NO. After a while you will be sorry.
(Then again maybe not) Unless you are one of the lucky ones.

Anyway. Atlas made switches in "O" guage (sorry) Perhaps the machines
for them will be of use. You will have to check with atlas.

Also Peco has various switch machines. Their address is;
Pritchard Patent Product co.ltd.
Beer, Seaton, Devon,ex12 3na.England

Boy! some address.

Some fellows have run a stiff wire from the edge of the layout to the
track switch. And with proper leverages etc. it worked out fine.

There have been many articles on the subject over the years.

Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 208 From: Roger Hinds Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Grease removal
I think what you use, is what you are comfortable with.

Personaly, I use gasoline. I go to an area out side where there is no
chance of flames or sparks. I use a small brush and small amounts of
gas.

If I get any on my clothes I rinse with water right away, which is
seldom.
NOTE: I am NOT recommending gas. I just am letting you know what I use
and the precautions I take.

After the train part has dried I blow it off with air pressure.

Also take into consideration; Can the product you use harm the Paint,
chrome, decals, or rubber tires.

Paint thinner is also flammable by the way. WD40 Allowed to soak in
the grease will work in some cases.
However; The best choice is to get it out completly and start fresh with
new grease.

The main problem, is OLD original Grease in AF trains hardens in the
axel frame holes, and might take a few treatments to get it out. I use
white litheium grease as a replacement. There is lubricating grease. But
I call this "slippery" grease. This is great for AF gears. DO NOT use
vaseline. It is OK for a while. but it gets thick and pasty gumming the
works up.

Roger
Group: S-Trains Message: 209 From: TPLCoMinn@xxx.xxx Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Alan Gibson
I am not aware of anyone on this side of the pond carrying the Alan Gibson
range. If you hear otherwise please let me know.

Alan Gibson (Workshop)
The Bungalow, Church Road
Lingwood, Norwich, Norfolk, UK
NR13 4TR

Tel & Fax 01603 715862 (8am-6pm GMT, Mon-Sat ONLY please!)
Group: S-Trains Message: 210 From: JOPKE, WALTER Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Lake Special 99 - The 1999 NASG National Convention Webpage
Because of the very hard work of Craig O'Connell, the web page for the 1999
NASG National Convention is now ready. Please pay special attention to the
"S Fest" link. As "flameproof" Ken Zieska pointed out in yesterday's
S-Trains, there is a "Big Kahuna" special offering. The address of the
"Lake Special 99" web page is:

http://trainweb.com/nasg1999

"Come to the Pines in 99!"

The SD45 Conspiracy Guy
Group: S-Trains Message: 211 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/23/1998
Subject: Thursday report
The Pines and Prairies S Scale Workshop meetings seem to revolve around
the 1999 Convention but we did huddle and discuss the Minnesota
Heartland a bit last night. As a result, there is about 20 more feet of
mainline that will be realigned, another bridge moved and of course
chaos.
One advantage of having a club is that when the box of train goodies
come to the house you can always say...well most of it is for Tom, Walt,
Dave or whomever. Tonight I found a 17 inch monitor on sale for a steal
so I picked it up. Shouldn't be hard to sneak that it I figured.....
Little did I realize that some of the monitors were made in black
cases. It looks great but I think I would have better success hiding a
dozen brass locomotives on the layout than getting by with this. Oh am
I going to be in trouble when Marilyn comes back to town. Sounds like I
better have the wash done and the house picked up... I wonder if flowers
would be to much.
Stay tuned for more trials and tribulations on the Minnesota Heartland
and stop on over to see the results next summer.
Ken
Group: S-Trains Message: 212 From: RxMan46321@aol.com Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 26
What happened to the rest of the messages? Only got #1
Group: S-Trains Message: 213 From: Chuck Smith Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 26
S-Trains@onelist.com wrote:
> 3. Switch machines
> From: RxMan46321@...
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:08:10 EDT
> From: RxMan46321@...
> Subject: Switch machines
>
> Need suggestions for a surface mounted switch machine for those hard to reach
> "turnouts". Am using AM track and turnouts.
>
> John Griffin
>
I have used an AM switch with the AM surface mounted switch motor and
was very satisfied with the results. The switch works perfectly. See
if AM will supply the switch motors separately to avoid the expense of
buying new switches. If you have the older AM switches without the motor
mounts simply position the motor next to the switch and secure it with a
little silicone cement or caulk. The switch motors are small and
unobtrusive. If you want to include any power switching use an Atlas
snap relay for that. I used one to power and unpower the siding from
the switch position.
Alternatively: If you examine the AM switch motors they are really Atlas
HO units with an extended throw arm to provide the correct displacement
for S gauge. I suspect it would not be that hard to rig up an Atlas
switch motor to operate an AM switch if you're so inclined. The
advantage there is that HO machines are available at virtually any hobby
shop.
--
"It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers and the
S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith
Group: S-Trains Message: 214 From: David L. Cooke Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: SWITCHMACHINES
If anyone needs switchmachines I have approx 100 Switchmaster inclding
the dpdt switches they were bought for $ 29.95 each I am selling them
for $ 10.00 each
David Cooke
Group: S-Trains Message: 215 From: Keith Thompson Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: Re: Thursday report
Hey Ken,

Why don't you try the Post-It trick. You know, cover the edge of the
monitor in Post-It notes and hope she doesn't notice the background is black.

Another trick might be to "weather" the new monitor and convince her that
the old one caught on fire but you doused the blaze before anymore damage
was done. That'll explain the swelling too. Another advantage to this
scheme is that she may feel sorry for you and buy you a 21" monitor. If she
does, just remember your old buddy in Washington that gave you the idea.

You know, maybe I've been watching too much Red Green lately. -- Keith
Thompson


At 12:15 AM 10/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Ken Zieska <mhrr@...>
>
>The Pines and Prairies S Scale Workshop meetings seem to revolve around
>the 1999 Convention but we did huddle and discuss the Minnesota
>Heartland a bit last night. As a result, there is about 20 more feet of
>mainline that will be realigned, another bridge moved and of course
>chaos.
>One advantage of having a club is that when the box of train goodies
>come to the house you can always say...well most of it is for Tom, Walt,
>Dave or whomever. Tonight I found a 17 inch monitor on sale for a steal
>so I picked it up. Shouldn't be hard to sneak that it I figured.....
>Little did I realize that some of the monitors were made in black
>cases. It looks great but I think I would have better success hiding a
>dozen brass locomotives on the layout than getting by with this. Oh am
>I going to be in trouble when Marilyn comes back to town. Sounds like I
>better have the wash done and the house picked up... I wonder if flowers
>would be too much.
>Stay tuned for more trials and tribulations on the Minnesota Heartland
>and stop on over to see the results next summer.
>Ken
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 216 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: three axel lust
I really hate to do this but I feel that it is only fair to report the
depths to which our friend Walt, the SD45 conspiracy guy has fallen to.
The Northern Pacific Railway Historical Society calendar for 1999 has a
photo of a pair of brand new SD-45 in front of the Mississippi Street
shops. Walt has scratch built a wonderful model of the Mississippi St.
shops and has lusted after SD-45's for ever. I am sure you see the
problem. He is convinced that the only reason that this engine, the
gustiest three axle engine ever, has not been built must be a conspirisy
by the manufacturing community of S. After all this is the Allegheny,
Daylight and Mohawk of Diesels all built into one and if the PA will go
around corners, this would also. Walt is like a teenage boy with a copy
of National Geographic, lusting over these shapely babies, he needs a
diversion...... How can you help? Well Walt is doing registration for
the NASG 1999 Convention. When you send him your registration include a
note of encouragement. We have suggested a 12 step program for Diesel
dependency and support from his friends will be important.
Well I need to get back to cleaning the house, I am still trying to
explain the carton of Pacific Rail Shop NP Reefers, a new snow blower
and now this monitor.... I need some serious brownie points If your
sending me trains. better send them to work, I am running out of
excuses.
Ken Z.
Group: S-Trains Message: 217 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 10/24/1998
Subject: AF Roadbed
Does anyone have Gilbert roadbed, in gray, they want to sell? I have just
gotten a couple dozen pieces, and now I have the itch to do my current
loops and two or three more with gray roadbed.

Thanks.

Steve Pendleton
bestofbreed@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 218 From: mhrreast@juno.com Date: 10/25/1998
Subject: MISC
Cats - I think you guys misunderstood. The way I read
it, Richard was asking for help in superdetailing his layout
when he asked how we deal with dust, cats, and cat hair.
1. Dust, use scale size dust, available coming OUT of
any vacuum cleaner bag.
2. Cats, C&D has been asking for suggestions, maybe they
would offer a scale size cat in their line.
3. Cat hair - for the above mentioned cat casting? I would
think that some that painting the cat with a flat color, and
then blowing some of that scale size dust onto it would
look good.

Degreasing - There are some citrus based cleaners that do a
great job of cleaning. Check the home or auto section of your
neighborhood super store.

Actuating switches. I like the BK switch stands. For the stiff
wire method, a auto manual choke cable works well. There was
an article on this in the Dispatch within the last few years.

Ken - you also can tell Marilyn that some of those reefers and other
goodies are for Ted, and that they are delivered to your house so that
Ted does not get in trouble! BTW, I know that new monitor would
work better than roses at my house, so if the Post-Its (R) and
weathering don't fly, send the monitor when you send the reefers!

THANKS all for the C&D info. Keep that info about new
manufacturers coming in.

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
http://members.aol.com/FLCCC/55larson.htm

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Group: S-Trains Message: 219 From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton Date: 10/25/1998
Subject: AF Air Chime Whistle
I have just bought and received a Hudson with air chime whistle. I hooked
up a test track and the air chime controller and set the engine on the
track.

The "whistle" sounds more like a hoarse frog. I have heard the diesel
horn, and this sound was not even that good.

Are the air chime whistle and the diesel horn supposed to be the same
sound? If so, I would rather send back this Hudson (the seller has agreed
to take it back) and put the money I paid for it, toward another engine I
don't have. I already have a 322 w/o whistle. And I have a 314AW incl.
controller that is "close" to working--I think the controller needs a
replacement component.

thanks to anyone who can shed light on the "whistle issue."
Group: S-Trains Message: 220 From: David Dewey Date: 10/25/1998
Subject: Re: AF Air Chime Whistle
Welcome to the disapointing world of the AF Air Chime Whistle. I read about
these whsitles in my catalogs and dreamed of having one for years. When I
finally got one, I thought it was broken! Some people claim to have gotten a
fair sound out of them, I dunno. I do have a 346 with the controller with a
slide switch, haven't tried it out yet, maybe it's more realistic?
S'incerely,
David Dewey
Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the
future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."
Group: S-Trains Message: 221 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: degreasing, air chime, chassis
On the citrus cleaners - - sounds good, do you have any product names? I
looked at Simple Green and others like that this weekend, and while "safe
for general health" they still have many of the same warnings. Air chime,
while called a whistle, isn't. If yours sounds more like the buzz or honk
of a modern ambulance than a whistle, that's the way they are. Even
cleaning the contacts in the controller only makes the disappointing sound
louder. Different dielectric capacitors don't help much either. I removed
mine from my layout. I prefer the Whistling billboard. Don't have a
314AW. Please let us know how that comes out. On the late model Alco
chassis I mentioned earlier, you will need to tap the holes - - if I recall
correctly some are 4X40 others 6X32 (at work now, don't have mine handy).
Group: S-Trains Message: 222 From: JOPKE, WALTER Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: "Mental Health" and Model Railroading
Ken Zieska makes a valid point. I AM desperate. But he did not do justice
to the depths of my desperation. He forgot to tell you that I do own one of
the Overland S scale brass SD40-2's. The good news is that the SD40-2 and
the SD-45 share the same chassis length and wheelbase. The bad news is that
the SD40-2's have a newer 3 axle truck. However, the River Raisin SD7/9
brass model, while too short for an SD-45, has basically the correct truck
style. So I'm thinking - locate a River Raisin SD7/9 and 'bash-it with my
SD40-2 into a nice SD-45. But, then, what do I do for the 2nd and 3rd units
I need?

If you have a chance, take a look at the Northern Pacific Railway Historical
Society 1999 calendar. I just have to be able pose two of those beauties in
the front of my Mississippi Street shops. But anyone who knows anything
about the history of this engine just has to model the original GN "Hustle
Muscle". (If you make it to St Paul in July for the "Lake Special 99", I
sure hope you include some time to hike up to Duluth - the original Hustle
Muscle has been restored.)

The SD-45 Conspiracy Guy
Group: S-Trains Message: 223 From: Thompson, Keith Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Re: "Mental Health" and Model Railroading
Hi Walter,

Actually, the SD40-2 shares the same chassis as the SD45-2 which is
approximately 3' longer than the SD45. To confuse matters even more the
SD40A (IC only), SD45T-2, and SD40T-2 use the same chassis as the SDP45
which is almost 6' longer than the SD45.

For your bashing, you'd be better off starting with the River Raisin SD7/9
frame that's sold separately (I think Heimberger House still has some.) Then
use a pair of American Models GP35 shells to make the SD45 since a GP35 is
closer in latch and door placement than the SD40-2. The toughest part would
be modeling the angled radiators and the hump on top of the air intake. A
lot of folks did this in HO using Athearn's GP35 and a Tenshodo SD9 drive
before Athearn had its SD45 out. -- Keith Thompson

> ----------
> From: JOPKE, WALTER[SMTP:jopke@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 9:30 AM
> To: 'S-Trains@onelist.com'
> Cc: 'sgaugemn@...'
> Subject: [S-Trains] "Mental Health" and Model Railroading
>
> From: "JOPKE, WALTER" <jopke@...>
>
> Ken Zieska makes a valid point. I AM desperate. But he did not do
> justice
> to the depths of my desperation. He forgot to tell you that I do own one
> of
> the Overland S scale brass SD40-2's. The good news is that the SD40-2 and
> the SD-45 share the same chassis length and wheelbase. The bad news is
> that
> the SD40-2's have a newer 3 axle truck. However, the River Raisin SD7/9
> brass model, while too short for an SD-45, has basically the correct truck
> style. So I'm thinking - locate a River Raisin SD7/9 and 'bash-it with my
> SD40-2 into a nice SD-45. But, then, what do I do for the 2nd and 3rd
> units
> I need?
>
> If you have a chance, take a look at the Northern Pacific Railway
> Historical
> Society 1999 calendar. I just have to be able pose two of those beauties
> in
> the front of my Mississippi Street shops. But anyone who knows anything
> about the history of this engine just has to model the original GN "Hustle
> Muscle". (If you make it to St Paul in July for the "Lake Special 99", I
> sure hope you include some time to hike up to Duluth - the original Hustle
> Muscle has been restored.)
>
> The SD-45 Conspiracy Guy
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 224 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Re: Horns and Whistles
In a message dated 10/26/98 5:08:54 AM, you wrote:

<<Are the air chime whistle and the diesel horn supposed to be the same

sound? If so, I would rather send back this Hudson (the seller has agreed

to take it back) and put the money I paid for it, toward another engine I

don't have. I already have a 322 w/o whistle. And I have a 314AW incl.

controller that is "close" to working--I think the controller needs a

replacement component.

>>

The "air chimes" don't have great tone......nor do the diesel "horns". They
all sound like buzzers! The BEST sound comes from the 314AW, because it is a
totally different mechanism......not just a speaker that buzzes. For that
matter, the billboard steam whistles are far better sound than the engines
themselves!
Doug Peck 978-465-8798 (Phone or Fax)
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Port Lines @ aol.com http://trainweb.com/crocon/portlines.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 225 From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Re: AF Air Chime Whistle
Air chime whistles are one of the weaknesses in Gilbert Flyer. The quality of
the sound that you do obtain is very dependent on the vibrator in the control
unit. The vibrators are a variation of what used to be used in 6 volt power
supplies for car radios in the 1950's. More authoritive sound can be had by a
careful hand selection of a vintage sample, but this is a trial process.
Those that are handy (and harty) can atttempt to cut and old can vibrator open
and play with the gap adjustment.

Hope that this is not too discouraging. I have acquired some vibrators that
do result in a decent sound, given the limitations of the beast.

RB
Group: S-Trains Message: 226 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Target
Unadvertised Special at Target:

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Group: S-Trains Message: 227 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Modern S group
Hi:
> I received a letter today from Dave Bailey about his plan to wind up the
> Modern Prototype S Scale Modelers SIG. He cites an overwhelming lack of
> interest on his part. I wonder if anyone else on this list beside Hilary
> Smith and I belonged to this SIG and whether there is any interest in
> trying to revive it.
> cheers
> --
> Alex Binkley,
> Hammond, Ontario, Canada

--
Alex Binkley,
Hammond, Ontario, Canada
Group: S-Trains Message: 228 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Re: Modern S group
Hi Alex and all -

I am not sure who is quoting whom here but - if this SIG is the Proto-64
SIG then the only thing holding me back is the word "modern".

I would like to participate in a P:64 sig or whatever but my date is
1935.

This sig could be like Prototype Modelers who quite successfully
represent specific cars - I think there is no specific era or scale
involved.

Or - this sig could be Proto:64 - for any era.

Do you know more about it? I have been a little disappointed in the
interest expressed in Proto:64 - seemed to hit its peak and then die
off. Maybe this is the way back into it.

Sometimes I think that S scalers are so used to being lone-wolfs that
they just don't respond to group activities. A group will be useful if
the manufacturers respond to interests of a larger group with scale
details, wheel sets, etc..

Art Armstrong
aarmstro@...

> From: Alex Binkley <alex.binkley@...>
>
> Hi:
> > I received a letter today from Dave Bailey about his plan to wind up the
> > Modern Prototype S Scale Modelers SIG. He cites an overwhelming lack of
> > interest on his part. I wonder if anyone else on this list beside Hilary
> > Smith and I belonged to this SIG and whether there is any interest in
> > trying to revive it.
> > cheers
> > --
>
Group: S-Trains Message: 229 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Re: Modern S group
Alex,

I model the modern era, the 90's and am very keen to communicate with like others, especially as it is a way for me to go to see the real thing!!! I wondered what happened to that group; had noticed it on the NMRA pages. Were many involved?? I would be a starter for some sort of group!!

cheers

Richard :-))



-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Binkley [SMTP:alex.binkley@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 4:08 PM
To: s-trains@onelist.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Modern S group

From: Alex Binkley <alex.binkley@...>

Hi:
> I received a letter today from Dave Bailey about his plan to wind up the
> Modern Prototype S Scale Modelers SIG. He cites an overwhelming lack of
> interest on his part. I wonder if anyone else on this list beside Hilary
> Smith and I belonged to this SIG and whether there is any interest in
> trying to revive it.
> cheers
> --
> Alex Binkley,
> Hammond, Ontario, Canada

--
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Group: S-Trains Message: 230 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/26/1998
Subject: Sad note
I just received a phone call from Dave Jasper informing me of Ken
Mackenzie's death. Ken has been fighting cancer this year and passed
away today. Dave and Ken were very dear friends of many years and Dave
had the opportunity to visit Ken this weekend in the hospital. Ken
will be remembered for many things, his wonderful smile and the twinkle
in his eye when he greated you, his kindness and friendship. While Ken
never built his dream layout, he participated in our hobby in many
ways. Ken started the S SIG in the NMRA back in 1985, publishing a
delightful newsletter the ESSENCE for a little over two years. Ken was
active in the Badgerland group and hosted many late night social
discussions at the S Fest.
I am sure a better memorial for Ken Mackenzie will be prepared but I
would ask us all to take a moment in our busy lives to fondly remember a
friend. Share your prayers for Ken and his family who grieve the loss.
Be thankful for the gift of life, family and friends we still enjoy and
share a smile in memory of the one's we will no longer share with Ken
Mackenzie
Group: S-Trains Message: 231 From: Hilary Smith Date: 10/27/1998
Subject: Re: Modern S group
Alex & All:

I believe the focus of this SIG was just a bit too narrow but a Proto 64 SIG may well have a larger
audience. What that needs in order to happen, IMO, is for at least one person to take charge and make
it happen. There are a couple of key people in the other Proto XX movements without them . . . maybe
those organizations would not exist.

Sounds to me like there is a handful of people on this list who would be interested in being part of a
Proto 64 SIG. But the question to those people, myself included, is whether we have the sufficient
interest to devote time, energy, and money to making it happen.

I'm still chewing over what role, if any, I would want to take on in such an endeavor.

Hilary Smith
Northern Virginia

Alex Binkley wrote:

> From: Alex Binkley <alex.binkley@...>
>
> Hi:
> > I received a letter today from Dave Bailey about his plan to wind up the
> > Modern Prototype S Scale Modelers SIG. He cites an overwhelming lack of
> > interest on his part. I wonder if anyone else on this list beside Hilary
> > Smith and I belonged to this SIG and whether there is any interest in
> > trying to revive it.
> > cheers
> > --
> > Alex Binkley,
> > Hammond, Ontario, Canada
>
> --
> Alex Binkley,
> Hammond, Ontario, Canada
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 232 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/27/1998
Subject: Modern S group
Hi:
Hilary Smith, Arthur Armstrong and Richard Snook all replied to my query
about the Modern SIG. It seems there is a desire for more on proto 64
with modern S an offshoot espy for steam-era Arthur. I think will write
Richard Bailey to get his list of those who are the modern list. anyone
got a handle on who's interested in proto 64. maybe for starter we need
to keep lists of those who are interested in either or both.
suggestions?
cheers

--
Alex Binkley,
Hammond, Ontario, Canada
Group: S-Trains Message: 233 From: esquivel Date: 10/27/1998
Subject: Re: Modern S group
hello, i am interested in the modern stuff. does anyone know if they make
an S guage engine that talks and whistles and smokes and makes steam
noises. I would love to have one. It does not have to be new.
thanks esquivel
esquivel@...

----------
> From: Alex Binkley <alex.binkley@...>
> To: Hilary Smith <hilsmth@...>
> Cc: aarmstro@...; richard.snook@...;
s-trains@onelist.com
> Subject: [S-Trains] Modern S group
> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 9:32 PM
>
> From: Alex Binkley <alex.binkley@...>
>
> Hi:
> Hilary Smith, Arthur Armstrong and Richard Snook all replied to my query

> about the Modern SIG. It seems there is a desire for more on proto 64
> with modern S an offshoot espy for steam-era Arthur. I think will write
> Richard Bailey to get his list of those who are the modern list. anyone
> got a handle on who's interested in proto 64. maybe for starter we need
> to keep lists of those who are interested in either or both.
> suggestions?
> cheers
>
> --
> Alex Binkley,
> Hammond, Ontario, Canada
>
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 234 From: Richard Snook Date: 10/27/1998
Subject: Modern, proto etc
Hello all,

I get the gist that what some of us would like and maybe others might like to join, is as Alex alludes to and I think Arthur mentioned, a Prototype Modellers type setup..formal or otherwise. The driver behind most Prototype Groups is a desire to maintain fidelity to the original, be it locomotives, rolling stock or engineering infrastructure (read wheels,track, bridges,buildings etc). Personally I think more the merrier!!!! comments????


:-)) Richard
Group: S-Trains Message: 235 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/27/1998
Subject: Proto 64 - group
As soon as you establish one or two contact persons,
and a 'mission statement' I can set you up with a web page, so
new s-trains folks and web surfers can find you.

The best part about the web is that you can start relationships with
other that share a common interest, reguardless of where in the
world you are. I bet once you guys get going, more of the
non-Flyer oriented folks will express an interest.

Maybe a chat session??

--
Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl.
American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers
http://www.gate.net/~yorke (alt e-mail paulyork@...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 236 From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Date: 10/28/1998
Subject: Canadians
I would like the e-mail addresses for Canadian subscribers to S-Trains.
This is for the purpose of expanding the list used by S Canada and
Canadian S Scale Quarterly.
Submissions will be gratefully acknowledged.
Joe Pereira
Group: S-Trains Message: 237 From: kelvin white Date: 10/28/1998
Subject: Re: Digest Number 26
>Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:47:19 -0400
> From: thompson@... (Keith B. Thompson - Sun)
>Subject: Alan Gibson products
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone carry products from Alan Gibson (UK)
>or have dealt with him at all (like best way to
>contact)? I have a couple pages from his catalogue
>that describe some locomotive drivers that I'm
>interested in.
>
>kbt

Hi Keith
Drop him a line,Alan Gibson will except mastercard orders, specify if
you want goods send surface or airmail - if you are real stuck I will
order for you and ship on.
>

--
Kelvin White
Oxford England.
Group: S-Trains Message: 238 From: Chris Palomarez Date: 10/28/1998
Subject: Modern and proto interest
Hello to everyone,

I'm very much interested in a proto and/or modern group to take part
in. I just joined S scale and still pretty much an arm chair modeller
until I cultivate more ideas and information about where to begin and
what detail parts are available and what I'll need to cast myself. A
knowledge base and a place where to exchange ideas and give clinics for
proto 64 or modern equipment would be very much welcome by me! Keep me
informed.

Chris Palomarez
Group: S-Trains Message: 239 From: JOPKE, WALTER Date: 10/28/1998
Subject: Power chassis for River Raisin SD7/9 Locomotive
River Raisin had separately offered the power chassis (base, trucks with
wheelsets, motors and gears, brass details) for their SD7/9 locomotive.
Does anyone have one of these available they would be willing to sell? If
so, please contact Walt Jopke @ jopke@....

Thanks,

Walt
Group: S-Trains Message: 240 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/28/1998
Subject: Busted
Well it had to happen, I worked late tonight and called home. Marilyn
mentioned that she had been in the den and wondered where or where did
that big new monitor come from. I of course told her about how eyesight
gets less keen as you get old and all of that but she had me on the hook
and played it for all she could. I offered to let her read all the good
advice I received from the S Mail guys on how to hide it which she found
very funny. So anyway, the monitor stays and for now she says I can
also.
I was distroying some more of the layout tonight which is never fun.
Elizabeth asked if she could help and so we worked on it together. I
guess, I may have gotten more work done alone but I would not have
enjoyed it as much.
I have not seen an S Mail since Sunday. I am going to try to track back
one mail or what ever that was but I would also like to know everyone is
still out there.
Ken
Group: S-Trains Message: 241 From: John Foley Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: Proto 64
Hi Folks
A couple of years ago I asked Dave Heine to edit a column in the
Dispatch on Sn3. This has worked out just fine. So if there is any modeler
who would like to edit a column about Proto 64 and use it to get a list of
folks who are interested in this please let me know and I we take it up with
Jeff madden and the NASG board. If interested please include your phone no.
and I will get back to you.
John Foley
NASG Eastern VP
Group: S-Trains Message: 242 From: kelvin white Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: Modern Prototype 'S'cale Modellers Group
Hi All

I received the same letter as you from Dave Bailey.

I had previously offered (to Dave) to edit a MPSM newsletter on a shared
basis, in the same way as the CSSQ. He never replied.

I am in favour of keeping the group going (email only if necessary),
however the discussions have been about two subjects which need to be
seperated out.

Modern Prototype Modelling - ie: S scale modelling within the last 20
years.

Proto 64

I don't believe they should be the same group. I would support both but
I don't want to see them mixed - it was wrong for Randy and Dave to try
to use MPSM to push P64, after all P64 is not date related.

Please keep me advised of your thoughts
--
Kelvin White
16 Brogden Close
North Hinksey
Oxford OX2 9DS
England

Tel 01865 249897
Group: S-Trains Message: 243 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: Re: Modern Prototype 'S'cale Modellers Group
kelvin:
I agree with Kelvin on the division of the modern and proto 64 and I'm
interested in both. I have written Bailey asking for the membership list
he had. when I hear back from I will let you know.
Meanwhile is anyone interested in shepherding proto 64. I'm not that
knowledgeable about it. There's two guys on the 'Net who are -- Jeff
English in Freight Cars and Ron Sabestian. I doubt he's on this list or
he might have spoken up earlier. I will try to contact them and see
what's happening there.
cheers
--
Alex Binkley,
Hammond, Ontario, Canada
Group: S-Trains Message: 244 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: New Server location for S-Trains
Please visit S-Trains and help me find the bugs.
Some of the links will send you back to gate.net server so pay attention
to the URL location.
Please let me know where any problems show up.
The new URL will be http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/
We 'out grew' our old location.

--
Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl.
American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers
http://www.gate.net/~yorke (alt e-mail paulyork@...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 245 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: Re: Airchime vibrators
<<<The vibrators are a variation of what used to be used in 6 volt power

supplies for car radios in the 1950's. More authoritive sound can be had by a

careful hand selection of a vintage sample, but this is a trial process.

Those that are handy (and harty) can atttempt to cut and old can vibrator open

and play with the gap adjustment.



Hope that this is not too discouraging. I have acquired some vibrators that

do result in a decent sound, given the limitations of the beast.>>>


BTW, we have been pretty successful at repairing vibrators that don't work.
Last month, I tested 35 vibrators which I had on hand. Of the 35, 33 failed to
work properly..........either no sound, poor sound, or they slowed the engine
when operated. Of the 33 bad ones, we successfully repaired 31 of them!
Cost for such repair: $10 each, plus $2 return shipping.........So don't throw
them out when they don't work!
Doug
Doug Peck 978-465-8798 (Phone or Fax)
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
Port Lines @ aol.com http://trainweb.com/crocon/portlines.html
Group: S-Trains Message: 246 From: Alex Binkley Date: 10/29/1998
Subject: proto64
Hi gang:
Good news. Keith Thompson has offered to take on shepherding a proto 64
group. A bit of time back, Richard Snook said he had some info a proto
64 as well. Richard, if I'm right, could you communicate with Keith
about this.
Also Paul Yorke said he could set up a spot or something for us. could
you check that out? thanks.
also for modern prototype, let's hold till we hear from Richard Bailey.
I think we should just keep it and proto 64 as informal discussion
groups until we hear from him and see how many we are.
Besides Keith and I, there is Hilary Smith, Arthur Armstrong, Kelvin
White who are interested in one or the other or both. there's a couple
of others but I don't have the names right now. bloody useless memory.
However if there's anyone on the list who's interested in proto 64,
contact Keith directly. If modern, let me know.
Meanwhile for all your Flyer guys, we want stick with S trains and we
don't want you to feel excluded. I for one don't always know what you're
talking about but we as Red Greene, says we're all in this together.
cheers

--
Alex Binkley,
Hammond, Ontario, Canada
Group: S-Trains Message: 247 From: Paul Yorke Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: Grade
I tried several grades before I ended up with this one. It takes me
about 13 feet of track to rise 4.5 inches.
That is (4.5inchs/(13feet*12inches))/100[percent] or (4.5/156)/100 or
2.88% . Any steeper that that and you will be limited to very short
trains or only using pullmore wheels.

--
Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl.
American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers
http://www.gate.net/~yorke (alt e-mail paulyork@...)
Group: S-Trains Message: 248 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: Railsound B-unit chassis match
Does anyone know if you can put a 471 shell on 4811X/2X chassis? Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 249 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: choo choo build up
I'm refurbishing a multi-cast type II 302. So far so good, its running and
looking good again. But I've noticed that after running it awhile the
choo-choo piston (carbon graphite) rubs off at spots inside the cylinder,
eventually creating a build up on the cylinder walls. This in turn creates
drag on the motor at different phases of each stroke. When I first opened
the unit I thought someone had used heavy automotive axle grease on the
choo-choo unit (silly), but it must have been this build up. I've tried
cleaning and lightly sanding (1000 grit) the cylinder walls, lightly
sanding the piston, checking the alignment of the bell crank, and putting
some powdered graphite lubricant in there, but sure enough after 10-20 laps
the build up start to show up again. Does anyone have any experience in
this? Remedies? Thanks.
Group: S-Trains Message: 250 From: David Dewey Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: Re: choo choo build up
David,
Hmm, This is a new one. Maybe you have a faulty piston?? If you've
polished the wear area w/1000 grit paper, and it's not rough, it shouldn't
give any problems. The graphite/carbon piston should be self-lubricating. I
have seen where graphite can pick up moisture in the air and make things
gummy (on player piano slide valves) maybe this is your problem?? Try
cleaning everything with tuner cleaner or go to an auto store and get some
BrakeKleen or ElectriKleen--but be very careful w/ the stuff, it will mess
up paint, some plastics, and definately Gilbert lettering/numbering! Anyway,
clean the smoke unit piston and piston chamber with it until they're
'squeeky clean' and give it another go. If that doesn't do it, I'd change
the piston first. (OK, probably a 50/50 chance of which componant to change
first!<G>)
Let us know what develops!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 251 From: Dennis Back Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: 742 Reversing handcar problem
Well I found my reversing handcar. But....it only works in one
direction. Doug Peck was nice enough to check one of his and
confirmed that the AF manual wiring for this is wrong, which I kinda
knew. My wiring is the way Doug says it's supposed to be.

I tried switching the wires to the brushes and it does then run in the
opposite direction (having left the switch in the same position as
before). This leads me to believe that the problem is in the (very
crude) Flyer switch.

As I said...it runs in one direction, but then when I slide the
switch...the armature is energized, but feels frozen...and doesn't
want to go either way...it growls when I try to prod it either way.

I don't want to mess up the switch any more than it is. Any ideas
folks?

Thanks,
Dennis Back
Miami, Fl.
Group: S-Trains Message: 252 From: Ken Zieska Date: 10/30/1998
Subject: Friday Report
Well guys, thanks for all the feedback on the my monitor challenge.
Marilyn has enjoyed them and now realizes that all of my S train friends
are a bit "off track" and it is not just the Pines and Prairies S Scale
Workshop gang.
I am interested in the proto 64 discussion so put me on the list and I
will lurk around and add what ever I can.
Thanks again and keep those S trains running.
Ken Z.
Group: S-Trains Message: 253 From: alice beachy Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: 471 Shell
About the question of railsounds in a 471 shell. A few years ago I took
a 470 shell and put it on a Lionel power chassis. It fit fine and runs
great. So I took a 471 shell and put it on a railsounds chassis. It
also worked well but I began to feel a railsounds 50's era B unit was a
little much, so I substituted a Lionel electronic horn B chassis. I
liked that better and it also works great. If you are a collector this
is obviously not for you. But if you like to operate at shows as I do,
this is great. As was stated earlier this week the Gilbert Air Chime
Whistles left much to be desired. But with the technology of today we
have not only railsounds but electronic horns, the great steam sound in
the AM pacific, and soon to come diesel sounds in the SHS F-3. Wayne
Beachy
Group: S-Trains Message: 254 From: LEAHY RUTH A Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: Choo-Choo Unit
I am considering buying a "283" Pacific, but the choo-choo unit does not
appear to work. Visually I do not see a problem. Is there something I
should be looking for here, since I have never encountered this before?
Any advise would be appreciated on how to repair this problem.

Mike Leahy
Group: S-Trains Message: 255 From: David Dewey Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: Re: Choo-Choo Unit
Mike,
Non-functioning smoke units are common. Sometimes it's a simple
solution: Spray some WD-40 down the stack, let it soak a bit, then 'turn up
the power' and see if it will start smoking. This works if the problem is
gelled smoke fluid plugging the wick. If this doesn't work, then it's
possible the heater unit is bad or the wick has burned or broken or you may
only have a spider nest in the choo choo unit. This requires dismantling the
loco, unsoldering the wires to the smoke unit and measuring the resistance
(35-45 Ohms is within fac. specs.) If this measures OK, try the spray method
again (Different people try different fluids, you want a solvent that will
'cut' the smoke fluid, but won't start a fire!) Also check to see if you can
blow air through the unit, sometimes a spider will build a nest at the
Choo-Choo chamber opening. If none of these work, then it's time to replace
the wick and heater, not an expensive job, but one that requires care (and
in my situation, a pair of magnifiers!)
Hmm, OK, I'll try to give a description of the operation, if I forget
anything someone else on the list will point it out!
First, I like to remove all the solder on the smoke unit wiring lugs
(this is true for both versions, BTW, these instructions are for the SIB
versions) The heater wire will not solder, it is just wrapped around the
lugs, and you will be able to see that with the solder removed. Unwrap the
wires so they are free from the lugs, you may now unscrew the top and lift
it off without disturbing the 'guts'. There are two versions of this smoke
unit; by this point in time, either can be found in any loco, if they have
ever been repaired or replaced. One version has a separate bottom piece
(which usually leaks!) and the heater is crosswise to the wheels (we'll call
this one A); the other version has a cast bottom and the heater is parallel
with the wheels (we'll call this one B). In either version, the heater is
insulated from the unit body with a cardboard liner, which can be fragile!
Now that the top is off, inspect the unit to see what happened. (If you had
no Ohm reading, obviously the wire is broken somewhere, if you had a
reading, it's likely the wick will be burnt). Also look for a little white
spider nest in the chamber between the choo choo sound plate and the body.
If you had a good ohm reading, and the wick isn't burnt, but you find the
nest, you can probably reassemble the unit (well, ya gotta get rid of the
nest first!)!
On the B version, all the guts will just lift out, with care. On the A
type, it's best to remove the bottom cover, pry out the wick, and cut it off
where it goes through the casting to the top chamber, you can then carefully
lift out the heater from the top. On the A type, the cardboard may stay
inside the body, that's fine, just leave it there!
On both versions, blow through the piston area to see if you get 'choo'
(you'll have to use your finger as a 'cover' for the little choo-choo
chamber) and that the small hole into the chamber is clear. The cardboard on
the A type can sometimes shift and cover the hole. Clean out the unit, you
may want to lightly sand the sealing surface by placing it against a flat
surface with some fine (600 grit or finer) sandpaper (Auto paint stores have
this to 2000 grit) but this is only if you find it corroded.
The new wick/heater must be handled carefully, you don't want any of the
heater wire crossing over itself, or it will burn out quickly, if not
immediately! If you are working on a type A unit, you will want the wick
ends to be stiff, some come with a 'glue' already on them. This is so you
can start them through the tiny holes in the bottom of the heater chamber!
If your wick isn't glued on the ends, you can do this yourself with some
white glue (maybe gel type super glue, I haven't tried it--but you don't
want the glue traveling up the wick!) or, with patience, I have just twirled
the ends in my mouth like a painter setting his brush--if you can get the
wick to come to a point so you can guide it through the hole, that's all you
need.
OK, A type repair: Wick is started through both holes, carefully pull
both sides through until the heater element is centered in the chamber area.
You don't want it against the bottom, nor near the top, either spot will
cause failure; one burns the cardboard, the other burns the lid! (That's
what makes that bulge in the cover seen on some units.) Ideally it is just
in the air stream from the piston chamber. Use a magnifier and check that no
wires are crossed! Cut off the glued area of the ends and coil the wick in
the bottom chamber, it will fill it! Here's where I 'cheat' a bit; I use a
very small amount of 'gasket in a can' to seal the bottom chamber, as I
can't seem to get the factory gaskets to not leak! A leaky unit will oil
your rails, but it's not the right kind of oil!! See Roger Hinds for the
rail oil--disclaimer, I have no economic interest in this 'plug'!<G>. Back
to the repair:
B type: cut your old wick and remove it from the cardboard chamber, thread
the new wick through the holes, and as in the A type, center the wick so it
isn't too high or too low. Coil the wick ends in the unit and check to see
that there is room for the cardboard chamber to fit, and for air to pass
through the chamber, you may have to cut off some of the wick to do this.
Again, look for crossed wires.
Both: Now you can fit the cover on, I like to add some smoke fluid at this
time, to 'prime' the wick. Feed the wires through the lug holes, check that
nothing changed while placing the cover on (This is sort of like looking to
see if the refrigerator light goes out!). Tighten the screws (you may use a
little gasket stuff here too, if you're game). Check the coil Ohm reading,
if it's OK, then wrap the wires around the lugs, resolder and test.
If you did everything right, you will have a smoke unit that now will
chase everyone out of the room!
Trust me; the job becomes easier with practice!
S'incerely,
David Dewey
Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the
future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."
Group: S-Trains Message: 256 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: Vehicles
Eureka, sort of,
You may recall my huge disappointment
when I reported that the Mint Editions
'56 Ford PU is larger than the other ME
pickups, and just TOO large to pass for
S scale.

This week, I found a MATCHBOX '56
Ford PU with excellent detail (except
for the usual crummy wheels - CD
models, hear that?). And as near as
I can tell, this PU is dead on 1:64th.
The inside length of the PU bed is 6',
the width of the cab across the front
fenders is 6', and it stands about
6' high. All the right numbers for 1:64.
Also, these numbers match the size
of my 1:24th scale '56 Ford,

Now, I can find a new home for all those
undersizel Hot Wheels '56 Ford PU's
I bought a few years ago (the ones with
the motor bikes in the back - so I can
still make use of the bikes).

The downside of this is that the Matchbox
truck is a bit smaller than most of the other
ME 40's - 50's pickups. The '50 CHEV
is an exception; it appears to be right on,
but the Fords all seem oversize, PU
beds are 7' rather than 6' long.
Can anybody find a prototype
to verify these dimensions?
The height also? I'll report any
dimensions that I find.

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 257 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: P:64
Well guys, I think I have read all the notes about
Proto:64 and/or modern modeling, and I am confused.

Does the discussion of starting a SIG(s) mean that
people think those topics can't be discussed on
S-Trains? I would certainly hope that they ARE
discussed here. They are part of S modeling.

It would be nice to know who all has common
interests, for example I am not terribly interested
in modern modeling, but I am interested in
maximizing the accuracy of my work; both in
fidelity to scale, and fidelity to prototype, with a
bit of freelance thrown in (the MHRR won't be
abandoned).

So the offer of website space for posting standards
and parts availability
info is a great idea, but I'm not in favor of taking
our discussion off-line from S Trains, unless we
become so overwhelming in content that there
is need to have a separate e-mail forum.

AND if I misunderstood, I'll take that as good news.

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 258 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: Farm Eqpt
Need some low cost farm implements
for a farm scene, flat car load, or
tractor dealer?
You don't need to pay ERTL prices.

I have found some private label stuff;
At Eckerd Drug it is Redbox Dynacast;
At a local liquidator, it is Motormax;
same stuff though; $1-2 each.
Tractors ave VERY generic, but the
implements look good.
I have a hay conditioner and LNG
tank. Photos on packaging also show
sileage wagon, corn chopper, disk,
and grain wagon.

A good non-farm use for the LNG tank
wagon is to take the tank off and use
it for an LPG tank at a business.

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
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Group: S-Trains Message: 259 From: Donald P. Abrams Date: 10/31/1998
Subject: Re: Choo-Choo
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML>
I'll second David's suggestions on the "sticky" choo-choo. Make sure the
cylinder is clean 7 smooth. Clean the cylinder and piston with alcohol.
<BR><B><U>NEVER </U></B> lubricate the cylinder/piston. Make sure
the pinion on the spur gear and the connecting rod (where it attaches to
the gear) are lubricated (I use Hob-E-Lube gear oil). I have seen pistons
get so worn that they bind in the cylinder. A lot of play between the cylinder
and piston isn't good. Time for a new piston, it's the softest of the two
parts unless you have one with a metal piston.
<BR>Remove the motor armature and turn things by hand to check for binds.
Probably lubrication created a problem and the piston is now undersized.
Make sure the hole in the end or the cylinder isn't blocked -- the air
has to excape!
<P>Don</HTML>
Group: S-Trains Message: 260 From: Tom Rolfsmeyer Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: What is a Triple crown TTUX?
Gentlemen would you be so kind as to educated a fairly new person to the
S guage world about the 48511 Triple crown TTUX manufactured by Lionel.
I don't have a reference book for Lionel manufactured AF. If one exist I
would be willing to purchase one. Does any one know of such a book or
catalog?

Thanks


Tom Rolfsmeyer

PS I really enjoy the onelist and check through it every day. It has
been a source of information and enlightenment about My new S guage
hobby.
Group: S-Trains Message: 261 From: PatnDave Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: MPSM SIG
After reading the comments made here on this list concerning the MPSM SIG
and on Proto:64, I think it's time I speak on my behalf. I must admit to
being rather surprised but then, I suppose I shouldn't be either. It's much
easier to communicate this way than by pen and paper. After all, it takes
too much time to write and so much of the essence is lost during the time
it takes for the snail mail. And it's very expensive while this is free.
When I was doing the newsletter Cab Signals, I often wondered if anybody
was actually reading it. I'd rarely receive any response from anyone except
from the usual one or two friends that were made and yet never actually got
to meet. It appeared certain that my time and efforts were being wasted and
in most ways, it was. Getting news and information is nearly impossible and
what I did manage to get product wise, was merely redundant to any railroad
modeling magazine and they of coarse have the better connections, so why
bother.
Then there was the article on Proto:64 by Randy Wilson. It was in response
to several questions asking what it was. Wow, did I get response on that
one! All negative, but reaction just the same. It seemed to cause fear and
panic rather than interest. Fear that someone was about to change the
standards on us...again! And it would be all my fault! A very
misunderstood subject! I wish Proto scale modeling were my idea, I'd be
proud of it!
Anyway, during this obvious declining interest, other events of a personal
nature were also taking place further effecting my view point. So, after
all this time and only one letter of interest as to the position of the
MPSM SIG, I thought it best to step down and take a back seat. Hopefully
someone else might do better or I'll have no alternative but to contact the
NMRA and have the SIG terminated, if they haven't already done so by now.
This is not to say I'm totally out of the hobby but from my comfy hiback
chair, I'd still like to follow what's going on.
Dave Bailey...Still and always will be a Modern PROTO:64 type 'S'cale
Person.
Group: S-Trains Message: 262 From: David Dewey Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: What is a Triple crown TTUX?
Tom,
First, the Greenberg's pocket guide for S or AF now lists Lionel
production, SHS & AM too.
The Tripple Crown TTUX is an 0-27 car with flyer trucks under it. It
takes more side clearance and tends to be tipy. (OK, this is IMHO and based
on my friend Mike's experience). While the club that first had them produced
has made much noise about them being "only a *little* bit off--1/8" here,
1/4" there, in S that's a LOT! I'm not certain, but I suspect the trailers
on these cars are also oversized. I know they make the rest of the AF stuff
look tiny.
Scale sized TTUX cars are available from AM.
I'm a little in the dark on this stuff, as I stick to the '40s-'50s era,
but I used to work for a company that rebuilt the real ones, as they had
some sort of design flaw (I was in the other side of the shop, couldn't tell
you what it was, required a lot of them coming in for the retro-fit.)
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 263 From: PortLines@xxx.xxx Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: Smoke units
Repairing smoke units is one of the "Repair Clinics" found on our website.
Hope it helps! We welcome topics for additional "clinics".
Doug Peck 978-465-8798 (Phone or Fax)
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Group: S-Trains Message: 264 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: Vehicles
Hi All,

I've posted a picture of a repainted and re-wheeled Matchbox 1956 Ford at
http://www.wolfenet.com/~kthompso/MB56Ford.jpg. At first I thought this
truck was too small assuming the propaganda on the Mint Edition '53 ford
was correct and it was 1:64th scale. However, now I agree with Ted and I'm
convinced the Matchbox truck is closer to scale. It's cheaper too! The only
bad thing about the MB Ford is that you have to cannibalize a ME '65 Ford
for the wheels. Keith Thompson in Seattle.

At 01:02 PM 10/31/98 EST, mhrreast@... wrote:
>From: mhrreast@...
>
>
>Eureka, sort of,
>You may recall my huge disappointment
>when I reported that the Mint Editions
>'56 Ford PU is larger than the other ME
>pickups, and just TOO large to pass for
>S scale.
>
>This week, I found a MATCHBOX '56
>Ford PU with excellent detail (except
>for the usual crummy wheels - CD
>models, hear that?). And as near as
>I can tell, this PU is dead on 1:64th.
>The inside length of the PU bed is 6',
>the width of the cab across the front
>fenders is 6', and it stands about
>6' high. All the right numbers for 1:64.
>Also, these numbers match the size
>of my 1:24th scale '56 Ford,
>
>Now, I can find a new home for all those
>undersizel Hot Wheels '56 Ford PU's
>I bought a few years ago (the ones with
>the motor bikes in the back - so I can
>still make use of the bikes).
>
>The downside of this is that the Matchbox
>truck is a bit smaller than most of the other
>ME 40's - 50's pickups. The '50 CHEV
>is an exception; it appears to be right on,
>but the Fords all seem oversize, PU
>beds are 7' rather than 6' long.
>Can anybody find a prototype
>to verify these dimensions?
>The height also? I'll report any
>dimensions that I find.
>
>Ted Larson mhrreast@...
>http://www.kodak.com/US/en/government/nasaPhotos.shtm
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 265 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: p64 and modern groups
Ted Larson wondered whether we would take the Proto 64 and modern
discussion off S-Trains. Not as far as I know. Paul Yorke has offered to
create separate discussions boards but I would we would to keep S-Trains
up to date on anything we do.
cheers
--
Alex Binkley,
Hammond, Ontario, Canada
Group: S-Trains Message: 266 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: '56 Ford Tires
Keith talks about cannibalizing another vehicle for
decent tires and wheels. Has anybody tried the
cast replacement tire/wheel sets that used to
be available through Steam Depot (perhaps these
are the ones from the manufacturer in New
Zealand?).

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
http://www.kodak.com/

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Group: S-Trains Message: 267 From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Trucks
We Love Our Toys is a toy catalog put
our by Surplus Tractor Parts Corp.
1-888-toyworld
www.toyworldcatalog.com

It has a variety of S scale trucks, tractors,
construction equipment,
race cars, including some MODERN semis;
auto carrier, van, Sea Land container,
grain, Exxon tank.

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
http://www.kodak.com/

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Group: S-Trains Message: 268 From: Paul Yorke Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: More new Stuff
I added some new stuff to my new site.
Visit http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/links/features.htm to see what..
Here is a hint TTUX vs TOF, David Dewey 'blowing smoke', and Signal
bridge phase one.

Enjoy

--
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American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers
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Group: S-Trains Message: 269 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: trucks
Hi all

These sound like some "Road Haulers" I grabbed some a few years back; the Prime movers are fairly decent, the car transporter is quite well done actually ,the tanker could use a repaint( they all can obviously) and some decent decals,and the Race Hauler needs new doors, then its a reasonable Van. As usual I picked up a few at a general merchandise close-out house and by the time the next pay check came they had all gone.Mine were made in China ( isn't everyhting) Of note the wheelsets on mine are pretty good, i.e. they dont look "hot wheels" like. The cars off the transporter make good junk yard stuff!!

cheers

:-)) Richard
Group: S-Trains Message: 270 From: Richard Snook Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: Trucks
sure sounds like they are indedd different, as the tractors on mine are not COE but look like Kennies(badge is a bit small and indecipherable), but could be anything Atkinson,White who knows some sort of generic incarnation!! Good to see there are even more usable trucks out there and cheap, its expensive enough putting trains on tracks let alone trucks on roads( and there is more of them!!) Did the ones your mentioning have cloured plastic lenses representing tail-lights??

cheers

:-)) Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: mhrreast@... [SMTP:mhrreast@...]
Sent: Monday, November 02, 1998 11:39 AM
To: richard.snook@...
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trucks


On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:56:19 +1000 Richard Snook
<richard.snook@...> writes:
>Hi al
>
>These sound like some "Road Haulers" I grabbed some a few years back;
>the Prime movers are fairly decent, the car transporter is quite well
>done actually ,the tanker could use a repaint( they all can obviously)
>and some decent decals,and the Race Hauler needs new doors, then its a

These are listed as made by YATMING. The Road Hauler name is not
mentioned. There is not a race hauler shown.

>reasonable Van. As usual I picked up a few at a general merchandise
>close-out house and by the time the next pay check came they had all
>gone.Mine were made in China ( isn't everyhting) Of note the wheelsets
>on mine are pretty good, i.e. they dont look "hot wheels" like. The
>cars off the transporter make good junk yard stuff!!

The transporter has no vehicles with it.
Sooooooooooooo, I'm not sure if these are the same as what you
found, or something different.
The cabs are all COE or conventional Kenworths.
>
>cheers
>
>:-)) Richard
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mhrreast@... [SMTP:mhrreast@...]
>Sent: Monday, November 02, 1998 10:08 AM
>To: S-Trains@onelist.com
>Subject: [S-Trains] Trucks
>
>From: mhrreast@...
>
>
>We Love Our Toys is a toy catalog put
>our by Surplus Tractor Parts Corp.
>1-888-toyworld
>www.toyworldcatalog.com
>
>It has a variety of S scale trucks, tractors,
>construction equipment,
>race cars, including some MODERN semis;
>auto carrier, van, Sea Land container,=20
>grain, Exxon tank.

Ted Larson mhrreast@...
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/space/photoSpace.shtml
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/space/todayPictures.shtml

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Group: S-Trains Message: 271 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Re: '56 Ford Tires
Hi Ted,

I've got the tire/wheel casting from RailMaster and they're notthe ones
from Steam Depot. The RailMaster wheels/tires are more like you'd find on a
WWII Jeep. -- Keith Thompson in Seattle

At 06:56 PM 11/1/98 EST, mhrreast@... wrote:
>From: mhrreast@...
>
>
>Keith talks about cannibalizing another vehicle for
>decent tires and wheels. Has anybody tried the
>cast replacement tire/wheel sets that used to
>be available through Steam Depot (perhaps these
>are the ones from the manufacturer in New
>Zealand?).
>
>Ted Larson mhrreast@...
>http://www.kodak.com/
>
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Group: S-Trains Message: 272 From: Keith Thompson Date: 11/1/1998
Subject: Fifties Ford F-100 Facts
Hi Gang,

Recently we've been kibitzing on the size of '50s era Ford trucks. I though
I'd share the dimensional data published on the breed in Robert Ackerson's
"Ford F100/F150 Pickup," book. Here goes by model era and style:

Pre-1953 F-1
Overall length, 188.78"
Wheelbase, 114"
Overall height, 75.64"
Overall width, 75.94"
Front tread, 58.08"
Rear tread, 60.0"
Cargo Capacity, 45 cuft.
Exterior box length, 6.5'
Load Length, 78.06"
Load Width 49"
Load Height 20.35"

1953-1956 F-100
Overall length, 189.12"
Wheelbase, 110"
Overall height, 75.3"
Overall width, 71.3"
Front tread, 60.58"
Rear tread, 60.0"
Cargo Capacity, 45 cuft.
Exterior box length, 6.5'
Load Length, 77.9"
Load Width 49"
Load Height 20.3"

1957-1960 F-100 Flareside 6.5' Bed
Wheelbase, 110"
Box Length, 78"
Box Width 49"
Box Height 20.3" (to top of sides)
Box Height 17.6" (to top of tailgate)
Cargo Capacity, 45 cuft.

1957-1960 F-100 Flareside 8' Bed
Wheelbase, 118"
Box Length, 96"
Box Width 54"
Box Height 22.1" (to top of sides)
Box Height 19.4" (to top of tailgate)
Cargo Capacity, 65.4 cuft.

1957-1960 F-100 Styleside 6.5' Bed
Wheelbase, 110"
Box Length, 76.44"
Box Width 73.2"
Width between wheel housings, 49"
Box Height 19.09" (to top of sides)
Cargo Capacity, 56.05 cuft.

1957-1960 F-100 Styleside 8' Bed
Wheelbase, 118"
Box Length, 94.44"
Box Width 73.2"
Width between wheel housings, 49"
Box Height 19.09" (to top of sides)
Cargo Capacity, 70.55 cuft.


Keith Thompson in Seattle
Group: S-Trains Message: 273 From: Alex Binkley Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Modern S
Hi Dave:
I don't know if you saw all of the notes during the last week or so
about modern and proto S. Anyway there is interest amongst those on
S-Trains in both and I have written you for the mailing list etc for the
group. We are going to carry on two subsets of S-trains covering proto 64
and modern prototype. we'd be glad to have you involved in both.
keith.thompson@... is handling proto 64 and I'm doing the modern
stuff. there's a number of earlier era guys who are also interested in
proto 64.
perhaps using the net will make it easier as we can exchange info and
ideas quickly rather than being locked into producing a newsletter.
except what to do about those who are not on-line.
cheers
--
Alex Binkley,
Hammond, Ontario, Canada
Group: S-Trains Message: 274 From: Bill & Diane Wade Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Re: MPSM / P:64 SIGs
There are several challenges with a SIG. One is finding the members.
Another is that someone must maintain an address database. And then
there is the printing and mailing efforts and costs. The web page is an
excellent tool, as is this mailing list, for SIG info distribution, but
then not every modeler is online.

Please remember that we publish a SCALE magazine dedicated to S that
goes out to over 1,000 folks every other month.

If someone is willing to write and dig up some photos, we are willing to
dedicated space to a Modern and a P:64 modeling column in each issue.
This could be a forum for exchanging ideas, promoting the concepts, and
educating those who may not be aware of the issues.

Who wants to be the first with a by-line?

Take care,
Bill
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Group: S-Trains Message: 275 From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: choo-choo build up
After disassembling and cleaning the cylinder and piston again, this time
with tape head cleaner (isopropynol type, safe for plastics), it looks as
though the problem of heavy gummy piston deposits is over. The only thing
I can chalk the original problem up to would be either someone did at one
time lube the piston, or since this engine is especially smoky perhaps
after years of use it "smoked its own smoke" enough to have created some
build up in the cylinder. Thanks to all for your responses and pointers.
Group: S-Trains Message: 276 From: David Dewey Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Re: choo-choo build up
David H.
Thanks for letting us know 'the cure' Might be a good idea to add this
info to the smoke unit repair FAQ!
S'
David D.
Group: S-Trains Message: 277 From: jbs@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Parts Needed
I am looking for several items for repairing two of my older engines.

Plastic air horns for a 470
Rear truck wheels for a 283

Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions .

John Stephenson
Group: S-Trains Message: 278 From: Arthur Armstrong Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Re: MPSM / P:64 SIGs
Bill & Diane Wade wrote:
>
> If someone is willing to write and dig up some photos, we are willing to
> dedicated space to a Modern and a P:64 modeling column in each issue.
> This could be a forum for exchanging ideas, promoting the concepts, and
> educating those who may not be aware of the issues.
>
This sounds like a good solution to me - it will reach all those already
interested in S scale, provides hard copy for permanence and reference,
and doesn't ignore those not on the net.

The problem is finding anyone with knowledge of P:64 history and issues.

I know there have been people interested in this before I came along -
please contribute something to Bill so we can all get together.

Art Armstrong
aarmstro@...
Group: S-Trains Message: 279 From: kelvin white Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: MPSM - Born again.
In message <909998728.12520@onelist.com>, S-Trains@onelist.com writes
>Message: 2


>
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:47:53 -0500
> From: "PatnDave" <patndave@...>
>Subject: MPSM SIG
Hi Dave
Its good to hear from you, and to know that you havn't sunk without
trace - there are occasions when personal circumstances, burnout,
disillusion, mean that you have to take a back seat. I've been there
myself, there is no shame in saying enough for now. Look back on what
you achieved and take a well earned round of applause.

If I may comment on some aspects of your note:

>After reading the comments made here on this list concerning the MPSM SIG
>and on Proto:64, I think it's time I speak on my behalf. I must admit to
>being rather surprised but then,
....
>When I was doing the newsletter Cab Signals, I often wondered if anybody
>was actually reading it.
.... Yes I read it and enjoyed, and several leads and letters to authors
resulted as a consequence of the MPSM NL.
>I'd rarely receive any response from anyone except
>from the usual one or two friends that were made and yet never actually got
>to meet. It appeared certain that my time and efforts were being wasted and
>in most ways, it was.
I'm sorry that you came to this conclusion - having edited (and wrote
most of) several similar style newsletters, I know what you mean and how
you feel.

>Getting news and information is nearly impossible and
>what I did manage to get product wise, was merely redundant to any railroad
>modeling magazine and they of coarse have the better connections, so why
>bother.

However without a SIG creating interest and presurising - It is case of
relying on the internal motivation of the manufacturers.

>Anyway, during this obvious declining interest, other events of a personal
>nature were also taking place further effecting my view point. So, after
>all this time and only one letter of interest as to the position of the
>MPSM SIG, I thought it best to step down and take a back seat.

> Hopefully
>someone else might do better or I'll have no alternative but to contact the
>NMRA and have the SIG terminated, if they haven't already done so by now.
>This is not to say I'm totally out of the hobby but from my comfy hiback
>chair, I'd still like to follow what's going on.

I believe Alex has already written to you for the membership list, I
will be fully supportive on bringing new life into MPSM and a P64 group,
Paul Yorke is supportive - the future is bright - there is a need to
decide whether the group is Email only or returns to the paper world as
well, those discussions will come.

In the meanwhile enjoy your comfy chair, and we hope to see you back in
the full of the hobby, as and when you are ready to be.

With Best Regards
>.
--
Kelvin White
Oxford England
Group: S-Trains Message: 280 From: Mark Preman Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: November List-American Flyer Trains For Sale
Dear S-Folks,
For those of you that still like to "dabble" in
vintage Gilbert stock, the November "For Sale" list
has been posted for your reading (and ordering)
enjoyment. This list has a number of boxed sets for
you collector guys.

At our house, the train platform is brought out from
its hiding place for cleaning and testing and
potential additions on Thanksgiving weekend.

The list is resident at:
http://members.tripod.com/~amerflyer

Mark B. Preman
Group: S-Trains Message: 281 From: Neimanis,V. [NCR] Date: 11/2/1998
Subject: Re: S-Trains - Grades
I too have found that AF was not really designed for climbing grades. I can
confirm that it takes 13 feet to rise 4.5 inches and that the engines prefer
a straight climb that means 26 feet for an up and down! Not many of us have
places where layouts can accommodate that.

Do those who use grades have any special techniques to shorten these massive
distances?

V. Neimanis
Ottawa, Canada
v.neimanis@...


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